November 26, 2006
BCS Poll 2006 - Week 7
Week 7 Poll of the Bowl Championship Series (11-26-2006)
1. Ohio State
2. USC
3. Michigan
4. Florida
5. LSU
6. Louisville
7. Wisconsin
8. Boise State
9. Arkansas
10. Notre Dame
11. Auburn
12. Oklahoma
13. Rutgers
14. Virginia Tech
15. West Virginia
16. Tennessee
17. Wake Forest
18. California
19. Texas
20. Nebraska
21. Brigham Young
22. Georgia Tech
23. Texas A&M
24. Oregon State
25. Hawaii
Expanded computer rankings
AH RB CM KM JS PW
1. Ohio State 25 25 24 25 25 25
2. Southern Cal 24 23 25 24 23 23
3. Michigan 23 24 22 22 24 24
4. Florida 22 22 23 23 22 22
5. LSU 21 18 20 21 21 21
6. Louisville 20 21 21 17 13 20
7. Wisconsin 12 20 15 13 16 15
8. Boise State 18 17 19 18 20 16
9. Arkansas 15 12 14 20 19 18
10. Notre Dame 17 16 17 16 17 19
11. Auburn 16 11 16 19 18 14
12. Oklahoma 11 15 10 9 9 11
13. Rutgers 19 14 18 12 12 17
14. Virginia Tech 9 19 11 10 7 10
15. West Virginia 10 9 9 8 6 9
16. Tennessee 14 10 12 14 14 13
17. Wake Forest 8 13 8 6 1 6
18. California 13 7 13 15 15 12
19. Texas 7 4 7 0 0 7
20. Nebraska 5 2 4 0 0 1
21. Brigham Young 4 0 6 0 0 4
22. Georgia Tech 2 0 2 0 0 3
23. Texas A&M 3 8 1 0 0 0
24. Oregon State 6 0 5 11 11 5
25. Hawaii 0 1 0 0 0 0
AH - Anderson & Hester
RB - Richard Billingsley
CM - Colley Matrix
KM - Kenneth Massey
JS - Jeff Sagarin
PW - Peter Wolfe
Comments:
badgerballer said:
posted on November 26, 2006 9:57 PM — 67.42.229.186 — link — abuse?
Beg to differ. Though your points are valid, they are not the reason we will not get in. We are not sitting it out b/c of a weak schedule (all you can do it play your games & win them), nor b/c of a loss (there are other teams with a loss, or more, that will play in BCS games).
We're sitting it out b/c the BCS does not allow a conference to have more than two participants in a given year. The real reason is we're being penalized for Michigan and OSU both being strong this year.
GA Boy said:
posted on November 26, 2006 10:03 PM — 66.110.197.20 — link — abuse?
Welcome to the big leagues baby! You gotta win them all or be USC to get in with 1 loss! Go Bruins! I don't think they stand a chance though. Please let the DAWGS get in a bowl game where we don't have to play an ACC or Big 10 team. I want a little of that PAC 1O action! GO DAWGS.
Rich in LA said:
posted on November 26, 2006 10:03 PM — 72.207.224.49 — link — abuse?
Boise State playing in a BCS bowl is bad for two reasons. First, it will be the most boring game after the first quarter. Whoever they play (Texas or Oklahoma?) is going to send them back to Idaho bluer than their field. The ratings will be horrendous. Second, the only winners in this matchup will be Boise "all the way to the bank."
Thomas Murphy said:
posted on November 26, 2006 10:22 PM — 65.151.192.180 — link — abuse?
The BCS is outdated. Giving automatic bids is outdated. For example the ACC Championship game features a #22 Ranked Georgia Tech and a #17 ranked Wake Forest.
The ACC team, Virginia Tech is ranked #14 in the BCS (the are left out of the ACC Championship at 10-2) and will probably move up after next weekend by sitting around doing nothing while watching lesser ranked ACC teams play in the Championship Game.
Go figure.
torgortega said:
posted on November 26, 2006 10:24 PM — 71.82.65.171 — link — abuse?
"Welcome to the big leagues baby! You gotta win them all or be USC to get in with 1 loss!"
Or be Notre Dame and get in only because you guarantee big ticket/travel/merchandise sales. Prepare to see the Fighting Irish get their third loss by 20 or more to a ranked team this season.
Nathaniel said:
posted on November 26, 2006 11:09 PM — 68.105.152.210 — link — abuse?
All I have to say is the BCS is definitely not representative of the best teams in the nation. For one thing, USC only played one team ranked in the top ten, which was Notre Dame, and I'm pretty damn sure they shouldn't have been ranked that high. Check out USC's schedule this year, copy and paste these links,
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/uub/schedule .
Now, look at Notre Dame's schedule. Okay, they had to play Michigan, which who was ranked 11 at the time, but look what happened.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/nnx/schedule .
So, the result of all this crap is USC getting an A+ ranking, as always, because the BCS is all BS, using the opinions of f@#%ing journalists for God sakes!!!
A good example of how the BCS screws good teams over is LSU. Look at their schedule this year!
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/lli/schedule .
They played 4 teams ranked in the top 10 and only lost 2 of them. They beat Arkansas this week which was ranked #5 in the nation. I'm not saying that LSU should go to the BCS championship game, but I don't think USC belongs there. So they only have 1 loss! Big Whoop! Play somebody for God sakes!
If USC wants the National respect that the BCS tries to grant them every year, then they should select a tougher schedule. That's all I'm saying.
-Nathan
bnels said:
posted on November 27, 2006 12:25 AM — 66.17.118.162 — link — abuse?
How does USC leapfrog Michigan. Michigan beat Wisconsin (#7 BCS) and Norte Dame (#10) and loss by 3 points to (#1). USC lost to Oregon State(#24) and beat Cal (#18) and Norte Dame. Weaker PAC 10 gets into the top BCS bid. I personally would like to see Ohio State and Michigan again. I think Michigan is getting rob.
PopsMich said:
posted on November 27, 2006 6:40 AM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
USC is not a lock unless they handily beat UCLA (who get absolutely no respect from anyone). If the Coaches Poll is like the AP, then the Votes are split between Fla and Michigan. An Arkansas win over Fla will make things even tighter between USC and Michigan (from looking at the AP votes).
Amazingly, the computers (above) favor Michigan. Note that if Florida loses the computers will bump Michigan slightly higher, too. The gap isn't as wide as I expected after USC creamed ND.
What if Florida wins? It will help USC if their game with UCLA is tight. Looks like the Fla and Michigan split holds both off from gaining ground for No. 2.
Of course USC can just take care of business and end this all.... (or lose along with Florida and set up THE rematch we all want (right)).
Too bad there is a "National title" at stake. As a fan, I want to see OSU or Michigan play USC, or a Michigan vs Florida or LSU game. Lastly, (should ND get in), I'd love to see them play Boise State.
GATORGreg said:
posted on November 27, 2006 9:53 AM — 70.152.53.129 — link — abuse?
Well the Irish didnt come through AGAIN. Oh well I guess Ill be hoping UCLA will pull off a big one. Was it just me or did Charlie Weiss look like sh*# on Saturday? Did his luggage get lost or does he always look like he just rolled(literally) out of bed???
BYEBYEBowden said:
posted on November 27, 2006 10:24 AM — 168.82.56.100 — link — abuse?
To be fair, let's remember Boise State gave the Hawaii Rainbow warriors (#24) one of the two losses. The other came from Alabama Shula haters so either he defeated a quality Tennessee that had some really bad luck last year and ended the season unranked or he defeated an unranked Hawaii that will probably beat oregon state for an 11th win before the bowl game and end the season ranked. Hopefully Alabama is back in two years... Not next year though because they face my 'Noles and we need all the help we can get as it is!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 27, 2006 10:38 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Nathaniel:
"A good example of how the BCS screws good teams over is LSU. Look at their schedule this year! They played 4 teams ranked in the top 10 and only lost 2 of them. They beat Arkansas this week which was ranked #5 in the nation".
