November 12, 2006
BCS Poll 2006 - Week 5
Week 5 Poll of the Bowl Championship Series 11-12-2006)
1. Ohio State
2. Michigan
3. USC
4. Florida
5. Notre Dame
6. Rutgers
7. Arkansas
8. West Virginia
9. Wisconsin
10. Louisville
11. LSU
12. Boise State
13. Texas
14. Auburn
15. California
16. Wake Forest
17. Oklahoma
18. Georgia Tech
19. Maryland
20. Boston College
21. Virginia Tech
22. Tennessee
23. Nebraska
24. Oregon
25. Brigham Young
Expanded computer rankings
AH RB CM KM JS PW
1. Ohio State 24 25 23 20 23 23
2. Michigan 25 24 25 25 25 25
3. Southern California 21 22 22 23 21 20
4. Florida 22 20 21 21 18 18
5. Notre Dame 20 19 20 22 22 22
6. Rutgers 23 23 24 24 24 24
7. Arkansas 18 16 15 19 17 17
8. West Virginia 16 17 14 15 14 15
9. Wisconsin 17 21 18 17 20 19
10. Louisville 19 18 19 18 19 21
11. LSU 12 15 12 12 12 12
12. Boise State 15 14 17 14 16 16
13. Texas 10 12 11 5 5 14
14. Auburn 13 8 13 13 13 9
15. California 14 7 16 16 15 13
16. Wake Forest 11 13 9 9 7 8
17. Oklahoma 9 11 8 3 2 6
18. Georgia Tech 7 9 10 10 10 11
19. Maryland 6 6 6 7 6 10
20. Boston College 5 3 7 4 4 7
21. Virginia Tech 3 10 4 2 0 1
22. Tennessee 8 5 5 11 11 4
23. Nebraska 2 0 2 0 0 0
24. Oregon 4 1 3 8 9 2
25. Brigham Young 0 0 0 0 0 0
AH - Anderson & Hester
RB - Richard Billingsley
CM - Colley Matrix
KM - Kenneth Massey
JS - Jeff Sagarin
PW - Peter Wolfe
Comments:
G8RB8T said:
posted on November 12, 2006 8:10 PM — 74.237.131.26 — link — abuse?
WHAT?
how is USC #3??? unbelievable. the computers musta had a virus!!!!!unbelievable! that is absolutely terrible. hmm lets see who should be #3...
#4 Florida loses to #14 Auburn (in toughest conference in football)
#3 USC loses to UNRANKED Oregon State (in 4th best conference in footballwow that is a toughie...
desperate mwc fan said:
posted on November 12, 2006 8:21 PM — 70.180.128.53 — link — abuse?
like it or not, USC has a tougher sos which means if they win out they will be playing for a nat champ again. That is the way the BCS works.
If you want to play it that way, how much did SC beat arkansas by. Who did Florida lose to ? End of story. sorry.....Rob said:
posted on November 12, 2006 8:59 PM — 24.162.79.202 — link — abuse?
I can't believe more people DON'T think that the BCS is fixed, let alone the AP.
The PAC-10 is so insanely weighted, and the money thrown around on schools like Notre Dame is so enormous, it's impossible (with consciousness) to think otherwise.
How big is Notre Dame's contract with NBC again...?
Where Louisville is concerned: The only reason they should have been ranked AT ALL was because they were undefeated at the time. Rutgers is just good TV.
The fact that LSU only moved up one spot, and ranked below teams like West Virginia and Louisville, is laughable.
If Florida were to play USC right now, they would embarrass the Trojans...period.
Wisconson? Ahead of Texas? They've played 1 ranked team, Michigan, and got spanked. Texas? They've played 3 ranked teams and have beat 2 of them. Their only loss before this week was to Ohio State...you're telling me they play in a weaker conference than Rutgers does? Are you high?
This is fixed. Period.
GATORGreg said:
posted on November 12, 2006 9:18 PM — 24.250.203.14 — link — abuse?
Of course USC is ranked #3. BCS = blowing California slowly because this crap happens every year. Gators however dont deserve number 3 with their recent play but no way in hell is USC who loses to UNRANKED team deserve to be number 3. You know these computer are flawed because 2 had Rutgers #3 and 2 had them #2. Absolute garbage seeing as how their first ranked game was last week.
Oh well Im done venting because Cal beats USC this weekend and it all plays out. I will say that if USC wins out(thats the rest of the season) then they deserve a higher ranking but right know is a little pre-mature.
OU Fan said:
posted on November 12, 2006 9:27 PM — 70.250.245.153 — link — abuse?
How is an Auburn team ahead of the Oklahoma Sooners? Auburn has been wooped TWICE at HOME to unranked teams(the Hogs were unranked when they beat Auburn). OU lost to a then top 10 Texas teamn and well, we all know what happened at Oregon. And USC loses to an unranked team and is still ahead of a Rutgers team who beat #3 Louisville, this is insane. And the Auburn Tigers definately deserve not to be in the top 20, but maybe between 20-25. Go Sooners!!
Big East Fan said:
posted on November 12, 2006 9:41 PM — 129.71.136.48 — link — abuse?
LOL....the SEC is the Biggest Joke in College football, now that they are getting exposed as a pretender...they are saying the BCS is fixed. Louisville would put up 30 points on almost any SEC defense...WVU would rush for 350 yards on anyone in the SEC. Everyone says that the SEC plays great defense. I think they just play crappy offense.
When you can't prove things on the field anymore you say it all about money and T.V.
You argument is spoken like an insecure southerner. Maybe the SEC should schedule better OOC teams, the conference is to weak. Ask your best team Arkansas...they know what its like to schedule a big time team, they were waxed by USC.
See getting bashed for absolutely no reason sucks doesn't it.....welcome to the last 3 years of the Big East. Now its someone elses turn...the ACC is to easy to bash nowdays.
Rob said:
posted on November 12, 2006 10:49 PM — 24.162.79.202 — link — abuse?
Big East Fan says "...argument is spoken like an insecure southerner..."
Actually, if you're directing that at me...I'm from Boston. I just realize that the SEC is a better conference than most, if not all, of the others in the NCAA. Most, if not all, of people in broadcast television think the same thing...as do most, if not all, sportswriters.
"....Louisville would put up 30 points on almost any SEC..."
We're probably going to find out, if Louisville can win out. I'll come back to this thread when they get "whooped."How many teams in the Big East are ranked right now...using this crap system? How many SEC teams are ranked? I can't believe you're not angrier than I am...???
I know you're not comparing the Big 12 to the Big East...I won't even start with that.
I'm a bigger hockey fan (BU) than I am a football fan, anyway. I just think that the arguement for this being rigged is getting stronger and stronger.
GatorMatt said:
posted on November 12, 2006 11:10 PM — 65.213.191.153 — link — abuse?
Wow. Talking about tough out of conference football games? Last time I checked, WVU has only played one decent team, and they happened to be in their conference. It would be suicide for the SEC to play tough OOC teams, b/c they have enough trouble having to deal with each other. There's no reason to cry, you're just seeing what it's like to have to play decent teams for once. Enjoy
ky nole said:
posted on November 12, 2006 11:18 PM — 74.138.147.240 — link — abuse?
What has the Big East done? Who have they beat out of conferenc? Anybody that is ranked? I'm talking about the whole conference since it added it's new members. Down the SEC all you want. Bottom line we have more championships in the football part than you have in all your teams and sports combined. You don't deserve the one BCS spot you get. Bash the ACC all you want those teams have proven themselves over and over one the field. Remember when UL was in Conference USA and going to the Motor City Bowl and losing to Marshall every year with the number 1 offense. The big east was owned by Miami and VT. Rutgers was eating out of the toilet and WV was happy to finish 3. Take the power out and now all the crap teams own the conference while you finish behind them. You are supposed to be something. Instead of running to the weakest conference available so you can try to get to the BCS when you still can't, come to a power conference where half of the teams stay in the top 25 and compete for national championships every year. By the way, real conferences have championship games. Try beating WVU twice since it would be so easy. The BIG EAST just plain sucks. Good win by Rutgers. Tired of hearing UL hog wash. Blitz + Brohm = loss Everytime
Luke said:
posted on November 12, 2006 11:52 PM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?
