October 25, 2006
Charlie Weis befuddled by Florida's cheeseburgers
Notre Dame Head Coach Charlie Weis is really angry at the cheeseburger eating Florida Gators. Even though he admits that the Irish may not be top 10 material, Weis questioned how two teams could jump Notre Dame in the polls.
'One of the teams (Tennessee) that jumped us had the same game that we had. They're down, they're playing at home and they win by a field goal,' Weis said Tuesday. 'Another team (Florida) that jumped us wasn't even playing. They were home eating cheeseburgers and they end up jumping us. That befuddles me.'...
'Tell me how that works?' Weis said. 'Maybe I'm just stupid. Tell me how that works?'
Does Weis really expect us to believe that he's befuddled by cheeseburgers?! Puh-leez
Weis knows exactly how it "works" because he's "working it". Notre Dame won a game on national television to a team that they were supposed to beat easily. Weis shouldn't be surprised and probably isn't as "befuddled" as he's letting on.
Keep campaigning, Charlie, that $4.5 million BCS payday would by a lot of cheeseburgers.
Comments:
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on October 25, 2006 9:45 PM — 206.135.38.217 — link — abuse?
Yeh, I read this crap the other day. What an idiot! Why don't they try and make it happen on the field? The reason that Tennessee and Florida should be ranked higher than Notre Dame - is because either team would stomp them.
Florida has one loss to an Auburn team - that was highly in doubt up until the last couple of minutes. Florida also has beaten LSU. While Tennessee lost to Florida by one - they also dismantled Cal. Meanwhile, Notre Dame was clobbered by Michigan and their best win was over an average Penn State team. They came as close as you can to almost losing to both UCLA and Michigan State. A Georgia Tech team that Notre Dame barely escaped - was just mauled by Clemson.
There is no surprise why they got jumped. What is really amazing is why they are ranked in the Top Twenty. I will not be surprised at all if Navy doesn't hand it to them on Saturday. Navy is considered to be a Top 40 team by the computers. About the same rank as UCLA - but the Midshipmen will be playing at home. Notre Dame might best be worrying about this game this weekend - rather than what everybody else is doing.
Another thing: if this guy had even half a brain, he would understand that all he has to do is beat USC, and he's in like Flynn. No, he knows he's gonna get pounded so he wants to climb as high up the ladder before that day comes. He also knows that his schedule is weak and it's not going to help him - even if they win the games. So, he's just posturing for a higher position before he has to get pounded by Southern Cal, because he knows, no matter what the score is or how Notre Dame loses - they will never fall more than a couple of slots in the eyes of their beloved voters.Tommie T
Portis said:
posted on October 25, 2006 11:02 PM — 24.3.33.20 — link — abuse?
It's hard for me to listen to the NOTRE DAME coach complain about being jumped in the "polls". Basically all his team has to do is not lose more than 3 games a year and they get the at-large bid in one of the BCS Bowls. The media is in love with ND and they pack the stadiums, no matter when or where they play. Forgive me if I don't feel sorry for poor Charlie and Notre Dame.
IrishJT said:
posted on October 26, 2006 7:05 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Charlie is absolutely correct. Southern voters/coaches cannot stand ND because of their traditions and standards. It is very apparent that some voters were looking for ANY reason to knock Notre Dame down. Idle teams NEVER leapfrog a team that wins...it is not done.
And before you dismiss Charlie as a whiner, keep in mind that he has more Super Bowl rings than the rest of the 118 college coaches combined.
(Tommy T...you're just a jackass. You don't have to like Notre Dame to make an intelligent, albeit beleagured (in your case), post.)
easternfan said:
posted on October 26, 2006 7:28 AM — 67.72.98.88 — link — abuse?
Tommy T, perfect post, I couldn't have said it better myself. ND is all ready the most over ranked team in the country. Navy though lost their QB in the Rutgers game, until then I thought they could take 'em too. So far the only teams really getting the shaft in the rankings are Arkansas, Boise and Rutgers. ND would lose to either of those by at least 21 points. IrishJT is a twit. I didnt like seeing my Mounties go from 5 to 6 earlier in the year...but I understood why. How any reasonable CF fan could think the Irish should be in the top 10 much less the top 5 is beyond me.
IrishJT, If EVER THERE HAS BEEN A BIAS FOR A TEAM TO GET SPECIAL TREATMENT IN THE POLLS, IT HAS BEEN FOR ND! It hasn't been for the SEC, not the PAC10, certainly not the Big East or 12, just ND!
Who else gets their own bowl deal! 9-3 last year, a Michigan beat down this year...ha, ha!TrojanHorse said:
posted on October 26, 2006 8:48 AM — 12.175.45.220 — link — abuse?
Charlie cheeseburger, who else would bring food into a CFB discussion LMAO
I guess what do I expect from a guy who has never pushed a plate back in his life.
Charlie cheesburger Weis
Maybe we need to have Cheeseburger night at the Colesium when Fat Boy charlie comes to town. I'd say SC will run him out of town but then again, I don't think the Fat Boy can run too fast
Maybe you need to shore up that running game charlie, that would involve putting down the cheeseburgers first though
SECROCKS said:
posted on October 26, 2006 8:58 AM — 68.152.51.67 — link — abuse?
hey irish fans, quit your complaining. can any of you guess which school has the most 10 win seasons? personally i hate the school, but the SEC is the powerhouse conference in the country, at least vandy put up more of a fight against michigan....yeh i went there.
gatorhippy said:
posted on October 26, 2006 9:19 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
IrishJT (#6):
Shhhhhh.....
