December 2, 2006
Who should be #2?
With Southern Cal losing to UCLA, the question for college football is: Who's #2? Which team deserves the shot to beat Ohio State for the National Championship? Michigan? Florida?
Let the debate begin!
Comments:
PopsMich said:
posted on December 2, 2006 9:56 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Man, if only exams at a University had questions this easy......UM, of course. What crap, SEC Championship game my a*&&%$.
Both teams in SEC Chump game tried giving it away, and Arkansas succeeded. UF's tough struggle against a 2 loss team today, and their defeat by a 2 loss team in the season seals their fate. Can you say Suger Bowl?
Everyone knows that UM whipped ND in South Bend, and lost by 3 in Columbus. Now they'll get it done in Glendale, a less friendly confine for OSU, and with a surface worthy of playing on.
Apex2winz said:
posted on December 2, 2006 9:59 PM — 68.107.65.241 — link — abuse?
How can a team play 13 games and say that that they should play in the BCS championship. If this is the case should the other teams in the other conferences that don't play 13 games play against a cup cake team like central florida just to bloster there record have a ligitimate chance at the BCS.
posted on December 2, 2006 10:01 PM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue said:
Brian Cook @ Michigan Fanhouse -> Florida Doesn't Deserve Glendale No Matter What
scarletavenger47 said:
posted on December 2, 2006 10:03 PM — 70.177.227.36 — link — abuse?
Ok,
I'll be the first to petition for FLorida to play Ohio State. Bulletized format to follow:
- Michigan is the (next) best team in the land. Period... They are the true #2 team.
- Michigan lost "the game". If ohio State would have lost the game, I would have to take it on the chin. It's tradition and that's the way it is. Tradition guys... we can't break it.
- Another team has to have thier shot. Otherwise we as BIG 10 Fans will never hear the end of the BCS BS. For example; if Michigan beats Ohio State the argument will always be there... think about it (One and One this year vs. the rival).
- I propose that the SEC champs play Ohio State, and USC gets a bid to the rose bowl to get worked by Michigan.
We cannot play again... Bo and Woody I believe would see it that way too.
V/R
SA
C-DOGG said:
posted on December 2, 2006 10:04 PM — 76.188.148.131 — link — abuse?
Oh boy let the MEANINGLESS stats begin. Florida Fan Quote: "Our SOS is blah, blah, blah," vs. Michigan fan quote:" We beat the team, that beat the team, that Vanderbilt played, that loss to the team, that beat the team, who lost to the team, that beat the team..."
HERE IS THE TRUTH FROM A FAN THAT IS NEITHER A GATOR OR MICHIGAN FAN.
On a neutral field, Michigan would beat Florida. Now let's see if the polls prove that tomorrow.
Regan said:
posted on December 2, 2006 10:05 PM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
FLORIDA.
(Sorry, fellow 'Canes...)
Compare schedules. For every close Florida game, they still didn't come close to losing to BALL STATE on their home field.
Florida had to go through a great Arkansas team to win the SEC Championship.
Enough of the Midwest Overhype. (You can download Michigan - Ohio State classics on iTunes, for cryin' out loud...)
Give someone else a shot at Ohio State. Michigan blew theirs...
TennVols2007 said:
posted on December 2, 2006 10:08 PM — 68.78.42.63 — link — abuse?
Florida, why would we want to watch a game that has already been played? Michigan had their chance and they blew it, we will never know how good Michigan OR Ohio State is without playing someone outside of their own conference in the time that everyone is meant to play non traditional matchups.... Bowl Season.....
goodolnuma5 said:
posted on December 2, 2006 10:14 PM — 24.208.149.244 — link — abuse?
I wish I could be objective being a Buckeye fan, but Ill take anybody other than Mich. Sorry Tommy, you guys never, ever blow up a rival like you guys did last year. By the way, I won 50 bucks off that game today. Vegas you suck!
sheccs said:
posted on December 2, 2006 10:15 PM — 74.119.11.114 — link — abuse?
Michigan, hands down.
Why? Because they were #2 coming in, and Florida certainly does not deserve to jump them based on their win over a team who basically has no quarterback, and whose star running back was at 70% because of an injury (and they still had a tough time).
Put it this way - home field is commonly known to be worth 3 points. Michigan lost by 3 at Ohio State, meaning a tie, or even match on a neutral field. Now, if Ohio State is #1, how could Michigan not be #2? They can't.
Luke said:
posted on December 2, 2006 10:23 PM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?
Florida, no doubt about it.
Answer this, who has michigan played except for Ohio State (loss) and Notre dame?? Michigan LOST to the number 1 team, Florida has not played the number 1 team. Give florida a shot. Florida's total offense is ranked higher than michigan and florida's points allowed per game is ranked higher than michigan
scarletavenger47 said:
posted on December 2, 2006 10:27 PM — 70.177.227.36 — link — abuse?
RE: post #6.
I'm for Florida playing the Buckeyes...
The Big 10 conference championship has been played, and it's someone else's turn.
Go Bucks
Go Michigan...Beat USC ( I love the rivalry, and I love the game )
V/R SA
Randy said:
posted on December 2, 2006 10:29 PM — 69.19.14.15 — link — abuse?
Doug you mentioned that Arkansas lost to USC by 50 but you failed to mention that USC lost to an unranked team.
Looks like Arkansas got better as the season went on and USC got worse.
I say give Florida a chance. We've already seen the other two teams play.
Gator Boys said:
posted on December 2, 2006 10:32 PM — 64.238.162.154 — link — abuse?
UF has looked bad a lot this season, but they always (but once) win. Michigan had their chance to win. It was "win and your in" and they lost...I know they lost to OSU, a good team, but we really dont know how good OSU/Mich are since they havent played a tough schedule. Look at ND and Texas... Very disappointing years. Michigan doesnt have the winning attitude/spirt UF has. If you dont wanna look at it, just look at record and SOS. UF 12-1 Mich 11-1 and we all know UF had a harder schedule
Willie said:
posted on December 2, 2006 10:37 PM — 209.214.101.202 — link — abuse?
Florida! It makes for common sense. I do NOT want to watch a repeat performance. And how is it that every other team that occupied the #2 ranking and lost fell lower in the poll but not Michigan. They were still ranked in the top three. Go figure.
Regan said:
posted on December 2, 2006 10:49 PM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
sheccs (#13):
I CALL BIAS.
Everyone outside of Ann Arbor knows that Michigan was 10 points behind Ohio State for most of the game and got lucky turnovers that made the score closer.
FLORIDA played a much tougher schedule. Period-Dot:
Michigan Games vs. +.500 teams:
#1 Ohio State (12-0) (L)
#7 Wisconsin (11-1) (W)
#12 Notre Dame (10-2) (W)
Penn State (8-4) (W)
Central Michigan (9-4) (W)FIVE.
Florida Games vs. +.500 teams:
#11 Auburn (10-2) (L)
#5 Louisiana State (10-2) (W)
#8 Arkansas (10-3) (W)
#17 Tennessee (9-3) (W)
Georgia (8-4) (W)
South Carolina (7-5) (W)
Kentucky (7-5) (W)
Southern Miss (8-5) (W)EIGHT.
