December 3, 2006
2006 BCS Bowl Games
Here's the slate of the 2006 BCS Bowl games and National Championship Game.
Rose: USC vs. Michigan
Sugar: Notre Dame vs. LSU
Orange: Louisville vs. Wake Forest
Fiesta: Oklahoma vs. Boise State
National Championship: Florida vs Ohio State
Complete 2006-2007 College Football Bowl Schedule & TV Listings
Comments:
posted on December 3, 2006 7:52 PM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue said:
Well, if nothing else, traditionalists will enjoy the Pac10-Big10 flavor of the Rose.
C-DOGG said:
posted on December 3, 2006 8:21 PM — 76.188.148.131 — link — abuse?
Jim Tressel with 50+ days to prepare for the Gators? As a Canes fan, I've seen this before. It's going to be a long night for the Gators. However, congrats Florida for at least making the game. The pollsters will regret this decision once Ohio State wins by 13 pts.
Mayor said:
posted on December 3, 2006 8:22 PM — 67.167.177.233 — link — abuse?
"How in the hell did ND get in the Sugar Bowl? That is the biggest scandal of the year."
Umm...that's not a scandal. They're #9 in the polls. Who would you propose go in above them? Wisconsin can't, due to the fact that three teams from one conference can't go to BCS games. So same goes for Arkansas.
proplayoff said:
posted on December 3, 2006 8:25 PM — 70.233.2.112 — link — abuse?
Looks like the all the PR paid off for Florida. Tressell abstains which shows class. Carr refuses to lobby. Florida runs down a Michigan team that had a great season with a single close loss to number 1 to get the ticket. Florida coach classless clown. Hope Buckeyes shut his big mouth. Final number 1 Ohio, 2 and 3 (UM or USC). Florida humiliated and....at last....quiet.
Auburn2004 said:
posted on December 3, 2006 8:32 PM — 71.233.38.236 — link — abuse?
Auburn and Wisconsin get left out for being in decent conferences, and NotreDame who hasn't beat a ranked opponent for 2 years gets a BCS game...WTF. AU and UW get penalized for their conferences and ND gets rewarded for not being in a conference...WTF.
Man the BCS is messed up.
posted on December 3, 2006 8:54 PM — 69.73.43.95 — link — abuse?
Florida over OSU, By fate not skill.
(I was calling for Florida to be national champions this year two years ago.)
Michigan over USC, they have an ax to grind.
Louisville over Wake Forest.
Boise over Oklahoma, BIG
LSU over Notre Dame? How did ND get in? Guess its good to be the king.Tipp said:
posted on December 3, 2006 9:02 PM — 68.114.23.128 — link — abuse?
Michigan loses to USC
Cardinals over Wake BIG!!
LSU stomps Notre Dame
Florida wins by 9Biggest question of the year is " How the hell did Notre Dame get in the BCS? Answer: Because they do not play anyone..the teams they did play that were ranked killed them.
SEC goes 7 of nine in bowl games this year.
bayoubengals27 said:
posted on December 3, 2006 9:03 PM — 24.158.214.117 — link — abuse?
I see a couple of you guys calling a ND upset over LSU? Ya'll smoking crack? First of all it's virtually another home game for the Tigers with New Orleans just 1 Hr away. Secondly ND's strength of schedule doesn't even come close to LSU's. Also the tigers played all their ranked opp. on the road. (All in the top ten by the way). Blow out, LSU!
Kyle Beery said:
posted on December 3, 2006 9:08 PM — 24.170.131.182 — link — abuse?
Funny that a lot of you say that UF is going to lose. We have the toughest schedule in the nation, hands down, no doubt. We play 27 freshman, almost all who break records. They say Percy Harvin will be in heisman contention next year, he'll be a sophomore. Tebow mows over anyone...Leak is accurate as can be. Our defense cant be touched, Nelson, Siler, Everett, Joiner etc... Our special teams? Brandon James is awesome, not to mention our punt blocks...4 this year? Offense? We have Wynn, Baker, Ingram, Harvin, Latsko, Leak, Tebow, Casey, Fason. We have so much talent its not even funny...In the end, great game, but if we play like we did against Arkansas, well smoke OSU.
HokieDC said:
posted on December 3, 2006 9:23 PM — 68.107.154.167 — link — abuse?
Tressel abstained from voting not out of class as suggested. That's a nice benefit but I believe the truth is that he would rather play UF than have to deal w/ Michigan again. He didn't want to make this public and let the rest of the coaches do it for him. He knew UF was gonna get the go ahead and everyone would be talking about it on every sports radio/tv show. It would be made public he voted for UF and that would be a huge focus for the next month. It was a good coaching decision.
Melan said:
posted on December 3, 2006 9:28 PM — 68.21.43.240 — link — abuse?
Kyle Beery e have the toughest schedule in the nation, hands down, no doubt
U may have beaten good teams but you barely beat them.. arkansas and LSU games turned on muffed punts not Florida being good. And your defense(especially secondary) is overrated. Especially after yesterday when you let Casey Dick throw on you guys. That guy is the worst excuse for a quaterback and u still let him throw a touchdown. OSU BIGC-DOGG said:
posted on December 3, 2006 9:42 PM — 76.188.148.131 — link — abuse?
I know its early...but here we go.
LSU 37- Notre Dame 20 (make that 9 bowl losses in a row for a team that is not even better than Wisconsin or Auburn...but they travel well!)
USC 31- Michigan 17 (Michigan's heart will not be in it, the score will reflect that.)
louisville 40 -Wake Forest 17 (all those 5th year seniors @ Wake can atleast tell their kids that they finally made it to the big time....and never again.)
Oklahoma 30- Boise State 27 (score could be worst if AD comes back from injury)
Ohio State 33- Florida 20 (Jim Tressel is like Michael Jordan in these games, he refuses to loose)
DCHokie said:
posted on December 3, 2006 10:01 PM — 68.107.154.167 — link — abuse?
CDogg,
"Jim Tressel is like Michael Jordan in these games, he refuses to loose"....hopefully he won't have to rely on a ghost pass interfence call again to steal a NTL championship game...
LSU (41) ND (25) = carbon copy of ND's game against USC. ND only gets 25 with bs points at the end of the game.
Mich (35) USC (10) = Their heart will definitely be in it. They are going to be angry and trying to make a point just like Auburn when it beat ACC champion VT in the Sugar Bowl after an undefeated season. Michigan's defense controls USC all game.
Louisville (14) WF (6) = No shoot out here at all (also no WF scoring). WF's defense is to good to allow Louisville to run up the score.
Oklahoma (?) Boise State (?) = no clue haven't seen enough of either team so I won't open my mouth
Ohio State (33) UF (20) = C Dogg got this one right. Even though Tressel still stole his last championship...and I hate the Hurricanes!
SoonerTaft said:
posted on December 3, 2006 10:23 PM — 68.97.9.76 — link — abuse?
To Ben Prather:
Boise over OU? You have got to kidding me man. If OU had the Oregon W (which was deserved), we would have made the National Championship mix and made it even more messy.
We are going to send those guys back to potatoe land crying.
And to Kyle Beery,
Get over the whole tough SEC schedule thing, SEC is way overrated.
BIG 12 is coming back, get ready. BIG Ten is prob the best conference right now.C-DOGG said:
posted on December 3, 2006 10:28 PM — 76.188.148.131 — link — abuse?
DCHokie,
Re:post#29,Yes I know that Tressel stole Miami's title (I am a Hurricane fan). But I'm over it. And yes I know why you respectfully hate Miami. Congrats on a good year V.Tech. Hopefully, the Miami vs. V.Tech rivalry will continue to be close every year.
Tipp said:
posted on December 3, 2006 10:38 PM — 68.114.23.128 — link — abuse?
Kyle: I hope you are right about the score...my prediction would be closer to giving me a heart attack. I like most the people on here not giving us a shot at winning. That means we have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I just cant wait to see what everyone has to say when Florida wins. GO GATORS!!
Kyle Beery said:
posted on December 3, 2006 10:52 PM — 24.170.131.182 — link — abuse?
How can you get over the schedule? It is statistically proven that UF has the hardest schedule in the nation, cant argue statistics man... Their opponents winning percentage is the highest in the nation. SEC is still the hardest conference. Sure Big 10 is up there, but the SEC is racked with powerhouses. Going 12-1 with that is not luck. Thats why they are in the BCS game, the talent is there, and they are going to play OSU for all theyve got. I give em the win, I hope they do, but tis going to be an awesome game.
melan said:
posted on December 3, 2006 11:01 PM — 68.21.43.240 — link — abuse?
Kyle Berry.. Cmon man they went through their schudule with one loss luckily.. LSU should have beaten them adn so should Tennnesee. If you think about LSU is way more talented.. LSU had FIVE turnovers to None by florida in that game and they still only one by a small margin. Also everyone says the SEC is so great but we will have to wait till the bowl games but to me it seems like its a mix of inept offense versus good defense. Think about Arkansas and Tenessee. one cant pass and one cant run.. makes it easy for defenses to look good when youre one dimensional.
T-Mac said:
posted on December 3, 2006 11:19 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
badgerballer, all joking aside bro. You need to control your blood pressure man. I'm a professional athlete and this can be fatal. Without getting too personal tell me a little about your lifestyle, diet, exercise etc. The first thing whenever blood pressure is a problem you need to try and workout a little. It doesn't matter if you are just sitting on the couch and you do some leg-lifts for 2-3 minutes at a time. You have to get started. I'm on a very strict exercise/diet regimen right now. Hit me up if you would like to talk about health and fitness. T-Mac
badgerballer said:
posted on December 3, 2006 11:22 PM — 70.58.168.42 — link — abuse?
Ok, I lied...yes I am.
[rant]
ARRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!
I ask youz guyz, just try and place yourselves in the shoes of a Wisconsin alum and die-hard Badger fan. Can you even imagine how sucky it is being us right now? I know you're all sick of my crying, but this just plain blows!
First, the least talked about, least respected, least pub'd, 1-loss (11-1) team,probably ever. And now, add insult to injury, FOUR teams ranked behind us in the final BCS go. Including stink'n Boise, and (#14!!?) Wake?!
Sorry for continuing to beat the horse, but words can hardly express how frustrating this is. Norte lousy Dame. Most over-rated team in recent history, goes to a BCS bowl. My week is off to a bad start.
[/rant]
badgerballer said:
posted on December 3, 2006 11:27 PM — 70.58.168.42 — link — abuse?
T-Mac, I appreciate the luv, bro...but it was just a figure of speech. I own a fitness coaching company. (www.whollyfit.com) I'm 6'1, 198 lbs, 8% bodyfat, resting heart rate 44. My blood pressure is well within the low-normal range. I was just making a point about how p.o.'d I'm getting.
Much love tho. That's good look'n out on your part.
FLOPPYDRIVER said:
posted on December 3, 2006 11:37 PM — 207.69.138.13 — link — abuse?
I have seen lots of comments saying the Big 10 is the strongest conference. These people need to look at the numbers and put away the pom-poms. Out of conference the SEC was 41-7 for 85%. The Big 10 was 33-11 for 75%. As for who they both playeed out of conference, without 15 wins against the MAC the Big 10 would have to play someone. They did play 8 division II high school teams and lost 25% of those.
The bottom line is that you morons need to look at the schedules and the records before making comments.Tim said:
posted on December 3, 2006 11:46 PM — 207.38.222.11 — link — abuse?
I am a huge Nebraska fan, and because of an ex-girlfriend, hate Michigan. However, given the circumstances, I feel like Michigan got hosed. They deserve to be in that national championship game more than Florida. I do think Michigan - USC is a good game, and a Rose Bowl historic matchup, but let's face it, whoever says they would hate to see the "dreaded re-match"...let's give credit where credit is due. Michigan lost, at Ohio State, by 3...why not put them in a neutral site and see who wins. As far as I'm concerned, it's anybody's game...
Rob said:
posted on December 4, 2006 12:01 AM — 24.162.79.202 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC: Sorry I didn't get back with you on the last post. Yeah, 29 Palms. lol
The Mayor: I appreciate your compliment on serving.
Now...since last week...
How does USC drop only 3 spots down...after losing to two (2) unranked teams? The fact that such a weak conference is allowed to have a contract (with notably the second-highest Bowl game there is) is just ... it's insane.
The point I made in last week's blog was this: The strength of conference part of the BCS is bought...period. When Jeff Sagarin has the PAC-10 ranked #1, and the SEC ranked between 3-5, it's just blantantly obvious he's bought.
Oh, and I didn't mean sportwriters/personalities as in just ESPN, although everyone there agrees that the SEC is the strongest.
And the SEC formally apologized to LSU for the blown calls during the Auburn game. It didn't make the news...LSU should be 11-1.
My point this week is this: LSU's defense should desimate Notre Dame. But, just watch...
the game will turn out to be surprisingly close...
there will be some "questionable" calls...
but Notre Dame has done enough by just making it to a Bowl game. The alumni and the television execs at NBC are happy enough with the numbers that ND has put up with an OK year, even though (again) they only play one good team a year and refuse to join a conference, let alone a REAL conference.
As for the rest of the games:
Florida squeeks out a win against Ohio State.
Wake and Louisville...I don't know. Who cares.
Oklahoma embarrasses Boise State.
Michigan beats USC...and maybe handily.
Arkansas and Wisconsin: Arkansas...by alot. lol
So, there's my 2 cents.HokieDC said:
posted on December 4, 2006 12:57 AM — 68.107.154.167 — link — abuse?
C Dogg you are right. VT fans don't want UM in the pitts. We want the game to mean something. Especially my immediate family (2 VT grads and 2 UM grads and one "other"....UVA). T Mac very nice sarcaism...you should do british comedy.
DCHokie said:
posted on December 4, 2006 1:13 AM — 68.107.154.167 — link — abuse?
Hopefully, OSU will spank UF and Michigan will destroy USC. One more dent in the bs BSC. What does everyone think about the theory that college football is on the take from the NFL? Division 1's only defense to the sytem is history (bs) and students have to study. Despite the fact every other division (with much better academic schools) in football has a tourney and plays through December. Also where did we hear the BCS rankings announced? On an NFL show. Also, college football thursday night ended 2 weeks ago. Guess what started the week after...NFL football on thursday night...how convenient. I'm sure there is more evidence but big business and it's mother capitalism seems to be the only answer. I'm sure I will get called a communist or something as equally ridiculous for my theory but this is the only excuse. I don't blame them if that's the reason (that's a natural product of our economy). If it something else we have a serious problem. Capitalism is the best available solution and we are seeing the negative effects of it (See Enron, lobbyists, etc for further examples).
Commonsense said:
posted on December 4, 2006 1:21 AM — 205.242.79.195 — link — abuse?
I've been read'n all your comments for these past few weeks and it is the same week in and week out. My SOS is better than your SOS... We beat such and such and you didn't... blah,blah,ect all. After these last 3 or 4 weeks it outta be clear that none of that matters. There is only one way to have a true champion and that is on the field. 16 team playoff- 4 weeks (could even have a two week span for the championship game) Plenty of bowls to have this playoff and all the other bowls for rest of D-1 teams. More money for TV and schools.
BuckeyeBob said:
posted on December 4, 2006 1:32 AM — 67.168.12.246 — link — abuse?
I was taking a close look at the BCS, and I found it interesting that the Colley Matrix, one of the computer rankings, has Florida #1 and Ohio State as #2. According to the matrix they don't count games against D-1AA schools in their strength of schedule. Considering that Michigan and Florida are tied in the computer rankings at .940, and there is a .0101 difference between the two in the overall BCS, I wonder if the Colley Matrix had factored in Florida's win over a 2-9 Western Carolina, if that would have made a difference...just another reason for a playoff!
Tressel is the key said:
posted on December 4, 2006 8:06 AM — 69.81.141.153 — link — abuse?
Just a couple of thoughts:
The SEC might be a good conference but with the computers ranking Michigan and Fla in a tie then they each played tough schedules.
And the argument that you have to have won the conference to play in the NC game must have started right after Oklahoma lost their conference in 2004 and then lost the NC game against USC while the winner in the Big 12 got beat by Ohio State at the Fiesta Bowl.
It doesn't matter who Ohio State plays Coach Tressel will have them prepared. There is a reason that he has 4 national titles in Div 1AA and already 1 in Div 1A with the possibility of a second within 6 years of entering the Div 1A coaching ranks.
IrishJT said:
posted on December 4, 2006 9:06 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
SEC fans,
I love that you don't see Big 10 fans whining about Wisconsin (at least, not as often) but the SEC wants every team in their conference to get an at-large bid. Pay attention jackassess...only 2 teams from each conference, by rule, can play in a BCS game. That's why no Wisconsin, that's why no Auburn. There are NO TEAMS IN FRONT OF THE IRISH that were eligible for a BCS game, but were left out due to Notre Dame's extraordinary popularity. Notre Dame may have been the first pick by the Sugar Bowl, but they still deserve to go. They also deserve to be ranked in front of Auburn and Oklahoma.So SEC fans, quit your whining. You got your way with your first team, all whiner coach in Urban Meyer. I would worry a little more about not getting your collective asses kicked in bowl games like you all did last year. In fact, South Carolina might be the only SEC team that wins their bowl game.
Okla St over Bama
Clemson crushes Kentucky
**SoCarolina sneaks past Houston
Nebraska beats Auburn ('cause Aubie can't score)
VaTech crushes Georgia
Penn St beats Tennessee
Wisconsin handles Arkansas
Notre Dame passes all over LSU
Ohio St absolutely crushes FloridaHey, 1-8 isn't too bad! Could have been worse.
Hog Fan From Maryland said:
posted on December 4, 2006 9:19 AM — 207.133.8.146 — link — abuse?
These points are hard to argue.
From an ESPN article...
1. Florida beat nine teams that are projected to play in bowl games. Michigan beat six.
2. Michigan beat five teams that finished the season with losing records. Florida beat two teams with sub-.500 records.
3. Florida's 12 Division I-A opponents had a combined record of 89-57. Michigan's 12 opponents had a combined record of 84-61.
4. Michigan's best win is considered a 27-13 victory over Wisconsin on Sept. 23. The Badgers are 11-1 and have climbed to No. 7 in the AP Top 25 poll, despite having played only one ranked opponent -- the Wolverines -- the entire season.
5. The 12 teams Florida defeated finished the season with 11 combined wins against opponents which were ranked in the AP Top 25 poll at the time the game was played. The opponents Michigan defeated claim just three wins against ranked teams (Notre Dame beat Penn State. Indiana beat Iowa. Vanderbilt beat Georgia. The Nittany Lions, Hawkeyes and Bulldogs, it should be noted, haven't been ranked in seven weeks).
6. The Gators went 3-1 against ranked opponents, beating then-No. 13 Tennessee, No. 9 LSU and No. 8 Arkansas and losing at No. 11 Auburn. The Wolverines went 1-1 against ranked opponents, beating a highly overrated No. 2 Notre Dame team (that lost to Michigan and USC by a combined total of 46 points) and losing at No. 1 Ohio State 42-39 on Nov. 18.
7. The Gators' average margin of victory against Division I-A teams was 13.5 points. They won seven games by 14 points or fewer, six by less than 10. The Wolverines' average margin of victory was 17.3 points. They won six games by 14 points or fewer, two by less than 10.
8. The Gators played Western Carolina, a Division I-AA team, and won by 62 points. The Wolverines played Ball State, which should be a I-AA team, and won by eight.
9. Since the Wolverines last played and lost at Ohio State, the Gators won at Florida State (The Seminoles are 6-6, but rivalry games are tough to win. Just ask USC coach Pete Carroll) and then beat the No. 8 Razorbacks, who defeated then-No. 2 Auburn and No. 13 Tennessee by 17 points each.
10. Michigan didn't win the Big Ten; Florida won the SEC. Winning your conference should be a prerequisite for playing in the national championship.AgGB said:
posted on December 4, 2006 9:34 AM — 66.76.55.152 — link — abuse?
ohio state beats florida in a close game. michigan beats usc all over the rose bowl.
lsu squeeks out a close win against nd.
louisville pounds wake.
ou slaughters boise st.as much as i woulda liked to have seen a rematch between mich and osu, i think fl is the right decision b/c they won their conference. mich has already lost to osu and they didnt win their conference. there is no doubt that the sec schedule of fl's is a tough one and they're the more deserving team. none of the other one lossers have an argument at it...(neither would ou if they'd won the contraversial game in oregon. ou still lost to tu, something that three other teams monaged to avoid.)
GATORGreg said:
posted on December 4, 2006 9:39 AM — 68.214.97.77 — link — abuse?
Here is a rundown of why Michigan doesnt deserve to go to the NC.
1) They already played and LOST to OSU. Sure sure youll sit there and say we only lost by 3 blah blah blah, but you really cant consider that game to be as close as the #'s say. Playing OSU and such a grand scale is also unfair to OSU in the event that Michigan won, you cant justify them being champions as they already lost.
2) The only non-cupcake teams that you play were a shi$y ND team and your lost to OSU. Yes the Gators played a D2 school but that hurt us in the rankings not help us.
3) You didnt even win your conference. No NC contender can not win their conference and consider themselves a National Champion, until there is a playoff system this needs to be a rule implimented and enforced.
Again my main argument is that you already had your shot and blew it. Someone else deserves to go more than you. Until this past weekend I thought it was USC but this past weekend showed how little they wanted it.
Bowl Prediction:
LSU beats ND big showing how bad other teams such as Wisconsin got screwed....LSU 31 ND 13
Louisville beats Wake and proves just how bad the ACC is this year, God that Championship was aweful! Louisville 27 Wake 17
Oklahoma beats Bosie St. once again proving that these cinderella teams dont even deserve to play in a BCS game. OU 42 Boise St. 21
USC beats Michigan because its realy just another home game for USC and for some reason USC never loses back-to-back even though they should many times. USC 28 Michigan 24
Florida beats OSU. Now I know most will consider this a biased opinion and it definately is. I just love coming on here and hearing the Gators suck this and that and Arkansas is going to steam roll them etc. etc. Well keep it up. Come NC time, OSU will not have played in a football game in 53 days. They arent going to be ready and they are going to feel entitled to this game. Florida will surprise them and win. Florida 35 OSU 24
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 4, 2006 10:11 AM — 216.46.213.227 — link — abuse?
Badgerballer,Wisconsin is hurting because you did'nt play OSU,which could have given Wisconsin a Big Ten Championship,but I know how good Wisconsin is!
PLEASE ALL ARKANSAS,FAN'S PLEASE OVERLOOK WISCONSIN, LIKE AUBURN,DID LAST YEAR,WHEN WISCONSIN,HANDED THEM A 24-10 BEATING,I WOULD'NT EXPECT AN EASY WIN OVER WISCONSIN,OR YOU MIGHT FIND YOURSELF IN SHOCK AS THEY RUN OVER THE BIG,FAST,SUPERMANSTRONG DEFENSE,AND MAKE ARKANSAS LOOK REAL STUPID JUST LIKE AUBURN!
SHOW SOME R.E.S.P.E.C.T.!WVUFB97 said:
posted on December 4, 2006 10:13 AM — 70.88.184.113 — link — abuse?
Question! How can an SEC Champion Runnerup get knocked out of the BCS by LSU? To much politics and $$$ involved in this one. Looks like the BCS has decided that the SEC must not be as good as all the SEC lovers want it to be. Arkansas got shafted!
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 4, 2006 10:30 AM — 216.46.213.227 — link — abuse?
Gatorgreg,let me say that some of the Michigan fan's are saying really dumb things,while our coach looked a whole lot less dumb than urban,and his whining,but I am happy to be in the Rosebowl,I mean if your not in the NC where else would you rather play,then for a Rosebowl?
C'MON MICHIGAN FAN'S GET PUMPED FOR THE USC MICHIGAN REMATCH OF THREE YEARS AGO!
WHILE I RESPECT USC AND I BELEIVE THEY DO HAVE A REALLY GOOD TEAM,I KNOW THEY ARE DOUBTING THAT THEY WILL BEAT MICHIGAN THIS TIME!Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 4, 2006 10:41 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
M GO BLUE:
Not gonna do it. Can't figure out how USC opens as a + 2 1/2 favorite either. For that matter - I question several opening lines. How about Florida State favored by +5.5 over UCLA. How are they gonna score? Did Jeff Bowden really take over as OC at USC? I thought he had one more game at FSU?
Nope, after watchin' the playcalling that I just saw, I can't imagine Lane Kiffen figuring out the Michigan defense. I think that USC will probably get pounded on that day. They are just playing too many games over there today.Tommie T
Bayou Boys said:
posted on December 4, 2006 10:51 AM — 72.149.254.106 — link — abuse?
WVUF, the reason why Arkasas is not going to a BCS is b/c it has three losses one of which to LSU. Making LSU ranked #4 in the BCS. Do you not watch football you fool... Come on!!! AR didn't get shafted they just didn't earn it. They should be very pleased with the capitol one against wisconsin.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 4, 2006 11:00 AM — 216.46.213.227 — link — abuse?
Michigan has had to play awesome teams in every bowl game in the last ten years,why don't we ever get to play BOISE! It just seems like we play the team that win's the NC the next year. (Texas,USC)
USC is good.
And this is the same USC team that SCORCHED Arkansas,and Nebraska,and nd!I give USC respect that they have the talent to beat Michigan,and Michigan seems to falter in their bowl games.
Last time Michigan had an opponent they could beat in a bowl game,they were playing the almighty Gators.
YES I SAID THE LAST TIME MICHIGAN WON A BOWL GAME,THEY WERE PLAYING THE GATORS IN TAMPA,FLORIDA,But Tommie,I think USC will do better against Michigan than OSU,so maybe it is just as well.
GATORGreg said:
posted on December 4, 2006 11:16 AM — 68.214.120.140 — link — abuse?
Tommy,
Per our earlier season bet Ill start the ass kissing with you my friend. By the sound of your tone, Staurday wasnt what you had expected. Also M Go Blue, you are prob. the classiest Blue fan I have stumbled across as of yet. You still are going to a great bowl and that will be one helluva game!
Bayou Boys said:
posted on December 4, 2006 11:35 AM — 72.149.254.106 — link — abuse?
M GO BLUE, are you really crying about having to play a tough USC team in a bowl game, instead of playing an easier team like Boise!! Thats the weakest statement i've ever heard. And you guys wanted to play Ohio St again. Please.....
soonergirl said:
posted on December 4, 2006 11:39 AM — 216.229.137.1 — link — abuse?
OU should be in the top 4 mix!!!! The oregon game screwed us like we all said it would early in the season. on the flip side....Im so proud of what we have overcome and give mad respect to our team and coachs for getting us this far....good job guys :) You r number one in my book!!
geauxtigers0107 said:
posted on December 4, 2006 11:52 AM — 68.222.22.190 — link — abuse?
agree with Rob
post 44How does USC only drop 3 spots to #5 after losing to 2 unranked teams? That amazes me. But that just raises the other question...who else are they gonna put that would be attractive match-ups? I do feel sorry for the Badgers. BadgerBaller, my heart goes out to you bro. I think a playoff system is coming but not for another few years. I forget how long is left on the contract the BCS set up with it's current system. Seems like everytime they redo it, it (the system) stays in use for 5 years.? Maybe someone can recall that info for me.
Well here's my totally unofficial predictions:
Fiesta: Oklahoma v. Boise St.
An Ok team with a huge chip on it's shoulder after the Oregon game will come out fired up but I don't think it'll be enough to get past Boise St. They are pissed that they didn't get the respect they felt they deserved.
Boise St - 24
Oklahoma - 20Orange: Louisville v. Wake Forest
pick em
Sugar: LSU v. Notre Dame
The Superdome will be loaded with Tiger fans as this is only an hour from Baton Rouge. Props to Brady Quinn. A very good QB but when he starts getting pressured by an excellent defensive line, look for him to throw a couple of picks. The current line on the game is LSU by 9 but I see it a little more lopsided than that (biased, of course). LSU is of the same caliber as a Michigan team and we all know what they did to the Irish. I believe the Tigers will treat the Irish much like they treated the Hurricanes last year (re. 40-3) only this time, the starting QB will be Jamarcus Russell and he is much improved.
LSU - 48
ND - 17 (late game "who gives a shite" points)Rose: Michigan v. USC
Again, how USC is in this game is beyond me. Two losses to unranked teams and they get a bowl bid.....(shaking my head). USC will pretty much be home for this one but it won't matter. I don't see them even in the same league with a powerful Michigan team. Don't think for a minute that Lloyd Carr didn't notice how UCLA beat USC. And I don't buy the BS about Mich's heart not being in it because they got snubbed out of the NC game. I see it just the opposite. Michigan will freakin kill Tommie's Trojans and Pete Carroll will quit and join a monestary in Utah somewhere.
Michigan - 38
USC - 3
NC Game: Ohio St v. Florida Gators
The Buckeyes have so many weapons to choose from but Florida has an outstanding defense. I think it comes down to how much they use Tim Tebow. He could be the deciding factor. That being said, I just don't see them having enough to stay with Troy Smith and the Bucks. I give the nod to Ohio St in a close one.
Ohio St. - 24
Florida - 21I still would have LOVED to see an LSU / Michigan matchup. Two much closer teams. But hey, whatcha gonna do. Here's hoping all you guys holidays are nice and the Crown Royal even nicer.
Geaux Tigers
The Mayor said:
posted on December 4, 2006 11:55 AM — 67.174.192.148 — link — abuse?
USA Today link to see how the coaches voted:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/graphics/coaches_fb_poll_2006/flash.htm
WVUFB97 said:
posted on December 4, 2006 12:07 PM — 70.88.184.113 — link — abuse?
OOPS! my fault! wow arent the sec lovers a$$holes.. just asking! a$$holes no wonder uf made it to the nc game the cried alot more as normal. guess urban has set the example if u cry the longest and loudest u may soon get what the spoiled rotten sec wants.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 4, 2006 12:28 PM — 216.46.212.229 — link — abuse?
No I am not crying that we have to play a tough USC team,I just have to laugh at how easy Louisville,and LSU are going to have it!
LSU is going to put a choke hold on Notre Dame and slowly squeeze the life out of ND.
And Louisville is going to do the same to Wake.But hey! I am happy were playing USC,in the Rosebowl,because they beat us three years ago in the Rose bowl,and this time we are going to return the favor!
I am not burned that we were jumped a second time,Michigan was ranked #14 to start the season and we met and exceeded expectations! We have had a great season and it's going to have a great ending!
GO BLUE!
CW said:
posted on December 4, 2006 12:28 PM — 207.203.140.254 — link — abuse?
Irish JT,
I think you should listen to the Mayor who suddenly realized the futility of beating the SEC Conference... if not?? here is the comment I sent him."Don't be too depressed! Reality hurts... for so many people that (like your-self) suddenly realize the preposterous hope of rivaling the SEC ... faith becomes tenuous. I know how awful you must feel. Several years ago I thought Green Bay (with Reggie White) would destroy Denver (like they did in regular season the previous year) in the Super Bow... But I was wrong… for “once.” Anyway, you Pac people after this past week (I hope) will avoid any serious rattle of having a conference even close to the caliber of the SEC. Occasionally you handle the Big Ten as long as they are forced to play at the "flower bowl." Maybe in the decades ahead the Pac will have a decent history?? But for now they have none. As a Southerner I admire the Big Ten! They gave us football! It’s just that we made it a science and developed perfection!"
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 4, 2006 12:33 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
I am a moron.
Here is the one that humbles me the most. That Lou Holtz was right and every other "talkin' head" was wrong. I wanted this guy to be put away in an "old folks home". He kept stickin' to his story about Florida - and never wavered. Gotta give him his due. I'm the moron.
Tommie T
Jake Fegan said:
posted on December 4, 2006 1:19 PM — 63.85.198.34 — link — abuse?
Louisville fans: do not under-estimate Wake Forest. While I am rooting for Lousivlle, I am hoping it will be a tough, tight game. Wake Forest is one of the best stories of the year and it is good to see the large group of fifth-year seniors get them to a big bowl.
I have nothing against Oklahoma, but I am rooting for Boise State just so the non-BCS conferences get some credibility.
As a Buckeye fan, I was elated to see USC lose, which I (correctly) equated to a national championship matchup against Florida. I want a title, and I do not care who it comes against, and Florida is no match for Ohio State, while I think Michigan would have likely won a match-up and USC would have been a tougher opponent.
I'm a little scared of Harvin, but other than that, Ohio State should bottle up a below-average Florida offense. Plus, I am sure a capitalizing OSU defense can count on Chris Leak for one dumb turnover.
posted on December 4, 2006 1:25 PM — 150.176.192.1 — link — abuse?
Michigan deserves to go to the title game at least as much as Oklahoma did in 2004.
I am going to retract my ND comments. Upone further review, they are as good as anyone thet is eligible.
As for my Boise prediction, time will tell. I admit I am picking against popular wisdom, that is why I emphasised it.
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 4, 2006 1:35 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
Tommy T,
Don't worry, Lou Holtz being right is no big deal. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile. I think most of the country underestimated how good Florida's defense is. I knew they were exceptional when they held my vols to -11 yards rushing. This UF team reminds me of the 2002 OSU team that won ugly all year and everybody though Miami would kill them in the NC game. I have a feeling the gators will win the National title and it will not be a pretty/game.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on December 4, 2006 1:45 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
Once again the BCS has failed to deliver. Allthough I agree with the NC game matchup of Ohio State vs Florida - One has to question some of the other bowl matchups. Grantid, there are some good teams in the mix, but there are some teams that are just as good, if not better, that are left out of the BCS bowls. Winsconsin is left out because of the "no more than 2 teams from a conference" rule. Note Ame (because there is no "D" in South Bend)is always going to have a free pass through the back door to the BCS. I realize that as fans we have to keep the BCS in proper perspective and not read too much into it, but how much longer will college football have to sacrifice itself on behalf of the BCS. We all know its all about the money. Without question it is the driving force behind the BCS, but when if ever is it going to be about football? It's not like the BCS is a separate entity aside from college football that dictates where the future of college football is heading. The reality is that the BCS was created by the presidents of the Major conferences and Notre Ame to create a broader avenue for making more money for themselves and selling it off as a way to match-up the best teams in the country in elite bowl games. The only problem is that while the money continues to pour in for these conferences via the BCS, the mandatory BCS qualifiers continually boot deserving teams from the ranks of BCS bowl teams. The current format has proven to be a "money maker", yet has failed to deliver year in and year out. It seems as though half of the top teams are left out of the BCS either by default or by skewed rankings that determine the selection process. The Big 10, PAC 10, Big 12, SEC, ACC, and Big East presidents are the ones with there finger on the BCS Button and to change things might affect the amount of money that goes into their respective conference pockets even though every year there are schools within their conferences that suffer from their own system. They have chosen to sacrifice their own teams for the overall "financial" good of the conference. Notre Ame is way ahead of the game by not having a conference to sacrifice them and by getting in as the only independent school recognized by the BCS. They are the only team in the country that is a lock for a BCS game every year as long as they don't screw it up. Everyone else has to fight it out in a conference that will ultimately make or break them in the BCS rankings. Allthough it worked out in Florida's favor this year, Urban Meyer still said the system is flawed and needs go so that the teams can settle NC on the field of play. I look forward to hearing about the non-deserving BCS schools fight for their lives in their BCS bowls and sincerely hope that they all get blown out by 50 points. It's been an exciting and competitive season of college football and now its time to pay the bills with the BCS games.
Scott 51 said:
posted on December 4, 2006 1:46 PM — 216.135.81.2 — link — abuse?
Ya know why ya rarely see Lou Holtz from the waist down on "Gameday Final"?Because the entire nation would have to see his bony, hairy old legs stickin' out from his Notre Dame cheerleading skirt.
Mark my words, ESPN will kiss Lou goodbye before next season. Like the rest of the nation, they've had enough.
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 4, 2006 2:10 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
#1 The BCS could work if it went to a AND 1 format and did away with automatic bids and the 2 team conference restrictions. I am sure we will see some changes after there are so many one sided games this year. I expect the OU/Boise State and LSU/ND games to be 21+ pt blowouts.
#2 Wisconsin got screwed because the big 10 doesn't play a championship game. If they did, they would have had a chance to beat OSU head to head. We have no idea how good Wisconsin is, they lost to the only ranked team they played.
#3 IrishJT,
I am tired of reading your unthoughtful posts. If the SEC goes 1-8 in bowl games this year, I will donate $1000 to a charity of your choice. Do you care to put your money where you mouth is?
FanoftheGame said:
posted on December 4, 2006 2:47 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
M GO BLUE,
Last year Nebraska was anything but an awesome team. They may have matched up well against the Maize and Blue, but the fact is that the Huskers struggled to find themselves most of the year and were at best a good team. Both teams are much improved from last year and Michigan seems to have made the most progress. The Wolverines have had an outstanding season and should relish the chance to prove themselves against another great team. If Michigan shows up to play USC with a chip on their shoulder, I can see the Wolverines winning themselves a Rose Bowl.badgerballer said:
posted on December 4, 2006 4:00 PM — 71.34.138.106 — link — abuse?
Post #85.
As a Big10 fan & alum, I'd really like to see one more team added to the Big10 (11), thus creating two, 6-team divsions, and a conference championship game.
BUT. Your assumption that, if the Big10 had a championship game Wisconsin would've had the chance to play OSU, is not necessarily accurate. It depends upon how/if the conference were divided. If Wisc were in the same division as Michigan, then no, OSU/Wisc would not have met in the championship game.
Interestingly enough, if the above were the chase (two divisions, Michigan & OSU not in the same division), then Michigan would've gotten its rematch in the conf. championship.
Realistically though, it'd probably look like this:
West:
Purdue
Indiana
Iowa
Wisconsin
Minnesota
NORTE DAMEEast:
Michigan State
Michigan
Ohio State
Penn State
Illinois
NorthwesternZac said:
posted on December 4, 2006 4:11 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
Auburn2004-Post 14: I agree with Auburn getting the raw end; not so with WI. I’ll tell ya why in a sec.
Kyle Beery-Post 21/Tipp-Post 30: Correction: FL has a tough schedule; arguably one of the toughest; hardly THE toughest. I mean; come on, folks; at home against S MS, C FL, KY, AL, S Carolina, & W Carolina; at Vandy, and at FL St (emotional, but they’re down this year). The rest are legitimate, solid, top tier teams.
Badgerballer-Posts 40-41: Here’s where I answer Auburn2004’s question. I’ll start with my having a great deal of respect for Barry Alvarez. BUT, ya know why WI got shafted? Everybody has been spouting schedule strength. WI’s schedule is arguably less challenging than WVU’s. That’s what hurt your badgers.
HokieDC/DCHokie (You the same guy?): Wouldn’t you rather your Hokies be playing WVU? What a shame they couldn’t make that happen. I think our collective fans would be spilling out of the stadium.
Commonsense-Post 48: You’re preaching to the choir. Even an 8 game play-off would be better than this.
HogFanFromMD-Post 52 has some good points, but your last one’s a no go. If we ever do have a play-off system, I don’t think bids should automatically go to the conference champion. It should go the highest 25 or 16 or 10 or 8 or 4, however they decided to do it (God willing they ever do) ranked teams after all the regular season & conference games are played.
As for the rest of you guys…it’s been one hell of a season, hasn’t it? Only two teams undefeated; one gets no respect; controversy over which of the few one-loss teams should face the one that gets respect; late season upsets; unbelievable turn-arounds; coaching changes; teams selling tickets to as many as three different bowl games, and finally this blog. Kevin, thanks for putting it together. We may have hardly agreed, but I wish I could have a week long bowl fest at my place and invite you all over. You’d be more than welcome!!! I can just imagine how many kegs and chips we’d go through. And, here’s the best part; it’s not over yet. Which ever your team is, they are where they are, and that’s where they’re going to play; it’s time to prepare.
And now for the moment we’ve all been waiting for: My picks… God, you can hear a pin drop. I wouldn’t have thought my picks were worth the attention. Wait a minute. Where’d everybody go? Oh, I get now. Ya bastages. Well, here goes anyway.
OSU over FL – Some of you are calling this by big margins. I think it’s going to be tough early on and relatively low scoring. Try 27-21.
MI over USC – Yeah, MGOBLUE, I’m with you, but it’ll be because the MI’s “D” has come back from the dead of the OSU game. This’ll be tighter. 24-22.
LSU over ND-Sorry, IrishJT, LSU is too strong. I would have preferred to see them play MI, and we all know what the Wolverines did to the Irish. It’ll be a clinic in fundamentals, but I think Quinn will still pass for a bunch. 31-19.
Louisville over WF-Sadly, this may be one of the least watched of the bowl games, and it could be entertaining…NOT! Louisville/ND would have been entertaining. Between Brohm & Quinn, we might have seen 1000 yards passing and over a hundred points scored. This one, 44-16.
Steady yawl; I’m going out on a limb over this next one. I like Boise over OK. 31-28.
As for the rest, I like WV over GA Tech, AK over WI, Auburn over NE, TN over Joe Pa (hated doing that one), VA Tech over GA, TX over IA, Navy over BC, MD over Purdue, TX Tech over MN, SC over Houston, OR St over MO, Clemson over KY, CA over TX A&M, Rutgers (What a shame to come so close; didn’t they have a great season?) over KS St, OK St over AL, UCLA over Bobby Bowden et. al. (hated doing that one too), Hawai’i over AR St, S FL over E Carolina, RICE…wait a minute; wait a minute; RICE got into a bowl game?!? AAAAAHHHHH!!!!! AAAAAHHHHH!!!!! Rice over Troy, BYU over OR, and C-DOGG…can the Canes beat Nevada? I think so. There it is for those of you who stuck around. If you ever find yourselves in Auburn, NE, let me know. The Sam Adams is on me.
jbrocato said:
posted on December 4, 2006 4:17 PM — 68.79.6.221 — link — abuse?
Notre Dame doesn't even belong in the BCS this whole BCS is BS. If we are going to use the BCS then the traditional "Bowl" games should not go to the conference champions instead the best teams. Also since this is all about money shouldn't there be some consideration about teams playing on a neutral turf? Since we are hypthetically pairing up the best teams why not 1 vs 2, 3 vs 4, 5 vs 6 and so on..... Wouldn't this make for better games?
PercyHarvin4Heisman07 said:
posted on December 4, 2006 4:55 PM — 72.158.254.34 — link — abuse?
Gotta love the enthusiasm on this blog. Michigan is not getting the shaft - we all are. And if OSU had to play them again they would be getting it! Everyone considers OSU one of the great teams of all time and now we have the chance to find out. Their big early season win against Texas now looks like just an average win. They beat what looks like a very good Michigan team at home. If they played UM again, we'd never know if were indeed a GREAT team - just a reaffirmed Big Ten champ.
We are all getting screwed because we would be watching something like the following schedule this weekend if college football wasn't a joke.
#1 OSU vs #8 Wake Forest
#2 Florida vs #7 Boise State (at large)
#3 Michigan (at large) vs #6 Oklahoma
#4 USC vs #5 LouisvilleSorry Wisconsin but the 2 team max rule makes sense and shouldn't be blamed on the BCS - blame it on the Big 10 who can't even count how many teams that are in their conference - get a championship game so that you can crown a true champion. LSU is out because of double secret rule that says a D1 team that goes undefeated should not be barred from the process just because no one thinks they are good enough to be there. Just ask the Beavers who lost to Boise St. by 30 points - yeah the same Beavers who beat USC if they belong.