It's all a huge conspiracy to keep ND down all hatched by the Southern Syndicate...
No voters in the South really care about what happens with football programs here as long as they can continue to keep the Irish in the hole they have been in since 1988...
Gotta say my cheeseburger was good this week though...JZNole said:
posted on October 26, 2006 9:57 AM — 12.177.80.3 — link — abuse?
Don't worry, this will all be settled once the playoffs start. Oh, wait, my bad.
Seriously though, just look at what Notre Dame, Tennessee, Florida have done this year:
Notre Dame key wins: #19 Penn State
Florida key wins: #13 Tennessee, #9 LSU
Tennessee key wins: #9 Cal, #10 Georgia
(based on rankings at the time)Now, its pretty obvious that I'm a Gator Hater, but you gotta give them respect. Both UF & UT should be ranked ahead of ND. Weis is just upset that it happened during a UF bye week and close games for ND & UT.
If it were up to me, here's my top 10 (not that anyone cares)
1. Ohio State
2. Michigan
3. USC
4. tie Auburn
4. tie Florida
6. West Virginia
7. Louisville
8. Clemson
9. Tennessee
10. TexasTrojanHorse said:
posted on October 26, 2006 10:51 AM — 155.104.37.18 — link — abuse?
I notice PC is not crying that UM jumped SC in the BCS standings. PC knows that unless they (SC) or anyteam for that matter wins out, then the BCS just doesn't matter anyway. Take care of your own business and let the polls do what the polls do. You can't control them. My guess is to a certain extent a whole lot of whining can only hurt you. Although Mack Brown has already proved that theory wrong so maybe fat boy is just taking it to another level although he has some stiff competition from Tommy Whinerville.
S.C.U.M. said:
posted on October 26, 2006 11:14 AM — 209.168.248.130 — link — abuse?
Have some class, Charlie. Everyone knows you're going to a BCS bowl. All you need to do is stay in the top 14 (which I'm sure you'll do despite a loss at USC). The drop in the polls is in recognition of the fact that your team would be 4-3 but for some poor coaching decisions by UCLA and Michigan State.
UTVolFan said:
posted on October 26, 2006 11:14 AM — 139.76.128.71 — link — abuse?
To IrishJT, You are so very wrong about the SEC wanting to keep ND down because of traditions and standards. As a rabid UT fan, I can tell you we love playing ND at home or away.
If it weren't for Corso, we might not even be having this conversation.
AU03 said:
posted on October 26, 2006 11:42 AM — 205.255.224.10 — link — abuse?
IrishJT, was this the same conspiracy that had ND #2 in the AP after one week?
Also, was it this conspiracy that gave ND 9 first-place votes in the preseason coaches poll?
Until ND proves they can run the ball, and that defend a vertical passing game, people are going to be skeptical of them, as I am. Against teams with questionable defenses they will probably win, but the only good defense they played all year (Michigan) smoked them.
TommieTrojan: Bravo!
posted on October 26, 2006 12:02 PM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?War Eagle Atlanta said:
Hey Irish, you got it all wrong. Southern teams don't like you because you play a weak schedule every year and take all the glory when you have a decent record. Try playing an SEC schedule, for instance. You would get more respect if you played in the Big Ten and proceeded to win then. Instead, you fatten up on service academies and an occasional regional team. The only decent competition you play annually is Southern Cal and Michigan State. Of course you won't join the Big Ten, I mean Big Eleven, oops, then would be the Big Twelve (Sorry, that name is taken) Hell, call it the "Big Midwestern Teams Featuring Notre Dame". You won't join them because of your lucrative independent TV contract with NBC. (Notre Dame Broadcast Service) I'd respect you if you just played all the regional powers more often. Something's fishy when Notre Dame has played GA Tech (32 times) almost as often as Michigan (33 times)and has virtually NEVER played Ohio State (whopping 5 times) Play with some of the other big boys now and then and maybe the rest of the country will at least respect you if they can't like you!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on October 26, 2006 12:43 PM — 206.135.38.217 — link — abuse?
Austin:
Yeh, I think that California has a chance to beat USC - I just don't think that it is likely. This is the best California team in a few years - and it may be the weakest USC team in the last few years. Everything that I have looked at would have So Cal favored by between one and seven points if they played today. If USC starts to improve, which they usually do in the 2nd half of the season, then that spread will widen. Also, USC has a history of showing up for "Big Games" and California does not. Evidence, again, California's crushing defeat to Tennessee in their season opener. Cal has also lost a couple of Bowl games recently that they probably should have won. The 28-14 defeat to Texas Tech a couple years back was a disgrace - after they pined so hard to get into the Rose Bowl. So, does California finally show up and take a "Big game"? I'm not so sure. They have no history of it. They have talent, but until they learn to win those games, they will not be favored in them.
Tommie T
CFB_CRZY said:
posted on October 26, 2006 3:13 PM — 72.165.136.4 — link — abuse?
Wow JZNole, your rankings suggest that the AU FL game doesn't count [ a tie (thats not how the game ended)! Granted AU lost to an unheralded program Arkansas, but Arkansas hasn't played their toughest games yet (SC, T, and LSU). I don't think they get through it without a couple of losses! Auburn didn't show up against Ark, and deserves to have fallen in the polls but they made the most of beating a team when they had to. And thats what you should credit for!
wareagle524 said:
posted on October 26, 2006 3:23 PM — 63.162.187.114 — link — abuse?
