June 18, 2007
Tom Dienhart doesn't know jack about college football
There's an old saying: It's better to let people think you're stupid than to open your mouth and prove them right.
I don't think Tom Dienhart of The Sporting News has ever heard that one.
Dienhart's latest on the pending death of the Big XII conference is not only a rehash of some very, very old concerns (I did the same article -- except with actual analysis -- 24 months ago), but he also manages to miscount how many members are in the Big 10.
I have to think folks in Austin, Norman and Lincoln have had conversations about bolting for a better home. They'd be silly not to have an eye on the future. How about the Longhorns or Huskers joining the Big Ten to make it an even 11?
Hey, Tom. This just in - the Big 10 Conference has had eleven football members since 1993. I guess you've overlooked that fact for the last - oh - fourteen years.
As I said two years ago, there are inequities in the Big XII and they could lead to a schism. I think anytime you have that much money on the table, someone is going to believe their getting screwed - that's just life.
Now, some of the Big XII screw-ees have a legitimate gripe, but the Big 12's money sharing arrangement was essential to the formation of the league. Currently, all non-TV revenues are shared equally among the 12 schools, but only half of television revenue is shared equally. The other half is placed in an "appearance pool" which is then shared based on the number of TV appearances in football and OOC basketball.
Little history lesson, Tom, the Big 8 schools agreed to the notion of teams getting the bulk of their own football TV revenues because THAT'S WHAT IT TOOK TO GET THE DEAL DONE. Otherwise, Texas looked headed to the Pac10 and Texas A&M was ready to bolt for the SEC.
But Dienhart has it completely backwards when it comes to blowing up the current Big XII formula.
It's not the 'Horns, Sooners, and Huskers that want to see a change. Check the revenues, Tom. The conferences top teams are consistently getting from $1 million to $1.5 million more per year from the appearance pool. Why in the world would the schools at the top of the revenue heap want to change that?
Nope, if change comes in the Big XII, it won't be driven from the top. Instead, it will be driven from the Iowa State's of the conference - respectable teams that lack the cache of UT, OU, and NU. But -- then again -- put yourself in Iowa State's shoes. Where else can you go and still hope to get a better deal?
Blowing up the Big XII would likely hurt the bottom schools much more than the top schools, so..... Simply put - if I were a betting man - I wouldn't be betting on a Big XII split just anytime soon.
Or, you could take Tom Dienhart's word for it.
UPDATE 6/18/2007 2:15P
Dienhart's original post has been updated to correct his inaccuracy on the number of teams in the Big 10. This change was made without notation on Dienhart's part, so somebody is just trying to slip a fast one by you by correcting it without a mention. They were fast, but not fast enough - Google has cached the page. I mention this only because I have been accused of misquoting Tom Dienhart, which I did not. The mistake was his very own. Of course, the bigger mistake was the entire premise of his theory, but....
Comments:
posted on June 18, 2007 2:24 PM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue said:
I didn't misquote him. I emailed him my post and he updated it to reflect the mistake.
Now, the classy thing to do would be to admit he just screwed it up (as I often do in my updated posts!) :)
Of course, slick Tom didn't count on Google picking up a cache of the page in their search, so there's the proof that Tom said it and corrected it.
(Not that I care, mind you, because he was more correct in the overall concept than just the Big 10 inaccuracy, but I digress.)
TrojanHorse said:
posted on June 18, 2007 3:14 PM — 208.54.95.129 — link — abuse?
that Google picking up a cache in the page searches is awesome.. been great for a number of things.. but back on Topic..
how about CU and one other B12 team bolting for the P10.. preferably one that can play hoops and baseball as well.. Horns are you reading..
ok.. just woke up but it was a nice dream
Tomcat said:
posted on June 18, 2007 3:39 PM — 70.249.43.247 — link — abuse?
Hey Kevin Do you think the Sporting News is hiring? Even though I lack formal education and my literary skills need alot of improvement.I honestly believe that I could do a much better job than this guy.Drumming up speculative B.S. thats unfounded and being totally ingnorant about the different conferences in the NCAA and if that is what the Sporting News wants ,then I'm not their guy.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but the old Big-8 was dominated by Neb, CU and OU.
The old SWC was UT,Ark,A&M and sometimes BU after Ark jumped to SEC and SMU got the death penalty it seemed to make alot of since to form the XII. I've never heard anything about the XII disbanding or whatever.This fellow is obviously misguided in his quest for a story during the off season to the point of the creation of speculation.