What kinda stuff are you smokin', dude? Can I get some sent my way? Did LSU beat Arkansas anything like 50-14? They only lost to two out of four good teams? USC has only played a ranked team in Notre Dame - yet you count Arkansas? Who are these four ranked teams in the Top Ten? Florida? Overrated (you'll find out this weekend). Auburn? NOT! Overrated. Tennessee is not in the Top Ten. Neither is Auburn. So who? Two? And only lost one! With one more loss to an overranked Auburn team.
I have LSU at #4 and the BCS has them #5. What is your squauck? The highest ranked two loss team in the country. How do you figure they're gettin' the shaft. They'll be going to a BCS game. The team that will get the shaft is Florida if they lose to Arkansas, and rightly so, as they are way overrated. I have never seen a bigger crybaby than Urban Meyer in my life. What a piece of work. He came within one cleat of losing to Florida State - who Wake Forest beat 30-0. What a joke. Arkansas will beat them down. The SEC will end up with two BCS teams, so quit your cryin', that's all your allowed anyway.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 27, 2006 10:44 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
GatorGreg:
Are you announcing a stalemate? I had said that I would not "kick you off the blog" if Arkansas did beat Florida. Are you offering me the same should UCLA somehow beat the Trojans? As far as I know my bet even included pounding Michigan in the Rose Bowl. Looks like we may not be able to keep that promise though. But, it sure looks like Ohio State may be in some trouble come January.
Tommie T
pip said:
posted on November 27, 2006 11:03 AM — 70.232.41.193 — link — abuse?
grr, darn mistakes and a little bad play calling.. the lsu/ar game should have at least been an overtime game! but now on to the future... some pissed off hogs are going to pound some gators this saturday.. so just expect that in your equations for who's going to be in the NC game :P
USC, take care of business, i don't want to see a remach.
GATORGreg said:
posted on November 27, 2006 11:07 AM — 70.152.53.129 — link — abuse?
I thought we were on for Cal beating USC and Florida beating FSU you were gone? But we split because Cal sucks and so does FSU. Now were moving onto bowl games?? My Gators will prevail this weekend, Im not going to jump on the UCLA bandwagon because they are garbage but if you do end up in the NC your beloved condoms dont stand a chance again OSU
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 27, 2006 11:20 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
GatorGreg:
Right after USC had lost to Oregon State, and I was taking a pounding from ya'll, I proclaimed that USC would win out and that would even include beating Michigan in the Rose Bowl. You said you'd take that bet. I countered with Florida has to beat Arkansas in the SEC Championship game. You said: "it's on"! So, you get my point and I get yours. Hope it's a great SEC Championship game and it doesn't matter to me who wins. It might be better for USC if Arkansas wins - but I would rather that the best team represent the SEC in the Sugar Bowl. So, I am impartial to this one. Good luck!
PS - If you can pound them by around 36 points then Florida will deserve to face Ohio State.
Tommie T
volstrike3 said:
posted on November 27, 2006 12:31 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
The limit of 2 teams per conference is BS. Both the SEC and Big 10 deserve to have 3 teams this year. The badgers may be the least deserving of the six but they have had a better season than Notre Dame. The ACC is way down, Clemson and Ga Tech just got beat by second tier unranked SEC teams this weekend. The pac 10, aside from USC is a joke. The pac 10's #2 team, Arizona got thrashed by LSU 45-3. Arizona kicked the field goal in the fourth quarter to avoid the shut out, lol. Boise has not beaten anybody, Hawaii is ranked but they lost to Alabama, a decent team that lost 5 games in the SEC.
Jason said:
posted on November 27, 2006 1:15 PM — 216.185.224.1 — link — abuse?
I want to know how the computers and voters really figure the strength of schedule. The Big 10 has 3 top 10 teams yet everyone says that they are not as strong as they appear. According to something I saw on ESPN over the weekend (before SC and ND) Michigan is said to have the 2nd toughest schedule. How can a conference that is not considered to be that tough have a team with the 2nd toughest schedule in the country.
The BCS system sucks. It is actually ruining the fun of college football competition. I would rather go back to the old traditions of the game and the press could crown a champ than this crap we go through now. It's stupid.
Michigan is no doubt more deserving than any other team in the country to face the Bucks in the NC. I personally don't want that to happen because Ohio State already beat them and they should not have to play them again. I think USC somehow gets favortism and so does ND. But I think that USC right now is the 3rd best team in the country and therefore should play Ohio State in the NC. I also hope that Troy Smith and the rest of the Buckeyes beat the s@#$ out of USC.GO BUCKS!!
M GO BLUE said:
posted on November 27, 2006 1:52 PM — 216.46.208.244 — link — abuse?
Notre Dame,better not accept an invite to the rosebowl,unless they feel like getting stomped again. Oh and by the way Irish JT,I am a Michigan fan and there is no doubt in my mind that we would stomp your pitiful team again!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 27, 2006 2:32 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
M Go Blue:
Yeh, we don't want Michigan to be shafted that bad. Let's just say that USC ends up #2 and Michigan #3. I have never been sold on the idea that we can't have a split championship somehow. Let's just say that USC nips Ohio State. If Michigan "blew out" Notre Dame again - it would not help them at all. But, if it were an SEC team or perhaps Louisville that got a beatdown, then it might be a way better deal for the 3rd place team. I'm am very much in favor of whoever ends up in the Rose Bowl - get's the very best competition to play.
Tommie T
Marko said:
posted on November 27, 2006 3:57 PM — 70.127.205.96 — link — abuse?
Michigan is still the 2nd best team in the country, its only because of pollsters disliking the idea of a rematch that they put them down so far, even behind Florida by some analysts. If Florida loses to Arkansas(which they will) the computer polls for the BCS that favored florida will then favor Michigan, and if USC wins less than impressively at UCLA, we might have a very tight race for #2.
John said:
posted on November 27, 2006 4:05 PM — 70.127.205.96 — link — abuse?
1. Gators are not good enough. I know, I know, they beat this team and beat that team. But they struggled against S. Carolina(which should be counted as a loss) and FSU, and Vandy. Honestly, i'm not impressed with the SEC, yes its a great conference but I dont think they can play with the Big 10 this year.
2. Notre Dame: PLEASE, PLEASE go away, join a conference, stop playing Coast Guard and South Bend High School or SHUT UP! The Fighting Irish are TERRIBLE.
3. USC is only getting points with human polls because of reputation, journalists not liking a rematch and jerks like Boomer Eiasion ranking Michigan at #4 to avoid a rematch.
4. Michigan has a tougher schedule than both Florida, and USC according to the computers so tell me how they can vote them 3rd or 4th with the only loss coming to Ohio State away by 3pts? anything answer will do besides "they had their chance" whining.
GATORGreg said:
posted on November 27, 2006 4:22 PM — 70.152.53.129 — link — abuse?
John your an idiot if you think Michigan and/or OSU have had a tough schedule. Both have played only 2 ranked opponents 1 of which was each other. Michigan beat a crappy ND team and OSU beat a even crappier Texas squad.
You are just like everyone else wanting teams to win by 1000 points to be considered good. Florida doesnt win big and never will but still get the job done every week. Why cant that ever be good enough? If your gonna throw close games as losses go ahead and chalk 2 losses up for USC or chalk 2 losses up for Rutgers. See the thing is, is that if one team has more points than the other its a Win and you cant consider those losses. Just wait till this weekend when we win the SEC championship, I will then be going around expecting lots of ass kissing! :thumbup:
John said:
posted on November 27, 2006 4:46 PM — 70.127.205.96 — link — abuse?
I HOPE the Gators play Michigan or even Wisconsin to put this argument to rest.
Fact is, Florida is just not GOOD enough to compete against the Big 10. If you think that the Gators wins over Spurrier, FSU and Vandy are satisfactory enough to challenge a top tier team, you're crazy. In fact, I am confident that Arkansas is going to rout Florida by 20 points.
John said:
posted on November 27, 2006 4:51 PM — 70.127.205.96 — link — abuse?
Michigan beat ND(#10) and Wisconsin(#7) and only lost to OSU by 3pts AWAY.
OSU beat Texas, Michigan, and Arkansas.