The only questions charlie weiss has about cheeseburgers are: 1)Why they taste so good, 2) why three of them are not in front of him at the moment.
Maybe he could get Lee Corso over there to give him some coaching pointers...everyone knows lee corso was an awesome coach...look what he did for IU 41-68-2!
Next week....Charlie Weiss, perplexed by doughnuts..."where's the middle?"Tommie Trojan said:
posted on October 26, 2006 4:35 PM — 206.135.38.217 — link — abuse?
Keith T. Ziegler:
What are you talkin' about? During the (51-2) streak, USC has lost to Texas (13-0) and California with nine or ten wins? I think that they are undefeated against weak teams. What do you think? Is there a point? You don't see Pete Carroll whinin' about slipping to 3rd after lackluster wins over Washington State, Washington and Arizona State. He's probably got a clue as to why they might have slipped to 3rd. He had a week off also when they slipped to 3rd and didn't cry about it. Is this your point? USC knows that after they beat Oregon, California, Notre Dame and UCLA - that they won't have to beg for a particular ranking. It'll all be settled by then.
Tommie T
wareagle524 said:
posted on October 26, 2006 4:44 PM — 63.162.187.114 — link — abuse?
Next on College Gameday:
"Charlie Weis feels that the south doesn't like Notre Dame in regards to how ND staying as an independent team was the sole reason the Civil War was fought."
Charlie Weis was also quoted as saying,"I wasn't really mad that they jumped us while eating cheeseburgers, I was mad they didn't give me seconds!"
GO PLAY NAVY AGAIN! THAT WILL MOVE YOU UP IN THE RANKINGS!!!!!
SEC 4 EVER!
easternfan said:
posted on October 26, 2006 4:46 PM — 67.72.98.93 — link — abuse?
Glad to see eveyone agrees about Irishjt, the dude's just plain, old fashioned, rude. It's one thing to be biased about your team, another to be totally unrealistic. Go Navy, go USC!!! Even though a USC win would cost WVU, I don't freakin' care! 1. OSU 2. Mich 3. USC 4. WVU 5. FL... 18. ND. seems about fair to me.
JZNole said:
posted on October 26, 2006 4:48 PM — 12.177.80.3 — link — abuse?
CFB_CRZY - The fact that Florida lost a close game, on the road, against a REALLY good team, possibly because of some bad calls, makes their 1-loss look a whole lot better than Auburn getting killed by an unranked team at home!!!! You can't just ignore that game. (Think back to 2000 when FSU - instead of "The U" - wound up playing OU, because FSU had the "better loss"). Thats why I had them tied in the 4-spot. It really doesn't matter where they're ranked now though, the next 5 weeks will settle everything. I'd bet on either Auburn or UF losing 1 more game, we'll see!
It'll be interesting though to see if Arkansas manages to finish 7-1 in the SEC, goes to the championship game and somehow beats Florida. Would that be Auburn's best shot at getting a piece of the OSU-Michigan winner?
M GO BLUE said:
posted on October 26, 2006 5:04 PM — 216.46.212.54 — link — abuse?
SECROCKS,Vandy put up more of a fight than ND? ND scored 21,not 7,and although they alowed more points,Michigan was actually trying to beat ND.
Looks like Vandy has done much better in the SEC.At Michigan - L - 7-27
At Alabama - L - 10-13
Arkansas - L - 19-21
At Mississippi - L - 10-17
At Georgia - W - 24-22
S. Carolina - L - 13-31Conf. Change much every year,so you really don't know which conf. is the best allround untill the end of the bowl season.
And just for the record-
2005 Capital one bowl - Wisconsin 24 Auburn 10
Conf. 2005 BCS bowl record.
Big Ten 2-0
Big 12 1-0
Big East 1-0
Pac Ten 0-1
SEC 0-1
Acc 0-1
ND 0-1It's very hard to say which conf. was toughest unill the end of the bowl season. Who Cares?
#1CollegeFootballFan said:
posted on October 26, 2006 5:36 PM — 66.145.249.87 — link — abuse?
wareagle524 (#27)
In this weeks (as of Oct. 22) Sagarin Rankings, has Navy at #39.
I would say that is much better than some of the schools on Auburn's schedule this year like:
Arkansas St. - #105
Tulane - #113
Buffalo - #173Also, love how you have 8 home games this year and your 4 road games are in conference play.;-)
Reality said:
posted on October 26, 2006 6:35 PM — 216.57.43.178 — link — abuse?
Come on you guys, are you really that blind? I feel bad for you that you all actually believe that the best teams should get the bowls. Wake up my friends, everyone knows it's a business and it's not your, mine or anyone's fault but the people who run the show. Notre Dame gets all the press and good bowl games because they bring in the money. Now, you can't fault ND for that and if you do you're a fool. ND is being chastised because they have the greatest football tradition in the nation. You act like ND is playing some game behind your backs where they're slipping money into the pockets of the bowl selectors in order to land a big game. ND doesn't ask for the press and fame, the media gives it to them. They are simply beaten and battered by opposing fans because when the media and bowl people look at the Irish, they see $$$. Sorry but unfortunately that's the way the world works and I don't see ND holding a press conference anytime soon apologizing for having the greatest football tradition in the country.
volstrike3 said:
posted on October 26, 2006 6:53 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
Charlie needs to worry about winning every week. I would not be shocked if they dropped a game before they got pounded by USC to end the season.
