December 3, 2006
BCS Championship: Ohio State vs. Florida
2:32 EST - Given Florida's slight advantage (or eventual dead tie) in the computer polls and the sizable gain Florida made in both the USA Today Coaches poll and the AP poll (not a BCS factor), we are now able to call the BCS Championship.
The #2 Florida Gators will meet the #1 Ohio State Buckeyes in the National Championship Game on January 8, 2007.
The official results and bowl assignments will be announced tonight at approximately 7pm EST.
In a cursory review of the Coaches poll, Florida amassed 1,470, meaning that they were ranked #2 by 44 of the coaches and #3 by 18 voters. In order for Michigan to pass Florida at this point, seventy-plus percent of the Harris Poll voters would have to put Michigan ahead of Florida. Given the results so far in the computer polls, Coaches Poll and AP poll, it is now unreasonable (although not impossible) for anyone to think that Michigan will eclipse Florida.
UPDATE - 3:54 EST - The LA Times is agreeing - it's Florida - Ohio State.
UPDATE - We've got the official BCS bowl game lineup for those that don't want to wait for Fox.
Complete 2006-2007 College Football Bowl Schedule & TV Listings
Comments:
Jon said:
posted on December 3, 2006 2:47 PM — 69.246.161.119 — link — abuse?
BCS standings as of right NOW.
USA Today (current)
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#2 Florida 1,470/1,575 = .9333
#3 Michigan 1,444/1,575 = .9168Max voting points: 1575
Harris Interactive (from last week)
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#3 Michigan 2,614/2,850 = .9172
#4 Florida 2,528/2,850 = .8870Max voting points: 2850
Computer Rankings (from last week)
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Michigan 24 23 24 24 = 95/100 = .9500
Florida 23 24 23 23 = 93/100 = .9300Max voting points: 100
Michigan: .950+.9172+.9168/3 = .9280
Florida: .930+.8870+.9333/3 = .9168
So... Hypothethically...If Florida picks up the same amount they did in the Harris interactive (as they did in the USA today) and the computers remain the same, they finish with .9322 and Michigan scores .9278 ... I think Florida is going to win this by a lot... There is no way a few of the computers aren't going to swing their way... And all signs point to Harris swinging their way too. When Harris comes out, I'll plug the numbers in and give a definitive answer. Right now, Im 99.99% sure Florida is going because of the human voting factor!
posted on December 3, 2006 3:02 PM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue said:
Gee thanks, Jon. Pretty sure that's what I said, yo.
Brian Metzger said:
posted on December 3, 2006 3:04 PM — 24.33.85.188 — link — abuse?
It's not who we would like to see play.
It is who is the top 2 teams in College Football.
No one can tell me that FL is one of the top 2 in the nation. I've watched them play most of the games.
Purely politics. Danielson rant last night on CBS was way out of line. He did more than give his opinion.
Kevin said:
posted on December 3, 2006 3:05 PM — 68.42.116.35 — link — abuse?
Chief,
Michigan is the 2nd best team in the Big 10 and the 2nd best team in the nation.Their snubbing goes against everything that the BCS was created to achieve:
#1 vs #2.
Meyer is going to get a chance to demonstrate just how little water the "SEC is tougher" argument holds.
OSU is going to crush them. I hope UM does the same with USC.
richard said:
posted on December 3, 2006 3:05 PM — 68.41.240.166 — link — abuse?
i think florida is gonna get beat down by ohio state, michigan is the only one that can beat them, u are all stupid for sayin u dont want a rematch because its not suppose to be a rematch its suppose to be the number 1 team againts 2 and florida is not tha good there last 5 games hwere aginst nobodys. vote michigan 1000, florida 25, i think wisconsin has a better shot at beatin ohio state than florida
Ken Gmerek said:
posted on December 3, 2006 3:08 PM — 71.227.89.107 — link — abuse?
this should have NOTHING to do with Michigan already playing Ohio State, last time I checked the BCS was about putting the two best teams in a championship game. By using the "no rematches" theory, Michigan would be number two if they played 1AA Western Carolina (like Florida did) instead of playing Ohio State. Also, how can the SEC be considered a better conference when three BigTen teams are currently in the Top 25? The human polls need to stop using politics when voting and start ranking teams the right way; that is if two teams play 9 times, the higher ranked team should win atleast 5.
screw florida said:
posted on December 3, 2006 3:15 PM — 68.18.61.223 — link — abuse?
this is complete bull shit...florida gets their only national championshipo thanks to a rematch... right after they were beat by 3 in florida state.... now michigan loses by 3 in ohio state and they don't get a rematch? the florida program is disgusting and slowly becoming the miami of the 80's...thugish...
f*** florida...they don't deserve this crap... i hope they get killed by ohio state
posted on December 3, 2006 3:19 PM — link — abuse?
No harm, no foul, Jon. On another note, there are a couple of releases coming up that are embargoed, so I gotta watch comments a little that might contain that stuff, otherwise we get cut out of the loop long-term.
posted on December 3, 2006 3:25 PM — link — abuse?
Tressell asked to abstain from the Coaches poll - pretty customary in this situation.
melissa said:
posted on December 3, 2006 3:26 PM — 128.227.66.79 — link — abuse?
if there is such a huge controversy over who should play Ohio, i dont understand why they dont create a special play-off b/w Michigan and Florida? is that breaking some special rule they have or something? I think this would be the fairest way -
melissa said:
posted on December 3, 2006 3:30 PM — 128.227.66.79 — link — abuse?
if there is such a huge controversy over who should be number 2, i dont understand why they cant just form a special playoff game b/w Florida and Michigan. does that go against some special rule or something? - If florida thinks they deserve to be number 2, let them prove themselves against michigan first. if michigan thinks they deserve # 2, let 'em beat florida - i think this is the fairest way.
ohio state said:
posted on December 3, 2006 3:31 PM — 24.210.140.52 — link — abuse?
We have already played Michigan and beat them..what more do we need to prove? Weve played to number two team twice already this season! Michigan had their chance now another team from a different conference deserves to play us. FUCK THE REMATCH with michigan. god damn..theyve already lost..get over it.
mark said:
posted on December 3, 2006 3:32 PM — 207.18.56.9 — link — abuse?
rememeber big blue,
when florida got that rematch vs FSU the BCS wasnt out. also, what merit or facts do we have to support the dickhead that called FLA the miami of the era? I understand being pissed, but you make yourself appear like an idiot with those comments.
mark
GatorMatt said:
posted on December 3, 2006 3:34 PM — 65.40.42.140 — link — abuse?
Ken,
The Big 10 has 3 teams in the top 25, the SEC has 3 teams in the top 10. And the reason Florida got a rematch in '96 was b/c they didn't have the gay BCS around then, it was simply up to the voters. And by the way, you guys can complain all you want to just like IrishJT, but do any of you have any voting power in the polls? I didn't think so. Until you do, you just have opinions, which are neither right nor wrong. You may think that Ohio State would kill Florida, but according to Tommie Trojan, USC was going to kill UCLA. We all saw how that one turned out. The BCS sucks, but this time it looks like it's going to work out in Florida's favor
Gatorpilot said:
posted on December 3, 2006 3:40 PM — 70.121.100.84 — link — abuse?
Gators... always the Gators.
Gators over Arkansas.
Gators over Tennessee.
Gators over Georgia.
Gators over FSU.
Gators win. Gators win. Gators win!
Florida LB Brandon Siler: "We're the Florida Gators, man. We're supposed to win."
T-Mac said:
posted on December 3, 2006 3:40 PM — 66.78.164.162 — link — abuse?
screw Florida, very insightful post #12. Joking. You need to learn a little about football bro. Michigan had their chance and blew it dogg. Florida won the SEC along with the toughest schedule in the country. Florida deserves to go. Plain and simple. Michigan didn't win their conference man. If they would have then you would have a valid arguement, but you don't. Why do you have such hatred and animosity for Florida bro? I'm just curious. I don't know you. T-Mac
Luke said:
posted on December 3, 2006 3:40 PM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?
Because Florida makes it to the national championship they are all of a sudden "thuggish?" What do you base your accusations on?? Florida has not been in any fights this season, No florida players have been ejected from a game, No florida players have gone to jail...don't make false accusations when you have no idea what you are talking about. Just because florida and miami are in the same state does not mean they are both thugs. IF you know anything about Florida you would know that Miami, one of the biggest cities in the united states, and Gainesville, with a population of 120,000, have pretty much nothing in common.
So in response to your post "screw florida," Screw you.volstrike3 said:
posted on December 3, 2006 3:41 PM — 75.20.190.14 — link — abuse?
Ken Gmerek,
Do you not pay attention? The SEC has 5 teams in the top 25. I think there should be 6, Georgia will win their bowl game and finish in the top 25. Florida has played and beaten more ranked teams, is a conference champ and also has a much higher SOS. This really is a no brainer.
I would not mind seeing SEC vs. Big 10 across the board.
Fla vs. OSU
LSU vs. Mich
Aub/Tenn vs. Wisc
Aub/Tenn Vs. Penn State
posted on December 3, 2006 3:49 PM — 69.73.43.95 — link — abuse?
I just ran my spread sheet BCS calculator and looked at the computer rankings from last week. Florida was behind USC in every computer ranking last week. they will gain four computer votes. Michigan will likely pick up 2 computer votes for a net gain of .0067 points for Florida. With the USA Today results in, Florida would need either to pass Michigan in one of the computers or get 10 more points than Michigan in the Harris poll.
It is not a sure thing, but Florida looks to be sitting good right now.
jimmy said:
posted on December 3, 2006 3:50 PM — 216.15.33.233 — link — abuse?
OK for the record:
Florida did luck into the Nat'l title in 1996 by beating FSU in a rematch. But that was not a BCS 1-2 title game like this rematch would be. Florida got lucky with other top teams losing, but they were playing another one loss team, and everyone knew they were the title team at the end of the day.
THis is not the same situation. What happens if Mich beats OSU? you play a 3rd game?
and give me a break, does anyone think that Florida isnt playing in a much better confrence with a much harder schedule? OSU and UM may be the best 2 teams, but there's no real way to know it given that they're playing in a 2 team conference.
Jonathan said:
posted on December 3, 2006 3:57 PM — 65.218.200.126 — link — abuse?
I really think the Mi should be in the game with OH. Gators have had the Toughest schdule in the nation. If you want style points and you want a good game Gators and Oh.
This is what I think #1 and #2 and that would be OH and Gators.
The Chief said:
posted on December 3, 2006 4:00 PM — 207.172.105.82 — link — abuse?
Post 26 volstrike:
I agree. Instead of going by who has the most teams in the top 25 (which changes every year), I'd love to see some of those matchups.Sadly with this current system, rankings mean NOTHING and EVERYTHING. Take LSU and Wisconsin for example. LSU is #4 but they've played 4 teams ranked in the BCS and come out with two losses while Wisconsin has played exactly ONE ranked team this season and lost that game. Point proven.
Vince said:
posted on December 3, 2006 4:00 PM — 24.48.148.134 — link — abuse?
Florida and Ohio St.- These are the two teams that played the most impressive regular seasons this year in college football based on who they played and beat. When you look at Michigan's resume and best wins this season, it just doesnt stack up to Florida's. There are only a limited number of games to be played in a college football season, and if there were to be a Michigan-Ohio St. rematch, the winner would have a less legitimate undisputed claim to the being the National Champion. W hy? Because if Michigan wins, they merely would have spilt the season series with Ohio St. If Ohio St. wins a rematch, their claim to a National Championship would not have as much legitimacy and broad a consensus had they played a top ranked non Big 10-conference team from the SEC or other conference. While we need a playoff- preferably an 8 team playoff- this is the fairest outcome possible in this imperfect BCS system.
Michael said:
posted on December 3, 2006 4:08 PM — 67.49.60.23 — link — abuse?
Reply to Snafu & Ed's posts, 87 & 91:
FACTS don't lie! BOTH U of M & FA played the SAME SEC opponent, VANDERBILT this year. Guess what the final scores were? That's right, MICHIGAN humbled VANDY 27-7 while FA barely escaped embarrassment again, 25-19! NOBODY bothers to bring that up, especially because as you said, "THE TRUTH HURTS!" Gators grumbling...
Also, if FA gets in it's because of the SEC COMMISSIONER being the BCS COORDINATOR. OHH! Now there's a shocker! Talk about stacked decks!
PLAYERS and NOT ref's or blown rules calls should decide final outcomes,thus we still long for a PLAYOFF where all TEAMS PUT UP or SHUT UP!, but that is the HUMAN factor, and although there are 6 Computer rankings to be averaged for the BCS, everyone knows that all these POLLS, in which neither CARR nor TRESSEL voted for the Coaches' Poll BTW ( CARR never lobbied for U of M unlike Urban Meyer who has been pontificating like a preacher pounding a pulpit from a proud papa's POV simply because his child's birth was the most recent) are RECENCY stilted/biased!
Hey FA, if we want to celebrate any child's birth at this hallowed time of year (i.e. Christmas) it shouldn't be an ill-begotten BERTH to the BCS for FA, but instead the virgin birth of CHRIST our Lord!
My BLUE hat's off to LLOYD CARR as a coach over Urban "motor mouth" Mayer, as CARR has definitely showed much more sterling character through all this than Mayer.
Brendon said:
posted on December 3, 2006 4:17 PM — 4.235.153.200 — link — abuse?
Everybody keeps writing about how the NCG should consist of the 2 best teams in the country and I agree. My gripe is with what makes everybody so sure the Michigan is the 2nd best team? Sure their lone loss was dealt at the hands of the number 1 team in nation but, this alone doesn't make them number 2. Their only quality wins were against Wisconsin and Notre Dame. Notre Dame and Wisconsin can not be classified as good beyond what they are arbitrarily ranked in the polls. Their schedules are ridiculously easy. Ohio State on the other hand beat Penn State, Iowa, Texas, and Michigan. All of these teams were ranked at the time of play but now only Texas and Michigan are left ranked and Texas is 18th in the polls. Why are we so sure Ohio State is the best team in the country? Michigan and Ohio played inside their bubble and Michigan lost. Done deal. The only way we can determine who the best team in country is, would be to allow these teams to play outside their bubbles. The polls prove nothing. Let Florida play Ohio State and the chips fall where they will.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 3, 2006 4:18 PM — 216.46.210.198 — link — abuse?
Tommie trojan,if I were you,I would be shaking in my boots!
USC will get handed their third loss!MICHIGAN FAN'S QUIT SHOOTING YOUR MOUTHS OFF AND GET EXCITED ABOUT THE GRANDDADDY OF EM ALL!
MICHIGAN WAS NOT EXPECTED TO GET TO THE ROSEBOWL TO START THE SEASON,SO MICHIGAN HAS MET AND EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS!GOOOOOOO BLUE!
GatorBrad said:
posted on December 3, 2006 4:22 PM — 72.19.161.12 — link — abuse?
It's great to be a Florida Gator.
Everyone wants to be a Gator.
But everyone can't.Everyone says OSU will rip FL. Well, I would argue that OSU/UM and USC till yesterday haven't played a defense the likes of UF.
When there is no speed on the other side of the ball, it's easy to have a powerhouse offense.
Case in point, USC yesterday. UCLA was the first decent defensive team they had faced - what happened to that 'juggernaut' offense?These teams should try playing in the SEC where there is defense week in and week out.
Marko said:
posted on December 3, 2006 4:28 PM — 70.127.205.96 — link — abuse?
Congratulation to the Ohio State Buckeyes for winning the National Championship today.
The sacrificial lambs(Florida) will be slaughtered in Glendale, thanks to the pollsters that vote against a rematch instead of sticking to their principles and voting for the 2nd best team in the country.
Ohio State 53 - Florida 3
Le said:
posted on December 3, 2006 4:28 PM — 67.113.153.212 — link — abuse?
Looks like the polls are favoring Florida, so this is somewhat of a moot point but...
Suppose Michgian were to get their rematch AND beat OSU in the championship game, what the hell does that prove? They would have each beaten each other once in back to back games. How could you then crown Michican the undisputed national champs?
People are are trying to make this case that the game is about pitting #1 vs. #2, but isn't this really about trying to give us an undisputed national champion? I think an OSU vs. Florida game does that better than an OSU vs. Michigan game.
jeff says said:
posted on December 3, 2006 4:31 PM — 69.242.211.181 — link — abuse?
I think what has Michigan fans upset is the way Urban Meyer bad mouthed U-M for the last two weeks while Lloyd Carr refused to say anything negative about Florida. Regardless of who makes it to the game, Meyer was pretty classless to not only lobby so hard for it, but to also bad mouth another program in the progress. Michigan took the classy approach, Florida took the classless approach. I think Meyer owes Carr an apology, and I saw several commentators on TV this morning echo that sentiment.
Luke said:
posted on December 3, 2006 4:48 PM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?
Guess what michigan fans? Coaches become famous for winning championships, not for being respectful and bowing out. If your coach wanted the championship he should have done just what meyer is doing. Who can blame meyer he is a smart man. If you sit around and let people give u shit, shit is what u will get. Have fun eating it michigan!!!
Florida's in the championship baby. Yeah marko how do u like that sucker? Be realistic with your posts, ohio state has not won already. I think ohio state is overrated and could lose to UF by more than a touchdown. Ohio States beat 2 teams in the top 25.
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 3, 2006 4:56 PM — 75.20.190.14 — link — abuse?
Marko,
You are truely out of your mind if you think Florida is a sacrificial lamb. OSU is a good football team but they are hardly unbeatable. They have not been battle tested. That win agaist Texas has been somewhat tainted and nobody really knows how good UM is. Sure they beat ND, who in the top 20 wouldn't?
saturdaze said:
posted on December 3, 2006 5:00 PM — 71.3.12.208 — link — abuse?
Who cares by how many points a team wins by? It's W's and L's. Was it so long ago that Ohio State won every game in dramatic fashion by 1 or only a few points to go to the national championship. Everyone said Miami was going to wax them in the NC game. Who won??? Refresh my memory please. The scenarios of our team beat this team by this many and your team only won by this much is moronic. There are a thousand factors that weigh into each game ( including that your watching a bunch of 18 to 21 year olds). It's a game. It's for entertainment purposes only. Florida or Ohio State winning doesn't end world hunger. It doesn't end wars. It's a freakin 18 year olds game for entertainment.
TNGator said:
posted on December 3, 2006 5:05 PM — 4.154.62.42 — link — abuse?
Well, it is good to finally see the shoe on the other foot and someone other than an SEC school being shut out in the cold, sucks doesn't it?
We need a playoff system even if it's the Final Four.
Let the whining commence.......
Hudson said:
posted on December 3, 2006 5:05 PM — 72.187.182.70 — link — abuse?
I love it that everyone knows just how badly Ohio State will beat Florida. How about some of these other nuggets of common knowledge from the recent past?
"Ohio State has no chance against the powerhouse of Miami"- January 2003
"I expect the USC tandem of Bush, Leinart, and White to be just too much for Texas"- January 2006
"USC will easily beat UCLA and make their reservations for Glendale"- December 1, 2006
Now "Ohio State will slaughter the Gators- only Michigan is capable of taking them down". Whatever. Let me tell you something about Florida. They are the toughest team anyone will face all year. They have fought tooth and nail week after week in the toughest schedule in the toughest conference in college football. They have weapons on both sides of the ball, a defense that does not usually give up more than 20 points, and special teams that block kicks and make plays when needed. They have battle scars on their battle scars. Bottom line is, Florida just knows how to win, and if their offense is clicking, I think they're the most dangerous team in football and could hang with Ohio State at least as well as Michigan. Now we'll get a chance to find out.
RealityGl said:
posted on December 3, 2006 5:12 PM — 71.65.37.178 — link — abuse?
The Big Ten has 3 teams in the top 5/ 6 alone,while the SEC only has 2. How is the SEC a better conference? Why are voters so afraid to give a hats off to the Big 10 for producing the nations top teams this year? Why should a team be penalized for already playing a team and penalized for playing less games? This is why Florida is going, not because of their merit,because its pretty clear who is the better team, but because of the noit wanting a rematch and SEC egos. And of course Ohio State wants to play Florida, why risk getting beaten by the true #2 MI team in the nation when you can slaughter Florida?
zieb said:
posted on December 3, 2006 5:33 PM — 65.92.206.187 — link — abuse?
What’s with these SEC coaches trying to whine their way into a national championship game?
The Gator Nation should be ashamed. The only reason Florida has its one and only national championship is because the Gators got a mulligan and got to play FSU again. Bottom line, Urban, your team is not that good and wouldn’t last five minutes with Michigan, Ohio State or USC.Christine said:
posted on December 3, 2006 5:40 PM — 75.22.29.227 — link — abuse?
Michigan is the second best team in the country, and likely the only team that could potentially beat OSU - they came within 3 at OSU, on a neutral field they could win. So they will be ranked #2 again after OSU spanks FL!
FL is not as great as everyone on here (apparently FL grads, judging by the poor grammar and spelling) seems to think. That will be proven on Jan 8!
Gatorpilot said:
posted on December 3, 2006 5:44 PM — 70.121.100.84 — link — abuse?
Keep thinking that, Kev. Keep thinking that. We love it.
Can't WAIT to play OSU. The speed and power of the SEC's finest team meets the Big 10.
Not only will the Gators dodge a "spankin'," I think we'll win the whole dadgum thing.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 3, 2006 5:45 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Michigan is the 2nd best team in terms of how they've all "Looked"... but what Florida accomplished in their overall schedule is more than what Michigan did.
Its not a matter of "who's fault it is" or about placing "blame" on something or other, it is what it is -- we cant be selective with our reasoning/logic.
jimmy said:
posted on December 3, 2006 5:53 PM — 216.15.33.233 — link — abuse?
Reality GI:
does anyone on the planet think that Wisconsin deserves to be in the top 6? Please.consult their schedule for evidence:
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/wwo/schedule
Tennessee or Auburn or LSU or Arkansas would eat Wisconsin alive, and have all at least beat ONE GOOD TEAM.
The Big Ten may have 2 good teams, but that's it. It's a 2 team conference.
SoonerTaft said:
posted on December 3, 2006 5:56 PM — 68.97.9.76 — link — abuse?
Luke, you are an idiot. Miami isn't even close to "one of the largest cities in the U.S." Miami barely makes top 50, actually Oklahoma City beats Miami by 17 states as having a larger population.
I love my World Almanac. Know your shit.Don V said:
posted on December 3, 2006 5:56 PM — 70.119.92.96 — link — abuse?
I must've missed it with my orange and blue ears because I hear a lot of Michigan fans saying Meyer insulted the Michigan program. I don't remember any of that - the closest statement I remember is "The other team had a shot." If that's an insult guys, toughen up. Otherwise, give me a verifable quote where he insulted the Michigan program. No question he was campaigning, but he was working his butt off to get his team where he thought they belonged. Not sure how you can think less of him for that.
Nice to see Carr take it so well today, directly attacking Meyer. Well done and it fits the UM fans in here - taking personal shots at the Gators.
Now, as far as Danielson goes, he was just mimicing what we saw all day on ABC/ESPN where every time they mentioned USC/UCLA, it was "If USC wins, they go to the title game." Sorry, it should not have been a fait accompli at that point. What if USC wins on a last second play and Florida had blown out Arky by 40? Glad it was all irrelevant, but if you're going to beat on Danielson, take it out on all the media.
PopsMich said:
posted on December 3, 2006 5:58 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Sober Assessment:
Congratulations UF and good luck on Jan 8th. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.Now listen closely. You are not the 2nd best team in the country today. You are the beneficiary of voters failing to execute their duty, being to choose the 2 best teams. Instead, the bias of not winning your conference and not wanting to see a rematch got you over the top.
USC conveniently fit the bill until yesterday. Their loss necessitated your leapfrog to No. 2. That is the only way to explain how you suddenly picked up about 1/2 of the 2nd place votes in all Polls.
I'm not bitter, since as a college football fan I actually prefer the matchups we're getting. As a Michigan fan, I'd love to see UM get a shot at the NC, but that won't happen.
The BCS ranking is only flawed since it promises the best 2 teams without limitation. Today's events clearly show that is NOT the case, but instead a process of preference.
At least a playoff system delivers as promised - win and you're in. It doesn't promise the 2 best teams, just the winners. Sometimes we even get the 2 best teams. In general, as fans, we're more accepting of that, and the college Presidents should end this madness.
The BCS analyst on ESPN did an excellent job of breaking this down. Listen to him closely, and you get the same message - Michigan is the 2nd best team, but not the preferred opponent for OSU.
Good Luck Gators. I'll be pulling for you.
Luke said:
posted on December 3, 2006 6:04 PM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?
Ok Sooner, in my opinion the top 50 cities is "one of the largest." since there are thousands of cities. Wow you guys argue about everything. Basically in comparison to gainesville, Miami is a shitload bigger, how about that for you?
posted on December 3, 2006 6:06 PM — link — abuse?
Guys - City size & demographics are **way** off topic. Take it offline via email, please.
terzo22 said:
posted on December 3, 2006 6:17 PM — 65.80.239.84 — link — abuse?
You Florida fans are sick, last week there was no talk of how FL would run all over OSU. NO, you Florida fans were just hoping something crazy would happen and maybe you would get a shot. Now that it happens you guys really show your class, instead of feeling lucky to get in you switch to being arrogant and basically calling OSU overrated. Let me tell you something its the furthest thing from the truth. How do you go from being humble to being arrogant in a day? Just be thankful you get a shot and anything could happen, but don't dare try to decipher the game or tell me why Florida is going to win. You guys dropped the ball this season your just lucky everyone else besides Ohio St. did too. Ohio St. has nothing to prove to anyone its Florida who has to prove they belong. Just try not to get blown out and that might be possible.
Don V said:
posted on December 3, 2006 6:18 PM — 70.119.92.96 — link — abuse?
PopsMich:
Thanks for the wishes and it brings up a good point. If the Gators are truly in the MNC, I hope and would expect we have the support of the Wolverines.
As far as who's the #2 team, no one knows. Everyone has opinions - without MULTIPLE common opponents, I don't know how you can unequivocately state Michigan is #2.
Good luck and take out USC, if that ends up being the opponent.
GatorMatt said:
posted on December 3, 2006 6:18 PM — 65.40.42.140 — link — abuse?
Ok seriously, this is getting ridiculous. The only way to know if a team is the "best in the country" is to have every team play a 119 game schedule and play every division 1 team. that would be a game about every 3 days. Until then, it is left up to the voters. Michigan fans, please stop whining. Your boys had their chance to beat Ohio State and move up to number one, and couldn't do it. Step back and let someone else try. And for the record, I'd love to see Troy Smith's passing game with Reggie Nelson roaming around the secondary. You don't become one of the 3 best defensive players in the country without earning it
RealityGl said:
posted on December 3, 2006 6:20 PM — 71.65.37.178 — link — abuse?
jimmy-
so are you for or against the current system? Wisconsin is rated as high as they are because...they recieved for votes from coaches and the press than the SEC teams ranked BELOW them. Maybe YOU should be the one checking out the stats..
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2006&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotdef&site=org
Wisconsin in #3 in the country in total defense and #2 in the country in passing defense. Not deservant?
What planet are YOU from?
jerry said:
posted on December 3, 2006 6:26 PM — 24.158.125.117 — link — abuse?
kevin and marko must be blinded by stupidness, or just crazy fans. In the mid 80's the polls and press said the same thing about the miami and alabama championship. Everyone was so convienced miami would whip bama.If your old enough to rem. bama won by more than 30 points. Just because miami looked like a powerhouse in that div..
I would hardly say just having a faily good tailback and pretty good off. line make ohio a powerhouse( hudson ).
Volstrike and chief are right the big 10 and sec are the the best div in the ncaa. If Ohio had lost 3 games and won that div. they could argue the fact they should be there. The sec feels the same.
I am a vol and watched tenn get some very con. calls from the officials against fla and lsu. And the polls didn't give us the same previledge as mich. Much less letting two sec teams play twice for it.
Personaly I dislike fla., and ark just plainly whiped us. Florida should go being sec champs.The sec champs should always play for the title knowing the sced. to get there!
After florida beats ohio by at least 10 points, they will keep that no.1 rank going into next year. And the vols get to go down to the swomp and get some pay back. you big 10 babys!
GO VOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LATimes said:
posted on December 3, 2006 6:27 PM — 69.171.49.181 — link — abuse?
It's over guys. The LA Times is reporting that a BCS source has confirmed that Florida is #2 in the final standings. http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-bcs4dec04,0,948269.story?coll=la-home-sports
trueblue said:
posted on December 3, 2006 6:28 PM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
Michigan is the #2 team in the country. Florida, congrats your whining and politicing may have bought you trip to Arizona, but youll be crushed. Michigan WOULD BEAT OHIO STATE, OSU knows, thats why they didnt vote. HERES A GREAT POINT FOR MICHIGAN FANS TO MAKE---IF USC WON, WOULD FLORIDA HAVE PASSED YOU AND MOVED TO #3 !!!HELL NO!!!! If Carr wont campaign ,I will . Its all about $$$$$$$
BO is in heaven watching this and cursed is what Florida and everyone voting for Florida will feel after OSU wipes the floor with you!!!!!!EastTexasBlue said:
posted on December 3, 2006 6:30 PM — 74.192.221.175 — link — abuse?
I have been reading blogs and debating since last night(I know...I know..get a life..) and what is blatently missing from all trash being talked is any Florida or SEC fan suggesting that they can actually beat OSU! I bleed Blue, and have no doubt that a neutral re-match gives us a win this time!! I also heard Danielson's ignorant ass say while showing his ridiculous "plus and minus win system" that you should look at the the "wins and losses and not give this situation the eyeball test". Awesome!!! OK. The Iowa State and Ohio State teams both have QB's with great stas, but how do i know who is better? I WATCH THEM!!!That statement is the equivalent of dating a chick who "has a great personality" over the hotter, more well-rounded blonde!!! I mean, both ARE women, right?
I watch way too much football to think that fla has a chance in the game, and Meyer and Leak will both choke on the pressure!! How many gadget plays can OSU shut down with their speed? Seriously, will Leak actually finish this game, or will they have to bring in Tebow(True Frosh) to help the senior "leader" out in the first quarter, after OSU blitzes during warm-ups? How does fla deal with a team that passes more than 30 times per game, down the field?
Watch and see what you hear from the SEC and fla fans: CONFERENCE Title respect and not much else. So what about your conference?? 3 Big Ten teams would have won your conference this year, so you can f-ing have it! I also hear about your fans being the best in the country. I love your fans SEC, but fans can't play the games, they can only live vicariously through the players to forget their miserable existence in the swamps and jail cells of your lands! I would be a GREAT SEC football fan too, if it meant that grandpa stopped chasing me around the trailer for sex during those long boring games...but I digress...
The really sad part of this is that we miss a great game because of politics and money. I was rooting for USC, because I saw this debacle coming, and at least wanted to see a great championship game. I now know that I will not.
Congrats SEC you didn't get screwed again.... College football fans did.
RealityGl said:
posted on December 3, 2006 6:31 PM — 71.65.37.178 — link — abuse?
Wisconsin in total offense is better than 10 of the reams in the SEC and 11 teams in the SEC in total defense (via NCAA OFFICIAL STATS and not crappy yahoo).
Rich and to To those who tell UM fans to stop whining...The polls show that HALF this country thinks UM is the true #2, and I fully doubt that half the country are UM fans.
SoonerTaft said:
posted on December 3, 2006 6:32 PM — 68.97.9.76 — link — abuse?
Sorry Kevin, just trying to hold facts accountable.
On another note, Florida does not deserve to play OSU. The only reason Michigan lost was because it was at OSU. Now let the two best teams play on neutral site. End of story.
PopsMich said:
posted on December 3, 2006 6:48 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Don V. - I'll be pulling for Florida.
As for #2, its opinion (of course). Be open minded and listen (rather than talking trash to OSU). Read this from Terry Bowden
Also, listen (very closely) to what the BCS Analyst on ESPN is saying. I forget his name, but he's all over this stuff.Ash said:
posted on December 3, 2006 6:51 PM — 71.52.20.71 — link — abuse?
Everyone is already counting the Gators out, when they play Ohio State, man have I heard that before. But I guess thats why they play the game on the field and not on a computer. We will see Jan 8th, as hard as this is being a Seminole Fan Go Gators.
Luke said:
posted on December 3, 2006 6:56 PM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?
Wisonsin should be #1 in the country in total defense and passing defense considering they play highschools almost all season.
And Ohio State does have 1 more thing left to prove, that they can hang with the SEC. They beat Florida and ohio state gets my respect. As for michigan, over-rated.
Nattie Title said:
posted on December 3, 2006 6:59 PM — 76.182.169.174 — link — abuse?
For those of you who say a re-match is in order because other NCAA sanctioned sports (like in college basketball) offer them, you are comparing 2 entirely different scenerios. If football had a playoff, Ohio State would be rewarded for being unbeaten during the regular season and beating 'tsun' (the school up north) by NOT having to turn right around and play one game to hand the arch-rival a National Title. They would play a lesser ranked team (not an easy opponent) and then, if each won their way to the title game, would/should lay it all on the line. Otherwise, having to play an arch rival back to back in college football, a game where emotion and redemption play huge roles (see USC vs. UCLA), is ridiculous to say the least. The team that wins the first game is put at a distinct disadvantage in the re-match. There is nothing fair or right about that. Why should a team have to beat their arch-rival twice to win what the loser of game one only has to win once? That thinking is totally without basis or reason. Then again, in an insane world, it is the sane who are crazy!
In college basketball, name one circumstance where a top-ranked team wins their conference championship and has to turn around and in the first game of NCAA tournament and play their arch-rival for the National Title? You can't because it has never hapened and never ever will.
Only a play-off will settle some of the flaws in the BCS. I am no fan of a re-match even if Ohio State had lost and I am a huge fan. That would be ridiculously unfair to 'tsun' for doing what they did when they needed to do it. I would also add that not a single fan of the 'tusn' would want a re-match had you won in Columbus on Nov. 18, giving Ohio State one chance to win the national championship when you needed to accomplish that fete twice!
The argument that 'tsun' only lost on the road by 3 is without basis, too. The last time I checked, a loss is a loss, period. The score of that game was NOT indicative of what actually took place in the game (OSU over 500 yards in total offense but 3 TO's, 2 botched snaps from center deep in OSU territory that were NOT caused by the defense, was the ONLY thing that kept the game close).
One more thing is that for the many of you who are claiming 'tsun' is the 2nd best team in the country, there is simply no real way to know that. All emotion and rooting interests aside, Florida had a great year and won their way into the title game (if that is what happens). Florida has a terrific argument for being in the game just as fans of 'tsun' feel they do. You can point to any announcer or prognasticator and use them as examples of people who side with you but, the truth be known, there is someone of note saying the exact opposite about the other team. The ONLY truth is that we don't know who is better, Florida or 'tsun.'
Go Bucks!
Gatorbait said:
posted on December 3, 2006 7:09 PM — 70.244.180.129 — link — abuse?