Florida: Loss to Auburn, beat LSU and who else in the top 25?? Western Central North Carolina? or what about your impressive wins against Vanderbilt, FSU, and S. Carolina?? Stay in the south and play Jacksonville High School next year so you dont get embarrassed against a top notch program.
Luke said:
posted on November 27, 2006 5:16 PM — 209.251.132.34 — link — abuse?
Haha poor John you are an idiot. Not only will Florida not lose by 20 points to arkansas, they have about a 50-50 chance of beating them. Do you forget that Florida beat LSU which beat arkansas in a home game for arkansas just last weekend?
And what idiotic logic to consider a close game a loss. Hell less just say Michigan beat ohio state then, I mean they did only lose by 3 points after all. Retard.
I hope the gators play michigan too, let's see michigan play against a better defense than they've seen in the past few years. I don't want to see a gators vs wisconsin game the gators would blow them out by halftime.
Lastly, how about wins over rank 5 LSU, rank 16 Tennessee, and rank 9 Arkansas is we win saturday? Sounds satisfactory enough to me to challenge a top tier team.volstrike3 said:
posted on November 27, 2006 5:20 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
John,
First, Florida deserves to be in the National Title game if they beat Arkansas. This Florida team is a lot like the OSU team that beat Miami for the National Title in 2002. Great defense and enough offense. I know Michigan has great defensive stats but when you give up 42 to OSU and 26 to Ball State(Who?), your not a good defensive team.
If Fla doesn't get in the NC game, I would love to see them agaist Michigan. The Big 10, or should I say big 2 little 9, is down this year. Over half of your conference is under .500. They way UM plays agaist the run, you better hope you do not get matched up with Arkansas. D Mac might run for 300 yards if you tackle they way you did against OSU.
Luke said:
posted on November 27, 2006 6:27 PM — 209.251.132.34 — link — abuse?
Here goes to your SOS of ohio and michigan john:
Team A
Has played 7 Bowl Teams with a combined record of 59-20
Rest of the teams played (or will play) have a combined record of 17-50Team B
Has played 10 Bowl Teams with a combined record of 74-37
Rest of the teams played (or will play) have a combined record of 6-17Team C
Has played 7 Bowl Teams with a combined record of 59-22
Rest of the teams played (or will play) have a combined record of 21-38Team D
Has played 10 Bowl Teams with a combined record of 76-36
Rest of the teams played (or will play) have a combined record of 9-26
Team E
Has played 7 Bowl Teams with a combined record of 60-20
Rest of the teams played (or will play) have a combined record of 14-41The Teams are as follows:
Team A = Arkansas
Team B = USC
Team C = Michigan
Team D = Florida
Team E = Notre DameBTW Ohio State has done the following:
Has played 7 Bowl Teams with a combined record of 52-29
Rest of the teams played (or will play) have a combined record of 18-41PopsMich said:
posted on November 27, 2006 6:33 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
To Urban Meyer (..and GATOR, and Luke...)
Take care of business first, then pop off.(BIG) IF you win Saturday, then we can argue about your accomplishments. One positive for UM if USC goes to NC, we'll maybe see UF in the Rose Bowl. That would settle this ('til next year).
PopsMich said:
posted on November 27, 2006 6:45 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Luke, nice stats....ya know what they say about stats, right?
So a little more: Calculate the win/loss ratio of the Bowl teams you faced (a measure of quality, not quantity). Florida doesn't look so good anymore, and USC looks even worse...ahead of only.....ND....and....OSU (worst). No surprise about SOS to me (or the people in Little Rock that scheduled USC).
Ah, statistics....(btw, play somebody next year, and maybe more than 4 road games, too).
PopsMich said:
posted on November 27, 2006 6:55 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Oh and another thing about Urban's gripes:
When Florida loses to Arkansas, I doubt that he'll say Auburn deserves the BCS bid ahead of UF or LSU.
Deserving? heck Auburn beat both UF and LSU, but they're not going to a BCS bowl unless they jump LSU without either team playing this week.
CW said:
posted on November 27, 2006 7:08 PM — 66.226.52.20 — link — abuse?
BCS RIP OFF:
Once again we see that the bowl schedule will be based upon $! USC (West Coast) will end up playing for yet another unearned title. Here in the South East we laugh because it is unlikely they could play hard enough to beat WFU. Ohio State / Mich is an OK match up. But Rutgers? Ha! Reminds me of last year's hipe on Fresno WHO??? Please! When ESPN states that the only game USC (at California) prepares for is ASU (West)? Which ranks up there with ASU of the East (Appalachian State). It's a real shame to see teams in the SEC play each other week after week...the strongest conference, toughest teams in constant trench warfare... hoping to have enough players at the end of the season to meet the rest of the US. Only since they lose a game or two or even three... (really you could be in last place & still beat most anyone!) they are out of the BCS! And watch as the trojans play northwestern or the mallards play the nifty lions or some othe boy scout team for a championship! I wish current NFL players would pick the top 25 teams! But that want happen since the SEC leads in drafts picks each year since 1991!!!!!!!terzo22 said:
posted on November 27, 2006 7:41 PM — 65.80.241.30 — link — abuse?
Maybe he meant that when Ohio St. beats USC it will be like they beat the Razorbacks also, since USC dismantled them. I love circular logic, although I guess that's not really circular logic. Is it even logical? I guess circular logic is more like saying Michigan only lost to OSU by three making them very impressive then saying Ohio St. beat Michigan by three making them too very impressive.
One other thought,
A lot of people are bashing ND and want to keep them excluded from the BCS bowls. This is just a thought but maybe they just got beat by teams they were supposed to get beat by. USC and Michigan this year and Ohio St. the end of last season are there losses. That’s losses to number 1, 2, and 3 maybe they are 4. For some reason I would like to see them vs. a SEC opponent preferably Florida (if they lose to Arkansas). I’m thinking this way because I truly think the SEC is way overrated this year, they think because they beat up on each other that make’s it a tough conference. Yeah tough for THEM, what quality wins do their top tier teams have against OOC opponents? I’m sure the Canadian Football League is tough, for the people that play in it. My point is just because your conference works itself over it shouldn’t be misconstrued for strength or that you can hang with anyone else in the country. I’m hoping ND gets a shot at a SEC team and whoops them. What could they possibly say then?
Jake Fegan said:
posted on November 27, 2006 8:57 PM — 68.185.100.17 — link — abuse?
Hey CW post #40:
You make no sense. First off, I hate USC, so I have no incentive to talk them up.
You sing the praises of the SEC. Yet, their likely CONFERENCE CHAMPION (Arkansas) was CRUSHED by USC. Another USC non-conference opponent, Nebraska, is playing for the Big XII title, and their other non-conference opponent, Notre Dame, while I think is overrated, is still a top 20 team. Three non-conference games, three top-20 teams, three victories.
Now lets take a look at the SEC: ARKANSAS: Four non-conference games: USC, Utah State, Southeast Missouri State, and Louisiana Monroe.
FLORIDA: Central Florida, Western Carolina, and Florida State. (Granted you can't blame Florida for FSU sucking, but Western Carolina?
LSU (who I think is the class of the SEC): Lousiana Lafayette, Tulane, and Fresno State.
I don't want to go on on any longer...
SEC fans love to say that they schedule non-conference cupcakes because their conference schedule is so brutal. You know what? Most conferences are brutal. If you want to schedule cupcakes out of conference, then you better go undefeated, otherwise, you are on the outside looking in.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 27, 2006 10:24 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Horn4Life: I thought we'd give Texas more last year, too. I think Ohio State is in that kinda catagory. We'll see.
Terzo22: Yeh, I think that Notre Dame happened to run into three teams that were really hot when it happened. But, that is why you don't play weak teams getting ready for these kinda games.
GoodOlNuma5: I guess the dude can't see. He could have probably made the mistake of thinking that Indiana's uniforms might look like Arkansas. But, how on earth did he miss the part about: Indiana never runs and Arkansas never passes. That is kinda hard to miss.
Tommie T
terzo22 said:
posted on November 27, 2006 10:28 PM — 65.80.235.75 — link — abuse?
Yeah a Texas win on the road is a hell of a lot more impressive than anything a team from the SEC has come up with in their out of conference play.
