November 5, 2007
Boston College should be embarrased
The Boston College Eagles should be embarrassed by what took place at Alumni Stadium on Saturday night. No, not for loss -- although losing to FSU is certainly not the badge of honor it once was -- but rather for what transpired in the stands and on the scoreboards during the game.
When FSU was on offense, the stadium production team flashed a dizzying light show directly in the line of sight of the play clock. This was not the first game in which that board has been "utilitzed" while the opposing team has the ball. Seminoles QB Drew Weatherford downplayed the impact of the flashing lights while he attempted to read the play clock, but Boston College should be above that kind of stunt.
In the stands, the Boston College fans lived up to their growing reputation of being poor hosts.
Throughout the game, after many controversial calls made by the referees, pieces of trash were thrown onto the field.When FSU scored their final touchdown, heaps of trash joined the scraps that had made their way onto the turf of Alumni. When FSU exited the field, they were downright pelted with a wide variety of litter, from soft, near-harmless pompoms and towels to the potentially dangerous full hot chocolates and water bottles.
When an FSU player was injured on the field and play had stopped, loud cheers erupted from within the student section. When the player rose and left the field, I heard approximately seven people giving him the customary round of applause. When leaving the stadium, I heard a group of BC students shouting obscenities at a passing FSU fan, who appeared to have done nothing to antagonize the group.
Unfortunately, the fans' behavior wasn't entirely unexpected, rather just more of the same at Boston College.
Last year, BC opened its home schedule with games against Clemson and Brigham Young. Fan behavior at Clemson was bad, causing many who made the long trip up from South Carolina to vow to never return to BC. At BYU, fan behavior was even worse. Those seated in the end zone could be heard chanting "F-g Mormons" at the visiting section, sitting only 10 feet away. Despite that, our opponents played well and their fans treated us with respect.
To it's credit, BC has attempted to crack down on this behavior at football games -- with sports marketing and other departments getting involved over the last two years -- so I guess opposing players & fans should be grateful.
In the meantime, you stay classy, BC.
Comments:
Lennie Collins
posted on November 5, 2007 12:30 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse?
said:
Hey, in a city/state that have the Red Sox #1, the Celtics #2, the Bruins #3, and the Patriots #4 they got people talking about Boston College Football. The Eagles did not play great against the Seminoles BUT I hope that over used phrase "overrated" will not be used to describle Boston College!
posted on November 5, 2007 12:36 PM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue
said:
And what exactly had BC done when they first joined the ACC that gave them license to act like @sses, Lennie?
Throwing something onto the field? Never OK.
Using the scoreboard lighting to influence the game? Never OK.This is just low-brow, bush league crap. BC gets away with it year-in and year-out.
FromVT said:
posted on November 5, 2007 12:37 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
#1 It's not about being better than anyone else. Fans that act like that are just crappy fans. WTF is up with the scoreboard deal? I have never heard of a stadium doing that. I guess they knew thew they were over-rated so they needed a little help to beat an unranked team at home.
posted on November 5, 2007 12:40 PM — link — abuse? said:
The scoreboard thing is *not* new. It sits right in the line of sight of the 25-second clock on both ends of the field. When BC has the ball, one static image. When the opponent has the ball, they try to induce an epileptic seizure or soemthing. I'll find a pic.
Lennie Collins
posted on November 5, 2007 12:44 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
I do not agree with some of the things that you listed the Eagles fans have done Kevin BUT they are not the first to do it. I don't think they are the WORST fans in College Football or do I think ALL the fans were doing this. Remember the team/college cannot control the behavior of the fans. It's tasteless and classless, yes!
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on November 5, 2007 12:47 PM — 67.97.209.36 — link — abuse?
The fan behavior is reprehensible (IMO). I'm probably more concerned with the scoreboard garbage as this seems to be getting more accepted in college athletics, including football and basketball.
I seem to recall fanblogs had a discussion thread last year on recorded music being played loudly while a visiting team was on offense. I called this for what it is (IMO): poor sportsmanship, and a number of other readers flamed me, claiming that it's all part of the game.
I'd suggest the golden rule be applied to football stadiums. Other than screaming your head off, clapping, and stomping your feet, don't do anything while the visiting team is on offense that you wouldn't do while your team is on offense, then apply the same rule for the defenses, and special teams.
(I'm guessing that BC's "flashing" scoreboard display was dim when BC was on offense.)
FromVT said:
posted on November 5, 2007 12:53 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
#7 read post #5, Kevin stated that when BC has the ball they display a static image.
Fans getting loud and crazy is a great part of the game, not throwing things on the field though. Any fans that do that are idiots. Every where you go you will find some, unfortunately.