The Big XII is the toughest conference in the country.
posted on June 18, 2007 4:18 PM — link — abuse?
Expansion in the SEC and TV contract consolidation was really the driving force in the marriage of the Big 8 and the SWC. There's been some jealousy and growing pains for the Big XII schools, but that's to be expected seeing how the two were nearly a shotgun wedding. Neither would have become BCS-caliber conferences without the other.
TrojanHorse - If the Pac10 had picked up a natural geographic rival for UT as team #2, you probably could have had them ten years ago.
Tomcat - You would be perfect, brother!
Tomcat said:
posted on June 18, 2007 4:33 PM — 70.249.43.247 — link — abuse?
Doesnt know Jack about CFB, you hit it on the head Kevin.I read this guys stuff and he doent know jack.Diehart is from Indiana and his team is Purdue and his league is Big-Ten/ eleven.
He doesnt like the XII and call UT,OU and A&M the 10,00 lb gorillas of the south and claims that the north only has Neb.That is a very shallow veiw of a league that is very competitive with all leagues Big-10,SEC, Pac-10, ACC and Big East.
CU Buffs 2-10 worst in league
CU beat TTech
TTech beat Minn Big Ten
UGA beat CU 1 point SEC
BU beat CU 1 point XII south
BU beat KU
KU beat USF Big East
USF beat WV
Louis beats K St Big East
Rutgers beats K St so did BU and KU
Missu beats Ole Miss SEC
Ok St beats Bama SEC
AU beats Neb
Ok St beats Neb
AU beats Fla
Fla beats Ohio st
Penn st beats Tenn
Wisc beats Ark
UCLA beats USC
Oregon St beats USC
FSU beats UCLA
Oregon st beats Mizzu
USC beats Mich
Fla beats USC
Looking foward to 2007 matchups
FSU vs CU ACC vs XII
UM vs A&M ACC vs XII
OU vs UM ACC vs XII
Neb vs Wake ACC vs XII
Which conference is the best? who knows? who cares? these look like good matchups other than the Colo game however you never know they are playing at CU. The ACC could win all four, however I kinda doubt it.
Hookem-HornsBarry in MO said:
posted on June 18, 2007 5:58 PM — 216.41.135.108 — link — abuse?
Let's not forget about K State sweeping USC just
a few years back LOL.I visit both sites, fanblogs and sportingnews,
on occasion. I'm just now noticing sort of a
Dienhart-Donahue rivalry brewing. What's up
with this??Zac said:
posted on June 18, 2007 7:52 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, ya bastage, ya just hasta bring up that S FL/WVU game, didn't ya. Good point all the same.
I've said it before; I'll try it again, not that this Dienhart character will necessarily catch on.
1) The Big East dumps DePaul & Picks up PA St.
2) ND & IA St joint the Big 10 (makes 12 now).
3) Airforce Joins the Big 12.
The results: The Big East is a little bigger with 9 teams, and picks up a solid competitive CFB team at the expense of a strong BB team.
ND is in a conference (Remember, Big 10, ya hasta let ND have their TV contract w/o penalty.) IA St is in a better geographical situation. The Big 10 will have to fight over their name with the Big 12, as both conferences will have 12. At least with 12 teams, the Big 10 can hold a lucrative conference play-off game to pay for their up & coming lawsuit with the Big 12 over the name thing. (Hypothetically, of course.)
The Big 12 doesn't loose anything from a competitive edge by loosing IA St and picking up Air Force. They do gain the TV market Air Force will give them, and it's geographically sound, given the academy's proximity to CU.
Now, Kevin, I don't know if this is all too complex for this guy, but it was worth a shot.
Tomcat said:
posted on June 18, 2007 8:35 PM — 70.249.43.247 — link — abuse?
Hey Zac Ya couldnt help that one dude, all these folks think the XII is weak, I was just pointing out that the dogs from the XII can compete CU,KU and K St all lost to BU last year.
Your confence realighnment however would give the Big Ten 13 teams.How about IA State go to the 10 put OU in the North and add TCU to the south- thats scary.We wouldnt lose anything and the XII champ game would mean a little more.
Barry in MO Didnt the Mizzu Tigers beat USC in 05?