Yeah we beat Michigan at home, are you down playing that win? Please let me know of a more impressive win by a SEC team? Besides all that junk, you could argue Ohio St. Schedule was weak, but that doesn’t matter. OSU didn’t leave it up to strength of schedule, they simply we undefeated. Enough said.
terzo22 said:
posted on November 27, 2006 10:37 PM — 65.80.235.75 — link — abuse?
rukiddenme,
One other thing, I never claimed the Big Ten to be the best conference. The SEC puts the target on their back when it comes to criticism by claiming they are the best year in and year out. I'm just arguing to the contrary.
smilesid said:
posted on November 27, 2006 10:44 PM — 71.36.8.226 — link — abuse?
Rich in LA's remarks are revealing. Yes, the BCS conferences don't like upstarts like Boise State crashing their "club." It's all about the money. The big schools have multi-million dollar budgets, and we all know the story about the rich getting richer.
Rich, this is America. We are all about the unknown school taking on the heavyweight, and winning! Trust me, should that happen your precious ratings will be through the roof.
I say give the Broncos their due--they earned it.
And if I were Nebraska or Okie, I'd pay attention. BSU has nothing to lose, and they didn't win 59 games with mirrors. They've only lost five games in three years. They've got a big o-line, an all-star running back, and a senior corps of solid defense, quarterback, and receivers. Nope, none of the Broncos drive Hummers or wear oversize gold chains. But they can play ball.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 27, 2006 11:21 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Here's my list for this week. USC is closing fast - may even overtake Ohio State after next week.
1. Ohio State (12-0)
2. U.S.C. (10-1) -0.34
3. Louisville (10-1) -3.46
4. L.S.U. (10-2) -3.85
5. California (8-3) -5.39
6. Michigan (11-1) -7.17
7. West Virginia (9-2) -7.64
8. Texas (9-3) -7.86
9. Florida (11-1) -9.05
10. B.Y.U. (10-2) -9.90
11. Boise State (12-0) -10.27
12. Hawaii (10-2) -10.32
13. Clemson (8-4) -10.75
14. Tennessee (9-3) -11.47
15. Oklahoma (10-2) -12.17
16. Virginia Tech (10-2) -12.74
17. Wisconsin (11-1) -13.02
18. Rutgers (10-1) -13.33
19. Auburn (10-2) -13.45
20. Nebraska (9-3) -13.56
21. Notre Dame (10-2) -13.70
22. Oregon (7-5) -13.78
23. Arkansas (10-2) -14.19
24. U.C.L.A. (6-5) -15.08
25. South Carolina (7-5) -15.38
26. Oregon State (8-4) -15.56
27. Penn State (8-4) -16.54
28. T.C.U. (9-2) -16.86
29. Boston College (9-3) -17.13
30. Arizona State (7-5) -17.40Now, remember, these are "pure power rankings" only. They have nothing to do with what I think. The number to the right indicates how much each team would have lost to Ohio State, on average, each and every week this year.
Tommie T
cardfan-in-Oklahoma said:
posted on November 27, 2006 11:58 PM — 70.233.146.167 — link — abuse?
All you fans of:
Ohio St,USC,Florida,LSU,Michagan
or ANY other teams better hope you don't see the LOUISVILLE CARDINALS in a bowl game!
SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GET STOMPED!!!!!!
MARK MY WORDS!!!
LOUISVILLE...THE BEST... ONE LOSS TEAM IN THE COUNTRY!!!Desperate mwc fan said:
posted on November 28, 2006 4:37 AM — 70.180.128.53 — link — abuse?
Once again the SEC BS is on the loose. It has always been a discrace how voters in the S.E. have overrated the SEC. The age old, Let's rank as many teams as high as possible so that as we go thru the schedule we can say " hey " team so & so should be #1 or #2 because of all the ranked teams they beat. Alabama is a perfect example. Why should of Alabama ever had a ranking this year. What about Georgia's top ten ranking early in the season. Is there one person on this site that thought Georgia at anytime this year ever looked like a top ten team. Auburn has been blown out " twice " at home. I can't recall in the last 25 years a top ten team that has been destroyed twice in a season on thier home turf. This constant pre-season over ranking of SEC teams has become so pathetic that I feel embarrased for how desperate SEC fans are to win. It's as if they can say we are the best that some how they now have some personal value.
how gross.GATORGreg said:
posted on November 28, 2006 9:04 AM — 70.152.52.108 — link — abuse?
Desperate MWC,
The reason why SEC teams are ranked so high is because they are good teams. Georgia went to the BCS game last year and played WVU only to fall apart in the end. Them making the bowl game just like every other BCS team last year is ranked high coming into the new season....welcome to College football.
Alabamas highest ranking was 22, this again was because of their success last year.They havent donw well this year because they are really young and have been severely injured. Georgia is a good team but havent been able to find their feet until about 3 weeks ago. I'm not really following their "abusrd" ranking that you talk about. They started at 14 and worked their way up to as high as 7 until they lost to a ranked Tenn. squad. They proved themselves at Auburn and then again beating up on Gtech. So whats your logic in bashing them.
As for Auburn, theyve lost to a good Arkansas team(SEC West Champ) and Georgia. For OOC scheduling, the SEC needs to do a better job but what conference doesnt. The Big 12 sure as hell pad their stats with cupcake teams and so does the Pac-10 both in-conference and OOC. Their can only be SO many "good" teams in this nation so the inverse of this is these teams play crappy teams because thats all they can do.
Someone else mentioned Florida playing Western Car. This was an aweful choice of teams to play but Florida had no other option. Once the decision came down that there would be an extra game, all teams had already been schedule and this was THE ONLY team Florida had left to choose from unless they gave up their by week before Georgia. A bad decision but nothing else could be done.
To touch on some other so called "crappy sec teams" People really need to keep their upset eyes on Kentucky and Vandy. Those are 2 SEC squads that are really starting to put things together and give alot of people headaches. They have a bad rep from their past but are emerging as well rounded teams.
Marko said:
posted on November 28, 2006 9:54 AM — 70.127.205.96 — link — abuse?
Louisville? Do they even have a defense? Big East is the most overrated conference there is.
Tommie Trojan, those are ridiculous stats. Michigan is the 2nd best team in the country hands down. If they beat the Buckeyes(at home i may add) you guys would be screaming that OSU would deserve a rematch. USC is going to get beat up and down the field and throw egg on the face of all the pollsters.
CW said:
posted on November 28, 2006 10:27 AM — 204.84.232.251 — link — abuse?
