December 2, 2007
2007-2008 College Football Bowl Schedule
The complete college football bowl game schedule for the 2007-2008 college football season.| Bowl Game | Date/Time (ET) | Site | Matchup | Network |
| Poinsettia | Dec. 20/9 p.m. | San Diego | Utah vs. Navy | ESPN |
| New Orleans | Dec. 21/8 p.m. | New Orleans | Florida Atlantic vs. Memphis | ESPN2 |
| PapaJohn's.com | Dec. 22/11 a.m. | Birmingham, Ala. | Cincinnati vs. Southern Miss | ESPN2 |
| New Mexico | Dec. 22/4:30 p.m. | Albuquerque, N.M. | Nevada vs. New Mexico | ESPN |
| Las Vegas | Dec. 22/8 p.m. | Las Vegas | BYU vs. UCLA | ESPN |
| Hawaii | Dec. 23/8 p.m. | Honolulu | East Carolina vs. Boise State | ESPN |
| Motor City | Dec. 26/7:30 p.m. | Detroit | Purdue vs. Central Michigan | ESPN |
| Holiday | Dec. 27/8 p.m. | San Diego | Texas vs. Arizona State | ESPN |
| Texas | Dec. 28/8 p.m. | Houston | TCU vs. Houston | NFL |
| Champs Sports | Dec. 28/5 p.m. | Orlando, Fla. | Boston College vs. Michigan State | ESPN |
| Emerald | Dec. 28/8:30 p.m. | San Francisco | Maryland vs. Oregon State | ESPN |
| Meinke Car Care | Dec. 29/11 a.m. | Charlotte, N.C. | Wake Forest vs. UConn | ESPN |
| Liberty | Dec. 29/4:30 p.m. | Memphis, Tenn. | Central Florida vs. Mississippi State | ESPN |
| Alamo | Dec. 29/8 p.m. | San Antonio | Penn State vs. Texas A&M | ESPN |
| Independence | Dec. 30/8 p.m. | Shreveport | Colorado vs. Alabama | ESPN |
| Armed Forces | Dec. 31/10:30 a.m. | Fort Worth, Texas | Air Force vs. Cal | ESPN |
| Sun | Dec. 31/2 p.m. | El Paso, Texas | South Florida vs. Oregon | CBS |
| Humanitarian | Dec. 31/2 p.m. | Boise, Idaho | Georgia Tech vs. Fresno State | ESPN2 |
| Music City | Dec. 31/4 p.m. | Nashville, Tenn. | Florida State vs. Kentucky | ESPN |
| Chick-fil-A | Dec. 31/7:30 p.m. | Atlanta | Clemson vs. Auburn | ESPN |
| Insight | Dec. 31/5:30 p.m. | Tempe, Ariz. | Indiana vs. Oklahoma State | NFL |
| Outback | Jan. 1/11 a.m. | Tampa, Fla. | Wisconsin vs. Tennessee | ESPN |
| Cotton | Jan. 1/11:30 a.m. | Dallas | Missouri vs. Arkansas | FOX |
| Gator | Jan. 1/11 a.m. | Jacksonville, Fla. | Virginia vs. Texas Tech | CBS |
| Capital One | Jan. 1/11 a.m. | Orlando, Fla. | Michigan vs. Florida | ABC |
| Rose | Jan. 1/4:30 p.m. | Pasadena, Calif. | USC vs. Illinois | ABC |
| Sugar | Jan. 1/8:30 p.m. | New Orleans | Georgia vs. Hawaii | FOX |
| Fiesta | Jan. 2/8 p.m. | Phoenix | Oklahoma vs. West Virginia | FOX |
| Orange | Jan. 3/8 p.m. | Miami | Virginia Tech vs. Kansas | FOX |
| International | Jan. 5/10 a.m. | Toronto | Rutgers vs. Ball State | ESPN2 |
| GMAC | Jan. 6/8 p.m. | Mobile, Ala. | Tulsa vs. Bowling Green | ESPN |
| BCS Title | Jan. 7/8 p.m. | New Orleans | Ohio State vs. LSU | FOX |
Comments:
Hotty Toddy said:
posted on December 2, 2007 8:26 PM — 75.105.128.57 — link — abuse?
I believe Hawaii and Ohio St. just signed their death warrants against the two best teams in the SEC (in my opinion). But hey, of course i'm biased.
Wonder if Buckeyes fans will use the "51 days since..." excuse again, if LSU wins.
Just an observation.
posted on December 2, 2007 8:33 PM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue
said:
@Autigerman - I kinda have a problem with the Kansas pick too, but I can live with it. I'm particularly glad that KU got the Orange, though, with its traditional Big 8 tie-in.
@Hotty Toddy - Truer words were never spoken on those SEC teams. And the Zookers - they've got their work cut out for them. USC looks like a hornets nest right now.
Autigerman said:
posted on December 2, 2007 8:43 PM — 68.109.98.15 — link — abuse?
I always thought you had to be a top twelve team to qualify. Guess not.
I really wanted to see Illinois play Florida in the capital one bowl.Wanted to see Oklahoma play USC and Georgia play VT.
However if somehow Hawaii could pull off the upset of Georgia i think they should jump over everyone and win the title.
GA Boy said:
posted on December 2, 2007 8:49 PM — 97.89.26.241 — link — abuse?
Just like I said last night. I knew when WVA and Mizzou lost that we would end up playing Hawaii. Sorry as Pac 10 Washington can't hold onto a 21 point lead and take Hawaii out of the picture. Unbelievable. Good lord Willingham get a defense.
GO DAWGS
GA Boy said:
posted on December 2, 2007 8:57 PM — 97.89.26.241 — link — abuse?
1st and Nole
You are correct, but don't worry about it. We won't lose. The boys are crazy this year. Richt will come up with something to have them so fired up that they will look like crazed maniacs on that Superdome turf.GO DAWGS
GatorMatt
posted on December 2, 2007 9:31 PM — 70.171.18.91 — link — abuse? said:
This is unreal. My opinions
1. It's laughable that OSU is back in the title game. I understand their record, but in all honesty, who did they beat that was worth a sh*t? Akron? Kent State? Youngstown State? Minnesota (1-11)? I predict the same outcome as last year, and like someone put above me, we'll probably hear the same "51 day layover" excuse
2. I'm sick of the Rose Bowl trying to stick with tradition. Does anyone really think Illinois deserves to be there? I understand no more than 2 conference teams can play in a BCS game, but why not send Arizona State to the Fiesta Bowl and West Va to the Rose? Jim Delaney needs to step down off of his high horse and get with the times
3. As much as it pains me to say it, I would love to see Hawaii just destroy UGA for the sheer fact that I think that would push for a playoff. Couple that with OSU getting dismantled, and I think there could be enough ruckus to possibly do a +1 system.
