November 5, 2007
Ohio State, LSU, Oregon, Kansas, and Oklahoma are/are not playing for the BCS Championship
There's an awful lot of conjecture out on the web about the fate of the four teams currently vying for the second spot in the BCS Championship.
Grain of salt alert: Nothing that has happened so far this season should give anyone any confidence to forecast which teams may/may not win out. However, for the sake of argument... let's presume that everyone wins out.
Brad Edwards, the BCS analyst for ESPN, says that LSU is a solid #2 today, but Kansas is lurking and could jump both the Tigers and Oregon.
Sunday Morning Quarterback says winning out might not be enough for LSU.
Still, LSU’s position is precarious. Kansas trails by a little less than a full tenth of a point, which is less than it picked up this week alone from leaping Oklahoma and plummeting B.C. and Arizona State. Given the Jayhawks’ remaining schedule, and Oklahoma, the gap on LSU and Oregon is hardly insurmountable...
As a matter of fact, LSU could win the next two weeks and still find itself fourth by mid-November if Oregon and Kansas are impressive enough against slightly tougher competition. This is purely speculating based on the value of beating UCLA and Oklahoma State, respectively, which is better than the value of beating Ole Miss, but a full tenth of a point better? That’s up to the algorithms and which ones stay in the end and which ones go
I agree with SMQ that the Tigers might find themselves in fourth by the end of the season. Oregon and Kansas (and Oklahoma, for that matter) have more difficult games and you have to presume that they will be rewarded in the polls/'puters for those wins - above and beyond what LSU may accomplish.
But - and this is a big but - there is still the little matter of the conference championship games. LSU, Oklahoma, and Kansas all have conference title games to play. Oregon does not.
So, while it is realistic to expect Oregon (and maybe Kansas?) to jump past LSU in the BCS standings, it's also within reason to expect that LSU/Oklahoma/Kansas would leapfrog Oregon on the strength of the conference championship game. The Jayhawks and Sooners are racing towards a playoff in the Big 12 championship that would give a big boost to the winner, while LSU is likely to get a shot to make its case by throttling Tennessee in the SEC title game.
Oregon certainly knows first-hand that the BCS is a fickle betty and they need to win with some beauty points to stay ahead of the eventual Big XII or SEC champion.
Ironically, the one team with the weakest position in the BCS might be a one-loss Ohio State. While a loss to Michigan (or Illinois) would make OSU one of the pack of one-loss teams, it certainly wouldn't give Ohio State any lift in the wake of wins by LSU, Kansas, Oregon, and Oklahoma.
Instead, a Buckeyes loss sets the table for some permutation of a Kansas/LSU/Oregon/Oklahoma game for the national championship. The only question would be sorting out the one-loss teams (like we haven't heard that story before).
Long story short... everyone is locked into a tight race and every game is a big game at this point.
Comments:
posted on November 5, 2007 11:37 AM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?War Eagle Atlanta
said:
I'm still thinking this thing will sort itself out before it's over. If Kansas can beat Missouri, then beat Oklahoma in the B12 championship game, then I'd say they belong. Lose either one and it's midnight for the Jayhawks.
I just went and looked at Kansas' remaining schedule. Has anyone else noticed how many points these guys are scoring each week? Jeez...
TE
posted on November 5, 2007 11:44 AM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
My BP's not up, at all...
First and foremost, we have two tough games left on our schedule in Arkansucks & the SECCG. Unfortunately for LSU, we didn't take care of business in Lexington, so, we are left to the whims of a computer to decide our fate.
We have no one but ourselves to blame. Period.
Having said that, I don't think Kansas wins out. Oklahoma may get the bump over us by beating them, but I think they'll throttle them.
Lots of teams look good against weak competition. But, the cream will rise to the top, and the Fighting Morbid Obesity Magino's will end up in a good bowl, and with some respect...But, they're pretenders to the throne.
Oregon would get trounced in a national title game matchup with LSU, much as tOSU would...The only two shots either of them have is if LSU gets sorted out by its own ineptitude in Bluegrass Land...
Lennie Collins
posted on November 5, 2007 12:57 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
As an Oklahoma Sooners fan I would like Oklahoma to face Missouri again for the Big 12 Championship. Why? Because if Missouri beats Kansas it will put team ahead of Oklahoma and if Oklahoma can beat them in the Big 12 Title Game that will look more impressive than Louisiana State beating a two loss SEC West opponent for the SEC Title. Hey Ohio State and Michigan is looking out to be a good game for the Big 11 Title.
Brushpile Bill said:
posted on November 5, 2007 1:02 PM — 70.138.228.38 — link — abuse?
And if Mizzou beats KU and OU that's two top 10 wins and an 12-1 record, which deserves some consideration too. They probably would need one more team to slip up between here and the finish line, but stranger things have happened this year.
FromVT said:
posted on November 5, 2007 1:10 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
#8 Unfortunately there will be at least 4 teams deserving a shot at the championship game.
Ohio St (expecting them to beat Mich)
LSU (expecting them to win out)
Oregon (expecting them to win out)
Big-12 ChampionAll of the one loss teams (or undefeated Kansas) will have played at least 2 TOP-10 teams. Any of those one-loss teams would be deserving of going. It would actually be better for Ohio St had they played a tougher schedule, that way if they do end up making the Championship game they would be more prepared.
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 5, 2007 1:10 PM — 75.120.246.143 — link — abuse?
If LSU wants to claim that nc they need to stop expecting to win with some miracle play in the closing minutes and start actually beating other teams.
First and foremost Less Miles need to get control of this bunch of homeboys and enforce some discipline.
They have more talent than any other team in America but seem to have lost the ability to pull together and actually win a game outright. Sooner or later the clock will strike midnight again like it did in Kentucky.
Lennie Collins
posted on November 5, 2007 1:23 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
Hey this Sweet Home Alabama got a point! If this would have been any NON-SEC Team we would hear how they did not play like a National title Contender. Sweet Home Alabama is right. I did not watch all the game BUT it seemed to be a lot of reviews that were overturned when I switched over! Hey I am not saying Ohio State is the National Champions BUT they are BLOWING OUT their opponents and leaving no doubt!
