January 2, 2007
Broncos deliver greatest bowl game of all time?
You have to give it up to Boise State. Not only did they go out and slay Goliath -- beating the winningest college football team since WWII -- but they also gave us one of the most outstanding college football games in history.
Boise State's 43-42 overtime victory over Oklahoma had so many momentum swings that it was hard to remember what had just happened fifteen minutes earlier. You name it, you got it with this game.
Matt Zemek gives his take from the Sooner perspective:
Want to know what makes a game special on a legendary scale? This game had it all... or at least, as close to everything as humanly possible.You can't beat a late comeback. Wait, this game did.
You can't beat three two-point attempts for a tie in the final minutes. Wait, this game did.
You can't beat the heartbreakingly late mistake by the big underdog. Wait, this game did.
You can't beat the underdog pulling off a hook-and-lateral reminiscent of an epic NFL playoff game to tie the score with 7 seconds left. Wait, this game did.
You can't beat a decorated running back (Adrian Peterson of OU) scoring a touchdown in overtime of a game he didn't have to play after suffering a midseason injury. Wait, this game did.
You can't beat a fourth-down halfback option pass for a touchdown to keep an overtime game going. Wait, this game did.
You can't beat a Statue of Liberty play to win the game on a ballsy two-point try, one play after a fourth-down halfback option pass for a touchdown to keep the game going in the first place. Oh, wait: this game did!
And you just can't beat that kind of "can you top this?" finish when it's followed, off the field, by the football hero proposing to his cheerleader girlfriend, who accepts the proposal and leaps into her man's waiting arms.
Nope--you can't beat that.
Hats off to Boise State. I know I didn't give them a chance weeks ago. Yum-yum-yum... crow.
I have a lot of respect for the Ohio State - Miami championship game from just a few years ago, but for my money - the Boise State - Oklahoma matchup will go down as the absolute best BCS game of all-time.
Comments:
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 9:51 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Gotta agree. Was tryin' to get to sleep early, so I could get up at 2:00 AM, and drive from Fresno to LA - couldn't do it. Couldn't turn this one off. I am glad that Peterson showed the sand to try and end it with the 2-point "Statue of Liberty" though. Unbelievable game. Never seen anything like it ever.
Tommie T
Emil said:
posted on January 2, 2007 10:03 AM — 24.247.61.232 — link — abuse?
Wow!
As soon as Oklahoma scored at the end, I figured it was over and I went to
bed. I stayed with it right straight through to when Boise State through
the interception for a touchdown.Go Broncos!
They are the real thing and that game will only solidify their
place with the top guns. Nice to see a program build to that level and make
that kind of statement with an undefeated record!No reason Boise State should not claim a share of the National Title. They
and OSU have done all they can this season (provided OSU wins their bowl
game). The rest should not be left up to a bunch of cigar chompin' sports
writers to decide. What kind of country is this anyway? Maybe our next
president should be decided by sports writers... They could choose from a
massive pool of candidates, then let the auto makers and insurance companies
decide who debates who...and of course we don't want any "regional debates"
not enough viewers would tune in. God forbid they choose to watch Desperate
Housewives instead of presidential debates...wait a minute...that is already the
status quo.If the outcomes to these games were more reliable (i.e. "Michigan should
beat Southern Cal by 4!"), then perhaps we could assume a national champion.
If Boise State did the "impossible", we better be careful what we include in
the "impossible" catagory. Although who knows... Boise State beating OSU...
Maybe not so impossible.Nice to know that the Boise State Broncos are National Champions!!! Yes,
National Champions!!!! It can't be argued because it can't be resolved.
Better to spend those calaries exercising off the pounds we gained drinking beer in
our armchairs wading through 32 bowl games...Oh wait, it's not over... I
think a couple more teams play sometime in January.chud said:
posted on January 2, 2007 10:07 AM — 12.22.148.130 — link — abuse?
Now hear this! Boise State is not in the same class with OKLAHOMA!
To call this game one of the best of all times is a travisty and shows just how much parity has dumbed down Oklahoma Football. Greatist games like Nebraska 71, Ohio State 75, Pitt who came to town with the Tony Dorset?
This was a poorly coached game and paying this bum millions to lose to Boise should not make anyone very happy. What I see is a pattern of not being able to step up in the big game. Kansas State Big 12 Championship getting blown out, USC in the Orange Bowl appearing not to show up, LSU for the national championship playing like we did not belong.
Let's go back to the 2000 national championship when we beat a bad Florida State Team and oh yea these were John Blakes players he won with, not his own.
Look at the money spent, look at facilities, look at recuriting and tell me that we at anytime should have lost to this bunch. Look at each position player for player and see how we match up? Except for the QB positon OU is better at every position.
We were out coached, period....
BuckiNut said:
posted on January 2, 2007 10:52 AM — 65.189.178.33 — link — abuse?
WOW!! Mad props to the Bronco's. When everything seemed to be slipping away they refused to lose.
For the first time i'm going to say a playoff might be in order to let a team like this have a shot at a championship. My hat goes off to Peterson for his aggressive play calling. Now if they would just do something about that blue field [it just aint right].
Joe McCarron said:
posted on January 2, 2007 10:54 AM — 71.113.153.129 — link — abuse?
Best *Bowl* Game????
This was the most amazing *football game* I have ever seen! It had it all. They should make a movie about this team/game.
No I'm not a Boise state fan.(at least not before last night) I'm a Notre Dame fan and only vaguely knew Boise State had a football team until last night.
hokie4life said:
posted on January 2, 2007 10:57 AM — 67.72.98.108 — link — abuse?
What a game!!! I must admit it though, I thought it was going to be one sided. Boise State my apologies and I have great respect for all teams in college now other than Miami!!! I stayed up till 1 this morniong watching this one. This was by far the best game I have ever watched period. Anyone saying otherwise is crazy. No game has ever beed so exciting. Way to go Boise State.
Patrick said:
posted on January 2, 2007 11:13 AM — 207.70.17.146 — link — abuse?
Ok........blame your coach call us "that bunch" or whatever you want but facts are facts and Boise St took your best punch, stood back up more than once, then knocked you down and then out. Big school mentality and alum often lose sight that football is played from the heart as much as from anywhere else. Just because you recruit this and facility supposedly better and that bigger means nothing. FOOTBALL IS WON BY PLAYERS WITH HEART & PASSION FOR THE GAME not by or for those believing they are entiltled justt because.....Enjoy your Crow!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 11:13 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Chud:
You need to calm down. Lesser teams always resort to trick plays and gadgets to stay in games with the Big Boyz. I was not surprised by anything that Boise State would pull in that game. I was not surprised to see Oklahoma come back and take the lead either. It was a very lucky day for Boise. There was skill involved, but nine times out of ten, they lose that game. Traditionally great programs, would never spend that amount of time, on gadget plays. Bob Stoops did a masterful job of keeping Oklahoma in a position to win. You are way overreacting to something that no team could have stopped on that day. I for one, do not believe that Boise State deserves a shot at a National Title, because they are very adept at trick plays that can sometimes pull the miracle off for them. Oklahoma is still a much sounder football program. Only inferior teams resort to that kinda gimmick stuff. Oklahoma did a great job. It was just Boise's day. They were extremely fortunate.
Tommie T
JZNole said:
posted on January 2, 2007 11:15 AM — 12.177.80.3 — link — abuse?
wow chud, absolutely no respect for boise state beating you guys. Unreal.
It was hard cheering for an orange & blue team, but it worked out. Congrats BSU, now just imagine if this meant you guys moving on to the semifinals or something. Some day....some day.
JZNole said:
posted on January 2, 2007 11:17 AM — 12.177.80.3 — link — abuse?
Tommie - they didn't have any trick plays until 30 seconds left in regulation! If an "inferior" team could pull off gimmicky stuff to beat 3 straight top 10 teams in a playoff format, would you still say they weren't worthy?
Neville said:
posted on January 2, 2007 11:21 AM — 70.167.26.232 — link — abuse?
Not to take anything away from Boise, but overtime rules need to change. Boise benefited by winning the coin toss. They knew from the start they had to score a touchdown, they were able to go for it on 4th and 2 where Oklahoma in that same situation would have had to kick a FG, and finally they were able to dictate going for the 2 point conversion that Oklahoma did not have the opportunity to match. When the overtime rules came out I thought they were better than the NFL, but now I do not think so anymore. One team has to set the tone and the other team gets to respond. It is unfortunate that dynamic is set up by a coin toss.
Overtime rules will be fair when the team that wins the toss chooses offense 50% of the time and defense 50% of the time. That would tell me that in aggregate teams do not care who wins the coin toss. One way to do this would be having the team go on offense 1st starting from the 35 yard line instead of the 25 yard line. I think you do that and some percentage of schools will think twice about winning the coin toss and automatically choosing defense. Another wrinkle you could throw in - have OT start with a kickoff from your own end zone. If you did that the average starting position would be about the opponents 45 yard line. That would allow special teams to play a part in OT.
This was one great game, better than OSU-Miami. You have got to be impressed with the jobs done on both sides of the ball. This is one of those ball games where it is unfortunate someone had to lose.
PaddyMc said:
posted on January 2, 2007 11:29 AM — 207.70.17.146 — link — abuse?
Ok........blame your coach call us "that bunch" or whatever you want but facts are facts and Boise St took your best punch, stood back up more than once, then knocked you down and then out. Big school mentality and alum often lose sight that football is played from the heart as much as from anywhere else. Just because you recruit this and facility that supposedly better and bigger means nothing. FOOTBALL IS WON BY PLAYERS WITH HEART & PASSION FOR THE GAME not by or for those believing they are entitled just because.....Enjoy your Crow!
Idaho TNT said:
posted on January 2, 2007 11:42 AM — 24.116.152.77 — link — abuse?
Boise would crush USC, Ohio is lucky that they dont play Boise. The rest of the collage teams are lucky they dont play Boise becouse they would get beat. And USC lost to OSU and BOISE CRUSHED THEM!!!!You guys are just mad becouse your teams are dumb and fall for trick plays. Oklahoma spent how much on there program, and boise has less money to spend, you lost Oklahoma was beaten.
AgGB said:
posted on January 2, 2007 11:43 AM — 66.76.55.152 — link — abuse?
WHAT A GAME...HOLY CRAP...why didnt I set my dvr to record. WOW. Props to ou, they turned it up late in the 4th and came through with a big time drive. THE STATUE OF LIBERTY TO WIN THE GAME IN OT??!?!??!!?!?!!! CLASSIC!!!!!
chud, uh, you cant take anything away from Boise State b/c they just flat outplayed ou. And if you're really that upset with Bob Stoops, we at Aggieland will trade you in a heartbeat.
Boise State should not be nat'l contenders, though b/c ou is the only ranked team they played all season. You have to beat some really good teams to be a nat'l contender. Don't like it? Tough. That's how it is and you have to schedule and beat some good opponents to get up to the very top. They played a pretty good game overall last night, though, and showed some real cajones. Good football...Good football...Let's hope there will be another game like this soon...WOW
Neville said:
posted on January 2, 2007 11:47 AM — 70.167.26.232 — link — abuse?
Chud:
Bob Stoops was nothing short of masterful this season. This was his best coaching year. I am proud to have him as the OU coach. Just because Boise had several tick plays up their sleeve and OU did not is not a sign of bad coaching. Bad coaching can be seen in lack of discipline - penalties, dumb playcalling, and that did not happen here. You want to talk about bad coaching - look at Bill Calahan running a trick play mid-second quarter against Auburn with the score tied and a sizeable crowd advantage and Auburn's offense managing about net 10 yards in the game to that point. Further look up running the ball on 3 consecutive plays to set up a desperation 4th down pass with no attempt at a field goal to tie the game. Also look up making throat slashing motions to opposing kids. Bill Calahan is a bad coach. Bob Stoops is not.
Bob stoops is a great coach. His confidence and straight non-political answers to reporters questions come off as arrogant to the rest of the country, yeah. But he is building something to be very proud of in Norman and if I was a kid with top line talent I would be proud to come to OU.
Having said that the USC 04 demons will hang around the OU program until OU wins another national title, and ideally beats USC in the process. My bet is it will happen sooner rather than later.
Gatorpilot said:
posted on January 2, 2007 12:00 PM — 71.87.237.18 — link — abuse?
It was an awesome game. Congrats to Boise State. I loved every minute of it.
HarvinforHeisman07 said:
posted on January 2, 2007 12:00 PM — 72.158.254.34 — link — abuse?
I usually agree with Tommie T's comments - but can't here. Boise jumped on OU early and that was to be expected considering the enthusiasm for the game that Boise (and its fans) had vs OU's. Stoops did do a great job of getting his boys to answer but once the game got started and OU started playing, Boise kept answering. I didn't see an overmatched team getting lucky. They looked like a solid well rounded team - the same one that pounded Oregon State.
AUtigerman said:
posted on January 2, 2007 12:00 PM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
I agree that was one of the best games ive ever watched. But lets take a little closer look at something. The BCS had Boise State ranked at #8 and Oklahoma at #10. So according to the horrible BCS thats what should have happened.Maybe the only time they got something right. I mean they sure missed the Michigan game
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 12:32 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Okay - all you knuckleheads. My family all lives in Fresno. I've been watchin' Boise State for years. When I say it's gimmicks and gadgets - it is! Fresno beat the crap out of them last year. Fresno sucks this year. Five WR sets? Oklahoma was wearin' you dowm. Somebody said they'd beat USC? Don't make me laugh. You would have never got off the line of scrimmage. That wasn't exactly a stellar Oklahoma team either - I don't care what they were ranked.
I will say this: Boise State probably has the greatest coaches in the world. They absolutely get the most out of their talent that is possible. They actually have some real good players their. But, to think you are the best team in the country is wrong. You are about 10 points away from the best teams in the country. That means you could pull an upset and win one occasionally - but it doesn't mean you would do it very often. I have actually had Boise ranked a little higher than Oklahoma all year long. It is no surprise to me that Boise wins that game. But, they may end up about #9 in my book. They would get blown out by Ohio State, Florida, LSU, Louisville or USC. It was a lucky win in a year when Oklahoma did not have an established QB. If Boise took on any team with a better QB than Paul Thompson - they get killed. Go ahead and argue with it - it's a fact. It's a WAC team that recruits mostly 2-star athletes and they think they deserve to "win it all". Sorry people - that's even more pathetic than Rutgers.Tommie T
OU-Ron said:
posted on January 2, 2007 12:36 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse?
