October 23, 2007
Why Tuberville should consider A&M
Paul Finebaum's Press Register piece today examines why Auburn head coach Tommy Tuberville should give serious consideration to a potential vacancy at Texas A&M.
Finebaum manages to sum up Tuberville's situation in four words: Nick Saban's Tennessee win.
In a span of days, Saban brought an utterly demoralized Alabama nation (after two pungent losses and two exasperating wins) to its feet and something tells me there will be no looking back now. Coaching matters and the little things that Saban employs and how he gets players to react will eventually bring championships to the Capstone. It won't happen immediately and there will be more losses this year....
So what does this have to do with Tuberville?
In spite of a valiant effort, Tuberville, the undisputed King of the Road, lost his fourth straight in Tiger Stadium -- where SEC West championship are often decided. It now appears that for the eighth time in his nine seasons at Auburn, he will not win an SEC championship. Saban won two SEC crowns in five years on the Bayou.
Finebaum contends that -- with a signature wood-shedding of Tennessee -- Saban has thrown down the gauntlet that his Crimson Tide teams will compete for the SEC crown year-in and year-out. (Now, it won't start right away, obviously... but you get his drift.) And even though I don't like to be on the same side of the fence with Finebaum, I think he might be right.
Saban has shown at stop after stop that he can motivate players to raise their game and win. And if he is able to do this with the current stock of Alabama talent, just imagine what he might be capable of as the Saban-tooth legend grows.
Regardless of what Tuberville has accomplished, Saban is the king in Alabama for the foreseeable future. In fact, he's so entrenched following the Tennessee win that I'm not sure even a night on the town with Mike Price could derail Saban at this point.
From this point forward, Auburn (and Tuberville) will be second fiddle. Period. It doesn't matter that the Tigers should beat the Tide this year, because "this year" doesn't count in the minds of Bama fans (and maybe even SEC fans, either).
Nick Saban is the rising Tide... and that's that. There's nothing Tuberville can do but get out of the way.
Recruiting? Give the nod to the Tide. Television spots? Gotta go with Slick Nick. Close call for a bowl slot? Ready the RV Nation because Alabama is going to get the spot.
From this point forward, it's going to be uphill sledding for Tubs and the Plainsmen. If Tubervile stays, Auburn may very well have several successful seasons, but they will never be 'Bama, especially with King Nick ascending to the throne.
So if Tubs is having trouble making his decision, I suggest he pop in a DVD and watch the scene in Tuscaloosa on Saturday, as Alabama football inched closer to being relevant again. Watch the crowd cheer at the end of the game. Watch the crowd stay in their seats. Listen to the noise they made.
Meanwhile, down the road a spell, Bear Bryant's old school may come calling. Texas A&M has an exceptionally loyal fan base (current revolving door at head coach notwithstanding). A&M is *definitely* second fiddle to the Longhorns, but A&M has the resources to narrow that gap considerably.
Tuberville isn't one to back down from a fight, but -- from the looks of things in the SEC West -- this might be one he would be better off avoiding.
The Tide is rising.
Comments:
Autigerman said:
posted on October 23, 2007 9:38 AM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
Alabama should get credit for a good win saturday.
I suppose that the absolute inept play of Tennesee had nothing to do with this win.No matter what you say it still comes down to that one week in october.
You seem to forget something, looking to the future I think Auburn will be much stronger next year. Nine starters return on offence nine on defense. 27 freshman have recieved a lot of playing time this year.
This is just more and more of the same ol junk mail.Keep it coming, if anything i think it may motivate Tubbs to stay. He has done things this year that I havent seen him do in previous years such as start true freshmen.
TampaTiger said:
posted on October 23, 2007 9:49 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
Finebaum? Are you kidding me? He's as credible as Britney Spears writing a book on parenting. He's the state of Alabama's Lou Holtz.
I for one am glad to see the Tide winning football games. It'll be nice to have some competition again. I don't want to keep beating a lame-duck Tide team every year, it just takes the wind out of gloating.
"....there's nothing Tuberville can do but get out of the way."? Get out of the way of what? A potential 6 game winning streak against the Tide? Discount the current year and immediate future all you want, but it still doesn't take away from having to prove it on the field.
jonsey said:
posted on October 23, 2007 10:00 AM — 167.197.127.130 — link — abuse?
#2. . . and??? so he started a few freshman. he has to. he has to find a spark in his offense. maybe he should try a new QB instead of cox. maybe another QB won't throw more interceptions than TD's for the rest of the season.
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on October 23, 2007 10:02 AM — 67.97.209.36 — link — abuse?
Hmm. I wouldn't be too quick to annoint Saban the second coming of Bear Bryant just for beating UT. The Vols are having a rough year and Bama has remaining red-letter dates with LSU and Auburn on the schedule.
A&M would be a good landing zone for Tubs. The fan base there is VERY loyal.
OU-Ron
posted on October 23, 2007 10:20 AM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse?
said:
The majority of the Aggie fans that I talk to and even some of the Alumns think it’s already a done deal with Tuberville. I know rumors are just rumors but they all say Tubs is the man for them. If he does not go to A&M, it won’t be because of a lack of money
AUTigers03 said:
posted on October 23, 2007 11:02 AM — 74.239.251.222 — link — abuse?
Not to take way from Alabama win or from Nick SATIN but they only craved up the worst pass defense in the SEC. It should have been a blow out. I think that everyone should wait until he wins a Championship at Alabama before they crown him the King. Until then Tubbs still Top Dog in the state of Alabama. And if he goes to A&M good luck and thanks for all the Great years you gave us.
posted on October 23, 2007 11:46 AM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?War Eagle Atlanta
said:
Drop your rifles and throw your hands up, boys. We can't win this, so we might as well go ahead and surrender!
Boy, Finebaum makes as convincing an arguement as Dick Durbin or John Murtha on why the US should go ahead and surrender to the terrorists.
God, I hate it when you make me go and read the bald-headed little troll's columns. Goebbels had nothing on Finebaum when it came to getting the word out.
For those of you too lazy to read the column, I'll boil it down to you in one sentence: "Dear Tuberville, Nick Saban is so good, you better get out of town now because he won't let you win any more after this year, and Auburn will soon be relegated back to red-headed stepchild status."
This whole epiphany came about because Bama blew out a Jekyl/Hyde Volunteer team? Shouldn't we also first read tea leaves and gaze into the crystal ball before we commit ourselves?
Hilarious! Seriously, is this all Finebaum's got? Two columns on the same subject within 4 weeks. All is this is a retelling of his current wet dream...
If Bama wants to retake their top dog status in the state, then they'll have to do it on the field. Saban may bring them glory again, but always remember this: No team in the SEC has a better record historically against Alabama than Auburn. I don't see that changing anytime soon...
But if Tuberville wishes to leave, I can't blame him. Auburn owes him a free pass after the Petrino affair. But why go all the way to Texas when other jobs might open up here in the region? Like Florida State, Georgia Tech, or Clemson...