Well I’ve read the ridiculous statements above... but again it's the same old boring expositions! The Big Ten is only the Big 2... since the 1960's. The Pac whatever?? Is ... I don't know something of a myth. When I watched ESPN state that the only team that offers much of a threat to USCC (meaning USC Calf) is ASU (West). That makes us all laugh! Arkansas is in the SEC but only by proxy. Occasionally they can pull off an upset?? Or catch a SEC team weakened by injury (such as this year). However, their reality is something close to a Texas or Oklahoma. USCC beat Ark as we all thought! How could you loose when the only team you play is ASU (west)? Listen if Alabama (this year even) was in the pac they would always be the BCS contender! They would have no competition... no LSU, GA, FL, Tenn, OLE Miss etc, to play week after week? Just ASU (West)! Wow! How many injured players would be on their sidelines come bowl time?? None! As a side note ... I'm not a SEC grad... I'm from the ACC! WFU in particular. WFU has a chance to be in the Orange Bowl (If it happens I'll be there), however, Wake will win in a bowl as long as they play someone from anywhere but the SEC (historically). That should send a clear message to all you Pac rats. We know here in the South that WFU would stand a much better chance playing say ... USC (west) than FL. Again the NFL should have a part in bowl picking... since they are the ultimate proof of "dominant teams / conferences." The SEC has led in the # of draft picks since 1991 and even then they were beaten in the 80's only twice by the Big Ten. I guess that’s why they have the BCS to at least make the Pac and Big East feel a little important
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 28, 2006 10:35 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Cardfan in Oklahoma:
Calm down! Your team has never beaten any team recognized as a "National Power" while they were ranked in the Top Five. I currently do have Louisville ranked #3 - but, I have no proof that they really are. I can only say that they have "blown away" the crappy teams that they have played by the amount of points that they are supposed to do it by. That is the only thing that gets you the ranking. You have never beaten anybody of any significance while they were significant. A big win over a so-so Oregon State or Miami team does not cut it. Your probably gonna get to play a good team in the Bowls, so maybe you ought to keep quite, until you guys actually win a real game. Remember, the rest of us were not real impressed, with the way that Rutgers handled Louisville. And, if you really can't get by Rutgers, you have no business talkin' down the "Major Football Power's" like Ohio State, Michigan, LSU, Florida and USC. You aint in that league yet and none of these teams would "fear Louisville". They would all probably fear that their uniforms might no get cleaned in time rather than meeting the Cards on the field.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 28, 2006 12:03 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Marko:
Those are not ridiculous stats. They absolutely represent how much under Ohio State each team has performed based on Jeff Sagarin's ratings - which are fair. Now, they do not represent how often the reserves were allowed to play, for instance. Michigan may have gotten into alot of situations where they "let off" in games. I would not argue that these are true representations of who is #1 or #2 or whatever. For instance, one thing that I notice to be true, is that it is much easier to build up "style points" against weaker competition. Some teams do not choose to do that. USC for instance - rarely pounds in that last TD in the 4th quarter. And, I am sure that a team like Michigan would also demenstrate that kinda class. Again, these numbers are not put out to make a claim as to who is better. For instance, Clemson with four losses, is ranked rather high. It means they can "blow out" a weak opponent but can't win a close game. I throw these out as a means to measure the "rating" against the "odds" or "betting line" if you will". Clearly, as you detract for losses and who is not eligible, Michigan moves up higher on the list of BCS competitors. To make the statement that "Ohio State will beat USC up and down the field" just shows your ignorance of all things that pertain to college football. It will be Ohio State's 1st time in this game for awhile. It will be USC's 4th straight time playing for a National Championship. I'm still gonna have to go with that experience. And, nobody has beaten USC by more than three points in six years. It will take a heck of a game by Ohio State to win by three. You clearly have not watched USC play - or you don't understand what your looking at when you see it. I have watched Michigan and Ohio State. I do know that Ohio State's receivers are not going to be "wide open" all over the field. I also know that they are not gonna want to catch it even if they are. That is because they are going to get "drilled" every time. More passes are simply dropped against USC than any other team. And, if Troy Smith doesn't absolutely "thread the needle" - then Ohio State is gonna be in big trouble. Also, Ohio State has not faced a defensive line and linebackers and safeties, like they will against USC. Sorry, Michigan's defense was horrible. We'll see Marko. So far, this USC team is reaching the computer rankings of all the other teams and has surpassed the 2002,2003 and 2005 versions. So, Ohio State does not have a cakewalk on their hands. When Pete Carroll makes the claim, "This quite possibly may be my best team", you better understand what that means. He is not setting himself up to ever look like a fool or a failure. Charlie Weis was makin' excuses going into the game with USC. Pete Carroll is not doing that. In fact he said yesterday about the UCLA game: "We are not done. We have more to do". So, good luck, Big Ten fans! You are really gonna need it. Catchin' Notre Dame early is not quite like catchin' them late. And, everybody else understands that.
Tommie T
pip said:
posted on November 28, 2006 12:04 PM — 70.232.41.193 — link — abuse?
I do love how SEC haters like talking about some of the cupcake games but fail to mention UT beating Cal or Georgia beating Georgia tech. I'm not here to start the fight up, I want to end it. We all have our opinions and that's all they are right now. Well know after the bowl games if the SEC is as strong as we say it is or not and we'll also know who has bragging rights till the next year.. so lets talk about something else :)
Tommie, how does USC stack up vs. UCLA
Wow, did anyone see how high a 2 loss LSU jumped? when the Hogs pound Florida this Saturday (I'm a Razorback florida.. don't overreact)how high could LSU move up? and where would a win over Florida put AR in the rankings?
IF florida wins.. would it be enough to move them into the national spotlight? or would they still fall short of USC? (I'm thinking they would fall short)
you see, i think we might just be able to have civil conversation on this board :P (nah, probably not.. but it's a thought :)
Scott 51 said:
posted on November 28, 2006 12:41 PM — 216.135.81.2 — link — abuse?
Tommie T,
Who are you supposed to be? Some all-knowing, all-powerful expert on all things pertaining to college football? I haven't seen the latest "National Power" or "Major Football Power" rankings lately, but I'd like to know where to find them.
See, where you end up at the end of the season isn't supposed to be based on history and tradition - it's supposed to be about current performance, I can't knock USC for what they've done this year, but Louisville's "crappy" schedule included 8 teams (4 out of conference) that are projected to go bowling this year.Of course, if you want to play the "strength of schedule" game, we can do that all day.
Whether you want to admit it or not, Louisville, West Virginia and Rutgers have all performed like "Major Football Powers" this year. And that's not just me talking, that's the polls.
By the way, most Louisville fans have already forgotten about our Oregon State game last year. Must be painful for you to bring it up, though.
PopsMich said:
posted on November 28, 2006 1:06 PM — 149.173.6.51 — link — abuse?
Whoa Tommie T: You're getting ahead of yourself.
1. Beat UCLA (no problem, right?)
2. Get a TIVO of the OSU/Michigan game. You're forgetting coaching as an aspect of all of this.OSU called a brilliant offensive first half. They took a top rated defense (front 7 or 8) and spread them out to the flats. Then they streched 'em with Ginn, and then hit the gut for 2 big runs. Awesome play calling, where Michigan's 2nd half adjustments were too late to overcome a 14 point 1/2 time lead.
Note, NOBODY has stopped Michigan's "O" this year, except themselves and the coaches easing up. We lost a shoot out (not our game).
OSU has offensive coordinators that came on board with Tressel six years ago. They have NFL experience and from what I've witnessed are the best at game planning. Lastly, OSU has the skilled players to make plays (especially at wide out where USC is VERY vulnerable).
Now, I hope I'm wrong and USC takes them down. Its wwwaaaaaayyyyy too early to start popping off. For example, if UCLA plays you close - then you may not even get in (believe it and check the votes and computer rankings above).
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 28, 2006 1:08 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Scott51:
Bozo, check out my post #53. You'll see that I have Louisville ranked #3 in the country on SOS and "style points". All I'm saying yahoo, is that Louisville or any other BE team, has not played any of the "traditional powers" (who are having good years this year) - therefore making it difficult to gauge where the programs are really at. And, beating Miami this year for instance, does not tell us much. The West Virginia win was nice - but West Virginia has not played another Top BCS team from OOC either. In fact, no BE team has played a Top Team from OOC. That is why nobody wants to rank these teams higher. My ranking of Louisville #3 and West Virginia at #7 are the highest you will find. I get crap from other people over this BTW. So, don't come spewin' forth your idiocy toward me. Save it for someone who is convinced that the BE sucks - I am not one of them.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 28, 2006 1:22 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Pip:
Here's is how it will go down. Karl Dorrell and UCLA will have spent two weeks preparing to stop USC's passing game. They are absolutely convinced that their defensive line is so great that they can stop the running backs at USC. They will prepare to "make USC run the ball". They feel that Jarrett and Smith will kill them - so they will resort to stopping the passing game.
Unless I miss my guess - USC will prepare exactly opposite of what UCLA has in mind. USC will prepare to run the ball. They will not pass it at all early in the game. They "will stick it down UCLA's throat". UCLA will not be prepared for this kind of tactic and will absolutely panic when USC starts to rip off huge runs. This will open up the passing game and USC will absolutely demoralize this team this weekend. This is all about recruiting. Forget about the National Championship. This game is all about the "beatdown" - and UCLA is definately in for a heavy spankin'. These foolish UCLA fans out here are preparin' all these parties all over town for "the great upset". Puleeeeaaazzzze! This game is gonna make everybody look silly.Tommie T
Scott 51 said:
posted on November 28, 2006 1:28 PM — 216.135.81.2 — link — abuse?