4. I don't think Michigan deserves to play Florida. You don't lose to a 1AA team and then get to play the 9th or 12th ranked team, depending on which ranking you look at. I'm sorry, but I don't agree with that
5. I'd love to see the Coaches Trophy stay in the SEC. It doesn't belong anywhere else
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 2, 2007 9:38 PM — 216.46.210.230 — link — abuse?
GATORHIPPY!!!!!!! I am sooooo excited!!!!!! We can finally feel the power of Superman himself!!!!!! We will wear Tebow's cleat marks across our helmet's with pride!!!!
Tim Tebow.......Percy Harvin.......Urban Meyer..........(sigh)......A hush will fall over the Michigan crowd as they walk into the Citrus bowl..........and we will finally be playing on the same field as THE FLORIDA GATOR'S..............................were going to get crushed...................but Florida will have some respect for Mike Hart after they finish playing against him..........
Go Blue
posted on December 2, 2007 9:39 PM — link — abuse? said:
@GatorMatt - The word on the street is that LSU's inclusion really locked the Rose Bowl. The Rose Bowl committee openly spoke about bringing Georgia to the west coast. Once LSU was in, however, the Sugar needed to take UGA to guarantee the sellout.
GatorMatt
posted on December 2, 2007 9:46 PM — 70.171.18.91 — link — abuse? said:
#24,
Just wondering if Delaney is on that committee? He must not be if the mere thought of a non Big 2 team playing in the Rose even came up. I do like Ron Zook, but not as Florida's coach. I would like to see him bring down the "All Mighty" USC, but I don't think it will happen. Unlike Tressel, I think Carroll can prepare for a spread offense. I would like to see some competitive BCS games, and I think 2, maybe even 3 out of the 5 will be complete disasters. I say do away with the 2 team maximum BCS format
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 2, 2007 9:52 PM — 216.46.210.230 — link — abuse?
GatorMatt,......maybe we can have nice restrooms and drinking fountains for you Gator fans.......and maybe a water hose and outhouse behind the satdium for the Michigan fans...........and just remember.....we are the team that lost to Appalachian State............I would have thought during a year like this, no fan would ever say any D-1 team is not worthy of another.
indieguy06 said:
posted on December 2, 2007 9:54 PM — 69.111.12.202 — link — abuse?
I couldn't be more dissapointed with these matchups. USC vs. Illi, wtf!? Wow really have nothing to look forward to. Looking forward to the Texas, Arizona State game more than the rose, orange and sugar combined. I hope OSU makes it interesting against LSU. BCS SUCKS, period. . . Illinois GTFO of here. . . .
Fight On!
hrposon said:
posted on December 2, 2007 9:59 PM — 98.200.123.115 — link — abuse?
@22 GatorMatt - The purpose of the BCS is to put the Pac 10 and the Big 10 into their special ABC/ESPN bowl, the Rose.
Now for the more corrupt part, how to get 1 more PAC 10 and Big 10 team each into another big money BCS bowl no matter how bad they are. West Virginia is in the wrong conference...
posted on December 2, 2007 10:02 PM — 63.168.219.206 — link — abuse? said:
These Georgia fans are sounding alot like the Oklahoma fans from last year.
I am going to stick with my Road to a split championship.
1) LSU over Ohio State
2) Hawaii over UGA
3) VT over Kansas
4) AP voters screw LSU and the BCSA season like this one deserves a split championship.
OU-Ron
posted on December 2, 2007 10:12 PM — 72.198.24.199 — link — abuse? said:
Where's Zac, we talked about a Oklahoma-WVU match up several weeks ago..looking forward to the matchup..Congrats to LSU and Ohio St for outlasting everyone else, just think, if we had one more week of games, there would be someone else in the NCG
T-Mac
posted on December 2, 2007 10:43 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse? said:
Ben, 30. You honestly think that Hawaii will beat Georgia?
The last time Hawaii played an SEC team(Alabama) they had the #1 scoring offense and all the sic stats on offense.
2005. Alabama-25 Hawaii-17
Brennan will be getting sack sandwiches all game long.
T-Mac will not predict a score on this game.
Georgia wins this game Ben.
*T-Mac approved this message.
Geauxtigers0107 said:
posted on December 2, 2007 10:48 PM — 144.5.224.142 — link — abuse?
Ditto on the "Georgia to the Rose Bowl" comment. That would be a sweet ass game. But they'll have the Dome lo-o-o-oade-e-e-e-ed!!!!! That should be a disaster for Hawaii. By no means what-so-f'ing-ever does LSU deserve the #1 ranking, but damn... #2 teams in the country this year have caught hell. It appears from the posts above that some think LSU will blow out tOSU, but I don't buy into that. They'll have redemption on their mind bigtime. Good luck to all 9!!!!! SEC teams in their bowl games this year. I'd be happy with 7 wins for the SEC but looking at the games, I'll go with 6-3 record (fingers crossed). Florida v. Mich should be a good one to watch, IMO. But home field should play a big part. Can the Maize and Blue travel into south Fla and pull out the win? Time will tell. Of course, I gotta pull for the SEC and pick Florida. Hopefully all the teams come in healthy after their layoffs and put their best team forward.
Aside from the Title Game (of course), I don't like any of the matchups in the BCS games. The fans want to see the powerhouses play each other. But with all the upsets this year, that is impossible. An 8 team playoff would be great. Home field goes to higher ranked team. And if the sponsors want to throw money at the games to retain the Bowls, by all means do so. That's the only way we'll ever KNOW who the best team in the country is.
Geaux SEC
Geaux Tigersbuckforlife said:
posted on December 2, 2007 10:53 PM — 24.10.179.194 — link — abuse?
gatormatt, you have a pretty big mouth for finishing third in the SEC. It's not Ohio State's fault that they beat everyone they are supposed to...oh yea except for that once. Why don't you go make out with Mark May or something
VTBobb
posted on December 2, 2007 11:03 PM — 70.17.10.81 — link — abuse? said:
I'm not saying LSU doesn't deserve to go. They did kick VT's butt (all be it early in the season with VT having to play third string O line), but are a 21-14 win over Tennesses or a 24-7 win over UCLA so much more impressive than a 33-21 win over BC that LSU and USC should jump 3 and 4 spots respectively while VT only moves up 1 spot in the Harris poll? That poll just lost some legitimacy in my view.
buckforlife said:
posted on December 2, 2007 11:09 PM — 24.10.179.194 — link — abuse?
doesn't anyone feel like Oklahoma got screwed in this whole thing. They had a 2 loss record just like LSU and they won their conference championship just like LSU and they beat the #1 ranked team to do it. If we are throwing out the rankings, which apparently the geniuses of the BCS are, then why can't Oklahoma jump up 7 spots to lose to Ohio State in the title game?
