September 11, 2007
Auburn is chump change
Keltic Gator takes quite a considerably swipe at Auburn over at Orange and Blue Hue in the wake of their loss to South Florida.
I can't harp on it any more, Auburn is not an elite college football program. Tuberville was a mediocre coach before the miracle year of 2004 and somehow he gets far more love from the press than he deserves because he was "cheated" from a chance at a national title. The 2004 Auburn team was a mirage. The only thing those Tigers were cheated from is a blowout loss in a Title game matchup....
Let us put Auburn in perspective. Alabama is a state with a high football passion and produces a fair share of quality athletes. Tuberville's heyday was helped considerably by the flagship program of the state, the University of Alabama, being on probation and in turmoil during Tuberville's rise. It was during this time that Auburn was able to lure talented players like Jason Campbell, Carnell Williams and Ronnie Brown (not to mention Giants running back Brandon Jacobs who transferred to Southern Illinois for playing time). Let's not forget that although the Tigers were indeed 13-0 in 2004 Tuberville was only able to squeeze 8 wins out of those same great players the year before.
I think KG is a little harsh, and I don't know why (although I have my suspicions that it stems from... oh... I don't know... Auburn ruining UF's perfect season last year... just maybe.)
Regardless, Auburn can beat just about anybody in the country on any given Saturday, so I don't know how you can just write them off. Are they an elite team? No. Are they an elite school? Eh... probably not. Are they capable of knocking off anybody? Eh... yeah, I think they can sneak up on just about anybody.
KG glosses over it, but you can't deny that Auburn has more wins in the last three seasons than LSU... or Georgia... or Tennessee... or Florida, least ye forget.
So, I think KelticGator is just being a little bit of a sour grapes fan. I mean, how else do you explain a Floirda fan beating down the team that spoiled the Gators perfect season last year? And, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Auburn hold the series edge over Florida all-time? (Check it - I'm not wrong - Auburn leads the series 38-41-2.)
So... if I were a Gator... I might think twice about ripping a school that can call scoreboard on ya. Just saying.
Comments:
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on September 11, 2007 8:28 PM — 76.114.231.180 — link — abuse?
Especially considering AU has to travel to Mo-Town next year........I'm really not surprised that these things are being said now...
All we hear is Schedule tougher O.O.C. games.......So we do......then all of the sudden those teams we do schedule "supposedly" are just not what they used to be "after" the game is played.
1st_and_NOLE
posted on September 11, 2007 9:48 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
said:
I don't know how "popular" this thread is going to be and what I'm going to say is COMPLETELY off topic and beyond that, isn't even football related.
However, there are times when football and sports mean nothing. There are times when you need to put football and sports aside and look at what truly matters in life. This is one of those times.
It's 9/11. Six years ago today, thousands lost their lives this day 6 years ago. It's 9/11 in 2007 and we're talking football, who's better then who, who should be fired, who's going to pull the upset, ect ect... but, 6 years ago today... millions of lives were changed forever. Despite it was the beginning of football, it didn't matter - at all.
Let us remember 9/11, the victims, and those still keeping us safe even as we continue our sports debates. There are still men and women watching the walls, standing the post... so we can do what we do here, exercise our freedoms.
After high school a few years ago, I enlisted in the Marines. I don't regret a single moment.
Right now, lets remember those still serving, those of have fallen, and why this is the greatest nation on the planet.
We're strong.
We're brave.
We're America.
GOD BLESS AMERICA.
Sorry Kev, I know that takes the thread off topic but... I can't think of a better reason to take a thread off topic.
shiguy said:
posted on September 11, 2007 10:20 PM — 71.61.239.60 — link — abuse?
i agree this is rediculous. rather than focusing on the fact that maybe south florida is a good team, all he can say is that auburn sucks? common are you serious? is that the excuse that he's gonna hide behind for them loosing to a big east team? they will probably say the same thing next year if they loose to wvu. simple proof that certain SEC fans (note that i didn't say all!) will never admit to the big east having quality teams. and continue to believe that the only way a SEC team can loose to another conference must mean that it's a weak team.
Regan said:
posted on September 12, 2007 12:59 AM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
1st_and_NOLE (#4):
Yes - Left field.
No - No problem at all. Right on, dude, and IMHO, no time is a bad time to mention real life and real heroism.
No problem at all - not while I'm sitting at a computer with not a care in the world but a game I'm not even a player of in the best country that's ever been.
Thanks to all those that gave all so I could be so lucky, and absolutely never feel bad for reminding me.
Nolen1999 said:
posted on September 12, 2007 8:58 AM — 207.203.238.6 — link — abuse?
1st_and_Nole: you said it, hateraid!
Why doesn't UF schedule USF, soon.... in Tampa? Ohhhhh.... that's right, they only play OOC games in the Swamp.
9/11 - We will ALWAYS remember!!! God Bless America and everyone on this thread!
Rebel 1222 said:
posted on September 12, 2007 9:01 AM — 68.218.12.222 — link — abuse?
If AU don't have a QB any better than Brandon Cox, they are in serious trouble. Defend him all you want, but he sucked last year and this year is no different. Last years' excuse was injuries, this years' excuse will be O-line. Their O-line did a pretty good job the other night.
Cox is not a play maker. He throws one nice ball out of 6 throws. He is sacked way to easily, and he makes poor decisions.
They need to go to their next guy in line to salvage their season.
Their Defense was great against USF. Were it not for the D the past two years keeping them in close games and scoring points for them (the offense seems too inept with Cox at QB to score any), they probably would have been a 7-4 team last year.
Just my two cents.
col reb said:
posted on September 12, 2007 9:19 AM — 76.107.121.193 — link — abuse?
