November 7, 2005
BCS Poll 2005 - Week 4
| Harris Poll | USA Today | Computer Rankings | BCS | ||||||||||||||
| TEAM | RK | PTS | % | RK | PTS | % | A&H | RB | CM | KM | JS | PW | % | COMP AVG | BCS AVG | PRVS | |
| 1 | USC | 1 | 2809 | .9943 | 1 | 1544 | .9961 | 23 | 25 | 23 | 23 | 24 | 24 | ,950 | 2 | .9802 | 1 |
| 2 | Texas | 2 | 2728 | .9657 | 2 | 1494 | .9639 | 25 | 24 | 25 | 25 | 25 | 25 | 1.000 | 1 | .9765 | 2 |
| 3 | Alabama | 4 | 2521 | .8924 | 3 | 1398 | .9019 | 22 | 18 | 21 | 20 | 22 | 22 | .850 | T-4 | .8814 | 4 |
| 4 | Miami | 3 | 2537 | .8981 | 4 | 1385 | .8935 | 21 | 23 | 19 | 22 | 21 | 21 | .850 | T-4 | .8805 | 6 |
| 5 | Penn St | 6 | 2192 | .7759 | 6 | 1139 | .7348 | 23 | 20 | 24 | 24 | 23 | 23 | .930 | 3 | .8136 | 7 |
| 6 | Va Tech | 8 | 2011 | .7119 | 8 | 1116 | .7200 | 20 | 22 | 22 | 21 | 20 | 20 | .830 | 6 | .7540 | 3 |
| 7 | LSU | 5 | 2284 | .8085 | 5 | 1283 | .8277 | 12 | 19 | 13 | 11 | 10 | 10 | .460 | T-13 | .6987 | 8 |
| 8 | Ohio St | 10 | 1833 | .6488 | 10 | 962 | .6206 | 17 | 13 | 18 | 19 | 19 | 18 | .720 | 7 | .6632 | 10 |
| 9 | Georgia | 9 | 1889 | .6687 | 9 | 1093 | .7052 | 16 | 21 | 15 | 8 | 7 | 13 | .520 | 12 | .6313 | 11 |
| 10 | Oregon | 11 | 1663 | .5887 | 11 | 919 | .5929 | 18 | 15 | 20 | 16 | 17 | 19 | .700 | 8 | .6272 | 13 |
| 11 | No Dame | 7 | 2131 | .7543 | 7 | 1124 | .7252 | 9 | 5 | 7 | 10 | 12 | 8 | .340 | 18 | .6065 | 14 |
| 12 | TTech | 12 | 1432 | .5069 | 13 | 745 | .4806 | 11 | 16 | 16 | 18 | 16 | 16 | .640 | 10 | .5425 | 15 |
| 13 | Florida | 13 | 1344 | .4758 | 12 | 754 | .4865 | 10 | 17 | 9 | 7 | 9 | 11 | .390 | 17 | .4507 | 16 |
| 14 | West Va | 17 | 1122 | .3972 | 15 | 710 | .4581 | 6 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 11 | 12 | .460 | T-13 | .4384 | 17 |
| 15 | UCLA | 14 | 1326 | .4694 | 14 | 744 | .4800 | 14 | 8 | 10 | 4 | 4 | 6 | .280 | T-19 | .4098 | 5 |
| 16 | Wisconsin | 19 | 680 | .2407 | 19 | 385 | .2484 | 19 | 14 | 17 | 17 | 18 | 17 | .690 | 9 | .3930 | 12 |
| 17 | TCU | 18 | 957 | .3388 | 18 | 491 | .3168 | 13 | 12 | 14 | 2 | 5 | 14 | .440 | 15 | .3652 | 18 |
| 18 | Colorado | 22 | 575 | .2035 | 21 | 302 | .1948 | 15 | 9 | 11 | 15 | 14 | 15 | .550 | 11 | .3161 | 22 |
| 19 | Florida St | 16 | 1151 | .4074 | 16 | 667 | .4303 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 2 | .090 | 24 | .3093 | 9 |
| 20 | Auburn | 15 | 1244 | .4404 | 17 | 619 | .3994 | 0 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .000 | NR | .2799 | 20 |
| 21 | Michigan | 21 | 582 | .2060 | 22 | 275 | .1774 | 7 | 10 | 8 | 14 | 15 | 9 | .410 | 16 | .2645 | 21 |
| 22 | Fresno St | 20 | 594 | .2103 | 20 | 360 | .2323 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | .000 | NR | .1475 | 24 |
| 23 | Ga Tech | 24 | 203 | .0719 | 24 | 117 | .0755 | 8 | 3 | 5 | 6 | 6 | 4 | .210 | 22 | .1191 | NR |
| 24 | Minnesota | 29 | 36 | .0127 | 31 | 17 | .0110 | 4 | 0 | 4 | 13 | 13 | 7 | .280 | T-19 | .1012 | NR |
| 25 | Louisville | 23 | 374 | .1324 | 23 | 242 | .1561 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .010 | NR | .0995 | NR |
Comments:
JT said:
posted on November 7, 2005 6:04 PM — 63.228.165.18 — link — abuse?