Ok Big East Fan, let me expand my argument by a few words since you obviously don't have the mental capacity to do it.
Florida lost to a ranked team, one out of a few that they play. WVU lost to the ONLY ranked team they played. I can't wait to see these overrated big east teams get crushed in bowl games this year.
Oh and by the way, I liked that amazing offense Louisville had against rutgers in the 2nd half(0 points). That really showed the country how Big East offenses do when they play even a decent defense.
volstrike3 said:
posted on November 13, 2006 1:05 AM — 75.20.190.14 — link — abuse?
Big East Fan,
I hope we see some SEC vs. Big Least match ups during the bowl season. That would be pretty ugly for you. That UConn vs. Pitt game is why people say the big east cannot play defense. You have a few offensive stars but the defensive side of the ball does not stack up.
I know, I know, you are going to say WVA beat GA but anyone who saw that game saw GA outscore WVA 35-10 for the last three quarters. Ga was the better team, they just got shell shocked in the first quarter.
Mooka said:
posted on November 13, 2006 2:26 AM — 68.107.102.29 — link — abuse?
All you Gator fans need to chill out and just worry about not losing another game. USC and ND had a very convincing win this weekend and FLA just looked flat. I think the BCS has it right. You know, Michigan and Ohio face each other soon as do ND and USC. FLA is in the perfect position to compete in the NC this year. Judging how they looked Saturday though I don't know if they deserve it. Forget about any of the Big East teams. Louisville had the best shot at it and they blew it. Good for Rutgers. Their defense looked alot like an SEC style. See what happens when you blitz the QB?
SoonerTaft said:
posted on November 13, 2006 3:43 AM — 64.217.17.244 — link — abuse?
Rediculous. Can you imagine how much more of a mess things would be if OU would have had the W against Oregon? Then we would "technically" be a one loss team. OU would cream Rutgers, Louisville, Auburn, LSU, Boise State. And thats with the loss of a starting qb, heisman rb, and starting wr. I gaurantee we would also take on USC. So if you think your team has it bad, think again. Guess we'll never know. Down with car dealerships, pac 10 officials, and virus containing computers.
Tomcat said:
posted on November 13, 2006 4:12 AM — 68.91.89.54 — link — abuse?
Mr.Mayor is the Planet Moron in California or Oregon.You made mention of the Bay Area?I was there in the early seventies and my only recollection was trying to eat with chopsticks and a swimming pool on top of the Holiday Inn.
What happens when Arkansas beats Florida ?
Cal beats USC-Highly unlikely
USC beats Notre Dame ?
Looks like the Big 10/11 is the conference to be in. Michigan vs Rutgers in the Title Game?
might as well be Rice vs HoustonTomcat said:
posted on November 13, 2006 4:26 AM — 68.91.89.54 — link — abuse?
#13 Big East Fan
Your teams Louisville, W Virg or Rutgers would not have a winning season in a conference like the Big XII. During the Bowl season yall will have your chance against some others.I really dont understand how the Big East is a BCS conference when C-USA and Mt West are not.
Rice Owls, Houston Cougars or TCU would do just fine in your conference. Old SWC teams that dont get the recruits like OU and UT etc.etc.
I personaly like Rutgers, their first win over a ranked opponent in their history.Texas plays ranked opponents several times a year.
Sure Louisville beat K-State so did Baylor
Reality check ?TrojanHorse said:
posted on November 13, 2006 5:56 AM — 69.175.172.117 — link — abuse?
"IF" SC wins out, SC should be in, including conference games, there is one legit patsy on their schedule (Stanford); If Fla wins out, there are 3 certified patsies on their schedule, (UCF, Vanderbilt, and Western Carolina), SoS hands down in SC's favor.
the P10 is rated #1 in SoS as well.
Its a no brainer, SC is in if it wins out. Also this will be a moot point when the Hogs Steamroll UF in the SEC title game anyway
Big East, Hey I hear the 1AA playoffs are coming up soon,maybe you qualify for that, since you played them all non con anyway
This is a Joke, Right said:
posted on November 13, 2006 8:02 AM — 68.46.176.24 — link — abuse?
So K-State beats Texas and your trying to play some game to prove that Louisville isn't any good for doing what Texas couldn't do. I'm sorry Louisville, West Virginia, and Rutgers are all top ten teams. If Rutgers wins out and has a win over then number three and probably then #5, they will easily jump to #2 on SOS.
AllEers said:
posted on November 13, 2006 9:14 AM — 162.129.27.201 — link — abuse?
I love the Big East bashing!
It's all good. We'll just keep winning BCS title games. Talk all you want, but when the money starts trickling over into the Big East conference maybe you'll start to find it a little more difficult to secure all those "blue-chippers".
SEC...stop whining about the Big East SOS and look to the mote in your own eye. Seems to me that no matter the tradition of your storied alma maters, you have the same ability to CHOKE as any other team in the NCAA.
The SEC is a strong conference but their downfall will be the propensity to point fingers at everybody else before addressing their own issues on the field.Luke said:
posted on November 13, 2006 9:44 AM — 64.238.163.229 — link — abuse?
I'm not a texas fan but texas would have beat K-state by a fair margin if their starting qb colt mccoy didn't get injured on the first drive. They were not prepared at all to use Sneed. So stop trying to say Louisville is better because they beat K-State. Most top 20 teams could beat them.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 13, 2006 9:53 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
It's a great day to be a Trojan! Didn't want to be #3 yet though. I knew it would happen - just not this soon. The #3 hole has been bad luck for any team that has occupied it. Hopefully, the Trojans win out and everything becomes a mute point. I see it like this: West Virginia beats Rutgers. LSU beats Arkansas. Arkansas will pound Florida. Ohio State will drill Michigan. USC will hammer both Cal and Notre Dame and finish off UCLA. That's it. It'll be all over and nobody will have anything to bitch about. Oh, I can almost see this one: if Arkansas beats LSU and Florida every SEC fan will call for Arkansas to play for the National Championship over USC (who will be 58-5 in the last five years and has clobbered Arkansas 70-17 and 50-14 in the last two years). Yep, this would qualify Arkansas to take USC's seat at the table. That's about the only thing that I can imagine that may not shake out right.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 13, 2006 10:15 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Mayor:
That roasted Duck under glass tasted mighty yummy! Can't wait to try some Bear! Bring the Bears into the Coliseum, before the Trojans, that we may dine!
In fact we'll be eatin' Bear in two of the next three weeks with some Irish Stew in between. All Trojan fans should get nice and fat over the Holidays! I don't know though - Buckeye don't sound like that good of eatin' - neither does Wolverine for that matter.Tommie Trojan
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 13, 2006 10:18 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Mooka,
Get ready my man - your day is comin'. I am pullin' for the Cats to take down those Hogs though - just to avoid any controversy when the Hogs roll up the Gators. But, as you know, I do beleive that LSU is really the #2 team in the Nation. Had they not lost twice - I would have had no problem with that team playing for all the marbles.
Tommie T
GatorMatt said:
posted on November 13, 2006 10:27 AM — 130.218.254.81 — link — abuse?
Tommie Trojan,
Wow. I usually enjoy reading your posts, b/c they seem to have some logic behind them. You just threw that out the window. Now I would agree, that if USC wins out, they deserve a shot at the title, but to say that since USC beat Arkansas the past two years, is a pretty pi$$ poor arguement. Last time I checked, college football is not played with last years teams. This is made obvious by Penn State (horrible season compared to last year) and Rutgers (great season compared to last years)
GATORGreg said:
posted on November 13, 2006 10:37 AM — 70.152.52.249 — link — abuse?