Auburn has the best record in the SEC the past five years. I know they schedule cream puffs, and they did steal our coach, but I think that what Auburn has done is pretty impressive. For them to build that kind of consistansy(sp?) in that state and in this conference is pretty awesome. I wish the Rebels still had the Riverboat Gambler.
gatorstud said:
posted on September 12, 2007 9:24 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
look at the "nole" fans , takin shots at the gators again...well i guess i can see why...if you can't beat em....trash em......
3 yrs and rolling boys..3yrs and rollin......but i'm sure that your cries of floridas ooc sheduling would make a good after-school
special.....and congrats to floridas girls soccer team..they beat the #9 noles.....way to go girls.....
go gators....and hokies
p.s. 1st and nole #4....well said....
Andrew R said:
posted on September 12, 2007 9:53 AM — 67.78.225.112 — link — abuse?
Wait a min, I thought that this blog was a source of factual information about college football and then everyone gives their opinion on the topic. Now you are publishing opinions, Kevin? I know in your defense you placed your rebuttal at the end but come on, stick to the facts.
And KG, how soon you forget. What about the miracle year of 2006? How close was it to there being a Ohio State Michigan rematch for the BcS Championship. It's a miracle that that mediocre game wasn't played. Yet your beloved Gators with a loss to, in your words, "not an elite college football program" with a "mediocre coach", played for the BcS. A loss to Auburn in your words sounds almost the same as or worse than a loss to USF, and yet the Gaytors played for a National Championship. So, in your logic if Auburn looses to a non-elite football team and falls out of the top 25, and Auburn being a non-elite football team beats Florida, shouldn't Florida fall and certinatly not play for a national championship? KG, what you don't realize, is that you need Auburn to be considered an elite football program, because the Gaytors play them or another team that plays them. Do you really want the rest of the country to think that the SEC is made up of only one powerhouse like the PAC-10 is?
gatorhippy
posted on September 12, 2007 10:02 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
I read this on Monday over at O&BH and felt it was a stretch...
Auburn has put some pretty good seasons together and are more often than not right in the thick of the SEC West at the end of the season year in and year out...
Auburn is an SEC team and a damn good one...
However, Tigers beat themselves more than got beat by USF...
BUT, if I was a team in the BE I'd be really concerned with making a trip to Tampa to play the Bulls...
Especially if they've beat you on your own field already...
TrojanHorse said:
posted on September 12, 2007 10:14 AM — 157.127.124.15 — link — abuse?
Regardless, Auburn can beat just about anybody in the country on any given Saturday, so I don't know how you can just write them off. Are they an elite team? No. Are they an elite school? Eh... probably not. Are they capable of knocking off anybody? Eh... yeah, I think they can sneak up on just about anybody.
after App State won at Michigan, I think anybody is capable of beating anybody on any given saturday.. so this is a moot point
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on September 12, 2007 10:14 AM — 138.162.0.43 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy,
What game were you watching? If anything USF should've beaten them by at least 12 more points.
Hint: (4) missed field goals.
Turn overs are caused by playing "good" Defense...so you can't say USF didn't go in there and beat Auburn down.
gatorhippy
posted on September 12, 2007 10:25 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
Diggs (#15):
I was watching the AU/USF game, Diggs...
I was watching Cox make some bad decisions and saw AU players not taking care of the ball...
I saw convincing Auburn drives cancelled by the mistakes causing 1st and 15's...
Don't get me wrong...
USF probably has the BEST defense in the BE and should easily be ranked in the top twenty...
USF finishes as noworse than second in the BE this year and I wouldn't be surprised to see them win the conference...
wveersfan said:
posted on September 12, 2007 10:43 AM — 216.230.70.238 — link — abuse?
Yeah, figured that would be the opinion....."However, Tigers beat themselves more than got beat by USF...".
You deal the hand you are dealt. The mistakes, the turnovers couldn't have been because of the opposition, it must have just been a bad day. Who friggin' cares?
The scoreboard is what counts. You guys are in such denial. Just because the best recruits live in your "territory" and choose to go to an SEC school more often than not doesn't mean there aren't great players everywhere. And, it's only gonna get more even, with more HS kids being better prepared, earlier, to play CFB.....and the SEC can't have them all.
USF is a great defensive football team and a pretty decent offensive team. Auburn had the home field, the fans, the depth and the overtime to prove all of it. They didn't. Doesn't mean Auburn is bad, it just may mean USF is getting better.
TampaGator said:
posted on September 12, 2007 11:08 AM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Keltic Gator's opinion is but one solitary opinion amoungst many, within the Gator Nation. It deserves no more weight than most other opinions.
For the most part, AU-UF rivalry is one of mutual respect--as well as disdain. Believe me, it's heated--but we generally have a lot of respect for each others' programs and accomplishments.
Frankly, what USF accomplished AT AU on Saturday deserves every bit of accolade it gets. They even left about 12 points on the field in regulation, compliments of a crappy kicker.
...and AU was fired up for this game; the stadium was rockin', the players bouncin'...
...forget about it; the better team won, and they beat a damn good team, and it is a black eye for the SEC. Maybe that's what's really behind Keltic's take.
...but hey, we still have LSU, FLorida, Arkansas, 'Bama, and South Carolina in the hunt for the NC (yeah, I said SC; they are still undefeated, right?)