No matter what happens in 57 minutes, someone is going to be on the outside looking in and it's goign to be unfair. Ultimately, this is a good thing bc it will 100% warrant a change to the current system. Why not have OSU play LSU and MICH play FLORIDA then have the two winners meet a week later. Sounds pretty simple to me, and I think we will have that in 2008. I hope the Gators get a shot at OSU, and I think OSU fans would want the same thing. Not because FLA would be a sure win, like previous idiotic posts mentioned above, but because IF OSU did beat FLA they would be the undisputed champs bc they beat a conference champ from the best conference in football. If they played michigan and won, everyone would say, "Yea, but...they already proved they could beat them, they just did it again, or they didnt even play another conference champ, etc. It makes the most since to end the questioning and let the conference champ from the best conference play the current undisputed #1 team in the country. Go Gators.
SEC-4-Prez said:
posted on December 3, 2006 7:11 PM — 71.206.249.201 — link — abuse?
It's fun to think about the big ol' sh1t burger all the Big-10 band-waggoners will be eating when "The OSU" faces a team from the best conference in the nation...this isn't Cincinnati, Bowling Green or the Fightin' Zookers...OSU's got lots of speed, but last I checked, Florida isn't slow either...
You Eff Fan said:
posted on December 3, 2006 7:11 PM — 68.233.60.96 — link — abuse?
To all you sore ass Michigan fans who do not give UF a chance against Ohio State: Keep that talk coming, cause it is the same crapola we heard at last year's basketball finals. We love the underdog position! One by one the so called giants were chomped by the Gators until we stood alone with the Championship! Here we go again with football!
Prediction: Ohio State 17, UF 30
Don V said:
posted on December 3, 2006 7:14 PM — 70.119.92.96 — link — abuse?
Sorry, PopsMich, if you have Terry Bowden on your side, run away. We have him as the drive-time talk show host here in Orlando and he's not very good (to put it kindly). He's good at showing his ignorance.
That said, I understand all the points - that's not the point. If OSU blows our doors off, then you will have been right. Any other outcome and the point will be highly contested.
saturdaze said:
posted on December 3, 2006 7:17 PM — 71.3.12.208 — link — abuse?
Florida is in because they campaigned for it? Good for them. Their there. Mack Brown for a Texas BCS bid two years ago? Worked didn't it? LSU pre-selling tickets for a BCS game, politicing? In the Sugar/BCS game. It's all about money.
HawkEye said:
posted on December 3, 2006 7:18 PM — 69.19.14.15 — link — abuse?
Here are the cold, hard facts when comparing the Gators and Wolverines:
1. Florida beat nine teams that are projected to play in bowl games. Michigan beat six.
2. Michigan beat five teams that finished the season with losing records. Florida beat two teams with sub-.500 records.3. Florida's 12 Division I-A opponents had a combined record of 89-57. Michigan's 12 opponents had a combined record of 84-61.
4. Michigan's best win is considered a 27-13 victory over Wisconsin on Sept. 23. The Badgers are 11-1 and have climbed to No. 7 in the AP Top 25 poll, despite having played only one ranked opponent -- the Wolverines -- the entire season.
5. The 12 teams Florida defeated finished the season with 11 combined wins against opponents which were ranked in the AP Top 25 poll at the time the game was played. The opponents Michigan defeated claim just three wins against ranked teams (Notre Dame beat Penn State. Indiana beat Iowa. Vanderbilt beat Georgia. The Nittany Lions, Hawkeyes and Bulldogs, it should be noted, haven't been ranked in seven weeks).
6. The Gators went 3-1 against ranked opponents, beating then-No. 13 Tennessee, No. 9 LSU and No. 8 Arkansas and losing at No. 11 Auburn. The Wolverines went 1-1 against ranked opponents, beating a highly overrated No. 2 Notre Dame team (that lost to Michigan and USC by a combined total of 46 points) and losing at No. 1 Ohio State 42-39 on Nov. 18.
7. The Gators' average margin of victory against Division I-A teams was 13.5 points. They won seven games by 14 points or fewer, six by less than 10. The Wolverines' average margin of victory was 17.3 points. They won six games by 14 points or fewer, two by less than 10.
8. The Gators played Western Carolina, a Division I-AA team, and won by 62 points. The Wolverines played Ball State, which should be a I-AA team, and won by eight.
9. Since the Wolverines last played and lost at Ohio State, the Gators won at Florida State (The Seminoles are 6-6, but rivalry games are tough to win. Just ask USC coach Pete Carroll) and then beat the No. 8 Razorbacks, who defeated then-No. 2 Auburn and No. 13 Tennessee by 17 points each.
10. Michigan didn't win the Big Ten; Florida won the SEC. Winning your conference should be a prerequisite for playing in the national championship.
AshMD said:
posted on December 3, 2006 7:20 PM — 71.65.37.178 — link — abuse?
And there are no "highschools" in the SEC? Right...
If your going to play a less competitive team, then you better win it big, as Wisconsin has done.
The majority of LSUs schedule was made up of "highschools" (your words to describe a less competitive team, how very insulting to many many teams)...
The SEC has always had the biggest ego in college football, so I guess i can't expect much more from them.rebel1222 said:
posted on December 3, 2006 7:23 PM — 12.175.230.57 — link — abuse?
Man, Stop whining about Michigan. THEY PLAYED A WEAK ASS SCHEDULE! Who did they play other than Ohio state? Wisconsin and Notre Dame is it. Ball state Northwestern, etc, etc.
They don't deserve a another shot. I can't beleieve a team with that weak a scedule is even in the top 5. I'm not even a Gator fan. But I can read the schedules. For someeone not to acknowlege the weak schedule of Michigan means that they are deluded, or blinded by their loyalty to their team.
Hey, I've got an idea. Both Michigan and Florida have the next couple weeks off. Why don't they play each other at a neutral site? Winner plays ohio state.
Gator Boys said:
posted on December 3, 2006 7:26 PM — 64.238.162.154 — link — abuse?
You guys quit hating on Urban Meyer. What he says is true and you cant blame him for feeling cheated if UF doesnt get in. I'm sure Carr knows that UF deserves it more, thats why he's not going out and saying UM deserves it.
Jerry, what you say is mostly true, but about the calls in the UT-UF game, UT definately got the advantage. James Returned a kick for a TD and they called a block in the Side a block in the back. James was also going to return another kick for a TD but the kicker stuck out his foot and tripped him. No call. Other than that, yea, SEC rules, go gators
RealityGl said:
posted on December 3, 2006 7:36 PM — 71.65.37.178 — link — abuse?
UM weak schedule??????
Please...know your facts before you run your mouth off with BS....
Overall Strength of schedule:
UF #1 0.637, #2 UM 0.624
I don't see a weak schedule there (less than a hundreth of a point from Florida)
posted on December 3, 2006 7:36 PM — link — abuse?
Update: 2006 BCS Bowl Games and National Championship have been released.
MBM30075 said:
posted on December 3, 2006 7:39 PM — 24.196.239.245 — link — abuse?
Everyone keeps talking about the strength of the Big 10. They say that the Big 10 is just solid top to bottom. Let's review (all rankings per current USA Today poll):
Big 10
1. OSU (#1) - a great, great team. Florida will have a tough game on their hands
2. Michigan (#3) - also a great team
3. Wisconsin (#5) - maybe a great team, but they need to play a tough team to prove this
The next best Big 10 team? 30th ranked Penn State.SEC
1. Florida (#2) - a team that has the chance to win the national title
2. LSU (#4) - a tough, tough team who was pretty close to being 12-0, not 10-2
3. Auburn (#10) - everyone is calling this team "an average Auburn team", but they're tough and very, very good
4. Arkansas (#13) - this is actually a little too low; they were penalized too much for losing against a great team
5. Tennessee (#18)
6. Georgia (#28)So, please tell me how the Big 10 is so much better than the SEC? I'm not trying to bash the Big 10, I just think we need to look at the facts. Also, until we have a lot of good out-of-conference games (and what incentive do most teams have to schedule them), it's hard to truly quantify who is better. Just for kicks, though, Jeff Sagarin of USA Today, one of the BCS's computers, ranks the conferences this way:
1. PAC-10
2. SEC
3. BIG EAST
4. BIG 10
5. BIG 12That's right, boys and girls. The Big 10 isn't first. It's not second. Not even third. In fact, the Big East (which can't be called a powerhouse conference) ranks tougher top to bottom.
Anyway, no matter what side you are on, everyone knows there is no great solution to this dilemma. Even a playoff system, which seems like it would be the best, has potential flaws. Still, that's what I'd like to see.
The fact remains, though, that Florida did everything they needed to do to have a shot at the title. Michigan did, too, but only 2 teams can play (right now).
One final thing, though - how is everyone SOOOO sure Michigan (and Wisconsin) would thrash Florida? What will you guys say if Florida wins?
USC4Ever said:
posted on December 3, 2006 7:57 PM — 71.233.38.236 — link — abuse?
It strikes me as odd that so many of you think that the Big Ten is a harder conference than the SEC. Give me a break. Sure the Big Ten has two great teams (Michigan and Ohio St.) and a good team (Wisconsin), but the rest of the teams in the conference...give me a break. Wisconsin's only game against a ranked opponent was Michigan! The total number of ranked teams beaten by Michigan's opponents is 3 - Notre Dame beat Penn State, Indiana beat Iowa, Vandy beat Georgia (Penn St, Indiana, and Vandy haven't been ranked for the last half of the season)! The Big 10 is not nearly as good as the SEC. To win the SEC conference a team has to play at least good if not great in every game. To have a one loss season in the SEC a team has to play to their potential with CONSISTENCY week in and week out...this CANNOT be said for the Big 10.
Go Trojans...can't wait for more PAC 10/SEC matchups!
screw florida said:
posted on December 3, 2006 8:34 PM — 68.221.22.66 — link — abuse?
wat is this bull crap i mean florida is terrible chris leak my butt michigan deserves to play more then them. idc wat u mite have to say michigan is better than florida and would destroy them. look wat they did to ND. I mean come on. And anotha thing BOISE STATE IN THE FRIGGEN BCS THEY SUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK. THERE CONFERENCE IS TERRIBLE AND SO R THEY. Michigan had a great season and florida did to but florida doesnt deserve crap.
Terry said:
posted on December 3, 2006 8:48 PM — 68.43.81.210 — link — abuse?
My response is to Brendon in post #38. Brendon says, " Their only quality wins were against Wisconsin and Notre Dame. Notre Dame and Wisconsin can not be classified as good beyond what they are arbitrarily ranked in the polls. Their schedules are ridiculously easy. Ohio State on the other hand beat Penn State, Iowa, Texas and Michigan."
Are you serious? Do you have a clue? On top of beating ND and Wisconsin, Michigan beat Iowa and Penn State just as Ohio State did. At least get your facts straight before making comments.
What amazes me is that before USC lost to UCLA no one gave Florida a chance of pulling ahead of Michigan. All of the discussions and articles posted were USC or Michigan? They didn't expect USC to lose and now the only reason Florida was voted ahead of Michigan is because they don't want to see the rematch. It's not about putting the two best teams in the game anymore. It's about not wanting to see OSU and Michigan play again. I don't agree with it but I don't blame the voters for wanting to see a different matchup. Michigan did have their chance at OSU and lost by 3 after losing their safety in the 1st qtr and being denied a chance to take the lead in the 4th qtr after a ridiculous helmet to helmet personal foul against Michigan on a 3rd and 15 play that was only called because it was on the OSU sideline. It's amazing the USC defender from yesterday that viciously speared the UCLA QB with his helmet didn't get a penalty. I wonder why, maybe because a call like that in a big game is awful! It looks like Michigan will get to play USC in the Rose Bowl which is the matchup I was hoping for if they didn't get the rematch.
As far as the SEC, it's a down year for the conference without a doubt. Florida struggled against an average at best South Carolina team at home. If it wasn't for a blocked extra point and 2 blocked field goals they don't win. Then there is the one common opponent Michigan and Florida do have, Vanderbilt. Michigan beat Vandy 27-7 and Florida struggled winning 25-19. The great Florida defense the Florida fans talk so highly of gave up almost double the yardage to Vandy compared to the Michigan's D. Ask Vanderbilt who was the better team?
I'm a huge college football fan, I'm not even a Michigan fan but the facts don't lie. If you Florida fans want to know, I'm an Alabama and SEC fan. I've been watching the SEC all my life and this year the conference is without a doubt on the downside. I'm not going to say Florida doesn't have a chance becasue they do. OSU is flawed and I believe they have a better chance at beating OSU than they would Michigan. My opinion, Michigan is a better team than OSU but the best team doesn't always win. That game was a tale of two halves and the Michigan defense didn't show up until the secondhalf they dominated. So be happy you're playing OSU Florida fan instead of Michigan. You might have a chance at a title....
OSU 34
FLA 21
That score is closer than the actual game will be. Florida needed a blocked punt and a muffed punt in the endzone to beat Arkansas, that will not happen against Ohio State.Tipp said:
posted on December 3, 2006 8:55 PM — 68.114.23.128 — link — abuse?
Michigan has to win their conference before they can make it to the National Title. Florida plays in a conference where 9 teams are bowl eligible and wins the conference. The Gators will also beat Ohio State in the title game...a 50 day layoff is just too long. So everyone get used to Florida Gators National Champions again!!
BCS=CRAP said:
posted on December 3, 2006 8:56 PM — 24.30.24.25 — link — abuse?
I think these results are very funny. Come Jan 9th i think people will realize after Florida gets ROMPED by the buckeyes an michigan handles USC i believe the voters will be slapping themselves, until they screw it up again next year.
Florida may have won the SEC championship but it was sloppy for the gators this season. i could go on for hours but what is done is done. Florida do us all a favor an EMBARRASS yourself so once again it shows how crappy the BCS is. Headlines will read " BCS DOH"
jerry said:
posted on December 3, 2006 8:57 PM — 24.158.125.117 — link — abuse?
gator boy your also right to a degree. There where many bad calls to both sides. The sec officials where terrible this year. Its alomost like there would be a bad call or not a call at all for a side. Then a another bad one to try to make up for it, to the other. How does either win this way. The lsu game was the same way (damn).
But overall floria has played better threw the brutal sec sced., and being a bigger sec fan I am happy to see one sec team get to represent for a national title.(like should always happen!)
I feel tommy's tigers and lsu has been cut out in the last few years. co- champs is not the truth of the matter.
I also hope mich. has to play ark. or lsu, just to show the fact that every year 3 or 4 sec teams could be national contenders over other div.Ohio and mich fans will be really shocked by the sec's speed and hitting. I think most of either teams won't finish the game, from being just being beat up and cramps. Every set of downs losing someone else. Hell florida's linemen and tight ends are faster than there backs!
I'll bet the ohio state buckeyes aren't as foolish as the fans in this room. Everyone should take florida serious. The only way they can lose is for urban to be out done. Cause florida has better athletes.
The state of florida has 3 great school because it offers so much more. who in there right mind wants to be in ohio or mich. Yeah (ha,ha,ha) I plan on going to the middle of nowhere next time I step out my door. If I was them I would be looking forward to leaving too.BCS = SUCKS said:
posted on December 3, 2006 9:02 PM — 24.30.24.25 — link — abuse?
TNGator. post 110
Son u need not worry about the line. Funny in Vegas florida was a -6 to michigan. an michigan lost to Ohio State by 3, so id say ur lookin at at least 10 points. but like i said dont worry about the line, id worry about the sloppy play an how much ur gonna get destroyed by the buckeyes. GG BCS
GA Boy said:
posted on December 3, 2006 9:06 PM — 66.110.197.20 — link — abuse?
As you may expect, I can't stand the Gators, but I am very glad that they are going to the NC game. It will give everybody a chance to see the difference between the SEC and Big 10. Wait until you see what TN and Ark do to the Penn State and Wisconson. Wait until you see what LSU does to Big 10 wannabe Notre Dame. This will be a good Bowl season for the SEC. I wouldn't be suprised to see them win all 8 of their bowl games! GO DAWGS!!! Beat VA Tech!
Terry said:
posted on December 3, 2006 9:21 PM — 68.43.81.210 — link — abuse?
Isn't that amazing, Michigan would be a 6 point favorite against Florida. The OSU/FLA line will be at least 10.
Can anyone give any reasonable reasoning as to why Florida has been behind Michigan in the polls the past two weeks but now that USC loses the voters decide to put Florida ahead of Michigan? If USC would have pulled it out Florida would have stayed at #4 behind Michigan. Is there any doubt that the only reason Florida jumped Michigan is because the human voters didn't want to see a rematch? I think not......
Buckeye Fan said:
posted on December 3, 2006 9:37 PM — 69.81.141.153 — link — abuse?
Just a couple of thoughts:
The SEC might be a good conference but with the computers ranking Michigan and Fla in a tie then they each played tough schedules.
And the argument that you have to have won the conference to play in the NC game must have started right after Oklahoma lost their conference in 2004 and then lost the NC game against USC while the winner in the Big 12 got beat by Ohio State at the Fiesta Bowl.
It doesn't matter who Ohio State plays Coach Tressel will have them prepared. There is a reason that he has 4 national titles in Div 1AA and already 1 in Div 1A with the possibility of a second within 6 years of entering the Div 1A coaching ranks.
TNGator said:
posted on December 3, 2006 9:44 PM — 4.154.58.219 — link — abuse?
BCS: 114
The Gators have put together fine halves this season, but not an entire game. With this much time to prepare for the game, there is absolutely no way in hell we lose this game by the opening line (which is 8, and I'm locked in ; ) ) Anyone that thinks Meyer will not have this team ready is on drugs. OSU is a fine team, but hardly unbeatable. We put together two halves in this one and we win. On the flip side, if we do not put together two halves, we lose but either way it goes, we will cover the spread.
bucky in michigan said:
posted on December 3, 2006 10:21 PM — 24.247.241.106 — link — abuse?
All of you Michigan fanboys are friggin hilarious. You already lost to OSU, you don't DESERVE another shot. I live up here in Michigan now, so I have to hear it all the time (especially when I wear my bucks jacket).
Yeah, yeah...I know...you only lost by three points, right. Well if you take away the two foolish fumbled snaps which your team was able to get control of and run for a scoring drive, you would have lost by 17. We can even take back that personal foul when you hit Troy Smith (the soon to be winner of the Heisman), and you still would have lost by 10.
Best defense in the country - yeah right, 500 yards on that defense.
That being said, I still think that Michigan is better then Florida, and I would have liked to have seen a rematch so we could do it all over again. OSU is the undisputed #1 team in the country. Perfect 1.000 BCS score, and no sports writer, coach, or anyone else for that matter says any different. Only the armchair fanboys say otherwise. Even Florida's coach said OSU was the #1 team when they interviewed him during the BCS show tonight.
So to the Michigan fanboys - sorry, I would have liked to have seen the bucks beat you up again, but we won't. Consider the previous game as part of a "playoff" that everyone always talks about, you lost the first time and now it's Florida's turn to lose as well. Tressel has shown he is one of the best coaches in the game right now.
To Florida fanboys, stop your waxing about the SEC being so big and bad and OSU not doing anything. OSU played #2 teams twice so far, and your game will be the 3rd. They'll be the first team to face 3-#2 teams and prevail at every matchup. Prepare yourselves for the #2 spot when the year is out, because that is where you will stay.
Brendon said:
posted on December 3, 2006 10:46 PM — 4.235.255.219 — link — abuse?
This is in response to Terry's critique of my previous statement. I believe you misconstrued what I wrote or maybe I was inept at clarifying my point. My intention was to write about quality wins and I do believe I stated that by writing "Their only quality wins were against Wisconsin and Notre Dame" in my previous post. Penn State and Iowa are hardly quality wins seeing that they are not currently ranked and their combined records are 14-10. When I mentioned Ohio State it was only to put both of their schedules into perspective and most importantly to point out that it is empirically impossible to define who is actually the best team in the nation. This in context of course to the ongoing debate that seems to automatically grant Michigan the status of the number 2 team in the country and the idea of Florida being the lucky beneficiary of Michigan not playing and USC loosing. I was trying to make the case that the only way to see who the best team is, beyond arbitrary polls, would be to allow Ohio State to play Florida, seeing that Michigan already got its' chance, and let the players decide who is number 1. It is impossible to know what team is the best by looking at records when you take into account their schedules. The only way to decide the number one team would be to allow these teams to play outside their bubbles. Michigan got its chance and Ohio got the best of them.
Kelvin said:
posted on December 4, 2006 1:12 AM — 72.177.43.101 — link — abuse?
Nobody is going to change anyone else's opinion. Fact of the matter is that Florida will play Ohio State for the National Championship. PERIOD!!!
Michigan fans can complain all you want, but at the end of the day, Ohio State beat you already. And I know it was in Columbus. That's just the way the chips fall. The game alternates from Michigan to Ohio every year. WHAT IFs are flat out excusses. If you play the game, make sure you win the game. Right now, you need to prove that you can beat a team that is worthy of being in the top ten because Wisconsin and Notre Dame don't cut it.
Ya'll have focused too much on your quality loss instead of your quality wins. Which you really don't have. Get ready for them Trojans BABY!!!!
AND FOR ALL OF YOU WHO THINK THAT OHIO STATE IS GOING TO WALK ALL OVER FLORIDA AND THAT THE SEC IS OVERRATED...GET REAL!!! FLORIDA IS JUST LIKE THE OHIO STATE TEAM THAT BEAT MIAMI IN '02 CHAMPIONSHIP...THEY JUST FIND A WAY TO WIN. STYLE POINTS ARE OVERRATED!!!Loyal College Football Fan said:
posted on December 4, 2006 4:20 AM — 75.72.169.245 — link — abuse?
Okay, we need to set a couple of things straight. First of all, to the SEC punk that stated the SEC has 3 teams in the top ten. You are absolutely right. But it should also be known that the Big Ten also has 3 in the top ten, and not just the top 25. The Big Ten has 1, 3, and 7. That is pretty hard to beat, granted I will say that the other Big Ten teams were only average. What I do want to say is this: anyone can win any game on any given day. Florida is a tough ass team that won a very tough conference and deserves a shot to prove themselves. However, I don't think I've ever seen OSU choke like USC did last weekend. They always come to play, so Florida had better be ready. OSU, with the exception of the game vs. Michigan gave up fewer points per game than anyone else in the nation. They know how to make pressure and create turnovers. And the OSU offense is and can be as explosive as any I have seen. In all reality, OSU should beat Florida by 21 or more. But then again, this is why we play the game . . . to see who shows up on that particular day. I'm excited to see a great game on Jan. 8.
gatorhippy said:
posted on December 4, 2006 7:19 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
"Buckeyes ar gonna cream the Gators"..."UF Sux"..."Florida isn't as good as Michigan"...
Yeah, while all of the above might have some merit...
Florida is playing for the 'Ship while the rest of you whiners are going to the consolation bowls...
Have fun somewhere other than the...
BCS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME
Ash said:
posted on December 4, 2006 7:28 AM — 69.21.116.14 — link — abuse?
Last night on ESPN I listened to Kirk Herbstreit (an Ohio State Grad) say that Michigan was one of the two best in the Nation not because of their schedule, but because of how they played against Ohio State, up until that game it seemed that no one was talking about Michigan as a National Championship contender. After that game no one was talking about Michigan as a National Championship contender, all we heard was if USC won out, and Florida won out they were going to jump ahead of Michigan in the polls. And USC did just that after beating Notre Dame soundly, Florida would have jump then had not they not eked out a tough win in Tallahassee.
I listened to all the rest of the announcers talk about how tough Florida schedule was and how winning the SEC conference championship was the reason they vaulted to number 2, and deserve to be in the BCS Championship Game. But listening to Kirk, I realized what all these Michigan fans were griping about, they what the rematch with Ohio State, in their minds they know that had they had one more quarter they could have beaten Ohio State.
All I hear and read from the Michigan fans is that the BCS is about putting the two best teams in the Nation together for a championship. Well they got it right the two best teams in the Nation will play each other, and whether you like it our not the simply reason that Florida and not Michigan is going, is because they won the Conference Title and Michigan didn’t. If you have two teams evenly matched in all categories, with one loss each then you have to have a deciding factor, for Michigan it was how hard they played Ohio State, but they lost, yes the only team that beat them was the #1 team in the nation, but the game was for the Big Ten Title and they lost. Florida did what they had to do had to do they won the Conference Title, and that is the one thing that sets them above Michigan.
If conference titles shouldn’t be factor in deciding who’s #1 and #2 then what’s the point of having conference’s. And the real truth of all this is that had USC won this would not have been a discussion; everyone would say that the two best teams were in the championship game. Would Michigan fans still be griping, who can say, but they didn’t. Michigan you had your chance and now the Gator’s are going to do what you couldn’t win a title against Ohio State.
hrudey said:
posted on December 4, 2006 7:53 AM — 69.180.89.97 — link — abuse?
When's the last time Michigan beat a team with a winning record? October 14? Yeah, that's some resume. Last time they beat a team that's ranked right now? September 23? What a gauntlet. You can cry about Florida looking unimpressive in the past six weeks, but they beat a ranked team to win a conference championship, while Michigan tried to lose their way in. Sorry if we're not impressed with that Iowa-Northwestern-Ball State-Indiana runup to the loss at tOSU. Greatness is judged by who you beat, not who you lose to -- else, we wouldn't need this discussion, as it would be Boise State all the way.
IrishJT said:
posted on December 4, 2006 8:47 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
#21 GatorMatt,
You stated that "The SEC has three teams in the top 10, but the Big 10 only has 3 teams in the top 25."Why even open your mouth??? The Big 10 has 3 teams in the top 7 and the SEC has 3 teams in the top 9. The SEC does have 5 teams in the top 25, which is impressive, but this has very, very little to do with why Florida jumped Michigan.
The BCS is a crying shame. The human voters are so arbitrary, so simple in their thought patterns, that if Michigan were to have sat idle for another week or two they may have fallen out of the Rose Bowl picture, much less the NT game. You have AP voters who don't watch the games, the read the Sunday Times for their information. Those same voters will ask a bar patron "who won" and rely on that info for their rankings. STATS DON'T CAPTURE A GAME. A 'Plus-One' system will at least take the full power out of the human hands and put it right back where it oughta be...on the field.
Good luck Florida. Good luck Buckeyes. The Irish are getting ready to enjoy splitting $4.5m into...oh that's right, we keep the whole thing.
BOOYA!!!
GatorMatt said:
posted on December 4, 2006 9:31 AM — 65.40.42.140 — link — abuse?
Irish JT,
You're a jackass, and Notre Dame is terrible. How about they try and beat a ranked team for once. Look where Georgia Tech is now. That win stops looking so impressive. Did you even go to ND, or are you just a bandwagon jumper? LSU is gonna hand ND their 9th straight bowl loss. Why do they even bother going anymore? ND is what's wrong with college football
wolfe said:
posted on December 4, 2006 9:59 AM — 216.37.66.125 — link — abuse?
Nowhere in the BCS does it say you have to win your division to play in the title game. Only 1 vs. 2 and that should be Ohio vs. Michigan. Ohio State fans are happy they are playing Florida because they know that you put Ohio vs. Michigan on a neutral field and that is a brand new ball game.
Seattle Tom said:
posted on December 4, 2006 10:19 AM — 155.70.23.45 — link — abuse?
When the big 10(or is it 11) and the pac 10 start playing by the rules as the other conferences then we can start talking being fair. No conference championships and they don't even play everyone in the conference(Wisconsin).
Gator Boys said:
posted on December 4, 2006 10:31 AM — 64.238.162.154 — link — abuse?
of course there are 3 big 10 teams in the top 10, the big ten sucks. Wisconsin's a medicre team, probably as good as South Carolina, but in the big 10, they dont play anybody. If they played OSU and Michigan, the 2 best teams in the Big 10, everybody knows they would have 2 losses
#1CollegeFootballFan said:
posted on December 4, 2006 10:40 AM — 66.145.249.87 — link — abuse?
Could you please define "playing by the rules?"
If the Wisconsin reference is referring to Ohio State, not playing them. OSU also did not play Purdue this year either.
The PAC-10 and Big East schedules include all the schools, within their conferences.
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 4, 2006 10:50 AM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
Michigan fans,
OSU tried to give you the game and Michigan could not take it. OSU had three unforced turnovers in the second half leading to scores that kept Michigan in the game. OSU could not even hike the ball to the QB in the shotgun. Anyone who watched the game knows it was not very close. OSU begged you to win the game and you could not do it.
Bubbagator said:
posted on December 4, 2006 11:44 AM — 71.42.28.198 — link — abuse?
Here we are again talking about things that don't matter. The gators are playing in the big show and have a good chance at winning. If you're not a gator fan or a buckeye fan... SHUT THE HELL UP!!! Quit your whining and complaining like it's gonna do some good for you. All you're doing is making the fact that your team wasn't good enough worse by talking all this smack. Honestly, WHO CARES about you, or your team if they aren't in the big show. NOBODY!!!! Be a fan of College Football and watch the games. Or keep talking about what should be and should not be and don't watch the games like some little sissy-mary bitches cause your team isn't there. News flash- If they were good enough, they would be there! Speaking of which, anybody heard from Tommie Trojan? All the crap he has said over this entire year... just to lose to unranked UCLA. Pathetic. So many things I have wanted to say to him when he was talkin' smack. Now all I will say is... Thanks! Here's the truth, the gators could win or they could lose, but either way I'll be happy. I'd rather lose to the number one ranked team in the country in the National Championship game than win in an insignificant consolation game. Good luck to all the teams, especially those of you playing in the fruit loop bowl, or salad bowl, or whatever they are gonna come up with next. There's only one that truly matters! Go Gators!
bucky in michigan said:
posted on December 4, 2006 11:49 AM — 24.247.241.106 — link — abuse?
volstrike is right...without those 2 stupid fumbled snaps the score wouldn't even have been close. Michigan was given every chance and couldn't deliver. Going against OSU again and they would lose again, end of story.
Swine said:
posted on December 4, 2006 12:30 PM — 66.199.26.186 — link — abuse?
Maybe OSU would beat Michigan again, sure, but there is no way Florida will play them tougher. The problem I have with Florida is that sure they did very well in their conference, but alot of those games Florida was extremely lucky to win, and I think Florida is as good as a 4 loss team with the confidence of a 1 loss team. But all I can hope for is that Michigan crushes USC and Florida gets crushed by OSU, and the chances of this happening are pretty good!
AUtigerman said:
posted on December 4, 2006 1:02 PM — 129.61.46.16 — link — abuse?
Hey Big Ten fans
You want a rematch get a Big 10 championship game and quit griping. OSU didnt even play Wisconsin whats up with that.Thats why wisconsin is ranked in top 10.Far as im concerned noone that loses there conference should play for the national title.Give Florida some credit they had a very tough schedule ranked #1 toughest according to NCAA offical site.Even though we beat them. ha WareagleTKE929 said:
posted on December 4, 2006 1:04 PM — 128.186.111.94 — link — abuse?
Michigan was ROBBED
Strength of schedule? Wow, what an arguement. Florida’s #1 vs Michigan’s #3 ranking. Quite a landslide gators.
Losing by 10 pts at Auburn, a team who finished 9th with two losses (Arkansas, Georgia). How about losing by 3 to the undisputed #1 team in their own backyard?
Michigan led Florida in the BCS polls 7 of the total 8 weeks, even after losing at Ohio State. The only time UF pasted Michigan being in the final week as voters decided they didn’t want to see a rematch of Mich/OSU. If USC had beaten UCLA, I guarantee UF remains behind Michigan.
Now what do you mean when you say "Michigan had their chance?" Did I miss something? Did Michigan play Ohio State in the national championship? Opps, I'm sorry. NO they didn't. It's not Michigan's fault that they played the number one team in the nation during regular season. If the top two teams in the country are in the same conference, SO BE IT. Let them play for the national title.
Let me ask you, is anyone in Gainsville opposed to the concept of a rematch in the national championship game? It seemed to work our pretty well for them in 1996 with a rematch against FSU who beat them during regular season. What a bunch of hypocrites.
So what are Florida’s argument points?
They won their conference. See above Michigan’s rationale, and plus, show me where it says in the BCS manual that you have to win your conference to play for the national title. NOWHERE, that’s where.Back to the strength of schedule, how about if we let Michigan play a 13th game against a comparable (2-9) Div I-AA team that Florida played (West. Carolina)? Call me crazy, but I think Michigan could put up some style-points as well against an undeserving foe like them.
Well, congratulations Florida. One positive note could be that this controversy is yet one more swing of the axe at the inadequacy of the BCS system.
P.S. just a few stats for comparison.
Michigan's rush defence is #1 (43 yds/game)
UF's #6 (75 yds/game)Michigan #6 total defence (254 yes/game)
Florida #10 with 269 yds/gameMichigan is #12 in rushing offence (189 yds/game)
Florida is #36 with (160 yds/game) even with their 202 yds rushing in their extra game.Michigan is #22 in scoring/game with 30pts
Florida is #32 with 29 pts (PUSH)UF is #6 (13.5 pts/game) in scoring defense
Michigan #8 (14.5 pts/game), mind you UF had a defensive score in their 13th game of the year where Michigan only plays 12 games.
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 4, 2006 1:43 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
Swine,
Every National Champion for as long as I have been watching football has caught a few breaks during the season, that is why they are the NC. Please let me know which National Champ in the past 10 years just ran through their schedule and whipped everyone by three touchdowns. I think OSU is going to be hurt because they played in so many one sided games against physically overmatched teams while Florida is used to being in a dogfight every week. I will promise one thing, OSU has not played a defense as fast or as physical as Florida.
TKE929 said:
posted on December 4, 2006 2:02 PM — 128.186.111.94 — link — abuse?
Michigan was ROBBED
Strength of schedule? Wow, what an argument. Florida’s #1 vs Michigan’s #3 ranking. Quite a landslide gators.
Losing by 10 pts at Auburn, a team who finished 9th with two losses (Arkansas, Georgia). How about losing by 3 to the undisputed #1 team in their own backyard?
Michigan led Florida in the BCS polls 7 of the total 8 weeks, even after losing at Ohio State. The only time UF pasted Michigan being in the final week as voters decided they didn’t want to see a rematch of Mich/OSU. If USC had beaten UCLA, I guarantee UF remains behind Michigan.
Now what do you mean when you say "Michigan had their chance?" Did I miss something? Did Michigan play Ohio State in the national championship? Oops, I'm sorry. NO they didn't. It's not Michigan's fault that they played the number one team in the nation during regular season. If the top two teams in the country are in the same conference, SO BE IT. Let them play for the national title.
Let me ask you, is anyone in Gainesville opposed to the concept of a rematch in the national championship game? It seemed to work our pretty well for them in 1996 with a rematch against FSU who beat them during regular season. What a bunch of hypocrites.
So what are Florida’s argument points?
They won their conference. See above Michigan’s rationale, and plus, show me where it says in the BCS manual that you have to win your conference to play for the national title. NOWHERE, that’s where.Back to the strength of schedule, how about if we let Michigan play a 13th game against a comparable (2-9) Div I-AA team that Florida played (West. Carolina)? Call me crazy, but I think Michigan could put up some style-points as well against an undeserving foe like them.
Well, congratulations Florida. One positive note could be that this controversy is yet one more swing of the axe at the inadequacy of the BCS system.
P.S. just a few stats for comparison.