FromVT said:
posted on November 5, 2007 1:34 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
#12 - I have to disagree with this statement "If this would have been any NON-SEC Team we would hear how they did not play like a National title Contender".
Looking at the rankings before that game a comparable OOC road game would have been USC, Michigan, UConn, or Wisconsin. Honestly I think the same result from any of those teams would have been considered a more respectable win, maybe I am wrong.
Lennie Collins
posted on November 5, 2007 1:44 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
FromVT...LSU jumped out to a 17-3 lead and I said forget it it's over. I turned it back when Texas and Oklahoma State went to halftime and Alabama was ahead 20-17. I am not at all saying LSU is not a good team but some of those "reversed' calls were questionable. Louisiana State is a good defensive team but RIGHT NOW if they were to face Ohio State for the National Title, IN MY OPINION ONLY, Ohio State would win. It would be close because LSU would be playing in their home State!
FromVT said:
posted on November 5, 2007 2:03 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
#14 - You dodged my question.
I saw the whole LSU/Alabama game. I watched with a Gator alumni, he did not think a single over-turned call was incorrect. Yeah, he is not even close to being an LSU fan, I agreed with the over-turned calls myself as well.
Right now I personally think that Oregon should be in the NC game. I am glad that you have your opinion, and I am sure that OU/Kansas/Missouri/Oregon/West Virginia (did I leave anyone out?) fans feel they deserve it too. Of course I feel there should be a playoff, because this year proves it more and more that you can't just pick two out of the group and say those are clearly the best two.
TE
posted on November 5, 2007 2:14 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
Which one of those reversals was questionable?
We had a bad 2nd quarter, and after that, we were fine...8 penalties & 3 turnovers in one quarter...and it all started when Tyson Jackson gave up the late hit, which was a tad questionable in and of itself...
But, once again...LSU's the most penalized team in the SEC, and its opponents-on the day they play against LSU-are the least...
That's a fact, jack...
Oh, and Sweet Home...Don't hate, buddy...How's this for history...
Five straight W's, and when's the last time we lost in Tuscaloser?
(Insert obligatory response about yesteryear domination here)
Once again...Saban lives up to his prior performances...He has exactly THREE seasons in his entire collegiate career where he lost less than three games...His one year at Toledo (9-2), his last year in East Lansing (9-2), and LSU's '03 NC season (13-1)...
Every other season he lost at least three games...
Four million per buys you three losses/year...
Good luck, Tide fans!
Lennie Collins
posted on November 5, 2007 2:14 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
FromVT{Comment#17} I did not read a question and your previous post! So please ask it now! Are you DmanLV in disguise? Cowbell05{Comment #16} a National Title Contender so to look dominant and no team has looked like that so far!
FromVT said:
posted on November 5, 2007 2:21 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
#18 TE - "and it all started when Tyson Jackson gave up the late hit, which was a tad questionable in and of itself."
The problem was that he put his helmet into the QB. That is a penalty every time. I don't believe that call was about a late hit, pretty sure it was a personal foul for putting the helmet down before the hit. I thought it was a good call.
Rammer Jammer said:
posted on November 5, 2007 2:29 PM — 199.89.170.92 — link — abuse?
TE and FromVT
Personally, I thought the fumble, which was ruled an incomplete pass, was questionable. The receiver cleary had control of the ball, and even started to make a break toward the sideline.
It doesn't matter anyways. Had we gotten the ball back, it probably would have been a dreaded 3 and out. Unless JPW could have just thrown a ball up, and prayed that one of our great receivers would make a play on it (as he clearly did on several occasions).
RTRFromVT said:
posted on November 5, 2007 2:35 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
#22 - The Bama receivers IMO were impressive. On that play you are talking about I can definitely understand that being questionable. I thought it was over-turned because it looked to me like he didn't have complete control even when he turned towards the sideline. I told my Gator buddy that however they end up ruling it would be fine with me because that one was actually really close, he agreed. I didn't even go to LSU, I just like seeing good games and good calls. I thought LSU ~was~ a great team, but the mistakes and lack of self control has left a different impression on me.
Rammer Jammer said:
posted on November 5, 2007 2:49 PM — 199.89.170.92 — link — abuse?
FromVT
Don't let that game fool ya.
Lsu has a great team. I think they tried to play with too much emotion, and it almost bit them in the arse. Those players wanted that game in a bad way. Almost too bad; if that's possible?
Bottom line is: I don't see them playing another game as sloppy as they played that one.
FromVT said:
posted on November 5, 2007 3:10 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
Rammer Jammer - I live in Houston, so they are a regular broadcast here. I have seen a few sloppy games. They can beat anyone, but that includes themselves! That is what takes something away form that team for me. Maybe they clean it up in the next couple games.
SilverBulletD
posted on November 5, 2007 3:38 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
I just hope that everyone keeps hating on Ohio State. Give them a reason to WANT to win another National Championship, unlike last year.
This team is not at all the same team as last year. They are young and hungry to prove people wrong.
The Big Ten is weaker than they have been in the past, but I don't see any other conferences making any stand out statements. All conferences have a few good teams, some mediocre teams, and some piss poor teams. One thing that has been proven this year is that you have to let them play the games!!
No one thought that Michigan was going to lose to Appy State and no one thought that Ohio State was going to be better than third in the Big Ten, what do we all know?
Mr2Bits said:
posted on November 5, 2007 4:07 PM — 66.89.151.21 — link — abuse?
@ Lennie Collins- You said, "BUT they are BLOWING OUT their opponents and leaving no doubt!"
Buddy, you need a check in reality. You barely scathed by a 5-5 Mich. St. team. You have played ONE team that is in the top 30. You play games along the tune of Akron, Youngstown St. Northwestern, Minn., Kent St. to pad you W's and stats. Your opponents have a combined record of 44-44. Your conference strength is barely rated above the WAC. I could go on and on, but my point is, OSU's schedule is sorry, plain and simple and you bragging isn't convincing anyone. You play one real game every year which is MI and even this year I don't consider them the tough MI they usually are however they are scrounging up a season this year.