We don't need a 16 team playoff - 8 will work every year. I think LSU is good to beat any team on any given day - but they didn't (twice) -so they are out.
And anyone that speaks in absolutes about sports never played them or is living in a fantasy world. Let's face it the sports media and weathermen are no different (wrong and no one seems to mind). A couple weeks ago West Virginia was a lock for the NC game, then Louisville, then Michigan, then USC and now Florida.
Last night I listened to Kirk Herbstreet complain for 3 hours about Florida jumping over Michigan based soley on the fact that he THINKS they are a better team. Cmon - I love this guy and want to be him, but three months ago he was telling us that Miami was far and away the best team in the country - yes even better than his Buckeyes. And he's one of the guys that's actually good at his job!!
So if it's not on the field let's just enjoy the season and celebrate it for what it is - the winding down of an out-dated tradition that in 20 years we be trying to explain to our kids!!!!
Go Gators.
Zac said:
posted on December 4, 2006 5:25 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
IrishJT: I would like you to consider a recommendation that in the long run would benefit the Fighting Irish and all of college football. It’s widely known; ND is unwilling to share its football marketing revenues. It’s the only reason they’ve gone all sports in the Big East, with the exception of football. It’s also the reason they won’t join the Big 10, and it’s no secret the Big 10 wants ND to join them. What surprises me is this. ND is a storied, historic, almost consistently successful program, which has a wide market base. Their full membership in the Big East or Big 10 would benefit either conference in far more ways than money, which would eventually result in more money for the conference anyway. So, why not let ND have their TV contract?
Consider this. While the Big East was originally founded as a strong basketball conference, the founding members were chosen because of their money markets. In addition to ND, there are three other broad based markets in existence which have yet to be exploited: Air Force, Army, and Navy. From a success on the field stand-point, Air Force & Navy have been roller coaster; Army has a storied past, but has done little in recent history. In the right conference, not only would the three of these institutions benefit, but air time involving games with any of these teams would be lucrative because of the wide market base.
The Big 10 wants what the ACC, Big 12,& SEC have – a 12 team conference which would allow them to host a lucrative conference play-off game.(They’ve had trouble finding a 12th school with respectable sports programs; had actually considered Pitt.) Geographically (Fuel costs being what they are…), not to mention the other benefits, ND joining them would make sense. The Big East might be willing to trade ND for PA St, again a better fit geographically for the Lions. That still leaves the Big 10 one team short. Geographically, IA St is a better fit for the Big 10, but that would leave the Big 12 short. This is where Air Force comes in, which provides the Big 12 the ancillary benefit of a major broad based market. The Big 12 has also wanted to dump Baylor and pick up AR, which for AR is a better geographical fit, but that would leave the SEC short. However, the SEC has a number of solid options in Central FL, Memphis, S. MS, Tulane, or UAB. While the SEC might argue against giving up AR’s 10 wins, AR’s success has been lean in recent years.
Finally we’re back to the ACC/Big East saga. Football wise, as it’s been so delicately pointed out, the Big East needs to be larger and stronger. Geographically, the Big East is a better fit for BC. So, if the ACC were willing to pick up Navy, and allow BC to return to the Big East unscathed, both conferences would benefit. That leaves Army, another broad based market institution, which would fit right into the Big East. Now, here’s the real problem: the Big East’s 16 team mega basketball league. They can’t just keep brining in new teams. Somebody has to go. Sadly, the Big East painted themselves into a corner in such a way, they’ve compromised their own football members, who are actually considering forming a new conference.
Given the argument of fuel costs, the Big East is going to have to be willing to give up the two Chicago schools they picked up in DePaul & Marquette (the way they’re playing this year), and concentrate on being more compact. The problem then becomes a Big East consisting of Army, BC, Cincy, CT, Louisville, Pitt, PA St, Rutgers, S FL, Syracuse, & WVU – only 11 teams. If Villanova, once a Div-1 football team, were able to jump back up to Div-1, there would then be in existence six major BCS conferences, each with reasonably broad based markets: ACC, Big 10, Big 12, Big East, Pac-10, & SEC. If things came down to a play-off, and it was determined the conference champions would go, here’s the possibility of six teams with at least room for two wild-cards, depending upon how the play-off would be set up. Personally, I prefer it be the highest ranked teams when it’s all said and done. But, that’s just me.
Kyle Beery said:
posted on December 4, 2006 6:08 PM — 24.170.131.182 — link — abuse?
Rob #44- Kinda funny how the statistics play out, huh?
Bucky #45- Wow, sub par? Well see I guess. Its all a matter of who comes out and plays. If both teams have a good day, its going to be a close game. If OSU slacks at all, and UF has a good day, its going to be UF on top.
Tressel # 50- The reason that MI is even with UF is thei only loss was to OSU, making up for their slightly weaker schedule. UF has the hardest schedule, but they lost to Auburn, a lower ranked team. Making them ~ even.
IrishJT #51- I am not complaining about everyone not getting into a BCS game...I think it should be the best teams, regardless of conference. Just keep in mind, that you still must figure in the difficulty schedule, cant put 12-0 Western Miss with OSU at 12-0, just because of their record.
Hog Fan From Maryland #52- Agreed
Geauxtigers0107 #71- Agree, not sure how they are #5 with 2 unranked losses. Funny how they loose whenever they meat a real defense. And atleast you thought your UF OSU game out. Tebow will be a deciding factor, along with Urban's bravery in going for the clutch situations.
WVUFB97 #74- Urban isnt a crybaby. Hes a vocal coach, just because he says he is deserving doesnt mean he is whining.
Duck #77- Yeah, that worries me too, now that I think about it. I have noticed how that is one thing that can really get in their heads from time to time.
Jake Fegan #80- Below average? Hardly. Yes, Harvin is great, thats why he will be in Heisman contention next year. We have so many weapons its not even funny. Leak(Yewah, he'll probably give you one), Tebow, Harvin, Baker, Wynn(both who havent been playing much due to injuries, but theyll be there), Latsko, etc...I am not saying that were the best, but I am saying that we arent below avg. Its going to be a great game, and the offenses are going to do a lot, I say high scoring again.
Zac- #89. It is the thoughest statistically proven. You cant sruge that. Their oponents winning percentage is the highest in the country.
PercyHarvin4Heisman07- Love the name man. He should win, he is a complete stud. Also, agree with what you said.
KB. Go Gators.
C-DOGG said:
posted on December 4, 2006 7:13 PM — 76.188.148.131 — link — abuse?
Hey ZAC,
Re: post#89,Thanks for picking my Canes over Nevada. Most people would continue to kick my team while they are down because they know they do not get too many chances ever to do it. I didn't know that this bowl existed until Miami was picked to play in it! That's embarrassing.
bucky in michigan said:
posted on December 4, 2006 7:36 PM — 24.247.241.106 — link — abuse?
"GATORgreg:
Florida beats OSU. Now I know most will consider this a biased opinion and it definately is. I just love coming on here and hearing the Gators suck this and that and Arkansas is going to steam roll them etc. etc. Well keep it up. Come NC time, OSU will not have played in a football game in 53 days. They arent going to be ready and they are going to feel entitled to this game. Florida will surprise them and win. Florida 35 OSU 24"
If you think that Tressel isn't going to have them prepared you are completely nuts. Tressel is one of the greatest coaches in the game right now and they will come in more then prepared, and beyond that...they have the team to win. OSU will finish it's 3rd #2 ranked team of the season. Count on it. If OSU fumbles snaps and gives up the ball in other turnovers, Florida might win...but if both teams play 100%, OSU will be the victor.
Better quarterback, better overall team, and better coach = #1 team in the nation. And no one in the industry thinks otherwise except the Michigan/Florida fanboys. Lloyd Carr ranked OSU #1 in the coaches poll, and so did EVERY OTHER coach that was reported in USA today.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/graphics/coaches_fb_poll_2006/flash.htm
This is OSU's year - everyone else is just fighting for second best.
badgerballer said:
posted on December 4, 2006 10:23 PM — 71.34.138.106 — link — abuse?
Zac - Post 89 : "BUT, ya know why WI got shafted? Everybody has been spouting schedule strength. WI’s schedule is arguably less challenging than WVU’s. That’s what hurt your badgers."
No, my brother. You are wrong. Check the final BCS standings. Wisconsin DID NOT get hurt by our schedule strength. That's my whole point! We finished BCS #7. Fact. We are not, not playing in a BCS bowl b/c of a weak schedule. Why can't y'all see this. Our schedule did not hurt us - except for not being in the nat'l title picture. We are going to the Cap One bowl b/c of 2-team max BCVS bylaw.
Post 92 - PercyHarvin4Heisman07 : "Sorry Wisconsin but the 2 team max rule makes sense and shouldn't be blamed on the BCS - blame it on the Big 10 who can't even count how many teams that are in their conference - get a championship game so that you can crown a true champion."
Huh? What on earth are you talking about? Blame the Big10 (having 11 teams) for the 2-team max BCS bylaw? How in the world does that make any sense? The two have absolutely nothing to do with one another.
The BCS has the 2-team max for the same reason it has mandatory conference champion tie-ins - revenue sharing. So all of the 'power conferences' get a piece of the $ pie. If 3 or more teams go, then that conference is getting a disporportionally large chunk of the pie. Why do you think 4-loss ACC champs keep going? So the ACC gets its bling. The Big10 not having a championship game is completely irrelevant. What the hell are you talking about?
GA Boy said:
posted on December 4, 2006 10:37 PM — 66.110.197.20 — link — abuse?
Irish JT.
What do you do, just post idiotic rants and then never come back? You really have something against the SEC, huh? I am with Volstrike, if SEC goes 1-8 in these bowls, I will donate $1000 dollars to your favorite charity. How about the "Keep Charlie here" fund. You guys got no chance against LSU. The D Line is going wreak havoc on Brady Quinn. I can't wait. GO DAWGS!! Beat Va Tech. Hell GA Tech did so why can't we!Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 4, 2006 10:56 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
GA Boy:
Still can't figure ol' IrishJT. I thought I had explained it to him in a pretty fair manner - that Notre Dame is just not ready for "Big Boy Ball" yet. And, now he's yammerin' on and on about how the SEC sucks! Man, and some of you know, that I was completely wrong about Notre Dame also. I never thought that they would put them in the Sugar. I had them pegged to play Wake in the Orange. I can't believe that they are gonna allow for LSU to beat that azz one more time this year. Or, I even mentioned it: watch the officiating in this one. If this is a greater shocker than UCLA - it'll definately make the Oregon/Oklahoma game look like one of the better officiated games of the century. Otherwise, LSU by at least 16 points minimum.
Tommie T
cardfan-in-Oklahoma said:
posted on December 5, 2006 12:38 AM — 70.233.173.142 — link — abuse?
Post#80
I'm a huge Louisville fan and I can tell you were in no way overlooking Wake Forest.Petrino is way to good of a coach to let his team overlook anyone!But,with that said and giving petrino almost a month to prepare... I'm pretty confident!!Everyone knows about our offense...but what has been overlooked all year is we have a dam good defense!!I know I'm biased but,I STILL THINK WE CAN PLAY WITH ANYONE IN THE COUNTRY...INCLUDING OHIO ST.!!!!!
Moving on:
This BCS system has got to go!!!
It's so unfare to so many teams!!
You could argue for several teams to be playing for it all.
It's time to find some way to make it like MARCH MADNESS...where any givin team on any givin day has a chance to beat the traditional powers of college sports!!! THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SO EXCITING!!!!
Being a Louisville fan my whole life I feel for Boise St.!! Coming from C-USA I always knew no matter how good we were... we could never play for the big prize. Now I know you can argue about who they play and all that but,you go undefeated in Div-1...you should have a chance to play for it all! I know all you fans of the traditional college football powers will not like that but,too bad!!!
Until you know what it's like to be an UNDERDOG... you will never understand!!!
Living in Oklahoma...
My hat goes off to BOB STOOPS for his incredible
coaching job this year at OU...losing your starting QB and then your all-american RB and then really overachieving is something many louisville fans can understand(Bobby Petrino..Coach of the Year) but, I hope Bosie St. wins...Just because of the underdog factor.
It's been a great season and I can't believe it's coming to an end.
I will be rooting for every underdog in every game except Wake Forest.
By the way in case you didn't hear:
Brian Brhom has announced he will be returning for his senior year!!!!!!!!!
If Micheal Bush returns as well....along with our very young team.........
Well I'll save it for next year...
GO CARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PopsMich said:
posted on December 5, 2006 7:38 AM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Pinball ! You're back. Was worried about you and hope you just went on a bender after the shock.
Looking forward to playing you in the Granddaddy, and breaking down who/why leading up to the game.
I'll consider this an intermission for the Opera, but you'll have to play your part.
SNAFU said:
posted on December 5, 2006 6:28 PM — 68.1.144.199 — link — abuse?
Post 49
BuckeyeBob,
I also noticed that, but what I found baffling was the middle to bottom votes. Look at UCLA and compare all the computers, 10th-24th place votes, wow. No wonder the Hubble telescope didn’t work when it was first sent into outer space.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 5, 2006 8:02 PM — 216.46.209.148 — link — abuse?
Mr. Mayor,If I were an Oregon,fan I think I would probably stay at.......ummm I guess I would probably stay home =)and watch the game on TV!
If you do make it to Michigan,for the game,do this for me,I want you to get a red vehicle,and get a Ohio State Buckeye flag,and get red and grey window markers,and write Michigan suck's goooo Bucks! =) It will make your stay more pleasant!
I remember when john is horrible Navarre played in the ZOO! And got smoked! The Zoo is one of the hardest places to win a game!
Michigan will have to play Oregon,and Notre Dame,OOC wich is two games against tough opponents! Can't accuse Michigan of having a weak schedule!
Go Blue!
Zac said:
posted on December 5, 2006 10:15 PM — 65.31.228.13 — link — abuse?
Cardfan-in-OK: Let's see. A healthy Brohm & a healthy Busch, back in the same backfield? OOOOOO!!! Who needs a defense? How's the offensive line? Is Douglas coming back? Do you have anyone currently or coming in who can replace Urrutia? If Petrino answers those questions... I repeat. Who needs a defense?!?
Oh, almost forgot. Sorry about selecting "Alaska" (AK) over WI (supposed to be AR), and Hawaii over Arkansas St (supposed to be AZ St.). But ya neva know.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 5, 2006 11:34 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Would these 12-Team-Conference fans finally admit that having Conference Championshiop Games CUTS BOTH WAYS!? Sure, on one hand it makes it tougher for one team specific team to get through their Conference, BUT...
... this year, Florida BENEFITTED by playing that Extra Game vs Arkansas in the SEC Champ-Game. Florida Probabaly would NOT have made it to the National Title game if their Season had ended at the 12 Scheduled games... Michigan would have likely remained No. 2, ahead of Florida in the BCS Rankings.
So enough Bitching and Complaining from the SEC and the XII, etc, about "Having To Play" a Conference Champ-Game... And who's forcing those Conferences to have em, Anyway?!
HokieDC said:
posted on December 6, 2006 12:19 AM — 68.107.154.167 — link — abuse?
Zac,
I would rather see VT v. WVU and yes I'm the same guy as DCHokie. I'm surprised no one caught on to the meaning of the alter ego. Only season we did not choke was in 99 when FSU played VT in the NTL championship and I offer that those 2 teams were in the top 5 in the last decade and in 2003 when VT won the ACC. I would much rather watch VT play WVU. It's always a good game (hell VT beat WVU on a last second field goal in 99 when it went to the ntl championship). We have to play a C student UGA though b/c the BCS is corrupt, boring, and defies rational thought. BUT WAIT to make this mismatch somewhat appealing we will put it in Atlanta to give the overmatched bulldogs a home field advantage...I almost want to give up on the NCAA D1. WVU v. VT has history and would be a good game. Instead we are going to see a blow out in ATL most likely with the Peach bowl hoping that most UGA fans show up and somehow make it competitive. It's basically all bs we have to have this blog. NCAA college football is America's best sport until the finale. I have friends that love the NFL but don't want college football and the reason is that there is no difference between it and American Idol. I know this is not an "important" cause by any means...but this shit is ridiculous.CommonManCommonSense said:
posted on December 6, 2006 12:46 AM — 72.8.77.189 — link — abuse?
The BCS is not messed up, College Football is a mess. An entire season is made or lost in one afternoon, or worse, on a single play. Even Michael Jordan missed a shot once in a while, the Babe struck out, and Joe Montana threw interceptions. The whole system is insane.
What about teaching players lessons by sitting them out for poor decisions off the field. Hell no, gotta win every game or the season is a bust. No wonder these guys think they are gods.
I am going to argue again for a playoff featuring the winners of the ten major conferences. If it makes the big boys feel any better, we can have the MAC, WAC, MWC and CUSA play a play-in game to get to an eight team play-off. Then winning the conference games means everything and the OOC schedule can be used to teach players the game, increase interest with intersectional games, etc. The big boys don't have to fight about who gets to play bo-diddly-tech because it won't matter. They can begin to play each other again.
The current system sells a great game short. No one expects an NFL team to go undefeated and it doesn't reduce the excitement of the Super Bowl. The playoffs build into a frenzy capped by the most watched sporting event in the world.
cardfan-in-Oklahoma said:
posted on December 6, 2006 2:51 AM — 70.233.135.232 — link — abuse?
Zac:
I don't think I know what you are trying to say!
But let me tell just a few things I do know !!Harry douglas is a junior...I know he lit up your ERRs this year but he isn't going pro!! BRO!
Urrita is only a sophmore...Probally good enough to go pro but don't see it happening.....Sorry you'll have to watch him KILL the WVU secondary on your home field!!(Brhom or Cantwell)
Our offensive line has two seniors leaving....but I'm not worried we lost two last year(both in the NFL right now) and I think we came out alright!!We're DEEP!!
Are defense is losing four seniors but I'm not sweating it.We lost the nations sack leader last year(Dumervile... now starting for the Denver Broncos)and most of our D-line!!And I think our D surprised a few people this year...
And again...WE'RE DEEP!And if you do see a healthy BUSH & BRHOM in our backfield next year... you and the rest the the mountianeer faithful will be ooooooooing a whole hellva lot!! Trust me!!Don't count on getting another homer call like the onside kick last year that made the OU/OREGON call this year look silly!!(You know what I'm talking about Right?)
Don't get me wrong...I will support WVU and the BE whenever there not playing Louisville. God knows I was cheering like hell in WVU'S game against Rutgers(props...we owe ya).But the conference play is over and you WVU fans and specifically you Zac were talking alot of smack before this years beat down (if I remember correctly) so I guess it's not to early to start for next year?
GO CARDS!!!!!elmarubtc said:
posted on December 6, 2006 10:14 AM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
Irish haters. Stop the whining read the facts. The subject is the almost irrational Notre Dame bashing that is going on primarily in Sports Talk Radio and in blogs like this. The comments are always the same, that Notre Dame is not entitled to a BCS game, and that they have not had a single meaningful win in the last 2 years. Read the facts below with a rational mind, I know that is asking a lot, and please do not call me a Notre Dame apologist because I am not apologizing for ND being in a BCS bowl game, they deserve to be and are entitled to their bid based on the facts, not anyone's opinion.
First of all if ND is not BCS worthy, then what eligible team that was left out of the BCS is. This is the question that all of the ND bashers ignore when they start on their criticism, and that is why I deem it almost irrational. The answer to the question in 2006 is only West Virginia. They are the only BCS Bowl Eligible team that was not chosen. Does West Virginia have a case because I surely have not heard anyone from that program complaining about being overlooked in favor of ND. Forget about the fact for a moment that ND finished ahead of West Virginia in the BCS, these are the facts. ND had a stronger schedule than West Virginia, (WVU even had a win against a I-AA team), ND had 5 Top 50 wins vs 3 for West Virginia, (as an aside the new media darling LSU now that Arkansas is out of the BCS only has 4 Top 50 wins) and finally look at the games that both teams lost, ND loses at home to Michigan, and on the road to USC, West Virginia loses at home to USF, and on the road at Louisville. Even the most biased ND haters can't confuse USC & Michigan with Louisville and USF. All of these reasons are why ND finished ahead of West Virginia in the BCS, and why they are going to a BCS game. ND is going to a BCS game because their record earned them a berth, not only because of their name recognition and Bowl earnings prowess. So the next time someone tells you that ND does not deserve to go to the Sugar Bowl, you now have the facts to answer the question, if not ND then who. The answer is there is no other better eligible team.
As to the comments about who has ND beaten in the last 2 years to deserve a BCS bid, before I tell you who they have beaten, I would like to know why out of all the BCS bound teams, ND is the only one that we hear this comment about. Take a look at all of the various strength of schedule (SOS) rankings and if you consensus them you will find that of all of the 10 BCS teams only Florida, USC, Michigan, and LSU had a stronger schedule than ND (yes that includes Ohio State among the weaker schedules). Despite this fact I never hear well who did Boise State, Wake Forest, Louisville, & Oklahoma beat (notice I did not include Ohio State because they did in fact beat Texas on the road and Michigan at home which wipes out any SOS deficiency). Again nobody wants to listen to the facts in all of this anti-Irish hysteria.
Finally, let us look at who ND has beaten the last 2 years. This year they have 5 victories against Bowl Bound teams (Georgia Tech,Penn State, Purdue, UCLA, and Navy) Do I need to remind anyone that UCLA beat USC. By comparison the media created mighty Arkansas Razorbacks have only four victories against Bowl Bound teams. In 2005 ND won road games at Pittsburgh, Washington, and Purdue, and lest we all forget they beat Michigan at the Big House. They also won 4 games at home by an average margin of victory of 23 points, including a 20 point win over Tennessee who they also beat at Rocky Top the pre-Charlie Weiss year of 2004. Forget about the fact that in 2005 Notre Dame was only 8 points from going undefeated, in answer to these consistenly lame anti-Irish comments, if you look at the facts without bias, Notre Dame has at least 11 wins against quality opponents in the last 2 years. This figure will compare favorably with almost any team in the country with the notable exception of the elite teams of the Big Ten, SEC, and USC. That is the final point to be made here. Even the most die hard ND fan can not dispute the fact that the ND program is not close to being on the level of Ohio State, Michigan, USC, or the SEC elite, but what drives us crazy is no one else is either, yet the media and the crazed ND hater blogging crowd continues to single out ND as undeserving. It is simply not fair and not factually based. Look at all of this information objectively and rationally and you would have to agree that ND has certainly earned its' BCS berth in each of the last 2 years. The final question is the same as the first, name one team in 2005 or 2006 that was eligible for and did not get a BCS bid because ND did.
Zac said:
posted on December 6, 2006 11:21 AM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
Cardfan-in-Oklahoma: "Smack & jack" is just part of the game, part of the fun. But, if you check my previous comments, I was sorry to see Bush (Notice I got the spelling right this time.) and later, Brohm, go down. What with all the anti Big East rhetoric, I wanted Louisville to stay strong. At least Brohm came back. Even still, with some of the depth you referred to, it looks as if Louisville is also deep at QB, just like WVU.
Where I was going with my questions was, I’d thought I’d heard Douglas might bolt for the NFL; you answered that one. Where I got confused with Urrita, I though he’d been honored on Sr. day, when Louisville played UConn. I’m glad to hear both will be back next year. Given you’re only loosing two guys from the offensive line, I’d say Brohm should see plenty of protection, and Bush will get quality blocking. No doubt; the Cards will be good next year. It could be another Louisville, Rutgers, WVU trio, with S FL, maybe Pitt, playing spoiler roles. (Given Cincy’s getting a new coach, I don’t see them being a spoiler in Piscataway next year.) I guess we’ll see.
What seems to be the bigger question is whether or not WVU will have a new coach next year. I’m hoping that’s not the case. Save for bringing in a few more teams, I like the Big East the way it is.
HokieDC: GA had the home field against WVU last year; it didn't make a difference. Go VA Tech!!!
Tommy T: I used to know. Can't drink bear any more (WAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!). Glad to see ya back!
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 6, 2006 12:10 PM — 216.46.213.163 — link — abuse?
Thats right! I had forgotten that Notre Dame Smoked Tennessee two years in a row!
All'ya'll SEC fan's! WE have to play them every year and it's a NON CONF GAME,and next year we also play Oregon!
WON'T FIND TENNESSEE FAN'S BASHING ND!
gatorstud said:
posted on December 6, 2006 2:05 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
hey irishjt..(#188 from ohio st - florida blog-yesterday) i have had enough of you and your "classless" remarks.....how can anyone...anyone...from notre dame have the nerve to talk about "class"...Notre Dame has alway sat on their perch and watched the rest of the college world go by as if they were special...or should i say more "classy" than any other university.....well, i have two words for you...Ty Willingham....what ND did to him was the most classless thing i have seen a university do.....then your classy universtiy hires weiss and then they gave him a huge contract extension after the first year.....which if you do some research you will find ty's first season is very similar to weiss.....now i am a U of F grad. living near south bend and i can tell you that there you also have classless fans...i witness them everyday......so the next time you want to preach about class...maybe you should go sit in front of "touchdown" jesus and spew your crap....
gatorstud said:
posted on December 6, 2006 2:10 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
i'll say this...it will be hard to play catch-up w/ OSU....but, if we can keep it close...we all seen how florida does in close games.....they find a way to get it done....i am wondering....besides being down to michigan early..has OSU had to come from behind in the fourth quarter to win this year.....(i can't recall osu being behind much this past year)
CW said:
posted on December 6, 2006 4:29 PM — 66.226.45.182 — link — abuse?
Tressel forfeits Championship Game
COLUMBUS, OH--The BCS title game is still a month away, but it looks like the Florida Gators have already won. That’s because the Ohio State Buckeyes, the number one team in the nation, have unexpectedly forfeited the game in order to avoid facing the wrath of the mighty SEC, the toughest conference in all of college football.“As you all know, the Florida Gators hail from the Southeastern Conference, a powerhouse conference that is the toughest, grittiest, and most talented in all the nation,” said Buckeyes coach Jim Tressel. “As good as we are, we’re not stupid enough to put ourselves in the potentially embarrassing situation of having to face the SEC champion. We’re a good team, but the SEC plays on a whole different level as the rest of the nation. In fact, I’d like to someday be an SEC coach, though I probably wouldn’t cut the mustard because SEC coaches are hard-nosed warriors and I’m kind of a dork.”
Tressel also pointed out that Florida spent its season playing against other SEC opponents while Ohio State played against teams from the inferior Big 10 conference.
“We’ve never seen a team like Florida before,” said Tressel. “We have not had a taste of SEC football at all. The best team we’ve played this year is Michigan, and those guys are from the Big 10, which is like the SEC Jr. Florida, on other hand, has played Alabama, Tennessee, LSU, and Georgia. Read that list again. You think we could have handled all those teams? Not likely. And I don’t even want to think what an SEC defense would do to our poor little Troy Smith. Bye bye Heisman, hello full body cast. No thanks. We’ll skip the game and live to suck another day.”
Upon hearing the news of Ohio State’s forfeit, members of the Florida Gators were outraged.
The Gators were looking forward to the opportunity to face the Buckeyes on national television and give them a little taste of a good old fashioned SEC-style butt kicking.
“We wanted a shot at these guys and now they’re backing down,” said head coach Urban Meyer. “It’s not fair. We worked so hard to play and defeat the number one team in the country. Never mind how sloppy we played against Arkansas. Arkansas is an SEC opponent, a super team like us. Those games are wars of attrition. Just getting out alive is an accomplishment. That’s why we were looking forward to a nice, relaxing, breezy victory against a non-SEC opponent. Can’t we at least play Michigan? Please? Come on, we promise not to run up the score. We’ll put our backups in as soon as we hit 65 points.”
Unfortunately for Meyer, the decision has already been made. A message on the front page of the Ohio State Buckeyes web site read “Congratulations to the Florida Gators on winning the 2006 NCAA National Championship.” Even quarterback Troy Smith has given up on the championship and started focusing on the upcoming NFL draft.
“The team has made their decision and we just have to go along with that,” said Smith as he was cleaning out his locker at Ohio State. “Of course, we all would have liked the opportunity to play for the title, but clearly the best team has prevailed, and frankly, we saved ourselves some embarrassment and probably some pretty serious injuries. I am entering the NFL draft this year and the last thing I need is for scouts to see me throwing interceptions and being sacked and openly weeping while those SEC defenders stand over me flexing their muscles. It’s better to quit now and let them think I can actually play.”
According to NCAA rules, there is no rule prohibiting a team from forfeiting a title game. Now the NCAA is faced with a decision: find a replacement team to play Florida or cancel the title game altogether.
“It’s technically legal for a team to forfeit this game, but it’s never actually happened before,” said NCAA president Myles Brand. “So it’s up to us to find a solution to this problem. We could use the opportunity to allow a more deserving team to play for the championship. How about Florida versus LSU or Florida versus Auburn? How about Florida versus Vanderbilt? Kentucky? You put Kentucky in the Big 10 and they’re probably finishing at 11-1. Actually, forget all that. Why don’t we just have Florida, the SEC champ, take the field on January 8th and just stand there and let the crowd get a look at what true awesomeness is all about? That could backfire, though, if the fans get intimidated and run for their lives.”
Zac said:
posted on December 6, 2006 5:05 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
CW: Wow, I mean WOW!!! That's some interesting...prose you got there. You remember that guy in the argument for/against play-off blog, wrote some similar stuff, looked like science fiction? You two should get together and go in on a book; it's bound to be a best seller. Let's all give CW a hand; he's something special.
Tommy T: Mother Nature won't allow me to have the hard stuff either, save maybe a little Bailey’s now and then. So, being Italian, I do what Italians like me do best: Vino!!! Beringer’s White Zinfandel and Kenwood's Chenin Blanc, are probably my favorites. A not too hardy or sweet Gewurtztraminer is OK too.
gatorstud: I seem to recall this team from Ohio just a few years back, won some close defensive games. During one game, they were up by 4 with bare minutes left and a big underdog, Cincinnati, knocking on their door, 1st and 10 in the Red Zone on their 15. Thanks to two solid defensive plays and two dropped balls in the end-zone, that team from Ohio beat Cincy. Nobody expected them to go undefeated, yet they wound up beating Miami for the National Title. Now, I've said some things about FL, most of it in good fun, and I've picked OSU to win. On one hand, I see your point; a close game seemingly favors your Gators. On the other hand, this year's team from Ohio also saw a couple of close games, the last of which definitely got them where they are. So, like FL, they have that experience; that's why I picked them. Not because I think FL is a lousy team, rather because I think OSU is better.
cardfan-in-Oklahoma said:
posted on December 6, 2006 11:40 PM — 70.233.179.207 — link — abuse?
Zac,
I truly hope coach Rod does stay,I think he's a great coach and great for the Big East!I guess that's why everyone's after him!!Just like there after Petrino every year and I guess you can add Schiano to the list as well!
It's pretty funny how all the Big East bashers programs are after are pitiful league's coaches isn't it!!
USF has been overlooked all year...they will be very good in the years to come..and how about thier coach!!
And by the way...Smack & Jack is a big reason I visit this blog!!!Go Big East and................
GO CARDS!!!
CW,
Post #129 was Awesome....many props!!elmarubtc said:
posted on December 7, 2006 8:53 AM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
Hey Tipp Post #31. If you are referring to ND beating Tennesee in 2004 & 2005, Ainge was not hurt for either game. His ankle injury was in 2006. If you are going to defend the SEC (which really does not need your help) at least be intelligent enough to know the facts. As for USC/Arkansas is it USC's fault that McFadden was hobbled in the first game because he injured his toe in a fight outside a night club in July, or is that just typical of the joke of calling some SEC football players student/athletes, and if you think that a healthy McFadden would have made up for the 36 point pasting that Arkansas took from USC you are delusional as well as lacking in knowledge.
gatorstud said:
posted on December 7, 2006 9:52 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
to zac..#130....yeah i remember osu from a couple of years ago...and yes the gators have looked lousy at times (ok, several) this year, but it just seems that when it's time to get it done ....the gators seem to get it done.....that 10 point loss at auburn was a joke...the fumble call on leak, late in the 4th qtr., was a joke...you could clearly see leak's arm moving forward when the ball came out...it should have been called a inc. pass....florida was on the auburn 6 yard line and was only down by three at that point....that bad call is what kept florida from being undefeated....on paper the buckeyes seem to be big favorites.....but thats why they play the game on the field....with all that said..i hope it is a good game....we will all see if florida deserved to be there....PS..i am going to ANTONIOS tonight....is that "Kenwood's Chenin Blanc" good w/ lasagna??
Sam said:
posted on December 7, 2006 12:43 PM — 71.77.10.109 — link — abuse?
How hard would it be to eliminate one game each year...start the NCAA playoffs on Dec 2 with the top 8 teams....the top four teams play on Dec. 15th and the NCAA has a true National Champion on January 1st game?
You can still have your who cares bowls for the other schools with decent seasons. 17 Million a school payoff? How could they turn this down?
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 7, 2006 1:12 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
M Blue,
Smoked Tennessee?
2004 17-13 Notre Dame and our QB got injured in the first half.
2005 41-21 Notre Dame, tie game going into the fourth quarter.ND caught Tennessee during a down time. UT would crush them now with the new OC. By the way, the last UT vs. Michigan game I remember was a 45-17 beatdown in the Citrus Bowl. That is what you call getting smoked from the kickoff to the final whistle.
gatorstud said:
posted on December 7, 2006 3:49 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
hey m go blue....i was on the sidelines (not playing...as a spectator) for the 92 ND vs FLORIDA sugar bowl.....i still have nightmares about jerome bettis's run late in the game....(but as luck would have it...i am a huge steelers fan from wwwwaaayyyy back and really enjoyed having bettis on our team) but, you r rite...ND seems to have the sec's number.....and it seems that the state of michigan has floridas number too....a couple of bowl losses to michigan teams...and a basketball championship....but,hey....thats sports.....
Zac said:
posted on December 7, 2006 3:58 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
gatorstud: Stick with the Beringer's; you'll not go wrong.
Sam: How hard would it be to eliminate one game each year? How hard would it be for each school in said contest to eliminate the revenue? You're talking big bucks, even if it is only a 40,000+ capacity stadium. I think the better question is, "How hard would it be to have play-offs going five weeks and into January." This year's National Title is already a full week into the month. If that can be done, one more weekend can be taken up. There you would have it. Between the 2nd weekend in December and two weekends in January, a full Top-25 team play-off system. With as many bowls as there are this year (32), that's lots of room for the "who cares anyway" bowls.
The Mayor said:
posted on December 7, 2006 4:59 PM — 67.174.192.148 — link — abuse?
M Go Blue,
#109. I'll take my chances at The Big House, I mean as a Duck, when am I going to get another chance to see it right?
I'll pass on your Red and Grey fashion suggestion though, too close to WAZOO colors. I definitely wear more yellow than green, in case I need a quick getaway or have to blend in with the MI crowd.
See you next September 8th!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 7, 2006 5:17 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
M GO BLUE:
Shame on you. Where you gettin' your numbers from? Michigan is 11-4-1 all-time versus the SEC. They are 7-4 since 1965. Although, that is a very good record, it's a long way from 19-5. Are you tryin' to scare the SEC'ers? They don't seem to scare too easily. I think if Michigan was a 100-1 - they'd still take the Gators.
Tommie T
The Mayor said:
posted on December 7, 2006 5:31 PM — 67.174.192.148 — link — abuse?
Gatorstud,
I recommend a "Sangiovese" (any brand will do)with Lasagna...if your order a white zinfandel, the wait staff will make fun of you back in the kitchen.
Sorry Zac, I live just south of Napa, CA and I disagree with your wine recommendations (although is no such thing as a wrong choice, it's all personal taste)...but this is the wrong blog for that discussion.
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 7, 2006 6:02 PM — 71.155.146.93 — link — abuse?
elmarubtc,
In 2004 - Ainge broke his shoulder when he was tackled taking a knee before halftime, Tennessee had the lead. Rick Clausen then opened the 2nd half with pick off returned for a touchdown.
Tommy T,
Can you tell me Michigans record against the top SEC teams since 1965. Wins against the bottomfeeders don't count.
HokieDC said:
posted on December 8, 2006 12:14 AM — 68.107.154.167 — link — abuse?
Evidence the system is broken:
Almost everyone (except Michigan fans) thinks UF deserves to play in the NTL Championship based on what they did during the regular season.
I BELIEVE most (unbiased) people also feel that if there were a 8 or 4 team tourney or plus one system, the two teams left standing when it was all over are OSU and Michigan.
In sum, everyone has a point so why not play it out on the field. It's also important that in college football "every game matters", so I'm against an 8 or 16 team tourney. Then all we get is college basketball where no one cares about the regular season and march madness is all that matters. How about top 4 BSC teams play it out at the end of the season. OSU v. LSU and Mich v. UF....final being OSU v. Mich....it's a beautiful thing. As for Boise State keep up the good work and join the PAC 10. You'll get your shot eventually.
IrishJT said:
posted on December 8, 2006 9:27 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Boys, boys, boys...come on.
First of all, I never said the SEC sucks. My wife went to Auburn, they are my second-favorite team (third favorite being any team playing any of the 3 Florida schools) and the SEC is by far the best conference in college football.
Now, that being said, the SEC has some up and down teams this year. Auburn, for example, stomped Florida's ass in the second half this year, but were outplayed for 3 1/2 quarters by South Carolina. LSU fumbles inside the 10 yard line in big games. Florida can't cover the spread against D-IA opponents.
The SEC have some tough bowl games. I doubt they go 1-8, but admit it...they have a tough road. Let's put it this way: either the SEC or the Big 10 will have the best bowl record.
CW said:
posted on December 8, 2006 10:04 AM — 66.226.45.182 — link — abuse?
Thanks!!!
I look forward to hearing the crying from Pac & Big 10 fans this bowl season. I wonder what excuses their going to use?? However, did you catch ESPN last night? The discussion over a play-off system seemed more optimistic? I just don't see it ever materializing because of $. How will the BCS & the networks handle never seeing a Pac or ND team in the big game? It may become monotonous watching the Big Ten & SEC play in the "Super Bowl" each year? Hopefully the ACC with FSU & Miami can rise to the occasion?
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 8, 2006 11:22 AM — 216.46.213.188 — link — abuse?
Tommie,I get my numbers from Mgoblue.com
maybe they are wrong,but this is what it has listed.vs Alabama 2-1
vs Arkansas 1-0
vs Auburn 1-1
vs Florida 1-0
vs Georgia 1-1
vs Kentucky 1-0
vs Mississippi 1-0
vs South Carolina 1-1
vs Tennessee 0-1
vs Vanderbilt 10-0-1I come up with 19-5-1.
have never played LSU,or Mississippi State.
But don't take this as SEC bashing,I simply beleive Michigan,can hold their own against any of the SEC teams.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 8, 2006 11:47 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
volstrike3:
This one doesn't look so good for the SEC, but you asked for it, and here it is: Michigan's record vs "The Top SEC programs" since 1965.
1965 Georgia (6-4) 15 Michigan 7
1984 Auburn (11-1) 9 Michigan 7 (Sugar Bowl)
1988 Michigan 28 Alabama (7-5) 24 (Hall of Fame)
1991 Michigan 35 Mississippi (9-3) 3 (Gator Bowl)
1997 Alabama (10-3) 17 Michigan 14 (Outback Bowl)
1999 Michigan 45 Arkansas (9-3) 31 (Citrus Bowl)
2000 Michigan 35 Alabama (10-3) 34 (Orange Bowl)
2001 Michigan 31 Auburn (9-4) 28 (Citrus Bowl)
2002 Tennessee (11-2) 45 Michigan 17 (Citrus)
2003 Michigan 38 Florida (8-5) 30 (Outback Bowl)Michigan also beat a (4-6) Vanderbilt team 42-14 in 1969. But, against mostly elite SEC teams (in Bowl games), Michigan has a 6-4 record while outscoring the opposition 28.8-24.6 per game. Where is that defense, SEC? These look like high scoring games. Almost like Pac-10 scores.
Tommie T
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 8, 2006 12:01 PM — 216.46.213.188 — link — abuse?
Tommie,last year when wisconsin,beat Auburn,and West Virginia,beat Georgia,before both games all I heard about was the big time DEFENSE of which I saw none!
I saw two supposed underdogs take it to the
S uperman strong and fast
E lite
C ommanding defensegatorstud said:
posted on December 8, 2006 12:08 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
i will keep quiet about michigan vs sec because i know my gators have not fared well against any team from mich.....mich state thumped us in a bowl ......and in the ncaa basketball tournament...mich state again....got us..man that mateen cleeves was good......so i will let everyone else fight this one out...and i will keep quiet
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 8, 2006 12:10 PM — 216.46.213.188 — link — abuse?
Tommie,view all opponent record,search Michigan,I found the same thing I found on Mgoblue.com
vs Alabama 2-1
vs Arkansas 1-0
vs Auburn 1-1
vs Florida 1-0
vs Georgia 1-1
vs Kentucky 1-0
vs Mississippi 1-0
vs South Carolina 1-1
vs Tennessee 0-1
vs Vanderbilt 10-0-1 it has not updated this years victory over Vanderbilt
19-5-1volstrike3 said:
posted on December 8, 2006 1:17 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
Tommy T,
I did ask for it. 6-4 is not great but not bad. It is a far cry from the 19-5 or whatever M GO BLUE was trying to claim. Michigan is a great program and I figured it would be around .500. They are all close games except Michigan blowing out Ole Miss in 1991 and Tennessee blowing out Michigan in 2002. Bowl games do tend to be higher scoring than conference games because the teams don't play each other very often and the coaching is key.
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 8, 2006 1:32 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
M GO Blue,
You know it is misleading to include a 10-0-1 record vs. Vandy is this conversation.
I agree that Michigan can hold their own with the SEC. So can OSU and Wisconsin on a regular bassi. I am not one of these guys that thinks the SEC champ is way better than everyone else. We just have more good teams than anyone else. Michigan played 2-3 tough games this year while most of the top SEC teams played 5 or more.
I think the best judge of the SEC vs. big 10 will be our # 4 team Tennessee vs. your #4 team Penn State.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 8, 2006 2:18 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
M GO BLUE:
I'm gonna check in on this, but keep this in mind, not all those teams might have been in the SEC at the time of the game. South Carolina wasn't always in I know. That's alot of games against Vanderbilt and I'm gonna go back and find out when they joined the conference. The better search is record against all "opposing conferences".
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 8, 2006 2:31 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
M Go BLUE:
The problem is mostly with Vandy. They did not join the SEC until 1922. Since that time - Michigan is 2-0-1 against Vandy. Prior to that, Vanderbilt was and independent, and played in another conference up until 1921.
Here another site - check it out: www.cfbdatawarehouse.com. You can find all information on different teams and when they were members of various conferences. This should clear it up. The "all-time" records against current SEC teams is correct, but technically, you can't count wins over the SEC until after those teams had joined the conference.Tommie T
posted on December 8, 2006 4:34 PM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?
