November 19, 2007
Saban wins argument with himself
The highest paid head coach in college football may have lost to the lowest paid coch in college foobtall on the field, but Alabama Head Coach Nick Saban can hold his head high knowing that he won an argument with himself on Saturday.
Saban, who had suspended star WR DJ Hall for a violation of team rules, over-rode his own suspension during the Louisiana-Monroe loss - inserting the suspended Hall into the game.
Ian Rapport of the Birmingham News asked Saban about why he played Hall despite the suspension.
I asked Saban post-game if receiver DJ Hall was suspended for 30 minutes from the beginning. As in, was it a game suspension that turned into a half suspension?"It was what it was," he said.
So, I asked, a half suspension?
"What it was," Saban said.
Wow. Just... wow.
Comments:
TampaGator said:
posted on November 19, 2007 12:39 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
I'd be pissed if FSU lost to LA Monroe before our big game. You lose that one, and you look pretty much as bad as they do.
Oh Nicky boy; you and the Dolphins would both be so much better off right now, had you stayed.
My $.02.
GO GATORS!!
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 19, 2007 2:27 PM — 75.120.246.143 — link — abuse?
The talk out of Tuscaloosa is that DJ and John Parker got into a shouting match during a practice last week and that DJ was given a short suspension.
Anyone have any thoughts as to why DJ was standing on the sidelines in full uniform if he was suspended for the entire game? It seems to me that if he were suspended for the whole game he wouldn't have dressed out. And yeah, it was senior day. But, even with it being senior day, if he was suspended he could just go out there in street clothes and get his accolades before the game then leave the field.
Just my thoughts.
TE
posted on November 19, 2007 2:45 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse?
said:
Shyrone Carey was suspended for the Sugar Bowl back in 2004, yet he was dressed out for the entire game...The one he actually sat out the entirety of...
That was the National Championship Game, by the way...SHA, you do remember who our coach was back then, don't you?
This one stings, don't it? LSU was understandable...MSU, a tad harder to swallow...But, ULM? The Indians?
Whew...That's a MIGHTY stench wafting out of Tuscaloser since Saturday Night...
What the heck was up Saturday? What was the deal? Seriously, SHA...Was it some sort of complete breakdown, or trick plays? I know that ULM put up the last score in the 3rd quarter...What was up in the 4th?
Cowbell05 said:
posted on November 19, 2007 3:24 PM — 74.171.38.211 — link — abuse?
I think yall are making a bigger deal out of this than it really is. IF SHA is correct in his post #10, then it was probably over some stupid shit anyway, Saban is the one who suspended him, and he is the one who put him back in. He never said how long the suspension was. I dont see what the big deal is.
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 19, 2007 3:46 PM — 75.120.246.143 — link — abuse?
Look at the posters Cowbell05. With the exception of T-Mac they are all big BAMA haters. Doesn't bother me. After Saban has about 3 years of recruiting under his belt Alabama will kick most of their asses on the field. They know it and they're getting in shots while they can.
gatorhippy
posted on November 19, 2007 4:08 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
Ahh, yes...
Plan B has commenced with perfect execution...
Quick, while I have SHA distracted...
You guys slip some quick jabs in on Bama...
As Col. John "Hannibal" Smith always said...
"I love it when a plan comes together"...
gatorstud said:
posted on November 19, 2007 4:23 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
g-hippy...lol......truth is...we don't need to sneak.....lous. monroe just showed us that you walk right up to the front door...knock on it...and still kick their butts.....lol
and after three years w/ saban at the helm.....you better hope alabama is a better football team.....yu are so sure that they will be better.....but so did spurrier at south carolina.....i know alabama is a better coaching gig....will he get enough talent to compete....we will just have to wait and see.....
go gators...and hokies
TampaGator said:
posted on November 19, 2007 4:41 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Cowbell/#13:
Allow me to spell it out for you: the guy was suspended for the Game.
Alabama not being able to handle the mighty indians of ULA-Monroe, prompted Saban to compromise his "principles"--and let the guy play...
...and they still lost.
The big deal?
A. Saban's principles=oxymoron (that alone is worth a hell of a laugh);
B. Alabama lost to ULA-Monroe;
C. They blew the closest thing they ahd to an excuse by letting him play;
D. They still lost.
OH the humiliation...
GO GATORS!!PS-did I mention I like Alabama? Frankly, it was kind of embarrassing for all of the SEC...but it's still funnier'n hell!!!
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on November 19, 2007 4:52 PM — 143.127.131.4 — link — abuse?