Michigan's rush defense is #1 (43 yds/game)
UF's #6 (75 yds/game)Michigan #6 total defense (254 yes/game)
Florida #10 with 269 yds/gameMichigan is #12 in rushing offence (189 yds/game)
Florida is #36 with (160 yds/game) even with their 202 yds rushing in their extra game.Michigan is #22 in scoring/game with 30pts
Florida is #32 with 29 pts (PUSH)UF is #6 (13.5 pts/game) in scoring defense
Michigan #8 (14.5 pts/game), mind you UF had a defensive score in their 13th game of the year where Michigan only plays 12 games.
TKE929 said:
posted on December 4, 2006 2:13 PM — 128.186.111.94 — link — abuse?
Actually, good luck Florida. Go ahead and beat Ohio State by less than 3 pts, and have Michigan destroy USC. Then the voters can see how good Michigan is, how Florida got lucky, and give a split-championship between Michigan and Florida. That ought to really shake things up with the BCS committee and push for a #1vs#4 and #2vs#3 playoff.
Marko said:
posted on December 4, 2006 2:29 PM — 70.127.205.96 — link — abuse?
Ohio State will beat Florida
Michigan will beat USC
Wisconsin will beat Arkansas
Penn State will beat TennesseeWill the SEC declare themselves the best conference in the nation after its teams get blasted in the bowl games??
hunt44 said:
posted on December 4, 2006 2:47 PM — 208.62.217.1 — link — abuse?
How about this? Let Michigan play Ohio state once
a week until maybe they got lucky an beat em.
Then they could say "We National CHamps!!!!'Or give somebody else a shot......The team
that played the "toughest" schedule in the
nation probably deserves that shot....gator fan said:
posted on December 4, 2006 3:08 PM — 24.170.139.6 — link — abuse?
Remember this name OSU. Percy Harvin. He is almost an exact replica of Reggie Bush. Lets that great defense of Ohio State keep up with him. He runs somewhere between a 4.1 and 4.2 forty. He is the main reason we will beat OSU. We will put up just enough offense and our defense will handle the rest.
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 4, 2006 3:18 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
Marko,
I will make the same offer I made to Irish JT. If you are right and ALL four of those games are won by Big 10 teams, I will donate $1000 to the charity of your choice. Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is? I don't think you are willing to back up your mindless blabber.
FSU fan said:
posted on December 4, 2006 3:33 PM — 128.186.111.94 — link — abuse?
volstrike3
-"I will promise one thing, OSU has not played a defense as fast or as physical as Florida."
FYI Compare this. Total Defense: Mich #6 UF #10, Rush D: Mich #1, UF #6. Oh yeah, and how many Defensive All Americans does UF have this year? ZERO. Michigan has 2, LaMarr Woodley and Leon Hall. Some tough defense Florida has. Get ready to be pummeled by Ohio State.
FSU fan said:
posted on December 4, 2006 3:33 PM — 128.186.111.94 — link — abuse?
hunt44
- "Let Michigan play Ohio state once
a week until maybe they got lucky an beat em."FYI Michigan leads the all-time series against Ohio State 57-40-6. I think they have a pretty good bead on how to beat them. Oh and you might say that since 2001 Michigan is 1-5 against them, however during 1995-2000 Michigan went 5-1, and 17-7 from 1976-2000.
Franco said:
posted on December 4, 2006 3:59 PM — 24.33.242.38 — link — abuse?
Another bang up job by the flawless BCS system....way to manipulate the rankings!
I would like to congratulate the OHIO STATE BUCKEYES for winning the BCS National Championship!!
As for Florida...I would like to congratulate them on their BSC bid...mind you I said BSC and not BCS...BullShit Championship bid. I vote we instill the new name now because I see no end to the blatant favoritism and manipulation anytime soon. All this being said, I don't at all mean that Florida is a bad team, they just don't deserve No. 2 nor the National Championship Title bowl bid. I think someone should have to explain themselves here...perhaps we should hear from the BCS Coordinator? I also think we should hear the SEC Commissioner give us his argument! In fact, I just looked up both of them so I could put them in touch but oops, I could only find one number because they know each other so very well they share an office. They even wake up and shave together every morning. How could this be you ask? Mike Slive is not only the SEC Commissioner, he also is the BCS Coodinator!! WOW...I'm going to take a quick pause so everyone can go look up the meaning of "conflict of interest". Actually, I think I've said enough about him. You all know that if you wanna screw something you've got to have the right tool. The SEC had the right tool Sunday, but it'll take a true mechanic that Florida doesn't have to win the National Title against Ohio State. The National Championship Title game is going to be a 100 yard slaughter house ending with a grill full of gator meat. Wash it down with a cold one Buckeye's!
Grass is always greener said:
posted on December 4, 2006 4:20 PM — 128.138.174.180 — link — abuse?
No one is every going to be satisfied with the way the BCS is decided until it is turned into a tournament style playoffs between the best 8 or so teams. But even then, the fact is team 9 will always fight about why they weren't team 8 because the criteria are mushy. It is impossible to have every team play each other in order to determine who is truly the best. So politics will always be a part of it because there are mushy criteria and not enough bright line rules. Real people have to decide, not just numbers and statitstics, and real people have politics.
Mike Dean said:
posted on December 4, 2006 4:26 PM — 66.41.158.240 — link — abuse?
A lot of college football fans across the country are fed up with the Bowl Championship Series. Most people agree that something need to done, but don't know where to start. I am launching an online campaign to pressure the NCAA to Sack the BCS.
If fans join together, we can pressure the NCAA to finally get rid of the BCS mess. Sign onto our petition here: http://ga4.org/campaign/sackthebcsWith your help, we can get the word out to college football fans about the effort.
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 4, 2006 4:31 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
FSU Fan,
We will see if Michigan has a better defense than Florida. If Florida gives up more than 500 yards and 42 points then you will be right. I don't see that happening. They have only given up 20+ points twice against some pretty good offensive teams. I guess we will see.
FSU fan said:
posted on December 4, 2006 4:50 PM — 128.186.111.94 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy,
Oh, your San Fran reference was about FSU in the Emerald bowl. No I do not have tickets and I don't plan to get any either. You won't hear any arguments or excuses from me about FSU this year (or the last 3 years for that matter). We just haven't been a great team period. Maybe with Jeff gone we can make strides at being a contender again. Maybe.
Scott said:
posted on December 4, 2006 5:25 PM — 69.234.55.10 — link — abuse?
I dont think Florida is better than Michigan but nobody will ever know...College Football will not be any good until there is a playoff. In football you have "off" days. The Steelers won the the super bowl last year as a wild card team. Who is to say USC or LSU couldn't win a playoff? Until there is a playoff we will never know who is the best team, because its all left to debate and biased opinions.
Tipp said:
posted on December 4, 2006 6:01 PM — 166.82.225.245 — link — abuse?
Kevin: Let me remind you why the SEC is tougher!! 9 bowl teams from the SEC...how many does the big 10 have? I think that is enough...just because one team may be better than another in one conference doesnt mean the entire conference is weaker...but thanks for demonstrating the terrible arguments of the Big 10 that by the way has how many teams?????? Answer that question and you will get the answer to how dumb the Big 10 really is!!
terzo22 said:
posted on December 4, 2006 6:44 PM — 65.80.241.180 — link — abuse?
A lot of people have compared this years Florida team to the Ohio ST. team that barely scraped by until they finally beat Miami in the championship. Just one difference that year the bucks went undefeated, the gators this year have not. They lost not to LSU, Arkansas, or Tennessee but to Auburn. They simply got out played by an inferior team. So answer me this gator fans, how can you be so sure of your team when they have already coughed it up once this season? Really they will be playing the undisputed clearly most dominate number one team in the country. Its good to be optimistic or have faith, and just like Auburn beat Florida the gators could beat the buckeyes. But I don't understand how the majority of you think they have a good chance. Seriously if I were a FL fan I would be nervous as hell. So gatorbob, gatoreddy, gatorjoe, and the rest of you clever gator prefix putting fans, try to be realistic. Unless you explain to me where FL matches up with Ohio St. and have the advantage keep the wet dreams of a dominate championship performance to yourself.
FanofthePac said:
posted on December 4, 2006 6:56 PM — 207.200.116.69 — link — abuse?
Bottom line
Real glad to see Florida make the NC game. In order to be a national champion you have to be a conference champion. (ND, you're going to need to go unbeaten since you refuse to join a conference). That should be the rule, period. Florida is simply the most deserving conference champion this year. That said, Florida and their cute little high school offense will get thumped by Ohio St. Heck, if it wasn't for a bonehead play by the Arkansas punt returner then Florida probably doesn't even win that game. My prediction is it will be a USC/Oklahoma type of whoopin'. Florida fans, don't spend too much on tickets because its over at halftime. Ohio St. is by far the class of college football this year and they'll prove it in Glendale.
jessi said:
posted on December 4, 2006 6:59 PM — 68.171.100.62 — link — abuse?
I hate Florida as a Tennessee fan, but you can bet at this point i will be rooting for the Gators to show how tough a team it takes to only lose once in the SEC. Go Gators!!!!!!!!!! (p.s. if my dad were alive he would probably kick my ass for that)
bucky in michigan said:
posted on December 4, 2006 7:16 PM — 24.247.241.106 — link — abuse?
"FSU fan
- "Let Michigan play Ohio state once
a week until maybe they got lucky an beat em."FYI Michigan leads the all-time series against Ohio State 57-40-6. I think they have a pretty good bead on how to beat them. Oh and you might say that since 2001 Michigan is 1-5 against them, however during 1995-2000 Michigan went 5-1, and 17-7 from 1976-2000."
That's largly because John Cooper sucked...bigtime. He was 2-10-1 against Michigan. He was a poor coach who inherited a great program and couldn't get it done when it came to the big games. Jim Tressel is 10 times the coach Coop ever was. Tressel coaches the same in every game, and he does it expertly. That's why Tressel got a national championship the second year he was there, acheived the first 14-0 season record in College Football history, a 4-1 bowl record, a 5-1 Michigan record. Fact is that Cooper was a curse for the OSU football program when it came to Michigan, and Tressel is showing what a great coach can do when he has a good program. If you take away the "Cooper Curse" OSU is 38-47-5, and 13 of Michigan's wins in that record came between 1897 and 1918. In the modern games, if you remove the coop curse, the series is effectively tied. If you take a look back at the games, it really goes back and forth many years. Currently Michigan has a great coach, Lloyd Carr, and OSU has an equally great coach (maybe a little better in my eyes since I am a fan). So, I don't think that Michigan has "a pretty good bead on how to beat them" anymore, Cooper was a disgrace and counting 1897-1918 really has no bearing on the modern match-ups. It's only coming down to the plays called, which I think Tressel is amazing at, and the players on the field.
With all that being said, I don't think a playoff system is ever going to fly, but I would love to see a +1 system in place to take care of this issue. But, honestly, even if there was a playoff here and you count the OSU/Mich game...then Michigan already got knocked out. Mich would have lost by 17 if it hadn't been for 2 FUMBLED SNAPS. That's the only reason it was even close, and had nothing to do with the ability of the Michigan program. It doesn't matter who comes to OSU this year, they would have beat Michigan if they played again and I think they are going to kill Florida.
Gatorfan#1 said:
posted on December 4, 2006 7:33 PM — 65.10.29.133 — link — abuse?
Honestly for all you people who say that it should be michigan vs. ohio state again are WRONG!! florida might/probably played the toughest schedule in college history.. and it doesnt matter how much they won by... they still WON.. by one point it doesnt matter it is still a win. michigan had their chance and blew it so get over it.. and #12 ur a retard maybe u should watch espn or do ur research cause ur off.
GO GATORS!!
ITS GREAT TO BE A FLORIDA GATOR!!!
Tipp said:
posted on December 4, 2006 7:34 PM — 166.82.225.245 — link — abuse?
I realize after reading this...the Gators are the best team and have the smarter fans. I realize that almost none of you know anything about football or statistics...especially the FSU CrimiNOLES fan...what a joke FSU is!! GO GATORS
SNAFU said:
posted on December 4, 2006 7:42 PM — 68.1.144.199 — link — abuse?
Michael
Comparing UM & FA to Vandy is moot. It was the first game of the year and you had them at home so that automatically put them down three points, right? UF had to go to their house.
Second, get your facts straight. Carr did vote…..Check the story by RUSTY MILLER, AP Sports Writer
Michigan coach Lloyd Carr, a member of the coaches poll, said there was no scenario in which he would choose not to vote. On Tressel's abstention, Carr said: "I thought it was real slick."
Lloyd Carr what an IDIOT. Lloyd Carr chose not to publicly pitch for his team. Why, because he’s an IDIOT.
I agree players should decide the outcome, within the RULES. Is helmet to helmet a foul, well yes it is, see rule 9-1-2a in the NCAA rule book.
Ash said:
posted on December 4, 2006 8:08 PM — 71.52.20.71 — link — abuse?
This conversation isn’t going to end until next year, or if the Gators win and Michigan losses, then everybody will shut up. If all you Michigan fans think your walking into to Pasadena, CA, USC’s back yard and demolishing them. Go to your shower turn on the cold water only step in and WAKE UP. The UCLA game was, a fluke, it happens, in later years we’ll call that one of the greatest upsets of all time, but that doesn’t mean the team every one was saying was the real #2 in the Nation, suddenly turned into a creampuff. But you go right ahead and keep telling all those players on the Michigan team how their going to waltz out of the Rose Bowl with that trophy. Keep telling them how easy it’s going to be, if I were Michigan I rather take on an complacent Ohio State then a pissed off USC.
When the dust settles in Glendale on Jan 8th, and whom ever wins, just remember this Michigan fans that the two best teams in the Nation played that day. But we will already know that because the dust will have settled in Pasadena.
And gatorhippy, most of the Nole fans here in Tallahassee just want to say GO GATORS.
Gatorader said:
posted on December 4, 2006 8:34 PM — 137.49.37.88 — link — abuse?
Wow... I thought that Michigan fans HATED Ohio. I thought that the sound of "OH - AICHE" brought bile to your tongue. So it didn't work out for you this year. It could have, yeah, but it didn't. I can't believe how many posts I have read that essentially say that you hope Ohio creams FLA (That's FLA, FL, or UF, not FA).
If Michigan was No. 1, and Florida snuck past Ohio in the BCS, you wouldn't hear a single Ohio fan rooting for Michigan. If the Gator players bit off the heads off of really cute puppies before gametime just to get tougher, you wouldn't hear an Ohio fan rooting for Michigan. If Urban Meyer deficated on an Ohio state flag on national television while giving a press conference regarding the five underage brides he picked up while coaching in Utah.. Well, you get the picture.
The Ohio fans I know wouldn't utter the word "Michigan" if they were on a gameshow and the category was "States that begin with the letter M"
I guess you Michigan fans respect Ohio this year. Haha...
As for me, I could never see myself going for FSU. Just the thought of the war chant makes me want to light a candle and pour hot wax into my ears. And if I ever caught myself rooting for Tennessee, well then I might as well marry my cousin and start brewing moonshine.
GO GATORS!
PopsMich said:
posted on December 4, 2006 8:34 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Another sober assessment....
1. Can someone tell me where "Florida has the No. 1 SOS" can be found? I've checked all 6 BCS Computer Rankings. Nope. Gary Danielson doesn't count.2. OSU's opponents had an aggregate record below .500, and that includes UM's contribution of 11-1.
3. Before, you all say it: I know, we're in the Rose Bowl. Re-read #68 above and Week 13 #106 (AP Poll, etc. section) before you take aim. You'll find I've probably said what you're about to type. No Problem.
Chris said:
posted on December 4, 2006 9:11 PM — 24.24.114.56 — link — abuse?
Everybody jumping on the "Weak SEC" teams playing a powerhouse remember 1992.
34-13 Alabama over Miami. Remember the name of the Canes heisman winning QB that year? Nobody does.
I see this as being another one of those years. "Noway Florida can win..."
Florida by 6!!
Terry said:
posted on December 4, 2006 9:54 PM — 68.43.81.210 — link — abuse?
As much as I wanted to see Michigan get the rematch against OSU, I'm almost as excited to see Michigan play USC in the Rose Bowl. It will be a great game, in my opinion much better than the OSU/FLA game.
It's obvious the only reason Florida was voted ahead of Michigan was because the voters didn't want to see a rematch. Every argument you hear for Florida is Michigan is probably the better team but Florida deserves a chance. Michigan deserves a rematch but you can't argue that Florida doesn't deserve a chance as well. They do and they got what Urban Meyer cried for. If the season ended Saturday with no bowl games to play Florida would have neer been voted ahead of Michigan as #2. There is a reason the difference between #3 Michigan and #4 Florida wasn't close, because the voters believed Michigan was the better team.
Michigan got the short end of the stick this year and as long as the BCS is calling the shots there will always be a team getting screwed. Give Florida their chance because they deserve it and hopefully they don't embarass themselves.
Terry said:
posted on December 4, 2006 10:07 PM — 68.43.81.210 — link — abuse?
Florida fans talking about the schedule they played should just give up that argument because it's irrelevant, just ask Urban Meyer.
Amazing how everyone forgets that Urban Meyer was in the same situation two years ago and lobbyed for his 12-0 Utah team to get in. He did as much crying then as he did this season. When asked about the weak schedule Utah played he responded with, "we played and beat the opponents on our schedule, what conference we played in and who are opponents are shouldn't matter." Now Urban Meyer will not stop talking about his conference and schedule and how much it matters. What does he really believe in? Will the real Urban Meyer please stand up????
Tell Urban Meyer to take that clause out of his contract that allows him to opt out of his deal if he is ever offered the Michigan job, he will never be welcomed in Michigan.
Tipp said:
posted on December 4, 2006 10:59 PM — 68.114.23.128 — link — abuse?
so just wondering...lets here hypothetically what you guys are gonna say if Florida wins..."oops I was wrong or like Herbstreet...well I knew it all along. You guys need to be weathermen! You would do great being wrong most of the time. Go Gators!!
AUtigerman said:
posted on December 4, 2006 11:29 PM — 68.1.33.227 — link — abuse?
TK929
Yea i think you did miss something. Michigan played Ohio State just a couple weeks ago. And by the way they got beat.And it was for a national title shot.Well i guess we could let them play again and if michigan wins we could split the title youd like that wouldnt you.Of course if Michigan wins we could ask for a third game and then......Try winning the big ten maybe youll get a shot at the title.And oh by the way Michigan has no chance of destroying USC at home.Michael said:
posted on December 4, 2006 11:48 PM — 67.49.60.23 — link — abuse?
Reply to post #172:
Snafu,
I sit corrected. Carr did vote. Thought I heard him say he would not. I personally CAN'T stand CARR as a COACH, but he still showed much more character "on the air" than did Meyer, who did nothing but lobby like a pitbull politician or snakeoil salesman seeking to overcome every objection possible as to why No means NO!
As for NCAA rules, sorry, it's your turn to eat crow SNAFU, as I did my research on that one last week BEFORE I even knew of this site, and ALL 3 rules imply or clearly state that there MUST be INTENTIONAL helmet:helmet contact, not INCIDENTAL. The NFL rule is inclusive and penalizes BOTH INCIDENTAL & INTENTIONAL (spearing).
Don't tell me you missed the USC LB (Maseu, sp?) helmet:helmet ASSASSIN/ASSAULT hit on Cowan, UCLA QB, Saturday? He just about decollated Cowan! There was no holding back on the USC LB's part and Cowan was clearly running OUT of bounds just like TROY SMITH, OSU did!
Difference?
NO FLAG/PENALTY against USC! NONE! No mention of a penalty by the announcers. They even replayed it so they could get off on the horrendous hit again!
How about an even more obvious helmet:helmet hit?
Texas QB, Colt McCoy, last week suffered a game-ending (for him anyway) helmet:helmet whack job from a huge Texas A & M Lineman. It was so BAD that McCoy had to be IMMOBILIZED and put on a stretcher and carted off the field on a John Deere tractor! Even the commentators commented on how McCoy's HEAD/HELMET popped up on the severe contact!Once again NO PENALTY or even mention of one!
Why NO PENALTY in the USC/UCLA game?
Why NO PENALTY in the TEXAS/TEXAS A & M game?
Because the 3 NCAA rules, which you alluded to Snafu, which I've cut and pasted below for you, DON'T penalize INCIDENTAL contact, no matter how severe, and this is AFTER the 2005 REVISIONS! ONLY the NFL does! Clearly YOU need to brush up on your RULE BOOK READING as much or more than I do on quoting Coaches!
2005 Rules
1. Spearing is the use of the helmet (including the face mask) in an attempt to punish an opponent.
2. No player shall use his helmet (including the face mask) to butt or ram an opponent or attempt to punish him.
3. No player shall strike a runner with the crown or top of the helmet in an attempt to punish him.
Gator Boys said:
posted on December 5, 2006 1:50 AM — 64.238.162.154 — link — abuse?
Wow, you UM fans are terrible. My mom went to michigan and i've been a big Michigan fan my whole life. Being a Michigan fan, i've always hated Ohio State. I was really hoping theyd beat ohio, even though at half-time my roommate said "OK its time to start rooting for a blowout" I said no, i like Michigan, i hope they come back. But now with all these whining and stupidity (michigan alum are supposed to be smart) i'm rooting for USC... That'll teach you guys a lesson
GatorFan said:
posted on December 5, 2006 3:57 AM — 68.189.58.51 — link — abuse?
There are some points that are not getting there just due:
1. The Gators nudged Michigan out to take the #2 slot partially because the voters did not want to see a Ohio-Michigan rematch and did not want to spurn the SEC champion twice in the span of four years - granted. However, a major part of the gain was due the Gator's convincing win over an excellent Arkansas football team. Holding Darren McFadden to only 73 yards in 21 attempts was a truly outstanding defensive effort. You could say that the Gators finally won some style points -- for tough, physical defense. Without those points, Michigan would still be #2.
2. The SEC is considered the best conference in the country not because of the its top two, three, or four teams in the Top 25, which every conference can lay some claim to, but more for the depth of quality and competitiveness overall from top to bottom. There is (arguably) better team speed and good balance between offense and defense. In order to win consistently, you have to bring your "A" game each and every week. You can see this sentiment of the LSU, Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee fans that posted earlier --there is a ton of respect for what Florida has accomplished.
ON THE BCS CHAMPIONSHIP GAME:Ohio State looks rather invincible. They have great balance, outstanding skill players, solid special teams, no readily apparent weaknesses... While solid on defense, the Gators have not hit on all eight cylinders the entire season on offense (excluding the East Carolina game). So, why do I think the Gators have a chance? With their tough, physical, find-a-way-to-win style, they remind me a whole bunch of the 2002-03 Buckeyes...
Bubbagator said:
posted on December 5, 2006 7:52 AM — 71.42.28.198 — link — abuse?
Well, it's 100 percent clear why Ohio state hates Michigan. I have never heard so many whiny-ass bitches in my life. Trying to get someone to listen to your thoughts and ideas as to why you think you should be in the big show. Who cares about you anymore? Nobody!!!!!!! You had your chance, and you blew it! You came up short! You weren't good enough! Your schedule wasn't good enough to rank higher when it came down to it! Get used to it now and keep your tears local (in Michigan)and spare the rest of the nation. The sooner you come to grips with it the better off you will all be. Oh, and Terry, (#179) who the hell are you to think that Coach Meyer would 1. want the job in Michigan. 2. would give a rat's ass whether you personally would welcome him? You have some serious dilusions of grandeur! Read my other post (#140) over and over again until you and all the other whiny Michigan fans stop crying. January 8th we will be playing in the National Championship while your sitting on the couch drinkin' haterade. GO GATORS!!!!!!!!!!!!
IrishJT said:
posted on December 5, 2006 9:13 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Gator Fans Galore,
Couple things: First, I did go to Notre Dame (Class of '95). Secondly, so what? Finally, your insistance on saying the Big 10 sucks makes you all look petty, stupid and classless...all at the same time. I love the SEC. My wife went to Auburn (who stomped that ass this year). However, the biggest gripe I have with SEC fans living here in SEC country (Alabama), having moved here from NYC, is that there is a certain contingent of fans that lack a certain amount of class...not all, but a definite factored-in contingent. LSU fans have a very bad reputation for throwing objects at opponents and their fans. They have been known to start fights in and out of the stadium upon a bad beat or a good win...doesn't matter. This year, Kenny Irons was hit in the face with a water bottle by a 'Bama fan when exiting the stadium after the Iron Bowl. Florida fans were gracious after their loss to Auburn (I was there) but have been nothing but WHINERS since they crept back into the NC picture after that big win against Western Carolina. Urban Meyer might be the biggest whiner in football. You certainly didn't hear him speak up about the BCS or Coaches polls when Florida leapfrogged Notre Dame during their bye week. Why? Classlessness.Florida fans, you have demonstrated on this blog and elsewhere that even the gift of playing in Glendale has not made you humble or grateful. You continue to bash the Big 10 and Notre Dame with intelligent jabs like "they suck" and what it does is reflect very poorly on the majority of SEC fans, to include Florida fans.
Quit your whining, be grateful for the 'gift' that you were given by the human voters and go play football. But saying the Big 10 sucks as a conference is ridiculous. As a conference, they have infinitely more wins that the SEC, more Heisman trophies and more national titles. Talk is very, very cheap.
By the way, comparing Wisconsin to South Carolina is not the wisest idea. South Carolina had your precious Florida team beat..BEAT...but for a relatively poor special teams effort. By the way, Wisconsin handed the SEC #2 last year (Auburn) their ass in the bowl game.
SEC fans might want to concentrate on winning more than one bowl game. South Carolina appears to have the only relatively easy road...and who knows with that team.
Since I cannot stand Ohio State or Jim Tressel, I'll be rooting for the Gators and living in hopes that Gator fans might develop something that you cannot take away from Notre Dame fans...class!!!
IrishJT said:
posted on December 5, 2006 9:15 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
By the way, Notre Dame WILL be enjoying the $4.5m that it will get from the Sugar Bowl. There will be plenty of southern recruits there as well. Not only will we not be sharing the money with a conference, whacking it up 11 ways, will be snagging southern blue chips to play under the Dome!!
God Bless those Irish!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 5, 2006 9:25 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Here's what's funny. Most all SEC'ers, just last week, we're hatin' on the Trojans and praying for them to lose. Come early January, all SEC'ers will be lovin' the Trojans, and praying for them to knock out Michigan - in order to dispel the notion that there might be a controversy should Michigan win and Florida win. At which point, depending on who looked most convincing, we could have another split championship. Go Trojans anyway! Although, maybe Pete Carroll in his spite, throws the game and let's Michigan win 51-0. Now, wouldn't that be interesting?
Tommie T
gogators said:
posted on December 5, 2006 9:33 AM — 71.68.30.164 — link — abuse?
i don't even know why this was even a discussion, Michigan shouldn't have even been in consideration or even remotely had a chance at the national championship game. First you didn't win your conference. In Fact, ya'll came in third in your conference behind wisconson and ohio state. You shouldn't even have an option to go. Second, you beat 6 teams with plus .500 records. Florida beat 11. Florida beat 8 teams that are in a bowl, Michigan only beat 6. Ya'll only beat 2 teams that were ranked at the time one a HIGHLY OVERATED Notre Dame team, Florida beat 3. All the facts are there. Come to think about it Wisconson should be in the BCS not MICHIGAN FUCK BLUE!!!!!
PopsMich said:
posted on December 5, 2006 9:37 AM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Final Coaches votes are on the USA Today site.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/graphics/coaches_fb_poll_2006/flash.htm
GatorfaninKY said:
posted on December 5, 2006 11:11 AM — 205.204.242.22 — link — abuse?
Ok first of all both sides need to stop with the "UF is better than Mich." or visa versa infact we dont know which team is better (games aren't played on paper)and these two teams never played during the season. Secondly all us Gator fans should be thankful we got the go ahead to play for the ship because we could have been screwed just as easily as Mich the BCS is flawed we all know that but there's no sense in trash talking or whining Go Gators and good luck Michigan
Fred said:
posted on December 5, 2006 3:03 PM — 64.136.49.225 — link — abuse?
I do not think the #2 team in the Big Ten should be ahead of the #1 team in the SEC. If Florda is not in the BCS Championship, it should be Boise State. Remember a few years ago when Brigham Young slipped into the role as national champs? Everyone knew there were several teams better than BYU that year. There are too many flaws in the current system. The only way to determine a real national champion is with a playoff system! The top ten or twelve teams in the country get into the playoffs. All regular season games should be over by mid Nov and the playoffs start the following week. They would be over by Jan 1 or so and a legitimate national champ could be crowned.
gogators said:
posted on December 5, 2006 3:15 PM — 71.68.30.164 — link — abuse?
as far as LSU vs. Irish...you still have brady quinn and if there is one thing that he has proved is he can't win the big game like peyton manning..ohio state last year, michigan this year, USC this year and last year...in the i believe the words of a great musical composer comes to mine Aerosmith and he said "DREAM ON, DREAM ON, DREAM ON"
Marko said:
posted on December 5, 2006 3:34 PM — 70.127.205.96 — link — abuse?
What is this BS about the SEC being faster than the Big Ten? Ohio State and Michigan's Defensive players are seriously fast. I think Laurinitis runs a 40 in 4.2. No one in Florida could keep up.
I still dont understand how the SEC is "better" than the Big Ten. When we have 3 teams in the top 5. Florida has struggled against mediocre teams all year, and to say Arkansas is a good team after what I saw in the SEC championship game is unbelievable. They are terrible and probably would be a .500 team in the Big Ten. All I know is that when/if Florida gets blown out on national tv, you persistent Florida fans better be back here saying we were right.
gatorstud said:
posted on December 5, 2006 4:22 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
all you michigan fans need to stop crying......the real tragedy came when michigan lost to ohio state..and didn't drop....the first time in the history of the polls.....everyone looks at the 42-39 score of mich - osu game and thinks it was a great game.....it wasn't..and heres why...michigan had the lead for about 5 minutes...and then osu put up 21 points...and michigan didn't get closer than 10 until osu started goofin around w/ the ball....mich defense sure didn't create those two turnovers...mich could not stop osu offense all day....michigan should of dropped at least 2 spots in the polls after that loss to osu.....quit cryin michigan....be happy your in a bcs bowl...finishing 3rd in your conference....
SNAFU said:
posted on December 5, 2006 5:06 PM — 68.1.144.199 — link — abuse?
Reply to post #182:
Michael,
Lesson one Grasshopper; never bring a 2005 rule book to 2006 fight. Lesson two; Find “DON'T penalize INCIDENTAL contact dealing with helmet to helmet (or helmet to and body part) hits”. I could not. So now are you saying the hit on Smith was incidental?
Texas A&M coach apologized for the "late hit" (his words, not mine). On ESPN Sports Center Sat night, Chris Berman said the vicious hit on UCLA’s QB should have been a penalty. So, some one has said something about it.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 5, 2006 5:18 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Marko:
Well then, I expect to see Laurinitis chase down Percy Harvin from behind and flatten him, every time he gets behind all other defenders. Should be no problem - since this is clearly the fastest LB who has ever lived. BTW, a MLB who runs a 4.5 is way fast. He does not run a 4.2 or he would be the next Bo Jackson instead.
Tommie T
JMC said:
posted on December 5, 2006 6:37 PM — 65.188.16.45 — link — abuse?
I believe that Florida will put up more of a fight than people realize. The SEC is the best conference in the country and teams do get better by playing in a tough conference. The Big Ten is good, but it only has 3 good teams. There will be a lot of surprised people when Florida makes it a tough game or even wins!
jerry said:
posted on December 5, 2006 6:47 PM — 24.158.125.117 — link — abuse?
Marko everytime you open your mouth you show how stupid you are! The last time TN vols played mich. in a bowl it was not even a contest. The vols were playing 2 and 3 string players before half time.There is not such a thing as style points here in TN.The press and everybody else who believes in it are idiots.
Two years ago nebraska roughed our young team up, and I am said not to get the rematch this year. I'm glad they had enough class not to believe in style points that year too. A large pill to swallow watching them play there 2 and 3 string,throwing our qb into the goal post. They were much beter than ohio, mich, and penn for many years.
But of all the big 10 mich. is always the most over rated. The year manning left tn they give the heisman to a mich. def.back.How damn rediculous! I will never believe the press hipe of anything in that div. again.
The press always seems to give some ( i mean many) teams given spots in the top ten every year. Like mich,usc,and florida state. Then they play nobody week after week.In the sec every week is a top notch school. Even the weakest like vandy had jay cutler who went pro. Now that spurrier is at sc what a headache.
The sec championship is the national chapionship here! Cause if you win it you are the best team in the country!RUKiddinMe said:
posted on December 5, 2006 7:09 PM — 70.185.169.204 — link — abuse?
TT Post190-Would u please explain to me how there could possibly be a split for the National Title? If Mich. by some chance beats USC (I dont think it will happen but..) it still dosent matter who wins the NCG the winner will be undisputed in regards to MICH.! Now Wis. and Boise St. are another subject, but Mich. lost to tOSU head to head leaving them out of the picture! JMHO, Im not knockin anyone here just lookin for an answer!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 5, 2006 7:58 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Michael:
The announcer's did mention the ferociousness of the hit at the time it happened. Maybe in your part of the country - they went to commercial earlier. Mauluaga definately planned on takin' the QB out. He wasn't out of bounds. The hit looked as if it were in the chest area to me. I'm not saying that it should not have been a penalty - as I'm not square with the rules. But, most teams will sacrifice the 15 yards and automatic 1st down, just to knock the QB out if they get the shot. It's the way that the game is played. Don't think that one of those Bruin defenders would not have tried to kill Booty if they got the shot - because they surely would have. Anytime a QB is out there runnin' around - it's a real dangerous neighborhood to be in. You'll notice that Cowan purposely slid down on his next scamper - well in front of the defender. Had he not - he would have got drilled again. I thought it was a miracle that he was still alive really. Karl Dorrell joked a couple of days later, that they were still doin' brain scans on him, tryin' to determine if there wasn't permanent damage.
Tommie T
bucky in michigan said:
posted on December 5, 2006 8:07 PM — 24.247.241.106 — link — abuse?
"IrishJT
Since I cannot stand Ohio State or Jim Tressel, I'll be rooting for the Gators and living in hopes that Gator fans might develop something that you cannot take away from Notre Dame fans...class!!!"
Why on earth do you hate Jim Tressel?? I understand hating OSU, I live up here in Mich now and hear it all the time - but Tressel is a cool, calm, collected coach who makes excellent plays and is in many people's opinions (including mine) one of the best coaches in the game right now...at all levels. I cannot think why you would have a grudge against Tressel.
As far as Mich fans go....you people are completely ridiculous, and I have to hear you bitch and complain everyday...in person. Stop fighting over #2 - because in the eternal words of Ricky Bobby, "If you're not first, you're last."
Urban Meyer is the most pathetic coach I have ever heard, but his constant whining and complaining got his team the human vote and helped him into the BCS championship game.
I just can't believe all of the complaining about who is #2. Everyone except you fanboys knows that OSU is #1 - it doesn't matter who they would face in the NC game, this is the year of the bucks. By the time it is all over Troy Smith will win the Heisman, OSU will be the first team to beat three #2 ranked teams in one season and walk away with the national championship, and finally when Greg Oden gets his game on...OSU's basketball program will dominate as well.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 5, 2006 8:08 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
RUKiddenMe?