GatorMatt
posted on December 2, 2007 11:17 PM — 24.250.179.109 — link — abuse? said:
#39,
I would hope they were supposed to beat the teams that they did. I'm pretty sure a few high school teams could give teams such as Kent State a run for their money. I'm not gonna go off like the OSU fans did last year about a prediction for the game, b/c we all know how that worked out. There wasn't a peep out of Columbus for quite some time. However, with the 57th ranked toughest schedule vs. the 2nd, I don't forsee a good outcome. And as for Mark May? That guy is the biggest anti-SEC commentator I've ever seen. He only praises Tebow because let's face it, he has no choice. I'm crossing my fingers that the game outcome is the same as last year, and OSU will be banned from taking a more deserving teams spot in the championship game
Geauxtigers0107 said:
posted on December 2, 2007 11:23 PM — 144.5.224.142 — link — abuse?
For fans of a playoff, THIS IS A MUST READ:
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=dw-playoff112707&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
It was written back in late November, which reflects the rankings at that time.
@buckforlife:
While I think Oklahoma is as good as anybody right now, they were just too far behind LSU in BCS rankings to overtake them. Had LSU lost, Oklahoma would've got selected I think.Mizzou is the team that got anally plunged this year. I feel for those guys.
Geaux SEC
Geaux TigersZMANSTAN said:
posted on December 2, 2007 11:35 PM — 76.190.10.125 — link — abuse?
How soon we forget...in 2002 OSU didn't have a chance against the unbeatable Miami Hurricanes, OSU 13 point underdog....oops. Boise State last year didn't have a chance against OK, no one told them! .....oops! Stanford beating an unbeatable USC team this year even with their injuries....oops! The list goes on and on, this is what makes college football great. So when you over-confident posters are trashing other teams and leagues, I would be very careful. This year the underdog role sounds pretty darn good to me. Go OSU....2 starting seniors!
buckforlife said:
posted on December 2, 2007 11:42 PM — 24.10.179.194 — link — abuse?
We can both take the high road on a prediction for the game. I have a lot of respect for LSU. But yea I am still a little salty about last years title game and I think my head is going to explode because I might actually root for Michigan over Florida. Who can't I stand more...mike hart or tim tebow...Hmm that's tough
Pats 19 and 0 said:
posted on December 2, 2007 11:43 PM — 76.88.119.41 — link — abuse?
VT fans are rediculous. Beating BC at #10 vice Tennessee at #14 is no more a feat for VT than LSU, especially since these rankings are totally objective. Who did VT beat that was really good? Clemson? UVA? BC? Give me a break. All overrated ACC teams. Go lose to Kansas.
My surprise game: Mich over Florida
mcablarda said:
posted on December 3, 2007 1:02 AM — 12.217.242.125 — link — abuse?
1st and nole if you knew the rose bowl its usually between the big 10 champs and the pac 10 champs. since ohio st. is playing in the national championship game they gave it to illinois who was second in the big ten and raked 17th. besides they beat ohio st. they should be able to give usc a game.
Regan said:
posted on December 3, 2007 2:59 AM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Geauxtigers0107 (#44):
I've got one too, along with several arguments already saved to disk to copy-and-paste every single December when Playoff Junkies start trying to contaminate my beloved College Football.
http://www.sportingnews.com/experts/matt-hayes/20050214.html
No finger pointing, I just love getting overly dramatic when it comes to this subject. :-)It was written in 2005, a year after an undefeated SEC champ got left out of the Title Game, so it still has a fist full of relevance.
I'm for a "Plus-One Contingent on Basis of Need". Based on the final records, this would match up Ohio State and Hawaii for the NC Game.
posted on December 3, 2007 6:39 AM — link — abuse? said:
Just for clarification, the "plus one" that has been discussed by the BCS would be a four or five team play-in format, with each team seeded over the course of the games. The winners of the brackets would meet in the national championship.
If Mike Slive's format were in place this year, it is impossible to predict who would play for the NC, but the games would be seeded as per BCS standings...
Ohio State vs Oklahoma
LSU vs Va Tech... and then the 2 winners for the NC.
The one caveat would be that it would be difficult to forecast what the BCS standings may have been were this format in place. Some teams made unusual moves in the polls this weekend, so the top four may/may not have been the top four, if that makes sense.
Seminole Jack said:
posted on December 3, 2007 8:20 AM — 66.147.117.53 — link — abuse?
#40
Are you kidding me VTBobb?
You lost to LSU by 41 POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I do not think that it should matter if you were playing back ups in the game or if it was week 2. The NFL or any other league in the world does not pick their playoff teams based upon who is playing the best at the end of the season.
Typical Virginia Tech Delusion. Trust me I know my whole family went there.
posted on December 3, 2007 8:24 AM — 63.168.219.206 — link — abuse? said:
#37) I didn't think Hawaii would beat Fresno State, then they did.
I didn't think Hawaii would beat Boise State, then they did.
I didn't think Hawaii could come back from 21-0 against Washington, then they made it look like they had spotted them 21 to win with style points.
On the other side, I didn't think Georgia would lose to South Carolina, then they did.
I didn't think Georgia would lose to Tennessee, then they did.
Hawaii has proven to me that they can win, even when I think they shouldn't, and Georgia has demonstrated the opposite.
The Georgia coach just looks to smug about Hawaii for me to believe they are taking Hawaii seriously.
posted on December 3, 2007 8:25 AM — link — abuse? said:
@VTBobb - To use a Wall Street term, this week's poll is a "course correction". I think this week's poll is based on each team's body of work throughout the season, whereas the other polls have really been a week-to-week snapshot. (Or at least that's my impression)
That's that only rationale that explains so many teams moving without playing, while other idle teams stayed flat.
posted on December 3, 2007 8:41 AM — 63.168.219.206 — link — abuse? said:
#57) What about the possibility that, especially in the Coaches Poll, the pollsters don't really take time to break down each game, and only really focus on the last one that matters?
Anyone else notice that the computers have VT as the #1 team in the country, over LSU and Ohio State?
VTBobb
posted on December 3, 2007 9:10 AM — 74.1.112.66 — link — abuse? said:
@Kevin - That's my impression as well.
#47 & #55 - I never said LSU didn't deserve it, just that VT had an argument, AND the pollsters, obviously thought they were wrong last week.
The reason the computers have VT #1 is because Tevh lost to 2 RANKED teams, and margin of victory has been mostly nullified in the computations.
Foiled said:
posted on December 3, 2007 9:37 AM — 75.35.30.112 — link — abuse?