TampaTiger said:
posted on October 23, 2007 12:22 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
War Eagle Atlanta (#10)
Well said. You and I both know, as Auburn fans and alumn that every year, Bama fans (and media) say the same thing....Bama's back!!...next year.
As far as Tubs...his recruiting pipeline is in the south, particularly Mississippi, Georgia and Florida. Tubs has no exposure in Texas or the mid-west. If Tubs feels it's time to go, I hope he stays south of the Mason Dixon so I can check in on him from time to time.
taggy80 said:
posted on October 23, 2007 12:32 PM — 158.35.225.231 — link — abuse?
As hard as it is for me to admit - the Aggies are number two to Texas right now, just as Texas was number two to us during the late 80's and early 90's - it's fact look it up. I have also heard from within A&M that it is a done deal - Tuberville is coming to A&M. Before you SEC fellas start talking about how it is a step down you may be right this year - and next - but things change have you forgotten how dominating Nebraska was, or Oklahoma, or even Texas in the 70's? Yes things change and the Big 12 will also have its time as the number one conference in the country.
OU-Ron
posted on October 23, 2007 12:35 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
War Eagle, I personally can’t see the reason why Tuberville would consider leaving Auburn for A&M. Your point about him not leaving the region because other jobs could be opening up is true and you can even add LSU to that list, no one knows what might happen at Michigan at this point, if Carr does step down at the end of the season, you can bet they will make a run at Miles. If he goes to A&M , he will have to fight Texas and OU for the recruits and I think that will be a losing battle.
Big Tide said:
posted on October 23, 2007 12:39 PM — 12.208.88.211 — link — abuse?
I haven't taken the bait from any of these Barners concerning Auburn football, Tommy Tubberville or their current winning streak against Alabama, but I have to throw in my 2 cents.
First, EVERY Alabama alumnus and fan that I know would take 10 losses in a row Auburn (or any team in the country)to finally get a well qualified, proven head coach. Those losses to Auburn were the foundation for the hiring of Nick Saban. So quit gloating about something that was really a blessing for us in SO MANY WAYS!
Second, (and this is my opinion)Tubberville started making plans to leave Auburn the day Saban was hired. You may or may not want to believe that, but after jet-gate Tubby has just been waiting for the right deal to come along. He's got NO connection to Auburn and was basically run out of town, only the cast of idiots in charge of running Tubberville off botched the job so BADLY that they had no choice but to keep him around. Talk about putting everyone in a horrible situation, Tubberville was suddenly like the husband that finds out his wife has been sleeping around. Do you stay in the marriage for the sake of the kids or just bolt? Then low and behold the next year he goes undefeated and Auburn fans that were just cussing him left and right (yeah, I know several) start talking about him with glowing praise or at least in accepting terms. Now back to my point, Tubberville knows that he has been the beneficiary of some incredible luck when it comes to the state of the Alabama program. NCAA sanctions, coaches sleeping with their secretaries and then having some strange religious conversion during the season, one coach getting fired before he ever coached a game and then another head coach with NO EXPERIENCE trying to learn on the job. It isn't too difficult to recruit (and Win) against your primary rival under those circumstances. Just ask Pat Dye, the last beneficiary of a Bama downturn, and probably the only coach in America to NOT WIN A NATIONAL TITLE and yet have the school name their frick'in field after him. At Bama just winning an SEC title or two doesn't get the field named after you!! So hell yeah Tubbby knows the gig is up. Alabama has the history, the resources and now the coach to begin rebuilding our program to the level it should be - which is competing for the SEC every year and playing for the National Championship when the cards fall our way.
Finally, to GatorGreg (#9) put down the bong or the beer can and try and make an intelligent post. Alabama has played in more SEC Championship games than any team in the West. What in the hell would make you think we are going to be stuck in 2nd or 3rd place behind anybody? And after you get through waxing your Tim Tebow doll how about looking up Alabama's record against Florida. That might be something to meditate on while we get ready to beat LSU's ass in two weeks.
TE
posted on October 23, 2007 12:42 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
So...Florida hangs 60 on Tennessee...Cal hangs 45 on Tennessee...and yet a 41-17 win at home for Alabama is a "signature" win?
What decent opponent isn't beating UT right now? What kind of statement is that?
If you think Tuberville's scared of Alabama, then you're dreaming. If you think Tuberville's scared of Saban, then you're still in that REM cycle. If you think Tuberville's scared of Saban at Bama, then you might not ever wake up.
Tuberville had a winning record against Saban when Saban had a far more fertile recruiting ground and far more talented teams, straight up, during his tenure in Tiger Town...
Tuberville's played three Top 15 programs this year, and lost to South Florida early (When no one realized they had put it together yet), they beat Florida-AT FLORIDA, and they lost to LSU in a tough, hard fought game that could've honestly gone either way on the road.
He still has yet to play Bama, but I think its safe to say he hasn't exactly been waving a white flag recently...
Let's see the Iron Bowl before we start anointing anyone after a victory over The Big Pumpkin himself, aka-Phil Fulmer...It's almost midnight for him, anyway...That defense does a mean impersonation of the Washington Generals anytime they face a decent squad...
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on October 23, 2007 12:45 PM — 75.120.247.21 — link — abuse?
Amazing, Kevin puts together a very good article and Auburn fans remain in denial. Almost everyone can see the handwriting on the wall except those "head in the sand" people in lower Alabama.
They still want to believe that things aren't going to change in the SEC. Of course this is the last year for 12th year senior Brandon Cox. That means big changes for the offense. Over the years Auburn has played good defense but their offense is always up and down like a yo yo.
All that Kevin is doing is suggesting a way that Tubbs can leave now and save face. I for one hope that he stays. Payback is hell!
Auburn fans, don't get bitter, get better. Kevin is right on this one.
On a sidenote, isn't it funny how Tennessee was supposed to beat Alabama and now that they've taken an old fashioned butt whippin they were nothing this year and Alabama just kicked around the door mat of the SEC? No big deal there.
TE
posted on October 23, 2007 12:50 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
BigTide...As you search for existentialism through a haze of bongsmoke, I beseech you to please layoff the mushrooms...
Do you realize you said you'd "Beat our @ss" in two weeks? Seriously?
I'm all for being confident (Lord knows I've predicted three straight beatdowns and been wrong all three times), but do you really, in your heart of Bama (cheating) hearts, think that Sarah Jessica Parker Wilson and company are going to do anything with us? Seriously? Onside kicks and a swiss cheese defense may make you feel like you're an Emperor with a new outfit on Lincoln Financial broadcasts at 11:30, but the reason neither of you were ranked and the reason you were on the "regional" broadcast Saturday is because both Tennessee & Bummer are also-ran programs. Monolithic old statues, like the heads on Easter Island, or ancient ruins of the Aztecs. Just because you hired a new curator doesn't mean you're not still a bunch of fossils, my friend...
I can't wait for Nov. 3rd myself...But, seriously...Let's not kid ourselves...Or better yet...let's. What's your prediction for the game, pray tell?