Trojan Horse...your an idiot if you think that USC schedule doesnt have padded written all over it. Until these next few weeks you havent played anything but garbage teams. Ill give you Arkansas even though they were injured but still, you won. You barely pulled off wins against the Washington teams and then lost to an unranked team team, which again was garbage and you were just trying to pad stats and it backfired. Here is the brunt of your schedule. Try and defend yourself.
Sat, Sep 23rd, 2006 at Arizona
Sat, Sep 30th, 2006 at Washington State
Sat, Oct 7th, 2006 Washington
Sat, Oct 14th, 2006 Arizona State
Sat, Oct 28th, 2006 at Oregon State
Sat, Nov 4th, 2006 at Stanford
gatorhippy said:
posted on November 13, 2006 11:12 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
USC ahead of UF by two hundreths of a point...
UF ahead of ND by three hundreths of a point...
ND ahead of Rutgers by three hundreths of a point...
Rutgers ahead of Arkansas by three hundreths of a point...
Dangerous games ahead for all these teams with possibilities of losses for all of them...
This thing is still WIDE open...
AllEers said:
posted on November 13, 2006 11:12 AM — 162.129.27.201 — link — abuse?
KY NOLE:
I'm assuming you're a UK fan because of your severe dislike for Louisville and general disdain for anything outside the SEC. You need to come to a reality check; UK is a basketball powerhouse, your football team would be a perennial whipping post in the WAC...sorry, deal with it.
All the top of the Big East has had tough times with their programs in the past. They are all busy being proactive doing something about it. If you are a fan of a team that sucks, make noise about bettering your team as opposed to trying to take away the glory of a better team.Rob said:
posted on November 13, 2006 11:24 AM — 24.162.79.202 — link — abuse?
TrojanHorse says "the P10 is rated #1 in SoS as well."
In what poll? Where did that come from? That's laughable.
SoonerTaft says "OU would cream Rutgers, Louisville, Auburn, LSU, Boise State." I don't know about the other 3, but Auburn would manhandle the Sooners, and the last time Oklahoma talked smack about beating LSU...well, we all know what happened then.
Tomcat says "Michigan vs Rutgers in the Title Game? Might as well be Rice vs Houston..." That's the best (and funniest) thing said on here, thus far.
As far as "Strength of Conference" goes, The Big East might as well send an invitation to Stonybrook. They would give Connecticut (a Big East powerhouse) a run for their money...along with Southern Florida.We'll see. I'm out.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 13, 2006 11:32 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Where are all those "War Dayum Eagle" fans? I had them down as one of my four most overrated teams in the country and predicted that they would go down hard! Just didn't know it would be Georgia to spank them. Next are Michigan, Florida and Notre Dame. I suppose Arkansas will be joining the ranks of grossly overrated teams shortly. I think LSU will take care of that.
Tommie T
cardman steve said:
posted on November 13, 2006 11:34 AM — 74.140.229.40 — link — abuse?
come on!!! usc stomps the hogs they should be out of the picture. in fact,all sec out of the picture for the title game. usc as well due to their loss to the beavers. bosie st should be in the picture and the top 3 big east teams as well and the irish should go home along with texas steak. i can,t see the gators beating the hogs,but i can see lsu beating the hogs. alot of football remains. what will you say if that happens in the sec. the winner of the ohio st mich game wins in a rout? cal upsets usc and usc beats the irish? what will you say and s.car was a block field goal away from having this whole mess more of a mess. what teams would play in the title game then?
M GO BLUE said:
posted on November 13, 2006 11:51 AM — 216.46.213.201 — link — abuse?
The Big ten is going to be in the NC,sooo there is only one spot left,and chances are there will be at least three or four one loss teams,so I will be happy if my team(Michigan)get's any BCS bowl!
Michigan is overrated,that's a fact,they only stomped #5 Notre Dame and #9 Wisconsin and if they lose it will be to #1......So should Michigan play in the NC with one loss....NO I just hope "if" Michigan loses(as expected) we still get a BCS bowl,but Michigan does have what it takes to beat Ohio State,but a one loss Michigan has just as much of a argument to play in the championship with one loss. Who else has beaten two top ten teams while only losing to #1????????
GO BLUE!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 13, 2006 11:58 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Diggs:
Tennessee wasn't exactly one of the good defenses in the SEC. In fact, of all the better teams, they were the worst. They supposedly had one of the best offenses though. No, Georgia rolled about 33 on them - and Georgia had really been struggling. Arkansas will not be getting 31 against LSU. They'll do good to get 17. They better hope that they can hold LSU to less than 20.
Tommie T
cardman steve said:
posted on November 13, 2006 11:59 AM — 74.140.229.40 — link — abuse?
the sec fans make me puke up toss grass. you are over rated. usc stomped the best team over their and in their house at that. the gators are living on luck that will run out. it,s lame duck just like the prez,congress and the senate. the big 12 this year. i guess i need some a1 sause for texas steak. baylor,texas tech,kansas st kittens,kitty mizzo as well. give me a break. i won,t jump on a and m but burn out to ou and the pokies let alone sex scandel buffs. back to the sec. come on ,uk is going to a bowl with water down wins. the acc what. the best teams are the top 2 big 10 teams and the top 3 big east teams. sports pundits,poll voters and living in the past is college football. top to bottom and i said it for years. the pac 10 is the most balance league in football and i am a louisville fan but i must say if you want to fair,usc should be left out for their loss to the beavers and bosie st ran wild on the same ballclub. ND should be left out as well for their melt down to mich in their own house.
volstrike3 said:
posted on November 13, 2006 12:04 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
Your right. We did get hammered by Ark. That is what happens in the SEC when you have to play your second string freshman QB. If WVA, U of L or Rutgers had to play LSU and ARK back to back they would be looking at two losses as well. Instead, you get to play one or two decent teams all year while beating up on JV teams for the other 9. We are a little beat up but we will win out and win our bowl game to go 10-3. If we played in a cup cake conference like the big east, we would be undefeated and talking about a national title shot.
Mooka said:
posted on November 13, 2006 12:07 PM — 138.163.0.43 — link — abuse?
Tommie,
Even though you will be looking silly soon (maybe against ND), it's cool you at least know talent when you see it. This is without a doubt the most talented team I have ever seen LSU field and it's a shame I won't get to see them compete in the NC. I pity the team they will face in any bowl. Texas maybe? Your Trojans are looking good, but lets just wait and see what they look like after ND, or even CAL for that matter.
Chris4gators said:
posted on November 13, 2006 1:20 PM — 68.143.231.214 — link — abuse?
Tommie T:
Coulda, shoulda woulda.....FYI, LSU is not even #2 in their own conference. Stand on one leg and drain that flood water out of your ears and open your eyes.Go Gators-Two championships possibly in one year.
Gator Nation baby.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on November 13, 2006 1:26 PM — 68.48.90.67 — link — abuse?
Tommie T:
If your gonna make the point that Tenn. wasn't 1 of the better defenses in the SEC????..... Well then.... I have a case in point also.... So do ya think that Pitt and UConn have the better defenses in the Big East?? Fair enough Tommie?Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 13, 2006 1:53 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Diggs:
Can't say I get your point? What it is? I think that Pitt and Conn aren't even good teams - let alone the 100 points they rolled up the other day. Rutgers has a real good defense and really - Louisville is pretty good also. Maybe South Florida is alright also. I still don't get your point. Tennessee was surrendering 22 per game heading into the Arkansas game. That is not good. Sorry, it's just not.
Tommie T
Cane_Nation said:
posted on November 13, 2006 2:39 PM — 205.166.218.36 — link — abuse?