Wow!! I didn't know I was a "Bama hater", but I suppose SHA is in a better position to judge than I am. Guess I'll have to take back any nice things I've said about the Tide.
Note to SHA: Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean everybody is not against you.
posted on November 19, 2007 4:54 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?War Eagle Atlanta
said:
I hope Alabama comes to Auburn Saturday with their tail still tucked between their legs. What those not associated with the teams don't realize is that there is a good history of the team with the sub-par season playing the game of their lives in the Iron Bowl.
Not that Auburn's season has been anything other than mediocre, but Alabama has lost their last three games and their season has lost the luster they thought they had obtained earlier in the year.
If there's one thing that could make all the pain go away for Alabama, it would be a victory over Auburn.
Let's see if we can't make the pain persist for a little longer.
posted on November 19, 2007 4:55 PM — link — abuse? said:
SHA - Saban suspended him. The university noted IN THE ANNOUNCEMENT (linked above) that he would be allowed to dress because is was Senior Day & he should participate in the pre-game.
For the record, I am not a Bama hater. I'm one of the guys that said the SEC should take notice because the Tide was turning, so to speak.
Spartacus
posted on November 19, 2007 5:00 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
Rusty:
Sounds fair enough. But, man has this been a crazy year. I had just openly spouted my mouth off about how Oklahoma would stomp Texas Tech. Sheeeit! I've probably missed on half of em' this year (well, at least against the line). I don't think anything is etched into stone anymore. Probably the safest bet to place, is that Ohio State has the best shot to play in the NC game, because they can't lose anymore! Ican see Missouri beating Kansas and Oklahoma beating Missouri (again) and even West Virginia losing to Syracuse and LSU losing to Arkansas or Tennessee or Georgia and the only one loss team left being Ohio State. Too insane to be real? Hope so!
Tommie Trojan
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 19, 2007 5:00 PM — 75.120.246.143 — link — abuse?
War Eagle seems that we have some things in common. We're tied with you for 2nd place in the SEC West and Auburn also came home with their tails between their legs after a humiliating 25 point loss in their last game. It’s hard to tell which team had the longer faces.
OU-Ron
posted on November 19, 2007 5:04 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
SHA, just seemed funny for you to rag on another team for losing(championship hopes or not) and your team just lost to ULA-Monroe, hell their Coach only makes $ 130,000 per year. Seems your mouth is pretty damn big with your foot in it....
TampaGator said:
posted on November 19, 2007 5:04 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Sweet Home:
"...# 23 where are you getting your information? You seem to have your finger on the pulse of things at the Capstone..."
No, genius; I had my finger on my mouse, and I clicked on the link--stealthily lodged in the blog article itself--and then I clicked.
_____________________________________________My man, I was serious about changing your handle (for confessing to thinking that Crimson Tide--a moniker in popular use for over 60 years, was inspired by a movie that came out in the 1990's).
...now you're wandering around with paranoid delusions, about how we're all out to getcha?
Good thing you held out until this thread, so as not to taint your new handle....
...hey, after ULAM loss--you might consider changing allegience as well.
GO GATORS!!Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 19, 2007 5:05 PM — 75.120.246.143 — link — abuse?
I agree with you Kevin. If it was a game suspension then he shouldn't have been put in. Not like they were trying to win with him though. John Parker only threw to him 3 times for 32 yards.
If it was as the radio here is reporting a shouting match between quarterback and receiver I don't think that it should have been a suspension anyway.
I am not including you in the Bama hater group. They know who they are. You have been fair to the Tide this year.
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 19, 2007 5:09 PM — 75.120.246.143 — link — abuse?
#35 Stop for happy hour on the way home?
"My man, I was serious about changing your handle (for confessing to thinking that Crimson Tide--a moniker in popular use for over 60 years, was inspired by a movie that came out in the 1990's)."
I made no such statement. Nice try though.
TampaGator said:
posted on November 19, 2007 5:13 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
You in last 'bama thread:
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 13, 2007 5:58 PM — 75.120.246.143 — link
How do you equate a football team in Tuscaloosa with Gulf waters?First thing that comes to mind for me is Crimson Tide the movie. Just shows how people think differently.
*******************************************
Not much effort needed with you--that's why I suggested changing your handle.Happy hour sounds good!
GO GATORS!!TE
posted on November 19, 2007 5:14 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
So, the BAMA Haters know how to click links, call a spade a spade, and you're the one who wasn't aware what your own coach handed down discipline wise, but we're being unfair to your program out of blind hatred and "we jusut want to get our shots in"?
How are those four million dollar clothes your new emperor's wearing?
This is the point in the conversation where you should just back away from the keyboard...
