August 19, 2007
AP Pre-Season College Football Top 25 Poll 2007
The 2007 pre-season Associated Press college football top 25 poll:
Rank--Team--LY--Votes--LY Poll
1. Southern Cal (62) 11-2 1,622 4
2. LSU (2) 11-2 1,511 3
3. West Virginia (1) 11-2 1,396 10
4. Texas 10-3 1,375 13
5. Michigan 11-2 1,371 8
6. Florida 13-1 1,276 1
7. Wisconsin 12-1 1,192 7
8. Oklahoma 11-3 1,166 11
9. Virginia Tech 10-3 1,148 19
10. Louisville 12-1 1,031 6
11. Ohio St. 12-1 876 2
12. California 10-3 790 14
13. Georgia 9-4 782 23
14. UCLA 7-6 605 --
15. Tennessee 9-4 571 25
16. Rutgers 11-2 560 12
17. Penn St. 9-4 542 --
18. Auburn 11-2 519 9
19. Florida St. 7-6 392 --
20. Nebraska 9-5 377 --
21. Arkansas 10-4 376 15
22. TCU 11-2 283 22
23. Hawaii 11-3 256 --
24. Boise St. 13-0 187 5
25. Texas A&M 9-4 162 --
Others receiving votes: Missouri 128, Georgia Tech 94, Boston College 75, Oregon 73, South Carolina 69, Miami 68, Alabama 66, Oregon St. 42, Wake Forest 40, South Florida 28, Arizona St. 17, BYU 14, Southern Miss. 12, Notre Dame 11, Virginia 7, Clemson 6, Oklahoma St. 3, Texas Tech 2, Houston 1, Kentucky 1, N.C. State 1, Purdue 1.
Comments:
hokie4life said:
posted on August 19, 2007 9:59 AM — 67.72.98.112 — link — abuse?
#1 man you really caught up on the Florida schools aren't you? Miami will blow this year as they did last. Miami had to rely on their very last leg in Shannon to take over this team. Nobody wants to coach the Blowers. Miami's reign in the top 25 is over. As it looks; FSU is falling further and further toward post top 25 status. Let's Go Hokies!
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on August 19, 2007 10:23 AM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
hokie4life:
Yeah, I'd rather follow FL schools. You know, schools that have actually won a NC. I mean, Virginia CF is an utter joke. Between both VT & UVA all you've done is won a combined 9 conference championships in your entire histories of playing football and not a single NC.
WOW, Virginia football sure is impressive.
Plus, I'm not sure you're in a position to knock Miami considering your all-time record against them is 8-16. You've lost to Miami twice as much as you've managed to beat them. Not to mention the minor detail of them having FIVE NC's and VT having... oh yeah, none. But hey, at least VT has 6 conference titles under their belt LOL.
Oh yeah, Go Hokies! LOL
Mike wvu said:
posted on August 19, 2007 10:25 AM — 208.104.235.68 — link — abuse?
EER10 As far as people crying about WVU being #3. I'll be the first. I've been a WVU fan since Jesus was in highschool and seen our eers blow up when ranked high early. Personally I would rather see them at 6th or 7th and need to work their way up. Sounds crazy but I've seen it too many times
mikeSEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on August 19, 2007 10:38 AM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
I agree with the AP's top 10.
I think UCLA is too high, maybe in the 20-25 range.
I think UGA & Tenn should be switched.
Rutgers is also too high.
WF should be ranked if Rutgers is, after all they have more people coming back I think and they had a more successful year.
Auburn going 11-2 last year in the SEC and only starting @ #18 seems low.
Again, it's not everyday you see TCU, Hawaii, & Boise State ranked ahead of UM but I'm betting that won't last long.
Zac said:
posted on August 19, 2007 11:25 AM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
I'm crying about WVU at #3, and I'm a Mountaineer. The only way they can do it is if they go undefeated. While I'd like to that as much as anyone, I don't think it'll happen. I maintain a 1 or 2 loss season with a bowl win and a ranking between 8-10. I also agree WF should be ranked, probably between 18-20; Miami should be ranked somewhere between 20-25, and as said before, don't be surprised to see FL St crack the Top 10. They may not stay there, but I'm betting they'll at least flirt with it for a while. ND is fine with me at 30 or so. I fear for our gator-mates that FL may be too high; probably closer to 12-15. A lot of the rest are too tough for me to call. But as it's been repeatedly said by many more than me, it's not how you start; it's how you finish that counts, and Jan 7 2008 is a long way away. Now for the good news: College football is less than a week away. YESSSS!!!!!
IrishJT said:
posted on August 19, 2007 11:53 AM — 71.207.207.83 — link — abuse?
Auburn could not be more UNDERrated. That team hasn't lost 10 games in the last 4 years. They play well in bowl games and have been right in the SEC West mix the last 6 years. It is unfortunate for Auburn fans how poor their PR department/Athletic Dept touts their own school. Then they wonder why a substandard, mediocre Alabama Crimson Tide program is the king of Alabama's recruiting grounds.
posted on August 19, 2007 12:48 PM — 69.73.43.23 — link — abuse?Ben Prather said:
Actually I like the simplicity of the methods used by CBS Sportsline for generating a preseason ranking.
Last years final ranking is just as good as any other in my book.
timmytomtom said:
posted on August 19, 2007 1:06 PM — 68.82.177.211 — link — abuse?
Who's crying about WVU at #3?
I'm laughing my butt off at the utter absurdity of the thought. I'm sure they will prove to be as inept as I think they are. Hype doesn't win games...is that the best the conference can come up with? But I guess an extra dollar here and there means a whole 2 dollars....LOL
Coop said:
posted on August 19, 2007 3:12 PM — 76.107.121.193 — link — abuse?