Tommie, Vandy was in various forms of the old Southern Conference before the SEC was established in 1933. Ironically, Vanderbilt was one of the premier football powers in the south at the turn of the 20th century. They were (and still are) a private university flush with cash and could afford to hire at the time the best coaches out of the north.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 8, 2006 6:18 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
M GO BLUE:
The Boyz down south have confimed it - Vanderbilt was a "major" football power at the time that Michigan "beat them down" at a clip of 10-0-1 or whatever it was. In fact, it sounds as if they may have been the elite team from the SEC in those days. Imagine the controversy in those days, when the best team in the SEC, couldn't ever beat Michigan. Must have been some really serious "homing pigeon blogs" goin' on back and forth. LOL!!! Anyway, I don't know if you count the 19-5 record or the 11-4 - not sure. I never thought that Vanderbilt could have ever been any good. Haven't been since I've been alive - that much I do know.
Tommie T
clemson1981 said:
posted on December 8, 2006 8:01 PM — 74.226.196.203 — link — abuse?
nd/lsu, nd does not even belong in the bcs, and people say nd is no longer a favorite child in the polls, thats a load. ou/boise state, i cant wait to watch the smurf turf boys get hammered on by ou. wake/louisville what a great game, good story, too bad this is jim grobes first and LAST BCS game. and of course the gators/the buckeyes, its going to be great to watch mr. heisman get torn up by those southern boys, so in other words:
LSU wins BIG!!
OU wins big
Wake plays hard and gets grobe his frist and last bcs game win
FLORIDA stops the living hell out of osu, score will be close but stats will be all one sidedVOLPIMP said:
posted on December 8, 2006 8:34 PM — 208.0.27.10 — link — abuse?
gatorstud I'll jump in on this one (Jimmy Clausen) if you don't mind. Personally it doesn't bother me that he didn't choose UT, this kid is no doubt a great talent. Casey was really hyped up coming out of high school as well, and he really did well as a freshmen and a sophomore, injuries and a lousy O line hurt his career. He was on pace to break practically all of Peyton's records until the wheels fell off. Rick was an average QB, but had a huge heart, if he would have had Casey's arm with his attitude he would have lit it up, probably would never have left LSU though if that were the case. Remember Ron Powlus at ND, or Dan Kendra at FSU? They were both highly sought after and had huge expectations, Powlus never amounted to much and Kendra ended up at fullback. Not saying that Clausen won't light it up, he very well might, but the transition from High school to big time college is huge, he probably has as good a shot at greatness as some kid we haven't even heard of yet. Chris Leak is another good example, he was the hottest thing going when you guys signed him, no disrespect but I bet even Leak himself expected more success for himself than he achieved. You guys beat OSU though and he will have achieved at least 1 of the National titles he predicted, which is more than most. Hope he gets it. Go Gators!
HokieDC said:
posted on December 9, 2006 2:48 AM — 68.107.154.167 — link — abuse?
Clemson1981,
Do you actually watch college football or just pick the teams from the South on a blind whim to win every game. If you are going to post predictions that make no sense at least offer us your logic behind it. I am going to go on a limb here an guess Gaines Adams is the greatest defensive college football player of all time right???
Tomcat said:
posted on December 9, 2006 5:11 AM — 69.153.81.120 — link — abuse?
Hey folks these Notre Dame fans really think they deserve to play in a BSC bowl, not only that they actually think they have a chance to win.
Yes I know yall beat GaTech, LSU in the Sugar
Check this out what happens when
USC beats Mich Home Game for Trojans
Fla beats Ohio St How I dont know, but they might
Boise beats OU and is the only team left undefeated Boise St #1Upset specials
Kentucky over Clemson
Houston over So Carolina
Ok State over Alabamabucky in michigan said:
posted on December 9, 2006 4:28 PM — 24.247.241.106 — link — abuse?
Since I do live in Michigan now, I'd root for UofM in most of their games...except versus OSU. Now that Michigan fans have bitched and complained so much about not getting the rematch, I hate to do it...but I am rooting for USC. Because I know that if OSU kills Florida and Michigan beats USC, every UofM fan will be complaining for the next year about how they should have been in the championship game - and I DON'T want to hear that anymore. Sorry blue, but I have to root for USC, just so I don't have to hear your whiny asses for the next 6 months.
gatorstud said:
posted on December 9, 2006 4:36 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
volpimp...hard not to agree w/ you about chris leak...lot of hype not a lot of production, but he does know how to manage a game......now, i am hoping tim tebow lives up to his hype...only time w/ tell.....us gators still use danny w. as a measuring stick to which all quarterback at the U of F are measured by.....i hope chris leak can get it done.....we'll see..
CW said:
posted on December 10, 2006 4:31 PM — 66.226.45.182 — link — abuse?
SEC Conference.
Children! Children!! Before posting "last years" sec losses remember... both Georgia (young & injured) & Auburn which ended last year in the sec as a kinda "Paper Tiger" hardly represented the typical SEC powerhouse. Georgia is still rebuilding & yes many in the SEC have picked on Georgia for last years unforgiven bowl! However, Auburn is back & LSU ... well lets say is dissapointed at only a ND team. I hate it for OSU... I like OSU's team and they deserved a rematch with the Mighty Blue. Loosing to the Gator's is sad. They should be kicking the Pac into the stone age.Jimmy 3 said:
posted on December 10, 2006 11:43 PM — 71.85.196.151 — link — abuse?
I just learned that you can now pre-order the LSU vs Notre Dame Sugar Bowl 2007 DVD ! The cost is $24.95. Their will be many url's to order it including many of the LSU websites, but I found it from the company that is producing enhanced DVD's for 4 of the BCS games. The company is called the Friday Group. Pretty cool name for a company I thought.... Any way, the url to order it now is http://www.fridaygroup.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=26_28&products_id=30&osCsid=262b6e9c52d71373e28d3d2cfd32026a
If you search their website, http://www.fridaygroup.com/store/index.php?cPath=26_28&osCsid=262b6e9c52d71373e28d3d2cfd32026a
you will notice they other BCS games for sale as well.Pretty Cool and I wanted to make sure you knew.
Take care,
Jimmy 3
cardman steve said:
posted on December 11, 2006 8:55 AM — 74.140.237.99 — link — abuse?
merry xmas everyone and god bless your trask talking and bashing as well. lsu 38 nd 35, usc34 mich 31, my cards 41 wake 24, bosie st 44 ou 39, buckeyes 30 the gators 21. i feel alot of points will be scored in all of these games. i can,t stand the irish but i feel they might whip lsu in a very wild game. all of these games could be wild. wake finds ways to win and could push my cards. gators could push the buckeyes if they install that over size qb and they play good d as well. bosie st and ou could be a total gun slinging game and perhaps the wildest game of them all. usc and mich is a classic match up. i am storing up my budwiser. getting plenty snacks like hot wings and deer jerky and some chili and fried fish and watch these games. no need in bitching,bashing but let the trash talking began and go CARDS!!!! i really feel these bcs games could be wild affairs. merry xmas to all of you.
Michigan sucks said:
posted on December 11, 2006 11:17 AM — 64.18.36.1 — link — abuse?
Yo my predictions for the games are USC over Michigan by a lot. Louisville over Wake Forest by a little. Ohio State over the poorly powered team of Florida by a lot. oh and i almost forgot LSU over ND by a small margin. My score 20-15
Michigan sucks said:
posted on December 11, 2006 11:18 AM — 64.18.36.1 — link — abuse?
Yo my predictions for the games are USC over Michigan by a lot. Louisville over Wake Forest by a little. Ohio State over the poorly powered team of Florida by a lot. oh and i almost forgot LSU over ND by a small margin. My score 20-15
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 11, 2006 1:29 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
gatorstud,
Of course I would like to have Jimmy Clausen but I am not really that heartbroken. Ainge is good for another year and our redshirt freshman that filled in this year is pretty good. I think Clausen will end up like most of the overhyped HS quarterbacks, he will struggle for two years and they be a good but not great player. It is kind of like when we didn't get Chris Leak. I would have liked to have him but it worked out OK. Losing out on Eli was tough.
elmarubtc said:
posted on December 11, 2006 2:02 PM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
#173-CW- I guess I'm a child but it is so tiresome to keep hearing from the media gurus that the SEC is so dominant, yet whenever someone point out a SEC weakness you SEC guys always have an excuse. (young and injured, freshman quarterbacks, suspended players, etc.) If the SEC is so great you should not need excuses, only the 2006 bowl season will show how good or overrated the SEC truly is. However, here are the 2005 & 2006 facts, check them out & tell me if I am wrong.
2005 Regular Season- SEC played 10 out of a possible 36 non-conference games vs. other BCS Conference schools. The record 4-6, including 2-4 against teams that ended up in the final 2005 BCS poll.
2005 Bowl Season- 3-3
2006 Regular Season- SEC played 15 out of a possible 48 non-conference games vs. other BCS Conference school. The record 9-6, but get this the SEC in 2006 was only 1-5 against teams that ended up in the final 2006 BCS poll. Compared to 2005, in 2006 the SEC conference had 12 additional out of conference games to schedule, but only scheduled 5 against other BCS conference schools. Those 5 additional games were scheduled by Vanderbilt, Georgia, Alabama, Ole Miss & Miss St., hardly the elite teams of the SEC in 2006. All of this begs the question, if the SEC is so all-powerful, then why did they not take the opportunity in 2006 to strengthen their out of conference schedule. Maybe someone knew they would only go 1-5 against the BCS Top 25?
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 11, 2006 3:59 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
If a sereant in the Army wants to join the Marine Corps they get booted down to a PRIVATE... you go thru bootcamp again. Not the other way around.CW says:
sc USMC,
Yes, I’ve never understood the ASVAB ratings for the USMC? I was set to join the USMC back in 86 but my MOS was a FO in the artillery. The Marine Corp's didn't have the brains to train for the job and informed me that the Army would have to train me at Ft. Sill then I would join a Marine unit! I told them no thanks ... I would join the Army. I was then told during NCO training that even decent Marine DI's have to be properly schooled in the Army. Just like the Pac Conf... they say their something but real life suggest otherwise.
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 11, 2006 4:29 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
elmarubtc,
Your post is a little misleading. Understand that some other conferences schedule our weaker teams. 1-5 vs. bcs top 25 teams. The only top SEC teams were Tennessee killing Cal and USC thrashing Arkansas for a record of 1-1
Vandy vs. Michigan
Miss State v. WVA
Kentucky v. U of LAre all games that we should lose as they are the bottom feeders of the league. Also, all 5 of the bcs ranked SEC teams played against at least 4 currently ranked teams. Nobody except for USC played a schedule comparable to the SEC teams. The SEC did win some notable games OOC:
UT vs. Cal 35-18
LSU vs. Arizona 40-3
Auburn vs. Washington State 45-0 (or something like that)
S Carolina vs. Clemson
Georgia vs. Ga Tech.
Fla vs. FSU (was a big game when scheduled)We did go 3-3 in the bowls last year and that was not a very good showing. GA got shocked in the first quarter by WVA but did really outplay WVA them for 3 quarters. GA didn't respect them and they got beat. Auburn lost to a good wisconsin team and that happens.
I think this year will be a good gage for the SEC vs. Big 10 as basically the 1,3,4 teams are matching up.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 11, 2006 4:37 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
CW,
If a Marine sergeant wants to join the Army, often times they give him an extra stripe (from what I hear)... I actually had a 29 year-old Army staff sergeant in my platoon in bootcamp. He was forced to started off as a "Recruit" again... again, the Army has the LOWEST score requirement on the ASVAB, and you're trying to dog the Marine's standards??? ... another thing, the Marine Corps is lean-n-mean, dont worry about em using the Army's schools for some of the training
... anyway, just wanted to clear a few things up.And oh yeah, doesnt the Army have Co-ed Bootcamp ?
Zac said:
posted on December 11, 2006 10:45 PM — 65.31.228.13 — link — abuse?
volstrike3, Post 182: "GA got shocked in the first quarter by WVA but did really outplay WVA them for 3 quarters."
R U serious? Did you actually watch the game? I did; didn't mis a thing. WVU owned GA for approximately the 1st 17.5 minutes. GA fought back over approximately the next 22.5 minutes. After that, WVU answered every GA threat to tie or take the lead. In a nut shell, WVU dominated a certain timeframe; GA dominated another time frame, and they stalemated over a third time frame. The game was decided by three points, and the difference between the two teams' total offense was 1 or 2 yards. That's not exactly what I'd refer to as one team's dominance over the other, let alone over a specific number of quarters. (By the way it's WVU, not WVA. Like I've said before; spell check don't save me either.)
elmarubtc said:
posted on December 12, 2006 9:13 AM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?
#182-Volstrike3- You are correct in that 4 of the 5 losses were by Vandy, Kentucky, Miss St. & Ole Miss, but you are missing the point. The SEC had the opportunity in 2006 for their elite teams to schedule some of the weaker teams in the other BCS conferences but instead in most cases chose to play non-BCS conference schools for their extra game.
Your second paragraph is completely wrong and contradicts what you said in the first paragraph. All SEC schools in 2006 played a total of 6 out of conference games vs the BCS final 25 and their record was 1-5, you agreed with that. Then you try to say that -Also, all 5 of the bcs ranked SEC teams played against at least 4 currently ranked teams.- That makes no sense and is incorrect unless you are trying to say they played each other? We are talking about out of conference games vs. the BCS Top 25. Florida, LSU & Auburn did not play any of these type games. Only Tennessee and Arkansas played this type of game and as you stated correctly they went 1-1. Where did you come up with all 5 of the SEC BCS Top 25 teams playing against at least 4 currently ranked teams?
Here is the point I am trying to make. The SEC is most likely the strongest conference in the country this year, but the facts show that the on the field records do not prove that as of yet, and prior to completion of the 2006 Bowl Season, the media should not be crowning the SEC as the best. Obcourse we all know that most of the media pays no attention to the facts. There will be no question that there will be an answer after this bowl season with 9 SEC teams playing 8 games against other BCS conference schools.(SC plays Houston, otherwise there are 3 Big Ten matchups, 2 Big 12, 2 ACC & LSU/ND). Also 5 of the 9 games are against 2006 year end BCS Top 25, Nebraska, VA Tech, Wisconsin, Notre Dame & Ohio State. After January 8, we will all know for sure based on the records whether the SEC is as good as they claim to be. If they go 6-3 or better I beleive that would supply that proof based upon on the field performance. What I would like to see is if they go 4-5 or worse, if all of you SEC backers will at least admit that there are some pretty good teams in the other BCS conferences, or are you going to do what I have seen in most of these posts, offer up excuses for why they lost games.volstrike3 said:
posted on December 12, 2006 11:07 AM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
Zac,
I watched the game. GA outscored WV 35-10 over the final 3 quarters. I am not a guy that believes in moral victories but it is hard to listen to WVA fans say they thrashed Georgia because that is not what happened. They jumped on them early and were extremely lucky to hold on. Honestly, I am tired about talking about Big East football, it is irrelevant.
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 12, 2006 11:28 AM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
elmarubtc,
Sorry if I was unclear about SEC teams playing at least 4 ranked teams. I was referring to them playing eachother.
Two games you did not mention vs. ranked teams (at the time) were GA vs. Ga Tech and S Carolina vs. Clemson.
If the SEC goes 4-5 in the bowl games, I will not be making any excuses for them. I really like our match ups (except Clemson vs. Kentucky) and think we will do quite well.
Your right, it is very early to say one conference is the best this year but I believe year in a year out, the SEC is the toughest conference.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 12, 2006 12:24 PM — 216.46.209.143 — link — abuse?
Vandy vs.
Michigan L 7-27 diff 20 points
Alabama L 10-13 diff 3 points
Arkansas L 19-21 diff 2 points
Mississippi L 10-17 diff 7 points
Georgia W 24-22 diff 2 points
S.Carolina L 13-31 diff 18 points
Florida L 19-25 diff 6 points
Kentucky L 26-38 diff 12 points
Tennessee L 10-39 diff 29 pointsMost people recognize the SEC,as the best conference,and will tell you that defense is their strong point,yet Michigan,was the only team to hold Vandy,to less than ten points.
Also only one team (Tennessee) beat Vandy by more points than Michigan.
So please tell me that Michigan,or Ohio State, would have more losses,if they played SEC,football or any other team for that matter.
gatorstud said:
posted on December 12, 2006 1:05 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
look guys....i have been watching all these posts about which conf. is the best......this argument was started in the mid 90's when phillip fulmer and steve spurrier were constantly battling each other for sec championships (i still say that you can't spell citus bowl without UT) and national titles....they had an interview together and they both said that the sec was the toughest conference to get out of without a loss....and in the 90's...it was...you had
Florida
Tennessee
Auburn
Alabama
Georgia
Lsu
they all were fighting for conf. championships and national titles throughout the 90's. i honestly do belive that this is still the case....top to bottom...the toughest conference to go through to get to the nat. champ. gamenow if you want to put conferences up against one another then go right ahead.....but, until they start playing each other regularly....this is just a he said...she said argument
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on December 12, 2006 2:53 PM — 68.48.90.67 — link — abuse?
volstrike3,
It doesn't matter if WVU was outscored 101 to 2 through the last 3 quarters. The fact is we beat the SEC Champ. As far as luck goes..... Georgia is lucky that we didn't run up 42 points in the 1st quarter. I hate hearing people talk about luck and what if's! As far as Tennessee Football goes...... it's been a "NON-FACTOR" since 1998, with the exception of a decent year in 2001. That my friend is a fact!
gatorhippy said:
posted on December 12, 2006 3:08 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Diggsy (#191):
That is exactly why nobody outside of the BE has any respect for it...
Here we are at the end of the 2006 season and your still talking about how great the 'Eers were in their 2005 Sugar Bowl win...
WVU will still be talking about that until their next one loss season, which should probably be about 2011 if their historical trend continues...
Jeremy said:
posted on December 12, 2006 4:02 PM — 65.82.138.66 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy
Last year was supposed to be the down year if you want to go on history but history has changed since the Don Nehlen era, that is something you need to come to grips with. This is not the program that took a 3 star RB recruit from NJ and played the smashmouth style till they got a quaterback that could throw then win games.
This team is loaded with talent from top to bottom so don't look for a down year for a while.Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on December 12, 2006 4:39 PM — 68.48.90.67 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy,
If you'd take the time to read post #186 before you start runnin your yap, then you'd see that volstrike3 brought it up in the first place. Yes, Yes I will talk about the victory over Georgia. You expect me to believe that you wouldn't talk about a great victory for Florida? Get real man! The fact is Florida will get beat up on by Ohio St., then I'll be talking about that one also for years to come.
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 12, 2006 5:31 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
Diggs,
I was tired of this subject but you need a reality check. I hardly think UT has been great in the past few years but they have still been a lot better than WVA will ever be.
Highest winning percentage since 1998
# 9 University of Tennessee 74-26
# 32 Tied University of West Virginia 58-38
UT was 10-3 and in the SEC championship game in 2004. If that is a "NON FACTOR", then West Virginia has never been a factor. Enjoy your short run of success, you won't stay there after white and slayton are gone. I don't think UT is great this year but they will end the season at 10-3 with the only losses coming in conference to three top 10 teams. WVU lost two games in the freaking big east... That is enough to end the conversation.
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 12, 2006 5:41 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
M Go Blue,
Let's save this argument for after the bowl season. I could care less how much someone beat Vandy by. Vandy is not the measuring stick of major college football. We will know everything we need to know after FLA/OSU, ARK/WISC and UT/PENN STATE.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 12, 2006 7:16 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
GatorHippy:
Just got done simulating how good the teams are on my kids playstation over the weekend. Some interesting results. I'm always USC of course - so it was USC 41 Ohio State 6 playing against the computer. My next test was to see if Florida could beat Ohio State - so I took Florida and my seven year old son took Ohio State. This time it was Florida 24 Ohio State 0. So, this pretty much confirms that Ohio State is overrated. I'm gonna try USC vs Michigan next weekend. So, it's lookin' pretty good for our guys against the Big 10 this year.
Tommie T
PopsMich said:
posted on December 12, 2006 7:41 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Tommie, all that proves is that you can beat a computer and that you can whip your boy.
Arrange a game between USC and UCLA and for giggles see who wins.
Until the RB, you'll have settled nothing. Skip the "try" of USC and UM and go outside. Don't make me turn this into another Opera :)
I can wait until Jan 1 (barely).
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 12, 2006 8:03 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC:
Heck man, if the Army had had co-ed bootcamp, I'd be a drill sargent today. Instead of raisin' so much hell and be article 15nd over and over, I would have been startchin' my fatigues and polishin' my brass, doin' anything I could to change my mos over to that.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 12, 2006 8:46 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Diggs:
You gotta get ahold of yourself here. Tennessee is rated about #10 of all-time. This is a program that year in and year out is gonna be there. The Mounties have a couple of pretty good players that have made them real decent in the last couple of years - but, West Virginia isn't even in the same league as Tennessee is. Maybe they'll get to there - but it isn't happening today. Tennessee recruits Top Ten classes just by being Tennessee. That is what happens. Kids grow up and they're goin' to Tennessee no matter what. That is a hard deal to compete with. You have a number of programs like that all over the country - and Tennessee is one of them. It's great that West Virginia is busting into the Top Ten. But, remember this - over the last one hundred years Tennessee has probably ended up in the Top Ten sixty different times.
Tommie T
CW said:
posted on December 12, 2006 9:48 PM — 66.226.45.182 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC,
No… I was a FO in the Artillery... no women in Army combat arms MOS's. However, we had Marines in "our" Basic & Artillery AIT. They seemed rather run of mill. Good soldiers as long as you explain everything to them. Perhaps in US Army Non-combat Mos's the Marine Corps has an edge but if it requires more thinking?? Not just charging a beach or sitting on top of an Embassy or being "stuck" in close quarters with 10,000 other men on a ship.... then you send the Army. I know ... many of us in Basic & then in Regular Army units constantly shook our heads and wondered about that ASVAB score the Marines are supposed to have?? Where did they all go?? Because even the high tech computer components needed in some Combat Mos's are trained by the Army? Especially Armor / Artillery / Helicopters… My cousin who just retired from Army SF had at first served in Marine Recon. He agreed also that the Army was by far more intelligent & better apt for combat especially in SF. So where did the brain part of the USMC go???
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 12, 2006 11:38 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
CW,
... yawn...
You would have to go through Marine Corps basic training all over again if you wanted to cross-over... I could step right into the Army with a extra stripe and higher billet, probably.
Like I said the USMC is lean-n-mean, I dont doubt that the Army gets the fancy stuff, sh!t the USMC even outsources their medical personel.
... so non-infantry Army does have Co-ed Basic ?! ... I also heard that Army Recruits get Weekends off during Bootcamp is that true ???! Ha-larious.
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 13, 2006 12:14 AM — 71.155.151.189 — link — abuse?
Tommy T,
I wish just being Tennessee would have been good enough to land Patrick Turner. When USC can take a kid out of Nashville, you know they are recruiting well. That one really surprised/impressed me. I would have liked to have him matched up with Ainge and Meacham next year. Our loss and your gain.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on December 13, 2006 1:55 AM — 68.48.90.67 — link — abuse?
Tommie T,
As I said in my post, Tennessee has been a non-factor since pretty much 1998. So I don't know where your argument for Tenn. fits in here. You see Tommie? I never said anything about Tenn and their past.... I was simply stating that since the last year of Peyton Manning, they've been a non-factor.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 13, 2006 9:17 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Diggs:
How do you figure "non-factor". They are definately a Top 15 team every year. Just because your not exactly in the Top 5 does not make you a "non-factor". They are a factor in the outcome of the SEC every single year. Doesn't mean their gonna win it - but they are a factor. They put the wood to a very good California team. They came within one point of knockin' off Florida. I still don't understand the term "non-factor". They are a 9-3 team. That is a good team. It's not too different than being 10-2.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 13, 2006 11:54 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
volstrike3:
It's not very often that USC can get a kid out of the south. They go after about ten each year and seem to come away with one. It's real tough to take a kid out of the south. But, every once in awhile there exists a kid who wants to go to LA and play. Probably grew up watchin' Magic Johnson and "showtime" and all that stuff. Fact is though, if the kid will become a star, he will get tremendous exposure in Los Angeles. Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, LenDale White and Dwayne Jarrett have all benefited from that exposure. I sure hope we can get a couple more this year. I know we got one - huge OG from Florida I think. There are several other that the Trojans would indeed like to have.
Tommie T
gatorhippy said:
posted on December 13, 2006 3:51 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Diggsy (#194):
No need to point it out, I read that post as well...
As for talking up big wins, I haven't seen a single Gator on this sight raise a peep about the SEC champ game and that was less than three weeks ago and arguably the biggest win in 5 years for UF...
And as for getting real, well, here is the reality...
Any program in the country would like the honor of getting "beat up on" in the BCS Champ game rather than winning any other bowl...
Keep mashing your grapes on your way to Jacksonville...
You just might have some whine...er...wine when you get there...
gatorstud said:
posted on December 13, 2006 4:22 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
hey gatorhippy...as much as i like your posts...i honestly believe that the biggest win in the last five years was two years ago when we beat fsa @ tallahassee on the same night they dedicated the field to bobby bowden....i though we would get pasted that night....what an awesome game.......
Zac said:
posted on December 13, 2006 5:05 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy: I don't see OSU beating up FL; I see OSU winning, but I don't see your gators being beaten up. It really should be a tough hard-fought game.
Diggs: Why are you banging your head against this wall who calls himself volstrik3? You can't say enough about the Vols to please him, and talking about WVU won't do it either. Besides, the poor guy's tired of the argument; he doesn't want to talk Big East. What he's doing in a B.E. blog, I don't know. But, hey, everybody's welcome.
Tommy T: I have no argument with TN's history and consistency. But let's face it; history is history. If we're smart, we learn from it and move on. WVU finally got smart when they offered Don Nehlan the 1st multi-year contract in school history. Not even Bobby Bowden got more than a one year contract out of WVU. I’m almost surprised they actually learned how to keep a coach. They don’t have to match a bigger bucks offer, they just got to get close. Coach Rod has learned a great deal regarding recruiting, over all team management, how to play the system, and (of course) offense. Now, if only he could just learn that old adage, "It's the offense that gets you there; it's the Defense that wins championships...”
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on December 13, 2006 6:56 PM — 68.48.90.67 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, you said......
"Any program in the country would like the honor of getting "beat up on" in the BCS Champ game rather than winning any other bowl..."
Yeah boy!! Just try to sell that one to Oklahoma players and "FANS". You know?.... the 2005 Orange Bowl vs. USC...... 55 to 19. I don't know anyone who would honor that!!!!So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 13, 2006 7:17 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
- 2006 All-Americans -
Fanblogs.com, list your All-American Teams, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, Honorable Mention (if you got em)... so far I have...
- QUARTERBACKS
1st Team - Troy Smith, Ohio St
2nd - Colt Brennen, Hawai'i
3rd - Brady Quinn, Notre D
HM - John Beck, BYU... JaMarcus Russell, LSU- RUNNINGBACKS
1st - Steve Slaton, WestVU
1st - Darren McFadden, Arkansas
2nd - Ian Johnson, Boise State
2nd - Raymell Rice, Rutgers
3rd - Marshaun Lynch, Cal Berkeley
3rd - Mike Hart, Michigan
HM - PJ Hill, Wiscy... Garrett Wolfe, No Ill- TIGHT ENDS
1st - Jonnie Harline, BYU
2nd - Chase Coffman, Mizzu
3rd - Travis Beckun, Wisconsin
HM - Matt Speath, Minnesota- WIDE RECIEVERS
1st - DeSean Jackson, Cal Berkeley
1st - Dwayne Jarrett, USC
2nd - Cal Johnson, GTech
2nd - Jeff Samardzija, Notre D
3rd - Rhema McKnight, Notre D
3rd - Jarrett Dillard, Rice
HM - Meachem, Tennessee... Steve Smith, USCO-Line and the rest, YTBD...
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 13, 2006 8:24 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
2006 All-Americans - adding to my AA list...
- ALL-PURPOSE
1st Tm - Ted Ginn Jr, Ohio St (WR/KR/PR)
2nd - Keenen Burton, Kentucky (WR/KR)
3rd - John Higgins, UTEP (WR/KR/PR)COACH of the YEAR: Bobby Petrino, Louie
ASSISTANT COACH of the YEAR: DeWayne Walker, UCLA (D-Coord)Mooka said:
posted on December 13, 2006 8:26 PM — 68.107.102.29 — link — abuse?
QBs
1) Brady Quinn
2) Troy Smith
3) Colt Brenen
4) JaMarcus RussellRBs
1) McFadden
2) Hart
3) Rice
4) SlatonTEs
1) Don't know, don't careWRs
1) Dwayne Jarret
2) Dwayne Bowe
3) Cal Johnson
4) Manningham
5) Gonzalez
6) Smith
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 14, 2006 12:55 AM — 71.155.151.189 — link — abuse?
diggs,
UT won the national title in 1998 AFTER Peyton Manning left. My point was since 1998, they may have been a non factor in your book but only 8 teams have won more games than they have as opposed to 31 other teams that have won more games than WV. Again, I am tired of talking about it. No response is necessary.
CW said:
posted on December 14, 2006 9:35 AM — 66.226.45.182 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC
Ah!! Never heard of a weekend off?? But it wouldn't surprise me in the non-combat wimpy type mos's. However I was a 91A Combat Medic also. Trained in TX and with us were Navy / Marines ... seems that once again the Marine Corps lacked the skill to train... we did it for them. Once again that ASVAB thing made no sense?? Where did the smart ones go? As far as lean and mean... I hope so! Since the US Army is behind the proper training of USMC DI's. Your basic is one week longer than Army Combat Mos's. As far as US Army transferring to USMC... there is no problem for specific Mos's. The US Army doesn't have a universal basic ... it's different depending on the job their training for. Or as the Army would say - Why waste two weeks of intense hand to hand and another week of intense AIT (Advance Infantry Training) for a group becoming X-Ray Tech's? I don't want to demeanor the USMC ... I have many Marine friends and I respect all vets. However, the difference in the two is in regards to specialization. If you want a person to charge a beach regardless of cost?? Find a Marine. If you want to defeat the armies of the opposing country with strategy, skill, and Special OP's you have to have the Army with is Airborne, Rangers, Beret's, backed by Artillery, Armor, and Infantry. You can’t win a war by guarding an Embassy? But you Marines help out by clearing us a beach head or isolating combatants in specific locations. If you think joining the Army Rangers / Airborne etc. would involve giving you an extra stripe… ah!! Not happening. But many of the lesser mos’s? Yes. Have you thought about becoming a US Army X-Ray tech?
Jeremy said:
posted on December 14, 2006 10:39 AM — 65.82.138.66 — link — abuse?
QB's
1.Troy Smith, Ohio State
2.Brady Quinn, Notre Dame
3.Kevin Kolb, Houston
HM.Colt Brenen, HawaiiRB's
1.Darren Mcfadden, Arkansas
1.Mike Hart, Michigan
2.Steve Slaton, WVU
2.Ray Rice,Rutgers
3.Marshawn Lynch, Cal
3.Garret Wolfe, Northern Ill.
HM. Ahmad Bradshaw, Marshall Ian Johnson, Boise St
TE.
1.Jonny Harline, BYU
2.Travis Beckum, Wisconsin
3.Darius Hill, Ball State
HM.Chase CoffmanWR.
1.Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech
1.Dewayne Jarrett, USC
2.Jarrett Dillard, Rice
2.Jeff Samardzija, Notre Dame
3.Devon Bess, Hawaii
3.Mario Manningham, Michigan
HM. DeSean Jackson, Cal Mario Urrutia LouisvillePlayer of the year
Troy Smith, Ohio StateOffensive Player of the year
Troy Smith, Ohio StateDefensive Player of the year
Dan Connor, Penn StateQB of the year
Troy Smith, Ohio StateRB of the Year
Darren Mcfadden, ArkansasWR of the year
Calvin Johnson, Georgia TechLineman of the year
Dan Mozes, WVULB of the year
Dan ConnorDB of the year
Daymeion Hughs, CalKicker Of the year
Art CarmodyPunter of the year
Durant Brooks, Gergia TechCoach of the year
Greg Shiano, RutgersFreshman of the year
Colt McCoy, TexasThis is based on what I saw this year
Go Moutaineers
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 14, 2006 2:15 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
CW,
- Fallujah needs its ass kicked... "find a Marine", youre right about that CW.
The Marine Corps is somewhere around 50% Infantry... Army is what 16%, 20% ??? (I dont know exactly). Army, thanks for the Tech Support.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on December 14, 2006 7:22 PM — 68.48.90.67 — link — abuse?
volstike3,
If your done talking about? Then I guess the truth hurts! Remeber this..... we are talking about a school like Tenn. that has so much "so called" history, tradition, and greatness... which has pretty much been in a down hill landslide the past few years. Then.... we are also talking about a WVU school... that is "so called" losers, has no tradition, and only losers go there. The funny thing is.... that WVU's stock is "WAY" up the past few years, and Tennessee's is "WAY down!!!! Congratulations. Now, I'm done talking about it.Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 14, 2006 7:49 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Great day for Trojan fans:
A historical 1st happened today as USC got a commitment from the nations #1 center in Kristofer O'Dowd (6'4 1/2" 314) from Arizona. He will join the nations #1 OG in James Wilson (6'4 1/2" 307) from Florida and the nations #5 OT in Martin Coleman (6'5 1/2" 290) from California. Never has USC landed three offensive linemen that rated amongst the Top 57 players from the whole country before. OG Kevin Bryant (6'6 380) from Florida - may yet still sign. Frightening!
The only times that I can remember even two highly rated OL being recruited at the same time were Anthony Munoz and Brad Budde (way back in the 70's) and Don Mosebar and Bruce Matthews in the early 80's. This class could possibly land three different all-american players on the offensive line. ALL HAIL!
Tommie T
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 14, 2006 8:52 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
diggs,
Enjoy your moment in the sun, it will not last long. WVA is like the rest of the slightly better than average schools like K State, Colorado, Washington, etc. You will have a pretty good team for a year or two and then drop back into a string of slightly better than .500 seasons. I think when White and Slayton leave, you will get back to your usual 4-6 loss seasons. During our "downhill slide" since 1998, there are only 8 teams that have won more games than we have. NRN.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on December 15, 2006 3:10 PM — 68.48.90.67 — link — abuse?
volstrike3,
I guess you didn't see the "Freshman" Jarrett Brown QB'ing in the Rutgers game then did you? That's right Freshman, as far as RB's are.....well we might not have some guys "YET" that are quite as fast.....but they're damn close. You see volstrike3...... it's the offensive system that we have here at WVU that makes us so dangerous, not just players themselves. (ALL THE RESPECT IN THE WORLD GOES OUT TO STEVE AND PAT WITH THAT SAID). Those guys are still special with "ANY" system.gatorhippy said:
posted on December 15, 2006 3:19 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Diggsy (#212 & 213):
Huh, so your saying that WVU wouldn't rather be playing in the BCS Champ than the Gator bowl...
Gee, it seems just yesterday how you were predicting a WVU trip to the very game it seems you'd like me to believe that ypour team isn't interested in...
Of course WVU couldn't even win their conference this year...
So much for predictions...
As for the Okie fans...
How bout we poll a little sound-off for that...
OKLAHOMA FANS:
TAKE YOUR PICK FROM THE BELOW...
A) Receive a beating by USC in the BCS Title game
OR
B) Win the Gator Bowl
Answer Accordingly...
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 15, 2006 3:29 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
Right, its the system. A good DC will figure out your high school offense.
R ROD is 39-22 at WVU.
18-19 pre Slayton/White
21-3 with Slayton/WhiteI hope next year you can not choke against unranked teams so we can see you in a big bowl game.
Jeremy said:
posted on December 15, 2006 5:02 PM — 65.82.138.66 — link — abuse?
Volstrike3
Let me see how I can say this sso you can understand it (I don't have crayons sorry)
Rich Rodriguez has won everywhere he has been
Lets start with an undefeated season at Tulane as OC with Shawn King THROWING the ball- did you see that THROWING the ball.
At Clemson as OC he had the number 1 offense in the country with Woody Dantzler at QB and turned Clemson around look at what has happened to Clemson since he has left.Now at WVU he has the number a top five offense with White and Slaton
There was somthing I noticed about RR the first season he was at WVU he really knows how to win with the talent he has wether it be passing or unning he adjust well to the weapons he puts on the field. So you can talk all you want about WVU losing players and this and that but in the end RR knows how to coach with what he puts on the field.
Zac said:
posted on December 15, 2006 7:13 PM — 65.31.228.13 — link — abuse?
gatorstud: I don't care if there are a million GI Joe blogs out there. Without these guys, you no blog. Let em be!!!
goodolnuma5: That's college football.
Diggs - volstrike3: Peace already. You're both making me tired. By the way, volkstike3, have you ever been to Sieverville; i.e. Frost Cutlery, or Smoky Mt. Knifeworks. Now, those places are cool!!!
Tommy T: Congrats on the recruiting coup. Looks like quite set of building blocks for an even stronger future.
VOLPIMP said:
posted on December 15, 2006 9:58 PM — 208.0.27.10 — link — abuse?
Diggs, first things first, when WVU cracks the top 20 in all time wins you can argue about downhill slides and the like. UT since 98 has still outperformed WVU with our "downhill slide" you keep mentioning. I have given WVU props all year long, Slaton and White are two of the best I've seen, and the Mountaineers are a good football team. I know you don't want to hear UT history but we've been playing and winning football games for a pretty long time. I think the reference to the UGA game last year started this whole discussion, and my thoughts on that are this, WVU did dominate the Dawgs, sure UGA came back and made it a closer score, but the Neers ran them out of the stadium. How UT came into this escapes logic, don't hate on the Vols just because Volstrike saw the WVU/UGA game in a different light than you did. Any college fan will tell you WVU and UT aren't even in the same universe when it comes to the two programs history. Don't jump on a soapbox because you've had two good years, when the Neers get to number 3 in alltime bowl wins, or tied with Texas for the 2 spot in all time bowl appearances then you can hype all you want. I have a ton of respect for your team, but to call a team that has gone 83-29 including this year since 98 a non factor is a bit silly.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on December 15, 2006 10:09 PM — 68.48.90.67 — link — abuse?
Hey "EVERYONE ON THIS POST", just wait and see what continues to happen with WVU and Rutgers Programs. I'm going to be the 1st to make predictions, my prediction being..... you guys know the WVU and Rutgers programs of old right? Well, from now on count on WVU and Rutgers being premier programs from here on out. The word is out boys...... and it's only going to continue to get better from this point forward. With coaches like RICH ROD and GREG SCHIANO at the helm..... only good things "CAN" happen. You know it, and we (WVU and RUTGERS FANS)know it.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 15, 2006 10:57 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Diggs:
Your being way too overzealous and I'm gonna have to help you out here. You know I'm a stat man - so I'm gonna just give you some information. You need to figure out what it means.
Top Ranked Programs for Recruiting 2007:
1. Texas (23) 3.78 stars
2. L.S.U. (19) 3.58 stars
6. U.S.C. (11) 4.18 stars
7. Notre Dame (14) 3.79 stars
14. Colorado (29) 2.83 stars
24. Washington (21) 2.52 stars
25. West Virginia (24) 2.67 stars
28. Mississippi St. (33) 2.58
38. Syracuse (19) 2.58
42. Baylor (26) 2.54
45. Minnesota (20) 2.65
47. Kentucky (21) 2.33
48. Rutgers (16) 2.63
50. Louisville (10) 2.90 starsNow, out of the Top 50 teams - I could only find six that averaged less (stars per player) than West Virginia's current recruiting class. I've included Colorado, plus some of these other teams, to show you what company your in. Diggs, 2.67 is extremely low BTW. Rutgers is even worse and Louisville is not much better. West Virginia is not getting the type of quality athletes that the other programs are getting. Steve Slaton and Pat White were both regarded as 3-star athletes out of high school. So, good players can come from that range. But, when a whole recruiting class is rated lower than 3.00 - then your program is gonna take a hit. It's just a matter of time. And, all of the Top Program recruit very well each and every year.
I've also watched the West Virginia and Georgia game. My opinion was that Georgia ran out of time. They had West Virginia on the ropes in that 4th quarter. It was a great win over a great BCS program - but it's only one. I noticed that for some reason, they did give all the BE schools, the creampuff Bowl games this year. They are trying to help you out - but you guys have got to start recruiting better than this.Tommie T
T-Mac said:
posted on December 15, 2006 11:23 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
VOLPIMP, #237. Great post bro. Well said. The 3 games mentioned were Air Force, Alabama, and Kentucky right? They were close games, but last time I checked Tennessee won all 3 of those games. Diggs, VOLPIMP is right on this bro. Don't hate. Congratulate. You kept your Coach there and that's a good thing. You should be excited about that. Props bro.
Bowls-Top 3 TeamsAlabama
Texas
TennesseeDiggs, I'm not hatin on WVA, but where do they rank here? Honestly, I don't know. I'm not being a smarta$$. You comparing WVA to Tenn is kinda like comparing a 5 year old brother to a 10 year old brother. No comparison. I don't mean to come off sounding harsh either. WVA kind of reminds me of the Northwestern program a few years back when they had Barnett. They had a few good years, some great players, got to a couple bowl games and then just fell back off the map. Diggs, I'll leave you with this man. If YOU are a Supa Upa Recruit comin outta High School than where would YOU go play ball? A storied program like Tennessee with one of the best Coaches in CFB with a rich and deep history or do you go to upstart West Virginia??? Diggs, keep 1 thing in mind too. Neyland can pack in 106,000. I've played there bro. It's off the chain. What do ya think?
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on December 16, 2006 1:04 AM — 68.48.90.67 — link — abuse?
Tommie Trojan,
I quit reading your post after I heard the dumbest shit in the world come from any college football fans mouth. "My opinion was that Georgia ran out of time." Last time I checked there were 60 minutes of regulation. No more, and no less. So I am forever finished with ever even attempting to read any more of your posts because that was simply stupid as fuck! (I still can't believe you said that Mr. Statistician).
Now with that said, you guys are simply proving my points for me..... ya know?.... about WVU's football program doing great with recruits that are not nearly as highly touted as some of the other recruits that big name schools get? Thanks.T-MAC,
No disrespect to ya at all....but again, your second paragraph in post #240 proves my point that is....... "we have a great program with less than always stellar recruits". We must know how to develop football players once they get here in Mo-Town. To me there is just no other explanation?
Good Luck T-MAC!The Mayor said:
posted on December 16, 2006 2:55 AM — 67.174.192.148 — link — abuse?
Volstrike:
"Enjoy your moment in the sun, it will not last long."
No truer words have been spoken.
USC, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Texas, Michigan, Penn State, Miami, FSU, Florida...they all have had their bad seasons. The programs that you mention had a few good seasons and then fell by the way side (like my Ducks)...I don't see Rutgers, WVU, Boise State and Wake Forest in the Top 15 over the next 5 years.