Autigerman said:
posted on October 23, 2007 12:54 PM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
Good to see you Sweet home
You guys played good saturday. But to imply that this Tennesse win is a signature wood sheading and some writing on the wall is at best a huge exaggeration. Finebaum is sort of noted for this kind of article
I have a hard time believeing that Tennessee will get through this season with less then six losses which is hardly the numbers of a powerhouse team.
Still your team showed some promise should be a good one on the plains.
jonsey said:
posted on October 23, 2007 1:17 PM — 167.197.127.130 — link — abuse?
TE:15 Bama lost two games in a row in a three game tough area of there scheduel. And the Georgia game could have went either way. Your forgetting that Tenn. scored 31 on Cal.- and they beat GA. And Tenn did something Auburn didn't, beat MSU...
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on October 23, 2007 2:00 PM — 75.120.245.195 — link — abuse?
With permission I would like to reprint part of an ESPN article that relates to last Saturday's Alabama, regional broadcast over a meanless Tennessee team.
SAN ANTONIO, Texas — University of Alabama wide receiver D.J. Hall is one of four nominees for the AT&T All-America Player of the Week award, and now it’s up to the fans to determine the winner. Hall joins Tulane University running back Matt Forte, University of Oregon running back Jonathan Stewart and UCLA corner back Al Verner on the ballot list, which was selected by ESPN based on the players’ outstanding performances during the week. Fans can determine the winner by text messaging VOTE to 87654 on their wireless phone.
Hall had 13 receptions for 185 yards and two touchdowns in their 41-17 upset over Tennessee. Forte set a Conference USA record with 342 yards on 38 attempts with five touchdowns in the Green Wave’s 41-34 overtime win over SMU. He scored the winning touchdown. Stewart rushed 32 times for a career-high 251 yards and two touchdowns in the Duck’s 55-34 win over Washington. Verner posted two tackles for loss with two interceptions including a 76-yard interception return for a touchdown in the Bruins’ 30-21 win over No. 12 Cal.
Fans have until 11:59 p.m. EST on Wednesday to submit their votes. The winner will be announced Oct. 25 during Thursday’s ESPN College Football Primetime Presented by Applebee’s college football game between Boston College and Virginia Tech. There is no limit on fan voting, and each vote counts as one entry into a sweepstakes to win a trip to the 2008 BCS National Championship game in New Orleans, La. The AT&T All-America Player of the Week program will continue throughout the season, with the nominees being revealed each Sunday on ESPN SportsCenter at 9 a.m. ET and on the Web at www.espnallamerica.com.
Rammer Jammer said:
posted on October 23, 2007 2:05 PM — 199.89.170.92 — link — abuse?
I can't believe you Auburn fans are getting all worked up over this.
Paul Feinbaum makes his living pissing off the fans of Bama and Au. To say that he (Finebaum) is biased either way is ridiculous.
I have listened to his show on many of occasions. And every time I listen he makes my blood boil.
If LSU beats Bama, he will have diarrhea of the mouth about how Nick Saban is over-rated and Au is back in the driver’s seat. It's how he makes his living. He can't piss off one team or the other too much because the fans of said team will simply stop listening.
No listeners = No money
AUtigers03"...Nick Satin..."
Did you come up with that all by yourself???RTR
Autigerman said:
posted on October 23, 2007 2:34 PM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
Rammer
You make a valid point.
Finebaum is a Tennessee fan.
Any shot he can take at Bama or Auburn he will do it. Guess it just made more since to him this week after his beloved Volunteers got spanked to try and piss off Auburn.
GatorGreg said:
posted on October 23, 2007 2:44 PM — 66.89.151.21 — link — abuse?
@Big Tide, here is your stats:
Regular season schedule for Florida
1990 Florida Wins(17-13
1991 Florida Wins(35-0)
1992 Alabama Wins(21-28)
1993 Florida Wins(28-13)
1998-Florida Wins(16-10)
1999-Alabama Wins(39-40)
2005-Alabama Wins(3-31)
2006-Florida Wins(28-13)Florida leads the series 5-3 since 1990
SEC Championship Games since 1992
1992 Alabama Wins 21-28
1993 Florida Wins 28-13
1994 Florida Wins 24-23
1996 Florida Wins 45-30
1999 Alabama Wins 7-34Florida leads the SEC Championship series 3-2
And as I stated, you have been #2,#3 or worse since 2000 and haven't been anything worth a damn since Bear Bryant’s days except for your 92 NC. You along with the rest of the tide nation are living in a fantasy world. But hey, there is always next year or is it hey, were rebuilding this year, give us 2 years.You may want to pick up a 12 pack or so to drown your sorrows after another season of you watching another team play in the SEC championship game.
Rammer Jammer said:
posted on October 23, 2007 3:45 PM — 199.89.170.92 — link — abuse?
C'mon TE
I have high expectations from you. Surely you can do better than that.
Try again. And this time, leave me in awe of your insane literary skills (as it would relate to your cumulative win/loss post)
Fire away, ole' silver tongue one
RTR
TE
posted on October 23, 2007 3:54 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
Sometimes, while caught up in a daytime doldrum, I go to the well, and the well is dry...
Unfortunately, work is calling...but, I'll leave you with this...
If Les Miles is winning with Nick Saban's players...
If Urban Meyer's won a championship with Ron Zook's players...
Then, can it be said that Alabama has been losing with Bear Bryant's fans?
Rammer Jammer said:
posted on October 23, 2007 4:12 PM — 199.89.170.92 — link — abuse?
TE
As I've stated on this site before: Bama fans are not the one's dwelling on Coach Bryant; it's the fans of all other schools.
It's OK, TE. You're not the first one to prove my point, and undoubtedly you won't be the last.
Bama fans have let go of Coach Bryant. Could everyone else please do the same? Thanks
BTW- Are you in a writer's slump today???
"Jessica Parker Wilson" Now that's funny!!!
RTRBham Tiger said:
posted on October 23, 2007 4:38 PM — 67.78.225.112 — link — abuse?
Oh my god!!! There is a Bammer out there that actualy believes that the Bear is dead? I never thought I would see the day. Do me a favor, stop by my office on your way home this evening. There are several of your Bammer faithful around here that need to hear it from a fellow Bammer. It might be better if you break it to them rather than me, because they wouldn't believe me. Can you also tell them that Sabin is not the Bear resurrected.
PS: When you say Bama Fans with an "s" does that mean that there are more believers out there?
Big Tide said:
posted on October 23, 2007 5:03 PM — 12.208.88.211 — link — abuse?
TE, I can assure you I am completely sober (now there was a time many years ago....) and just tired of all the BS from everyone concerning the state of Alabama football. We're down. We've been down for a few years and we are well aware that there are more talented teams in the SEC. But you damn right I said "getting ready to beat LSU's ass." We are preparing hard and if the ball bounces our way there is every reason to think we can win that game. Are you kidding? You guys lost to Kentucky, you know damn well you can lose in Tuscaloosa. My main point was to try and educate GatorGreg to the fact that of the three teams he says we will always trail in the West we've beaten one (Arkansas) and have yet to play the other two (LSU and Auburn) and we are preparing to Beat LSU's Ass. Wow, I said it again.