I'll say something about WVU-
Enjoy the season, after this year you guys will return to the same mediocre school they have always been. But good luck, the Big East can continue to brag about their #2 team beating up on the ACC's #5 team in the bowls!!!
mountaineerdave said:
posted on August 19, 2007 3:25 PM — 71.232.9.229 — link — abuse?
"But, assuredly, we'll be laughing if they don't back up the hype.."
No doubt about that, and you should. If the 'Eers can't capitalize on a soft opponent schedule (if not entirely easy: four of first six games on the road), then there'll be questions about Rodriguez's decisions on the defensive side of the ball. (Scoring points should pose absolutely no problem for the 'Eers, but keeping folks from scoring... another story altogether.)
Andrew R said:
posted on August 19, 2007 3:46 PM — 75.89.42.11 — link — abuse?
Ok, besides WVU and Louisville what team on Rutgers Schedule rates it a #16 spot? Too high a ranking for too weak a schedule. Even if they go undefeated they shouldn't be considered over a 1 loss PAC-10, SEC, Big 12, or Big Ten team for the BCS game...unless, of course, there was some sort of play-off system...hmmm. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed last years Rutgers games and pulled for them too. Congrats on a great season and on your #16 ranking
cardman steve said:
posted on August 19, 2007 4:47 PM — 74.131.212.190 — link — abuse?
RELAX EVERYONE! UPSETS,STUPID VOTERS,DUMB PUNDITS. LET THE GAMES BEGAN.
cardman steve said:
posted on August 19, 2007 5:25 PM — 74.131.212.190 — link — abuse?
I WOULD,T BASH THE BIG EAST TO HARD YET. S FLA IS A TRUE DARKHORSE AND PITT HAS A TON OF TALENT. IT SEEMS THE ACC AND PAC 10 GET NO LOVE AS WELL. A GOOD CONF. TO ME IS,EVERYONE HAS ATLEAST 1 TO 4 GAMES IN THE LOSS COL. BALANCE IS IMPORTANT THEN HAVING 1 TEAM BLASTING EVERYONE OR 2 AS WELL. THE ACC,PAC10 AND BIG EAST WHERE BALANCE LAST YEAR AND BIG 12 AS WELL. NO BALANCE WAS THE BIG 3 AND LITTLE 8. TAKE LSU AND THE GATORS FROM THE SEC LAST YEAR AND WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE HAD?
Zac said:
posted on August 19, 2007 5:42 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Tell me, Coop (Post 17), what bowl were you watching that matched the BE #2 with the ACC #5. If I have my story straight, WVU (#2 in the BE) played GA Tech (#2 in the ACC). They did so by virtue of a bowl tie-in to the Gator Bowl, where BE #2 plays ACC #2. That is unless there are a number of other nutty factors, like more than one BE or ACC teams makes a BCS bowl; ND is bowl eligible but doesn't make a BCS bowl; there's even a special tie-in with the Big 12, etc.
Last season Wake beat GA Tech by 3 for the ACC championship and played Louisville (#1 in the BE) in the Orange Bowl. By default, GA Tech was #2; the reason they met WVU in the Gator bowl, where GA Tech lost by 3. Now, after Clemson lost to KY, VA Tech lost to GA, BC beat Navy (by 1), FSU beat UCLA, MD beat Purdue, and Miami beat NV (by 1), if it was determine GA Tech wound up #5 in the ACC, well, that's how they wound up; that's not where they were when they played WVU. They wound up that way because WVU put em there. People keep forgetting that it takes a team beating another team for the winners to rise in the polls and losers to fall. Not to mention, I would have much rather seen WVU play a 2-loss VA Tech, than a 4-loss GA Tech, but I don't make the rules for the ACC Championship game.
As for a return to mediocrity, we haven't even played the 1st game this season and you're going to try and predict how WVU will do in future seasons? Heck, while you're at it, howz-about predicting what stocks we all should buy? Like it or not WVU has the tools, the facilities, the coaching staff, the committment from the university, and the talent improves every year. You might just as well get used to it because they're here to stay.
As for strength of schedule, the stats don't lie. Just compare years.
2006
Rivals ranks schedule 67th
5 bowl teams on schedule
7 home games
Cincy, MD, Rutgers, S FL at home
Opened season with 1-AA team
Heated rival Marshal at home
2007Rivals ranks schedule 21st
7 bowl teams on schedule
6 home games
Improved Cincy, MD, Rutgers, S FL away
Open season with 8-5 bowl team
Heated rival Marshal away for the 1st time in either school's historyCoop said:
posted on August 19, 2007 7:29 PM — 76.107.121.193 — link — abuse?
Cardman-
You take away LSU and Florida and you have Arkansas, Georgia, Auburn, Tennessee, Alabama....How would those Big East Big Dogs who play "much improved" cinncinatti, directional florida university and syracuse do having to play these guys every week????
Gator fan#1 said:
posted on August 19, 2007 8:45 PM — 74.167.168.229 — link — abuse?
Remember everyone that not 1 down has been played and we can say what we want but the end result is yet to be seen. Had we listened to the so called experts last year we wouldn't have had to play a down and just given USC the crown. Say what you want but play the season before we Crow about our teams!!!!!
Cape Cod Tom '84 Rutgers said:
posted on August 19, 2007 10:02 PM — 24.60.228.158 — link — abuse?
ANDREW post #16;
You are right. Rutgers might as well be playing high school teams. Who came up with this schedule anyway? Some of those schools on the roster aren't really even colleges.