5
FLORIDA was one of the best two teams in their conference; they played the other in the final game of their regular season and WON.
MICHIGAN was one of the best two teams in their conference; they played the other in the final game of their regular season and LOST.
And lastly, as far as the 'home field = 3 points logic and Michigan lost by 3', I will respond by this:LOSERS KEEP TRACK OF HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE.
WINNERS KEEP TRACK OF WINS AND LOSSES.THIS IS COLLEGE FOOTBALL. WIN OR GO HOME.
Michigan played Ohio State. They LOST. It's someone else's turn...
D R said:
posted on December 2, 2006 10:49 PM — 70.127.137.180 — link — abuse?
Florida vs. Mighigan
Well, Michigan only lost 1 game to Ohio State the # 1 team... but Florida has one loss against the toughest schedule. So if a team plays a bunch of not so good teams and one really good team does that make them good because they lost to that good team? But you could say Florida almost lost to South Colina. They needed a high jumping defensive end to block a kick to win. So saying Michigan needed a safety to break up a pass so they wouldn't lose to Ball State is the same. We could go back and forth all day.
Take the blinders off... What's the best part about Bowl Games? You get to see teams from opposing conferences play, teams that would normally not play each other during the regular season. Not teams that played their last game against each other. Michigan had their chance they lost, they didn't win the Big Ten, so they shouldn't play in the Championship game.
Plus did you see how exciting the Florida Game was I'd like to see them against Ohio State. I think they can beat them, but we know Michigan did not.Juan said:
posted on December 2, 2006 10:50 PM — 68.99.30.162 — link — abuse?
Throw the stats out the window, both Michigan and Florida fans can make a case. At the end of the day ask yourself if Michigan and Florida played who do you think would win? As a close college football observer I say Michigan hands down. If Flordia leap frogs Michigan with a not so impressive win today it proves just how useless the current system is. MI vs. OSU is a toss-up. OSU vs FL will be a lousy championship game. OSU wins in a route.
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 2, 2006 10:53 PM — 75.20.190.14 — link — abuse?
Florida and it is a no brainer. They both have a loss and Florida has played a far superior schedule. Michigan had their chance, OSU did not play very well and still hung 42 on them. Florida will play in the NC game and beat OSU. It will be an ugly game but I call Florida by 3. Florida has the best defense in the nation. Also, I would love to see LSU - Notre Dame in the Sugar, that would shut IrishJT up for a season or two.
I don't want to hear another word about USC, they are a good young team but 2 losses to unranked teams is unacceptable for an elite program.
C-DOGG said:
posted on December 2, 2006 10:58 PM — 76.188.148.131 — link — abuse?
Let me be the first to throw this out there..... (At least I think I'm the first)how about a SPLIT NATIONAL TITLE. Are we seeing this scenerio being set up in the BCS era again? (I believe USC & LSU did split before). Here we go...Michigan beats OSU (score obviously doesn't matter) and Florida wins their bowl game by at least 14 points. I would support a split. Anyone other than Florida or Michigan fans got some feedback on this??
Big D said:
posted on December 2, 2006 10:58 PM — 69.218.235.138 — link — abuse?
The Ohio State University and The University of Michigan should play again. They are the best two teams in the country. If OSU plays Florida 35-10 if UM plays USC 28-7. Lets let the top two teams go at it again...what a game that would be.
T-Mac said:
posted on December 2, 2006 11:00 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Doug, post # 11. At least our SEC Conference runner-up didn't get beat by not 1, but 2 UN-RANKED TEAMS. Think about what you say before you post bro. USC just lost for the 2nd time to an UN-RANKED team. Try and keep a low profile like Tommie Trojan and So Cal USMCMYTROJANSJUSTGOTBEATAGAIN. It would be in your best interest bro. Keep that chin up. T-Mac
posted on December 2, 2006 11:01 PM — link — abuse?
Split title is realistic, I presume, but it would only happen if Michigan barely beat tOSU and Florida blew out (30+) their opponent.
floridaisoverrated said:
posted on December 2, 2006 11:05 PM — 141.213.245.250 — link — abuse?
Why would a win against a team with no quarterback and an injured player that engines the whole entire offense be convincing enough to pass Michigan. Florida has barely won every game all year. Anybody who has watched Michigan play this year knows that Michigan had every game it played besides OSU under control. Please don't bring up Boise St. Mike Hart played one series the whole second half and they scored a touchdown. Carr rested the defense too early. The last two touchdowns were scored against the second team except for a 3 yard touchdown run. Michigan would kill Florida on a neutral field. I think they would handel them in the swamp also.
IrishJT said:
posted on December 2, 2006 11:05 PM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Who cares??
I'd rather beat Flordia in the Sugar Bowl. LSU would be fun to beat, but I'd really love for Brady to get his first 500 yard passing game against Florida.
What weak D they have!!! I love hearing Florida fans whine about how hard their schedule was. Regan even included Southern Miss in his "my-schedule-was-tougher-than-Michigan's" tantrum.
Gimme a break. Two words: Western Carolina!!!!!
Luke said:
posted on December 2, 2006 11:18 PM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?
HAHAHA Irish, you fool. Who are you to say the SEC championship team has weak defense? your team has lost it's 2 big games by 20 points or more. Talk about weak defense. Florida has one of the best defenses in the country. Also just to see if anyone noticed, Florida actually outran Arkansas
scarletavenger47 said:
posted on December 2, 2006 11:21 PM — 70.177.227.36 — link — abuse?
Bring em' all on. Can any of you look back and place a team that has beaten 2X #2 ranked teams in the past oh say 100 years.
I think not. Send the arguments. It doesn't matter. This year's Buckeyes will defeat everyone they come across.
Let's make it the 3rd number 2 ranked team in a single season and solidify the deserving NC team.
Julie said:
posted on December 2, 2006 11:22 PM — 24.239.72.116 — link — abuse?
OKay
here is how i see it it doesn't really matter who Ohio State plays cuz who ever it is they are gonna kick some butt!! They already won once to "the team up north" and if you MUST have ohio state (future #1 National Champions) proove themselves again no problem! they can do it for sure! oh and the gators pfhhh!! piece of cake!GO BUCKEYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:P
Jon said:
posted on December 2, 2006 11:25 PM — 69.246.161.119 — link — abuse?
I just crunched the numbers and here is the best mathematical argument for what I believe is going to happen.
I predict the computers rankings to be irrelevant. Even if ALL swing toward Florida, the Harris and USA today poll will be the final deciding factor. If Florida and Michigan gained an EQUAL amount of votes in these two polls (Harris and USA), and Florida won ALL of the computer rankings, Florida still loses.
Best Case Scenario (Florida)
Mich 23 23 23 23 = 92/100 = .920
Flor 24 24 24 24 = 96/100 = .960Mich (Harris): .9172
Flor (Harris): .8870Mich (USA): .9175
Flor (USA): .8921Mich BCS standings .918
Flor BCS standings .913And even that kind of luck is unlikely for Florida. After crunching the numbers, and going back and looking at the history of those two polls ....I'd say I'm 99.9% certain Michigan is going.
/Fight for a playoff.
TNGator said:
posted on December 2, 2006 11:26 PM — 4.88.54.210 — link — abuse?