Picture this if you will: Michigan 42 USC 7. Now, Picture this: Florida 14 Ohio State 13. What do you think that the AP voters would do? They will certainly vote Michigan #1. They are not beholden to the BCS system. This is a minute possibility - but it is possible.
Tommie T
RUKiddinMe said:
posted on December 5, 2006 9:17 PM — 70.185.169.204 — link — abuse?
TTpost207-I just dont see it! tOSU is #1, without a doubt, right? Mich. lost to them right? Well then by fault Mich. is out to me! Had the Rose bowl been Wis. vs USC and Wis. won the game then OK split but to split with Mich. is out! Check this out, if tOSU wins and Mich. wins 42-7 would it still be a split? There are good reasons why Mich. should and shouldnt be in the NCG, Im just happy My Favorite got in on a side note, win or lose! If UF wins 14-13, then its a undisputed champ again! Mich. cert. didnt hold tOSU like that, nor could they! But then again with the voters anything is possible! BTW, Im not hoping for USC to win for anything but to bring Mich. fans back down to Earth! USC will do that for everyone in the Rose Bowl! Hell, Id be happy with the split!
Ash said:
posted on December 5, 2006 9:26 PM — 71.52.20.71 — link — abuse?
Tale of the tape.
Ohio State - 12 wins 0 losses - 4 teams ranked in the top 25 at the time they played them 4 wins - 8 Teams not ranked at the time they played them 8 wins. Currently 2 teams of the 4 ranked teams are still ranked in the top 25 and 1 is in a BCS bowl - 10 teams not currently ranked - 5 are not bowl eligible and 1 is not going to a bowl - 3 have 4 wins or less - 1 has 2 wins or less. 2 teams with 10 wins or better. 7 teams playing in bowls games.
Michigan - 11 wins 1 loss - 2 teams ranked in the top 25 at the time they played them 1 win 1 loss - 10 teams not ranked at the time they played them 10 wins. Currently 2 of the 2 ranked teams are still ranked in the top 25 and 1 not ranked before has moved into the top 25 all three are in a BCS bowl (note one of the teams was a loss) - 9 teams not currently ranked - 6 are not bowl eligible - 3 have 4 wins or less - 1 with 2 wins or less. 2 teams with 10 wins or better (again one was a loss). 7 teams playing in bowls games.
USC - 10 wins 2 losses - 4 teams ranked in the top 25 at the time they played them 3 wins 1 loss - 8 teams not ranked at the time they played them 7 wins 1 loss. Currently 3 of the 4 ranked teams are still ranked in the top 25 with 2 not ranked before has moved into the top 25 and 1 is in a BCS bowl - 7 teams not ranked - 2 are not bowl eligible - 1 has 2 wins or less. 4 teams with 9 wins or better (one was a loss). . 11 teams playing in bowls games.
Florida - 12 wins 1 losses - 4 teams ranked in the top 25 at the time they played them 3 wins 1 loss - 9 teams not ranked at the time they played them 9 wins. Currently all 4 of the 4 ranked teams are still ranked in the top 25 (note one of the teams was a loss) and 1 is in a BCS bowl - 9 teams not ranked - 3 are not bowl eligible - 2 have 4 wins or less - 1 have 2 wins or less. 3 teams with 10 wins or better (again one was a loss). - 1 teams with 9 wins or better. 10 teams playing in bowls games.
After reading this Michigan fans I have to apologies, I have been saying you weren’t even the best team in your conference, well I can see why you all wanted another chance at Ohio State, you need to prove that you are the best team in your conference, and by the hard cold facts above you were. I finally agree with you all when you say that the best two teams in the nation should play for the title, and from what I see that’s USC and Florida. How ever you stack it the numbers don’t lie if Florida or USC had the to play in the Big Ten, either one would be undefeated.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 5, 2006 9:47 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
RUKiddenMe?
I'm not faulting your logic - it's right on. But the problem is within most of the voters - they judge everything by what they just saw. I'm tellin' you, if Michigan blows out USC, and Florida just nips Ohio State - they'll forget all about the fact that Ohio State beat Michigan and Florida beat Ohio State. That's because the Ohio State/Michigan game was so close (to them - most of them didn't see the game - they only saw the score) that they'll feel remorse if they look too powerful against the Trojans. Bank on it. This scenario has way less than a 25% chance of happening - but it could happen. It shouldn't though.
Tommie T
T-Mac said:
posted on December 5, 2006 10:01 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
This guy Marko in post 197 says a linebacker from OSU runs a 4.2 second 40 yd. That's comedy right there bro. I once saw Mark McGwire hit a fastball out of Busch Stadium all the way out into the Pacific Ocean. Tommie T has that very baseball sittin at home on his dresser! LOL Marko, bro what are you thinkin??? I ran a 4.2 40 yd out of tha club one night back in College when this Chickenhead wanted my phone number. T-TO-THA-Mac
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 5, 2006 10:46 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
T-Mac:
I couldn't run a 4.2 - I think I was about a 6.0 in the fifty. Damn ChickenHead caught me, and well you know, the rest is history. Good thing you got that blazin' speed - it could keep you from havin' too many kids.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 5, 2006 10:56 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Yep. That infamous ball that McGwire blasted from St. Louis all the way to Palm Springs is still up on the ol' mantle - right next to Mickey's last drunken home run ball. Both my balls are for sale up on E-Bay. They been up there ever since she decided she didn't want the damn things around the house no more.
Tommie T
T-Mac said:
posted on December 5, 2006 10:58 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Tommie, I'm laughin so hard bro I'm cryin. Tommie, if it ever happens again heres what you do. Alright, take off out the door. Stop. Stand there. When the ChickenHead in question runs out then reach out with that Pimp-Hand and give em a whack. Not hard. Just enough to where it will surprise em and then you can get a jump start off to your ride. She will follow Tommie so you gots to hurry. As soon as you get in the ride lock the doors, start it and go before that ChickenHead keys the ride. Last, put in the MC Hammer cd and play YOU CAN'T TOUCH THIS!!! T-TO-THE-Mac
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 5, 2006 11:28 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
T-Mac:
Hey, that's really good advise, and I am gonna go with it, with only one exception: we're either gonna go with "Pretty nice fly for a white guy" or "Punk-azz trippin'" for the tunes. I got a 69' Nova and a 66' Goat now - so makin' the exit shouldn't be too hard to do. I hope that the ChickenHeads like the smell of burnin' rubber - cause they aint catchin' up with this white boy ever again.
Tommie T
Mooka said:
posted on December 6, 2006 1:28 AM — 68.107.102.29 — link — abuse?
This dude Marko is a step child of Socal. I'll give Socal props though be/c he can put a spin on things in a hurry by finding the right stats. Even if he knows he is full of it. I'm debating if I should bet 'em. What should I do Tommie? T-Mac? What do you think will happen in the OSU vs. FLA game? Should I make Marko my personal clown?
Ash said:
posted on December 6, 2006 6:47 AM — 69.21.116.14 — link — abuse?
I had to correct some of my numbers:
Tale of the tape.
Ohio State - 12 wins 0 losses - 4 teams ranked in the top 25 at the time they played them 4 wins - 8 Teams not ranked at the time they played them 8 wins. Currently 2 teams of the 4 ranked teams are still ranked in the top 25 and 1 is in a BCS bowl - 10 teams not currently ranked - 5 are not bowl eligible and 1 is not going to a bowl - 3 have 4 wins or less - 1 has 2 wins or less. 2 teams with 10 wins or better. 6 teams playing in bowls games.
Michigan - 11 wins 1 loss - 2 teams ranked in the top 25 at the time they played them 1 win 1 loss - 10 teams not ranked at the time they played them 10 wins. Currently 2 of the 2 ranked teams are still ranked in the top 25 and 1 not ranked before has moved into the top 25 two are in a BCS bowl (note one of the teams was a loss) - 9 teams not currently ranked - 6 are not bowl eligible - 3 have 4 wins or less - 1 with 2 wins or less. 2 teams with 10 wins or better (again one was a loss). 6 teams playing in bowls games.
USC - 10 wins 2 losses - 4 teams ranked in the top 25 at the time they played them 3 wins 1 loss - 8 teams not ranked at the time they played them 7 wins 1 loss. Currently 3 of the 4 ranked teams are still ranked in the top 25 with 2 not ranked before have moved into the top 25 and 1 is in a BCS bowl - 7 teams not ranked - 2 are not bowl eligible - 1 has 2 wins or less. 4 teams with 9 wins or better (one was a loss). . 10 teams playing in bowls games.
Florida - 12 wins 1 loss - 4 teams ranked in the top 25 at the time they played them 3 wins 1 loss - 9 teams not ranked at the time they played them 9 wins. Currently all 4 of the 4 ranked teams are still ranked in the top 25 (note one of the teams was a loss) and 1 is in a BCS bowl - 9 teams not ranked - 3 are not bowl eligible - 2 have 4 wins or less - 1 have 2 wins or less. 3 teams with 10 wins or better (again one was a loss). - 1 teams with 9 wins or better. 10 teams playing in bowls games.
After reading this Michigan fans I have to apologies, I have been saying you weren’t even the best team in your conference, well I can see why you all wanted another chance at Ohio State, you need to prove that you are the best team in your conference, and by the hard cold facts above you were. I finally agree with you all when you say that the best two teams in the nation should play for the title, and from what I see that’s USC and Florida. How ever you stack it the numbers don’t lie if Florida or USC had to play in the Big Ten, either one would be undefeated.
And just to add fuel to the fire:
SEC 12 teams – 8 with 7 wins or better, 1 with 6 wins. 66% of the SEC have winning records. 1 at .500
Big Ten – 11 teams – 5 with 8 wins or better, 1 with 6 wins. 45% of the Big Ten have winning records. 1 at .500
PAC Ten – 10 teams – 6 with 7 wins or better 2 with 6 wins. 60% of the PAC Ten has winning records. 2 are at .500
How can any one say that the Big Ten was a strong conference, when 50% of the teams had loosing records, while 25% of the SEC had loosing records and 20% of the PAC Ten? I think its time for everyone to start reevaluating the Big Ten.
gatorstud said:
posted on December 6, 2006 8:11 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
hey irishjt..#188 i have had enough of you and your "classless" remarks.....how can anyone...anyone...from notre dame have the nerve to talk about "class"...Notre Dame has alway sat on their perch and watched the rest of the college world go by as if they were special...or should i say more "classy" than any other university.....well, i have two words for you...Ty Willingham....what ND did to him was the most classless thing i have seen a university do.....then your classy universtiy hires weiss and then they gave him a huge contract extension after the first year.....which if you do some research you will find ty's first season is very similar to weiss.....now i am a U of F grad. living near south bend and i can tell you that there you also have classless fans...i witness them everyday......so the next time you want to preach about class...maybe you should go sit in front of "touchdown" jesus and spew your crap....
gatorstud said:
posted on December 6, 2006 8:48 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
hey all you michigan fans that talk about floridas close wins...i have two words for you too.....BALL STATE...at least floridas close wins came against conf. opponents and an in-state rival (fsu).....BALL STATE....there are some high schools that could beat ball state...and MIGHTY MICHIGAN (who says they are the 2nd best team in the country) barely beat them..........................................................................................................................i'm sorry i had to stop typing..i was laughing too hard......
aaron said:
posted on December 6, 2006 10:59 AM — 68.30.192.181 — link — abuse?
I wish every sports fan out there had to sacrifice their tongue. what idiots! I am a born and bred a buckeye, but have loved florida and the gators since my first trip to disneyworld ( i bought an orange and blue gators football while waiting in orlando for the 1985 citrus bowl: osu vs byu). i now could care less for any fans as they do not seem to understand that the game is decided on the field not in the blogs. all the fans do is run their mouths, and now the florida news reporters and gator players are saying that the buckeye players themselves are saying florida is no good (i hope they meant the buckeye fans.) if you are going to run your mouths at least try to be close to accurate. any idiot who pays any attention to college football must surely realize that jim tressel and all his players say nothing but respectful comments for every program in college football, it is what they refer to as a class act and I for one wish both buckeye fans and gator fans could follow their example. respect the game , respect each other , shut up and appreciate the game for what it is: a GAME played between 18-20 year olds where ANYTHING can happen , and not even nostradamous or miss cleo can accurately predict the outcome, if anyone did, it would be a lucky guess. so your predictions, and even your responses will get none of my attention. since i realize most of you just like to hear yourselves talk and very few of you know how to listen or even think. i thoroughly expect all of you to resume running your mouths. I don't expect my intelligence stop you, nothing can stop the american moron machine, we just keep churning out idiots, and you do your best to keep proving it. no wonder the rest of the world hates us.
Aaron said:
posted on December 6, 2006 11:01 AM — 72.20.139.135 — link — abuse?
SEC vs. Big 10
Look, ive heard enough about the controversy from both Lloyd Carr and Urban Myer. Its over and done with and Florida is going to the national championship and thats how it should be in my opinion. Im not going to devalue the big ten just because they have no conference championship, (though most consider the Michigan Ohio state game to be the conference championship) but the fact is that the SEC needs a shot at the national title without all this controversy. Auburn didn't get it in 2004 so i believe that maby its the SEC's turn (though i personally thought that Auburn was the best team that year). The worst thing for Lloyd Carr to be doing as a coach is ranting and raving about how unfair it is. Hes got a huge game coming up against USC and it doesn't even seem like hes preparing and im sure that Pete Carroll is preparing a great gameplan for the Rose Bowl. Carr should be thankful that he doesn't have to play my LSU Tigers and start coaching before its to late.M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 6, 2006 11:59 AM — 216.46.213.163 — link — abuse?
Gatorstud,Actually what you said about the Michigan,Ohio State,game was pretty much what happened.
I really think we could have played seven players on D and done just as well-four lineman and three linebackers.
Why play the secondary when they just stand there and watch the guy catch the ball?
I say throw six lineman and five linebackers and blitz every time!But I will be a good Michigan fan and say "good luck" against them Buckeyes! You better buy a couple remote's to watch the game,cuz if it's anything like the Michigan-OSU game your gonna break a few while you watch ginn,ganzales,and hartline run down the field!
Cane_Nation said:
posted on December 6, 2006 12:00 PM — 205.166.218.7 — link — abuse?
aaron:
Apparently, something on here got your attention or you wouldn't have had anything to say. All bow down to Ohio State and their classy players and coached. Does the name Maurice Clarrett ring a bell. And by the way, I know there are some classless players in Miami. There are classless players on all teams. This is not a gentleman's sport. And for the record, the rest of the world hates us because of pompous asses like yourself.
IrishJT said:
posted on December 6, 2006 2:43 PM — 65.83.54.4 — link — abuse?
Gator Stud,
Couple o' thangs: first, Ty Willingham sucks as a head football coach and was never right for Notre Dame. He had one good season, wherein the Irish lost their last 4 games to include their bowl game. He batted .500 for his career at ND. Look how he did at Washington this year...he may be on his way out there if they don't do very, very well next season. Ty's first season was kinda like Weis' first season...except that Weis followed up his first season with 10 wins. Ty had 6, then 7, then bye bye!!! Weis has done nothing but get us 2 top 10 recruiting classes, the #1 overall recruit (Clausen) this year and take our football team to 2 BCS bowl games...last year's was worth $16m, this year's is worth $4.5. So Weis and his $10m contract is worth every nickle. He's already made the university over $20million just in bowl game revenues. I loved your remark about how "if I did some research" about Notre Dame football though. Kinda funny, actually...like I just woke up with a Notre Dame diploma and decided to watch NBC on Saturdays.As for your remarks about "class," I'll say this: Notre Dame is known the world over as a WORLD CLASS INSTITUTION!!! Do not for one second think you know anything about Notre Dame because you know who their football coach was. Couple other things you would know if you had ever been to the university:
1. "Most Classless" is an improper phrase. Can something be "more empty" or "most best"?? Didn't think so.
2. "Weis" is not spelled W-E-I-S-S. Maybe if YOU had done some research...!
3. The ellipses (...) is used for continuation. Unlike putting three exclamation points or question marks at the end of a sentence for emphasis, three periods does not emphasize anything. A period has no emphasis, other than to end a thought. You had one very long, very long-winded sentence.
Your blasphem of Touchdown Jesus was touching. Living near South Bend hasn't changed you a bit. Be proud you went to Florida. Don't be proud of the jackasses that root for your team.
gatorstud said:
posted on December 6, 2006 3:12 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
to irishjt......still spewing i see...and correcting puctuation on a blog....wow..how busy you must be.....i have been in northern indana for 13 years...i come from a deep irish heritage..i have followed irish football for many years, i was even on the field during the 92 sugar bowl (great game).....and to say that ty willingham was the wrong person then you have to say the same thing about bob davie...your "classy" university gave davie 5 years....and apparently he sucked worse than willingham...cause he still has no coaching job......they gave ty 3 years....he wasn't even working with his own recruits yet....it was wrong, and for you to defend ND about that issue shows your true colors...i hope weis works out.....but without a good quarterback...good luck...i am just wondering if weis does have a 6 or 7 win season what would you say then....and as for spelling you ought to check yours too MR. NOTRE DAME grad......blasphemy is spelled with a "y".....duh..
Cane_Nation said:
posted on December 6, 2006 3:52 PM — 205.166.218.5 — link — abuse?
IrishJT:
Please forgive any mistakes I make either grammatical or punctual. That was a very touching piece you just wrote about how classy Notre Dame and it's fans are. I do know how classless and whiny Florida fans can be (although I am still pulling for Florida to do to the Buckeyes what they did to my Canes in '02). They beat up on UGA every year, and I do appreciate the, because these idiot UGA fans here think they're going to win EVERY year (no reality when it comes to there team. They finally have a string of wins against FSU, but still haven't beaten my Canes in a couple of decades. They still love to trash my team this year. My general rule is unless your team won the last meeting, you can't talk trash.
I don't see alot of Notre Dame fans here in GA, but the few I run across love to talk about the history. That's fine, I do the same with the U. But you, my friend, are the whiningest person on this blog. I've only been on here a couple of months and you have talked more smack to everyone else about their team than anyone else, and then whined about Notre Dame's ranking every since they lost. You know as well as I do that if Notre Dame was in a conference this year they wouldn't be in a BCS bowl. You said yourself on here that they "deserve" to be there because the conferences have already filled all their eligible slots. So don't talk about other teams' fans, when you do the same thing yourself.
P.S. I hate the Smurf Bowl
Cane_Nation said:
posted on December 6, 2006 4:06 PM — 205.166.218.38 — link — abuse?
Michigan fans,
I'm tired of hearing about Urban Meyer politicing. Loyd Carr was on ESPN doing interviews saying how he hopes the voters don't hold it against Michigan for not playing the last couple weeks. Loyd Carr NEVER does interviews, he's always not available. Until, he needs to remind the voters not to forget about him. THAT WAS POLITICING. Albeit alot more subtle than Meyer. And as far as Tressel not voting, I DON'T BLAME HIM. Lat's say he votes for Michigan and Florida gets in, or vice versa. That is some pretty strong bulletin board material, and I think he knows that no one is even nearly unbeatable this year. Let's face it, this was a down year across the board in college football. Case in point, hell, Michigan actually didn't underacheive this year.
What the voters should have done, and I believe those outside the Big Ten and SEC did do, was take a step back and look at the whole body of work. Even if you're a Michigan fan and can take off the blinders for a minute, you'll agree that based on the body of work, Florida deserves to be there. Even if it was ugly.
Ohio State fans better come down from the mountain and look back to their last championship. This Florida team looks alot like your Buckeyes from 2002. I'm not saying Florida will win, but don't overlook this team the way I looked over your Buckeyes against my Canes. Good luck to both teams, I'm looking forward to a good game.
gatorstud said:
posted on December 6, 2006 4:27 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
hey irishjt....listen, i don't want to get in a pissin match w/ you about how classy our universities are....i just seemed like you were spittin on everyone else because they are not associated with ND....i have the priveledge of working on projects within the university of Notre Dame....so i do know that ND acts like it is above everyone else, but what gives them the right..honestly.
it can't be about their football team....they haven't competed for a national title in almost 20 years..so why?......i am just saying that ND has had their share of "egg on face" situations (george o'leary, ty, the booster that stole all that money )...maybe not as bad as my other state university counterparts (um & fsu), but they have had 'em. so, with all that said....good luck in the sugar bowl....lsu is going to be a tough game....and as always, i will root for the irish.......p.s. really sorry for the t-down jesus remark...you were right ....uncalled for...
gatorstud said:
posted on December 6, 2006 4:57 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
hey cane-nation.....i was truly saddened by what has transpired this year at the U.....i hope they get a coach that can bring that program back.....ihave always enjoyed when the U and Florida played.....it goes back to that old saying..."you can't be the best until you beat the best".....the U has handled us in the recent games....i just hope the two schools can bring the game back into the schedule...good luck on finding a coach...
VOLPIMP said:
posted on December 6, 2006 6:31 PM — 208.0.27.10 — link — abuse?
The Big 10 needs to have a conference championship game. Until then this same scenario could haunt them from now on. It's tough for an idle team to hold ground when other conferences have highly ranked teams playing that extra game.
DeepDownThirst96 said:
posted on December 6, 2006 6:46 PM — 69.37.179.98 — link — abuse?
Awww.... isn't that sweet... I just can't believe that UF is on top and the rest of FLA isn't even ranked. I mean, this is the state where football players come from. Every major University should be in the top 25.
Touchdown Jesus is very offensive.........
scarletavenger said:
posted on December 6, 2006 8:23 PM — 70.177.227.36 — link — abuse?
Ash: RE 221...OK...you have us. The Scarlet and Gray will bow down to the Gator presence once they arrive at the stadium (which by the way is our house 3-0 there).
Your "stonewall" defense will keep the Buckeyes at bay, and the best scoring defense in the nation shall be over ran.
I will never root for the loser buckeyes again, I am now a gator fan. I apoligize for my "mis-direction".
Allons BUCKS.
PS. Trojan - You have a lot of balls, or you're just bored. What is it?"
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 6, 2006 8:59 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Scarlet:
Read Post #215 and you'll find out where my balls went. Guess I'm just bored. You better hope that I don't get the last laugh - because I might! Yep, the joke was on me - but don't let that happen to you. Try and stay humble. The wrath of this blog can be difficult. So, go ahead and LYAO - everybody else already has.
Tommie T
posted on December 6, 2006 11:34 PM — 71.227.41.160 — link — abuse?
I freaking hate OSU, but I hope they destroy Florida in Arizona just to prove to all you morons that Florida is an above average team that barely beat Vandy (Michigan beat them 27-7 and Florida beat them 19-25, by less than a TD, both at home for UM/UF) I can't believe people would change their minds after beating Arkansas, I mean c'mon, Florida looked like they did against every other halfway decent team in the SEC, they scraped by. GO BLUE and dare I say it Go Buckeyes...FLORIDA SUCKS
NoleFan said:
posted on December 7, 2006 12:10 AM — 24.211.107.75 — link — abuse?
The only thing I have to say is that I saw the FSU vs UF game and UF had a hard time finishing off our crappy jeff bowden offense. Not only will Florida have a rough time but they will be blown out horribly I feel sorry for them and all of their fans who think they have the slightest chance to win this upcoming game. It will be a big time blow out. 45-14 final score ......bet on this score and you'll make the money...
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on December 7, 2006 8:23 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
Gator Boys you have a major typo in you post. Isn't it national championship for Florida? You can't claim that you have national championships until you can win at least two. Your program isn't nearly as good as its fans believe it is and you would not have even gotten into the national championship game if your coach hadn't been crying in the press for the past month. Ohio State is going to destroy your weak program, then you are going to sink back into the average team that you are.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on December 7, 2006 8:43 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorstud you should be glad to know that UM/UF will play each other in 2008 and 2013. The game on 9/6/08 will be at UF and the game on 9/7/13 will be at Miami. Besides FSU these are the only OOC games that UF has scheduled against a good program. It would be good to see UF decide that they should be playing good OOC opponents. UF's announced OOC games are:
2007 UCF, FAU, Troy, FSU
2008 Hawaii, Miami, FSU, The Citidel
2009 Troy, FIU, FSU
2010 Miami OH, USF, FSU
2011 FAU, USF, Furman, FSUAnyone that reads this list of powerhouses can see why UF is considered to be afraid to play major OOC competition!
gatorstud said:
posted on December 7, 2006 9:17 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
i truly believe hat florida needs to win one more championship to be considered in the elite category....going to three title games in 11 years is good.....not a lot of teams can say that...but, we need to win one more....
to tampa hurricane...every team schedule cupcakes....every team.....and with what happened to your progam this year..i would think you guys would want to play more cupcake games,
that way you could either win or beat them up after (or during) the game.....and as for dave #243...whats wrong???does someone need tissues for his issues....get over it....osu should of waxed you guys..you had no defense....let me ask you this "DAVE" at what point during the osu game did you feel your defense stopped osu....because the 2 fumble certainly were not caused by the defense, they violated you.....the score should of been much worse.......so if you think that osu is going to put up that many points against florida...you are dead wrong....osu might win....but not 42 points......and if i am not mistaken....your "MIGHTY MICHIGAN" team almost lost to ball state....yeah that's right i said it.......ball state.....c'mon dave...ball state...they aren't in your conference.....so maybe you should concentrate on usc....put all your energy there.....you're gonna need it...
P.S...you can keep the box of tissues....it seems your whole state needs itIrishJT said:
posted on December 7, 2006 9:21 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
GatorStud,
All is well. My apologies as well. Good luck against the Fighting SweaterVests. I hope you pull it off.Cane Nation,
Touchdown Jesus is not a mural of the Christ taking it to the house. It is a mural, in limestone and gold, of Jesus with his hands spread out. You used to be able to see it from the field in Notre Dame stadium (perfect alignment with the stadium) and now you can really only see it from the south upper deck. I don't think it is blasphemy at all.If Jesus played football I think he'd score a lot of touchdowns!!! He's also play for the Irish.
Luke said:
posted on December 7, 2006 10:45 AM — 209.251.132.34 — link — abuse?
Hawaii's been pretty good this year.
And how is playing Miami and FSU in the same year as OOC competition considered weak? Miami and FSU are national championship caliber teams on any given year. Along with playing the rest of the SEC, it sounds like Florida's still in the top 10 toughest schedules for the next 5 years.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on December 7, 2006 11:14 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
Luke UF does have a good OOC schedule for 2008; however, they have terrible OOC schedules for 2007, 2009, 2010, and 2011. If you look at the OOC schedules for most other major programs and you will notice that UF is afraid to play other tough teams. Look at UF's OOC schedule for this year, who did they play that is a good team? They played their typical cupcakes for OOC games.
PopsMich said:
posted on December 7, 2006 11:24 AM — 149.173.6.110 — link — abuse?
Meyer to skip Championship Game for "Dancing with the Stars" appearance
Gainsville, FL--The BCS title game is still a month away, but it looks like the Florida Gators will be without their coach. That’s because the Florida Gators, the number three team in the nation, have unexpectedly had their coach pursue his all time passion - Pathos!It seems the recent BCS result where voters placed the Gators in the BCS Championship Game had quite an impact on Mr. Meyer, who has decided to attempt convincing voters from a broader audience. The coach was unavailable for comment at press time, but promised that the next group of dancers will be the "toughest of any competition in America - ever"
Mr. Meyer continues the pattern of reaching ever higher, where he previously coached Utah, and left for the brighter lights of the SEC and Florida.
Editors Note: thanks "CW" for the idea, which I'll take no credit for.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 7, 2006 12:42 PM — 216.46.210.179 — link — abuse?
The Big Ten,does NOT need a conference championship game!
We have one every year either at Ohio State,or Michigan.The Big Ten,needs to add a ninth conference game,and then Wisconsin,would have had to play Ohio State,and they would have two losses.
I hate the idea of a conference champioship game! because sometimes the best two teams are in the same division,Just like the Big 12 North is horrible and the best three teams are from the south!
gatorstud said:
posted on December 7, 2006 12:49 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
to tampa hurricane.....i really do not understand how you can bitch about floridas non conf. sch.....here is miami's non.conf.opp. the last two years....05 - louisianna tech, houston.......06 - flor. a&m, houston, florida international.....wow....real tough ones...so the next time your bitchin about schedules...look at your teams first......it seem miami plays either teams they can beat....or teams they can beat-up in a fight....and it is not as if i don't like miami.......i just don't like stupid miami fans....they are the ones that make miami look bad.....
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on December 7, 2006 1:23 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorstud thanks for proving how stupid gator fans are. You took only the low end of Miami's OOC schedule. If you might notice if you took you head out of your ass, Miami played 4 OOC games in 2006...and two of those games were against teams that won their conference championship. Maybe some stupid gator fan doesn't realize it, but playing Southern Miss 8-5(who lost to Houston in their championship game), UCF 4-8, Western Carolina 2-9, and FSU 6-6 doesn't match up with Miami playing Florida A&M 7-4, Louisville 11-1 (conference champion), Houston 10-3 (conference champion), and FIU 0-12.
That is for the current year. If you look at the future schedules you will see that Miami has games scheduled against teams from major conferences such as: Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Florida, Ohio State, Pittsburgh, and Kansas State while Florida schedules games against teams that are in small conferences not even the mid-majors.
Because you obviously don't know what you are talking about, you might want to visit http://nationalchamps.net/NCAA/future_schedules/index.htm to see some future schedules.
GATORGreg said:
posted on December 7, 2006 1:58 PM — 68.214.120.140 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane...shutup. The ACC blows ass this year and Miami is leading the pack. Enjoy losing the computer bowl and talk shit about peoples schedules and rankings when you get a coach and a team that doesnt lose 6 games and get their team members killed by fighting everyone. Speaking of six losses your comparing UF playing a crappy OCC schedule which includes FSU. Remember your season opener??? Yea you lost to that crappy team. Again the ACC proved just how bad they were this year 3 weeks ago when 3 ACC teams played 3 SEC teams and all ACC teams lost and Miami barely went bowling.
gatorstud said:
posted on December 7, 2006 2:10 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
to tampa hurricane.....wow..you sure got me there, lol....i bet it too all morning and a couple of miami grads (or criminals) to come up with all that...yeah i looked at their future schedule......07 -marshall, fl. inter., 08 - n. texas, ucf 09 - s. florida, ucf...........and you are rite on one account...with the team you have been puttin on the field, those will be tough games for you (sound of unconrolled laughter).......get a grip.....every team schedules cupcakes....THEY ALL DO....and the fact that youre still goin on about it, shows that some therapy is on the horizon for you....go miami flurricanes
GatorMatt said:
posted on December 7, 2006 2:38 PM — 12.186.12.67 — link — abuse?
Has anyone ever noticed that a majority of Miami fans never even attended the school? The just like it that the Miami hoodies happen to be the same gang colors they wear. And they also seem to think that Miami is the best city in the world
posted on December 7, 2006 3:35 PM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?
M Go Blue: You hate the idea of a conference game because it'll probably saddle a good team with another loss. Yea, tell it to the hand and welcome to the SEC where we've been doing it for 15 years now.
For the Big Ten to remain relevant they should get a conference title game. Or do you guys like having 3 conference champions in one year because they all have one loss and nobody played each other? It used to be that way in the SEC and I'm glad it's long gone. Our champion is definitive.
Why don't you guys draft weak-schedule-notre-dame into the Big Ten Plus Two and split into 2 halves? If we're ever going to have a national playoff for D1, then this scenario will be MANDATORY. Hail to the victors then!
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on December 7, 2006 3:50 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatordud again you look at Miami's future schedule and only notice that they have one or two easy OOC games each year and ignore that they schedule games against good programs also. Compare that to UF who besides games against FSU and UM (until UF decides to back out of future games because we dominate your bitch asses) and have no other good teams scheduled. I notice that your tainted future schedule you listed for Miami didn't include: Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Florida, Ohio State, Pittsburgh, and Kansas State. I know from the graduation rates that the NCAA posts that Florida (like all SEC schools) have stupid athletes that can't graduate, but are all their fans as dumb as you also? Look at the entire future schedule and you will notice that Florida is one of the few major programs (Auburn is the same way) that lacks the balls to schedule games against major teams each year.
posted on December 7, 2006 3:56 PM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?
GatorMatt: With an undergrad enrollment of about 8000, very few Miami alumni are out there. I'd say that Miami has more bandwagon fans than even Alabama does in the southeast.
In the late seventies and early eighties, Miami had around 3000 students. Makes you wonder how Schnellenberger and Johnson were able to make them into a football power... $$$$$$?????
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on December 7, 2006 4:01 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
GatorMatt, as I have stated before there are two types of people that claim to be Miami fans. 1. The groupies that don't have ties to the University, wether they grew up in that terrible city, or just started to like the program because of its success and swagger. 2. The true Miami fans that have ties to that great college (wether it be they went there or a family member went there(have to add the family member part so my wife and kid can claim to be true Hurricanes)). I went to the University of Miami for both my Bachelor and Masters degrees and will be the first to admit that the City of Miami is a dump. Coral Gables, where the University of Miami is located is a great place to live with low crime rates and great people. Unfortunately the average Miami hater doesn't understand that the University of Miami isn't located in Miami, so they don't understand that the University is in a great location.
Harvin for Heisman in 08 said:
posted on December 7, 2006 4:13 PM — 72.158.254.34 — link — abuse?
Gotta love the enthusiasm on this blog.
Michigan is not getting the shaft - we all are. And if OSU had to play them again OSU would be getting the shaft! Everyone considers OSU one of the great teams of all time and now we have the chance to find out. Their big early season win against Texas now looks like just an average win. They beat what looks like a very good Michigan team at home. If they played UM again, we'd never know if were indeed a GREAT team - just a reaffirmed Big Ten champ.We are all getting screwed because we would be watching something like the following schedule this weekend if college football wasn't a joke.
#1 OSU vs #8 Wake Forest
#2 Florida vs #7 Boise State (at large)
#3 Michigan (at large) vs #6 Oklahoma
#4 USC vs #5 Louisville
Sorry Wisconsin but the 2 team max rule makes sense and shouldn't be blamed on the BCS - blame it on the Big 10 who can't even count how many teams that are in their conference - get a championship game so that you can crown a true champion. LSU is out because of double secret rule that says a D1 team that goes undefeated should not be barred from the process just because no one thinks they are good enough to be there. Just ask the Beavers who lost to Boise St. by 30 points - yeah the same Beavers who beat USC if they belong. And if Boise's not good enough to be here quit calling them mid majors and create a new division.
We don't need a 16 team playoff - 8 will work every year. I think LSU is good enough to beat any team on any given day - but they didn't (twice) -so they are out.
And anyone that speaks in absolutes about sports never played them or is living in a fantasy world. Let's face it the sports media and weathermen are no different (wrong and no one seems to mind). A couple weeks ago West Virginia was a lock for the NC game, then Louisville, then Michigan, then USC and now Florida.
I listened to Kirk Herbstreet complain for 3 hours about Florida jumping over Michigan based soley on the fact that he THINKS they are a better team. Cmon - I love this guy and want to be him, but three months ago he was telling us that Miami was far and away the best team in the country - yes even better than his Buckeyes. And he's one of the guys that's actually good at his job!!
So if it's not on the field let's just enjoy the season and celebrate it for what it is - the winding down of an out-dated tradition that in 20 years we be trying to explain to our kids!!!!