Sun came up this morning and life goes on. There is a reason BSU is undefeated--They are a good team--period.
This was the most entertaining game that I have ever seen. Congrats to Stoops and the team for a great year, BIG 12 CHAMPS.statefan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 12:40 PM — 67.121.105.221 — link — abuse?
Please- its ridiculous that the sooners hung out and waited to play OU football at the end of the game - the execution was lacking and the intensity was down until the end of the game once they tied it up - suddenly they remembered it was a bowl game and they were playing an UNDEFEATED team that has lots of scrappy determined gutsy players - the calls and the coaching was lacking in the running game and they did not give all-day enough carries or opportunities to take it to end zone - the defense was not the rock of old - very disappointing-
statefanAlum 1616 said:
posted on January 2, 2007 12:53 PM — 68.97.22.120 — link — abuse?
Congratulations are definately in order for a fantastic Boise State team and their spirit. That being said, Oklahoma needs to seriously reconsider their head coach. We pay this guy millions to not recruit, run the same tired hackneyed plays over and over again as if they might work on the third, forth , fith or sixth time..., and to use his coaches challenge on such an inane call as ball placement on a first down in the first quarter! Way to blow a timeout coach. This team played so much better without Adrian Peterson. He is a fantastic and talanted player, true. But when he is hyped to the Nth degree and the other team knows that everytime he is in, he gets the ball, it's easy to contain him. Oklahoma did exactly as I feared they might. The coach counted on his one star, the rest of the team checked out, and by the time this "winning strategy" failed it was too late to do anything but play catchup.
AUtigerman said:
posted on January 2, 2007 12:54 PM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
Hey Tommie T
I wouldnt argue with you that Boise State is the best team in the country, but i will say I think that you are missing the whole point.Football is a game that should be judged on the field not by some writer or coach somewhere where bias will obviously enter in. The greatest game on the planet should be judged on the field and any team regardless of what conference they come from should have a chance to play. Thats not to say that USC wouldnt beat Boise State. NCAA football should take a chapter out of the NCAA basketball book and have a playoff.Trick plays or not id root for Boise State over the Big boys anyday, and after last nights game i bet they would win the TV ratings crowd too.volstrike3 said:
posted on January 2, 2007 1:16 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
Folks, that was an awesome game and I loved watching it but we need to step back a little. BSU is a good team and they played a hell of a game but they are not in the same league as USC, OSU, Florida, etc. I give them credit for coming back and winning that game. It showed a lot of heart but it is one win. Don't hurt yourself jumping on that crowded bandwagon.
RepoMan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 1:17 PM — 68.213.18.252 — link — abuse?
It was indeed an exciting game, but as Tommie Trojan pointed out, Oklahoma's QB is unproven. Oklahoma was also timid with their running game since AD just came back from missing most of the season. I don't think BSU would have ever gotten to a BCS Bowl if they played a schedule like Oklahoma. It isn't easy to face the "Big Boys" week in & week out. Congrats on your win, but if you go to ESPN.com you can clearly see a picture of Rabb with his hand out of bounds that was wrongly called a TD.
Peter said:
posted on January 2, 2007 1:17 PM — 76.174.77.45 — link — abuse?
Two comments: those weren't really trick plays by Boise State. Trick plays are weird things like fumblerooski and swinging gate. No, those are the kind of creative plays that good, undermanned teams use to help them play with the powers, which brings us to the second point.
Big 12 power teams have a history of failure when they can't just physically overwhelm the opponent. That's why the best football coaching in the Big 12 is usually happening at the schools ranked maybe third to fifth in the conference. Those teams can't just beat you with power. Bob Stoops belongs with an number of other former Big 12 icons. If they can't overwhelm you with their horses, they don't have a clue what to do next.
AUtigerman said:
posted on January 2, 2007 1:20 PM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
One more thing Tommie T the best team on paper dosent always win. Football is and always will be a game played on emotions and skill. One doesnt work to well without the other. Just ask Florida when they lost to Auburn this year. I was at that game.Some may say that Auburn got lucky or Florida choked. Well ill tell you what happened. The players decided they wanted to win and the crowd sinced it.Ive had season tickets for years and have also been to many pro games. The atmosphere that night was like nothing ive ever seen before.And Auburns defence just stepped up to somewhere i didnt think they could go this year.I think Boise State did that same thing.They may lose 99 out of a 100 games against USC or Ohio State but that still leaves one game and id love to see that one game.
Scott 51 said:
posted on January 2, 2007 1:33 PM — 216.135.81.2 — link — abuse?
Tommie T,
I'll have to thank you for including Louisville in those top five teams you mentioned (post #29), but you sound downright bitter about Boise State's incredible win. We've all been burned by trick plays from time to time but the last I read, OU players and coaches said they'd seen 'em all on film - still couldn't stop 'em. C'mon Man, give the Broncos they credit they deserve. Even if it hurts a traditionalist like yourself.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 1:40 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Let's try it this way. I know that the SEC'ers will understand this one.
2003 USC 61 Hawaii 32
2004 USC 55 Oklahoma 192005 USC 63 Hawaii 17
2005 USC 50 Fresno State 42
USC wins by 27.0 per game2005 Fresno State 27 Boise State 7
2005 Fresno State 27 Hawaii 13
2005 Boise State 44 Hawaii 41
Boise loses by 15.5 per gameTherefore in 2005, USC was an average of about 42.5 points better than Boise State, in these games.
For good measure:
2006 Boise State 40 New Mexico State 28
2006 Boise State 42 Idaho 26
2006 Boise State 23 San Jose State 20
2006 Boise State 41 Hawaii 34
Boise State wins these games by 9.5 per game.So, did Boise State really improve by 42.5 points per game this year? If so, why could they only manage to beat those for WAC teams by 9.5 per game? Just because USC did not get to paste any WAC teams this year - does not mean that Boise State was ready to win a National Championship. Losing your head coach, Dan Hawkins, does not make you 42.5 points better. If you don't think USC is just as good as last year - ask Michigan or California or Notre Dame. Oregon State and UCLA got lucky to beat USC - just like Boise State got lucky to beat Oklahoma.
Tommie T
TheBigDee said:
posted on January 2, 2007 1:50 PM — 207.228.52.181 — link — abuse?
Best *Bowl* Game???? Best *football game* ????
No... this was simply the best sporting event ever witnessed!
I believe that everything else in life will pale in comparison to this game. I am going to kill myself, since I now know that life will only get worse!
the-sound-dude said:
posted on January 2, 2007 1:53 PM — 167.88.201.100 — link — abuse?
okay so mad props to the Broncos. they just seemed to have Oklahoma's number. By far one of the greatest games ever played (maybe only the cal/stanford game and the flutie hail mary out rank this one...maybe). I am a fresno resident so I see the broncos all the time and know that they are under-rated and over-looked. I thought if they showed up to play they could make it interesting. What I didn't expect was for BSU to exchange blows in a heavy weight brawl and come out the victor. I thought that they would need some OU disaster to happen for them to pull out a win. On the contrary, BSU went out and made things happen rather than play conservative and hope not to blow the game.
WHAT ABOUT A PLAYOFF!!!! The truth is that most years the BCS schools will win. However what about the years that doesn't happen? Doesn't BSU and Utah deserve a real shot at a National Title. Once in a while the mid-majors will win a national title. But that's not the only reason to have a playoff. The playoff would also show the parity in college football. There would definitley be some upsets in early rounds even if not a Cinderella story. It would also get rid of the GIGANTIC east coast bias if smaller west coast schools had a legit shot. If Rutgers had done exactly what Boise did (same schedule and all) there would be a much larger outcry for a playoff and deserved title shot (soley because they are an east coast team). ALL signs indicated THERE SHOULD BE A PLAYOFF. The presidents and committees who make these decisions need to get their heads out of their butts and make the change already. Once again congrats to Boise (and Oklahoma who also played a heck of game).
scotts said:
posted on January 2, 2007 1:55 PM — 68.12.89.152 — link — abuse?
i have a couple of technical questions.
1. why did boise state get to call the coin toss at the beginning of the game and when it went in to overtime?
2. was there something wrong with the time clock on boise state's final drive to tie the game? i thought they were supposed to start the clock when the officials set the ball? i heard the annoucers mention it once but then they stopped talking about it.
it was an exciting game though, wasn't it!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 1:57 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Scott51:
On the contrary, I am for any WAC team, because my family are all Fresno Bulldog fans. Lots of peeps understand that. I cheered for Boise the whole game. But, some clown mentioned, that Boise State deserved a title shot and would definately beat USC. Give me a break! I've been watchin' WAC football all my life - and Boise State would get drilled by USC. So would Oklahoma. A one point win over Oklahoma, on a couple of gadget plays, don't mean too much to me. It was a spectacular game to watch - but, it did nothing to make Boise State a National contender. Let's keep it all in perspective. Nobody was talkin' about them prior to the game. So, how does a one point win over Oklahoma vault them into any discussion? I'm stickin' up for the two teams that did run the gauntlet and get there - that is Ohio State and Florida. USC did their part and knocked Michigan out. I commented to my relatives, "I'll go ahead and root for Boise, but I can assure you if they win by even one point, they'll start clamouring that they deserve a shot". Sure enough - here they are. I'll still have them ranked about 10th. They had a tremendous year. But, Oklahoma was really not even in the Top 10. So, what's the big deal? It was a great game. But, several teams would wax Boise State.
Tommie T
Scott 51 said:
posted on January 2, 2007 2:04 PM — 216.135.81.2 — link — abuse?
I find it hilarious that Bob Stoops can bring Oklahoma football back to where it is today and fans on this site (including some OU fans) are calling for his head.
It's that kind of sentiment that's keeping great coaches far, far away from Alabama. And if Saban takes the job, I give him three years, tops.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 2:21 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Scott51:
I have had Louisville in my Top 5 all year. I currently have them #3 - right behind Ohio State and USC. I don't consider losses, so much as who you lost to, and who you beat and by how much. I had Michigan and Florida overranked all year. Well, we've seen what happened to Michigan. I would tend to wonder about Ohio State right now - but, not really. I have them by eight over Florida. Ohio State suffered four turnovers against Michigan and still beat them. I don't think that I have Ohio State overranked. I think Louisville should have played Ohio State. That is how good I think they are. They will destroy Wake Forest - but they will not overtake USC probably.
Tommie T
AgGB said:
posted on January 2, 2007 2:25 PM — 66.76.55.152 — link — abuse?
"NCAA football should take a chapter out of the NCAA basketball book and have a playoff."
Then what would we argue about during the week. How much funner is college football with the ranking system? We get to argue back and forth about who's the better team, when we all know deep down who the better teams are. Nobody can truly think that Boise State could play with Ohio State. Also, if you think you're a good enough team to win a nat'l championship, schedule some big time opponents for nonconference games. The Rose Bowl shows that the polls were right about Michigan or Florida for the championship. Most of the bowl games have been close this season, with the exception of a Texas A&M no show and a few unranked teams in lesser bowls. The BCS always at least gets it close. As for the championship game, the only way to get there is to play perfect football against power house opponents.
Also it makes for better football when you know that if you're going to contend for a national title you have to be perfect every game. If it goes to a playoff, then teams might sit back on their heels and not give the best game they have if they know they'll already make the playoffs and have a chance at a national title. BCS system, IMHO is the way to go.
AgGB said:
posted on January 2, 2007 2:33 PM — 66.76.55.152 — link — abuse?
"...if you go to ESPN.com you can clearly see a picture of Rabb with his hand out of bounds that was wrongly called a TD."
GREAT...but that would have been first and goal from 1/2 yard out. Chances are they get in on one of the next 4 plays. Not that big of a deal. Let's not turn this into another "ou hosed by the officials" thing again.
For those ou fans out there that want to get rid of Bob Stoops I say - PLEASE PLEASE do. Make it easier on us in Aggieland. Maybe we could trade you fran for him.
AUtigerman said:
posted on January 2, 2007 2:34 PM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
Tommie
Youll never get it never.People like you run the BCS. They cant explain how a team with less talent could ever win so they just figure lets not give them a chance.Did you ever even play football? My guess is you were in the band. Or since your from california maybe you were a cheerleaderFanoftheGame said:
posted on January 2, 2007 2:41 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
True, Oklahoma probably wasn't a top 10 team. As I've been statin all year, the big 12 is young and having a down year. There are probably 15 to 20 teams in the country that are better than any team in the big 12. Next year will be a different story, however.- But about Boise State. I think a USC vs Boise State matchup might be worth watching. I know that on paper and the weight of traditional football power everything seems to be in USC's favor, but the Broncos can play football. USC dropped 2 games to UCLA and Oregon State. On paper USC should have won both games easily, but that didn't happen. Putting aside all of the excuses for the 2 losses, USC just didn't take care of business as their coach Pete Carrol stated. Everyone knows that Boise State crushed the same Oregon State team that beat the Trojans. The Broncos didn't go undefeated all season riding gimmick and trick plays. They did however do what they had to do to win all their games, unlike every other team in D-1 except Ohio State, who still has Florida to deal with. I agree with Tommie that it just does'nt make sense on paper that Boise State could compete with the "Big Boys" of college football- However, no one to this point has been able to prove that they couldn't compete with the elite teams. Personally, I don't think Boise State is a top 5 team. But I sure as hell can't prove it! It was allready predetermined by the way the voters lean toward perrenial powers and the BCS that Boise State entered the season without any chance of ever getting a shot at a NC game. Still they took the field for every game and disposed of the opposition without fail. They left it up to the BCS to give them a BCS game against a BCS team and they did what was neccessary to come away with another victory. We tend to get too caught up in how things appear on paper rather than allowing teams to decide their own destiny. The BCS os promoting the NC game as a No.1 vs No. 2, but the so called experts seem to think that LSU is probably the best team in college football right now. If the experts are right and LSU is the better team, then the NC game will crown another paper champion. Now, I'm not saying that I agree that LSU is the best team, but if there is any doubt at all, it won't be settled in the NC game. For the record- I don't thing Boise State is a top 5 team. But I do think they deserve a shot to prove me and every other naysayer wrong. Unfortunately for Boise State, a playoff system is the only way they would ever get a shot at the NC.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 3:16 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
FanOfTheGame:
I can't disagree with some of your theories. But, this is exactly why the computers were put in. You can't just have teams that go unbeaten, gain consideration, when they play in notorious weak conferences. You can't have an unbeaten from Conference USA play an unbeaten from the WAC - just because those teams are unbeaten. The computers figure out everything, from SOS, to what the human's vote for. It's already been figured out. What I'm saying is this: the computers aren't going to give Boise State a significant bump just because they beat Oklahoma by one point. Neither are the voters. Now, had the game gone to Boise State 54-10, now that might cause some serious debate. That might even sway me. But, it wasn't, it was a one point win. And, those can happen every day. The computer doesn't forget that Boise only beat San Jose State by three points. It's people who do that. People are only too apt to remember your last game. USC did thump Michigan convincingly - but they did lose to UCLA and Oregon State. They are not worthy of a National Championship, although, they may well be the most talented team. Boise State has not played the kind of competition that Florida has, week in and week out, to be inserted in Florida's spot. That is why the system was created. I am against a playoff. I see no need for it. If Boise wants into the National picture - they need to schedule some top rated opponents with their four OOC games each year. A win over Oregon State is not gonna get it done. They should schedule USC. We had to get Idaho, another WAC team, for a game next year. Where was Boise State when that date opened up? Nowhere to be found - I can guarantee you that. You don't think USC would rather play Boise State at the Coliseum? No question that they would. Boise State tried Georgia in 2005 - and got completely demolished.