Tommie T,
Now, now Tommie. let's not go calling people names. My post had nothing to do with your personal rankings and everything to do with your comment that Louisville fans should keep quiet until we "actually" win a real game.
We've already done that. And we'd have a lot more chances to do it if some of those "top" out of conference teams would be willing to put us on their schedules. (Trust me, we've tried.)
Meantime, we'll have to wait for the bowl season and hope we do see one of those teams.
volstrike3 said:
posted on November 28, 2006 2:17 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
Terzo22,
The SEC does play some cupcakes but you forgot to mention a few games.
The wins:UT vs. CAL 35-18 (and it was not even that close, UT pulls starters in 3 quarter w/ score 35-0.)
LSU vs. Arizona 45-3 (pac 10 team kicks FG in 4th quarter to avoid the shut out).
Auburn vs. WSU 40-14 (WSU gave USC quite a game)
Ga vs. Ga Tech (our #7 team beats the possible ACC champ?)
South Carolina vs. Clemson (our #8 team knocks off a ranked ACC club)The losses:
Vandy @ Michigan 7-27 (20 point loss is bad but better than ND did vs. Michigan)
Ark vs. USC 50-14 (No excuses, bad loss but Ark has turned it around and played very well).Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 28, 2006 2:24 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Scott51:
I understand that Louisville has steadily stepped up their schedule in recent years with impressive wins over Oregon State, Boise State (if I'm not mistaken) and Miami this year. In Louisville's defense - it is not Louisville's fault that Miami had to pick this year to fall apart (although Louisville's 31-7 beatdown mat have contributed). In fact Miami lost several close games, and other than the beatdown by Louisville, lost no other game by more than 10 points. In fact, Miami played seven pretty good teams, and faired far worse against Louisville than any other. So, I'm sure that Miami would be certain that Louisville was the best team that they played.
But, the loss to Rutgers was a complete meltdown in the 2nd half, and was very very ugly. Most voters will remember that game more than any other. I don't. I look at the overall numbers for all games played. That is what my numbers represent - not just one silly loss. A few fumbles, a few interceotions, and wella you've lost two games. It's all about when they come. What if a team had only six turnovers all year - but they came in back to back games? Well, that team might lose two games. What if another team had twelve but only one in each game? They may not lose any. Who's the better team really? I say that it is the team that only had six all year. Point is: there are lots of intangibles in trying to figure out who the best teams really are.Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 28, 2006 2:31 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
PopsMich:
I get your point - but you've got some wrong information. Try not to believe all the hype. Ohio State does not have the best wideouts in the country - USC does! We also have the best wide receiver in Dwayne Jarrett. Sorry, Teddy Ginn is not the man. Nobody can stop Dwayne Jarrett. Sorry dude, it isn't ever gonna happen. You got everything all mixed up. Ohio State is the team that is gonna have problems defending receivers.
Tommie T
S said:
posted on November 28, 2006 2:48 PM — 207.104.226.129 — link — abuse?
--This is a long post, but has good information. If you don’t like reading (which would be interesting if you are on this site), then scroll down.--
Wow, you guys simply amaze me. I have been reading Fanblogs pretty religiously for about 3 months and besides the fact that I think it is an awesome site (nice concept, Kevin), you all have to open up your eyes.
Everyone is biased towards their team. Understand that fact when you read someone’s post. Let's be a little more mature than just spouting off without having fact to back it up. I hate reading comments that are purely opinion because honestly, no one on this site is an expert, even those who provide great “in-depth” analysis and rankings based on some other set of rankings. The “SEC is best” and “USC is going to pound _____-team” and “Michigan is so deserving” comments are getting old. Let’s get some new commentary, please.
Now, my post is simple. Please, everyone remember, that when you criticize strength of schedule, you have to take into account a few things: (1) most college football programs’ schedules are set years before they actually occur. (2) With all of the coaching changes year-in and year-out, it is hard for any school or conference, which has seen a lot of change, to automatically rise back to some sort of prominence they once had or even rise to a level they have never been at (good example, Nebraska has been going through some growing pains during the last five years but it wasn’t too long ago that they were definitely a scary team to play for anyone—remember they were National Champions in ’94 & ’95, and they somewhat split ’97 with Michigan). (3) Preseason rankings are ultimately very biased towards the last season’s results (for obvious reasons) but are produced because they want to give people like us something to talk about in August – it’s a moneymaker, people, remember that.
To illustrate my point, I will use a team that everyone loves to hate or at least on this site they do, except for Tommie Trojan and a couple others – which by the way, I have to give it to you, Tommie, for all of the trash-talk you take, you continually have a good attitude, which is key. There has been a lot of trash-talking on USC, which is understandable since they have been on ESPN constantly for a few years now, so I thought I would check out their schedule from the past few years and look ahead a few years. A simple exercise to educate myself and not spout off later without actually knowing what they’ve done – I suggest anyone do this if they like criticizing Strength of Schedule (SOS). Now, all knowledgeable sports fans know who is in the Pac10 and we also know that that isn’t about to change anytime soon, so let’s look at what USC can change from year-to-year, their Out of Conference (OOC) schedule.
2002: Auburn, Colorado, Kansas State, Notre Dame
2003: Auburn, BYU, Hawaii, Notre Dame
2004: Virginia Tech, Colorado State, BYU, Notre Dame
2005: Hawaii, Arkansas, Notre Dame, Fresno State
2006*: Arkansas, Nebraska, Notre Dame
2007: Idaho, Nebraska, Notre Dame
2008: TBA, Ohio State, Notre Dame
2009: San Jose State, Ohio State, Notre Dame*From 2006 on, the schedules increase from 11 to 12 games and the Pac10 Conference decided that each team would play every team in the conference, reducing the OOC games from 4 to 3.
Now, I am not a USC fan by any means, but I am pretty sure that at least every year since 2002 and through 2009, they played/will be playing a decent-to-tough OOC schedule. Keep in mind that a lot of the OOC series teams sign up for are home-home games meaning, Team A would play Team B two years in a row. In fact, all of these teams are NCAA Division 1-A schools. If you want to dismiss WAC schools like Hawaii, Fresno State, San Jose State, and Idaho (they most likely schedule these because it is easy on their travel budget…everything comes down to money), then I would suggest that anyone who has ever played Louisiana Tech should do the same (there goes Nebraska and Clemson in 2006 and Florida in 2005, for example).
This is not meant to say that USC is deserving of a birth in this bowl or that game, I am just simply illustrating that when you criticize a team’s strength of schedule, look at it first. I’m pretty sure any reasonable, educated college football fan can see that USC is doing what it can to schedule some great match-ups. I’m not saying other teams are bad – the only reason I picked this school is that it seemed to be the most hated and it is easier for me to just do one school – but any school that plays decent OOC opponents, which aside from Notre Dame, Navy, Army, and Temple is the only thing that usually changes from year-to-year, and wins definitely deserves some respect, so please just remember that when you post.
PopsMich said:
posted on November 28, 2006 3:13 PM — 149.173.6.51 — link — abuse?
Tommie T:
Its the spreading to the flats (all 4 wideouts) that made life easy for OSU. I hope you can man up, or bump/run because we proved a cushion isn't the way.USC and Jarrett are more vertical. I'd love to see UM play USC, since your vertical style plays right into Michigan's hands (front 7 heat).
Also, your QB looks like he is easily rattled (2nd 1/2 of ND game). Believe me, OSU is bringing the heat....you better come up with an answer, because USC will NOT run the ball against OSU the way Michigan did.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 28, 2006 4:05 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
PopsMich:
I don't expect for the USC offense to win the game. I think it will be tough that way. I expect for the defense to totally overwhelm Ohio State. Yes, Booty seems to get rattled - but it is not that severe. He has always bounced back. We have a good OL - so, Ohio State will not be all over our QB.
Tommie T
So Cal USMC said:
posted on November 28, 2006 4:07 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Marko, about the Big East being over-rated... not This Season. Take a closer look at what all the Confs have done this season, overall -- the ACC and the XII are WORSE! which makes the Big East at least a decent BCS Conference this particular season (things vary from season to season). The Big East has been solid, so far this season... the Bowl results may change things a bit, but not extrememly.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on November 28, 2006 4:24 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Irish, Quinn is not the "best athlete". How do you mean that, anyway? Besides having to be a Senior QB, whats the criteria/wording for the Unitas award exactly? I dont doubt that Quinn will win something... but he's not the best athlete.