GO GATORS!!gatorstud said:
posted on September 12, 2007 11:24 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
nolen1999...like i have stated many times before....i am a fan of all floridas athletics....not just football....why don't you write fsu's womens soccer team and tell them they are soft and really don't matter much to you, cause they don't play football.....
and my statement was to the two "noles" fans (including you) that chimed in on an auburn (sec) thread and decided to give their 2 cents worth....
and for the record , tht auburn game sucked last year....that turnover late in the fourth quarter was a joke..it was worse than the infamous "tuck rule" that happpened in the nfl.....leaks arm was clearly moving forward when the ball came out..and even the announcers though that florida would retain possesion.....florida was in position to tie the game or go ahead....it was a terrible call...at a bad time.....auburn got the ball and we lost.....it was a bad call that marred a good game.....
but that isn't an auburn thing...it was a ref. thing.....i do not blame auburn....i still believe that auburn is an elite team that needs cox to step up and lead that team.....don't count them out....
jmho.....
go gators....and hokies
Tampa Hurricane
posted on September 12, 2007 11:30 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse? said:
TampaGator, if you consider "Arkansas, 'Bama, and South Carolina in the hunt for the NC" who else is on your list? USF, Northwestern, Indiana, Michigan State, Air Force, Arizona State, Washington....from your list, it looks like you just listed all SEC programs that are undefeated as of now (you forgot that Kentucky is still in the hunt for the NC). 60% of your teams listed have a less than a .000000000000000001% chance of playing for the NC.
AU03 said:
posted on September 12, 2007 11:44 AM — 63.113.128.5 — link — abuse?
"Turn overs are caused by playing "good" Defense...so you can't say USF didn't go in there and beat Auburn down."
Diggs,
You must have not watched the game. Two of the turnovers was due to throwing into tight (in one case, double) coverage and one was due to a bad handoff (in others words- all the D had to do was recover the ball, which was served to them on a silver platter). Most of those turnovers happened in out own territory, so USF was already in FG range. One of the fumbles looked to be from a good strip, but Fanin wasn't protecting the ball well, either.
Gatorpilot said:
posted on September 12, 2007 12:14 PM — 71.42.27.135 — link — abuse?
Yeah, this was something by Keltic written at O&B Hue that I didn't really agree with. Goes with the territory of having several different personalities contributing to a blog. I think Auburn's still a damn good football program, simply with some serious offensive problems. I do question Tuberville's "greatness" as a coach but there's no doubting the man's record over these past few years. Still, Auburn has precious little hardware to show for it. They should have won the SEC a few more times for all the wins they had.
I don't see a great year looming for the Tigers (who does?) but I do expect them to rebound quickly and remain at a high level.
-Gatorpilot
AUtigerman said:
posted on September 12, 2007 12:39 PM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
As an Auburn fan that happens to live in Florida ive heard this all before.
For some reason they cant get over there loss last year. Cant admit that they were totally out played in the second half and couldnt stop us in the first half. If you want to scream lucky win what about your win against south carolina. You never hear about that because you won. But you were out played in that one too.
As for this year call it what you will but we have 17 under classmen starting.
As for you, you need to remember that you still have to play us this year. Wouldnt it be horrible to try and find excuses for losing to such a horrible team.Gatorpilot said:
posted on September 12, 2007 12:53 PM — 71.42.27.135 — link — abuse?
AUtigerman, let me tell you that generally speaking there is a great respect between our two programs. Keltic sometimes goes a little over the top with his diatribes but he dishes that out to all comers, not just select rivals.
Auburn has a proud football tradition and good fans. Let's make this a friendly rivalry.
gatorhippy
posted on September 12, 2007 1:22 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse? said:
I really don't consider AU even a rivalry...
There is history of academic exchange with the two schools, they have always competed well against each other in all sports...
Hell, AU is practically UF's sister school...
I like AU...
I'm glad we lost last year to the Tigers rather than the Dawgs or Vols, whom UF fans don't have such a good relationship with...
In conclusion, Auburn is A-OK with me...
I just wish the Gators hadn't given them a 14 point gift for the win last year between the bobbled punt snap and the desperation play fumble...
Those two plays gave AU there only TD's which were vital as the Tiger offense didn't put the ball in the endzone the entire game...
Of course, not that it matters now...
Auburn had more points at the end and got the win...
The Gators went on to win the SEC and MNC...
And we're in a new season now...
CraigO said:
posted on September 12, 2007 1:25 PM — 65.81.154.73 — link — abuse?
I do think there is a struggle going on with the coaches not being able to maximize the talent, especially on offense. I don't know what the problem is. Perhaps some of it is play calling. AU just doesn't seem to be able to get the ball in the hands of their playmakers enough. South Carolina and FL seem to do an excellent job of doing that, whether it's an end around or wide receiver screen, they get the ball into the hands of those who have speed and who can make plays. AU has the talent, speed, and 3 great tightends, but they don't seem to be able to get the ball to them as much as they should.
CraigO said:
posted on September 12, 2007 1:25 PM — 65.81.154.73 — link — abuse?
I do think there is a struggle going on with the coaches not being able to maximize the talent, especially on offense. I don't know what the problem is. Perhaps some of it is play calling. AU just doesn't seem to be able to get the ball in the hands of their playmakers enough. South Carolina and FL seem to do an excellent job of doing that, whether it's an end around or wide receiver screen, they get the ball into the hands of those who have speed and who can make plays. AU has the talent, speed, and 3 great tightends, but they don't seem to be able to get the ball to them as much as they should.
posted on September 12, 2007 1:27 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?War Eagle Atlanta said:
I'm glad to see that most Gator fans don't agree with this guy's venomous little diatribe. It's so off-base and unwarranted that I don't feel the need to have to defend the program here. Auburn and Florida have always enjoyed a respectful rivalry, not a bitter one. It's a shame when one person tries to change that dynamic.
Auburn suffers from the same Jekyl/Hyde syndrome that occasionally hampers all teams. You make changes and try to fix it. It's not the end of the world.