For all intents and purposes, I truly hope that MI gets into the NC for two key reasons:
1) Outside of two states, hardly anyone will pay any attention to the game. Outside of these two states, no one wants to see this match up. MI had their chance and the first game really wasnt as close as the final score indicates.
2) The non-response to the NC by the general public fuels the flames for a playoff system.The current BCS system sucks almost as bad as the Heisman voting.
Chest Rockwell said:
posted on December 2, 2006 11:27 PM — 75.45.228.96 — link — abuse?
the sec was completely overrated this year. urban meyer is a genius...but this isn't his year to shine..yet. michigan should play ohio state again. get real florida, go undefeated next year, then we will talk. tim tebow for heisman in 2007...GO BLUE!!!!
Julie Crabtree said:
posted on December 2, 2006 11:29 PM — 24.239.72.116 — link — abuse?
Okay here is how i see it it doesn't really matter who Ohio State plays because who ever they are the buckeyes are gonna kick there butt! I mean if "the team up north" wants to get shown up by osu again then fine the bucks will just beat them again!!! and the gators pfhh! piece of CAKE!
Bring it on!GO BUCKS!!!!!!!!!
Chest Rockwell said:
posted on December 2, 2006 11:33 PM — 75.45.228.96 — link — abuse?
neutral field this time...troy smith will get punched in the face. michigan WILL win if given the chance to play that team to the south again. this game is more meaningful to the ohio state players..they have nothing else to look forward to in life other than utilizing their new found basket weaving skills and aids awareness.
Don V said:
posted on December 2, 2006 11:34 PM — 70.119.92.96 — link — abuse?
For those that want to bring up Southern Miss and UCF as points against Florida, I do know how that flies when you look at Ball State and Central Michigan against Michigan. You want to throw Western Carolina in there, fine, but don't use SoMiss and UCF when Michigan has those two OOC games that they played.
Luke said:
posted on December 2, 2006 11:40 PM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?
Ohio state no doubt has the best offense in the country. Florida however is the best defense that ohio state will play. I think florida has a very good chance to shock ohio state with some real defense. Everyone called on arkansas to run over Florida, but we stopped them dead in their tracks. I think Florida has the potential to upset Ohio State more than people give them credit for.
Chris said:
posted on December 2, 2006 11:43 PM — 24.24.114.56 — link — abuse?
Dear Lord! Dear Lord! Dear Lord!
NOBODY knows who the best two teams in the country are. Period. You can make an argument about Michigan...but they already lost to Ohio State. You can make an argument about Florida...but they lost to Auburn. You can make an argument about USC but they lost to UCLA.
Here is my Biased take on the whole thing. NOBODY besides Michigan Fans think Michigan deserves another shot. It's a GREAT "selling game"...the second best rivalry in the college football for all the marbles?! Beautiful.
But
Michigan lost their shot. Had they beaten Ohio State it would be different. They didn't.
USC lost the rivalry game to UCLA. That chucks them to a two loss team and BYE BYE!
Florida came through the toughest conference with only one loss and won the SEC. I say again THE SEC!
I'm sorry guys, but getting a winning record in the SEC is hard. Play Auburn, Florida, Tennessee, Arkansas and LSU all within a 1 and a half month period and your team will wear down.
In a two month run Florida faced Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia, Vandy and South Carolina. NOW here is where you make upset comments. Who's Kentucky? (That's the team that beat Georgia and came close to Tennessee) Alabama? Didn't they go 6-6 and fire the coach? (Yes, but they lost to Arkansas in 2 overtimes by one and held close to Florida, Tennesse and Auburn) Vandy? Yes Vandy! No longer the stepping child of the SEC.
Why doesn't the Big Ten ever go into a good conference to get some out of conference competition? Alabama took on Oklahoma. Auburn got Pete's USC boys. Look at out the schedule between Florida and Michigan on a week to week basis and I give Michigan 4 weeks with a harder opponet. ONLY 4!
WANT TO KNOW THE BEST PART? No way Ohio State would still be undefeated if they had to come throught the SEC conference. They are a great team, but week in and week out against the SEC boys?
NO WAY.
Some replies:
PopsMich - Read the above 50 times
C-Dogg - I wish I had you and money for the 92 championship game!! (Who knows!)
Doug - Bring whatever team you like to the SEC for 4 weeks.
Shecce - As an Alabama guy I understand your "we were almost there math"...You still failed!
Regan - I voted for you for a reason!
Juan - I bet you had money on USC too.
Auburn2004- That still stings doesn't it?Love, Peace and Chicken Grease Kids!
Julie said:
posted on December 2, 2006 11:45 PM — 24.239.72.116 — link — abuse?
oh
and to the ND fans brady quinn might not have had the GREATEST year but he still looked pretty good tryin! i think it would be nice to give he the heisman just to see his great smile but you must give it to the one that earned it TROY SMITH!
:)IU fan said:
posted on December 2, 2006 11:50 PM — 208.252.179.24 — link — abuse?
The decision will be made based on the largest audience draw. You need 2 teams from different areas to attract attention nationally. Economics is the key not the 2nd best team, which by the way is Michigan. I love the Big 10!!
SNAFU said:
posted on December 2, 2006 11:51 PM — 68.1.144.199 — link — abuse?
Florida not Michicken
If you’re not the Conference Champ you shouldn’t be the national champ.
Go back to 2003. Oklahoma earns a spot in the Sugar Bowl by finishing first in the final BCS Standings. Oklahoma then loses to Kansas State in the Big 12 championship game. LSU, the SEC champion, edged USC for second place in the final BCS Standings to advance to the Sugar Bowl. # 2 LSU beat # 1 Oklahoma 21-14. LSU declared the national championship.Here’s another interesting BCS flaw, IMHO. Keep in mind the score does not matter in six of the eight computers.
Michicken lost .0472 BCS points with loss to OSU. Then looses .0047 the following week when they were idle. USC jumps them by beating # 5 ND. ND looses .1936, USC gains .0272 and leads Michicken by .0075. Then # 10 LSU beats # 6 Rkansass. LSU gains .1675 and Rkansass looses .1449.
Hmmmmmm
RUKiddinMe said:
posted on December 3, 2006 12:08 AM — 70.185.169.204 — link — abuse?
U know, the Gators were gonna lose about every other game they played according to most, but some how HERE WE ARE! Werent we gonna get "routed" by Ark. tonight? Wasnt LSU gonna eat us alive? Some where along the line, u gotta give credit where credit is due! UM does have the "better" loss but both UM and tOSU are really unproven w/the "weaker" sched.! Post #23 took the words outta my mouth, If u cant win your conf. how do u get into the NC game? UF has been playn "crappy" all year but they are still standing here at the end! GO GATORS!!!!!!
C-DOGG said:
posted on December 3, 2006 12:09 AM — 76.188.148.131 — link — abuse?
Hey Chris (which by the way is my first name),
Re: post#51,I'll never forget that 34-13 beatdown that Alabama put on my canes in 1992 (at least I think that was the score). Derrick Lassic ran all over us and George Teague stripped Lamar "don't bring that to the OB!" Thomas of the ball, while in stride, just like Maurice Clarett did in the 02' National title game. Yes I have a good memory and yes it took a few years to get over that one. ;o). Best wishes to Alabama with the coaching situation. But that sugarbowl was a masterful defensive gameplan by Bama.
goodolnuma5 said:
posted on December 3, 2006 12:24 AM — 24.208.149.244 — link — abuse?