(ei, the Heisman is awarded to 'the most Outstanding Player')So Cal USMC said:
posted on November 28, 2006 4:47 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
RU Kid, in case you missed my respond on the other Blog Posts 319 on "BCS Poll- Week 6"...
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RUKiddinMe says:
posted on November 27SowhatCalUS post315-Being a "stupid person #3" as good as it may sound, does have its downfalls! In the future, could u please respond sooner? It took me alot of scrollin back up to figure out what in the hell u were even responding to! Post # or somthing would help out lots! BTW Im 30, is everyone on here older than 60 or what! Ill poke fun at ya alil later, dont take it so hard its only a game remember!(since 02 what SEC teams did USC even play?)
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RU Kid, I was refering to any of your posts, none inparticular... did you scroll back and find one where you were Not doing your usual "Trolling" ???BTW, Im younger than you, but I dont know what that has to do with you being Lame...
RU Kid, "Im this many"... "I poke fun"...(And you cant even remember as far back as a couple of months ago, USC 50-Arkansas 14? Is there anything you do know? This is why generic trash-talk is so lame... RU Kid get better at it or shut up).
scarletavenger47 said:
posted on November 28, 2006 5:38 PM — 70.177.227.36 — link — abuse?
I love to watch all of you fellas banter. I of course was terribly wrong with my predictions this past weekend, but the bottom line is that it really doesn't matter. lsu, MICHIGAN, usc, florida...
They will all lose to this Buckeye team.
Ever since watching Woody back in the shoe in the 70's this is the best Buckeye team that I have seen period.
Let's face it. The score of the OSU / MU game wasn't nearly as close as the score was. Tressel is 3-0 at Arizona (and a 5 time national champ I might add).
My pick is that USC will be the contest, and trust me that the OSU coaching staff already has a week (+) advantage working on the Trojan game plan.
Due to the fact that i watched many a USC team beat Ohio State in so many rose Bowls in the past I can't help but despise them. With that being said I look forward to "crushing" them this year, and hopefully (if the BCS does it right) Michigan kicking Florida right in the nuts, and Wisconsin running the ball right down LSU's throat.
Peace out...my smack talking bretheren!
So Cal USMC said:
posted on November 28, 2006 5:38 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
CW = delusional
This guy says Ohio St-Michigan is an "OK match up"... Oh, its just "OK". Wow what praise, you sure youre not going too far with that? What are youre fellow delusional hypsters gonna say?
He says SEC teams play each other "week after week" -- Moron, ALL the Conferneces Do! (meanwhile Alabama is techincally a "bowl team" having faced Old Miss, Monroe, Old Miss State, Duke, Florida International, Vanderbilt... "Week after Week" right?)
The kiss of death, he brings up "draft picks"... This is about College Football, Fugk the NFL.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on November 28, 2006 5:56 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Jake Fegan, your right, CW is a cupcake.
CW, the SEC has been the Big NONE recently... even if Florida beats Arky, this is gonna be the SECOND time in 3 years that a big bad scary SEC "Champ" gets ASSED-OUT of a shot at the Title. Not even an Undefeated SEC team was GOOD ENOUGH a couple of years ago... self-inventory time CW, or keep on crying to yourselves in the SEC.
If Alabama was what?!?!@# LOLOLA Holy sh!t thats ha-larious... I didnt even read this before I posted #76 where I mentioned Alabama! Post 59 CW says "if Alabama (this year even) was in the pac they would always be the BCS contender!"
volstrike3 said:
posted on November 28, 2006 6:03 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC,
Your forgot to mention that Alabama played several ranked teams including LSU, Arkansas, Florida, Tennessee, Auburn and Hawaii.
Say what you want to say, The SEC has 5 teams in the top 25 (3 in the top 10) and two teams (Georgia and S Carolina) that just beat the two of the 3 best teams in the ACC.
You lose your credibility when you cherry pick facts.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 28, 2006 6:07 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
ScarletAvenger47:
Great Post! It's fantastic that you can make mention why you "hate the Trojans" - because of all of the beatings that they gave the Buckeyes under Woody. Now, I like that. That is brutal honesty. So, hate whoever you like: but it's refreshing to hear the reason.
Now, remember this: Woody came in with some really fabulous teams. Do you remember who those Buckeye players were? I do. And they were far better than these guys are. You don't have any Archie Griffin's, John Brockington's or Pete Johnson's or even a Leo Hayden for that matter. You don't have a Cornelius Green or Rex Kern at the helm. And, you don't have any of those monstrous offensive linemen either. And, for sure, you don't have any Jack Tatum's or Jim Stillwagon's or Tom Cousineau's.
But, we got a whole team full of Ronnie Lott's and Richard Wood's and Junior Seau's. You guys are in "BIG TROUBLE". You heard it here. You couldn't beat us with all those great Ohio State players from "yesterlore" - how in the heck do you think you are gonna beat this generation of Trojans?Tommie T
posted on November 28, 2006 6:26 PM — link — abuse?Jeff Quinton said:
Tommie,
If they had Woody he could just punch anybody from your team who made big plays a la the 1978 Gator Bowl.Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 28, 2006 6:58 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Jeff:
Good one. Jack Tatum had nothin' on Woody Hayes. I remember it well. It was Clemson - wasn't it. It would be like Jarrett runnin' away from the defenders and Tressel runnin' out to make the "clothesline tackle". I think there is a penalty now for "high head hits" though. They'd probably have to penalize Tressel for fifteen and an automatic 1st down.
Tommie T
Jake Fegan said:
posted on November 28, 2006 9:54 PM — 68.185.100.17 — link — abuse?
Sometimes, the best team doesn't necessarily play the toughest schedule. Anyone who doesn't think that Ohio State, regardless of their schedule, is not worthy of playing for the national championshipm, is an absolute idiot.
Jake Fegan said:
posted on November 28, 2006 10:26 PM — 68.185.100.17 — link — abuse?
Tommie Trojan:
Pigs will fly before USC will overtake tOSU in the top spot in the BCS rankings, not that it is relevant because it will be decided on Jan 8th, with the 2 best big game coaches in college football going to head to head.
..except that Jim Tressel never went for it on 4th and 1 in the 4th quarter of the title game with a lead.
You guys are dumb said:
posted on November 28, 2006 10:26 PM — 71.244.49.192 — link — abuse?
reading this blog is so frusterating.....
to put Wisconsin as a great win for michigan just bewilders me. Wisconsin played one ranked team all year and they lost. Their non conference consisted of Bowling green, san diego state, and buffalo.... give me a break play someone decent.
Michigan non conference- Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Central Michigan, and an 8 point win to ball state.... wow with all those power houses how are they not the consensus number 2
USC non conference- Arkansas who will win the SEC championship this week, Nebraska who reached the Big 12 championship, and ND who is michigans best win
Florida non conference- Florida state, central florida, Southern miss, and WESTERN CAROLINA-what a power house.....
How the conference does is out of the teams control but who they play non conference is in their own hands and USC went out and played the best of the best. As an arkansas fan i witnessed the beat down they put on us the first week of the season in person. I dislike USC as much as the next fan but its time to give them some credit they diserve it if they make it through that schedule with only one loss.
End of story
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 28, 2006 10:42 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Jake Fegan:
Last year against UCLA, we went for it on 4th and 10 four different times, and made it all four times. Final Score: USC 66 UCLA 19. Watch the game this Saturday and you'll get a better idea of what your in for.
Tommie T
Desperate mwc fan said:
posted on November 29, 2006 8:54 AM — 70.180.128.53 — link — abuse?
