December 3, 2006
BCS Proposal
Typically I take an anti-playoffs stand. Recently I had an idea so simple it might just work. Basically I leave everything as it stands today. On the Saturday at least eight days before New Years Day (AKA the Saturday before Christmas) I would add two games.
BCS Selection would operate as it currently does, with one exception. The two new games are semi-finals for the National Championship Game. The winners move on to the National Championship, the losers get an opportunity to redeem themselves in the traditional BCS Bowls.
The qualifications for the semi-finals would be:
1) The top 2 conference champions in the BCS standings are automatically in.
2) If any other undefeated teams exist, the one with the highest BCS standing is automatically in.
3) Of all the remaining teams, the eligible team with the highest BCS standing is in, until all four spots are filled.
BCS #1 plays the lowest ranked contender.
BCS #2 plays the final contender.
This year Ohio State would play Boise State and Florida would play Michigan.
Last year USC would have played Ohio State and Texas would have played Penn State.
In 2004 USC would have played Utah and Oklahoma would have played Auburn.
After BCS Selection 4 teams would know they are going to a semi-final game, 6 teams would learn which BCS Bowl they are going to. All four possible outcomes of the semifinals would have been considered and the placement of the losing teams in each case would be announced.
The over-all BCS qualifications and bowl structure would remain exactly the same. The season would not be extended further into the winter academic term. Only 4 teams would be affected by the extra game. The BCS power brokers would have more money to play with. The system would generate numerous contingencies for the TV networks (and Fanblogs) to expound upon.
Like I said, it just might be simple enough to work.
Comments:
SpurrierLover said:
posted on December 3, 2006 4:32 PM — 70.137.159.60 — link — abuse?
Sounds marvelous. I had been thinking of something similar for the last few years and never understood what the big deal would. Especially since they extended the season by one game this year anyway. I know this is not a playoff, but 4 teams having a chance is better than 2.
BuckiNut said:
posted on December 3, 2006 6:03 PM — 65.189.178.33 — link — abuse?
I too have always been against a playoff. With an 8 team playoff this years tOSU v's UM game would have been meaningless [seeing as both teams would have been in the playoff]. This idea might actually work without ruining the traditional rivalry games at the end of the season.
wishbone said:
posted on December 3, 2006 6:42 PM — 216.170.58.10 — link — abuse?
Nothing against Boise St. They are a very decent team.
That being said, is there anyone who thinks the Broncos deserve to be in a playoff over the likes of LSU etc. Just because they are unbeaten in no way means they are a national champion caliber team.
How would it still not ruin the year end rivalry games? In this case, either Mich or tOSU could lose and still make the "playoff". They go into the game knowing they don't have to win to get into the playoff? WTF? Why even play the game then? If that doesn't diminish the regular season game I don't know what does.
Regan said:
posted on December 3, 2006 8:15 PM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?
A system must be contingent upon the dynamics of each individual season to be able to address every possibility and end all doubts, with two key factors to shape it:
- A 2-Loss team should never play for a national championship.
- A team that did not win it's conference title should never play for a national championship.A blueprint set up in advance for all contingencies set up for all combinations of 0-Loss & 1-Loss teams would be enacted, and the shape of each postseason wouldn't be unveiled until after Championship Saturday.
Let me know if anyone wants to see it typed out.
posted on December 3, 2006 8:43 PM — 69.73.43.95 — link — abuse?Ben Prather said:
Boise:
The reason I specifically include teams like Boise State is so all teams have access to the national championship. These teams don't have the opportunity to play the conference schedules of LSU, Oklahoma, USC or the like. These schedules greatly influence the standings in the top 10, capping these teams at a top 10 finish, maybe top 6 if they destroy everyone they play by 40 points.
Give them the chance to play it out. Besides, a regular season finish in the top spot should mean something.
Rivalry Games: Rivalry games like OSU and Michigan have a tradition that trancends deeper than qualifying for a BCS Bowl. These games are intense even when one team is championship bound and the other is only left to play the spoiler. Why did they play the USC, UCLA game.
No coach would relax in a rivalry game because the BCS is not on the line. The Alumni would have thier heads on a platter.
Tim said:
posted on December 4, 2006 9:31 AM — 149.55.30.100 — link — abuse?
Good idea, but here's a hypothetical for you. Let's go back and say USC beat UCLA. Who makes it to the playoffs? Ohio State and Boise. But now you have to choose 2 from UCS, Michigan and Florida. Someone is still going to get screwed.
Buckeye Sparks said:
posted on December 4, 2006 10:27 AM — 66.145.249.87 — link — abuse?
Playoff format using the 2006 final BCS ranking as follows:
#14 Wake Forest (ACC champs) vs. #1 Ohio State (Big Ten champs) @ Columbus
#10 Oklahoma (Big 12 champs) vs. #2 Florida (SEC champs) @ Gainesville
#4 LSU (2nd at large) vs. #5 USC (PAC-10 champs) @ Los Angeles
#3 Michigan (1st at Large) vs. #6 Louisville (Big East champs) @ LouisvilleWith the 6 major BCS conference champions and 2 at large (next 2 highest ranked schools). Although, the 2 at large, rank higher than their opponents, home field goes to conference champions.
The above 1st round games played December 9, with the 2nd round games being played on December 16.
2nd round 2 highest seeded conference winners from 1st round host 2 lower seeded conference winners and/or at large winner(s).
Notre Dame and Boise State, along with 1st and 2nd round losers to Fiesta, Orange, Rose & Sugar Bowls.
The 2 playoff winners, advance to the BCS championship game.
gatorhippy said:
posted on December 4, 2006 11:08 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
I still prefer to see a NCAA-sanctioned 16 team system with the 11 conference winners and 5 at large teams...
It would look like this for 2006 Conference winners:
ACC: Wake Forest
B-East: Louisville
B-10: Ohio State
B-12: Oklahoma
C-USA: Houston
Mid-Am: Central Mich.
M-West: BYU
Pac-10: USC
SEC: Florida
S-Belt: Troy
WAC: Boise StateThis guarantees EVERY conference champion a shot at running the table for the Championship...
At large selections are made by overall record, then using opponents win percentage (any opponent not in D-1 is not counted in the percentage...i.e. no Western Carolina, Northeastern, etc.)...
One Loss: Michigan, WisconsinTwo Loss IN: LSU .555, West Virginia .553, Rutgers .548
Two Loss OUT: Auburn .534, Virginia Tech .533, Notre Dame .527
After this process, the NCAA would then seed teams...
In this process, teams winning in weaker conferences aren't necessarily guaranteed a home game and teams not winning the champ. in stronger conferences still get a shot at a decent seed if possible...
Higher seed plays at home...
1. OSU
2. Michigan
3. Florida
4. Southern Cal
5. Louisville
6. LSU
7. Wisconsin
8. Oklahoma
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9. West Virginia
10. Wake Forest
11. Boise State
12. Rutgers
13. BYU
14. Houston
15. C. Michigan
16. TroyChampionship game is played in nuetral site TBD annually...
All teams participating are eleigible for bowl games after elimination if slots are available...