Say what he will, any team takes a extra bit of caution when Auburn comes to town. Same if Florida was coming to town. We don't get scheduled for too many homecomings.
gatorhippy
posted on September 12, 2007 1:33 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse? said:
Michigan fans would do well to remember this WE ATL statement:
"Auburn suffers from the same Jekyl/Hyde syndrome that occasionally hampers all teams. You make changes and try to fix it. It's not the end of the world."...
Rammer Jammer said:
posted on September 12, 2007 1:41 PM — 199.89.170.92 — link — abuse?
I guess you wouldn't expect this from a Bama fan but... This article is bologna. (He must listen to Paul Feinbaum) It's obvious this guy is just trying to stir up a big stink.
And as for Tuberville... I think he is a great coach, and I think he is a great recruiter. From everything I have read about the guy, he also seems to be a great person.
Having said all of that; I still don't like him for obvious reasons (like 5 in a row). He also seems very arrogant, but when you accomplish what he has, I guess he has the right to be.
I definitely don't see him as being a mediocre coach.My prediction is: Auburn will turn this season around and will come very close to winning the SEC west. Brandon Cox will shape up and have a much better season than the 1st two games.
Watch out LSU!!! Tommy Tuberville has a way of surprising everyone.
On the other hand; if they lose to MS this week, TT will need to hide for a few days.My $.00 (that's what it's worth)
ROLL TIDE
realfootball said:
posted on September 12, 2007 2:14 PM — 66.62.121.9 — link — abuse?
It was pleasant to see that smerk wiped off Tuberville's face. Auburn is always way overhyped. They are the Michigan of the SEC. That aside, the SEC spread in Plyby this month was weak. I thought I was looking at cast photos from Deliverance. Oh wait...maybe I was.
realfootball said:
posted on September 12, 2007 2:15 PM — 66.62.121.9 — link — abuse?
It was pleasant to see that smerk wiped off Tuberville's face. Auburn is always way overhyped. They are the Michigan of the SEC. That aside, the SEC spread in Plyby this month was weak. I thought I was looking at cast photos from Deliverance. Oh wait...maybe I was.
realfootball said:
posted on September 12, 2007 2:15 PM — 66.62.121.9 — link — abuse?
It was pleasant to see that smerk wiped off Tuberville's face. Auburn is always way overhyped. They are the Michigan of the SEC. That aside, the SEC spread in Plyby this month was weak. I thought I was looking at cast photos from Deliverance. Oh wait...maybe I was.
realfootball said:
posted on September 12, 2007 2:15 PM — 66.62.121.9 — link — abuse?
It was pleasant to see that smerk wiped off Tuberville's face. Auburn is always way overhyped. They are the Michigan of the SEC. That aside, the SEC spread in Plyby this month was weak. I thought I was looking at cast photos from Deliverance. Oh wait...maybe I was.
posted on September 12, 2007 3:12 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Realfootball: Don't let them give you any sh*t. You only tied the record for duplicate posts, held also by someone who shall remain nameless. I think he did his on purpose, though.
Speaking of making changes to get back on track, you certainly don't want to make too many or you risk screwing up things even further. Reports out of Auburn indicate that it's a least possible that true freshmen Kodi Burns may take a few snaps against Miss. State. I would say that we should give Cox two more games to get it together, but if he didn't, that would mean starting an untested QB at Florida Field on 9/29 and I'm not so sure that's a good idea.
EER10 said:
posted on September 12, 2007 3:16 PM — 129.71.238.252 — link — abuse?
Diggs #1, #3 100% correct. After WVU won the Sugar Bowl in 2005 Georgia all of a sudden was not the best in the SEC ?? But they were the SEC Champion that year, were they not ? Everyone can spin, twist, make excuses, blame the line, the QB, the RB, the Coach, or they fumbled because their girl forgot to give the pre-game nut rub etc, etc, etc.........until the stars fade and the L's continue to pile up.
Message approved by: "THE BEAST OF THE EAST"
TampaGator said:
posted on September 12, 2007 3:26 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane/#22:
I see that beat down in Norman left your mental faculties quite a bit compromised....
...holy crap son; you talk'n smack after that ass whoop'n???? 51-13????
...that 00000...% chance of winning NC this year certainly applies to Miami's chances; however, with less than 50 teams (out of 119) left undefeated, you may want to run your percentages again.
FYI: I did not suggest that Arkansas, 'Bama, and South Carolina would win the NC, or even that any of them would LIKELY win it; I named those programs--along with LSU and UF-- as programs WITHIN THE SEC (from context of my post) that are still in the running--at least technically (i.e.--dogs from the SEC still in the hund).
By the way: I'm pretty sure the 'canes would NOT have lost THAT BADLY, had Coker remained at the helm. Careful what you wish for...
GO GATORS!!Tampa Hurricane
posted on September 12, 2007 4:02 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse? said:
TampaGator, thanks for proving in your last post that you know nothing about college football except in the SEC. Choker was a terrible coach, that didn't know how to do anything offensively. If you look at the three teams that I commented about, they would be lucky to be two loss teams in a mid-major conference. I realize that SEC fans don't know that there are other conferences in college football that have teams as good as the teams in the SEC; however, as USF proved over the weekend, there are some overrated teams in the SEC.
What's wrong TampaGator, you getting your SEC biased called out so you have to change the topic of this posting?
Tampa Hurricane
posted on September 12, 2007 4:43 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse? said:
katnduck, that was a classless and dickless comment. If you are gonna bring it, then you need to represent stronger than that. How stupid do you need to be to realize that you only have to click the submit button for the comment to be submitted?!?
TampaGator said:
posted on September 12, 2007 5:36 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
"...calling me out for SEC bias..."? Please.
Where the hell'd I ever attempt to conceal it? It's pretty much confessed in my handle, and my posts quite often present the SEC perspective--unapoligetically.