I do not understand why anyone cares about the ranking midseason, the last ranking is the only one that counts. At the end of the year, nobody knows who was ranked 7th, 8th or 9th during week 8 of the season.
Regardless of rankings, there are really only a few teams I would be worried about playing and they are OSU, Mich, USC, LSU, FLA, AUB and Clemson.
Mooka said:
posted on October 26, 2006 7:27 PM — 68.107.102.29 — link — abuse?
Really Reality:
Teams should not get a shot at the best bowls be/c of tradition. They should earn a spot. If we went off tradition let's just give a big bowl to Alabama, ND, USC, Michigan every single year and call them the BCS bowl games while we have the real Championship played elsewhere.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on October 26, 2006 7:31 PM — 206.135.38.217 — link — abuse?
Reality:
You are right. Notre Dame has the highest rated program in history. They have the highest winning percentage in history. They have had many, many tremendous teams. They hold a 22-21 edge over my beloved Trojans over the last 40-50 years or so. They are usually a real good team. And, they are real good this year also.
But, with a precious few BCS invites, people just want to see the best ten teams play in those five games. That money gets other program things that they need to upgrade their facilities also. That money is precious to every school. Yes, Notre Dame packs em' in. But, that should not be the "bottom line" in choosing who will play in the Top Bowl games. That is BS to most of us. It is reality though - and, you can't expect that other football fans will be happy about. USC does get the same kind of preferential treatment on occasion. But, USC would never get to a BCS bowl with three losses or something like that. And, if they did get there they would make sure that they won the game (ie: Iowa in 2002).
That is the big complaint, that nobody feels that Notre Dame is that superior this year, to warrant the high rankings that they are receiving. It simply is not fair to all of the other teams who play hard also. It does not matter that Notre Dame is popular. It matters how good their team really is in any particular year. But, your right about the money. And, that's what bothers people the most. And, when Charlie Weis starts cryin' over some kinda injustice - well, that's just way out of line.Tommie T
VOLPIMP said:
posted on October 26, 2006 7:58 PM — 208.0.27.10 — link — abuse?
IrishJT, this southern fan doesn't hate the Irish, I agree with the guy earlier that mentioned how much we enjoy playing you guys. You won the last two, we won the two before that and we split the other two if I remember correctly. Great rivalry. But being fair, you guys do play some heavies, USC, Michigan and alot of other schools that are usually decent, PSU,MSU and so on. But that's not the case this year, and that's why you were jumped. Just like Cal jumped UT when the BCS came out, some of the teams we played have crappy records and it hurt us. ND is a top 5 program all time, heck I'll even say top 3, but the Irish do get alot of favorable treatment just because they are ND. Join a conference, share your revenue like the rest of us, play an extra conference championship game that could end your teams BCS hopes. That's what we face every year in the SEC, we can go undefeated in the conference and lose the SEC championship and we are done. The Big 12, ACC and SEC have one more game to possibly lose than the rest of the Conferences. Consequently that game can help as well, it helped us in 98. If any other top program could keep ALL their TV money, bowl money and so forth without having to share it with the other conference schools they would have a monster program. With ND's resources and exposure you guys should be on top every year. Not hating here, but last years squad was much better than this years.
Irish Eagle said:
posted on October 26, 2006 9:20 PM — 69.172.130.234 — link — abuse?
What is the best team that Charlie Weis's Irish have beaten in two years (by this year's current and last season's post-season rankings)?
GTech (and even they will drop out of the top 25 this Saturday vs the U). Next best win? Navy, last year. Look it up.
Fact is, the Irish were unranked last year before they plowed through some over-ranked (as proven by where they ended up) teams. They havce lost to every good team they have played.
Sorry Charlie..
Irish Eagle said:
posted on October 26, 2006 9:23 PM — 69.172.130.234 — link — abuse?
What is the best team that Charlie Weis's Irish have beaten in two years (by this year's current and last season's post-season rankings)?
GTech (and even they will drop out of the top 25 this Saturday vs the U). Next best win? Navy, last year. Look it up.
Fact is, the Irish were unranked last year before they plowed through some over-ranked (as proven by where they ended up) teams. They havce lost to every good team they have played.
Sorry Charlie..
Irish Eagle said:
posted on October 26, 2006 9:30 PM — 69.172.130.234 — link — abuse?
What is the best team that Charlie Weis's Irish have beaten in two years (by this year's current and last season's post-season rankings)?
GTech (and even they will drop out of the top 25 this Saturday vs the U). Next best win? Navy, last year. Look it up. oh yaeh, and then there was that Michigan State loss last year too...
Fact is, the Irish were unranked last year before they plowed through some over-ranked (as proven by where they ended up) teams. They havce lost to every good team they have played.
Sorry Charlie..
(I can hear the Domers...but but they almost beat USC. They played Michigan kinda tough...)
Who has Michigan beat btw?
OU Fan said:
posted on October 26, 2006 11:01 PM — 72.161.166.39 — link — abuse?
Everyone mark my words, if Notre Dame beats USC this season, Brady Quinn will win the Heisman even though Troy Smith has far better numbers. To me, the voters are extremely bias when it comes to Notre Dame. Go Sooners! They're going to need some Sooners magic this weekend at Missouri.
A.K. Nelson said:
posted on October 27, 2006 1:08 AM — 72.36.29.150 — link — abuse?