Chris,
You make good points. ONLY problem is, FLA looked like crap today, YES I SAID CRAP. I hope they (FLA) make it, but there is no mistake. MICHIGAN IS BETTER THAN FLORIDA. Leak runnin the option? Cmon. If Tebow throws more than one pass, puhleez!
Chris said:
posted on December 3, 2006 12:48 AM — 24.24.114.56 — link — abuse?
Oh make no mistake about it FL didn't play the way they can. NO MORE OPTION URBAN! The funny thing about the SEC is you didn't see the most talented team play tonight. That would be LSU (on paper). Florida had the determination. Arkansas had the heart and LSU had the talent.
Tebow right will not beat OSU. Leak option will not beat OSU.
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 3, 2006 1:00 AM — 75.20.190.14 — link — abuse?
goodoldnuma5,
Just be man enough to said the Gators whipped you. They scored 38 points and outrushed you.
FYI, I agree, they need to quit trying to run the option with Leak. Just let the kid throw the ball, he is pretty good at it. They can run the option next year. Florida won despite horrific play calling. They need to get that fixed before the bowl game.
cardfan-in-Oklahoma said:
posted on December 3, 2006 1:10 AM — 70.233.144.223 — link — abuse?
Let me shake up all you Big East haters:
Why Not LOUISVILLE????
Only one loss... to a ranked team(rutgers).....
on the road....by a last second field goal!!!I know you all will say:
SOS and the BE sucks but,THE FACT IS......LOUISVILLE WOULD BE A DIFFICULT GAME FOR ANY TEAM IN THE COUNTRY!!!!
BOBBY PETRINO SHOULD BE THE COACH OF THE YEAR!!
Jason said:
posted on December 3, 2006 1:19 AM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse?
I say Ohio State gets the National Championship by default for being the only team capable of going undefeated. Let the people crying about why they deserve a shot play each other in the game to see who is the second best and give Ohio State the crystal ball they have already earned. If Michigan feels they should be in the Championship then Ohio State should already be Champs because we already won head to head.
Also, for everyone crying about the field conditions at the Shoe, find another excuse. Both teams played for the first time on the same field. Michigan lost to Ohio State, they don't deserve to be in the Championship even if they are the second best team. There time came and went. There should not be a second chance.
Most Michigan fans will think I say this because OSU fans are scared to face them again. No, I just don't see how you can make a team have to beat the same team twice in order to crown an appropriate champ. What if Michigan did win? Is it now co-champs. They don't deserve it outright if they did win. Yes, the BCS is BS, but it is what college football has decided and Michigan doesn't deserve another shot at Ohio State.Michael said:
posted on December 3, 2006 1:23 AM — 67.49.60.23 — link — abuse?
MICHIGAN!
U of M only played 12 games to FA's 13! That's MORE games played for FA on TV & TODAY on TV, too! Why should FA get to play yet ANOTHER championship game & '14' games when U of M hasn't played any championship game yet, although there will be NO better game in '06 than U of M -vs- OSU, and U of M should've won had the REF NOT BLOWN the INCIDENTAL helmet:helmet contact (Crable:Smith).
Today's USC LB (Maleu, SP?) HELMET:HELMET sideline hit (hmm? This looks familiar!) on UCLA QB (Cowan) was much more vicious, just like the T. A & M game a week ago when Colt McCoy got steamrolled by a T. A & M lineman on a vicious HELMET:HELMET hit, but NEITHER player/team was penalized like MICHIGAN!
Why NOT? Where's the YELLOW FLAG or PENALTY???
Perhaps Heisman Hopeful QB's receive preferential treatment. The 3 HELMET:HELMET rules in the NCAA were revised in 2005 & ALL 3 insist contact must be INTENTIONAL, NOT incidental to be a penalty! The REF. in the U of M-vs-OSU game misapplied the NFL rule in an NCAA game!
Thus, the NCAA OWES U of M BIG TIME!
The REF's in last week's Texas-vs-T. A & M game & today's USC-vs-UCLA games got both calls RIGHT! There was NO penalty on either of those plays either even though the HELMET:HELMET contact on the 2 QB's (McCoy & Cowan) was even more severe than what Troy Smith suffered on the Crable hit.
Home Field advantage 4 sure!
Heisman hopeful favoritism 4 sure!
Anyway, why bring this up now?
Michigan should be #1 (12-0) had the REF. got it RIGHT like the REF's in the Texas-Texas A&M and UCLA-USC games did!
That's the biggest reason U of M should get a RE-MATCH with OSU. U of M was RIPPED off by a bad REF. call on a very pivotal play (3rd & 15)!
Michigan would've probably WON 39-35 or 39-38!
Also, U of M still lost by ONLY "3" pts. to the #1 team on the ROAD, too!
Florida lost to Auburn by more who lost more games!
Also since there is NO PLAYOFF (even the California H.S. Football teams get a STATE PLAYOFF this year), teams should be limited to the SAME # of games PRIOR to BCS rankings or all Conference winners should play another Conference winner (i.e. BIG 10 winner -vs- BIG 12 winner) to ultimately decide the BCS Championship or have a playoff like the NCAA Basketball March Madness to decide who's #1!Finally, do the Math!
NO TEAM @ this juncture should catapult "2" places in the POLLS by virtue of only "1" game, and an EXTRA one (i.e. 13-vs-12) to boot!
Since USC was ranked #2, U of M ranked #3, & FA ranked #4 BEFORE today's UNFAIR 13th game, then each team should ONLY move UP "1" POLL PLACE, NOT 2!
Therefore U of M would have to move UP to #2 again, and rightfully so! FA should NOT be able to move up any more than 1 place from #4 to #3, which mathematically eliminates them from the BCS Championship game because NO team can vault "2" poll places by virtue of a 13th game!
That leaves FA @ #3!
BCS Championship must be by virtue of its inherent design pit the #1 and #2 teams, which have to be #1 OSU and #2 U of M moving up ONLY ONE place from #3 today to #2 Sunday!
M go Blue!
Goody said:
posted on December 3, 2006 1:34 AM — 75.21.167.149 — link — abuse?
Im sick of listening to Urban Meyer's desperate whining and complaining. Forget Ohio State I wish Michigan could play Florida and shut up Urban Meyer. On ESPN Lloyd Carr handled his interview with class avoiding the questions of who deserves it more, while Urban Meyer went about the greatness of the SEC and why they deserve a chance. You dont deserve a chance! If you deserve a chance than BOISE STATE deserves a chance. In this system the 2 best teams play. They played once and EVERYONE said after the game those were the 2 best teams and nothing has changed. Dont whine bc you deserve a chance bc you dont.
bigbluechuck said:
posted on December 3, 2006 1:38 AM — 71.226.11.31 — link — abuse?
OK Fla non confrence sched. Two conf. usa teams and a 1 doub a team. Thats crap... If not for a muffed punt they only win by 3 tonight. arkansas got smoked by usc who lost 2 oregon st. and ucla.