First round would commence third Saturday in December culminating with a championship game first or second Saturday in January...
Ok, tear it up as you wish...
#1CollegeFootballFan said:
posted on December 4, 2006 11:29 AM — 66.145.249.87 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy,
Post #11Your proposal would be the ultimate playoff system.
But, to get the NCAA and university presidents to buy into a playoff system. We will more than likely need to take baby steps first.
As this one suggested by Ben.
posted on December 4, 2006 1:18 PM — 150.176.192.1 — link — abuse?
goodolnuma5: I would like a like to your idea. This one is actually a twist of of what I thought was going to happen when the BCS first announced it was going to add a championship game to the mix. I misunderstood the initial press to mean the championship game was going to be decided after the bowls.
Tim: there will always exist the bubble problem in any selection process.
I don'tsupport a full blown playoff. First of all it is not going to happen. Second the Bowls are a rich and exciting tradition unique to college football. Finally the top teams would play disproportionately more games than lesser teams, increasing the already unbalanced attention and funding.
j.llewellyn said:
posted on December 4, 2006 2:59 PM — 24.231.228.236 — link — abuse?
I suggest one change. add GRADUATION rate to the equation. so many points for 95%, 90% 85% 80% 75% no points for anything between 74% and 60%. Points would be DEDUCTED for anything under 59% to 40% on a gratuated scale. Any school with a graduation rate UNDER 39% would not qualify regardless of their winning record. After all there are good teams, smart teams, and good smart teams which should be the goal.
volstrike3 said:
posted on December 4, 2006 5:36 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
This format would certainly be an improvement from what we currently have. I would prefer an 8 team playoff but I would take your proposal.
Also, for the people that think any college coach would not play to win in a big game knows absolutely nothing about competitive sports. Do you really think OSU or Michigan would have taken it easy if they could get into a playoff? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. The coach that did that would be fired.volstrike3 said:
posted on December 4, 2006 6:04 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane & j.llewellyn,
Almost every school would have problems. Only 60% of the general student population graduates in 4-5 years. Athletes actually graduate at a higher rate that the general student popluation. Your attempt to make athletes and SEC athletes in particular seem stupid is misguided. Sure, there are some idiots that flunk out but we are talking about 17-22 year old kids, most of us were stupid at that age.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 4, 2006 6:16 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
I am a moron and USC sucks! That said....
I think it is a marvelous idea. But, how are we gonna substitute two other great games in place of these fan favorites: R+L Carriers (Rice vs Troy), Motor City (Middle Tennessee vs Central Michigan), New Mexico Bowl (New Mexico vs San Jose State), PapaJohn's.co (South Florida vs East Carolina) and GMAC Bowl (So. Mississippi vs Ohio)? Now, who in their right mind would want to possibly lose two of these brutal matchups just to watch each of the Top Four teams playoff? I think we'll just have another major "controversy" with teams like Troy and Ohio wondering how they could have been left out? We'll have to increase all bowl games to 36 or something or it just might not be fair to some of these other "major" bowl participants. I know I wouldn't want to give up any of these other "great games".
Tommie T
Mooka said:
posted on December 4, 2006 7:22 PM — 68.107.102.29 — link — abuse?
Heeyy, nice of you to show up Tommie T. LMFAO! Michigan and USC it is. That will be a damn good match up. I think you guys dodged a SEC bullet though from LSU. Maybe we'll get ya'll next year in the NC. I just wish LSU had a better match-up for their Sugar Bowl. They deserve better than ND.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 4, 2006 8:03 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Mooka:
I am a moron. USC sucks....
I am glad we don't get LSU. The way that Kiffen called that game with FUCLA was pathetic. LSU would destroy USC with that kind of pathetic game plan. USC knows Michigan much better and may have somewhat of a chance. But, if Kiffen couldn't figure to "pound the middle" against UCLA, it's way too late to even try that with LSU. They couldn't figure out to move the TE over to the other side or bring a FB into the game to help Williams with Bruce Davis. What would they have figured out with LSU when it was all eleven defensive players playing tough. That game was easily won. You switch to an "I Formation" when the DE's are crashing the QB, bring in 6'1 235lb soph Michael Coleman, and have him follow the FB into the hole. You don't try and run tailback sweeps around DE's that are charging the QB. CJ Gable is not Reggie Bush. He could not beat them outside either. So, it's "up the gut" until the DE's lay back. Then you pass. USC's arrogance was in full display to the point of just plain ignorance of football - period. I hope they learned a lesson. You have to change the game plan sometimes. What is the most incredibly stupid thing of all - is that everybody in town knew what UCLA was gonna try and do. USC just decided to play right into that strength. Real stupid coaching. It cost them a shot. Oh well, like I said, I hope that Pete Carroll enjoys having been outcoached by Karl Dorrell for the next whole year. I know that I'm really enjoying calling myself "a moron". But, I will never count on Pete Carroll or Lane Kiffen having the good sense to win a game for quite some time again.
Tommie T
Tomcat said:
posted on December 5, 2006 12:03 AM — 69.153.81.120 — link — abuse?
While most of us are in agreement that the current system has flaws and needs change.
#11 gatorhippy I'll agree that all conferences need to be represented and I like your idea's.
Ben the plus 1 game senerio has been brought up many times and any improvement would be welcomed.
All conferences need to have the same number of teams and all conferences should have a conference championship or the conference championship games need to be eliminated.
Example OSU vs Michigan if they played a conference Championship game, there would be no disscussion of a rematch for the title.
example SEC championship Ark vs Fla if this game wasnt played Ark would be a one loss team
The current system favors Big10/11 and Pac-10 and of course our annual independent N.D.
Ohio State played one tough OCC opponent Texas a three loss team. Texas beat the XII champ 28-10 .
N.D. should join the big ten and earn its spot in a conference championship, they could still wup the Academys during OCC play.
I really like your idea Ben its better than what we have.
#19 Tommie T I'm kinda looking foward to the Rice vs Troy game. 05 Owls 1-10 06 Owls 7-5
45 years since they went bowling Hookem-OwlsRegan said:
posted on December 5, 2006 2:15 AM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
ALRIGHT, FINE!... I'll post it anyway. :)
ANY POST-SEASON MUST BE CONTINGENT UPON AN INDIVIDUAL YEAR'S OUTCOMES TO ADDRESS ALL CONCERNS.
BLUEPRINT RULES:
1) Only Conference Champions can compete for the Title.
2) Only Undefeated or 1-Loss Teams can compete for the Title.