I hate to break it to everybody out there saying their team is gonna run the table, nobody this year can REALLY guarantee that. There will be a controversy this year because...let me say this really clearly....NOBODY IS THAT GOOD THIS YEAR....that includes OSU and Mich. We have had all time grat teams the past four or five years and got spoiled. We really want to find one this year, but it just ain't out there.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 13, 2006 2:43 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Oh, one other point: RB Jonathan Stewart (heavily recruited by USC) was completely shut down with 14 carriers for 42 yards against the Trojans. I rest my case. Marshawn Lynch gets his turn next week. Let's see how he rolls on the USC defense? And, for all Razorback fans - I'm solidly behind the Mayor on this opinion: your best shot to get USC was in the 1st game after losing all those juniors and seniors to the NFL. Although Arkansas has improved dramatically after that game - they are not the only team that had tremendous upside. In fact, with four straight #1 recruiting classes - USC had the most room for improvment of any team. We will all get to see that come together as this deal plays out. Heck, you might even see that neither Ohio State nor Michigan will really want to win that game. I feel sorry for whichever team does. There I said it: there is a good chance that the Trojans roll-up every team from here on in.
Tommie T
SCBuck said:
posted on November 13, 2006 3:04 PM — 204.116.175.121 — link — abuse?
I have read these blogs (flogs?) since the start of the year. One thing I could say is that they were, as opposed to other blog sites, fairly clean. My son plays Jr. High school football, isn't great, won't play in college, but loves the game and I've loved the Bucks since day 1. He is a Gamecock fan. (born here). A few observations. The SEC is the best conference, in my opinion, because they are the strongest top to bottom and beat the hell out of each other. That doesn't mean their best team could or would beat the best Big ten, Big 12 team, etc. team. It would be ahell of a game and one to see. Now with that said. the BIG EAST is a friggin joke and to top it off after the Goat fuckin mountainqueers and Blewyville Hardons talked trash all year and then got there asses handed to them by others inluding Rutgers, they're back talking smack. YOU SUCK! YOUR TEAMS SUCK! YOUR CONFERENCE SUCKS! EVEN YOUR MOMMA SUCKS. I've tried to be polite and show my son that college football is IT. But you just have to ignore ignorant fans of shitty teams from half ass conferences. WVU, Looserville people! You can not compete with OSU, UM, UT, UScal, UF, can't list them all but I'm sure you get my point. A playoff system will mean one thing: a fast exit for ONE Big Leaster. You see son, THAT'S how it's done.
TBaker said:
posted on November 13, 2006 3:30 PM — 71.1.27.204 — link — abuse?
Luke, think before you blog...you pointed out the Big East showing lack of offense (Louisville scoring 0 pts. 2nd half against Rutgers)...look at you spinning it your way! How about calling it the Big East showing tremendous defense (Rutgers) in the 2nd half of that game. You could go into politics with those spin skills. And as for your prediction of any Big East team getting crushed in bowls by other confs, I refer again to last year's Sugar Bowl (btw Volstrike, if GA was was the better team they'd have won it. The better team wins the game. They even basically had home field advantage...shell shocked my a$$).
shiguy said:
posted on November 13, 2006 3:56 PM — 157.182.42.147 — link — abuse?
i find all this this very humorous. there are people like Tomcat#30 who are saying things like C-usa should take the big east spot (whose current conference leader and expected champ was beaten by a big east team). also that the BE is not worthy at all compared to the acc or sec (o btw wvu spaked umd and look at umd's position in the conference). furthermore i can't believe people are still talking about how this team did this that team did that, shut up....ok go toot your horn to your alumni. who cares how many nat champ this team has, you don't have the same players and in most cases not the same staff either so you really have no advantage at all other then recruiting...o wait that would have only benifited your team in 1985 after they won. about the only teams that can brag about that are teams in the last 5 years that have one something. finally all this talk of the sec havign such wonderfull defense and the BE having none, you know what? who cares! even espn had an article for all you sec'ers out there talking about how offense wins. look at the stats almost all the top 10 teams in offense last year won or at least went to a BCS / late Dec bowl. not to mention that all of the BCS bowl winners were much stronger in their offense than defense. most teams pick which is their focuse, sec is always defense, just looks like it isn't working for you guys lately with the newer spread offense formations. so unless you have something that relates to currently and not to something that some jimbob coach did 20 years ago, stay off the blog!
pip said:
posted on November 13, 2006 4:12 PM — 70.13.250.2 — link — abuse?
as of right now I believe arkansas would beat USC.. but none of that matters because, even though the way we look now from the way we looked the first 3 games is like night and day.. we didn't beat them when it mattered and there are no second chances in football (assuming something crazy doesn't happen and the OSU/Mich. loser gets a remach.. but i don't see that happening.. mostly just talk).. arkansas will win out.. LSU has more TALENT than any team we have faced yet but they don't play together well enough.. arkansas has the talent and is playing like a well oiled machine right now. The only way arkansas gets to the championship game is if Cal beats USC this week.. and every game that arkansas wins big makes USC look better and better unless they become a 2 loss team.
One question.. how do people get off saying arkansas is overrated?.. sure we had a sloppy start this season.. but most people were calling for tennessee to pick us apart with their passing and for their defense to shut down our running game.. neither happened.. granted Ainge would have probably done a little better.. but Dmac wasn't at 100% either AND Crompton proved he can play well the week before against LSU... we've beat 3 ranked teams this season (bama was ranked when we beat them) and one was ranked #2 in pretty much everyones polls at the time.. Arkansas is where it should be.. in the top 10.. and next year we should be ranked top 10 pre-season... welcome to the years of Dmac, Jones, Mustain, Monk and Dick.. we'll be here for a while.
indieguy06 said:
posted on November 13, 2006 5:52 PM — 71.110.221.153 — link — abuse?
Honestly, how good does a young team like USC match up against OSU? Some one break it down, just assuming that both teams win out. They have blown out all of their opponents (except Illinois.) I would rather have the trojans go to the rosebowl then get beat by two or more touchdowns in the NC. I don't think i could handle two lost NC in a row (f-ing Young). I have faith in the Trojans, but i'm not over confident. they will be unstoppable for sure next year. What do you guys think?
Fight on!
BTW Did anyone see what pete carroll said after the play was reveresed for the 3rd time in the Oregon game? Looked across the field and said "f you, f you, f you." Never seen him that pissed, thought it was hilarious. It would've been way better if it was 35-3, so i understood......
So Cal USMC said:
posted on November 13, 2006 6:09 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
The BCS Consensus Ratings (4/6):
1. Michigan
2. Rutgers
3. Ohio St
4. USC
5. Notre Dame
6. Florida
7. Louie
8. Wiscy
9. Arkansas
10. Boise State11. West VU
12. Cal Berkeley
13. LSU
14. Auburn
15. GTech
16. Texas
17. Wake
18. Tennessee
19. Oklahoma
20. Maryland21. Boston C
22. Oregon
23. VTech
24. Penn St
25. Clemson
26. Oregon St
27. Nebraska
28. BYU
29. Washington St
30. Arizona St
31-40. Mizzu, aTm, Navy, Kentucky, UCLA, TCU, Hawaii, Georgia, Arizona, Central MichiganZac said:
posted on November 13, 2006 6:10 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS, UNDENIABLY PREPOSTEROUS, IRREFUTABLY LUDICROUS... Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, you're all a bunch a cry-babies. "My team's not ranked higher than somebody else’s team, boo hoo. Somebody else's team is getting more respect than mine is, ah hagh. My team's not gonna get to play for the national championship, waaaaaaaaaah! Do you even hear yourselves? "My team's better than yours. Oh, yeah, well my conference is better than yours. Oh, yeah, well by daddy can beat up your daddy. Well, my mommy can beat up your daddy..." Geesh, grow up; will ya? Que Sera Sera; what ever will be, will be. And it will keep on being this way until somebody changes it. Div.1 College Football is the only MAJOR collegiate sports program not to have any sort of play-off system. Unless that changes, none of the whining regarding ranking or who will get to play for the championship will stop. Of course, if there is change, we'll all be whining about seeding, brackets, why our team didn't get a 1st round by, why our team didn't make the play-off. But, hey, let’s fix one thing at time. Shall we?