Don't get me wrong, I love Rutgers, but let's get real here for a minute. Does Coach Schiano think the Scarlet Knights are going to impress the world by beating up on midgets?
I wonder what will happen if the Knights choke and loose to one of these midgets, like they did against Cincy last season.
This is no way to build a national contender. Grow some stones Schiano!
Buckeyes-Beat-Mich-again said:
posted on August 19, 2007 10:15 PM — 72.251.36.193 — link — abuse?
Its a little to early to get excited about the polls. I say in a couple weeks the BUCKS will be danceing in the top five. OSU will be sitting here watching them fall as we climb.
Oh Notre who ??? Lets go Bucks. How bout them Eers?shiguy said:
posted on August 20, 2007 12:03 AM — 71.61.239.60 — link — abuse?
i wish people would stop ragging on rutgers for their schedule. is it good no not really. is there something they could have done? no! common guys everyone here knows that schedules don't get planned for at least 2-5 years in the future. knowing that the schedule this year would have been made during the wonderful time that rutgers was spending being the b$tchstick of the big east. so they had a great season last year. i'm happy for them. but they're not gonna see the benefits for at least another 2 years. unfortunately they're probably suffering from the same problems that louisville and WVU have had getting ooc games. the ACC is preatty much under wraps for the Big east in terms of games so the next conference would be the SEC. louisville and WVU both asked every team in the SEC for a game, any game, any time in the future. the same responce from almost all of them "we're not interested" none would take louisville and only auburn and miss st. agreed to play WVU. sad when teams are willing to step up to the challenge of tougher teams but nobody will accept.
hrposon said:
posted on August 20, 2007 12:12 AM — 98.197.149.114 — link — abuse?
I see that Hawaii is ranked #23, 2 spots ahead of Texas A&M and 8 ahead of Miami. Hawaii has such a murderous schedule that Heisman candidate Colt Brennan could pass for 50,000 yards this season. Makes you wonder about polls...
kerry wehmeyer said:
posted on August 20, 2007 2:09 AM — 66.190.210.12 — link — abuse?
i think its pretty good were lsu is at no.2
ranking but i think it will be wideopen
they are picked to finish 1st in the sec
and have a good chance for the national
championship against usc or floridaTomcat said:
posted on August 20, 2007 3:23 AM — 207.193.30.194 — link — abuse?
What happened to UCLA over the summer?
A 6 loss team in the top 25- Okay
What happens when ?
Ok State beats UGA
KY beats Louis
Neb beats USC
Colo beats FSU
TCU beats Texas
BYU beats Arz
Tenn beats Cal
Baylor beats TCU
Are we having fun yet
Adios Tomcatcardman steve said:
posted on August 20, 2007 7:23 AM — 74.131.212.190 — link — abuse?
COOP,WITH THOSE TEAMS YOU LISTED FROM THE SEC. THE TOP DOGS FROM THE BIG EAST CAN BEAT THEM. I RESPECT THE SEC,BUT NOT EVERY TEAM IN THE SEC IS A NAT,L TITLE CONTENDER. NOT BAMA,VOLS,HOG,BULLDOGS AND MAYBE THE TIGERS. YES! I THINK THE SEC IS THE BEST AND THE BEST FOR HAVING TEAMS THAT MAY NOT BE BCS BOUND, BUT HAVING 4 TO 6 TEAMS THAT WILL GO HIGHER LEVEL BOWL GAMES. THE TOP 2 SEC TEAMS WILL BE BCS BOUND. MY POINT IS,YOU TAKE THE TOP 2 TEAMS AWAY, YOU WILL ONLY HAVE A ADVERAGE SEC. THE BIG10 WILL BE WORST AND I FEEL THE SAME ABOUT THE BIG12. I FEEL THE MORE TEAMS YOU HAVE, THE MORE CLOUT AND HAVE MORE TEAMS BOWL BOUND. IF THE BIG EAST ENDED UP WITH 6 OF THE 8 BOWL BOUND, THEN WHAT?
cardman steve said:
posted on August 20, 2007 7:30 AM — 74.131.212.190 — link — abuse?
TOMCAT! YOU SHOULD ADD S FLA OVER AUBURN. TCU OVER TEXAS AS WELL. EVEN VANDY OVER TENN AND INDIANA COULD BE BETTER IN THE BIG10. LET THE GAMES BEGAN.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on August 20, 2007 9:34 AM — 216.46.213.39 — link — abuse?
Buckeye's beat mich never again - Sorry buddy, but this year the Buckeye's are going to FINALLY lose in the Big House......But don't feel bad, you have had a nice run against Michigan........But it has to end sometime.
sirbigspur said:
posted on August 20, 2007 11:39 AM — 167.7.17.3 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy (#40),
Totally agree. Just because someone won the national championship last year doesn't give them an automatic bid for the #1 spot. To go along with that, they've lost too much talent to be considered a #1 this year anyway. I'm not saying they don't have a chance. They just have unproven talent.
Buckeye Sparks said:
posted on August 20, 2007 12:55 PM — 192.131.99.131 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy,
I agree with M GO BLUE.
First of all I hate all pre-season polls. No poll should be released until mid-October.
Who will be this years Rutgers and/or Bosie State?
Back to the point.
No matter how you slice it, Florida is the defending national champions.
Florida should be #1 until, if and/or should they lose a game this season.
Too me, this shows a lack of respect to Urban Meyer and the Florida Gators football program.
OU Sallie said:
posted on August 20, 2007 2:31 PM — 204.253.245.126 — link — abuse?