VTBobb
posted on November 5, 2007 3:52 PM — 74.1.112.66 — link — abuse? said:
Hmmm, first the Pats and now BC; seems like the "gentry" of the Northeast don't believe in sportsmanship.
As far as the fans go, while no stadium is immune, the school/team CAN take steps to deter the more unsavory actions. (Yes, I've even witnessed embarrassing behavior at Lane Stadium. Unfortunately, it sometimes seems the amount of unsportsmanlike behavior of teams’ fans is directly proportional to their recent success and national attention.) Of course, considering some of the classless moves of the powers that be in Boston Sports circles, is it any surprise that the fans are showing their @sses too?
Lennie Collins
posted on November 5, 2007 4:00 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
Cowbell05(Comment #12) you doggone right I am not going to say it! If I am not mistaken it was a blog on here earlier in the year what OVERRATED means. I posted #2 Comment for GA BOY to read. If we go by that blog USC was a BIG favorite not only to play for but win this years's National Title. LSU, Texas, and West Virginia were favorites to play against USC.
Lennie Collins
posted on November 5, 2007 4:19 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
Cowbell05...that seems to be the trend on here! When a undefeated team goes down that OVERRATED word comes up. I wonder who has the boldness to say USC is overrated! Remember according to Mark May USC were gonna shatter the record books in becoming the BEST College Football Ever!
Cowbell05 said:
posted on November 5, 2007 5:03 PM — 74.227.36.62 — link — abuse?
I was pleading that B.C. was overrated wayyyyy before they lost to FSU saturday night...that just proves my point...just like Michigan will upset OSU...and even if they dont and they make it to th NC game...they will get thir ass kicked!!!
posted on November 5, 2007 5:07 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Gatormatt: You mean to tell me that if you have to choose between Granny Holtz and Mark May, you're siding with Granny? Come now...
I like Mark May's analysis. Sometimes, these guys resort to hyperbole, like the afore-mentioned remark. That's their job--to occasionally go out on that long limb. And sometimes the limb breaks. No biggee.
Corso is wrong so many times, but I still can't help but like the guy.
Regan said:
posted on November 5, 2007 7:02 PM — 75.182.61.221 — link — abuse?
I haven't liked BC since they joined the ACC. They have absolutely infuriated my Clemson side far too often with their style of offense (which I have a name for but won't go into here.)
It seems my disgust of BC is getting more reasons to be legit as time goes on though.
The ACC made a huge mistake by picking this crap team out of the Big East. Dadgummit, we should have gotten Louisville, Connecticut, or even Syracuse instead.
1st_and_NOLE
posted on November 5, 2007 8:24 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse? said:
Well...
All I can say is...
The best way to counter that type of garbage is to step on the football field and hit them in the mouth for 60 mins. That's exactly what FSU did and they got the last laugh and more importantly... a HUGE "W"
GA Boy said:
posted on November 5, 2007 9:39 PM — 97.89.21.220 — link — abuse?
Lennie
I can't agree with you more. I think the "overrated" term is thrown around too much. BC is a pretty good team. The just aren't that much better than any other pretty good team. You can have a winning streak but sooner or later, some other pretty good team is going to get you.
As far as the fans, what are you going to do. These BC fans were all hyped up, ranked number 2, and they just showed their asses when it all came crushing down on them. No excuse for that type of action.GO DAWGS!!
Cane Mutiny
posted on November 5, 2007 10:11 PM — 76.109.86.102 — link — abuse? said:
Wow, that scoreboard thing is low. I mean, throwing garbage onto the field is horrible, but the stadium staff trying to blind the opposing QB? That desrves some kind of fine or something. I mean, that's just downright wrong.
And chanting "F*cking Mormons" at BYU fans?? Are you serious?? Most schools (Miami included) have some obscene chants, but I've never heard of anything this offensive in college football - seriously.
Lennie Collins
posted on November 5, 2007 10:14 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
Hey GA Boy I just wanted to make sure I answered your question cause I don't avoid them. The definition of OVERRATED according to Dictionary.com means to OVERPRAISE or RATE TOO HIGHLY. A certain Conference comes to mind when I read that definition. I am not saying that SEC teams are all bad but the conference does get too much way too much praise. Louisiana State is good BUT so is Ohio State, Oregon, Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas, Arizona State, West Virginia, and Hawaii!
Tom Blogical
posted on November 5, 2007 10:23 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
Cane Mutiny (#24):
I couldn't agree more with your entire comment. And as for the chant--as a Catholic I'm completely appalled. They were definitely not taught to act that way.
GA Boy said:
posted on November 5, 2007 10:44 PM — 97.89.21.220 — link — abuse?
