October 15, 2006
BCS Poll 2006 - Week 1
Week 1 Poll of the Bowl Championship Series (10-15-2006)
1. Ohio State
2. USC
3. Michigan
4. Auburn
5. West Virginia
6. Florida
7. Louisville
8. Notre Dame
9. Texas
10. California
11. Tennessee
12. Clemson
13. Arkansas
14. Oregon
15. Boise State
16. Rutgers
17. Nebraska
18. LSU
19. Georgia Tech
20. Boston College
21. Wisconsin
22. Oklahoma
23. Iowa
24. Missouri
25. Tulsa
Complete BCS Poll numbers are online.
Comments:
posted on October 15, 2006 4:52 PM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue said:
See, and I was proud that we had it posted before any other blog. Thanks for noticing. :)
joekidd said:
posted on October 15, 2006 5:11 PM — 74.226.33.169 — link — abuse?
Would anyone care to discuss this scenario? And it is not too far fetched for this to happen either:
OSU or Michigan will lose, no question, because they play each other.
USC loses - Not out of the question. They seem to keep having trouble putting other teams away.
Auburn wins out.
Arkansas wins out.Arkansas crushed/absolutely humiliated Auburn at Auburn and will have just come off the SEC Championship with a win.
Would Auburn still go to the BCS Championship? I would think Arkansas would have a huge gripe if that happened.
posted on October 15, 2006 5:18 PM — link — abuse?
Joekidd - under your scenario, I think the WVU/UL winner would leap frog and go on to the BCS game undefeated.
10ACGal - I don't understand the Cal ranking either. Tennessee made it's own bed in the UF loss. The Pac10 is getting a LOT of love from the computers, so that's the Cal/Tenn thing in a nutshell. Tennessee actually helps Cal's argument, but I suspect that's little consolation. :)
IrishJT said:
posted on October 15, 2006 5:40 PM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
DON'T COUNT OUT THE IRISH!!! Louisville and WVU both have trap games with Rutgers and Pitt, plus they play each other. My guess is that both teams will get a loss this year and not be in the top 5 at season's end.
That leaves 5 teams in front of the Irish.
Florida will lose to Florida State or again in the SEC Championship game. If not, then hat's off. They deserve it. My guess is that Fla will crumble. I actually watched them lose LIVE, not in HighDef, and I can tell you that they were a rattled team in the 2nd half.
That leaves 4!!!
So at this point in the season, OSU, Mich, USC and Auburn will be 1-4, Irish 5th. Keep in mind that OSU and Mich would have played by this point and the Irish would have beaten USC. Making them #3, behind Auburn and the winner of OSU/Mich. Auburn will win out. However, if they lose in the SEC championship to Florida, and if Florida has another loss between now and then (i.e. FSU), then the Irish would vault ahead to #2. Also, if Arkansas finishes with just one SEC loss, you can bet that the coaches won't allow Auburn to play for the National Title when they didn't even win their own division or conference. TOO MUCH CONUNDRUM! So with that in mind, plus you always have to remember the 'biz' of college football and Notre Dame vs ANYONE is a sellout bowl...it looks like the Irish or back in Tempe.
Booya everyone, Booya!
10ACGal said:
posted on October 15, 2006 5:43 PM — 69.166.12.54 — link — abuse?
Thanks Kevin for the consoling comments :) I've calmed down a bit and after looking, I think Cal got the edge from the 6-1 results to TN 5-1 results thus far. As for making our on bed... yes, we lost AGAIN to UF but by one point. I can't understand Auburn being as high as they landed by losing big time to ARK.
I have been a huge fan of the BCS and a HUGE football fan (mainly TN since I grew up there and it is my Alma Mata BUT, when they took out strength of schedule... I think the rankings took a turn for the worse and now I'm back to supporting BRACKETS :)10ACGal said:
posted on October 15, 2006 6:09 PM — 69.166.12.54 — link — abuse?
Good Thoughts Irish JT... I just wish ND would learn to play well with others and join a conference! I think everyone would appreciate their talent more if they would have to play against thier own every week rather than waiting to see who beats up who and then fall into slot as the defalt team.
CT said:
posted on October 15, 2006 6:10 PM — 24.26.253.159 — link — abuse?
Tennessee is hurt by it's none too tough strength of schedule (to date). For instance Sagarin has you 20th in the SoS category, and the week old Colley Matrix rankings have your SoS at 31st.
Every Cal victory helps your SoS, but 1-5 Memphis, 1-5 Marshall, and even a 3-2 Air Force whose MAJOR win is against Colorado State (remember the SoS goes 2 levels out, your opponent's opponent's records) is just killing you. Not to mention Georgia continues its free fall.
Meanwhile Cal has the #2 strength of schedule in Sagarin, and have beaten two top 30 teams in Oregon and Arizona St. Of course they've also faced Portland St. and 2-5 Minnesota, however Minnesota has lost all of its games to genuine competition - Michigan, Ohio St., Purdue, Penn St., Wisconsin.
Because of Minnesota's strength of schedule, despite similiar records, they're ranked significantly higher than Air Force or Memphis or Marshall who have faced no competition other than the Volunteers.
In turn, Minnesota's SoS leads to a higher computer ranking for the Gophers and Cal gets a boost in its SoS.
And little things like that allow Cal to jump a team it lost to in the BCS rankings.
Austin said:
posted on October 15, 2006 6:39 PM — 130.74.4.9 — link — abuse?
All i can say is wow.....Auburn losing to Arkansas and then beating up on Florida (like i said all week and was blasted for) and they're still number 4 in the BCS.....i dont understand how, but they still have a shot at the National Championship, even though they dont even lead they're own division. Shows what kind of system we have these days.
Neville said:
posted on October 15, 2006 6:54 PM — 70.167.26.232 — link — abuse?
Kevin (#5)
Not so fast, my friend. I smell a BCS style 2001 Nebraska rat when I look at Auburn and see they are in position #4, which is essentially position #3 since either UM / OSU will have to fall. Consider the following
- USC loses one game
- Arkansas loses one game (but still plays for the SEC championship)
- Auburn wins out
-The Louisville / WVA winner wins out
If that happens, the computers will keep Auburn far enough ahead of the Big East Winner to keep Auburn ahead of them in the final BCS standings. If that comes to pass, Auburn would play for the national title without even winning its division. It happened in 2001 and it can happen again. You can peer into the computer standings right now at the colley matrix site. Just put in a hypothetical WVA beats UL into the form and they still stay 2 spots behind Auburn.
posted on October 15, 2006 7:03 PM — link — abuse?
Could be, Neville, I guess. It's a decent hypothetical. But - it's week one. Let's see where we are in a month.
IrishJT said:
posted on October 15, 2006 8:21 PM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Diggs the Mounty,
I know that you are no doubt rooting for your beloved Mountaineers. I can't blame ya'. However, do you remember Auburn in 2004? That might happen to WVU or Louisville this year and a TEAM WITH ONE LOSS goes to the BCS over an undefeated WVU/Louisville team. I think that's great too, considering neither WVU or L'ville play anyone...and that INCLUDES each other.But, it won't matter. Once they BOTH lose a game, they'll BOTH fall into the mid-teens, play Boise St in the DipShit Bowl and all will be right with at least the Big East portion of the college football world. PLAY SOMEONE, and we can talk about being the best team. You don't get 12 mulligans and then get to play with the big boys. Big East football is a perennial joke, unlike the ACC which is a joke this year.
And the comment about Notre Dame being "done" is an interesting one. I don't have a crystal ball, but I feel like it is a decent bet that they are 10-1 when they arrive to play USC. They win that game, Brady wins the Heisman and Notre Dame will leap frog Auburn (unless Auburn wins the SEC) to play OSU/Mich winner. Again, 6 of the 7 teams in front of ND play each other...and the Irish play the 7th.
In any event, barring some bad luck-no show performance against an admittedly soft schedule between now and USC, Notre Dame will play in either the Sugar Bowl or the BCS Championship.
...but I'll keep my fork handy, big guy. Go Cardinals!! Go Panthers!! And no kiddin', Go Scarlett Knights!!
easternfan said:
posted on October 15, 2006 8:40 PM — 67.72.98.89 — link — abuse?
The Irish have a terrible offensive line JT. If they get a BCS bowl they will get blown out like last year. USC will beat 'em and probably some other chump too. Your looking at 9-3 at best. What you also will be looking at is UL and WVU BOTH in the BCS.
TN TW said:
posted on October 15, 2006 9:17 PM — 70.19.77.251 — link — abuse?
Thanks for the run down, CT, but you have to admit there's something inherently wrong with Cal getting ranked over the Vols after losing by 17 pts.
Strength of schedule? We lost to a current top 10 team by one point. Granted Cal looked good against the ducks but they are the only currently ranked team they have beaten.
If we win out with Arkansas and LSU to go and the gators win out with only Georgia left, should the Vols get ranked higher than Florida?
The point is that this is exactly why the BCS is not better than the polls themselves, So Cal, because removing the human factor dissolves the potential for common sense to intervene.
TrojanHorse said:
posted on October 15, 2006 9:23 PM — 69.175.172.117 — link — abuse?
Well first things first, the following three teams control their own destiny
USC
UM and OSUtwo of the three win out and theres not controversy
However most people want this to turn into a 2001 fiasco where you can't hang your division flag but can a national championship flag
Its going to take a disaster in the BCS (split championship would be nice too) for a number of years to get any real changes.
This could be year one of that BCS disaster
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on October 15, 2006 9:47 PM — 68.49.176.53 — link — abuse?
So Cal, your just hoping that Notre Dame is still a one loss team when it comes time for USC to play them. That way you can pump up your Trojans and say that USC deserves the Nat. Championship bid because they beat a one loss "powerhouse" Notre Dame..you know as well as anybody else in the "World", that they're not as good as the media and everyone else involved with college football makes them out to be. Now back to USC and their less then impressive performances over the last few weeks..... the Trojans are simply a money making strategy this year for the "Big Dogs" that make all the "decisions"(and money) on who goes to what bowl!You know (in your heart)that if USC makes it to the NAtional Chmpionship they will receive a beatdown from anyone of the top 7 teams. But that is not going to stop them from putting them in the NAtional Championship game now is it? (Probably not) If USC does make it, it's going to be a pretty boring game because they'll be pounded.....and that's a fact! Irishjt, I bet you are rooting real real hard for Louisville, Pitt, and Rutgers! If I thought that my team might have to play a team like WVU in a Bowl Game, "I" would be praying to GOD that someone would beat us too. Also, you might want to check "OUR" Conference vs. Conference win-loss %'s this year... in case you have not noticed (as delusional as you are)we are on the "RISE" as a big time Conference once again. I'd do it for you..... but I don't have time for you Jackpipes that diss WVU and The Big East as a whole...( and if you didn't notice so far JT.... you are like the "ONLY" person on this whole Blog that is still pulling the ole.... weak conference garbage on us).As for the NAtional Championship picture for us.....if we don't receive the bid, I look forward to facing "EITHER" Notre Dame or USC in a Bowl Game. With that said ....LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MOUNTAINEERS!!!!!! LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MOUNTAINEERS!!!!!!!!!!
OU Fan said:
posted on October 15, 2006 10:09 PM — 64.91.40.248 — link — abuse?
It amazes me how Auburn loses to an unranked team at home, and is still ranked at #4. Even though they defeated Flordia, they freaking lost to an unranked team. This poll right now is ridiculous. At least Tulsa is #25. That is the highlight of my day. Go Golden Hurricanes! Go Sooners!
GatorFan80 said:
posted on October 16, 2006 1:04 AM — 12.31.208.217 — link — abuse?