Pre-season rankings are a joke. Texas should be dropped to 20-25 because of their embarassingly pathetic schedule (and they will still have 3-4 losses). Florida should take the number 3 spot. Wisconsin is 4 and OU finishes out the top 5.
Cock'n'Fire South Carolina 101 said:
posted on August 20, 2007 2:49 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
first of all to the dude bitchin about the sec comment #36
you have got to be kidding me...there are at least 6 teams in the sec that can beat the top dogs in the big east...and some of the others like kentucky maybe...and south carolina i know for a fact spurrier wont take a loss...however on any given day any team can beat any other team...im just giving you the odds...and i know that because south carolina was 9-0 back in '81 or '82 i think and then a loss to navy took away the only NC that wouldve been...SO FAR THAT IS HAHAHAHA
and next thing about the polls i think clemson has no bussiness being ahead of kentucky after their performance in the music city bowl...also the defending national champs not in the top five? u gotta be kidding me...they may not have a NC bound team returning but they should be up to untill they prove they cant win...and south carolina at #30...WHY DOES EVERYBODY THINK THEY CANT DO ANYTHING? lee corso is gay because at gameday last yeer he was saying we sucked so bad no matter who coaches we will never win a NC but since the new century we have had 5 out of 6 winning seasons which is a HUGE improvement considering the finish of the last century being 1-10 and 0-11 seasons...spurrier is going to bring them to the top
GO COCKS!
cardman steve said:
posted on August 20, 2007 3:21 PM — 74.131.212.190 — link — abuse?
gatorhippie, Tebow is 1 tough gator. Besides USC, I know the GATORS have a ton of talent their. However,I agree with you as well. You have some holes to fill and LSU as well. THE SEC could be down this year.
GatorGreg said:
posted on August 20, 2007 3:56 PM — 24.250.236.220 — link — abuse?
I tthink six is a little more reasonable than 3. We will have a good year but a rebuilding year. Now next season, watch out! Oh and Jefferson Pilot can piss off for making me go and sweat at noon next Saturday. I was really ready to enjoy a 6:00 game.
Cane Mutiny said:
posted on August 20, 2007 4:53 PM — 65.12.247.141 — link — abuse?
Oh how I love a low pre-season ranking...Miami always destroys the competition when in the underdog role, although they are very rarely in that position. This year I bet they sneak up on everybody early on, and give the Oklahomas, Texas A&Ms and VaTechs a run for their money. Being unranked to start the season, I think the under-utilized talent on the Miami offense shows up and plays better football than last year, and the defense is more beastly than ever.
Zac said:
posted on August 20, 2007 4:55 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
Coop (Post 26), what is it with guys like you that enough is never enough. Last year’s BE non-conference schedule was bashed. A lot of our teams played traditionally competitive ACC teams, but the ACC had a “down” year; yeah heard that. They only sent 8 of their 12 teams to bowls & only won half – real bad. Some of the BE teams played 1-AA squads or teams like Buffalo. Oh, it was OK for FL, to play teams like that, at home, but FL is in the SEC; the SEC’s the greatest, blah, blah, blah; heard that too.
This year, and coming off a decent year where 5 of the 8 BE teams went to and won their bowls (Yeah, I know, against “weak” completion; heard that as well; still won em though.), this year’s combined schedule is a step up. Syracuse plays WA and is at IA; S FL plays at Auburn; that “vastly” improved Cincy squad you referred to plays OR St & San Diego St (BTW, Cincy returns 16 starters from an 8-5 bowl winning squad, that upset Rutgers and was a short INT away from upsetting Louisville at Papa Johns. Try and show a little respect.) I’m not going to further justify WVU’s schedule; it’s been done for me. Rutgers & UConn, you can complain about. Try a little respect to the rest, if you please. (Actually, as little respect Buffalo & Navy gets, they might as well join the Big East; maybe in 9 years Buffalo will be like S FL. Well, we can hope.)
Next year, WVU plays Auburn; the following year plays Auburn & CO. Syracuse has set dates with USC; Cincy has set dates with OK, and there’s more on the way. The question now remains, “Is it enough to satisfy you?” I’m guessing the answer is no, and that’s OK. Somebody has to have somebody to apply their Jack & Smack to. It might as well be the BE. Who knows, given the respect Miami’s been getting, maybe they’ll come back. Wat da ya tink, C-Dogg?
Coop said:
posted on August 20, 2007 5:48 PM — 76.107.121.193 — link — abuse?
Cardman-
Of course only two teams from a conference can go to a BCS bowl. My argument is from top to bottom the SEC is much better. And if 6 of 8 Big East schools go to a bowl, it does not mean they are better, it means there are too many bowls. A 6-6 Pitt or Cinn. team will not be the same as a 6-6 Tennessee or Arkansas.
cardman steve said:
posted on August 20, 2007 8:46 PM — 74.131.212.190 — link — abuse?
COOP, I DISAGREE WITH YOU. BESIDES YOU MISUNDERSTOOD ME AS WELL. MY POINT IS,YOU TAKE AWAY FL, LSU AND AUBURN, THE SEC IS ADVERAGE. IF YOU READ MY POST MORE FINER. I DID SAY THE SEC NEXT LEVEL TEAMS FROM 3 TO 7 ARE BETTER THAN THE OTHER 6 CONFS. I ALSO SAID THE MORE TEAMS,MORE BALANCE. 8 TEAMS COMPARED TO 12 TEAMS YOU WILL HAVE MORE WINNING TEAMS. IT WOULDN,T SHOCK ME THAT THE BIG EAST HAVE ONLY 3 WINNING TEAMS AS WELL BECAUSE YOU HAVE 8 TEAMS. MORE IS BETTER.
cardman steve said:
posted on August 20, 2007 9:43 PM — 74.131.212.190 — link — abuse?