Technically Mich and ohio st. would both smoke Fla. Screw urban meyer and screw u 2 florida.HAIL TO THE FREAKING VICTORS going to glendale and beating OSU on a neutral site. Plus most of the voters dont like the over hyped SEC. LATE
M.J. Weston said:
posted on December 3, 2006 2:07 AM — 68.113.126.179 — link — abuse?
Florida is a conference champion. Michigan is not. If Michigan plays Ohio State again, then it is just a Big 10 or 11 play off game and only for that conference's championship. If Florida or Oklahoma plays Ohio State, then it is for a National Championship. Ohio State deserves a chance to win a national championship. We also need to see how well the Big 10 or 11 will do against highly ranked teams outside their conference, which is what the BCS games are suppose to be about. Another Michigan versus Ohio State game will be a very boring rematch of little interest to anyone outside the Midwest. I would not even watch it.
Mike said:
posted on December 3, 2006 2:29 AM — 138.87.173.167 — link — abuse?
IM from illinois and im a huge fan of the big ten, but michigan had its chance at osu and they lost, so its florida's chance to beat em. SEC IS THE BEST CONFERENCE IN AMERICA.
They SEC has been the best conference for the last ten years.
the big ten "two" has ohio state and michigan plus one team each year, this year it is wisconsin, next year it will prolly be iowa. THe big ten is so unbalanced. The big ten is so overrated. There are so many bad teams. From Homer Glen Illinois
Mike said:
posted on December 3, 2006 2:57 AM — 138.87.173.167 — link — abuse?
Im a huge fan of the big ten, but the big ten sucks this year. Besides wisconsin, michigan, and ohio state, the big ten sucks. Michigan lost to ohio state, florida did not. Give florida a chance, michigan lost to ohio state already. They lost by ten if not for a garbage touchdown. Im from illinois and michigan already lost. Give florida a chance. Florida lost without giving an offensive touchdown to auburn. Give florida a chance.
Ben Bleikamp said:
posted on December 3, 2006 4:00 AM — 67.149.249.212 — link — abuse?
Florida or Michigan? Who cares. Ohio State will win it.
The game against Michigan was close - Ohio State turned the ball over 3 times and their defense wasn't as solid as it has been all year. It's not a sign of Michigan's stellar offense - it was a sign of Ohio State being tired from carrying the mounting pressure of being #1 for an entire season. Even with 3 turnovers Michigan couldn't get it done. With 1 ridiculous pass interference call Michigan couldn't score enough points.
Being rested and ready to play in Glendale you can expect the whole team to be in pique condition - whoever they play they'll still be #1 at the end of the night.
Ian said:
posted on December 3, 2006 6:09 AM — 71.215.37.198 — link — abuse?
there is no #2 team. they're all #3's. yep, florida, michigan, louisville, and even boise state. so i propose we forget about this whole debate about who's #2 and give the trophy right now to ohio state. it doesnt matter who they play. ohio state is hands down the best team in in the nation. #2 is going to be beat, convincingly i might add. but, since someone has to go, give it to the gators. and the michigan fans should have enough common sense to understand why in case your team doesn't go. the end
realist said:
posted on December 3, 2006 6:14 AM — 64.81.160.215 — link — abuse?
anyone that doesn't realize that any SEC team would drop a game or two to the Big Ten/Big 12/PAC 10 if they had to play the whole season in that conference is shortsighted. The SEC is tough. The Big Ten is tough. The PAC 10 and Big 12 are moth#@!*#$%@! tough. Don't tell me that Florida couldn't have lost to Wisconsin in Madison, Texas in Austin, Even Oregon in the swamp. It may seem more intense, (read: better football) for you because they are your rivals, but that is because they are your rivals. The 2 best teams playing for the national championship = OSU vs. UM. The best "fantasy bowl" matchups could be anything including FLA vs. OSU...UM vs USC...but do you want a best team at the end of the season or do you just want to spank one off...southern style.
Marko said:
posted on December 3, 2006 7:26 AM — 70.127.205.96 — link — abuse?
Florida would get embarrased against Ohio State. Leak is prone to huge mistakes and OSU would make him pay. Michigan is by far the 2nd best team in the nation, its not a question of who "deserves" a chance, its the 2nd best team.
Ash said:
posted on December 3, 2006 7:31 AM — 71.52.20.71 — link — abuse?
Pound for pound they both have the right to go to the championship game, but Florida has the edge for one reason and one reason only THEY WON THEIR CONFERENCE, Michigan didn’t. Michigan had their chance and didn’t get the job done, Florida did. If Ohio plays Michigan again and wins did they prove they are best in the nation? No it just mean their better then Michigan. If Florida doesn’t go, then it will be the beginning of the end of the BCS.
rebel1222 said:
posted on December 3, 2006 7:52 AM — 12.175.230.38 — link — abuse?
Florida should be #2. Michigan played a very weak schedule. Florida played a very tough schedule.
If Michigan and OU play again. I hope it is the least watched game in the history of the BCS. Because it will be BS!
This is exactly why we need a playoff system!
onebluefan said:
posted on December 3, 2006 8:12 AM — 66.157.151.5 — link — abuse?
Let’s start by throwing out the numbers for a minute. The philosophy behind the BCS is to put the best two teams on the field for the last game of the year. It’s not conference champion vs. conference champion. If it works out that way fine, but if it doesn’t vote the two best teams in for the fans. I know that’s not going to happen for several reasons. Don’t get me wrong I am a Michigan fan first, but I’m also a college football fan too.
The top two reasons we won’t see the best two teams are history and money. First, the BCS ( I know I’m using that term loosely, I actually should say the human factor of the BCS) doesn’t want to shutout the SEC again. Living in the south I’ve heard my fair share of conspiracy theories of how the SEC is being held back. Most recently with Auburn. It’s funny to me that you don’t hear any other conference on TV complaining about their conference. They simply show up and play football and let the wins and losses speak for themselves. It’s absolutely a disgrace to sit and watch an exciting football game on national TV and have to be inundated with biased opinions. I think CBS should fire both Lundquist and Danielson. It’s not the fact that they said that Florida deserved to be there, anyone can make a case that they do. It’s the fact that I (as many others) felt like it was a full out plea to the voters to pick Florida and the SEC. That’s wrong… that’s where I think they crossed the line.
Secondly, the money. Let’s not fool ourselves, this is actually about money, sponsorship, and target markets. A single conference face-off would not have the national draw that a multi-conference would. Simple geography would tell us that. That also translates into nervous sponsors who are looking for advertising bag for their buck. Part of me wonders if this is why the national media has become some boisterous about the conference champions playing each other…. Maybe some network pressure through their advertisers???? I could be way off base, but I threw it out there.
I honestly think Florida with its coach front and center most recently will get the nod. Ever hear of the recency phenomenon? Fair? In my opinion, NO. We’ve all read the numbers on both teams and some don’t want to see a rematch because they don’t want the both won one controversy.. It’s failing again, so why doesn’t college football fix it for its fans? Ask the University Presidents that one. No conference wants to be totally shutout of the money in a bad year. So we get lopsided bowl games as a result.