JC in SoCAL said:
posted on November 13, 2006 6:11 PM — 208.57.88.168 — link — abuse?
Tommie Trojan,
I was at the game on Saturday and the Trojan faithful were in full force. What a great atmosphere at the Coliseum. I think everyone is starting to realize that the Trojans are finally clicking on all cylinders. The rush defense is looking better and better every game and Taylor Mays is a complete stud.
I completely agree that USC is be dominate the last remaining games. I do not believe that OSU or Mich has been tested this year. texas was finally exposed for the pharse that they were and Florida will lose in the SEC Championship game.
Arkansas, is a non factor because they have no one to throw the ball. The SEC every week puts the sport of Football back 50 years. I mean c'mon you are going to have to throw the ball more than 10 times a game to win a National Championship. SEC is the most unwatchable conference besides the ACC.Fight on...
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 13, 2006 6:35 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC:
What's the "Clown Speak"? That I think that LSU has more talent than Arkansas does? You'll see that LSU is moving up dramatically in the rankings.
Is it because I think USC could win out over Cal, Notre Dame and UCLA - all at home? We're 55-5 over the last five years including 31 in a row at home. Is it really out of the question? And, if Arkansas is so good as to possibly pound LSU - then how good is USC really (remember 70-17 and 50-14)?
Have we not seen this team peak before at the end (19-0 in November under Carroll)? Is it really "Clown Speak" or probable? Some people think Cal might win - they've already peaked. They've played a couple of "dog games" lately. Notre Dame is improving - but how much? UCLA is improving - but by how much? Are they going to improve by the fifty points that they lost by last year? Really unlikely. I have my bets in. I said we'd run the table after the Oregon State loss. I'm sticking to that because I honestly beleive that is what is going to happen. I see every aspect of that team improving each week. Booty's better. Washington is better. The defense is better. Smith and Jarrett can't get any better. The OL is improving. It's all going to happen. Oregon was a good team. After falling behind Oregon State 33-10 - USC has outscored OSU, Stanford and Oregon 98-10. They have come alive. It's gonna be just like Frankenstein's monster - only this time he doesn't get burned alive in the tower.Tommie T
So Cal USMC said:
posted on November 13, 2006 6:39 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
The Conference Rankings, er Conference Comparisons (after Week 11; Nov. 11 results)...
Sagarin:
1. PAC
2. BEast
3. SEC
4. BTEN
5. ACC
6. XIIMassey-BCS:
1. PAC
2. SEC
3. BEast
4. BTEN
5. ACC
6. XIIAnderson & Hester:
1. PAC
2. BEast
3. SEC
4. BTEN
5. ACC
6. XIIWolfe:
1. BEast
2. PAC
3. SEC
4. BTEN
5. ACC
5. XIIColley Matrix:
1. BEast
2. BTEN
3. SEC
4. PAC
5. ACC
6. XIIBillingsley Report:
1. BTEN
2. BEast
3. SEC
4. PAC
5. ACC
6. XIICollectively...
1. BEast = 1.8
2. PAC = 2.2
3. SEC = 2.8
4. BTEN = 3.2
5. ACC = 5.0
6. XII = 6.0The Mayor said:
posted on November 13, 2006 6:43 PM — 67.174.192.148 — link — abuse?
So Cal,
I think USC is still in 2nd Gear. Our Red Zone performance was terrible. 4 trips = 10 points (that's with a charitable call for the Ducks).
UO had more yards, more time of possession and more first downs. They also had more turnovers (again!!) and most importantly...25 fewer points.
If USC plays to that level and Cal plays the way they did against Oregon, the Men of Troy will not come away with the victory.
I know it's better for the Pac-10 if USC wins, but I will be pulling for Cal. Go Bears!!! Good luck Trojans.
M GO POO said:
posted on November 13, 2006 6:54 PM — 76.176.196.230 — link — abuse?
Everyone that posts comments needs to 'think' before they type. You get so worked-up about what you want to write that you forget to check your words to ensure they make sense...with the exception of the Michigan fans; your stuff makes sense. Must be because Michigan-men are so much smarter than everyone else.
Go Blue!
So Cal USMC said:
posted on November 13, 2006 6:58 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Tommie T,
Its the "if-s", er, the "had they not-s" and the "would have-s".OF COURSE! if things were different, Then THings WOuld be DifFErent!!!
You take things as They Are... The results are the Results, er, Wins and Losses! Its not about Ranking "the Talent" on the teams, its not about how many NFL-Prospects this-or-that team has on their Roster, its about RESULTS, Wins and Losses upon Wins and Losse, and so on, and so on. LSU d-i-d... n-o-t... w-i-n... those games -- and that goes for the rest of the teams that are Over-Ranked by the Polls; Texas, Hawaii, Georgia, TCU. "Potential" and "Margin of Victory" type of stuff is for prognosicating, predicting, which team would/could beat which other team... but in terms of where a team should RANK!, it should be all about ACTUAL RESULTS (wins & losses-based).
Tommie T, you gotta clarify... do you have LSU "Ranked" No. 2 as it stands now ??? And implying everything that goes with it - if the season ended today, would you have a 2-Loss LSU playing in the National Title Game !????? Thats why Im saying 'be careful'.
Rob said:
posted on November 13, 2006 7:20 PM — 24.162.79.202 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC :
Post # 72...
You just helped me make my original point.
Oh, yeah...and I spent 4 years in the Stumps. The rest of you have no idea what that means...I'm quite sure
So Cal USMC does.
And nobody asked, but I went to BU.Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 13, 2006 7:22 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Mayor:
Yeh, didn't you have the rock for something ridiculous like 92 plays? What did you get - 405 yards or something? That is the thing that most impresses me. You got barely over +4 yards per play. It was brutal defense. Oregon did a great job of trying to "grind it out". They just could not make it all the way. Understand, Oregon had the 2nd best defense in terms of yardage allowed in the PAC along with the best offense in terms of scoring and yardage. It stands as a fact that Oregon could control the ball and the clock - which they did. USC still improvised and overcame a very good team that had those stats. Don't underestimate your team. I had Oregon ranked #10 in "pure power" points. Meaning: they were the 10th strongest team in the country.
Now, about Cal. They have a terrible defense - something like 9th in the PAC in terms of yardage allowed. USC will control more of the clock in that game - and Cal will have it less often. What happens then? Do you really think Cal can handle this? Have they ever won a game when all the marbles were on the table? Never! And, they won't do it next week. They'll get stomped. How about Arkansas stomping all over Tennessee who stomped all over California. Let's get it into perspective. USC mauled Arkansas. California stands absolutely no chance of winning that game unless USC throws three picks and drops it four more times. They will not move the ball on USC at all.Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 13, 2006 7:35 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC:
My rankings are for "pure power" points only. LSU would be the 2nd most talented team. No, I would not say they get a title shot because they lost twice. I use my rankings purely as a predictor against the line. They show who has played the most consistantly "strong" for the duration of the season. A loss by three points to a good team is considered much better than a three point win over a lousy team. Therefore, there is no "punishment" in losing to good teams. Now, there is great punishment for losing to bad teams. And, of course, no losses is preferable. But, style points are taken into consideration. That's a double edged sword. Most teams who schedule really bad teams have a hard time beating them by the amount that they are supposed to (maybe because they get alot of 2nd and 3rd stringers in there). This hurts most teams who have scheduled bad teams. On the contrary, teams like LSU, Nebraska and Ohio State, have done really well against real bad teams. Arkansas has not - simply because Arkansas had scheduled some really terrible teams and could not beat them by the predictor. So, this would drop Arkansas standing (that and the big loss to USC). So, Arkansas is really a better team than I might show and LSU might be slightly lower. But, it is based purely for team strength - not who deserves to play for the NC. I cannot account for "team grit" that squeeks out those three point wins. That is where the BCS computers come in. They try and do that. A wake Forest is gonna be ranked higher than I would give them. So is Georgia Tech and Maryland. My system does not reward you at all for squeeking by in games. That is why Michigan, Florida and Notre Dame would be overranked in my book.