Since I'm in the mood for a history lesson, let me educate you as well Ol'TE the Tiger. Bama had played in 5 SEC Championship games before your Tigers ever sniffed the rug in Atlanta and at this point your Tigers have played in 3 to our 5, so why don't you right me a ditty about how it feels to be back there running in second position behind that Big Tide of success coming out of Tuscasloosa. By the way, who was the coach that finally brought you to the promise land - oh yeah, he's sitting in Bear's old office. And as for your current season, Florida had you beat at home and that finish with Auburn was nothing short of a miracle, so take it easy with the LSU is going to coast through the rest of their schedule kind of thinking. Just a suggestion.
GatorGreg, unlike Florida we didn't start playing football in 1990 so let's take a look at those records ALL TIME. Yeah I know you all hate it but don't let the facts get in the way of the truth. Here are the total wins and losses. I left out any ties.
Alabama 10 Arkansas 8
Alabama 38 Auburn 32
Alabama 21 Florida 13
Alabama 35 Georgia 25
Alabama 45 Tennessee 38
Alabama 43 LSU 22
Alabama 44 Ole Miss 9
Alabama 71 Miss St 17Yeah I know it sucks, but Alabama has a winning record against the entire SEC. I know that must hurt, but let it sink in - it ain't gonna change.
I just find it hard to believe that any of you LSU or Auburn fans can get such a rush from your recent success against a Tide program beset with all manner of shortcomings. And if you want to think Tubby is going to stay in Auburn or that Les Miles isn't going to bolt to Mighigan then keep thinking that too. But don't worry about Alabama, we're all feeling fine. We've got a lot of football left to play this year and I think we are moving in the right direction.
TE
posted on October 23, 2007 5:21 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
Is that why that guy has the full body back ink of the Bear he's always showing off (along with a prodigious amount of what can only barely be construed as "backfat")? Or that all the girls wear those Houndstooth hats?
Gimme a break, dude...You know you guys were the ones bankrolling that South Korean crackpot clone doctor and his efforts over in Doggie Chow Mein land, in the blind hopes that you could scrape some marrow off, mix it with some Jack Daniels & Wild Turkey, and recreate some Neo-Golden Age of Bama football...
Get over it...The Baaayyyur is daid, Saban's Balding, and Bama's flat busted at the big craps table that is College Football...
posted on October 23, 2007 5:24 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Thanks, Tiger Ed for the arm's length analysis in post #15. I couldn't have said it better myself.
OU Ron: You're right, it just doesn't add up for Tubs to go the Big 12 and start totally fresh. There would have to be some awfully big money involved and some sort of secret pact that he could get the Dallas Cowboys' HC job at some point in the future, which is a fantasy.
Sweet Home: Post links to articles, don't quote them directly. It makes you look smarter than you are by having all that copy to read.
Big Tide: You strike me as a totally reasonable, well-grounded Alabama fan. I enjoy reading most of your posts. But I can't believe that you believe that Tuberville would bolt like a scared little sissie over the arrival of Nick Saban. Saban will turn Bama around, there's no doubt in my mind. The only question is if their fans will give him enough time.
Rammer: It's Sarah Jessica Parker Wilson to you!
TE
posted on October 23, 2007 5:36 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
BigTide, you must be a Springsteen fan...Because all you keep talking about are "Glory Days"...
Talking about the 90's? Are you serious? Well, I guess Bama fans must be, since you haven't been to Atlanta in this MILLENIUM, dude...
Seriously...Mike DuBose was the last coach to get you there, and he CHEATED to do it! We all know Gene Stallings wasn't exactly pure as the driven snow, either...Like that old Hank Williams, Jr., standard, it seems-in the best of Alabama traditions-they were just, "Carrying On an Old Family Tradition," weren't they?
You can't buy integrity, and believe me, by buying Nick "I won't be the next head coach at Alabama" Saban, you definitely by any class. You can probably buy your way to a few more wins, but this whole thread with you Kotex Crimson Tider's trying to walk Tuberville out the door is as much frought with hilarity as it is transparent:
You're scared of having to deal with Tuberville & Miles, year in and year out.
You're scared of recruiting against him, year in and year out.
You saw Saban fail-miserably-with Louisiana recruits, and also with Mobile (aka-Baton Rouge Southeast) with top kids like Phelon Jones and Sidell Corley. You saw Bama completely whiff on another Mobile kid in JaMarcus Russell. You know Tuberville does a good job and always fields tough teams.
You can smell the fear...like the Whiskey on the Late Bear's Breath...and it stinks...
Buy a dog, Bama fans...But, please...Do us all a favor...Stop naming them all Bear, okay?
Autigerman said:
posted on October 23, 2007 5:55 PM — 72.205.222.229 — link — abuse?
Dont you just love the leather helmet stats that Bama fans quote with such ease.
They must teach this stuff in Tuscaloosa grade school because im pretty sure many on the fans filling the stadium have no idea who Bear Bryant is.
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on October 23, 2007 6:04 PM — 75.120.242.46 — link — abuse?
Bottomline on all this attacking BAMA is that everytime an article is printed, i.e. "Auburn is chump change", about Auburn, the Auburn few come out of the wood work to jump on BAMA fans. If you have the guts, go after Kevin. He wrote the article.
posted on October 23, 2007 6:22 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Sweet Home: All I said is that some dunces on here might think you came up with that on your own. I doubt you got any permission, but that wasn't the point.
If all you have to say is someone else's words, why bother? You can reference something, but provide your own analysis/commentary.
It's Bama fans' job to be attracted to all posts about Auburn, and vice-versa. I know the most about Auburn football, but I know Bama football the second most, so I can comment intelligently on most subjects concerning the Capstone.
I'd daresay that I know more about the history of Alabama football than 80% of their fans. And I never trash their program on here, just some of their fans. Same thing? Nope, it's not.
posted on October 23, 2007 6:31 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
AUTigerman: Now, now. All good Bammers know who Bryant was. A lot more of them than ours who knew who Shug was.
There's nothing wrong with having a bit of nostalgia about yourself. People use Bear as a weapon against Bama fans and it has gotten a bit old. The biggest problem I have with Bama fans is all of them thinking hook, line, and sinker that they really own 12 national championships.
I'm a traditionalist. If you're going to quote statistics, quote them all, unless the topic timeline is properly defined beforehand. You NEVER hear me say that Auburn is such and such record against Bama SINCE whatever year. You get the entire record: 32-38-1, bad guys.
But we're working real hard to change that...
Rusty Shackleford said:
posted on October 23, 2007 6:41 PM — 72.146.31.136 — link — abuse?
Bama, you are all just jealous because you're not sponsered by Under Armour. Oh yea, I have a brother, 2 sisters, and 3 cousins who are all going into kindergardin and have never witnessed Alabama win an Iron Bowl. Amen to that, WAR EAGLE!
Big Tide said:
posted on October 23, 2007 7:45 PM — 12.208.88.211 — link — abuse?