...and SEC bias notwithstanding, I gave a pretty damn unbiased characterization of the AU-USF game.
"Arkansas, 'Bama, and South Carolina..." 2 loss teams in mid-major conference? ...and you say I don't know anything about CFB (other than SEC)?
Well done. Way to flush your own cred down the proverbial toilet.
If anything, you appear to be showing hypersensitivity here; still reeling from that OU smack down? or is it the UM-SEC record (since you got all defensive about my comments re. the SEC?).
As for Coker: he won a National Championship as a HC--Shannon has not, and likely will not. What's more, Coker never allowed a team to light him up for 51 points; Shannon already has (yeah I know; RS was Coker's DC, but the point stands). Please feel free to archive my comment here (about RS and NC), and throw it back in my face if I'm wrong. I doubt I will be.
GO GATORS!!TampaGator said:
posted on September 12, 2007 5:36 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
"...calling me out for SEC bias..."? Please.
Where the hell'd I ever attempt to conceal it? It's pretty much confessed in my handle, and my posts quite often present the SEC perspective--unapoligetically.
...and SEC bias notwithstanding, I gave a pretty damn unbiased characterization of the AU-USF game.
"Arkansas, 'Bama, and South Carolina..." 2 loss teams in mid-major conference? ...and you say I don't know anything about CFB (other than SEC)?
Well done. Way to flush your own cred down the proverbial toilet.
If anything, you appear to be showing hypersensitivity here; still reeling from that OU smack down? or is it the UM-SEC record (since you got all defensive about my comments re. the SEC?).
As for Coker: he won a National Championship as a HC--Shannon has not, and likely will not. What's more, Coker never allowed a team to light him up for 51 points; Shannon already has (yeah I know; RS was Coker's DC, but the point stands). Please feel free to archive my comment here (about RS and NC), and throw it back in my face if I'm wrong. I doubt I will be.
GO GATORS!!cock'n'fire south carolina 101 said:
posted on September 12, 2007 5:58 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
Post 28 AUtigerman
holy crap thank you your practically the first person ive talked to all yeer that even took notice of that...just think of how bad it felt being a south carolina fan about 8 hours from home watching that kick get blocked at the end of the game...we dont usually beat florida and that shoulda been HUGE! cosidering we were at the swamp and that would have been back to back wins against florida
thank you for pointing that out it seems people loose touch with reality and overlook those "lucky wins"
Big Tide said:
posted on September 12, 2007 6:26 PM — 12.208.88.211 — link — abuse?
Wow, I'm no Tubby fan (did you check out the scowl he gave the fans at the end of the game when they began to boo) but Auburn has too many players in the NFL to not be considered an elite program. Personally, I think the entire SEC got a slap in the face when AU was denied a chance to play for the title. Nobody gave Stallings and his bunch a chance in h*ll back in '92 either.
Zac said:
posted on September 12, 2007 9:34 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
1st things 1st: 1st & Nole (like I said, 1st things 1st), I didn't celebrate 9/11, I'm sorry to say. I celebrated a friend's retirement. But, you're right, lest we forget. Thanks for your service to our country; it's greatly appreciated.
As for KG and his opinion, he's entitled to it. We don't have to like it (his opinion or his right to express it), but he does have the right to express it. We, too, have the same right to express ours. Now, far be it from me to accuse the man of being a pompous a$$, but if the shoe fits…
I don't think Auburn has anything to be ashamed of. I don't think this loss represents a black eye against them or the SEC. I sure as hell don't think Auburn was "beaten down". Both teams were up for the game; both worked hard; gave it their all. One team has QB issues; the other has kicker issues. Both issues cost their respective teams. It doesn't matter which issue cost which team more.
Eventually, 1 of the 2 teams won. It doesn't matter if said team is from a "weak" conference or was "arguably" less deserving of the win. They still won. Auburn did not loose; USF won. That's it. All the belittling of Auburn, the SEC, USF, or the Big East will not change that. No matter what becomes of either team or conference, 10 years from now, if someone looks up the game, all they'll see is USF 26, Auburn 23.
Done is done. We're about to enter Week 3. That's right; there's lots more football to enjoy. Whats say we all enjoy it?
CUtoalTiger said:
posted on September 12, 2007 10:11 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
I do not know if Auburn is chump change but I know South Florida is the better team.
Total yards... Bulls 319 Tigers 290Tampa Gator talks about the 12 points left on the field by a bad kicker.... South Florida did leave 12 points and more than that. Twice they had the ball 1st and Goal and could not score. One of those times it was first an goal at the two.
South Florida should have won this game by 17 to 20 points. This was no fluke. Hats off to Auburn for keeping it close and having a chance.
AUtigerman said:
posted on September 12, 2007 10:49 PM — 72.205.222.229 — link — abuse?
Keltic gator
Have you ever considered that perhaps AU 2004
13-0 perfect season, and the fact they were denied an opportunity to play for the title might be the very reason why a one loss sec team got a chance to play for the title?
Or is that just pushing the envelope too much.Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on September 13, 2007 1:43 PM — 76.114.231.180 — link — abuse?
18-13 against the SEC since 1990
7-0 since 04'
19-13 after Louis vs. Kensucky
8-0 after Louis vs. Kensucky since 04'
20-13 after WVU MIss. St.9-0 after WVU Miss. St.
Sleep well SEC......
Bottom Line:
It's still the Beast and still the SEC.
posted on September 13, 2007 3:47 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Diggs, Diggs, Diggs. Who's doing the spinning? If you yourself weren't the spin meister, you might have prefaced your comments like this:
"Although the Big East is .390 against the SEC all-time, they are 18-13 since 1990 and 7-0 since 2004."