Finally, someone here knows what he is talking about!! Reality is right. It's all about money. Bowl games are played only for money, nothing else matters. Like or not the teams that draw wherever they play will be asked to be in a bowl. If it was about who is the best team, college football would have a play off system.
TrojanHorse said:
posted on October 27, 2006 8:16 AM — 155.104.37.17 — link — abuse?
The BCS is not the ten best teams, its the two best (well at least it tries to get the two best) and then the four best other BCS conf winners which are not always the best teams like FSU last year and then when you force in a team like Boise this year assuming they run it just b/c they are in the top 14 or something like that.. again its not the best ten teams. If it was, they would just take the top ten in the BCS standings.
Reality said:
posted on October 27, 2006 8:49 AM — 216.57.43.178 — link — abuse?
Thank you A.K. Nelson. Unlike so many others here, you can actually debate a topic while adhering to the issue and at the same time refrain from making juvenile comments that have nothing to do with what the discussion is about.
gatorhippy said:
posted on October 27, 2006 12:18 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
This just in...
Southern Syndicate of Evil Sportswriters now found to be responsible for initiating devestating ND loss at the hands of the Wolverines earlier this season...
S.S.E.S. agents reportedly sand-bagged ND players with sports drinks spiked with Valium while supplying Michigan players with inside look at a stolen Weiss playbook...
Also, S.S.E.S. agents claim to be responsible for global warming in an attempt to shorten the lifespan of the planet and there by effectively spoiling any long term plans by ND to strengthen it's glorius tradition...
After releasing this information, they reportedly dined on cheesburgers...
Scuba said:
posted on October 27, 2006 12:50 PM — 64.233.210.2 — link — abuse?
Off topic scenario, lets say for the sake of this post that Mich and OSU are undefeated at the end of the year. Mich then beats OSU by 3 or less. Do you think there would be any chance that the polls would have 1)Mich, 2)OSU?
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on October 27, 2006 9:56 PM — 206.135.38.217 — link — abuse?
GatorHippy:
Hey, thanx for the heads up on that "Global Warming" thing. I've been trying to figure that one out for the last few years. I had no idea that the idea was to kill the planet to keep Notre Dame from winning any more games. But, you know, it really does make perfect sense. When you think of some of the miniscul problems going on in the world today, like global terrorism and the threat of 3rd world countries developing nuclear weapons (none of which I thought was worth wiping out the planet over), the importance of Notre Dame really dwarfs these other issues. I can clearly see how the NSA might have wanted to form the S.S.E.S. in order to combat the threat that Notre Dame has become on college football. Who cares if we lose our borders or our National Sovereignity - as long as we can keep Notre Dame from scourging the earth like a gaggle of locust. That God that the S.S.E.S. has been formed!
Tommie Trojan
HogFan1 said:
posted on October 28, 2006 1:36 AM — 69.254.180.189 — link — abuse?
Weis should be mad. I mean he might not have blown any teams out, but he is still winning. Yes, the Irish should be blowing teams out. Especially when they got the future #1 pick Brady Quinn, and probably the best coach in college football. They are getting screwed. I still think they will finish ahead of those two teams, but for the time being the Irish are getting punished for winning ball games.
joekidd said:
posted on October 28, 2006 3:35 PM — 74.226.33.169 — link — abuse?
I'd imagine someone was getting sick of seeing ND's annual "Get Blown Out in their Bowl Game".
Maybe ND would have a chance in their bowl (Or maybe we should call it BLOWL game in ND's case) games if they were actually rated where they should be.
Steve said:
posted on October 28, 2006 7:49 PM — 66.202.7.170 — link — abuse?
The point is that the SEC is a horrible football conference. Arkansas is the best team in the conference and they were destroyed by USC. Tenn was lucky to beat an Air Force team with a losing record. SEC champion Georgia was blown out by West Virginia in the Sugar Bowl last year. The SEC is all hype.
Luke said:
posted on October 28, 2006 8:25 PM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?
No one will agree with you that the SEC is a "horrible football conference." Maybe you could have a reasonable argument for why they aren't the best, but once you say they are horrible you throw the little credibility you have out the window. And also, arkansas is def not the best team in the SEC. Why don't u include some wins the SEC has on there against other conferences.
GA Boy said:
posted on October 28, 2006 8:56 PM — 66.110.197.20 — link — abuse?
Steve, I don't normally stoop this low, but you are about stupid. GA was not blown out last year by W VA. Maybe the 1st quarter was a blow out, but we almost came back and won that game. W VA has a good football team. Who's your team anyway? I am not arguing that the SEC is the best conference, but don't make an idiotic statement about my DAWGS like that.
Croco said:
posted on October 28, 2006 10:44 PM — 64.193.65.74 — link — abuse?
If memory serves me right, isn't Charlie Weis a Notre Dame grad? I can definitely tell because of all the whining he's been doing as of late because the Irish is without a doubt THE most overrated team in the country. They barely beat Georgia Tech, UCLA and Michigan State(which is sad considering it's, well, Michigan State), and the only game against an elite team, they get embarrassed at home against Michigan. Forget about the BCS and definitely forget about Brady Quinn even being mentioned in the Heisman race...now I'm waiting for the second most overrated team to be dismantled in their house by the Wolverines this year. That's right, I'm talking about Ohio State...who have they beaten this year besides Texas? Either a bunch of second-rate cupcake programs or teams reeling after defeats; the only exception I can see is Iowa. We'll see just how good the Lucky Bucks are when they get stormed by the Maize and Blue in Columbus.