I RESPECT THE SEC, BUT SOME OF YOU THINK NO ONE ELSE PLAYS FOOTBALL, BUT THE SEC. TOO MANY BOWLS,PERHAPS! DID THE SEC WIN ALL OF THEIR BOWL GAMES? TO BE HONEST, I SAID IN A POST , I AM NOT INTO WHAT,S THE BEST CONF. I LIKE AND DISLIKE TEAMS FROM EVERY CONF. I LOVE THE HOGS IN THE SEC, BUT I DISLIKE THE GATORS. NOT CRAZY ABOUT W VA AND PITT. I LIKE WAKE BUT I CAN,T STAND CLEMSON. LOVE USC BUT I DISLIKE UCLA. GO BUCKEYES DOWN WITH MICH. I LOVE COLLAGE FOOTBALL!!!! THE BCS SUCKS ANLONG WITH PRESEASON POLLS AS WELL. YES! I SHORTED OUT. HELL!!! I HOPE TEMPLE WINS IT ALL AND EVERYONE WOULD EAT CROW. YOU GUYS ARE GREAT. YOU KNOW HOW TO GET SOMEONE,S GANDER UP. LET THE GAMES BEGAN.
Cock'n'Fire South Carolina 101 said:
posted on August 20, 2007 10:57 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
hmm
i learned something today...i didnt know the big east had 8 teams...i didnt know any conference had that few teams
but this is what i think the sec would turn out like
SEC (EAST)
South Carolina 11-1 (7-1)
Tennessee 10-2 (6-2)
Florida 9-3 (5-3)
Kentucky 7-5 (4-4)
Georgia 7-5 (3-5)
Vanderbilt 4-8 (1-7)SEC (WEST)
Louisiana State 12-0 (8-0)
Auburn 9-3 (5-3)
Arkansas 8-4 (4-4)
Alabama 6-6 (3-5)
Ole Miss 5-7 (2-6)
Mississippi State 3-9 (0-8)so yeah the sec can get very rough at times so dont take them so lightly...that would be 9 bowl eligible teams just like last yeer...and also i predict bamas coach being fired because they didnt win a NC...because teams like that think they have to win a NC or fire their coach...and tommy bowden will no doubt be fired but hes acc
heheh so many people are gonna complain about this comment i just know it...well this is my opinion and its alot different from that poll except for LSU i think they will do good
GatorMatt said:
posted on August 21, 2007 10:16 AM — 128.227.179.134 — link — abuse?
#57-58,
I think I just got dumber(or more dumb as you would put it) from reading your butchered attempt at using the English language. Next time you type something, type it out on Microsoft word first so you can correct your mistakes. I realize this is a college football site and not an English class, but come on. It's like looking at a 1st graders finger painting
Kelsey Donnell said:
posted on August 21, 2007 12:15 PM — 205.209.233.77 — link — abuse?
Texas all the way baby.... #4 lets hook em
CW said:
posted on August 21, 2007 12:16 PM — 204.84.232.251 — link — abuse?
What!!!!!!
Here we go again putting a pac rat at the top! When will the BCS stop pandering to west coast delinquents? I sure hope the BCS has pulled the loop hole out of their computers that let the SEC pound to crap of so called #1 teams. At least I'm grateful that UCLA beat USCW... which the BCS never thought possible giving the SEC it's naturally "earned" title. I just dont understand how the pac is even in the top 20!
scott51 said:
posted on August 21, 2007 2:48 PM — 74.133.153.234 — link — abuse?
Wow Coop,
You are sure are going out there on a limb bashing the Big East like that. After all, it's never been done before. But, while you're bashing, why don't you go ahead and answer the question posed by Zac - who was that #2 BE team who played the #5 ACC team in the Bowl Game you mentioned?
By the way, I'm a long-time Louisville fan and I can promise you that we've tried to schedule any and every SEC team with no takers. Wonder why they won't schedule us?
Seeing as you know so much about both conferences, maybe you could answer that, too.
CW said:
posted on August 21, 2007 4:22 PM — 204.84.232.251 — link — abuse?
Why isn't Wake Forest in the top 20?? They went to the BCS Orange Bowl w/o a running back and a freshman QB & nearly won if it hadn't been for two bad calls! I understand their running backs are back and even better and they picked up a linebacker that's an All American? I know their not from the SEC... but they did destroy FSU at FSU with a beat up offense!
Zac said:
posted on August 21, 2007 6:35 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Coop (Post 61), take my word for it; you're doing well at both. However, I do agree with you in one area. (Don't faint; it happens occasionally.) In your Post 54, you bring out a bone of contention I have with the current system. I don't care how many teams your conference puts in the Top 10 or Top 12. (What is it, 5 or 6 BCS bowls?) If a team is ranked that high, they should go to a BCS bowl. Of course, we may all complain about which teams wind up where at season's end (Who doesn't?), but at least those teams in those positions will go where're they're most deserving.
OK, now that you've recovered over the agreement thing, you can get back to what you do best - Big East bashing. By the way, have you tried Big Easy or Big Least; can you come up with something a little different…
IBleedOrange said:
posted on August 21, 2007 7:14 PM — 71.52.46.154 — link — abuse?