Now to my point, you don't have to BLOWOUT sorry teams all year to prove how good you are. Florida is the PERFECT example of this. Losing to Auburn last year, a blocked field goal from dropping one to USC, not showing up to numerous games only winning by 7 or so, but at the end of the day, we proved it on the field by little or by big. Big particularly being seen in Arizona when we showed the nation how overhyped your locked to win OSU team and Heisman trophy winner actually were.
You have to remember, because you have the best record, no way in hell means you’re the best team. If I was an OSU fan and OSU actually makes it to the NC game, I would pray to not see LSU/Oregon there because you WILL be humiliated yet another year. FACT
Lennie Collins
posted on November 5, 2007 4:14 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
Mr2Bits {Comment #30} Timeout! Check yourself before you wreck yourself! I AM NOT A OHIO STATE BUCKEYE FAN. MY TEAM I CHEER FOR is the OKLAHOMA SOONERS! The only thing that ties me to Ohio State is my brother is a fan and my cousin goes there, that is it! Believe me I do not have any Scarlet and Grey gear. They have BLOWN OUT THEIR LAST TWO OPPONENTS is what I wanted to say!
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 5, 2007 4:48 PM — 75.120.246.143 — link — abuse?
# 18 - I congratulated LSU when they beat Bama. Since game day I have not talked any trash about your beloved Tigers. I haven't spoken an unkind word about them. I made one simple observation and you accuse me of hating. YOU are the one who gets in everyone’s face.
Why is it that if anyone even makes an observation about your team, you come back with some sort of smart ass remark? LSU IS NOT PERFECT. They are making mistakes just as every other team in college football does.
Buddy you need to deal with this problem that you have. If anyone fails to sing the praises of LSU, you come after them every damn time.
You're a nutcase. Everyone on this forum can exchange ideas and thoughts about every other team BUT if they speak of LSU they had better be bragging every time. IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
Pray that LSU wins every game between now and the nc game. If they slip at all, I will be on your case like ugly on an ape. Count on it!
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 5, 2007 5:15 PM — 75.120.246.143 — link — abuse?
Can anyone tell me who made this statement?
“Once again...Saban lives up to his prior performances...He has exactly THREE seasons in his entire collegiate career where he lost less than three games...His one year at Toledo (9-2), his last year in East Lansing (9-2), and LSU's '03 NC season (13-1)...
Every other season he lost at least three games...
Four million per buys you three losses/year...”Hmmm . . . Let’s check out ole Lester boy’s record as a head coach BEFORE he took over Saban’s program at LSU.
First job as a head coach:
Miles returned to OSU in 2001 as head coach. Miles took over and went 4-7 his first year, but then went 8-5, 9-4, and 7-5 -- taking his team to the Houston Bowl, the Cotton Bowl, and the Alamo Bowl.
In January of 2005, Miles was named the head coach of Louisiana State University. He replaced Nick Saban.
SilverBulletD
posted on November 5, 2007 5:24 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
You know I guess what makes the SEC so great is their out of conference schedule. You know since everyone else only plays lightweights outside of thier conference. I mean LSU played the quality teams of Middle Tennessee (5-5), Tulane (2-7), and they have yet to play LaTech (4-5). They did play VaTech, but they suck because they play in the SEC not the all mighty SEC.
What about the SEC teams that played Western Carolina, Louisiana Monroe, North Texas, Chattanooga, New Mexico St., Tennessee Tech, Western Kentucky, and Florida Atlantic.
Top notch competition in all those teams.
All college football teams put cupcakes on their schedule, but if your an SEC fan, anyone other an SEC apponent is a cupcake. Ask Tenessee and Arkansas about their cupcake bowl games last year. They really did a number on those creme puff Big 10 teams.
What makes the SEC so much better than everyone else? Because last year Florida caught an overconfident, sleeping Ohio State team and thrashed them? Because in the last ten years they've won three national championships, one shared? While in that same period the Big 10 won 2, Big 12 won 2, and the Pac 10 won 2 (one shared).
Is it because of recruiting classes? Notre Dame had the number one class last year, are you going to argue that they are one of the best teams out there?
What makes the SEC the best?
I don't know I could say who the best is. I don't know who the best isn't. Would the Big 10 be able to beat the SEC head to head? I doubt it, but no one thought Florida would win the NC last year and that Arkansas and Tenn. would lose to Wisconsin and Penn St.
How do we rate the best? If you listen to the polls Ohio State is the best, but everyone says thats BS. So you can't use the polls to determine the best. That means it doesn't matter how many ranked teams you play throughout the year because the polls are incorrect.
Again, how do you determine the best?
Head to head? Then Kentucky is better than LSU.
No??? Then how?
gOSU27 said:
posted on November 5, 2007 5:35 PM — 207.74.25.36 — link — abuse?
so true silver bullet
what proof do they have that they are the best? we cant prove anyone else better because there is simply no way to tell. for all we actually know, it could be the ACC fans gloating now (probably not though) about their great conference
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 5, 2007 5:37 PM — 75.120.246.143 — link — abuse?
SilverBulletD, you made some good points. However, please do not speak unkindly about LSU. We have one Tiger fan here that is the bat of an eyelash away from going off the deep end. Even as I speak he could be on the top of some building with a high powered rifle picking off people who are irreverent when speaking off his deity.
Lennie Collins
posted on November 5, 2007 5:40 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
My fellow bloggers what makes a conference great is a matter of opinion. Again when a Mississippi State beats a Louisiana State then the SEC is great because of "Parity" BUT if an Iowa State beats an Oklahoma...the Big 12 is overrated! I still have not figured it out!
FromVT said:
posted on November 5, 2007 5:48 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
#38 - I hear what you are saying. There is way too much opinion about who is the best in general, which of course can not be settled without some kind of a playoff, until then there will be ~legitimate~ complaining by at least some teams for not making th NC game.
Now why I feel the SEC is a stronger conference. It is not about # of Championships but the SEC had 3 different Champions. Other than that just from top to bottom they have better teams, IMO. That is not to say that their #1 team will always beat another #1, ect... Just that they would win most games when matched up against other conferences.
It is not Ohio St fault that the Big 10(11) is a little off this year. They have played well and won their games, but they are in a weaker conference.