Tommie T
HawaiiFan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 3:34 PM — 66.8.219.178 — link — abuse?
Hey everyone...wake up! We play football in the WAC. Hawaii had the best offense in the country followed by...Boise State. The Broncos barely escaped being beat on their home field by us and I bet if you ask them they would tell you they don't want to play us again. Hats off to Boise...represent. That's how we do in the WAC. 3-1 in bowl games this year with a final drive loss to Miami, FL 21-20 by our third place team Nevada! Thanks for doing that to the Sooners Broncos. We always knew your plays would work on anyone. And to all the defectors from the Mountain West...thanks for opening up spots for Boise St. and Nevada. Our conference is much better with them in it instead. Go Warriors!
gamecock4life said:
posted on January 2, 2007 3:57 PM — 65.161.188.11 — link — abuse?
hands down the best game i have ever watched. they came to play an showed everyone that they could, job well done. im glad i was able to watch the whole game. thats what college football is all about, i wish we saw more games like this.
im not gonna say they broncos deserve to national title shot, cause in my mind they do not. however had we had a playoff i personally would not want to play the broncos. all the shifts an trick plays in my mind makes them a team i wouldnt want to play. but i guess with out a playoff its dam near impossible to see a little conference team win it all.
maybe one day a playoff could change all this.
Thee Boise State said:
posted on January 2, 2007 4:20 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
This one Bowl Game helps make-up for an entire season of Lack-Luster College Football across the country this year.
The best Bowl Game ever...? Last year's Rose Bowl was pretty awesome, but this Fiesta Bowl belongs in the All-Time group.
Joe McCarron said:
posted on January 2, 2007 4:24 PM — 71.113.153.129 — link — abuse?
Just checked back on this blog to see what has been said about the most amazing game I ever saw. I can't believe what I'm reading.
Let me start off by saying Oklahoma is a class team as is Coach Stoops - nothing against them. And indeed I feel sorry for them since it seemed an almost no win type bowl game for them.
However, all this talk of Oklahoma would beat Boise 10 out of 11 times is ridiculous. Those saying that must have seen a different game than I did. I saw Boise's defense dominating OU until Boise had a big lead on the scoreboard, and went prevent mode. This allowed OU to get back in the game.
I saw OU take advantage of a freak punt that bounced backward and hit a Boise State players foot. I saw OUs defense only really showing they coudl stop the run from Boise State. Boise State, when they had a lead near the end of the game, went to the run and therefor fell behind in the Offensive stats. I never saw that OU could stop Boise's Offense when it wasn't in conservative clock eating mode.
Boise's O line was giving thier QB tons of time and he was making a bit more of it due to his great speed and awareness. He was right on the money with his passes and they played with trememdous timing.
Teams don't play hook and laterals all the time because it takes great timeing. That Boise State team played great and they played thier own game. Just because they used crazy plays at the end doesn't mean they had to.
When Boise was playing anything but prevent defense OU was going no where. At least that is the case in the game I saw.
Boise played them toe to toe and won that game. They seemed to have a great time doing it too. No offense to OU but Boise is really that good.
Please who really cares about prior years. In College Football you have a new team every year. This may be a one in a million team but they can and do happen.
Would they beat USC would they beat OSU or Florida? Enough talking BS. The fact is we will never know because our College football postseason system stinks. Our Postseason system Needs to drop the "C" because it is simply BS.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on January 2, 2007 4:32 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
That was Bad-Ass.
And for those morons that didnt watch the game and only saw the highlights ("woah-is-me, those games are too late for me to watch"-type of people), dont think that Boise State relied on trick plays to make it a game. Boise State man-ed up against Oklahoma all game... and only pulled out the bag of tricks when they were called for.
Mike Riley/Oregon St had the Balls to go for the 2-Pt Conversion to Win the Sun Bowl... but THESE play calls from Chris Peterson/Boise State to Win the Fiesta Bowl were Insane!gravy69 said:
posted on January 2, 2007 4:33 PM — 71.111.158.99 — link — abuse?
Hey RepoMan,
Are you kidding me? Raab was OB on the touchdown?
You Sooner fans are a bunch of whiny little girls. You lost. Face it.
What's your record in your last 3 BCS games? Oh yeah, 0-3, and you got smoked in 2 of those.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 4:39 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
AUTigerman:
I get it just fine. You are the one who does not get it. I'm only going by what the rules are. I don't run the BCS. I am totally against the BCS. The BCS was created, not by me, but by others (namely the people who run the Auburn's of CF) - to make sure that undeserving teams don't get into the NC game. Oh, and there is a whole lotta money at stake. In fairness, there were scenario's that could allow for a Boise State, to get a piece of the pie. But, like many other teams, the Broncos have to continually win "Big Games" to get to the level required to earn a "Title Shot". Louisville is on the verge. Rutgers could get there along with Boise State - eventually. Florida State was not built in a day. Neither was Miami of Florida. These things take time. I know a little about football. I know that in the big picture of things - that Oklahoma is still down. They may sink further next year. I think that Boise State had a tremendous year. But, the two teams that have been picked to play in the NC game have already been picked. Boise State was not one of them. And, a one point win over Oklahoma does not change my feeble mind. This dumb azz still thinks that Ohio State and Florida have earned the right. Sorry, but I would do away with the BCS - and go back to the way it used to be. That way, any team that had a tremendous Bowl victory, could still be voted on as a National Champion - if the voters so preferred. We'll never even know if Ohio State and Florida are even the best teams. But, the system says "they earned it". A playoff would never solve the problem either - as there are always upsets. It's just part of the game. Some really tremendous team would be upset every single year. You would never have the best two teams left at the end. Do you really think that the NCAA Basketball Tournament has ever gotten it right? There have been nine-loss teams play for the Championship, while some unbeaten team lost one game, and they're out? Come on! You can't possibly think that Boise State is one of the two very best teams? Really?
Tommie T
Defender90 said:
posted on January 2, 2007 4:44 PM — 76.170.239.209 — link — abuse?
I have to confess I had only seen the Brocos play in a couple of WAC games, although I was usually impressed with their offensive schemes. Last night's game was insane, though! BSU went toe-to-toe with the vaunted Sooners for the entire game, even when it seemed as if the inevitable would happen and Goliath would step on David. Instead, viewers were treated to an amazingly gutsy series of play-calls and incredible execution by a team that would not go away. Congrats to OU for the near comeback to get back into the game, but even bigger props to Boise State and its fans for providing the college football world with a textbook example of what makes this game so special. The 2007 Fiesta Bowl will definitely go down as one of the best. games. ever.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on January 2, 2007 4:47 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Chud,
The games are played On The Field, not on paper (comparing measurables), not in your head... and Coaching is a part of The Game! If a team "overlooked" another team, Thats Their Own Fault. That was something that that-team was Lacking... it all matters.
Boise State BEAT Oklahoma.
.gatorhippy said:
posted on January 2, 2007 4:50 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
SoCal:
Agreed...
What's the point of having a bag of tricks if you ain't gonna use them...
If there was ever a time to use the last page in the playbook...
I would think that a BCS bowl in overtime is the time to do it...
And in all reality the two point conversion was nothing more than a play action fake and misdirection...
They had been setting it up all game...
Hell, Peteresen and Jarred Z said they had been setting it up ALL SEASON!!!
HarvinforHeisman07 said:
posted on January 2, 2007 4:51 PM — 72.158.254.34 — link — abuse?
Tommie-
I really can't believe a guy that knows as much about college football as you would say that there's no need for a tournament. What a crock!And I have two direct questions for you. How can you say that USC would blowout Boise? When the biggest prize was on the line this year they could not beat an undermanned, inferior team like UCLA in a nuetral setting!!!! So to say that because they were playing Boise they would win is a joke and you know it. Boise would hammer UCLA.
Secondly, you (and others) who keep saying that Boise should schedule tougher opponents if they want respect are either igorant or just in a dream world. Do you think USC (or any other power) would ever come to Boise? Hell no - they won't give up the homefield payday and risk a potential loss. So why should they have to go on the road to gain respect?
Why do you think USC agrees to travel to ND every other year? It isn't to strengthen their schedule - it's for the $$$$. The mid-majors have no shot in this system without a playoff. So if you are any type of sports fan, you should pull for a playoff. If not a playoff, create a new division for the so called mid-majors.
The Gators and Buckeyes are getting their shot at the mythical national championship. But the Gators have a real championship under their belts and no one can dispute that one!
FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 2, 2007 5:06 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
Tommie:
You make great points and I too can agree with alot of them. SOS is very important and is made so important due to the fact that everyone doesn't play everyone else to determine the outcomes head to head. However, just because a team may not play the toughest schedule, doesn't necessarily mean they are not worthy of a National Title game. I'm not saying Boise State is a top 5 team, but it is very possible for a a team to be the best iin the country even if they haven't played the toughest schedule. The SOS is a measuring stick for ranking the better teams in the nation and if an undefeated team's SOS isn't very tough then they are religated to an honorable mention status among the nation's elite. I am a believer in the SOS formula for helping evaluate the better teams in the country, but I do not believe it is the "tell-all" of which teams do and do not belong among the nations's best. A computer is only going to spew forth information that has been manually fed into it. Depending on the value assigned to the information fed into the computer. The computer is only going to calculate the information using a manually inputed equation and formulate a preconceived answer based on a desired result. This in no way could possibly be more accurate than acquiring results by head to head play (playoffs). If there was any possible way to determine these outcomes via the computer then Vegas would be a ghost town. I will say that the computers give us an educated guess as to which teams appear to be better than others, but it's only a guess. Do you know what they call a 30 to 1 underdog that wins the Kentucky Derby?...............the Kentucky Derby Winner! 30 to 1 is no where near the favorite in the race, but he has a shot, and that's why they run the race. Again, I personally don't think that Boise State is a top 5 team- but if they played Ohio State tomorrow I bet that the Buckeyes wouldn't be 30 to 1 favorites. Definately favored but not 30 to 1. So why not play the game? Just a thought.So Cal USMC said:
posted on January 2, 2007 5:17 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Boise State would belong in "the conversation", be-it in a potential Playoff or in the BCS Title Game, IF AND WHEN they start beating Oklahoma(11 Wins) type of teams DURING THE REGULAR SEASON.
Scheduling a Georgia, and an Oregon State, once in a while is not gonna do it... though it is heading down the right track. Had Boise State scheduled/beaten Oklahoma insted of Sacramento State to go along with scheduling/beating Oregon State in the same Season in back-to-back early Non-Conference games, then maybe Boise State would have been in the Conversation. Maybe. They woulda definitely up-ed their credentials. And as Hawaii, Reno, San Jose St, and Fresno St Up their game (schedule/beat some good OOC opponents), winning the WAC would begin to mean a bit more, and so-on and so-on.
Boise State, keep scheduling those major-conference teams, improve your SOS and you'll force your way into the conversation.
BoiseBlu said:
posted on January 2, 2007 5:32 PM — 15.235.137.71 — link — abuse?
So Cal,
As was previously mentioned. It's not that BSU doesn't want to play "major" programs, it's that they don't want to play BSU. No way is USC going to give up a 80,000 seat payday for a 30,000 seat payday or risk losing on the Boise blue. If you don't want a play off require BCS conference teams to play non-BCS teams that might be a challenge. Otherwise you cannot continue to hold teams down for something they have no control over.
ID_Jim said:
posted on January 2, 2007 5:39 PM — 204.76.195.33 — link — abuse?
I am a huge BSU fan, and hands down that was one of the most exciting, thrilling Bowl games (heck college games) I have ever seen. Nice work Boise. And nice job OU for a fantastic drive back! But even through all that, I do agree with some Sooner fans, how many games would BSU win if these two faced off 10 times, tough to say, but the odds would still be in OU's favor. Could BSU hang with USC? hmm? Maybe hang with them, but even I (BSU freak) would have to say they wouldnt win. That being said, Hats off to Boise State for one of the most exciting wins I personally have witnessed. They deserve the glory they worked for this year and did a great job. And until the last 2 minutes they did it "trick play" free.
Blutto said:
posted on January 2, 2007 5:51 PM — 166.216.33.9 — link — abuse?
Tommie T. WAHNAAA WAHNAAA.. We get it. BSU is not OSU...
Nobody gave us a chance in hell to beat OU...
but..........................????Thats why the games are played on the field.
With your brilliant insight you don't even need to watch the games.