Lat thing Michigan fans - you will never hear an SEC team that doesn't win the conference whine about not getting a shot. That and that alone is a good reason for a conference championship game.
ND, UM and FSU fans - I am trying to be positive here but you make it difficult. Go blog on the wait until next year site.
Cane_Nation said:
posted on December 7, 2006 4:32 PM — 205.166.218.7 — link — abuse?
IrishJT: (post #250)
Really? I thought it was Jesus going over the top. I am well aware what touchdown Jesus is. Something about it just don't sit quite right with me. Kinda sounds wrong don't you think? "Here comes Touchdown Jesus with Kung Fu Grip. And there is his coach Buddy Christ".
And as far as who he would play for?If you're calling Jesus Catholic, remember the Catholics vs. Convicts game?
From Wikipedia: "Catholics" was an obvious reference to Notre Dame's Catholic character (although before the game, Miami quarterback Steve Walsh noted that Miami in fact had more Catholics on its team than Notre Dame, including himself and the entire Hurricane offensive line).
Just always thought that was a interesting little tidbit.Gator Boys said:
posted on December 7, 2006 5:33 PM — 64.238.162.154 — link — abuse?
Dave, UF played at vanderbilt not at home.
And everybody, i wasnt saying UF HAS won national championships, i'm saying they will. Imagine if Miami was great and recruited Tebow and Harvin instead of UF. That would have sucked. UT gets all the best players from texas, we should get all the good players from floridabucky in michigan said:
posted on December 7, 2006 8:40 PM — 24.247.241.106 — link — abuse?
"Cane_Nation says:
Apparently, something on here got your attention or you wouldn't have had anything to say. All bow down to Ohio State and their classy players and coached. Does the name Maurice Clarrett ring a bell. And by the way, I know there are some classless players in Miami. There are classless players on all teams. This is not a gentleman's sport. And for the record, the rest of the world hates us because of pompous asses like yourself."
Give me a break man. You can't call a whole football program garbage because of one player.
"VOLPIMP says:The Big 10 needs to have a conference championship game. Until then this same scenario could haunt them from now on. It's tough for an idle team to hold ground when other conferences have highly ranked teams playing that extra game."
We had a Big 10 conference championship game this year. It was #1 vs. #2. In case you missed it, OSU won and UMich lost. Stop whining about it.
"Duck says:
As a Buckeye fan, I am glad that Florida is in the NC game. I think Michigan would be a much more difficult opponent than Florida. "
Duck does NOT represent most buckeye fans. I've said plenty of times that I would have liked to have seen a rematch, because it would have settled the score and I am pretty sure that OSU would have one. The 42-39 score doesn't really represent the game, if not for TWO fumbled snaps the score would have been 42-25 - the game was NOT as close as the score says. OSU dominated the game and they would dominate again on a neutral field. They will also outperform Florida in the NC game.
I still don't understand why there is all this bickering about who is #2...come NC game, it won't matter anyway.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 7, 2006 10:00 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Brrrrrr! Must be gettin' a might chilly bout now. Well, hunker down and keep warm. Oh, it's real nice here. Bout 75-80 all week. Perfect practice weather for them Trojans. Heard it was zero, and with the wind-chill factor figured in, that it felt like -28 degrees. Well, doesn't look like them Wolverines are gonna be gettin' many snaps in during December. That might even have something to do with why Northern teams might have more trouble this time of year. It's just a thought. Hopefully, they have some indoor facilities to work out in and run scrimmages.
Tommie T
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 7, 2006 11:30 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Hasnt this been the Worst season of College Football in terms of the quality of teams, in recent memory ???
Not just at the top, but Division 1A as a whole was pretty lame this year... The Big TEN had TWO LOSSES versus Non-Div 1A opponents! So did the Mt West... the ACC, XII and MAC also Lost to Non-Div 1A opponents. Thats just bad.
Especially compared to last Season (one of the best seasons).Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 7, 2006 11:39 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC:
Throw in the fact: all the disloyalty between AD's, President's and coaches - and it's been one of the sickest seasons I can remember. How bout' some of these coaches lying to their players, and several recruits (I am sure), with the assurances that they are not leaving? Fifteen minutes later - they're out the door for more bling. How bout AD's firing coaches for 6-6 records? Man, everybody can't win every year. Come on?
Now, can we blame all these kids who get all confused, and just want to go to the best position to get to the NFL? Can we blame any kid for boltin' his team for the NFL early? Hardly not, when the people who are supposed to be setting the examples, make it all so painfully obvious that it's always all about the "cha-ching".Tommie T
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 7, 2006 11:44 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Taking a Page for the ESPN Encyclopedia...
Name the Best 11 players of your Era/since you began following College Football at each position-unit (QB, RB, WR, OL, DL, LB, DB) plus four at-large picks... no criteria other than "best college players", disregard players' NFL success or lack-there-of.Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 8, 2006 12:34 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC:
Here goes. I'm goin' with 24 players and four alternates.
QB - Matt Lienart, USC
ALT QB - John Elway, Stanford
RB - Barry Sanders, Oklahoma State
RB - O.J. Simpson, USC
ALT RB - Earl Campbell, Texas
WR - Lynn Swann, USC
WR - Anthony Carter, Michigan
TE - Kellen Winslow - Missouri
OT - Doug France - Ohio State
OG - Tom Mack, Michigan
C - Jimbo Covert, Pittsburgh
OG - Brad Budde, USC
OT - Anthony Munoz, USC
K - Sebastian Janikowski, Florida StateDE - Willie McGinest, USC
DT - Warren Sapp, Miami
DT - Bubba Smith, Michigan State
ALT DT - Ross Browner, Notre Dame
DE - Hugh Green, Pittsburgh
OLB - Derrick Thomas, Alabama
MLB - Junior Seau, USC
ALT MLB - Bob Brudzinski - Ohio State
OLB - Lawrence Taylor, North Carolina
CB - Deion Sanders, Florida State
CB - Pat Thomas, Texas A&M
S - Ronnie Lott, USC
S - Kenny Easley, UCLA
P - Ron Colquitt, TennesseeThose are a few guys that I remember that have been pretty fair. There have been thousands of great players. Many have been left out.
Tommie T
IrishJT said:
posted on December 8, 2006 9:04 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
I can't believe that no one has mentioned Tom Brady. The guy is already in the Hall of Fame, has a handful of SuperBowl rings.
Tommie...Matt Leinart? He's done nothing but knock up a sophomore hoopster at SC. Come on dude. You've got OJ in there, so I'm guessing you have heard of Joe Montana too!! How about Archie Griffin?
You are way, way outta control.
gatorstud said:
posted on December 8, 2006 9:21 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
hey tampa flurricane, i will say it once again.....every team schedules cupcakes......hell, 3/4 of your conference are cupcakes.....well, after this season maybe they are not cupcakes for your team...fsu and miami should be dominating the acc...and you don't...miami should of stayed in the big east....at least ther you wpould be the 5th best team in the conf....good luck in the future geting out of the bottom off the acc......youre gonna need it......and you might need to look into some therapy...after reading your last article...you need it...
gatorstud said:
posted on December 8, 2006 9:48 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
hey tampa hurricane...you know we can both sit here and keep jawing back and forth about our teams schedule, but what it comes down to is that every team has cupcakes...i agree that some of the matchups that college football has allowed is ridiculas...do we really need to have div. 1 programs playing div 2 or div 3 programs....hell no.....now, for me personally i would love to see us playing miami again every season...it should be a tradition like uf vs fsu or um vs fsu...it needs to happen every year.....and games like uf vs w car. or mich vs ball state.....or um vs fl. intern.....these games have to go....it is like going down the street and picking a fight with a kid 3 or 4 years younger than you....its stupid......if you wanna be the best..then beat the best...but is it going to happen...i doubt it.....there will always be ball states......west. carolinas.....and florida intern.....and strength of schedule will always be a debate....and the bcs will always be scrutinized......it is truly a shame...
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 8, 2006 11:00 AM — 216.46.213.188 — link — abuse?
Tommie,I CAN SEE THE SUN!!!!! I ALMOST FORGOT WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE!!!!!! I was beginning to think the sun,was a big grey blob in the sky,that had bad dandruff!
Last night,at 9:00 it was 16 F. with a windchill of 10 F. And there is about 6-8 inches of snow! But I live north of Ann Arbor,it may be two degrees warmer there =) Glad I don't live in the upper peninsula of Michigan,I hear they have one week in july,that the snow melts enough to see the ground.
The good news is,it is getting into the upper 20's and low 30's in the day (perfect football weather)
USC may actually have a pretty good advantage in this game.
1-Michigan has to travel four time zones.
2-Adverse weather change.
3-USC stays at home.Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 8, 2006 11:56 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
M GO BLUE:
I have always thought that the teams from "the Great White North" were at a clear disadvantage, as far as game preparation goes, for the Bowl season. I hear they only fly in a few days before the game and get in a couple of practices in the sunlight. I don't know what they have to do when there "snowed in" for a month or so. It has to be a big disadvantage. Although, from my previous post to volstrike3, Michigan has been doin' pretty fair in some bowl games against the SEC.
Tommie T
gatorstud said:
posted on December 8, 2006 12:15 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
i have always thought that it was unfair to keep the bowl games to the south...i know that everyone likes to play in warm weather games.....but, if the big ten, the wac, and the big east have to play in cold weather & snow to get to bowl games then other teams like florida......oklahoma.....usc.....should have to go the similar path.....but on the other hand...southern teams have to play and practice in some of the hottest conditions....the swamp in mid august....a real sauna....i also do not believe in domes.....they should be outlawed.....in college and pros......wussies play in domes.....
"THE" BUCKEYE MARK said:
posted on December 8, 2006 4:47 PM — 70.62.161.114 — link — abuse?
I agree there should be some Bowl games in the North
weather shouldn't be a factor in bowl locations It would make more since to have Bowl games in bigger stadiums of stadiums with 100,000 plus seats 3 out of 4 are in the North"THE" BUCKEYE MARK said:
posted on December 8, 2006 5:34 PM — 70.62.161.114 — link — abuse?
Speaking of Bowls; my predictions
TCU > Northern Ill
BYU Troy S Flor > E Caro
NM > SJ ST
Tulsa > Utah
AZ ST > Hawaii
C Mich > Mid Tenn
FSU OK ST > Bama
Cal Rutgers > Kansas ST
Clemson > Kentucky
Missouri > Oregon ST
South Carolina > Houston
Minnesota Maryland > Pudue
Navy Iowa V Tech > Georgia
Nevada Penn ST Auburn > Nebraska
Wisconsin > Arkansas
G Tech USC Boise ST Wake Notre Dame Cincinati > West Mich
Sou Miss THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY 38 Florida 24By Conference
ACC 4-2
Big East 5-0
Big Ten 3-4
Big Twelve 5-3
Pac Ten 3-3
SEC 4-5
PopsMich said:
posted on December 8, 2006 6:07 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
I hope what follows comes out clearly to make thing easier for everyone. Tommie, thanks for pointing us to that site with all the stats.
This is pretty alarming, being the Big Ten record for each team vs the SEC since 1985 (excluding this season). Ohio St. gets a chance to up their record this year :)
Team W L T
Illinois 0 2 0
Indiana 7 14 0
Iowa 2 2 0
Michigan 6 2 0
Michigan State 1 2 0
Minnesota 2 1 0
Northwestern 0 1 0
Ohio State 1 7 1
Penn State 7 5 0
Purdue 0 2 0
Wisconsin 1 3 0Ash said:
posted on December 8, 2006 7:10 PM — 71.52.20.71 — link — abuse?
GatorfaninKy,
What will really blow your mind is I'm from Kentucky and am really True Blue thru and thru. I have lived in Tallahasse for twenty years and when I moved here I felt I should support one of the Florida teams and sence I have been a Wildcat fan all my life and a natural born Gator Hator and didn't live in Miami, it was only natural that I would choose the Noles. I come to love the Noles as much as my Wildcats, but I have found that alot Nole fans are rooting for the Gators because it means the Championship Trophy comes home to the State of Florida where it belongs.
PopsMich said:
posted on December 9, 2006 8:36 AM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Ash, check yourself! 'Noles pulling for Gators?
What happened to "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"?
Believe me, I'd love to see the Big 10 beat the SEC, but there is no way, no how, not EVER, that I'll pull for OSU to win a game.
We can argue all day about the BCS process, but I won't blame the Gators for that mess.
I'm not ready to shout Go Gators! but for one game I'll stand with 'em.
BuckiNut said:
posted on December 9, 2006 9:43 AM — 65.189.178.33 — link — abuse?
PopsMich,
As a Buckeye fan I differ from you in this way. I root for the big ten and "that team up north" when they play OOC games. I even root for UM to go undefeated every year so that Nov. game can be soooo special. What is better than an undefeated matchup in the final regular season game. I don't hate michigan I respect them, That makes victory that much sweeter.
GO BUCKS
GO BLUE
PopsMich said:
posted on December 9, 2006 12:05 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
'Nut: (I can't even type the other word in your tag). Well, you're a better man than I am.
I don't hate OSU either (hates is too strong). I have tremendous "respect" for OSU's players and coaches. A glance at my posts after the last game will testify to that (OSU's prep was outstanding, particularly in addressing UM's defense).
However, I wouldn't mind seeing OSU lose, more so than "us" winning one for the Big 10. I bet many UM fans are torn between OSU and UF on Jan 8th. We both know you'll be fine without my support that day :)
bucky in michigan said:
posted on December 9, 2006 4:27 PM — 24.247.241.106 — link — abuse?
Since I do live in Michigan now, I'd root for UofM in most of their games...except versus OSU. Now that Michigan fans have bitched and complained so much about not getting the rematch, I hate to do it...but I am rooting for USC. Because I know that if OSU kills Florida and Michigan beats USC, every UofM fan will be complaining for the next year about how they should have been in the championship game - and I DON'T want to hear that anymore. Sorry blue, but I have to root for USC, just so I don't have to hear your whiny asses for the next 6 months.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 9, 2006 6:57 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Best 11 Players of my Era/since following CFB...
QB - Matt Leinart, USC
QB - Danny Wuerful, Florida
QB - Vince Young, Texas
RB - Ricky Williams, Texas
RB - Reggie Bush, USC
WR - Dwayne Jarrett, USC
OL - Orlando Pace, Ohio St
DL - David Pollack, Georgia
DL - Terrell Suggs, Arizona St
LB - #Rocky Calmus, Oklahoma
DB - Charles Woodson, Michigan# - not definite on the Linebacker spot.
- WRs Randy Moss and Larry Fitzgerald each had an Outstanding Sophomore season but Jarrett maintained a level of excellence over 3 seasons(Moss/Marshall was Div1AA in 1996, N/A)... QB Mike Vick/VTech, RB LaDainian Tomlinson/TCU, DB Roy Williams/Oklahoma were also close calls.T-Mac said:
posted on December 9, 2006 7:03 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
So Cal, you are forgetting 1 guy at your best QB spot bro. You must have forgotten him. I know he never won a National Title. A guy by the name of Peyton Manning!
At the tailback spot I would have to mention Shaun Alexander.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 9, 2006 7:34 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
From the ESPN Encyclopedia, borrowing again...
The "Bests" of College Football of your Era (Fugk the NFL)...
- Best Team - USC, 2004
- Best Season - 2005
- Best Game - USC 34-Notre Dame 31, 2005
- Biggest Upset - Arizona St over Nebraska, 1996. As 24-point favorites, the 2-Time National Champs lost 19-0! Previous season ASU allowed 77 points to Nebraska.
Best Bowl Game - Texas 41-USC 38 Rose Bowl 2005/06
- Best Play - "4th and 9" USC-Notre Dame 2005, QB Matt Leinart's audible to WR Dwayne Jarrett . (Best Defensive Play - Oklahoma-Texas 2001, Oklahoma DB Roy Williams "Super Fly Snuka-ed" over both lines to Sack/Fumble Texas QB Chis Simms in the Endzone for a recoved TD).
- Best Fans - BYU
- Best Uniforms - Auburn, Blue. (Best Helmets - Cal)
- Best Book [er, Favorite Sports Movie] - "All the Right Moves"
- Favorite Coach - LaVell Edwards, BYU (Built a mid-major Power, and Stayed. 29 Years, 1984 National Title).
- Favorite Player - Matt Leinart, USC... helped build a Dynasty, and Stayed for his Senior Season, 5th. (Washington QB Marquez Tuiasosopo, San Jose St RB Deonce Whitaker (5'5"), and TCU RB LaDainian Tomlinson were all close calls).So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 9, 2006 7:52 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Best 11 Players of your Era -- for anyone who's gonna give their list, try to stay with the format here (a'la the ESPN Encyclopedia Survey of "experts")...
QB -
RB -
WR -
OL -
DL - (DT or DE, no distinction)
LB -
DB - (Safety or Corner, no distinction)XX - (at-large picks go here)
XX - (pick a TE, FB, Punter if you'd like)
XX -
XX -PopsMich said:
posted on December 9, 2006 10:12 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
QB - Joe Montana, ND
RB - Hershel Walker, Georgia (without a doubt!)
WR - Michael Irvin, The "U"
OL - Dave Remmington, Nebraska
DL - Warren Sapp, The "U"
LB - Randy White, Maryland
DB - Prime Time, FSUXX - Anthony Davis, USC (X man, returns vs ND)
XX - Johnny Rodgers, Nebraska
XX - Colquitt Family (Punters)
XX - Joe Paterno, CoachThat post above about the "Best"....You've got to be kidding me! Tivo some ESPN Classic, get a DVD, do something, put look past the last 5 years.
Gerald said:
posted on December 9, 2006 10:55 PM — 65.12.162.103 — link — abuse?
QB - Tommie Frazier, Nebraska
RB - Barry Sanders, Oklahoma State
WR - Steve Largent, Tulsa
OL - Orlando Pace, Ohio State
DL - Steve Emtman, Washington
LB - Ray Lewis, Miami
DB - Deion Sanders, FSUXX - Herschel Walker, RB, Georgia
XX - Raghib Ismail, KR/PR, ND
XX - Steve McNair, QB, Alcorn State
XX - Ed Reed, FS, MiamiGerald said:
posted on December 9, 2006 11:13 PM — 65.12.162.103 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC:
Hilarious that ESPN chose USC 2004 as the best team ever. Because of the blowout against Oklahoma, so many folks forget stuff like 25 - 21 to Cal, 26 - 21 to 6 - 7 UCLA, 31 - 28 to 3 - 8 Stanford (after being down 21 - 3 at the half), and even a close game against Oregon State. And what great team did USC beat that year, during the regular season, really? Cal?
The best team of the modern era was clearly 1995 Nebraska. Their closest game was 35 - 21 (Washington State) and after that 44 - 21 (Colorado). Not only was Florida (whom they beat 62 - 24) a much stronger title game oppponent than Oklahoma (as Florida won the national title the next year), but Nebraska also played 10 - 2 Colorado, Kansas, and Kansas State teams that, er, actually won their bowl games.
And was that "4th and 9" to Dwayne Jarrett better than Buck Belue to Lindsay Scott in 1981 in the final play of the UGA/Florida game (and UGA went on to win the national title)? No way!
USC 35 ND 31 was better than the 1993 FSU - ND game? No way!
I will concede that the Texas/USC bowl game was probably the most entertaining, but certainly not the best coached or played. Seems like lots of folks have forgotten that Nebraska/Miami title game that came down to a dropped two point conversion that totally changed the landscape of college football. Best part about that game: Tom Osborne could have settled for the tie and still been handed the national title, but went for two and played for the win anyway!
LaVell Edwards? Yeah right. What was Penn State before Joe Paterno got there? FSU before Bobby Bowden? Virginia Tech before Frank Beamer? For all the hype that they get, BYU is just another mid - major program.
Tomcat said:
posted on December 10, 2006 5:38 AM — 69.153.81.120 — link — abuse?
QB Vince Young Tex
RB Earl Cambell UT
RB Ricky Williams UT
RB Preist Holmes UT
ALT RB Ladamion Tomlinson TCU
ALT RB Eric Dickerson SMU
FB Steve Wooster UT
WR Roy Williams UT
WR Jarret Dillard Rice
ALT WR Dante Hall T A&M
TE David Thomas UT
OT Justin Blalock UT
OT Leonard Davis UT
OG Dan Neil UT
C Guy Morris TCU
OG Jerry Sisemore UT
OT Mike Williams UT
OT Jonathon Scott UT
K Russel Erxleben UT
ALT K Phil Dawson UT
Special Teams
Eric Metcalf UT
Romance Taylor UT
Nathon Vasher UT
Dante Hall T A&M
DE Roy Williams OU
DT Casey Hampton UT
DT Shawn Rogers UT
DT Frank Okam UT
DE Tony Brakens UT
NT Steve McMichael UT
LB Derrick Johnson UT
MLB Mike Singletary Baylor
LB Bryan Bosworth OU
LB Nat Ngyen T A&M
LB Zac Thomas Tex Tech
DB Cedric Griffin UT
DB Michel Huff UT
DB Nathon Vasher UT
DB Bill Bradley UT
DB Aaron Ross UT
DB Terrence Newman K-State
P Daniel Sepuleda BaylorAsh said:
posted on December 10, 2006 7:25 AM — 71.52.20.71 — link — abuse?
Offense
QB Matt Leinert USC
RB Bo Jackson Auburn
FB William Floyd FSU
WR Michael Irvin UM
WR Randy Moss Marshall
TE Kellen Winslow UM
C- Antoine Mirambeau FSU
O-Line any one who played for Nebraska in 1994-1995
K Sebastian Janikowski FSU
Special Teams
Peter Warrick FSU
P Josh Bidwell Oregon
Defense
DE Julius Peppers NCarolina
DE Sam Cowart FSU
DE Peter Boulware FSU
NT Warren Sapp UM
LB Ray Lewis UM
LB Derrick Brooks FSU
DB Deon Sanders FSU
DB Charles Woodson, Michigan
S Ronnie Lott USC
S Michael Boulware FSUTomcat said:
posted on December 10, 2006 6:52 PM — 70.242.184.89 — link — abuse?
Hey Luke No bias intended. The team that I follow is the Horns,I really never cared to look at any Florida or California teams games.Micheal Irvan and Deion Sanders are two of my favorite players, however I dont beleive I saw any of their college games. I do remember the Miami vs Oklahoma game when Jimmy Johnson and company put it on Barry Switzer.That game really started the envolpement of what it has become today.
I honestly beleive that a team of Longhorn Allstars could whup anybody, however you will note I included a few TCU, Baylor and OU guys.
That was a tough list and alot ofgreat players were excluded. I saw Julius Pepper on one list and I remember seeing him play at North Carolina. They played the Horns twice and lost.
Hookem-Hornsirondog gator nation said:
posted on December 10, 2006 7:04 PM — 68.235.244.145 — link — abuse?
look here big blue fans!!!! quit your crying and winning.GROW UP YOU GOT BEAT , GIVE THE NEW YOUNG BALL COACH A CHANCE. HE MAY SHOW YOU A LIL SOMETHING SOMETHING, NOW IF BIG BLUE DEFENSE WOULD NOT HAVE HIT THE GUY OUT OF BOUNDS I REALLY THINK YA'LL WOULD HAVE WON THAT GAME.BUT HE DID AND YOU DID NOT WIN SO GIVE IT UP FOR THE BIG ORANGE AND BLUE!!!!!! GO GATORS
IRONDOG WWW.IRONDOGKENNELS.NETLuke said:
posted on December 10, 2006 7:59 PM — 75.117.29.15 — link — abuse?
Haha, you guys are gonna destroy my poor friends at UCF next year. They are building a new stadium and their opening home game next season is Texas. Why they planned that, I have no idea. But they are gonna get blown out at home in their new stadium.
Ash said:
posted on December 11, 2006 6:38 AM — 69.21.116.14 — link — abuse?
Luke,
Not biased just honest I'll stack that team against any and win, just forgot one name.
MLB - Junior Seau, USC
And if you count the fact that all my O-line is from the 1994-95 Nebraska team then it's slightly less the 3/4.
True_FSU said:
posted on December 11, 2006 12:00 PM — 168.82.56.100 — link — abuse?
Gerald, I agree all those stats are total nonsense and are all so recent one wonders if anyone at ESPN has watched college football very long. I too found most hilarious, pretty much any involving USC (Although watching one fat quarterback make almost all the plays to win over "The best team ever" does rate that a very high bowl game). I didn't think they deserved any part of the NC in 2004. As to the best players in college football... don't be surprised that they come from UM and FSU. It will take a few years before people are talking about teams that have had more recent success. The 90's belongs to these two teams. You didn't get a NC without playing one of them during the year and often the Miami-FSU game WAS the NC game. Those kinds of teams drop a lot of Talent off in the NFL.
On that note though Gerald, BYU probably has a lot of eh LDS fans.... So if best fans means most genial then they probably are. Although, I hear good things about the Irish fans too. If it means most hardcore, then that is probably going to be an SEC team or maybe Michigan or OSU. Tennessee would be my guess… but LSU, Georgia and Alabama would be close, with Florida and Auburn not far behind. I live in the south though…. The two best ACC teams for good hardcore fans attendance are FSU and Clemson but I would give Clemson the edge with a slightly smaller stadium that many say is louder and better traveling then FSU fans for sure.
A slight illness infects FSU fans and they won't travel well to any bowls less then a title game. But as the team that has been to the most BCS bowls I guess they get boring...? I went to last years orange bowl personally (may I just say PENN STATE FANS ARE HORRIBLE I thought maybe they were Miami fans incognito) but I will not go to the Emereld Bowl. It is a joke bowl that FSU doesn't really deserve (no offense to UCLA).
Win six... while 4 of those were bowl elidgeable teams, 3 were midmajor teams and 1 of the other two wins was Duke. Miami was the highest quality of win and look at them this year...Our first loss ever to Wake Forest, we also lost to 3 win NC state...AGAIN. Look at FSU's schedule and you could see fans expected more. 2 hard games (thinking Miami and Florida at the start of the season) two other tough opponets would be @FSU (so would Florida) BC and Clemson. Troy is Troy, 3 10 loss teams last year in Duke, Western Michigan and Rice. 8 total home games with duke being one of the road games. That left perennial suck-fests Maryland, Virginia, Wake Forest and NC State... , we lost 3 of 4 of those as well as Clemson, BC and Florida to make what looked like an easy season look like the worst season, ever... (or since like 1976 or so).
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 11, 2006 2:10 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
PopsMich its a list of the 11 Best Players OF YOUR ERA!!!
That makes "ESPN Classic" games N/A.
Another thing, its about COLLEGE FOOTBALL! Leave any consideration of players NFL success or lack thereof OFF YOUR LISTs and OUT OF THIS CONVERSATION.... "Joe Montana" ??!?!?? Was he even an All-American Ever ???
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 11, 2006 2:26 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Gerald, I was probably unclear about that post (295, 300)... That is MY LIST of "the Bests", I'm just borrowing the idea of Surveying the people here on Fanblogs.com the way ESPN Encyclopedia survey-ed a panel of "experts".
Its about YOUR ERA/Since you began following College Football -- if You were following College Football, back 30, 40 years ago, then Id expect to see picks like "O.J. Simpson", "Tony Dorsett", "Jim Plunkett", etc. And LEAVE the NFL influence OUT of it.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 11, 2006 2:41 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Gerald,
Also, notice... its "Favorite" Coach. Its subjective, intentionally so. And by the way, Frank Beamer was on my short-list of favorite Coaches. Joe Pa and Bobby B each have about 40 years of Coaching, situated in talent-ladened regions of the Country and have 2 National Titles to show for it (each)... thats great I can appreciate longevity and what-have-you but... neither one makes my short-list of "favorites".
Cane_Nation said:
posted on December 11, 2006 2:58 PM — 205.166.218.4 — link — abuse?
QB - Ken Dorsey/Matt Leinart Just Win Baby!!!
RB - Herschel Walker
WR - Peter Warwick
OL - Orlando Pace
DL - Warren Sapp
LB - LaVar Arrington
DB - Deion Sanders
XX - Marshall Faulk
XX - Steve Mcnair
XX - Champ Bailey
XX - Rockey Ismail
Of course it's hard not to just list about half of the 2001 Hurricanes. But I'm trying to be as objective as I can without just naming Hurricanes. I hate to leave out Clinton Portis, Jeremy Shockey, Dan Morgan, Jonathon Vilma etc.So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 11, 2006 3:30 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Why would say you "concede" that the Texas-USC game was entertaining? There's no "concede-ing" necessary. It about YOUR PICKS. Give your list. But REMEMBER, its about the best in YOUR ERA. And not "since you been alive"-type of crap either... Example: though I was alive, as a snot-nose kid I wasnt old enough to actually/fully/legitimately appreciate Barry Sanders' College career. So he's not a player of My Era - I cant list him as one of my picks, otherwise I would. And the 1995 Nebraska team also falls on the other side of my cut-off point... though if pressed on that issue, I might have to change my pick.
USC, 2004...
55-19, Oklahoma 12-1 (No. 3, XII Champs)
23-17, Cal Berkeley 10-2 (No. 9)
24-13, VTech 10-3 (No. 10, ACC Champs)
45-7, Arizona St 9-3 (No. 13 Consensus-Rated; egregiously Under-ranked by Polls; Top 5 SOS)
28-20, Oregon St 7-5 (No. 22 Consensus-Rated)Heisman and a bunch of All-Americans all over the field... QB Matt Leinart, RBs LenDale White and Reggie Bush, WRs Steve Smith and Dwayne Jarrett, a young but proficient OL, DLs Shaun Cody and Mike Patterson(Wild Bunch II), LBs Matt Grootegoed and Lofa Tatupu, DB Darnell Bing... Plus Norm Chow and Ed Orgeron were still on the Coaching staff.
gatorstud said:
posted on December 11, 2006 4:30 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
how in the world can you pick "best 11" from college football past.....its like picking the best song ever...or best movie ever....c'mon guys....here are my list of "favorites
QB's
danny wuerful (u of f)
ty detmer (byu)
joe montana (nd)
tommy frazier (nebraska)RB's
bo jackson (auburn)
jerome bettis (nd)
warrick dunn (fsu)
eddie george (the ohio state)OL
orlando pace....how can only one of you that posted have o-pace on your team-thats insulting......after seein that...im stoppin.....i though this was a serious question......no orlando pace....what a joke.....
Cane_Nation said:
posted on December 11, 2006 4:44 PM — 205.166.218.35 — link — abuse?
Best team in the history of college football hands down......
2001 Miami Hurricanes. And not because I'm a Fan, I also really like the '95 Huskers, although I hate Nebraska.
Say what you will about 2004 USC, but they don't stack up. Not even the harshest Cane Hater can deny this team. Look at the lineup:
Starting Lineup
Offense
SE - Andre Johnson
TE - Jeremy Shockey
LT - Bryant McKinnie
LG - Sherko Haji-Rasouli / Ed Wilkins
C - Brett Romberg
RG - Martin Bibla
RT - Joaquin Gonzalez
FL - Kevin Beard
QB - Ken Dorsey
FB - Najeh Davenport
TB - Clinton PortisDefense
RE - Jerome McDougle
RT - Matt Walters
LT - William Joseph
LE - Andrew Williams / Jamaal Green
WLB - D.J. Williams
MLB - Jonathan Vilma
SLB - Chris Campbell
RCB - Mike Rumph
FS - James Lewis
SS - Edward Reed
LCB - Phillip BuchanonSpecialists
PK - Todd Sievers
P - Freddie Capshaw
DS - Chris Harvey / Joe Fantigrassi
HOL - Freddie Capshaw
PR - Phillip Buchanon
KOR - Andre Johnson, Frank GoreAnd Results?
Date UM Rank Opponent Result Score
Sept.1 2 at Penn State W 33-7
Sept.8 1 Rutgers W 61-0
Sept.27 1 at Pittsburgh W 43-21
Oct.6 1 Troy State W 38-7
Oct.13 2 at (14) Florida State W 49-27
Oct.25 1 West Virginia W 45-3
Nov.3 1 Temple W 38-0
Nov.10 1 at Boston College W 18-7
Nov.17 1 (14) Syracuse W 59-0
Nov.24 1 (12) Washington W 65-7
Dec.1 1 (14) Virginia Tech W 26-24
Jan.3 1 *vs. (4) Nebraska W 37-14
512-117
*Rose Bowl, Pasadena, California16 players from the 2001 Miami football team were drafted in the first-round of the NFL Draft (5 in the 2002 NFL Draft: Buchanon, McKinnie, Reed, Rumph, and Shockey; 4 in 2003: Johnson, Joseph, McDougle, and McGahee; 6 in 2004: Carey, Taylor, Vilma, Wilfork, Williams, and Winslow; and 1 in 2005: Rolle).
PopsMich said:
posted on December 11, 2006 5:17 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
So Cal: Lets review your rules and see if Joe Montana makes MY list:
1. Best 11, of which QB is one. He's a QB
2. Must be in YOUR ERA. No problem there.
3. Its about CFB, not NFL. He played for ND.
4. Its MY LIST, not yours. True.Hence Montana meets all qualifications and shall remain on MY LIST.
All kidding aside, I based this on college performance (and not ESPN Classic). I'm a bottom line guy, and like the fact that he pulled out SO MANY games in the fourth quarter (even after looking like crap for 3/4). I don't care about All America or Heisman (look up Pat Sullivan).
In my book, Matt Leinert wasn't even the best left-handed QB in CFB (in my ERA of course). That honor would go to Boomer Esiason of Maryland, a tremendous CFB QB. I probably can't even name another Maryland QB, but I know who Carson Palmer is. That USC team was pretty good before Matt L. took over.
Regan said:
posted on December 12, 2006 2:48 AM — 75.176.150.34 — link — abuse?
C-DOGG (#329):
I know ya didn't ask, but I'll give ya my take on it..
04 Southern California Offense vs. 01 Miami Defense:
EDGE: Miami. Why? I don't care either who or how many powerhouse players are on offense here, Ed Reed and the 'Cane defense would have been able to stop them. The 04 Trojan Offense was one of the best in history, but they NEVER had to contend with a Defense like 01 Miami's. Even throw in Mike Williams; Miami's Secondary would have INT's all over the field.
Don't get me wrong - that Trojan Offense was amazing, and ONLY a unit like the 01 'Cane D could have shut them down. They would have scored some points; but not enough to win in the end...
01 Miami Offense vs. 04 Southern California Defense:The Trojan D in 04 was better than it was in 05; however...unless the game was played in cold weather in November, there is no way they could have shut down Dorsey, Portis, the United Nations O-Line, Shockey, Beard, McGahee, Gore, geez...
01 Miami vs. 04 Southern California Special Teams:I have no earthly idea. Sievers and Capshaw were very good, and Buchanon was great with punt coverage; but I know nothing of the 04 Trojan ST unit...
BUT MOST OF ALL:The 2001 Hurricanes had something the 2004 Trojans did NOT - DRIVE. They felt they were the best team in the nation in 2000, and had something to prove...big time. The 2004 Trojans had just won the AP #1 Ranking the year before. No Chance...
That Trojan team would have beaten virtually any other team I have ever seen into powder, but not the '01 'Canes...not with Ed Reed giving the Locker Room speeches...