Well there you have it, LSU with yet another big game they get to play at home. If you took the unbelievable luck factor out of their last 3 years you would have the real LSU and not the one that's unfortunately going to play for the title in LA again. For any of you Ohio State fans reading this, be warned, LSU fans are dirt and they are going to make your experience in New Orleans miserable. Prepare to be spit on and have fights started pretty much nonstop. Oh and if they win? Don't even bother going to Bourbon Street. For your own safety you'll be better off going straight from the stadium to the airport.
jonsey said:
posted on December 3, 2007 9:39 AM — 167.197.127.130 — link — abuse?
USC vs. Illinois???
GA vs. Hawaii???
if you would have told me that these teams would be in a bowl game facing each other at the start of the season, i would have LMAO. but- wow, what a crazy and stupid season, please just get it over with. im ready for next year. GA prolly winning the SEC against my team Alabama in the SEC championship and then going on to win the NC.can't wait....
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 3, 2007 10:35 AM — 216.46.213.88 — link — abuse?
Look's like Orlando is going to get a full dose of Michigan football with Michigan state playing Boston college on the 28th and Michigan playing Florida on the 1st......
Boston College is going to be favored over Mich state but state will do better than some might expect.......Mich state lost by 7 to Ohio State, a game played at Ohio State.....lost by 3 to Wisconsin.....lost by 4 to Michigan.....and the other two losses were in OT.......Michigan State might pull the upset.
Michigan................well, all M GO BLUE can say is Lloyd Carr is getting one more chance to show us that he knows how to stop a spread offense..............he has not changed in 13 years...........i see the chances as slim.
go spartans
AND GO BLUE
Spartacus
posted on December 3, 2007 10:47 AM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
M GO BLUE:
Just another way to pave the way for the SEC to look good. I have Florida as the 2nd best team in the country - actually. This is a very good Florida team. So what do they do? They put them in against the worst Michigan team in a few years. Oh, all the SEC'ers will think it's a special win. It's the same thing they did when they threw Notre Dame to LSU last year. This whole BCS thing is quite the joke. I agree that Michigan State will probably pound on Boston College. BC will not be able to stop that running game.
Tommie Trojan
fuklsulesmilesandthemedia said:
posted on December 3, 2007 11:05 AM — 65.65.49.226 — link — abuse?
What a fking joke, and outright farse the bcs is!!!! the media has wanted lsu in the championship all year, and they were highly discouraged when they(lsu)got beat in thier own backyard to arkansas!!! well the media got thier way!!! if i were kansas, oklahoma or hawaii i would stay home and snub the very biased media, and the bcs comittie!!!! STAY HOME HAWAII, OKLAHOMA, AND KANSAS AS ALL THREE OF YOU DESERVE TO BE IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME OVER THE MEDIA FED lsu squad that looses at home to unranked arkansas!
VTBobb
posted on December 3, 2007 1:56 PM — 74.1.112.66 — link — abuse? said:
I know the stated goal of the BCS is to match the #1 and #2 team sin the country and therefore crown an "undisputed" national champion, but wouldn't it be nice to see some interesting BCS bowls? It may have only limited appekl out of the region, but a VT-MVU match up in th eOrange Bowl would probably sell out in an hour!
And where is Diggs. I guess the "killer Peeps" unifroms are only good for 1 win.
badgerballer
posted on December 3, 2007 1:59 PM — 70.59.192.105 — link — abuse? said:
@ #67Can't say that I completely disagree with your sentiment, but the aggression is mis-placed. Of course there's no hope of any of those teams choosing to "stay home" in protest of a corrupt (at best), flawed (at least) system. The pay days for those schools and conferences are way too large for that possibility to even register a blip on the radar.
No, the real angle here is to put your/our money where our mouths are and not tune into these games - especially the title game. At the end of the day, we - the faceless fans - are the ones to blame and/or to hold the system accountable. When and if ratings for the game plummet into the toilet, the system will change. But come Jan. 7th, when 20 million (or whatever) record-setting households tune in, and Fox gets their $1.6 million (or whatever) per 45-second commercial spot, the powers who have the ability to affect real change will just smile and say, 'what a great system'.
You want to see things legitimized, then don't tune in, don't watch, and tell everyone you know - along with those you don't - not to either.
lisa said:
posted on December 3, 2007 2:58 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
SOMEONE HELP!!
does anyYone know of an official ranking of the importance of the bowls? i always thought it went by the play date. closest to the championship game led to importance. is this right? so it would be (after the championship game) #2 orange bowl, #3 fiesta bowl, #4 sugar bowl and #5 rose bowl. is that correct? and if so, does anyone know where i can find an "official" statement of such? please help! i have a bet riding on this!lisa said:
posted on December 3, 2007 2:58 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
SOMEONE HELP! PLEASE!
does anyone know of an official ranking of the importance of the bowls? i always thought it went by the play date. closest to the championship game led to importance. is this right? so it would be (after the championship game) #2 orange bowl, #3 fiesta bowl, #4 sugar bowl and #5 rose bowl. is that correct? and if so, does anyone know where i can find an "official" statement of such? please help! i have a bet riding on this! thanks.lisa said:
posted on December 3, 2007 3:01 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
SOMEONE HELP! PLEASE!
does anyone know of an official ranking of the importance of the bowls? i always thought it went by the play date. closest to the championship game led to importance. is this right? so it would be (after the championship game) #2 orange bowl, #3 fiesta bowl, #4 sugar bowl and #5 rose bowl. is that correct? and if so, does anyone know where i can find an "official" statement of such? please help! i have a bet riding on this! thanks.lisa said:
posted on December 3, 2007 3:03 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
SOMEONE HELP!! PLEASE!
does ANYone know of an official ranking of the importance of the bowls? i always thought it went by the play date. closest to the championship game led to importance. is this right? so it would be (after the championship game) #2 orange bowl, #3 fiesta bowl, #4 sugar bowl and #5 rose bowl. is that correct? and if so, does anyone know where i can find an "official" statement of such? please help! i have a bet riding on this!M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 3, 2007 3:17 PM — 216.46.210.140 — link — abuse?
If there is a working tv around, M GO BLUE is going to watch EVERY BCS GAME!!!
M GO BLUE IS ALSO GOING TO WATCH THE COTTON BOWL AND THE CAPITAL ONE BOWL AND M GO BLUE IS GOING TO ENJOY EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY GAME!!!
Fact is I love watching football and I have loved watching football even when the system was messed up!!
My team is in the Capital one bowl, and as far as i'm concerned it's a great place to be for Michigan!!!
GO BLUE
GO BADGERS
GO BUCKEYE'S
GO SPARTANS
GO HOOSIER'S
GO BOILERMAKER'S.....??????