War Eagle Atlanta #41, I'm in the investment business (that's why I spend way too much time in front of this computer) and I try not to deal in emotion. I never said Tubberville was scared of Saban, but college football is Tubberville's business so let's take a look at his balance sheet. Saban's hiring changed the landscape. Recruiting just got a lot harder. His side of the SEC, the West, just got harder (unless you think like Gator Greg or whatever his name is). On top of this, the expectations from his fan base have increased, especially since everyone knows he's a great recruiter and he was undefeated just a couple of seasons ago. These coaches don't view football like fans do. I'll be a Bama fan no matter who the coach is, just like you will be an Auburn fan. But ask yourself one question, do you think Tommy Tubberville truly sees himself at Auburn for the rest of his coaching career? I don't, especially when the man that hired him tried to run him off in the middle of the night. Maybe I'm wrong. It's got nothing to do with being scared, it just that coaches like to follow the path of least resistance and more money - typically. There are exceptions, like Saban who are willing to jump in a pressure cooker. But Saban won't stay around long either. He's a hired gun and everyone knows it. But back to Tubberville, a move to a school like A&M, flush with oil money, BIG MONEY, desperate for a good coach. Man that's hard to turn down. Especially from a boy who grew up tough in Arkansas.
If Tubberville leaves do I think Auburn will get a quality coach - yes. In a few years Patrick Nix (the current OC at Miami) will be ready to come back home and that guy may end up giving the entire SEC West more than they can handle.
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on October 23, 2007 7:54 PM — 75.120.242.46 — link — abuse?
Good post Big Tide.
Auburn has enjoyed a great run during the worst of times at the Capstone. AU fans don't take that into consideration when they swell that chest and strut like roosters.
The day is coming when we are going to meet them on a level playing field and I don't think that Tubbs wants an even Steven match. Saban is a pressure coach. I don't think the Tubber is.
Big Tide said:
posted on October 23, 2007 8:03 PM — 12.208.88.211 — link — abuse?
TE, I don't know where you're based but I'm sure there is a good therapist in your town. I think you've actually got a complex concerning Alabama. Why don't you lie down on your sofa and watch the replay of your last National Championship game - oh yeah that wouldn't work because the guy coaching your team is now the coach at Alabama. Well why don't you dig through your scapbook and look at the clippings from your last SEC Championship season prior to the 2001 season when "you know who" was coaching (I don't want to say his name since that would remind you of Bama). Those clippings are probably a little yellow because I think it was - yeah 1988!! 1988. So you didn't even win one in the 90's, no wonder you don't like to think about them. Now I'm not living in the past, but those that don't know the past are doomed to repeat it. Just give St. Nick a little time....hell, he might beat you guys in two weeks. What would they say about Les Miles and the might Tigers.
By the way, I am a Springsteen fan! I got to meet him ice skating in Sun Valley, Idaho last year between Christmas and New Year. He a short little guy, but damn he can sing.
Tomcat said:
posted on October 23, 2007 8:22 PM — 69.152.139.75 — link — abuse?
Rumors of Tubberville coming to Texas A&M, are probably true and I seriuosly doubt they have anything to do with who Bama has as head coach.
Texas A&M has everything in place for the right coach to be successful.The fan base, the stadium, the recruiting, the alumi and the money.
One thing is for sure, you go undefeated in the XII youre going to the N.C. game.
Whats up with TE ? hittin the bong I suppose?
LSU has a great team, but come on man we all saw the 1 loss and two near misses
Hookem-Horns
tigernator said:
posted on October 23, 2007 10:26 PM — 68.113.121.233 — link — abuse?
Big Tide - funny you should mention that. As an Auburn fan I've been watching Patrick Nix since he was only the "backup quarterback and son of a coach". My expectations for this year were low, but I was kind of hoping for Borges to have another 'breakout' season and get hired somewhere else so that Nix could come home and be our OC. (I still remember being in the stands when he came in for White and beat Bama on his first play.)
Well, maybe next year...
To all you Tubby detractors - I've been a big Saban fan from way back when and I have no doubt that he will give the mullet nation their moneys worth. But I don't think Tuberville is afraid of anybody, especially somebody whose skin is thinner than tracing paper! Tubs may just be at Auburn long after old St. Nick blows T'town!
To the mullet nation - All you talk about is how Auburn has only won 5 in a row because of Alabama's "misfortunes". What you always neglect to mention is that Alabama only leads the series because they took 9 or 10 in a row when Auburn was at their absolute lowest. (An old, doddering, but beloved head coach's last days; then 5 years under the dunderhead that replaced him; then the inevitable rebuilding when Dye came aboard) How come when we have a streak it's just dumb luck, but when ya'll have a streak it's because it's Bama's birthright?
Is it just me or am I the only one here old enough to remember all that? (Good God! I think that's it. I just realized that I was in the stands for Shug's last home game. And wearing white when we were the home team! And the occasional orange jersey! Someone shoot me! Better yet, get me some prune juice!)
Zac said:
posted on October 23, 2007 10:47 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
I'm neither an AL nor Auburn fan. It matters not to me one way or the other who coaches either team. Though, as with any school out there, it's preferable that coaching is done with honesty, integrity, and passion; i.e. a true love for something greater than one's self: College Football, as it pertains to the school for which he works.
That, of course, is being idealistic. Were either Saban or Tubberville made of such stuff, either would be up there next to the "2nd Coming". Alas, each is human, and as humans, each has their own frailties and faults, not to mention strengths. Fear of the other doesn't fall in the category of either man's faults. Logic, on the other hand, may be an issue.
Currently, Auburn is on top, regarding their rivalry with Bama over the past 15 years or so. Saban is in his 1st year with the Tide. Yet, some "peck & fly" journalist (Finebaum) is trying to convince Tubberville he should flee to the TX A&M job before Saban brings Bama back from the dead to take over as #1 in AL again. Where's the logic? Currently TX A&M is #2 to TX. Why should Tubberville yield this holy #1 spot to another coach (not just Saban, but the one which takes over at Auburn), just to step into #2 status? This makes no sense to me.
Now, I don't know Diddley about the goings on, if any, between TX A&M and Tommy Tuberville. I can only guess, were he to stay at Auburn, he'd do just fine. (A team can go a long way with an unyielding defense.) Likely the worst that would happen with him at the helm over the next 10-20 years; he'd come to a draw with Saban. If, however, there are goings on involving TX A&M, it has nothing to do with Saban, and everything to do with Tubberville wanting to bring another storied program back from the depths; like what he did for Auburn. (I agree with those who've said recruiting will be more difficult in this region.)
What ever happens with Tubberville, it'll be on his terms; it will not be influenced by anyone coaching any team in the SEC, nor by jousting with some journalist who thinks he's worthy of a Pulitzer. Tommy don't back down to nobody, he is blessed with too much class, and is cursed with too much pride to stoop that low. I, for one, hopes he sticks around. If not, best of luck in all your travels, TT; may God be between you and harm in all the empty places you walk.