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 12, 2006 2:20 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
IrishJT:
Why do you always miss the point. The question was "greatest college QB". Joe Montana did so little in college that he was drafted in the 6th round I think. He was okay and I think ND may have won a National Championship with him. But, if I recall he was even alternating with another QB or couldn't beat him out or something to that affect. I doubt if he threw for 180 a game in college. Montana only played two years also. Leinart broke just about every Pac-10 record (no small feat) and played for three years and only lost two games. Statistically, Leinart was head and shoulders over Montana at the college level. He probably will never be what Montana ended up being in the pros.
Tommie T
gatorstud said:
posted on December 12, 2006 3:06 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
how can anyone not talk about danny wuerfful...florida gators 1993-1996
4- consecutive sec champinships
1- national title
1995-obrien award
1996-obrien award
-johnny unitas award
-walter camp award
-maxwell award
-heisman award
set nearly every record for quarterback at florida and in the sec and set a lot of ncaa records......but yet no-one talks about him.......what a jokeTommie Trojan said:
posted on December 12, 2006 4:36 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Cane_Nation:
Most of what I have seen, or read about, has the 01' Miami rated as the 2nd best team of all-time (right behind the 71' Nebraska squad). How they determine that is all speculation of course. I'm sure 01' Miami would have killed the 71' Cornhuskers or any other team from that era. The 04' USC team was rated about 14th all-time if I recall.
That said: it would have been a great game. The Miami defense would have been better for sure. I think the QB edge goes to USC - but the receivers were very young. Bush and White were only sophs. If it were the 05' USC offense, coupled with the 04' USC defense, then I would have to take USC. But, both offense and defense units combined in 04', I'd have to go with Miami. I think that the 05' USC, with that spectacular offense (inspite of how bad the defense was), was a much more explosive team. They just happened to run into a Texas team that also averaged 50 a game - with Texas having the better defense. Otherwise, we'd be talkin' about the 05' USC team instead. The 05' Texas team is rated 3rd all-time because they beat that team. So, the 04' team was still too young and I think that 01' Miami would have beaten them.Tommie T
PopsMich said:
posted on December 12, 2006 5:44 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
I'll give you Steve Young, but not sure if I can rate his College achievements. I know, BYU had some good teams then, but McMahon was just as spectacular so it was tough to distinguish.
As with Leinart after Carson Palmer, Young succeeded McMahon. In both cases I think the overall team had plenty to do with the QB's success. I'd still go with Boomer. He was a great college QB and lifted Maryland on HIS shoulders. They haven't seen anything like him since.
Some other awesome college QBs with the knack for winning (and elevating their teams).
Plunkett, Stanford
Elway, Stanford
JC Watts, Oklahoma
Charlie Ward, FSU
Troy Aikman, UCLAIts impossible to pick only one, so NP with Steve Young.
Lastly, though unintentional, I haven't named one Big 10 player in ANY of my picks. I certainly must have overlooked something.....
no B(ia)S here.So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 12, 2006 10:04 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
gatorbud,
You gotta do it, make the cuts, wrestle with your own arguements as to which 11 are the best... come on, it leaves 4 at-large bids for those 2 Quarterbacks that you just cant decide on to make you list.
And by the way, I counted about 4 or 5 of us that listed Orlando Pace ! he's the one guy thats been on mosts lists, so what are you talking about?
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 12, 2006 10:20 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
PopsMich,
Dont trip yourself up PopsMich, even if you are joking... Youre own quote talking about someone elses list (Post 302):
"That post above about the "Best"....You've got to be kidding me!..."
Who's list was it Pops ??? Not yours. But really, "Montana" are you sure you're not mixing in his NFL success in your determination ?
And... Matt Leinart had the intangibles that most Quarterback dont have, including Carson Palmer. REMEMBER its about COLLEGE FOOTBALL, Strictly! Palmer had a collection of 3 seasons that were about as 'Under-Achieving' as it gets, one season in 2002 doesnt erase the rest of his College career/performace.So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 12, 2006 10:30 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Cane_Nation, Miami 2001
... The Coaching would be the deciding factor for me. (I used to defend the guy, but introspect... that was a mistake).
And again, DO NOT ALLOW any NFL Influence onto Your Lists!!! Leave the NFL "draft break-downs" out of you decision making; think of it this way, the NFL didnt exist/doesnt exist.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 12, 2006 10:45 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
PopsMich,
Matt Leinart had a good Offensive Line and a True Freshman WR coming back when he took over the Trojans in 2003... but he also had a true Soph (1 TD, prev yr) and a bunch of Freshman RB recruits in the Backfield with him (Reggie Bush was probably the 4th/5th option, then)... The first pass he ever threw was a Touchdown, on the Road at Auburn. And as far as accomplishments: Two National Titles and a Heisman - he contended for the Championship Every year he was a Starter.
No, its not just about the Hardware, and it takes more than a QB to win a Title... but Matt Leinart's college career in its entirety left an indelible mark in College Football history.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 12, 2006 10:53 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Gator Hippy,
Someone questioned my pick, so I had to respond, thats how it goes - its about the Topic!
Wait, what are you even refering to anyway (post 336)??? I cant start a "Best 11" survey/discussion on this "BCS, Ohio St vs Florida" blog?
Just roll with it Ga-Hip
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 12, 2006 11:10 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Just how lame has this 2006 College Football season been ??? The ESPNers, in their Finite wisdom say that the 2nd Rated Conference was a 'disappointment'. I may not disagree, but they fail to relize that the entire DIVISION, 1A, as a disappointment this year!
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2690004
Meanwhile...
USC is rated 4th, Cal is 11th, Oregon St is 17th, UCLA is 20th, Oregon is 25th, Arizona St is 31st, Arizona is rated 34th even as a 6-6 team! by the Consensus Ratings. Only Stanford is Rated in the "Bottom Half" of Division 1A for the conference (below 60th; 119 teams in D1A)
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 12, 2006 11:17 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC:
My ratings are even worse than that. For the year I still can't get USC out of the #2 spot. I noticed that the line has moved to favor USC by one over Michigan and it had opened at around 2 1/2 for Michigan. So, maybe they won't seem that bad. Although, with Oregon State's win over Hawaii - that has to help the conference SOS. I don't know where it could have dipped at all from earlier in the year. The only other thing that happened was that USC killed Notre Dame.
Tommie T
gatorader said:
posted on December 13, 2006 1:03 AM — 64.252.19.99 — link — abuse?
Forget about what the so-called experts say.
Under the rough coinditions, UF prevailed.
Considering that, they should be number two.
Kicking is a major weakness in their game though.Michigan's schedule wasn't really that tough.
It's conference doesn't even have a championship.
Changing that bit would be good for the Big 10.
Having a conference championship is important.
I think that every conference should have one.
Give the teams a chance to fight it out!
Ann Arbour, you should listen to my words!
Now look again and see what I mean!!
!
!Neeners...
bignasty said:
posted on December 13, 2006 4:29 AM — 66.215.113.101 — link — abuse?
Mich. officially lost by three, but the game wasnt close at all. The center of OSU fumbled 2 giving up the ball and they were able to appear close with those mistakes. Not to mention OSU would have put it down Mich. throat again if they wanted or needed to, but instead put a knee on the ground to finish the game with class. Osu dominated Mich. . . its official. Good year Mich but you got exploited all game. OSU is on another level, no one can run with them.
Duck said:
posted on December 13, 2006 4:53 PM — 64.122.40.19 — link — abuse?
Gatorader:
When all the Gator fans speak of Florida's schedule being tougher than Michigan's, where do they get this information? I was just looking at the Sagarin ratings and it appears that Michigan had a tougher schedule than Florida.
PopsMich said:
posted on December 13, 2006 6:00 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC:
I think that ESPN article was too rough on the PAC 10. You can't discount USC's romp over the SEC West Champ as it was a quality win.
However, I don't think the picture is as "rosy" as painted by the Consensus ranking you mentioned. Most other rankings have it about the same, with USC and Cal solid, and with Oregon St./UCLA rounding out the top 25.
The bowl games will speak volumes given the conference pairings.
Nobody knows what the cross-conference strengths really are, including the "voters" charged with making the calls. In that sense, its been another outstanding season, full of drama, confusion and illusion. We'll see.....
One thing for certain is that ALL teams are flawed, and exploiting those weaknesses is THE name of the game. That single aspect is what makes CFB so great vs the NFL, where everyone truly can play (some a little bit better, but they all can play).
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 13, 2006 10:13 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
PopsMich,
My point (sorta) is that if they think the PAC is mediocre this year, I wonder what think of the ACC and XII this year - horrible ???
But atleast they do admit up-front that they weigh teams at the top "heavier" than the rest of the teams in the conferences, er, lazy/incomplete-style. The Consensus Ratings DONT make the caveat -- truely un-bais Rankings.So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 13, 2006 10:23 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
PopsMich,
The Bowl results will only be a p-o-r-t-i-o-n of the entire view of how the confs rankings break down this year. Bowls are not adding "volumes", its more like adding 'pivotal chapters'... (allow me to interject my own caveat here: Nothing is definitive either way)... remember the conferences play many more "cross-confs" games (most face over 40 inter-conf matchups) than just the 5, 6, or 7 that they'll play in Bowl games.
PopsMich, would you agree that this season in college football has been under-whelming (in various aspects) to say the least ?
Mo Johnson said:
posted on December 13, 2006 10:33 PM — 71.120.12.188 — link — abuse?
Sorry Ryan and all you Mich. fans.
Much of the country is in the midst of the first real cold snap of the season. But you’d never know it from the hot air coming out of Michigan. Lots of upset people blowing a lot of steam over nothing.
The final computer and human rankings were thrown into the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) cauldron and low and behold a live Gator was pulled out. By the way, it was the human voters who saved the day because the BCS computers had the Gators and Wolverines dead even.
I don’t know what the computers were thinking, but anyone who saw Florida come from behind to beat Arkansas 38-28 Saturday night to win the SEC Championship knows what I’m talking about. What a thrilling game? Florida showed its tremendous team speed, talent, and ability to make big plays when it needed to. Talk about going for it? How about that 4th and 10 fake punt -- from its own 15 yard line while trailing in the 3rd quarter? That takes guts! That was the play that earned the Gators a trip to the National Championship game to face the Buckeyes on January 8th in Glendale, Arizona.
Florida is a conference champion with a 12-1 record. Michigan is the runner-up in its conference with an 11-1 record. It’s difficult to understand how anyone could possibly think a second place team (with one less victory) should go to the National Championship game over all the other conference champions.
And we are not talking about a dominating conference in the Big-10. I mean, nothing against the Big 10, it’s a fine conference. But it is clearly no SEC. Just take a gander at the BCS final top 20. 5 teams from the SEC; 3 from the Big-10. How about bowl bids? SEC – 9 bowl bids (most of any conference). Big-10 – 7 bowl bids.
How about non-conference schedule? The SEC was an amazing 41-7 versus non-conference opponents in 2006. This .854 winning percentage blows away any other conference. (Check out http:// www.secsportsfan.com/sec-football.html for more information on SEC football). So, Florida is the Champion of the toughest conference in the nation.
Florida had the toughest schedule in the nation (opponents winning percentage of .643). The gators had 4 quality wins over Tennessee, LSU, Georgia, and Arkansas. Michigan only had 2 quality wins – Notre Dame and Wisconsin.
How boring it would have been to see Ohio State and Michigan for a second time this season (104th time overall). Instead we have two great conference champions from different regions of the country. Florida and Ohio State will be playing against each other for the first time in history. I can hardly wait.
Certainly the BCS system is flawed. College football needs a playoff. No doubt. With the current system there are always more than two teams at the end of the year that can make a strong case they should be in the National Championship game. Someone always feels jilted.
But, if you have to pick only two teams to play for the National Championship – this year those teams have to be Ohio State and Florida. The only thing I don’t understand is why there is even a controversy. It would have been a disgrace to pick Michigan over Florida. So, at least for this year, the BCS got it right. It was easy choice.
Mo Johnson, a long-time SEC sports fan, is the author of this article. He is publisher of www.secsportsfan.com.
PopsMich said:
posted on December 13, 2006 10:55 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC:
I think the bowls finally have the right teams representing the conferences to make a statement. I don't mention or consider UM beating Vandy for comparing the Big 10 and SEC this year (not relevant). The OSU/UF game will be a better barometer, along with related play (Wisconsin/Arkansas). More like defining, pivotal chapters.CFB underwhelming? Heck no. Its the beauty of ALL TEAMS having flaws and weakness. All ready for exploitation. That is what makes CFB so great.
I'll use Michigan as an example so as not to incite supporters of other teams and conferences. UM's front 7 is awesome and had a great year. However, the remaining 4 were ripe for the pickings by OSU. 10 yard cushions, poor (no) tackling in the second level (2 TD runs). Stupid reaction on 2nd and 1 fake (Ginn TD). It was high school level execution by the secondary, and OSU knew it was there for the taking.
I give OSU credit. They were the only team UM faced that had the skilled players (and coaches) to execute (so many times on 3rd down). Others were sacked, or threw forced incompletions in most cases.
Now lets look at the mighty OSU. UM torched that defense, which had not allowed 20 points all season. Henne missed an open (by 10 yards) Manningham that was important in the first 1/2. They found a cure for Laurenitis, who wasn't heard from all game.
End result: Great drama, but those flaws are there, and for EVERY TEAM. So here is where that game left me: Wondering if these really are the two best (among all flawed teams), or just an ordinary 2 among the top tier.
As a Big 10 fan, I'm wanting to find out this January. I think most (rational) fans are looking at their own conference that way. Its outside the conference that we finally get a chance to measure.
gatorstud said:
posted on December 14, 2006 8:18 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
hey ryan #354......the real tragedy came when michigan lost to ohio state..and didn't drop....the first time in the history of the polls.....everyone looks at the 42-39 score of mich - osu game and thinks it was a great game.....it wasn't..and heres why...michigan had the lead for about 5 minutes...and then osu put up 21 points...and michigan didn't get closer than 10 until osu started goofin around w/ the ball....mich defense sure didn't create those two turnovers...mich could not stop osu offense all day....michigan should of dropped at least 2 spots in the polls after that loss to osu.....quit cryin michigan....be happy your in a bcs bowl...michigan doesn't deserve it....and the whole nation agreed.....get over it...
HarvinforHeisman07 said:
posted on December 14, 2006 1:46 PM — 72.158.254.34 — link — abuse?
PopsMich
"Wondering if these really are the two best (among all flawed teams), or just an ordinary 2 among the top tier."
Finally a true college football fan! Congrats. We all know there is only one way to find out. USC would have been logical, but they proved to be unworthy - so the Gators get the shot. Who outside of the Big 10 would have really cared about a rematch?
I am a Gator and I have to say that I told more than one friend that the best thing to happen to college football would have actually been if Michigan was SELECTED. If that would have happened the BCS life span would have shortened by at least 50% because of the outcry. But of course, my emotions got to me and I celebrated our SELECTION like every other Gator.
I've said it before on this blog but the real TRAVESTY should be about why we arent watching Ohio State, Florida, Louisville, Wake Forest, Oklahoma and USC (automatic bids) and Michigan and Boise State (at-large) playing for a true national championship?
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 14, 2006 2:37 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
PopsMich,
THEY ALL COUNT! Referencing your Michigan vs Vandy example, you take it for what it is, nothing more nothing less. Regardless and Irregardless of the "mis-match" situation, It Is Accounted For (it is relavent). And its not necessarilly about 'heads-up matchups' between conferences either, its the Overall performance of a confernece as a whole that must be considered. Always keep in mind, Everything is Relative.
College Football is great, partially for the reason that you seem to be giving: its a little messy/gritty, its not sanitized like the NFL. But Im talking about this season in particular (not focusing on Michigan); I think it was 'lacking'. It was like the entire sport (college) had a rebuilding season or something (Michigan not withstanding).
Michigan @ Ohio State was one of the better games this season though. Texas @ Kansas St was probably the best/entertaining this season.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 14, 2006 3:09 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Moe Johnson,
Florida's Opponents - a lot of them had Fluffy schedules themselves. Dont be so glib as to take the "Opponents' Records" as an accurate representation of a team's Strength of Schedule, its not that simple/obtuse.
The collection of these SOS ratings...
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cf&mid=6
http://www.andersonsports.com/football/ACF_frnk.html
http://www.colleyrankings.com/currank.html
http://www.cfrc.com/Ratings_2006/SS_15.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt06.htm... are far better representations of true SOSes of teams than this...
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/2006/Internet/toughest%20schedule/ia_9games_past.pdf
... Florida did indeed face a strong schedule, but not the toughest, and Michigan's SOS wasnt that far below that of Florida's.
Mo Johnson said:
posted on December 14, 2006 4:13 PM — 134.152.66.64 — link — abuse?
So Cal
so, if not Florida -- who do you say had the toughest schedule? you cite a collection of ratings and i suppose they all have different ways to calculate and come to different conclusions. that's fine and certainly there is room to debate the issue. but, i think opponents winning percentage is a pretty fair and understandable criteria. And, it's not like Florida comes from a weak conference. If you don't think Fl had the toughest schedule -- tell me who did and why you say that. i'd be interested to hear a case for someone else.
Duck said:
posted on December 14, 2006 4:23 PM — 64.122.40.19 — link — abuse?
gatorstud:
If I remember correctly, Notre Dame did not drop any spots last year in its close loss to USC. Michigan played a tough game IN Columbus. Why did Michigan deserve to drop? They clearly showed that they were worthy of being ranked #2 by hanging very tough with Ohio State, the #1 team in the country, at home.
As an Ohio State fan and alum, I am glad the Buckeyes don't have to face Michigan again. I think it would have been a tougher matchup than Florida. I guess we'll see on January 8th.
PopsMich said:
posted on December 14, 2006 6:53 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Question about Troy Smith:
I believe he deserved the Heisman. However, there is one thing we keep hearing about Smith, being "his mental toughness" as a leader.
The problem: In probably his biggest game thus far (Michigan, of course) he sulked badly after the interception. It wasn't even his fault (a tipped ball). The sideline reporter (?) stated he was disconsolate and couldn't be approached by his teammates (as the camera showed someone patting him and walking away from his seat on the bench).
Subsequently, there was the fumbled snap. The last turnover was simply rolled by the center (Datish) and he had no role.
So looking at that scene, I'd question the "mental toughness" being emphasized. Troy Smith has shown great leadership and a fierce competitive fire. However, what happened that day can NOT happen at the next level. You typically don't see that scene on Sundays.
ps; This isn't about UM, as you can read any of my posts where tons of credit is being given to OSU, the offense and coaches for that game. I'm asking about one incident that seemed odd to me, given all the praise for "mental toughness"
Comments?
Ash said:
posted on December 15, 2006 5:53 AM — 69.21.116.14 — link — abuse?
Duck how can you say Michigan schedule was tougher then Florida's. 50% of the the teams Michigan played are not bowl eligible. Where as 23% of the teams Florida played are not bowl eligible, that stat alone speaks volumns about both thier seasons.
IrishJT said:
posted on December 15, 2006 8:49 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Mo Johnson & Gator Fans/SEC Fans,
I'll tell you what I've been saying all season...if you want dibs on "the toughest schedule" you can't play the OOC schedule the SEC powers play. I'm sorry, but any team that can't find 12 decent D-I teams to play and schedules Western Carolina as a result cannot boast about its schedule. The Sun Belt walk-overs that the SEC schedules every year, along with the occasional D-II team (Citadel comes to mind), diminishes, in my mind, the SECs strength as a conference...never mind their SOS. Play the academies, FIU or any team in the Big East Conference...but don't brag about a schedule that doesn't include 100% D-I college football teams. Big boys play with big boys. The JV plays on Thursdays.I hope Florida, as the lone SEC rep and me, as an Auburn fan, hands Troy Smith their ass. Urban Meyer is a whiner and is known across the country as a 'whiner.' Win the game and all will be forgotten. Lose, and it'll stick. Lose big, and he'll be a laughing stock.
Duck said:
posted on December 15, 2006 12:06 PM — 64.122.40.19 — link — abuse?
Ash:
I'm just going off of what I saw on the Sagarin ratings. Florida fans always clamour about how tough their schedule is, but according to the statistics, Michigan had a tougher schedule. Do you say that Florida had a tougher schedule because Florida is in the SEC, or some other reason?
IrishJT said:
posted on December 15, 2006 3:25 PM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Gerald,
Couple of things: I never said the SEC is a laughing stock. If maybe you read more carefully or EVER PAID ATTENTION on these blogs, you would have noticed that I was strictly speaking of Urban Meyer ("he'll be a laughing stock"). Pay attention.Also, Notre Dame has won more national titles than all of the ranked SEC teams combined. I suppose if we went to the IHOP Bowl or the JiffyLube Bowl and played Kentucky we'd probably get on a bowl-game win streak, but we prefer the big dance, the big show, the big dollars and are happy to play big opponents.
Like I've said before, the SEC might only win one or two bowl games. South Carolina is the SEC's best bet. I know, I know...LSU is gonna kick ND's butt! Where have I heard that before?? An SEC team saying they were gonna pound the Irish...oh yeah, Tennessee. Thumped that ass 2 years in a row! It was Florida before that. Alabama 5 out of 6 times. Anyone else?
Luke said:
posted on December 15, 2006 4:41 PM — 67.35.110.26 — link — abuse?
You know what pisses me off, all these anti SEC and anti UF fans can't help but bring up the famous "Sagarin" computer rankings. You idiots always cite the most biased and useless computer ratings you can find. How about you mention that Sagarin also has the top 10 toughest SOS as all Pac 10 teams? That alone should be a reason you guys can't use them as a reason to back your argument.
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 15, 2006 4:58 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
IrishJT,
Since when is 17-14 win over UT in 2004 a thumping. 2005, we sucked, no excuses. Since 2000, you are a whopping 2-2 vs. the SEC
As far as your national titles go, when was the last one? You have won 1 since I was born.
Bryan said:
posted on December 15, 2006 5:27 PM — 24.243.190.163 — link — abuse?
Justification is as follows:
Can anyone make a valid argument for why a team that could not win their own conference should have a shot at being the #1 team in the nation? I think not. Shut up and suck it up Michigan fans.Ash said:
posted on December 15, 2006 8:26 PM — 71.52.20.71 — link — abuse?
Duck
I saying that when you play against 6 teams with loosing records, your stats will always be skewed, if the point differential is extreme (Michigan out scored 5 of those opponents by 20 or more points), and held them to under 14 points (which they did to 5 of the 6) then your statistics will always look good on paper. They can easily go against you as well, if you allowed 21 or less points then you would drop statistically, but still be 11-1.
Michigan played 6 teams that aren’t even currently bowl eligible and had loosing records when Michigan played them, and they played in a conference that 55% of the teams had loosing records and that’s not just on paper that’s reality. Florida only played 3 teams that aren’t currently bowl eligible and had loosing records when Florida played them, and they played in a conference where only 25% of the teams had loosing records. The only head to head you can put the two defenses against is Vanderbilt. Michigan beat them in the first game of the season 27-7, Florida beat them in the tenth game of the season 25-19. You can give an argument in both directions, Michigan got them when they just starting the season , Florida got them when they were giving everybody a run for their money.
Florida played 4 teams in the top twenty five and only loss to 1. Michigan played 2 teams in the top twenty five (you can’t count Wisconsin they weren’t in the top twenty five when they played them and we need to point out that 8 of the teams they played have loosing records) and only loss to 1. Every time you scratch the surface reality says , that pound for pound Florida had the second toughest schedule in CF. USC had the toughest . The Big Ten (Eleven) has always been the media darling because of their glorious past , and look very good on paper, but when you shine the light of reality on the conference, then the holes in the paper start to show through. A note should be made that all those teams with loosing records were loosing to bottom tiered teams in other conferences.
It should also be noted that the top three teams in the Big Ten all played at least 6 teams with loosing records while the top three teams in the Pac Ten and SEC only played 3 teams with loosing records each.
Of course as I always said anything can happen and any team can beat any team on any given day.
Ash said:
posted on December 15, 2006 8:41 PM — 71.52.20.71 — link — abuse?
Irish JT,
Every Championship ND has won was by the vote of the sports writers (AP), never in a head to head matchup. And again this is the first year they have been to a BCS bowl. LSU ain't going roll over for them ND boys, so I wouldn't be braggin just yet.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 15, 2006 10:31 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Ash:
Nice job on post #376. Most folks just won't understand what your talking about. There is something to be said about playing a weak schedule. Notre Dame has lost eight straight Bowl games because they insist on packing their schedule with really bad teams. Really bad teams cannot get you ready for "Big Games". Also, the Irish have lost to USC 6-7 straight times. We're losing count. I think they split them with Michigan though. So, what's that say? Notre Dame can beat Michigan but not anyone else. Kinda backs up your theory somewhat. I am a proponent of the teams that are the "most blooded" are going to play the best in "Big Games". Let's give Ohio State somewhat of a breat though - as they have gone out and scheduled Texas over the last two years. They have future dates with USC also. So, they are trying to keep the competition level up. Nevertheless, they have played two good teams all year, Texas in the 1st game, and Michigan in the last. This may not be enough to get them ready for Florida. And, I don't think that Notre Dame's two games against Michigan and USC, is gonna have them sufficiently ready for LSU. Likewise, I don't know if Michigan's three games against Notre Dame, Wisconsin and Ohio State are gonna have them ready for USC.
Now, all these teams do have talent. They all recruit pretty well. If they lose - then it probably throws some credence to the theory.Tommie T
AUtigerman said:
posted on December 15, 2006 10:47 PM — 68.1.33.227 — link — abuse?
Ok all you Mich.fans
I know its cold up there but you really need to go out and get some fresh air and put away whatever it is your smoking. The championship game is Ohio state Florida. Michigan has no chance to win it none. Now the espn crew will vote for them even if they lose but the sane ones would never be that stoned to not give it to Florida if they were to pull it out.They screwed the Sec two years ago and that may be part of the reason Florida got in. However Florida deserves a chance and if they do win will easily win the National championship, oh by the way Michigan will still be ranked third. Better luck next year.PopsMich said:
posted on December 15, 2006 11:04 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
TT: USC's games against Oregon St. and UCLA got them ready for Michigan.
You guys are talking in circles to convince yourselves.
Examples:
1. Exhibit No. 376: "Michigan beat Vandy in the first game of the season 27-7....Florida beat Vandy in the tenth game of the season 25-19. .....when they (Vandy) were giving everybody a run for their money."The above is supposed to make Florida look good, right? Well, Vandy got Florida in the tenth game, when Florida was peaking, and still nearly beat them. Oh, doesn't look so good, huh? Reminder, Vandy = 4-8.
2. Exhibit No. 378: "Notre Dame can beat Michigan but not anyone else. Kinda backs up your theory somewhat.....I don't know if Michigan's three games against Notre Dame, Wisconsin and Ohio State are gonna have them ready for USC."
Now stay in the present boys, and lets not compare scores or stats from our games against ND. The above won't look good for your argument once again. TT, don't worry about UM being ready, just worry.
Here, let me help you along with another:
OSU opponents had an aggregate W/L of +3. That includes a Michigan team that is 11-1. We should just hand the trophy to UF, since clearly OSU has no chance, right? I mean, you can't compare that to the mighty SEC, blah, blah, blah (yeah, right.....)That my friends is why they play the games.....
Tomcat said:
posted on December 16, 2006 12:50 AM — 69.153.81.120 — link — abuse?
Hey Tommie T Homer? Heck ya I guess so.To name your favorite 11 is dam near impossible.Sure I named more than 11 and I excluded alot of great players.Most of the games I've attended over the years were in Austin, Houston or Waco.I would loved to have included Barry Sanders on my list, however in 88 the Ok State cowboys only had one game televised.I was probably in Austin that day watching the Horns. Now things are different and with at least 7,8,9 networks broadcasting 2 or 3 games a piece we are able to see more of other teams from other conferences.Back in the day there were fewer Bowl Games and most were played on New Years Day.The old SWC champion would usually host the Cotton Bowl.Someone mentioed Joe Montana and I seem to remember that they beat the Horns in the Cotton one time.I also recall the Horns beating Alabama{Joe Namath} and Navy {Roger Stabach} in the Cotton Bowl.Homer Ya I guess so.
So Cal Top 11 ? Man I could make a list of 11 running backs or Quarterbacks.How about top 11 high school players like Drew Brees{ Austin Westlake} or Eric Dickerson {Sealy Tigers}Cedric Benson{Midland Lee}Steven McGee{ Burnet Bulldogs}
Vincent Young{ Houston Madison}.
Homer Yes
SWC teams in Bowls
Texas Tech
Arkansas
Houston
Texas A&M
TCU
Texas
Rice 7 outa 9 teams in bowlsThe Mayor said:
posted on December 16, 2006 2:36 AM — 67.174.192.148 — link — abuse?
Ash #377
Re: Notre Dame
"And again this is the first year they have been to a BCS bowl?"
Really? I do not care for Notre Dame, but give them their due...
2001 Fiesta Bowl vs OSU Beavers
2005 Fiesta Bowl vs OSU BuckeyesThey lost them both, but I am sure they were BCS Bowl Games...
The Mayor said:
posted on December 16, 2006 2:47 AM — 67.174.192.148 — link — abuse?
Irish JT:
#372
"I suppose if we went to the IHOP Bowl or the JiffyLube Bowl and played Kentucky we'd probably get on a bowl-game win streak, but we prefer the big dance, the big show, the big dollars and are happy to play big opponents."
2005 Insight Bowl an unranked ND (6-5) vs. an unranked Oregon State (7-4)...and you lost, badly!
I don't know the attendance figures, the gate or the TV draw....but I am pretty sure that is considered a something less than a big dance or big show.
Short Term Memory Loss?
Ash said:
posted on December 16, 2006 5:44 AM — 71.52.20.71 — link — abuse?
PopsMich says,
First I am an FSU fan so I don’t say or write anything that makes Florida look good. It seems that you forgot to include, when you quoted me “You can give an argument in both directions,”. I only used “Michigan got them when they just starting the season , Florida got them when they were giving everybody a run for their money.” as an example that you could argue ether way. TT was right when he said “Most folks just won't understand what your talking about.”. but now that you have opened that can of worms. On the same day “ Well, Vandy got Florida in the tenth game, when Florida was peaking, and still nearly beat them. Oh, doesn't look so good, huh? Reminder, Vandy = 4-8.” Michigan in the tenth game, when Michigan was peeking, got Ball State, and they nearly beat them. Oh, doesn’t look so good, huh? Reminder Ball State=5-7. Let me think both of those games were on November 4th 2006.
PopsMich said:
posted on December 16, 2006 12:05 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Ash, as Lee Corso would say "Not so fast...."
Is the Vandy coach a former assistant to Urban? Was he an assistant at UF?
It was 34-12 early in the 3rd quarter when the starters were pulled. That was a mistake by Carr, and his former student became the teacher (like Bo did to Woody). There is no way lloyd was going to run it up on a former assistant. His "kindness" nearly cost him.
So you might say....but it was BALL St! Well, there is one thing we may agree on. The "reserve" DBs for UM failed the test/trust put in them to close it out.
That last point is disturbing for UM. The first string (back 4) were manhandled in the OSU game. Hall missed a critical tackle, Ginn's TD, missed tackles on the 2 TD runs. If they are that bad, and the reserves got torched by Ball State, then that IS a problem. Hopefully, Ron English (newly named DC of the Year) will fix it.
Strangely, he was the DB coach before becoming DC. He fixed the front 7, but man the back 4 need work.
PopsMich said:
posted on December 16, 2006 12:29 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Ash, now that I've answered your post(385), I'll remind you that I'm not comparing Vandy, though others might (UF or UM supporters). I am taking exception to using UM as the example.
Heck, somewhere on these Blogs I mentioned UM's 6-2 record vs SEC (last 20 years) and didn't even include the Vandy game this year.
What I am saying is: line 'em up and play because most comparisons being made won't hold water. So if your Post 385 was meant to "reason" through UM vs the SEC (or UF), then I'm laying the 6-2 record on you.
You picked the wrong target in UM for comparison to the SEC, since OSU is something like 1-7 in the last 20 years vs SEC teams. Overall, the SEC has the better W/L ratio head-to-head vs the Big Ten in that same time period.
We've got 3 good ones lined up to find out:
Tenn vs PSU
Wisc vs Arkansas
UF vs USUBelieve me, if the SEC dominates, I'll be the first to say it with another "Sober Assessment"
However, I'm not buying the hype for now.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 16, 2006 2:18 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Mo Johnson,
I think the consensus ratings have Arizona's SOS rated No. 1 this year. (Caveat: the Bowl results will change the Ratings one last time). Stanford, USC are a couple of other teams with highly rated SOSes.
Arizona - half of their schedule consists of current BCS-Top-25 teams: @ LSU, USC, Cal Berekely, BYU, Oregon St, @ UCLA, @ Oregon, Arizona St, @ Wazzu, Washington, @ Stanford, and some *non-D1A team.
USC - ALL 12 opponents are BCS teams, 6 Road Games and only 6 Home Games, Half their schedule consists of current BCS-Top-25 teams, only 1 of their opponents is Rated in the "Bottom Half" of College Football (any one of those facts by itself would make for an impressive schedule): Notre Dame, @ Arkansas, Cal Berkeley, @ Oregon St, Nebraska, @ UCLA, Oregon, Arizona St, @ Arizona, @ Washington St, Washington, @ Stanford
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 16, 2006 2:42 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Mo Johnson,
No offense, but that really is too simplistic a way to go about determining SOS. Think of a comparison of 9-4 Ohio... to... 8-4 Penn St, or 7-5 UCLA, or even a 6-6 Minnesota, sh!t, or even a 5-7 Washington! Ohio isnt as good as any of those teams (Ohio is Rated 60th, Washington is Rated 46th by the Consensus Ratings; the ratings that are used in the BCS system).
Collectively, the SEC faced a whole lot of hoOorrible opponents Out-of-Conference, which fluffed-up their "records"... (using the PAC's schedule for comparison)...
Of the SEC OOC opponents, 13% are current BCS-Top-25 teams... 69% are Rated in the Bottom Half of College Football... 38% are Rated in the Bottom 30
Of the PAC OOC opponents, 39% are current BCS-Top-25 teams...39% are Rated in the Bottom Half of College Football... 10% are Rated in the Bottom 30
SEC, 17% were on the Road
PAC, 39% were on the Road
Luke said:
posted on December 16, 2006 4:23 PM — 67.35.110.26 — link — abuse?
All you guys love to make fun of the SEC for playing weak OOC games. Unlike your conferences, our conference games are our tough games, so we rest during OOC games. You guys play lousy teams in conference so you get to finally play some good teams OOC. And then you have the nerve to say your OOC games are better. Well then I will say that SEC's in conference games are harder then your in conference games.
And you want to complain to me about it? Fine go ahead, but my team gets to play in the national championship, so I could really care less. You guys should schedule weak OOC games like Ohio State and Florida and maybe you'll get to play in a championship one year too.