3) Non-BCS Conference Champions posting an undefeated record count as 1-Loss Teams for the purposes of inclusion, thus getting a chance, but not at the expense of BCS-caliber teams.0-Loss = Number of Qualifying 0-Loss Teams
1-Loss = Number of Qualifying 1-Loss Teams> 0-Loss: 0, 1-Loss: 1 0-Loss team plays 1-Loss Team
> 0-Loss: 0, 1-Loss: 2 Two 1-Loss Teams play
> 0-Loss: 0, 1-Loss: 3 ROUND A: #2 vs. #3; ROUND B: winner plays #1
> 0-Loss: 0, 1-Loss: 4 Playoff of four
> 0-Loss: 0, 1-Loss: 5 ROUND A: #2 vs. #5, #3 vs. #4; ROUND B: #2/5 vs. #3/#4; ROUND C: winner plays #1
> 0-Loss: 0, 1-Loss: 6 ROUND A: #1 vs. #6, #2 vs. #5, #3 vs. #4; ROUND B: #2/#5 vs. #3/#4; ROUND C: winner plays #1/#6
> 0-Loss: 0, 1-Loss: 7 ROUND A: #2 vs. #7, #3 vs. #6, #4 vs. #5; ROUND B: #1 vs. #4/#5 winner; #2/7 winner vs. #3/#6 winner; ROUND C: #1/#4/#5 winner vs. #2/#7/#3/#6 winner
> 0-Loss: 0, 1-Loss: 8 Playoff of eight
...and so forth. IF THIS SOUNDS COMPLICATED, I give you Exhibit A: the BCS Computers
Heres how it would have looked in the past few years:
2006:
0-Loss Teams: 1
#1 OHST
1-Loss Teams: 3
#2 FLA, #3 LOU, #4 BSUROUND A: OHST vs. BSU; FLA vs. LOU
ROUND B: OHST/BSU vs. FLA/LOU2005:
0-Loss Teams: 2
#1 SCAL vs. #2 TEX2004:
0-Loss Teams: 5
#1 SCAL, #2 OU, #3 AUBROUND A: OU vs. AUB
ROUND B: OU/AUB vs. SCAL2003:
0-Loss Teams: 0
1-Loss Teams: 3
#1 OU, #2 LSU, #3 SCALROUND A: LSU vs. SCAL
ROUND B: LSU/SCAL vs. OU2002:
0-Loss Teams: 2
#1 MIA vs. #2 OHST2001:
0-Loss Teams: 1
#1 MIA
1-Loss Teams: 3
#2 ORE, #3 MARY, #4 ILLROUND A: MIA vs. ILL; ORE vs. MARY
ROUND B: MIA/ILL vs. ORE/MARYSee? No more than seven games per post-season.
Everybody Wins. The Playoff people AND the Regular Season Fans
(I have a more complete chart, this one lets people get the picture...)
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 5, 2006 9:20 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Regan:
Way to go with the "research work". Always love a guy who does his "homework". Too bad the Trojan coaches didn't feel the need last week. As usual, your plan might make some sense, but will never be implemented. College Football actually needs the controversy. That is why a "True National Champion" will never be proven. It's all supposed to be "mythical" anyway. There has never been one single NC ever proven - nor will there ever be. For my part - I could still claim that USC was "the best team". On any given day - they might beat Ohio State or Florida. Next day - they lose. There will never be a way that satisfies everyone, and the powers that be, would never want that anyway. But, your idea is a great one, and would give more teams a fair shot. But, the NCAA is not really interested in that - or else teams like Notre Dame would never get into a BCS Bowl game. It's all about the "green stuff" and what teams "travel well".
Tommie T
Tommie T
One Hundred Yards said:
posted on December 6, 2006 2:05 AM — 75.35.155.249 — link — abuse?
Another alternative is described at [1] using the Swiss system tournament. It's specifically designed for short tournaments with large number of participants and provides excellent games in each round and a robust system to determine the beat team.
[1] http://onehundredyards.blogspot.com/2006/12/alternative-to-current-bcs-system.html
JT said:
posted on December 10, 2006 1:00 AM — 71.213.226.54 — link — abuse?
Regan,
Your system's greatest weaknesses fall in these 2 categories:
> 0-Loss: 0, 1-Loss: 5 ROUND A: #2 vs. #5, #3 vs. #4; ROUND B: #2/5 vs. #3/#4; ROUND C: winner plays #1
> 0-Loss: 0, 1-Loss: 6 ROUND A: #1 vs. #6, #2 vs. #5, #3 vs. #4; ROUND B: #2/#5 vs. #3/#4; ROUND C: winner plays #1/#6
In the former, why not have 4&5 play, with the winner taking on #1, 2&3 playing, & the winners of 4/5 vs. 1 & 2 vs. 3 playing in the title? That would seem fairer than one team receiving 2 rounds of byes.
In the latter, I would suggest 1st round byes for #1 & #2, with those 2 teams playing the winners of 3/6 & 4/5, respectively; or, alternatively, if #6 upsets #1, the next highest ranking team remaining receives the 2nd round bye.
posted on December 11, 2006 11:43 AM — 150.176.192.1 — link — abuse?
I specifically put Boise in over USC because I feel any team that goes undefeated should have the ability to try for the national title, over a team with two losses.
I would expect Boise to lose, but I give them their shot.
Columbo said:
posted on December 14, 2006 7:26 PM — 204.17.31.126 — link — abuse?
Any type of playoff AT all would ruin the regular season. Ohio State went undefeated and everyone else choked. That was their fault, not the BCS's. If Florida would have beaten Auburn, everything would be perfect. You guys all want to cater to the teams that lost. We should cater to Ohio St.
TramadoL42819 said:
posted on December 21, 2006 10:38 AM — 202.128.39.249 — link — abuse?
I've just been staying at home waiting for something to happen. Whatever. Not much on my mind lately. I guess it doesn't bother me.
TramadoL95151 said:
posted on December 21, 2006 1:19 PM — 60.48.105.54 — link — abuse?
Basically nothing noteworthy happening right now, but eh. Today was a complete loss. I haven't been up to much recently. I've pretty much been doing nothing worth mentioning.
Elvis Presley said:
posted on December 21, 2006 4:27 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
TraumaDoll:
Now if your baby's left you...and you aren't feelin' so well...you can meet me down a lonely street called "Heartbreak Hotel"...I'm feelin' so lonely baby...I'm feelin' so lonely...I'm feelin' so lonely I could cry...
Elvis
Sten3368 said:
posted on January 11, 2007 11:58 PM — 210.186.209.82 — link — abuse?
I haven't been up to anything today. I can't be bothered with anything recently. Nothing seems worth thinking about. I haven't gotten anything done recently, but oh well. Not much noteworthy going on worth mentioning.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 12, 2007 8:39 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Sten3368:
Have you tried "GETTING A LIFE"? I'll give you a clue - YOU GOTTA MAKE IT HAPPEN! The only time that life ever happens is the second that your born, after that, it's all up to you. I'll guarantee you that the only things that are gonna just drop into your lap - are gonna all be bad. KEEP YOUR CHIN UP! DROP THE NOOSE TODAY!