SEMiNoLENATION #9 Hey man you got top admit that the Buffs aint what they was and I'd have to give the edge to FSU. These ACC vs XII games look exciting to me. These schools have balls to schedule these games. I admire these programs that will play anybody anywhere.
Hookem-Horns
UT vs Ark 08
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on June 18, 2007 8:45 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
I agree Tomcat. The ACC usually has several matches with the SEC (FSU-UF, GT-UGA, Clemson-USC) but it's unique and interesting the more match ups the ACC and Big 12 have. I look forward to the FSU-OU match up a couple years down the road.
I say bring on a FSU-UT match up. Mack Brown is FSU alum and I think it'd be an interesting match up between the two schools!
Zac said:
posted on June 18, 2007 10:32 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, please don't tell me you're related to this Dienhart guy. You missed the PA St (AKA Penn St) joining the Big East part, drops the Big 10 back to 10 teams; they pick up ND & IA St; now they have 12. Get it? Simple math. Of course, having taken Calculus, simple math and I don't get along any more...
Tomcat said:
posted on June 19, 2007 1:58 AM — 69.150.51.133 — link — abuse?
Na Zac Ya got me there,yes guess I ran outa expendeges, you know like the Aggie that can only count to 21.Is this really Zac the WV fan or is this Joe the FSU fan? Just Joking the first line in #11 was purty funny, noticed I didnt say pretty but purty, the pronounciation is completely different.
Why would PSU even consider dropping outa the Big-10/11 ?
How about a church school related conference Notre Dame,BYU,SMU,TCU,Baylor Etc.ETc. ?
Just kidding, never taken calculus, however now I use math figuring flow rates, chemical dosages, pressures, velocities, tank capacities,equipment calibrations,coversion factors and formulas for just about everything imaginable from BHP,gpm,psi, mg/l= ppm, cuf/s to KHm's every day, and have trouble adding to 12- my bad.
The conferences should be more regional like you suggested for example La Tech-WAC ?
How about three Div 1-A schools in the DFW metro that belong to three different conferencesN Texas-Sun Belt
SMU C-USA
TCU M-WestHookem-Horns
Go MounteersOU Fan said:
posted on June 19, 2007 3:39 AM — 139.139.51.70 — link — abuse?
I just love how my Sooners will play anyone in the nation. I am also looking forward to the OU-Miami game, and OU-FSU will be great too. SEMINOLE_NATION, FSU will have their chance to revenge the 01 National Championship game :) And I know that the OU-FSU game will be played on Sept 11, 2010 in Norman, but when does OU play in Tallahassee?? I'm also interested in the possible future matchups of OU-Tennessee and OU-Ohio State. BOOMER SOONER!
TrojanHorse said:
posted on June 19, 2007 7:20 AM — 70.165.111.167 — link — abuse?
barry #12.. you are correct, KSU did win that h/h with SC in (I think) it was 2001/2002.. this pretty much was the end of the Bill Snyder run at KSU before they started their recent downhill run to mediocrity or lower.. and SC's return to the top.. I do recall thru the 90's though when KSU was definitely a team to be reckoned with.. although their SoS was always questionable
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on June 19, 2007 8:31 AM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
The mighty Oklahoma Sooners roll into Tallahassee on September 17, 2011. That's going to be a GREAT series. We'd have to sweep that series to get revenge for that NC lol. Still stings a little. Two points!? Man! Mark Richt was busy with his new job :| but that's another story. OU-UM is going to be AWESOME. The OU-FSU series is also going to be GREAT. Dang, you Sooners must like the state of Florida :)
cctke455 said:
posted on June 19, 2007 11:59 AM — 129.71.136.27 — link — abuse?
Why would Penn State want out of the Big 10??? This is my most reasonable guess. Penn State is no longer dominating Northeastern recruiting like they did in the past. Rutgers, WVU, Maryland, Pitt, Syracuse, and even UCONN are getting players that would have went exclusively to Penn State in the past....Penn State is an eastern school with eastern roots. Back in the day they dominated eastern Football. Now they are playing in a midwestern conference. Many kids prefer to play close to home so the family and fanbase can get to all the road games fairly easily. Penn State and now Boston College has left eastern football to play in other conferences that do not fit them geographically. I gurantee you that 95% of the ACC dreads traveling to Boston in late October or November. This is just a thought but I think this has hurt Penn State lately and will catch up to Boston college in the future. Any thoughts.