Strip the Big East of its BCS bid. Then take the highest ranked NON-BCS team as an automatic, regardless of conference standings. With West Virginia's big end-of-the-year choke coming, TCU would be the team. Who else can boast a 2-0 record against BCS teams from last year?
hey yo said:
posted on November 8, 2005 2:07 AM — 12.218.249.234 — link — abuse?
They should have a more fair way for the national championship. It has been 3 out of 4 of the past 4 years that the national championship is unfair towards teams. The SEC is very discriminated in the championship picture because of politics. USC has already had their chance at being national champions 2 years in a row and they should be good sportsmans and let Alabama get in the championship game instead of being greedy and taking it for a 3rd year in a row. As for the polls, it is an disgrace because a team with one loss (it doesn't matter if it's the first game or whatever) should NOT be over a team that is undefeated. This is ludacris. The BCS should be abolished and we should have a better championship configuration. Every person in the state of Alabama (including Auburn fans because of last year) should have a petition against this farce. It was proven last year that when Oklahoma lost against USC (bad) that they weren't national championship material and Auburn should have had a chance with USC. There was not a clear winner last year. If Alabama goes undefeated this year (which I still think they will), the same thing will happen unless somebody does something about it.
Gene Larew said:
posted on November 8, 2005 7:47 AM — 24.253.211.201 — link — abuse?
Yeah , the Big 12 is not good ......but some of you arrogant SEC types better wake up and smell the coffee, the SEC is not much better. Your living on hype generated by past success.
SEC has 2 or 3 teams at the top that are good teams, the rest are mediocre to bad. This old bullcrap about it being so tough top to bottom doesn't hold up. There's a lot of bad teams in the SEC.
posted on November 8, 2005 8:48 AM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue said:
The BCS isn't about "fair", it's about finding the top two teams and putting them together in the championship game. If the rest of the season plays out with no upsets, then who can even question that Texas & USC aren't the top two teams?! As such, they would play in the BCS game. The rest of the BCS bowl games are all about business. Even in the "good old days", bowls were always about business, lest ye forget.
Gene Larew said:
posted on November 8, 2005 9:06 AM — 24.253.211.201 — link — abuse?
hey yo,
I've read all this I can take. All the USC/OU Orange Bowl prooved was that USC had a great night and could do no wrong. The way they were making plays they would've destroyed anyone they played that night.
I mean really, when the TE is covered and is making one handed catches ........ come on now . And the entire team played to that level.
There's something like 14 players from that OU team on NFL rosters right now. The entire WR corp was starting for some NFL team before a couple of them were injured.
Get over it .
JC in SoCAL said:
posted on November 8, 2005 11:26 AM — 67.113.165.178 — link — abuse?
'hey yo' the arguement that Alabama is deserving over Texas and USC is ridiculous. Alabama is an average team getting by on luck, those 6-3 scores, and the overhyped SEC. Tenn barely lost to LSU, barely lost to Alabama, and then got embarassed to Notre Dame. SEC you are the only ones who think your conference is almighty. If you look at all the conferences from top to bottom they have their flaws. SEC is the same. They have a couple teams at the top that are good and the rest are ok. Quit whining about how Alabama is gonna get screwed out of the Rose Bowl and win out first. VA Tech starting complaining and got spanked by Miami, you are next.
Gene, to say that USC had one great night c'mon, thats all the credit they get. They were up 30+ at halftime. They could have hung a 70 on them, easy. OU was knocked in the mouth and folded. Who cares about how many players got drafted. How many do you think USC will get drafted this year and next. Ummmm, the whole freakin team maybe. And the TE making one handed catches. Sorry to say but he is called an athlete, say it slow with me, athlete, they make those type of catches.