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on October 23, 2007 11:46 PM — 75.120.242.46 — link — abuse?
tigernator you have sure pleased the tractor nation with your post. May I point out that Finebaum is no more a friend of Bama than he is Auburn. Seems that you guys in the tractor nation always want to pretend that Finebaum is pro Bama when he writes these articles. He is simply trying to build ratings. Regardless of who is having and up or down year get back to us when Auburn leads the series.
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on October 23, 2007 11:53 PM — 75.120.242.46 — link — abuse?
Zac it looks like if Auburn had the # 1 spot, as you put it, they would be winning the SEC championship on a regular basis. Granted they did have a couple of undefeated seasons. BTW, when Auburn went undefeated a few years ago, Buster Brown bought all of them rings like they had won the national championship. Did Tubbs not think of that? He may not have another opportunity, especially if he leaves for A&M in his infamous pine box.
tigernator said:
posted on October 24, 2007 12:11 AM — 68.113.121.233 — link — abuse?
Sweet Home - My opinion of Finebaum as an equal opportunity offender notwithstanding, what in the world does he have to do with my post? I certainly didn't bring him up. It seems as though you have intentionally sidestepped the issue - or perhaps you didn't understand it to begin with. The question was basically how come when Auburn does something it's just dumb luck, but when Bama does it it's a sign of 'dominance'? Just a friendly question, not at all something you should get your dander up about.
Unless, of course, the answer revealed a fatal flaw in Bammer logic...
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on October 24, 2007 12:24 AM — 75.120.242.46 — link — abuse?
Calm down tigernate. I was actually supposed to be replying to someone else. My bad. Okay you caught me now try to stay calm. Take some deep breaths. The Auburn faithful have taken another beating today, much like when the chump change article appeared on this blog.
Andrew R said:
posted on October 24, 2007 12:47 AM — 75.90.64.39 — link — abuse?
Rammer Jammer Bammer, Thank you for the grammer lesson but... quote "When you say Bama Fans with an "s" does that mean that there are more believers out there?" can you show me where in that sentence where I made fans look possessive? Looks to me like I was using it in a plural spelling too. Let me Bammer proof it for you. Are there anymore Bammers like you who believe the Bear is really dead? I have never met one.
OU Fan said:
posted on October 24, 2007 5:59 AM — 139.139.51.70 — link — abuse?
In my opinion, unless Tubberville just wants a change in his life, I don't see why he would want to leave Auburn. The Big 12 is a great conference and is highly competitive and Texas A&M would welcome him with open arms, but I think he is doing just fine at Auburn. Yea, ATM does have a loyal fan base and would support him to the fullest, but I think he has it good at Auburn. I'm not much of an Auburn fan nor am I much of a fan of the SEC, but from what I noticed while living in Alabama for a short period of time was that Auburn fans were pretty loyal to their team and coach and Auburn is a large and nice university with a pretty big stadium. If Tubberville wants a change he should bolt off to ATM but if not, he has it good at Auburn. And who cares if Nick Saban is head coach for Alabama. I'm sure Auburn will continue to play Alabama tough and instead of Auburn dominating the series like they have been recently, the Tigers and the Tide will probably start to go back and forth with wins. Just my opinion. BOOMER SOONER!!
TampaTiger said:
posted on October 24, 2007 9:53 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
I for one can't seem to put my finger on this whole Tubs leaving to A&M rumor. Everywhere I read, you have people saying they are close to A&M alumn and they say it's already a done deal, but I also see people saying the complete opposite! No where in anything I've read has there been a consistant concensus that Tubs is even considering A&M. Just a thought, as far back as I can seem to find info on, an Auburn head coach has not chosen to leave Auburn for another coaching job since I believe, 1922 when Iron Mike left to coach at LSU. It is unclear though why he left. If it turns out it wasn't his choice, you have to go all the way back to John Heisman in 1899 to find a head coach that voluntarily left.
GatorGreg said:
posted on October 24, 2007 9:57 AM — 66.89.151.21 — link — abuse?
@47 Sweet Home:
I went back nearly twenty years!!! They split series back in 86/87 and never played again through the 80's. I don't give a rat’s ass how Bama/UF performed back in the 60's/70's. If you do want to go back through the 60's/70's however because BAMA fans live in the past, Bama leads the series 4-2 through those 2 decades, however, Florida still leads the alltime series 11-10. Next Im sure you will want to know how you beat up on FSU when they were an all girls school.
This is the quote from your idiot fellow brethren: And after you get through waxing your Tim Tebow doll how about looking up Alabama's record against Florida. That might be something to meditate on while we get ready to beat LSU's ass in two weeks.He asked for a comparison and I threw it in his face to prove he doesn’t know sh*% about Bama football. If you idiots want to keep denying that you’re the Nebraska of the SEC, fine, but don't start running your mouths like you have been a force to reckon with the last 10 years. The past is the past, nobody on here cares what you were, it’s who you are today that matters, always second or worse in the west!
Bleed Crimson
posted on October 24, 2007 10:43 AM — 68.62.129.185 — link — abuse? said:
Bama/Saban Haters:
The reason the Tennessee win was so big, was because it shows that Saban isn't just all hype. Everyone can see now that we're on the rise.
Also, 41-17 is a big win over Tennessee. The only other teams that couldve done it are LSU and Florida.
The Tennessee win just shows that football is different here now.
For some reason people are having trouble accepting the change. SHULA IS GONE!!!! we're worth a damn now. Alabama beats teams like tennessee, 41-17 now.Bottom Line: Tuberville is undeniably a great coach, BUT, he cannot out-recruit Nick Saban. He cant even come close. Every decent High School player in Alabama has chosen the tide over the tigers so far. Tubs just cant win the recruiting battle. It says nothing about him as a coach, it just says that he's competing against a college football juggernaut. He's competing against one of the wealthiest/biggest/storied programs in the country. He's competing against Nick Saban.
Anyone can compete with Alabama/Saban, except for Auburn. It doesn't matter who the head coach is, as long as Saban is the coach at bama, Auburn will never be able to compete. It all has to do with in-state recruiting.
Sometimes, the truth hurts...
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on October 24, 2007 10:50 AM — 75.120.242.46 — link — abuse?
Gator Greg you have a limited memory. You talk about how bama fans live in the past. 1990 is the past. Stop acting as though 20 years ago is not the past. Even last year is now the past. You too want to live in the past, just not more than 15 years or so. It's all or nothig when you start comparing. Get it?
tigernate if you wouldn't ramble on so much you might get answers. Your tirades are so boring they put fans to sleep. (Yawn)
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on October 24, 2007 10:56 AM — 75.120.242.46 — link — abuse?
Bleed Crimson, these Bama haters are so blinded by hatred that they will never see or admit that there is a difference at the Capstone. Anyone could have beaten Shula. Now we have a coach who is teaching players how to play for 60 minutes and it is making a big difference.
This is the first time in many years that Alabama has had real hope and been able to compete. We currently have a better record than Auburn and the tractor nation is hating it.