I think Ohio State will be handed an early Christmas present in the form of Florida. It’s not if, it’s when Ohio State embarrasses Florida, the system will come under fire again. In fact I hope it’s such a one-sided game that people tune out before the half is over. I’ll go on record and assure you that this will not be USC and Texas, nor will it be a 3 point game. The simple fact is that Michigan will be jumped for second time in as many weeks after Florida beat the SEC’s second best team (sarcasm…LOL). All that said, Michigan has done nothing other than having a bye week and no Big Ten championship game. I wonder if they should be crying to the media too. Actually let’s face the fact that the SEC doesn’t have the upper echelon that the other conferences have. I’m sorry that recruiting and coaching won’t allow that to happen, so don’t hold that against the Big Ten.
GO BLUE!!! (or Buckeyes)
posted on December 3, 2006 8:25 AM — link — abuse?
The real question is: Did Florida do enough yesterday to pass Michigan in the human polls?
The Gators are probably going to be ahead of Michigan (just barely) in the computer averages, but they have to pass the Wolverines in the polls to get the BCS slot.
In that regard, having a conference championship game definitely worked in Florida's favor. I don't think any voters would give the nod to Florida if they had only seen their performance in Tallahassee & not the Arkansas game.
Mooka said:
posted on December 3, 2006 8:38 AM — 138.163.0.38 — link — abuse?
I just love those predictions on how Ohio St would embarrass FLA, blah, blah, blah. I can't figure out for the life of me why people like to under estimate SEC Champions! WTF??? Nobody has a problem admiting SEC is the best conference in CFB except for SOCAL and we all know he's an idiot. Just don't forget, FLA is the SEC Champions. I think they could handle the Big-10 Champ. I understood Marko's thread about Chris Leak, and how he can crack, but that doesn't mean his team doesn't deserve a shot. Ohio St. is a well disciplined team that would make FLA pay for mistakes, but if FLA goes into that game ready to bust some heads it won't matter. FLA would win.
You Eff Fan said:
posted on December 3, 2006 8:45 AM — 68.233.60.96 — link — abuse?
I just want to give my condolences to Tommie Trojan for his recent loss. He spent a lot of time and effort writing on these blogs about his overrated USC Team. I would be surprised if we hear from him again this year.
Now, on to business:
All things are not equal when debating this issue. You can see all data from the above posts supporting either UM or UF, and the simple fact is this: Michigan had its shot at Ohio State... period. They put up a great fight in a great game. Time to step aside and let a CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING Team take a shot.
Be graceful. Step aside. Play for third place and be happy that you do not play in the SEC, where your team would finish 9-3 or worse with the same schedule that UF played this year.
And remember, you cannot spell SCUM without UM.
SNAFU said:
posted on December 3, 2006 9:21 AM — 68.1.144.199 — link — abuse?
Post 68
You’re starting to sound like TTjr, take your ball and go home. We’ll get a new shiny one.
That one play/foul (helmet to helmet) did happen and it was a penalty because he led with the helmet. It should have been a penalty in the other two games also. All the sports shows have said that, but they probably bleeped that part out in Ann Arbor.
OSU beat UM in every part of the game (score/passing/rushing/receiving); except turnovers and led most of the game by 10+ points, you want to play what ifs, what if the center/QB fumbles and the interception never happened, UM lost 10.
What screwed the BCS up after that game were the idiots that belong to the Harris poll that voted UM number two/three when they should have dropped to the cellar. Look at all the other “big game” losses and teams lost 5-10 spots. Polls are only as good as the idiots putting in the data.
OSU VS Florida
PopsMich said:
posted on December 3, 2006 9:38 AM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
UM deserves what Florida already had a shot at:
A chance at the title at a neutral site. While it won't technically be called the "Big Ten Conference title" we'll take National Title.
Thanks BCS for letting us use your neutral site in Glendale. Sorry Florida, you already had your 13th game.
You Eff Fan said:
posted on December 3, 2006 10:08 AM — 68.233.60.96 — link — abuse?
The country is voicing its opinion via a poll of who should go to the big game. It is close, but UF has 53% of the nation's vote (on ESPN) so far today.
Its early yet. Most of the UF fans have not yet rolled out of bed, because we were up late watching our team WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP IN THE UNDISPUTABLE TOUGHEST CONFERENCE IN THE NATION! We play hard both on and off the field, you know. It's kind of a Florida thing.
By the way, I invite you to read Mark Schlabach's recent article on the UM / UF debate. He has all the stats and facts about both teams, and unlike us, this is his job. His opinion: No way should Michigan go.
Enjoy the debate. Here in the Sunshine State it is a nice 85 degrees and I am heading to the beach to bask in the sun and glory that is Florida.
Buckeye Ed said:
posted on December 3, 2006 10:13 AM — 24.160.181.66 — link — abuse?
Michael post #68. That is how little girls and sissys get their way, by whining and calling for do overs. Michigan is a very good and honorable team but doesn't need whiny fans like yourself making excuses for them. They know they lost the game fair and sqaure. The Buckeyes has some bad calls against them too "Pass Interference inside the 10" "Roughing the Center",(Who calls that). It doesn't matter what could have happened, What matters is what did happened and the Buckeyes offense was too much for Michigans D. No one in the country can cover all of those receivers and keep an eye on Pittman and Wells. It is impossible. Michigan is better than Florida, easily. I hope Ohio State does play them again so that we can make Mike Hart eat his words. When Ohio State wins, this will mark the pennicle of Buckeye Football.
12-0 regular season
1 Heisman - Troy Smith
1 Butkus Award - James Laurainitis
2 wins against Michigan
1 National ChampionshipIt does not get better than that, ever!
I don't blame people for being jealous
The truth hurts some timesGo Bucks
Brian Metzger said:
posted on December 3, 2006 10:15 AM — 24.33.85.188 — link — abuse?
It's not about what we want to SEE. It is about the 2 best teams, and if you don't think the two best teams are OSU and UM, you don't know what you are talking about.
Winning your conference is not a part of the system.
Currently Espn.com has tilted to UM with 51% of the vote.
PopsMich said:
posted on December 3, 2006 10:22 AM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
This shouldn't even be close, but we'll have to wait it out until tonight.
Here's why:
1. UM beat 2 top ten teams (They're put there by the Polls and Computers that consider ROAD wins/losses, so don't complain about the opponent's SOS or worthiness, etc. - its all captured). UF beat only 1.2. By the end of today, both UM will have beaten 3 teams in the top 25 (when Penn St. replaces Hawaii), so don't gripe about facing "Ranked Teams" that proved to be paper tigers (Tennessee), or "Bowl Eligible" opponents. Wins vs 3 loss teams like Tenn and Arkansas equate to a win vs Penn St. (who had 4 losses, all to teams in the Top 10).
3. UM lost to a team ranked AHEAD of them. UF lost to a team ranked BELOW them. Aren't we "supposed" to beat the lower ranked team?
4. Everything else is just noise (We beat Vandy worse than you did, and all the other middle of the pack opponents is useless).
A comparison of QUALITY, from the Voters and Computers - not us, says that UM is the 2nd ranked team, and deserves a title shot.
Its not about the SEC, its about 2 teams. They're both worthy of comparison, but only one will go, and that one is UM. Hopefully we'll get a Playoff system where all teams at least get a deserving shot.