Lennie
You post @25 like I disagree with you. I don't. At the beginning of the season, I thought LSU was untouchable. Last four or five games, I am not that impressed. They are not much better (if at all)than ANY of the teams that you mentioned. I personally think that the DAWGS would beat LSU if we meet them in the GA Dome. From your perspective, I guess you would think SEC gets too much praise. I think Big 10 and 12 get too much praise. You don't think the Big 12 is getting respect? OK, KS, Mizzou in the top 7 in both AP and coaches. Looks to me like plenty of people think the Big 12 is good. SEC fans are just that fanatical about our teams and our conference and one thing about southerners is we love to talk. Put the 2 together and you get a person talking nonstop about the SEC and their team.
GO DAWGS!!Lennie Collins
posted on November 5, 2007 11:03 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
Hey GA Boy I am not trying to "attack" you I just wanted to show everyone else on here how Dictionary.com definres the word. I think TEAMS should get praise not the conferences. I was born in Mississippi by the way!
Cowbell05 said:
posted on November 5, 2007 11:29 PM — 74.227.36.62 — link — abuse?
Hey Lennie Collins, can you name a conference that can compare to the SEC top to bottom? i dont think there is one. Maybe they dont have the most teams in the top 5, but top to bottom the SEC is the best conference in the nation.
Tomcat said:
posted on November 6, 2007 12:42 AM — 69.150.79.102 — link — abuse?
Hey Lennie I understand
When looking at the SEC so far this season against teams from BCS conferences
The SEC is 4-5 this year so far,
They have a few against the ACC coming up and then the Bowls, only after the season is over can anybody really evaluate which conference is stronger or weaker etc. etc.
S Fla over AU----Big East
Cal over Tenn----Pac Ten
Missu over Ole Miss----XII
FSU over Bama-----ACC
WV over Miss St----Big East
KY over Louis-----SEC
AU over K State---SEC
UGa over Ok St----SEC
LSU over V Tech---SEC
We can look foward to
S Car vs Clemson
FSU vs Fla
UGa vs GTech
Then some bowls until then they can beat up on each other and pat each other on the backLennie Collins
posted on November 6, 2007 11:11 AM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
Hey Tomcat #31...those are excellent STATS BUT it still will not convince the SEC "BLIND MELLOW JELLIES" that the SEC is not the best/dominant conference they claim it to be. It's one thing when it's your opinion but it's another when you try to convince someone else! I will say it again "Let's judge a team individually not the conference." Example: Kansas, Oklahoma, and Missouri are good...not the whole Big 12 conference just these 3 teams!
Gatorpilot said:
posted on November 6, 2007 11:18 AM — 71.42.27.135 — link — abuse?
Agree totally with Kev here. There's no place in the sport for this kind of behavior.
It's even worse in the Big 10 -- particularly Ohio State and Penn State fans. They've lowered themselves all the way down. They're horrendous.
gatorhippy
posted on November 6, 2007 11:27 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse? said:
Lennie (#32) & TC (#31):
How about this...
SEC has 10 teams already bowl eligible with an 11th needing only one more win to become bowl eligible...
Any other conferences claiming that at this point in the season?
Anybody?
Lennie Collins
posted on November 6, 2007 2:46 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
Gatorhippy #34 those lower tier bowls don't mean jack in my opinion. Wow, you win 6 games and you go to a bowl. Cowbell05 #35 you really must not have anything going for you if you are trying to convince everyone that the SEC is the best! It has been shown to me by Tampa Hurriciane and Tomcat the the SEC is not the best or the dominant conference. The SEC is not the best or the dominant conference in my opinion. What are Gatorhippy and Cowbell05 trying to prove? I realize that people are going to have different opinions or views from me and I can live with that. You guys are here trying to get me to admit or see it WELL like Mary J. Blige and Aretha Franklin song in 1999: DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME! I will believe O.J. Simpson is innocent before I will believe or admit the SEC is the best/tough/dominant conference. For you guys to keep trying to sale it speaks of how you have no concern for anyone else opinion except your own! If you think Oklahoma, the Big 12, Republicans, or whatever is bad or OVERRATED that is your opinion. I have a hard time changing and correcting myself let alone trying to change someone's opinion or view! Just understand it and move on, Geez!
gatorhippy
posted on November 6, 2007 2:54 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
LEnnie (#36):
"those lower tier bowls don't mean jack in my opinion. Wow, you win 6 games and you go to a bowl."
So at the end of the season, you won't be using anything but BCS bowls to back your points on conference strength, I assume?