GO JOE PA
GO ILLINI
I know i'm such a homer but people are spewing crap about my team and the teams in my conference.lisa said:
posted on December 3, 2007 3:22 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
geeze guys, i'm SORRY. really. the system kept calling up a "system error" and i kept reloading only to find my post not posted. so i resent it. SORRY. SORRY. SORRY. sheesh.
now, would someone PLEASE answer my question. from above? if anyone knows the answer, that is.
does anyone know the rankings of the bowls importance? thanks. (sorry, again)TE
posted on December 3, 2007 3:24 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
Foiled,
All I can say is ask the owner/operator of the site "Every Day Should Be Saturday" about his experience in Baton Rouge...Ask the color/PBP guys from Delaware State who came down this year for Auburn...Ask VT fans on their own site who came down this past year...
We treat visitors with great respect, especially in New Orleans...Their man claim to fame is the hospitality and tourism industries down there, and to be honest, I've already heard some bad stories about OSU fans, though I'd rather make my own assumptions. Every Yankee I've ever met in the Quarter was having such a deliriously good time you'd have mistaken him for a long-lost-brother once we'd talked for a few minutes...
Ask the Auburn fans that were in the quarter for the 2003 game. A lot of opposing teams' fans will stay there, getting in Thursday night and doing it up Friday, riding into BR on Saturday afternoon for the night games...
We respect visitors to our state, and our crown jewel of a city...
There's a crime problem there like any major metropolitan area, but I have never personally had an issue with crime, and I've been so many times I can't even begin to try to count...
Welcome, Buckeye fans!
VTBobb
posted on December 3, 2007 3:25 PM — 74.1.112.66 — link — abuse? said:
Lisa, My understanding is, in general, the later the bowl, the higher prestige. However, I don't think that is an absolute. Since it seems to be the driving force behind the BCS, FOLLOW THE MONEY!
http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bowl_games_bowl_schedule.html
I didn't check these, but they look about right. As you can see, a few lower tier bowls are now late in the bowl schedule.
lisa said:
posted on December 3, 2007 3:26 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
geeze guys, i'm SORRY. really. the system kept calling up a "system error" and i kept reloading only to find my post not posted. so i resent it. SORRY. SORRY. SORRY. sheesh.
now, would someone PLEASE answer my question. from above? if anyone knows the answer, that is.
does anyone know the rankings of the bowls importance? thanks. (sorry, again)FanoftheGame said:
posted on December 3, 2007 3:27 PM — 198.211.223.194 — link — abuse?
Well, I have always supported some sort of playoff system, but have still felt that something would need to be done to preserve the prestige of the major bowls.
After seeing the selection commitees pass on better teams in some bowls in order to increse revenue, I can see that even some bowl committees have no regard for there own history or prestige.Sorry Kev, I know you are a big fan of the bowls. I on the otherhand love college football and the bowl committees seem to exploiting and commercializing the game as much if not more than the BcS already does.
Right now, you would be hard pressed to find 4 better teams in the country than Georgia, USC, and Oklhoma (none of which am I a big fan of), however none of these guys get a chance to play for the MNC. Instead, we get a good (not great) LSU team taking on "in by default" Ohio State team.
I can only assume that the BCS computer malfunctioned trying to get Notre Dame into a bcs bowl and came out with somewhat odd results.Congrats to the Tiger and Buckeye fans who never saw this coming 3 weeks ago.
Cane Mutiny
posted on December 3, 2007 3:32 PM — 65.12.247.141 — link — abuse? said:
Lisa - there's no "rankings" of BCS games behind the National Championship. It's not like it's #1 vs #2, then #3 vs #4, then #5 vs #6, and so on - it all has to do with conference tie-ins.
And by the way, I've found that impulsively making bets doesn't often work out...
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R.I.P. #26Cane Mutiny
posted on December 3, 2007 3:37 PM — 65.12.247.141 — link — abuse? said:
Lisa - there's no "rankings" of BCS games behind the National Championship. It's not like it's #1 vs #2, then #3 vs #4, then #5 vs #6, and so on - it all has to do with conference tie-ins.
And by the way, I've found that impulsively making bets doesn't often work out...
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R.I.P. #26lisa said:
posted on December 3, 2007 3:46 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
VTBobb - thanks for the info. that's what i thought, too. so, i'm going with me being right and winning the "bet". just wish the bcs would put something out saying such. oh well, run by men, what can a person expect. sorry, just had to throw that gender dig in seeing it has been such a crazy year this year and nothing has made sense in regards to the rankings.
TE and Foiled - i went to the vt v auburn game in 2004 in new orleans and i can verify that the people in new orleans were wonderful. and that includes the auburn fans (although i hated all those stupid lengthy cheers and songs they said,,, over and over again, no less). anyhow, i was even at the lsu v vt game in blacksburg a few years back (when we actually BEAT them, haha) and the lsu fans were cool. and, let me tell you, there were LOTS of them in tiny blacksburg, too. some crazy college kids fighting, but nothing too whacky and rude. so, i think any trip to new orleans would be a blast. ironically, i was kinda hoping vt would play there again this year just so i could go back and have a fun time like before (even when auburn won).
in general, and i know you guys are gonna jump on me 'cause i'm a "woman", so go right ahead. but let me ask yet another question for you intelligent beings of the other gender. why don't the bowl match-ups follow in order of final ranking before bowl time? 1/2 for championship, 3/4 #2 bcs bowl, 5/6 #3 bcs bowl, etc. at the end of the year shouldn't the coaches poll/ap poll/bcs poll decide the ranking and thus the bowl berths? call me crazy, as i'm sure you will, but doesn't that make sense?
Spartacus
posted on December 3, 2007 3:47 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
lisa:
Just go ahead and go on out. You can hit the "back" and "forward" buttons to get back to your post if you need to. You can still hit "refresh" on the "main page" until you see your post. Usually, no matter what the system says, it did take your post immediately - unless you did not sign in. Even then, you can sign in, and then go back to your post and hit the submit key. They rarely ever get lost.