Ash said:
posted on December 3, 2006 10:48 AM — 71.52.20.71 — link — abuse?
This debate is proving very interesting, with the BCS standings still waiting to be announced, let’s throw another wrinkle into this conversation. Michigan plays Ohio State in the BCS championship, Florida plays Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl, and both win. Who’s national champion, Michigan, they would have beaten the #1 team in the land and end with just one lose, Florida, their the SEC champion and finish one win ahead of Michigan and Ohio, Ohio the only team they lost to would have been Michigan in the championship game and they beat them once already this year and are Big Ten Champions.
I can guaranty one thing the BCS supporters are hoping that Ohio wins the Championship, because if they don’t (and USC v. UCLA shows anything can happen), then we will be discussing this until next season.
Marko said:
posted on December 3, 2006 10:54 AM — 70.127.205.96 — link — abuse?
Florida beat Arkansas who got BLOWN out by USC. The ONLY people that insist that the SEC is the best conference is the SEC.
Vegas put up the odds if Mich-FLA played. Michigan by 6pts.
If Florida got into the BCS Championship game, the Buckeyes would BLOW OUT the Gators hands down. Chris Leak would be torn apart with his ridiculous turnover tendencies. Michigan is by far the better team. They deserve to play for the title.
Ash said:
posted on December 3, 2006 10:57 AM — 71.52.20.71 — link — abuse?
I still say how can Michigan be one of the two best teams in the nation if they aren't even the best team in their conference? Ohio and Florida both are conference champions in the two toughest conferences, they did what they had to do, Michigan didn't!!!! If Michigan and not Florida gets into the BCS Championship Game, then blow up the BCS and start letting them decide in it on the field.
AuburnFan2004 said:
posted on December 3, 2006 10:59 AM — 71.233.38.236 — link — abuse?
For ye of little faith who don't the SEC is the TOUGHEST conference in college football, let me explain to you the facts of life.
The reason that the SEC is the toughest conference isn't because some of its teams are really good...it isn't because the SEC consistently has the best team in the nation...it isn't even because the SEC recruits better athletes.
The reason the SEC is the toughest conference is because if you don't bring your A-game to ANY conference game, you WILL get beat. Bringing your A-game every week requires both mental and physical toughness. This is why the SEC is the toughest conference, and also why "style points" don't exist in the Southeast.
In contrast, let's take a look at the Big Ten. Although the Big Ten has arguably the two best teams in the nation (and a pretty good team in Wisconsin), the rest of the teams are cakewalk teams. Sure, based on opponents records Michigan may have similar strength of schedule to Florida...but that's because win you add up the wins and losses in a conference...every conference is the same. Somebody has to win and somebody has to lose in every game. In reality, we know that Florida played a much tougher schedule than did Mcihigan.
Given a choice...any football coach would prefer playing two top ranked opponents and the rest be cakewalk teams rather than having to play a pretty good team nearly every week.
If you were a coach, which do you think would be easier.
War Eagle!
Chris - Thanks for the "Shout Out"...and yes, it still stings
Jake Fegan said:
posted on December 3, 2006 11:02 AM — 68.185.100.17 — link — abuse?
The human voters will have Michigan at #2 barely, and the computers will have Florida at #2. Plus, many human voters, who are averse to a rematch, may sway to Florida.
If I was a voter, it would be Florida for two simple reasons:
(1) You have to be a conference champion to receive my vote to play in the national title game. (and yes, Notre Dame should be forced to join a conference.)
(2) If Michigan wins a re-match, it renders the first game between OSU and Michigan meaningless.
Marko said:
posted on December 3, 2006 11:23 AM — 70.127.205.96 — link — abuse?
Jake,
Jeff Sagarin just put Michigan number 2 in the BCS poll and two other BCS polls have Michigan way above Florida. So that leaves 3 polls to Florida(maybe). If you dont have the human polls, the computer polls wont help the Gators.
Marko said:
posted on December 3, 2006 11:26 AM — 70.127.205.96 — link — abuse?
If you are a voter, you are supposed to vote according to the bylaws of the process. Winning a conference is NOT part of the BCS process, nor is preventing a rematch. Why dont you people just vote like you are supposed to and be honest. Florida is a good team, but not in comparison to OSU or Michigan.
Ash said:
posted on December 3, 2006 11:31 AM — 71.52.20.71 — link — abuse?
Marko,
The USC v. Arkansas game was at the beginning of the season and if you think Michigan would have faired better your crazy.
And as to the Vegas comment they had USC favored over UCLA, Louisville over Rutgers, Miami over Florida State enough said.
chris said:
posted on December 3, 2006 11:56 AM — 141.213.245.250 — link — abuse?
ASh: You logical inabilities astound me.
ASh: I still say how can Michigan be one of the two best teams in the nation if they aren't even the best team in their conference?
It really is not that difficult. The two best teams are in the same conference.cardman steve said:
posted on December 3, 2006 11:57 AM — 74.140.231.40 — link — abuse?
big 10 no.2 not! the gators lack luster wins,not! bosie st shold play ohio st and i bet the game game will be good and close as well and bosie st has enough fire power to pull the upset and mots important thing,they finished unbeaten.
posted on December 3, 2006 11:58 AM — link — abuse?
Marko - There are no parameters on voting. Hypothetically speaking, a voter could punish Michigan for not playing a championship game. Or, if they were so inclined, they could punish Florida for a weak OOC. There are no parameters for BCS on either of the human polls.
IrishJT said:
posted on December 3, 2006 11:59 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Dumbass Gator Fans,
First of all, it is Ohio STATE...not Ohio. Secondly, Florida's offense sucks. Chris Leak is so bad that Urban Meyer had to take what should have been a redshirt freshman and play him on critical downs. Finally, Arkansas' has NO defense. Even LSU's meager offense put up over 40...which they hadn't done against a solid opponent all year.Florida is NOT an elite team. The SEC IS an elite conference, however, and I think that Florida deserves all the credit in the world for getting out of there with just one loss (although we all know that they could have 2 or 3 more).
Florida has not faced an offense like OSU or Notre Dame this season (sorry Tennessee...not even close). My guess is that both will hang half-a-hundred on Florida. Florida will score, but only maybe 3 TDs (no feild goals...of course). Being decent on one side of the ball (in Florida's case, defensively) does not win big ball games against complete teams. I know. I root for Notre Dame. I like the Irish defense against Florida though. Chris Leak is terrible and Tebow is too dense for any long 3rd down situations.
OU Fan said:
posted on December 3, 2006 12:00 PM — 70.245.26.111 — link — abuse?
AuburnFan2004, think that the SEC is toughest conference all you want. OU could beat any team in the SEC, especially the way they are playing football these days. And I'm sorry, but I believe that if Flordia goes to the big game, they will get their a$$es wooped. Go Sooners!! Auburn sucks!!
Luke said:
posted on December 3, 2006 12:11 PM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?
Irish JT, like i said before, sign off line and shut up. Florida has not faced an offense like OSU, but u forgot to mention that OSU has not faced a defense like Florida's. OSU will not blow out UF, UF can keep games close with good defense. And also stop trying to say notre dame is good at anything, they already proved that they suck. I like the poll that 80% of americas say that ND does not deserve to play in a BCS game.