Doesn't amount to much now. Step #1 - beat down Cal on Sept 1st just like last year. Only, hopefully this year we won't lose to UF by 1 point and fall back down behind the same Cal team we beat two weeks earlier with the same record.
hokie4life said:
posted on August 21, 2007 7:51 PM — 67.72.98.104 — link — abuse?
interesting tidbit of info for LSU and it's fans. Seems as though our supposed second best rated QB in the country that VT recruited is getting moved up the depth chart. Any reason to be further concerned? Maybe, maybe not? ND is starting a frosh "superstar"?
hokie4life said:
posted on August 21, 2007 8:20 PM — 67.72.98.104 — link — abuse?
Cane fan: last years little dance at Lousiville stomping on the cardinal logo? Wasn't that enough embarrassment on Miami's behalf to perhaps enter the season with a hey we are a 7-6 team coming in and we couldn't find a head coach to take the job so we hired "from within" approach. I think it would be beneficial. and would spare another national bout of humiliation on Miami's behalf.
cardman steve said:
posted on August 21, 2007 9:43 PM — 74.131.212.190 — link — abuse?
GREAT POST SCOTT51!!! ALOT OF TEAMS BACK OUT ON THE VILLE AND I WANT CAT MEAT SEPT. 15TH.
scott51 said:
posted on August 22, 2007 9:31 AM — 74.133.153.234 — link — abuse?
Re my post #67,Obviously, Kentucky remains the exception to those SEC teams I mentioned. My mistake.
Of course, most tried and true SEC lovers would rather Kentucky just go away anyhow. Wonder if Andre Woodson will change their perspective?
GO CARDS!
Bobby said:
posted on August 22, 2007 12:00 PM — 146.6.158.10 — link — abuse?
OU Sallie...please stop talking or writing. Have you seen your OU lineup...it's a creampuff as well..we atleast we play TCU who is ranked way ahead of Miami who is OU's tougheast nonconference...typical OU fan so eager to talk smack they forget to make sense. Do you even watch football? BOOMER SOONER!!! wtf is that?
Tomcat said:
posted on August 23, 2007 2:01 AM — 69.154.241.130 — link — abuse?
Welcome Bobby OU Sallie just cant help it man, they keepon smoking that stuff and talkin trash- really doesnt warrant a respose. They are just about as hard headed as can be, and nothing you or I say can change their mind.They just roll another one and fantisize about the glory of OU they will lose another one in Dallas and know it.
Kinda sad, they might as well get loaded and fantisize.No offense to OU it just sounds like pot induced bull-sh-t to me.Welcome to reality
Hookem-Horns
Sicem-Bears
Go Golden Hurricanes
Go Cowboys
Gigem Aggies
Go Mean GreenOU Fan said:
posted on August 23, 2007 7:16 AM — 139.139.51.70 — link — abuse?
Bobby, I highly doubt TCU could beat the Canes regardless of their ranking, but if it makes you feel better, keep on rambling. I mean after all, there has to be some way that you can justify Texas' weak schedule. How bout futre OU-FSU and OU-Notre Dame matchups? Are those teams weaker than TCU? Hook Em Horns-WTF is that?? BOOMER SOONER!
noles will b better said:
posted on August 23, 2007 9:22 PM — 204.94.131.182 — link — abuse?
Look its like this hokie4life u do have an impressive defense but u have 2 score point ask bobby so dont down fsu or miami till u have filled their shoes!will u beat bobby this year maybe?but dont 4 get fsu started over 20 freshmen last year and they all have experience now oh and how bout a complete new hardnosed coaching staff the only reason fsu is so low is because of the over ranking in the past!we will be back in the top 10
011hawkeye said:
posted on August 26, 2007 2:22 AM — 71.220.131.91 — link — abuse?
(#16)Rebel1222,
Can you pass me some of that stuff you're smokin'?
Wisconsin is going to get slapped around by Mich.
I wish this weren't so, but IT IS ! (I really do hate Mich.) The Big Ten will be a little sub-par this year, with the order something like this:1)Mich. 2)Penn. St. 3)Iowa (by "weakness" of schedule, only. 4) Wisconsin or Purdue.
The Badgers are going to lose to Mich., OSU, PSU, and maybe even IA. The Wash. St. game will be a win, but will be closer than you want. (Wash. St. is very inexperienced.)
I hope I'm wrong, since I don't like seeing Mich. win @ all, but sorry. Don't think so.
Expect inconsistency from the Badgers this year.
It doesn't mean their future isn't bright, but they're just not ready.CW said:
posted on August 28, 2007 4:27 PM — 204.84.232.251 — link — abuse?
scott51,
I'm sorry but you have me saying..."what"! The SEC is trying to face teams with a chance at a NT. Why would they waste time with a team that barely managed to beat Wake in the Orange Bowl! Wake played with a Freshman QB, no running backs, a beat up defense held together by 1 linebacker! And even then the ref's had to throw the game with two outrageous calls! Anyway back to the SEC! The SEC is w/o doubt the best conference and the BCS computers do everything possible to keep them from title games. For instance nobody ever guessed that UCLA would've beat USCW? If USCW did what most felt the SEC would've been shut out from a title game. Instead the Nation had to watch a real title game and feel reality! UF stomped the crap out of ohio! Believe me the BCS will do all possible to keep that from repeating... so do you really want to see the cards playing FL? In a Title Game? It wont be a Wake team? I really would hate to see cards defeated by 40 - 50 pts?scott51 said:
posted on August 29, 2007 5:27 PM — 74.133.153.234 — link — abuse?
CW,So the real reason the SEC won't schedule games with Louisville is that SEC teams want to face opponents with a chance at the National Title?