Fight on Trojans...
James McGuire said:
posted on November 8, 2005 12:22 PM — 64.143.114.90 — link — abuse?
Wow,
I can't believe some of the comments on here!! We all know that the BCS is screwed up, there is no use of beating a dead horse. We know something needs to be done. Now, what are we going to do? Also, I am not a Bama fan until this weekend when they play LSU. That is only because that will give Auburn a chance to play for the SEC championship. I know Bama fans are not going to like what I am about to say. I am sorry, but Alabama does not have the offense that is needed to beat a team like USC or Texas. The Bama defense is incredible, no doubt about that, but your offense couln't even score against Mississippi State. Something is way off there. Great defense, Poor offense.James McGuire said:
posted on November 8, 2005 12:25 PM — 64.143.114.90 — link — abuse?
Gene Larew,
I don't think you have looked at the polls recently, or maybe for the past couple of years. I think the only teams that have been good out of the big 12 have been Texas and OU. As for the SEC, there have consistently been teams in the top 15 out of the SEC, more than two teams. The SEC does have a great past, I will agree with you. The SEC is still a great conference today!
yodaddy said:
posted on November 8, 2005 5:59 PM — 207.43.195.202 — link — abuse?
Let's all be adults about this and have the guts to admit that our personal biases shape our opinions on sports, just as they do with politics, religion, opposite sex, etc.
That being said, my personal bias leads me to say that it seems like there are an above average number of SEC homers out there drinking their own conference kool-aid for too long. People -- these things go in cycles (just like the economy, your wives, etc...) and conferences have good times and bad times. Instead of being a bunch of apologists for your conference full of flawed teams, how about giving credit to the legit teams around the country. When I look at the allegedly great SEC, I see a lucky undefeated team on par with maybe Ohio State, a couple of Florida State equivalents (with less offense), and a bunch of Colorados, Missouri's, Cal's, and Oregon States -- at best. World beaters? Nope.
Come on. Texas has great talent on both sides of the ball. USC has great talent on both sides of the ball, more especially concentrated on offense.
If only the SEC fans had electricity and TV's then they would know that Miami would beat 'Bama by at least 14.....
But we won't have to argue about it after this weekend, when all of you apologists watch LSU (with an imperfect record) beat your undefeated 'Bama team by double digits. Daddy says mark it down.JT said:
posted on November 9, 2005 12:42 AM — 63.228.165.18 — link — abuse?
The computers sure don't like the SEC. But then, the SEC seems a little weak to me this year. Alabama wouldn't be undefeated if they had to play in the Big 10, Big 12, Pac-10, or ACC. They might not even be in the Mountain West. It's tough to beat TCU & BYU at home.
war eagle 2004 said:
posted on November 10, 2005 2:48 AM — 67.166.240.114 — link — abuse?
yall are on crack,lets take the top seven teams from the sec and match them up with any top seven from any other confrence and bet your paycheck for a year.Or better yet well play the top seven teams in the country.By the way whens the last time a sec champion lost a bowl game i cant remember.O i guess we(auburn) real lucky not to play usc last year they realy beat a great ou team.we would of beat usc like a drum.
war eagle 2004 said:
posted on November 10, 2005 4:05 PM — 67.166.240.114 — link — abuse?
fanofthewac. I guess youre right i forgat that usc beat a 7-5 auburn team when they were co nc i guess.By the way ga tech,lsu,geogia,o and the mighty ole miss rebels beats us at home that year.There is a big diferece in 7-5 and 13-0.usc has not played the best team niether of the last two years.We wouldnt gave up 55 in nc game but i know usc just played great it had nothing to do with ou being the worst team to ever play in a nc game.
JC in SoCAL said:
posted on November 10, 2005 4:07 PM — 67.113.165.178 — link — abuse?
war eagle, get over the SEC, really. Noboday cares about whos top seven in their conference can beat the top seven in another conference. They don't give out trophies for that, or have tournaments to decides these things, so who cares. In college football they count championships and wins, not what-ifs. Don't play D1-AA teams for nonconference and then you have nothing to complain about. When Texas is playing OSU for nonconference and USC playing Notre Dame, those are both quality wins outside of your conference. Not Ball State and Western Kentucky, like Auburn, cmon who is gonna respect you with that.
Ill give you credit though the two years before you did play USC and what happened?? You lost both!!! SEC get over yourself, get back to playing football and win out before you complain.