Bevo Boy said:
posted on November 6, 2007 3:04 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy #34, some of your facts are not correct. The SEC has 9 eligible teams and two that need one win to become bowl eligible (Vandy and Miss St.). Of those teams that are bowl eligible, however, only 3 have more than 6 wins. It would be impressive if the best team in the conference (LSU) wasn't just pulling out wins because they have more raw talent, but seem to be outcoached early in the game. It would take more than that for them to win a national title. As for the bowl eligibility, the Big 10, supposedly having a bad year, has 7 eligible teams and 3 that need 1 win to become eligible. Of those eligible teams, 6 have at least 7 wins. Only 3 SEC teams, as I mentioned above, can say that.
Lennie Collins
posted on November 6, 2007 3:13 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
Gatorhippy let me get some facts out in the open! Fact...The Big 12 has 3 teams in the Top 10 in the BCS rankings. Fact is only Kansas, Oklahoma, and Missouri are good, not the rest of the teams in the Big 12! If it were SEC teams in that position, I don't want to assume jack BUT I got a feeling some SEC fans would be bragging how great the whole DOGGONE SEC is! Fact is the SEC has scheduled more Division 1-AA than all the other conferences COMBINED! In my opinion the ONLY DOGGONE reason you schedule Division 1-AA schools is the feeling it's an easy win. Fact, when lower programs in other conferences upset the upper programs some SEC fans say that the upper teams or conference is OVERRATED! BUT when it happens in the SEC that means all the teams are good! For the most part you, Gatorhippy, make some well points BUT this one you are not making! I don't see qualifying for a lower tier bowl makes you BETTER or DOMINANT! WINS and National Titles do! You will have a better chance of convincing me Michael Jackson is normal than trying to convince me that the SEC is all that and a whole lot more. Man, some of you SEC fans are going to try and say the SEC can beat NFL teams next!
gatorhippy
posted on November 6, 2007 3:17 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
Bevo Boy (#39):
Good catch on the 9 versus 10...
My bad...
However...
Your B-10 stat is skewed considering the teams you mention have all played one more game than the 6 win teams you mention AND the B-10 has the luxury of extra OOC games to pad their records...
Therefore while they don't have as many wins they are equal on losses...
Again...
Show me another conference that has as many bowl eligible teams at this poiint and with the chance of placing eleven in bowls; regardless of the tier?
Can you?
Bevo Boy said:
posted on November 6, 2007 3:21 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Also, the Big 12 has 6 eligible teams and three needing 1 win. 5 of the 6 eligible teams have more than 6 wins. Again, 6 of 9 eligible SEC teams have 6 wins. What exactly makes a conference of mostly 5 to 7 wins tougher than a conference with 4 teams with at least 8 wins? You more competition, but not as strong as the tops of other conferences.
gatorhippy
posted on November 6, 2007 3:35 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
Lennie (#40):
"The Big 12 has 3 teams in the Top 10 in the BCS rankings."And after those three top ten teams?
Nada. Zilch. Zero.
SEC?
Over half the conference is ranked in the top twenty five...
"I don't see qualifying for a lower tier bowl makes you BETTER or DOMINANT! WINS and National Titles do!"
Okay...
SEC BCS record: 9-4 (.692) which leads all BCS conferences...
SEC BCSCG record: 3-0 (1.000) which leads all conferences and translates to three MNCs which also leads ALL conferences in the BCS era...
"Man, some of you SEC fans are going to try and say the SEC can beat NFL teams next!"
Is there really much doubt that LSU would give the Dolphins or Texans a run for their money?
Bevo Boy said:
posted on November 6, 2007 3:36 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy, I can't find any with as many. You have the most eligible in the SEC. However, if Minnesota was at .500 (5-5) then they would average more wins in the big 10 than in the SEC. If you cut out Minnesota and Ole Miss (removing the bottom team in each conference), then the conferences are basically at a tie for most wins per team (Big10- 6.7, SEC- 6.72). That is the closest, but I still think that number of bowl games is less important than the winning percentage in bowl games. Last year, the Big East was undefeated (5-0, I think) and the SEC was 6-3.
Bevo Boy said:
posted on November 6, 2007 3:41 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy, Texas is 8-2 and they are in the top 15. So are they nothing? They were one bad play away from tying the game against OU. They have as many wins as LSU. They have more wins than all but one team in the SEC. You're calling that nothing?
Lennie Collins
posted on November 6, 2007 3:46 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
Gatorhippy the BCS rankings. If you want AP then Texas is ranked. LSU would get destroyed by Miami. Any NCAA team would lose to any NFL. How about the SEC starts it's own league? Oklahoma and Texas won BCS Titles, wow you make it seems like the SEC is miles ahead of everyone else!
gatorhippy
posted on November 6, 2007 3:47 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
Bevo Boy (#47):
"I still think that number of bowl games is less important than the winning percentage in bowl games."
Is it though?
The SEC had more teams go to bowl games than there are in the BE...