Tommie T
IrishJT said:
posted on January 26, 2007 9:13 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Many of you have said that Notre Dame didn't belong in a BCS bowl. If that is your position, how in the world could you want Boise State to contend for the national title. When Oregon State is your toughest opponent, I don't care if you go 30-0, you have to play big league competition...at least more than one BCS-conference team. Boise State does not qualify. Oklahoma was not a good team, folks. The Big 12 was not a good conference this year, folks.
Do you think next year we can start making some honest assessments about conferences rather than blindly defend our favorite teams? I'd love to see SEC fans admit that they're collective OOC schedule is pathetic. I'd cherish seeing Big East fans admit they're collective conference is pathetic. Big 12 fans should be ashamed of their mediocrity. PAC10 too. Big 10 three.
I'll say this about Notre Dame...they schedule rivalries that go back 50 years. However, they are going to have to throttle the big majors they play (Michigan, Penn St, USC, etc.) if they are to be an overwhelming favorite. There is nothing wrong with playing Navy...as long as you beat the shite out of the Fighting Pete Carrolls.
OU Fan said:
posted on January 27, 2007 1:22 PM — 84.146.36.106 — link — abuse?
IrishJT, I agree with you on one aspect. Notre Dame has the balls to play anyone in the country hands down, and they do every year. And I also agree that a lot teams recently from the SEC have barely played any tough OOC opponents except for Arkansas, Alabama, and Tennessee. But dude, don't hate on the Big 12 because your Irish got humiliated in the Sugar Bowl. The Big 12 was down this past season, but they will be back on top next season. Your Irish however, especially with Quinn going to the draft are done. Go Sooners baby! Whoooooooooooooooooo!
ksuwild said:
posted on January 27, 2007 10:26 PM — 71.237.67.235 — link — abuse?
Ben, I must say it would certainly be better than the system we currently have.......so I am for it, or at least something like it.
I have long believed in a 16 team playoff as being what's best for College Football. That has changed after some thought. I have always believed in rewarding conference champions, especially from the best conferences.......so I definitely believe in power ranking the conferences based on the BCS rankings and giving those champions from the top conferences automatic bids.
After long consideration I have modified my own playoff thought. 16 teams in the end is probably too many and would most likely take too much "thunder" from the remaining bowls. I believe a playoff does not have to "ruin" the integrity of the bowl system.......as many think it would. I would never want that to happen.
4 teams is definitely not enough to include the worthy, which is pretty much what this is all about.......giving those who truly deserve the chance, their shot. So in my mind we're up to an 8 team playoff or possibly a 12 team playoff with a bye week for 1-4. For time constraints I'm going to stick with the 8 team for now.
The first thing that should happen(as Tomcat post 24 pointed out)is that all conferences should be required to get an even # of teams and form an east/west or north/south and have a conference championship game. That or get rid of them all together. I don't see them going away due to the money they generate for conferences.......so in my opinion all conferences should have a championship game. It would be good for the conferences that don't have them($$$)and it would definitely help to weed out the pretenders from the contenders.
I don't like the rule of excluding teams that don't win their conf. from making a playoff. What if the 2 best teams in the country play in the same conference? Is that their fault. Florida and LSU could arguably have been the 2 best this year. That rule could potentially hurt teams that should be in the mix.
In the 8 team playoff scenario.......after all conferences had their conf. championship games I would give the top 4 conf. champions automatic bids. This year theoretically it would have been:
1.)Florida
2.)Ohio St.
3.)USC
4.)LouisvilleOf course if these conferences had championship games the rest of this would look different. But for now we'll go with what the final BCS ranks were this year. The next 4 highest BCS rated teams get spots 5-8. This year it would have been:
5.)Michigan
6.)LSU
7.)Wisconsin
8.)Boise St.Round 1
1.)Florida vs. 8.)Boise St.2.)Ohio St. vs. 7.)Wisconsin
3.)USC vs. 6.)LSU
4.)Louisville vs. 5.)Michigan
and so on and so forth for Rounds 2 & 3. This year the Big 10 was a little over rated by the BCS in my opinion and therefore kind of messes up how good this formula would really be in the future. But when you create a formula you have to go with what it gives you. As I mentioned before the Big 10, PAC 10, and Big East do not have championship games.......which would have shaken things up most definitely, and probably got more qualified teams in the mix.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
Bleed Crimson said:
posted on January 29, 2007 10:31 PM — 72.146.16.229 — link — abuse?
Irish JT:
The SEC's OOC schedule IS pathetic. For the reason that LSU, Florida, Auburn, and Arkansas ALL would've beat OSU this year. guess what?? Alabama played LSU, Florida, Auburn, AND Arkansas this past season. Our OOC ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO BE EASY so we can take a break for a week.HAHA, imagine if Notre Dame had a hard OOC schedule and decided to start playing teams like LSU and Florida from the SEC!!!! hahaha. That would be embarassing.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on February 2, 2007 10:41 PM — 216.46.213.187 — link — abuse?
Bleed crimson, Arkansas would have beaten OSU?
Ok, Wisconsin beat Arkansas, and Michigan beat Wisconsin pretty easily, so that means Michigan would beat Arkansas,Auburn,and Alabama, but Michigan lost to OSU.............Ya know what?
Anyone can win on any week.
And the Big 12,Big 10,Pac Ten,SEC,ACC,and Big East are all tough conferences,The SEC may have been a more talented conference this year,but Look what Penn State did to Tennessee, Florida beat them by 1 point,penn state beat them by ten.
Wisconsin beat Arkansas.
The Big Ten was 3-1 vs the SEC this year.
Arkansas could not touch "THE" ONLY USC
Listen man, the idea that the SEC is much better than the other conferences is only in peoples heads.Bring on the Duck's! in 07! It's time for payback!
Maurice said:
posted on February 8, 2007 3:56 PM — 208.17.179.66 — link — abuse?
In 2003 I purposed a 32 team playoff. Keep the Bowl games. Your 11 Conference Champs and 22 at large bids. It starts Mid Dec to Mid Jan. 4 weeks. You can keep the bowl games. It will generate more money.
I still have it. Email me then I will send my playoff format.Tomcat said:
posted on February 27, 2007 11:08 PM — 69.150.48.30 — link — abuse?
Hey Guys T-Mac, Diggs, So Cal
Okay sports fans, its a long offseason.
Some early season matchups look interesting
How about Miami at Oklahoma ?
Texas A&M at Miami ?
TCU at Texas ?
Baylor at TCU ?
Rice at Baylor?
Hookem-HornsSo Cal Runnin' Rebels said:
posted on February 27, 2007 11:34 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
I got a "proposal" or two...
There is no ~off-season~ in College Football - Keep this site rolling.
Otherwise, turn it into a defact-o College Basketball site from February thru March.