To answer your question "Again, how do you determine the best?", simply put PLAYOFF. And yes I would have Ohio St in there with a top seed.
SilverBulletD
posted on November 5, 2007 5:51 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
Another thing I don't get. How does an undefeated KU team get no respect? The Big 12 is overatted too. Even though they hold the 4,5, and 6 spots in the polls.
To bad KU doesn't play in the SEC. Well maybe not, they would be 0-9 right now instead of 9-0. How bad would Oklahoma suck if they played in the SEC?
FromVT said:
posted on November 5, 2007 6:02 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
#49 Lennie - It is all opinion. As long as there is sport there will be strong opinions in every direction. The Big 12 has a very good Conference this year, no argument there. Remember the polls are nothing more than opinion too. Is Ohio St #1, according to opinion, maybe it should really be KU or (cough) Hawaii.
Question: how do any of you really determine who should be ranked #1 and #2?
Some will say that team X won every game, some will say they won by a lot, some will say they played the hardest schedule. What ever your choice, it's only opinion. If it wasn't for that none of you would be on here any way giving your opinions on who deserves to be there.
Lennie Collins
posted on November 5, 2007 6:04 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
SilverBulletD you were cool until you made that statement, comment #48! By the way who is your team? Kansas and Oklahoma is in the Midwest. Kansas would not be 0-9 anyways! They 4 non-conference games before their conference schedule! You make a good point about how you can't judge a conference strong then you back track and make a statement like that? Explain how Oklahoma would fair in the SEC. Mississippi State, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Arkansas, South Carolina and Alabama would lose to the Sooners. Auburn, Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee would play tough but still lose. Louisiana State would probably have the best chance! Please bring up the past you know the 21-14 LSU win.
Lennie Collins
posted on November 5, 2007 6:12 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
FromVT...I agree with you 100%! Why College sports have these rankings? The pro sports don't have to deal with this! They just play the games! Are the Patriots the #1 team in the NFL? They are just undefeated as far as they are concerned!
SilverBulletD
posted on November 5, 2007 6:13 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
Lennie, sorry, it was more a shot at SEC fans than Oklahoma. I don't think Oklahoma sucks at all.
I am a Buckeye, but I think that all college football teams work their asses off to be where they are and get a little irritated when someone thinks that they are all mighty and no one else should walk on the face of the earth with them.
Some SEC fans make you feel that way. Not all, but a lot.
I also live in Kansas, so I have seen OU and KU a lot, plus I have a lot of friends that are OU and KU fans. What I have seen, they deserve respect.
Lennie Collins
posted on November 5, 2007 6:23 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
SilverBulletD #56 that describes some not all SEC fans. SEC fans, let the record reflect I do not know how Oklahoma would fare in the SEC. I was wrong for making that statement in Comment #54. Not one of us know how a team would do in other conference. Look at Boston College, Miami, and Virginia Tech. I thought it would take 5 years for them to get use to the change! Look at Penn State when they join the Big 11. They got their butts whipped the first year in conference play!
OU-Ron
posted on November 5, 2007 6:29 PM — 72.198.24.199 — link — abuse? said:
@56 SilverBulletD, If you stay on this Blog long enough, you'll get imune to it sooner or later, it's mostly BS anyway. Besides you don't have anything that you have to defend, your Buckeyes are number ONE in all polls and unless they screw up, they will be in the NCG....
SilverBulletD
posted on November 5, 2007 6:30 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
Lennie(#57), thats the whole point. None of us know. Maybe now we can let the season play out and see. Maybe we can let the players decide every game who is the best. There is never going to be a definitive way to say there is. Not when you have 117+ teams trying to be #1.
gOSU27 said:
posted on November 5, 2007 6:41 PM — 207.74.25.36 — link — abuse?
silverbullet,
just asking another ohio state fan, how do u feel about beanie:heisman:2008
lol
idk about all this talk of boeckman. i agree he has improved but once kirk herbstriet gets on someone he can talk all daybuckeye fan in kansas eh? im trapped in the heart of the ememy; michigan
SilverBulletD
posted on November 5, 2007 7:54 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
gOSU27 (#60), if Beanie can get healthy next year and run like he did against Wisconsin and Penn State he will look good for the Heisman. I don't think Boeckman is in that league. He is good, but he is not Heisman good...yet anyway.
Hopefully Boeckman will have some more competition next year in the form of Terrell Pryor.
I am sorry you have to be in enemy territory.
SilverBulletD
posted on November 5, 2007 8:16 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
I'm not sure on his 40.
I hope that all our juniors stay, but pro money is hard to turn down.
You should check out my website.
gOSU27 said:
posted on November 5, 2007 9:13 PM — 207.74.25.36 — link — abuse?
whats the url??
u should check out this one too its good OSU humor every week
http://www.the-ozone.net/arts1.htmBleed Crimson
posted on November 5, 2007 9:20 PM — 130.160.147.104 — link — abuse? said:
ill already tell you whats gonna happen:
kansas will most definitely lose to either oklahoma, missouri, or both. my guess is both.
ohio state will win out
oregon will win out
lsu will win out unless they rematch florida. in which case, who knows what will happen.
what i do know is this: lsu vs. oregon/oklahoma should be the national championship game, and lsu will destroy their opposition much in the same way florida did last year vs. osu.
SilverBulletD
posted on November 5, 2007 9:34 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
Before I go I want to say that I have much respect for all the players and teams in the NCAA. It cannot be easy being 17,18 to 22 years old and have people like us talking about them the way we do.
I also have much respect for all the fans out there that stand behind their teams. I get frustrated hearing about how great the SEC is all the time, but they are good. I just wish everyone would let the year unfold and then you can start smashing who you want.
GO BUCKS!!
TE
posted on November 5, 2007 10:12 PM — 70.180.45.10 — link — abuse? said:
Miles' has outcoached Meyer twice in three years...I get such a kick out of this...
He has a winning record against Tuberville, Saban, Meyer, Fulmer, Spurrier, Beamer, & Weis...
He's done what Nick Saban could never do...Beat Alabama, Auburn, & Florida in the same year...and he's done it twice ('05 & '07), and here's another stat for you...