No SEC team was blown out and matter of factly ALL three losing teams were in the game up to the end...
Throw in the extra non-BCS opponent the BE had the luxury of playing...
We see that their bowl schedule simply wasn't that difficult...
I'm pretty sure as well that SEC teams beat opposing teams with better records and higher places in their conferences...
I could be wrong on that though...
Bevo Boy said:
posted on November 6, 2007 3:54 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy #41, nice catch on the equal losses thing, I was just looking at wins. As for beating the Texans, no team in college football would. They're 4-5 and had a very close loss to the 7-1 Colts. Dolphins, maybe. Rams, maybe. Texans, no.
gatorhippy
posted on November 6, 2007 3:58 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
Bevo (#48):
Sorry..
Trying to handle some biz at the same time as blogging which caused me to miss the Horns...
Still...
Half the SEC is ranked versus a third of the B-12...
It's not just the humans, either...
The computers love the SEC too...
Bevo Boy said:
posted on November 6, 2007 4:00 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy #50, yes winning percentage is more important than appearances. When committees choose who will be in their bowl, they get the biggest teams that they can to help draw in more people. So of course an SEC team or a Big 12 team would be chosen over a team from the MAC or a team from the WAC if at all possible.
gatorhippy
posted on November 6, 2007 4:07 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
Bevo (#54):
However, the SEC won one more than the BE based on sheer numbers while losing three on the same principle...
Which means that the SEC as a whole had a better season and had a more powerful slate of teams based on qualification for bowls...
Especially considering that the SEC played in two BCS game while the BE only managed to place one team in...
AND won the only bowl game theat really matters...
The BCS Championship Game...
TE
posted on November 6, 2007 4:19 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
Gatorhippy, I was going to say the same thing...The Dolphins...Heck, the '76 Tampa Bay Bucks would've killed this team...
Not that we're not an excellent football team...It's just that professional athletes and coaches are operating on a different level...
Bevo Boy said:
posted on November 6, 2007 4:26 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Just remember that every bowl eligible team in the SEC got into a bowl last year. Not every team did in the Big East. The Big East had as many 11+ win teams as the SEC did (3). The fact that not as many Big East teams were in the BCS shows that there is less respect for the Big East than the SEC, not that the SEC is better.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on November 6, 2007 4:29 PM — 198.211.223.194 — link — abuse?
#48 BevoBoy
It almost sounds like you are comparing Longhorns team to that of LSU's. I think in the eyes of any sane person, an 8-2 LSU team is far better than the 8-2 Longhorns. How many quality wins does UT have? The last time I checked their schedule (5 min. ago)there weren't any real quality wins. The Longhorns biggest victory was over a (then 5-3, now 5-4)Oklahoma State team. Texas made one of this years best comebacks to squeeze out a win over an average Cowboys team. TCU might have looked to be a big win early, but at 5-4 the Horned Frogs have proven to destined to mediocrity this season.
With only Texas Tech and Texas A&M left on the Longhorns schedule, it doesn't appear as though Texas will have any quality wins this year, even if they win their remaining 2 games. I admit that the Tech and A&M games are big rivalry games, but neither of those opponents even make a blip on the radar that is the BCS rankings.
The fact the the Longhorns are ranked in the top 15 of the BCS is ridiculous enough, please don't defend a token ranking when the team is definately haveing a down year.Bevo Boy said:
posted on November 6, 2007 4:38 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
FanoftheGame #60, I'm not comparing the two, I know that LSU is the better team. I was stressing the point that no team in the SEC can show any dominance. If LSU is the best team in the nation, why can't they play 60 solid minutes of football? They barely pull out wins over teams with 6 or less wins and instead of being called overrated, their conference is considered that much tougher. Other teams would drop for such performances, but LSU continues to be in the top 5.
gatorhippy
posted on November 6, 2007 4:40 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
Bevo (#58):
"Just remember that every bowl eligible team in the SEC got into a bowl last year. Not every team did in the Big East."
True..
However...
I would say that Bama was picked over Pitt not because of respect for the SEC...
But because of the fact that Bama is a more attractive team based on the sheer number of tickets that will be sold to their fans and given how well they travel the amount of money they will pump into a locales economy...
Remember, bowls are about money first...
Especially the lower tier bowls...
And honestly...
There were plenty of other 6-6 teams that were picked from other conferences over Pitt also because of name...
So that ideal can't really be tagged on the SEC alone...
It falls across CFB...
gatorhippy
posted on November 6, 2007 4:45 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
Bevo (#61):
"If LSU is the best team in the nation, why can't they play 60 solid minutes of football? They barely pull out wins over teams with 6 or less wins and instead of being called overrated, their conference is considered that much tougher."