Now, the way in which the five major bowls are listed have to do with game times only. The most important is the "BCS National Championship". The other four (Rose, Sugar, Fiesta and Orange) are all equally important - usually. The Rose will be played earliest with Orange and Fiesta usually being night games. The Sugar can be played in the early afternoon or evening. None of this makes sense - but all four games are of the same importance.Tommie Trojan
lisa said:
posted on December 3, 2007 4:01 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Spartacus and Caine - thanks guys. you just took away my bet winning satisfaction. just for that you guys have to give me some ammo (preferably factually based) to goed a wvu friend of mine who keeps telling me wvu is better than vt AND the big east is better/stronger/tougher/whatever than the acc. it's a long standing rivalry between vt and wvu and i'm simply trying to prove vt is the better football team. help me out guys. well, unless you like wvu better, if so, then keep quiet! haha
oh, and get this, he doesn't think vt should be ranked higher than wvu (who, btw, lost to an unranked team when they were ranked #2,,, well, you guys probably already know all that! haha)
VTBobb
posted on December 3, 2007 4:06 PM — 74.1.112.66 — link — abuse? said:
Lisa, as for playing #3 vs #4, etc...The bowls, rightfully so, want to maintain some control to try to get an attractive matchup. Remember, one of the main reasons a city hosts a bowl is to bring in th etourist dollars and to show off the city on a national stage for future tourism. For the BCS bowls, there are several conference tie-ins, with the remainder being choosen by a rotating order for the rest of the teams.
That being said, not sure there are many "attractive matchups" in the BCS bowls, outside of the championship game.
I just had an epiffany...You don't suppose some of the Bowls are trying to duplicate Boise State's BCS upset from last year, do you?
OR (2nd epiphany) Maybe the BCS put some pressure on to prevent some of the "deserving teams" from playing each other, thus creating the dreaded "Split National Championship" if the AP voted one of the winners of the other close games #1.
lisa said:
posted on December 3, 2007 4:17 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
VTBobb - umm, you're talking over my head, buddy. i have no idea about a boise state upset. i do know that i really like the smurf turf color and would like vt to play there sometime so i can use it as an excuse to see it in person. haha
i think your second ephiphany may be correct. however, when vt beats kansas (and i'm not being cocky just realistic) and oklahoma beats wvu (and i'm just being a bitter wv rival) what will that say about the match-ups? especially if we see blow outs?
to me, the whole bcs system is screwy. i have never been a fan. my logical side says simply start the season a few weeks earlier and allow for a playoff system in december with the championship game in january. then we all will know the winner of that game is the true champion.
lisa said:
posted on December 3, 2007 4:35 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
VTBobb - there's a charleston alley cats?!?
never a break, that's what a rivalry is all about. besides, he talks too tough even when i was giving him sympathy for the wv loss to pitt. which, let me tell you, was difficult to give. secretly, i thoroughly enjoyed watching that game. :-)
Spartacus
posted on December 3, 2007 4:37 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
Lisa:
Don Nehlen coached West Virginia between 1995-2000 compiling a record of 39-31 for a winning percentage of .557 for those six years. Frank Beamer had coached Virginia Tech to a record of 47-14 over that same time period for a winning percentage of .770 for those six years.
Rich Rodriquez became head coach of West Virginia and coached that team to a 28-21 record (.571) between 2001-2004. Frank Beamer, meanwhile, was compiling a record of 36-16 (.692) at Virginia Tech for those same four years.
West Virginia had two incoming freshmen in 2005, Pat White and Steve Slaton, who made a drastic improvement in the fortunes of West Virginia. Between 2005-2007, West Virginia under Rich Rodriquez, has compiled a record of 32-5 (.865) during these past three years. Virginia Tech has almost kept pace by winning 32 of 39 games (.821) during these last three years.
West Virginia has compiled a 99-57 record over the last thirteen years (.635 winning pct.) - while only becoming an NCAA power over the last three years. Frank Beamer and Virginia Tech have compiled a 115-37 record over the last thirteen years (.757 winning pct.) while averaging almost nine wins every single season and winning at least ten games in nine different years.
Clearly, Virginia Tech has been the "dominate team" for about four times as long as West Virginia has, and more definately defines the term "football program".Tommie Trojan
lisa said:
posted on December 3, 2007 4:51 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Spartacus - if i could see you, i would KISS you! thank you so much for that information. trust me, i'll be printing it out and handing it over to my friend. i wonder what crud he'll attempt to spew back at me. now it won't matter, i'll have the FACTS on my side. :-) you're the greatest! thanks!
maybe i'll work that information up into christmas card format! heeheehee
Dr. J. said:
posted on December 3, 2007 5:01 PM — 68.155.69.37 — link — abuse?
After LSU handles Ohio State in the championship game in much the same fashion as Florida handled them last year, look for the Big 10 to withdraw from the BCS series, and probably convince the Pac 10 to do likewise. That way they can return to their Rose Bowl contranct and once again be able to dodge the best teams from the Deep South and win national championships in the polls, rather than on the field.
Spartacus
posted on December 3, 2007 5:12 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
lisa:
Always been willing to help a "damsel in distress". Don't worry about me - I'm good! Maybe a little too helpful - as I have ten children and another set of twins on the way! Well, "cheaper by the dozen" they always say, but somehow I know that just isn't true. Hell, it's hard being a "super hero". It's really not all it's cracked up to be.
Tommie Trojan
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 3, 2007 5:38 PM — 216.46.209.187 — link — abuse?
TOMMIE T A FOOTBALL COACH!!!!! WATCH OUT WORLD!!!!
Seriously, before the Rosebowl last year Tommie T described every play in detail before it happened..........M GO BLUE would be great with Tommie T coaching Michigan =)
VTBobb
posted on December 3, 2007 5:44 PM — 70.22.115.189 — link — abuse? said:
One question, Does anyone NOT understand why Delany and the Big "10"/PAC 10 refuse to allow some sort of palyoff? It's obvious to me! If there were a playoff, the Conferences would be exposed! Hell the Big "10" is so weak, they need 11 teams to equal 10.
VTBobb
posted on December 3, 2007 6:07 PM — 70.22.115.189 — link — abuse? said:
Buck, Actually, the ACC had 7 teams over .500, Big 10 had 8. However, Duke beat one of your teams (how do you defend that). And check the SOSs. BTW, how many conference games do Big 10 teams play?
Here's a headline for you "OHIO STATE AND ILLINOIS GIVE BIG TEN TWO TEAMS IN BCS BOWLS FOR SEVENTH TIME IN 10 YEARS".
http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/120207aaa.html
That's from the Big 10 website and that explains it all.
posted on December 3, 2007 6:33 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Tommie T: You know they found out what causes that pregnancy thing. Trying to field your own football team? I guess with the twins coming you either have your first defensive player or a sunstitute for the offense.
Surprised you have any time to write...
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 3, 2007 6:35 PM — 216.46.209.187 — link — abuse?
Dr. J.
You know buddy, Ohio State is going to play for the National title........and if they win they will be crowned champions........maybe we would'nt accept them as champions........but our opinion would'nt really matter....would it?????????? They would still be the National Champions.
GO BLUE!Bleed Crimson
posted on December 3, 2007 6:40 PM — 130.160.147.104 — link — abuse? said:
::BOWL SEASON TIME::
BCS:
- LSU is going to run all over OSU. what a joke.