... speaking of which, Im loving the race to the Tourney - teams all over are still vying for a spot.That Florida team has such balance, one-thru-five; really talented & experienced...
UNC, statisically, probably the most impressive...
The Mt West is looking good, possibly getting 4 bids (likely 4, if San Diego State wins the Conference tourney).
Tip of the day: look at 4 Key Stats when picking "Up$et$" in the Tourney - Scoring Margin, Defensive FG%, Offensive FG%, and Rebounding Margin (dont stress over teams' RPI, SOS, or Confernece affiliations too much)Tomcat said:
posted on February 28, 2007 12:02 AM — 69.150.48.30 — link — abuse?
Hey I agree that CFB continues as does this football blog, not bball or girls sports blog.
What do you think about these matchups as well as the ones previously mentioned-football
V-Tech at LSU ?
FSU vs Alabama ?
Maryland at Rutgers?
Virinia vs Pittsburgh ?
Nebraska vs Wake Forest ?
Any Hokie fans left? how bout Huskers ?
Were are the Michigan and Notre Dame fans ?
Razorbacks? Horned Frogs? Hawkeyes ?Sten86666 said:
posted on February 28, 2007 7:15 AM — 122.3.102.13 — link — abuse?
I can't be bothered with anything these days, but such is life. I don't care. So it goes. More or less nothing seems worth thinking about. I've just been hanging out waiting for something to happen, but that's how it is.
VTBobb said:
posted on February 28, 2007 10:40 AM — 208.229.147.26 — link — abuse?
My concern is how our offense is going to perform in a very hostile environment. Glennon needs to mature, our offensive line needs to gel early after losing several key players, and our kicking unit will be an unknown early on. Of course, we have ore, several top notch receivers and a stout defense. Should be a fun one to watch.
gatorhippy said:
posted on February 28, 2007 4:51 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
In agreement with all of the recent above...
It's not like there isn't news out there...
Just saw this in today's Orlando Sentinel...
and here's the Tally Democrat version...
http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070228/FSU03/702280347/1026
Noles are thin at TE and Bobby doesn't wanna let this kid go...
Warren wants to transfer to Tenn to be close to his Mom that has had a struggle with cancer recently...
In the Tally article, Warren's momma rips Bobby...
Or What about...
Grobe's raise at Wake...
Cotton Bowl moving to the new Dallas Stadium in 2010...
The Duke player charged in a vehiculkar death...
Plenty of news out there, but no new threads...
Maybe K-Hue is on vacation....
Tomcat said:
posted on February 28, 2007 9:51 PM — 69.150.48.30 — link — abuse?
Hey gatorhippy Your right Kevin is probably on vacation.Heard about the Cotton Bowl move,there's also been alot of disscussion about moving the annual Red River shootout to a home & home series.
The old bowl in Dallas has been the sight of many football games for decades, now apperantley there are other venues and entities that want a peice of the action.I beleive that the stadium is owned by the city and that alot of improvements are needed.
Tomcat said:
posted on February 28, 2007 10:19 PM — 69.150.48.30 — link — abuse?
#45 and #49 Try to have a positive outlook, its not all that bad.If you are suffering try to seek help.There is help out there for you, take a positive step towards improvement.Find something that interest you like a hobby and go for it.
It could be something as simple as caring for an animal or artwork, whatever. It will give you something to look foward too and a sense of accoplishment despite everything else.
You can do it, now go for it.VOLPIMP said:
posted on March 1, 2007 8:49 PM — 208.0.27.10 — link — abuse?
Tomcat I think the Tennessee / Cal game will be a good one for an opener. They lost key guys and we lost key guys, they will have an improved QB and hopefully ours will build on a good year last year. I'm sure they will have revenge on their minds after the game in Ktown. It probably won't be hyped as much as last year, which might make it an even better game.
So Cal Runnin' Rebels said:
posted on March 1, 2007 9:28 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Gator Hip, Tomcat, how have these stories played out? Either of you know about em; from about 2 weeks ago?
It sounds like Oklahoma might get a "secondary infraction" hit by the NCAA... and I think Spurrier got ride of that QB, right?
So Cal Clippers (posted on February 20):"NCAA: Insufficient monitoring of employment"
... Oklahoma disclosed Monday that it had received its notice of allegations from the NCAA and is scheduled to appear before the NCAA's Committee on Infractions on April 14 in Indianapolis.- msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/6468154
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So Cal Clippers (posted on February 20):"Quarterback recruit from Florida charged with drunkenness"
South Carolina recruit Stephen Garcia was arrested early Saturday... charged with drunkenness and failure to stop for a police officer. According to an incident report from the Columbia Police Department, the 19-year-old quarterback... ran away from the officer and tried to hide in an alley... When the officer caught up with him, he turned toward the officer "in a threatening manner."... The report also says Garcia was trying to zip up his pants... Garcia... was arrested.... Last year, South Carolina's starting quarterback Blake Mitchell also was charged in an incident in the same area near the campus... accused of punching a bouncer... spent [time in]jail.
... Head coach Steve Spurrier was not expected to comment about the arrest, athletic department spokesman Steve Fink said.
- usatoday.com/sports/college/football/sec/2007-02-17-scarolina-recruit-arrested_x.htm?csp=34
So Cal Runnin' Rebels said:
posted on March 1, 2007 9:49 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, is it that you have no interest/little interest in College Basketball or ...???
Ya got nothing on the Texas - Texas A&M basketball game ?! Double OT, Durant had 30 pts, 16 rebs, 3 blks... )))crickets(((...?
shee... Im amp-ed up about going to the UNLV home finale, "White Out" night (honoring the Seniors) this Saturday...
Tomcat said:
posted on March 1, 2007 10:12 PM — 69.150.48.30 — link — abuse?
#59 Volpimp Ya man that is a great early season matchup. Both teams lost some players and I applaud the AD's from both schools to match up a home & home series like this. California looked really good in the second half of their bowl game whuping the Aggies,of course every year is different. I'll take the Vols over the Bears even at Berkley.An early season game looks like a good one.
Tomcat said:
posted on March 1, 2007 10:20 PM — 69.150.48.30 — link — abuse?
Hey So-Cal you got it.I've only attended one college basketball game in my life.It was this year in Austin, Horns vs Bears I'm afraid that basketball really has more to do with the refs than the players.There are so many penalties that I cant hardley tell what the heck is going on.
They kept given the Horns free throws and I never saw a foul.Sorry man but its kinda hard to get fired up about, my opinion anyways.
The only reason that I attended was the free pair of tickets, my son is a Baylor prospect in football. Sicem-BearsSo Cal Runnin' Rebels said:
posted on March 2, 2007 7:30 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, that Tennessee - Cal Berkeley game is gonna be a big game/interesting... but you know those Miami OOC games will be extra interesting. Versus Oklahoma & aTm will be a tough test for the Miami program - to what degree have they "fallen off" ?