College Football needs a playoff system in the worst way. Just because you go undefeated in a weak conference does not mean you are the best in the nation. The only real way to find a true National Champion is to have a playoff system.
GatorFan80 said:
posted on October 16, 2006 1:05 AM — 12.31.208.217 — link — abuse?
College Football needs a playoff system in the worst way. Just because you go undefeated in a weak conference does not mean you are the best in the nation. The only real way to find a true National Champion is to have a playoff system.
GO GATORS!!!
steve said:
posted on October 16, 2006 4:34 AM — 66.25.128.126 — link — abuse?
Man, this is horrible news for us Longhorns fans. Bah, it isn't UT's fault for not having a strong schedule, but they get penalized. There is still a lot of football to be played, and I'm hoping some crazy upsets happen to propell Texas back into the NC game so they have some shot at defending their title.
steve said:
posted on October 16, 2006 4:34 AM — 66.25.128.126 — link — abuse?
Man, this is horrible news for us Longhorns fans. Bah, it isn't UT's fault for not having a strong schedule, but they get penalized. There is still a lot of football to be played, and I'm hoping some crazy upsets happen to propell Texas back into the NC game so they have some shot at defending their title.
easternfan said:
posted on October 16, 2006 7:24 AM — 67.72.98.94 — link — abuse?
Kevin's right, its week 1, way too early. That said I must agree with Trojan Horse, OSU and USC winning out will play the NT game. However the BE champion WV/UL will also be undefeated. In fact a 12-1 Auburn also is probably third. No one will be happy and the winner of the NT will always have an asterick by it like LSU with USC a few years back. Playoff is the only answer.
IrishJT said:
posted on October 16, 2006 10:30 AM — 65.83.54.4 — link — abuse?
Diggs,
I would love to play WVU. A one-dimensional offense and a less-than-capable defense sounds about like the soft part of the Notre Dame schedule...even though I'm referring to your Mountaineers. The Big East is weak. Hedging it as a "conference on the rise" is a joke. You have three teams in the Top 25...all of which have played absolutely NOBODY!! Seriously, play a ranked team. Notre Dame's first five opponents were undefeated. The first 6 opponents for WVU have a collective 14-25 record. WOW!!! Eastern Washington is a tough, tough opponent. Bad example? Ok, how about Marshall? No? Ok, East Carolina? Still not convincing? How about South Florida, UConn, Miss St., Cincy, Syracuse or Maryland.Now compare that schedule to GaTech, Michigan, Penn State, Michigan St, Purdue, UCLA, Navy and USC. Notre Dame plays a Top 20 schedule every year. West Virginia rarely plays a Top 20 team.
Your team is a joke, over-rated and the best argument for a playoff system. There are easily 15 teams in the country that could beat both WVU and Louisville...Rutgers and Pitt will be two of them.
IrishJT said:
posted on October 16, 2006 10:36 AM — 65.83.54.4 — link — abuse?
Eastern Fan,
With the Irish driving in the last 7 minutes before a turnover, the final score of the Fiesta Bowl last year was 34-20. How do you characterize that as a blowout??I guess when you root for Big East teams, any margin of victory needs to be "liberally contrued" to make you feel better about a win against Marshall or East Carolina. OK. Now I get it.
PLAY A RANKED TEAM, BIG EAST!!
wabone1 said:
posted on October 16, 2006 11:39 AM — 65.71.92.70 — link — abuse?
Texas loses to the number one team in the nation and wins out and ohio state is the only team left undefeated and the horns get left out of the national championship game. that's how i see this playing out and that is a travesty. hook 'em.
A. Nutfan said:
posted on October 16, 2006 12:12 PM — 24.95.70.157 — link — abuse?
IrishJT,
I too would like to see ND play WV. That would answer a lot of questions about the Big East.
On the matter of the Fiesta Bowl though, the Buckeyes put up 618 yards on ND that game and dominated them in every way. This was about as big as Tressel lets a BLOWOUT get.HM Tiger said:
posted on October 16, 2006 1:17 PM — 70.148.239.251 — link — abuse?
Irish JT,
Brady's chances to win the Heisman crashed along with your National Championship dreams when y'all got spanked by Michigan this year. Since your last loss prior to that was a spanking from Ohio State in last year's Fiesta Bowl, nobody (except Irish fans) thinks they belong on the same field as OSU or UM. However, if Notre Dame really wants to challenge that thinking, let them join the Big 10 and they can get humiliated by both the Buckeyes and Wolverines every year.
IrishBlitz said:
posted on October 16, 2006 2:01 PM — 66.239.76.2 — link — abuse?
The BCS is broken period. Auburn and Florida in front of Irish and Texas(easy schedule every year but they did lose to OSU)?. WVU, UL, and Rutgers(belive that?) only play each other and Pitt, the rest are slugs, they all end up with one loss.
The Irish their good but I'm not sure if their NC status yet and I'm a fan. They did lose to Michigan whose #3 but in any given year the Irish play Michigan they always upset each other. Their not into running up the score unlike most of the other teams seem to do.
They way it sets up currently Michigan and OSU still have to play. Michigan wins? OSU wins? Who cares?
The Irish finally have a couple easy teams to play (which is not the norm) over the next few games and get a chance to refine the offense and build up defensive confidence. They beat USC (#2 when they play) in a tight one and play a rematch with either OSU or Michigan for the NC. Thats a money bowl that the BCS loves.
IrishJT said:
posted on October 16, 2006 2:35 PM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
HM Tiger,
Get humiliated by them every year? So 34-20 is a humiliating loss? Beating Michigan 4 out of 5 years is humiliating? We played 4 Big 10 teams this year and handed 3 of them their first loss. We also play 3 Pac 10 & 2 ACC teams. And when I say we play teams in those conferences, we normally play the teams that WIN, or are competitive in, those conferences annually. I offer USC and Michigan as examples. We played a couple of Big East teams last year and blew both out (Pitt & Syracuse). What a waste of time.It wouldn't surprise me if, when the BCS goes to a Plus 1, they eliminate the Big East from the formula. Again, WVU or Louisville can play Boise State each year in the DipShit Bowl. It'll be exciting. I think they all have common opponents in Eastern Washington. What a joke!
Tommie T, thanks for the bump.
MagicYoda said:
posted on October 16, 2006 3:04 PM — 71.116.102.113 — link — abuse?
I'm shocked that most of the computer ranking polls have USC #1 solely based on the fact that they compute the Pac 10 as the strongest conference. I wonder how much the botched/biased officiating in the Oklahoma-Oregon game affected this assessment since it was a game where the Pac 10 beat (or were handed) a win over a top 25 team.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on October 16, 2006 3:27 PM — 206.135.38.217 — link — abuse?
MagicYoda:
No Yoda - it's based on the fact that they haven't played even one lousy team. They have not played the greatest teams - but, they haven't played any bad teams yet. Don't worry - Stanford looms on the horizon. Then, everyone can catch some ground. The computers calculate way more than we can. It can combine what the record is of all your opponents including what were the records of all the teams your opponents have played. Of course head to head wins and losses are calculated. But, strength of schedule, thus far goes to USC - period. Some teams in the SEC are rapidly climbing that ladder as they face off against one another. But, some of those weak patsie games early in the season can come back to bite you.
Tommie T
M GO BLUE said:
posted on October 16, 2006 3:42 PM — 216.46.209.53 — link — abuse?
Notre Dame-Michigan
2006 Michigan 47-21
2005 ND 17-10
2004 ND 28-20
2003 Michigan 38-0
2002 ND 25-23
2001-2000 Did not play
1999 Michigan 26-22
1998 ND 36-20
1997 Michigan 21-14
1996-1995 Did not play
1994 Michigan 26-24
1993 ND 27-23
1992 tie 17-17
1991 Michigan 24-14
1990 ND 28-24How do you come up with Notre Dame 4 of the last 5?????????
I come up with ND 2-2 in the last four or ND 3-3 in the last 6 or 5-5 in the last 10 or 6-6 in the last 12.
So where is the Notre Dame dominance over Michigan???????? looks like they split the games.
IrishJT said:
posted on October 16, 2006 4:17 PM — 65.83.54.4 — link — abuse?
M GO BLUE,
When did I say Notre Dame dominated Michigan? If you were to take the time to read the blogs, I was responding to someone else's statement that Big 10 schools do or would dominate Notre Dame. By your own accounts, that is not true. Never has been true. Never will be true.And my mistake, it is the last 3 out 5 games that Notre Dame has beaten Michigan. Thanks for the double-check.
easternfan said:
posted on October 16, 2006 4:54 PM — 67.72.98.94 — link — abuse?
IrishJT, WVU's offense is hardly one dimensional. You should try watching more games. Check the stats yourself. In fact they are so multi-dimensional they give everyone fits. WVU's schedule is weak, except for Pitt, Rutgers and Louisville,plus whoever they get in a bowl. SOS the Irish win. But they lost to Michigan and will lose to USC at least. Im willing to wait and see how SOS ends up in December. ND is all hype and no substance.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on October 16, 2006 4:58 PM — 68.49.176.53 — link — abuse?
IrishJt, Notre Dame ='s overrated and weak as hell. If our offense is so 1 dimensional, why can't anyone in the last 12 games stop it. I mean c'mon you know it's coming so......stop it it's that easy. Notre Dame ='s the most overrated program ever in the history of the "UNIVERSE"! If we play JT, WVU 42 Notre Dame 21. MArk that score down, just in case we play.... you heard it here 1st.
Steve said:
posted on October 16, 2006 6:27 PM — 24.116.13.149 — link — abuse?
Auburn #4? I understand they just beat Florida by 1 but the also got their butts handed to them by Arkansas by 17. This proves that CFB needs a playoff. Auburn couldn't hold the spit bucket for teams like Ohio State, Michigan or even USC.
BigWarEagle said:
posted on October 16, 2006 6:58 PM — 67.34.195.148 — link — abuse?
I hate the BCS and it is sad that the greatest sports event in the world's (the National Championship game) two participants are determined more by some computer geeks than by anything else. I hate it but if they put Auburn in it, by golly, we'll play!
matt said:
posted on October 16, 2006 7:39 PM — 74.237.131.26 — link — abuse?
i believe that on the last week of the season it will be
1. OSU
2. Michigan
3. Auburn
4. Florida
5. Louisvilleand it could end up being OSU/Michigan winner and the UF/Auburn (SEC Championship Game) winner in the National Championship game.
i believe that USC will lose to Cal and ND and West Virginia will lose to Louisville.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on October 16, 2006 8:24 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Diggs the Mountie,
Of course I "hope" USC gets to the BCS Title game, but that doesnt mean Im going to Over-Hype Notre Dame (or any other USC opponents) in order to 'validate' USC's SOS and/or Worthiness, so to speak.
At the end, the RESULTS will speak for Themselves, Diggs.
Diggs were've you been? Appentently you havent heard me talk about the SPORTS MEDIA before... I Hate The Media! I consistantly admonish other Fans not to Buy the Media-Hype.With that said, I have Notre Dame ranked #6 currently (after 7 Weeks), right between #5 Auburn and #7 (3-way tie) Tenn/Cal/Arkansas.
Considering the Wins and Losses (and Not fegg "style-points"), the seperation between Auburn and ND is, So Carol 4-2 and Mich St 3-4 -- Clear Edge: Auburn(SoCarol)
The seperation between ND and Tenn is Penn St 4-3 and Air Force 3-2 -- Slight Edge: Notre Dame(Penn St).
IrishJT said:
posted on October 16, 2006 8:34 PM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Diggs the Mounty...