Tommie T
So Cal USMC said:
posted on November 13, 2006 7:57 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Tommy, so then do you have a list of Team Rankings? (er, "Rankings" being different than "Power Ratings"). Im talking about which teams have accomplished more, where teams deserve to be 'ranked', etc.
As for predictor/power-ratings type of stuff, I prefer looking at specific matchups. Like in Boxing, "Styles" make Fights. A team like Texas could be had by an Effective Passing game (Texas, suspect Pass-D) and would probably beat even the best 1-dimenial Running team (Texas, Quality Rush-D).
The Mayor said:
posted on November 13, 2006 8:11 PM — 67.174.192.148 — link — abuse?
Tommie and So Cal
...and thanks for the nice words about the Ducks. I just hope we don't go all "Fresno State" on ourselves after last Saturday and lose to the Cats and the Bears.
I am pulling for at least one loss, probably the Beavers as I do not want to go to El Paso. I would prefer SF, Las Vegas or even Hawaii this Bowl Season.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 13, 2006 8:22 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC:
I see no need to rank the same old thing that the BCS already gives us. You got two polls of many peoples opinions with another 3rd consisting of four different computer polls (that would be the least unbiased). That is sufficient for the purposes "of what people think". I don't even care about what I think. I go purely by "the numbers" as a measure of consistancy. As a probability factor against "the spread" and who should win the game.
I use Sagarin's "Ratings" because I feel they are the most elaborate and impartial. They look like what "I might think". Then I have written another "generic program" that downloads all his numbers - and compares them into head to head matchups. The "yardstick" is the comparison of what the best team in the country (currently Ohio State) would have done in that same game. All other teams are deemed "less than Ohio State" currently. Losses are not counted. Only SOS and points for and points against measured against Sagarin's model - which has probably already accounted for yardage for and against. As yardage is a major indicator of overall team strength. Also, Sagarin seems to give credence to who was ranked where, when the two teams played. I don't do that. I consider that depth of a team is very very important. I don't care if your QB got hurt - you should have had another one. In the game - anything can happen and you better be ready to deal with it. Therefore, my ratings are missing the element of how good a team used to be. I'm only concerned with overall team strength. That is what will win out in the end. It is a long season.Tommie T
RUKiddinMe said:
posted on November 13, 2006 8:46 PM — 24.252.206.222 — link — abuse?
Tommy T- Man, what a joke! On "your Pure Power" Where does Oreg. St. rank? Come on man, do u really expect everyone to believe that USC has improved as much as u say in 2, cout back, 2 games? What, persay, did your 2 close games and 1 loss to lesser teams (or were they "under rated" in your book?) expose about USC? To hear you tell it, they (USC) should be handed the NCT because after all, no one can hang!!! Oreg. is over rated in your book and the BCSs book! Fancy, pretty, sparkely numbers look good but will they get u by??? Me Thinks Not! IF USC survives the next couple of games then and only then will they deserve a shot. Good luck, ur gonna need it!
cllgefan said:
posted on November 13, 2006 9:36 PM — 71.255.44.57 — link — abuse?
I hate to diverge from the current argument at hand (which seems to be going nowhere) in hopes of discussing a portion of the BCS that is intriguing. College football is big business, just look at the intensity resulting in these forums. What, if any factor is money playing in the NC determination or in the BCS in general playing? Let's say, just hypothetically that Rutgers meets OSU in the NC game. The PR surrounding the Knights' season is unbelievable, but would that PR maximize revenue, TV ratings, etc. What if Arkansas wins out and plays for the NC? Texas v. USC, Ohio State v. Notre Dame, Michigan v. Florida, etc. The college football hierarchy seems predetermined and would probobly generate the most money. I would like to see some statistics regarding revenue in past BCS bowls and it would be nice to discuss the possibility such earnings could be playing in this discussion. The goal of any business is to maximize profit. I dont see how major tv networks and the NCAA and conferences could be any different. In an ideal world, we could all sit back and enjoy the purest form of the best sport on earth. Take ND for example. I believe Notre Dame to be a good football team and a top twenty five team, but I do not believe they are a top ten BCS team. Notre Dame is still in the running for a NC spot and no matter the outcome will inevitably wind up in a BCS game. Boise State is a very good football team, but because of they lack the aura of other programs, they simply would not generate the revenue that a team like Texas or Notre Dame would. I am tired of the "my dad could beat up your dad" arguments. The top teams in each BCS conference could compete in any other conference, and it isnt worth carrying on this pissing match over. I want to know what you guys think about money and the role it now plays in the BCS
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 13, 2006 10:26 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
RUKiddinMe:
Dude, I thought we settled the fact that you were a moron and that your input into my stuff wouldn't really be required? Did you stop taking your meds? You need to get off the sauce then. I don't know who your team is, and don't care, cause I know they aint no good. But, every Pac-10 team, except Stanford, is rated in the Top 50. If you don't understand what that is - then you need to go back and take a course in NCAA Football 101.
Here's my rankings for this week:
1. Ohio State (11-0) 35.8-7.8 (0.00)
2. U.S.C. (8-1) 32.0-14.8 (-2.44)
3. L.S.U. (8-2) 34.3-10.4 (-3.05)
4. Louisville (8-1) 37.8-16.7 (-3.82)
5. West Virginia (8-1) 40.2-17.4) (-5.85)
6. California (8-2) 34.7-20.1 (-6.01)
7. Texas (9-2) 39.5-18.4 (-6.03)
8. B.Y.U. (8-2) 36.5-13.5 (-8.27)
9. Michigan (11-0) 29.4-12.1 (-8.42)
10. Clemson (8-3) 34.5-13.7 (-8.68)
11. Hawaii (8-2) 48.7-22.6 (-11.24)
12. Florida (9-1) 25.4-13.3 (-11.29)
13. Rutgers (9-0) 29.1-10.9 (-11.82)
14. Oregon (7-3) 33.7-24.0 (-12.01)
15. Wisconsin (10-1) 29.8-12.7 (-12.08)
16. Boise State (10-0) 38.6-17.0 (-12.48)
17. Oklahoma (8-2) 29.8-16.1 (-13.02)
18. Notre Dame (9-1) 32.4-21.6 (-13.65)
19. Nebraska (8-3) 33.6-18.5 (-13.73)
20. Virginia Tech (8-2) 26.8-10.6 (-14.00)
21. Tennessee (7-3) 29.6-21.2 (-14.36)
22. Auburn (9-2) 25.7-13.8 (-15.36)
23. Penn State (7-4) 23.0-14.9 (-15.59)
24. Boston College (8-2) 26.1-14.7 (-15.98)
25. Pittsburgh (6-4) 33.0-18.1 (-16.03)
26. Arkansas (9-1) 30.8-15.6 (-16.46)
27. U.C.L.A. (5-5) 23.5-19.4 (-17.26)
28. Oregon State (6-4) 25.5-20.6 (-17.5)
29. Arizona State (6-4) 28.4-24.7 (-18.78)
30. Missouri (7-3) 29.5-17.7 (-18.94)The number on the far right suggests how much each team would lose to Ohio State by on a neutral field. These rankings are not put here to determine "who deserves" to get their butts kicked in by Ohio State. They are placed here to let you understand how much your team would lose by. And, you can scoff now, but watch what happens as the games play out. Now, these are only season averages. Arkansas, for instance, played horribly early on. They are playing much better now. Florida has played four "bad" games in a row. Boise has played four straight "bad" games. Teams on the rise are Hawaii and BYU. Before you scoff - look at what they are "blowing away" all their opponents by.