Tomcat said:
posted on March 2, 2007 9:51 PM — 69.150.48.30 — link — abuse?
Thank You So-Cal Yes I agree Tenn @ Cal
Every year is different and early in the season sometimes teams stuggle or tend to be "rusty"?
The Home feild advantage should help Cal and the returning players.I have to say that these kinda matchups are further and father apart with the tough conference games these type of teams face.
Miami's two early season matchups with new head coach should show the country what they are about.
Oklahoma and A&M are a little tougher than say Houston or FIU and the players know that and should be fired up. Both of these games really look entertaining and even though Miami has had some dissappointments lateley its still Miami.
Last season both Oklahoma and A&M stuggled early in the season.OU vs UO and A&M vs Army.
It all comes down to who wants it bad enough.
Can Miami's dfense stop A&M's running attack?
Will the A&M coaching staff flounder like last years games against OU and Neb?
Miami will travel to Norman Ok and they have A&M at home.Both these games look purty good.
Whats your take on TCU vs UT?
Texas is a completeley new team, alot of fresh and Sophs with little experience. TCU has been on a roll lateley and their defense is tough.
Texas has excellent talent and recruiting year after year however almost everybody from 04 and 05 are gone.The guys that went 29-1 are gone including the entire offensive line.
What do you think about V-Tech vs LSU ?
Hookem-HornsDefensive Minded Nebraskan said:
posted on March 5, 2007 6:11 AM — 75.88.65.239 — link — abuse?
Tomcat: I'm a firm believer that the more you can do with your line (TE's included, and some FB's) the more successful a team is. This being said how well do expect McCoy to do this upcoming year (has he forgotten his injury) and do you expect Texas to use the Shotgun formation more or less based on incoming and outgoing personnel? The same counter-draw/sweep combo out of the base shotgun? anyone new cracking the depth chart that i should keep an eye on? DAMN OFF-SEASON!!!
gatorhippy said:
posted on March 6, 2007 9:28 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
OK, I'm really starting to get worried about K-Hue now...
He is totally missing the schools getting the early jump on the Fulmer Cup...
South Carolina QB Stephen Garcia admitted to keying a professor's car in a parking lot weeks after being arrested for underage drinking...
Ron Zook boots Jody Ellis and Derrick McPhearson at Illinois for theft of wallets, cell phones and laptops ..
UT center Josh McNeil cited for underage drinking and public intoxication has been suspended for part of spring practice...
KEVIN DONAHUE!!! WHERE ARE YOU???
So Cal Runnin Rebels said:
posted on March 6, 2007 10:01 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
... matter-o-fact... they already have a deal for a documentary, "Out of the Blue: a Film about Life and Football" ~Coming this Fall, 2007~
idahostatesman.com/235/story/73275.html
news.boisestate.edu/newsrelease/022007/0207FilmRights.shtml
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going on a tanget here...
I hope they dont make another "Hoosiers" - the most Over-Rated Sports Movie EVER. Such horrid acting, so sappy and cliche-riddled that its a joke-of-a-movie... and with the praise it gets as being a "great movie"... its ridiculous.
"Shooter" is probably the goofiest/non-believable character in any sports movie... and Lex Luther as a baskteball coach ?!?T-Mac said:
posted on March 7, 2007 1:22 AM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Hoosiers is a Great movie. I compare it to " The Junction Boys ". They are both Great Sports movies. No Doubt. Just don't watch em 20 times in a row. Just like with all other movies. If you keep watchin em, they get old real fast!!!
BTW-Gene Hackman(Lex Luther) is a superb actor!
gatorhippy said:
posted on March 7, 2007 2:02 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Kepping myself amused in light of K-Hue's vanishing...
My ten favorite sports movies...
In no particular order...
The Longest Yard (1974)
Rocky
Brian's Song
North Dallas Forty
Rudy
Happy Gilmore
Raging Bull
Hoosiers
The Natural
Bull DurhamNot in the top ten but I still like 'em...
Eight Men Out
The rest of the Rockys (didn't see the last one yet)
Caddyshack (original)
Coach Carter
Waterboy
Any Given Sunday
The Program
Major League (original)
The Bingo Long Traveling All-Stars & Motor Kings (1976)
It Happens Every Spring (1949)
Six Pack (childhood nostalgia)
Friday Night Lights
gatorhippy said:
posted on March 7, 2007 2:12 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
SoCal, I gotta go with T-Mac here...
Hackman is an awesome actor...
Roles of note...
French Connection (Best Actor win as Popeye Doyle)
Royal Tennebaums
Unforgiven (Supporting Actor win as Wild Bill)
Mississippi Burning (Oscar Nomination)
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on March 7, 2007 8:00 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Lex Luther as Lex Luther in Superman was good acting... I dont have a problem with Hackman, maybe just bad casting for that role, but thats the Least of problem I have with that corn-ball movie.
The worst was that town-drunk who ended up Coaching - and I think he won or was nominated for an Oscar! Horrible over-acting.
Im almost certian that the actual True Story about that team in Indiana was better than the Movie depicted it. And I dont have problems with "based on a true story" sentimental type of movies; I like the movie "Rudy" (saw it for the first time recently).
- The Last Game (HS FB Documentary)
- All the Right Moves
- Rocky 1-4
...
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on March 7, 2007 9:30 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
My list of Sports Movie favorites...
- All the Right Moves (Tom Cruise)
- Remember the Titans (Denzel Washington)
- Johnny Be Good (dude from "16 Candles" roided-up)
- Rocky, Rocky II, Rocky III, Rocky IV
- Game of Death (Bruce Lee vs Kareem! come on)
- Pride of the Yankees
- Lords of Dogtown (OG skaters)
- Cinderella Man
- The Last Game (HS Football Doc)
- Hoop Dreams (HS Basketball Doc)Good/Average Sports Movies...
- The Sandlot
- Million Dollar Baby (bit over-rated; Oscar?!)
- Any Given Sunday
- He Got Game
- Friday Night Lights
- Rocky V
- The Longest Yard, Bad News Bears (1970s)
- Ali
- Miracle (just didnt seem to do justice to the real events)
- Coach Carter
- White Men Cant JumpHavent see em, but seem interesting/look good...
- Glory Road (UTEP basketball)
- We are Marshall
- Caddy Shack
- The Junction Boys (Paul Bryant at aTm)
- Gridiron Gang (football in juvy)
- Brian's Song
- Slap Shot (ice hockey, funny?... hmm)
- Raging Bull
- Invincible
- Above the Rim (2 Pac)Dont know if these qualify as "Sports" Movies, but...
- Seabiscuit is good (horse racing really a sport?)
- Teen Wolf, should I admit that I like this movie? (Teem Wolf was on the Basketball team; sports movie???)
- Nacho Libre; havent seen it, but looks funny
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on March 7, 2007 9:36 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Over-Rated Sports Movies...