You must have went to WVU with that grammar. Congqraldreji*ions!!!
EasterFan,
Come on! You and Diggsy the Chimp both say that Notre Dame is the most overhyped, overrated program ever. "All hype and no substance." You would think 7 Heismans (soon to be 8) and 11 CONSENSUS NATIONAL TITLES (blow on that Alabama fans and exactly 11 more National Titles than WVU and Louisville have combined) might get them some respect from a couple of Big East fans, especially Mountaineer fans. The 2005 season tied WVU's record for most wins in a season. The original "best season" was 1988. WVU played for the National Title that year...and got the working end of a Notre Dame ass-kicking.Thanks for #11 boys. Good luck against Boise State in the DipShit Bowl.
Zac said:
posted on October 16, 2006 8:38 PM — 65.31.231.119 — link — abuse?
Who was it up there somewhere said, "Not so fast, my friend." I got a better one for you. I subscribe to the Herb Overstreet theory of computer based rankings: In the TRASH!!! Or, if you prefer his Italian buddy, Fa-Get-About-It!!! Hey, 10ACGAL!!! U want justice??? How about a play-off system. (By the way, your Vols didn't look so good at home against Air Force.)
I do agree with IrishJT. Don't count out the Irish yet. There's still a lot of football to play. USC could not only loose to ND, they could loose to Cal. (Then, TN would really have a beef!) If other things fall into place, ND could meet OSU for the Championship. I just don't see anyone beating OSC except for possibly MI. Frankly, not this year.
Where IrishJT and I disagree is Louisville's & WVU's strength of schedule. Louisville's is certainly worthy, and as it now turns out, WVU's is not so weak. No matter who wins on Nov. 2, though there are potential traps in the schedule, that team wins out. Will they go to the championship? Again, I'm guessing not likely. Is that fair? I don't think so, which is why I've been screaming "PLAY-OFF"!!!!! It can be done without ruining the "Bowl System", and prove to be more profitable. If people, instead of declaring it can't be done, would instead figure out the best way to make it happen.
(Hey, Kevin, you got another winner here. This is far better than stamps or fight songs.)
Dave Y said:
posted on October 16, 2006 8:39 PM — 68.40.174.58 — link — abuse?
West Virgina and Louisville are overated and shouldn't be taken seriously. They play each other, and Rutgers - but this doesn't give us any indication of their strength.
Big East is weak, and they shouldn't be rated any higher than Boise State.
If WVA or Loisville make a BCS game, they will get blown out and the game will be a bore.
Hubie Mann said:
posted on October 16, 2006 8:45 PM — 24.99.143.125 — link — abuse?
JT Irish,
You're right, 34-20 doesn't sound like a humiliating defeat. However, non-biased observers who watched last year's Fiesta Bowl will agree that Charlie Weiss, Brady Quinn, and the rest of the Irish got "run off the field" by Ohio State. If time has faded your memory...check out CBS Sportsline's postgame evaluation below:
http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/bowls/edge/fiesta
For the record, Notre Dame beat OSU twice in the 1930's and is 0-3 against the Buckeyes ever since: 1995 OSU 45-26
1996 OSU 29-16
2006 OSU 34-20The point that I was trying to make earlier is this. If Notre Dame joined the Big 10, the new 12 team conference would be divided into 2 divisions with Ohio State and Michigan in separate divisions (Notre Dame would be placed in one of those divisions and most likely offset by Penn State going to the other division). That means that Notre Dame would have to "go through" both Ohio State and Michigan every year just to win the Big 10 championship. Since, they only beat Michigan about every other year and they haven't beaten Ohio State in over 70 years, they'd be hard pressed to win the Big 10, let alone the national championship.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on October 16, 2006 8:53 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Diggs,
USC hasnt "looked" good for 3, 4 weeks now... AND IVE BEEN SAYING THAT, MYSELF! I told other USC fans and Auburn fans a couple of weeks ago that both Washington St and Arkansas were perfectly capable of beating USC and Auburn the way they were playing (having "close wins", looking out-of-wack, etc). Well Auburn LOST, and USC continues to just edge-out the Wins.
But Diggs a team should be RANKED based on what they've ACCOMPLISHED and NOT based on whats "in your heart" as you put it -- This is the U.S.A.! Its about Results, who'd you Beat, and who beat you!
And btw, I think USC would/could lose to teams like Missouri, Clemson, West Virginia, the way they're playing. The talent is there, but the team as a whole just seems to be "out-of-tune", as if the pistons arent firing in sync.
- A Walk-On as a Starting Fullback! 3 injured FBs
- A pair of Starting O-Linemen Injured
- WR Jarrett being in-n-out past 3 weeks, not 100 percent.
- Booty & Moody still showing their inexperience.Diggs, USC is still capable of dropping 2 or 3 games if they dont mature/get healthier/improve! (Oregon, Cal, NotreD, UCLA, Bowl*Game). But you gotta RANK a Team based on what they've Already Accomplished (actual results), and not on how you "THINK" they are "going to do", and Not on Margin of Victory either. Wins and Losses baby... U-S-A... U-S-A... U-S-A...
Big East Fan said:
posted on October 16, 2006 9:05 PM — 129.71.137.229 — link — abuse?
In 1999, VT was undefeated in the Big East and was lead by Micheal Vick...guess what, the traditional powers and so called elite conferences were bashing VT's right to play in the game...VT was in it late and could have won that game, VT proved they deserved the right to play FSU that night.
WVU or U of L is in the same situation this season, even though the Big East is vastly improved and WVU has alrighty proven they are legit, many unaware fans, talking heads, and the naysayers are treating Big East teams the same, but they are just fueling the fire....motivating the boys in Mo-Town. Those who do not believe that Coach Rod is a top 5 coach, that the team is top 5, or that Slaton/White is the best duo in America are ignorant (watch them play).
WVU has played some weaker teams....I'm not denying that, but WVU's average margin of victory is 28.5 points per game (What is USC's?). WVU's offense is averaging 41.5 points per game. Defense is giving up an average of 13 points per game. We have 10th best rush defense, and now have 11 sacks in the last 2 games (MSU of SEC, Syracuse of Big East), a team that lost in 2OT to ranked Big 10 Iowa. WVU also has the number 1 rushing offense in the nation...a offense that runs against 8 or 9 in the box every game. It is dominating thing to watch (I'm a season ticket holder), and will leave you awe struck....WVU gained 300+ rushing against Mississipi State, (MSU gave up 93 a game against S. Carolina, Auburn, and LSU, LOOK IT UP!!!) Not to mention the Sugar Bowl performance against Best SEC team Georgia were WVU put up over 300 rushing against a stout D.
Before you Bash....No the Facts. If we win our remaining schedule against #7 Louisville (6-0) on the road, #16 Rutgers (6-0) at home, and #26 (6-1) Pittsburgh on the road, we move up in the computers.
The Big East is (30-8) against non conference opponents this season including winning record vs. BCS conference opponents. From here on out our SOS improves, and computers start loving us. When USC loses and we win out...WVU vs. Michigan/Ohio State winner in Tempe. Simple as that. Go Mountaineers.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on October 16, 2006 9:44 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Under "Ranked" teams:
Arkansas, Boise St, Rutgers, Florida, Cal, Washinton St, Navy, Washington, and also So Miss, UCLA a bit tooOver "Ranked" teams:
West Virginia, Texas, LSU, Oklahoma, Pitts... and most of the ACC teams; GTech, VTech, Miami, FSU. It adds up, a bit here and a bit there.Side Note: The ACC is baaaad. Its dropped below the XII. The ACC has 17 Wins over Division 1A opponents and 12 Losses overall (including a loss to Non-D1A Richmond): 17-12 = 58.6%
They'd better put on a good showing vs Florida, Georgia, So Carolina, So Miss, Navy (and whatever bowls the have) for them to redeem themselves a bit.M GO BLUE said:
posted on October 16, 2006 9:51 PM — 216.46.209.68 — link — abuse?
That 30-8 record is against the worst of division one and two!
I looked it up and two of those losses were to Michigan State and Iowa and those were about the toughest teams to play the big east!
Iowa lost to Indiana and was torched by Ohio State!
Michigan State torched pitt and was torched by Ohio State and Michigan and illinois and Notre Dame!
West Virginia may be good,but how can you tell when all the teams they play are weak teams that play against weak teams?
GIVE THE NC TO A ONE LOSS SEC TEAM AND AN UNDEFEATED TEAM!
Put West Virginia in a BCS bowl and let's see em beat a really good defense!So Cal USMC said:
posted on October 16, 2006 9:58 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
The Big East has the BEST RECORD in the Country as of Week 7's results! Wins vs D1A opponents and overall Losses.
BEast = 26-8 (76.5%)... 6-0 vs non-D1A
SEC = 22-7 (75.9%)... 6-0 vs non-D1ABEast faced 40% of their opponents On The Road.
SEC has only had to face 15% of their opponents on the Road.The Big East has clearly proven to be better than the ACC and the XII overall (to date)... and maybe on par with the Big TEN.
BUT West Virginia has NOT YET PROVEN to be a #5 Team based on who they've beaten.. Not Yet! Wait until IF/WHEN they DO to ranke them so high. That goes for every team/any team.
Ken W said:
posted on October 16, 2006 10:01 PM — 70.137.159.239 — link — abuse?
Big East Fan & Mountie: You guys underrate strength of schedule way too much. Perhaps West Virginia is just as good as the other top 5 teams; and if they played head to head 10 teams they would split 5 and 5.
But strenghth of schedule has these factors:
- injuries: because you're playing tougher teams, and you have to play your starters the entire game, not just half a game.
- consistent demand to bring your A game. Its easy to bring your A game every third week, or even every other week. But week in week out, pretty tough to do.
- Realistic chances of an upset. Sure, a top 10 team is going to be favored against a average major conference team as well as a 1-AA team. But of the two, only the average major conference team has a chance to upset the top 10 team.That's why I'll still rank Auburn, Florida, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Cal, and Arkansas above W. Virginia.
OU Fan said:
posted on October 16, 2006 10:17 PM — 72.161.216.69 — link — abuse?
If Auburn goes to the title game, I believe they will get pounded by Ohio State. Defense does win championships, but I think Ohio States offense will be hard for Auburn to stop plus Ohio State to me has a solid defense. Hell, no one Ohio State has played has been able to stop Troy Smith from lighting up defenses. Plus, I think in order for Auburn to beat Ohio State, you have to be able to move the football, and thats something that Auburn has had a tough time doing. I think the Buckeyes will keep Irons in check and Auburn's QB will get knocked down all over the field. I am not a Ohio State fan and I do not hate Auburn, but thats just what I think. But then again it could be Michigan and USC in the title game. Personally, I would like to see the Mountaineers in it. Go Sooners!
easternfan said:
posted on October 17, 2006 7:50 AM — 67.72.98.83 — link — abuse?
Irishjt, you must have actually went to ND to get that attitude. Cant any ND fan have a discussion without insulting the state and its people. If you want to go into the last 25 years thats fine.