In Saban's last 35 games, with his "own talent" in his "own program", he went a combined 25-10, against admittedly lesser competition in admittedly lesser seasons with lesser implications in each of the games.
Les Miles, in his first 35 games, is now 30-5. So, you can't say shat about Miles winning with Saban's recruits, because the simple fact is that if everything's equal, Miles' has coached Saban's talent better than Saban did while at LSU...
With far more distractions (Katrina/Rita, National Championship Talk the past two years, and the Saban Bowl this year), Miles has shown the ability to win the game, prepare the team, and prevail in the waning moments...
Oh, and one more thing...Les Miles has more conviction and class than any other coach in this conference.
LaMarcus Coker had the Tennessee AD rewrite its durg testing policies to allow him to test positive for dope four times before finally booting him out. Meyer let his dope fiend defensive tackle play the entire LSU game, then cut him loose the Monday afterwards, after knowing he failed the test a full week before the LSU game last year.
This year, he played Tony Joiner after Tony went Grand Theft Auto Gainesville on everyone...
Les Miles sat his dynamic backup/pace changer at home because of an incident in which he was cleared of any and all wrongdoing, going so far as to even having video surveillance footage absolving Perrilloux of involvement in the fracas...
In the offseason, he kicked his entire two deep depth chart off of the team at Right Tackle, and we started a defensive lineman with six months experience (a spring & fall camp) there this entire year...Notice who had three penalties on the offensive line, Saturday?
Bottom line, this man has class, tact, and has shown gumption, resolve, focus, and an unwavering ability to put all of the distractions and bullshit aside that this team has had to deal with, from Hurricanes to national championships, to barroom brawls, offseason incidents, and our former head coach coming back to one of our more hated Division Rivals...
He's guided this team to a 30-5 record in three years, so far...
With a 1-3 finish, Les Miles will equal Nick Saban's best three year win total while at LSU.
With two more wins, Les Miles will become the first coach in LSU History with three straight 10 win regular seasons...
Nick Saban can say none of these things...
Les Miles is an idiot with scoreboard on all of those coaches, and serious accomplishments that Nick Saban during his tenure in Tiger Town couldn't even approach...
Sorry, Bama fans...but 4 million a year bought you a coach with no conscience, no loyalty, and less on the field results than Les Miles...
After this year, Miles will have just as many ADT Waterford Crystal Trophies as Saban, as well...
Hate on, college football...but, just remember...
FEAR THE HAT!
GA Boy said:
posted on November 5, 2007 10:30 PM — 97.89.21.220 — link — abuse?
Damn TE
I think you may be in love with Les Miles. The guy is a gutsy (and lucky) son of a gun. I hope we get to play you in the Dome. If we do, let me know where you will be standing with your "I love Les Miles" sign and I will look for you.GO DAWGS!!
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 5, 2007 10:46 PM — 75.120.246.143 — link — abuse?
Of course if Miles bolts to Michigan at the end of the season he still has a considence, a loyalty to LSU.
Saban led LSU to a 13-1 record and the BCS National Championship in 2003. He was 48-16 (.750) in his five years at LSU, including two SEC championships. Overall, Saban has coached three conference championship teams (1990 Mid-American, 2001 SEC and 2003 SEC) and eight of his 11 teams have played in post-season bowl games.
Hey! The old saying is true. You get what you pay for.
$1.7 mil will not keep Less at LSU. He did try to bury the subject, at least temporarily, saying he had not been contacted and had sent out the word to "leave me alone." He added that he didn’t want to say anything to detract "this team,"
His words were "I’m about this football team," which folks interpreted as his 2007 team.LSU fans were quick to note he said nothing about future teams, at LSU or elsewhere.
Coach contracts, they know, are born to be broken.
LSU-PATS said:
posted on November 5, 2007 10:56 PM — 216.79.208.72 — link — abuse?
It's hard to say what will happen in the next few weeks. I do know that LSU has two games they should win easily, by then some of these top seven teams will lose. In two weeks the standings will look different, but LSU will still be at #2 possibly #1. I think if LSU was to lose, it might would be in the sec championship, but i really don't see them losing again. OHIO ST., if they get past MICHIGAN, will stay at #1. I think OREGON, KANSAS, OKLAHOMA, MISSOURI, and WEST VIRGINIA have tough games left and even some against each other, but whoever wins the BIG 12 or OREGON, WEST VIRGINIA win out, it will be a mess again till it's a playoff. Just think if OHIO ST., LSU, OREGON, ONE of 3 teams in the BIG 12 wins out, that would probably be a big unfair mess. That's why being ranked #1 and #2 RIGHT NOW MEANS ALOT. TIGERS ROLL
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 5, 2007 10:56 PM — 75.120.246.143 — link — abuse?
I know that Katrina has been blamed for everything else but I didn't know that it had an effect on Less's chances at an nc.
There was NO talk of Saban Bowl in the state of Alabama. I live here and the only thing that I heard was the YouTube video, what I read on this forum and what I read on LSU forums.
The media needed something to increase radio and TV ratings and sell more papers. LSU fans toppled face first into that one. Since they needed to "hate Saban" to get up for the game, what will they use for motivation next year? You can only carry this hate thing so far.
FromVT said:
posted on November 5, 2007 11:54 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
#71 UMICH - VT is not for Virginia Tech. I grew up in Vermont (VT) but live in Texas now. I don't have affiliation with any team that we talk about, I am just a fan and call things how I see them. I remember actually being a Michigan fan as a little kid because they always showed The Game on TV and I didn't like Woody Hayes.
I don't think that the Big 10(11) is nearly as strong as they normally have been in the past, that is my opinion. A few years ago there would be a 4-way battle for the conference, now it's seems there is only 1 or 2 teams that ~really~ compete for the conference championship. My point is that right now that conference is off.
FromVT said:
posted on November 5, 2007 11:59 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
Also - I said that they are in a weaker conference (compared to PAC-10, Big 12, and SEC), and that the Big 10(11) was off this year. I didn't say that it is a weak conference. If you think they are just as strong this year as even last year or the few years before that, then I don't know what to say, that would be your opinion if that is the case.
Tom Blogical
posted on November 6, 2007 12:41 AM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
FromVT (#81):
"VT is not for Virginia Tech."