And Steve, I'd have to aruge against you and say that the SEC is the best overall football conference right now. Sure the Big Ten has the two best teams in the country but the SEC has eight teams with one or two losses, and all in conference play except for the Hogs getting blown away by USC. I dare you to say that the SEC is all hype when you see parity like that...and with the Trojans going down, I'm hoping for a couple more teams to lose and all will be happy here in Florida Gator country.
GO BLUE - GO GATORS
Tomcat said:
posted on October 29, 2006 11:28 AM — 69.151.96.63 — link — abuse?
Hey guys stick to the disscussion on the Thread.
Steve you and So-Cal need to go to the anti-SEC blog aka we love trojans at Beavers Rule .comm
Coach Weis does not have any reason to whine, he needs to visit Bob Stoops and Mike Leach they are professionals. Hookem-HornsSmokeyWillTakeYourLifeAway said:
posted on October 29, 2006 7:47 PM — 24.95.122.149 — link — abuse?
Ok,
I guess everyone has seen the new bcs polls that are out. Lets play a game. Try and pick the one loss team that doesn't match.
A. Florida who lost to #6 Auburn
B. Auburn who lost to #13 Arkansas
C. Notre Dame who lost to #2 Michigan
D. Texas who lost to #1 Ohio State
E. USC who lost to UNRANKED Oregon State
F. California who lost to #11 Tennessee
G. Tennessee who lost to #4 FloridaHmmmm...which one doesn't belong?
Could it be D. USC
Ding Ding Ding
A young child could get that right. Why can't the BCS. USC should be the last ranked one loss team of this group. The only reason they get to keep a top ten rankings is because they are media darling s year in and year out. You better cherish this ranking though trojan fans, because Cal has got something for that ass in a few weeks.
VOLS FOR LIFE
Mooka said:
posted on October 29, 2006 11:24 PM — 68.107.102.29 — link — abuse?
Smoke,
I was watching ABC sports news and it was really funny seeing their expression as they were reporting. They were watching the end of the game and when USC didn't convert they really looked like they were gonna cry and sadly reported,"Well, USC didn't convert and the game is over. Oregon St. has won the game." Pretty funny. You are right though, these so called "experts" got another thing comin. USC lost to an unranked Oregon St. team and their tough games are still to come.
USC IS WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!
O-Town Brian said:
posted on October 30, 2006 5:30 AM — 65.115.141.154 — link — abuse?
SmokeyWill....maybe you have some strong points and maybe USC are media darlings; however, they still deserve the respect like....
38 game regular wins finally snapped according to ESPN.
27 or 28 straight PAC-10 wins.only 3 losses the last 3 YEARS!!!
out of those 3 losses, they lost by a combined score of only 8 points!!!
Let's face it, all teams are going to have a bad day sooner or later and it happened to USC against an unranked Oregon State team. But let's get off of USC already and turn the page.
I'm not a big USC fan but whenever they play and beat top ranked oponents from other conferences there are always excuses to why they win. For example...
USC beats Michigan for a share of the 2003 NC.
prior to the game....I remember everyone was saying that Michigan was the best 2 loss team in the nation....after USC handles Michigan with ease in that game, critics then contend that Michigan wasn't all that good although they were Big 10 Champs.Against Oklahoma in 2004 BCS game. Everyone I knew said that Oklahoma would destroy USC. Result....USC destroys OU.....football critics say then that OU wasn't as good as advertised and Auburn deserved to play USC and would have beaten them. To be honest, although Auburn rightfully deserved a shot to play USC in the BCS that year, I don't think Auburn would have done much to them....didn't USC also beat that same squad at Auburn in the 2003 season. If I remember correctly, Auburn was shut out in that game too.
And to think that others said that Auburn and OU should have played that 2004 BCS game instead of USC....please,...that game would have been absolute BCS disaster if that possibly would have happened.
And last year....as we all know, Texas beat USC in the BCS Championship game that took Texas all 60 minutes to win that game, which in my opinion was the best BCS Championship game to date. Are you going to tell Texas fans that their win over a media darling USC team didn't mean anything last year because of USC's hype.
I have no problem if you hate USC man....I agree that USC is not as good as they were last year. But all of those teams up there that you placed up there, I'm sure USC would play a respectable game against any of those programs win or lose. One thing I won't take away from USC and I'm not a lifelong fan of their program. But with me looking in from the outside, that program has displayed TOUGHNESS!!! during their run. Even the loss to Oregon State, they could have tanked that game when it was in doubt, but they fought hard and still nearly had a chance to win that game. Heart of Championship caliber program "man" even in defeat....Get over it!
IrishJT said:
posted on October 30, 2006 8:51 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Croco,
Brady Quinn...the best QB in the country...won't even "be mentioned" in the Heisman race? You must be watching your local channels too much...because that's all anyone is talking about. Troy Smith's #s are just too average. If he stumbles just a little, he's out!Charlie is whining? Is it really lost upon you the possibility that southern/west coast coaches and writers were born and raised HATING the Irish? Is is additionally lost on you that the more SEC/BIG12/PAC10 teams that are in the Top 12 from a given conference, the more likely it is that that conference could get 2 or 3 bids to BCS bowls? These coaches despise Notre Dame because of their standards and because quite frankly they were raised to AND they now have a financial stake in how many teams from their conference are ranked in the top 12. They have MILLION$ of reason$ to keep the Irish out of the top 12 (i'm guessing they are all betting, or were, that ND would lose to USC. If ND is ranked #6, they probably drop to 11 or 12 and can still get a BCS bid. If they are 11 when they lose, they are out of the Top 12 and playing in the Gator Bowl.). By the way, computers have ND ranked #5...so they are UNDER-ranked according to the computers.