Im talking this year, Ive watched ND and they look slow, weak and small. The o-line opens no holes for a running game, you will not win a NC with that combination. I showed your ramblings to the Doctor and his lawyer wife that live down the street who are both ND grads and their comment was "fans like that give ND a bad rap". Charlie will get them back on track but it aint this year pal. Good luck with Navy, youll need it!IrishJT said:
posted on October 17, 2006 9:16 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Eastern Fan,
You're right!! I did go to Notre Dame. Much like your "neighbor", I'm also an attorney. Combine the two and I guess things like verbs and punctuation have become important, or in your eyes, over-rated.With that in mind, Notre Dame's football team has many flaws. The running game is not what it should be. The D is still suspect. However, they can win out with both. There is not a team in college football, with the exception of a healthy Michigan team, that explodes on both sides of the ball. West Virginia is a great state. I enjoy the Greenbrier every year. However, West Virginia football fans are much like Oregon fans last year...whining and undeserving at the same time. Maybe if you had shown your "neighbors" your previous posts and your attacks on Notre Dame ("all hype, no substance") they might have better understood my remarks and not so quick to be "neighborly." I've said nothing about WVU other than it's schedule is weak and they don't belong in the NT picture. Who has time to show their neighbor posts anyway? Tattle tale.
Enjoy the DipShit Bowl.
MisterBond said:
posted on October 17, 2006 9:43 AM — 68.92.226.247 — link — abuse?
All these Big East fans saying they are the better conference...WTF??? When was the last time a Big East team won a National Championship (Besides Miami)? Big East better than Big XII, SEC and Big Ten.....NO WAY IN HELL!!!
Jeff Johnson said:
posted on October 17, 2006 9:45 AM — 208.182.75.11 — link — abuse?
I think that the BCS makes total sense and is without a doubt the best way to decide the national championship. Cal and UT both have one loss, and UT thumped Cal earlier this season. The PAC-10 is perennially weak and the SEC is the strongest conference top to bottom. Consequently Cal is ranked ahead of UT. That makes total sense. I see no need for a playoff - may the BCS live long and forever.
IrishJT said:
posted on October 17, 2006 10:28 AM — 65.83.54.4 — link — abuse?
By the way Mountaineer fans, Perry Patterson, the QB for Syracuse had it right this weekend.
The classless WVU fans taunting a mediocre QB for a terrible team in the midst of a WVU pounding got what they deserved. Sometimes you just deserve to be told to eff yourself.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on October 17, 2006 11:23 AM — 216.46.208.228 — link — abuse?
The Big East has not beaten a current top 25 team.
The Big East has beaten these BCS Conf. Teams but they are not ranked-Indiana,Kentucky,Miami,Kansas State,Virginia,Illinois,N.Carolina,Maryland. These are the best teams that have lost to the Big East.
These are teams that have beaten the Big East-Kansas,Wake Forrest,Navy,Michigan State,Iowa,Virginia Tech,Ohio State. The Big East has lost to every current top 25 team they have played. West Virginia plays no top 25 non conf. teams,and has played div 2 eastern washington.
Here is West Virginia'a schedule-
Marshall(1-5)
Eastern Washington(div 2)
Maryland(4-2)
East Carolina(2-4)
Mississippi State(2-5)
Syracuse(3-4)
Uconn(3-3)
Louisville(6-0)
Cincinnati(3-4)
Pitt(6-1)
South Florida(5-2)
Rutgers(6-0)Tell Me SEC fans,what would Auburn,Arkansas,Florida,LSU,and Tennessee do with a schedule like that! I think I know! it would be 12-0! Am I right! Who Cares if West Virginia is 12 -0 at the end of the season! There are 20 teams that could get to a BCS bowl with that schedule!
Jim said:
posted on October 17, 2006 11:29 AM — 68.87.100.157 — link — abuse?
I don't think most people here are being fair to the Big East. It is in its second year after losing 3 teams to the ACC, any conference would have trouble there.
WVU, Louisville, Rutgers and Pitt are playing pretty good football. I think WVU or Louisville would go undefeated in the ACC, one of them will not in the Big East.
I am a Big East fan but have to agree that the Big East is the 6th best conference top to bottom, although it would be very close with the ACC. I think that is amazing after being near dead 2 years ago that the Big East could arguably be the 5th best conference. Saying the Big East will ever be out after the BCS goes to plus 1 is someone not looking objectively at the whole picture.
Look for Cincinnati and South Florida to make noise very soon, Ohio and Florida pump out great football players and those 2 are sitting right in the middle of it.
WVU and Louisville can play with anyone and they have proven it, WVU-Georgia last year and UofL's pasting of Miami. Rutgers and Pitt are playing good, SoFla and UC will be there, Syracuse has tradition and UConn has been doing well but have slipped a little lately. I predict nobody will be saying bad things about the big east in 5 years.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on October 17, 2006 11:51 AM — 68.49.176.53 — link — abuse?
Irishjt, I guess we are supposed to open our arms wide for all opponents? Oh, would you like some tea and crumpets Mr. Brian Brohm? We just love having you here ya know? "GET REAL" Leprechaun Boy! You are in the wrong business if you can't take some heckling! He was never hit with anything, nor did anyone lay hands on him....(from the crowd that is)! You guys will be lucky to make the "Douchebag Bowl". USC will roll!!!! UCLA will give you "UNDERACHIEVERS" all you can stand too........hell they might even win. I truly hope so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on October 17, 2006 11:55 AM — 68.49.176.53 — link — abuse?
Yeah, you might want to do research on the Conference VS. Conference win %'s. Or perhaps you can just look at SO Cals post #65 before you go shooting your "OWN" mouth off again. Great advice there LLeprechaun Lover"..... I suggest you take it. If you do take it(the advice), you won't look like a giant douche-cannon the next time you post.
horns_rule4 said:
posted on October 17, 2006 12:04 PM — 204.113.52.210 — link — abuse?
well texas is better than west virginia, auburn, florida, and louisville, also the irish. but yet they still are ranked lower than all of those teams when they lost to the buckeyes not the razorbacks or auburn. they should be number four in the rankings and west virginia should be number nine because they havent played anybody and they wont have played anybody by the end of the year. and dont give me that crap about louisville and rutgers and pittsburg. WEST VIRGINIA SUCKS!!!!!!!
go horns p.s. irish jt you give some very good points it looks like you do your homework.
peaceMiele Man said:
posted on October 17, 2006 12:05 PM — 24.183.226.239 — link — abuse?
All this talk about who has the strongest conference, toughest schedule, etc. could be virtually eliminated with a playoff system. How about we use our collective intelligence to come up with a way to force change? Any ideas?
EER10 said:
posted on October 17, 2006 12:16 PM — 129.71.238.253 — link — abuse?
IrishJT, I can always tell when someone has never been on a football field.
The scene is a dark jungle in Africa. Two tigers are stalking through the brush when the one to the rear reaches out with his tongue and licks the a$$ of the tiger in front. The startled tiger turns around and says, "Hey ! Cut it out, already. " The rear tiger says, Sorry," and they continue.
After about another 5 minutes, the rear tiger again reaches out with his tongue and licks the a$$ of the tiger in front. The front tiger turns around and cuffs the rear tiger and says, "I said stop it! " The rear tiger says, "Sorry," and they continue.
After about another 5 minutes, the rear tiger once more licks the a$$ of the tiger in front. The front tiger turns around and asks the rear tiger, "What is with you, anyway?"
The rear tiger replies, "Well, I just ate an attorney that graduated from NOTRE DAME and I'm trying to get the taste out of my mouth. F.U.
Tampa Tiger said:
posted on October 17, 2006 1:20 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
As an Auburn fan, of course I'll take the #4 ranking, but at the same time, I still think the BCS is crap. If it were any other team in Auburn's situation, I'd be angry too. But let's get one thing straight....Arkansas will NOT beat Tennessee and LSU. Aside from another miserable let down, Auburn will play for the SEC championship.
On a different note, I was at the Auburn v UF game this weekend....and MY GOD, what an atmosphere. I don't think I've ever seen that much energy from our fans. A portion of our victory over UF is attributable to that! Unbelievable! War Eagle!
IrishJT said:
posted on October 17, 2006 2:17 PM — 65.83.54.4 — link — abuse?
Diggs the Chimp & EER,
You two are a match made in trailer park Heaven. IT'S PRETTY EASY TO HAVE THE HIGHEST WINNING PERCENTAGE when you play teams like E. Washington, E. Carolina, Marshall and then any Big East team on a weekly basis. Notre Dame has one of the toughest schedules in the country...you can't dispute that. In fact, year in and year out, Notre Dame has one of the top 20 toughest schedules. Georgia Tech, Michigan, Penn State, USC...name one team that WVU or Louisville plays that is in the same ballpark as any of these teams. You can't...and that includes WVU and Louisville.EER, I can always tell when someone has never inside a classroom. Did you make that joke up or was that your senior thesis?
HornsRule4, thanks for the kudos. Hook 'em!!
IrishJT said:
posted on October 17, 2006 2:19 PM — 65.83.54.4 — link — abuse?
By the way, Big East teams, especially the Mountaineers, have a one dimensional attack. I don't need to watch any Tuesday night or Thursday afternoon games (the only nationally televised Big East game times) to read stats.
But since I have, let me share the following:
WVU has 1970 yards rushing in 6 games. That's roughly 328 yds/game.WVU has 826 yards passing in 6 games. That's roughly 137 yds/game.
It's almost 3 to 1. These are the facts as WVU reports them. Also, this is the best they could do against powerhouses like Marshall, E.Carolina and Eastern Washington. One dimensionsal...kinda like Diggsy's last date.
EER10 said:
posted on October 17, 2006 3:08 PM — 129.71.238.253 — link — abuse?
#73 You did not even go to Michigan, idiot. I would be shocked if you went to High School. Ohio State will kick your teeth in. Your just another little boy that jumped the fence after your High School football game and pretended to score a touchdown with the lights off.
CFB_CRZY said:
posted on October 17, 2006 3:11 PM — 72.165.136.4 — link — abuse?
Response to Post (81)
It was rockin, i've never heard it that loud. I think the fans believed they were playing. On FL first possesion of the 2nd half right before the 3rd down sack the stands were shaking like a wooden rollercoaster, and then the blocked punt. FL lost conrol of the crowd right there. it took till this morning for my ears to stop ringing. The number four ranking is perfect USC will lose (late), Mich/OS will have a loss, so Auburn still has a good chance if they can win out! In addition watch out for the dark horse Rutgers to take down WVU or Louisville late in the season (no time to recover)! we'll see there is still a ton of football left!pip said:
posted on October 17, 2006 3:51 PM — 70.232.41.193 — link — abuse?
so, it's easy to say arkansas won't win out.. they can be a bit streaky sometimes.. but if they play like they did against auburn, they will win out.. that being said, if we (yup, i'm a hog) do win out, how does that leave auburn in the BCS standings, seeing as how they wouldn't be in the sec champ. game.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on October 17, 2006 4:13 PM — 216.46.210.78 — link — abuse?
post #85 HAHAHAHA actually I live in Michigan =)
You know you have won out when they attack you personally! And not what you have said!
IT'S BECOUSE WEST VIRGINIA HAS A WEAK SCHEDULE!
IT'S BECOUSE THE BIG EAST HAS NOT BEATEN ANY CURRENTLY RANKED TEAM!"THE" BUCKEYE MARK said:
posted on October 17, 2006 5:01 PM — 65.24.61.71 — link — abuse?
I think its funny Notre Dame fan saying Big East has no SOS Notre Dame cant hang in any BCS conference
Big East is on the rise much improved over last year
This downing other Conferences is Mundane and gets nowhere
Although SEC fans shouldn't waste so much time on the SEC/PAC war Tommie Trojan is very jealous of the SEC
only one conference could even make a close argument in my biased opinion and it isn't the Pac 10 I won't waste anymore time on that topicDiggs the Mountie said:
posted on October 17, 2006 6:25 PM — 68.49.176.53 — link — abuse?
irish jt, I know you never had enough talent to accomplish being a good waterboy. You can always tell when someone has never even worn cleats. I know you wanted to get out there real real bad, but your lack of athleticism and undersized frame simply kept you at the dreamers level. It's o.k. to take your sexual frustrations you have out on another team and state, but when you talk about my last date....... well I have not even had one in about 4 yrs. I have not had one because I've been "Married", which means that either my wife loves the money I make or perhaps she's with me for the same reason my nick-name is "DIGGS"........ ahhhhh maybe it's both? One thing is sure, I seem to have everything I want in life going for me. How about you? Peon!
gator fan said:
posted on October 17, 2006 7:04 PM — 24.170.139.6 — link — abuse?