TampaTiger said:
posted on October 24, 2007 11:01 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
Bleed Crimson (#69)--In-state recruiting is not where Tubs's recruiting strengths are, with or without Saban. If you look at Auburn's current roster you will find only 51 state of Alabama players to our 64 out of state players. Tubs recruits heavily in GA, FL and MS. Most of our out of state recruits come from GA an FL. Come February Bama will def have their share of in-state recruits, but so will Auburn. The difference will be in out of state recruits, and Tubs has shown that he can recruit very well out of the state.
With that said, I genuinly am excited that Bama has finally begun to move back up into SEC West contention. I think everyone would agree that the Iron Bowl is a special game, made even more special when AU and UA both field quality teams.
Big Tide said:
posted on October 24, 2007 11:05 AM — 12.208.88.211 — link — abuse?
GatorGreg (#68) OK, you win. I don't know shit about Alabama football and you guys own the all time series record. I'm sending a letter to the sports information office today so they can change that in the media guide. What is obvious is that you know nothing about what's going on THIS YEAR when you post that we are always going to be behind Arkansas, LSU and Auburn in the West when we've already beaten Arkansas THIS YEAR. Did you miss that game? After having a football program that was on life support for a time, Florida is enjoying a nice run. Good for you. Why are you so worried about what Alabama fans are doing if things are so great in Gator Country. Florida is a two loss SEC team right now. Get over it. You may be a three loss team after this weekend.
Alabama Football carried the banner for the SEC for a lot of years. We have brought prestige to the league and made it a ton of money. The fact that some of you in the conference don't like that, can't admit that, whatever is not my problem. It doesn't change the truth and like Bleed Crimson pointed out our program is heading in the right direction. Stay tuned and I can't wait for the next Bama vs. Florida Championsip Game so we can finally tie the series.
gatorstud said:
posted on October 24, 2007 11:27 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
big tide #74...whoa...whoa...whoa.....do you actuall think that gerogia is going to beat us this weekend......i don't know if you have been keeping up on current events....but i cannot see in any way that the bulldykes can beat us this weekend...we have way to much offensive power......and i will take our defense over georgia's inept offense any day of the week and twice on sunday....although i would of never thoough that vandy would of beat a steve spurrier team....
and yes....tebow will pad his heisman stats.....
and before you start dreaming of a florida alabama sec champ. game...try getting through your division first.....and there isn't a 2-loss team in the country better that florida....we lost our two games by a combined 7 pts....and lost them in the waining minutes of each game....we could of easily been undefeated...but, that is college football....
and when exactly were we on life support....you must be talkin about the galen hall - charlie pell era......cause we have won 7 sec championships since 1991....i don't see that as life support...i see that as one of the top dogs in a conference for 15 years...
go gators...and hokies (bye-bye boston college)
jonsey said:
posted on October 24, 2007 12:26 PM — 167.197.127.130 — link — abuse?
Yea- Auburn gets what is left over from Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, and Florida State. Dontavia Bogan was a Senior at my High School last year. Auburn was trying to recurit him. after a few months- he chose South Florida. Yea, some recruiting job Tuberville did-lol. Good choice by Bogan.
GatorMatt
posted on October 24, 2007 12:44 PM — 128.227.105.72 — link — abuse? said:
Alabama fans are starting to sound like Irish fans. Let's quit talking about the past fellas. Bear Bryant is dead, and he's not coming back. I do hope they turn back into a powerhouse, b/c that makes the SEC even better to watch
TE
posted on October 24, 2007 12:45 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
Bleed Crimson: The reason the Tennessee win was so big, was because it shows that Saban isn't just all hype. Everyone can see now that we're on the rise.
Also, 41-17 is a big win over Tennessee. The only other teams that couldve done it are LSU and Florida.
The Tennessee win just shows that football is different here now."BC, by only other, you mean LSU, Florida, & of course Cal (and heck, maybe USM since they hung 30+ on 'em, too!). By the way...about that Cal score...They actually put more on 'em than ya'll did. Does that mean they're better than ya'll?
I could also daisy chain that and say that UCLA could, as could Auburn, since Auburn beat Florida, but you get the point, and you also know how long this post would be if we did any more victory chains...
Again...You guys wanted to get all hyped up over the Arkansas win, but we all know it took till the last second, and it was a fluke play with some questionable calls late to "eek" out a win. Might I also remind you of the fans who were chomping at the bit to do that ubiquitous Kotex Crimson Tide Cheer Standard, "We just beat the hell out of you!" after "eeking" another one out against...Houston? Yeah...right...
You also got beaten by FSU...and Saban's old Offensive Coordinator...FSU's head coach has people putting "For Sale" signs in his yard...and you lost to them...Yet, I hear you guys breathlessly exhaling about how, "we're back!"
Like I said...You guys have a SERIOUS dish of humble pie we're baking up in Baton Rouge right now...You realize Matt Flynn just had a career day against the defense that shut Tebow down? That our offense-with perhaps the worst case of drops from wide receivers in the history of college football-put 351 yards of total offense in the 2nd half against Auburn? That we outscored them 23-7 in the 2nd half, after playing South Carolina, Tulane, Florida, & Kentucky to triple overtime in the previous four consecutive weeks? That we played the entire fourth quarter without our biggest "non-factor" defensive presence, Glen Dorsey?
I don't even want to talk about the Iron Bowl...You guys are going to be grumbling-BIGTIME-after that game, because Tuberville's going to win that one, too.
Oh, and as far as recruiting goes...
Bleed Crimson: "Every decent High School player in Alabama has chosen the tide over the tigers so far."
Do me a favor...Tell me who Sidell Corley & Phelon Jones signed with last year.
Saban put the full court press on in Mobile for both of them-Phelon especially-and his father came out in the media and said it himself: Saban came off as aloof, arrogant, and a little too sure of himself.
That very weekend, Phelon, Sidell, & their families came to Baton Rouge. Sidell hadn't committed at that point. Yet, after that weekend, Mr. Corley became a Tiger, too. Most importantly, their parents left impressed, and happy with their decisions.
You guys can't even compete with an out-of-state program in LSU-WITH SABAN. Wake up, fellas.
(Oh, and does anyone want to mention the 400 pound gorilla in the room here? Do any of you realize that after the Rivals player * rankings came out this year, they FIRED the guy that did them? Or that the guy who owned Rivals up until last year was a HUGE 'Bama homer? Or the fact that one day after one of their signees committed, he went from a 3 to a 4 *? No...Nobody? Hmm...Okay...Nevermind, then.)
taggy80 said:
posted on October 24, 2007 12:49 PM — 158.35.225.228 — link — abuse?
Tomcat & HRposen - you are both right about Texas A&M. Everything is in place. Many years ago - right after I graduated from A&M one of our former coaches that was coaching at a different school said, "Texas A&M is the single best opportunity in college football coaching today." He knew about the fans, facilities, and money. He was instrumental in convincing a former Tide player named Jackie Sherrill to take the job at Texas A&M. Yes it was the Tide's very own Bear Bryant that I quoted. Guess what that same opportunity exists today - first class facility, first class fans, a sell out virtually every weekend. But don't call it a stadium - it is Kyle Field and it is the Home of the 12th man.
C'mon Tuberville - GIG'em!