The Mayor said:
posted on December 16, 2006 3:02 AM — 67.174.192.148 — link — abuse?
Tommie Trojans obseesion with recruiting stats is all too painful for schools like mine that just can't compete year after year.
We may find a diamond in the rough now and then. Depth is the key. A Team like Oregon loses a few good players and the season is toast unless the AD stumbles over a bag of lucky charms.
Still with more than half of the college fotball teams going to bowl games it makes for great entertainment.
Talking smack is such a waste of breath because eventually your day will come and you will get your ass whipped by the most unlikely of foes. Enjoy the game for what it is...a bunch of college students working their asses off, risking injury and trying to get their college degrees.
You want to talk smack, become an NFL Fan.
Tomcat said:
posted on December 16, 2006 3:18 AM — 69.153.81.120 — link — abuse?
Hey T-Mac,Diggs,Vol Pimp Look the game is played on the feild, until WV vs Tenn is played on the feild all we have, thanks to guys like Tommie T are stats and predictions. Tommie brings up some valid points. Example Baylor Bears when looking at the recruitments Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M,Texas Tech, Nebraska, Oklahoma State.
These schools all recruit heavily in Texas and schools like Baylor just dont get as many of the top recruits as the big schools do.They still put together a good program and are competitive against the big schools.The Bears go 4-8 or 5-7 against some feirce competition. Teams like TCU for Example, recruit the same part of the country against the same big schools and go 11-1 or 10-2.
The difference is in the conference competition.
TCU has competed in C-USA, WAC and now Mt West.
If Baylor was in the Big East they would probably be 10-2 or whatever.Rutgers got its first win ever against a ranked team.Teams in the Big XII play ranked competition just about every week.
Diggs I'm happy for yall and yalls sucess in the Big East. How would you like instead of Syracuse and U Conn teams like Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Nebraska, TCU, Washington St,Oklahoma St and Colorado. Thats who Baylor played
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 16, 2006 10:05 AM — 216.46.209.105 — link — abuse?
Hey Tommie,me and my brother have a dynasty on EA NCAA 07,and since he had to be Michigan,I have to be Michigan State,and I play USC,every year because I think the Trojans,and the Spartans,should be a rivalry game.
It seems only fitting that the Trojans,and the Spartans,should be rivals. What do you think?
Zac said:
posted on December 16, 2006 12:45 PM — 65.31.228.13 — link — abuse?
Diggs, gatorhippy, Jeremy, Mayor, T-Mac, Tomcat, Tommy T, Volpimp, volstrike3, and the rest of ye bloomin, bloggin, college football lovers, from out your mouths I hear the winds of change. It says "Play-Offs, Play-Offs, Plaaaaay-Awwwwwfs..."
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 16, 2006 4:01 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Fanblogs.com,
K-Hue and fanblog contributers alike, I submit this as the unofficial-Official All American team...
_________________________________________________
2006 Fanblogs.com All-American Team
_________________________________________________QUARTERBACKS
1st - Troy Smith, Ohio St
2nd - Colt Brennen, Hawai'i
3rd - Brady Quinn, Notre D
HM - John Beck, BYU and JaMarcus Russell, LSURUNNINGBACKS
1st - Steve Slaton, WVU
1st - Darren McFadden, Arkansas
2nd - Ian Johnson, Boise St (24 TDs)
2nd - Raymell Rice, Rutgers
3rd - PJ Hill, Wisconsin
3rd - Mike Hart, Michigan
HM - Marshaun Lynch, Cal
HM - Garret Wolfe, No Ill (179 AP-Yds)WIDE RECIEVERS
1st - Dwayne Jarrett, USC
1st - Jeff Samardzija, Notre D
2nd - Rhema McKnight, Notre D
2nd - Calvin Johnson, GTech
3rd - Jarrett Dillard, Rice (20 TDs)
3rd - Rob Meachem, Tenny
HM - Steve Smith, USC
HM - Keenan Burton, Kentucky (150 AP-Yds)TIGHTENDS
1st - John Harline, BYU (11 TDs)
2nd - Chase Coffman, Mizzu (8 TDs)
3rd - Travis Beckum, Wisconsin (821 Rec-Yds)
HM - Matt Speath, MinnesotaOFFENSIVE LINEMEN
See AP All-American OLsALL-PURPOSE RUNNERS
1st - DeSean Jackson, Cal (13 TDs, 4 on PRs)
2nd - Ted Ginn Jr, Ohio St (KR and PR)
3rd - Jonathan Stewart, Oregon (11 TDs, 29.4 Yds/KR)
HM - Sammie Strougher, Oregon St (3 TDs on PRs)
DEFENSIVE ENDS
1st - LaMarr Woodley, Michigan
1st - Justin Hickman, UCLA
2nd - Bruce Davis, UCLA (5 Forced Fumbles)
2nd - Calais Campbell, Miami
3rd - Gaines Adams, Clemson
3rd - Anthony Spencer, Purdue (5 Dflx, 1 Blk K)
HM - Mkristo Bruce, Washington St
HM - Quentin Moses, GeorigaDEFENSIVE TACKLES
See AP All American DTsLINEBACKERS
1st - James Laurinitis, Ohio St (5 INTs)
1st - Paul Posluszny, Penn St
1st - HB Blades, Pitts (7 Dflx, 2 Blk Ks)
2nd - Dan Connor, Penn St
2nd - Ameer Ismail, Western Michigan (17 Sacks!)
2nd - Patrick Willis, O'lay Miss (7 Dflx)
3rd - Dave Harris, Michigan
3rd - Ruffus Alexander, Oklahoma
3rd - Brandon Siler, Florida
HM - Buster Davis, FSU
HM - Vince Hill, VTech
HM - Desmon Bishop, CalCORNERBACKS
1st - Daymeion Hughes, Cal
1st - Aaron Rose, Texas
2nd - Ryan Smith, Florida
2nd - Brandon Flowers, VTech (3 Sacks)
3rd - Leon Hall, Michigan
3rd - Aqib Talib, Kansas (22 Dflx)
HM - Dwight Lowery, San Jose St (9 INTs)
HM - Chevis Jackson, LSUSAFETIES
1st - Reggie Nelson, Florida (2 Blk Ks)
1st - Micheal Griffin, Texas (4 FFs, 2 Blk Ks)
2nd - LaRon Landry, LSU
2nd - Tra Battle, Georgia
3rd - Sabby Piscitelli, Oregon St (10 Dflx)
3rd - Eric Weddle, Utah
HM - Tommy "Z", Notre D
HM - Eric Wicks, West VU (7 Sacks)
Coach of the Year: Bret Bielema, Wiconsin
Asst Coach of the Year: DeWayne Walker, UCLASo Cal USMC said:
posted on December 16, 2006 4:26 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
2006 Fanblog.com All American Team (continued)... its not just about Stats or Reputation...The criteria involved in the selection process...
- Production (stats; yards, TDs, etc)
- Impact (how much they actually help their team)
- Talent (physical atributes)
Boiling it down to an all-encompassing question to ask yourself about the player, "how much do you want this guy as your team-mate?"
PUNTERS & KICKERS
see AP All American Punters and KickersDiggs the Mountie said:
posted on December 16, 2006 8:21 PM — 68.48.90.67 — link — abuse?
T-MAC,
I see the a close game here...... the reason being our weak secondary and GT's Calvin Johnson.I hope that Rich Rod is really emphasizing on our secondary in practice. As for our offense..... I think that GT's LB's are of course going to key on Slaton and White. With that said, I think that we may just do pretty good opening up the passing game a little more than usual. When we do that, it will allow more holes for Slaton and White to explode through. I also think our Defense will do good against their run offense, and I think that this will probably be decided late in the 4th.
Overall I still see us winning by a touchdown.
Final score 35 to 28.
How do you see it T-MAC?
T-Mac said:
posted on December 16, 2006 9:17 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Diggs, you know that Tech will keep 8 and 9 in the box all game and make WVA throw the ball. That's pretty much a given. Hell, with Slaton you have to. He's ready for the next level. Yes, he is that good. White is a good runner as well. I must admit that I don't know a lot about White though. What kind of passer is he Diggs? With 8/9 man fronts he'll have to go up top in this game. Is he accurate under pressure? I haven't seen him much. I think you can expect to see the Tech defense blitz a lot until they get burned. I will say that I think that White's arm is the deciding factor in this game. White get's the passing game going then you know Slaton will bust a few here and there. Should be a hell of a game! Outty 5000 T-Mac
Jeremy said:
posted on December 16, 2006 9:36 PM — 71.251.244.223 — link — abuse?
White has a cannon for a arm , He is accurate and can lay the pass in perfect on the fades and deep routes, as far as good under pressue if he feels the pressure he most of the time runs with it. so really don't know how he does with guys hanging on him. if he can get the ball out quick it will be a great offensive game for the Moutaineers.
Look at stats from the Pitt game (first half was really the only time I seen WVU have to pass and they were right on target with everything)
Zac said:
posted on December 16, 2006 11:22 PM — 65.31.228.13 — link — abuse?
T-Mac: I know you asked Diggsy, but here are my keys to victory for the Gator Bowl. GA Tech: The Mountaineers have a decent rush defense, though Rice (Rutgers found a way through. 1) Choice is going to have to step it up, make WVU have to account for him. Ball will have to find a way to do some with his feet to help keep the WVU "D" off balance. 2) Johnson & Johnson; aka Calvin & James. WVU will key on Calvin; James will have to step up and find the openings in the zone. Which also means the line needs to give Ball time to throw. If given the time, he'll find Calvin all day. 3) Stop Slaton; stop White. That means devoting a fast spy on each, loading up the box and maintaining contain. BUT, Tech can't just load up the box; they have to pressure White. Get at least one guy in his backfield breathing down his neck, and he might just slip up like he did against ECU & S FL.
WVU: 1) Slaton & White, White & Slaton, but knowing their targets, play action fake to Slaton; use him as a decoy early on. Tech will load the box; therefore, White must make them pause/respect the run - fake it to Slaton, turn and hit the tight end, or Schmidt or Slaton out of the back field. White also has solid targets in Myles, Jallho, Bolden, Gonzalez, & Reynaud. White can't afford to get impatient, but when it's not there, don't sell the run until just the right time; tough against Tech's "D". 2) When in Rome do as the Romans; shut down the run and pressure Ball; make him do it with his feet (dangerous), not with his arm. If Ball has a good day throwing, it's over. 3) Johnson & Johnson; ditch the zone & put your best guys on these two, but respect the tight end, not to mention Choice out of the backfield.
Both teams are going to have to be solid on special teams, especially punting, punt returns, and Field Goals (I give the edge to WVU there; McAfee has been outstanding.) Turn-overs could likely determine the outcome, but penalties could just as easily do the same. Bottom line: The team that controls the line of scrimmage and makes the fewest mistakes comes out on top. I see WVU winning in regulation by 6. Tough game!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 18, 2006 2:33 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
M GO BLUE:
You know - I've often thought about that Michigan State thing. I've wondered why they haven't promoted the pageantry like Southern Cal has (you know Traveler V, Tommie Trojan, songs like Conquest, All Hail and Fight On). If they had all of those things in place it would be a really cool spectacle. They should have been some kinda rivals or at least made an attempt at playing each other at some point. It almost happened in the Rose Bowl way back in 66' when those Michigan State teams were so great (with Bubba Smith and Cornell Webster on defense). Wasn't Tom Mack also on those teams? Yeh, the Spartans should develope some kinda pageantry.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 18, 2006 2:37 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
The Mayor:
What are you talkin' smack for? The Ducks are rollin' up a great recruiting year. There loadin' up on a whole bunch more highly rated "Big Beef" to stick on both lines. What do you mean - you can't compete. With all the great facilities and pretty uni's - Oregon can compete with anyone. In fact the class is so good at Oregon this year - that it will ensure that Oregon stays in the Top Three of the PAC for the next four years.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 18, 2006 7:50 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Diggs:
It's no secret that Rodriguez gets the absolute most out of his talent. That is what makes him a great coach. As for the Georgia game - I stand by my remark. The Mounties open up fast against all teams. It takes every team at least a quarter or two to even begin to get a handle on the speed of Slaton and White. Georgia got down big - and was clawing their way back went the horn sounded. I did not say they would have won the game. I'm saying that Georgia almost caught up and that the game certainly was not a "blow out". West Virginia did win the game.
And now, I will predict, that West Virginia will hammer Georgia Tech. I don't care what anybody on here thinks about that. West Virginia will get out to a lead - and Reggie Ball will never be able to bring Tech back. It will be a much more rousing vistory than the one over Georgia. Truth is: I can't get Georgia Tech into my Top 30 and I don't consider that they are a very good team. West Virginia rolls em' up.Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 18, 2006 8:55 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Combining the Billingsley and CFBDatawarehouse models - we can get an idea of who the Top Programs are of all-time.
1.) Notre Dame 2.) Alabama 3.) Michigan 4.) U.S.C. 5.) Tie - Texas and Ohio State 7.) Oklahoma 8.) Nebraska 9.) Tennessee 10.) L.S.U. 11.) Georgia 12.) Penn State 13.) Georgia Tech 14.) Miami (Fla.) 15.) Tie - Florida State, Auburn and Minnesota 18.) Texas A&M 19.) Tie - Washington and Pittsburgh 21.) Florida 22.) Tie - U.C.L.A., Arkansas and Illinois 25.) Michigan State 26.) Stanford 27.) Tie - Wisconsin and California 29.) Iowa 30.) Mississippi 31.) Army 32.) Purdue 33.) Syracuse 34.) Colorado 35.) Clemson 36.) North Carolina 37.) Tie - Missouri and T.C.U. 39.) Tie - Navy and Baylor
These are the elite Top 40 programs of all-time. This represents the Top 3rd of all Division 1A schools. This should make IrishJT proud. Hey, but how bout both Army and Navy making this list?
Tommie T
Zac said:
posted on December 18, 2006 10:12 PM — 65.31.228.13 — link — abuse?
Mayor: BYU/OR should be one of the best games to watch. I won't like; I picked BYU in an upset; guess we'll see. Win or loose, it's still one of the better match-ups.
Tommy T: While there were a few teams on your list to surprise me, I'm not all that surprised. This list, after all, is for all time, not recently. Army was in its hey days in the 40's, 50's, and 60's. They even had some good teams doted throughout the 70's. In fact, there was a time Army had it all over Navy. Navy has only recently caught up, and that took about 30 years. My only question is, upon what is your list based, number of wins, win/loss %, number of National Championships, post season record, number of weeks/months/years nationally ranked, a combination thereof, or something else. Just curious. Thanks!!!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 18, 2006 10:47 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Zac:
It appears as if the lists make some form of effort to calculate: wins, winning pct., Bowl victories and appearances and National Championships (maybe even conference championships). I don't know how they come through with the ratings, although some of the criteria I mentioned is there, I just figure it's probably in the ballpark. I just averaged the two rating services and came up with the list. I don't think there is a tremendous difference between any of the Top 8 IMHO.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 18, 2006 10:55 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
My final picks for the Bowl games:
Southern Mississippi 24 Ohio U. 20
Cincinnati 24 Western Michigan 16
Tennessee 24 Penn State 19
Auburn 24 Nebraska 21
West Virginia 30 Georgia Tech 20
Arkansas 24 Wisconsin 23
L.S.U. 31 Notre Dame 19
Louisville 30 Wake Forest 17
Oklahoma 26 Boise State 24
U.S.C. 24 Michigan 20
Ohio State 27 Florida 19I could not find a way to pick the upset of Ohio State. I just can't see it happening. I do think that if USC plays error free ball - that they will beat Michigan in a close one. Arkansas/Wisconsin and Oklahoma/Boise State are gonna be a couple of great games also. I'll be stunned if Nebraska can get by Auburn.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 18, 2006 11:16 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Mayor:
They really have to find a way to keep Jonathan Stewart healthy. I think that kills them more than anything. You've got to be able to grind up that clock and that's the guy to do it with. He just seems to have had too many nagging injuries. Maybe he gets healthy next year and bulldozes for about 1,800 yards and 20 scores. That would surely help. I like the big receiver Jaison Williams. The linemen are immense. Maybe next year is the year. BEAT BYU! Do it for DUCK PRIDE!
Tommie T
The Mayor said:
posted on December 19, 2006 12:19 AM — 72.254.44.179 — link — abuse?
Zac,
Smart move, BYU is favored though, so it's not an upset. My favorite match up is OU/BSU...I don't know why but I think the Blue is going to be out in force and Boise State feels they have something to prove. I think OU feels the Fiesta is second tier, even though it's BCS and their hearts won't be in it.
Truly I wish OU would not have gotten hosed at Eugene. Interesting to consider the OSU/FLA/OU dilemna.
Ducks at 6-6, Arizona might be in Las Vegas, deservedly so and the Ducks would be at home with something to think about...and I would save a ton of coin. I can't believe I am going to Las Vegas 4 days before Christmas, what the hell am I thinking????
The Mayor said:
posted on December 19, 2006 12:24 AM — 72.254.44.179 — link — abuse?
Tommie,
The coaches have taught Stewart to just go down and not fight for those extra yards that cause those goofy injuries.
The only way to keep him healthy through the season? Put him up in the stands with me. Then he would just have to protect his liver.
Not sure where the Ducks stand on offense, it's the 2nd year of the new system and it still seems like everyone is comfortable except inside the 20. Then we get very conservative and come away with a 3 or a 0. We out gained everyone except for UA this year, still all we have to show for it is 7-5 with one controversial win away from 6-6.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 19, 2006 12:22 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
The Mayor:
Better to die a slow death on the field, rather than risk sitting in the stands and becoming a die hard Duck fan, I suppose. Your negativity would eventually encompass him - and he would be doomed to a life of waiting endlessly on the Ducks. The spirits would spill in and he would be doomed like some of the rest of us. Stewart should have went to USC when he had the chance. Now, according to you, he's just Duck soup.
Tommie T
CW said:
posted on December 19, 2006 1:52 PM — 66.226.45.182 — link — abuse?
Tommy Trojan,
This year I’m actually being conservative. This has been the most overrated season that the BCS has posted. Especially USC... the BCS babies them soo much! Somehow as Holts stated on ESPN... USC "amazingly" gets a flower bowl home field game in an attempt to give the Pac something of a football "victory." It's all about $! Then, however ND is sent into the jaws of LSU! It's not even funny! Although I'm a SEC fan... I hope the best for ND. Looking at last years trojans - the quarterback in the NFL is a complete disgrace.. once again wayyyyyy! Overrated. This bowl season will be a huge reality check! It want matter anyway... the BCS will continue to make up fictitious power houses & thus fictitious top "20" teams & we in the SEC yawn & NFL draft picks continue to pound Pac players into oblivion. Anyway, Tommy you & your BCS flower power buddies have fun in never never land. Oh yes… you can keep your fresca or Fresno ? “bottle” here in the south it’s a jug of lightning.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 19, 2006 4:10 PM — 216.46.210.184 — link — abuse?
FLORIDA 37 OHIO STATE 17!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOO YOU ARE DREEEEEEEEAAAAAAAMING! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!I'm sorry,I guess I should'nt scream like that.
Mr. CW,my advice is buy a few remotes for your tv,because you are going to throw your remote at the tv every time smith,gets the snap and you have to watch Ginn,Ganzalez,and hartline spread Florida's defense so thin you can see through it.
And on to USC vs. Meeeeechigon 34-9! whoooooo that's great!
I have a feeling that o'l Pete, is going to see that Ohio State,passed all over Michigan's,defense and he will do the same,also I don't think USC will be able to stop Michigan offense,so I think you'll see both teams hit at least 35 points!But USC,had trouble with UCLA's d-ends,of which Michigan has THE BEST PERIOD! So we'll have to see if JDB is any better at dealing with serious pressure.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 19, 2006 5:33 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
CW:
Sure am glad your goin' conservative on some of these lousy teams like Ohio State and USC. Man, for a minute there, I thought you had us all being "blown out" or something.
BTW: Ohio State 27 Florida 19 and USC 24 Michigan 20. Sorry, I can't be as "conservative" as you have been. Well, at least the BCS gave USC the "creampuff" game in Michigan. I suppose that was just to "make it easy" for us. Geez, as much as you think Florida is gonna "whup up" on Ohio State - I wonder why they didn't just "give" that game to USC. It's a darn shame that they were gonna "make us" beat UCLA to get there. I can't figure out why they just didn't "fix" the game - so that USC could have an even "easier" game against Ohio State. Seems to me like they may have sugar-coated it for Florida. Whatcha think, CW? Oh, don't bother.Tommie T
elmarubtc said:
posted on December 19, 2006 5:59 PM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
M GO BLUE- Please tell me that you are not the same M GO BLUE AKA Brian Cook. Brian Cook is responsible for posting one of the most blatantly incorrect blogs in recent history when he misread an article and stated incorrectly as fact that Brady Quinn had called Reggie Bush to complain about Bush’s Heisman’s ballot. http://usc-football.aolsportsblog.com/2006/12/11/brady-quinn-will-call-your-ass-if-you-voted-for-someone-else/. Cook then waited for 4 days after he was informed of his error to half-heartedly correct himself. Now I see that he is trying to make light of it in a new posting.
http://www.aolsportsblog.com/2006/12/18/times-man-of-the-year-an-obscure-oklahoma-defensive-end/. The new post might have been funny if Brian Cook was just a sarcastic and obviously biased commentator, that we are all used to, but Cook is merely an uninformed boob, and that is unforgivable. He is also quite the coward as you will see that his continued unwarranted shots at Brady Quinn are never posted under Notre Dame on AOL’s NCAA Football Fan House, instead he posts them under USC or Oklahoma football. I guess Brian wants to avoid the Notre Dame crowd because they are actually literate, and can easily expose his idiotic rants.Anyway M GO BLUE you seem like a nice, sincere, and knowledgeable fellow, so please tell me that you are not Brian Cook, or at least tell me that there really is a Santa Claus.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 19, 2006 6:10 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Oregon's gotta watch BYU's QB/TE combanation... one of the best in the country.
BYU is solid. They'd beat a whole lot of teams right about now. I woulda liked to see 10-2 BYU vs someone like 10-2 VTech (and their tough D)... and maybe Oregon vs Rutgers.
PopsMich said:
posted on December 19, 2006 7:47 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Let the games begin....and the mystery unfold.
Prediction No. 1: TCU 31 NIU 24
I hope I'm wrong, but have to go with the favorite here.
This game MAY tell us a little based on each team's regular season opponents (and their opponent's opponents).
Go MAC!
Zac said:
posted on December 19, 2006 8:48 PM — 65.31.228.13 — link — abuse?
CW & Tommy T: The thing I like about college football is this: You can make your guesses, but in reality, anything can and will happen on any given day, or night. I don't think it's at all out of the question: FL beating OSU, that is. I think it's going to be tough and close. I picked OSU to win by 6, but I could see FL pulling off another of their patented 1 pt. victories. (By the way, Tommy T., you know you stole my LSU/ND score.)
Mayor: Thanks for the heads up, and apologies to BYU fandom. For some reason I didn't pay too much attention to the cougars this year; I didn't know they'd won 10 games. I knew they had 2 early close losses to 2 good teams (AS & BC), and I remember the upset against TCU. As for the rest, my loss. That having been said, I still got a good feeling about the Ducks.
As for MI/USC, I like MI because of their "D", the experience factor, and their hunger to prove they should be playing OSU. USC may still be smartting from UCLA having knocked them out of the NC. (I'm still sticking with Boisie St over OU.)
CW said:
posted on December 19, 2006 9:24 PM — 66.226.45.182 — link — abuse?
Tommie T,
Now you're learning Boy'O! First we (SEC) have to teach y’all left and right or for you Pac flowers ... hay foot & straw foot. Just sit back and enjoy a bowl season that the BCS couldn't completely fix. Our only real concern is Arkansas, which still hasn't developed as an SEC power house. Tommie... how do I say this?? USC (west) was a power house back in what the 1920's?? Back when they rivaled ... Navy? & Harvard? To be a legitimate team you are going to have to play several teams from a real conference and stop being babied by the flower bowl & its "rainbow colors." My advice is not to feel down about the reality of your situation but remain positive. However, for now… just rest back on your wrist and lean on your thumb and watch with amazement as SEC teams pound teams into oblivion. Good luck! And, please don’t cry… be a real man.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 19, 2006 11:15 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Well, looks like ol' Garrett Wolfe and Northern Illinois got rolled up as hard as possible against TCU. Last I looked, it was 37-7 with TCU outgaining them 442 to 58, with N. Illinois with -21 rushing. Pathetic! That's what happens when terrible teams finally play a good team. And, I don't buy into this crap that your anywhere near good just because you have a winning record. That team should have never made it to a bowl game. And, if Mr. Wolfe had had to run against any good defenses, he certainly would not have gained 1900 yards. He had 25 in 20 carries against TCU. Get outta town! And, I hope we don't have to suffer any debate next year that this guy should get a Heisman or something stupid.
Tommie T
Gatorpilot said:
posted on December 20, 2006 2:20 AM — 71.42.27.135 — link — abuse?
Agree, Tommy Trojan. That was a travesty.
There just aren't enough games to prove the few "mid-major" D-IA conference teams who THINK they are halfway decent actually are. We need to cut down on this sort of stuff. That game was a snoozefest.
Don't we have something like 32 bowls now? It's out of hand.
PopsMich said:
posted on December 20, 2006 6:26 AM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
TT: NIU got their doors blown off. It was men vs boys.
Do you think this belongs as a piece of the conf vs conf puzzle? Looking at their respective opponents (and opponent's opponents) may say something.
I don't see much of the Mount. West (BYU, TCU), but their speed simply overwhelmed NIU - a team that lost 2 Big 10 games, but the scores were closer.
On paper, this would drop the Big 10 a slight notch, and elevates the Big 12/Pac 10 slightly in my book.
We'll see what Thurs night's BYU/Oregon game shows us.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 20, 2006 9:18 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
GatorPilot:
Yeh, too many bowl games. But, I know for a fact (using a little PAC bias here), that neither Arizona (6-6), Washington State (6-6) or Washington (5-7) - would have gotten beaten anywhere near what Northern Illinois suffered. In fact: any of those three might have beaten TCU. Of course, there are several other good teams from other BCS conferences that did not receive a bowl invite. Heck, I'm sure that a (4-8) Vanderbilt would have put on a better show. No, this pathetic Bowl wanted Garrett Wolfe and they got him - COMPLETELY STUFFED! They could have taken a better team.
PopsMich:
Yep, the Northern Illinois wipeout does seem to diminish the Big 10's wins over this team. The computers will sort it all out - but humans never will. Actually, TCU is a very good team. So is BYU and Hawaii. There are some decent teams come out of the MWC and WAC. They are much superior to MAC teams. Now, some are real dogs - but every year there are a couple that can play with the bigs. Why Alabama is not after this coach from TCU is beyond me. On some of my previous posts I've exclaimed - "All the guy does is win games". But, sadly, I've heard that he isn't a big PR guy. Only does X's and O's very well. Well, these days that doesn't mean you get the job I guess.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 20, 2006 11:01 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
CW:
Southern California is 16-10-1 against the SEC since 1920. That is "after they used to be good". So, what does that say about the SEC, if a lousy USC team after 1920, still sports a winning record against the SEC? Oh, never mind!
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 20, 2006 12:08 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
CW:
Yeh, I was lookin' over what a lousy team USC really has been lately. I noticed that from 1966 on: USC was only 12-8-1 against current SEC teams, while only outscoring them 22.7-16.1 per game. But, the good news is that USC has proved, that the SEC is the strongest conference. Because over the same period of time: USC is 19-7-2 against the BIG 12 while outscoring those teams by 24.7-16.7 per game and is 42-15-1 against the BIG 10 while outscoring them by 26.1-14.3 points per game. Man, all that while being a lousy team. Gee, wonder what it might have been like if USC really was a good team?
CW, maybe you ought to go back out to the barnyard and tend to them sheep. That seems like something you might be better suited to than tryin' to figure out what a good college football team is. Hey, and while your at it: nail one for me!Tommie T
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 20, 2006 3:13 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Tommy T,
TCU versus Northern Ill, 31-7
... ya kinda had to see that coming. No Ill was one of the least deserving teams that was selected for a Bowl.TCU held 'em to Minus 20 Rushing Yds!!!
A quality Rush-D just about always kills a good/decent Rushing offense when its a one-dimensional... Im sure LaMarr Woodley and those dudes know this too (1.9 yds/rush-D). And Im sure Lloyd Carr knows about USC's depleated backfield; No Brandon Hancock, no Ryan Powdrell, no Havili, no Moody, no Chauncey Washington?... how many Rush Yds do you think USC will gain?
David Booty really has to be on his game. Its gonna be interesting.Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 20, 2006 3:23 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC:
Yeh, I had the game at 28-16 TCU. It was way more dominant than I could have conceived.
Now, the question of USC. I'm sure we're gonna get some kinda fullback on the field for this one. Stanley Havili should be back and Thomas Williams will have gotten alot more reps. We'll be doin' some blocking in this one. I understand that Moody will be ready, and he'll add more speed, and that Washington should be able to play. I doubt if we'll be able to slam it up the middle on Branch - but, we should be able to keep them more honest than UCLA was. I think Booty can pick that defensive backfield apart, but we will need to have a fullback in the backfield, who can pick up the defensive end or blitz - or slip out of the backfield as the safety valve. Nobody ever talks about how much USC really missed David Kirtman. That guy was a stud.Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 20, 2006 3:33 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
GatorHippy:
I'm stunned and amazed. I'm flabbergasted. I have never seen an SEC'er do their homework and actually be correct. You are the Grand Prize Winner. Never has an SEC'er spoken the truth about any head-to-head competition between USC and an SEC opponent. You have won the BIG PRIZE.
Indeed, USC has never beaten Florida, although they have only met twice. In 1982, an 8-4 Florida team beat USC 17-9, in Florida. In 1983, a 9-2-1 Florida squad tied USC 19-19, in Los Angeles.
Next year could be the year, as I see both Florida and USC pre-ranked in the Top Three, by virtue of their great recruiting over the last three years. Florida will only have the soph QB, so if they get there, the advantage should be USC's. Maybe we can finally even that series with Florida.Tommie T
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 20, 2006 3:34 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Tommy T,
Even without Kirtman, Brandon Hancock woulda been able to stepped right it; hes just as good... but injuries happen. I heard, some time ago, that Hancock might be available for the Bowl game... though I havent heard anything recently (nor do I think he'd be 100% anyway).
And any word about Coleman? Stafon? you got me wondering about them a while ago.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 20, 2006 3:56 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC:
Hancock's injury was so severe that his career is over. He won't bother to file for 6th year senior status, as any more injury to that leg, and he may not walk again. He's okay and will be involved - he just won't be playing football anymore. I don't know what they are doing with Johnson or Coleman. I see them trying to take advantage of Moody's speed in this one, anyway. Michigan just has way too much muscle up front. But, if Moody gets a seam - he's gone to the house. I hope that he's ready. At least that way - USC could give them about three different looks from the backfield.
Tommie T
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 20, 2006 4:09 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Tommy T,
I read that, way back when about FB Hancock (I mentioned it here myself; he had problems with both knees), but Im pretty sure I heard more recently that he recovered better than expected (or something). How long ago was the last you heard of his condition? I'll look into it...
Moody's gotta hang on to that football, he better have worked on that these past few weeks.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 20, 2006 4:33 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC:
I had heard Brandon Hancock interviewing on one of these AM Sports Radio Talk Shows here in LA. It might have been as long ago as two months - but I think it's a little less than that. See what you can know.
Tommie T
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 20, 2006 5:02 PM — 216.46.212.229 — link — abuse?
42-15-1..........OUCH! I bet USC has more talent than the entire big ten conference,or any other conference.
they smoke the SEC.
they really torch the Big Ten........(I know it's just a big lame excuse but most likely 75% of those games were played in L.A.)And to all'ya'll SEC'ers that are going to write and tell me USC was playing Arkansas without a RB........If your team loses ONE guy that should not allow a BLOWOUT AT HOME! Maybe that ONE guy is all they have!
USC had lost two RB's,a QB,and a few other awesome players,and they replaced them and torched Arkansas at Arkansas.USC ROCKS........BUT MICHIGAN ROCKS MORE!
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 20, 2006 5:09 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Brandon Hancock, October 16th -
"... I am currently in my 7th week of rehabilitative training, however I feel as if I'm much further along than that... by testing what I can do and then seeing how my body responds. The trainers occasionally shake their heads disapprovingly, but I feel great and have not experienced any negative setbacks. I tend to believe guidelines are developed on an average basis, however I have never wanted to consider myself an average person... So while standard procedure might call for someone to wait 3 months before trying to jog, because of my rapid strength gain, I discount that timeline... That said, my goal is to be back running full speed long before the "average" 9 month benchmark. FIGHT ON!"
... I hope he recovers to some degree.
And USC just got another verbal commit (Dec. 20th), DE Everson Griffen, an Arizona kid.
PopsMich said:
posted on December 20, 2006 5:25 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
TT: Ran the stats from 1966 (excluding this year) on Stassen, and don't get your numbers, but the same conclusions.
Here are the results:
Conf Gm W L T Avg PF AVG PA
BigEast 1 1 0 24 13
BigWest 3 3 0 51 8
CUSA 1 1 0 26 9
SWC 17 15 2 28.1 11
MWC 5 4 1 31.2 11.8
WAC 12 9 2 1 37.2 21.9
BigTen 49 38 11 27.4 13.5
PAC-10 296 213 76 7 28.3 17.1
BigXII 17 9 6 2 24.1 18.8
SEC 15 8 6 1 22.3 16.1
ACC 5 2 3 18.2 16.4Wait 'til this year :)
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 20, 2006 5:28 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
GatorHippy:
Even more astonishing is how often those teams caught USC in a down year.
1966 Miami 10 USC 7 in Florida - Miami had an (8-2-1) team that year while USC would finish (7-4) losing four of their last five. USC had lost Heisman Trophy winning RB Mike Garrett from 1965 and would not get OJ Simpson until 1967. USC was pounded by Notre Dame 51-0, in one of the worst losses that I can ever remember, before being beaten by Bob Griese and Purdue in the Rose Bowl 14-13. This was another very embarassing loss in a very down year. USC would win the National Championship in 1967.
1968 USC 28 Miami 3 in Los Angeles - A (9-1-1) USC team would beat a (5-5) Miami team. USC would go unbeaten until losing to Ohio State 27-16, in the Rose Bowl, costing them their 2nd straight National Championship. This was a very good USC team that lost to a great Ohio State team.
1982 Florida 17 USC 9 in Florida - John Robinson's last year before his 1st retirement. A Florida team that finished at 8-4 beat a pretty good USC team that would finish up at 8-3 with no Bowl game. In those days, the 2nd place PAC-10 team, was ineligible for participation.
1983 USC 19 Florida 19 in Los Angeles - Ted Tollner's 1st year - and one of the lousy coaches that USC would wade through. But, a (4-6-1) USC team would manage to tie an (9-2-1) Florida team. Probably the highlight of the season.
1997 Florida State 14 USC 7 in Los Angeles - Paul Hackett was the lousy coach responsible for this (6-5) Trojan team. Florida State would finish this season with an 11-1 record.
1998 Florida State 30 USC 10 in Florida - Paul Hackett again at the helm of this mauling. USC would finish up at 8-5 while Florida State would go 11-2.
For the most part, only two of these Trojan teams were any good at all, and certainly not as good as most teams had been. The three Florida schools walked away with a 4-1-1 record over the Trojans during these encounters. The Florida schools that had entered these games were a combined record of 48-15-1, prior to these games, while USC had records of 41-20-1 during those years. Certainly down years by USC standards - while the Florida schools had pretty impressive records.
Even more astonishing is how an SEC'er can get his facts straight and compile statistical data - when it serves the purpose of proping up the SEC or the South in general. When the facts favor USC statistically - nayer' a peep is spoken.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 20, 2006 6:02 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
PopsMich:
I added Penn State to the BIG-10 mix - as they are now part of that conference. I added Arkansas and South Carolina to the SEC - as they are now part of that conference. And, I added Texas Tech, Baylor, Texas A&M and Texas to the BIG-12 - as they are now part of that conference. Those are the discrepancies in the numbers that you are seeing.
Yes, it's possible that Michigan could get that one game back toward the long climb of evenning this up with USC.Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 20, 2006 6:34 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC:
I knew we'd get DE Griffen - best in the nation. Now we're waiting on the kid from Gardena (where I work), he's 4th in the nation, but their gonna plug him in as a DT. Also, Kenny Rowe from Long Beach Poly is another fast movin' DE in the Top Ten. I think we'll end up with all three. Rowe may even end up at OLB - as he's somewhat small yet. This is lookin' like the best class yet. Also, Aaron Corp outplayed everyone (including Jimmy Clausen), during the state championships. He may be the real sleeper here. It looks like we have another tremendous QB on the way in.
Tommie T
Quow said:
posted on December 20, 2006 10:43 PM — 75.117.133.44 — link — abuse?
Hey, I hate to upset all you Michigan fans or whoever you are that is saying Michigan will smoke USC, but the Trojans have not been beaten by nore than 7 points since 1982.....or at least a really long time ago. You Wolverine fans may win, but USC is gonna make you WORK for it.
elmarubtc said:
posted on December 21, 2006 9:19 AM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
Tommie T. - Props to USC for getting Griffen, although there was really little doubt that he would choose the Trojans. The rich keep getting richer, USC, Texas, Florida and ND are dominating this recruiting class. Watch to see where the DE from Chicago, Martez Wilson, decides to go. Wilson is generally considered to be the #2 DE behind Griffen (although ESPN/Scouts, Inc. has Wilson as the #1 DE prospect). He is supposed to announce today. Scout.com lists his choices as between Illinois, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, USC, & Wisconsin. It is also interesting how the three major recruiting groups, rivals,com, scout.com and Scouts, Inc. can vary so greatly on the same recruit. For example, Griffen is ranked as the #1 DE by both rivals,com & scout.com and they have him ranked in the Top 6 of all recruits in the country. However, the Scouts, Inc./ESPN 150 have Griffen ranked as the #12 DE and the #107 recruit in the country. These guys are all supposed to be experts, but like in everything else regional and personal opinions have an effect on these rankings. That is why you can not rely on just one of the three major recruiting groups to get a feel for what is going on out there, but instead have to look at all three to get a consensus viewpoint. In any case there is no doubt that USC and Texas are raking in the cream of the 2007 recruiting crop. I think that has a lot to do with these kids watching USC/Texas in the 2006 National Championship game. I wonder if Florida and Ohio State will be able to do the same with the 2008 recruiting class.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 21, 2006 9:26 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
GatorHippy:
No, I wasn't saying that USC was at a disadvantage really. Compared to most other programs around the country - all those records would have looked real good. But, the fact is, that the only team that was on top of their game was Florida State. USC's overall record was a "little down" and so were Miami's and Florida's. All have fielded much better teams. Florida State put two really good teams on the field for those games and USC put one (their only win).
Tommie T
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 21, 2006 10:14 AM — 216.46.212.75 — link — abuse?
Quow,of course USC,will make Michigan,work for it!
USC is downright Awesome,except for a couple games,it's going to be a great game!And even though I love talk'in smack,I respect USC,and it really would'nt suprise me if they win!
GO BLUE!
Zac said:
posted on December 21, 2006 4:33 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
elmarubtc: That "rich keep getting richer" crack, I was thinking the same thing. Congrats all the same to FL, ND, TX, and your USC, Tommy T.
gatorhippy/Tommy T: The year FL beat USC, wasn't that the same year the Sporting News was the only mag to rank FL #1? Everybody (but them) thought they were crazy until FL won their 1st two games; one against USC. Wasn't the other against OK? Refresh this aging memory for me.
M Go Blue/Quow: You guys are talking like I see it: tough, close game decided by 1-2 pts; maybe goes to OT. MI gets the edge.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 21, 2006 4:39 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Diggs:
How can you not possibly win all five? They could not have given the BE five bigger mismatches. Come on? Look at this stuff: Kansas State vs Rutgers (you're toughest game), Wake Forest vs Louisville (Wake is the weakest BCS winner since it's foundation), Georgia Tech vs West Virginia (Ga. Tech was sorry to begin with - and now half their team is not gonna be there), Western Michigan vs Cincinnati (who or what is W. Michigan?) and East Carolina vs South Florida (again: East Carolina?). Are you kidding me? You didn't have to tell anyone that you thought that the BE would make a clean sweep. Everybody already knew that.
I'm not so sure about my PAC-10 though as we draw some tougher games.
BYU vs Oregon
Hawaii vs Arizona State
Florida State vs UCLA
Texas A&M vs California
Missouri vs Oregon State
Michigan vs USCI have none of the BE opponents in my Top 30 and expect the BE will "blow them all out". I have three of the PAC's opponents in the Top 30 - and we'll be doin' good to go 4-2. We could get all six though - but I really doubt that.
Tommie T
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on December 21, 2006 5:00 PM — 68.48.90.67 — link — abuse?
Tommie T,
BYU wins a close one, extremely close.
Hawaii wins a close one, but Hawaii isn't any good. (you know that, don't even mention Colt Brennan he's one man)
Florida St. has no business even playing in a bowl game this year. (UCLA should pound them)
Texas A&M will be good next year, (not good this year)Cal should dominate the entire game
Mizzou is a decent opponent (I think they win this one)
Michigan is a powerhouse, I think Michigan wins a close one here too.
There's how I see the Pac-10's bowl opponents.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 21, 2006 6:26 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Diggs:
Don't underestimate Hawaii. Have you seen that team? There defense has never been good - but, with the right QB, they can pile up some points. They are the anti-Mountie. Where the Mounties roll it up on the ground - all these guys do is throw. They have a 296 pound fullback! Good Lord, they guy can even run! They have one of the greatest receivers in the game in Bess. Gryce-Mullen is a great one also. They have huge Hawaiin's and Samoan's and Tongan's all over the field. They have more hair than the B52's could have ever imagined. You gotta watch em' play. They are very interesting and will give Arizona State a real hard time.
Tommie T
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 21, 2006 6:56 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
aMiGO BLUE,
USC isnt "awesome"; not this year. Michigan, if theyre smart, will shut-down the Run (easily enough) and press David Booty all day. They may get burned on a big pass-play here and there, but Booty is not gonna beat Michigan. Do as UCLA did... the Michigan offense will have to handle the rest.
Roles will be reversed this year - Michigan will look like USC did in the 2003/04 Rose Bowl.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on December 21, 2006 7:23 PM — 68.48.90.67 — link — abuse?
I'm not a "huge" fan of the PAC 10 or the Mountain West, but this game for some odd reason is appealing to me tonight. Perhaps it's just because it's Bowl Season......I don't really know?I'm telling you I got a Classic feeling about this one. I Hope I'm right.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 21, 2006 7:46 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Diggs:
This will be a very close game. I called it: BYU 30 Oregon 27. The average of six different lines is BYU by 3.58 points.
In my rating system: BYU is -12.10 and Oregon is -16.17 points. That means that BYU wins by 4.07 on a neutral field.