And know something about Florida before you criticize Tebow. He should not have been redshirted, Florida has no back up QB for leak besides him. And it gives him good experience to kick ass against teams next year, hopefully Notre Dame in a bowl game just to shut them up for another few years.
Jason said:
posted on December 3, 2006 12:12 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse?
You know it is funny how much credit is given to conference championships when most of them don't even include the best teams in their own conference. Look at the Big 12 for instance. For at least the past 4 years the south has dominated the north in that conference, but because they have to have a rep from the north and a rep from the south the two best teams in that conference do not play each other. Both teams that played in the Big 12 championship last night lost head to head against Texas this year. So I don't think that you should use a conference championship as a reason for making it to a National Title game.
However, I don't think Michigan deserves another shot at Ohio State. The team that should be really steaming over getting screwed in any manner this year should be Oklahoma. They got shafted at Oregon or they would be in this conversation as well.
For anyone who has one loss you can't accuse any other team about not getting it done. If you would have "got it done" we wouldn't be talking about who might be in the game but who is in the game.Go Bucks!!
Kevin said:
posted on December 3, 2006 12:17 PM — 68.42.116.35 — link — abuse?
How's this for an idea?
OSU is the best team in the nation. I say that we just give them the title and let Michigan and Florida play in Glendale.
That seems like it would be the most entertaining option! I'll say it again:
FLORIDA VS. MICHIGAN IN GLENDALE!!!
:)
Luke said:
posted on December 3, 2006 12:23 PM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?
You guys love to make fun of meyer for arguing about florida getting a shot. How fair do you think it was to him when his Utah team went undefeated in 2004 and he had to argue just to make it to a bcs game in which his team beat the Big east Champs? He already has gotten screwed out of a championship once, he just doesn't want it to happen again.
Michigan had one shot to prove it deserved to be in the championship, in the game with ohio state, and they lost. I can already hear it, if (correction: When) Michigan loses again in glendale they will say, "it's our turn to win in a home game vs ohio state now, and prove that we are the number 2".
Florida had one shot to prove it deserved to be in the championship, in the game vs arkansas, and they shut down arkansas run attack and beat a great team.
Jake Fegan said:
posted on December 3, 2006 12:36 PM — 68.185.100.17 — link — abuse?
If I was a voter, I could make my own internal rules. One rule I would have is: "A team is ineligible for the BCS title game if they do not win their conference."
Personally, I have no way to determine whether Florida or Michigan is the better team or more deserving team. But I do know this: On Nov. 18th, The Ohio State Buckeyes were better than Michigan and therefore should not have to play them again. Allowing the Wolverines a second chance is patently unfair to the Buckeyes.
Sheccs said:
posted on December 3, 2006 12:38 PM — 74.119.11.114 — link — abuse?
Ash:
t is possible to have the 2 best teams play in the same conference/division in any sport. It's happened many times and, I thought the BCS NC game was supposed to pit #1 against #2, not #1 against "most deserving because thy won their conference" or "#2 because no-one wants to see a rematch" or "#2 because it's more profitable if two teams from the same conference don't play in the NC game" or any other of he myriad of excuss people are flinging to explain why Michigan must be passed up. If the Razorbackds had won, you would be puching Louisville on u.
Gerald said:
posted on December 3, 2006 12:55 PM — 65.12.162.103 — link — abuse?
OU Fan:
OU lost to Oregon, got dominated by Texas, barely got by UAB (and this was back when you still had Adrian Peterson), squeaked by Texas A&M and Oklahoma State, and would beat any SEC team? I remember back when Oklahoma was still good, they needed a fake field goal to beat 3 - 8 Alabama 20 - 10. Oh yeah, what happened to OU at the end of that season? Lost to the SEC champs in the national title game for the first of two times in a row. Do you realize than an SEC team has not lost a bowl game with national title implications since 1997? If it wasn't for Texas, the Big 12 would be 0 for whatever in their last 4 or 5 national title games, and if it wasn't for Oregon, Oklahoma would be on their way to losing their 3rd straight national title game. So keep thinking that your team which already has two losses and could easily have 3 more could compete in the SEC. How many teams are ranked in the Big 12? How many teams are ranked in the Big 12 North? Now compare that with the SEC, especially when you consider that Nebraska will drop out and UGA will take their place in the next poll.
SD-KD said:
posted on December 3, 2006 12:55 PM — 72.130.155.23 — link — abuse?
As much as Michigan may deserve another shot I do not think that is what most of the country wants to see. They want to see a new game, no reruns. Besides enough of the griping about what conference is tougher top to bottom. Lets see #1 in Big Ten take on #1 in SEC.
gator fan said:
posted on December 3, 2006 12:56 PM — 24.170.139.6 — link — abuse?
Florida will get in because:
1.Michigan has been sitting idle. Out of sight out of mind.
2.Florida has played 10 bowl teams Michigan 6
3.Florida finished 1 in the SEC Michigan 2 in BIG 10
4.Florida played 4 ranked teams Michigan 3.
5.Florida strength of schedule 1.
Jake Fegan said:
posted on December 3, 2006 12:56 PM — 68.185.100.17 — link — abuse?
Response to post #102:
Thee years ago, voters did not vote according to the rules when some of them voted USC #1 even though they weren't in the national title game.
Last year I got sick and tired of people saying that USC was going for its third straight BCS title.
In the 2003 season, a one-loss LSU got into the national title game over a one-loss USC because LSU had the tougher schedule. LSU upsets Oklahoma and we get a split national title. Hogwash. LSU is the only champ in 2003.
I don't hear USC fans conceding that their national title in 2004 could be split with Auburn, an undefeated SEC team that got left out of the reindeer games just because their pre-season ranking was not as high as USC or Oklahoma.
If voters are free to ignore the champion of the BCS game altogether, I could use my own value system to determine who I would vote for to face Ohio State.
Shit, I would vote all of the automatic BCS teams above Michigan:
(1) Ohio State
(2) Florida
(3) Boise State
(4) USC
(5) Oklahoma
(6) Louisville
(7) wake Forest
(8) Notre Dame
(9) Michigan
(10) LSURealitically, Boise State should actually play for the national title. I wonder if they would have gotten a shot if everyone had two losses instead of one. Not giving Boise State an opportunity despite being the only other unbeaten team means that they were essentially disqualified before the season even began. Hey, if George Mason can make the final four in men's basketball, then I think Boise State can play alongside the big boys.
GatorMatt said:
posted on December 3, 2006 12:59 PM — 65.40.42.140 — link — abuse?
IrishJT,
I think you may get dumber and dumber every week. Do you not realize that the only two decent teams you played destroyed you? How could you possibly say that they would score 50 on Florida? Arkansas has a badass runningback and Heisman hopeful for next year, and he was held to 60 yards or so. 60! You continually make yourself look like a complete jacka$$ with your retarded posts. You've lost all credibility to a lot of people. Just face it, ND sucks.
URBANLEGEND said:
posted on December 3, 2006 1:05 PM — 67.32.32.130 — link —
Marko said:
posted on December 2, 2006 9:54 PM — 70.127.205.96 — link — abuse?MICHIGAN IS IN BABY!!!!!!