NMLSooner said:
posted on June 19, 2007 2:03 PM — 208.189.232.147 — link — abuse?
This is funny. I rememer a Sports Illustrated article in the early 90's about the coming super conferences, and the only team from the Big 8 that would even stay in Division 1-A was Colorado! Like Oklahoma & Nebraska were going to fall completely of the Division 1-A map! Kind of reminds me of how the cries of the coming ice age 30 years ago have become the cries of global warming. I guess this has a better chance of happening than that!
Also, does anyone realize that throughout college football regional rivalries still matter. The Big 12 isn't going anywhere, and neither are their marquee teams.
Zac said:
posted on June 19, 2007 4:02 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Tomcat: cctke455 basically explains why it would make sense for PA St to join the Big East. I'm not saying they want to or that they will, if invited. Syracuse once sponsored their invitation to the Big East; Commissioner, Mike Tranghese was in favor of it. But the majority of the schools voted PA St's invitation down. Tranghese was even quoted as saying "...they would rue the day..." they didn't elect to have PA St join the Big East. Now that BC, Miami, & VA Tech have gone, you could argue that has come to pass. It would be nice to see PA St in the Big East along with BC & VA Tech. It would make for a legitimate & challenging conference schedule. Sadly, it will likely not happen.
nowhere said:
posted on June 19, 2007 5:12 PM — 12.210.207.243 — link — abuse?
I always thought an ideal big 12 would be
East West
Minnesota Oklahoma
Mizzou Oklahoma St
Illinois Nebraska
Arkansas Kansas St
Iowa St kansass
Iowa ColoradoIf we had to have extreme south schools
North South
Iowa TAMU
Iowa St Arkansas
Mizzou Oklahoma St
Nebraska Oklahoma
Kansass Texas
Kansas st LSUNow if there was a conference of land grant schools I would say
South North
Kansas St Mizzou
Oklahoma St Illinois
Texas A&M Iowa St
Arkansas Wisconsin
Nebraska Minnesota
LSU PurdueDennis said:
posted on June 19, 2007 5:19 PM — 71.215.43.240 — link — abuse?
hey, Zac I LIKE THE WAY YOU TWEKED THE B12
Hey Zac I liked the way you tweked the b12&b10 it makes sents. also FYI the B12 has already copyrighted the names big 12 also big 14 etc thinking maybe expanding some time into the future if teams are going to bolt it's all mute sorry I can't spell well.
Mc Duck said:
posted on June 19, 2007 9:42 PM — 63.229.128.5 — link — abuse?
Ya, Jason...(post # 21)...the "Oregon debacle" has ruined it for the rest of the PAC 10 getting a crack at Oklahoma any time Sooner or Later!!! I mean, what a breech of justice it was the way all those interference penalities by the Okies defensive secondary were never called by that all PAC 10 refs crew! Go, Ducks!
OU Fan said:
posted on June 20, 2007 7:04 AM — 136.221.65.6 — link — abuse?
Jason post 21, as far as I knew, OU still plays at Washington sometime in the next 2 or 3 years. If that game was cancelled, please let me know because I did not know this. And if it was cancelled, I'm sure I heard the news but there have been some major changes in my life this past year that I tend to forget sometimes. And Mc Duck, just remember that your Ducklings are 1-6 against the Sooners!BOOMER SOONER!
OU Fan said:
posted on June 20, 2007 7:32 AM — 136.221.65.6 — link — abuse?
Seminole_Nation post 18, you're right about OU-FSU, it will be an awesome series. And because I will be living in the U.S. again by 2010, I am going to do my damn best to make it to Norman for that game. And depending on where I am stationed in the future especially if it is somewhere in the south, I will also do my best to make it to Tallahassee in 2011. One game that I do regret not even attempting to make it to was OU-Alabama in Norman back in 2002. Just the the history of those 2 teams and the fact that they were playing eachother made that game amazing. And because I missed a great game as that one, I will do my best not to miss this game. Unfortunately, since I currently live in Germany, I will be listening to the OU-Miami series online and watching the game that my father tapes and mails to me, that is unless the game is aired on AFN. And as to OU-FSU back in 2001, the only word I can state to describe Oklahoma that season is "phenomenal." And as far as us Okies liking the state of Florida, I would be lieing to you if I said that we did not. At least I know I enjoyed my time spent in Florida. The state of Florida is pretty nice and there is a lot to see and do. However, I can't stand the humidity and I've experienced 4 different hurricanes, so I could not live there. But I'm sure you could say the same about Oklahoma, we have some of the most violent tornadoes in the world, the wind always blow ninety to nothing, and if you're used to water and moved to Oklahoma, you'd probably hate life. I got off the subject a little, but I just want to say that once again that OU-FSU and OU-Miami will kick a$$, and I would like to see OU-Florida sometime. BOOMER SOONER!