Go check my statement from 1:58am on Saturday night...I had just gotten in from my best friend's wedding...Hadn't done anything other than heard the final of the LSU game, since his wedding started at 6pm central, and we did it up afterwards till late...
That game was an obvious aberration...You were looking ahead to Auburn...It happened once here to, when we lost to UAB in our first year...
We came out the next weekend and beat Tennessee in overtime with our backup quarterback playing on one knee...
But, we're all haters, SHA...We're all here hating just to hate...Nothing to do with your own 'tude or blind ignorance of your own coach's printed, published decisions...
posted on November 19, 2007 5:15 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Sweet Home: I'm not trying to rub in this weekend's loss, but since you mention it, there's a lot less shame in losing to a #10 ranked Georgia team than failing to show up for Lah Monroe...
And under Tubs the last few years, Auburn doesn't lose 2 SEC games in a row.
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 19, 2007 5:18 PM — 75.120.246.143 — link — abuse?
"First thing that comes to mind for me is Crimson Tide the movie. Just shows how people think differently."
You're fighting a losing battle, no where did I or will I ever state that the Alabama Crimson Tide was named after a movie. What part of "First thing that come to mind for me is Crimson Tide the movie", did you not understand?
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 19, 2007 5:22 PM — 75.121.66.13 — link — abuse?
WEA I just thought that a 25 point loss to even the number 1 team would be a tail tucking loss. You can't possibly be proud of their performance expecially since so many Auburn fans thought they would actually win.
TampaGator said:
posted on November 19, 2007 5:47 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Sweet Home;
You conveniently cut out the first part of the quote:
"...How do you equate a football team in Tuscaloosa with Gulf waters?..."
In reply to Gatorhippy's equating "Crimson Tide" to oceanic red tide.
Had you known the actual origin of the name (Gee Whiz journalism)--you wouldn't have associated it with a movie that came out 60+ years after it was in use ("...first thing that comes to mind is").
Spin it all you want...no sale.
For what it's worth, I do admire your loyalty to 'bama, and I respect that you're here fighting like a pit bull, after that loss. Just for you bud:
ROLL TIDE ROLL!
GO GATORS!!
PS: don't change your handle; I enjoy your posts!
posted on November 19, 2007 5:53 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
SHA: "the last few years" I define as since the 2003 season, when Auburn turned it up a notch. But thanks for going and looking all that up.
You're really begging me to rub it in on Lah Monroe, aren't you? You want me to, by prodding me about the Georgia game. You want me to make disparaging comments about Saban, too. Don't you? Admit it!
Well, I'm not going to do it. You're too busy taking flak from 18 other guys on here--mainly Gators, so I'll leave your attention undivided for that task. Besides, I'm a bigger man that that.
I will say this, though. We Auburn guys are getting our left index finger ready. I won't call you though until we get down to the pinky...
posted on November 19, 2007 5:58 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
We should change the name of this thread to "Sweet Home Alabama takes on everybody".
Can't wait to read the bald-headed troll Paul Finebaum's column tomorrow to see the latest excuses he's making for Bama. I wonder if he's still sticking with his "Saban's in town and Tuberville better go run and hide" theory.
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 19, 2007 5:59 PM — 75.121.66.13 — link — abuse?
Tampagator, Alabama was by no means named after oceanic red tide.
When the statement was orginally made, different ones were posting what they thought of when Crimson Tide came to mind. Anyway, thanks for the Roll Tide.
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 19, 2007 6:03 PM — 75.121.66.13 — link — abuse?
WEA if this had occurred in 2005 and 2004 you would have said that you were only talking about the 2006 and 2007 seasons.
I’m sure that Kevin will create an Iron Bowl thread but looking at common opponents this year I would say that we’re pretty evenly matched.
Alabama 23 Vanderbilt 10
Auburn 35 Vanderbilt 7Alabama 41 Arkansas 38
Auburn 9 Arkansas 7Alabama 27 Ole Miss 24
Auburn 17 Ole Miss 3Miss State 17 Alabama 12
Miss State 19 Auburn 14LSU 41 Alabama 34
LSU 30 Auburn 24Georgia 26 Alabama 23
Georgia 45 Auburn 20BTW, does your hatred of Finnebaum have to do with the fact that he wrote a book titled, “I Hate Auburn”?
U. of S. C. 1978 said:
posted on November 19, 2007 8:42 PM — 97.82.188.250 — link — abuse?
"It was what it was," he said.
Hell's Bell's, he modified it a little, but he stole that line from Mr. Spurrier. The original line was, "It is what it is", in response to a question about the season three or four weeks ago.