Volstrike, I watched the SEC kick three pac-10 teams rear ends this season-no doubt. But as a fan of quite possibly the worst program in college football ( UNLV )I've had to get my kicks
by watching other conf.s to at least feel like I'm seeing real football, and during these last 10-15 years I've seen plenty of PAC-10 teams take it to the SEC. It was very recent that I watched USC home/home take it to Auburn and Arkansas. I remember UCLA taking to Alabama home/home. In fact I do beleive over the last ten years head to head the PAC-10 is over .500 against the SEC. It seems to me that the home team generally wins in these match-ups with the PAC-10 having an edge on neutral sites. I think the SEC is one hell of a conf., but I don't think It has much on the PAC-10. Tenn. whipping Cal at home and Auburn sticking to Wash. St. at home was no more impressive than USC whipping Arkansas at home or UCLA pounding Alabama at home. When It comes to draft picks The PAC-10 has just as many players drafted per capita (10 teams) to the SEC's (12 teams). If someone from the PAC-10 tells me It's better than the SEC I'm not buying it. But I"m also not buying that the SEC is that much better than the PAC-10. Having said that, I don't for a second think Alabama is better than say a UCLA but Alabama has been at least ranked during the season and UCLA has not. That's the constant crap we get in the polls every year with SEC teams. UCLA has not ever been deserving of a ranking, but neither has Alabama. From a neutral fans perspective I will say that most PAC-10 games are more entertaining to watch.FSU fan said:
posted on November 29, 2006 9:07 AM — 70.180.128.53 — link — abuse?
Jim Tressel never had to go for it on 4th & 1. He just used the officials to make a phantom call for him. I'd rather lose the way USC did than win with that bogus call. Some people lose with respect, others like to win however they get it. Jim Tressel is glad to be back in a title game to try and win one ligitimitly so he doesn't have to live with the " gimmie ".
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 29, 2006 9:08 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
OU Fan:
I'm just fortunate enough to have a great job! I can make lots of money in four hours and fool around the rest of the day. Fortunately, where I work is one of the few places in the world where we are overstaffed, and not understaffed. Guess that might mean we'll be goin' out of business soon. Hope it's not till after the NC Championship game though. Good luck in one of the greatest games ever. I have missed that rivalry. Oklahoma/Nebraska has been a great one and I expect another great game this week. I hope both teams get back on top.
Tommie T
Buckeye Sparks said:
posted on November 29, 2006 10:19 AM — 66.145.249.87 — link — abuse?
FSU fan, (#94)
Why is it that only those in Florida still cry about the 2002 National Championship game?
I have yet to see or hear any thing from any other part of the country complaining or have such an outcry concerning this.
As compared to this years Oklahoma vs. Oregon game.
According to these articles, the right call was made.
http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/6483719
http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?page=ESPN100_15
To save you sometime, here is a quote from one of them; “Big 12 commissioner Kevin Weiberg said game films had been reviewed and that, in fact, Porter had made the right call.”
Read them and weep, then get over it!
Besides, what about the “no call pass interference” when Gamble got mugged trying to catch a pass on Ohio States last drive?
OSU should have been able to run the clock out.
End of game period!
Buckeye Sparks said:
posted on November 29, 2006 11:04 AM — 66.145.249.87 — link — abuse?
FSU Fan (#94)
Besides his 2002 National Championship at Ohio State, Jim Tressel has four, count them “4” National Championships at Youngstown State (Division 1-AA).
Which by the way, does have a playoff system.
I think winning titles at both these levels, is an impressive accomplishment!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 29, 2006 12:12 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Buckeye Sparks:
Just thought I would look up Tressel's records at Youngstown State. It's very interesting to me in regard to all of the coaches that get fired after four years.
Tressel's record at Youngstown:
1986 2-9
1987 8-4
1988 4-7 (should have been fired here...pun)
1989 9-4Tressel was only 23-24 in his 1st four years at Youngstown State. Take away the 1989 campaign and he was 14-20 in his 1st three years. Today's common logic of AD's across the country would have caused Tressel to lose his job here.
1990-94 61-9-2 (with three NC's)
1995 3-8 (probably should have been fired again)
1996-00 48-15 (with one more NC)Pretty impressive. But, the guy needed to get a chance to get going and it took a few years. Had he been canned in 1995 - Youngstown would have lost out on many more wins and another National Championship. Just goes to show, that if his AD had given up on him (like so many others feel compelled to do), then Jim Tressel may not even be considered the great coach that he is today. Let's hope that Mike Shula, Larry Coker and all of the other coaches who have been canned after brief stints get another chance.
Tommie T
Jake Fegan said:
posted on November 29, 2006 12:32 PM — 63.85.198.34 — link — abuse?
Post #96 -- you are exactly right about the lack of a pass interference call on Ohio State's last drive in regulation in the National Championship game. If the refs make the right call, it's first down Ohio State and the Buckeyes run out the clock. Period.
posted on November 29, 2006 4:03 PM — 150.176.192.1 — link — abuse?
Wisconsing fans: Yeah the limit suck, but the rules were states at the start. You want to be in the BCS, at least you sould finish in the top 2 in your conference.
Boise: Don't over look Boise. Unless they play one of the top 4 teams, I will pick Boise to win, blue turf or not. Especially against Oklahoma.
#2 spot: How does a team whose only loss was a close game at the #1 team in the nations field fall behind a team that lost to someone not even in the top 25? I am talking about Michigan and USC regardless of the UCLA game. Ok, lets look at common opponents... Notre Dame... Can anyone explain this to me?
M GO BLUE said:
posted on November 29, 2006 5:03 PM — 216.46.213.94 — link — abuse?
Ben,it's like this,because Michigan did not beat Ohio State,most people think they should not get a chance to win the National Championship,of course they say Michigan had their chance....chance of what? you mean their chance to beat OSU? Yes they had their chance to beat OSU,but they will not get a chance to play for THE National Title. Actually it will turn out fine because it gives OSU and Michigan a chance to both win their last game,so I guess I am OK with it.
GO BLUE and buck'sTommie Trojan said:
posted on November 29, 2006 5:21 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
M GO BLUE:
"of course they say Michigan had their chance....chance of what? you mean their chance to beat OSU? Yes they had their chance to beat OSU,but they will not get a chance to play for THE National Title".
What part of playing Ohio State was not your chance to play for the National Title? That's funny. For some godforsaken reason: Ohio State is playing for the National Title. Any idea what might have prevented that from happening? I know: USC should have either lost or been voted out. Poor little Michigan had no say in the matter. Your a BIG JOKE!
Tommie T
TrojanHorse said:
posted on November 29, 2006 5:28 PM — 132.228.195.207 — link — abuse?
How anyone can even put Wisconsin in the same sentence with USC, UM, UF, UL, and even most two loss teams is beyond me.
Wisconsin's played a glorified mid major schedule. Lets start with the Big Ten:
Two great teams: UM/OSU - they didn't play OSU and lost to UM
Two > 500 teams besides the Badgers in PSU and Purdon't - PSU's marquee win was over Purdon't and PU's marquee win was over a 6-6 Minnesota team. No other team was over 500 in the conference. The UW non con was nothing short of embarrassing. The damn Globetrotters wouldn't take that type of schedule. There are 30 teams in the country that could have gone 11-1 with that schedule. This team doesn't even belong in the Crap One bowl
gatorhippy said:
posted on November 29, 2006 5:41 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
But don't you see, Tom...
The contest between OSU & Mich was a regular season conference game...
Technically having nothing to do with winning the National Title...
This is what the BCS has come to...
It actually shrinks the importance of conferences as a whole and actually overemphasizes the regular season as a "from scratch playoff"...
Because of this some teams are out of it before the season even starts regardless of what their record is at the end of the season...
If this was pre-BCS and Bowl Coalition, Michigan at #3 right now would be in the thick of the NC talk with a legitimate chance of coming out of it with a consensus or split title if the cards fell the right way...
Just say "yes" to playoffs...
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 29, 2006 5:54 PM — 64.32.153.19 —
badgerballer said:
posted on November 26, 2006 9:05 PM — 67.42.229.186 — link — abuse?How bad does it suck being a Wisconsin fan this year? We're going to have to sit by and watch at least 3, more likely 4 to 6 teams - that are behind us in the BCS poll - leap frog over us & go to BCS games (and get that BCS cash). While we sit it out, all b/c of some STUPID conference representation limit rule.
Boise?
This blows.