Using statistics creatively to embellish your point. That's the very definition of spin. Hmmm. Perhaps I should verify the stats you used, rather than accept them as given. I thought you were a more responsible poster than that.
To quote Paul Harvey, "Now you know the rest of the story"
Page two.
There's nothing wrong with being proud of your conference. To my amazement, the BE has not only survived the defections, but appears to be rebuilding very well. Good for them. I seriously thought that there was a good chance the conference might have folded.
ty said:
posted on September 14, 2007 12:40 PM — 129.118.86.231 — link — abuse?
I like how everyone claims the SEC is so tough yet USF owned AUBURN AT HOME, nice pridefull war sparrow. I like it when SEC teams play on saturdays so i can take a nap(because their wont be any loud interuptions because of touchdowns) and then wake up at the end of the game to see a 3-0 score. Nice conference...
Tampa Hurricane
posted on September 14, 2007 1:28 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse? said:
Fan of the game, there is no way that they can let it go. It is the only successful season that school has had recently (and from the looks of their first two games, the only one in the foreseeable future). You have to enjoy how they are always saying that the teams that bring up their national championship totals are living in the past, while they continue to complain about 2004.
posted on September 14, 2007 2:37 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
No, you guys are wrong about AU Tigerman. He's not moaning about Auburn in 2004. He's suggesting that it's entirely possible that politics were in play last year in that one of the factors that allowed Florida to reach the title game was the sympathy vote from the powers that be because of an undefeated SEC team getting hosed two years prior. It is possible. It doesn't factor in more than BCS favorite USC losing to UCLA, but it probably was a factor.
Anyone seen Diggs back in here? Yo, Diggs. Where you'd go?
AUtigerman said:
posted on September 14, 2007 3:16 PM — 129.61.46.16 — link — abuse?
Thanks War eagle ATL
Couldnt have explained it better myself. Id say that is pretty much right on. As for 2004 someone had to be left out. We just werent a big enough TV draw to knock Ok. or USC out,didnt surprise me at all. Politics as usual. Will be that way many more times till something is figured out.
Zac said:
posted on September 14, 2007 10:03 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Ty (Post 63), riddle me this. How do you figure S FL owned Auburn, having been the team to force OT with a FG, when the same kicker missed 4 previous attempts? S FL scored when they had to and won the game.
The game's history; we're now in a new week of football. It's time to move on.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on September 14, 2007 11:33 PM — 76.114.231.180 — link — abuse?
The facts have not changed partner....
Since the Big East Footballs inception in 90'
The Big East is 18-13.
And 7-0 since 04'
Why are you including games before the Football inception? Jeez, talk about embellishing a point....my GOD man that was ridiculous counting games from a "Phantom Conference".Get ready for 19-13 since The Beasts Inception
And 8-0 since 04' come Saturday.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on September 14, 2007 11:38 PM — 76.114.231.180 — link — abuse?
Wareagle,
Just a note:
Don't worry buddy I'm not going anywhere.
I'll always be here to correct you when you are wrong.
I need a laugh.....try and spin my last post. I'll be waiting, and surely laughing after I read your next post.
gatorhippy
posted on September 15, 2007 7:28 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse? said:
WE ATL & Diggs:
Let's go ahead and put this baby to bed...
Diggs, Not sure where your numbers are coming from, but...
This is my favorite argument from the BE...
Pure spin and manipulation of the BE record against the SEC lately...
First, may I suggest you learn the history of your conference...
BE play in football started in 1991 not 1990...
Current BE teams records since 1991 vs SEC = 20-24
Second, it should be noted in this discussion as well that NINE of those wins come in the Louisville/Kentucky series...
And that the BE owns a winning record against only one SEC team: UK @ 12-7...
The rest of the SEC shakes out as such...
AUB 1-1, Bama 0-1, ARK 0-1, UGA 1-0, UT 0-6, FL 1-3, MSU 1-0, MISS 1-0, SoCar 0-2, Vandy 2-3, UK 12-7...
I'll readily admit that the BE has made a push and improved handily over the last three years...
However, it's hard to boast dominance of a conference when the bulk of your wins come against an annual conference doormat...
Granted the WVU win over UGA in the Sugar three years ago and the USF win at Auburn were terrific boosters of the BE ego...
Tampa Hurricane
posted on September 15, 2007 9:20 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse? said:
gatorhippy,
I didn't check your facts, but per the records you claim, the BE owns winning reords against 4 teams not the one that you claim. The BE has losing records against 6, with one a draw.On a side note, your records have to be wrong due to the fact that when you add your records up it, it equals a 19-24, and you claim the record is 20-24. What happened to the other BE win?
posted on September 15, 2007 12:41 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
You know, I had forgotten that the Big East was a basketball conference until recently. Seriously, I didn't take that into consideration. I had gotten the stats off of cfbdw. I'm not sure where how they arrived at those stats. I can't pull them back up right now, somethings wrong with the site.
Tyler said:
posted on September 15, 2007 2:10 PM — 75.120.236.184 — link — abuse?
What the hell is wrong with the Auburn Tigers? Struggled in the first two games. Lost the 2nd one. As I write this they are leading lowly, no wins Mississippi State by a single point.
Can you say, "no offense. We need a quarterback". Hey maybe they need a new coach!
This is going to be a nightmare season for AU!!
Tyler said:
posted on September 15, 2007 3:44 PM — 75.120.236.184 — link — abuse?
Auburn loses again! Kansas St owned them in the first game and should have won. Auburn loses the 2nd game. Now lowly Miss St 1-2 beats Auburn, now 1-2. Keep in mind that Miss St starting quarterback was out with injuries in the 2nd half. I ask again, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH AUBURN FOOTBALL? Maybe it's time for that big-eared coach to go.