If the gator's run the table and beat either an Arkansas or Auburn team in the SEC championship, and West Virginia loses USC loses and a Michigan or Ohio State loses, they still have a great chance of making it especially if the start puting up big points on their opontnets.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on October 17, 2006 7:53 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Missy Bond & Big East detractors,
Its always determined on a Year-to-Year basis!!!
The last time a Big Eeat team has won a Title, Has No Bearing in how the Big East has done THIS SEASON. Truth be told, before the season began I thought the Mt West would end up Rated Higher than the BEast this year, BUT thats not been the case.The BEast, collectively, has CLEARLY PROVEN to be BETTER than both the ACC and the XII so far !This Season! (and possibly even the Big TEN). Look into it for yourselves before you open your Yap.
And BTW, Im not a "fan" of the Big East. Im a fan of objectivity. Give credit where its due.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on October 17, 2006 8:14 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
BCS Ratings - compared to - Poll Rankings:
The Under "Ranked" teams...4th - Florida - 9th* (tied)
6th - Cal Berkeley - 11th
7th - Arkansas - 17th
9th - Boise St - 18th
12th - Rutgers - 19th
20th - Tulsa - 34th?
25th - Navy - (no votes; + 43rd?)
26th - Wash State - (no votes; + 43rd?)
27th - Penn State - 36th?
29th - Washington - 40th?
33rd - UCLA - 41st?
35th - So Miss - (no votes; + 43rd?)
The Over "Ranked" teams...14th - West Virg - 4th
15th* - Texas - 5th
23rd - GTech - 13th
21st - LSU - 14th
28th - Oklahoma - 20th
32nd - Texas a&m - 23rd*
36th - Pitts - 27th*
40th - Florida St - 29th
43rd - VTech - 30th
51st - Miami - 32nd?
52nd - Hawaii - 38th?
48th - TCU - 39th?
So Cal USMC said:
posted on October 17, 2006 8:28 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Footnote to the previous post.
The "BCS Ratings" are the Rankings used in the BCS system (the average of 4 of the 6 Computer Ratings; minus the High and Low rankings for each team)
The "Polls Rankings" are the combined average of the AP, Coaches, and Harris.
goodtobe1 said:
posted on October 17, 2006 8:35 PM — 76.16.231.78 — link — abuse?
SoCal/Mountie-
saying the big east is better than the ACC this year isn't much of a statement. And yikes - better than the big ten? MSU pounding Pitt? Can we leave the conversation at that?I like conference discussions, but the reason i don't give the big east their "due" (whatever that may be) is scheduling. Kudos to texas/osu, cal/ten, and the like for moving out of conference with style. winning a conference with a bad nonCon schedule isn't helpful - there's no perspective. you're going to beat the #6 team? how do we know Louisville is #6? do they play texas? UM? OSU? Auburn? Fl? nope.
you don't deserve the benefit of the doubt until you grow the cahones to schedule someone who scares you. and don't say no one scares you. i love the bucks' chances this year and i was still scared by texas...and am still scared by UM. WVU? less so. let's see you run when we man up on your slow receivers. but we wouldn't need to stop you much. Lord knows you guys don't exactly play a lot of 'd' over there. you think slaton's fast? good. put him on ginn.
feel free to invite the buckeyes. we'll be happy to lend the same 'perspective' that we like to share with the ND folks, although it should be mentioned that they're a far classier crowd in person.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on October 17, 2006 9:24 PM — 68.49.176.53 — link — abuse?
Please goodtobe1, if you are going to post ridiculous comments like we don't play D, at least give some stats... we are giving up 13 points a game, so your wrong here.
Slow receivers ehh, Brandon Myles 4.37.
Darius Raynaud 4.4 flat.
As a matter of fact all of our receivers are 4.4's or even better. I know you have Ginn and he's fast, but to say we have slow receivers is just crazy. Lets see some 40 times posted by you with the "link" of course. I love proving you wrong goodtobe1......and why the hell would Ginn be on Slaton? or vice versa? Do you even watch football? Are you aware that Ginn and Slaton both play offense? WOW, just asking man??????????????Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on October 17, 2006 9:42 PM — 68.49.176.53 — link — abuse?
Oh wait, 1 more thing.... let me get this straight...... so we here the BigEast is terrible all last year..... we beat the SEC Champs in the Sugar Bowl.....still no respect. This year we are performing better than all Conferences......still no respect...... and now I guess since we're demolishing the ACC..... all of the sudden the ACC is worse then the Sun Belt????? 30-8 vs. non-conference opponents,
10-7 vs. "ALL" BCS conference opponents.Tommie Trojan said:
posted on October 17, 2006 10:01 PM — 206.135.38.217 — link — abuse?
I'm almost inclined, by now, to hope that the USC Trojans do lose their game to California. That way, California can go to the Rose Bowl, and USC can go to the Sugar Bowl and hopefully play the winner of the SEC (I hope it's not Arkansas that has to suffer this next "beat down"). I know that Pete Carroll will be chomping at the bit to go back down there and kick some of that SEC culo. I seriously doubt though, that the Sugar Bowl officials, would offer the sort of invitation that is going to cause embarassment and humiliation to the SEC. Has USC ever got to play in the Sugar Bowl? I doubt it! What could the reason for that be? Is it because USC is trying to recruit players from all over the south? An impressive win might go far to lure some of those recruits. Ah hell, Grady! Pour me another one! It'll never happen! It was just wishful thinking.
Tommie T
easternfan said:
posted on October 17, 2006 10:19 PM — 67.72.98.82 — link — abuse?
goodtobe1, I am saddened by your remark about class, it shows who is really lacking in that catagory, not OSU or most of its fans, just you. Also your knowledge of WV's receivers is also lacking if you think they are slow, perhaps you might want to check on that.
If you are still scared of UM why dont you give Louisville credit for playing them?
WV's NC schedule is light, however they have all ready added a 1 for 1 with Auburn and FSU in the coming years. The reason it is soft is to due the breakup of the original Big East, please check the schedule in the past. It is difficult to schedule quality opponets on short notice, the deal with FSU went in after the 2004 Gator Bowl and is still 4 years away. According to our AD, WV attempted to schedule the Buckeyes but were turned down. WV has played OSU in the recent past.
If last years Georgia team couldn't stop then freshman Slayton and White, I not sure this years OSU defense can either. I would love to see the game, scared or not.IrishJT said:
posted on October 17, 2006 10:20 PM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Diggsy,
You've finally wandered off of the reservation. I didn't realize you had severe psychological and emotional conditions. If the Lithium doesn't start helping though, I'd seriously consider a second opinion. You are quite the ambassador for West Virginia University.Best of luck in the DipShit Bowl.
easternfan said:
posted on October 17, 2006 10:36 PM — 67.72.98.82 — link — abuse?
Irishjt, my neighbors walked on my porch to say hi and my lap top was on the table so I showed them the web sight. They found you by themselves. You remind me of the Dawg's fans comments last year talking about "another Boise State" and "blowout". Speaking of "Blowouts" what was that Michigan score again? Your O-line cant create holes to run through, it is what it is. Your right my prose is lacking, I spent a lot more time in Calculas than I did English.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on October 17, 2006 11:08 PM — 138.162.5.10 — link — abuse?
Wow, irishjt I think I might have hit a nerve there? The truth hurts huh?(post #91\)I think that I hit the nail on the head. Ya know I'm just surprised that you quit playing "butt-darts" with Brady Quinn long enough to write that last post(#103)! Sorry Kevin, for the last comment on this post that is.
IrishJT said:
posted on October 18, 2006 8:26 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Easternfan #104,
Couple of thangs: You'd think that if you spent so much time in CALCULUS that you would at least know how to spell it. I don't think you spent any time in either. But I do agree your prose, if that's what you can even call it, IS lacking. Some other things to note: it is a website, not "web sight." Also, a group's comments ("fans") is possessive (i.e. fan's) and you need to stop capitalizing words in the middle of your sentences ("Blowouts")...unless 'Blowouts' is a title. You need to work on your run-on sentences and comma splices as well. Just trying to help.Enjoy the DipShit Bowl. It is becoming more and more a fitting title to any WVU bowl.
Jim said:
posted on October 18, 2006 9:37 AM — 68.87.100.157 — link — abuse?
goodtobe1
Fact is WVU used to play Penn St every year but Penn St. dropped them when they went to the big 10 because they had to drop their strength of schedule.
If Ohio St came to WVU and said we want to play you guys every year WVU would jump on it because they do need help in SOS and are actively trying to improve that. Ohio St will never do that because they do not need help on their SOS. Ohio St is not scared of anyone but with the big 10 schedule and someone like Texas on your schedule every year your SOS is ok.
The big east is getting better and will continue to get better, WVU has Auburn 2008-09 and Florida St 2010-11 are coming up , when Oklahoma said they were considering cancelling a 2 game series with Washington because of what happened in Oregon the WVU AD called OU and said if you drop Washington we will make room for you on our 2008-2009 schedule and you can bring Big 12 officials to Morgantown.
I do think Louisville for Miami was a good trade, not because of the UofL whippin of the U but I will take class every time. I think in a couple years Cincy and USF will be a force. Give the Big East Va Tech and BC and we wouldn't be having this discussion. But as things are give the big east a couple of years and we won't be having this discussion then either.
Big East Fan said:
posted on October 18, 2006 9:58 AM — 168.216.24.38 — link — abuse?
The posters that are bashing the Mountaineers and the Big East can do it all you want...it really doesn't matter what you say anyway. The point that you need to accept is if WVU wins out and USC loses you will see the Mountaineers in the National Title whether you like it or not. The schedule is what it is...When it was made MSU was looking up, Maryland had just won the ACC, Virginia Tech, Miami, and Boston College were on it as well. Punishing a Dominate hardworking team for a Schedule that was put into place years ago is unjust. Eastern Washington was picked up because we were dropped at the last minute by a MAC School (Big 10's girls). Hate all you want, but if WVU wins out, we will be rewarded....rightfully so.
pip said:
posted on October 18, 2006 10:08 AM — 70.232.41.193 — link — abuse?
Tommie T
as a Razorback i'd actually LOVE to play USC again. Our team is getting a lot better with each game and the team that beat Auburn isn't the same team you guys spanked at the start of season. I'd love for us to show the world how much we've improved and that would be the best way! best of luck to your team but I hope to see you there!
EER10 said:
posted on October 18, 2006 10:38 AM — 129.71.238.253 — link — abuse?
Post #82 IrishJT, Your last sentence has problems, you might want to read it again. I take it you approve of my Thesis, I was given a 100% on it. West Virginia's SOS is being attacked, this is WVU's fault how ? The BE is getting better every year. WVU was forced to play Marshall by Gov. Joe Manchin for the next 7 years and WVU fans are not happy about it. Virginia Tech will not play us anymore either, now that they are in the ACC ? Maryland has stated they are taking a 2 or 3 year break from our beat downs. As far as I know WVU has not backed down from any Major D1 University that came calling. WVU has scheduled Mississippi State 2006, 2007. Auburn, 2008 and 2009. Michigan State, 2010 and 2011 and Florida State 2012 and 2013. WVU is also working on some others to go along with the above listed school's. I seem to remember a time during the days of the SWC when the Horns had a BS schedule every single year. It was sick ..really ! Horn Boy #77 you know nothing of football and it shows. If we are going to talk football, lets be real about the state of things. Texas could not defeat either of the teams you listed above. I'll not even address your comments anymore, your just stupid. WVU's schedule does not take away from the fact they they have great speed on both sides of the ball. The CB's do worry me. They are very young and have made some big mistakes as far as their responsibilties are concerned in the 3-3-5 defense. I think they will get better later than sooner. EER fans will not like that comment. Hope I am wrong.