Here's where it gets interesting. BYU plays better than the average to win the game 50% of the time. Oregon plays well enough to win the game 41.6% of the time. Therefore, BYU is likely to win this game 54.2% of the time.
Now against the points: Oregon plays well enough to beat these points 50% of the time and BYU plays well enough to beat these points only 33.3% of the time. Therefore, Oregon has a 58.3% chance of beating the spread.
It all means that it is likely to be BYU winning the game by three points or less. If I had to bet against the line on this one, I'd have to stick with the numbers, and take Oregon.Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 21, 2006 8:04 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
ATLien:
What's that? An illegal alien from Atlanta? I got you pegged as one of "those zipperheads" that I missed. Or, maybe my magazine got stuck at that moment when you decided to crawl down into your house. I was probably out of frags also - or you wouldn't be on here talkin' sheeeit either.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 21, 2006 9:22 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Looks like Mike Bellotti's decision to start Ryan Leaf was pure brilliance. It's either the whole team don't wanna play for him, or quite possibly, The Mayor was right about them Ducks partying too hard in Vegas. Either way, with the Quacks down 17-0, it don't look good. What's that song called? Pretty Las Vegas? How's it go? It aint pretty baby - after the show.....
Tommie T
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 21, 2006 9:52 PM — 76.209.83.226 — link — abuse?
Tommy,
I agree that trying to play both QB's is not working but Oregon's lack of a pass rush and poor tackling is a bigger problem for them. This thing could get ugly if the ducks don't come up with a few stops to start the 3rd quarter.
CW said:
posted on December 21, 2006 10:00 PM — 66.226.45.182 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC, (293 / 299)
Better review your statistics for USC "all time" since 1877! Because Alabama obliterates your stat. Plus since 2002! You Pac flower children really look hard to find something! Anyway - Good try anyway! But please stop making up records!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 22, 2006 12:03 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
What are the chances of Michigan beating the Trojans at the Rose Bowl under these circumstances? The records indicated are the records prior to the game.
Last six Rose Bowl encounters:
1970 USC (9-0-1) 10 Michigan (8-2) 3
1977 USC (10-1) 14 Michigan (10-1) 6
1979 USC (11-1) 17 Michigan (10-1) 10
1989 Michigan (9-1-1) 22 USC (10-1) 14
1990 USC (8-2-1) 17 Michigan (10-1) 10
2004 USC (11-1) 28 Michigan (10-2) 14
2007 USC (10-2) ?? Michigan (11-1) ??USC is 5-1 in the last six Rose Bowls against Michigan while outscoring those teams 16.7-10.8 per game. Those six Michigan teams entered the game with a combined record of 57-8-1 (winning pct. of .866). Or, roughly, 10-1 each season. Either way, those were all very good Michigan teams. USC entered those games with a 59-7-1 (winning pct. of .882). The average game was always very low scoring and I expect that it will be the same this year. I have USC figured to have a 58% chance, this year, of beating Michigan.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 22, 2006 12:45 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
PopsMich:
Oh, I had forgotten that they only used to cheat for USC "in the old days". Now that we have the replay officials - homefield advantage means nothing. Thanx for squarin' me away on that. I bow down. I can clearly see now - that USC stands no chance of beating a one-loss Michigan team.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 22, 2006 1:20 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
C-DOGG:
Actually, I do dig this one song: "Don't wanna meet your daddy - just want you in my caddy". You know it, but no, I was not aware, that they had an album by that title. MY BAD! I still don't like the punk azzez attitude. So what if the PAC-10 sucks? Oregon proved it last night. I don't think they suck as bad as the ACC this year. And, they punk azz claims to be a ramblin' wreck fan. So, that tells me that he's an idiot - and therefore the world don't need him in it.
Tommie T
Cane_Nation said:
posted on December 22, 2006 1:20 PM — 205.166.218.38 — link — abuse?
Tommie T:
ATLien is probably a UGA fan. So don't even argue with him, we should all know that UGA is THE elite football program of all time. They ALWAYS put the best team on the field EVERY year. They're always GONNA beat Florida. And you can't tell them any different, because they've won TWO conf. championships in TWENTY FIVE years.
YJacket said:
posted on December 22, 2006 2:04 PM — 72.152.213.157 — link — abuse?
Tommie Trojan:
post#341What's up man can I call you T-Dog. Stop hating OutKast is one of the best all time rap duos.You are just a little tense because now everybody sees that USC is not that good. Everyone knows that they are should I say on the finess lets not get dirty side. To everyone outside of the Pac-10 that means they are (SOFT!!!!!)
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 22, 2006 2:09 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
PopsMich:
Here are some interesting fact for you. These are USC's record against only Top Opponents from 1960 onwards.
Big East
Pittsburgh 2-1
ACC
Clemson 1-0
Florida State 0-2
Georgia Tech 2-1
Virginia Tech 1-0Combined 4-3
BIG 12
Colorado 4-0
Nebraska 2-0-1
Oklahoma 6-2-1
Texas 2-1
Texas A&M 3-0
Texas Tech 3-0Combined 20-3-2
SEC
Alabama 2-3
Arkansas 4-1
Auburn 2-1
Florida 0-1-1
Georgia 1-0
LSU 1-1
Tennessee 2-0Combined 12-7-1
BIG 10
Iowa 6-1
Michigan 5-1
Ohio State 7-4
Penn State 3-4
Wisconsin 3-0Combined 24-10
So Pops, this means that combined against the very best competition in the land, USC owns a 62-24-3 record against all of these traditional Top 20 teams. That's a .707 winning percentage. Means that Michigan may have less than a 30% chance of beating the Trojans. Try not to get too worked up. It surely looks like USC does "get up" for the Big Games.
Tommie T
clemson1981 said:
posted on December 22, 2006 3:32 PM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
Tommie Trojan post 341:
i do belive you are right, i am a huge ACC man, i support em through thick and thin, and this year was thin, and yes the pac-10 might have been better than the ACC this yer, but just because big names like miami va tech fsu were not all in the running for the crown does not mean the acc is bad. i can understand when teams like wake, and gt, and even clemson all of the sudden are a tthe top and the big boys are at the bottom, but its no different from when carrol took over at usc, you were not that great of a team then you went to the top, so really just because big names are not there at the top never means the conference is bad, unless you are the big east that is.Zac said:
posted on December 22, 2006 4:39 PM — 65.31.228.13 — link — abuse?
Tommy T - #337: Statistically speaking, MI wins one for every six games played against USC. One would think this falls in USC's favor. However, consider the trend you've posted: USC won 3 in a row; MI won the next one; USC won the next three (3:1:3). Based upon that trend, MI wins this one. PopsMich, you've got nothing to worry about.
ATLien said:
posted on December 22, 2006 4:52 PM — 74.224.63.105 — link — abuse?
Cane Nation:
You need to stop worrying about UGA and start worrying about the Sugar Cane Nation because believe it or not your team is # 3 in the state of Florida. Don't post another comment until ya'll beat Florida State or for that matter anybody else in the ACC. The U has no pride fighting with Florida International of all teams.
CommonManCommonSense said:
posted on December 22, 2006 7:17 PM — 72.8.77.189 — link — abuse?
Oregon fans - Your coach is a cry baby. Man I couldn't live with his smug tongue. I read some comments he made before the game that there wasn't a team in Utah that could content with his team or any other team in the PAC-10. After his team getting their asses handed to them (with the feathers removed), he stated that a 38-8 blow-out did nothing to change his opinion. I guess that explains why Oregon sucks! Their coach lives in the same cartoon world as their sorry mascot.
BYU is now 3-3 against the mighty ducklings. Some would say that an even record is competitive. Coach, put on your skirt, get on the plane and as soon as you get back to that rainy, sloppy hole you call home, set up an appointment with your doctor for a head examination. Your players deserve better. Living in a dream world only ends up in nightmares. But as you found out, reality sucks sometimes too!
By the way, the PAC-10 is far superior to the MWC. But once in awhile a MWC team, BYU this year - TCU 2005 - Utah 2004 - BYU 2001 comes up with a competitive bunch that can compete with the middle teams in the PAC-10. Give them the credit they deserve. West coasters can take comfort in the fact that from top to bottom, there is no compairison.
Tomcat said:
posted on December 22, 2006 7:20 PM — 69.153.81.120 — link — abuse?
Hey Tommie T given all the stats and your ideology if you would agree that K-State is the dominate team in the Big XII and Vanderbuilt the dominate team from the SEC. Then its only reasonable to claim that Syracuse is the dominate team of the Big East and that Northwestern is the dominate team in the Big 10. Right?
If this is true, That means that Stanford is the top team of the Pac-10
History lesson aside LSU is gonna whup Notre Dame
Hookem-HornsTomcat said:
posted on December 23, 2006 10:55 AM — 69.153.81.120 — link — abuse?
Hey T-Mac Hows it going.Have you ever tryed argueing with a brick wall? These guys will never change. The game is played on the feild and no matter how objective one claims to be, we know that they have their opinions about certain things and are about as objective as a stubborn goat. You can take stats and change them around to suit you. Read my post #352 Does that make any sense? Kinda funny that guys like Tommie T has Notre Dame as #1 all time and Texas at #5. As far as the most wins its Michigan #1 Texas #2
In fact I believe that Alabama, Nebraska and Oklahoma are all in the top five and there isnt a Pac-10 team in the top ten all time excempt in the bowl winning percentage.
These guys will never aknowledge other great teams accomplishments because it some how takes away from their narrow twisted veiw of things.
Hookem-Horns Go Wolverines Go Gators
Geaux Tigers Gig Em AggiesPopsMich said:
posted on December 23, 2006 11:13 AM — 74.72.68.133 — link — abuse?
TT: Is that what I get for wishing you a Merry x-mas? I'm away from home visiting relatives without my arsenal of info, and you throw a ton of stats at me. tisk, tisk.
Zac, don't mind TT since I'm not worried about anything. See, its like this:
We all know the old joke about the young and old bulls. Well, I'm not not running down the hill to "do" only one. I'm taking my time, watching how the games unfold so I can do 'em all.
So there's time between now and the Rose Bowl. Lets do 'em right, and enjoy the entire holiday season.
Now, TT, do I sound in the least bit worried (and don't throw more history at me, I've lived through all of it).
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 23, 2006 1:45 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Bama has 10 Titles, of which TWO are "questionable", at the very least... and one in particular (1973 Coaches) is almost a JOKE! - Bama Lost, heads-up, versus undefeated Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl. Oh, but the Coaches Poll didnt "count" bowl games... This was 1973, not 1943! The AP named Notre Dame the National Champs, rightfully.
Anyway, atleast those two "questionable" Titles were named by a Premiere Selection Organization, such as the Coaches Poll... I wonder which 3rd-rate Selection Org it is that Bama refers to, to claims the 11th and 12th Titles.
I doubt anyone here would venture a guess.
CW said:
posted on December 23, 2006 1:46 PM — 66.226.45.182 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC,
Hopefully now you see the real dominant conference. The SEC was the best even before USCW was around. Remember also... The Sec would've had many more NCAA championships had the NCAA not tried to manipulate to keep the $ flowing from California / Big Ten. The SEC has shown time after time that a 4 loss SEC team can beat the Pac. How many NFL teams have won the Super bowl with 1,2,3,4 losses?? Several years ago LSU was undefeated and played the so called BCS Title game only to find them tied with USCW! Both LSU & Gateway Computers tried to play a game to end the BCS bias... USCW & NCAA stopped the attempt. We don't forget in the South. Listen, the climate, talent pool and temperament is perfect here for football. The Pac is just too soft... and the NCAA at least rules in your behalf to keep the legendary USCW / Mich rival $ flowing. I know it's hard for y'all to face the truth and I know it must hurt. You’re just too wimpy for the South.
T-Mac said:
posted on December 23, 2006 4:20 PM — 66.78.164.162 — link — abuse?
Alabama has 12 National Titles and so does Notre Dame.
BTW-Now all of a sudden the SEC gets "Babied" by the media??? What is that about? Explain.
So Cal, do YOU know Andre from Outkast personally?? I'm curious. You are calling him out on here calling him a "Poser".
Tomcat said:
posted on December 23, 2006 5:05 PM — 69.153.81.120 — link — abuse?
Hey So-Cal, Tommie T, T-Mac everybody here Merry Christmas
NCAA Div I-A All-Time List
1. Michigan 860 wins .746 pct
2. Notre Dame 821 wins .745 pct
3.Texas 809 wins .715 pct
4.Nebraska 803 wins .705 pct.
5.Ohio State 786 wins .713 pct.
Oklahoma 767 wins .714 pct.
All Time
Bowl Victories
#1 Alabama 30 wins
2. USC 28 wins
3.Tennessee 24
Oklahoma 24
Penn State 24
Texas 22
Georgia 22
Georgia Tech 22
Nebraska 22
Mississippi 19
All Time Bowl winning percentage
1. Penn State .658
2. Ga Tech .647
3. USC .636
4. Oklahoma .628
5. Mississippi .613
6. Alabama .594
7. Georgia .573
8. Tenn .533
9. Nebraska .512
10. Texas .511
Longest Home winning streaks 1960 on
58 Miami 85-94 ended Wash 38-20
57 Alabama 63-82 ended So Miss 38-29
47 Nebraska 91-98 ended Texas 20-16
42 Texas 68-76 ended Houston 30-0Longest winning steaks excluding 1890 thru 1920
1.47 Oklahoma 53-57 lost to Notre Dame
5. 35 Toledo 69-71 lost to Tampa
6. 34 USC 03-05 lost to Texas
6. 34 Miami 00-02 lost to Ohio State
9. 31 Oklahoma 48-50 lost to Kentucky
12. 30 Texas 68-70 lost to Notre DameHookem-Horns Merry Christmas Adios
CW said:
posted on December 23, 2006 5:07 PM — 66.226.45.182 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC,
Actually if you visit the SEC tradition site not only has Alabama won 12 NCAA "modern" championships but also 5 previous "unoffical" in the 1800's making a total of 17. But once again So Cal... it doesn't stop there... when you also place the other SEC teams into the mix such as Auburn (both as the Tigers & older name "War Eagles" the titles are too numerous to count. Many of those titles occured while your pac boys where holding hands with flowers in their hair. Listen... it's pointless to promote USCW or any other west coast team. Just let the BCS keep the $ flowing and propping up Pac dreams.The Mayor said:
posted on December 23, 2006 10:21 PM — 68.3.162.112 — link — abuse?
CommonManCommonSense
I too was disappointed in Coach Belotti's yapping and the lack of focus by the players...
Belotti's not a whiner though. He's the most successful active coach in the Pac 10.
The new offense and offensive coordinator just is not thrilling me. We have two great running backs, yet we still go east and west on our plays.
I really wish we would have missed the Bowl Season, would have been a life lesson for my cocky team.
Cougars are awesome...
Zac said:
posted on December 23, 2006 11:54 PM — 65.31.228.13 — link — abuse?
Tulsa/Utah: Decent game to watch. Baseball score at the end of the half; Utah wins it in the 3rd qtr, seals it in the 4th. Lots of good "D", and some nifty "O" by Utah in the 2nd half. Tulsa went down swinging. Congrats to the Utes.
And to everyone, Merry Christmas; blessings to all throughout the Holiday Season, throughout the coming New Year, and the many New Years to come.
CommonManCommonSense said:
posted on December 24, 2006 1:46 AM — 72.8.77.189 — link — abuse?
Mayor:
I am glad to hear this is unusual behavior for Belotti. For several years I have been impressed by the rise in Oregon football. Because I am not a resident of Oregon and specifically Eugene, I am not as aware of his abilities as you may be. Unfortunately, those of us living in different areas know only what we see when he is in high profile situations. For everyone outside of Oregon, we only see his arrogance and untimely statements.
By the way, despite my poor remarks about Oregon in a previous post, it is truly one of the most beautiful places on earth. Too bad all the beauty has to come from so much rain, but the summers are great.
I hope the Oregon program continues to shine on the national scene. I just think Belotti's comments drive us further from justice in CF. If it is the goal of the BCS schools to keep the little man down, we will continue to see lousy OOC games, and a watered down regular season with all focus on one game at the end of the year.
I am not a fan of any one team, but rather a fan of CF. Let's get rid of the undefeated or nothing mentality and implement great inter-conference and inter-sectional match-ups that will make every week of the season fun to watch followed by a playoff.
As for the Ducks and Cougars. BYU was simply better this year. 8 out of 10 years Oregon will win due to better recruting bases in the PAC-10. This year BYU finishes 3 or maybe 4 in the PAC-10.
PopsMich said:
posted on December 24, 2006 8:40 AM — 74.72.68.133 — link — abuse?
Trojan:
Here's a tune for you "That don't impress me much......"Zac: Not the least bit worried, but thanks for the boost.
Now, I'm visiting relatives and away from my usual content, so I won't verify or dispute anything in TT's looonnnggg list of stats. I will say "There are lies, damn lies and Statistics"
Looking forward to slowly unwrapping the bowl gift leading up to USC/Michigan. At present, we've both taken a paper cut (NIU and Oregon).
Merry Christmas TT!....and to all fanbloggers.
darga said:
posted on December 25, 2006 12:26 AM — 24.210.197.18 — link — abuse?
First i would like to say that iam a huge michigan fan and florida fan i have been all my life growing up. Even though everyone says michigan got hosed, that would have meant florida got hosed also because both teams do deserve to play in the big game. I have watched both teams all year around i have to say michigan is the better team but florida played a tougher schedule based on wins. but anyhow Florida can beat Ohio State because florida i a very quick team, this will be the fastest team osu will play all year. but florida is going to have to shut down smith which believe me its hard to do michigan defense is in the top three defenses this year and look what they did to Michigan. another thing i would also like to add to everyone saying the game against the osu and um game wasnt as close as the score showed is wrong if crable wouldnt have hit smith out of bounds we would have shut them down and got the ball back only down by four with 5 minutes left. and um only scored ten points off of turnovers. but anyhow florida will have to play a perfect game with no turnovers at all to win this game because osu offense will come to play.
Michigan will beat usc they are far the better team michigan will rush booty all day long and sack him about 5 or 6 times this game and hart and henne will have a wonderful game.
my scores are
UM over USC 28-10
Oklahoma over boise 35-31
LSU over ND 52-14
Wisc over Ark 34-28
Florida over OSU 45-42
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 26, 2006 10:45 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Tomcat:
What's up with Rice? I thought we both agreed that they should have beaten Troy? What was the melt down on that one? Well, that's one Bowl game that I missed. That might cost me two tickets to the Sugar Bowl next year. Dayum Rice!
Tommie T
Mooka said:
posted on December 26, 2006 12:59 PM — 138.163.0.44 — link — abuse?
What's everybody's pick for the Bowls?
Mich Vs. USC? Mich by 3
ND Vs. LSU? LSU by 10
Louisville Vs. Wake Forrest? Lou by 14
Oklahoma Vs. Boise St.? Boise St. in a big upset by 7.Ohio St. Vs. FLA? FLA by 7
Any other interesting match-ups you're watching out for Tomcat? Anybody?
Mooka said:
posted on December 26, 2006 1:15 PM — 138.163.0.43 — link — abuse?
Darga,
I like your picks except I think USC's offense is a little better than 10 points in the Rose Bowl. I'd probably give the edge to Ark over Wiscy too.
Tommie T, Mayor, any Pac-10er,
Care to place any wagers to get your integrity back that you've lost this year by betting an SEC fan? How's this for a flat bet...SEC will fair better in their bowl games than the PAC-10 will, even though there are more SEC teams in bigger bowls. What's on the line you ask? If I'm right you both have to join on the SEC argument versus SOCAL and convince him along with us that the SEC is better than PAC. IF I lose, I'll just have to agree that the PAC can compete with SEC. Don't worry I'll understand if you don't want to take the bet.So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 26, 2006 3:07 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Jarred,
USC was named the National Champs in 2002 by atleast three Selection Orgs (NONE of which were the AP or Coaches/BCS... thats was the 11-2 team, btw... is USC supposed to ~count~ that as "a National Championship is a National Championship" ???!
Jarred, Alabama counting 12 is silliness.
Zac said:
posted on December 26, 2006 4:48 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
Tommy T: I too picked Rice. Admittedly, it was more a sentimental pick than one backed by research. It was just too cool to see Rice in a bowl game after 45 years. Ya just gotta root for em. Seriously though, I watched the game. Troy deserved the win, but the score did not at all reflect how hard those kids from Rice were playing. They had 5 T.O.'s, an on-sides kick that went right through the hands of one of their players, a TD called back right at the end of the half for a senseless penalty. So many things that could have gone right went wrong, yet they kept at it. After 45 years of no post season play, this 1st year coach gets them believing in themselves and brings them to a bowl. Next year, they win it, baby. (That is, unless Bama realizes what this guy did with what he had & steals him away.)
IrishJT said:
posted on December 26, 2006 5:37 PM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Jarred
Come on, man! Twelve NTs is a HUGE stretch, and every Alabama fan knows it. I live 2 hours from Tuscaloosa and have never heard a 'Bama fan successfully defend 4 of those 12 NTs, to include 1973. Notre Dame has had a share of 22 National Titles, but it counts 11 because they were unanimous or AP/UPI or didn't occur until after 1936 when the AP began. Notre Dame has more AP National Titles than any other university (Oklahoma is second). The titles you have "received" courtesy of a computer program 20-40 years after the games were played is ludicrous.Only Alabama would count such national title...where earning something is no longer a value! Well, you've earned whatever coaching woes you have now. I hope the AD...the old drunk that he is...can't find even a High School coach the Tide. Maybe professional coaches have realize that the fans there are about as full of sh*t as the university is when it comes to national titles.
Also, I hear a lot of Alabama fans talk about Notre Dame and how the "rivalry" between the two is 'heated.' Well, I've been a Notre Dame fan my entire life and I had to move to Alabama 2 years ago to discover this so-called "rivalry." We've whooped ya' 4 out of 5 times. That's not a rivalry. That's an assbeating 80% of the time.
War Eagle! Go Irish!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 26, 2006 8:25 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
All-Time Bowl Teams:
Contrived from the Billingsley Model where "Delta Points" are accrued for wins, margin of victory, Big Bowl Victories and winning percentage. Listed is rank, team, record, points for and against and delta points per game.
The Great Eight:
1. Oklahoma (24-14-1) 22.1-16.4 (5.67)
2. U.S.C. (28-16) 21.6-16.7 (4.91)
3. Penn State (24-12-2) 20.7-15.9 (4.76)
4. Michigan (18-19) 23.4-19.2 (4.19)
5. Alabama (30-20-3) 21.0-16.8 (4.15)
6. Florida State (19-13-2) 23.8-20.8 (2.97)
7. Nebraska (22-21) 24.0-21.2 (2.79)
8. Georgia Tech (22-12) 22.1-19.5 (2.56)A Disappointing Six:
1. West Virginia (10-15) 20.0-27.0 (-7.04)
2. Notre Dame (13-14) 20.8-23.3 (-2.56)
3. Texas (22-21-2) 19.6-21.6 (-2.04)
4. Arkansas (11-20-3) 15.8-17.4 (-1.62)
5. Ohio State (18-19) 20.6-21.1 (-0.49)
6. Florida (15-18) 21.0-21.4 (-0.45)I am surprised that some of these teams fair this poorly historically in Bowl games.
Tommie T
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 26, 2006 8:45 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Jarred, dopey, read that again...
"USC was named the National Champs in 2002 by atleast three Selection Orgs (NONE of which were the AP or Coaches/BCS)" ... AP or Coaches, ie, legit.... Should USC "count" 2002 as a National Title year because some other Selection Org named them that??? Cause see, thats what mis-guided Bama fans try to do with some of those 3rd-Rated Ntl Title selections.
And again, thats ON TOP OF Alabama having Two (out of 10) of the most questionable Actual Titles (1973 and 1964). So its that much more shameless that some Bama fans continue the charade of trying to claim "12" (others may just be unaware or ignorant).
AND Anyway, this is a tangent that we went off on; regardless, whoever said "Bama obliterates USC" to begin with is simply un-informed or stupid (er, fake college football fan).So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 26, 2006 9:01 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Jarred, last time I checked, the AP has been naming College Football National Champions for about 7 DECADES... 2003 was no different.
And IF, If, if, we were to delve into that one, LSU was DAMN LUCKY to even get a split of that Title -- if the Coaches Poll hadnt been contractually obligated by the BCS that year... LSU ??? Remember, USC vs Michigan in the Rose Bowl woulda happened with or without the BCS that year... ya cant guarantee the same for the Sugar Bowl.
But hey, you cant take too much away from LSU, the Coaches Poll tied their own noose, they gave signed away their Vote.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 26, 2006 9:09 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC:
Don't you understand that the AP Poll does not count unless it benefits an SEC team? Like this for example: in 1979 USC went into Birmingham and beat Alabama 24-14 - yet the AP somehow awarded half a title to Alabama. At least the coaches got that one right when they picked USC as the National Champion. But, we don't cry about that too much. But, it was a complete joke.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 26, 2006 9:19 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Mooka:
Okay, I got nothin' to lose. I had the PAC to win four of it's six games. The two losers were Oregon and Arizona State - so I already pegged those.
UCLA 24 Florida State 17
California 30 Texas A&M 21
Oregon State 26 Missouri 21
U.S.C. 24 Michigan 20So, if I get these next four - we're 4-2 for the Bowls.
Oklahoma State 26 Alabama 24
Clemson 30 Kentucky 22
South Carolina 28 Houston 21
Virginia Tech 21 Georgia 17
Tennessee 24 Penn State 19
Auburn 24 Nebraska 21
Arkansas 24 Wisconsin 23
L.S.U. 31 Notre Dame 19
Ohio State 27 Florida 19So, I got the SEC to go 5-4 with three games that could turn around on you. Penn State, Wisconsin and Nebraska could sneak a win. Those are three pretty good programs with great Bowl traditions. It'll be hard for the PAC to sweep the next four, and if they lose another and end up 3-3, all you have to be is 5-4. If we end up 4-2, and you end up 6-3, then it's a tie. Deal?
Tommie T
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 26, 2006 9:29 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Alien, That 2003 Michigan Defense was the BEST Defense since their National Championship Team! and that 2003 Michigan Offense was their BEST in over a Decade!
Heading into the 2003/04 Rose Bowl...
Michigan's D allowed just 5 Passing TDs all season. USC put up 4 Passing TDs in one game.
Michigan had only allowed 15 Sacks all season.
USC's Defense rolled-up 9 SACKS in that one game.Alien, ya gotta pay closer attention.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 26, 2006 9:41 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
CW, youre talking about The Rose Bowl; College Football epitomized. Are those "Fruity" Bowls down south supposed to be more meaningful? or that "Sweety" Bowl?
BTW, Jarred, TMac, gatorhip, these posts have been sorta in response to CW being silly (ei, in Post 283)... if you wanna sidebar, thats fine, but just letting you know.
CW, what other national Contender has faced/beaten the Strength of Schedule that USC has. Speak in specifics CW. And by the way, USC has national Titles in 4 different generations.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 26, 2006 9:47 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Mooka:
Now, here's where everybody misses it on the USC/Michigan game:
The top four Michigan runners led by Mike Hart get about 5.1 per carry, while totin' the pig 35.3 times per game, which is hardly a "groundshakin'" average. USC meanwhile averages a pedestrian 4.8 per carry, while their top four led by Washington and Gable, carry the pig only 28.4 times per game. The problem for Michigan is that they will not run the ball. Neither will USC. But, Michigan will get nothing on the ground. That is a fact.
Now, for as much heat as JD Booty has taken, his numbers are far superior to Henne's. Both have QB ratings in the 140's and equal completion percentage. Booty throws the ball for 246.3 yards per game and Henne only gets 183.3 - as Michigan relies mightily on their running game. Booty has thrown 25 TD's with 9 INT's while Henne has thrown for 20 TD's with only 7 INT's. The telling stat is that Booty has only been sacked 13 times (while USC is a passing team) and Henne has been sacked 18 times (while Michigan is a running team). This indicates that Michigan has the weaker offensive line. This makes it even worse for Michigan - as USC's defensive front seven might be the best in the country.
For all the great talk about Manningham, Breaston and Arrington - they don't even come close to the numbers that USC's Dwayne Jarrett and Steve Smith put up every game. In fact, Ted Ginn doesn't even come close to either of these two guys. That's all hype.
So, when the Michigan run offense breaks down, and it will, they will not be as prepared as USC - to win the game through the air. The Michigan run offense sets up their passing game - while the USC passing game sets up it's run offense. The affect of great defensive fronts will bother USC less than it will bother Michigan.
And, finally, USC has a tremendous defensive secondary to go along with the front seven. Michigan does not have that luxury. USC receiver's will burn Michigan all day long.Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 26, 2006 10:12 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
In fairness to Alabama, one of the greatest ripoffs, was at their expense.
In 1966, all the hype was about Notre Dame and Michigan State. Funny thing is: Alabama had won a National Championship in 1964 and 1965. They were a two-time defending National Champion in 1966 - yet all the hype was about Notre Dame and Michigan State. Well, Michigan State would tie Notre Dame and both teams would finish 9-0-1, with Notre Dame #1 and Michigan State #2. Meanwhile at the end of the year Alabama with a 10-0 record, is stuck at #3. Back in those days, the final polls, were conducted before the Bowl games. How stupid was that anyway?
Well, Notre Dame didn't go to Bowl games in those days, and Michigan State would lose to #5 UCLA 14-12 in the Rose Bowl. Meanwhile, Alabama just goes out and clobbers Nebraska 34-7 in the Sugar Bowl. I have always asked myself: how does a two time defending National Champion, who finishes 11-0, not win another NC when the other team has a tie against another team with a loss. Looking back on that season historically, a National Championship was awarded to Notre Dame, that definately belonged to Alabama.Tommie T
Mooka said:
posted on December 26, 2006 10:27 PM — 68.107.102.29 — link — abuse?
Tommie T,
You bring up good points on USC Big O versus UM Big O, but I give UM 3 up for defense. I just think UM has a better defense. I suppose if USC will pass all day, they will win like you say. As for the bet, it's a deal. Look out!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 27, 2006 9:17 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
In defense of Alabama - in 1966 they were ripped off about as hard as any team any time. Alabama had won the National Championship in both 1964 and in 1965. Yet, in 1966, all the rage was Notre Dame and Michigan State. Notre Dame and Michigan State would tie each other at the end of the year, both teams would finish up at 9-0-1, while Notre Dame would be ranked #1 and Michigan State would be ranked #2. Alabama at 10-0 would be ranked #3. Back in those days the polls would be completed prior to the Bowl games.
So back in those days, Notre Dame did not participate in Bowl games, and Michigan State would go and lose to #5 UCLA 14-12 in the Rose Bowl. Meanwhile, Alabama would go out and paste Nebraska in the Sugar Bowl 34-7. Alabama would finish the season 11-0 after two straight National Championships, and would be bypassed for another NC, at the expense of a 9-0-1 Notre Dame team. This year was clearly an example of how media hype can cause a NC that should not have existed. How does a two-time defending National Champion go 11-0 - and not win the National Championship? Only with human voters. My contention has always been that you are #1 until somebody beats you. I don't really know how good Ohio State is - but I have them at #1. Because, last year Texas beat #1 USC, and this year Ohio State beat Texas. Also, Ohio State did not lose another game. Back in 1966 - nobody ever beat Alabama, and yet, many voters got all media hyped over Notre Dame and Michigan State. I remember the year very well. I remember watching the game - Notre Dame 10 Michigan State 10. I also remember watching Gary Beban lead UCLA over Michigan State. That was proof enough that Notre Dame was probably not #1. Alabama was ripped off for one National Championship in 1966.Tommie T
PopsMich said:
posted on December 27, 2006 9:18 AM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC: That 2003/04 UM was a GOOD team, but not great. They faced a GREAT USC team and the game wasn't as close as the final score 28-14. UM's "O" line was very good that year, but were destroyed by USC's "D" and speed.
That said, the teams this year are very different. USC isn't close to that level, and UM's "D" is even better this year.
Gonna be an interesting game.
IrishJT said:
posted on December 27, 2006 9:24 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
SOCALUSMC,
How can you count 1973 as a "legit title" for the Crimson Tide? They lost their last game of the season to Notre Dame!! How can that be "legit"? I thought losing your last game would prevent a team's claim to be a national champion? Hmm.I think we can all agree that Alabama has NOT won TWELVE national titles...as their official website proclaims. This is yet another reason why some SEC fans make me sick.
Cane_Nation said:
posted on December 27, 2006 10:49 AM — 205.166.218.39 — link — abuse?
ATLien : (post 349)
See everybody, this is what I have to deal with on a daily basis living here (I still wouldn't dream of moving from here though). UGA fans want to say, "You can speak when you beat FSU." I guess UGA owns Florida, huh? I guess you have won a National Title in the past quarter century, huh?
Let me tell you what your team HAS won in the past twenty five years....2 conference titles. In that same span, we have won 5 National Titles and played for 3 more. So if you're happy with just winning conference titles, go ahead and celebrate. I'll stick to expecting to at least be in the National Title hunt late in the season.
Have you ever heard of : Delusions of Granduer?
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 27, 2006 11:51 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
PopsMich:
Clearly, you have not watched too many USC games this year. I have watched them all for years. This is the best defense we have had here. Way better and faster than the 2003 defense. And, getting better every game as they are very young. No way Ohio State ever scores 42 points against the USC defense. Your team is over hyped. And, you will find out on the 1st that the Michigan offense does absolutely nothing all game. I don't have to convince myself - it's a fact. If Michigan can somehow win the game - it will be because of offensive blunders, penalties and other miscues. I think Michigan has an edge on special teams also. But, to think you'll score a lot of points on USC - your very much mistaken. You'll have to "get lucky" for that to happen. I don't expect for USC to overpower the Michigan defense either. I expect a low scoring game. They always are.
Tommie T
PopsMich said:
posted on December 27, 2006 12:36 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
TT:
1. You're not playing OSU
2. OSU had not let up > 17 pts, UM put up 39.
3. Don't confuse your Offense with OSU.
4. You haven't faced an Offense like UM's. The best you've seen is ND (maybe Oregon St.).
5. That late stretch of "tough games" is looking soft given the bowl result for Oregon.I've seen enough of USC to know that they pulled out some tight games this year, and that Booty looked frightened vs the rush vs ND (2nd 1/2) and UCLA. They're not the team they were the last 2 years.
Zac said:
posted on December 27, 2006 3:05 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
HEY!!! Enough already with AL’s titles. Will somebody please look up what ESPN shows for AL's National Titles?!? If it's in writing, maybe it's legit, and we can fa-get-a-bout-it already.
Rude as this may seem, I would like to interrupt the group to briefly discuss (R U all ready for this?) the recent passing of a Michigan alumnus. This particular individual played on 2 undefeated National Championship teams (1932 & 33) and was voted MI's most valuable player in 1934; they retired his jersey. He also became our 38th president following Nixon's resignation in 1974. Gerald Rudolph Ford passed away at the age of 93 in his home last evening. For those of us who really love college football, not to mention the MI faithful, we know he was quite a player for his day. I'd like to say I speak for all of us, when I say our prayers go out to the Ford family. The rest of you do as you see fit in this regard. Thanks for listening.
OK, now, how many titles does AL actually have??????
posted on December 27, 2006 4:17 PM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
Alabama did get the shaft in 1966 for a national title. I'm thinking the reason might have been the civil rights struggle and all the strife that was coming out of the state of Alabama and the South at that time. I think they were discriminated against for that reason.
However, I see no logical reason for Alabama to be able to claim a national title in 1973 when they lost in the Sugar Bowl to Notre Dame. Maybe they wanted to pay them back for taking their title in '66. Cooter's Bait and Tackle National Championship probably cast their vote for the Tide that year.
There's really only 2 title claims that I respect--the AP and the old UPI, which is now the USA Today Coaches Poll/BCS, or whatever the hell it is. Until I-A gets a playoff and determines the true champ on the field, we're always going to have this question of legitimacy.
And NO, Bama fans and other haters, I don't consider Auburn to have won any national championship in 2004, even though Cooter's Bait and Tackle did award them one. We'll have to wait until SoCal has to vacate the title by using an ineligible Reggie Bush. I'm not holding my breath, however...
posted on December 27, 2006 4:41 PM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
Tommie or IrishJT: Why didn't Notre Dame play bowl games from 1925 until 1970? Did someone strand the team out in California for the 1925 Rose Bowl and they were so pissed that they decided not to go to any bowls for the next 45 years? One of you has to know. I'm betting the reason is something to do will religion...
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 27, 2006 5:00 PM — 216.46.211.71 — link — abuse?
Tommie,the first few games of the year I thought our O-line was terrible and they were,but I think it's taking a while for the zone blocking to warm up,but it has,and that showed in the Ohio State game.
You are right about Dwayne Jarrett running Past the Michigan secondary,because that's our weakest point,and honestly overall our D is average,due to our secondary......what?.....Oh sorry I guess we don't have a secondary.
But it's gonna be a great game!
GO BLUE!
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 27, 2006 5:38 PM — 216.46.211.71 — link — abuse?
Here's my bowl picks-
BCS Championship- Ohio State.
Rose- Michigan
Fiesta- Oklahoma
Sugar- LSU
Orange- Louisville
Capital one- Wisconsin
Cotton- Auburn
Gator- West Virginia
outback- Tennessee
MPC- Miami
chick-fil-a- Virginia tech
Alamo- Iowa
Meineke car care- Boston coll
Champs sports- Maryland
insight- Texas tech
Liberty- S. Carolina
SUN-- Oregon state
Music city-- Clemson
Holiday- Texas A-m
Texas bowl - Kansas state
Independence - Alabama
Emerald - UCLA
GMAC - Southern miss
international - Western MichiganBig Ten 4-3
SEC 5-4
Pac Ten 2-2
ACC 5-3
Big East 2-2Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 27, 2006 7:34 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
PopsMich:
I think Mooka giving me a chance to redeem my crappy conference. I don't have nothin' to lose. I already think that the SEC is stronger this year. It's possible that the PAC could go 4-2 and the SEC 5-4 though. I think overall - the SEC is playing a more difficult Bowl schedule though. The PAC is playing three rough teams: BYU, Hawaii and Michigan. The SEC has to wade through: Clemson, Virginia Tech, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Notre Dame and Ohio State. If the SEC wins - I have no problem with proclaiming them as the best conference this year. They might be even if they lose. I don't think that the PAC is even if I win this bet. It'll be nice if we can go 4-2 though.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 27, 2006 9:42 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
That's why Karl Dorrell will never be great. His team had rolled for 264 yards overall, averaging 9.0 per play, and the jerk is too scared to go for it on 4th and one from the two. He takes a field goal.
Now, the defense has not been playing well, and Florida State gets the ball back with 2:34 left on the clock. Florida Atate also gets the ball to start the 2nd half. So, Dorrell feels good about a 20-10 lead? Oh, as I speak, Florida State is runnin' wild down the field for another score. What a joke this clown is. Join the "Big Leagues" Karl. Justin Medlock is to be used for "long field goals" - not chip shots from the two. What is the message you just sent your team? "I don't think you can get one crummy yard"? Now, I know why the FUCLA'ns want this guy gone. He playin' against Bobby Bowden for cryin' out loud. He got lucky to beat Pete Carroll and the guy better get used to takin' some risks in order to keep winning. I'll be surprised if this boneheaded move does not cost them the game.Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 27, 2006 10:04 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
War Eagle Atlanta:
It could not have had anything to do with religion. Religion always figures out how to make a buck. If religion was involved - they would have been passin' the plate at the Rose Bowl from the beginning in 1901 onwards. It probably has more to do with their stubborness about not wanting to play anyone that they don't want to. They were the last team to allow for Bowl games. It may be also, that their was some form of integridy involved in the academic side, and they did not want their players to miss any more academics then they absolutely had to. That would be my guess.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 27, 2006 10:27 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
And there you have it! In the twinkling of an eye - Florida State 23 UCLA 20. That's what I'm talkin' about. That was the greatest momentum killer I've ever seen - takin' that field goal from the two. It should never be done. Thank God for Pete Carroll, one of the only coaches that understands the rules, and the rules say that you have four downs to make it ten yards. And, if you can't do it, GET OFF THE FIELD!
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 27, 2006 10:41 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Zac:
RE: Post #407:
Yes, President Ford passed away today. What did he mean to me? He may have saved my life one day.
It was 1975, we were back "in the world", 9th Infantry Division at Fort Lewis. Most everyone was back. My ol' lady was pregnant with my 1st son. The North overran the South on this one particular day. The MP's came, surrounded us with machine guns, and ordered all our gear to be loaded onto the transports over at McCord Air Force Base. We stood on that runway for hours, and I couldn't even call my wife, and tell her anything at all. Man, I'll never forget the feeling of that fugtup day. I wanted to run and tell my wife that I was goin' back to hell - but, they probably would have shot me. After many hours, we were told to "stand down", and that we could all go back to the barracks. I found out that President Ford had decided that enough was enough - and that we would just evacuate the South. I got to stand in the delivery room while my son was born.
I answered a trivia question on yahoo today: what would President Ford best be remembered for? Was it pardoning President Nixon or helping America to recover from the Watergate scandal? It was neither. For me, President Ford was the man who got us out of "the Nam".
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 27, 2006 11:37 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Mooka, PopsMich & M GO BLUE:
I concede. I'm actually laughin' my azz off at FUCLA. The PAC10 does really blow. Now, I am actually afraid that USC will get blown out by Michigan. I can't see where the PAC will win any games at all. These teams are really pathetic.
They got Drew Weatherford lookin' like Johnny Unitas and Lorenzo Booker lookin' like Marshall Faulk. This is amazing. How does Duane Walker do it? Man, what an ingenius defensive scheme. Or, does losing Jeff Bowden really make that much difference? Is Bobby back to callin' all the shots on offense? I think it's that the PAC just really blows. I'll be amazed if they win even one bowl game. I am ashamed to have been born on the left coast.
Tommie T
T-Mac said:
posted on December 27, 2006 11:51 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
This doesn't make the University of Southern California look very good at all! Very Bad! I thought UCLA was a RANKED TEAM??? So Cal, where are you bro? UCLA and OSU never deserved to be ranked at any point this season. Neither UCLA or OSU were ranked when they beat USC! Proof is Proof! I picked USC to beat Michigan. I'm rethinking my pick on that bowl game!
Booker TORCHED that UCLA defense all night long So Cal. I guess it's a good thing that he didn't move on to the NFL! What a Shame. Thing's would have been different had Booker left early for the NFL. The USC Strength of Schedule just dropped like a ton of BRICKS SO CAL!!!
You better be very glad USC didn't get matched up in a Bowl game against that LSU defense bro!
T-Mac said:
posted on December 27, 2006 11:59 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
No Tommie, the PAC doesn't blow. Florida State is just a better Football team than UCLA. The same team that beat USC. No excuses Tommie. No acting like a child. YOU saw that game bro. UCLA never was a RANKED team. YOU know it and everybody else does too Tommie.
Stop playing the victim and being ridiculous. You are concerned about Michigan now. I don't blame you bro. I would be as well. Good luck in your bowl game.