Come on Auburn people, explain your record if you can. I can hardly wait for the excuses to begin.
Fan of the game said:
posted on September 15, 2007 3:59 PM — 75.120.236.184 — link — abuse?
At first I though that KelticGator was just spewing sour grapes for last year's loss but now I'm beginning to think differently.
Auburn is becoming an embarassment to the SEC.
They have been on TV for 3 weeks straight. Pleeeeze keep them off TV until they start winning some games.
Maybe I should say IF they start winning some games instead of when. Yes, Tuberville is a mediocre coach and his 15 minutes of fame is over. Beating Alabama 4 straight will not keep his job. Auburn was actually better off with Buster Brown Bowden than with Mr Smug and cocky.
posted on September 15, 2007 4:29 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
You juveniles are starting to treat Auburn like they're Notre Dame. Go ahead, laugh it up. Make yourselves feel better by beating on someone when they're down. Yea, Auburn has some problems right now. Go ahead and write them off, especially if your team plays them this year.
The race is long. See you at the end.
GA Boy said:
posted on September 15, 2007 10:55 PM — 97.89.29.93 — link — abuse?
AU. Looks like you posted too soon. The Tide pulled it off. I watched the game when I got back from the game in Athens tonight. Hope we come out better than we did today or the Tide might wipe us out! Either way, I'm looking for a good trip to Tuscaloosa next Saturday.
GO DAWGS!!
Tyler said:
posted on September 15, 2007 11:27 PM — 75.120.236.184 — link — abuse?
Hey AUtigerman,
I'm still smiling where are you now?
War Eagle Atlanta said: "Go ahead, laugh it up. Make yourselves feel better by beating on someone when they're down".
Say what?! I live in Alabama. EVERY Auburn fan that I know has "beat on" Alabama while they were down. Doesn't feel good when the shoe is on the other foot does it?
I know that you will come back and say that you and your friends didn't act that way but truth is, there are lots of tacky, redneck Auburn fans in this state who did.
1 and 2 against three (3) unranked teams! Damn, that's bad! That's even WORSE than being "DOWN".
Air Raid said:
posted on September 15, 2007 11:36 PM — 74.197.122.75 — link — abuse?
Nice games War Eagle, you dont want us to beat on you when your down. Wow all the sudden you are the great diplomat. Shutup you little baby, this is college football and AU sucks. Fire tubberville and move on.
Wreck EM!Ray Ray said:
posted on September 15, 2007 11:49 PM — 75.120.236.184 — link — abuse?
Where are all the naysayers who were here making fun of Alabama for spending the big bucks to hire Saban. It's a little more difficult to win against Saban than Shula.
Maybe we should have just stolen the Ole Miss coach like Auburn did. NOT!
Now you're going to see what kind of coach Tuberville really is.
Tomcat said:
posted on September 16, 2007 7:35 AM — 69.148.173.234 — link — abuse?
Auburn is a good team.How quick everybody on here is to talk noise after a team loses a couple-gee
Look at the competetion in CFB today.There are alot of really good teams.Auburn only has two loses guys and its early in the season.
AU played K-State purty decent team
USF Bulls another good team
Miss St Bulldogs good team I saw the Miss St vs LSU game and I for one was impressed by Miss St, the O-Line was giving the QB plenty of protection and the Def played well.They had some turnovers in that game, but they looked purty good.
Until yall beat AU yall shouldnt try to run the program down.
Vandy, Bama, S Car, Miss St and Kentucky are all good teams there is a lot of competition in this league. I think there will be alot of teams that will drop a couple and nobody is coming away unscathed.
Go TulsaPut those fingers down! said:
posted on September 16, 2007 9:14 AM — 12.181.30.104 — link — abuse?
For 11 months, as an Alabama fan I had some Aub's stinking 6th finger in my face telliing me they didn't fear Saban. Suddenly...things have gotten as quiet as Jordan-Hare Stadium in the 4th quarter.
It's a great rivalry, and I hope I can be more gracious in winning than my Auburn friends have been. Losing is no fun, and looks like you're in for a lot of it. ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!!
Gator Hater/BAMA Cream Puffs said:
posted on September 16, 2007 10:46 AM — 74.249.77.75 — link — abuse?
Keltic,
Your the posterchild for Florida fans, stop the dribble form your mouth boy, you look retarded. As for Auburn, yeah we are having a bad start this 2007 season, I wonder why? ohh yeah we lost 9 starters, and the year before that ohh wait 7 more, so I believe we are starting over again, wait Tommy Tubs is me-de-o-ker, WHAT ohh sorry he is just the active winning coach in the SEC. So National champ, just thought you might want to do your homework before your mouth over runs your 320lb frame of yours. Thanks take care,
Sincerely yours,
Defeater of the NATIONAL CAHMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KG said:
posted on September 16, 2007 3:37 PM — 65.34.218.224 — link — abuse?
GH/BAMA CP,
Ooooooooh so Auburn lost 9 starters. Yes, I can see your point. Florida lost 16 and looks horrible now. Ohio State lost 12 from 2006 and went 12-1 in 07. And d@mn does LSU look pitiful after losing their 8 starters from last year.
Is that going to be the excuse/flavor of the fall? The Auburn admin saw the problems in Tubberville in 2003. The 2004 season essentially just bought Auburn an extended stay for an average coach who can bring the program down to the consistency of Arkansas (below the level of UT, UGA, and SC).
Have fun with dat!
posted on September 16, 2007 5:56 PM — 68.219.90.65 — link — abuse? said:
Little Tyler #91: For the shoe to be on the other foot, Bama would have to beat us, not Miss State. BTW, the next time some Auburn fan gets in your face about losing 5 straight times, you punch them. Tell 'em I said it was okay.