LOL! I assumed it meant Virginia Tech, too. That's really unfair of you to use VT for Vermont on a CFB blog... ;-)
Tom Blogical
posted on November 6, 2007 12:56 AM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
FromUVM (#84):
Yeah, that'll stop people from referring to Virginia Tech! Now you won't have to explain it anymore. FYI, I enjoy reading your comments here.
Side note--I hate insomnia.
FromUVM said:
posted on November 6, 2007 1:07 AM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
Now I will just have to explain why University Of Vermont goes by UVM! LOL. Our claim to fame, we beat Syracuse first round of the NCAA tournament (2005) the year after they won the National Championship (they were a #4 seed). I am sure everyone remembers that ;)
Thanks for the comment Tom.
Cowbell05 said:
posted on November 6, 2007 1:43 AM — 74.227.36.62 — link — abuse?
The SEC continues to have the nation's top non-conference winning percentage at 87.8 percent (36-5 record). The Big Ten is second at 81.0 percent (34-8). The most non-conference games the SEC has won in a season was 41 (non-bowl) last season.
Eye of the Tiger said:
posted on November 6, 2007 2:29 AM — 68.107.106.161 — link — abuse?
Okay, I need help on this one,
How is UCLA, Oklahoma St., a Big 12 Championship, and a no PAC-10 Championship tougher competion than Ole Miss, Arkansas, and a SEC Championship? I didn't even start on the competition that was played throughout the season. I think LSU played two maybe three teams that weren't, or are not ranked. I really need help with that one. Somebody please, I'm listening.
Tomcat said:
posted on November 6, 2007 2:46 AM — 69.150.79.102 — link — abuse?
Hey Cowbell you are including teams from non BCS conferences and Div 1-AA conferences.
So Far this season SEC is 4-5 against opponents from BCS conferences
WV over Miss St---Big East
S Fla over AU-----Big East
Missu over Ole Miss--XII
FSU over Bama------ACC
Cal over Tenn-----Pac 10UGa over OK st-----XII
KY over Louis-----Big East
AU over K ST-------XII
LSU over V Tech----ACC
Just thought I'd throw that out there
We can only really tell after the season is over, until then nobody really knows much about how tough the SEC truly is.
UGa vs GTech
So Car vs Clemson
FSU vs Fla
Then we will see some great bowl matchups like last year
Wisc over Ark
Penn St over Tenn
OK st over BamaTomcat said:
posted on November 6, 2007 5:28 AM — 69.150.79.102 — link — abuse?
#72 TE Wow Miles has a winning record against those guys- Hey he doesnt have a winning record against Brown or Stoops.
He was coaching at OK state a couple of years ago.Now we all know that you somehow beleive that he walks on water or something,however the fact is that he sh-ts between his boots just like everybody else. He better not bolt for Mich, because he has such a loyal fan base in La.
The Tigers have a good team and Miles is a great coach,but lets not get too carried away.Had the Tigers lost a couple of those close ones we all saw, yall would probably be on him worse than duck on a junebug.
You said that Miles record is 30-5 the last three years so far. Browns record at Texas the last three years so far 31-5 the three years prior to that 32-6.
You said that if the Tigers win two more they would have 3 -10 win seasons in a row. The Longhorns have 6 - 10 win seasons in a row so far.
Reality check-there are alot of good teams with good coaches- Check Jim Tressels, Pete Carrols or Bob Stoops record while your blowing your horn.
All those guys have crystal hardware
Hookem-Horns
posted on November 6, 2007 8:07 AM — link — abuse? said:
@Eye of the Tiger #89 -- You can't cherry pick like that bro, or people are going to think you're a homer.
First, it's not UCLA, Oklahoma St., a Big 12 Championship, and a no PAC-10 Championship.
Kansas has @OK State, Iowa State, @ #7 Missouri (neutral site), and Big XII Championship (likely #4 Oklahoma). That's a gauntlet, regardless of what you think about a non-traditional school like KU being in the mix.
Oregon has @ Arizona, @ UCLA, and Oregon State. Now, that's an easier stretch, which is why the entire post says that Oregon is likely to be odd man out and needs to win big for style points (although the computers don't factor margin of victory).
LSU has Louisiana Tech, @ Ole Miss, Arkansas, and SEC Championship (likely #22 Tennessee). And that Kentucky game.
When you compare where KU & LSU are in the extended rankings, and what both teams have remaining, there is little question that an undefeated Kansas is going to leapfrog LSU to play for the national championship if Kansas runs the table.
You can say "SEC" all you want, but LSU needs some style points for the rest of the year. They've played in a few too many close games, and surrendering a few poll votes here & there. They have to cut that shit out and trounce Arkansas & Tennessee. Period.
Again, it's a murky crystal ball, but -- all things equal -- Kansas jumps LSU.
TE
posted on November 6, 2007 11:45 AM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
No, I have no problems admitting Miles' isn't the best coach in the land...I am far from saying that...
I'm just tired of these guys who are fans of the teams he mows down weekly this year, and has done historically now since he's been in Tiger Town...
They call him dumb. They call him lucky. They talk about lack of discipline. They call him crazy.
If he's such a dumb luck, undisciplined schlep of a crazy coach, then how are your headset wearers getting owned, weekly, by him?
Oh, and to all the haters who say I love the guy...You're d@mn right, I love him. I love EVERYTHING LSU, and I'll defend it-and him-with everything I've got, though admittedly, wins and losses are the best ammunition I have.
Eye of the Tiger said:
posted on November 6, 2007 11:48 AM — 138.163.0.41 — link — abuse?
"You can say "SEC" all you want, but LSU needs some style points for the rest of the year. They've played in a few too many close games, and surrendering a few poll votes here & there. They have to cut that shit out and trounce Arkansas & Tennessee. Period."