PopsMich said:
posted on January 2, 2007 5:58 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Boise State, along with TCU, Hawaii, BYU and Nevada have made their case emphatically this Bowl season for inclusion with the "Elite" (or should we say "legacy") CFB programs.
Should they be Co-Champs THIS year? Absolutely NOT. Beating Oregon State and Oklahoma just doesn't compare to the grind of the major conferences. However, a Playoff gauntlet (even 3 games) would be better suited, and with the right breaks I believe one of the above teams could even win it all.
Rudy said:
posted on January 2, 2007 6:14 PM — 67.60.40.187 — link — abuse?
Tommie T Why don"t you go and play a game of hide and go F__k your self? Boise State just gave you the best game in history, and you get up on your self rightious stool and spew stats and opinions that make you feel superior to us. Get bent!! Bsu has smacked down everyone in the past five years. I happen to think that they could beat USC. Ohio State move over if you don't win BSU National Champs!!! ROD
Todd said:
posted on January 2, 2007 6:18 PM — 70.241.110.135 — link — abuse?
You guys and girls are funny! The broncos BARELY beat a team that gave them 4 turnovers..It was a great game and my hat is off to the broncos but they couldnt even stay on the field with OSU..It was poor play by OU that gave boise state the win not good ball by bsu.
osutfan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 6:27 PM — 71.145.169.83 — link — abuse?
Last year it was UT's last second heroics for the National Championship and this year it is Boise State! Who says the bowl system is outdated? I'll take one of these a year anyday. Go Florida and let the debate continue!!!
katharizo said:
posted on January 2, 2007 7:01 PM — 64.126.168.26 — link — abuse?
I grew up and was nurtured by the slogan: "Who do we hate? Boise State!" But, I must admit that I was cheering them on last night. Congrats BSU! Great game...it'll be one that we'll talk about for years. Doesn't matter what any of the monday morning quarterbacks are saying...last night you earned it!
PS: Just before BSU went for two, I told my boy "they should run that Statue of Liberty play that they ran against Idaho this year"...I'm a prophet!
Great job by my beloved Trojans also!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 7:04 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
HarvinForHeisman07:
Guy, I'm not for the "little guy". I'm for USC. I'm for USC winning every game forever. I don't care if anybody wins games except for USC's opponents. That helps USC. I could care less what any other teams do. I would like to see the PAC get stronger, even at the expense of losing a few more games, just to give USC a better shot at playing for National Championships. I don't need a playoff. Are you a Gator fan or what? Are you willing to give up your place at the table in order to be fair? Personally, I don't care what is fair. Al Davis coined the motto, "Just win, Baby"! That takes care of all things. Too bad that Al Davis doesn't understand his own philosophy anymore. The Raiders used to be a shining light. Now, any team can just keep winning. Florida State and Miami did years ago when they were not anywhere near football powers. We see Rutgers taking that step. We see several teams in the BE taking that step. If they all keep winning - you can't hold them back. A win or two doesn't cut the mustard. Florida had to run the guantlet and win several big games while only taking one on the chin - by an Auburn I might add. No shame there. No, call me old fashioned. I'm like Smith-Barney, "You got to earn it the old fashioned way".
Tommie T
easternfan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 8:03 PM — 67.72.98.87 — link — abuse?
Tommie T: I agree with you on most things 9 out of 10 times, however you should lighten up on BSU. They won the game, period. Was it the greatest game ever, no, but a great and entertaining game it was. Sometimes the team with the most talent isnt the best TEAM. Take UCLA beating your Trojans, or to be fair, So Florida beating my Mounties, the other team wins those games 4 out of 5 times, but the underdog only had to do it once and it counts.
gatorhippy said:
posted on January 2, 2007 8:10 PM — 70.121.109.213 — link — abuse?
Tommie (#68):
Then why even have a 1 vs 2 bowl game...
The MNC should just be awarded on merit of the season...
In a year such as this OSU shouldn't even have to play again...
Just crown them and be done with it...
Playoffs are the ultimate "Just win, baby" scenario...
Once you get there it's all about winning and the losers go home...
For sure coaches like Tressel and Carroll; who have experience in playoff settings; would surely thrive and be able to drive their teams through such a bracket at an advantage to other college coaches...
The BCS, 1 vs 2 matchup and conference champ games are the beginnings of a playoff system...
Like it or not...
As the dinosaurs in CFB and the bowl system slowly fade out...
It will be here...
There is just too much money to be made by it...
Someday it will be here
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 8:25 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
That's funny. Haven't seen one single Bronco fan on here all year. They win one game and now they want to tell us all to go pound sand.
Fact of the matter is: I have had Boise State rated higher than Oklahoma all year long. I won money by taking Boise and the points. Yet, I got all these Bronco morons calling me out because I say they don't deserve to play in the NC game. Why have I said that? Because it's already been set. It's really simple. It was one of these clowns who said that Boise State would beat USC. I say no way. So what! Get your AD to schedule the game. Yes, that's right, USC won't be coming to Boise because there isn't enough money in it. But, you're welcome to come here anytime. Get your AD to give Mike Garrett a call. I'm sure he can work something out. Boise State had a really great year. But, come on people - it's a one point win. Are you crazy or what. Fresno State has won many games against upper echelon BCS conference teams. I don't see many of them gettin' all hysterical over it. My team won a pretty big Bowl game yesterday - I'm not claiming that they should have played Ohio State. It's too bad there wasn't just one more game after that. I would lend my support to Boise to play the winner of the Ohio State/Florida game. What the hell? Boise 13-0 and ranked in the Top 10. I would send them. Does that make anybody happy? Didn't think so.Tommie T
katharizo said:
posted on January 2, 2007 8:38 PM — 24.117.233.5 — link — abuse?
Tommy:
re: post #79
Great post! I'm sure if BSU wants to step up and challenge USC, that Idaho would be more than happy to swap openers with them next year (USC is Idaho's opener...Thanks Nick Holt!)
I'm happy for BSU's win this year. They should be very proud of themselves. Its teams like Utah and BSU that have brought some respect to mid-majors...but claiming a national title or that they are better than USC? Come on! If USC had played BSU's schedule, they would have been undefeated also.
Huskerdude said:
posted on January 2, 2007 8:50 PM — 24.119.76.97 — link — abuse?
As pointed out, this game had more momentum swings than any game in recent history. Considering BSUs season long momentum, they would likely have beaten any team last night. Newton's laws applied folks, like it or not.
I've watched them on the blue field and it's a stadium energy not unlike Nascar. You have to see it to believe it. Good job Broncos, you deserved it.
Randy K.AUtigerman said:
posted on January 2, 2007 9:16 PM — 68.1.33.227 — link — abuse?
Tommie T
Thanks for responding.I never for one moment would say that Boise State week end and week out could contend with some of the other teams. However, why is NCAA division one football the only sport to not allow the cinderella story to even loose the glass slipper. They want to stop it before its started. If your philosophy is true then Boise State wouldnt get past the secound round anyway.But can you imagine the interest it would generate.Personally i thought after watching UCS play this weekend they would be unbeatable.In what other sport are you virtually eliminated after one bad game. To me its almost laughable.
If its all about money which obviously its not ( I personnally watched almost every game this weekend at least part of the games, and even though they were reported as sell outs they werent even close in most cases.)then a playoff would generate millions more. No, theres something more to it, perhaps power or under the table corruption money im not sure.Shouldnt it be about allowing all teams a fair chance to compete.Either that or quit calling it a National Championship.Seriously this isnt a judged sport.Its all about the game or at least it really should be.JP said:
posted on January 2, 2007 9:17 PM — 64.2.10.96 — link — abuse?
I am a BSU grad with a slightly different take on the game. I think BSU was better than expected, but OU was worse than expected.
BSU is not in Ohio State or Flroida or USC class.
I thought OU was bigger but not faster. BSU was far better prepared than OU-- and that accounted for the 28-10 lead.
OU was wearing BSU down by end of game. BUT, game would have ended 35- 10 or 35-17 BSU, except for: a bad bounce on a punt (to hit a BSU player from behind) and a really horrible throw by Jared Z returned for a TD.
THE REAL POINT-- THE GAME IS PROOF OF WHY WE NEED A PLAYOFF SYSTEM IN D-I FOOTBALL.
WHO IS BEST WOULD BE DECIDED ON THE FIELD.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 9:32 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
GatorHippy:
You know I hate the BCS format. I'm not for any of this #1 vs #2 crap. I liked it just fine the way it was in the "old days". Back then, if you had four unbeaten teams, they would probably all play in Major Bowl games - and the voters would decide afterward who looked most impressive depending on who they played. Nobody was left out. Ten teams got to play on New Year's Day. Sugar, Rose, Orange, Fiesta and Cotton Bowls. Ten great teams. Sometimes #1 and #2 would play. Sometimes #1 could play #3 or #4. Those teams had a shot. The way it is now just sucks. It isn't my idea. I have no problem with just winning the Rose Bowl. To me in my mind, it doesn't even matter what Ohio State and Florida do, USC is #1 in my opinion. That's good enough for me and I don't expect for anybody to care what I think about that at all.
GatorHippy, check it out, if your boyz "blow out" Ohio State you'll know what I mean. And, you'll find that you don't have to be playing for "the National Championship" to get that feeling. In 2002 we wasted Iowa in the Orange Bowl. What a game! Didn't win the NC - but it didn't matter. 2003 beat the crap outta Michigan in the Rose Bowl. Wasn't supposed to get a share but somehow did. 2006 beat Michigan again. And, this game yesterday was the greatest of them all. Ranks right there with the "beat down" of Oklahoma. In my mind, USC is a Champion, every single year. I don't really care who the rest of the world thinks is #1. Until somebody beats my Trojans in a Bowl game - they aint #1. Texas was #1 last year. No doubt about it. That's just me and my team. Anybody can feel that way. Louisville only has one loss. Boise State has none. LSU has played very impressive ball since early on. Who really knows or cares about who is really #1? Do you not think the Trojans might not be able to smack Ohio State around some? Sure they could - on a good day. All teams have good games and bad games. It's just a matter of who's playing who when it all happens. People like to say: "Tommie, the games aren't played on paper". Hey, I'm the one telling you that. I'm only into the "averages". I can tell you what the probability is that USC plays a good game and Michigan plays a bad game and visa versa. The mean on that is the probability that one team or another wins or beats the spread. The best team is the one with the higher percentages IMHO. On any day - anything can happen. What I'm saying is this: whoever wins any game doesn't prove anything. It's all only one game. And, it's not that important that we need to "Crown an absolute Champion", because we'll never know for sure even if we had a playoff. Do you think that if the Chargers get upset in the playoffs that they were not the best team? I say they are. But, many times the best team doesn't always win the game. Do you really think that either Oregon State or UCLA could beat USC again this year? I don't. I think they would both get destroyed. But, on that one day, they were Champions. And, there are many Champions in College Football. Many of them!Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 10:00 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Katharizo:
Only one disagreement. USC still would have probably lost to Oregon State if they had had Boise State's schedule. They would have missed the UCLA loss and ended up at 11-1. There would have been no talk of an 11-1 USC team, from the WAC, playing for the National Championship. They would have been lucky to be ranked in the Top 20. The SOS would not have been there and USC would slowly melt into a San Jose State. They would never win the "National Recruiting Wars", because no kid in his right mind, would want to dodge bullets all day just to play in the WAC. Nope, no matter what USC did in the WAC, they could only hope to do, what Boise State did yesterday. Boise State needs to push for entrance into the PAC10. They are starting to get leverage.
Tommie T
AUtigerman said:
posted on January 2, 2007 10:13 PM — 68.1.33.227 — link — abuse?
Tommie T
I think im starting to figure you out a little.
You seem to be very passionate about USC, like many of us are about our teams. Perhaps the difference is that USC dosent get left on the outside looking in very often.Try going 12-0 in what was rated the toughest division and being left out of the title game. Then to rub salt on an open wound have 4 players off that same team drafted in the first round.Then after all that put 17, count them, 17 players from that same team in the NFL and still be ranked third in the BCS final polls after the seasons over.We may not have beating USC that year but i would have put that team against any team in the country.It truly was a great team. Thats why you cant leave football to writers.Adam said:
posted on January 2, 2007 10:24 PM — 70.234.160.170 — link — abuse?
FUNNY!!! Got to read!!
To people that think BSU should go to the national championship:
First off, BSU didn't win....OU lost! OU played like crap and still almost won, that should tell you something. Now to the whole "BSU is undefeated so it's so plain and simple" Boise State is undefeated and so therefore deserves a shot at the National Title huh? Well look at their schedule, LOL
Schedule/ Boise State Football
Regular Season
Date Opponent
Aug 31: Happy Valley Elementary School
Sep 07 :Idaho Falls Nursing home residents
Sep 16: Madison Vocational Schools for the mentally challenged
Sep 23: Mrs. Johnsons 2nd grade class
Sep 30: Ashley Hall Academy for Girls
Oct 07: Oklahoma State University
Oct 15: Albany K-12 After School Program
Oct 21: Lady Lions Women’s Flag Football
Week 9: LSBU Pee Wee’s
Nov 01: Greenwood Elementary School
Nov 11: California health facility
Nov 18: Utah State
Nov 25: Kent Junior HighAll times are Eastern
Yeh, if anybody played the teams they played they would all be 12-0CROW said:
posted on January 2, 2007 10:30 PM — 74.130.121.56 — link — abuse?
Way to go Boise!!! In a "perfect world " they should have been playing OSU for the title...