Big Tide said:
posted on November 19, 2007 9:33 PM — 12.208.88.211 — link — abuse?
Hey, we Bama fans can take it and I agree it is right out of a "Born Loser" cartoon. The highest paid college football coach in the country loses to Mississippi State (that's bad) and then comes home and loses to some non-directional La. school in the Sunbelt conference or whatever and puts a guy into the game that is suppose to be suspended? Very bad.
Good luck this weekend War Eagle. One day we are going to have one of these Auburn vs. Alabama games that actually means something to more than SEC fans.
T-Mac
posted on November 19, 2007 10:13 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse? said:
Big Tide, relax bro!
Saban is under more of a microscope than Britney Spears and K-Fed.
He is scrutinized for everything.
T-Mac has said it all along bro.
Rome wasn't built in a day.
T-Mac will assure you that with all of the young talent at Bama and after SABAN'S players get in the games that Bama will be the Force they once were.
Big Tide, in Saban's first year at LSU they lost to University of Alabama at Birmingham!!!
Don't sweat it dogg!
TE, you are correct.
Yes, Bama is 0-2 against schools from Louisiana.
TE, WHAT IS LSU'S RECORD AGAINST KENTUCKY??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????Now, TE no need to write a book.
T-Mac just needs the LSU win loss record against Kentucky this season.
That's all.
T-Mac is curious.
T-Mac has got to check on the spaghetti.
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Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 19, 2007 11:52 PM — 75.121.66.13 — link — abuse?
T-Mac I've been saying all season that Arkansas has a chance to upset LSU. Their games are often close. The last two years LSU has won by 5 and 2 points. If McFadden gets in that secondary he can cause nightmares. Cover him and Jones picks up the slack.
I think it will be an interesting game. With Nutt leaving, the team might want to win one for the coach.
Bleed Crimson
posted on November 19, 2007 11:55 PM — 130.160.147.104 — link — abuse? said:
On the DJ Hall incident:
I have heard numerous reports of players "getting into it" with John Parker Wilson. From everyone ive talked to that knows him, (be it students or players) the guy is a complete douchebag. Rolondo McClain (MLB) body slammed JP in the locker room before the ULM game after JP asked him to turn his music off and focus on the game, McClain refused, and then JPW asked him if "he wanted to go."
Considering this, the "fight" that DJ Hall got into with JP was probably started by john parker, but im guessing that DJ Hall over-reacted. But hell id be pissed too if i had to rely on JPW for my receiving stats. If DJ had a decent QB throwing to him, hed be in the heisman race.
There must be some kinda story with our backups because it seems that nobody on the team likes JP as a person/leader. Not to mention the fact that JP is possibly the worst QB in the SEC. He has the best WR corps in the country. Most QBs would KILL to have people like DJ Hall and Keith Brown to throw the ball to.
Autigerman said:
posted on November 20, 2007 12:28 AM — 64.136.49.228 — link — abuse?
Prehaps the pressure is just getting to Saban a little.
Im pretty sure that he must have felt sure his team could afford to not have there best player for this game.
Then he must have panicked a bit and thought i better get DJ in there and try and win this one.If i were back home i could get the full scoop as i know DJs high school coach very well and they talk quite often.
However i would have to disagree with the coach if he let a suspended player play.Any time your the highest paid coach or player for that matter you will be open to all kinds of critiques.
If in two years he can turn this team around all will be forgotten but if not it could get ugly.
T-Mac
posted on November 20, 2007 12:34 AM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse? said:
BC, T-Mac doesn't believe that about JPW getting body slammed in the locker room for a second!!!
Whoever you have heard this crap from, it is all made up bullsh*t dogg.
Bleed Crimson, here is something T-Mac needs you to remember bro.
A Quarterback is only as good as his Offensive line!
BC, JPW is the worst QB in the SEC???
What are you talking about and where are you getting your information???
From an Auburn or LSU fan site???
John Parker Wilson played at Hoover High School.
He is not a punk dogg!!!
BC, do you know anything about playing for Coach P at Hoover?
When things are looking down it's easy to point fingers bro.
Don't buy into the bullsh*t.
True Alabama fans know that Saban has great things for the future.
Do not bash you're team bro.
The Tide is coming back.
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Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 20, 2007 12:59 AM — 75.121.66.13 — link — abuse?
I was told that the suspension info came from the University of Alabama. All that I can find are a couple of newspaper articles, one from Huntsville and the other from Birmingham.
John Parker holds most of the school quarterbacking records at Alabama, not something that you accomplish if you're the worst quarterback in the SEC.