The Mayor said:
posted on December 28, 2006 12:19 AM — 24.7.54.200 — link — abuse?
Just got home from a great vacation in Phoenix...the Pac-10 and my golf game have one thing in common.
Anyone care to venture what the answer might be....
Here's a hint: I head straight from the airport to my favorite neighborhood joint. I am watching the Bruins at Vivacci in Carlmont, CA. The score is 27-23 when I leave to go home...by the time I get home, unpack and set out the garbage and 4 recycling bins (it is CA after all) FSU wins huge!
The Mayor said:
posted on December 28, 2006 12:33 AM — 24.7.54.200 — link — abuse?
Hey So Cal,
Can you run down to Caesars and place a sawbuck on the following parlay:
Aggies over Bears
Beavers over Tigers
Wolverines over Trojans
Tigers over Irish and
Broncos over Sooners?I'll comp your dinner at Bradley Ogden if I win...
I see the Pac-10 going 1-5, only thanks to the Beavers, bumped into the fans at PHX on their way to El Paso. They are amped! Same for Broncos in Phoenix...Sooners aren't even there yet.
Tomcat said:
posted on December 28, 2006 12:40 AM — 69.154.240.142 — link — abuse?
Hey T-Mac I agree with ya .FSU beat UCLA and it was the best bowl match-up I"ve seen so-far.Lets see the darling teams from pac-10 and big10 are overated? I dunno, I do know that FSU beat UCLA and that UCLA beat USC.I saw the FSU vs Fla. game this year and that was a purty good game.
It was really a good game UCLA was driving, threw the INT and FSU scored then two more picks and its all over baby.We all know that its really hard to get the victory with three turnovers, EX UT vs K-St}
Tommorow we have some great games
Ok-State vs Alabama My pick Cowboys
I saw the Cowboys a team that lost to A&M and UT completely destroy Nebraska and BaylorTexas A&M vs Cal Bears My pick A&M
A&M is 6 points away from being undefeated and playing in the N.T. game should have won both OU and Neb lost both by 1 point each and beat U.T.Rutgers vs K-State My pick RU
K-State is a 7-5 team playing a 10-2 team
K-State is gonna come ready to play and could win, however this is the same team that lost to Kansas and Baylor. If Rutgers can beat Louisville they can beat K-State.Hey T-Mac it looks like some purty good games for tommorrow Hookem-Horns
How bout them Troy Boys from Alabama Beat Rice
Those BYU boys whupped Oregon
TCU Horned Frogs whuped N.Illinois
Adios TomcatMooka said:
posted on December 28, 2006 2:35 AM — 68.107.102.29 — link — abuse?
I'll still give UCLA props. The game wasn't as bad as the score showed. UCLA was dominating for the most part. The last 5 minutes of the game killed them though. FLA ST. just took off with the momentum. It was an even match-up for the most part. I still think USC will lose to Mich, but I won't write off USC completly.
Tommie T,
Let's see how the SEC fairs in their bowls. Word of advice though, get ready to talk to your boy Socal.PopsMich said:
posted on December 28, 2006 7:54 AM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
UCLA and PAC 10:
...and three is a trend. These are really bad losses.UCLA isn't the hyped team (Top 25) that beat USC. FSU is simply not a good team, despite beating UCLA. I won't even go over FSU's defeats this year.
The "trend" really indicates the PAC 10 is over rated, and the SOS everyone's been using is a joke (maybe).
Why maybe? We haven't determined who else is over rated since they haven't played, yet (SEC, Big 10). So don't sweat about your team(s).
At present, I'd expect Cal to get pasted by A&M. If that happens, then the PAC 10 is really the PAC 1, and counting.....
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 28, 2006 9:29 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
You guys are all getting too excited over a bunch of nothing, really. We all know that Florida State has had great talent. They still do. Getting rid of Jeff Bowden was the right move. UCLA did not play well and Florida State did last night. UCLA played well against USC and the Trojans did not play well. What makes for a National Champion is that they always play well enough to win. Only one team in the country will do that this year or most years. It doesn't mean that USC sucks just because UCLA really does. And, remember FSU being blown out by Wake, 30-0? I guess they're better than USC, right? USC hasn't ever been blown out by any team. They've lost a couple of close games. I think Oregon State is a good football team. As you know, and I have never said they were, but I was totally shocked that USC lost to UCLA. I had USC to win by at least 14. UCLA outgained FSU in yardage - as bad as Cowan played in the 2nd half. They were outcoached by Bowden. They threw two bad INT's and had a punt blocked for a TD. Florida State did not dominate the game. UCLA gave it to them.
T-Mac:
You of all people ought to be able to understand that not all teams can give their best effort week in and week out. That's why they play the games. Florida State is a notorious good Bowl team. So is USC and Michigan. UCLA is not. I have never thought that Cowan was a good QB. He's only in there because Olsen got hurt. Had Olsen returned for the USC game - USC wins that game. Had Olsen had that game behind him - maybe UCLA beats Florida State. Of course, had they not beaten USC, they may not have made it to any bowl anyway.
Now, consider this: UCLA finished with a 7-6 record and beat USC. Do you know what Karl Dorrell must do to keep his job? That's right - he has to beat USC. Nothing else matters. How much practice time, or just preparation from coaches (watchin' film, etc.), do you suppose that UCLA might have put into preparing for USC during the course of this season? Could it be quite a bit? Now, ask yourself how much time do you think Pete Carroll spent getting ready for UCLA? Probably not much. Likewise, Bobby Bowden had over a month to get ready for this game. He outcoached Dorrell. That's why he's Bobby Bowden. There is a reason that Pete Carroll is where he is also. He does pretty well with plenty of time to prepare. We'll see how the other three PAC teams do in their Bowls. I agree that Oregon and UCLA stunk up the joint. Arizona State had no chance against Hawaii - especially with the "lame duck" coach.Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 28, 2006 11:11 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
PopsMich:
I tend to agree with the SOS ratings thing being blown up. I have had trouble myself, with the notion, that the Top Ten teams in SOS all come from the PAC10.
Here's what happens. Not too many teams will play real quality competition on their OOC schedule. So, USC goes out and beats Arkansas, Nebraska and Notre Dame. Oregon gets a shaky, at best, win over Oklahoma. The BCS only looks at wins and losses. It does not consider that maybe Oregon didn't do too well against Oklahoma. Arizona goes and beats BYU. UCLA beats Utah. So, early in the year the PAC gets six quality wins. Just an example. Because they played more quality opponents, they get more quality wins, and the thing just starts to snow-ball into a state where every PAC10 teams played a real tough schedule because they all played each other. This was a real misleading year for the PAC10. It seems as if every team greatly benefited, and therefore was highly overranked, because of USC's success against OOC competition. This made the PAC appear to be better than it was. I think that there is a definate flaw in how the computers come up with SOS. There is no way in the world that the ten PAC teams all played the toughest schedule. Therefore, everything becomes misleading. All of the odds and lines are misleading also. It would appear that the PAC had about 6-8 teams that would have fallen into the Top 30. I think after the Bowl season is over - we'll see only three. So, my opinion is that somebody needs to have a look into what it is that is calculating these SOS's, and make the correction that is necessary to get a more accurate handle on who is a good team and who is not.Tommie T
PopsMich said:
posted on December 28, 2006 3:30 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
TT: Great post (430). I haven't evaluated the game-by-game cause for any conference.
Those 6 wins are quality wins. Maybe there should be some type of "exponential" weighting where wins/losses later in the season mean more. Thus an early season win over Arkansas (or ND my Michigan, Texas by OSU) gets less value. Conversely, that may overweight in conference games too heavily.
SOMETHING has to be done to account for the gap between those 6 (indisputable) quality wins and the PAC 10's Bowl results. By this time it's too late to say we chose the wrong team(s) for a BCS (or Bowl) slot.
I'm probably as shocked as you to see the 3 PAC 10 losses. I never thought FSU would beat UCLA (or that UCLA would beat themselves).
So does the picture get clearer? We'll find out more tonight. Right now, I'd say Cal gets their doors blown off by A&M. I've been shocked so far, so who knows. Maybe Cal will salvage the PAC 10's rep.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 28, 2006 3:49 PM — 216.46.212.133 — link — abuse?
post #353 Ralphette,here's my take - Nebraska has no plan to get past the first down marker,and Auburn does,so Auburn will beat Nebraska.
It was terrible watching Nebraska run and run and run and run and run and run and run and run and run and run and run and run and run and run and run and run......................................AND THEN THEY PASS FOR A GAIN OF 40 YARDS!
And then they run and run and run and run and run and run and run and run and run and run and run and run and run..............AAAAHHHHHH JUST PASS THE STUPID FOOTBALL PAST THE FIRST DOWN MARKER!
Zac said:
posted on December 28, 2006 5:07 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
I have to agree with Tommy T. FSU’s win against UCLA is just that: one win. It was a good win for Bowden & Co., in that it pitted just about all of his freshmen against all of UCLA’s freshmen. Were it not for a couple of mistakes, upon which FSU capitalized, this would have been a much closer game. Clearly, the teams were just about evenly matched, and their records are now the same. Imagine next year, when the freshmen of both teams are a little older & wiser. That having been said, it ain’t lookin too good for the PAC-10, given 3 of their bowl teams have lost, with only 3 to go. While the lower tier PAC-10 teams have not fared so well, I think you’ll see a different trend over the next 3. Cal will take A&M in a tough match-up, and OR St will be all over MO, just like they were all over ASU, earlier in the year. MI/USC, that’s the next ESPN Classic, until FL/OSU that is.
Zac said:
posted on December 28, 2006 8:17 PM — 65.31.228.13 — link — abuse?
Another entertaining match-up goes down to the wire. I don't mean OK St's field goal leaving 9 seconds left; I mean Bama's attempt at "The Play", perfected by Cal against Stanford. In Bama's case, it was a worthy attempt indeed. Alas, no cigar.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 28, 2006 8:38 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
T-Mac:
Here's the good news and your not gonna want to know this. While all these PAC10 teams are gettin' blown out - it's only helpin' the Trojans. USC has only signed 12 kids so far this year - with another six to be recruited nationally I think. These will all be tremendous players. Now, they'll have to rely on the California-LA area to pick up the other six or so. Any kids who were thinkin' that they might see a ressurgance at a UCLA, Arizona State or Oregon - will greatly question that now. Aside from the great national players that USC is still likely to land - there are still about eight more four star players right here in LA who have yet to commit. There are also a few three stars that are great sleepers. Of all that talent left over - USC will get the pick of the litter again. If any of these PAC teams could ever show that they could do anything - they might have been able to put a dent into USC's recruiting efforts. Like I say - this only helps the Trojans. It only proves that UCLA's win was a total fluke. I even almost thought that something might change over there. It's not going to. USC is the big winner and will lead the nation in recruiting for the 4th straight year - while all their PAC members to their best to make that happen.
Tommie T
CW said:
posted on December 28, 2006 8:45 PM — 66.226.45.182 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC,
Y'all must be insane to continue any kind of positive Pac comments. FSU & UCLA ... I can't even ... I'm speechless. Y'all really stink. I'm watching Cal play A&M and I hate to tell you this ... but Cal couldn't play Coastal Carolina! If any of your teams are ranked in the top 25 (including USCW) I'll laugh myself silly! The BCS will at that point here in the Southeast will there after be only called BS! I hope Ohio can play so it want be a boring bowl.RUKiddinMe said:
posted on December 28, 2006 8:48 PM — 68.1.145.2 — link — abuse?
TT- Ala. lost by 3 what was the Pac-10s loss by pts. to pts.? Pull head outta a$$ here! U Pac-10ers are still in your own little worlds I see. Ill hold any more comments, waitin to see the end results! Youre still my favorite CHAMP!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 28, 2006 10:13 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
RUKiddenMe?
Alabama was rolled up. They were outgained by 150 yards. They were outrushed 200-100 on the ground. Oklahoma State piled up 430 yards on them while Alabama got about 280. Without the punt return it's not close. Shut up until you win. Do you know what a clown is? It's somebody that is on here trying to glorify a loss. There was no glory in Alabama's loss - just like there was none in the PAC's losses.
Tommie T
CW said:
posted on December 28, 2006 10:22 PM — 66.226.45.182 — link — abuse?
ALL Pac Fans,
Sorry I've been hunting Quail over Christmas with my family. I just saw that ASU (West) was ... how do i say it... buried with the sermon to match by Hawaii??? When did Haw get a football team???? Y'all?? The Pac really stinks! Y'all need ... I don't know... ?? When you learn to really play give us a call!!! I'm officially referring to the BCS as the BS Poll from here on out!Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 28, 2006 10:41 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
CW:
What game are you watchin'? You sure you don't have the colors of the teams mixed up. The Aggies are garnett and the Bears are Blue. It's the blue team that is kickin' the crap outta A&M - who's 9-3 BTW. Has anybody else demolished a 9-3 team yet? Didn't think so.
Or, maybe your watchin' Kansas State get blown out by Rutgers. Hey, I thought that K-State was purple. That's a long way from blue, my man. You boyz must have brewed up a mighty good batch of shine this time.Tommie T
The Mayor said:
posted on December 28, 2006 11:28 PM — 24.7.54.200 — link — abuse?
It continues to amaze me that some guys will spout off before the first half is even over. Great call CW!
Congratulations to Tedford and his first group of Bears, I had you pegged as losing and you made a sap outta me.
Go Beavers tomorrow!
The Mayor said:
posted on December 28, 2006 11:42 PM — 24.7.54.200 — link — abuse?
Tommie Trojan,
Cal looked pretty damn good tonight, certainly better than #20.
Hope The Beavers and Trojans can duplicate the Bear success on behalf of a weak Pac 10 this year.
Apologies for our horrible performance in Las Vegas, you probably heard I won the parlay on the Cougars and the under? Paid for dinner drinks wine and great tip at Bradley Ogden at Caesars.
The other game I am looking forward to...BSU all over the Sooners, hopefully without a controversial call.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 28, 2006 11:47 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
SEC'ers:
Your mission, Jim, should you choose to accept it is to try and explain this to me: How does Rutgers blow out a Big12 team Kansas State (7-5) by the score of 37-10 while piling up 482 yards against 168, California blows up another Big12 team Texas A&M (9-3) by the score of 45-10 while outgaining them 476-351, while and SEC team Alabama loses to another Big12 team Oklahoma State (6-6) by the score of 34-31 while being pushed around in yardage to the tune of 419 to 274? This makes absolutely no sense to me at all, that Alabama would lose to the Big12 team with the worst record of these three (6-6), while we all know that every SEC is greater than any other teams. How does this work again?
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 29, 2006 12:10 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Mayor:
I can't find my final poll, but I still had Cal in the Top Ten, with USC still #2. Michigan has been movin' up to #5 though. Of course that will be the tough game. Oregon State is still a good Top 20 team. They should take out Missouri. It's up to the Trojans if we finish 3-3. BYU and Hawaii were tough draws. The thing that pisses me off about Oregon - is this lame azz QB shuffling routine. Dennis Dixon is clearly the man. Stay with him and win some games. I hope Bilotti learned something. Oregon is having a real good recruiting year. They landed another great player yesterday. They stand at about #12 nationally - so things should be lookin' up.
Tommie T
elmarubtc said:
posted on December 29, 2006 2:51 AM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
Tommie T. - Post #447 - Let us all hope that the Alabama loss is the start of a trend, so that we can all get some relief from hearing how almighty the SEC is. The SEC'ers on this blog are already in trouble as most of them said the SEC would go 8-1, well they already have their one and they might as well have 2 because Florida has little or no chance against OSU.
Mooka said:
posted on December 29, 2006 6:07 AM — 68.107.102.29 — link — abuse?
Tommie T,
Post 447, let me esplain sompin to yu ma frind. Frikin Greenbow Alabama was an even match for OSU. Was that not proven as it wen tinto overtime? What do you thing? Do you thing Alabama was good this year essay? The answer is no. Ther you have it. Hey man, focus on jumping on the SEC bandwagon, because that's what's going to happen after the SEC piles up some big wins in some big bowls. You need to focus on you commentary to SOCAL USMC.
PopsMich said:
posted on December 29, 2006 7:42 AM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Whoa boys. All Cal proved is that it is really the PAC 2. Nice win, but it doesn't erase the first 3 games. They are Co-champs vs the no better than 4th team in the Big 12.
Jury is still out on the rest, including the Big 10 and SEC. I wouldn't use 'Bama as the measure, and don't think you would either.
That said, 'Bama let up more points yesterday than they had all season long, including to the "beasts" in the SEC. So the SEC is on the watch list :)
... a lil more today (sweet!).
CW said:
posted on December 29, 2006 9:06 AM — 66.226.45.182 — link — abuse?
Tommie T,
I know! That had to be the sloppiest played bowl i've seen!! To top it off was Hawaii... who in the world would've guessed they played football! And BYU won?????? When did they ever play football?? Have they ever been to a bowl?? Seems like they played in something over a decade ago?? I agree with you! I hope you will join all of us & demand that the BCS will give real teams bowl bids. I hope you will join the chorus and until that time call the BCS ... BS. Thanks for seeing the light! I hope the best for Oregon St they have a game against??? Missouri??? Has Oregon ST won a bowl?The Mayor said:
posted on December 29, 2006 9:15 AM — 24.7.54.200 — link — abuse?
Tommie Trojan
There is a lot of grumbling in Eugene...some people think it's time for a change with maybe Bellotti moving to the recently vacated AD position.
I guess we will have to wait until Phil Knight chimes in...
CW said:
posted on December 29, 2006 9:17 AM — 66.226.45.182 — link — abuse?
TT,
Alabama?? You mean the team w/o a coach? That still managed to pull out a win? It's amazing after the season they had they were in a bowl! They won only 2 sec games? And still nearly won the whatever it was bowl? I wonder what they would've done had they had a coach! Anyway, its useless to argue after the games yesterday... y'all stink!!! Maybe one day the Pac will have a legacy... right now y'all have a lot to prove. UCLA lost to the weakest team in the Southeast FSU. I hope you are breathing easier since USCW didn't need to play them.Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 29, 2006 10:07 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
The Mayor:
I don't know if I've ever told you about my interest in Oregon football. My mother grew up in Grant's Pass - while my wife has several different relatives in Eugene. I may even retire to that area of Oregon eventually. That all coupled with more extended family in Fresno (and they're all Bulldog fans - who like Oregon), with Fresno playing Oregon almost every year, and I have the situation that involves Oregon football all around me. Hey, I might even have to be a fan some day. I send my wife and kids up to Oregon every summer, just to get rid of them for awhile, and they tell me that everyone in Eugene dresses funny. That might have a bearing on why the Ducks need to make their uni's look as crazy as possible.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 29, 2006 11:17 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
SEC'ers:
I do understand, that besides Kentucky, Alabama was probably your weakest Bowl team. But, my point is: that Okie State at (6-6) from the Big12, was a comparable team, and Alabama lost and was pushed around on the line of scrimmage.
BYU was favored over Oregon and Hawaii was favored over Arizona State and their "lame-duck" coach. There was no way that ASU could have done any better. But, UCLA and Oregon did play like dogs. I am being a little facetious on the Alabama loss though. They did play better than either Oregon or UCLA did. BTW, the PAC does not consider those three teams that lost as the best three. USC, California and Oregon State are our three best teams. It is not so surprising that those bottom three should lose. It is surprising that two of them got blown out that should not have. Alabama did a pretty fair job under their circumstance.Tommie T
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 29, 2006 11:28 AM — 216.46.210.41 — link — abuse?
The SEC IS very good,but the SEC fan's think that any team from any other conference would have a worse record if they had to play in the SEC,and there is nothing to back that.
Could someone explain to me how O-k state could run up more points on Alabama than any of the SEC teams?
Could someone please explain to me how USC could score more points on Arkansas than any of the SEC teams?
Could someone please explain to me how only Tennessee could score more on Vandy than Michigan?volstrike3 said:
posted on December 29, 2006 11:28 AM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
Tommy,
I don't make excuses, Bama got beat. However, I don't think the conference needs to make excuses for our 9th place team with no coach losing on a last minute FG. Nobody said we were going to win them all. I think putting 9 teams in bowl games is pretty good and would be very happy if we could win 6 of them. I am guessing it will be more like 5-4 with the tough matchups we have.
CommonManCommonSense said:
posted on December 29, 2006 11:45 AM — 72.8.77.189 — link — abuse?
Tommie T:
We should gather a collection to have CW committed. The poor lad is going insane. As near as I can tell, he is a Big-12 fan and seems to forget most of the facts. You and I know that BYU has been to 23 bowl games more than all but two of his daunted BIG-12 teams and that they hold a 2-0 record against mighty Texas and a 2-1 record over the bridesmaid A&M. Bashing the only team outside of the BCS to ever win a national championship shows your complete ignorance of college football.
As for the Hawaii loss, who cares. There were a lot more important things than playing football when you get to Hawaii. Easy to forget about the game. Playing in Hawaii has been a trap for good teams for years.
CW - You make us all glad we don't live in Texas! Loosen you ten gallon hat and realize the real world (PAC 10, SEC and BIG 10 (11))considers your conference second rate.
CommonManCommonSense said:
posted on December 29, 2006 11:57 AM — 72.8.77.189 — link — abuse?
Tommie T:
I forgot to mention that BYU is 1-0 against Oklahoma. Let's see... That is 5-1 against the big 3 of the Big 12.
I'm beginning to think that CW is a BCS Commissioner. If the Big 12 can limit the field and play a bunch of patsies along the way - they can always play for a championship. Good Luck against Boise State, another lowly western team that is going to slap around the Big 12.
CommonManCommonSense said:
posted on December 29, 2006 12:38 PM — 65.121.23.178 — link — abuse?
CW:
I OWE YOU A BIG APOLOGY!!! From an earlier post, I thought you were dissing the PAC 10 in favor of the Big 12. After reviewing other posts, it is clear you are an SEC fan. While my bashing of the Big 12 stands, I agree that the SEC is tops. Even PAC 10 teams wish they had your traditions, attendance, venues, etc.
My Bad!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 29, 2006 12:56 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
CommonManCommonSense:
Yeh, ol' CW has been hittin' the pipe a little too hard lately. I had him pegged as an SEC'er. If he really is a Big12 kinda guy - then all his statements are even more absurd. He asks, "Who is BYU and what have they ever won"? That pretty much tells us what we need to know. I would like to know, CW, "What part of Siberia do you hail from"?
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 29, 2006 1:05 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
volstrike3:
Let's get real. The only reason that the SEC puts nine into Bowl games is because most of those games are played in the South - and the SEC teams would be a better draw. Alabama at 6-6, was no more worthy than Arizona at 6-6 or Washington State at 6-6. Pittsburgh finished up at 6-6 also. Any of these teams rate right around where Alabama does in all the National Rating services. And, Kentucky isn't all that great either at 7-5. They may be the worst 7-5 team in the country.
That said, in defense of Alabama, obviously with Joe Klines takin' over as interim Head Coach, the defense was bound to suffer. The offense seemed to move the ball okay - but the defense was not up to par. Part of that problem is that Oklahoma State actually has a real good offense. A very underrated team BTW. I had OSU rated higher than either K-State or A&M entering the post season. Nevertheless, a 6-6 Alabama from the SEC, ought to be able to beat a 6-6 Okie State from the Big12 - if all that we hear is true.Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 29, 2006 2:34 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
The Mayor:
What do you think about Rich Brooks goin' for it on 4th and four from his own 20 - early in the 2nd quarter? Unbelievable! What's even more stupid is that they convert for the 1st down and then launch a 70 yard TD strike on the very next play. Talk about dumb luck? Hey, how many different ways can Clemson find to lose games anyway?
Tommie T
CW said:
posted on December 29, 2006 3:06 PM — 66.226.45.182 — link — abuse?
Common Sense,
Sorry you were confused! I'm a SEC common sense person. There is no other "conference." There is the Big 2 instead of Big 10, Pac (1/2 of 1) meaning USCW. The Big 12 ... I don't know?? Every few years either Texas or Nebraska shows up to play. In todays world it seems that all football is confined to the SEC conference and 5 or 6 of the ACC.
Mayor,
We don't make it a habbit to reseach the Pac ... especially Oregon / Oregon St? Are they both the Mallards? Or that wierd clam y'all have in Oregon?... is it a gooey Duck?? We definitly don't know anything abut N. Mexico except of their constant flooding of Illegal's? ND I think was a team when my Grand Dad was little?? If I remember correctly ND still isn't good enough to play in a conference?? Anyway... my bad? At least you have won some kind of game. I remember a little school in Winston-Salem (WFU) has about as many students as my high school going up to play y'all and stompin you pretty soundly?? Guess I'll have to catch up on homework?? Oregon is Division I or II?volstrike3 said:
posted on December 29, 2006 5:33 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
Tommy T,
Kentucky isn't that bad, they just won their bowl game.
Normally I would agree the Bama/OSU match up is even but the wheels have completely come off at Bama. No coach and horrible clock management leading up to the last minute FG attempt.
How about Cal? I did not see that coming. I thought A&M was going to push them around but I was very impressed with the Bears.
The Mayor said:
posted on December 29, 2006 6:26 PM — 24.7.54.200 — link — abuse?
CW
Your ignorance of other conferences and programs shows that you're not a true fan of the game, just a immature loud mouth trying to stir up trouble.
The Pac-10 is not a strong conference this year, Oregon and UCLA were an embarrassment in their Bowl Games. Cal was awesome and the Beavers showed some balls. Is that too hard for you to admit.
You really don't add anything of value to this site. Your jokes are terrible. I am assuming that you are very young judging by your lack of knowledge and poor grammar.
I for one will not respond to your blogs anymore, it only seems to encourage you.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 29, 2006 6:28 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Yeh we'll take the Beaver win, but man, what happened to the defense? It is disturbing to me how many teams have not bothered to play any defense during these Bowl games. The only teams that really shut it down was Rutgers and BYU. The rest of em' have pretty much been slugfest's except for the Cal game. I'll take it though.
Tommie T
PopsMich said:
posted on December 29, 2006 6:46 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Congratulations Beavers. Right!
38 points by a team with a 4-4 conference record. More than only Boise and Cal vs Oregon St.
583 yards allowed. Yikes. If Mizzou didn't try to protect the lead, they probably would have scored more. Mizzou only scored more than 38 all season vs Kansas, K St. and Murray (all at home).
If Oregon St. is a top 3 team in the Pac 10, then it really is the PAC 2.
I guess a win is a win.
baylorboy said:
posted on December 29, 2006 8:19 PM — 69.154.240.142 — link — abuse?
I belive the rose bowl will be a great evenly matched game,but I belive that Booty will thow an interciption because of the preasure the michigan D-Line puts on him.Then Henne long balls it in the endzone for the game winning TD.Final Score Michigan 35,USC 31.
In the Sugar Bowl the LSU defense dominates the entire game.After going three and out on the passing game the first half, ND tries the run which also fails because SEC teams know it like the back of their hand.Final score LSU 24,Irish 3.
CW said:
posted on December 29, 2006 8:38 PM — 66.226.45.182 — link — abuse?
TT,
Yep, now we have seen the worst SEC teams... even when teams rush unbelievable yards against us ... they hang their weary heads is disbelief and say "what is it about Southern teams that cause them to win?"Y'all don't have the will power to beat our weak teams. However, I did see the mallards?? beat uhh? What a minute let check?? Some team?? called Missouri...by one point!!! Boy must have been a toughy?
Zac said:
posted on December 29, 2006 9:06 PM — 65.31.228.13 — link — abuse?
Tommy T & the rest: You mentioned your disappointment as to what you've seen of teams defensively. How about some of the good ole plain fundamental mistakes we've all seen? QB's rolling out, under threat of being sacked, do they throw the ball away? No, they take the sack, even though they're outside the tackles. What's up with that? Lineman down field as ineligible receivers, lineman blocking defenders in the back, when there's a blocker right there, other bonehead penalties at critical junctures, defenders not getting their hands up to try and bat down pass attempts when they can't get to the QB, defenders tackling huge ball carriers up high instead of going for their legs; it's just been nuts. Most of the teams which have won so far, clearly deserved to win; a couple didn't win so much as the other team lost.
By the way, Luke, if OSU beats FL close like I'm thinking, I think you'll still have plenty to brag about. After all, it was your team that got to the championship game. That in of itself is worth bragging about.
T-Mac said:
posted on December 29, 2006 9:28 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Tommie, post 482. Who ever said that South Carolina had a great SEC defense? They are certainly not on a level with Auburn, LSU, FL, etc. They did indeed have a better defense than Houston in that the Cocks prevailed 44-36. Good win for Spurrier and the Gamecocks.
I actually would have rather seen South Carolina play a team a little tougher. I think Oklahoma State/South Carolina would have been great. Alabama is just down right now. No head Coach. It's a wonder they only lost by a field goal. Had Shula coached that game than Bama wins by 7. The score would have never gotten to 30 though I don't think. The firing of Shula is going to come back and bite Moore in the A$$ I think.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 29, 2006 9:36 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
T-Mac:
I know it's SOS and that he don't know what defense is. I'm really alarmed at how many points all of these teams are giving up. And, the yardage has been monstrous. When UCLA rolls for well over 400 on Florida State - then something is way wacky. Likewise with FSU doing that to UCLA. There has been piles of yardage in most of these Bowl games so far. Doesn't seem as if anybody can stop anyone though. To South Carolina's credit, they did stiffen in the 2nd half, and that got them the win. I did have South Carolina favored, and do have them in my Top 25, BTW. I was really impressed with the way that Kentucky handled Clemson though. That one - I missed. That was a good win for the SEC right there. That is the one that could put them over the top. It was a good day for the SEC. I don't know what has happened to Clemson. That team started out so well, and just like Oregon, completely fell apart at the end.
Tommie T
Tomcat said:
posted on December 29, 2006 10:40 PM — 69.154.240.142 — link — abuse?
Hey Tommie T & T-Mac
Lot of great bowls The OSU vs Alabama was really a good matchup.I saw the FSU vs UCLA game and that was more fun to watch than the Aggies.
Cal completely dominated the Aggs in the second half.As we all well know down here its poor aggies.
I didnt get to see the Mizzu game however I understand it was real close good game.
Its half time right now on the TTech vs Gophers
I can just say that I remember that this is a team that lost to TCU and Colorado. In every game you never know who's gonna show up.
After watching the Cal game I was thinking these guys lost to Tenn, WoW they were really impressive.
I kinda knew the outcome of K-State vs Rutgers and I really didnt watch it as it was aired the same time as the A&M game.
I watched the second half of the S.C. vs Houston game and I was kinda surprised that Houston gave a purty good showing against a SEC powerhouse.I kinda remember that this is a Houston team that came back to beat Rice by 1 point and lost to the Canes by 1 point.
Kentucky vs Clemson just kinda shows the nation that the SEC is probably one of the toughest.
I saw the Kentucky vs Louisville and those guys played tough.
Looks like as I've said before the game is played on the feild and not stats and computers, and even though many of the games are somehow predicable that just about anybody can beat anybody on a given day.Who's gonna show up? and Who's gonns choke? Who's gonna come from behind? and who's gonna dominate?
Looks like a tuff year for the XII
Nebraska vs Auburn Auburn
Nebraska lost to USC, UT, OU and Ok St.
Auburn lost to Ark and Fla.
Of course you never really know, ya right
This is purty much the same team that upset Mich in S.A.Texas vs Iowa looks like a good matchup
Texas a team that after going for like 20 something straight wins beats Mich, Ohio St, Okl,
Ok St,Ku and USC loses to A&M and K-State.
Iowa is a really good team hell they beat Syracuse. I will see yall in S.A. tommorow.
Hookem-HornsCW said:
posted on December 29, 2006 10:57 PM — 66.226.45.182 — link — abuse?
Mayor,
Sorry about the grammar! Actually I'm an English / Lit Prof. that occasionally enjoys natural colloquiums. I can tell by your tone that defeat is imminent. I'm sorry! Maybe in the future your Conf will play compatible to the SEC / Southeast. I actually joined the blog because of a colleague who stated I would really get a laugh at people who actually feel genuine that football can be played on the west coast. You're a good Pac fan... just in some kind of parallel universe!
The Mayor said:
posted on December 30, 2006 1:33 AM — 24.7.54.200 — link — abuse?
PopsMich
Do you see any Big 10 team going for 2 points when they are down by 1 with 22 seconds to go in a bowl game. No way! Don you see UM making that kind of call in the Rose Bowl! No way. 118 out of 119 coaches kick the extra point and take their chances in OT.
Give OSU and coach Riley their props for a great win. By the way, they were only favored by 3.5 dumbass. It's not like they lost by 30 to BYU.
It was a great comeback and the balls-iest call since Tom Osbourne went for 2 (pre OT rules I should add). Riley for Coach of the Year!
The Mayor said:
posted on December 30, 2006 1:48 AM — 24.7.54.200 — link — abuse?
volstrike3
I too did not see Cal winning the "dreaded" Holiday Bowl (it has been Pac 10 death the last few years). Nice of you to show some class and recognize a Pac 10 team.
Best of luck to the Vols in their game against Bite Me State and papa Joe in the Outback Bowl. I hope Ainge lights it up. This from The Mayor a NEHS Classmate of Erik's Dad Doug (I am a Duck but also a Honorary UT Alumni since the first BCS Championship game at the Fiesta Bowl).
PopsMich said:
posted on December 30, 2006 9:44 AM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Mr. Mayor, your honor, sir:
No and No. Its easy to be reckless when you're playing for nothing.Unlike Oregon State, UM historically has something on the line, and plays this time of year in a MAJOR Bowl game.
Nice win for an average team.
BTW, aren't the "better" teams from one conference supposed to beat the average teams from another (in general)? If not, then lets give Riley "Coach of the Year" for his remarkably better than average season.
Zac said:
posted on December 30, 2006 11:35 AM — 65.31.228.13 — link — abuse?
I admit to having picked TX Tech over MN, but never expected the game to go that way. MN has got to be hurting right now. Now, I don't know if this game replaces MI St/N'Eastrn for the biggest comeback, but in my opinion, it was MI's comeback at MN a few years ago that was bigger than this loss. MI scored what, 31 points in the 4th qtr? MN was undefeated, and that loss turned their entire season around. Head up, guys, the sun will still rise & set. Learn from it, and move on.
By the way, am I the only one who thinks OR's helmets look like modified cyclist helmets?
The Mayor said:
posted on December 30, 2006 12:20 PM — 24.7.54.200 — link — abuse?
Pops Michigan
UM's Bowl game run since 1974 has been impressive, but there have been plenty of mediocre stops along the way (Citrus, Outback)...have you forgotten your Bowl game in San Antonio last year?
Sun Bowl or Rose Bowl or even regular season, it was a gutsy call by Riley.
Looking forward to playing in the Big House on September 8th next year and hope to repeat the success of our last meeting in 2003.
Congratulations on a great season and good luck against USC.
PopsMich said:
posted on December 30, 2006 2:31 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Thanks your honor.
Yes, Michigan is like other top programs with ups/downs. I remember "The Alamo" (and Texas, too).
Definitions:
Gutsy - "It worked!"
Nutsy - "You're fired!"Believe me, the lights been on waiting for your arrival since 2003. Too early for "wait 'til next year (season)" for us. However, all but one will be saying that in a few days.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 30, 2006 8:06 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
aMiGO BLUE,
Funny point about the SEC, post 484...
Did you see the SEC Championship Game, and the Defense they played? It looked like a Circus broke-out on a Football field (those clown-looking Florida uniforms were fitting).
*unsolicited trash-talk by my part, excuse me*So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 30, 2006 8:20 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Ballsy call by Oregon State/Mike Riley...
Personally, I instantly thought they should go for the 2-Pt Conversion when they scored (I woulda made that gamble), but I didnt think they would actually gone for it.
That was reminiscent of the fake-Punt call that Rich Rodriguez made to win the Sugar Bowl last season. A perfect timing with a great blend of Brains and Balls that paid-off.So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 30, 2006 8:32 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
UCLA - Why?
I think UCLA has a some sort of an arrangement with the state of Florida. First the Bruins lay-down for Florida in the Basketball Finals... then they amp-up all their might to finally beat USC (and get all proud of themselves) giving Florida a spot in the BCS National Title Game... then they give-away a Bowl victory to an underachieving Florida State that they are better than.
... I guess thats just FUCLA being FUCLA.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 30, 2006 8:42 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Lorenzo Booker, Florida St - Did he leave College Football for 3 or 4 years and then come back - was he on some minor league baseball team?... was he on his 8th-Year of Eligibility or something?It seems like a hella long time ago that he was a Highly regarded Recruit... heard nothing about him for years... then he shows up of this Bowl game. Lorenzo Booker, what a waste.
~ You shoulda known better, Lorenzo.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on December 30, 2006 8:50 PM — 75.108.152.109 — link — abuse?
Take Chuck, he may be a little rusty.... but his takedown defense is unparalleled. I think Chuck wins easily if they stand, but Tito is no joke on the ground either. Final prediction.......... Chuck Liddell by K.O. in the 2nd.
T-Mac said:
posted on December 30, 2006 9:00 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
So Cal, 502. Let's get something straight here bro. You say that UCLA gave-away a Bowl victory to an underachieving Florida State team that they are better than. No, No, No, bro. Florida State won that game So Cal. UCLA never ever deserved to be a ranked team.
BTW-Nobody GAVE Florida a spot in the BCS National Title Game bro. Florida EARNED it. If you would like to put blame out there as to why Florida is in the Title game than take a long hard look at your USC Trojans and why they didn't take care of their own business. Don't get on here and be self-serving and act like Florida was handed a spot bro. They earned it. If your Trojans would have won out than they would have been in the Title game. They didn't. Don't be bitter to UCLA or Florida because your team isn't in the Title game.
T-Mac said:
posted on December 30, 2006 9:36 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, That's right. I'm about end results myself bro. Not to sound cocky or anything, but that's just how I live my life. If you take care of business during the regular season than you will wind up where you need to be. That's it. It's not complicated at all. Win. That's it. Simple as that. Then you got people on here passing judgement on certain teams in the Title game and how they got there. No excuses. If their teams would have won out than they would be playing for the National Championship, but they didn't.
Save the Drama and the Whining...
T-Mac said:
posted on December 31, 2006 12:11 AM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
No Diggs I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that Georgia won that game though. Everyone could clearly see that Ore didn't get in on that Touchdown call in the first half. Final score shouldn't have been that close Diggs. It seemed to me that you got off somewhat premature in your opinion of the game. Obviously you did by the outcome of the game. You gotta give props to the Bulldogs for coming back like that in winning fashion bro. Sure, Georgia might have had a rough time with Virginia Tech, but in the end Georgia put em to bed with the women and children! Go SEC
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on December 31, 2006 12:33 AM — 75.108.152.109 — link — abuse?
Well, I don't think my statement was premature at all. I think that what I said was justified..... Georgia seems to have trouble with teams from the 2 Virginia's..... that is all. Congratulations to Georgia. Let's Goooooooo Big East. Let's Gooooooooooooo Mountaineers!!!!!!!!
T-Mac said:
posted on December 31, 2006 12:57 AM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Diggs, it would be justified if Virginia Tech had won the game. Va Tech didn't win. Georgia did Diggs. The game went to Georgia in the W column Diggs. I wouldn't say that Georgia had trouble with Va Tech. Maybe a rough time not due to the play of Georgia. Yeah, maybe a few bad calls that were against Georgia, but you get those in every game. Go SEC
Yes, I think you started bragging a little premature in that game Diggs. It was in the 2nd quarter when you made that statement wasn't it? When Va Tech was up 21-6 on the scoreboard...
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on December 31, 2006 1:18 AM — 75.108.152.109 — link — abuse?
So let me get this straight T-MAC..... just because a team wins....that automatically means that the winning team had absolutely no trouble with their opponent what so-ever? Well, to me this logic is completely jacked up....... if you believe this that is. You T-MAC seem to believe this for some odd reason? I don't know how I'm confusing anyone with my previous statement? All I said was...."It looks as if Georgia has rough times with teams that are from the 2 Virginia's". I never said anything more than this or less than this. I think it was pretty self explainatory, and a fair statement at that. Does anyone else disagree?
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on December 31, 2006 1:21 AM — 75.108.152.109 — link — abuse?
1 more thing, these games were close(WVU VT), so how anyone could think that Georgia has not had a tough time against the "2" teams from the Virginia's is beyond me? .........I don't need an explaination from anyone trying to prove otherwise......because you'll never convince me "otherwise".... it is a losing battle.....give up.
Mooka said:
posted on December 31, 2006 4:30 AM — 68.107.102.29 — link — abuse?
Damn good win from the Bulldogs. Our bottom feeders are represent'n. VT has had some problems, but really pulled it together in the end of the season and they are definitely a deserving #14 rank. Unranked Bulldogs still put it on em in the 2nd half. Damn good game to watch.
gatorhippy said:
posted on December 31, 2006 8:23 AM — 70.121.109.213 — link — abuse?
Diggsy:
We could also say that teams from "the 2 Virginia's" (like there are more than that) have a hard time handling the Dawgs...
Given that UGA scored 28 unanswered points coming from 19 points down at the half this year against the Hokies...
And responding from a horrendous 1st quarter last year and 28 points down to only lose by three to WVU...
Looking at that; it seems a more correct analysis would be that UGA has a hard time getting fired up to play teams from "the 2 Virginia's" until the Dawgs get behind...
JMHO...
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on December 31, 2006 10:20 AM — 75.108.152.109 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy,
yes, yes you could say that the teams from the 2 Virginia's have trouble with Georgia. It could go either way, that's why I couldn't understand anyone fighting the fact that Georgia has a rough time with teams from the 2 Virginia's? Anyway, enough of this argument...... hopefully we come out fired up on the 1st and put GT away early and hold them off for the remainder of the game. This way we can say that WVU has something for the 2 teams from Georgia. Lets Gooooooooooo Mountaineers!!!!
Zac said:
posted on December 31, 2006 2:04 PM — 65.31.228.13 — link — abuse?
I think we're all agreed GA played a miserable 1st half, courtesy in part to a tough and determined VA Tech squad; and VA Tech played an even more miserable 2nd half courtesy of an even more determined GA squad. No matter who had trouble with who, the bottom line is this: The team which made fewer mistakes, and made the bigger plays on "D", complemented with the right plays on "O" won it. GA won & deservedly so. Note: It could have been a lot worse. What was the final count of dropped balls by GA players, 8? VA Tech dropped all of 2? I find it interesting that a presumably lesser team found a way to do this year what as SEC champs they couldn't do last year: Mount and complete a come back. This year's Dawgs may just have matured to the point, that next year, God help the rest of the SEC.
T-Mac: Thanks for the faith in my Mountaineers.
CW said:
posted on December 31, 2006 2:48 PM — 66.226.45.182 — link — abuse?
Orange Bowl,
Great game last night! Probably the best played game of the current bowl season! VT tried hard and again it seems like football is played by the SEC and now 4 or 5 ACC teams. I'll be on the road to the Orange Bowl hoping for a WFU victory! If there are any Deacon fans out there I wish y'all all the success! The Sec is behind you! Looks like a good line up of bowls while in route! At least through 1 pm! I think will all nap afterwards!easternfan said:
posted on December 31, 2006 3:26 PM — 67.72.98.94 — link — abuse?