- hahahaha. i feel sooo bad for Hawaii. they might wanna make a mercy rule for that game.
- USC will dominate Illinois. dominate.
- Virginia Tech and Kansas will be a good game. a toss-up.
- Oklahoma and WVU will also be another good game. toss-up.SEC goes 8-1, possibly undefeated in their bowl games this year. The only one that could possibly get away is the Arkansas vs. Missouri game. But, i think Missouri will overlook a decent Arkansas team that does have a chance of winning this one. If Arkansas wins, will there really be any doubt at all as to who the best conference in the country is?
treeroller said:
posted on December 3, 2007 6:43 PM — 75.109.240.158 — link — abuse?
ok #53 and 54...you are idiots. There is a HUGE difference in going undefeated in the WAC and going undefeated in the statistically proven toughest conference in America. Auburn was more royally screwed in '04 than any team has been screwed by the bcs.
SilverBulletD
posted on December 3, 2007 6:45 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
Why does everyone hate on Ohio State and the Big 10?
I am accused of being an SEC hater and irrational to where I will just twist what people say to what I want it to be, yet you all do the same thing.
I am accused of being hypocritical, what are you all doing? You talk of strength of schedule based on rankings, but then talk about how wrong the rankings are. What sense does that make?
We are all funny. We talk bitch and complain about how screwed up everything is and how we hate it and each other yet we're all still here.
I lump myself in with still being here.
grcunning said:
posted on December 3, 2007 6:49 PM — 71.72.42.64 — link — abuse?
Dr J@100
been hearing that all year, how the SEC is closer to the NFL than the NCAA, and that everyone else doesn't deserve to be on the same field.
The SEC is definitely a quality conference. It's just too bad that their championship contender is barely better than average. Georgia probably would have put up a much better fight, but we'll never know.
That idiot Mark May (aka TE junior) made a huge point last night about how OSU has "NEVER" been anywhere like New Orleans, and about that awesome LSU crowd...maybe so, during the regular season when LSU grudgingly gives the opposition about 500 to 1000 tickets. I promise you that there will be 40,000 Buckeye fans in the stadium, and 250,000 outside partying. This wont be nearly as much of a home game as you think (don't they teach math down there in the bayou?)
And as far as LSU handling OSU like Florida did last year, LSU is NOT the Florida of last year, not even close.
On Offense, I don't see LSU doing anything. You've got a barely average quarterback in Flynn(I personally think that Perrilloux would give OSU more trouble)
Hester is certainly a beast, but OSU eats up power runners, and you've got noone else in the backfield.
Mark May, once again gushed about LSU's weapons, speaking especially about Trindon Holliday....Holliday??? He averages what? 3 carries a game? Do you think Laurinitis is shaking in his boots over that?
And your "weapon" on the outside, Early Doucet? How many times do you have to hear "Doucet catches the pass, is dropped immediately for a 7 yard gain" to realize that he is a posession reciever, nothing more.
Once again, Mark May was talking about how LSU will spread the field and use their weapons, because Matt Flynn has blazing 4.5 speed..wtf? Hey Mr May, ease up on the "happy pills". I've never heard anyone describe Matt Flynn as another Dennis Dixon. If he tries to play like Dixon or Tebow, he'll be carted off before halftime.No, I think if LSU puts up points, it will be because of their defense. The best matchup in the game will be the OSU O-line against the LSU D-line. This game will be decided in the trenches.
In Ohio, we have a special name for that kind of football..It's called Tresselball.LSU is a dream matchup for the Buckeyes.
I'll hold off on a score prediction until we hear about Dorsey's health. If he isn't 100%, LSU's defensive line is in BIG BIG trouble.
Paybacks are hell, and now we know who's gonna get steamrolled...
Go Bucks
posted on December 3, 2007 7:00 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
SilverbulletD: Here's my beef with the Big 10 (read 11): They don't have a championship game. They don't crown a champion on the field. They don't have that last extra hurdle to clear, signifying a distinct winner. In other words, they don't quite have the same level of competition that the conferences that do have a championship game have.
The Big 10 (11) runs the risk of becominmg irrelevant if they don't get with the program. Nobody is going to give their champion equal weight in future BCS polls. The Pac 10 and Big Easy at least play a full conference schedule, each team playing every other member, although I don't think that will cut it for long in future BCS polls.
SilverBulletD
posted on December 3, 2007 7:05 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
What about when a conference has the wrong teams in a conference championship? More than once the best records in a conference dont play each other because they are in different divisions East/West or North/South.
How is that right?
grcunning said:
posted on December 3, 2007 7:10 PM — 71.72.42.64 — link — abuse?
War Eagle Atlanta@117
what a crock!!!
The Big10 should get with the program? What program, greed?
The ONE AND ONLY reason some conferences have a "championship game" is because they want the extra revenue those games bring in. It has absolutely NOTHING TO DO with any "level of competition". Wake up dude.
The Big 10 believes that the players are students first and athletes second, and allow them to spend their Thanksgiving with their families, instead of preparing for another game so the administrators can stuff their wallets.
You want to spend that extra money? fine...we don't care how many kids you take advantage of. Just don't complain when it jumps up and bites you in the ass like it did with missouri.SilverBulletD
posted on December 3, 2007 7:17 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
Ask UGA fans if they agree with the conference championship. If the Big 10 played one this year, which they basically did with Ohio State v. Michigan, it wouldn't have changed what happened to UGA or Mizzou.
Do you honestly believe the Michigan would have beat Ohio State if they played again a week or two later?
T-Mac
posted on December 3, 2007 7:22 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse? said:
Ben, 56. You bring up many valid points.
That is another way to look at Georgia.
T-Mac can't disagree with that.
T-Mac thinks the Georgia secondary will shutdown the Hawaii passing game.
Shut down the WR's and you beat Hawaii.
T-Mac doesn't have a score on this one, but Georgia wins. Richt will have em ready.
*T-Mac approved this message.
VTBobb
posted on December 3, 2007 7:53 PM — 70.22.115.189 — link — abuse? said:
M GO BLUE, so, had VT played a powder puff instead of LSU, and lost by only 4 or 5, the would be worthy? And YOU are going to quote scores to ME? Your lucky Michigan isn’t playing in a playoff THIS year. Maybe you could beat one of those teams on your SECOND try. After all, a win is a win, right? BTW, check the SOS’s for VT and the entire Big 10 (Little 1?) Conference.
That wasn’t my point anyway. My point was, why would the Big 10 want a FAIR way to crown a champion, when they are obviously greatly benefiting from the current configuration, due to their history not their actual abilities?