Not almost got beat by many unranked teams throughout the year..yea thats right i am talking about the lizards at the swamp. Hey..but lets see if Meyer says it was a bunch of bad calls or the lizards just could not get up for the game( reasons for getting beat by +14 pts). Tradition + titles is fodder for grandads..
and have not seen a title help a team yet..ask Pitt with "9" Go Buckeyes..Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 10:45 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
AUtigerman:
I have always maintained that that was one of the greatest shaft jobs ever. I have pointed out many times that that Auburn team is rated about #22 of all time (or maybe higher - I'd have to look it up) and never got to play for all the marbles. Now clearly, Oklahoma after getting hammered 55-19, was not one of the TOP TWO in that particular year. If you recall, Oklahoma was the "Media Darling" of the day. People wanted to hate on USC at that time. Never could understand that. All they did was go out and pound Oklahoma into nothingness. This is exactly why I don't like the BCS system. That was the most blatant scenario and it will happen again. Being a Trojan supporter - I have no problem whatsoever with any Tiger who feels like claiming the National Championship for that year. How could I ever argue that? We never even played and neither one lost. As I understand it, Auburn did have the tougher SOS that season, but both Oklahoma and USC were voted in. So Auburn did play the tougher schedule, went unscathed, and was left out of the party. The problem was that USC blasted that team so hard that it was almost impossible to get Auburn a split vote. Anyway, that was a real raw deal for Auburn. And, it's absolute proof that these people who vote on these things don't have any idea who the really good teams are. They all had Michigan up there to beat USC this year. Come on - that's what I'm talkin' about. It was all hype from the very beginning. Sadly, my team will have to be hated again next season, as it looks like we'll be crowned as #1 to open the season. That is a real good spot to be in with this stupid BCS format. Give me the ol' days. In 2004 USC would have played in the ROSE, Oklahoma in the ORANGE and Auburn would have been in the SUGAR. Depending on who got who, and who played the best, Auburn may have come out on top. Feel free to claim a Championship that year. Auburn earned it.
Tommie T
T-Mac said:
posted on January 2, 2007 11:04 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
AUtigerman, post 87. Stop trying to figure Tommie Trojan out bro. I've been trying for a long time now. Tommie is a very complicated individual. It's a tough nut to crack AUtigerman. Kinda like a Mystery! The Mystery of Tommie T^.
Wow, that sounds like a Barnes & Noble bestseller.
Yeeeeeaaaahhhh!!! What's up Tommie??? USC looked damn good in the Rose Bowl bro. Props.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 11:16 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
T-Mac:
My boyz showed up to do their part. You SEC'ers ought to really like that. Put all that Michigan talk to rest. Looks a little better for Florida also. But, keep in mind, Ohio State turned it over four times and still beat Michigan and the score really wasn't as close as the outcome. So, personally, I don't know what to make of it. I knew Michigan was in trouble, as I was watchin' how bad Wisconsin looked against Arkansas, who's QB was a one-armed midget I might add. If Arky has a QB - they blow those guys out. Penn State turned around and surprised me though. So, I'm back to where I was to begin with, unless you want to consider that meltdown of Minnesota's. Looks like the Big10 was a little overrated though. And, I thought that OSU had the easiest ride of em' all. So, maybe Florida can get this one. I'm still tryin' to refigure it.
Tommie T
T-Mac said:
posted on January 2, 2007 11:31 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Tommie, you are right on. USC played lights out. All game long. I had USC picked to win by 7. They won by 14. I was impressed with their level of play. The Michigan defense was...well I don't know where they were. I don't think it would've mattered though. USC probably would have just put up about 50 points on em. You know me Tommie. I'm all about SEC FB, but I'm honest as well. I've had OSU beatin Florida and I still do. I'm not gonna try and pick a score because at this point it would be ridiculous. It could be a smash-mouth defensive battle or an over-the-top-offensive showdown. I'm looking forward to it.
T-Mac said:
posted on January 2, 2007 11:44 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
You see Henry, Me and Tommie know how to handle the women. Henry, In any relationship YOU have to put yourself first bro. If you don't then you will find yourself wearing an apron cooking 3 meals a day. Do you want that Henry? I didn't think so. Heres what YOU do Henry. Don't have sex with her for about 2 weeks bro. After that time get her 1 rose. 1 rose. When you get home, put it on her for a good hour bro. Bang, Bang, Bang, bro. She will be calling you Daddy asking you how you like those eggs. Fried, Over easy, or Scrambled!!!
It's all good in the 07Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 2, 2007 11:45 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
T-Mac:
Don't get me wrong. Bein' the ol' PAC10'er that I am - I would never consider conference strength as a criteria for any one certain team. Obviously, USC can always be a really good team playing in a subpar conference. But, my only wonder is if Ohio State would have really gone unbeaten had they played about six teams that could have given em' hell. Some teams could be unbeatable in a particular year, and I'm havin' a hard time tryin' to get my head around that, bein' that I haven't thought that the Big10 was very good this year. And, having Texas not melted down - I might have felt a little better about Ohio State. All indications are that Ohio State is probably about the eight points better than Florida. But, is it really 3-4 points? The closer it gets to zero the easier it is for that worm to turn. I had USC about six points better than Michigan all year. I could have thrown in three for homefield and made it nine - but I called it USC 24 Michigan 20. It wasn't really that much of a game. I knew that Michigan would never run the ball and that things would get out of hand when they had to throw 1st. The advantage I had was in my team. I know that defense. I hate to even mention this - but the same thing might have happened to Ohio State. Florida also has a relentless defense, and their secondary, are better ball hawks than USC's is. So, I'm not so sure that Florida can't rise up and get this one. Care to critique the LSU/Notre Dame game? Oh, never mind......
Tommie T
T-Mac said:
posted on January 3, 2007 12:04 AM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Tommie, LSU/Notre Dame is a little hard for me at this point. The reason being is that everyone has written Notre Dame off as the sure losers. Anytime this happens it can come back and bite you in the A$$. LSU has a very strong defense and a very capable offense. Their special teams are above average as well. That being said, I think this could be a case of LSU going into the game cocky. Maybe I'm wrong on this one. I don't know. I'm not saying that LSU is taking ND lightly or anything. It just seems to me that all the talk is of LSU stomping ND. Anytime you have this it seems that the underdog comes to fight.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 3, 2007 12:06 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Henry:
Gonna have to help your better. I reread post #89 and could sense your desperation. Now, I'm kinda in agreement with T-Mac on this one, but you have got to leave the house. If you can get the set in the car - that is an added bonus. But, Henry, a Castle without ESPN is not a home. I usually drive away, oh about 500 miles or so (headin' up to Northern Cal), and either go visit some relatives or just get a motel. While the games are on, I call about every 15 minutes or so, and let her know how all my favorite teams are doin' on that day. Usually, she'll ask me if there are any other women around - but she'll never really know for sure.
So the idea Henry, is that when she thinks she's regaining control in the relationship (by commanding the remote control), you snatch it all away by going and finding another remote somewhere else. This just drives em' nuts. There standin' there holding a remote that has no outcome on your life whatsoever. And, like T-Mac said, you stay gone for around two whole weeks. I guarantee you, when you get back, she'll have gone down to circuit city and pickedup the most expensive high definition setup you could imagine. Not only will she be fryin' up those eggs - she'll be over programmin' your brand new remote so you can find all your favorite programs more easily. Try it out.Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 3, 2007 12:12 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
T-Mac:
Well, the only way I can't lose my next bet with Mooka is for Notre Dame to pull the shocker on LSU. What's bad is that I'd rather face more PAC10 humiliation from the SEC'ers than to ever pray for Notre Dame. I guess I'm just not a TouchDown Jesus kinda guy. I'd rather go down in a blaze of glory than ever hope that Notre Dame might win. I'll just take my lumps.
Tommie T
Huskerdude said:
posted on January 3, 2007 12:16 AM — 24.119.76.97 — link — abuse?
Read number 88 for the most immature statement so far.
I can give her one and only one good point; the strength of schedule is pertinent. You don't plow through ANY division 1A schedule, win the Fiesta Bowl, and not deserve the title of Champion of the Fiesta Bowl. Without upsets, what a boring sport it would be and it's shameful for the naysayers to not jump on board and congratulate a job well done. Inspiring for dozens of similar programs.
Randy K.SuzyQ said:
posted on January 3, 2007 2:00 AM — 24.116.32.134 — link — abuse?
Re: Post#80 Katharizo,
If you recall, USC did play one team in common with Boise State- Oregon, and they lost. So your statement that if USC played Boise State's schedule, they'd be undefeated too is without merit. I don't even follow football that closely, but at least I got that right.'Cane Mutiny said:
posted on January 3, 2007 2:52 AM — 65.10.113.128 — link — abuse?
Best bowl ever? Puh-leeze.
It was a pretty great game, and I stayed up to the end without hesitation. It was an exciting upset for Boise State, but no way you can call this the greatest bowl ever.
Ohio State-Miami edges this one out, simply because it was more important. Who cares if Boise State, a WAC team that probably couldn't come close to any real competition, beats a less-than-perfect Oklahoma team. It was a fun game to watch, yeah, but there was no significance.
But I don't consider Ohio State-Miami the greatest either, by far. (I personally like the 1984 Orange Bowl in that respect, which also featured a gutsy two-point coversion call, and happened to give my Hurricanes the national championship.)
Anyhow, good game, but not the best.
Sooner Joe said:
posted on January 3, 2007 4:02 AM — 71.11.131.250 — link — abuse?
If Stoops could get his boys to play w/ that much passion and heart? Did he serve them pre-game meal 5 minutes before the game? Shouldn't have lost that game, but when you don't show up until the 3rd quarter... that is what happens! I will say this... when Stoops teams tank...they sure do tank!!! No way could Boise State get up next week and play at that level again. Some of those players most likely didn't get out of bed until noon and needed a cruth to pee!!! If you would of told me after we lost Bomar that we play for a BCS game, I would have called you crazy! We lost... I'll get over it and see us playing in another very soon. can't win a BCS game every year, but you can play in one every year!!!! Boomer Sooner
P.S. Boiste State... Savor the Flavor because it won't happen again!!! Congrats...
HookEmHorns said:
posted on January 3, 2007 6:01 AM — 131.60.10.106 — link — abuse?
Just be glad all of Texas high school football players don't stay in TX. If that were the case the SEC, PAC-10, and Big 10 would all be considered mid majors with the exception of FL, FL state, Ohio State, and Michigan. If you don't beleive it just look at the following rosters. Sooners, OK State, KS State, KS, Arkansas, LSU, and Iowa State a third of all these teams are TX HS players. To a lesser degree, look at Iowa, Miami, FL state, Colorado, ND.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 3, 2007 8:46 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
HookEmHorns:
Your outta your mind, dude! I don't think So Cal needs your players. I think we usually have about one at any time. We gotta enough in California to supply the whole PAC10, WAC and MWC plus many others all over the country. True, Texas is a great recruiting hotbed along with California and Florida. My personal opinion is that more players are supplied from California and the deep South. But, Texas supplies a whole bunch of them. USC will never need to have Texas players. It's always nice to "steal" a good one though.
Tommie T
ID_Jim said:
posted on January 3, 2007 8:50 AM — 204.76.195.33 — link — abuse?
We can bash on Tommie all we want, but what he is saying makes sense folks. Boise State has had a great season, nothing can take away that, or their win against OU. Would they "crush" USC? ...uumm I dont think so. BSU fans (and Im one of them) lets not get too ahead of ourselves, The Fiesta Bowl is probably the biggest thing to happen to the State of Idaho, hands down. So what would give BSU more limelight? Now, what I would like to see, (if this would ever happen is unknown), is the PAC10 expand to the PAC12 and pull a couple of teams up, maybe Boise from the WAC and possibly Utah from the MW? Then they would have to play the USC', the UCLA's, Oregon etc. and definately some stronger non-conference games as well. That would be cool, a dream maybe, but cool.
UWDAWG said:
posted on January 3, 2007 9:51 AM — 82.206.158.26 — link — abuse?
#109..It'd be interesting how many Texas High School players are currently on PAC-10 rosters, starting or otherwise(The Arizona schools probably have a few, but I doubt the West Coasthas much, if any)...I did notice that you failed to mention any PAC-10 States in your monologue...In that vain, however, I would like to thank California for their High School players...Washington, and Oregon would indeed not be able to field a D1 team were it not for farming California...In fact, Pete Carroll's arrival was the same time that NW football began it's dive(That and Neuheisel)...His recruiting fence around the Golden State really hurts us up here...
gatorhippy said:
posted on January 3, 2007 10:05 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
PAC-10 expansion would need to take into consideration the way it is set up currently...
Around rivalries...
Oregon vs OSU
Zona vs Zona St
USC vs UCLA
Stanford vs Cal
Wash vs WSU
If they can expand and keep this type of matchup/rivalry with their additions then I say go ahead...
If not, then it shouldn't be messed with...
Maybe Utah vs Utah St...
But I doubt they would leave a conference where they are competitive for one where they are going to struggle...
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 3, 2007 10:29 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
ID_Jim:
It's not a dream. There is pressure to go to a playoff for the PAC10. As GatorHippy has pointed out - rivalries have got to be maintained. You'd have to have six in a north and six in the south - like some of the other conferences are set up. If Boise keeps winning - they are the real likely "have to have". I don't think many others have interested the PAC10 in recent years. I had forgotten about Utah. That's a nice team also. Any way - this thing will eventually happen.
It could go like this:
SOUTH:
USC,UCLA,ARIZONA STATE,ARIZONA,CALIFORNIA & STANFORD
NORTH:
OREGON,OREGON STATE,WASHINGTON,WASHINGTON STATE
(and BOISE STATE w/ (UTAH,BYU or HAWAII - maybe FRESNO STATE).Any of the other four could end up being a "natural rivalry for Boise. It could work. You guys have got to keep fillin' those stadiums and winning games.
Tommie T
OU Fan said:
posted on January 3, 2007 10:57 AM — 139.139.161.12 — link — abuse?
I think this game has to be one of the greatest games of all time. But, to the people who think that Boise State could beat Ohio State, USC, LSU, etc, you guys are a bunch of idiots. Boise State beat OU because they had the chance to go for the 2 point conversion in OT. And every one can dog on the Sooners all they want to, but OU did come back from being down 28-10 and then was up 35-28. The 4th and 18 lateral play was a PERFECT, ONCE in a lifetime play that worked and is now in the history books. I kind of thought Ian whoever fumbled the ball in OT, but thats just me. Sometimes I do wonder what the score would have been like had Paul Thompson not thrown so many interceptions. However, I'm not mad at Paul because he stepped up to the plate this season. And I think Stoops is an excellent coach. OU's record has been outstanding since he has took over the program. Bob Stoops is now 4-4 in bowl games. To me, thats not bad. Plus, I'm not the type of fan who wants to have my team's coach fired because he doesn't win a national title every year. Boise State got lucky. Boise State had the chance to go for the win at the end, and there was nothing OU could do after it happened. And Boise State fans, I bet every dollar that I will ever make in my lifetime that your Bronocos will never win a national championship. And Tommie Trojan, I agree with you on your posts 100 percent. Go Sooners!