"It's just another Corps Trip boys,
we'll march in behind the Band."Autigerman said:
posted on October 24, 2007 12:55 PM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
TEI didnt tell you this the other day prehaps I was still shell shocked.
I went back a couple days ago and looked at the film of the game and ill have to say. If Flynn plays like he did in the fourth quarter you guys wont lose again. He took over that game and should be player of the week. I havent checked that yet he may have won that award.Congrats on a good comeback.
Big Tide said:
posted on October 24, 2007 1:03 PM — 69.34.227.69 — link — abuse?
GatorMatt (#80) In the entire time I have checked in on Fanblogs I have never seen one reference to Bear Bryant from a Bama fan. We've won a NC since Bear's time on campus, so give up on the Bear angle, it is sooooo tired....
Gatorstud (#76) I had to hear this same kind of talk the last time Florida came to Tuscaloosa. Anybody can get beat - especially this year. And yes I was referring to the pre-Spurrier days at Florida. I must be getting old because 15 years is nothing. I've got a daughter that age. I remember when you couldn't find a Florida fan, or an FSU fan either for that matter. Everything works in cycles.
Bleed Crimson
posted on October 24, 2007 1:08 PM — 68.62.129.185 — link — abuse? said:
TE:
about the 41-17 score, i meant the only other teams that couldve beat them by that many points. it was just a random thought. you shouldnt look too much into that.
the point of my post was to point out that Tuberville is getting out-recruited sooo bad right now, that he's losing his mind. just wait until Julio Jones commits to us.
Sidell Corely and Phelon Jones committed LAST year. TE, im talking about now, im talking about Nick Saban's first full recruiting job at the capstone. So far THIS YEAR, not one decent Alabama prospect has committed to the Tigers.
Bottom Line:
Alabama has 14 in-state recruits
Auburn has 3 in-state recruits
Nick Saban is dominatingTE, i cant wait to see the post you make if Alabama beats yall in a couple of weeks. A tide victory is very very possible, so id cool it with the trash talking if i were you. the lsu nation would fall apart if they finally were handed a dose of reality that, "Hey...maybe Les Miles...isnt as good as Saban..." wow. wouldnt that hurt.
gatorhippy
posted on October 24, 2007 1:18 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
Bleed Crimson (#86):
"Alabama has 14 in-state recruits
Auburn has 3 in-state recruits"Given that the 2007 edition of the Iron Bowl hasn't been played and it is also a LONG way until Signing Day...
You're counting a lot of chickens hatching before the eggs have even been laid...
posted on October 24, 2007 1:19 PM — link — abuse? said:
Coach Fran's future is / is not a done deal, depending on who you ask.
Personally, I come down in the "is not" camp. I believe as go the Aggies, so goes Fran. Keep winning and he'll keep his job.
Heck, 2-2 in the final four might be good enough.
Zac said:
posted on October 24, 2007 1:37 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
Man! All this absurdity over whether or not Tubberville is leaving for A&M, which SEC teams have better records over which SEC teams, what constitutes a signature win and whether or not it really is a big deal, who’s really #1 in the SEC, who’s really #1 in the SEC West, who’s really #1 in the state of AL, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah……
Ya wanna hear absurdity, I’ll give ya absurdity. The only reason Tubberville will leave for A&M this year, is because his team plays in Morgantown next year, where he knows he can’t win, AND he doesn’t want to be around for the embarrassment of loosing at home to WVU the following year. Now, if that $hit don’t bring the termites outa the woodwork, nothing will.
tigernator said:
posted on October 24, 2007 1:41 PM — 64.79.225.82 — link — abuse?
TE - I thought it was only me that kept seeing star ratings go up when someone signed with Alabama, and conversely, falling when they signed elsewhere.
I wondered about it until a kindly Bama fan explained that just the act of choosing Bama was worth one star.
TE
posted on October 24, 2007 1:57 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
Bleed Crimson,
If we lose to Bama in two weeks, I'll change my name on this site. Kevin as my witness, I'm saying it now...
I will go by the name, "LesMilesis
Now, the question is...Are you the only Bama fan willing to change their name to "LesIsMore&SabanSucks" or something along those lines? I wonder how many of your brethren would be willing to belly up to the bar?
Bottom line...LSU just got through facing-in order:
Auburn-The best in the West-other than us
Kentucky-One of the Top Three Teams in the East
Florida-The Best Team in the East
South Carolina-One of the Top Three Teams in the EastIn other words, we faced four of the Top 5 teams in the SEC, and went 4-5...You guys can't even come close to a comparison.
We also faced those teams while getting progressively weaker and more tired...and now we've got two weeks to heal and rest up.
You'll get your issue November 3rd...Be ready, Gump Fans!
Rammer Jammer said:
posted on October 24, 2007 2:12 PM — 199.89.170.92 — link — abuse?
TE
So if Bama wins we can expect your post the following day to go a little something like this: Lsu got screwed by the refs, the game was a fluke, coach Bryant was a drunk, and Nick Saban is a liar. Oh yeah, I almost forgot; and Glenn Dorsey was held all game long.
All while being posted under the name LesMilesis?If Les Miles jumps ship to Michigan; your new handle could be LesMilesLess.
posted on October 24, 2007 2:32 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
GatorGreg: Alabama leads the all-time series with Florida, 20-13, for crying out loud. Quit arguing to the contrary.
Tigernator: Damn good post, #58. And welcome, I haven't seen you around here before. Let's try to refrain from using any 'mullet' comments, however. Acceptable slights are 'Bammers' and 'Albarns' for us. 'Tractor Nation' is a new one to me. Personally, I prefer 'Cow College'. (A)labama (U)sually (B)eats (U)s (R)ed (N)ecks is also a good one.
Am I leaving any of them out, Sweet Home?
Big Tide: Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. All Bama fans keep commenting about recruiting, how Saban is landing them all. What kind of recruiter was Shula? You guys make it out to be that Shula was a non-existent recruiter that the void is now being filled. I'll agree that Saban brings a lot to the table recruiting-wise, but don't think that Tubs and Auburn are just going to lay down on him. Besides, these kids want to see who wins on 11/24 before they really make up their mind.
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posted on October 24, 2007 3:00 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
Rammer, be honest...did I make ANY excuses after the Kentucky game? No, I did not...thank you very much.
That's not my style. I might love my team, but I'm no shrinking violet, and you'll never accuse me of having vertigo when it comes to owning my statements.
Say what you want about me, but you can't say that, Bubba Gump.
I will be looking forward to your excuses about suspending players, or perhaps something new...How about, "The NCAA didn't just take our textbooks, but they nabbed the playbooks, too!"
jonsey said:
posted on October 23, 2007 9:22 AM — 167.197.127.130 — link — abuse?YEP. Give Alabama 3 years. let Nick actually recruit instead of him getting only a month like he did at the beginning of this year. He can win recruits in alabama away from auburn, he can get them from the state of Louisiana, Georgia, and Tennesse. That is something Shula had a problem with. Yea- i say three years, but who is to say that Alabama can't beat MSU, Auburn, and LSU and play for the SEC championship this year??? it can happen.