OU-Ron said:
posted on June 20, 2007 11:54 AM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse?
Mc Duck # 25
First off I want to apologize to Kev for getting off topic but I had to respond to Mc Duck’s pathetic attempt to justify the stupid, lame @ss call from that blind Ref in the OU-Oregon game last year. Your record is 1-6 against OU, and should be 0-6 and you know it. “ Breech of Justice “ you are an Idiot.
GO SOONERS
Zac said:
posted on June 20, 2007 1:26 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
OU-Ron, having watched the game from start to finish, I have to agree; the officiating was terrible, but it was terrible on behalf of both teams. I saw BOTH teams get away with stuff, and I saw some bonehead calls against BOTH teams that made me do more than just roll my eyes. It's really a shame, because what should have been a completely competitive from start to finish and down-to-the-wire nail-biter was marred in the controversy of just one call. It were multiple calls that were or were not made that influenced the outcome, not just one. Take solace in knowing your guys entered the lions den, gave it their best shot and came up short against a good team. If OR had lost, I'd be saying the same to them. Hold your head high, OU-Ron, your boys have nothing to be ashamed of; neither do theirs. Just a thought.
OU-Ron said:
posted on June 20, 2007 3:15 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse?
Zac # 29
I agree, there’s holding and other penalties that could and should be called in every game on both sides of the field, but for the duck to imply it was ok for OU to lose that way because there were some interference penalties not called on behalf of Oregon, that’s absurd.
GO SOONERS
gatorstud said:
posted on June 20, 2007 3:22 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
zac.....i would agree w/ you that the whole game was horribly officiated....but the kick-off / fumble play that was so widely played and talked about, was a reviewabled call....now on interference calls, holding calls, offsides....those kinds of fouls are not reviewable, bad calls are always going to plague a good game....but to screw up a call when you have instant replay that clearly shows the opposite of what was called...is inexcusable.....
but that is just my opinion.......
go gators...and hokies
Barry in MO said:
posted on June 20, 2007 6:25 PM — 216.41.135.108 — link — abuse?
Letting one of the disgruntled schools bolt the
Big 12 would be okay. They could pick up Air
Force. That would give the conference more
military exposure. Selling Baylor more as a
Baptist school than a Texas school would give the
Big 12 marketability in those 2 directions. If
one of the others wants to bolt, let them.#12, think it was the Gamecocks then. I don't
think they've played the Trojans since the Onfrio
days.#17, Snyder did wonders for K St. I used to
get a giggle out of their SoS LOL. I brought
that up as a reminder the Big 12 North was alot
more than just the Huskers. I wonder if they'll
even come close to USC this year. They had to
keep it conservative to stay w/in 20 last year.College Pigskin Fan said:
posted on June 20, 2007 8:25 PM — 63.19.118.54 — link — abuse?
I have read some of Tom Dienhart's articles in the past, and he's pretty much a joke. If the Big 12 is going to do anything, they will drop a school like Baylor, and add a school like UTEP. At least UTEP can fill up their stadium, and they're trying to rebuild their basketball program.
For anyone that thinks that any two Big 12 schools will bolt to the PAC 10, the PAC 10 has made it clear, they are happy with how things are. Plus, Stanford has alot of veto power in their conference, and they have used it in the past on Texas.
Mc Duck said:
posted on June 20, 2007 8:28 PM — 63.229.128.5 — link — abuse?
OU-Ron...so if the calls go the Sooners way...that's okay? Bad calls are bad calls. It happens all the time in football. I'm not saying that the call that cost the Sooners the game was the correct call...however, the Sooners still had the lead. The game still needed to be played. The Sooners should have stopped the Ducks from getting into the End-Zone. They did not. But then, you need to engage in ad hominems (you called me an idiot...which I am not). I don't even know you. But I will not stoop to your level. I am a fan of the Oregon Ducks. I have the right to point out what I consider calls that should have gone Oregon's way, but did not. Ducks fans, back me up here. Or are the Sooners fans going to have the last word on this one?!