This is what Charlie is really saying...Who the f#ck are these chicken sh#t coaches who don't want their votes disclosed until the final game of the season? Why do you think that is?
I just explained it to.
IrishJT said:
posted on October 30, 2006 9:08 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Alright, once and for all...I sense that some of you need to chew on some FACTS because most of you seem to walk around all day with your a$$ on your shoulders. According to AP voters, their logic is:
TEXAS: When Texas lost to Ohio State, they were ranked #2. The were THRASHED by the Buckeyes and dropped to the bottom of the Top 10. They are now ranked #4 in the AP...having struggled against several unranked teams.
AUBURN: The #2 Tigers lost to an unranked Arkansas team at home. They fell to #11 (roughly). They then, after beating Florida, shot back up as high as #3 and are now ranked #6.USC: The #2/#3 Trojans lost to an unranked Oregon State team. They fell to #8 in the BCS and #9 in the AP
TENNESSEE/CAL: Despite close games against unranked teams, both have managed to remain hanging around the Top 10. Tenn #8; Cal #10
NOTRE DAME: They lost to the BCS computer #1, BCS #2, AP #2 in the second week of the season. They have since won some exciting games and locked in a couple of blowouts (much like Cal, Auburn, Texas, USC, Tenn...)! The Irish have not moved up one spot in the AP.
Those are the facts. Those are the AP biases. That is why Charlie has a point.
(By the way, the Super Bowl rings comment is intended to showcase that a guy with that many rings doesn't whine...he doesn't speak at all without having a damn good point.)
IrishJT said:
posted on October 30, 2006 9:11 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
As an example of being "RAISED HATING NOTRE DAME BECAUSE OF ITS STANDARDS & TRADITIONS", I offer post #55 as a great example:
jimmy says:
posted on October 28, 2006 05:48 PM — IP: 65.12.34.61 — link
those catholics cry about everything.I rest my case.
Andrew R said:
posted on October 30, 2006 9:55 AM — 24.73.180.194 — link — abuse?
What did they put in those Cheeseburgers in Florida? They beat a weak Georgia team that also lost to Vandy and they move up 2 in the BCS, jumping the team that beat them. Got to get one of those cheeseburgers. The Secret is out Urban Myth, don't expect Cheeseburgers to work this weekend against Vandy.
Luke said:
posted on October 30, 2006 11:05 AM — 209.251.132.34 — link — abuse?
Don't jump to conclusions. Florida will easily beat vandy this weekend. Florida was up 21-0 until chris leak got a concussion and only threw for 46 yards in the 2nd half. Anyway, emotions run high in rivalries and Georgia probably played its hardest vs its most hated opponent.
Also, if WV or Louisville plays in the national championship they will get blown out by either Michigan or Ohio State. I hope that isn't the case or else it won't be much of a game to look forward too. Too bad it couldnt be Michigan vs Ohio state in the championship instead of the regular season
SmokeyWillTakeYourLifeAway said:
posted on October 30, 2006 12:25 PM — 141.225.111.81 — link — abuse?
O-Town Brian,
You are right. I do hate USC. But I never said that I didn't respect them. I actually think that they are the best team of this decade. You have to understand, though, that their great records and streaks of wins are completely irrelevant to THIS YEAR!!! Am I honestly supposed to believe that voters should take into account a team's history into account when deciding their ranking.
38 game regular wins finally snapped according to ESPN. WHO CARES
27 or 28 straight PAC-10 wins. WHO CARESonly 3 losses the last 3 YEARS!!! WHO CARES
out of those 3 losses, they lost by a combined score of only 8 points!!! WHO CARES
The fact of the matter is that USC lost to the worst team out of the one loss teams, and therefore they should be at least out of the top ten. And they should defintely be behind the mighty Vols!!!!
VOLPIMP said:
posted on October 30, 2006 1:58 PM — 208.0.27.10 — link — abuse?
Smokey unfortunately last year does play into these polls. The pre season polls are influenced alot by the previous year, and this does help or hurt alot of squads in the polls. Irish JT, you have to separate the stupid guys in here from the real football fans, there are smart, objective bloggers, just ignore the homers and chat with the ones who will discuss things rationally with you. As far as ND goes, maybe you have a point, THIS time, but you can't argue the fact that the Irish get favorable treatment more often than most teams. In my opinion, they should join a BCS conference if they want to be in the mix. The whole Independent thing you guys have going on is whack in my opinion. Other teams (Utah) who have had excellent years (Boise St) get screwed alot more than your Irish bcause of the non BCS conference shake down. Do you argue that they should be given the same treatment? If ND wants to keep all their revenue to themselves that's fine, but they shouldn't get favorable BCS treatment just because of their history in my opinion.
AllEers said:
posted on October 30, 2006 3:28 PM — 162.129.27.201 — link — abuse?
Luke,
I pray every night that WVU makes it to the NC...not just to get there, but to once again, be able to tell Big East haters to shut the $%@# up. Hopefully we meet the Big 10 this year. Maybe we'll meet up with the PAC or ACC next year and just keep rolling until all the other conference biased snots realize that the Big East is playing BCS competitive football.