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 20, 2007 1:08 AM — 75.121.66.13 — link — abuse?
This was the Tuscaloosa News take on DJ.
TUSCALOOSA | Senior wide receiver DJ Hall, the University of Alabama’s all-time receiving leader, was suspended for the first half of Saturday’s game for violation of team rules, but did play in the second half.
“It’s one of those things that a violation of team rules and policies, I’m not going to say what it is that warranted, at least, what was given,” coach Nick Saban said. “That’s all I’m going to say about that, but guys making choices and decisions that don’t put them into position to help the team is not something that lends itself to being responsible, relative to what we do in representing our team, our teammates and this institution.”
T-Mac
posted on November 20, 2007 2:04 AM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse? said:
Mad props to Brodie Croyle!
Brodie looked hella good in the Chiefs game on Sunday!
All the haters said he would never get drafted, let alone START for an NFL team!!!
Croyle had better numbers than Manning even though the Chiefs fell by a field goal.
Just think...
Put Croyle on a team with decent WR's, TE's, and a good O-Line and his potential is endless.
Congrats Brodie.
First start and did damn good!!!
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Big Tide said:
posted on November 20, 2007 7:16 AM — 69.34.227.69 — link — abuse?
Final comments before Auburn. I'm damn glad we've got Saban coaching our team because the past two weeks show that there are some underlying problems in Tuscaloosa that go beyond X's and O's. The great coaches always say its "Players not plays that win games." Well the same can be said for losing. There seems to be a negativity about these guys that really shows up when things begin to go the wrong way. Is that a lack of leadership from the upperclassmen? Regarding all the off the field problems I'd say that has to have something to do with it. Is it because most of these seniors have just experienced so many ups and downs, coaching changes, etc. that maybe they just expect the worst? Whatever the root cause, it is going to take a man with considerable coaching experience to turn this thing around and Mike Shula was not that guy. Saban will get this thing sorted out, but there are problems that he inherited that go deep in the grain and it is going to take a few recruiting classes to change attitudes about pride and respect for your teammates and playing for someone other than yourself. That's what champions do, they pick up that heavy burden and keep carrying it all the way to the finish line whether winning or losing. They don't just drop it and give up. The team that was playing in Tuscaloosa Saturday may have been beaten before they ever took the field. Like I said earlier this week, they will not be getting any sympathy over on The Plains Saturday so they better buckle up or it will get ugly.
jonsey said:
posted on November 20, 2007 10:14 AM — 167.197.127.130 — link — abuse?
it's the November curse. when is the last time alabama won a football game in november??? it's been like 3 years has it not? Seems like bama just quits the last few games. idk what it is. Bama could prolly play Hoover High and still lose. (just a joke fellow bama fans)
Spartacus
posted on November 20, 2007 10:30 AM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
Big Tide:
Some outside observations from a Trojan fan (completely impartial). I also bet football games using my own system that incorporates all the BCS computer polls and ratings (Sagarin, Colley, Billingsley, Anderson/Hester, etc.).
First off, at 6-5 and facing the real possibility of being 6-6 and not even being invited to a Bowl (although I think they will), the Tide will probably have no better record than last year. Also, Alabama's rating was dropping down to last years levels (prior to the ULM loss), which indicates that they are not even as good as they were last year. Unless Bama beats Auburn they will finish with a lesser rating than they had last year.
What does it mean? It means that Saban is not the greatest on field coach or strategest. He could not turn it all around in one year with his wonderful coaching abilities. What Saban does well is to recruit. And, he did bring Alabama a wonderful crop of recruits this year. Problem is: freshman don't win games. Therefore, the fact is: Alabama will be about 2-3 more years away from contending for the SEC title. Any expectations otherwise are not well founded.
I look for Auburn to be about a seven point favorite and probably cover the points this year. Although, there is nothing preventing the Tide from winning this game. Nick Saban is not gonna make much difference out there on Saturday - players win the games (unless your Kansas where Mangino wins the games). Those are my worthless two cents.Tommie Trojan
Gator Marine 41 said:
posted on November 25, 2007 7:03 AM — 203.82.127.211 — link — abuse?
Post 10, No big deal huh. So what do you tell all the other player at Bama?? That it depends on how good you are, in determining how long the suspension is. What about other player who sat out their entire suspenion. But it's ok, because when ULM get you on the ropes, you gotta do what you gotta do, I guess. He can't even be honest with himself. NICK IS A TRAIN WRECK!!!!!!!!!!!
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gatorhippy
said:
posted on November 19, 2007 11:46 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?LMAO...