Would those opponents include Western Kentucky, who's opening up against the Gators? Or Troy, Western Carolina, Richmond or Memphis? Because all those teams open against SEC teams this weekend. Funny, haven't heard any of those names mentioned as possible NT contenders.
As far as refs throwing the Orange Bowl and a BCS conspiracy against the SEC, I haven't heard much about that either. You're sounding a bit disoriented
GO CARDS!Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 29, 2007 7:20 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Bobby I agree with OU Fan. I believe Miami can beat TCU but not by much. OU has scheduled Florida State, Miami, Notre Dame, and Tennessee. I know that these teams can be better or worse than they are now come the future. texas has scheduled Arkansas, Utah, UTEP, TCU, Rice, & UCLA. They claimed they are talking to Boston College but I know they are aggresively trying to schedule Mississippi. So compare these teams ut is playing with OU. We all know who are the better teams!
Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 29, 2007 7:20 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Bobby I agree with OU Fan. I believe Miami can beat TCU but not by much. OU has scheduled Florida State, Miami, Notre Dame, and Tennessee. I know that these teams can be better or worse than they are now come the future. texas has scheduled Arkansas, Utah, UTEP, TCU, Rice, & UCLA. They claimed they are talking to Boston College but I know they are aggresively trying to schedule Mississippi. So compare these teams ut is playing with OU. We all know who are the better teams!
Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 29, 2007 7:21 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Bobby I agree with OU Fan. I believe Miami can beat TCU but not by much. OU has scheduled Florida State, Miami, Notre Dame, and Tennessee. I know that these teams can be better or worse than they are now come the future. texas has scheduled Arkansas, Utah, UTEP, TCU, Rice, & UCLA. They claimed they are talking to Boston College but I know they are aggresively trying to schedule Mississippi. So compare these teams ut is playing with OU. We all know who are the better teams!
Bobby said:
posted on August 29, 2007 8:03 PM — 70.112.114.73 — link — abuse?
Lennie, I can't argue with the scheduling. All I know is that Texas still has open spots starting in 2010 and so on. Hopefully Mack will hear the cries out here in Longhorn nation. I would love to see Texas play Miami or FSU or LSU. I'm pretty disappointed with UTEP and Utah. Now Arkansas and UCLA could be tough when those games roll around. Now I think Rice is kinda of a mute arguement we've played them for years. Every team plays other teams that really shouldn't even be on the same field. But overall ou is ahead of Texas on scheduling. I'm not sold on FSU. Tennessee and ND are middle of the road . Now Miami could be a problem next year, maybe even this year. Now I've let you ou fans talk endlessly on the upcoming schedules but we havn't talked one time about this year. I think Texas plays a tougher one this year. As it stands Texas plays four ranked teams and ou plays three. I think TCU holds a slight edge over Miami. I think TCU's defense is better. Both offenses are unproven except for running back at Miami. Miami gets the edge for talent, but TCU is a well coached team. They execute very well and Patterson gets the best out of his players. If you've never watched TCU you need to. Now I know I'm gonna hear a bunch of noise about TCU's conference and all I can say is if you havn't watched them play then I don't think you can fairly weigh in. Now I've watched lots of Miami ball and they have talent but this is Shannons first season. Kirby Freeman whom I'm proud to say won the QB job has not done much yet. Now I know ou-ron and maybe ou-fan will want to just blast away because they hate Texas so much but I'm not saying all this strictly because I hate ou...I've watched plenty of Miami games and most of TCU's games and I'm basing my OPINION on what I've seen not emotions.
OU-Ron
posted on August 29, 2007 8:42 PM — 72.198.24.199 — link — abuse?
said:
@92 Bobby, No one is blasting you, you say, “I'm basing my OPINION on what I've seen not emotions”, please tell us what it is you’ve seen that makes TCU a tougher team than Miami, Miami may not be in the top 25 at this time, but I’ll make you a bet that they will be before the season is over. Oh ya I’m glad you’re not saying all this crap strictly because you hate OU. Your quote.
Go Sooners
CW said:
posted on August 29, 2007 9:13 PM — 66.226.62.42 — link — abuse?
scot51,
It seems you're the one messed up! How many times did you post the same comment? I was at the Orange Bowl & tailgating with Card Fans! For 3 days!! I can't tell you how many came up to us after the game amazed at WFU. Really I enjoyed being around your fans. Most saw the two penalties as questionable and several stated that "If it hadn't been for them the Cards would've been chasing Wake down to the wire." That's not might quote but theirs. Anyway, it doesn't matter ... I had to enlighten them to the fact that WFU was a badly injured team w/o many starters, no RB's, 1 LB, Freshman QB... etc. Do you really think that Card team could've faced off with FL? Let's be real! As for the SEC schedule the NT teams they face are the SEC!
Look at the NFL draft picks! Since 1983 the SEC has led in all but two years! If the NFL knows who is the best? Why don't you? The BCS is just trying to keep it from getting out of hand.CW said:
posted on August 29, 2007 9:16 PM — 66.226.62.42 — link — abuse?
scot51,
It seems you're the one messed up! How many times did you post the same comment? I was at the Orange Bowl & tailgating with Card Fans! For 3 days!! I can't tell you how many came up to us after the game amazed at WFU. Really I enjoyed being around your fans. Most saw the two penalties as questionable and several stated that "If it hadn't been for them the Cards would've been chasing Wake down to the wire." That's not might quote but theirs. Anyway, it doesn't matter ... I had to enlighten them to the fact that WFU was a badly injured team w/o many starters, no RB's, 1 LB, Freshman QB... etc. Do you really think that Card team could've faced off with FL? Let's be real! As for the SEC schedule the NT teams they face are the SEC!