Howards Rock said:
posted on October 18, 2006 10:58 AM — 130.127.53.229 — link — abuse?
What do you guys think about Clemson this year? I know the ACC is down, but I think thus far the Tigers have been consistent (for once) I would love to see Clemson play in the Orange Bowl, hopefully against someone like WVA or 'Ville because it would be a matchup of the best scoring teams in the nation. Any thoughts?
IrishJT said:
posted on October 18, 2006 11:24 AM — 65.83.54.4 — link — abuse?
Big East Fan,
West Virginia added most of their OOC schedule last year. But even if they had concocted their OOC schedule 10 years ago, did any conventional wisdom have E. Washington, Marshall or E. Carolina in the Top 25? Top 50 even? Top 119? Ok, top 119.Excuses are like a##holes...WEST VIRGINIA HAS LOTS OF THEM!!!!!!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on October 18, 2006 11:52 AM — 206.135.38.217 — link — abuse?
Pip:
The Razorbacks have done a fantastic job of rebounding from that loss. Obviously, they are a much better team today. That took courage and class to pick themselves up and move on with their team plans - which is to win the SEC. I hope that they win out and get a BCS Bowl game. I'd rather play some other team, only because if we were to win that game, people would only bad mouth the Hogs. I'd rather kick the crap out of LSU or Auburn.
Tommie T
Aufan322006 said:
posted on October 18, 2006 12:47 PM — 208.45.204.50 — link — abuse?
Big East Fan
the only problem WV may have in geting to the title game is that Auburn with one loss may still get in ahead you. IF the BCS rankings stay like they are and Usc losses. Not that I'm bashing WV but Auburn has so far played a tougher schedule and that will be your down fall.EER10 said:
posted on October 18, 2006 1:56 PM — 129.71.238.253 — link — abuse?
NOTRE DAME, has Stanford 0-7, North Carolina 1-5
Army 3-4, Air Force 3-2, Navy 5-2 and Michigan State 3-4. Looks like a power schedule to me.See you in the $hit Bowl loser. You have know room to talk. It's like you said about excuses, right ? We are waiting, let's here it. This should be good. NOTRE DAME SUCK'S !
You played one ranked team and got the $hit kicked out of you.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on October 18, 2006 5:58 PM — 216.46.212.71 — link — abuse?
BIG EAST HAS NOT BEATEN ANY CURRENT TOP 25 TEAM!
MICHIGAN STATE TORCHED PITT......STATE CAN'T TOUCH BIG TEN OR ND!
BLOW OUT PEE WEE "U" AND ALL THE SUDDEN YOUR THE BEST!
VANDERBILT CAN BEAT GEORGIA!!!!!!!!!!!
WHO CARES WHAT RUSHING NUMBERS YOU PUT UP AGAINST PEE WEE "U"
WHAT CURRENTLY RANKED TEAM (NON CONF.)HAS THE BIG EAST BEAT??????????? THEN WHO CARES!!!!!!IrishJT said:
posted on October 18, 2006 7:03 PM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Portis,
Not sure what you're talking about, but English 402 was an AP class that ND grads take in high school to even be considered by admissions. Not sure what a "Big L" tastes like either. Did you go to West Virgina as well?For the rest of you, the following teams on ND's schedule are/have been ranked:
Georgia Tech #13
Penn State #11
Michigan #2 or 3
Michigan State #25
USC #2 or 3The following teams on West Virginia's schedule, besides Louisville, have been, or are currently, ranked:
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.Don't be stupid. There are none.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on October 18, 2006 7:32 PM — 68.49.176.53 — link — abuse?
M Go Blue, Yeah.... if you think for a second that WVU can't put up 300+ rushing yards a game against "anybody"? Well, then you must be insane! Did you never watched them last season against Louisville or Georgia? Georgia gave up 382 yards. Louisville gives up 281 to us (05'). Miss. St. gave up 314 to us this year(on 44 attempts). The Miss St. defense only allowed "LSU" 108( on 38 attempts). We put up 461 yards rushing against Syracuse (on 45 attempts)!. "Iowa" was only able to muster 149 rushing yards against Syracuse's Defense on (37 attempts)! See the trend so far M Go Blue? All these defenses we've played against has been pretty damn good against the "run" this year, but yet WVU blows holes right through them all each and every time. So do some research before you shoot your mouth off again! irishjt does this sort of thing also, but he doesn't seem to care how much of a douche-cannon he looks like when he posts.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on October 18, 2006 7:41 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
goodtobe1,
The Big TEN has TWO LOSSES to NON-DIVISION 1A teams!!! That shouldnt go Un-Noticed. And... the Big East, collectively, has the BEST RECORD in the Country! (no losses to Non-D1A teams).
Taking a look at the SOSes, the Big East hasnt had the Strength of Schedule that the PAC has faced and nor as tough as the Big TEN or SEC... But it HAS been as tough (if not tougher) than what the XII and/or the ACC have faced. Its a give and take, I know its NOT just about the "Record" -- Two Losses to Non-D1A teams is almost Unheard of! the Big TEN is suffering the concequences.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on October 18, 2006 7:42 PM — 68.49.176.53 — link — abuse?
irishjt, post #121 is hilarious at best.
Penn ST. not having a good year.
Mich St. do I need to say anything? That big "L" Portis mentioned.... was the Big LOSS you guys have this year, and a blowout at that.... ah ha ha ha ha.Big East Fan said:
posted on October 18, 2006 7:57 PM — 129.71.136.38 — link — abuse?
"The following teams on West Virginia's schedule, besides Louisville, have been, or are currently, ranked:"
Uhhh. Rutgers Idiot, they are 6-0 and ranked #16 in BCS poll...Pittsburgh is 6-1 and is currently #26 in both polls and moving up. The Big East Bias is the only thing thats keeping them out...That Michigan State choke is the only amunition that you have against them.
It's not where you start in the polls that matter IrishJT....it's where you finish...Oh, I forgot It's been so long since Notre Dame has won a bowl they don't know how to finish......When Notre Dame beats a team that is ranked at the END of the season....we will talk, until then shut your mouth and suffer in you jealousy.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on October 18, 2006 10:02 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Irish JT,
Follow your own advice - "dont be stupid."
Dont try to assign that stupid-ass "at the time-Rankings" to Notre Dame's opponents, namely to Michigan St; M St is not "ranked" and likely wont Finish-up "ranked"...
West Virginia has a solid schedule remaining. Their schedule so far has been WEAK, but the reaming schedule is solid:
6-0 Louis, 6-0 Rutgers, 6-1 Pitts, 5-2 So Flo, 3-3 Uconn, 3-4 Cincy, Bowl Game.Having said that, ND is more than likely gonna have a Stronger SOS than West Virginia as the entire season is played out - At the end of the season, thats when the actual strength of teams is determined.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on October 18, 2006 10:34 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
BCS Rankings, Week 1 --- My Rankings
1. Ohio St
2. USC
3. Michigan
4. Auburn --- 5
5. WVU --- 14 (tied)
6. Florida --- 4
7. Louis --- 10
8. Notre Dame --- 6
9. Texas --- 14 (tied)
10. Cal --- 7 (tied)
11. Tenn --- 7 (tied)
12. Clemson --- 14 (tied)
13. Arkansas --- 7 (tied)
14. Oregon --- 11 (tied)
15. Boise St --- 11 (tied)
16. Rutgers --- 11 (tied)
17. Nebraska
18. LSU --- 25 (tied)
19. GTech --- 17 (tied)
20. BC --- 17 (tied)
21. Wiscy --- 17 (tied)
22. Oklahoma --- 25 (tied)
23. Iowa --- 28 (tied)
24. Mizzu --- 19 (tied)
25. Tulsa --- 21 (tied)Un-Ranked Wake and aTm, I have tied for No. 21
matt said:
posted on October 18, 2006 10:42 PM — 74.237.131.26 — link — abuse?
Uconn, cincy, s. fla?.....
Louisville, Rutgers, Pitt, and W. Virgina are all overrated and wv and louisville should be at 10 and 13 not 5 and 7. people talk about Steve Slaton, but look at the defenses hes ran against...the teams blow. if WV or louisville were in the SEC theyd have lost at least twice by now.GO GATORS!!!
Aufan322006 said:
posted on October 19, 2006 12:48 AM — 208.45.204.50 — link — abuse?
Hey Diggs
You know Computers are funny things. According to the BCS ones WV is way behind U of L and Rutgers. Now if you beat both of them it may go up or not but the fact that Auburn won over Florida will go a long way in the Computers not to mention LSU who should win out.
But like I said before I'm not Bashing WV I think they are a REALLY GOOD TEAM but I just don't see themn getting in the NC game. Even if they do desevre tocard-in-Oklahoma said:
posted on October 19, 2006 3:53 AM — 70.233.169.73 — link — abuse?
ATTENTION BIG EAST HATERS: Anybody that thinks WVU can't play with anyone in the nation YOU"RE NUT'S!! And time will show you!...IrishJT/post#121... Was Miami not ranked like #17th when Louisville beat them down this year!! Everyone can say the Big East doesn't play anybody but in reality it takes two programs to make a schedule!!I can't speak for every Big East school but I Know for a fact that the Louisville AD Tom Jurich And Coach Bobby Petrino said they would play a home & home series WITH ANYBODY!!! LET ME REPEAT ANYBODY!!! THAT MEANS YOU SEC,YOU BIG TEN,YOU BIG XII,YOU PAC 10,YOU ACC,AND YOU NOTRE DAME!!! I KNOW TO BE THE BEST YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE BEST BUT HOW CAN YOU DO THAT WHEN THE BEST TEAMS IN THE BEST CONFERENCES ARE SCARED TO SCHEDULE YOU? ALL YOU FANS OF THE BEST TEAMS IN THE BEST CONFERENCES PLEASE TELL YOUR AD'S & COACHES TO PLEASE SCHEDULE LOUISVILLE!!! SO WE SQUASH THIS PITIFUL ARGUMENT ABOUT HOW THE BIG EAST DOESN'T PLAY ANYONE!! DIGGS THE MOUNTIE AND EER10.... GET READY!! NOV. 2ND IS GOING TO BE FUN AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL HOLD UP THE EXCITEMENT OF LAST YEARS GAME!! THE EYES OF THE NATION WILL SURELY BE ON THE BIG EAST THAT DAY!!
Hopefully my cardinals will come out on the winning end this year... like they should have last year!!GO CARDS!!
IrishJT said:
posted on October 19, 2006 9:24 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
OK So Cal, where ya' at? Big East fans talking about Miami's #17 ranking at the time of that loss (#135) is certainly a point of contention. Miami was already sliding at that point. However, I think you DISCOUNT the fact that a first loss...especially the manner in which Mich St suffered their first loss...can devestate a team. I cite Pitt/ND last year and Mich St this year. Seasons CAN turn on a single game, especially early in the season. It takes a lot of character to bounce back from a devestating loss (I cite Notre Dame this year!!). If Michigan State beats the Irish this year, they go into Illinois, Michigan and Ohio State with a completely different mindframe. It is that intangible that your "end-of-season SOS" analysis fails to recognize. Beating a ranked team is beating a ranked team. Give credit where it is due. ND didn't catch Sparty mid-slide. They pushed them down the hill.