Suzy Q said:
posted on January 3, 2007 11:18 AM — 24.116.32.134 — link — abuse?
Everyone out there bashing Boise State's undefeated "easy" schedule should reconsider. They beat Hawaii, best offense in the nation. They beat Oregon State. They consistently "got lucky"? I don't think so. Almost every team has a bad day and makes a series of errors that results in an "upset"- look at USC. Boise State didn't have ONE of those games this year. They were good consistently EVERY game. I don't care who you're playing, if you walk in with an attitude that you're better than everyone else or you don't "show up" for the game, you're going to lose to even the worst of teams. Boise State never lost. Constistency says a lot.
gatorhippy said:
posted on January 3, 2007 11:44 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Maybe...
Boise St vs Idaho
Even though Idaho is not really up to par...
In order to maintain the ideal rivalry matchups the PAC needs to look at this type of inner state rivalry for any expansion that would be discussed...
These rivalries are what is unique about the PAC...
All conferences will eventually move to the Champ game format...
The inner state rivalries in the PAC will only further enhance the competitiveness in that conference if the would implement one...
FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 3, 2007 11:53 AM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
Tommie:
I like the scenario of the Pac-10 being divided into 2 separate divisions( similar to that of the Big12 and SEC). Personally I think that the creation of these "super-conferences" is the way to go. However, I believe that the scheduling of confernce games between teams from different divisions should be limited. For example, Texas should not play more than one regular season game against Big12 schools from the North Division, other than the championship game if applicable. This season, they played Nebraska, K State and Iowa State from the North Div. as well as all of the teams from their own division. If you eliminate 2 of the games against the North, that would free up 2 games that could be scheduled against other top calibre teams from other conferences. This in turn would probably give a more accurate depiction on Strength of Schedule, as well as several head to head comparisons. This would still allow for a true conference champion to be determined in a Confernce Championship Game. The current scheduling issues with the Big 12 leave too much room for analytical debate. For instance, Texas did not make the Big 12 conference championship game, but did defeat both teams that played in the game during the regular season. The non-divisional game against K-State counted against UT's conference record and ended up being a deciding factor in UT not playing for a conference title. I'm not a Longhorn fan, but I would rather see a school play two more out of conference big games and still have their conference title settled the way it is with a conference championship game.Col Reb said:
posted on January 3, 2007 12:12 PM — 170.190.40.78 — link — abuse?
I think that what people need to remember is that conferences are formed for a few reasons. Just because Boise St. has won some games the last few years does not mean they should be thrown into the Pac 10. The conferences are very concerned about ACADEMICS, something a lot of folks on these boards tend to forget about. If the Pac were to expand, my money would be on BYU and San Diego St. Both are good schools. BYU has a fan base like that of Notre Dame (though smaller), religousley bound. BYU also has a better tradition than Boise State. San Diego State is a very good school in a large television market.
College football is not the NFL, and it is a student activiety sport. A lot of people like to forget this.Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 3, 2007 12:22 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
FanOfTheGame:
I agree somewhat. But, under your scenario - they just schedule two more patsies. Remember, all these coaches care about is saving their pitiful jobs. A 6-6 record gets you fired these days. Not the coaches fault - the AD's need to get their heads examined.
I still like 4-5 OOC games. I would still play 7-8 conference games - even though only five would be in your own division. This makes them have to have at least that many BCS teams on their collective schedules. Otherwise, many of these neutered coaches, would schedule seven Division 1AA teams to fill in their schedules. Don't think that it wouldn't happen either. They'll do anything to get to a Bowl game. Like that really even matters anymore. I think that's why everybody is so wrapped up in the National Championship debate - there are just way too many Bowl games already and it isn't all that interesting. Remember when there were only 6 or 7 bowl games. That's when the game really meant something. In those days - you had to win your conference for the most part. And, nobody was getting fired because he didn't get into a bowl game. Now, you almost have to fire a guy who can't get into a bowl game. I wish it were tougher to get there. It would help on coaching changes and give continuity to many programs that really need it.Tommie T
FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 3, 2007 12:41 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
Tommie:
I understand where you're coming from and realize that scheduling patsies would definately happen in some cases. But with Universities and coaches alike understanding the importance of SOS and how much it plays into distinguishing teams with similar records, I think the Universities, AD's and coaches would push to strengthen their schedules even more(and generate more revenue) rather than take the risk losing money and a BCS bid by scheduling the walk over colleges. Money seems to be the one factor that dictates the path that college football has taken over the past several years. That alone should be a good enough detourant for schools to schedule tougher opponents. The current system allows for almost all schools to schedule at least one patsy and still have a shot at the BCS title game. Any school that would intentionally sign on to play 3 or more Patsies would be writing their own BCS death certificate. Thus, my scenario would force schools to play better teams and rather than Patsies for fear of being left out of the BCS. As well, I am in total agreement that there are way too many bowl games being played. It is only a matter of time before making a bowl appearance isn't going to be enough for a coach to keep his job. We are allready seeing evidence of that this year.Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 3, 2007 1:01 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
FanOfTheGame:
I'm not too concerned about the perennial powers that are competing for National Championships and Top BCS Bowl games. I think that it would be the lesser BCS teams that would violate your scenario. USC has to open with Idaho next year. We can't get anyone better than that. That game as out there and not one Baylor, Indiana, Illinois or any other BCS team wanted it. We had to go with a lower level WAC team. Now normally, Fresno State will step up, and take on any game. But, they must have been already booked. That's big money that some better teams passed on that Idaho ends up getting. I know we have to resort to playing WAC and MWC teams all the time. We are lucky to get any BCS teams, and if we do, they are always upper tier teams. The lower tier BCS teams no longer want to schedule any of the top tier OOC BCS teams. They will all resort to scheduling weaker teams than themselves in order to gain victories, and thus, try and gain the "all coveted" Bowl game. That is my concern. There are already way too many undeserving teams playing in Bowl games.
Tommie T
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 3, 2007 2:04 PM — 74.226.200.147 — link — abuse?
congrats BOISE STATE everybody doubted you even myself but you did it and delivered one of the best games and some of the best plays i have ever seen!!! hope you continue this success and get a playoff established in D1-A
The Mayor said:
posted on January 3, 2007 3:02 PM — 24.7.54.200 — link — abuse?
Gator Hippy #114
Oregon UW is a bigger rivalary than UO/OSU.
I for one like the Pac-10 what it is now that it's a 12 game season. There no conference holes, every team plays each member of the conference.
It sucked not playing UW, USC, UCLA each and every year...
Duck said:
posted on January 3, 2007 3:51 PM — 64.122.40.19 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy (#114):
I guarantee you that Utah would jump at the chance to join the Pac-10. I don't think they would be concerned about struggling there.
But I don't think Utah State would ever have a shot at getting into the Pac-10 (Utah probably doesn't have a realistic shot). If the Pac-10 were to add Utah, I would think that it would invite BYU to be the twelfth member.
IRISH-THORN said:
posted on January 3, 2007 4:37 PM — 69.133.4.221 — link — abuse?
BOISE STATE NC, WHY NOT THEY RAN THE TABLE. IF FLORIDA BEATS OSU THEN 13 AND O DOES IT FOR ME.
THE RUB FOR ME IS THE SCHEDULE OF THE TOP 25 TEAMS SHOULD BE MADE TO SCHEDULE 3 OR 4 TOP 25 TEAMS AND PLAY THEIR LEAGUE TEAMS TO QUALIFY FOR CONSIDERATION FOR TOP RANKINGS. NO MORE CREAM PUFF SCHEDULE TO WARM UP FOR THEIR LEAGUE PLAY. THEN IF YOU CAN RUN THE GAUNTLET YOU DESERVE IT. A TEAM IN THE TOP 35 CAN MOVE INTO THE TOP 25 IF THEY CAN BE CONSISTANT AND MOVE UP. ONCE THERE THEY ONLY STAY IF THEY CAN SCHEDULE AND WIN FIVE TO SIX GAMES AGAINST TOP 25 TEAMS. THIS WOULD FORCE A STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE THAT WOULD SHOW WHO IS REAL AND WHO IS A PRETENDER. IT ALSO WOULD SHAKE UP THE TOP 25 ON A REGULAR BASIS. THIS WOULD REPLACE ANY PLAYOFF GAMES AND MAKE THE SEASON A PLAYOFF.gatorhippy said:
posted on January 3, 2007 5:27 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Right on, Mayor...
My concern is keeping those dual state ties intact if there were to be a PAC expansion...
It is unique to the PAC and would be a shame if they moved away for soley for the sake of expansion...
That's why I think the Boise St./ Idaho might be a better fit...
Especially, considering the North-South divisions Tommie (#115) tossed out in his hypothetical conf. champ game idea...
Then it could be split and keep those in-state rivalries in division making the competition even more intense...
And keep the Org/Wash rivalry intact to...
Think how much more intense it would get if you guys were knocking off the Huskies every year for a shot at playing in the champ game...
smurfturflover said:
posted on January 3, 2007 8:09 PM — 24.117.71.63 — link — abuse?
Boise won this game by putting their heads down and charging though. Both teams played a great game of football, but to chalk up BSU's win to only using trick plays is ridiculous. Did everyone not see the first four quarters (barring the last 30 seconds of the game) Boise state played head on with a team that had a chance to be in the NC this year (I understand why OU fans hate the officials), and they dominated. It wasn't untill a momentum shift after recovering their own punt that OU got back in the game. Both teams wanted to win and both teams played as hard as they could, it was a battle to the end. All in all BSU showed that they deserved to win that game, c'mon they've won 85 games in eight years leading up the Fiesta bowl. but I still say to all the players, OU and BSU, wow what a battle.
And as for trick plays, no such thing, a play is a play. Properly executed any play will get a score, if you look at the opposing team and decide, I think a statue of liberty will work here, do it. Even Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops said the Sooners were looking for a trick play. But he said the Broncos ran it to perfection. Thats football.
The Huff said:
posted on January 3, 2007 8:17 PM — 72.198.26.4 — link — abuse?
From a Sooner Fan,
1. Great game Boise State. I think you guys were better than a lot of people give you credit for (especially the Okie State and Texas fans that are hassling us Sooners for losing). I guarantee BSU would whip the Cowboys and the Longhorns if played.
2. For the bandwagon fans that are calling for Stoops head...choke on a kielbasa. He is by far one of the greatest coaches in college and has turned around this program for us. We finish 10-3 in a season that no one thought we would even go to the Big XII let alone the Fiesta bowl and you want to hang him out to dry? Go kill yourself.
3. One of the best games I have ever seen. Being at the game was amazing. For Boise State to come into this game as underdogs and win...major kudos. For Oklahoma to not give up and come back from an 18 point defecit...awesome. To BSU's Petersen on the gutsy trick play calls...reminds me of Stoop's in his early days.
Great game by both teams. Though I wished we would have won it I have to congratulate BSU for their amazing victory.
Sooners, we have next season...
BOOMER!
buzzman5420 said:
posted on January 3, 2007 9:27 PM — 75.40.134.124 — link — abuse?
To AgGB regarding your post#23. We Sooner fans will never be ready to trade Stoops for anyone else. But as for me, I would be very glad to trade Venables to just about anybody that can coach against a good team. We havent had a defense that looks like it is not totally confused since Mike Stoops left. Mike please come back. Congrats to BSU for their win.
"THE" BUCKEYE MARK said:
posted on January 4, 2007 8:56 AM — 70.62.161.114 — link — abuse?
post #17 if OSU loses there should be a split title I agree
what if Boise State goes undefeated next year and no one else does ? Do they get a shot ? I don't think they will but they should
Hmmm what is Boise St's schedule next year off to find out
AgGB said:
posted on January 4, 2007 10:26 AM — 66.76.55.152 — link — abuse?
RE: post #134
between who? Florida and Boise? no way. Boise didnt play anybody. You have to play big time opponents to get a title. That's how it is and how it should be. The only big time opponent they beat was Oklahoma, and Oklahoma is marginally big time. Thompson is not that great, AD was coming back for his first game after having been out for 2 months. Dont let the fact that they didnt lose any games throw you off. They didnt play any ranked opponents until they got to an overrated Oklahoma team.
Joker6 said:
posted on January 4, 2007 2:29 PM — 152.135.148.124 — link — abuse?
I'm a Sooner fan. That was a great game despite our loss. I give the Bronco nation a huge high-five. Great job! The Sooners are big at heart and can say they lost to a great team. This game gave the nation it's monies worth. This only says that the BCS Championship game had better step it up. The Sugar Bowl was good...but it wasn't a barn-burner like the Fiesta Bowl. I wish this game could air again. Not to see my Sooner lose but just see have that exciting feeling of " Damn...that was a hell of a play call".
Joker6 out!
tyrone briggs said:
posted on January 4, 2007 4:07 PM — 69.130.214.2 — link — abuse?
Jay Mariotti was very moved by Boise State's bowl performance.
Rumors are swirling in Chicago that Mariotti may in fact be relocating to Boise?
The Mayor said:
posted on January 4, 2007 4:14 PM — 24.7.54.200 — link — abuse?
The Huff,
"We finish 10-3 in a season that no one thought we would even go to the Big XII let alone the Fiesta bowl."
Uh, Athlon College Football Sports Annual picked The Sooners to "win it all." There are some who would say that the Sooners underacheived at 11-2.
Dennis said:
posted on January 4, 2007 4:22 PM — 71.34.202.223 — link — abuse?
Hey Tommey T You might want to add RUGTERS to that list that would beat Boise State I MY SELF A big LSU fan &FRESNO St (POOR COUCHING COST FRESNO A victory last year vrs USC. if they had any one who could tackel an put him on the corners to stop Bush. Fresno would have had their lunch an pop their bag. If your going to be big in this business you have to do year in an year out. like LSU did to N D.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on January 4, 2007 4:34 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Stoops should get the least amount of "heat" of all the Coaches that Lost their Bowl game...