IrishJT said:
posted on December 16, 2006 5:36 PM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Ash & Tommy T,
I guess 1988 vs undefeated West Virginia for the National Title was not a head to head matchup? I guess 1973 bowl game against Alabama was not a head to head matchup either? Notre Dame won both (by the way, that 1973 season is CURIOUSLY counted as one of Alabama's mysterious NT's...joke!!).Notre Dame's schedule is roughly the same as it was in 1993...the year we were last ranked #1. We had just beaten USC 10 years in a row and I was a junior at Notre Dame. You Johnny-Come-Latelys have no respect or temperance for tradition. There is ebb and flow to big time programs.
GA Boy said:
posted on December 16, 2006 11:19 PM — 66.110.197.20 — link — abuse?
Irish JT. Can't say you guys don't have the most storied program out there but good lord, can you just admit that you don't have it like you used to? It's like a rerun every year. You come out ranked high. You win a few. Drop one that you were supposed to win. You beat on the service academies, lose to USC and somehow get an at large bid to a BCS bowl. LSU will had you your arss in the Sugar Bowl!! It will be a pleasure to watch.
Ash said:
posted on December 17, 2006 6:49 AM — 71.52.20.71 — link — abuse?
PopsMich says
We can dance this dance all night and still not agree, I’m not trying to demean Michigan, (Michigan is a great program and great school), but defend Florida’s right to be in the National Championship (and as a Florida State fan you don’t know how much that hurts to do). All everyone has said and is saying, that Michigan, not Florida should be playing in the NC. For what, one game, that’s it!!!Before the Michigan/Ohio State game all these same experts who want the rematch, were saying , when asked the what ifs, if the stars align, if planets are in proper orbit and the looser of that game, moves into position to possibly be in the NC game should they. And almost unanimously they said no, to a person they stated that who ever lost that game would had their chance at the championship, until after the game and the cash registers started going off and all the TV rating hawks realized how much money they could make on that rematch (I.e. ESPN). Well the stars aligned and the planets are in proper orbit and yes the looser of the what ESPN is calling the game of the century (please) moved into position to play in the championship game.
The only glaring glitch to this plan was Florida did what they had to do, win their conference. The reason why humans and not computers decided the final outcome, was because on paper Michigan looks great, statistic are what they are numbers, if you score 7 points off your defense and nobody else scores off defense then statistically you have the best scoring defense in the nation and still be 0-12, that’s just plan truth. Stats are why the computers have Ohio State winning 76% of the time against Florida. But we don’t live in a statistically number generated world, we live in reality, and in reality had USC done what they were suppose to do, there would be no question or controversy as to who was #1 and #2, in reality all the Big Ten (Eleven) teams played much weaker opponents then the PAC Ten and SEC, which padded their stats.
Now having said all that I will say one more time for everyone, in the real world anyone team can beat any other team on given day, (UCLA-USC as an example). What I will also keep saying , that Florida and Ohio State should be happy that Michigan and not them are playing USC, because pound for pound they are the best team in the Nation. Does that mean Michigan doesn’t stand a chance, no Michigan has a lot of talent, is a very good team, and that above all other reasons is why they play the game on the field and not in the computers.
Ash said:
posted on December 17, 2006 7:55 AM — 71.52.20.71 — link — abuse?
IrishJT
I stand corrected on when I said Notre Dame has never played a head to head 1v2 for the championship 1973 sugar bowl was indeed a head to head, however West Virgina was ranked #3 in 1988, so you can't call that a head to head. I should also point out that Notre Dame recognizes on thier web site Alabama's Championship in 1973, you need to know your own team better.
And by the way as a Florida State fan I feel the need to remind you when talking smack, you might want to leave 1993 out of the conversation.
If want to talk about tradition 11 of Notre Dames championship (consensus or co) came before 1950 Yale had 24
IrishJT said:
posted on December 17, 2006 11:27 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Ash,
So because Notre Dame recognizes that Alabama recognizes 1973 as one of their NTs...that means I don't know my own team. That might be the dumbest thing I've heard on this blog...EVER! Do you honestly think that Notre Dame does NOT believe it was the national champion in 1973 and actually thinks that Alabama, a team it beat the last game of the season in the Orange Bowl, was the "real champ"??? Is that what you think...seriously????You aren't by chance related to Diggs the Mountie??
Also, as a Florida State fan, you should recognize that your 1994 NT was and will always be a FARCE!! FSU, ranked #1, lost handily to Notre Dame.
National Champions: 24
Notre Dame: 31Yeah, it is really tough to talk about 1993 with a Florida State fan. They have to be reminded of the ass beating they took by the boys. Ash, go back from where you came. You're new to the blog. No one wants you here or your dipshit comments.
Ash said:
posted on December 17, 2006 4:10 PM — 71.52.20.71 — link — abuse?
Irish JT
First whether you like it our not I am here to stay, with my “dipshit comments”. Again because you are a Notre Dame fan you would know that in 1973 both Notre Dame and Alabama were recognized as National Champions by the top four polls of the time, Notre Dame was recognized by the AP, FWAA, NFF and Alabama was recognized by the UPI, the NCAA acknowledged them as co-champions, but you of course knew this being a Notre Dame fan. I can see that your knowledge of Notre Dame’s history is very impressive, of course in your attempt to enlighten me, it easy to see how you forgot that Notre Dame played Alabama in the Sugar Bowl in 1973 not the Orange Bowl, but I understand how that’s an easy mistake to make. Notre Dame played Nebraska in the 1973 Orange Bowl (it was played in January 1973, the Sugar Bowl was played in December 1973) and lost 40-6, and I’m not even a Notre Dame fan.
You can call the 1993 season a farce, but Florida State was the consensus National Champions that year, and Notre Dame didn’t get the job done in the end. Notre Dame may have won the battle but we won the war.
IrishJT said:
posted on December 17, 2006 6:21 PM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Scott,
First, I think you're wrong. Second, have you forgotten the Ty Willingham days. He owns the top 3 worst losses of all time!!! He was horrible for Notre Dame's program and set us back further than Davie could have dreamed. He's now continuing his jinx with Washington. He should have stayed at Stanford where 7-5 is a pipedream.The Irish seniors have a lot to prove against a very skilled LSU team. LSU's secondary is weak and ND will score a lot of points. IF the Irish can contain Broussard and the run, Notre Dame wins by two touchdowns. If LSU runs for 8 yards a pop, like Mich and USC did, Notre Dame doesn't stand a chance except to score 49 points.
By the way, you can thank TY WILLINGHAM for forgetting to recruit a defense. We've been starting freshman and sophomores in the defensive backfield and will probably start 7 frosh on D next season. Thanks Ty...you're a helluva jackass...I mean coach.
IrishJT said:
posted on December 17, 2006 6:24 PM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
...and by the way, Brady Quinn is the best player in college football - hands down. No player meant more to his team than Brady Quinn. Ohio State might have lost ZERO games this year without Troy Smith. Notre Dame would have lost 5. That speaks volumes of the skill level at which Brady plays. Quinn is the first QB to go in the draft, probably the first to go over all. Troy Smith will go early in the second round and be a third string QB who knows he's over-rated. Everyone's good in the pros. You won't be able to hide against Cincy and Illinois.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 17, 2006 7:53 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Luke,
the guy, PopsMich asked a specific question about SOSes, this isnt about dog-ing the SEC for its lame OOC SOS (neccessarily)... perspective, Luke... Its about which approach is best to use in determining teams' actual SOSes. Florida did indeed have a tough schedule (relatively speaking), but you wont determine that by looking at "opponents records", thats too simplistic. That would give a distorted view of things. Most of Florida's opponenents were SEC teams, a significant percentage of SEC teams' opponents were fluff (ei, nearly 7 of 10 were "bottom half" rated teams).
To be clear, this year the SEC is the top confernece (w/Bowls YTBD), but that doesnt negate the fact that, collectively, they faced a fluffed-up SOS and a pitiful Road schedule.
Luke, do you understand that the Conferneces dont exist in a bubble; that we wouldnt be able to make a determination one way or another about the strength of the Conferences if not for the OOC matcups/results? (legitimate question, btw)
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 17, 2006 8:25 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Irish TJ,
Who recruited Brady to ND? Samardzija? Landri, Zbi, Ambrose, Abiamiri, Trevor...?
Notre D might be feeling the Willingham effect in 2007, those talented upper-classmen will be gone (2004 was his 'bad' recruiting class).
Luke said:
posted on December 17, 2006 9:25 PM — 67.35.110.26 — link — abuse?
Oh, I do understand about the conferences not existing in a bubble. Which is exactly why michigan and ohio state are overrated (even though they are very good they are not the best,) this year.
I also say to put as much money you can on arkansas and lsu winning their bowl games. I'm a gator fan and I think the florida - ohio state game has a 50-50 chance of going either way based on turnovers, so it's too risky to bet on it. Also bet $ on tennessee winning. I can't speak for any of the other SEC teams, but the teams I mentioned will win. mark my words... if they don't you can make fun of me all you want :-D
IrishJT said:
posted on December 18, 2006 8:48 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
SoCal USMC,
Brady had made a determination in high school that he wanted to go play at Notre Dame. He's catholic and a fan. While Ty undoubtedly sat in his Dublin, Ohio mansion, Ty could have not opened his mouth and Brady was still headed to South Bend. In fact, the more Ty opened his mouth the more Brady thought about taking Troy Smith's job.We've been feeling Ty's hangover since he was named head coach. I can't believe the guy didn't have ONE Top 100 defensive player. Maybe the recruits knew something we ALL should have known...Ty wouldn't be there for their senior season.
HarvinforHeisman07 said:
posted on December 18, 2006 1:06 PM — 72.158.254.34 — link — abuse?
Congrats to the ONLY true NCAA football champions that will be crowned this year.
Div I AA - Appalachian State
Div II - Grand Valley State
Div III - I believe Mount Union won it the other night?Amazing how these student athletes somehow manage to survive a full season and then a 16 team tournament to determine a champion. I guess it's just too confusing for all these big time conferences!!!
EER10 said:
posted on December 18, 2006 2:12 PM — 129.71.238.253 — link — abuse?
#250 IrishJT. How dare you make the statement that Christ would play for the Irish. You must be very sick ! Jesus did not think of himself as being better than ANYONE. That being said, Your posts constantly belittle and bash other individuals and their Universities. I do recall
that there is only one Kingdom and it is not in South Bend !AllEers said:
posted on December 18, 2006 2:30 PM — 162.129.27.201 — link — abuse?
IrishJT:
I am a Big East fan. Kind of unbiased when it comes to ND or OSU; from what I've seen Troy Smith has been a VERY strong quarterback in all games I've watched them play in. I have seen Quinn, again a strong quarterback, get frustrated, flushed and throw unadvisable passes. Regardless of the strength of the line and everything else, I've seen Troy Smith composed in the pocket, take off when he has the right amount of daylight, etc...
Overall two strong quarterbacks, but ridiculous to say Quinn is the better quarterback "hands down".clemson1981 said:
posted on December 18, 2006 9:21 PM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
i know im a little late on this one but i saw where everybody was talking about best fans and best players heres my opinion:
best fans: a tie between LSU and Florida
Best Stadium-Autzen Stadium
Loudest stadium-im biased-CLEMSON (126 DECIBLES)
best helmets: Michigan
Best tradition-notre dame
greatest winning tradition-So CalI am only going to name the best player at one position because NOBODY ON HERE MENTIONED THE GREATEST RUNNING BACK WHO HAS POSIBLY EVER PLAYED IN COLLEGE!!!!
BEST RB: TONY DORSETT- pittsburgh
gatorstud said:
posted on December 19, 2006 2:18 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
man, all of you need to lighten up...it is just a game of football....on paper "the ohio state university" has a really good team, but that is why they play the games...i believe florida WILL give them buckeyes a run for the money......and as for who "jesus" would root for...who do you think made the sky "BLUE" and the sun "ORANGE......."GO GATORS"
Duck said:
posted on December 19, 2006 8:57 PM — 64.122.40.19 — link — abuse?
Luke (#403):
Please explain how Ohio State and Michigan are overrated because they went out and played some stronger teams in OOC games. Ohio State went out and played Texas and also played a pretty decent Cincinnati team. Michigan went out and played Notre Dame. In the future, both of these teams will be playing other BCS conference schools. Not just the bottom dweller BCS schools, but some teams that are always near the top of their conferences.
Now, the point is always made that the SEC teams always beat up on each other in conference play. I agree with this. However, how do we know that the SEC is the best when these top teams of the SEC don't play anyone good outside of their conference, except for Arkansas which got rolled by USC? These teams might just have a lot of parity and beat up on each other because they have similar talent. I would argue that this goes to show that the SEC may be full of some overrated teams, not the other way around.
From what I can tell, the SEC gets most of its credit by putting itself in a bubble and then getting a lot of media hype about how it's the best. The bowl games will show if this hype was justified. It would be nice if some of the top SEC teams would travel outside of the south to play some football before December. That could put to rest some questions now being asked.
IrishJT said:
posted on December 19, 2006 9:20 PM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
By the way ALLEERS & EERS & Mountaineer fans everywhere...it is correct that Jesus was neither Catholic nor Irish.
You all are very insightful. I wonder if it had crossed your minds that Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity, so it would have been very difficult for the Christ to be a diciple of Christianity, much less prefer a denomination...especially since there weren't ANY denominations when Christ died. However, Catholicism was the only recognized...and is the longest recognized...following of Christianity. In other words, da Catholics have spent more time recruiting then the rest of y'all.
Also, Ireland became a country in 1922 when 26 counties rebelled against the English crown. It had been under the thumb of the Britons since 1801, and under the Romans when England was part of the Roman Empire. Of course, 'Ireland' had been there since before Christ and St. Patrick acted as a missionary in the 5th Century...but we don't have time for your anachronistic references/comparisons.
Speaking of St. Patrick, he was Irish...and a bad ass! He played for Rockne and scored three touchdowns in the 1988 Bowl Game versus West Virginia. He was named the MVP and went to Euro Disney for the holidays. He fought Ali in Manila and was eventually appointed as the Irish Ambassador to the UN where he presided over the Good Friday Accords. He later went on to serve in President Lincoln's administration as his Special Liason to NASA. He has since retired and may now be living in Istanbul. I hear he is now "helping people", whatever that means. To this day, Rockne says that Ole Paddy was his best center fielder.
How's that for anachronistic???? (Diggsy...just look it up!)
"THE" BUCKEYE MARK said:
posted on December 20, 2006 6:57 AM — 70.62.161.114 — link — abuse?
Post 411
you implied that Tressel would recruit 3 QB's in one year? He recruited the Heisman winner who already proved he was the superior athlete in some bowl game last season. Brady Quinn is only a big name because he plays for Notre Dame. Notre Dame is an ARROGANT University which explains why most of their fans are ARROGANT. I am going to make an educated generalization and say that what I know about Dublin Ohio and Notre Dame that they have a lot in common and Brady would most likeley be a better fit at Notre Dame than at a "lowly" public school like THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY.Irish JT your insults are LAME
IrishJT said:
posted on December 20, 2006 9:05 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
BuckeyeMark,
Maybe my insults ARE "lame", but at least I know how to spell "LIKELY." Also, people don't make "educated generalizations," they do make stereotypical generalizations OR educated guesses. In either case, your envy of all that is Notre Dame, as juxtaposed to your station in life, might be why you have developed such animosity towards a university tht has absolutely no rivalry with your favorite Buckeyes.Finally, "Brady is only a big name because he plays at Notre Dame" is a ridiculous statement. His stats are better than the Heisman winner, his future is brighter than the Heisman winner's and the pro scouts have him going in the top 3 in the draft...and the Heisman winner going late first/early second round. I know it hurts, but the best QB plays for the Irish, is Irish, is Catholic and has a more valuable degree than YOU!!! If you don't believe me, ask the Maxwell Award, Unitas Award or O'Brien Trophy voters.
Go Irish! Go Blue! Go Gators!
BuckiNut said:
posted on December 20, 2006 9:39 AM — 65.189.178.33 — link — abuse?
BUCKEYE MARK,
Although I agree that Irish JT makes some very "lame" remarks on this site, I wish you would refrain from making "educated generalizations" that put Buckeye fans in the same catagory. Dublin Ohio is a very fine part of town, Brady and the Quinn family are very fine people and tOSU colors are Scarlet and GrAy [not grey] any Buckeye fan should know that.
GO BUCKS beat Gators
FEAR THE NUT !!!HarvinforHeisman07 said:
posted on December 20, 2006 10:53 AM — 72.158.254.34 — link — abuse?
Really tired hearing about how the SEC teams don't play tough OOC schedules. Should Ohio State get more credit for scheduling Texas in a home and home than Florida does for scheduling FSU EVERY year? I don't care about FSU's down year, they are one of the best programs in the country over the last 20 years. And UCLA showed how you can throw the records out in these types of games. I'll put FSU and 8 SEC games(with the chance of a ninth against the West champion) against any other school's schedule on a year to year basis.
And who cares about the other OOC games? Give me Western Carolina every year!
Face facts - the only reason the elite schools from the Big 10 and Pac 10 are forced to schedule tough OOC schedules is the simple fact that they don't get enough strength of schedule credit from conference games on a year in and year out basis. They are FORCED to schedule worthy OOC games to be considered for a possible NC game. If they had championship games then they'd automatically get another quality game and wouldn't have to worry as much about that OOC schedule being viewed as weak.
Why should Florida schedule anyone other than a D1aa or weak D1 school to play at the end their SEC season and before the rivalry game with FSU? It's still a $ellout and it would be stupid AND pointless to schedule a tough team. Instead they had a chance to rest starters for two tough games to end the season and get some valuable experience for underclasmen at a late point in the season.
I'll give credit to Michigan and USC for playing ND every year - whether they are down or not. It has developed into a serious OOC rivalry. Not many other teams can say they have that type of game outside their conference except for Clemson/Carolina, Ga Tech/Georgia and FSU/UF but oh wait, those all involve SEC teams so they can't count can they?
And nobody cares about strength of OOC schedule when you win a conference championship in basketball do they? The BCS and the discussions they create are fun - but a joke. Kind of like the discussions about Jesus, catholics and christianity on a football blog!! But it did force me to look up anachronistic - so thanks Irish JT!
HarvinforHeisman07 said:
posted on December 20, 2006 11:05 AM — 72.158.254.34 — link — abuse?
I try not to disrespect. But how can an OSU fan - I am assuming not grad after the GREY incident - talk about arrogance from another university? And believe me as someone who watched Jerome Bettis run all over the Gators in the Sugar Bowl many years ago --- I hate ND!!! Just like all good Americans who hate the Yankees and Cowboys. But that said, this "Theeeee" Ohio State University crap? That just puts you guys up there with the U in my humble opinion. What does that mean anyway? Is it a statement on the lack of other quality insitutions in the state of Ohio or something else? I don't get it.
And face it I don't like Brady Quinn simply because he attends Notre Dame - but I'd love to see him playing for the Dolphins. And if they get a shot at Troy Smith (who seems like a solid human) in the draft I hope they go with a solid lineman instead.
Ash said:
posted on December 20, 2006 12:56 PM — 69.21.116.14 — link — abuse?
Troy Smith
Comp 199 – Att 322 – Yds 2716 - % 67- YPA 8.44 – 30 TD 5 Int – Rat 167.87 - 12-0Brady Quinn
Comp 274 – Att 468 – Yds 3551 - % 63.4- YPA 7.59– 35 TD 5 Int – Rat 151.59 – 10-2I’d say both are dang good Q-B’s and if Troy Smith didn’t have a 12-0 record Brady would have won. We all know that Darren McFadden was great and it was probably a toss up between him and Quinn as to who was #2, McFadden edging him out because he will be back next year.
EER10 said:
posted on December 20, 2006 4:13 PM — 129.71.238.253 — link — abuse?
#419 IrishJT.
You mean like Da..da like Orthodox, Lutheran, Reformed Presbyterian, Anglican, Episcopalian, Methodist ? I think ah..ah..The gradual development of the Catholic's as a distinct denomination was around 1053-4AD... if memory serves me correctly. I think it was Nero that played for Notre Dame actually. Don't forget to look that up so you will understand...smart @$$.
Anytime you would like to play your, I'm so smart games, just bring it.
GO MOUNTAINEERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ash said:
posted on December 20, 2006 7:50 PM — 71.52.20.71 — link — abuse?
HarvinforHeisman07
Florida’s OOC games 12-1:
Southern Miss 6-2 Conf / 8-5 Overall - GMAC
Central Florida 3-5 Conf / 4-8 Overall - Not Bowl Eligible
Western Carolina 0-7 Conf / 2-9 Overall - Not Bowl Eligible
Florida State 3-5 Conf / 6-6 Overall - EmeraldUSC’s OOC games 10-2:
Arkansas 7-1 Conf / 10-3 Overall - Capital One
Nebraska 6-2 Conf / 9-4 Overall - AT&T Cotton
Notre Dame ----- Conf / 10-2 Overall - AlamoMichigan’s OOC games 11-1:
Vanderbilt 1-7 Conf / 4-8 Overall - Not Bowl Eligible
Central Michigan 7-1 Conf /9-4 Overall - Motor City
Notre Dame ----- Conf / 10-2 Overall - Allstate Sugar
Ball State 5-3 Conf / 5-7 Overall - Not Bowl EligibleOhio State’s OOC games 12-0:
Northern Illinois 5-3 Conf / 7-5 Overall - San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia
Texas 6-2 Conf / 9-3 Overall - Alamo
Cincinnati 4-3 Conf / 7-5 Overall - International
Bowling Green 3-5 Conf / 4-8 Overall - Not Bowl EligibleNotre Dame’s OOC games 10-2:
Everyone they played
It’s clear that Notre Dame had the strongest OOC schedule this year, with USC next.
IrishJT said:
posted on December 21, 2006 9:26 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
EER10 & Other Respective Dumb@SSES,
As usual, YOUR MEMORY DOES NOT SERVE YOU CORRECTLY!!Catholicism was the ONLY following of Christianity after 32AD (Christ's death) and became the "official" religion of the Roman Empire (thanks to Paul, a Jew and Roman citizen, and the Roman Emperor Constantine) in 325AD...not 1053AD (stay off of Wikipedia, it makes you look even dumber)...at the Counil of Nicea (maybe you've heard of the Nicene Creed?). Therein lies the birth of the Church of Rome or Catholicism. Now Papal Rome began sometime in the late 1400s, but you were still off by about 500 years. However, since we're on it, the non-catholic denominations arose when Martin Luther, a catholic priest who was also related to Pope Leo X (who began the inquisitions on Luther), was excommunicated from the church in 1520. He then went on to minister to those who "protested" Papal Rome and the Church. They later became known as PROTESTANTS!!! [The only major exception being the Methodists (an offshoot of the Church of England), who split from the Church of Rome because Henry VIII didn't like the catholic faith very much.]
So endeth the lesson. I hate being right this often. Mountaineer fans just make it so easy. Yes, EER10, I would like to play "Smart Games" with you anytime, for lots of money and very often.
Did someone say this was a football blog?? OK. Martin Luther did not go to Notre Dame or play for the Irish. However, Pope Leo X may have been a back-up linebacker. I'll have to check.
AllEers said:
posted on December 21, 2006 10:56 AM — 162.129.27.201 — link — abuse?
IrishJT:
I believe it is spelled "Disciple". I excuse everyone's spelling but yours smarty-pants.
Now that I think about it, Jesus' teachings and the ND football program do have something in common; upon being faced with true competition, your motto is turn the other cheek.
It's a good thing that history didn't play out the way your season did: Trojans 1, "Christians", 0. We'd all have funny mohawk helmets...EERful said:
posted on December 21, 2006 11:40 AM — 70.88.118.14 — link — abuse?
IrishJT,
I finally figured out why you run your mouth so much and why you attempt to bring everyone down and act as if you are superior to the rest of us...
Your penis must be VERY small.
Maybe if you ask Santa real nice, he may put a strap- on in your stocking to help you with your inferiority complex...IrishJT said:
posted on December 21, 2006 12:13 PM — 65.83.54.4 — link — abuse?
EER10,
It's one thing to be wrong. It's another to be so emphatic about it. YOUR MEMORY FAILS YOU AGAIN!!!Catholicism began "officially" in the mid-300s under the Roman Empire, not 700 years later as your memory has 'served' you incorrectly. With the exception of the Church of England (Methodist) courtesy of Henry VIII, all of the Protestant denominations came much later than that as a result of Martin Luther's inquisition/excommunication in the early 1500s. His 'protest' against Papal Rome led to a division in Christianity...maybe you've heard of the "Protestants."
As for Nero, he was the last emperor of Rome...just a few years after Christ died. Notre Dame is in Paris and was built in the 12th Century.n Nero didn't go to Notre Dame...he wasn't old enough.
Being a dumbass doesn't have to be your FULL time job. Try to keep this line clear and let the adults talk.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 21, 2006 2:23 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
T-Mac & GatorHippy:
Oh, you guys are just upset because you haven't been afforded the proper education like IrishJT. I know it's true, because if you had, you would have been Notre Dame fans also. Only the most highly educated people can understand that Notre Dame is God's chosen football team. Why do you think that there are so many problems in the middle east today? I'll tell you. God has been to wrapped up in recruiting for Notre Dame, since Charlie Weis came on board, so give a damn what happens over in that neck of the woods. That's whats really going on. George Bush had a fine plan to rid the world of terrorism until Charlie Weis took that job at Notre Dame. And then, God even turned his back on that plan, in order to help Notre Dame get back to their rightful throne.
Tommie T
gatorstud said:
posted on December 21, 2006 4:03 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
hey tt...#436...that's just funny stuff, and as for irishjt....lighten up...your gettin your panties in a wad again.....
LET US ALL SAY IT TOGETHER AND MAKE IRISHJT FEEL GOOD ABOUT HIMSELF
"IT'S NOT HE SIZE OF YOUR DIPLOMA THAT MATTERS, IT IS HOW U USE IT........"
Eric D said:
posted on December 21, 2006 4:20 PM — 66.41.170.225 — link — abuse?
Listen Tommie T. Shut your notre dame praying ass, touchdown jesus, luck of the irish ass up. Every college has a good education, especially in the big ten, sec, or yes even notre dame. So quit. I recently just scrolled up and noticed an arguement on religion?? HA! nice debate you folks have going on. But lets talk football. Im a michigan fan so ofcourse i want to see a rematch. Florida fans want a chance to see florida play. And ohio state fans haven't said much, because, well, they don't need to. Now weve played OSU many times. Tressel has done a phenominal job the past few years with his team. I don't think i've ever seen an OSU team this good. Now as for mich. or fld? I feel ppl wanted to see florida more because the last michigan game was, fuck a month or so ago, so ppl forgot about it. My opinion is florida is gonna get killed. OSU is the best team and michigan is still number two. Ive never seen a team jump two spots like florida, they didn't even win by that much against alabama or whoever it was. I hope michigan beats usc, and ohio state beats florida, just to prove michigan is still number two and ohio 1. i could deal with that
IrishJT said:
posted on December 21, 2006 5:31 PM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
AllEERs,
That was funny! Kudos.Luke,
You're right. Nineteen wins in the last two seasons, with two BCS Bowl appearances generating over $20 million in just bowl revenue is terrible.If I'd just gone to TCU...!!
Merry Christmas everyone.
JT
Luke said:
posted on December 21, 2006 6:03 PM — 67.35.110.26 — link — abuse?
Eric, thanks for proving to us florida fans what we already concluded a long time ago, Michigan fans are idiots. Tommie T hates ND, maybe if you guys could put away the coloring books at michigan, you could read his posts and understand that, and stop whining about how you are number 2. Look at the facts, Florida is in the national championship, michigan is not. Get used to #3.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 21, 2006 6:13 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
GatorStud:
RE: Post #437:
"IT'S NOT THE SIZE OF YOUR DIPLOMA THAT MATTERS, IT IS HOW U USE IT......."
It appears as if nothing could be more true - as ERIC D (post #438) thinks that I am an Irish fan.
Eric D:
If your new to Michigan football: you'll find out soon enough, January 1st exactly, who and what Tommie Trojan is. He'll be the guy sittin' on top of Traveler V (the White Arabian) runnin' up and down the sidelines all dayum day, as "Conquest" plays over and over and over, while the Trojans pile about nine TD's on the Wolves.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 21, 2006 7:55 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
IrishJT:
I guess then that HE couldn't get leave when you guys came out to the Coliseum? That's too bad. You could have really used HIS help on that day. Of course - prayin' would not have gotten it done on that day. HE would have had to bring about a division of highly skilled Marines to take Memorial Coliseum on that day. That would have been your only chance. Well, maybe HE'LL be on hand at South Bend next year. Let's hope for your sake that HE can somehow attend.
Tommie T
gatorstud said:
posted on December 22, 2006 8:08 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
hey eric d #438.....all this rain in indiana must be from the tears of michigan fans.....you say you have never seen a team jump two spots like florida.....let me ask you this..have you ever seen a no.2 team lose and not drop in the polls....why don't you stand up and bitch about that...you should be more concerned w/ USC and what they are gonna do to your beloved wolverines.....
USC - 38
MICH. - 17
IrishJT said:
posted on December 22, 2006 9:05 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Tommy T,
As a marine, I can tell you that the boys will all be back by September '07 so HE definitely will have Irish Eyes smiling. Although, I have to admit, 2007 ain't gonna be the year of the Irish. I'd take 8 wins and a Gator Bowl bid right now. Tough schedule and lotsa youth!!!TomCat,
Texas is the THIRD winningest program in college football history. Did you know that? Michigan and Notre Dame are 1 and 2...ND only being 2 wins behind the Maize & Blue and Texas light years behind both. Your 9 -win season this year, which could have just as easily been a 7-win season, must really have you down in the dumps. Before last year, Texas had three National Titles. Notre Dame had that before the Great Depression was over. If you think Notre Dame is overrated, I offer the Texas Longhorns as Exhibit A in all things that are overrated.PAGE said:
posted on December 26, 2006 11:51 PM — 70.152.162.223 — link — abuse?
THE SEC IS OVERRATED. LET ONE OF THEM PLAY A REAL NON-CONFERENCE GAME, WHICH THEY HAVE(ARKANSAS) AND GOT STOMPED TWO YEARS STRAIGHT BY USC(70-SOMETHING AND 50-14). FLORIDA HAS NOT PLAYED A TRUE OFFENSE. HELL, THEY STRUGGLED WITH VANDY-MICH STOMPED VANDY. I BET YOU FLORIDA WOULD HAVE LOST MORE THAN ONE GAME IN THE BIG 10. PLAY SOMEBODY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DO. NOT BOISE ST. DEAD COLORADO OR SOME WEAK DIVISION II TEAM. SEC CAN'T PROVE JACK BY PLAYING THE SAME TEAMS EVERY YEAR. THAT'S SAYING IF FLORIDA LOSS TO VANDY ITS ALRIGHT BUT IF OHIO STATE LOSS TO NORTHWESTERN THEIR SORRY. BULL BECAUSE IN MOST OF THE BOWLS IN THE PAST BIG 10 DO STOMP THE SEC. OVERRATED. PLAY SOMEBOBY REAL OF THE MUSCLE.
Tyler said:
posted on December 27, 2006 10:38 PM — 75.2.55.163 — link — abuse?
To all of you Michigan fans out there...how do you KNOW that Michigan is better than Florida? How do you KNOW that Ohio State is as good as everyone says. You don't. Just b/c Michigan came within 3 points of OSU doesn't mean that Florida can't do the same. Not only that, but your logic is based on the assumption that OSU is way, way, way better than every other team in the nation (don't get me wrong--they are damn good). What if they aren't as good as everyone says allowing Michigan (OSU's first and only challenge of the year) to score 39 points on them. Michigan had their chance, now Florida gets theirs.
As for Florida...they had the number 1 hardest schedule in the nation and went 12-1. They played the extra game and won the SEC championship--Michigan isnt even a conference champion. OSU's schedule was a joke compared to Florida's. Texas, even though ranked #2 preseason, turned out to be 19 by the end of the year. Iowa and Penn State didnt even finish ranked. Not only this, but the "bad" SEC teams are clearly better than the "bad" Big 10 teams. South Carolina, vandy, georgia (in an off year) are still good teams and provide a tough challenge each weak). Minnesota, Northwestern, Illinois, etc. would be worked by the SEC teams. How can you say that after the teams that Florida played, they don't deserve a shot at the title?
And how can you really compare two teams--USC is probably better than UCLA, but the Bruins pulled off the upset. Who's to say Florida won't walk all over OSU? With all of this been said, OSU, michigan, and Fl are all good teams--but i think its impossible to compare the two teams--they play different football and different teams. Rather, you should look at the teams performance throughout the year. Michigan played a joke of a scehdule (except for OSU and Notre Dame--ND was clearly overrated this whole year) while FL played the hardest schedule. Florida won the SEC, Michigan was second in the Big 10. FL played an extra conference championship game while Michigan had a bye week.
Right now, we shouldnt be arguing about Michigan deserving to be in instead of FL, but we should arguing for a playoff system. Each week, as we have seen, upsets can and do happen. The only way to test for the true national cahmpion is to have a playoff. You have the best teams in the tournement and let them play for the chance to go to the title game. Who knows?...maybe OSU wouldn't even get passed the first round.Tomcat said:
posted on December 28, 2006 1:38 AM — 69.154.240.142 — link — abuse?
Hey IrishJT by your own admission Texas is the third winningest program of all time.Its kinda funny that you talk about our 9 wim season that coulda been a 7 win?Coulda been a 12 win season.
At least we beat both the North & South Champions
This year.Texas beat OU 28-10.You didnt play any of the same teams we did, and yall are not the member of any conference.Yet your team happens to be the media darlings year after year based upon your OLD history.
Facts What happened the last time Texas played Michigan? Texas won How bout ND? Mich won
What happened last time Texas played USC?
Texas won ND? USC won
What happened the last time Texas vs LSU
Texas won
good luck dude LSU wins Hookem-Horns
Next time learn to think outside the box and realize that ND is always overated, plays the same dumb teams over and over, always gets the media coverage ETc.ect>
These are not opinions just facts
Join a conference and quit bitching your a two loss team in a BSC bowl. Be happy
Geaux Tigers Ou-sux Hookem-HornsDuckman said:
posted on December 28, 2006 3:56 AM — 69.178.39.210 — link — abuse?
IrishJT,
I give you the same prediction as last year! ND is going to get blown out, again! Over ranked and outmatched, because they generate more revenue. Story of ND life.
Well, at least you can say they are better then the Ducks. However, that is not saying much!
P.S.GO DUCKS!!!(2007)
dargafloridafan said:
posted on December 29, 2006 1:42 AM — 24.210.197.18 — link — abuse?