That's what everyone said last season about UF...
And in the end it proved to be true that their schedule through the SEC in fact showed the superiority of teams in this conference...
I fully believe LSU, UT, or AU could have walked out on that feild and produced a similiar result against OSU last season...
With the next tier down of SEC squads giving them a run for their money...
M GO BLUE said:
posted on November 6, 2007 9:18 PM — 216.46.209.185 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, you fully believe that UT could have beaten OSU in the same fashion as Florida?
UT could'nt even beat Penn State.
I don't think any other SEC school could have pounded OSU as badly as the Gator's.......Florida had it all going for them that night.....there was'nt a team in college football that could have beaten Florida on that night.
Please don't take this as anti SEC, i think the SEC is very good from top to bottom, but i can't believe that UT would have taken out OSU if they could'nt put away Penn State.
U. of S. C. 1978 said:
posted on November 6, 2007 9:24 PM — 97.82.188.250 — link — abuse?
http://secsportsfans.com/top-college-football-bowl-conference.htmlU. of S. C. 1978 said:
posted on November 6, 2007 9:43 PM — 97.82.188.250 — link — abuse?
ok sorry for the 1st link, this is the right one I think, "preview post" does not work for me so I hope for the best.
http://www.secsportsfans.com/top-college-football-bowl-conference.html
U. of S. C. 1978 said:
posted on November 6, 2007 9:47 PM — 97.82.188.250 — link — abuse?
Well Crapola, that didn't work either so here is the copy and paste short version.
So, here is the bowl game record (through 2006-2007) of the major college football conferences. The first number is total bowl games. The second is wins; third is losses; fourth is ties; fifth is bowl game win percentage.
Bowls Wins Losses Ties Win %
SEC 352 177 162 13 .522
Big 12 304 144 157 4 .480
ACC 268 141 122 5 .536
Big Ten 226 111 112 3 .498
Pac-10 214 108 100 6 .519
Big East 100 46 52 2 .470
Obviously, you can debate who has the "best all-time college football bowl record" as the SEC has the most wins; but the ACC has the highest winning percentage.
However, the ACC only obtained that advantage because we are including the bowl records of Boston College, Miami, Florida State and Virginia Tech – who only very recently joined the ACC. The vast majority of the bowl wins of those teams happened before they joined the ACC.
Yes, Arkansas and South Carolina also only joined the SEC relatively recently (1992). But those two teams have woeful bowl records.
And, the winning percentage difference is slight -- compared to the SEC's 36 bowl win advantage.
So, looking at the big picture; in comparing the bowl records of the SEC and ACC -- there really is no comparison. The SEC is clearly the top all-time college football bowl game conference.
To get the above numbers, we started (mostly) with information available at www.ncaa.org. But, their information only extended through the 2005-2006 bowl season. So, we manually added in the results of last year's bowl games.
NUMEROUS Big Ten fans have posted on this site about the fact that apparently the Big Ten only allowed one team to play in a bowl game up until 1976. The Big Ten Champ played in the Rose Bowl; everyone else went home. So, obviously, this would severely restrict the number of Big Ten teams that went to bowl games during those years. Of course there were far fewer bowls back then; still, it's a valid point worth mentioning.
But, however you slice it -- them's the numbers and the SEC is still #1!
To compare the head to head records of the SEC vs the major college football conferences (and the Ivy League), check out:
* SEC vs Big Ten Football* SEC vs Big 12 Football
* SEC vs ACC Football
* SEC vs Big East Football
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TE
posted on November 6, 2007 9:59 PM — 70.180.45.10 — link — abuse? said:
MGOBLLUE shows his face...Mr. "King Of College Football" decides to peek his internet version of Punxatawney Phil out to see if winter is over...
LOL...Welcome back, man...Have you gotten that taste out of your mouth, finally?
Seriously, man...you think NO team in the SEC could've beaten you guys? I'd like to think LSU last year could've treated you like a valet parking attendant at Speed Week at Daytona...
We would've worn you out, too...
Meyer says it himself...Every year he's been in the league, LSU is the only team that is as talented and deep as the mighty Gators...
I think that's about as good of an endorsement as any, as well as our late season wins against UT in Neyland, not to mention stopping Arkansucks in Little (Fraggle) Rock, and then the humbling of Neuter Lame...
You guys didn't-and I'm sure still don't-want any of the Tigers, buddy...
M GO BLUE said:
posted on November 6, 2007 10:27 PM — 216.46.210.55 — link — abuse?
TE.....I am a Wolverine.....in my post i was speaking of the Buckeye's......yes i think your LSU tigers could have beaten my Wolverines last year.