Kirt Ferentz, the bloom is off the rose at Iowa; over-acheiving is great, and 'expectations' are a bitch.
Charlie Wies, seems like this guy thought those rings would Win games FOR HIM automatically in College Football (Charlie's 2nd Yr... Stoops/Oklahoma had a National Title by then). And how-the-fugk did he call that Fake-Punt ?!? Horrible.
Karl Dorrell, so you beat the beast, but then you turn around and return to under-acheiving (as inconsistant as ever). Having 'promise' shouldnt be good enough.
Frank Beamer, maybe the exception... he did well with an inexperienced group throughout the season, but the house of cards finally fell in the 2nd Half of their Bowl game.
Lloyd Carr, didnt you see what UCLA did? Michigan had the players to beat USC, but not the Coach.
Bill Callahan, you spotted Auburn 14 points... you deserved to Lose. And now it seems to me that the "Return of Nebraska" has a glass ceiling.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on January 4, 2007 4:40 PM — 216.46.209.86 — link — abuse?
Post #46 - I think Loyd Carr,can win 75-80% of his games,only because he has more talent than 75-80% of the teams he plays,but when it comes to playing a team like Ohio State,or USC,Loyd Carr's strategy does not work and will never work.
I know a lot of Michigan fan's have faith in BO's Elephant line,A cloud of dust,And three yards,but when you play USC the Elephants have trouble catching a flying cheetah!
I WANT TO SEE THE SPREAD OFFENSE COME TO MICHIGAN!
I WANT TO SEE THE HALFBACK PASS IN THE BIG HOUSE AT LEAST TWICE A GAME!
I WANT TO SEE SOMEONE LIKE THE BOISE STATE HEAD COACH WHO ACTUALLY USES ALLLLLLLLLL!!!!!! OF HIS TALENT!You don't pay a coach to take the talent Michigan has and NOT USE IT!
GET THE BOISE COACH! PAY HIM WHATEVER HE WANTS!
So Cal USMC said:
posted on January 4, 2007 4:56 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Enough with the "So-n-so didnt play anybody" tired-ass Crap. Be specific, and understand that everything is relative.
I may not necessarily disagree, but that ~little saying~ doesnt have much meaning behind it. Had Boise State scheduled & beaten Oklahoma in the Regular Season, they would have had as much "claim" at a chance a the BCS Title Game as an undefeated Louisville or West Virgina-type of team.
Boise State Beat:
11-3 Oklahoma
10-4 Oregon St
11-3 Hawaii
9-4 San Jose St
8-5 Utah
8-5 Reno
6-6 Wyoming
... Fresno St, New Mexico St, La Tech, Utah St, Cal St SacramentoThats not the schedule that USC or Florida faced but it is somewhat comparable to other schedules that 'major-conf' teams faced (Wisconsin comes to mind).
The Huff said:
posted on January 4, 2007 5:41 PM — 72.198.26.4 — link — abuse?
The Mayor,
"Uh, Athlon College Football Sports Annual picked The Sooners to "win it all." There are some who would say that the Sooners underacheived at 11-2."
And all that hype was before we lost our starting QB and all-star OLineman. We convert over our WR, have a controversial loss at Oregon, and loss our star RB. I think what the Sooners accomplished is more than amazing. This team is still young so the next two or three years are gonna be great. And there are a lot of teams that people say are gonna win it all and don't.
go bucks said:
posted on January 4, 2007 5:58 PM — 216.129.191.39 — link — abuse?
Way to go boise state! there should be a playoff system. louiseville wasn't considered a big time football program till a few years ago. if osu loses to florida. (which i doubt.) let boise & florida play for the title. isn't that what meyers would say if florida wasn't in the NC game? one, last thing for all you nay sayiers on boise st. got lucky. GEORGE MASON!!!!!
The Mayor said:
posted on January 4, 2007 9:39 PM — 24.7.54.200 — link — abuse?
The Huff,
I agree that the Athlon people probably swallowed their tongues after Bomar and Company were forced from school.
Oklahoma had a good year and were a whisper away from going 12-1...
I just would like to see your Coach be less of a whiner (my coach too for that matter).
Gary said:
posted on January 4, 2007 9:47 PM — 71.38.90.57 — link — abuse?
Let me tell you how I feel.
Five years ago, I rarely watched college football. I was in the military and had retired, and settled in a town near Boise. One of my jobs I had after the military was at Boise State University. Wasn't a great or glamorous job, and frankly, the pay sucked....but still I enjoyed the college and I enjoyed working there.
That was in 2002. I was invited to a Broncos football game by a co-worker that year, and I was hooked. Watching BSU play (I don't even remember who they played that day) was great. They are just fun to watch...every time I watch them play it is exciting.
Anyway, since then, I have been following them and doing everything I can to make sure I get to see their games, usually on TV. It now stresses me out if I can't watch the game because it isn't televised, or it is restricted, or whatever.
At any rate, what I am trying to say is the BSU Broncos drew me into watching and following college football. And for five years now, I have been following them and watching them play every week. They have me hooked.
I believe this is one of the greatest games ever played (as obviously many many others also do) even though I have only really been a regular college football fan for five years.
The Fiesta Bowl has taken me to a new level of fandom. In the past 3 days since the game, I just can't get enough of reading the blogs and news articles and all the great things people are saying.
I just have to say, I am glad I am a Bronco's fan. Thanks for the great game. I can't get it out of my mind.
Michael Holbrook said:
posted on January 4, 2007 10:30 PM — 74.71.121.91 — link — abuse?
I have watched a heluva lot of College Football games in my 46 years, and this game DEFINITELY RANKS AMONG THE TOP 5 !!! I was so excited, I couldn't sleep for two hours !!! I am an ORANGE & BLUE fan of the SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY kind, however, I am usually for the UNDERDOG !!! I don't think that BOISE STATE deserves that title!!! I believe they should be ranked among the ELITE !!! Congratulations BRONCOS...I'm a FAN!!!
Michael Holbrook said:
posted on January 4, 2007 10:34 PM — 74.71.121.91 — link — abuse?
GOOOOOOO ORANGE !!! SYRACUSE, that is !
Luke Bizzy said:
posted on January 5, 2007 2:54 AM — 70.128.101.123 — link — abuse?
believe Bob Stoops' best days at OU have yet to come, and I wish that these so called fans that can't seem to endure a close loss would get a life. Think about this, OU now has another great game to add to its lore, a game that this nation will talk about for years to come, just like the "game of the century" and if I remember correctly, we came out on the losing end of that one as well. Lastly, if I ever had a son, I would want him to be like Paul Thompson, what a fantastic young man! He truly understood and lived the motto of team first. His lack of selfishness shall always stand as a testament to all that is good about OU athletics.
Michael said:
posted on January 5, 2007 7:19 AM — 71.36.182.210 — link — abuse?
Bob Stoops Selling out stadiums, and 5/6 BCS Appearances since taking over as coach 7 years ago. Please name another coach with a better or same record? Sooners have the best, and Broncos are #2 for winning percentage! Great matchup on Monday night!
Stoops is in it for the FOOTBALL, Saban is in it only for the $$$ (Another Pete Carroll who could not make it as a pro!)Beaware of Bro Mike @ UofA. Mike & Bob for a BCS Championship in the near future!
We are tired of the Buckeyes in Phoenix (they are like hemmorroids---once they come down, the do not go back up!) They do not tip or spend their money. Go Gators!!!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 5, 2007 9:03 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Michael:
You sound like a perfect communist. Maybe you ought to move from Arizona and pack it up for Berkely. Let me explain this to you, busboy, the Ohio State fans don't owe you anything. They came to town to watch the game. Just because somebody stuck a stadium in the middle of your city - does not mean that every person from Ohio has to empty their collective bank accounts into your pathetic town's coffers. That was the whole greedy idea of your town's administrators to begin with. Why should regular citizen's have to play into it? If I were you, I'd either move to a commune (where everybody takes care of everybody else), or I might go get a real job where I wouldn't have to worry if some azzhole was gonna tip me or not. Would it be better if there was nobody there at all? I remember the day when it was just some Navajo woman sellin' turquoise on the side of the road. Now, you people expect that the whole country owes you a living, simply because someone decided that there would be a Bowl Game in your town. Make sure you vote for Hillary - she'll fix it for ya'.
Tommie T
FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 5, 2007 10:07 AM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
Michael:
Bob Stoops is a great coach and his record speaks for itself. However, Stoops has the same desire to "get paid" as do the other top tier coaches. You need to check his contract with OU. Evertime a coach, like Saban, inks out a massive deal (like the estimated $40 million) that only means that Stoops may be looking at a raise himself. It's in Stoops' contract!
Secondly, if Saban does turn out to be another Pete Carroll then the Crimson Tide can look forward to playing for National Championships real soon........................................................P.S. I would have sent you $50 with this msg to help with your struggles in Phoenix, but I already pressed the "POST" button.Pam Thornton said:
posted on January 5, 2007 12:44 PM — 70.182.0.190 — link — abuse?
Hey Boss Boise State--
Hook 'Em and Hallelujah from the Longhorns! You kicked Bob Stoops' arrogant ass with class and confidence that earned cheers and praise from Texans across the state according to our press. From now on, we've got your back Boise State Broncos! Your amazing, never-say-die attitude is a winning feature shared by our loud and proud Longhorns. Your bravado may have even surpassed ours in last years National Championship (a close race anyway).Your should be playing in this year's national championship game!!!Aside from all of this your coach, players, and fans reflected a rarely seen sense of class and camarderie and we Longhorns cheered and screamed with every obstacle your overcame. Good Luck Brave Broncos. Hook 'Em! The West Texas LonghornsWingTee said:
posted on January 5, 2007 2:07 PM — 69.58.169.192 — link — abuse?
Some people are just plain full of themselves.
You cannot compare BSU football program to OU, USC, Ohio State, Fl, etc. BSU is not even half the size. That's what makes this game so great and yes even if they won it by a single point.
Before the game, not a single football analyst select BSU to win. Not a single one! That makes this game a victory for the underdog. even if they did win it by a single point.
There must have been 20 different plays where the outcome of the game would have been different had the play turned differently. But it didn't happen that way. BSU simply out-foxed the oklies' defense at the end of the game.
Trick plays???? BSU was out-maned at nearly every position. Sure they played their hearts out but okla's size and strength were becoming more apparent at the end of the game. BSU coaches knew this and called plays that allowed BSU players to succeed on offense. The last play of the game, oklahoma would have loved it if BSU had decided to play smash-mouth football, instead they ran 'statue left' and completely froze the okies' defense. Nobody even touch Johnson as he ran to the end zone. Did BSU Oklahoma that night? For sure! Does this mean that BSU could beat them ten times in a row? Does it mean that BSU is a national contender? Does it mean that any mid-major can beat a powerhouse on a steady basis? These are theoretical question and they can only be answered 'on the field'. You know-it-alls shouldn't waste your time debating them here.
One thing nobody can deny....BSU did something that was so improbable that we must now recoginize their moment in time.
Greatest game ever...yes and why not. Unless you are a sore sport, you have to admit, BSU gave this nation a game that will be long remembered.
AgGB said:
posted on January 5, 2007 2:44 PM — 66.76.55.152 — link — abuse?
All of you have missed the greatest part of the game in your comments. The tv commentators were funlarious in a misunderstanding the Engrish language kind of way. One of them said, after a long explanation of whether he thought Boise deserved to play ou, "To sum it um in one word, you bet". Small time idiocy is not always lost on the idiots. To sum up my message to the commentators in one word, "You're stupid."
WingTee said:
posted on January 5, 2007 3:35 PM — 69.58.169.192 — link — abuse?
Fates are decided on the field and not based on statistics. Thats why they play the game in the first place.
BSU beat a superior team. They believed in themselves and they demostrated to the world that the little guy can sometimes confound the experts and win the big game.
Here's my advice...save your spit for the game. The rest is just blather.
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 5, 2007 4:31 PM — 74.226.198.201 — link — abuse?
i think boise state is a great team i am extreamly pleased that they won this game, but if i could see one thing, well two that i know wont happen, but jsut a suggestion:
boise state, start playing big time teams during the year, not putting you guys down i respect you guys alot, but i just want to see like bosie state vs. oklahoma next year int he regular season, or something like that, i think you would get gameday up there, and i think it would draw alot of people to watch the broncos.
my second suggetion:
this will never happen but hey i can dream, if fresno state gets back on track, and bosie keeps it up, bring to the pac 10, im and east coast guy, southern boy to be exact, but i think it would be interesting and have the pac 10 in a 12 team format, have a championship game, then bring montana from 1-aa tot he WAC, it could work, but it will never happen, but i think it would be interesting to see.dmac said:
posted on January 5, 2007 7:25 PM — 216.255.215.53 — link — abuse?
When all is said and done, Boise State beat Oklahoma, trick plays or no (after all, what play in football is not designed to trick the defense?). Maybe BSU does not can't compete with the Oklahomas and USCs of the world on a week to week basis; maybe if they had BCS level budget, facilities and recruiting they could. The BCS have 90% of the bowl money locked up, and that's the way they like it, they aren't interested in any other conferences getting to their level. By the way, Tommy T, just what "top tier" BCS teams has Fresno State beaten?
go bucks said:
posted on January 5, 2007 9:51 PM — 216.129.188.155 — link — abuse?
i'm a die hard buckeye. could bsu beat them. who knows? maybe or maybe they would get killed. but these kids put their heart into that bowl game. that is what makes football great. one thing to think on. the NFL is NOT made up of all elite college teams. it has the small college school players in there too. some of the great NFl players were from small schools. jerry rice & bret favre to name 2 of many. if players walk into a game feeling the other team isn't good enough to be on the same field as them. then maybe, they'll get beat. rather it's 1 point or 41 points. ou walked onto that field thinking they would kill bsu before the 1st half was over and let the 2nd & 3rd strings finish bsu off. but they were shocked. it didn't happen. if florida beats osu, bsu should get a share of the title. if osu wins, then atleast reconize bsu 13-0 season and vote them 2nd in the polls!! if the D2 & 3 schools can have a playoff system. why not D1? could bsu run the playoff table & win a NC? maybe. it's 1 game a week. not 1 game every other day like the MLB.