Diggs said:
posted on November 10, 2005 4:21 PM — 68.32.21.120 — link — abuse?
I'm sick and tired of people saying the bigeast doesn't belong in the BCS.,who do ya want to see get the BCS, a team from the WAC, MAC, Mountain West , or C-USA, gimme a break that would be absolutely horrendous, don't get me wrong not every team in the Big East is good but not every team in the Pac 10, Big 12, Big 10, Sec, ACC, is worthy either. Don't make start rattling them off, the list keeps going and going, ya gotta give the BigEast a little time for rebuilding, after the ACC steals half the conference for money. the Beast is back sooner than you think!!!!
war eagle 2004 said:
posted on November 10, 2005 4:24 PM — 67.166.240.114 — link — abuse?
yodaddy, the last time i checked we did have electricity and tvs.Im not a alabama fan but i think the last time some idoit said miami was a 2 td favorite over alabama when they had no offense the final was 34-13 bama.Texas does have a great team but thats the only team in the small 12.There are 6 teams in the sec that would beat texas tech.There are 4 teams that would play very well against texas and 2 would beat em.
war eagle 2004 said:
posted on November 10, 2005 4:33 PM — 67.166.240.114 — link — abuse?
jt youre right your acc champion looked real good against auburn in the sugarbowl when it was 16-0 with less than 8 minutes to go.what about fsu against florida they looked good and fla was the 5th best team in the sec.Ga tech caught auburn at the right time everyone knows that if they played tonight auburn wins by thirty.But you will find that out when georgia runs over them.
war eagle 2004 said:
posted on November 10, 2005 9:32 PM — 67.166.240.114 — link — abuse?
jc youre right hawaii looks good this year.But tell me this why is usc at least a 20 point favorite against every team in the conference.But when they play a average nd team they are only 10 isnt your tougher competition susposed to be in conference.If you had to play 3 or 4 games like that every year you would lose at least one.Speaking of last year Auburn played a much tougher schedule when you consider their best five oponets.well anyway we still got nc rings just like you guys in 2003 when you were left out of the cham game.
Real Championship said:
posted on November 11, 2005 12:05 AM — 71.8.72.247 — link — abuse?
Fellas,
Good to see lots of chest thump'n for your conference. The probelm and question is not which conference is better, but why doesn't the top five (consistant) teams in each conference play each other as non-conference opp.? And here is one more nugget, ND and NBC are the biggest cause of the problem!!!
If ND would just come into a conference then, the NCAA could force conferences to have a minimum of 12 teams and a campionship game. It does not matter to me if there were 7 or 6 conferences in the BCS at that point.
If this were to happen, then each team in the BCS would have to play 5 games on their side of the conference, and 3 from the other side. Then take the last two weeks in September, and make contracts with other conferences for two year home and away games. THIS IS THE BEST PART!!!! If your school played in the conference championship the year before then you have to play "home/away" with another team that was in their conference championship. WOW!!!!!!!! How's that?????
In stead of all of this chest thump'n, about which conference is better, we could watch USC/Penn State in a two year home and away. OR what about more games like Texas/Ohio State this year. I would love to see Michigan, Miami, Florida State, Virgina Tech, Alabama, Georgia, OU, USC, Oregon, Navy, and even Hawaii make trips all over the place. I'd like those two weeks even more than bowl games. How does that sound to our sponsors??? And who cares where Corso and the boys are those two weeks???? Not Me!!!
By the way PROPS to the Ohio State fans this year. You took on Texas and played a great game, and have taken your lumps without a sound. Maybe they should be ranked higher (have you seen their margin of victory).
Okay back to the main subject. I can hear you all thinking. "Why should my team play a home and away with BYU, Rice, Cincinatti, Southern Miss, or Army???" Because if we all participate and follow the rules, then even the "weaker" conferences and teams would benefit from this trading of home games and revenue.
Last, Don't do away with the BCS. Good Christians believe in REFORM. Have the conferences in conjuction with the NCAA and all televison broadcasters choose 40 to 45 men to serve on the BCS selection committee. Before you have a fall out fit, read on! Require these men to watch one game in person and two complete games on tape each weekend (or more if you like). Then after week six have these men put out a pole on the top 25 only, and use this with the computer rankings (minus strength of schedule)[again!] to give us BCS Rankings. Add one more bowl to the BCS, the top 2 play in the championship with the rolling location as is. The committee then choose all the other match ups, not the bowl sponsors.
I'll make some promises.
1) This would work!!!!!!!!!!!!