Here I agree
"Again, it's a murky crystal ball, but -- all things equal -- Kansas jumps LSU."Here I completely disagree
I can see maybe an undefeated KU jumping an undefeated Ohio St, but definitely not LSU. I would say that about any one loss SEC team at this point. One thing that's not taken into account is the ENTIRE season. Who were these teams playing all season long? We're just looking at the last few games where LSU still has much tougher competition than a PAC and Big 10 conference. Come on, tell me you don't think the Big 10 doesn't deserve the wackest conference award this year. Let's take into account the whole season, and the picture changes quite a bit. I have no beef with KU going all the way if they remain undefeated, but I would have a major issue with Ohio St. sneaking in. Let's let them have their Rose Bowl, and have a real Championship in New Orleans this year.
Cowbell05 said:
posted on November 6, 2007 11:55 AM — 74.251.16.200 — link — abuse?
Kevin...thats not going to happen. If LSU wins out and KU wins out then i think LSU takes over 1 and KU would have to take Ohio St. spot...none of this matters anyway because KU nor Ohio St. will win out...Oregon-LSU=BCSCG----I hope =)...I think that would be the best game.
gOSU27 said:
posted on November 6, 2007 12:09 PM — 207.74.25.36 — link — abuse?
if ohio state stays undefeated, they will go to the NC game
if LSU wins out they will go to the NC game
if LSU loses and oregon wins out they should...go to the NC game
it might be close w/ KU but thats just what i think would happenFromUVM said:
posted on November 6, 2007 12:17 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
(gOSU27) - I am not so sure about that. I wonder if KU wins out the polls might just put them above both Oregon and LSU regardless of what those two do. Oregon doesn't have a conference championship game which may actually bit them in the @ss.
Hey look at last year, going into SEC conference championship Florida was #3, Michigan was still #2 after just losing to Ohio St. Low and behold Florida wins SEC championship game and is now #2. ~If~ KU wins out and beat Missouri and Oklahoma, that might just have the same result as what we saw last year. Don't think that the pollsters won't flip-flop, they have been doing it all year. I posted before how the #1 votes keep jumping around, seemingly randomly. Who knows what is going to happen. Granted a *lot* of people don't think the KU can win out though.
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 6, 2007 12:27 PM — 75.120.246.143 — link — abuse?
# 93 must be saying that LSU mowed down Kentucky, Florida, Auburn and Alabama. I didn't see those games. In the games that I saw LSU barely used a weedeater. I guess we're talking Miss St., VT and Middle Tennessee.
Funny how one can be so emotional about their team that it clouds their vision. Those 4 games were the last 4 that LSU played. Mowing them down, hardly?
Lester needs to think about style points. Too near the end of the season to be squeaking out last second wins. Look up and you might see Kansas playing leap frog right over your head. Be careful!
Spartacus
posted on November 6, 2007 2:06 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
This is my favorite time of the year. This is when we get to find out who the BCS is gonna screw the hardest. My vote is gonna go for some poor Big 12 team - namely Kansas. I envision Kansas going into Missouri and losing - finishing the season at (11-1). Missouri will probably go on to lose to Oklahoma in the Big 12 Championship game - therefore finishing at (11-2) with both losses to Oklahoma. Now, if Missouri had beaten Kansas - how could the BCS put them in? If they do - then Missouri gets the royal shaft. The only way out of this terrible quagmire in the Big 12 is if Kansas does beat Missouri and Oklahoma does beat Kansas. This will get two Big 12 teams into the BCS for sure.
Another great scenario for a shafting is if LSU somehow losses the SEC Championship game to the Eastern rep. That way, an 11-2 LSU team, could be set up for a royal shafting by the BCS. Or, what if Ohio State did lose to Michigan, and was left out with their (11-1) final record? It is almost assured that if West Virginia does not win out - they will be left out with a (10-2) record.
And of course, any number of teams from the ACC can and will be left out if they finish with only two losses and don't win the ACC Championship game. Arizona State and USC both look to be likely contenders for a shafting, although USC stands a favorable chance (media darlings, remember?), even though both can finish at (10-2) or ASU could even be (11-1). One of these two teams will receive the shaft if they each finish with two losses - with Arizona State being the likely recipient of the pipe.Tommie Trojan
TE
posted on November 6, 2007 2:14 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
Sweet Home Alabama,
Are you that silly? I mean, seriously...We won, get over it. You're taking me to task over the fact that we win. We mowed you down in the 2nd half after giving you an opportunity to take the game from us in the 1st half...
You were outscored 24-7 in the 2nd half. You had a Special Teams Touchdown, and a gift of the worst quarter of football this team's played all year, at home or on the road, and we still beat you.
Bottom Line. Yet, you're still bitter...
Have fun in Shreveport...Or Atlanta...The Indy Bowl or the Chik-Fil-A Bowl are salivating over the chance to showcase your team...
...When you shred whatever team you play in your whatever bowl to represent the SEC...Just remember...
Your QB threw for less than 50%...You had 6 penalty first downs we GAVE you. We GAVE you a touchdown off of one of those. Your "vaunted" Terry Grant managed 20 yards of total offense.
We sacked your precious SJJPW (You guys sure turned on him quickly, didn't you?) 7 times...
We GAVE you 14 points, on the road, and 130 yards of penalties, and three turnovers.
...and yet, you STILL couldn't beat us!
Five straight wins over the (Pay)Roll Tide...and 7 of 8 for our Tigers...
Oh well...There's always next year!
gOSU27 said:
posted on November 6, 2007 2:36 PM — 207.74.25.36 — link — abuse?
what ohio state would do against oregon??
i think that it would be a close game, but oregons defense hasnt faced a great offense yet (and dont say USC)
now stoppin dixon is another matter, i think ohio state could win, but it would be up to the defensive coordinators to stop the offense
OU Fan said:
posted on November 6, 2007 3:00 PM — 84.146.0.214 — link — abuse?
Eye of the Tiger post #94, sorry bud. If KU goes undefeated(which I highly doubt will happen), an undefeated Jayhawks team will and should surpass a 1 loss LSU team. By then and like I said this is a big "if" KU goes undefeated, the Jayhawks will have beaten a BCS top 10 Mizzou team and a BCS top 10 Oklahoma team. That would a strong and impressive way to finish off the season. I doubt that will happen, but I do agree with Spartacus' view that KU will beat Mizzou but will then lose to Oklahoma. And heres a interesting note off topic: Former Oklahoma RB Adrian Peterson is making NFL defenses look like a bunch of junior varsity elemtary football players playing against the high school varsity football team. Peterson is on the way and should win the NFL rookie of the year. And how about Sam Bradford? The true freshman has the 2nd best QB rating with 175.13. Bradford has thrown 25 TD passes. Bradford is six shy of tying Colt McCoy's freshman record of 31 TD passes. Oklahoma has 3 regular season games left, a possible Big 12 championship game, and a bowl game. With 5 possible games remaining, you can count on Sam Bradford breaking McCoy's record. BOOMER SOONER!