Big Difference than the Miami situation, who has been sliding since Florida State. The Irish have the character and ability to bounce back, as they showed in the second half against STATE. They haven't looked back and won't.
Big East Fan said:
posted on October 19, 2006 10:17 AM — 168.216.24.38 — link — abuse?
Just wanted to point out the strength of schedule of the Big East Teams...According to the NCAA.
National Schedule of D IA teams.
1. UCONN
4. Cinncinati
13. Syracuse
21. Rutgers
30. Louisville
32. West Virginia
37. PittsburghOther Notables
26. Ohio State
22. Notre DameJust wanted to solidify an argument based on facts....WVU 1st 6 games are against opponents with a 9-15 record or .375 winning percentage. WVU next 6 games are against teams with a combine 24-10 or 70% winning percentage. WVU's remaining schedule is tougher than any other Top 10 BCS team besides Louisville (WVU Play them) and The Ville percentage is the same as WVU. Whoever wins the Game on Nov. 2 will be in the drivers seat for a National Championship game, assuming USC loses. If WVU wins out the computers start loving the Mountaineers...and guess why boys........SOS.
Big East Fan said:
posted on October 19, 2006 11:28 AM — 168.216.24.38 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC....You have WVU ranked 14th....explain why, tell me what makes WVU's offense, defense, special teams, and Coach Rod ranked 14th....use evidence. I bet you have never what the Mountaineers play. Things to watch.
1. Halftime of tonights game on ESPN, Coach Rod will be in the ESPN studio. Listen to the man...he knows football.
2. Tomorrow Night 9/20/06 on ESPN- 8:00 WVU at UCONN. Watch and then tell my why they are ranked #14. If you can.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on October 19, 2006 4:23 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Matt,
West Virginia is Over-"RANKED" by the Polls considering the opponents they have faced UP UNTIL THIS POINT IN THE SEASON (It is yet to be determined how their ACTUAL SOS will turn out). Rutgers is Under-Ranked by the Polls at No. 19, nevertheless the Big East has proven to be a solid BCS conference (better, overall, than the ACC and the XII at this point).
I personally have Rutgers ranked 11th (tied with Oregon & Boise St)... WVU is ranked 14th (tied with Texas & Clemson).
The point is WVU has yet to Prove whether its a True Contender... but also has yet to Prove that its Not.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on October 19, 2006 4:45 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Big East Fan,
I like West Virginia's team, I like Rodriguez - one of the best calls all of last year was Rodriguez going for a fake punt in the Sugar Bowl that beat Georgia (great blend of Brains and Balls). West Virginia was one of the most impressive/surprising teams - heading into last season they had one of the FEWEST amounts of Retruning Starters (3 on O, 5 on D) and STILL finished 11-1, Ranked No. 5... and DESERVING OF IT.
Now as to my reasoning for having WVU 14th after Week 7... Everything is Relative.
When you compare What WVU has done, WHO THEY'VE BEATEN, to what other teams have done, WVU (6-0) falls in place at No. 14 -- Tied with Texas (6-1) and Clemson (6-1).
I only consider Who a team beats and losses to. There is no such thing as "style points" - A Win is a Win, a Loss is a Loss... "close" dont mean S... "blow-outs" dont mean S. Here's a quick and Generic/Simplistic look as to what I go by that puts West Virg below certain other teams by comparison...
Boise St:
Hawaii 4-2
Utah 4-3
O State 3-3
Wyoming 3-4
New Mex St
La Tech
Non-D1A teamRutgers:
So Flo 5-2
Navy 5-2
Ohio 4-3
Illy
UNC
Non-D1A teamWest Virginia:
Maryland 4-2
Syracuse 3-4
E Carol 2-4 ???
Marshall
Miss St
Non-D1A teamSo Cal USMC said:
posted on October 19, 2006 4:57 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Howards Rocks,
You're right in saying that West Virginia hasnt "proven much" (Yet!), but...
The Big East has THE BEST RECORD in the Country!!! You cant down-play the Big East, Not This Year...
Conference Comparisons after 7 weeks (Wins over D1A opponents and total Losses):
Big East - 76.5
SEC - 75.9
BTEN - 67.6 ** 2 LOSSES to non-D1A Teams **
PAC - 65.2
XII - 60.5 ** 1 loss to non-D1A team **
ACC - 58.6 ** 1 loss to non-D1A team **And, the Big East's collective SOS has been comperable to that of the ACC's and the XII's.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on October 19, 2006 5:11 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Big East Fan,
The NCAA is not the SOS-source you wanna use, its probably the most simplistic/mis-guiding... better SOS-ratings are provided by Sagarin, Massey, Anderson & Hester.
But if you are gonna use the NCAA SOS rating list, atleast use the Current Strength of Schedule, the one "Sorted by Past Opposition", not the "Cumilitive/Future" ones.
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/2006/Internet/toughest%20schedule/ia_9games_past.pdf
1. La Tech
2. Florida
3. Boston
4. USC
...
15. Uconn
17. Cincy
42. Syracuse
55. Rutgers
95. Louisville
105. WVU
109. Pitts
113. So Floother notables:
13. Ohio St
22. Notre DameTommie Trojan said:
posted on October 19, 2006 5:38 PM — 206.135.38.217 — link — abuse?
I agree with So Cal USMC:
The NCAA SOS sucks! It is probably biased in some way. It simply cannot be anywhere close to being right. In all ways: academia tries to level the playing field and make everything fair for everybody. Reality is not fair! The Sagarin, Massey, Anderson/Hester and Billingsley models are much better. They offer some variation also. But, it is not as wildly far out there that the NCAA model is. As usual, the private sector (who has to get it right), does a much finer job than a Government controlled beauracracy ever will.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on October 19, 2006 6:28 PM — 206.135.38.217 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC:
I can't find where it's posted either. But, go to Billingsley's site and "click on" "understanding the ratings system - In search of a National Champion". It's a great read and explains just about every facet of how "SOS, wins/losses and season progression" play the most important rolls in the BCS computer system. It is very informative. Therefore, Billingsley is very much using SOS but I don't think that it posted at the same place where the ratings are at. Those ratings do mention who you beat or lost to and what their ranking was. Anyway, he uses it - that is for sure.
Tommie T
goodtobe1 said:
posted on October 19, 2006 9:24 PM — 76.16.231.78 — link — abuse?
sorry for the delay. Mountie - sorry, you're right - apparently your wide receivers clock faster than they play. forgive me for being underwhelmed by the 5 combined TD's that darius and brandon have scored so far. and no, i won't post OSU's 40 times. there's no need.
and then i make a joke about putting slaton on ginn and you think i'm being serious? it's called facetious. the general idea was that you don't want this NC game with us, because you don't have folks who can cover us. sorry. i'll be more blunt from now on.
blunt - don't quote me 13 points per game stats. you gave up 24 to freaking maryland. we gave up 7 to texas at texas. you may beat LV, but you're going to give up major points...guaranteed.Jim - only one group of fans is *1* tossing around the word d^^che with casual ease and *2* IrishJT (post 72) is right - when you're up by 30 and still taunting, you need class. psu doesn't do it, i haven't seen nd do it, i sure as hell hope osu fans don't do it (but will admit we're not ranked too high on the class-o-meter) and your fans, obviously, couldn't help themselves. give yourself credit where it's due.
oh - no more about how many awesome teams the big east is going to schedule. good for you. the time to be doing that was about, oh, 4 years ago. anyone who thinks the buckeyes scheduled texas and was scared to schedule wvu deserves to have another tooth knocked out. your folks didn't schedule your games with an eye towards improving your SOS. surely there's one lonely decent 1A team out there who wants a piece of you. OSU is scarier than you are, and we have texas (06), Washington (07 - hope they're good), USC (08), USC (09).
we're talking about this year, not 2009. if we can find good teams who aren't scared to play us, so can you. don't pretend like teams fear you more. you may be starting to improve your sos, but we're dumping on you now because your team deserves the consequences of not starting earlier. too bad louisville caught miami on a bad year - that, at least, was a good try.
moral of the story - next year is next year. this year the big east faces the consequences of a soft NC SOS and we just want to hear more of you admit it. you need help to get to the NC game, and you deserve to need help. next year? maybe you don't need help. no one cares about next year right now.
goodtobe1 said:
posted on October 19, 2006 9:32 PM — 76.16.231.78 — link — abuse?
Yes, i agree that the worst of the big ten are awful. but the best are fantastic, and have beaten good teams so far to prove it. it doesn't matter that northwestern stinks. it matters that michigan beat a good nd team and osu beat a good texas team. and one of those awful big ten teams (MSU) beat the bejesus out of one of your good teams (Pitt). that doesn't exactly scream 'big east on steriods'...
and if you think i'm overselling the beating, remember that the Spartans were penalized nine times for 75 yards and had several plays negated due to holding penalties. Five plays that gained a combined 58 yards were called back, four of them for holding and another for an illegal man downfield. and yet they put up 533 yards on Pitt. do we need to continue this conversation? do you still think the clock speed of pitt's cornerbacks matters any more than the clock speed of wvu's receivers? beat EC 27-10 and i get to call you 'slow'. those are the rules. beat LOUV by more than that and i'll stop calling you slow. i promise.
Big East Fan said:
posted on October 19, 2006 10:01 PM — 129.71.136.18 — link — abuse?
So Call USMC...I like most of your points and your problably right on what we have proven so far THIS season...My point is only that with the games that WVU has remaining against 2 maybe 3 ranked teams will lift the computer poll average....We are way ahead of Auburn in both human polls which makes 66% of the BCS. I was pointing out that our schedule from here on out will only improve our Computer Poll Ave and BCS points....Having said that, I believe with my mind (Not my Heart) if WVU wins out and USC loses it will leave only 2 BCS conference teams undefeated (assuming Michigan or Ohio State doesn't get upset prior to the big game). If only 2...WVU will be in the BCS championship game. I'm just pointing out the facts. I'm just not so sure that WVU or U of L can get through the Big East unscathed. Rutgers, Louisville, and even Pitt worries me. The Big East is back....and problably better off without the Thugs in Miami and Blacksburg.
Ibleedorange said:
posted on October 20, 2006 2:31 AM — 65.188.21.22 — link — abuse?
Just let me break down my opinion of how the season will end.
-USC- will go to NC and lose
-Ohio State- Will beat Michigan and play them again and Michigan will win and win the NC
-Irish- wont do anything just because you arent good enough
-West Viriginia- will probably finish with one loss.........but still suck
-Florida- overrated this year but will still probably finish with only one loss and because the BCS is so screwed will play against Auburn and lose the SEC champ.
-Tennessee- (I hope) we can finish the season with one loss and somehow with the magic of the BCS be ranked above Florida and win the SEC
-Texas- Not your year this year..........forget about it.
-Rutgers, Cali, Boise St. etc. etc. etc.- you all know who you are and that you play in terrible conferences and you should not be ranked.
-that especially goes for WV
-Alabama will lose to Tennessee..........I am sure of it. I asked Miss Cleo.
-Jim said:
posted on October 20, 2006 9:58 AM — 68.87.100.157 — link — abuse?
Ibleedorange
Don't forget, WVU and UT have a common opponent, Marshall, remember the team that took you to the 4th quarter. The WVU-MU game was over well before halftime, Patrick White and Steve Slaton had a seat in the 3rd quarter, at the end of the 3rd quarter UT had a very commanding 16-7 lead.