2) There would be more revenue during the year, with the cross-conference games. (esp. TV)
3) We get to keep our bowl games on Jan. 1
4) Many more sponsors would join in the fun. (We would have 6 or 7 conference championship games.)
Problems with this Idea:NBC and ND!!!!!!! Neither of them would like to share money with anyone else. If ABC would share the BCS games with NBC and CBS, then mabye this would work. ABC could keep the championship game and the Rose Bowl.
It's just like kindegarten, if we all learn to share, then there is more fun for all. Props go to USC, but no one wants to see a team go 30 plus games without a loss, and have 2 to 4 other undefeated teams too.
Last problem, with this approach, there may never be another undefeated team. But who really cares???? NFL fans don't!!!!!!!
And just try to guess what team and conference I'm for!!!!!!
Fanofthepac said:
posted on November 11, 2005 9:39 AM — 63.87.122.42 — link — abuse?
War Eagle
You conveniently forget that Auburn was a pre-season #6 in the polls the year USC beat the crap out of them, 23-0. That is probably the reason Auburn started out the following year ranked so low. Voters don't like to be made out to look like fools so they punished Auburn.
Let's revisit some of Auburn's stats of that 23-0 beat down: First downs (11), Rushes-yards (36-43), Passing (12-26-1 121 yards. R. Brown 8 carries 28 yards; C. Williams 12 carries 40 yards. So the question is, with both Auburn and USC both having basically the same teams why would anybody want to see a rematch the next year in a bowl game knowing the probable outcome?war eagle 2004 said:
posted on November 11, 2005 12:32 PM — 67.166.240.114 — link — abuse?
fanofthepac. SAME TEAM!!! REALY. Is that a joke Auburn didnt even come close to haven the same team in 2003 as 2004.Lets do basic math 5 loses minus 0 loses umh.And about the voters they get made a fool every year why should that year be any different.That hapens every year im not sure but i think mostly because the voters dont know what the hell is going on anyway.Thats why we had a 40+ point dif. in the orange bowl voters have no clue whats going on except for the money that goes into thier pocket when they send another overrated b12 team to a nc game.But i guess i have to give up you did beat a one dimentional auburn team in 2003 just like the rest of the sec did that year.congrat.Enjoy this year the ride will sone be over.
ihate bcs said:
posted on November 11, 2005 5:13 PM — 65.197.19.243 — link — abuse?
then why did USC play Cal last year? They had the same team just as yours did. Let's just set up every season like that. We'll see if the teams rosters are similar and just chalk those games up as losses for whoever lost the previous year. That's smart thinking.
The fact is, it doesn't matter who's conference is better or who might beat who if they played today. The fact is if a team goes undefeated, they deserve a shot at the title. I would love for you to have looked the players on last years Auburn team in the face and tell them that they were a weak team playing in a weak conference.
I am not an Auburn fan, either, but I am a big College football fan and I hate to see good teams not given a shot at the championship. Just as USC got screwed two years ago, Auburn got screwed last year. Did USC play a weaker schedule than LSU or Oklahoma? Who knows. Did USC deserve a shot at the title. Absolutely. If I were an SC fan, I would spend less time trying to keep certain teams out of the title race and just say bring em' on.war eagle 2004 said:
posted on November 11, 2005 8:39 PM — 67.166.240.114 — link — abuse?
fanofthepac, SAME TEAM! REALY! I could see how a 12-1 usc team could have been the same as 13-0 but how could a 7-5 team be the same team as 13-0 its common sense.I will admit usc took advantage of a one dimentional auburn team just like the other 3 teams in the sec did, oh by the way 2 of those three beat em by 3 td or more but did they do that last year uh no.The thruth is who ever wins the sec is the best in the nation at least 70% of the time.If you are playing tough competion you would never win 30+ games i dont care who you are, new england is pretty sucessful but they dont have a 30+ win streak maybe because they are not 20+ point favorites every game.
Horns#1 said:
posted on November 12, 2005 5:08 PM — 68.35.108.219 — link — abuse?
It doesn't matter. Texas is gonna smoke USC in the Rose. USC is overrated. We all know who the real #1 is. Media bias is the only reason USC is still ahead of Texas. VY for Heisman. Trojans were made to stop sperm, not Longhorns. Hook Em'.


deo in sin city said:
posted on November 7, 2005 4:45 PM — 68.108.117.180 — link — abuse?FIGHT ON MEN of TROY........