- The Waterboy
- Hoosiers
- Happy Gilmore
- Karate Kid
- Major League
Havent see em/ Not sure I want to see em (Over-Rated ?)...
- Bull Durham
- Varsity Blues
- Field of Dreams
- The Natural
- Tin Cup
- Rocky BalboaIf it qualifies as a Sports Movie, "Over the Top" is one of the worst, just Horrible. An Arm Wrestling movie?! come on.
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on March 7, 2007 9:51 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Anyway, I dont wanna see this Boise State movie be over-saturated with sap, Hoosiers-style. The real-life story has enough drama on its own. To the film makers: dont over do it, keep it as close to real events as possible, and dont be condescending.
T-Mac said:
posted on March 8, 2007 12:08 AM — 66.78.164.162 — link — abuse?
So Cal, you say you haven't seen the Junction Boys. Have you been living under a rock for the last 2-3 years??? ESPN plays this movie about every 5-6 months for about 3-4 days in a row. In your post 76 you have a few movies listed as Over-rated sports movies. They are ...
The Waterboy
Hoosiers
Happy Gilmore
Karate Kid
Major LeagueFirst and foremost, I would classify 3 of these movies as Kid/Comedy Movies and definetely NOT Sports movies. These 3 are The Waterboy, Happy Gilmore, and Major League. The other 2 movies being Hoosiers and the Karate Kid are VERY good movies. These 2 movies are Classics. They are NOT Over-rated by any means at all! Don't link great movies like Hoosiers and Karate Kid in with the likes of kid-friendly comedy Adam Sandler movies.
T-Mac said:
posted on March 8, 2007 12:23 AM — 66.78.164.162 — link — abuse?
So Cal and everybody else, A Great sports movie is " Radio ". Cuba Gooding Jr and Ed Harris star in this one of a kind movie! Absolutely great movie.
I also really liked all the right moves when I saw it too. Tom Cruise as the lead actor from a poor steel mill town. Chris Penn played in this as well if I'm not mistaken. Craig T Nelson was the Coach right? Classic, classic, sports movie! A must see. Very good movie!!!
The Mayor said:
posted on March 8, 2007 6:12 PM — 24.7.49.173 — link — abuse?
T-Mac, So Cal, Gator Hippy et al:
I hope Kevin is ok...? Anyone heard from him?
My favorite sports movies: "Without Limits" about Steve Prefontaine and "Running Brave" about Billy Mills.
I also like "Footloose" the amazing story of Ren McCormack.
So Cal Movie Critic said:
posted on March 8, 2007 9:46 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Footloose !!!? ... to go along with my Teen Wolf pick, huh?
The Mayor, I dont know if you're being serious or not, but "Footloose"?... thats funny either way.
... havent see Prefontaine, havent see Radio...
TMac, "All the Right Moves" -- now thats a movie that should get the kind of adulation/critical acclaim that Hoosier gets as being a 'great' sports movie. Its right up there with Rocky.Also, thats the thing with the kid/comedy sports movies -- theyre Over-Rated Because people put them on their 'favorite sports movies' list, when they really dont belong there, like you say (See: Gatorhippy's list). But see, if kid/comedies cant be 'classified' as sports movies then what do you do about Caddy Shack & Slap Shot (I hear they're classic sports comedies)... or The Sandlot, Bad News Bears (childhood nostalgic movies)... or Karate Kid for that matter; Karate K-i-d. See the trouble there?
Its not like I'm talking about "The Mighty Ducks" or "Angles in the Outfield" which are truely Kid-Movies that just happen to be about sports. Those movies dont show-up on people's "greatest sports movie" lists like the ones I did mention do.
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on March 8, 2007 10:00 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Texas already has 15 verbal commits?!
... I honestly thought USC might have gotten the jump on Texas in 'early recruiting' this season cause I just read USC got its 6th verbal commit (3/8/07) of the 2008 class. But, no. Texas was already up to 11 about a month ago!T-Mac said:
posted on March 8, 2007 10:35 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
I agree completely on All the Right Moves. That is one of the best. This movie looks like it was shot on a shoe-string budget and yet it comes across so realistic. It is a great movie.
Mayor, my roommate has "Footloose" the Legend of Ren McCormack on dvd. It's a good watch.
So Cal, bro you gotta see "Junction Boys". Go rent the dvd or something. You have to see it. It is that good. Oh yes, it's that damn good!
gatorhippy said:
posted on March 9, 2007 3:09 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
I don't know what version of Happy Gilmore and Major League you guys have been watching but neither should be considered a "kid's movie"...
Happy Gilmore is rated PG-13 for language and comical sexual innuendo...
Major League is rated R for nudity, language and adult situations...
Neither of these is a wise choice to be shown to children without editing for television or parental supervision...
And since when does comedy keep a movie from being designated as a sports movie...
SoCal, I see Slapshot on you list, which is pure comedy...
I guess what I'm getting at is what qualifies the actual definition of a "sports" movie...
Or is that really purely personal opinion...
From my stand point, sports movies are truly more focus on the contest and participation within rather than a character participating in sports...
Hence, I would say All The Right Moves is a Coming of age Story about a HS football player and his personal struggles rather than a sports movie...
While Major League, even though it's a comedy, is a sports movie because the focus is on the sport of baseball...
Of course, my list as well as any of yours would be purely based on personal preferences rather than any cold hard definitive universal judgement scale...
Basically, to each his own...
gatorhippy said:
posted on March 9, 2007 5:10 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
BTW...
The horrible over acting by the guy playing the town drunk who ends up coaching...
None other than...
Dennis Hopper...
Whom was nominated for the Best Supporting Actor for his role as Shooter in Hoosiers...
Along with Tom Berenger and Willem Dafoe for their roles in the Best Picture that year; Platoon...
Pretty strong company considering the movie Hoosiers and Hopper were up against...
Guess the Academy didn't agree on the overacting, SoCal...
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on March 9, 2007 8:44 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Wait, are you people talking about Kevin Bacon's "Footloose" - where a town bans dancing, and unintentional comedy ensues ?!
Or is there another Footloose movie that I dont know about?About Major League, Happy Gilmore, [The Waterboy] thats what I was getting at... and your list, Gatorhip, is an example for my point. They are considered "Sports movies" for the most part... and too often they're listed as "Great" sports movies. THAT is why I say theyre overrated; they're not bad movies necessarily (mediocre/above average) but no where near "Rocky", "All the Right Moves", "Hoop Dreams", etc. I still say Hoosiers is in a league of its own - that movie is below mediocre and gets insane amount of praise. I think people just feel that they have to mention Hoosiers, its become something you Have To say you like (kind of like Eminem in the world of hip-hop; ~yeah, that guy is so prolific~).
"Shakespeare in Love" won the Oscar in 1998... "Saving Private Ryan" didnt, thats all I have to say about that.