T-Mac: You seem like a reasonable guy so dont take this as me trying to get on you. It just amazes me that in your 'er, "discusion" with Diggs that now a "W" is a win period, but in last years bowl game many GA fans want to say things like WV got lucky, caught them flat-footed, etc.
The deal is though, me and my friends were screamin' our heads off for GA to win! We dont much like VaTech and the ACC for obvious reasons.Autigerman said:
posted on December 31, 2006 9:00 PM — 68.1.33.227 — link — abuse?
Lets see, how can a person define the toughest conference.When every single team top to bottom is a real threat to beat any other team on any giving day in that conference. That would be my definition. Now if your looking at the best teams in the country you have to include the big three USC Ohio State and Michigan.On any given day they match up well angainst any team in the country, so how do they get so good .Well if your the top player in the West with offers from UCLA USC Oregon And Washington where do you go.Do you realize the NFL drafted Matt Leinerts back up and he never took a snap. Same with the Mid West Ohio State or Michigan will get most of the Rivals top players from that part of the country. But now in the SEC it really is much tougher to recruit.The teams in the SEC are much closer to strength to each other then big 3. So what does this mean, well Big 10 and Pac 10 can never compare to the strenght up and down the league as the SEC or even the ACC perhaps even the Big East. That wil be proven this bowl season as you see big ten win 2 maybe 3 bowl games. and the same with the pac 10
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on December 31, 2006 11:09 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
T-MAC,
My take is pretty much the same as it was when you asked me the first time. No doubt that Slaton having the deep Quad bruise has me thinking a-lot. I still see us establishing the run though. I just hope that if Rich decides to go with Colson, he doesn't fumble (he's been doing that quite frequently). We do have a guy (Ed Collington) that runs a 4.5'ish 40. He's 6'0 and around 210 (my size) and Rod may be looking to give him a few reps also. Hopefully if Rod decides to play him.... he'll do well. Collington was offered by Iowa as well. Schmitt will most likely get more carries also, and we all know what he can do when given more than 4 or 5 carries a game. Overall though... I think we should establish the passing game a-little then.... WHAM hit the holes hard. I look forward to seeing the "Chief" taking control of his team and doing what it takes to bring home the victory and the Gator Bowl Trophy (we need this Gator Bowl victory bad). Lets Goooooooooo Mountaineers!!!!C-DOGG said:
posted on December 31, 2006 11:18 PM — 76.188.148.131 — link — abuse?
Attention Cane Haters,
Even in one of our worst years, we still manage to have a WINNING RECORD at 7-6 (10 yrs and counting....). You heard the stats: 18 graduating players (9 before the seaon started), 21 graduates in 2005 (#1 in the nation). Not bad for "Thug U". If the rumors are true, we are getting Arizona State's former coach as OC. Not bad to go along with that stellar top 5 defense.
Oklahoma & Texas A&M fans, I wouldn't talk too much smack in the offseason because we are coming to your back yard in 07'. See ya and best wishes to all of your favorite teams in upcoming bowl games. Happy New Year!
To Florida State fans...much respect to you. Way to survive a bad season and finish 7-6 like Miami. All of college football is better when Miami vs. Florida State means a spot in the national title game. I believe that it will be like that again soon enough.
To Coach Larry Coker...thanks for 2 national title games as well as all of those BCS bowl games. I hope that Minnesota hires you. Best Wishes to you and your family.
Happy New Year and R.I.P. Pata...We love you!
T-Mac said:
posted on December 31, 2006 11:27 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Diggs, yeah bro I forgot that we had talked about the game before. My schedule is Sic these days. It's hard sometime to keep up. I actually have a few days rest. I'm looking forward to catching some bowl games. I will be eating my share of Pizza Hut too. This diet is crazy, but the reward will be off the chain. I'm 219 pounds right now. I have to stay on a strict diet to stay down though. If I didn't diet I'd be 240 pounds in no time at all. We are both the same height. Do you weight lift or exercise regularly? I'm asking because I'm into fitness quite a bit. That might be getting too personal. Well, peace bro. T-Mac
T-Mac said:
posted on December 31, 2006 11:41 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Diggs, I have roommates and they use the computer also. You had hit me up about my training and numbers while I was posting you back on that last one. Kinda coool. My boys are trying to get me to go out tonight. I think I'll go ahead and have some fun for a night. Have a few beers and unwind. I never go out so I'll probably have fun. I just try to be careful because with the women it can get hairy at times. You never know what their intentions are. Well, I guess we never really know what their intentions are than do we? I'm just content to stay in and watch film and watch movies or read books. Reading relaxes me. I really like to fish too, but on New Years Eve theres not a lot of that goin on bro. Peace. Ya Boy. T-Mac
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on December 31, 2006 11:46 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
T-Mac,
Nah it's not personal at all to me, but some of the other guys on here might get a laugh. To answer your question though.... I used to be an avid Powerlifter.... I went to the Junior Olympics in Des Moines, Iowa in 1996 (AAU sponsored event)and I got the Gold Medal. I was in the 132 lb. weight class at that time. Right now though I mostly hit the Chest, Arm, and BAck workout hard though. I hit the machines for legs and that's it. Not to brag or anything but here's my recent numbers on the bench... I hit 135 for a warmup... then jumped to 225lbs. for 15 reps. Then I went to 275lbs. for a set of 3. Finally I put on 315lbs. and hit that for a set of 3 also.My cardio is pretty bad now.. I ran a 11:05 min 1.5 mile at my last PRT for the Navy. I should get a few laughs out this one :)...but oh well, I asked for it. That's about it for my numbers though man. Good Luck at the next level.
T-Mac said:
posted on January 1, 2007 12:18 AM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Diggs, my boys are houndin me right now, but I wanted to holla at ya quick. Those numbers are good at that weight bro. Try this for me. Do about 30-33 push-ups then start with the 225lbs. I'm not an expert, but I think you'll find that you will have more power for longer if you maybe try and start with the push-ups. Benching 315 is good Diggs. Who gives a sh*t about folks laughin about runnin a 11:05 minute mile and a half? The guys that will laugh are the same ones sittin on the couch with a Dr Pepper and a bag of Cheetos! Diggs, I hate runnin bro. I guess that's why I'm a tailback. Ha Ha. What I do when I do my miles is I put 2 rolls of quarters in each pocket and wear my ankle weights. This will get your time down for sure. Diggs, do this and you'll be in the low 9's on that mile and a half bro. That's really not that bad on cardio Diggs. Warm-up with good-ole-fashioned push-ups and start with 225#. Do 10-15 push-ups in between each set. Keep up with the weight-lifting Diggs. I would like to see you benching 405# by June. That's 6 months from now. You can go up 90# in 6 months. 405# bench-press by June 1st Diggs. Make it happen. I gotta go. My boys are doggin me up in here. Ya Boy. T-Mac
T-Mac said:
posted on January 1, 2007 2:52 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
VOLPIMP, Man I was wrong on the Tenn/Penn St game bro. Tennessee just played completely flat to me. No intensity at all. I really thought Tenn was going to win that game by about 3 TD's. Those 2 announcers were very biased for Penn State. It got sickening to hear it after a while. I thought the guys calling the game were supposed to be fair and impartial.
gatorhippy said:
posted on January 1, 2007 6:17 PM — 70.121.109.213 — link — abuse?
Diggsy:
I don't know if you should be so excited about beating an unranked team missing three starters by 3 points...
Especially when WVU had to come from behind and score 21 in the third to eke bout the W...
That said...
Congrats on the Gator Bowl win...
It gives the 'Eers somthing to build on...
Tom Blogical said:
posted on January 1, 2007 8:33 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse?
AUtigerman (#563):
Apparently, it's been lost on you that the 2 wins the Big 10(11) has in bowl games were against SEC teams today.
T-Mac said:
posted on January 1, 2007 8:35 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
pumba, you shouldn't be talking smack the way USC just stomped the Wolves bro. Michigan was completely out-played in every aspect of the game. Don't hate on the SEC because you are pissed that Michigan lost bro. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 1, 2007 8:43 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy,
yeah, you talk about GT's missing players? I guess the fact that Slaton barely played, Pat Whites ankle sprain, not to mention Antonio Lewis's family member just died a day ago in a car crash had absolutely nothing to do with our play. You talk about 3 starters for GT that didn't play? Who Reggie Ball? News flash......Ball sucks (no pun intended). The only reason they were able to put up that many points was because of their back-up. If the Coach would have started him way earlier in the year ...... GT might have done better(what a jackass). "WAIT".,....I know they would have!
michiganfan said:
posted on January 1, 2007 8:57 PM — 24.210.197.18 — link — abuse?
you know whats funny U. of S.C 1978 michigan did deserved it because usc lost to ucla but if you would have lost to your rival you definetly would have deserved the spot USC has a great team and i knew michigan would struggle against them because they always do. and Lloyd car was out coached like he is in almost every game. i am glad we even made it to the rosebowl becasue we werent supposed to this year we have a good team but michigan just came out flat and congrats to the Trojans this might be a rematch next year both teams returning good players iam not crying because of it and not every michigan fan think they should play osu in the nc i live in ohio and i know plenty of michigan fans that dont think they should but anyhow congrats to USC
gatorhippy said:
posted on January 1, 2007 9:08 PM — 70.121.109.213 — link — abuse?
Diggsy (#565):
Exactly, my point...
With Reggie being so bad, Tech almost beat WVU with the guy that backs him up...
Not to mention, the 'Eers defense looked pourous at best once again...
Thank God for Pat White...
'Cuz WVU would have been screwed without out him...
Hell, I gotta say I fully expected this to be a full on WVU route even with Slaton/White injuries...
Pretty disapointed in the 'Eers performance...
I really expected better from them...
The Mayor said:
posted on January 1, 2007 9:09 PM — 24.7.54.200 — link — abuse?
New Drinking Game for Oregon Ducks fans.
1. Anytime there is a reference to the OU/UO Game and "controversial" ending...take a drink.
2. Anytime Bob Stoops whines...take a drink.
3. Anytime Bob Stoops whines about the controversial Duck game, which he claims is beyond him now, take two drinks.
I am already through a bottle of Schramsberg, the first quarter isn't even over.
Go Broncos.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 1, 2007 9:15 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy,
I'd be better off explaining the Reggie Ball thing to a "LD" Student, Let me try and break this down for you. Like I said, GT was way better off without Ball. THe back-up should have started every game, the Coach is a "Jackass", and now everyone knows this, except you.....because you can't seem to grasp this concept yet? WHY? gatorhippy, were you an "LD" student?
AUtigerman said:
posted on January 1, 2007 9:16 PM — 68.1.33.227 — link — abuse?
Hey someone needs to tell Boise State they cant win this game. BCS is convinced that noone outside the BCS conferences other then Notre Dame could ever be good enough to win anything. Stop the insanity and bring on a playoff please
U. of S.C.1978 said:
posted on January 1, 2007 9:49 PM — 24.158.44.74 — link — abuse?
ok michiganfan, based on your post I am ready to concede that you are a fan first and intelligent second. All true fans are that way. Can we agree that the voting pro's, (coaches), are more knowledge about all of this and that conference politics aside, the majority of them got it right?
gatorhippy said:
posted on January 1, 2007 10:10 PM — 70.121.109.213 — link — abuse?
Diggsy (#569):
I'll just ignore your weak personal attack as undoubtedly the type of wizardry that probably led you to pick on the "LD" kids when you were but a whelp in HS...
Whether he's better or not he's still the backup and only got the start due to Ball's academic shortcomings...
If "the Coach" (that would be Chan Gailey, since it seems you don't know his name) is such a "Jackass" for starting Ball all this time...
Logic would then seem to dictate that the "Jackass" almost outcoached Rich Rod today...
With the GT backup QB...
I think you might be a bit confused on Tech and WVU's defensive situations today...
Tech CB Jamal Lewis was involved in a car crash that killed a family friend whom was driving the vehicleand did not play in the Gator Bowl...
The second starting CB Tech lost before this game; the third starter missing in all...
On the other hand...
WVU CB Antonio Lewis spent the day at the Gator Bowl in a secondary getting burned by future NFL WR Calvin Johnson and returned a kickoff for 23 yards...
Contrary to your contention...
Diggs, the real question here seems to be:
Given that you don't even know who is playing for WVU in it's bowl game...
How is anybody to take your opinion seriously?
CommonManCommonSense said:
posted on January 1, 2007 10:39 PM — 72.8.77.189 — link — abuse?
What does mid-major mean anyway. There seem to be good teams everywhere. I call once again for a playoff including the conference champions of each D-1 conference. Argue all you want, but anyone from Boise to BYU can and do beat teams from the "elite" conferences. For at least one half of the game BSU is simply a better team than OU.
Start playing great intersectional rivalry games that don't count, but create great interest, and rely on conference champions to set up the bowl/playoff system. Maybe Miami will play the men of Troy instead of Troy University if they didn't feel the need to go undefeated just to be in the hunt.
Once again the elite is bing shown that these 2 star athletes with heart can complete with spoiled five stars with poor attitudes.
GA Boy said:
posted on January 1, 2007 10:46 PM — 66.110.197.20 — link — abuse?
Can you believe that USC lost to UCLA? They put on a clinic today in the 2nd half. I think they could have beat anybody today. It's a shame they blew it against UCLA or they could have won another National Championship. Good game Trojans!
I know LSU will beat Notre Dame. Not sure about the FLA/OSU game after the whipping I saw State and the Badgers put on TN and Ark.
I do know that next year the DAWGS will be back in the BCS mix. VA Tech got a little taste of what Stafford will do next year. The kid is a winner. GO DAWGS!!T-Mac said:
posted on January 1, 2007 10:50 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Props to USC. Respect. I give credit where credit is due. I had USC winning by 7. They won by 14. USC looked good in every aspect of the game. The Trojans played lights out defense for real. I also thought Chad Henne did a great job. He did have some dropped passes. Henne will have a long career in the NFL as will JD Booty. Dwayne Jarrett had a career day. The Michigan defensive coor needs to coach blitzing! All in all it was a great game in my opinion.
Congrats Trojans
AUtigerman said:
posted on January 1, 2007 11:14 PM — 68.1.33.227 — link — abuse?
Thanks Boise State for once again proving that the BCS dosent work.Only a neandrathal would think that a national champion must come from one of the 5 BCS conferences with the exception of Notre Dame. This is football and should be played on a field not a computer. How much longer will they make us wait for a playoff arrrrgh
baylorboy said:
posted on January 1, 2007 11:17 PM — 69.154.240.142 — link — abuse?
T-Mac,
I agree,the Trojans are a very inpresive team.With JDB,Jarrett,a couple of good WRs,and a O-line that stops the best defensive end in the nation.The Trojans offense were great.Also the USC defense is amazing.They were stoping Hart every down,and the secondary is good to.I liked that pick that set up the 10-3 lead over the wolves in the 3rd QTR.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 1, 2007 11:26 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy,
"Given that you don't even know who is playing for WVU in it's bowl game..."
Uh, you don't even know what your talking about.... I never said that Slaton, White, and Lewis wasn't playing????
Try "HOOKED ON PHONICS" for your reading and then try to work on your reading comprehension before you post false non-sense like that.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 1, 2007 11:33 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy,
I thought I may be of assistance to you...Here's a link:
http://www.literacy.uconn.edu/compre.htm
(you might want to begin at the 3rd-4th grade level).
gatorhippy said:
posted on January 1, 2007 11:38 PM — 70.121.109.213 — link — abuse?
Diggsy (#581):
So where is the story on Lewis's family member that died in a car crash...
Please post me the link...
This is exactly what you meant, don't try to cover your tracks now after getting called out...
Just admit you got confused, dude...
Nothing wrong with it it happens to everybody...
BTW, I personally feel WVU actually played consistent to how they've played all season...
It was typical Rich Rod football...
Offense is the best defense...
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 2, 2007 12:13 AM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy,
Being confused about who's family member died in a car crash, and who played in a game are 2 different things there gatorhippy. So I don't know what tracks I have to cover about WVU's players actually "playing in the game"? I may have been confused with which players family actually died, but you still posted eroneous comments about who I thought played in the game, when I never said that Slaton, White and Lewis didn't play.
post#583 proves once again that you still have not mastered reading comprehension even after I gave you the workbooks to practice with. Wow!
gatorhippy said:
posted on January 2, 2007 12:24 AM — 70.121.109.213 — link — abuse?
Diggsy (#581 &582):
FYI, reading programs based on phonetics do not focus on reading comprehension...
Thus children taught by phonetics alone will not improve their comprehension of material read...
They will basically be able to read and pronounce what is put in front of them but have no idea what any of it meant...
However, in reading comprehension we teach a term and method referred to as judgemental inferrment...
This is the task of taking parts of a passage or exchange between characters, determining what has been established concretely and then use personal knowledge to attempt to determine what has been left as unclear or confusing by the writer...
Thus, a snippet of your passage from post 567...
"yeah, you talk about GT's missing players? I guess the fact that Slaton barely played, Pat Whites ankle sprain, not to mention Antonio Lewis's family member just died a day ago in a car crash had absolutely nothing to do with our play. You talk about 3 starters for GT that didn't play? Who Reggie Ball?"
As the dialogue was focused on GT players missing the game and your lack of clarity in your statements...
The inference here is that all three players missed the game for WVU...
However, I assumed you knew that both Slaton and White were there on the field...
As well as...
Knowing the story behind the tragedy that Jamal Lewis is currently facing that kept him out of the Gator Bowl game for GT...
The inferrence can easily be mistakemly made your intention was that Antonio Lewis didn't play...
My suggestion to you would be to examine your writing style and determine what you can do to improve it in order to more effectively communicate...
I would suggest:
"How to Write Successfully in High School and College" by Barbara Lenmark-Ellis
It's a great text that will help you hammer out some of the difficulties you appear to be having in clarity while giving strategies for analytical and argumentitive writing as well...
The Mayor said:
posted on January 2, 2007 12:57 AM — 24.7.54.200 — link — abuse?
Great game Broncos!
I can't tell you how happy it made me to see Whiner Nation lose tonite even with all the crazy bounces that came their way. They were just plain OUT COACHED at the end.
Game of the year in my opinion.
gatorhippy said:
posted on January 2, 2007 1:08 AM — 70.121.109.213 — link — abuse?
Mayor (#599):
Agreed...
Stoops was flat out bestedin the cerebral end tonight...
Peterson has to carry his balls in a backpack because there's no way those brass coconuts are fitting in his pants...
Awe inspiring guttsy call playing...
And clutch play from ENTIRE Boise St. side...
gatorhippy said:
posted on January 2, 2007 1:11 AM — 70.121.109.213 — link — abuse?
Just a thought...
Think Bama could lure Chris P. from BSU...
I know all the talk is on Saban, but...
If Petersen isn't being considered for some HC jobs with the big boys, their is some seriously dense AD's out there...
The Mayor said:
posted on January 2, 2007 1:25 AM — 24.7.54.200 — link — abuse?
Man, what a great New Years Day. I don't know about you guys but I'm exhausted. Happy New Year everyone, looking forward to a fantastic 2007 Season.
USC has already been crowned as the #1 Team in the land for next season...I sure hope Arizona Cardinals land Carroll and the entire team declares for the draft.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 2, 2007 1:42 AM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
I think that the NCAA should put a limit on the salary that schools can pay a Head Coach for his duties. That way all these attempts at robbing coaches from other conferences will most likely end. Put a limit on the coaches salary and make them out-coach the opponents to keep their jobs that they currently have.
Tomcat said:
posted on January 2, 2007 5:20 AM — 69.151.99.83 — link — abuse?
Mayor,Diggs,gatorhippy Great game congrats to the Bois St Broncos.Too many sports fans listen to too much{media hype}stats, predictions from so-called experts etc.etc.I picked Boise from early on and argued with everybody who said that stuff like about how they didnt play anybody bla bla bla. 2006 Boise St Nat Champs dont laugh?
Oklahoma lost to Oregon
Oregon got drove by BYU
Oregon St beat Oregon
Boise whuped Oregon st.
Oregon St. beat USC
USC beat Mich
UCLA beat USC
FSU beat UCLA
Fla beat FSU
AU beat Fla
Ark beat AU
USC beat Ark
Ga beat AU
Vandy beat Ga
Ga beat V Tech
WV beat Ga Tech
Louis beat WV
RU beat Louis
RU beat K State
WV beat RU
K st beat OK St.
Penn St beat Tenn
Tenn beat Cal
Cal beat A&M
A&M beat Ok St
Ok St beat Alabama
Ok State beat Neb
Ark beat Tenn
A&M beats Tex
Tex beats OU
OU beats A&M
K State beats Texas
Baylor beats K State
Texas beats Baylor
Baylor beats Colo
Colo beats TTech
TTech beats Minn
Missu beats TTech
Oregon St beats Missu
Baylor beats KU
KU beats K St
Wow 2006 shows alot of feirce competition
I honestly beleive that the whole country is screaming for a better system.
The teams from Mid-Majors deserve a shot
TCU, BYU, Utah and others can compete.
Boise St #1 Nat Champ? they are undefeated
They beat OU
Texas beat OU Oregon beat OU
OU only got by A&M because of coaching mistakes squeezed by a short and curly
Payoffs ? plus one game ? Hookem-HornsTommie Trojan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 9:13 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
M GO BLUE & PopsMich:
I can't hear you. Where you at, oh wise one, Pops? How long you been around? How many times do you have to get the lesson?
M GO BLUE:
Did you check your "depends" for that Wolverine crap? You never did tell me what it looked like. What does it look like?
Boyz, I couldn't have explained it to you any better than I did. Did it look anything like I told you that it was gonna look like? Remember this always, that Michigan and Ohio State do not play in the PAC, and that the PAC ownes the Big10. Now, shut the fugk up!
Tommie T
OU Fan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 9:23 AM — 139.139.161.12 — link — abuse?
The Fiesta Bowl was good, hard fought game. Unfortunately, my Sooners couldn't pull it off at the end which hurts, but thats part of life. With the type of crazy, miraculous, and insane plays that the Broncos were able to pull off at the end, they more than deserved to win. It always sucks when your team loses at the last possible second, but once again thats part of football. Oh, and to the guy who calls himself the Mayor, your Ducks had to have help from the Pac 10 refs to beat the Whiner Nation. Oregon had 1 timeout left. If the football had went to OU, the Sooners would have ran the clock out. You know it, I know it, and the world knows it. Just remember that. Oh, and the Ducks changing their uniforms every year will not make them a better team. And Tomcat, the Sooners lost to a team that was 12-0. Your Horns had lost to a then 6-4 KSU team. And once again, Boise State deserved the win. But I bet every dollar that I will ever make in my life time that the Broncos will NEVER win a national championship. Go Sooners!
AllEers said:
posted on January 2, 2007 10:01 AM — 162.129.27.201 — link — abuse?
So far all's well that ends well...
WVU Bball sticks it to UConn.
WVU football ekes one out on GT (Coach Rod, thank you for the adjustments...I have faith that you were holding out for just the right time to release the blitz package :) Pat White, wow...)
Rutgers puts it in the bag easy.
Boise State with the win!!! Bring on the parity! The "big boy" conference blinders are starting to come off me thinks.
Here's to Louisville capping off a great Big East season and GO BUCKEYES.howIfeel said:
posted on January 2, 2007 10:30 AM — 66.153.237.32 — link — abuse?
Like i said....Boise got a decent bowl...should've gotten a shot at #1..yessir..re-affirms the need for a playoff !! WOW..and you michigan boys thought your game with ohio was good....thanks Boise and Oklahoma for a magical game..THE BEST EVER IN MY 58 YRS !!!
M GO BLUE said:
posted on January 2, 2007 10:33 AM — 216.46.213.219 — link — abuse?
Yo Tommie,Congrats! USC outplayed and OUTCOACHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Michigan,Oh and did'nt you say to check my pants at halftime? well I did and I could'nt beleive how horrible our offenses had been,but no surprise here. Here is post #410 by me on DEC 27 -
"Tommie,the first few games of the year I thought our O-line was terrible and they were,but I think it's taking a while for the zone blocking to warm up,but it has,and that showed in the Ohio State game. You are right about Dwayne Jarrett running Past the Michigan secondary,because that's our weakest point,and honestly overall our D is average,due to our secondary......what?.....Oh sorry I guess we don't have a secondary."
Actually I saw it coming ever since the OSU, game,because they were the first team to try to beat Michigan,with an all out pass attack,and Pete Caroll being the great coach he is saw this and exploited it.
Also I will say the better coaching staff showed themselves,as the game was tied at the half,but Pete Caroll fixed the problems and came out smoking,but it's always the same at Michigan,our coaches don't like to change much during a game much like Nebraska does.
Me and my brother were watching in agony as Chad henne continued to take the snap under center and by the time he ran back 35 yards and was finally ready to throw the football,there were about five guys in his face,my simple solution? SHOTGUN! SHOTGUN! SHOTGUN! YOU IDIOT CARR! I HAVE NEVER COACHED FOOTBALL BUT IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT THEY NEEDED TO RUN MORE PLAYS IN THE S.H.O.T.G.U.N.But anyway,USC played a GREAT game!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 10:59 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
M GO BLUE:
Yeh, I told you that you wouldn't run it. That was the problem. I was surprised that Jarrett so totally dominated them. The fact is: UCLA had what you call "speed rush" type of DE's. They are smaller and quicker. They were able to get around the much slower OT Kyle Williams. Michigan has bigger, stronger and a little slower DE's. This enabled the OT's to get a little leverage on them. This slowed them down just enough for Booty to get the passes off. Man, I mean it's just a split second of timing, that can create all that damage. They also moved Booty out of the pocket alot in this game. That got him more time also, and allowed the WR's to get down the field, where Booty could make the kinda throws that he likes to make. I was a little worried myself in the 1st half, as that game was goin' too much like I thought it would, and nobody was gonna score. I even thought that one TD would win it. I got real upset when Booty fumbled it down around the 20 in the 2nd quarter. I thought that may have been our shot the way that 1st half was going. Henne did a great job. If he wasn't being pressured - he was makin' plays. Problem is, you can't have full on pass rushes all game long, lest everybody where themselves out. So, everytime they dropped back into a Tampa2 or 4-3 Under, Henne would hook up. It looked pretty scary even into the 4th quarter. When it was 18-11 - I thought Michigan might come roarin' back. But, It was USC that made all the big plays after that. We may hook up again next year. It'll be interesting. I look for USC, Michigan, LSU, Texas and Florida to all be right there next year. Ohio State and Oklahoma will have a tough time replacing QB's. Next year should be another dogfight.
Tommie T
PopsMich said:
posted on January 2, 2007 1:31 PM — 149.173.6.51 — link — abuse?
TT: Where have I been? See Post 568. Done! Immediately after the game.
I'm a stand up guy, and think you are, too. I'll ignore your last post. Calm down, tone down and act your age, especially when addressing me.
I thought they were replaying the 2004 game with the blitz from the edge and sacks. I didn't realize until the game was over that it was THIS YEAR's game :)
Now all kidding aside, you keep doing what you do in this game until the other guy answers. Well, if we play again you should keep coming, since we obviously haven't figured it out, yet.
It's also unfair that UM plays with only 9 defenders. Seriously, that secondary is high school caliber as exposed by OSU and now USC. That is the beauty of CFB, since all teams have a weakest link in the chain waiting to be exploited.
That link for UM has been no secret. Heck, I really thought Cato June played his last game at UM. I was shocked to see him in the NFL with Indy and UM teammate Marlin Jackson. Now I certainly am NOT shocked that Indy can't tackle and stop the run. They learned their trade in UM's secondary.
Alarmingly, UM tried taking a look at the backups during the Ball State game and THEY had to be rescued. That my friend was a wake up call if any. Strangely, Morgan Trent responded pre-game to USC's chop licking by saying "we've changed things since OSU and are ready" for Jarrett. Doesn't look good for '07 (at present).
BTW, the "road game" excuse doesn't apply since we won at South Bend and were competitive in Columbus.
Lastly, we don't have NFL caliber coaching. Its safe to say the NFL isn't knocking on Carr's door. USC and OSU must literally lick their chops when planning for these games.
Maybe our DC will figure it out for '07. He did a great job this year and gave UM hope after years of bend and break under Jim Hermann (who ironically is in the Playoffs with the NY Jets - mind blowing).
It's a long time until next season. We'll be there.
AUtigerman said:
posted on January 2, 2007 3:06 PM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
Hats off to the Big East conference.After hearing all year how they dont belong in the BCS looks like they may finish 5-0 in bowl games.Louisville got very little air time to be in the national title hunt. A Florida, Lousville matchup would have been a great game.
Zac said:
posted on January 2, 2007 3:51 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
Luke: If you produce it, I'll direct it. But we better act fast. Yours is the 2nd time I heard somebody say, that Boise St/OU game was a made for TV movie, right down to the proposal at the end.
Which reminds me; gatorhippy, Post 610, take your left hand and slap your right hand with it. Thank you. Now, quit being such a bad boy, and Luke & I just might make a movie if FL beats OSU. Though I don’t think it’ll have the same David Vs Goliath appeal; more like Sparta Vs Troy.
Tomcat: You forgot to include Missu beat KS; KS beat KS St; KS beat S FL, & S FL (Damn it all!), ahem, beat WVU. Hey, you take the good with the bad. After all, WVU did beat MD, who beat FSU, who beat UCLA, who beat USC, who beat MI. And, no, Tommy T.; I'm not saying what it looks like I'm saying. I’m not even saying what I’m thinking. I’m not even thinking what I’m thinking. Come to think of it, I don’t know what I’m thinking. Wata country!!!
howIfeel: Tommy T has all the class he needs. It's all low, and that's perfect for this blog.
By the way, not all of the stories had a happy ending. I live in the land of the Corn Huskers. There be a lot of dirges playing round here.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 4:51 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Zac:
And you know who's gonna have me lookin' like a fool again? That's right, my favorite coach, Bill Callahan. You know my bet with Mooka was that the PAC might outdo the SEC - not possible because of ol' Billy Boy. What a "box of rocks" that dude is. Nebraska has driven into FG range. Auburn leads 17-14 with less than a minute left. Oh, instead of poundin' Jackson straight up the gut three times for a few more yards and then the field goal: no it's sweep right (three yard loss), delayed draw 5-6 yards deep (-5 more yards) - wella, the Huskers are out of FG range. Next up, on 4th and infinity, a sideline throw that sails 20 yards over the WR's head, game over! Way to snatch defeat from a sure tie and a chance in OT - Callahan. Somebody needs to fire this clown and get Frank Solich back over there so that you guys can return to playing Husker ball. This guy is a joke. The Raider's have never recovered yet from this moron. Maybe Brady Quinn can eventually do it.
Tommie T
So Cal USMC said:
posted on January 2, 2007 5:01 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Tommy T,
Where was THAT "David Booty" a month ago ???!
Fugkin dik-head. Coulda, woulda, shoulda, I guess... but this Rose Bowl performance adds a lot of optimism for next season; I didnt think he was capable of THAT!... That last scoring-drive -- reminiscent of the USC Machine that we've all come to admire.
I'm thinking that he was covering up an injury or something back around the UCLA game. His moblility was noticably improved right away at the start of the game. (whats-their-names commented on it too, BreTt and Herbcrest and those guys)
The Mayor said:
posted on January 2, 2007 5:11 PM — 24.7.54.200 — link — abuse?
OU Fan #624
I have admitted on numerous occasions that OU got jobbed in Eugene. What you and the press fail to address is that OU still had a chance to defeat the Ducks that day but Stoops couldn't rally the coaches and the troops after the injustice.
The press always treats that horrible call on the onside kick as though IT WAS the last play of the game (which it should have been). But Oregon then went on to score a TD with less than a minute to go and blocked a field goal for the win on the last play of the game. That is never mentioned.
Coach Stoops last night on ABC said the Sooners put that call behind them "two days" after the game in Eugene...really? Why are we still talking about it?
Again, I have admitted that OU should have won the UO game multiple times. I already asked Bellotti to mail in the forfeit paperwork. What else do you want?
On the Bronco blog there is already talk by Sooner fans of clock manipulation and a TD that should have been called back. Whine on boys.
I know there are some quality Sooner fans out there, I met a bunch in San Diego and in Eugene, my apologies to them for the Whiner Nation crack...good luck to OU in 2007.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 5:27 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC:
Yeh, I heard that about Booty might have been hurt. Not buyin' it. He was tryin' to get away hard enough. No, those "speed rushin'" ends of FUCLA's were too quick for Williams. He could not get any leverage on them. The DE's for Michigan were bigger, stronger and slower. No matter, none will be as strong as a 305 lb OT. They were just slow enough that Baker and Williams could get a lick on them. Booty was never really having to run. He had time. That split second also allowed for Jarrett to get behind the secondary also. It's a real little thing - but it made all the difference. If Booty has time to throw - he'll kill you. You saw Henne doin' the same thing when the Trojans went back to the "zone coverages" instead of the "all out blitzes". You can on rush the passer so much though. Those FUCLA DE's never wore down the whole game. It was some kinda miracle or something. It'll never happen again.
Tommie T
So Cal USMC said:
posted on January 2, 2007 5:41 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Thats another thing... I fully expected that UCLA would beat Florida State (both underacheiving teams). It woulda capped off a good season for them. Just when I started believing in UCLA's Coaching improvement... they go out and Lose.
They got the Talent to be the No. 2 team in the PAC next season, but they still dont have the right stuff where it counts.
Tomcat said:
posted on January 3, 2007 12:21 AM — 69.153.88.240 — link — abuse?
#624 OU Fan I'll remind you that OU lost to
Texas 28-10 without the Refs, Peterson was healthy and played on a neutral site.
#638 Mr.Mayor I agree with you 100%
#636 Tommie T I agree, good post.Fran at A&M does the same kinda thing example your behind in the 4th quarter by 7 points two long running drives intead of going for it on fourth down twice they kick feild goals and lose by 1 point.
Unfortunatly for the Aggs they beat UT, that means Fran stays another year.
#634 Zac good post. I was trying to show the parity of CFB.2006 wasnt a down year, but on the contrary one of the most competitive years.
Hookem-Horns Go Gators
Luke said:
posted on January 3, 2007 1:43 AM — 67.35.110.26 — link — abuse?
Well guys, I just got back from the Orange Bowl, and honestly, it kind of sucked. I mean first of all I really didn't care which team won, since i'm against the ACC and Big east. There were so many redneck fat Louisville fans it was crazy.
I went with some friends and wore all my UF gear and got a lot of cheers. I sat in the louisville section but I rooted for the Deacons just cuz I hate the big east with a passion, even though I made $50 on Louisville. And I don't know how you big east fans and WVU fans put up with those louisville fans. They are the most annoying people I have ever sat with in my life. I mean I live in gainesville so I would know what rednecks are like, but Louisville fans make gainesville seem like new york city. There's some big east bashing for you Diggs.
Good job making me $50 though. But the sad part is you guys had trouble with Wake Forest of all teams.
Tomcat said:
posted on January 3, 2007 1:46 AM — 69.153.88.240 — link — abuse?
Hey T-Mac Yes great Bowls The boys from Wake ought to be proud, they played hard and had an outstanding season,a couple of turnovers really made the difference.
I had Auburn over Nebraska, however I was really surprized that it was so close.I really enjoyed watching Boise St over OU, that was an exciting finish to a great game.Loved the first quarter too.
Ive got LSU over ND
Fla over OhSU
Of course I had the Ark over Wisc ? didnt get to see much of it, seems like there were four good ones on at the same time.
The Penn St. over the Vols was a good game as was the FSU over UCLA
How bout them Dawgs over the Hookies that was fun to watch.
Hey T-Mac you noticed that those Clemson Tigers and Wolvirines aren't bloging two heavy anymore.
Really a great year, alot of really good 2,3 and 4 loss teams. Did you see TTech vs Minn ?
Hookem HornsScott 51 said:
posted on January 3, 2007 11:22 AM — 216.135.81.2 — link — abuse?
Luke,
What kind of a dumbass goes to the considerable time and expense of heading to a bowl game they have no interest in?
Still, I guess it doesn't matter to a big money guy like you who's willing to throw down a whopping $50 down on a game.
Sorry you didn't enjoy the game, big-spender. Even though it was way too close for comfort, this Louisville Redneck sure did.
Luke said:
posted on January 3, 2007 1:36 PM — 67.35.110.26 — link — abuse?
Haha scott you idiot. Don't insult me when you don't know what you are talking about. First of all my friend got free tickets and he offered me one, and who turns down free tickets no matter how bad the teams are for the orange bowl?
Also, the free tickets had a price of $200 on them so I don't know where you got $50 from. Just because you sit in the worst seats doesn't mean I do. From a first hand witness, let me tell you guys, the Big East and ACC had a down year and that game confirmed it with all of those random fumbles.
Scott 51 said:
posted on January 3, 2007 2:56 PM — 216.135.81.2 — link — abuse?
Luke,
your idiocy apparently knows no bounds. The $50 I was referring to was your puny bet that you mentioned. As in putting money "on" a game. There's also a thing called a "points spread" and the "under/over" and the 'juice"....oh never mind. I'm sure it's too much for you to take in anyhow.
GO CARDS!Zac said:
posted on January 3, 2007 4:54 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
That's it, Luke; no movie deal with you; I'm going with Spielberg. I was ragging all year on the ACC. Other than Wake, it looked as if the Big East owned that conference. Tell you what; after WVU played GA Tech, and after seeing the game between Louisville & Wake, I clearly didn't give the ACC enough credit. Not to mention, a lot of people are saying Wake's a one-hit-wonder. Not so fast, my friends. That QB for Wake returns with 15 other starters on both sides of the ball. Next year, Wake could easily be as good or better. The question is this: How will they react to the hype of high expectations?
Which brings me to another question: The Game Day gang offered this scenario just before MI/USC: If FL beat OSU in a tight, low-scoring game, decided by 3 or fewer points, and MI destroyed UCS, would MI then be deserving of the National Title? Well, we all know what happened in the Rose Bowl. We also know what happened in the Fiesta Bowl. Heck, Boise St not only won it, they held Adrian Peterson to under 80 yards for the entire game, including OT. (I think his 25 yard TD run in OT was his long for the game.) That having been said, if FL does beat OSU in a sloppy, low-scoring, 1-3 point margin affair, is Boise St, the only unbeaten team, worthy of the National Championship? I, for one, say yes. The basis: They beat 11-3 Hawaii (beat AS St), 9-4 San Jose St (beat NM), 8-5 Nevada (lost by 1 to Miami), 8-5 Utah (beat Tulsa), 10-4 OR St (beat Mizzu), and now the 11-3 Big 12 Champions. That’s 6 bowl teams which went 5-1 in their respective bowls, and hold a combined record of 57-24. If that’s not championship material, I don’t know what is. I’m not saying FL’s claim would neither be legit nor arguable, were they to defeat OSU. However, if they do, and it’s real close, I think the very least that happens is a split National Title. Just another plug for a play-off.
Tomcat said:
posted on January 3, 2007 10:49 PM — 69.153.88.240 — link — abuse?
#649 Zac Well put I agree
Luke Sorry dude I just dont understand wearing UF gear at a game that does not feature UF.
We attended the UT vs Iowa game in S.A. and saw people at the tailgate 1 wearing Rutgers, 1 wearing TCU and a couple of Aggies. Sorry man but if I wore UT gear to a Arkansas game or Oklahoma game I would probably be lucky to survive unscathed. Geaux Tigers Go Gators
Hookem-HornsGA Boy said:
posted on January 3, 2007 10:53 PM — 66.110.197.20 — link — abuse?
Well, maybe just the 50 yard line. Notre Dame is hanging in there for now. When LSU starts that little pass out in the flats this quarter, they are going to blow this thing away. The speed of LSU is going to take away any chance the Irish have. I gotta say it's closer than I thought it would be at this point.
GA Boy said:
posted on January 3, 2007 11:04 PM — 66.110.197.20 — link — abuse?
Charlie needs to take some notes. That's how you run a fake. I remember in 2003 we were tied with LSU 10-10 and they hit the prettiest screen to Addai. He went about 70 yards down the sideline. It looked like everybody else was standing still. They beat us 17-10. They beat us again in the SEC Championship 34-17 and went on to win a National Championship. These are some bad boys this year too.
GA Boy said:
posted on January 3, 2007 11:16 PM — 66.110.197.20 — link — abuse?
Was it just me or did it look like Jesus showed up in Alabama today? Those hicks are fired up about Saban coming to town. I hope he has a good game plan. He's got Arkansas, DAWGS, FSU, Vols, LSU, and Auburn to deal with. If he gets through that unbeaten the should give hime another million!! GO DAWGS.
C-DOGG said:
posted on January 4, 2007 12:10 AM — 76.188.148.131 — link — abuse?
Irish fans,
This beatdown should shut you guys up for the offseason. How disheartening must it be to know that your team SUCKS, is overrated, lost 9 bowl games in a row, and still be in denial about it? Everyone predicted your demise. See my post#27.
The Mayor said:
posted on January 4, 2007 12:43 AM — 24.7.54.200 — link — abuse?
Diggs,
IJT was very quiet this season don't you think?
Tell me the Raiders are not going to draft Brady Quinn?
Which is uglier, the " 1989 white addidas and khaki slacks" coaching outfits that the Irish coaching staff wears or any of the Duck uniforms?
How long until the Irish faithful start calling for Charlie's head?
Once again, the most painful thing to hear in college football is that damn "over-rated" chant that the Tigers laid down on the Irish tonight...man I hate that more than anything.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 4, 2007 1:00 AM — 138.162.5.10 — link — abuse?
The Mayor,
Man, that 2nd half was "Ugly" for the irish, (notice the capital U)?
I mean total and complete domination, the pressure applied was enormous. I'll tell you what the Raiders have O-Line issues also...... so the Brady Quinn draft choice might not be a wise thing?.... as a matter of fact I know it won't.
If they do take Quinn and don't make major changes to the O-Line I'll feel sorry for Quinn come NFL pre-season :(
Mooka said:
posted on January 4, 2007 1:13 AM — 68.107.102.29 — link — abuse?
To Media:
Don't ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, hype up that F_____G ND Irish team and expect me to believe you again. I thought they actually had a good team this year(because that's what you said), but they still got their a__ handed to them royally from Mich, USC, and LSU all in one year, and that's on their good year???? What happened to the integrity of the BCS Bowl game? Couldn't there have been a more worthy opponent in the Sugar Bowl? It would be one thing if it was understood that, yea maybe they are not really deserving, but here they are. Instead all you get the whole game is the commentators singing songs of praise to the Fighting Irish. Until the 3rd quarter that is. You know, when the LSU Tiger defense showed up and shut all you Media Junkies up. Even your paid ref couldn't stop LSU from scoring. Find another team's D__K to suck.
Tomcat said:
posted on January 4, 2007 3:20 AM — 69.153.88.240 — link — abuse?
JTIrish come on out,Lick your wounds and face reality.One thing for certain is that JTirish is a loal supporter of his team.He likes to refleck on past glories of the four horseman ETc. Etc.