I know common opponents don't mean much, match ups are different, but saying WVU sucks, what do you base this on. Do you base it on the fact that UT sucks by only holding a 16-7 lead at the end of the 3rd quarter so WVU must suck too because they could only hang 42 on them.
Sorry, don't understand your logic, maybe that's it, you have no logic.The schedule is what it is, when Miss St was scheduled they were much better than they were this year, Maryland has won the ACC recently, Marshall has won at Clemson, at South Carolina, at Kansas St. and took several people to the wire, including Ohio St, UT, UGa, in recent years, all on the road because teams are scared to go to huntington, namely your vols have backed out of a 3 for 1 with them. What are the odds that they would all be down, Maryland is 4-2 not exactly down.
I leave with this.
How come UT picked orange as their color?
So they could wear it to the game on Saturday, hunting on Sunday and wear it to clean up the roads on Monday.
AUBURN - Alabama Usually Beats Us Round November
UT - Us Too
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on October 20, 2006 10:14 AM — 206.135.38.217 — link — abuse?
IBleedOrange:
Here's a bad scenario for you - any very unjust. Let's forget about every other team except for Cal, USC and Tennessee. What if California beats USC and wins out. That makes Cal (11-1) with the only loss to Tennessee in a "beat down". What if Tennessee wins out and finishes at (11-1), but gets no chance to play for the SEC title, because of the loss at Florida. What if they rank California higher than Tennessee for their win over USC. What if California played for the National Championship? What if Florida or Auburn got to and Tennessee never got a shot? I personally could see a scenario in the SEC, with these stupid conference playoff games, that Tennessee could be the best team in the SEC and never get the chance for the automatic BCS invite. This is very much a reality right now. And, Tennessee is the only SEC team with a crushing victory over another highly regarded BCS team. This playoff system is, with it's automatic invites, is plain BS.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on October 20, 2006 11:05 AM — 206.135.38.217 — link — abuse?
My picks, for significant games only, for games upcoming in week #9:
California over Washington, Oregon over Washington State, Notre Dame over UCLA, Michigan over Iowa, Wisconsin over Purdue, Clemson over Georgia Tech, Nebraska over Texas, Tennessee over Alabama, Florida State over Boston College and Pittsburgh over Rutgers.
Rutgers goes down and that's one less unbeaten. If this happens then there can only possibly be three unbeatens at the end of the year: Big 10 winner, Big East winner and possibly USC. I can't give a title shot to a Big East winner this year. Should USC lose - I would want to see whatever (1) loss SEC team was left. Unless that team was Arkansas - then, I'd have to give the Trojans the nod. Texas might get my consideration if they finished (12-1), but they have already lost to Ohio State, and the Big 12 has been over represented in Title games in recent years.
Tommie T
M GO BLUE said:
posted on October 20, 2006 11:46 AM — 216.46.213.44 — link — abuse?
Michigan State put up 533 yards on pitt??!!!!
Maybe they should join the Big East! Where they can actually win a game =)
I keep hearing 30-8!!!!!!!!!.........PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEE PEE WEESOUTHERN Illinois beat indiana...who beat Iowa....who beat syracuse....
Michigan State beat Pitt.....illinois beat Michigan state.......Michigan beat Michigan state......ohio state beat michigan state......Notre Dame beat Michigan state....OHIO STATE ROCKS!!!....AND SUCKS!!!! =)
So Cal USMC said:
posted on October 20, 2006 5:49 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
bleedorange,
The first two of your break-down opinions arent that far off, but you fall into "the Clown mentality" after that...
West Virginia, its yet-to-be-determined how good/great they are as much as its yet-to-be-determined how bad they are, er, how much they "suck". And to believe that West Virginia will end-up with only 1 Loss, but "still suck", is the complete Clown-speak. The Big East has the Best Record vs D1A teams in the Country (7 weeks into the season)! even if their SOS has been mediocre, the Big East is NOT an "also-ran" Conference - Not this Year - so there's no much credence to your opinion.
Pay attention, the Conference that Cal Berkeley plays in (The PAC) is currently Rated No. 1 in 3 of the 4 BCS Rating systems, Overall! (exclusively based on Wins and Losses; not media hype). You're down-playing the wrong team/conference there.
Notre Dame, "Irish", I dont know what you mean by "wont do anything" exactly -- If its in terms of National Title aspirations, then I might agree. But ND has done as much, Proven as much, as just about any other 1-Loss team in the country, presently: WINS over GeoTech (5-1), Purdue (5-2), Penn St (4-3), Mich St (3-4), Stanford (0-7)... and a LOSS to Michigan (7-0).
Saying that Its not Texas' Year... ~insightful~... you can say that for 118 teams!
The rest of it, involving Tennessee, I guess is just "wishful thinking" (admittedly), so theres no issue there.
Howards Rock said:
posted on October 21, 2006 12:19 PM — 130.127.53.229 — link — abuse?
just for the record, i just left gameday here at clemson, and Fowler told us we were the loudest and biggest gameday crowd they have seen in the 13 years of the show. Jan the yellow jacket logan, if you are reading this, you are a moron. you said we would have 200 people at most, well we just doubled nebraskas record as we had over 10,000 people there. you suck jan and so does your school
go tigers!!!
deeryIts in the Game said:
posted on October 21, 2006 2:24 PM — 199.120.77.58 — link — abuse?
Its in the Game says:
I am new around here,and this is my first blog by the way,and I would like to say that I have watched college football since I was five years of age. First I would like to say to 10ACGal that you are right about the Vols being screwed by the BCS and I think they should be tenth or ninth in the BCS Poll because, they were on the good end of a blowout with Cal and I also think that the SEC Conference is the number two if not number one conference in the country. The SEC is a tough conference and if Tenn or any other team want to win the conference,they would have go play teams like, Alabama,Florida, Auburn,SC,LSU,the bulldogs and somtimes,Ole Miss. Moreover, Auburn did lose to an unranked team in the Razorback and should be lower in the poll then they should currently be.I also like to say that Notre Dame will go to a BCS Game (Rose?)and finish there reg. season at 11-1 but,I see WV going undefeated and playing the winner of the Mich/Ohio St. game (even though WV plays a softer schedule and two trap games and Louisville). The last I want to say is that I can't wait for the Ohio St./Mich game, The WV/Lou. game, and the USC/ND game (I hope they are very good games and not blowouts). I will be on the blog again soon.
Your Humble Servent: Its in the game.Jake Fegan said:
posted on October 25, 2006 6:31 PM — 63.85.198.34 — link — abuse?
Will an undefeated winner of Louisville / West Virginia be shut out of the national championship game in favor of a one loss USC or Texas ? If Louisville wins out, I think they deserve a shot -- at least they scheduled Miami. Otherwise, they should just kick the Big East of the BCS.
The "experts" say that if the West Virginia / Louisville winner is the ONLY undefeated team in the country, they will still not get a spot in the title game.
(I think the Mountaineers could run on anyone, but not sure if they could hold up defensively against the likes of OSU, Michigan, or USC.)
Tiger Fan for life....LSU benfitted greatly from the BCS and got a spot in the title game over USC that one year (was it 2003?), so quit your complaining. Ohio State and Michigan would roll over the entire SEC this year.
Jake Fegan said:
posted on October 25, 2006 10:19 PM — 68.185.100.17 — link — abuse?
Of course all of this is moot if USC wins out because they will play Ohio State / Michigan winner in the title game.
If the only other BCS conference team that is undefeated (other than OSU/Mich winner that is) is West Virginia, and they do not get into the tite game over a one-loss team, then the BCS will be truly rendered useless.
I'm not a big fan of WVU, but they sure opened a lot of eyes in the BCS last year by thumping Auburn. It was over at halftime.
I am a huge Buckeyes fan. I'd like to see them play Texas again. I think Texas would lose again, but in a closer game now that McCoy seems to be settling in.
I would love to see USC lose to Cal and then Notre Dame lose to USC. That way, the two most overhyped despicable teams will be ouf of the national title picture.
Isn't it funny how every other team is out of the national championship picture after one loss, but it takes two losses for Notre ("We barely beat UCLA at home") Dame to be truly eliminated?
Jake Fegan said:
posted on October 26, 2006 6:08 PM — 63.85.198.34 — link — abuse?
Yeah, i reliazed that after I posted that they beat Georgia last year in the BCS.
I think Notre Dame has a great offense and they are a very good team. We'll find out where they really are when they play USC. If they win out, they deserve a chance to play (and will play) in the BCS, but not the national title game. A one loss Michigan team should go to the national title game in a rematch against the Buckeyes before Notre Dame should go in with one loss.
You Eff Fan said:
posted on October 30, 2006 2:22 PM — 209.43.25.133 — link — abuse?
Well, It is about time that the most hyped team in college football history (USC) finally had their luck run out. Being a Gator, I am happy to see justice served! Most of you all are living in fantasyland anyway, thinking your teams are so great when they play like two or three ranked teams the whole year! The weakest teams in the SEC can beat 90% of the teams in the nation! Wake up and smell BIG BOY FOOTBALL in the SEC. Must be nice to "cruise" through a season playing a buch of high school teams... yawn.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on October 30, 2006 7:29 PM — 206.135.38.217 — link — abuse?
UF Fan:
Mark this down: you'll get to see Florida lose to whoever they play in the SEC Championship game. That's a fact. Also, I would not be surprised if ol' Bobby Bowden doesn't teach the youngster a thing or two also. So, don't act so high and mighty because you've won just two decent games so far (including the one that LSU handed to you).
Tommie T
OU Fan said:
posted on October 31, 2006 7:51 AM — 64.91.26.26 — link — abuse?
Post 170, did you forget that the SEC did not do so great in last years bowl games?? Did you forget? Well, did you? Wasn't the SEC like 3-2 last year? Thats only 5 teams. If you didn't know, the Big 12 was 5-3, which is a total of 8 teams. The ACC was 5-3, which is also a total of 8 teams. The national champion was also a big 12 team. So please don't talk about all of this tough conference crap until the bowl games start, because to me this SEC being the toughest conference doesn't mean shit. And I am not a USC fan, but the Trojans are a much better football team than what the Florida Gators, Auburn Tigers, LSU Tigers, or Georgia Bulldogs ever will be. Go Big 12! SEC sucks! Go Sooners!
ND Fighter said:
posted on November 8, 2006 11:00 AM — 72.47.90.121 — link — abuse?
For all of you ding dongs out there that 'claim' ND won't join a conference, don't be so hurt by it, they just don't want controlled by your big 10 BS. ND remains independant because they want to and they 'can'. They have the most difficult schedule out of all the 'big 10'............remember now, ND didn't play Kent State or Ball state.....
If OH played a real flippin' schedule they wouldn't even be in the top 10. Go IRISH!!
You Eff Fan said:
posted on November 20, 2006 11:07 PM — 68.233.60.96 — link — abuse?
Hey Tommie Condom! Sorry to bust your overinflated USC bubble, but that team ain't half as good as you think. I know UF scraped by a few games this year... that is kind of my point. The SEC is the strongest conference, week in week out. You have a half dozen teams that are very good, and can beat each other at any time. Look at the rankings and see that they are all still up there. USC has a couple of tough games left, so we shall see how they end up. OU Fan, please stop living in last year, or I might have to mention last year's college basketball champion! I'll give you a hint: WE DID!
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C-DOGG said:
posted on October 15, 2006 4:49 PM — 24.131.224.89 — link — abuse?Wow, you guys move fast to post this. Anyways, get ready for #1 Ohio State Vs. #2 Michigan.