First thing i would love to add is iam a huge florida and michigan fan. both teams do deserve to play for the national title, iam just getting sick of the sec basher's about the big ten and vice versa. if you want to get technical tenn has no running game at all, auburn has no offense just like bama, the only quality team florida played that good offense and defense was lsu which in my mind is the best team in the sec but just had some bad breaks with turnovers. and also florida maybe possibly played in the best conference in the land but that stuff is just hogwash it matters what you do on the field. and for everyone that brings up the ball state game dont forget that stupid ass lloyd car put in the second string in when the game was still in the 3rd quarter, that team scored on our nobody's michigan was up 34-12 when that happend. and even the great buckeyes overlooked the fighting illini and only won by 7 but dont forget about michigan 27 and vandy 7 while florida25-vandy19. people that dont know football need to shut up and just not talk Florida can beat ohio state but florida is going to have to play a flawless game, they make alot of mistakes with penalties they average more than 5 a game which in this case could cost them the game. i hope to god florida wins and i am honored to have michigan play in the rosebowl because they werent even picked to be there. and they will beat usc not killing them but beating them. just watch out for michigan and florida next year they should both be in the top 5 next year. and for everyone saying that michigan is over rated is just wanting to start smack because michigan by far is not over rated and either is osu or UF all three teams are very high quality teams. but anyhow iam hoping both bowl games are good ones. and for everyone saying the games against osu and mich wasnt as close as the score well how dont you know that michigan couldnt have stopped them, they did stop them more than a couple of times when needed the second half michigan's defense only gave up 14 points while osu only had two big play for td's in the 2nd half and they couldnt stop michigan's offense in the 2nd half we forced one of them turnovers by good coverage. the other two was mental mistakes. and if crable wouldnt have hit smith going out of bounds when it was 3 and 15 we would of had the ball back only down by 4 with 6 min left and could have won the game mental mistakes killed both teams.
florida gators fan said:
posted on December 29, 2006 9:26 PM — 24.210.197.18 — link — abuse?
this is to tyler about how week michigan's schedule was this year its funny because the last time i read on schedule strength michigan was 2 or 3 very near slim margin to florida iam a huge florida fan and hope they win but michigan didnt have a cake walk either wisconsin is a good team nd is overrated but osu is an awsome team smith is amazing and nearly impossible to be stopped but can be stopped. and Iowa had alot of injuries this year on offense and defense and so did penn state. the sec is clearly the better conference but the big ten is tough i live in ohio so i watch them all season long just as i watch the sec all season long. so we need to stop comparing the two conferences and try to petition a playoff system because you are right we dont know who is the best team.
MIchigan fans have the right to complain also because it doesnt say you have to win your conference to play in the NC game it just says the two best teams which both teams deserve to."THE" BUCKEYE MARK said:
posted on December 30, 2006 6:38 AM — 70.62.161.114 — link — abuse?
I haven't been on here in a while Holiday season has me working long hours 15 hour days 6 days a week I am delusional and drunk it happens time to comment
my last rant I was drunk can I spell? no
Do I I think Dublin is a nice part of town? yes although I wouldn't live in a city where I had to get a permit to plant a tree or build a playset for my children !!!!
Educated generalization? I quess I need to explain that.
Educated quess and stereotypical generalazation are not the same
My rant was educated and generalized in my mind
I could also see it being a stereotypical quess
notice I realized that enouph not to say anything negative about Brady Quinn nor the Quinn fmily just implying that Notre Dame has a fanbase that he grew accustomed to in Dublin
Is my degree useful? No. Is it from tOSU? no Hocking College and yes from where I came from in life I'm proud.
juxtaposed position in life ? No, I'm not wealthy but I am not poor, I enjoy what I do for a livingSorry done with the rant
When did this become
www.JesuslovesNotredame/IrishCatholicsRule.com ?
I really don't think Jesus cares about college football anyway !
just the athletes coaches and fans
buckeye said:
posted on January 1, 2007 1:18 PM — 139.55.48.223 — link — abuse?
alrite look its OSU VS florida. go to espn.com and go to college football home page. the polls 70% OSU 30% florida. lol even the florida poll was neck and neck with florida predicted to win by just 7% hahahahahHAHAHAHAHAH GOOOOOO BUCKEYES HOORAHHH!!!!!!! GATORS ARE GOIN DOWN EVEN WITH THEIR STEROID ENHANCED GATORADE HAHAHHAHA
Tom Blogical said:
posted on January 1, 2007 8:39 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse?
Queue Michigan fans to start blaming the field conditions and saying the next game would be entirely different in...
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baylorboy said:
posted on January 1, 2007 10:50 PM — 69.154.240.142 — link — abuse?
I belive the florida gators will win because they have a tougher schedule.No offense to the Big Ten because you are a tough conference. But I don't think you can compete with The Vols,The Tide,The Dawgs,The Gamecocks,The Rebs,and both the Tigers in the same league.
kathleen said:
posted on January 2, 2007 10:50 AM — 70.153.223.65 — link — abuse?
yea no offense but if ohio state played tenn,alabama,kentucky,auburn,arkansas,south carolina,one week right after another.
they WOULD NOT i repeat WOULD NOT be undeafeated.
gators won the sec sorry guys but to win the sec you have to be pretty frekaing good.
and yeah we dont win our games as big as osu does but we find a way to win and that might bite osu in the ass later.
PLUS.
you cant BLOWOUT a SMASHMOUTH TEAM.
sorry guys it's going to be a close game.
Josh Votaw said:
posted on January 3, 2007 11:58 AM — 137.14.10.21 — link — abuse?
First Off THE Ohio State Buckeyes started the season off #1. They had the number 1 ranking on there backs the whole time. If that isnt pressure i dont know what is. They went to # 2 texas won big. Hostile enviroment in Iowa, won big. The played # 2 michigan and won. The sec is not the best conference in football. Whos to say the big ten cant play in the sec. Penn state just beat Tennesee, and wisconsin beat arkansas. Ohio State is about to beat florida. So i dont want to hear the sec is better. Theres no way. and this bowl season has just proved that. Im glad michigan got beat by usc. I was sick of hearing about how michigan deserved a rematch. Michigan people are a bunch of winers. They lose four straight bowl games. and 4 straight against The Ohio State Buckeyes. Yet they deserve a rematch. What would happen if they did play Ohio state again. would we keep playing untill they would win. In college football u get one chance to win. As for florida you are no Ohio state. Yah your scedule was tough. But its about to get tougher than ever before. Yah, you have speed. The Ohio State Buckeyes have speed and power. Your defensive backs will not be able to cover Ted Ginn, Anthony Gonzales, Brian Robiskie, , and roy hall. The the tight ends Rory Nicol, jake ballard. Thats 7 recivers not counting antonio pitman, troy smith the heisman trophy winner has to throw too. Then the defence is the best interception defence in the country. The there the running backs pittman and wells. good luck..The list goes on. good luck.Jim tressel before he is done will have created the best football empire ever in college football. Does anyone think Notre Dame will beat lsu tonight. I doubt it. Im sick hearing about notre dame. yah brady quinn is good, but it seems like the press wants to cheer for nottre dame even when they suck. they will get beat tonight. Ohio State will beat florida by a large margin. im guessing 34-10. it wont be any closer than that. ok well im going to go. To be concluded.
GO BUCKS!Josh Votaw said:
posted on January 3, 2007 12:07 PM — 137.14.10.21 — link — abuse?
Kathleen you are crazy. Ohio Stae can and would go undeated against the sec. maybe not every year. But this year for sure. and when and ill say this again and when ohio state crushes florida.your opinion will change. You also said yah we dont win our games as big as osu. u find away to win. Well you are definantly going to have to reach to the back of your pocket against osu. because if not you will be blown out..first off kentucky is terrible.arkansas got beat by wisconsin. penn state beat tennesee, and south carolina is terrible also. so yes ohio state would beat every team in the sec this year. michigan and ohio state would still be the top two teams in the sec as they are in the big ten. And i Repeat they would go undefeated. I Repeat they woud go undefeated. Enough said The Ohio State Unversity is the best period. I say this time and time again. Ohio State wins big.
kathleen said:
posted on January 3, 2007 10:21 PM — 70.153.223.65 — link — abuse?
hahaha josh wow.
keep under estimating florida.
hahahaha. just like how everyone has undersetimated boise state, and wake forest and notre dame.
yea i think osu will win the game but i think it's going to be close and you have never seen florida's defense we are GOOD!. ok im sorry if this makes you mad. keep telling yourself that your'e going to kill florida umm honey it's not going to happen beat florida- YES extremely good chance.
KILL florida- NO not a good chance and all this talk about how florida is going to get killed wow your just motivating our players so much more. it's not even funny.you haven't even given florida a chance
it's played on the field. so we'll really found out. oh and just because tennessee and arkansas lost doesn't automaticly mean you've won the national championship. so yeah keep under estimating us and our defense.
all it comes down to. WE FIND WAYS TO WIN.GET OVER IT.
and yeah im gald michigan lost too and im tired of hearing how osu is going to beat our asses from your fans.
your fans told me that you guys were going to kill us in basketball NOPE!!!! HAHHAHAHAH.SO YEAH WATCH OUT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING DOWN WITHOUT A FIGHT.
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Gary Grove said:
posted on January 4, 2007 2:50 AM — 69.19.14.36 — link — abuse?
Both teams have proven themselves as worthy opponents and both roster are chock-full of blue-chip players. This should be a close and classic game that will not be decided until late in the fourth quarter or in overtime. Both teams have a 50:50 chance of leaving Glendale as victors.
Josh Votaw said:
posted on January 4, 2007 9:29 AM — 137.14.10.21 — link — abuse?
Kathleen, boise state played oklahoma who isnt very good.and they won by one point.wake forest luck came to an end against louisville. notre dame is terrible.shouldnt of even been in a bcs game. so i never underestimated these teams. i plainly knew they just flat out sucked. i am so waiting for tuesday january 9th, because i will post my blog and say i told u so.BLOWOUT. first off florida hasnt even played anyone. well really no offensive power. so u dont know how good there defense is.i mean u lost a game. ohio state lost 9 starters to the defense last year. 6 playing in the NFL. u have not faced an offense like osu. im telling u you will get blown out, because troy smith will tear the defense apart. and your offense wont be able to score. ive gave florida a chance. i watched them all year .your lucky wseason will end monday.but wait u already lost a game.if anything boise state should be in the bcs game.there undeafeated florida isnt.floridas defense will give up 34 points. ohio state will give up ten points. just wait till tuesday when ill say i told u so..GO BUCKS! FLORIDA SUCKS!
kathleen said:
posted on January 4, 2007 11:29 AM — 70.153.223.65 — link — abuse?
hahaha.
ok sure whatever but lets see wow.
yes notre dame got killed by lsu and i had fun watching it. plus we beat lsu baby.
yeah. oh and boise state was predicted to lose to oklahoma what?like 50 to 0 omg they stayed in the game they fucking time.
and wake forst was predicted to get blown out by louisville omg that didn't happen either.
oh and michigan weren't they supposed to kill USC and then once ohio state killed florida [which noone is giving us a chance] they were gonig to share the national title. omg they got routed by USC. haha wow.
the only games that have gone the media's way were the louisville game and the lsu game[suprise suprise] cause i mean i totally agree wiht you on the notre dame shouldnt be in a bcs game cause yeah i mean you saw that game last night.
O_o
yeah ok but yeah i seriously dont think osu will blow florida out because you've never played against a spread offense and our defense has more speed than you think.
each team has a great chance to win.
so seriously just what till the game.
it's played on the field. you dont get to say osu will blowout florida.just because you think it's going to happen doesn't mean it will.
so just wait.
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Realist said:
posted on January 4, 2007 3:55 PM — 199.67.140.242 — link — abuse?
congratulations Florida, of all the "Losers" you are #1 (OF THAT GROUP)
i mean come on, auburn? hell FSU nearly beat you and THAT my friend is sad in their first losing season in over 30 years. i dont understand how beating a deflated arkansas team get's you the leverage to get into the national championship. what ever happened to something called style points? barely beating 'most' of the teams, sounds pretty average to me
there is no waiting, florida has no chance, and as for tim tebow, well the over under on yards for the game should be 8 and im going with the under
kathleen said:
posted on January 5, 2007 5:28 PM — 70.153.223.65 — link — abuse?
im not scared the buckeyes are going to win hahhaha.
trust me im not.
and im seiously starting to think that you've never watched us play a game.
if you're basketball game was a preview yayayayy i'm going to one happy gator.
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yeah wasn't you're phenom basketball team going to mop the floor with us?!
hahah.
ohio state will probabaly win but let me assure you 34-14 will not be the score.
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Darlene said:
posted on January 5, 2007 6:55 PM — 24.99.11.48 — link — abuse?
I just want to come to this blog after the game is over. I bet it will be just me and all the gator fans here. Ohio fans talk big now just like Mich fans were. Now you can't find a Mich fan anywhere. If you are a real fan you will come here and take the smack talk from the winners of the game which will be Florida.
mav said:
posted on January 6, 2007 11:01 PM — 75.46.8.74 — link — abuse?
480: I think that you are talking big too. It's part of being a fan and it makes college football what it is. I love the build up and the fan trash talk. I can't wait for the game.
There really won't be any reason to come to this site after the game. I doubt you will be back either if Florida loses.
Go Bucks!! OSU 24 Fla 21
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 7, 2007 1:36 AM — 74.242.87.170 — link — abuse?
post 480-483:
i hate to get into yalls talk here but if you want the opinion of an unbiased person here it is:
osu is a great team with an amazing QB and the best playmaker we have seen this year, Ted Ginn Jr., the D is ok, nto as good as last year but ok, do i think it can be effective in the game, no.
uf is a great team as well granted i stand by ssaying BSU vs. OSU both not having a loss this year but still thats not the case. i lived in charlotte for a while and i remember chris leak at independece high a rival of my old high scholl myers park he was crazy good, alone. but between leak and tebow (idk how to spell it) osu will have a very hard time, because of there different styles of offense they both bring to the table now besides those two i cant name another UF player but i know the d is good not good enough to slow down troy smith and his ability.this is not a defensive battle i think 40+ points for both teams, now i said earlier on here UF would win, but OSU is older and more talented, and have a gret coach who wins big games, not knockin urban of course, i take OSU with a last minute drive down field and a TD troy smith to ted ginn for the TD and the WIN. but as for UF if you are a uf fan no need to worry, you are young, tebow is a future heisman winner and 1 good recruting class of defensivly sound players, i think we could talk about florida gators national champs 07-08, and urban will get more NC's then spurrier ever got down there not saying much but hey, good luck to ya both GO BUCKS, GO GATORS!!!
GO TIGERS!!!kathleen said:
posted on January 7, 2007 10:08 AM — 70.153.223.65 — link — abuse?
im not trying to be "trash talking" but seriously our team is alot better then you little buckeyes are giving us credit for. I'm tired of all these stupid osu fans who think they're going to blow us out. I mean shut up already can't I just mention the game without being told how badly my favorite team is going to get beaten?!?!! You guys will be just like the um fans IF osu losses see I said IF happy now? The gators fan are bad yes but see were the underdogs so technically were supposed to roll over and play dead and I'm sorry but I have faith in my FAVORITE team. they wont roll over and play dead they will be there to play and to WIN.
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Alyssa said:
posted on January 7, 2007 6:16 PM — 24.110.85.86 — link — abuse?
You people have gotta be the stupidest people ever! if you think gators are going to be ohio state! come on. OHIO STATE IS #1 the only reason the gators are even getting a chance to play against us, is that we beat michigan
Alyssa said:
posted on January 7, 2007 6:21 PM — 24.110.85.86 — link — abuse?
You people have gotta be the stupidest people ever! if you think gators are going to be ohio state! come on. OHIO STATE IS #1 the only reason the gators are even getting a chance to play against us, is that we beat michigan.
kathleen you better check who the fuck is #1 thats rite bitch OHIO STATE is!kathleen said:
posted on January 7, 2007 10:01 PM — 70.153.223.65 — link — abuse?
hey alyssa i dont care if you're number one stop underestimating us with all this "omg if you think florida can win" duh i think they can win im a FAN of florida i should think they win are you stupid?!?! why would i even pull for osu you dumb bitch.
i like florida and they have a chance ok get over it. our team is so much better than youy give us credit for. and im not saying osu sucks!!! if they are 12-0 they dont suck im not stupid. obviously if you can go 12-0 in ANY conference you're an AWESOME team. ok damn what i am saying is I think they have a CHANCE to win i'm not giving florida the title geez.
thank god this is played on the field.
like i said im over all this buckeye trash talk i don't care what the score is all i HOPE is that florida is ahead i'll take one point.
oh and alyssa one more thing. i know who the fuck #1 is bitch. so back the fuck off im not a fucking idiot. but im sorry i have faith in my team holy shit what the fuck is your problem like i said i cant fucking mention the game without you little whinny ass bitches getting on my ass.
"osu is number one" or "florida doesnt have a chance" or "you dont have any speed compared to ted ginn jr" or "were going to blow you out" SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP.
WAIT FOR THE GAME.
and yes i know who number one is i dont see any buckeye fans thinking florida's going to win you dumb bitch IM A GATOR FAN WHY THE HELL WOULD I WANT OSU TO WIN?!?! FUCKING THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE SHIT YOU DUMB BITCH.
and when did i ever mention florida being #1 oh that's right i didn't.
thanks
NOTaNOLE said:
posted on January 8, 2007 5:28 AM — 24.170.129.142 — link — abuse?
4:45 am Jan.8th 2007, Just awoke to realize today is the day of UF's National title WIN! What a feeling, you have to experiance the excitement of what this feels like. We are champs in both major sports in the same year, that's fuckin history man! I've been a Gator my whole life and know what it feels like to be riding that win streak with nothing but rings on your mind. And then it starts, two days before gameday, maybe three, sometimes as far out as a week before that fatefull night you start to feel it. It creeps in at the worst possible moment, during the dinner prayer as you bow your head to pray. At home when your youngest child looks at you and says" You promise we'll win Daddy?" Or even worse while at the office when the shithead down the hall calls you out in front of all your fellow workers when he says "Put your money where your mouth is" as you try to decide if you could handle a bet that large. It's that little evil we'll refer to simply as DOUBT!!! You Buckeye's know what I'm talking about don't ya? For some, last week, and others maybe just now, but it's arrived on your door step and it is begining to scare the hell out of you. Welcome to the world of Shit! Starting today you are at the begining of what could last as long as you do. With days full of such horriable things as Ridicule, Laughter, and the occasional " You Fucking SUCK " just hours away. All us Gators see it, something has changed in your eyes in the last month. You are losing that swagger you had 51 days ago. Your starting to listen and think, something not always associated with Buckeye's. It's the DOUBT,IT'S GOT YA!!!Good luck with the kid thing, kids need to be able to feel they can believe there elders to be honest with them. Hope yours are understanding...... Well 15 hours till kick off and nearly another 3 1/2 till we get our trophy. It will be worth the wait just knowing how you Buckeye's are suffering......
gatorstud said:
posted on January 8, 2007 10:11 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
hey alyssa #487.....i remember a couple of years ago....when ohio state met miami in the nc game....wasn't miami supposed to wax the floor w/ ohio state...and what happenend....osu won.....so all you buckeye fans go ahead and run your mouths (even if you talk like a drunke sailor..#487).....thats ok.....tht is why they play the games between the lines....talk means nothin..it is time to play the game.....and as for realist #476....you are not a fan of football, what kind of punk doggs other peoples team and doesn't name his favorite team so others can rag on his....so shut up and go back to playing w/ your rubiks cube.
BSU said:
posted on January 8, 2007 9:32 PM — 67.60.66.138 — link — abuse?
#265??? ... good idea, but Wake Forest-lost, oklahoma-lost, michigan- lost, Ohio-losing... The only way to solve this is playoffs and give Boise State the chance to prove to all the sceptics out there ( and not to mention bring the national title to Boise!! )
harbinger said:
posted on January 9, 2007 12:21 AM — 71.67.97.66 — link — abuse?
Sorry to see such nastiness on this blog.
I am a Buckeye fan. I have two degrees from Ohio State (B.A. & M.A.), they have served me well, and I am proud of OSU, win or lose.
That being said, it's time for ALL Buckeyes to show some class and congratulate the Florida Gators for defeating the Bucks fair and square. The Buckeyes just didn't show up to play tonight, and they paid for it. Tonight, the Gators were a better team. No doubt about it.
Congratulations to UF, Urban Meier, and all the Gator fans. Enjoy the feeling, and the bragging rights for the year.
As for Buckeye fans, get over it. It's just a game. Be proud of your school and the class that this team and coach have represented.
DannyWuerfellfan said:
posted on January 9, 2007 3:27 AM — 65.93.88.92 — link — abuse?
Hi, I was going to bring up that Ohio State fans prediction of 50-3 for OSU but I won't. I probably didn't get his prediction right anyway. Well I guess this proves Florida has the tougher schedule, and all these posts prove how little respect human beings have for each other. It was a game you guys. Troy Smith said it best after the game, " if this is the worst thing that happens to us in life, I think we will be fine" . I think some of the posters should take his point and stamp it on their forehead.
TigerMan said:
posted on January 9, 2007 7:37 AM — 68.11.251.67 — link — abuse?
Post season play says it all. Ohio State LOST! Michigan LOST! Ohio State 0-8 vs SEC in bowl games. SEC 6-3 just this year in bowl games. I think that everyone will now realize just how tough the SEC truly is.
(LSU would have beaten Ohio Stae just as badly!)Twisted242 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 11:59 AM — 192.70.218.25 — link — abuse?
It appears the jubilation that the Ohio State fans were feeling when the BCS bowl pairings were announced, pitting Ohio State against Florida as opposed to Michigan, has turned into utter despair.
After seeing the results of the top two Big Ten teams in the bowls, and the fact that the games weren't even close, I begin to wonder when the pollsters' and press are going to realize that the Big Ten is not what they make them out to be.
I'm sure that Ohio State fans are now wishing they would have played against Michigan, even though it probably would have been another close game, and their chances of loses were existent there as well.
Congratulations Florida on a MONSTROUS win!!! It's pretty clear who the #1 team is now! And the undefeated season that Ohio State boasts, is simply water under the bridge. Although I originally felt Ohio State should have played Michigan, the results have proven that the BCS poll was extremely off from the reality of which teams are truly the best in the Nation.
Jeremy said:
posted on January 9, 2007 12:43 PM — 72.230.80.91 — link — abuse?
This is hilarious. I was hassled quite a bit by the Ohio State fans all the way up until today. Everyday I told them you guys are going into this was overconfident and you are underestimating my Gators. They have a top rated def and a top rated off. Based on numbers and who we have played you should be a little more worried about the bowl game. Now that the game has been won, they have avoided me at all costs and I see this little blog....Where are all the Ohio State fans talking all that crap now? Makes me chuckle.
Twisted242 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 4:03 PM — 65.219.124.65 — link — abuse?
Marko:
It's funny looking back at your comments now that the Championship game has been played. In one of your blogs (#95), you suggested that Chris Leak would be the weak link for the Gators. Hmmmmmm.... Let's see how his stats compare to the so called Heisman Trophy winning Troy Smith.
Chris Leak:
25/36 completions/attempts (69%)
213 passing yards
1 touchdownTroy Smith
4/14 completion/attempts (28%)
35 passing yards
0 (that's ZERO) touchdownsNeed I say more about the quarterback report????
You also commented (#197) that the persistent Gator fans "better" be back after Ohio State blows them out on National TV. I honestly don't think you'll have the guts to visit this site after the complete and conclusive ass pounding Ohio State took at the hands of the Gators. And if so, I don't expect to hear any comments. So you can just read and eat your words.
Bucky in Michigan:
You also spoke boldly of how your precious team prevailed in match up's against the #2 ranked teams twice, and that Florida would be the third, that second place is where Florida would stay. Well now, it doesn't appear that your once #1 Buckeye's faced a real opponent until they played out of their conference. The game stats paint a different picture than that flowery image you took to bed every night as you dreamt of your buckeyes winning a National Title this year.
Total Yards: Florida (370) / Ohio State (82)
Touchdowns: Florida (5) / Ohio State (2)
Field Goals: Florida (2) / Ohio State (0)
Times QB Sacked: Florida (1) / Ohio State (5)
3rd Down Efficiency: Florida (53%) / Ohio State
11%)
4th Down Efficiency: Florida (67%) / Ohio State (0%)
Time of Possession: Florida (40:48) / Ohio State (19:12)
Plus the fact that the score was 41 to 14, and Florida was on the 5 yard line on the verge of scoring again, but chose to show mercy at the end of the game.This has got to be nothing more than embarrassing for the Buckeyes.
You should feel fortunate that the Big 10 was weak enough of a conference that Ohio State was able to give a perception of greatness, and that because of that fact, they were given a #1 ranking through the season. However, it is quite evident who the #1 team is for the 2006-2007 season, The Florida Gators.
One other note. A number of buckeye fans felt the National Championship game was settled on the field in Columbus when Ohio State beat Michigan. I fail to see how this can be justified when neither team won their bowl games. In fact, both teams got spanked severely in bowl play. Let this be a lesson in humility!
C-DOGG said:
posted on January 10, 2007 11:44 PM — 76.188.148.131 — link — abuse?
Clemson1981,
Re:post#510,You must obvioulsy be one of the Ha-Ha immature people on here. I thought that we got rid of you kids with the Louisville cheerleader post. If not, would you agree that a bunch of ha-ha-ha is a little childish?
gatorkt said:
posted on January 11, 2007 2:58 PM — 131.24.119.11 — link — abuse?
I really wish realist would post. It is so funny reading the posts now. The Big 10 has been over rated since the other conferences added teams and a championship game. Add teams. Get another game. One rival doesn't do it OSU. Florida plays rivals nearly every weekend. I love the post in another Blog where an OSU fans says we don't know what it is like to have 400K people tailgating before a game like Michigan/Ohio State. 400K????? That is a low count on any given day when Florida plays Tennessee, LSU, Florida State, Georgia, Auburn, Alabama, or even their two walk-over games. OSU and the Big-10 just don't know football these days. Well, OSU does, now. By and large the OSU fans are some of the worst people I have ever talked to. Stay in your one dimentional state with one team and leave football to the South. Idiots.
Joe said:
posted on January 11, 2007 3:56 PM — 71.99.80.86 — link — abuse?
Alyssa says:
posted on January 7, 2007 06 "You people have gotta be the stupidest people ever! if you think gators are going to be ohio state! come on. OHIO STATE IS #1 the only reason the gators are even getting a chance to play against us, is that we beat michigan."Alyssa hasn't returned...and, given the outcome that's quite understandable.
gatorstud said:
posted on January 12, 2007 11:30 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
yeah alyssa...where u at now...running your mouth on this post and now you have disappeared....hats off to all the ohio state fans that came on here and said their congrats to florida for winning....your not just osu fans, but also football fans...its tough to do, but it shows class...but, for those who decided to post and mouth off about how osu was going to kick the crap aout of florida....and the not come back on and let us gators get our fill.....that is just bad sportsmanship.....and you have shown your true colors......i love my colors....they are BLUE AND ORANGE....GAINSEVILLE IS NOW TITLETOWN, USA....
Josh Votaw said:
posted on January 17, 2007 8:21 AM — 137.14.10.21 — link — abuse?
First off Kathleen. i was wrong you were right. i was an idiot and you were smart.i had fun chatting with you.i wish i could of said haha i was right.but i was wrong. for all you sec fans it still doesnt prove you are better. the big ten was 2-1 against the sec in bowl games. penn state beat tennesee and wisconsin beat arkansas. theres no way you can say the sec is better. now to the osu florida game. i seriously believe that there is more to this game then we think.there is no way florida was better faster or tougher. ohio state came out like they were bought off. they came out unprepared and had no motivation. i dont know why. it was the national championship game. something went down that we dont know about. and i am imbarresed and disapointed. because there was no coaching what so ever. does not prove the sec is better. i already stated why.eather ohio state and michigan were unprepared .or when they play each other they leave it all on the field. they have no more gas left.they have no more left in them to play..sounds dumb but could be true. but there is no reason florida should of won that big. but it doesnt matter because ohio state will be there time and time again. Ilove ohio state. theres nothing like it. hats off to florida though. i am still disapointed. but our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising every time we fall. ohio state will be there again. time and time again.
UF Fan said:
posted on January 20, 2007 10:56 AM — 74.237.238.37 — link — abuse?
now to the osu florida game. i seriously believe that there is more to this game then we think.there is no way florida was better faster or tougher. ohio state came out like they were bought off. they came out unprepared and had no motivation. i dont know why. it was the national championship game. something went down that we dont know about. and i am imbarresed and disapointed. because there was no coaching what so ever. does not prove the sec is better.
Even when we whip their ASS!!! they are saying we're not better than them and the S.E.C. is not better. HELLO!! McFly!!!! Who one the National Championship?? The FLORIDA GATORS BABY!!!
What conference one the National Championship? S.E.C. BABY!!!!!Wake Up To REALITY O.S.PEWWWW You suck. You came on here and bragged about how the Gators could'nt hang with the almighty buckeyes. Where you at now???!???! Next time maybe you'll keep your BIG MOUTH SHUT!!!
GO GATORS AND THE GATOR NATION!!!!!!!!!1Josh Votaw said:
posted on January 21, 2007 10:21 AM — 137.14.10.21 — link — abuse?
whoopididoo.florida is still not better. the sec is not better..dude, you were 2-1 against the sec.it doesnt matter ohio state will be there time and time again.this is just your second national title. ohio state has way more heisman trophy winners. ohio state is it folks. yah no one can when every game. im not saying florida didnt deserve it. they cam out and played better thats all. dont start saying florida nation is better. nothing compares to osu fans, alumni or anything. but gator nation can be happy untill next season. cuz u guys wont win the sec. im telling urban meyer and jim tressel had a deal. urban said let me when it this year and the next time we play , we can play for real. cuz urban meyer and the gators had it handed to them. The OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY will always be the top dawg in college football. More pros in the NFL. more hesimans. more national titles. more fans. OHIO state is better.just florida payed off jim tressel.i mean he didnt change anything. SEC blows. So what if florida one. i mean texas one last year .u going to say that the sec is better.no. Wisconsin beat arkansas, and penn state beat tennesee. so all you crazy florida fans this is your dream season. GO BUCKS.
UF Fan said:
posted on January 25, 2007 3:04 PM — 74.237.238.37 — link — abuse?
All I gotta say is WHO IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION? O.S.PEWWW got their ass kicked and you say we paid off your coach? HAHAHAHAHA that's laughable. Just learn to keep your big mouth shut and you won't have to eat crow.
BTW..., The way you spell I can tell you're either went to O.S.PEWW or you're in the third grade.kathleen said:
posted on January 25, 2007 7:49 PM — 70.153.223.65 — link — abuse?
josh your dumb hahaha we beat arkansas and tennessee and they both should of won. they were close games. wisconsin could not stop the run and if tennessee hadnt of fumbled they would of won. and everyone knows it's true they didnt play good. but i don't see how you can mention that. oh and saying that florida payed off osu?!?! dude hahhaha southern miss gave a better fight than osu. they SUCKED. they couldnt handle us and you can whine and deny it. and im not saying the SEC is better. what im saying is this. we played teams in the SEC wayyy harder than OSU. like its not even funny. they weren't good comapred to what we played ALL year.
END OF STORY.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 25, 2007 8:13 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Josh:
You're a moron! All those claims that you make belong to Southern Cal - except for National Titles. And, that doesn't belong to OSU either. More Pro players have come from USC than any other school: now, back recently, and for eternity. More Heisman's have been won by So Cal - even if they strip Bush's. USC has also won more National Championships than OSU has - although I believe that Notre Dame and Alabama have more. Ohio State is a very fine football school - but they do not lead in any of those catagories that you think that they do. Do your homework before you start spewing forth garbage.
Tommie T
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 25, 2007 8:39 PM — 74.226.197.176 — link — abuse?
Tommie T proves once again why he is the king of this roost, right on man, right once again!!
and C_DOGG:
once again im not goin anywhere, it dont say on here you have to be a certain age, so you might as well get over it.Josh Votaw said:
posted on January 26, 2007 6:58 AM — 137.14.10.21 — link — abuse?
Your Guys are all stupid. I ment Ohios State has way more National championships than florida. And tommie just proves how stupid he is. Ohio State and usc are tied with heismans.stupid ass. and im not even talking about usc. must of hit a soft spot. IM TALKING ABOUT FLORIDA U IDIOTS. and uf fan i dont do spell check .i just type. i know how to spell.i just dont go back and check it. and this is typing not writing. And ohio state did get payed off because florida was not that good. Auborn was better than you. You cant even go undeafeated in your conference. sec 2-1 against the big ten in bowl games. ohio state played there worst game ever and florida played there best. Ohio state has never played this bad in the history of the school. o and miami in 02 was way better than your 06 team and ohio state wasnt very good then. it was just floridas night. cause they got bought off. I come to florida and vacation because i like to laugh at all you morons. O_H_I_O
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 26, 2007 9:21 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Josh Votaw:
"nothing compares to osu fans, alumni or anything". "The OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY will always be the top dawg in college football. More pros in the NFL. more hesimans. more national titles. more fans. OHIO state is better". Are these not your quotes? What did I miss? I'm stupid? I can read just fine. I think the part about Ohio State is the TOP DAWG in college football pretty much sizes up your blog. It's fine if you want to believe that - because as a loyal fan you have that right and I respect that. Just don't try and back it up with what you proclaim to be facts - that just are not true. Granted, Ohio State ranks right near the top in all catagories and is certainly a premier school, worthy of a proclamation of possibly "The Best".
Tommie T
DomiGator said:
posted on January 30, 2007 12:16 AM — 70.171.59.175 — link — abuse?
How hilarious this goof Josh is. Yeah, Tressel took a payoff...you frigging goon. Do you represent those that attend OSU? The Buckeyes were DESTROYED by Florida. The HEISMAN TROPHY winner was DOMINATED by the Florida defense. If Florida isn't a better team than OSU, then just how do you propose to determine which team is better? 41-14 Josh, as if you don't dream about it every night. The Buckeyes got SMOKED. They were outplayed and outcoached. HOW 'BOUT THEM NATIONAL CHAMPION GATORS!!!!! 41-14 WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Joe said:
posted on January 30, 2007 9:34 AM — 71.99.80.86 — link — abuse?
It looks to me, having read all of Josh's rantings, that what we have here is very simple. His team got handed their heads and, unhappy himself, he simply wants to take away as much joy from those who won as he can by making silly and, obviously, ridiculous statements.
gatorstud said:
posted on January 30, 2007 12:35 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
hey josh...your real name isn't moose mcaully is it.....cause you type like him.....florida fans get to rant all they want.....nat. champs in football and basketball at the same time...never heard of before.....our football team may have not been the best team all year.....but they were the best at the right time.....and that is what counts...GATOR NATION......get used to it josh.....you can use your sweater vest to wipe up your tears.....
UF Fan said:
posted on February 10, 2007 3:38 AM — 74.237.238.37 — link — abuse?
Josh, Josh, Josh, Thanks for showing us what an idiot you are. I live in Florida, Most of the people that live here are from up north somewhere and thousands are from O_H_I_O So you we're probablu laughing at your own stupid uncle dads and grandma moms. Now shut up before more moron juice dribbles out of your mouth.
GO GATOR NATION!!!
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The Chief said:
posted on December 3, 2006 2:45 PM — 207.172.105.82 — link — abuse?Michigan already had their chance to beat Ohio State and could not get it done. A rematch would put Ohio State in a double jeopardy situation. A rematch would also allow a team (Michigan) to play for the title even though it couldn't even win it's own conference. Michigan is good but they are the 2nd best in their own conference.
Instead of the Big 10 keeping everything in-house, a Florida - Ohio State match would let everyone see the strength (or weakness) of the Big 10 as compared to the SEC.