Rudy is actually one of our favorite films.
Please read post#352
ND has 12 Nat.Titles right?
How many does Yale have?
Yall really had a purty good season beat UCLA and Ga Tech. Nobody really hates ND we all love the traditional football powerhouses from years past and yalls future looks good.
Notre Dame always gets the media coverage, the high ranking and even BCS bowl bids without winning a conference and with two losses Congrats.IrishJT said:
posted on January 4, 2007 9:25 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Gotta hand it to LSU...they whooped us in the second half. Notre Dame better find a defense or a defensive coordinator. It was embarassing to watch and pathetic. I still believe Brady Quinn to be the best player in college football. He's just on a pretty average team. LSU will be ranked #2 at season's end. Good for them. They deserve it.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 4, 2007 9:59 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Why is everyone so surprised that Notre Dame got pounded by LSU? They do not have any talent. They are too slow to play with the better teams. They also lack size. Look at any game, if the defensive line looks bigger than the offensive line, that team is usually in trouble. I've had LSU rated 3rd or 4th all season - even after they lost two early. Everybody scoffed at how could I have LSU higher than Auburn or Florida. Anybody get it yet? I've had Notre Dame around #20 all year. Nobody has gotten that one either. I have been livid about this team getting BCS games that they do not deserve. I've been takin' knocks all year about "my rankings". Well, they're all pannin' out except for Clemson. They melted down. So did Oregon I suppose. But BYU and Hawaii have done fine. So has Louisville. People want to knock Louisville for "only" beating Wake by 11. I took Louisville and the -10.5 and won. In fact, going strictly with the numbers, I had entered a contest that could put me at the Sugar Bowl next year. My rating right now is at 99.85 against about 70,000 other players competing for the tickets. That's against the line. I'm still in 300th place with three games left. I won't win probably. But, that is a very high percentage. And, it's all done by using the "numbers". I had Michigan ranked down and USC ranked up all year. More laughs. What happened to Michigan?
Now, in defense of Charlie Weis. Notre Dame won only 11 games in the two seasons prior to Charlie's arrival. That included getting blown out by teams like Syracuse. Now, they have won 19 in the last two years and win the games that they are supposed to. Now, they're only getting "blown out" by the Michigan's, USC's and LSU's. They are supposed to. They do not have talent all over the field like these other teams do. But, Notre Dame had a fine recruiting year last year and is gonna have another stellar year now. They need two more. Notre Dame fans: Jimmy Clausen is not the savior. You had the best QB in the country in Brady Quinn. It did you no good. Until those offensive and defensive lines get up to snuff - you'll never beat the great programs. But, Charlie is doing a good job. Notre Dame has lost nine straight bowl games and sixteen straight against Top Ten opponents. They never deserve a BCS game until they start to end those trends.
Now, on to LSU. I was disappointed that JaMarcus had such a great game. I would have really liked for him to return. I would have liked to have USC and LSU next year. Keiland Williams is the next great back, and USC wanted him bad, but I don't think they can get there if Russell leaves. As bad as that Raider OL is - they would be better off with Russell as the QB. For the Raiders - that would be the better pick. I was hopin' that Russell would not pull a Vince Young in this game, so that he might return, but he's as good as gone now. If he had returned - I'd put them right there with USC next year.Tommie T
EER10 said:
posted on January 4, 2007 11:04 AM — 129.71.238.253 — link — abuse?
Luke, you are officially retarded. How could the
the Big East have a down year when:#1 M. Bush for the Cardinals is out and they still win the Orange Bowl and beat WVU in a #3 vs #5 matchup.
#2 West Virginia wins Gator without S. Slaton and a injured P. White against the ACC's 2nd best team ? Both of these RB's were up for the Heisman stupid. Do you have ADHD or something ? or are you really that stupid ?
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 4, 2007 11:46 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
EER10:
Luke has officially moved to the TOP OF THE LIST and has overtaken IrishJT as the official leader of "Most Stupid or Just Plain too Drunk to See Fan On Fanblogs". IrishJT has lost the lead because he has not been on here this morning babbling about how we all don't understand what "greatness" looks like. But Luke, with his comments about how the BE had a "down" year, now has a commanding lead on IrishJT.
Tommie Trojan
PopsMich said:
posted on January 4, 2007 1:37 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
TT: Having Michigan ranked "down" earlier this year was no accomplishment. They went 7-5 last year with essentially the same weapons. Their early season ranking was in the teens.
Going 11-0 was an accomplishment, and their end of season results put them about where they belong. Somewhere in the Top 10, but a notch below the best in 2006.
When are you launching your rankings for the public? Maybe you're the next Sagarin. Given your quantitative/technology background, I'm curious about the tools (software?) you're using. It seems more involved than simple Stats and Excel. Good luck in passing the 299 ahead of you.
CW said:
posted on January 4, 2007 1:42 PM — 66.226.45.182 — link — abuse?
Wake Forest,
Just got back from a great Orange Bowl! Wake showed real class. I read an earlier press release that mentioned WFU as supposed to have been last in the ACC! Their fans (while tailgating) were full of optimism and great sportsmanship! WFU played to the point of winning & several Cardinal fans afterward stated that "if it wasn't for the two key turnovers Wake would've run over us." The thing that sticks out the most about that game to me was that… I've never been to a game when the loosing fans stayed afterward and cheered for the winners! Takes a lot of class WFU fans!! Wish we had WFU in the SEC! Anyway WAKE fans keep your heads up & we will see you again in the next bowl season! Didn't Wake shut out FSU at FSU something like 31-0? Makes you wonder how a WFU & USCW match up next bowl season would fair?
T-Mac said:
posted on January 4, 2007 1:48 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
I thought Greatness had something to do with winning! Quinn could never come through in the clutch. JaMarcus Russell should have finished higher in the Heisman voting than Quinn. He will probably go on to have a great NFL career, but he choked in the games that mattered most.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 4, 2007 2:09 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
PopsMich:
The "numbers" are a little more complicated than I might lead on. All of these computer models do not figure in for the "amount of victory or loss". Those things are very important when figuring against the line. The line is not the actual ability of either team also. Like I've stated: LSU was about +16 better than Notre Dame on paper - but the line could only withstand +9.5 points. That's because there are too many stupid people who think that ND is better than they are. Now, since LSU has won by 27, there averages go up by about one point per game.
I knew that Michigan was 7-5 last year. They probably should have been 9-3. Probably the best 7-5 team ever. Can't even imagine a 7-5 Michigan team. But, I wasn't using numbers from last year. I was using numbers from this year only. And, Michigan is not as bad as USC made them look. USC played above their averages and Michigan played below. The averages said USC by 6. Michigan lost by 14. Each team played only four above or below their collective averages. If that had been the reverse - then Michigan wins by two. That's how this game goes. USC is not that superior to Michigan. And, UCLA is not superior to USC. USC should have beaten UCLA by 14. They lost by 4. In that one - USC played nine points worse and UCLA played 9 points better. There are many greater disparages in the numbers. Each team does not play exactly the same each week. It's impossible to do. That's why they play the games. Anybody could beat anybody just about anytime - except for Notre Dame of course.Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 4, 2007 2:33 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Oh-Oh:
Here comes IrishJT charging hard to the inside tryin' to reclaim the coveted crown of "Dumbest Azz on Fanblogs". Luke still has edged him out with ATLien takin' the outside headin' for home. I gotta admire ol' IrishJT though: this guy wants this championship bad!
Tommie T
EER10 said:
posted on January 4, 2007 2:39 PM — 129.71.238.253 — link — abuse?
IrishJT: Is that all you have to say ?
"Greatness looks and acts like Brady Quinn" are you F'in kidding me ? I will let you in on something. You, the Notre Dame fan are the biggest reason why people hate you so much.You talk down and belittle others and their programs constantly. I think greatness looks and acts more like the entire LSU TIGERS football team, not one (1) overrated QB from a overrated football program. Get out of the Big East, no one really wants you.
Mooka said:
posted on January 4, 2007 2:52 PM — 68.107.102.29 — link — abuse?
Harvin,
You got that right. I am still waiting for the day that LSU can play a game a not make too many mistakes, or get screwed by refs. I don't know if some of you noticed, but the reason LSU looked sloppy was be/c of JaMarcus Russell. I am NOT knocking his abilities. His only problem is he gets too comfortable with his abilities and thinks he can pull plays out his a__.
Tommie T: don't forget, Matt Flynn is the one who composed that LSU team against Miami. If Russell is the Culpepper of college then Flynn is the Brees. The best part about it is Periloux(the back-up) is supposed to be just as good. Just wait. I am still anticipating that match-up.
LSU v USC next year.
Popsmich,
Post #683. I think TT is using a little common sense too. He just needs to tweek it a bit when he decides to bet SEC fans. While he is doing 99 on 70,000, he is 0-2 versus me. ;)
EER10,
Who do you really think woulda been a better match in the Sugar Bowl? I think LSU deserved a shot at Louisville.Mooka said:
posted on January 4, 2007 2:55 PM — 68.107.102.29 — link — abuse?
One more thing IrishJT,
There is no doubt that Quinn is the best QB this year, or close to it, but as others have said, you need more than that. There is no doubt they are a well coached team with good enough speed where they need it, but I think they just need more size.
CW said:
posted on January 4, 2007 3:11 PM — 66.226.45.182 — link — abuse?
Sugar Bowl win,
As I've stated perhaps too dramatically... the SEC is a dominating conference. It seems the Big 10 still has some life. ND for whatever reason was an unfair match from the start. I can't think of any reason to place ND in the Sugar Bowl! What a waste of time for the SEC! The BCS (now BS) seems to always baby USCW & place ND in incomprehensible bowls! LSU and most SEC fans have waited for the BS to place USCW in a real match-up. BS officials wake up! Stop thinking only in $ sense … don’t rank ND!!!!!!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 4, 2007 6:55 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
CW:
You are an A-Hole! We are the ones who can't wait to get ahold of one of your top tier SEC teams. LSU would certainly have a game on their hands had the played USCW - in a real matchup! You're a real idiot! Your on the top of the list. The SEC isn't so overpowering moron. I will grant that they are the best conference top to bottom. But, there are many teams that would give any of your top teams a run for their money. USCW, in particular, would beeeatch slap all your teams, most of the time. LSU - I respect. Tennessee would put up a fight as would Georgia. All the rest would get "beat down" for sure. Shut the Fugk up, beeitch!
Tommie T
PopsMich said:
posted on January 4, 2007 7:12 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
TT: I know you're the Pinball Wizard. We've already gone through that. My question is serious about software/tools that you use. Is it something you've coded or are you using a statistical package? I'm not even interested in the point spread, just the process. Its something I know a little about.
SEC Athletic Supporters:
You may want to listen to TT about your (lack of)conference strength. Tennessee scored less points vs Penn St. than against anyone else this season. Same for Arkansas vs Wisconsin (tie w/USC with 14 points). Now if UF doesn't put up a few points on OSU, we'll start talking Big 10 defense.....and don't even start jabbing about UM's defense. To paraphrase something a wise elder statesman said.
"I know USC and OSU, and trust me - you're no USC (or OSU)."
PopsMich said:
posted on January 4, 2007 8:15 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
CW: You're so right about Wake's fans. The graduates from Wake are wildly passionate about their school. UM is legendary, and Wake is awesome, too.
Fans have to put this into context. The enrollment is so small at Wake that some high schools have larger enrollments. What this team has accomplished is tremendous. Their competitive effort vs Louisville was great to watch (TV here).
Heck, Winston-Salem is probably smaller than the campus of some larger schools.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 4, 2007 10:53 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
PopsMich:
I really wish that I had something great and wonderful to report - but I am not all that happy about my process right now. It is working - but it is not as good as it should be. The problem is everything. Strength of Schedule really bothered me this year. Especially the idea that the PAC10 had all ten of the highest rated teams. I'm not buying that at all. That was according to Sagarin. I liked his "Predictor" and "Rating" which combined "Elo-Chess" with "Predictor". Now, I have become much more interested in predictors. I have a plan for something for next year. There are a couple of predictors that I need to "average" to find the right point spreads between all 240 or so teams. I am shaking the idea of relying on any one or two methods of determining SOS. I don't care for the BCS system of using six computer models and throwing out the top and bottom two. My next endevour is going to involve about 15 different computer ratings, combining them all, and coming up with the predictor for each ranked position. Then, every game will be calculated in a head to head manner, in order to come away with Predictive Power Ratings. These calculations will flucuate every week as more games are played. I also want to find a way to factor in yardage totals - as they tend to balance out fluke plays and other unfortunate events that may have happened during the course of certain games. We'll call it plain old fashioned "bad luck". There are several more complications. The whole system needs to be weighted toward current activity.
The whole system is for the purpose of finding large disparigies against the point spread. For instance, my system said that LSU would beat Notre Dame by 16 + 3 for homefield, and the line says that it's LSU by 9.5 points. That's a no brainer. Take LSU and the points. My system says that USC beats Michigan by 6 (+ 3 for homefield) and the line says USC is favored by one. Again, a no brainer. Take USC and the one point. The system does not always work. It says that USC should beat UCLA by 14 and they lost by 4. But, overall, using this technique, it's has been running accurate in about 65% of the time against any line. This means that if you bet $100 on 100 different games - you will have invested $10,000. You will lose $3,500 by losing 35 times. You will win back $90 on the other 65 wins. So, you get back your $6,500 and make another $5,850. That's a total of $12,350. So, your spending $10,000 and always making $2,350 on that money. You have to be consistent. You can't deviate from the "averages". No hunches. No extra money placed on different games. Every game is the same.
But, 65% is too low. I want to get it up to 70% to 75% against the spread. That would increase the profit margin. I am not inventing anything for the benefit of mankind here. I will not be subjecting my findings to the BCS or anyone else really. The Boyz in Vegas have a system. If they have one - I have to have one. Placing the money is a whole different story. Once they know your winnin' - they'll run you smooth out of town. They don't like people like me. But, sadly, they'll never know who me is or where me is comin' from. I'll keep you posted when I start to figure out how I'm really gonna put next season together.Tommie T
Tomcat said:
posted on January 4, 2007 11:15 PM — 69.153.88.240 — link — abuse?
Hey Tommie T and others,when you look at the bowl games this year, The Big East faced no Pac-10
No Big 10, no SEC teams.They faced one 7-5 XII team some ACC, some C-USA and Mac teams.We all pedicted the Big East to do well in their prespective Bowl games.Wake really did a good job against Louisville and played with alot of heart and never gave up.
The Big 10 really impressed me this year.Penn St. and Wisc really did an outstanding job against two of the top SEC programs.Those were two games I picked the other way. I really thought that Iowa made a really good showing against a UT team that stuggled early. Minnisota Golden Gophers were whuping TTech until the end and that was purty impressive as well. The Michigan game was kinda different.I think they saw a USC team that was firing on all cylinders. The same team we saw whup Arkansas and Nebraska, and not the team that lost to UCLA and Oregon State.
The SEC's bowl games were fun to watch. I really enjoyed the Ga Bulldogs come from behind victory.
The Kentucky Wildcats showed up and played a great game.I saw the AU vs Neb game, it was alot closer than I had predicted. The Nebraska players really played hard and if not for coaching mistakes coulda pulled out the win.
The Tigers put it on ND, despite all the miscues, mistakes and penalties.Th Irish were compltely dominated on both sides of the ball by a real talented team.Les Miles is an excellent coach and I beleive that LSU, USC and Texas have the top recruits in the country.I look for those three teams to all improve next year.
Hookem-HornsTommie Trojan said:
posted on January 4, 2007 11:51 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
TomCat:
Now, I'm being serious when I say this: I believe in conspiracies at the highest levels - especially where money is involved. I think that certain members of established conferences don't want for the BE to gain any notoriety too soon. I think they deliberately kept them out of some better bowl games in order to gain more profit for themselves - and to not allow the BE to have the opportunity to show up any of their vaunted teams. I'm not gonna mention what conference I think would stand the most to lose, but they are very well established, and one of the usual suspects. It's not hard to understand. Don't blame it on the BE that they were thrown under the bus. That's been goin' on for awhile now - starting with the defections of BC, Miami and Virginia Tech. It is commendable that they bounced back and had the great year that they did. Hell, if they'd have gotten a crack at any of the "traditional powers" then you might have seen a couple more of them "Boise State type" of games happen. No, they'll hold out for as long as they can before they ever give the BE a decent piece of the pie.
Tommie T
Tomcat said:
posted on January 5, 2007 2:17 AM — 69.153.88.240 — link — abuse?
Tommie I understand where your coming from dude.
In some of the matchups we had 10-2 vs 7-5 and a 9-3 vs 6-6 ? No matter the conference these type of games shoulda featured 10-2 vs 9-3.
How about WV vs LSU and RU vs UT?
Hookem-HornsTommie Trojan said:
posted on January 5, 2007 8:31 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Tomcat:
I'm with ya'. But, I think that they threw Notre Dame to the Tigers, only because it's always great fun, to watch Notre Dame get beat down. I thinks that's the "deal" that they made with the BCS. Notre Dame came with this proposal (and Catholics are worse than Jews where they smell a nickel), "Hey if you let us keep all the money, we'll make sure that we suck every year, and you can throw us to the wolves every year come bowl season. It'll be great sport. When in Rome - do as the Romans do". The BCS said, "Great idea. Everyone loves a good ol' fashioned Irish beatdown - your on". There is no other explaination for Notre Dame's annual sacrifice in BCS Bowl games. It's actually getting to be quite ridiculous.
Me and you think exactly alike on all them other bowl games. I too was impressed with Kentucky and Georgia. The Texas Tech comeback was probably greater than the Boise State win, but nobody wants to talk about it, or did not watch the game. Hell, they did all that in about nineteen minutes I think. It was great. I didn't think that Wisconsin was so wonderful though. I think the Hogs need to get a QB established over there. Penn State was very impressive. Auburn was not and Bill Callahan, as everybody knows, is the stupidest coach that never coached. Nebraska is in for one hell of a beatdown, in Lincoln next year, by USC. Maybe they'll figure out by then that Callahan has to be shown the door. Bring back Frank Solich or bring Tommie Frazier in - but get that program back to playin' Cornhusker football. The Horns woke up in time. They were a bit rusty - but you can't be unpleased. Sorry bout them Aggies - but I told you so. California was better than people thought that they were. I thought Missouri was gonna take Oregon State the whole time. It's a miracle that the Beav's won the game. They were flat outplayed.Tommie T
CW said:
posted on January 5, 2007 9:21 AM — 66.226.47.243 — link — abuse?
TT,
Don't complain to me! LSU & Gateway Computers tried several years ago after LSU won the BCS and were shocked that the BS tied LSU with USCW! We wanted another game to end the argument! Gateway fronted $30 million!! However, USCW & NCAA said no! The BS stuck the pacifier back in your USCW mouth and said "don't worry USCW… daddy will keep you from harm." As for your comments on the SEC - Tenn is in a rebuilding mode; Ark as you saw still is not up to par with the SEC! I don't know why their in the SEC! They didn't used to be! Alabama less serious they just needed the coaching issue completed. Actually, I was surprised with KY. As for USCW... I'm speechless! If you can't beat UCLA and as ESPN stated only have a worry over ASU-W?? You definitely can't think of major match ups with the SEC... Much less the ACC! That little school in Winston-Salem, NC beat FSU at home something like 31-0. FSU beat UCLA back into the Pleistocene Period! I would be honored to have WFU join the SEC! TT if you can't beat whimps don't cry for a real match up. Stick the pacifier back in your mouth & stop whining. The BS will keep you in the flower bowl… at home, with your warped fans that live in some different dimension just as coach Holts stated earlier in the season.
CW said:
posted on January 5, 2007 2:03 PM — 66.226.47.243 — link — abuse?
PopsMich,
I know I checked today and noticed that Wake has only 5000 total students! Several of us have decided to purchase season tickets at WFU. Their coach stated again that he was going to stay. The last time I can remember WFU with this kind of success was in 1979? When they beat GA & Auburn... held Hershel Walker to a -1yds rushing! However, they were badly defeated in the Tangerine Bowl by LSU. Afterwards, WFU coach John Machovic (check spelling for me Mayor) left to help coach Dallas. In my opinion the Deacon's would've destroyed a weak team like USCW.Mooka said:
posted on January 5, 2007 5:01 PM — 68.107.102.29 — link — abuse?
OHHHH yea, let us not forget how badly the BCS SCREWED Wisconsin this year. They dominated ARK in their bowl while ARK played probably the dirtiest football I've seen in awhile. Wisconsin would've been a perfect match for LSU. Good disciplined football team.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 5, 2007 5:33 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
CW:
How'd you get so stupid? Oh hell, you wouldn't know. Your just an inbred dumbazz cornholin' peckerwood who drank too much moonshine. Heck man, you wouldn't even be on here blabberin' away had your daddy just left his sister alone. But nah, he just couldn't let that pass on by. Now, we all have to suffer through your mindless meanderings about how you got it all figured out. Your the reason that inbred hillbilly's get a bad rep. Oh well, I just hope that they reinstitute the draft and your somehow called away to Iran or Syria. I guess that's my best bet. Or, maybe your sister will get tired of being married to you, and slip some arsenic into your grits.
Tommie T
M GO BLUE said:
posted on January 5, 2007 9:26 PM — 216.46.210.141 — link — abuse?
Central Michigan? That's......like in Mount pleasant Michigan,and that's like......in the wilderness.....all the fan's get lost on the way to games at C. Michigan,and they wander in the wilderness for years trying to find their way back to civilization.
GA Boy said:
posted on January 5, 2007 9:55 PM — 66.110.197.20 — link — abuse?
CW
Hershel Walker did not play in the 1979 game against WF. He was a freshman in 1980. Not sure who the running back was in 1979. You have to be knuts to think that WF would have beaten USC. I am a PAC hater, but come on you have to be kidding.
Tommie T
I hope you win those Sugar Bowl tickets for next year so you can see the DAWGS whip some a$$ in person. GO DAWGS!!CW said:
posted on January 5, 2007 10:09 PM — 66.226.47.243 — link — abuse?
TT,
Now your making sense! All the BS you had been concocting comes out! Good to have you aboard the canoe. Yep, there are a couple of "individuals" waiting for you just down the river. But sense you are from California it shouldn't be anything you're not used to?
PopMich,
About 3hrs... depending on traffic. Several of the Prof's around me are Wake Grad's. They are planning on extending the Stadium all the way around with seating similiar to Dolphin Statdum. Listening to the delusional pac idiots reminds me of the years just following Northwestern's Rose Bowl victory? Then being destroyed by WFU! If USCW cant beat UCLA?? Well enough said! I guess Lou Holts was right!AUtigerman said:
posted on January 5, 2007 10:36 PM — 68.1.32.21 — link — abuse?
Well all in all it was a pretty good bowl year.
A few let downs for us SEC fans.
I guess as long as Jim Delaney contunues to call the shots for the Big Ten coneference we will never have a playoff. So good luck next yearCW said:
posted on January 6, 2007 11:11 AM — 66.226.47.243 — link — abuse?
GA Boy,
My apology! I also went back to check! I heard several at the Orange Bowl (while tailgating) going thru that magical 1979 season. I was at the 1979 WFU / Auburn game (as a kid). Anyway, a part of the talk was holding some SEC? running back to a -1 that season. Some guessed it had to be Walker? Who was Ga's running back in 1979? Anyway sorry and maybe I'll see you next season. I'm planning on at least 1 Ga game. I have several cousins that are GA Grad's ... one got married and had the reception at the Campus this past year! It was the first reception I've been to that served Barbeque with grits and a sauce made from apple butter but had a kick! I'm a true Southerner but that was as Southern as you can go! As for a WFU / USCW match-up, I think that had they played this past season WFU could’ve beat um as easily as WFU beat FSU especially before WFU lost several players due to injury! USCW as you know doesn’t play a tough schedule… like ESPN stated. At the most was what ASU-W, ND? Teams like WFU in the past years have had to work hard since their schedules include FSU, Miami, VT, etc. The ACC is growing to become a conference capable of competing with the SEC.
Luke said:
posted on January 6, 2007 11:21 AM — 67.35.110.26 — link — abuse?
Sorry I was gone for a few days so I couldn't respond to people insulting me, and man there are a ton of insults to go around. Sorry, I don't think people understand how much I dislike the Big East. Although they may not have had a "down year" in relation to how bad they usually are, they still had a down year in relation to conferences like the SEC and PAC 10.
You guys can argue with me all you want, but the thing is I just happen to hate the big east and some of you love the big east and no one is going to change anybodys mind. So hate all you want, but until the big east becomes the best conference in college football for a year they will get no respect from me.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 6, 2007 12:33 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
I know it's way early in the game, and Cincy is playing a MAC Team.... but so far I'm impressed with Brian Kelly. Then again I could say that Western Michigan beat UVA and played Florida St. of the ACC very tough this year.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 6, 2007 1:46 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
I know this is about Basketball, but why is notre dame even ranked in the top 50? Let alone #22. I don't care if notre dame is in the Big East for Basketball..... they'll get no love from me. Pound'em Georgetown!!! Oh, it's already a blow out!
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 6, 2007 3:31 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
I'd just like to say Congratulations to the Big East as a whole and all their "FANS"! We've managed to pull through adversity and do something "NO" Conference has been able to do in the last 6 seasons. This has been no small task, and recognition for this accomplishment should come from all College Football Conferences."The Beast is Back"!
therd said:
posted on January 6, 2007 5:32 PM — 68.206.139.137 — link — abuse?
How long can you have a conversation with yourself? And congrats on beating Georgia Tech, Wake Forrest, W. Michigan, East Caolina and who did Rutgers beat? Kansas St. True power houses. Let me list these power houses again:
GEORGIA TECH
WAKE FORREST
W. MICHIGAN
EAST CAROLINA
KANSAS ST.The Mayor said:
posted on January 6, 2007 8:15 PM — 24.7.54.200 — link — abuse?
Sorry Diggs,
It's Basketball Season for a lot of us (Go Ducks!). Having the National Championship on the 9th of January is lame, the bowl season just loses steam with a delay of this length.
Congratualtions to the Big East though! Impressive performance this Bowl Season.
PopsMich said:
posted on January 6, 2007 9:38 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Don't know why Diggs. I sent a note of congratulations after the Cinn game, but it didn't post. That has happened from time-to-time.
I thought my posts were being rejected and just ignored it. Are others having the same experience?
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 6, 2007 10:15 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
Correction to post #719....
The Big East has accomplished something no other Conference has accomplished for "10" years....... and something that "NO" other Conference has done since the BCS era began. We went 5-0 this Bowl Season. The last time it was done was in 1996 by the SEC as they also pulled off a 5-0 Bowl record.Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 6, 2007 10:27 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
The BIG EAST finished the 2006 regular season with a 32-8 (.800) mark versus Non-Conference opponents.
This includes an 11-7 (.611)mark against teams from other charter BCS Conferences.
The league's winning percentage versus Non-Conference opponents (.800) was the best in the history of the Big East. With four more wins coming in bowl games, the BIG EAST has improved its Non-Conference record this season to 36-8 and a (.818) win percentage.
Simply an outstanding year..... The Big East Schools, Teams, Fans should always be proud! I know I'm so proud that I've almost got a tear in my eye. :)
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 6, 2007 10:41 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
The Mayor,
(Nice Win)Speaking of Basketball Season...... don't sleep on my Mountaineers....... they just moved to 13-1 and(3-0)in Big East play.
I guess Coach Beilein really has a good hold on this program even without the so-called stars of the last couple of years.
This year was supposedly going to be rebuilding one. But, you can't count out a team that John is at the helm of, or a team that has so much heart.
I'm just hoping for a 3rd straight "Sweet 16" appearance, and possibly more? Lets Goooooooooooo Mountaineers!!!!
The Mayor said:
posted on January 7, 2007 2:34 AM — 24.7.54.200 — link — abuse?
T Mac,
Perhaps one day I will be able to go to Vegas and catch the BCS NC Game and the first weekend of the NCAA BBall tourney (the greatest 4 days in Vegas if you ver get the chance) at the same time.
Think of the money I'll save.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 7, 2007 10:27 AM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
Man........... Rutgers really have me worried now........ I mean I'm glad to have them in the Big East...... but this season will most likely be the scariest yet..... and not just for WVU....but for whomever they step on the field with...... and I think it will be for years to come. New Jersey is quite the little hot-bed for recruits ya know?
So Cal USMC said:
posted on January 7, 2007 6:59 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Mario Danelo dies; That is fugked up and strange. I think Ive been there - the cliffs, its called "White Point" or something, where underaged drinking goes on.
Theres some other place (the rich area) on the Palos Verdes Peninsula that they call "the diving board" (a cement slabe over-hang) that some people have committed suicide off of...Thats fugked up to hear.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on January 7, 2007 7:22 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Big East finishes the season Strong; 5-0 in Bowl games. Its not just about the Bowl results... the Big East did well this Year as a whole; definitely better than the ACC and the XII.
Not to take anything from the Big East, but this helps to illustrate (adds to the arguement on) how Underwhelming Teams/Players have been this College Football season on the grander scale.
C-DOGG said:
posted on January 7, 2007 9:21 PM — 76.188.148.131 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC,
Re: post#739,It is not in my contract as a Hurricanes fan to root for Florida. I still like the fact that Miami was the last school in the sunshine state to win it all. I hope it stays that way after tomorrow.
Tomcat said:
posted on January 8, 2007 2:15 AM — 69.153.88.240 — link — abuse?
Hey Diggs Check out post #721 and #722
You stated that no other conference can post 6 bowl wins? I beleive the XII had 6 last year and that was against Pac-10, Big-10,SEC Etc.
Name one team in the Big East that has had 6 double digit winning seasons in a row.
Texas Longhorns
11-2 11-2 10-3 12-1 13-0 10-3
Congrats BigEast yall beat K-State twice
so did Baylor 4-7 bottom of XII southDiggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 8, 2007 5:42 AM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
Tomcat,
It was post #720, and #728. I never said "ANYTHING" af the sort about a Conference collecting 6 Bowl Wins in a season? I said in post # 720 that:"We've managed to pull through adversity and do something "NO" Conference has been able to do in the last 6 seasons". (keyword was seasons in that sentemce Tomcat)
But, after looking up the hisory of a feat like this I realized that:
"The Big East has accomplished something no other Conference has accomplished for "10" years....... and something that "NO" other Conference has done since the BCS era began. We went 5-0 this Bowl Season. The last time it was done was in 1996 by the SEC as they also pulled off a 5-0 Bowl record". (The key word or symbol being the goose-egg that you see after the number of wins. 5 games have to be played at a minimum).
So take your time and read a little closer before you post "non-sense lies."
By the way the Big East performed better than the Big 12 and ACC this year.
Here's your proof:
"The BIG EAST finished the 2006 regular season with a 32-8 (.800) mark versus Non-Conference opponents.
This includes an 11-7 (.611)mark against teams from other charter BCS Conferences.
The league's winning percentage versus Non-Conference opponents (.800) was the best in the history of the Big East. With four more wins coming in bowl games, the BIG EAST has improved its Non-Conference record this season to 37-8 and a (.818) win percentage.
Simply an outstanding year..... The Big East Schools, Teams, Fans should always be proud! I know I'm so proud that I've almost got a tear in my eye". :)
Tomcat said:
posted on January 8, 2007 6:27 AM — 69.153.88.240 — link — abuse?
Hey Diggs my mistake, when only 5 teams go bowling and go 5-0 I get it.
Congrats Dude, yall had an outstanding year.
Yes the Big east performed better than the XII this year.How would the Mountaineers do if they faced Oklahoma, Nebraska,Texas Tech,Ok State
every year ?
please read #721 and # 722
XII opponents
Boise State
Alabama
Oregon State
Auburn
Minnisota
Iowa
Cal
Rutgers
RU had a good year getting its first win over a ranked opponent.Teams in the XII face 5 or 6 ranked opponents every year.
I would really like to see the Big East face tougher competition.
XII went 3-8 in bowls this year
Big East 5-0 in bowls this year facing no Pac-10
no Big Ten, no SEC and only one 5 loss XII team.
Maybe next year yall can play some better matchups against tougher competition.
Congrats on yalls victory over the Yellowjackets
posted on January 9, 2007 10:15 AM — 150.176.192.1 — link — abuse?
I went looking at the predictions before the games, looking for bragging rights, and found the following:
Notes:
Only BCS bowls included
Only considered posts with 4 or more called
Number in parenthisis is (Right+1)/(Picked+2)
(LaPlace's Method)5-0 (.857) No one
4-0 (.8)
tipp #18, no BSU-OU Prediction4-1 (.714)
rebel1222 #2, Missed BSU-OU
me #17, Missed USC-UM
C-dogg #27, Missed BSU-OU
mooka #380, Missed USC-UM3-1 (.666)
Tomcat #168, Missed LSU-ND, no UL-UWV
Jake #249, Missed USC-UM, no FL-OSU??3-2 (.571)
zac #89, Missed FL-OSU and USC-UM
Tommie Trojan #267, Missed BSU-OU and FL-OSUAll the others were 2-2 or less.
Dishonerable mentions for:
mcnick & sunnyaz #2 & #11, they only got UL-UWV right.
CW said:
posted on January 9, 2007 11:15 AM — 204.84.232.251 — link — abuse?
Bowl Games,
Well I hit 4 somewhat correctly... I just didn’t know that the Ohio St acorns were that bad of a team! I mean they are a pile of crap. I 've already heard and been called by Gator buddies that expected this but were upset that (as we have always known) the BS kept USC-W protected from harm. After watching FSU kick UCLA out of the USA and watching last night??? Just be glad USC-W didn’t have to play FL or LSU?? The score would’ve been something like 70-6! Hopefully, the BS to earn a decent reputation so we can change the name back to BCS ... will refuse to rank Pac teams in the top 20 and wait till the Big ten prove they can play the SEC before ranking them in top 10 ... instead of reverse!
CW said:
posted on January 9, 2007 1:40 PM — 204.84.232.251 — link — abuse?
It's fitting,
All I've heard is the crap from So Cal & Tiny Tim trojan! They seemed to have hid in the closet crying and weeping! Yea!! I wonder what FL/LSU would've done to USCW! As long as they keep playing whimps like Ohio St we will never no. I apologize for my “Florida 37 Ohio ST 17” prediction! I just didn't think Ohio was that bad? Sorry Gator fans! I'll give you a larger spread next time.
patsul99 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 3:09 PM — 64.128.7.82 — link — abuse?
Sorry, but the Big East's 5-0 bowl record is a joke!
Only one of those 5 opponents was even ranked, and even that game was against a much lower ranked team: #5 Louisville vs #15 Wake...WEAK!
Try playing some real competition and maybe you'll get some respect.
PS- GO GATORS! GO SEC!
Scott 51 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 5:08 PM — 74.128.192.160 — link — abuse?
I just love this constant refrain of "...but how would Big East teams do if they had to play the likes of Texas or LSU or Michigan or USC or Florida or Ohio State or whoever every week..."Man, that's just the point - we don't know.
And we won't know until the friggin' ADs of these "big-time" programs grow collective hairy pairs big enough to put the premier Big East teams on their non-conference schedules.
Until then, we'll keep on wondering.
GO CARDS!
CW said:
posted on January 9, 2007 5:32 PM — 66.226.47.243 — link — abuse?
Watashi,
Looks like after the battle has been fought all the Pac & Big 10 enthusiasts have hidden or are hiding in fear! What a bunch of cowards! They pull for their teams until they are shown WEAK!!! Anyway, congrats to the SEC and the FL Gators! I'm sure yall will have an uphill road next year. The BCS BSSSS will find a way to rank USCW and Big 10 teams in the top 5 even though we all know they must live in a different word of pink nightmares!CW said:
posted on January 9, 2007 7:17 PM — 66.226.47.243 — link — abuse?
Wastashi, SEC,
Did you catch the interview earlier with Jarvis! He stated that Ohio St was definitely overrated & that the game was the "easiest game we played all season... I could name 4 or 5 SEC teams that could've won last night."I think all the SEC needs an apology especially after this fact "Troy Smith, Ohio State's Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback, finished 4-for-14 for 35 yards and ended up with the lowest passing efficiency rating of any quarterback in BCS history."
There are several points that need to be addressed!
- I think Smith needs to face the truth and give up the Heisman and hand it to the rightful person!
-The BCS needs to over haul its computers! And place true Division I teams in top bowls before people get really hurt! Placing Pac & other teams like Ohio St / ND in Bowls v/s SEC power teams like FL is too dangerous... perhaps rename Div 1 to little a and big A. This should protect Pac and similar schools.
What do you think??
M GO BLUE said:
posted on January 9, 2007 8:58 PM — 216.46.210.43 — link — abuse?
YO CW,"prove the Big Ten can play with the SEC"?
How about this,the Big Ten beat the SEC THREE times this season,and ya know how many times the SEC beat the Big Ten? ONCE! OH YEAH! WHOOOO GREAT! THE SEC FINALLY GOT A WIN OUT OF THE FOUR BIG TEN-SEC MATCHUPS THIS SEASON.
Penn State doubled Tennessee's score. what happened?
Wisconsin beat the SEC runner up. what happened?
Buddy the SEC is VERY GOOD! But I think we proved we can beat the SEC 3 out of 4 times just like WE DID!CW said:
posted on January 10, 2007 11:04 AM — 66.226.47.243 — link — abuse?
M Go Blue,
You misunderstood! It is possible for the Big Ten to win an occasional game v/s the SEC! Alabama played w/o a coach. Not bad... they still nearly won. Auburn was the only clear victory! We in the SEC sometimes refer to this as the "Paper Tiger" Syndrome. Tenn has been in turmoil over the past several years but appears to have gained a coaching staff that will cause problems with all opponents including SEC teams. The Big Ten has the hope of America to stop the SEC and possibly a couple of ACC teams. Believe me... a Mich grad told me yesterday that the "North will rise again." No one I've talked with can explain the "Big Blue" defeat ... except as Coach Holt stated "being forced to play USCW at home." We in the SEC will forgive you this time but don't do it again! We want be as nice as we were with Ohio St!
Patrick said:
posted on January 10, 2007 4:23 PM — 64.128.7.82 — link — abuse?
Give it a break, M Go!
Yes, Big 10 won 3 of 4 vs SEC, but look at the matchups. Your best 4 played, and only one of our top 3 played.
Our best team (FL) annihilated your best (OSU), and our number 4 (ARK) nearly beat your number 2 (WIS).
And can you even count Michigan vs Vandy?!
I'll put our top 5 vs your top 5 anytime!
CW said:
posted on January 11, 2007 1:53 PM — 204.84.232.251 — link — abuse?
Kathleen,
It want work! I've tried to reason with m go blue, tiny tim trojan etc.. all season. They all live in some sort of parallel universe. However, it seems that since the SEC stomped the living crap of America's best "Offense & QB, defensive line" etc. they have shut up! We are lucky in the SEC! It it hadden't have been for USCW's loss to UCLA we wouldn't have shown the BCS how silly their ranking system is! We caught them in a "computer clinch?" And I love it! It shows the nation after crap we heard allllllllll year who the crap teams really are!Zac said:
posted on February 1, 2007 2:40 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
Wow!!! 765 blogs, including mine, and that doesn’t include those still filtering in prior to or after. How a bout it, guys & dolls? Was this bowl season one for the books or what? Wild predictions, unlikely comebacks, David Beats Goliath stories, some crazy decision making on & off the field, and a NC game featuring…one team. (The other team forgot to show up.) As far as the big games go, I know I didn’t do all that well; I never claimed to be Tommie T. (alias Friar Tom), my sincere mathematical favorite prognosticator. But, 3-2 ain’t that bad. At least I got Boise St./OU right.
Kevin: Don’t know why, but I couldn’t get the blogs from this theme to come up on my home PC; hence the reason I’m so late responding, not to mention time spent in the hospital. Anyway, and as usual, here goes…
Post 678: Brother Tom, I wasn’t at all surprised by ND’s loss to LSU. If you recall, you stole my score. You have to give the Irish their due, however. Even when they were no longer in it, they were clawing and scraping on every play. Solid effort despite the loss. As for your posts 686 & 697, you know it’s not just mathematical magic you’re weaving. You’ve got some divine intervention thing going on there; I just know it.
684/CW: I’m not surprised at WF showing a lot of class. I think you’ll see the same out them next year; I’m expecting a repeat. I have a friend in Roanoke, VA, who attended the National BB Championship between Georgetown & NC (Ewing vs. Jordan). According to him, the NC fans were frenzied, ill-mannered idiots. The fans from Georgetown were pleasant to be around prior to, during, and after the game, which NC won. Now, while I’ve got you on the horn, Post 756 & 759: What do I really think? I think you & the SEC are just a little full of yourselves. No one disagrees as to the strength from top to bottom of the SEC, and they are “arguably” the strongest conference, and, although the SEC didn’t go undefeated in bowls, they still put 9 teams in bowl games, and won the majority, not to mention the NC (Seriously, congrats to the Gators!). But this thing about putting up patsies against SEC giants, other teams getting hurt (RU Mohamed-Ali or something?) and “Hope of America…” My friend, this is college football, not the war between the states. (By the way, don’t pay any attention to our buddy Father TT, and his gibberish about being in-bred and having married your sister, and all. Trust me. He’s got nothing but luv foa ya.)
Luke: I’ve known how you’ve felt about the B.E. long before this blog, let alone post 715. I don’t need to understand it. That’s between U & U. By the way, you can thank guys like Friar Trojan (alias Tommie T), Irish JT, and some others I’ve missed to mention (my apologies). They’ve donned uniforms to preserve your right to hate. Just don’t let it take control of your better sense. Hate not only serves to destroy the hated, but eventually consumes the hater as well.
#722: therd (By chance, is that pronounced “Terd”?) You’re hardly alone in the Big East bashing. If it’s not strength of schedule of the individual teams, it’s the bowl match-ups, none of which any of the teams had any control over, what with bowl tie-ins, contracts, and our ole BS buddy, the BCS. Despite your criticism, not to mention the likes of MgoBlue (737) & patsu199 (750), including my own for that matter, Louisville/WF, and GA Tech/WV made for interesting & entertaining match-ups. I would have preferred WV play VA Tech, but we’d have needed the “Big House” to accommodate the fans for that one. Obviously a Rutgers/TX match-up would have been much more attractive, and IA/KS St would have been more fair. One match-up I would have liked to have seen would have been S FL/KY. I would have also preferred ND/OU, and Boise St/LSU. As with the rest, it didn’t happen. At least the B.E. did the best they could with what they had, which is more than I can say for the rest of the conferences, despite the match-ups.
Post 738: Kevin – You’ve got an entire post devoted to S FL’s Keely Dorsey. What happened with Mario Danelo? My prayers and heartfelt wishes of swift repose go out to his family, team, and school.
#753: Thanks, Scott. Come to think of it, thank you one & all. Yes, even you, Luke.
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goodolnuma5 said:
posted on December 3, 2006 7:42 PM — 24.208.149.244 — link — abuse?ND/LSU? Loughvull/Wake? OU/potatoes? What da hell? What is this, the NIT? D@mn SC had to screw everything up.