Today in the my part of the great state of Michigan, it was cloudy......and snowing.....it will be cloudy, cold, windy, and snowing for the next five months..........YYYYYEEEEEEEEEHHHAAAAAA..........i need help....
Did you know that Michigan's last bowl win came over the Florida Gators???? Did you know that Michigan is 4-1 vs the SEC in bowl games in the last 9 years??? With win's over Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, and Florida.............I AM NOW TAKING HEADING FOR MY BUNKER....BEFORE THE SEC FANS KILL ME.
Tomcat said:
posted on November 6, 2007 10:54 PM — 69.150.79.102 — link — abuse?
#74 Ya Lennie, I find this most interesting.
#69 U of Sc78 This conference bowl comparison raises alot of questions.For example, are these based upon the current conference alingments?
Its kinda hard to compare stats from the begining of time with all the different teams moving and changing, the formation of new different conferences, realignments and the disposal of others.
For Example The old SWC must be the best conference based on bowl apperances last year.
Texas
Texas Tech
Arkansas
Texas A&M
TCU
Houston
Rice
G-Hip you listening thats 7 outa 9 teams
Obviuosly the best based on that analysist.
Baylor 4-8 with quality wins over KU, CU & KSU didnt qualify nor did SMU who still cant recover from the death penalty- Sorry Craig James, Eric Dickerson,and Don Meredith. Poor Mustangs
Ya no doubt that SWC is #1
Hookem Horns
Lennie Collins
posted on November 6, 2007 11:06 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
GatorMatt #75 read closely! I was telling GA Boy that I was not going to say Boston College is OVERRATED because they had lost to Florida State. Then I gave him the definition of what the word means. Then I gave him examples! I don't praise conferences, I praise teams. You should read the content instead of trying to make someone look bad, BUD! You SEC fans are trying so hard to convince people on here how good the SEC is. Read my post GatorMatt. I gives a doggone what you or anyone else think of Oklahoma or the Big 12. It's your opinion! You don't see me, OU Ron, or OU Fan typing our fingers to the bone to try to convince others how good the Sooners let alone the Big 12 is!
GatorMatt
posted on November 6, 2007 11:16 PM — 70.171.18.91 — link — abuse? said:
#77,
I'm well aware of the context in which you posted that, but you took a jab at the SEC, and that got the ball rolling with SEC fans. You're not gonna hear me go on about how great the SEC is, b/c Florida isn't too hot right now. Now this past January, that's a different story. And hell, if the SEC had 3 teams in the top 10, I'd be gloating. On another note, I think all the gloating comes from in the past when the media couldn't seem to find their way of the Big 10's balls, and didn't give the SEC a second glance. That's my opinion
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 6, 2007 11:26 PM — 75.120.246.143 — link — abuse?
Shame on BC.
Why don't we all just wait until January and then total up conference against conference wins. That should settle this never ending argument about which conference is the best . . . at least until next fall.
Lennie Collins
posted on November 6, 2007 11:36 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
GatorMatt #78 if you noticed no SEC fan took a "jab" at me because they read the definiton of what the word OVERRATED means according to Dictionary.com. The SEC and USC has gotton WAY TOO much praise over the last few years. I have never said that the SEC or any conference does not have good teams. Let's praise individual teams and not conferences. Because Kansas, Oklahoma, and Missouri is doing well does that mean the rest of the Big 12 is great? Until I see the Big 12 vs the SEC challenge in College Football all this talk is just that: TALK! I will say it again I have NOT a thing against the SEC but I am not going to bow down and crown them the KING CONFERENCE!
Tomcat said:
posted on November 6, 2007 11:49 PM — 69.150.79.102 — link — abuse?
#46 gatorhippy To say that the XII has nada zilch is purty funny.When looking at different conferences and comparisons the teams from the SEC and XII are very simular, every week just about anybody can beat anybody.I would love to see a UT vs LSU or a UT vs Fla bowl game.
The competition in both conferences is very tough and yes the Horns are having a down year at 8-2 and the game this week is against a 7-3 Texas Tech team.Texas Tech is a quality conference opponent that can score alot of points.
LSU is a great team and so is Fla,UGa,UA, Bama, KY, So Car,Tenn so forth and so on and I for one would never say that other than LSU the SEC has zilch.LSU has 1 loss and barely excaped 2 or 3 others.Could they whip Ohio St, ya probably, could they survive in the XII, na I kinda doubt it. Without getting into some sort of vicory chain crap, you have to aknowledge that there is tough competetition in other conferences like the XII. Take a few early season OCC games this year for example between the XII vs SEC
Missu over Ole Miss okay whatever
AU over K State and UGa over OK state
Those were purty good games against a couple of unranked middle of the road XII teams.