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 6, 2007 12:32 AM — 74.226.200.45 — link — abuse?
gobucks post 160:
want to know the reason d-1 has no playoff.......
$$$$$$$$$$$$$, thats all cant make that much with a playoff can you? presidents and AD's do not care for what the fans want, unless they really are true, they want money for the program and thats it, its sad, but thats football these days, i still love it.The Mayor said:
posted on January 6, 2007 12:33 AM — 24.7.54.200 — link — abuse?
WingTee
I picked the Bronco's over OU. (See 2006 Bowl Game threads # 270 and #423) I saw both the Oregon State v BSU and OSU v Oregon games; I also was at the OU/UO game. No doubt in my mind that BSU would cover and win.
Ben Prather, Zac, Geauxtigers0107 and Mooka all picked Boise State over Oklahoma. Granted we aren't national sports prognosticators...but looks like we saw something in those Broncos that you didn't.
My favorite...OU Fan who predicted an OU "slaughter" of Boise State.
kirk henrichs said:
posted on January 6, 2007 1:34 AM — 71.33.14.139 — link — abuse?
for all the whining oklahoma fans, IN CASE you didn't notice, bsu controled the game for 3 and a half quarters and ou was supposed to walk all over them. IN CASE you didn't notice the bsu defense kept shutting down your TWO glorified ALL AMERICAN RUNNING BACKS and held them to 160 yards combined for the whole damn game, INCLUDING OVERTIME. that win wasn't an accident, that was a wholly OVER CONFIDENT oklahoma team getting a chance to play a team that is just as good but not intimidated by the GREAT OU MACHINE. Don't get get me wrong ou is a great team and has been for years but the central western teams have been underestimated for years. IN CASE NOBODY noticed the western athletic conference went 3 wins and 1 loss for teams in bowl games and nevada held a miami hurricanes team that was littereally laughing at them at the start of the game to 21 points and lost by 1 point in the last 34 seconds.
The BCS needs to own up to its own ineptitude and quit giving so much attention and MONEY to just the BIG WELL established schools and dspread the wealth a bit. Either that or admit it has to many letters in its title and just use the BS portion, that correctly identifies how it rates the teams in the first place.kswild said:
posted on January 6, 2007 3:10 AM — 67.190.191.147 — link — abuse?
I must have watched a different game than 90% of you. In the game I watched Boise St. was in complete control(without "trick plays" I might add for all you ESPN highlight watchers)until half way through the 4th quarter. Until that punt which took an extremely lucky bounce into a Boise St. player, that game was about to go into blowout status. The game I watched led me to believe that if those two teas played 10 times OU would be lucky to win half of them. I'm not sure if Boise St. has what it takes to win the National Championship.......but I will tell you all one thing.......they deserve the chance as much as any team. Remember, if it weren't for that blown call at Oregon, OU would have been in every bit as much of the National Championship talk as Florida and Michigan.......and deservingly so.
Tommie T, that's cool with me that all you care about is USC, and could care less who the true National Champion is.......but for those of us who not only love our team, but the game of COLLEGE FOOTBALL itself.......don't you think that a game as great as College Football deserves an ending to the season that ultimately doesn't screw multiple teams. Like it or not a Playoff is the only system that can handle all the scenarios that could potentially happen in any given season. Those who argue that a PLAYOFF would ruin College Football boggle my mind.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but will someone.......anyone.......name me a sport that a PLAYOFF has ruined.
Please, I'm begging any of you.
Someone explain to me why the Steelers didn't deserve the Super Bowl because they didn't win the AFC and were barely good enough to make it into the playoffs.
Explain to me why undefeated Auburn, or Utah of 04 didn't deserve the chance to play for the NC.
Bowls are fun to watch and are completely useless for finding a number 1 team.......except for in peoples heads I guess. Shame on anyone who wants a system that proves who the best of the best is. Who would want to see that?
Just about every fan who has a heartbeat.
There is WAY too much parody in college football to assume that there will be two clear cut teams at the end of any given season that have the sole right to play for a NC.
Sorry BCS, you were created to pit 1 vs. 2, and that is fundamentally flawed, too many variables.
A Playoff would take away from the regular season????? For who????? For you.......or for me? Speak for yourself. It certainly wouldn't take anything away from the regular season for me. Those kind of statements are code words for "I'm desperate, and am searching for excuses to keep things the way they are because that's where it's comfortable for me". Well excuse me if I want what is best for the sport and not what is comfortable for traditionalists, athletic directors and presidents(probably paid under the table), and all of the money hawkers who are currently in control and could care less about what is best for College Football.
It's not just about finding out who the number 1 team is, it's about giving those who deserve the chance to play for it.......their chance. It may not be important to you but it is for them. True champions prove themselves on the field, not in peoples brains.
I think some people just view any change as a bad one, even if deep down they know it's what is best.
Peace
OU Fan said:
posted on January 6, 2007 8:33 AM — 139.139.161.12 — link — abuse?
The Mayor, its funny you mentioned my prediciton because dude I'm still eating my words. The idea had never crossed into my mind that this game would have the outcome that it did. And I thought OU had the game in the bag until that freaking 4th and 18 magical play. Mayor, my question to you is I remember the OU Oregon game earlier this season, and what happened to the Ducks' offense this season? Either there offense was that good at the beginning of this season or my Sooners D was really that bad in that game. Go Sooners!
posted on January 6, 2007 4:01 PM — 72.24.240.149 — link — abuse?Dave said:
One thing is for certain, not only has this game thrust BSU into the spot light, but Ian Johnson their virtuoso running back has become an instant celebrity and media darling. It will be interesting to see how he handles the pressure and scrutiny. Johnson already has something of a cult following in Boise, but he's never seen anything like this before. There's an internet t-shirt company that's made a shirt about him. You can check it out here:
go bucks said:
posted on January 6, 2007 8:16 PM — 216.129.188.127 — link — abuse?
i know it's all about the $$$$$$. why not have a 8 team playoff. using the 4 big bowls. fiesta,orange, rose, & sugar. they can rotate the NC game every year. like they did before. but the 8 teams are the 7 top in the country & 1 outsider with a perfect record.(like boise st.)how hard would that be? the rest of the bowls they can do like they do now. it's not rocket science & it can happen within 2 weeks. it's bcs system is stupid. every year there it's a mess & someone is lefted out. if they want to keep the bcs system. then the need to change it to the nc game will be for the perfect record teams. no matter who it is. it would had bee osu & bsu then. if there is more then 2 teams then go by strength of schuedule or have them pick a # between 1&100. closes to # gets in nc.
shank said:
posted on January 7, 2007 9:46 PM — 71.209.47.228 — link — abuse?
It is easy for OU fans to say that trick plays were the reason for there loss... What about the repeated denial of Boise States defense to allow Mr. Peterson to gain more than 55 yards in the first 60 minutes of the game? What about the undeniable heart of the Broncos fighting it out to the last second? After what some might say should have been the game, when OU picked off Zabransky. The fact of the matter is, BSU knew that they were destined to be undefeated and be the 2007 FIESTA BOWL CHAMPIONS so they took control of there destiny and won.
Tomcat said:
posted on January 7, 2007 10:32 PM — 69.153.88.240 — link — abuse?
Mr Mayor Me too, however I blew my prediction of the A&M vs Cal.Boise St. deserves all the praise for one of the most exciting games this year.
As a Longhorn fan we enjoy seeing Oklahoma get beat, we play them every year.It is always gratifying to see the Sooners literaly crying after a defeat.They cant take it on the chin, they tend to wine, complain and make excuses.
The Texas Longhorns lost a quarterback and a running back, we had alot of injuries as well.
You didnt hear our coach or university president wineing or complaining.We lost a few games as well with no flimsy excuses.
Congrats Boise Broncos you beat OU
We beat them too Hookem-HornsTomcat said:
posted on January 8, 2007 1:38 AM — 69.153.88.240 — link — abuse?
Hey T-Mac Doing great,been out in the woods the last couple of days.Now deer season is over and only one game left in CFB.Ohio State is a very good team. The Buckeyes are very talented on both sides of the ball.Looks like a great matchup and I'd like to see the Gators win.It is extremely difficult to go undefeated.
Fla 28 OSU 27 you never know
What do you think? TomcatHookemHorns said:
posted on January 8, 2007 4:28 AM — 131.60.10.106 — link — abuse?
I tired of you OU fans talking about what a good game it was. What kind of fans are you. When UT gets beat i'm pissed. You guys are soft. Go blog on a quilt making site. Boise???? they aren't a national power OU just isn't that good this year. This was kind of a down year for college football which allowed a team like Boise to get in a BCS Bowl. Texas played five or six ranked teams this year, I'm guessing Boise played one or two.
OU Fan said:
posted on January 8, 2007 5:50 AM — 139.139.161.12 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, to me your post is funny because I was reading an article on www.soonersports.com and the article was about RB Jacob Gutierrz. When the OU players were exiting the field, there were some Boise State talking smack and one fan in particular was talking a great deal of smack. Gutierrez walked up to the man and shook his hand and congradulated him on the Broncos win. The man shut his mouth and the fans started patting the backs and slapping the hands of the OU players. To me that doesn't sound like whining, crying, making excuses, etc, whatever you rambled about. And Texas lost McCoy after he started for over 3 quarters of the season. Did that really affect Texas at all? I really didn't think so. Well I guess it kind of did. You horns lost to ATM in Austin. Go Sooners!!
Jay said:
posted on January 8, 2007 5:07 PM — 192.223.247.171 — link — abuse?
Yes, it was a great game, but I've noticed one overriding comment about the turnovers. Funny that BS turnover on the punt was a "fluke" and lucky break for OU, but no mention about the FOUR turnovers OU gave to BS.
And for the fans who say BS dominated, I agree they seemed to want it more and out hustled OU most of the game, but dominated? Let's look at a few telling stats - 1st downs OU-26 BSU-16; total yards OU-407 BSU-377; 4th downs OU 0-0 BSU 2-2, time of possession OU 33:12 BSU 26.48. Certainly stats can give the wrong impression, but I would expect them to be a little more lopsided if BSU had dominated the game.
Face it, this was a no "win" game for OU. A team like BS with nothing to lose can throw out all kinds of tricks and gadgets, and if they don't work, then no harm. They'll be forgotten. Same with all the "geniuses" who get on here and say they picked BS to win. If they're right they're suddely the most brilliant prognosticators on the planet, but if they're wrong no one will remember it.
If BSU ever make it to the promised land of major college football where they are expected to win, I bet the gadget plays will stay in the bag.
Bonkers for BSU said:
posted on January 9, 2007 2:42 AM — 69.92.211.190 — link — abuse?
Tommy T: Your stats for BSU are somewhat disingenuous. For 2006, which is all that matters, you should surely include these wins:
Sac State 45-0.....
Oregon State 42-14 (USC lost to OSU this year).....
La Tech 55-14.....
Utah 36-3 (Utah beat Pitt in BCS bowl in 2005).....
Nevada 38-7 (Nev barely lost MPC Bowl to Miami 21-20).....These scores mean just as much as the ones you posted when it comes to beating Oklahoma. Which is to say, not much. There are some easy games and some tough games on everyone's schedules. The difference between BSU and all of the rest is that BSU won them all. And yes, BSU lost to Fresno last year.....for the only time this century!
Matt said:
posted on January 9, 2007 1:04 PM — 67.137.26.140 — link — abuse?
The Bronco victory was a team victory. They beat OU, plain and simple. And they did it on the measly bowl payouts that the mid majors have had to put up with for years while the majors horde their millions.
If the mid majors were given the respect they have earned and allowed to compete on an even field and share in the millions that are paid out in the BCS bowls, their programs would be even better.
Last night's game was a disgrace. People always complain about the mid majors having easier schedules, and yet the number 1 team in the nation gets their butt handed to them. You have to question just how difficult was their schedule is when they could remain undefeated, dominiate their opponents, and then get beat so severely.
It makes you question the whole polling system and the value of teh BCS championship. Who is the best team in college football--your guess is as good as mine.
I vote for the Broncos.
tl said:
posted on January 11, 2007 12:09 PM — 67.136.30.130 — link — abuse?
In short, I hate the BCS and what it stands for. I'm sick of it, and so are a lot of people. It is Un-American, and is against everything I believe. How can one team do everything in its power to be the best college football team in the country, yet because of the rampant elitism in college football never be given a chance to see just how good they are.
The purpose of this rant is simple. If you agree with me, go to this site and e-sign a petition:
http://www.downwithbcs.com/Be counted as one who wants to see change in the way the college football national champion is chosen by putting down your name, state, and the conference you cheer for.
Why did I create this site? Because I’m upset that there is nothing I can do, but I have to do something. This is my something.
Wally said:
posted on January 15, 2007 1:06 PM — 170.171.1.5 — link — abuse?
All of you can debate as much as you want. However, there is no denying 2 things:
1. The Boise St. / Oklahoma game was an awesome game that was fun to watch (personally, I'm glad Boise St. won & it'll be a game I remember as long as I live, unless of course Altzheimers sets in at some point!)
2. We'll never truly know who'd win a Boise St. / USC game or a Boise St. / Florida game because the current system doesn't allow for a tournament.
I think a tournament/playoff would be simple. They should take 8 teams, put them into brackets & play for 3 weeks. Teams having an undefeated regular season should get automatic invites, so Boise St. COULDN'T have been left out if they were ranked say #12 in the country. The teams should be seeded by a selection committee & they should play the games.
People say, "hey, what about the teams ranked at #9 or #10?" Personally, I think it's better to exclude them from a chance than exclude the #3 or #4 ranked teams.
It's such a pathetic system right now...you can't be happy if you're a fan of USC, Boise St., Louisville, etc. No matter what these teams did, they had NO shot, NO opportunity at winning the national championship. And since we live in the "land of opportunity", that's pretty sad.
It's time the national championship is truly decided by the players, not by a bunch of computers & guys giving their "best guess".
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gatorhippy said:
posted on January 2, 2007 9:37 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?Agreed...
This game was arguably the greatest FOOTBALL game of all time...
I'm a believer in the Orange & Blue...