Tommie T
The Mayor said:
posted on November 14, 2006 2:00 AM — 67.174.192.148 — link — abuse?
RUKiddinMe
Do you speak English at all? What jibberish. I would take USC,even money, over anyone in the nation right, now on a nuetral sight.
I will still root for the Bears this weekend. My MONEY however; would be on the Trojans over the Bears, Irish, Bruins and Big Blue....or Buckeyes. Look for the Trojans to win the National Championship.
"IF USC survives the next couple of games then and only then will they deserve a shot. " The Trojans have 3 games left RUkittenyourself, not two.
The Mayor said:
posted on November 14, 2006 2:43 AM — 67.174.192.148 — link — abuse?
You want to have some fun, look at this and then call your travel agent:
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/3756322
Interesting projections...especially no Pac 10 Team in The Rose Bowl...barf!!!! Michigan vs. West Virginia oh give me a break.
See you in Las Vegas Cougars!!!
ARK HILLBILLY said:
posted on November 14, 2006 3:26 AM — 70.178.147.205 — link — abuse?
ALL YOU CALIFORNIA FOLKS CRACK ME UP. I AM JSUT A SIMPLE MAN FROM THE ARKANSAS MOUNTAINS. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYONE SO WORKED UP OVER SOME FOOTBALL. I JUST WISH WE HAD A THREE YEAR CONTRACT WITH THE SO-CAL JIMMY HATS. THAT WOULD BE ONE HELL OF A GAME NEXT YEAR.
J THOMAS said:
posted on November 14, 2006 3:33 AM — 70.178.147.205 — link — abuse?
MR TROJAN
YOU KEEP BRINGING UP YOUR TEAMS PAST WINS FROM THE LAST TEN YEARS IN YOUR BLOGS. I DONT GET IT MAN, EVERY YEAR EVERY TEAM MAKES PERSONEL CHANGES. SO EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS UNJUSTIFIED BY YOUR BRINGING UP THE PAST. STICK WITH THE NOW. BUT YOU JUST SEEM LIKE THE TYPE OF CHARACTER THAT I COULD SIT DOWN AND HAVE FEW SIPS OF MOONSHINE WITH, AND ARGUE A FEW FACTS UNTIL THE SUN POPPED UP.bsd987 said:
posted on November 14, 2006 3:53 AM — 128.42.230.123 — link — abuse?
The PAC-10 is #1 in SOS because the teams play 9 conference games a season. While each other conference had to add one additional team last year when the change was made, the PAC-10 did not. This enabled teams to have tougher schedules and skew the ratings slightly. Now, I do believe that the PAC-10 had the toughest schedules anyway, but the race for toughest SOS will be much closer in two or three years.
I'm a lifelong Gator fan and as a Rice student, am in the middle of Big 12 country. The Big 12 is pitiful. A couple people complained about it being underrated, but the conference is nothing short of anemic. 3-9 vs. BCS-conference schools (all wins at home), 2-3 vs. the best non-BCS conference (MWC), 4-10 vs. teams with winning records in 1-A (2 over Sun Belt teams), only Kansas has beaten a BCS school with a winning record (South Florida). It's not even funny.
Now, speaking as a Gator, USC should be ahead of Florida, as should Rutgers and Arkansas. If Arkansas can beat LSU, it will trounce Florida and play for the title after Rutgers, USC, and Notre Dame all lose. If it losses to LSU, then Michigan or West Virginia or someone I'm forgetting will get in.
The SEC isn't pathetic, but it isn't this superconference like most people have claimed it is. If Kentucky beats Tennessee, which borders on likely, it finishes 2nd in the east. No conference deserves accolades after that statements.
USC may deserve to play for the title if it wins out convincingly, which it won't. Notre Dame definitely does not deserve to play for the title because the Irish suck. Florida does not deserve to play for the title. Arkansas, its opener aside as I do believe that that is not an indication of either team, deserves to play for the title if it wins out. But Rutgers holds the power over everyone, deserving to go if it does win out.
In conclusion, Big 12 sucks more than my Gators, who are going to get raped by Arkansas 51-9.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 14, 2006 9:32 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
J Thomas & Mooka:
Mooka: current trends may have LSU taking down Ohio State. OSU started off strong. I can clearly see teams that peaked early on and teams that are falling apart now. Florida is one of those teams. Unless the right their ship - they will lose soon. Same thing happened with the Trojans. They turned it up a notch. LSU started slowly and is building momentum. Nevertheless, I say that two teams can play with Ohio State right now, USC and LSU.
J Thomas: Me and you could certainly put down some "shine". I mention "history" in it's context of continuity. A football program only loses about 25% of it's players each year. 75% of those players are retained. Those players have experience in "Big Games" and winning if the program has won. They also have experience "losing" if the program has lost. The "Cinderella Story" is the great American hope. Sadly, and especially in College Football, it is rarely gonna pan out. The great quality programs are built on a tradition of winning. It takes many quality wins to get to the place where you need to get to. The great Miami, Nebraska and Florida State programs were built on many quality wins over a very long period of time. When those teams stepped onto the field - they were always ready to win (not play). It isn't a great thing for these teams to make it to the "conference championship" or go to the Rose Bowl or win their league. The deal was to win every single game.
Teams like Rutgers and Arkansas do not have this dynamic. They have no recent history. What will happen when the pressure is really on? How bout this? When Rutgers is in the drivers seat and has to travel to West Virginia (no pressure on WV this time), I would assume, that West Virginia beats them by ten points. Why? Because Rutgers was the upstart before. Now, they hold their own destiny in their hands. Do they have that experience? No they don't. It is much harder to stay on top than it is to get there.
Likewise, when Arkansas entertains LSU, the Hogs are finally gonna be playing another team with their same kinda talent. Difference is: LSU has been in many big games in the last few years. All their players have played in many of them.
Now, another dynamic, and I find this very interesting as this has happened in both the ACC and SEC. By playing great teams, the bar is set, and your team will become a better team. Both Arkansas and Hawaii, have played home and home, against USC in the last three years. Look at them now! They are both clobbering teams after USC humiliated them both times. The bar was set. No other team was that tough after that. The ACC have all elivated their level of play to catch up with Florida State, Miami and Virginia Tech. Several SEC are on the rise - most noteable is Arkansas. Many Pac-10 teams are trying to rise to the level of USC. Break out the shine! Personally, it is better for USC if Arkansas keeps winning. Understand this: the more Arkansas wins then the better USC looks. Arkansas cannot catch USC through the computers. USC's SOS increases every time their opponents win games. That is why if USC wins out - they go to the NC. It's scheduling. Pete Carroll has it figured out. We'll play Nebraska again next year when Nebraska is ready to roll. Problem is: Nebraska will get beat by USC and never get on top of them. While Nebraska continues to win - USC's SOS will continue to climb. It's great that Notre Dame keeps winning, cause when they lose to USC, it makes the SOS go thru the roof.
Arkansas scheduled about three "dog games" that could not help them - that's why their ranking is lower than it should be.Tommie T
GatorMatt said:
posted on November 14, 2006 9:40 AM — 130.218.254.81 — link — abuse?