As bad as Auburn has looked, the 10 turnovers in the last two games mitigate the results quite a bit. This football team can still get it together and I think they will.
Okay, new week. K-Hue, time for someone else to be 'Chump Change' this go around...
gatorhippy
posted on September 16, 2007 7:09 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse? said:
T-Cane (#71):
Right on...
That's what happens when you get up at 4 AM to start the smoker and start drinking bourbon instead of coffee...
It should have read:
"And that the BE owns a winning record against only one SEC team on a regular basis: UK @ 12-7"...
As far as the 19 win vs. 20 wins...
I added USF's win against Auburn but forgot to add it in on the school by school breakdown...
Again, not too bad considering three hours of bourbon before sunrise...
Minor discrepancies, but hardly stating a program doesn't exist...
It happens...
Of course, with the UK win yesterday it would be 20-25 now...
T-Mac said:
posted on September 16, 2007 7:38 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
AUtigerman, what's up dogg?
T-Mac hasn't seen any Auburn games this season so, no comment.
Let's not forget though that DJ Hall didn't play in the last 2 series either!
On a side note, that was the worst case of sportsmanship T-Mac has seen in awhile when the Hog defender punched Justin Britt in the face!!!
T-Mac understands it gets ugly at the bottom of the pile, but that was just ridiculous.
*T-Mac approved this message.
Tyler said:
posted on September 16, 2007 8:46 PM — 75.120.236.184 — link — abuse?
War Eagle Atlanta don't try to twist my words. You know darn well that I was talking about kicking someone when they're down, (Alabama has received plenty of that from Auburn fans in this state over the past few years), not which one of us has beaten the other.
If you do want to talk about that, Alabama still leads the series. I think it's something like 38-32. BTW, get used to being that OTHER team in Alabama again.
Tuberville needs a miracle to save his job this year. Administration has already tried to go behind his back and hire another coach before. Do they know something that we don't? That 2004 season just bought him some time. Before this season is over, Auburn fans may be sending him back to Ole Miss in a "pine box".
Gatorboy 40. said:
posted on September 17, 2007 2:58 AM — 138.163.160.43 — link — abuse?
Nloen 1999 post 8.
It would seem that after last years football season, you'd be a little humbled, and keep your fingers crossed. Especially being that, more than likely, there are still some dark days ahead on the remainder of FSU's schedule. If there are simular results this year, then WHO should be fired at the end of this year??? Now can we get back to the subject of the thread?
Gatorboy 40 said:
posted on September 17, 2007 3:07 AM — 138.163.160.41 — link — abuse?
UA, will get it together, for the sake of arguement, if they went undeated from here on out, they would be 10-2, unlikely. Even another loss would put them at 9-3, which is still respectable. I don't believe a coach with a record like Tommy's, just all of a sudden turn into a bad coach. It happens to the best programs, a good coach will make the right adjustments, and rebound. I still believe that UA can beat anybody in the country.
Tomcat said:
posted on September 17, 2007 3:45 AM — 69.148.173.234 — link — abuse?
#109 Gatorboy good post.Yes with the level of competition in CFB today just about anybody can win on a given day and two loses is in no way a true reflection of a teams abilities to win.
#103 WarEagleAtl Yes and every game is different against different competition.The turnovers cost your team and thats why the game is played on the feild and every Saturday is different.While it is very easy for some to be negative and critical of a teams performance it takes courage and determination to overcome adversity in a positive manner.The coach and the team will take what they've learned and use it to their advantage to win against the other opponents.
Go Tulsa Golden Hurricanes
posted on September 17, 2007 11:53 AM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
GH: Yes, time for the Vowels to be the whipping boys this week. I second that nomination. So far this season, we've had Notre Dame and Auburn. Step right up, Vols, that was embarrasing.
Tyler: What are you, 12? Do you mean to tell me that total strangers come up to you and give you shit about Bama losing to Auburn? No? Then they must be friends of yours, and since only pubescent boys do the sort of haranguing you're talking about, I've got to cease arguing with a 9th grader. Later!
Gatorboy: Undefeated here on out with Florida, Arkansas, LSU, Georgia , and Alabama left on the schedule? Not possible, but I like your enthusiasm!
Tyler said:
posted on September 17, 2007 6:14 PM — 75.120.236.184 — link — abuse?
War Eagle Atlanta: You need to get off the crack. I said nothing about total strangers coming up to me.
If you could just stick by your plan and not say anything to me the rest of the football season, I would be thrilled. However, since you're an Auburn fan I hold little hope of that happening.
Considering your location, maybe you should be a GA Tech fan.
I have learned well from my Auburn friends. Kick 'em while they're down. Yeah, one for the toe!
Tyler said:
posted on September 17, 2007 6:18 PM — 75.120.236.184 — link — abuse?
Does anyone else feel that Tuberville will soon be on the hot seat if he can't turn the season around?
Auburn fans were already nervous about Saban coming to Alabama. Now with Tubs embarassing start, they are getting a little restless. Two Auburn fans told me yesterday that Brandon Cox needs to sit down and let someone else play. They also voiced their unhappy opinions of the Tub.
Swampthang41 said:
posted on September 20, 2007 9:29 PM — 138.163.160.43 — link — abuse?
War Eagle Atlanta Post 34. AU will turn it around, I don't see where they really have to make an argument. I still see AU 8-4 at worst. The SEC teams have nothing to make a point of, we will see how it all plays out.
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Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on September 11, 2007 8:23 PM — 76.114.231.180 — link — abuse?Well Kevin......now seriously.....was anything "less" of an excuse expected to be said following an SEC loss to a Beast School?
I think not.........Spin away...."Spin Doctors"...:)