T-Mac said:
posted on March 9, 2007 9:08 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Yeah So Cal, "Footloose" the Legend of Ren McCormack. Kinda like, "Anchorman" the Legend of Ron Burgundy. I know you've heard of that one. Stay Classy San Diego. Me and the Mayor were kinda being funny, but yes that's the one.
T-Mac said:
posted on March 9, 2007 9:31 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
I think the big picture here is Adult sports movies versus kid/children sports movies. For instance, The "Mighty Ducks" starring Emilio Estevez about ice hockey would mos def fall into the Kid/Children Sports movie section. Where as a movie called "Youngblood" starring Rob Lowe and Patrick Swayze about ice hockey would mos def fall into the Adult Sports movie section. In my opinion these Adam Sandler and other kid/children sports movies shouldn't really be mentioned when classifying great sports movies. Even if it means leaving out movies such as Karate Kid. I mean, let's face it. You and your boys are going to rent a sports dvd because you all don't have dates and are losers. Alright, do you pick up a movie such as, Rocky, Rudy, Remember the Titans, The Program or do you grab a movie such as, Happy Gilmore, Waterboy, The Mighty Ducks, or The Sandlot? There is a huge difference here in what say 27 year olds would watch and what 8 year olds would watch. It's not rocket science.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 10, 2007 9:25 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
I'm 27 now......... Man, I used to love The Sandlot. The only part that I didn't really like was the fact that the director focused way too much time on the retrieval of the baseball. Other than that....it was a pretty good film.
My all time fav is definitely...... *61*. I know it doesn't even make a-lot critics lists..... but to me.... it was brilliant and factual.So Cal RUNNIN REBELS said:
posted on March 11, 2007 8:44 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Oh yeah, 61* is a good one too. I might have mentioned it if not for Billy Crystal being involved - it must be subconscious - there's a personal bias there (Worst part of being a Clippers fan is having that guy being a representative 'celebrity fan' of the Clips).
TMac, I think you agree with most of my 'over-rated' sports movies then... cause there are pleanty of people that DO list those kind of movies among their favorite/best sports movies.
Okay, if not "Hoosiers", then what sports movie(s) is/are over-rated or overly praised by the general public, or what have you?
And if not over-rated, is there a more "Sappy" sports movie than that?
Junction Boys is one of those movies that you've seen pieces of, but never the whole thing at once - so I havent really watched itThe Mayor said:
posted on March 12, 2007 9:06 PM — 24.7.49.173 — link — abuse?
Thanks T-Mac...I was definitely joking about Footloose...although I did go see Kenny Loggins in concert in Lake Tahoe last month by my own free will.
So Cal Movie critic...please skip the movie "Prefontaine" it's horrible. Two movies came out the same year about Pre, the one previously mentioned was filmed in Canada in a documentary style. "Without Limits" was filmed in Eugene and produced by that whack job Tom Cruise and is much better.
Speaking of whack jobs, how about Top Gun as best sports movie. Playing volleyball in your jeans and boots, in the sand no less? Then going over to some lesbians house, all sweated up and sandy and asking to use her shower? Come on, now that's a sports movie!!!
Tomcat said:
posted on March 13, 2007 5:27 PM — 68.94.174.59 — link — abuse?
Okay Guys Sports Movies
In no particular order
Hard Times Charles Bronson Street fighting
The Champion Kirk Douglas Boxing
The Old Man and the Sea Fishing
On any Sunday Steve McQueen Motorcycling
Rudy
Brians Song
Friday Night Lights Billy Bob Thorton
Longest Yard Burt Reynolds
Riding Giants Surfing
Jim Thorp Burt Lancaster
Glory Road
Pride of the Yankees
The Natural
Eight Men Out
The Hustler Paul Newman Pool
Invinceable good movie simular to Rudy kinda
Radio sad, good story
Tin Cup Awesome music Los Texas Tornados
Cinderella Man Great Film
CandyShack & Nacho Libre two must see films
The Number One all Time greatest Sports Movie Live The Dream
Staring The 2005 Texas Longhorns great Film
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on March 13, 2007 8:25 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
"The Old Man and the Sea" for Fishing... Ha! thats a good one, probably the biggest stretch for being a 'sports movie'. What about another Paul Newman movie, "Hud", in the sport of Competative Eating. "Spellbound" was a great docu-drama about the sport of Spelling-Bee contests too. If those are Sports, then where does Rodeo-ing movies fit in - "Brokeback Moutain"... ??? "Deliverance", Hunting... ???
I just saw "Glory Road"... not great, not bad. Its an interesting story but the actual Movie itself was Not that good. Id say its almost 'forgetable'. "Remember the Titans" was much better; similar theme.
"Riding Giants"-surfing, thats that documentary right? Them dudes are bad-ass, but you gotta be a bit crazy to do that.
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on March 13, 2007 8:32 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Tomcat
TMac
The Mayor
GatorhippyHonestly, how/what/why is Hoosiers such a ~Great~ sports movie ??? (besides everyone else saying it is)... Name a one or two Sports Movies that you think are Bad/Not Good, that other people seem to like/think their great.
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on March 13, 2007 8:47 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Anyone putting together a Bracket - NCAA Basketball ?
Toughest bracket to get through is the Bottom Half of the Mid-West; that is, in the sense that its the most difficult to pick with Wiscy, Oregon, NotreD, UNLV, GTech, Winthrop all having a legit shot at reaching the Elite 8.
The *easiest Road to the Elite 8 is either the Bottom half of the East (easy for #2 Geo'town) or the Top half of the West (easy for #1 *Kansas).*this is all in theory, of course.
T-Mac said:
posted on March 14, 2007 12:28 AM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
There is no need to "mock" someones pick for being a good movie. Case in point, "The Old Man and the Sea". A movie about fishing. I have never seen this movie, but I respect the fact that Tomcat likes it. There is no right or wrong issue here with Sports movies. Fishing is a sport So Cal. Growing up in the inner-city of Atlanta I didn't get a chance to fish, but I have fished a few times as an adult. I love it. It is very relaxing. Don't sh*t on Tomcat's pick of one of his favorite movies. That is outright disrespectful and adds nothing to the dialogue. You mention Rodeo movies. You specifically mention "Brokeback Mountain". I don't know anything about gay cowboys. I haven't seen this movie, nor will I. I guess you have seen it being as how you commented on it. I will inform you of a movie about the Rodeo though. It came out sometime in the early 1990's. It is called" 8 Seconds". It starred Luke Perry who played on the Beverly Hills 90210 TV show. I saw it a couple years ago and thought it was pretty good. The star Luke Perry who played the character "Lane Frost" actually died while riding a Beast of a Bull. He got thrown off and took a horn in his lower back. Those bull riders are some tough motherfugkers!!! The movie " 8 Seconds " is based on a true story. You should check it out and quit watching " Brokeback Mountain ". T-Mac droppin skills on the Rodeo
Tomcat said:
posted on March 1
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 3, 2006 4:26 PM — 216.46.210.198 — link — abuse?AWESOME!