Wow. What's with all the Florida bashing? They've won a few games by close margins, but if memory serves me correct, hasn't USC? And if memory has served me correct again, didn't USC lose to an unranked team? I think I'm correct on that one. Does Florida deserve to play for the NC? Not right now they don't, but there are still 3 games left, and if last week was any indication, upsets are looming. And Tommie Trojan, LSU ranked #3? Where the hell did that come from? And last time I checked, your say has no input on what the rankings show. I mean, it's cool that you have all that time in the world to waste making up your voodoo rankings. No matter what, if things play out in a way that you don't like, you'll find some excuse to try and back up your false claims. Find something better to do with your time bro. Instead of everyone bitching and moaning, why not just sit back and let things play out? God knows what people say on here has absolutely no influence over the games that are played
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 14, 2006 9:55 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Let me clarify something for all Hog fans. Arkansas started out the year horribly losing to USC 14-50 (-43.47), beating Utah State 20-0 (-32.20), Vanderbilt 21-19 (-24.51) and Alabama 24-23 (-25.52). They underachieved in all of these games to the tune of an average of -31.47 per game off of what the TopTeam would have done.
Since that time: Arkansas has one all six games with only a -5.53 rating during that time. This kinda play would put Arkansas up in the Top Five (#5 exactly). So, right now, Arkansas is playing very very well. But, all things combined, Arkansas still averages -16.46 for the season - thus the #26 overall rank. They are a much better team than that.
Let's look at Florida - and this is what is comical to me as these guys continue to climb in the polls. In the last four games Florida is playing at a -20.36 pace. This would not even place them in the Top 40. It is amazing that people do not understand how bad these guys are playing. They lost to Auburn 17-27 (-21.65) and beat Georgia 21-14 (-16.45), Vanderbilt 25-19 (-20.51) and South Carolina 17-16 (-22.85). If this team does not turn it around, then either LSU or Arkansas, is going to pound these guys by around 15-17 points.Tommie T
GATORGreg said:
posted on November 14, 2006 10:06 AM — 70.152.53.129 — link — abuse?
Tommy shut up. Everyone here doesnt want to hear your pro-USC views and degredation of other teams. Your team barely scathed by both Washington teams by less than a touchdown then beat ASU by only a touchdown then you dropped the next game to an unranked Oregon St team. You have only played one ranked opponent prior to this past weekend in which it was a sorry Nebraska team. Dont even try and downplay other teams. Thats cold hard facts for you. So until you get through Cal, ND, and UCLA dont try and throw statistics in peoples faces making it look like you have some unstopable powerhouse on the west coast.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 14, 2006 10:08 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Luke:
Problem with most people is: they only remember the last game that was played. Every game counts for the whole season. Clemson is still 8-3, and has absolutely pounded five different opponents, including Georgia Tech 31-7. They are also the only team to beat Wake Forest, 27-17.
Their three losses were to Boston College (on the road) 33-34, Maryland (home) 12-13 and a very good Virginia Tech 7-24 (away). The Virginia Tech game was their worst. They have played through injuries to their top running back during their recent struggles. When this team is fully healthy - they can destroy many teams. My ratings are based on overall performance, on the field, for all games played. A loss by one point to a good team is better than a +30 point win over a very bad team. SOS is very much figured in.Tommie T
Luke said:
posted on November 14, 2006 10:15 AM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?
You know, LSU is a good team, probably better than USC. But I just don't get why you guys keep talking about how they are arguably the best in the country. I was at the Florida - LSU game and LSU choked. So as far as I'm concerned when the big game is on the line they choke and can't pull off the win, regardless of all the talented athletes they have. I'm gonna have to say arkansas will beat them by one touchdown saturday after one too many LSU turnovers. History repeats itself
Luke said:
posted on November 14, 2006 10:20 AM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?
And also Tommie to count in Florida losing to Auburn 17-27 is a little biased. If you saw the game it was 17-21 and Florida had to do a desperation play on the final play of the game, pretty much handing the ball to auburn after multiple laterals, with auburn simply picking up the dead ball and returning it for another touchdown.
GatorMatt said:
posted on November 14, 2006 10:23 AM — 130.218.254.81 — link — abuse?
Kevin, I was just wondering why my posts aren't being put up? The language is clean, and they abide by the conduct of the comment policy. Please don't post this, but if you could shoot me an email at M_Dub_21@yahoo.com and let me know what the deal is
TBaker said:
posted on November 14, 2006 11:01 AM — 71.1.27.204 — link — abuse?
Regarding post 85...right on, we are glossing over the MONEY quotient. As an alumni of a non-money draw school I know this all to well. To tell me MONEY is not a HUGE factor in how this all pans out is like telling me that all of those Notre Dame players are good Catholic kids. Frankly I think that RU, if they were to go all the way, could have a huge draw as the Cinderalla team...plus give all the non-Buckeye fans (yes, there are some) a team to really get behind.
Jarred said:
posted on November 14, 2006 1:25 PM — 12.178.138.65 — link — abuse?
Ark beat Tenn, Tenn beat Cal, Cal beat Oreg State, Oreg State beat USC, so I guess USC sucks. Come on people this kind of thinking doesn't lead you anywhere. There's a lot more to college football than scoreboards. I guess that's why people hate us SEC guys. It sounds like these people don't know anything about the Ark-Usc game except the final score. Refresher-Halftime it was 16-7 with a field a goal with no time left and Ark's crappy playcalling, without Dick, McFadden played probably shouldn't have. It reminded of the Cotton bowl game agianst Oklahoma. The last two games are probably the best I've seen us play in almost 3 years, we've always had the talent. I was hoping Ainge would play, a win over a down team is nothing to brag about, at the time or a couple of months later. South Carolina is a good team, but some people only understand Ws and Ls. I look for them to give Clemson a good game, if not win.
J THOMAS said:
posted on November 14, 2006 1:48 PM — 70.178.147.205 — link — abuse?
MR TROJAN # 99,
AS FOR WHAT YOU SAID, MAN YOU NEED TO SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT. YOU ARE GETTING WRAPPED UO IN ALL OF THESE STATS AND NUMBERS. SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE GETTING YOURSELF ALL WRAPPED UP IN THESE NUMBERS AND FORGETTING TO ENJOY THE GAME OF FOOTBALL. BUT I DONT THIN ANYONE FROM ARKANSAS IS GOING TO ARGUE WITH YOU, WE DONT CARE ABOUT THESE THINGS, WE LIKE THE GAME OF FOOTBALL. WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE WHERE WE ARE. SO WE HUMBILY APPRECIATE WHERE WE ARE, -5.53 FOR NOW OR 16.46 FOR THE SEASON, DOESNT MATTER TO US. AND IT PROBABLY DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING TO HALF OF THE HOG FANS, SO KEEP SHOOTING THOSE NUMBERS OUT THERE AND SOUNDING SMART, BECAUSE FRANKLY I DONT GIVE A SHIT.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on November 14, 2006 2:44 PM — 216.46.210.13 — link — abuse?
Tommie,I think the way you rank teams is slightly flawed,not because Michigan is #9,but would you pick BYU over Michigan if the game was played at the rosebowl? Or are you just saying BYU stands a better chance of beating OSU than Michigan does? Either way I would disagree that BYU is actually good enough to even touch USC,OSU,or Michigan.
I would agree Michigan has not looked like a top 5 team this year,but they beat #9 Wisconsin and #5 Notre Dame,and even though most peaple hate ND,Michigan did'nt just squeek one out,it was all Michigan,but I will conclude with this: Michigan will do much better against OSU than would BYU and Numbers don't tell you everything.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 14, 2006 2:44 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
GatorGreg:
I'll defend post #39 in this manner: show me where USC plays any OOC games against pathetic teams like this: Southern Mississippi, Central Florida and Western Carolina? I'll bet you can't find any "dog" teams like that on the schedul
Luke said:
posted on November 12, 2006 8:06 PM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?That's insane. USC and Florida both have one loss. USC lost to an unranked team. Florida lost to a top 15 team. USC does not deserve rank 3.