Also, if WVU makes it to the NC I WILL put my money where my mouth is. After all, last year's sugar bowl pays for the plane tickets to AZ...Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on October 30, 2006 9:20 PM — 75.109.103.104 — link — abuse?
notre dame is "NOT" really good. All you USC fans are just saying that because you have to play them. Just face reality people.....USC was always overrated this year, and so is notre dame..............and that's a fact!!!
O-Town Brian said:
posted on October 31, 2006 8:02 AM — 65.115.141.154 — link — abuse?
As long as there are rankings, SmokeyWill, the past more or less does matter. Although it does indeed suck at times, it does matter. The writers and the coaches sure think it matters. Maybe you're saying who cares, but we're nothing compared to them. We're just fans.
Any team that has any type of tradition will speak of their past successes.
When the Gators ran the table in the SEC for years from the past decade, it has made the SEC to what it is today. The SEC always had the talent and now the SEC today has the best coaches within the conference. The past success of the Gators made the rest of the SEC Conference wake up.
I get it in a way that you say that you think nobody cares, but as long as this ridiculous ranking system stays in place, the past success of any program matters. Some of best recruits from elite high schools are not going to Ohio State, Michigan, USC or Florida if those teams hardly had any tradition and an a chance to win based on past success. That's the point I was making. USC lost to a poor OSU squad,...I know, but the voters gave USC the benefit of the doubt. Do I think USC deserves to be ranked in the top 10 now, probably not. However, until there is a playoff system which no one foresees, past success will always matter. Why do you think Notre Dame is crying about there rankings right now. Charlie Weiss is trying to tell the voters that "Hey...we're Notre Dame, the most storied football program in the nation, we should be ranked ahead of Florida..." That's my point.
VOLPIMP said:
posted on October 31, 2006 1:52 PM — 208.0.27.10 — link — abuse?
LMAO, gotta love it! Maybe Kevin can come up with an IQ/Football knowledge test for entry, what about it guys? If someone can't tell you their last 5 starting QB's and name at least 20 guys on their present squad they are out, bet half of us will be gone.
CheesburgerCharlie said:
posted on November 6, 2006 12:30 PM — 71.120.62.2 — link — abuse?
Here's the real deal. If Notre Dame loses on game, they will never be in a National Championship Game. I have been a Notre Dame fan for years. They have had many 1 lose seasons since '88 and NEVER made it high enough in the polls to get an NC bid. Either ND is 12-0 or no BIG SHOW.
Dawg Dodoo said:
posted on December 10, 2006 7:28 PM — 70.34.142.84 — link — abuse?
Had to comment on some of the stupid comments out there. Schedule? Notre Dame scheduled traditional powers, it is not their fault that some teams were down. Please, the SEC talks about how tough it is but they do not play each other. Vandy, Miss ST, Ole Miss, Kentucky suck.but then lets add in every directional school we can find..probably as a pay back since most of your 'student athletes' have to go the junior route before they can even get into school. Let me see UGA schedule someone out of conference, Arkansas did...got pounded...Tenn did last season got beat at ND...jealousy!
nick said:
posted on December 10, 2006 8:56 PM — 69.221.231.20 — link — abuse?
So I take it that you dont have to be a great player to win the heisman anymore. Just be an average player on a good team and its all yours. So Brady Quinn had better stats with a team that wasnt good and smith on a good team,put up less stats. Quinn had him beat by a long shot when you compare the two teams they have played this year. Then on top of that, McFadden gets second. So how does that work. If Smith won then by stats, which is how the Heisman is picked, then Quinn should of got second. Blows me away. Well congrats on the heisman there smith, AKA the next Jason White, Eric Crouch, Charlie Ward. Hope you enjoyed New York this time because the next time you will be there for a while waiting to hear your name call because you will be a third round pick at best. And to all the Irish haters, especially the gator fans lets not go there.Lets look at that rugged SEC schedule( So Miss 8-5,C Florida 4-8,Kent 7-5,Bama 6-6,overated Georgia 8-4,Vand 4-8, squeeked by SC 7-5,a awful FSU AND TO TOP IT ALL OFF, A DIV 2 TEAM ARE U KIDDING ME. ENOUGH SAID ABOUT SCHEDULE STRENGTH.
Gatorboy40 said:
posted on January 4, 2007 2:04 AM — 138.163.160.41 — link — abuse?
LSU 41, and Notre Dame 14. That will be the ninth straight bowl loss. Why isn't SuperBowl Charlie making it happen. Welcome to the (SEC) Charlie.
Damn Charlie, are they really that good,,,or you that bad, WHICH ONE?
(IrishJT) What happen to the mighty Brady Quinn, you stated in paragraph 71, that he was the best QB in the country. I guess he is the best in the country, with not ONE BOWL win, in his entire 4 year college career,,,,,HUH, Imagine that.
EER10 said:
posted on January 4, 2007 9:35 AM — 129.71.238.253 — link — abuse?
Everyone knew it would be the only BCS Bowl with a BEAT DOWN !! NOTRE DAME should not have been in it and the entire country knew it. I am sorry about my 73-10 perdiction. I was a little off.
I would have liked to see a healthly West Virginia team face LSU in the Sugar, or Wisconsin/Rutgers team.
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C-DOGG said:
posted on October 25, 2006 9:25 PM — 24.131.224.89 — link — abuse?I don't blame you Coach Weis. I'm sure there is a $100K BCS Bowl Bonus in your contract. Can you blame the guy?