Mc Duck said:
posted on June 20, 2007 8:42 PM — 63.229.128.5 — link — abuse?
One little correction...OU-Ron stated that if the Ducks had lost to the Sooners, their record against them would be 0-6. I think he meant, 0-7, seeing that the Ducks had lost 6 games to the Sooners in the past. That was probably just a typo. I have a friend who went to see the Ducks play the Sooners in Norman. He was so impressed by the way the Oklahoma fans treated him, that he can't wait to go back. He said he never was treated so kindly as he was by Sooners fans.
OU-Ron said:
posted on June 20, 2007 10:04 PM — 68.12.27.79 — link — abuse?
Duck # 34
Nowhere in my post’s did I say it was ok for all the calls to go the Sooners way, and no where in your post do you say there were bad calls on both sides of the ball. In fact all your post say’s is “I mean, what a breech of justice it was the way all those interference penalities by the Okies defensive secondary were never called by that all PAC 10 refs crew! Go, Ducks! “
What the #&^$# does Breech of Justice mean. I apologize for calling you an Idiot, but if you don’t want to be thought of one, don’t act like one. And if you think the Sooners didn’t have the game won at the time of that blind ref’s stupid call, you’re the only one in the free world who thinks so. You can have the whole state of Oregon back you up, it still doesn’t alter the fact that the duck’s record against OU should be 0-6
GO SOONERS
Zac said:
posted on June 20, 2007 11:10 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
OU-Ron & Mc Duck: There's always a lot of making fun, smack & jack, and of course good ole male testosterone one-up-man-ship. Neither of you are idiots & yet we all are. So I'll ask you both, in this case, does it matter who has the last word? The game's been played; sour grapes or no, OR won it. It has already gone down in the annals of history that way. Though, there may be a way to change it, I doubt anyone will expend the energy necessary. A new season is about to begin. OU has a great schedule! OR is still in the Pac-10; no slouch there. Where do you suppose either team will be come season's end? Are the polls right? I can't wait to find out. Can you??? Peace.
Tomcat said:
posted on June 20, 2007 11:42 PM — 69.150.78.60 — link — abuse?
#33 CP Fan Yes this character Dienhart is part of the problem with people actually thinking that the XII is weak, they play a weak OCC schedule Etc.Etc. This couldnt be further from the truth.
Teams are bolting for other conferences and everything else is just a bunch of made up B.S.
You wont here this guy Knocking the big-10 or Pac-10 two conferences without a championship game.Two conferences who's teams usually get the positive press, high rankings etc. Not that they dont deserve it, however its kinda funny as a Longhorn fan that every time the Horns play a
Michigan, Ohio State or USC that the other team is usually favored. The Keith Jacksons and Dan Fouts of the world bring their own favortism and bias opinions to light just like this guy Dienhart. He dont know Jack !
Hookem-HornsPaccc said:
posted on June 20, 2007 11:58 PM — 76.107.128.3 — link — abuse?
If any kind of PAC 10 expansion happens, it will be set on a few factors. Texas does not fit any of these. They would have no natural rival and would bring no natural rival with them. They are 1000 miles from the nearest pac team. The best bet would be on Colorado and Col. St., Utah and BYU, or San Diego St. and another Cal school (maybe Hawaii). SD St. makes the most sense beacause of the television market, large school with a very good academic reputation and location. Maybe even bring in BYU with them, a large nation-wide following (a mini-ND religious following). It does not matter what these schools football records have been in just the past 3 years. It matters that they can substain a program and help academically, and have tradition. SD St. may not have as much of a tradition, but BYU does. Thats just how I see it.
The Mayor said:
posted on June 21, 2007 12:30 AM — 24.7.49.173 — link — abuse?
McDuck
Don't forget the fact that the Sooner Offensive line failed in their blocking assignments allowing Oregon to block the winning field goal on the last play of the game. A fact that is never mentioned by Sooner fans. They make that field goal, we probably never talk about the officiating again.
However with that said, what could have been a great Oregon victory turned out to be great injustice to the Sooners. The Sooners got jobbed at Autzen and their visiting fans showed a ton of class in Eugene after the game.