Look at the NFL draft picks! Since 1983 the SEC has led in all but two years! If the NFL knows who is the best? Why don't you? The BCS is just trying to keep it from getting out of hand.Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 30, 2007 12:42 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Bobby does your internet services act up when there is a thunderstorm here in Austin? I noticed my response posted 3 times. I am in total agreement with you. I know eeeeeeveryone will saying their team has the toughest schedule and we don't know. Is TCU going to be better or worse than last year? Is Miami going to be better or worse than last year? We don't know. Is the pre-season polls worth anything except hype? We will see in January!
Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 30, 2007 12:44 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Bobby does your internet services act up when there is a thunderstorm here in Austin? I noticed my response posted 3 times. I am in total agreement with you. I know eeeeeeveryone will be saying their team has the toughest schedule and we don't know. Is TCU going to be better or worse than last year? Is Miami going to be better or worse than last year? We don't know. Is the pre-season polls worth anything except hype? We will see in January!
Tomcat said:
posted on August 30, 2007 1:35 AM — 70.245.221.91 — link — abuse?
Bobby, Lennie and OU Ron Lennie is right, preseason is preseason, every year is different.
Miami and TCU are both tough defensiveley.TCU plays in a different league than Miami. Who really knows I would love to see a TCU vs Miami matchup-who wouldnt. Every year is different and every game is different. Last year is past history and the Miami 06 team finished 7-6 and was two points away from finishing 5-8 that was against Nevada & Houston, hopefully they have improved and maybe OU can beat them, who Knows?
TCU had back to back 11 win seasons won their bowl and defeated 2 XII teams. Right now every body has 0 wins and 0 losses.
Whos better who knows, thats why they play the game on the feild. 2007 season starts tommorrow, I for one cant wait.
Sicem-Bears beat the Frogs
Go Mean Green
Gigem-AggiesScott51 said:
posted on August 30, 2007 11:38 AM — 74.133.153.234 — link — abuse?
CW,read your last comments with interest. Twice, as it turned out (seems we're both having trouble posting).
I have no issue agreeing that the SEC is the strongest conference in college football, By far, in my opinion. My issue stems from the fact that we really don't know how Louisville would fare against the best the SEC has to offer because those teams won't schedule them. They're not about to take a chance on wrecking their season by losing to Louisville. That's obvious - so they schedule non-conference games against patsies like Richmond, Western Kentucky, etc.
I doubt that U of L would have beaten Florida. But it's a shame we can't find out during the course of the regular season. And it's largely why the entire Big East struggles to establish credibility.GO CARDS!
Zac said:
posted on August 30, 2007 6:53 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
CW & Scott51, timing is as much a factor as is playing home vs. away, the day of the week played, or the time of day played. This past 1/8/07, I'm not certain the Super Bowl champions could have beaten FL. On the other hand, had Louisville played FL on 9/16/06 (FL beat TN by 1.), 10/14/06 (FL lost to Auburn.), 11/4/06 (FL beat Vandy by 6.), or 11/11/06 (FL beat SC by 1.), Louisville might have fared well. They would certainly have done better at Papa Johns than at the swamp, as most of FL's tougher wins were away. The point is, you just don't know. Even if it should happen in the future, that will be then; the rest is already in the past.
As for Louisville's win over Wake, I see no shame in that. Wake was a solid defensive team, and adequate on offense to get the wins they needed. If you look at Louisville's 2006 schedule, it was against the more defensive teams that they had trouble. Speaking of Wake, I don't understand why they're being billed as a one-hit-wonder. They've got an awful lot coming back this year, and a little bit of depth to burn. While they may not match last season's accomplishments, I still think they'll end up 3rd or 4th in the ACC by season's end.
CW said:
posted on August 31, 2007 10:28 AM — 66.226.62.42 — link — abuse?
Zac,
I don't what your arguement is? WFU is predicted to be fourth? It's just their not in the top 25? But the cards are? I watched the Deacs all season & went to several games! Including the Orange Bowl! Their defense since their victory over FSU was held by a few stings... most of it on emotion emiting from the Middle Linebacker. They had no RB's! and two hurt WR's! True ... WFU played their heart out in the bowl & should've won had the Ref's not got involved!
You gave me statistics of FL playing the other SEC teams! All of which could've beat Ohio in a bowl game? Louisville might catch a SEC occasssionaly that's hurt or thinking toward the next game v/s Alabama or some other real contender.scott51 said:
posted on August 31, 2007 10:54 AM — 74.133.153.234 — link — abuse?
CW,
Doesn't sound like there's much point in this discussion any longer.
You still seem convinced that the refs screwed WF out of an Orange Bowl victory and that Louisville can't beat a good SEC team that's playing at full strength. I guess you know something that all those college football coaches and sportwriters don't know when they put together the polls.
Hey man, you're entitled to your opinion. Good Luck on the coming season.
GO CARDS!PopsMich said:
posted on September 1, 2007 6:26 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Hey, fire away. There is no excuse for UM losing to Appalachian.
It'll be a great season for all fans. Too bad we're the first to say "wait 'til next year"
Hopefully next year will bring some needed change to Ann Arbor. Carr's news conference about "our mistakes, penalties, etc." shows how out of touch he really is.
His comments should have started "On behalf of Michigan football I'd like to apologize firstly to Bo Schembechler and to all Michigan alumni."
He has no idea of the magnitude of what is going on around him, and will likely be surprised when asked to leave. Nice guy, but it's time to step down.
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EER10 said:
posted on August 19, 2007 9:18 AM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?I am ready for everyone to start crying about WVU at #3.