Last Years Bowls XII vs SEC
AU over Neb close game AU got the W over a team that lost to OK St, UT and OU
Ok st over Bama a team that lost to OU & UT
Hookem-Horns 8-2
only 6 turnovers away from undefeated
Clemson Joe said:
posted on November 7, 2007 12:27 AM — 24.168.208.54 — link — abuse?
Somehow a post about BC having less than desirable fans has turned into yet another "the SEC is better than..." discussion. Absolutely amazing.
The story with South Carolina fans is the same every year. For the first few weeks, it's "we need ______ to happen to win the National Championship". A few losses (and weeks) later it's "we need _____ to happen to win the SEC East". Alas, a few more losses (and yet more weeks later) it's back to talking about how great the SEC is. Same story every year "since 1801" it seems like. Instead of worrying how good (or overinflated) the SEC is, why don't you worry about putting a team together that can and will actually win it? Good luck in your next 3 games, you're going to need it.
By the way, the "almighty" SEC's record against OOC BCS opponents this year isn't so great. Actually it's 5 - 5. The ACC's is 9 - 8 (counting Notre Dame, and not counting Navy and Army; if Navy and Army were counted, it would be 11 - 9). I don't know what the other conferences are, because I didn't take the time to figure them out. No one cares how many SEC teams are bowl eligible because quite a few of them got that way by beating up on Sun Belt teams. If memory serves correctly, the Big East went 5 - 0 in bowl games last year. Does that make them the best conference? Of course not. Only the reasoning that is convenient to SEC fans at the time is the correct reasoning. Last year it wasn't convenient. This year, maybe it will be. Only time will tell.
My point is this: Who cares what the best conference is? No one knows right now, no matter how much you think you do know. We'll find out a little more about that after all of the games have been played. Until then, worry about winning the games that you need to win to get where you want to be, no matter who the opponent is or what conference they're affiliated with.
Now how about those Boston College fans?
GatorMatt
posted on November 7, 2007 10:11 AM — 128.227.7.218 — link — abuse? said:
#85,
They did it at basketball games from time to time when I was in high school, so I don't see that as a too far fetched idea. I think if a player actually gets hurt as a result of some jackass fan, then that could be a possibility
Tampa Hurricane
posted on November 7, 2007 10:52 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse? said:
Cane Mutiny how is that "f*cking mormans" chant worse than what gets chanted at other stadiums? Remember, "F*uck you Seminoles, Seminoles F*ck you" is always chanted during the FSU/UM game.
As for the fans throwing things on the field, that has become a huge problem in college football and something needs to be done about it.
The ACC should step in and start to penalize BC if they are using their scoreboard system to try to influence the game.
hok1e said:
posted on November 7, 2007 11:06 AM — 24.127.50.19 — link — abuse?
let's get these losers out of the ACC. A new northeastern conference should be created so that all of these obnoxious, classless guidos like those at BC will have a place to roam free.
in defense of the north, however, the south--although really just the SEC--has its flawed fans, as well. For instance, LSU fans are some of the most vile people on earth. Among other things, spitting on the opposing team's fans is an acceptable practice down in BR--southern hospitality?.
That being said, BC doesn't do much for the ACC when it comes to the reputation of our fans--which generally is highly regarded.
bcdan711 said:
posted on November 7, 2007 1:41 PM — 136.167.125.199 — link — abuse?
Wow not much love for bc on here ... ill be the first to admit that there is no excuse for throwing trash on the field or chanting "f-ing mormons", but as a student that stands in the student section every game i can assure everyone that these are the actions of a small number of bc students. Anyone who says that this kind of stuff doesnt happen at their school is a liar.
In addition, im surprised kevin didnt also describe the many gestures made by fsu players to bc fans during and after the game, and i wouldnt be surprised if fsu actually enjoyed the reaction they received.
Also, hok1e, you make it sound like bc is the dirt of the ACC ... keep in mind the public apology of georgia tech's administration after their fan's throwing of garbage during the bc-gt game stopped play 5 times even after numerous warnings from the refs. Yes, this was embarrassing but dont pretend that it doesnt happen at most colleges that care about football.
Cowbell05 said:
posted on November 7, 2007 9:37 PM — 70.152.126.171 — link — abuse?
#89,
I agree with you that B.C. isnt the only school in the ACC or the entire country for that matter that acts like that...but im not sure that you can say "It was a small number of students" that acted like this...or otherwise it wouldn't be talked about...because like i said this happens at EVERY football game.
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GatorMatt
said:
posted on November 5, 2007 12:15 PM — 70.171.18.91 — link — abuse?What exactly does BC have to be cocky about? They lost to a mediocre FSU team, so now their cindarella story is over. But seriously, what exactly has BC done lately do make the fans think they're better than anyone else?