I believe in Karma, OU finished with a great(despite losing Adrian Peterson) and Oregon went into the tank. They played a great game against Boise State, a game for the ages. What did the Ducks do, they played Roulette in Las Vegas fours up until game time...and then truly embarrassed themselves and the University, in the Las Vegas Bowl.
I truly hope that OU re-thinks it's decision to not come back out to the Pac-10. They are such a great program and at least they gave us a home and home series. I for one would love to see Oregon and Oklahoma meet in a meaningful Bowl Game this post-season!
Tomcat said:
posted on June 21, 2007 1:50 AM — 69.150.78.60 — link — abuse?
Latest news outa Eugene Ducks bolt for WAC according to reliable sources and the PAc officials win a national award.
Trying to keep this back on track, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it must be a duck.
All joking aside the Ducks host the mighty Houston Cougars then they travel to Michigan.
Without Kolb the Ducks have a good chance with the Cougars. The Michigan game might be more of a challenge.
Mr. Mayor In all honesty other than Fresno and Stanford looks like the Ducks have a purty tough schedule. Good Luck
HookemOU Fan said:
posted on June 21, 2007 2:49 AM — 136.221.65.6 — link — abuse?
Mayor and Mc Duck, I asked this question in my post #26, did OU cancel their game at Washington in the next couple of years??? And just for a little information Mc Duck, OU has played 3 Pac-10 teams in the past 4 seasons(UCLA, Oregon, and Washington.) How many Big 12 teams has Oregon played in the past 4 seasons, besides in bowl games? Or the past decade? Mayor, I also like Big 12 vs Pac-10 matchups, and therefore I to hope that OU schedules more Pac-10 teams in the future. I would also like to see more Big 12 vs SEC matchups. BOOMER SOONER!
OU-Ron said:
posted on June 21, 2007 9:21 AM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse?
Mayor # 41
Your point about the blocked field goal is well taken and believe me not forgotten, the fact is OU should not have even had to be in that position to kick a field goal to win the game, if it had not been for the guy in the replay booth that needed the seeing eye dog, no one would be having this conversation. With that being said, I also hope OU schedules future games with the Pac 10.
GO SOONERS
The Mayor said:
posted on June 21, 2007 12:56 PM — 24.7.49.173 — link — abuse?
OU Ron #41
In the last decade Oregon has only scheduled 2 Big 12 games, both with OU. They have had 4 Big 10 Matchups and 2 SEC Matchups in that span of games.
According to their websites:
Washington still has Oklahoma on it's schedule, but Oklahoma does not have UW on theirs for the 2008 season? Makes you wonder if Stoops wasn't serious about his threat.
And as far as last years Duck / Sooner game, I have already admitted, multiple times, that the Sooners got jobbed. Let's move on.
Mc Duck said:
posted on June 21, 2007 1:29 PM — 198.237.180.60 — link — abuse?
Tomcat (#42) Fresno State always plays Oregon a tough game. Every game they've played against each other have been close ones. I agree with you, Oregon has a tough schedule...not as tough as Washington's, but the PAC 10 has a history of beating up on each other. And I am envious that the Mayor (#46) is going to see Oregon play Michigan at the Big House...I think it should be a very good game. Go, Ducks!
OU Fan said:
posted on June 21, 2007 2:30 PM — 84.146.41.185 — link — abuse?
The Mayor post #45, I noticed that you stated "OU Ron #41" in your post, but to me it seemed as you were responding to my post #43. Post #41 was your post. And as far as the OU/Washington series, I do not know what to say. But as to moving on past the OU-Oregon game, I have moved on, and that was about 9 months ago. And remember, Mc Duck started this whole dilemma and then asked for backup. I was just stating some facts. There was no trash talk or signs that I have not moved on in my posts. BOOMER SOONER!
Tomcat said:
posted on June 22, 2007 12:28 AM — 69.150.78.60 — link — abuse?
#46 Mr Mayor Have a good time in Ann Arbor great place.Wow to attend a game in that enviroment has got to be a thrilling and memorable experience.
I'd really like to see the Ducks at Kyle Feild in College Station.
Gigem-Aggies whup the H outa UM & OU
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Pre-Tedford Cal Fan said:
posted on June 18, 2007 12:26 PM — 129.120.93.67 — link — abuse?I believe that you misquoted him. In the article he states the following, "How about the Longhorns or Huskers joining the Big Ten to make it an even 12?" It is in third paragraph from the end.