Spartacus
posted on November 6, 2007 3:19 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
This year is gonna make a shambles of the BCS system. There is a real good chance that Ohio State, LSU, Oregon, Oklahoma, West Virginia and Kansas could all end up really deserving of a National Title shot. I don't aspire to the theory that you have to be unbeaten to go. These are six fantastic teams - so far. They could all end up with one loss or less. Anytime a team ends up with only one loss, from a major BCS conference, that is a very excellent team. It's another real shame that a few teams are gonna get left out which have a legitimate gripe. Of course, after the Bowl games are played, some of the teams won't have as much to gripe about. But, a couple of the winners certainly would.
Tommie Trojan
OU Fan said:
posted on November 6, 2007 3:40 PM — 84.146.0.214 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, my family and I will be flying back to the states to visit home for 28 days. We will depart from Munchen, DE(Munich, Germany) and will arrive in Oklahoma City pretty late at night and that will be after having a long dreaded layover in Hartsfield Jackson. While back home, I will be in attendance at the OU-Baylor game with my father. It should be a blast. Didn't you say you have a son who plays for Baylor? Will you be in attendance for the OU-Baylor game? If so, maybe once you visit Norman you will realize that Norman is not that bad of a place and us Okies are a good bunch. And hopefully, I can get my hands on some Bedlam tickets and watch Mike Gundy run onto the field after Sam Bradford throws his sixth touchdown pass because I mean after all, Mike Gundy is a man, he's 40! BOOMER SOONER!
FromUVM said:
posted on November 6, 2007 3:57 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
As you all are mentioning, the BCS is a shambles. Normally I don't care either way if Ohio St wins out and makes the BCSCG, however since I hate the current system I always root for turmoil that creates furious fans and schools. The best possible way I see that happening is that Ohio St losses 1 game, and Kansas losses 1 game, and of course the rest of the 1-loss teams win out (of course Missouri would have to lose though). Since September I have been hoping for that scenario.
~If~ that actually happened how can the BCS possible say they even have ONE truly exceptional team that has proved they absolutely deserve to be there? IMO no way, there will be a slew of quality teams that can all claim that right. Even if Ohio State wins out there would still be too many 1-loss teams, but of course the BCS would still have their undefeated that they would use like last year as justification for process.
My comments have nothing to do with Ohio State for last year or this year, but only my frustration with the BCS because I of course want to see some sort of playoff, whether it be a plus 1 game or something! Bring on the turmoil!
gatorhippy
posted on November 6, 2007 4:02 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
Agreed, K-Hue...
Even though I hate it...
It always seems to work out...
It will take a season with 4-6 undefeateds to seriously move in a direction to scrap it in favor of a playoff...
That said...
I'll be posting my infamous 16 team playoff system again the Monday after the first weekend in December...
Stay tuned...
FromUVM said:
posted on November 6, 2007 4:19 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
(gatorhippy) "It always seems to work out."
Sorry, I have to disagree.
2004 - Auburn got jobbed. They were undefeated that year but did not get a shot because of PRE-SEASON rankings.
2003 - BCS didn't matter after all because LSU won that game, but the coaches voted USC #12001 - Nebraska didn't even go to their Conference Championship game but played in the National Championship game, WTF?
2000 - Florida St, Washington, Miami were all 1-loss teams. Miami beats FSU, was ranked #2 in the human polls, but the computers had FSU ranked higher so they go to the game.I am sure there are more...
Eye of the Tiger said:
posted on November 6, 2007 4:32 PM — 138.163.0.41 — link — abuse?
OUFan,
If KU could finish the season undefeated I'd be an idiot, or just an a__hole w/ a bad opinion if I didn't think they belong in the NC. My whole thing is they should be ahead of Ohio St even right now. We should be debating if Ohio St. can jump LSU.
LSU-PATS said:
posted on November 6, 2007 4:57 PM — 216.79.207.165 — link — abuse?
I agree with all the playoff posts, but what i can't stand is the bigwigs running the system. Everyone knows the system is a bunch of BS! IS it all about the money,etc? EVERYONE would like another 3 or 4 weeks of football. If it is about the money, politics, or anything else that's stupid. HELL, a playoff would help programs, money, and benefit everybody. TEAMS and FANS would love it because you would finally have a true champion. All that crap needs to go, it should be SOS, WINNING YOUR CONFERENCE, and how good you are against TOP 25 TEAMS. You can take the top 10 or 12 teams and play it out, it's so easy! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THE POWERTRIPPIN BIGWIGS? GO LSU
FromUVM said:
posted on November 6, 2007 5:06 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
(LSU-PATS) I agree with taking top 12 teams (use the BCS ranking, that's fine with me to rank 12 that way), then the top 4 get a bye week. Overall it would be 11 games, bowl games if you want. If you are talking about a playoff bowl game that would IMO draw a crowd. Maybe even have the first round be 4 home games for teams ranked #5-#8, whatever you want do to here is fine with me. That still leaves what, 35 bowl games left over, plus a special bowl game for Notre Dame in case they don't have 6 wins. Those bowl games can be as regional as they want, there should be no bitching about that.
Tada
SilverBulletD
posted on November 6, 2007 5:19 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
#114, maybe you should be debating if college football should even crown a National Champ. Have we come any farther than the past? We still cannot agree on the fact there is one National Champ every year.
Maybe the money hungry schools, administrators, conferences should have not turned their backs on the traditions of the past and sold out to the 50 million bowl games that mean nothing anymore.
I remember the days of watching Big 10 and Pac 10 teams fight it out in the Rose Bowl and it really m
OU-Ron
said:
posted on November 5, 2007 11:24 AM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse?TE's blood pressure just went up about 20 points