Lennie Collins
posted on December 3, 2007 8:04 PM — 67.67.218.70 — link — abuse? said:
These are my PICKS of the only Bowls games that I will watch:
Arizona State over Texas
Oklahoma over West Virginia
Ohio State over Louisiana StateGo Sun Devils (Maroon & Gold, Please don't fold!)
Go Sooners (Crison & Cream True! Through & Through!)
Go Buckeyes (Scarlet & Grey, All the way!)hennemania said:
posted on December 3, 2007 8:24 PM — 209.154.229.67 — link — abuse?
OH----IO!!! Every team sucked this year. Some people think that OSU is a joke, look at their starting roster and see how many junior and seniors are starting. Feel sorry for the league the next couple years: 9 starting freshman and sophomores, 10 starting juniors, 3 starting Seniors. We weren't supposed to be successful but with the good coaching, good play of our youngins and the result of your miserable teams we managed to slide in. I know we weren't the best team this year, but from the rest of the so called teams that I felt were better hey they sure stunk up the field a couple games or more and blew every opportunity. Lsu was just lucky to not suck bad enough to get in with 2 losses. So Ohio state got smoked last year against Florida, well one of the best players on the team got hurt first play of the game after running back a 100 yarder. I know another excuse, but take your team and take the 2nd best impact player out of the game and see how it affects the outcome. Florida would have smacked down any team last year and the buckeyes were unfortunate to have been such a hyped up team last year. Even though I felt OSU was a top 4 team in talent, Florida was sick of the media and only sat 3 weeks. Ohio state practiced for 2 months. That's like coming back from another season and playing a pre-season game against a fresh rested team. Anyone that has ever played a sport EVER, ha, should know that you have to constantly play to stay in sync and most importantly in game shape. Blah blah, whatever a new year. Don't complain about Illinois. Look at Illinois losses, what you never did,,,hmmm and you still judge, They are a way better team than Stanford, the same team that sucked last week and the same team that routed USC. LSU lost to Kentucky, joke, Florida lost crap games, USC lost crap games. joke joke joke, Every last team lost crap games which is why this whole BCS thing failed this year. Whom ever thinks they are blessed with football wisdom and can predict the outcome of these BCS games should keep in mind that any team can beat any team any day of the week,,,,,this year proved it. If you don't believe it or are naive then take your favorite team and look at their loss(es) this year. You may just chuckle at your own biasness.
GA Boy said:
posted on December 3, 2007 8:26 PM — 97.89.26.241 — link — abuse?
grcunning
And everytime a bell rings an angel gets their wings! What kind of pie in the sky bull is that @119.
You don't need a conference championship in the Big 10 anyway. You have one--it's called the Michigan-Ohio State game. They are the only teams that usually have a chance anyway. Go Buckeyes. Show us how good the Big 10 is.
Go Dawgs!!
posted on December 3, 2007 8:32 PM — link — abuse? said:
Very quick break for station identification.....
That flood of traffic we endured last night (3x our regular volume) is still coming strong. The server is having trouble keeping up. We've been moved to a different server, but I think the increased traffic flood is one of those good/bad things we may have to endure this week.
Sorry, fellas (and chicas!)
buckforlife said:
posted on December 3, 2007 8:44 PM — 24.10.179.194 — link — abuse?
Please SEC'ers stop talking about strength of schedule. #116 has it right. After all, what good is strength of schedule when you lose 2 or 3 games a year. I'm sure SEC fans would be happy putting two of their 2 or 3 loss teams in the title game every year based solely on "strength of schedule." In order for that arguement to work you have to win the games!!! give me a break.
hennemania said:
posted on December 3, 2007 9:09 PM — 209.154.229.67 — link — abuse?
The worst part about OSU is Kirk "trader" Herbstreit . He was like Oregon is the team to beat, lost, , and then was like LSU is the team to beat now. Arkansas exposed their run defense. Just feel sorry for them when they have to tackle Chris "Beenie" Wells. Most players stop tackling him by half time because he rips their f'n arms off with his mule strength and cat like speed or just stiff arms their weak bodies to the ground and laughs at the funny attempt of a tackle. 6-1, 235, So., People tend to forget he was the top ranked high school prospect at running back a couple years ago Position Ranking: 1. Every BCS team drooled at his size, skills, and stats, but he chose wisely. I just wonder if he thinks about eating his prey... maybe when he's a junior they will give him the respect he deserves. The biggest joke is how USC loses 2 ridiculous games and then the announcers have the audacity to say is the best team after beating UCLA at home. hahahahah UCLA sorry UCLA but you know.
hennemania said:
posted on December 3, 2007 9:25 PM — 209.154.229.67 — link — abuse?
Hawaii, lol!!! Maybe if they played anyone good. They beat one ranked team, Boise St. and Boise St. played one ranked team, Hawaii, but the La tech was a close one. hahaha!!!
Hawaii's schedule.
09/02 N Colorado W 63-6
09/08 at La Tech W 45-44
09/15 at UNLV W 49-14
09/23 C Southern W 66-10
09/29 at Idaho W 48-20
10/07 Utah St W 52-37
10/12 at San Jose St W 42-35
10/28 New Mexico St W 50-13
11/10 Fresno St W 37-30
11/16 at Nevada W 28-26
11/23 #19 Boise St W 39-27
12/01 Washington W 35-28ILLINOIS SCHEDULE,
1 LOSS OUT OF CONFERENCE TO MISSOURI AT MISSOURI BY 6. 2 IN CONFERENCE, LOST BY 4 AT IOWA AND LOST BY 10 TO MICHIGAN then ran the table.9-1-07 Missouri @St. Louis, MO LOST 34-40
9-8-07 WESTERN ILLINOIS WON 21-0
9-15-07 at Syracuse WON 41-20
9-22-07 at Indiana WON 27-14
9-29-07 PENN STATE WON 27-20
10-6-07 WISCONSIN WON 31-26
10-13-07 at Iowa LOST 6-10
10-20-07 MICHIGAN LOST 17-27
10-27-07 BALL STATE WON 28-17
11-3-07 AT MINNESOTA WON 44-17
11-10-07 at Ohio State WON 28-21
11-17-07 NORTHWESTERN WON 41-22grcunning said:
posted on December 3, 2007 9:30 PM — 71.72.42.64 — link — abuse?
@132 It has nothing to do with them being run by Mother Teresa.
They just place more value on the well being of their student/athletes than on the cash cow of another game.
It's for that same reason that OSU didn't have a bye week, they wanted their season over by Thanksgiving, like it has been for about 100 years.
In addition, there is no way that Ohio State and Michigan would give up their traditional last game of the season, and the greatest rivalry in all of sports(IMHO). They've played each other since 1897, and on the last week of the season since 1935. That won't change.
I would love to see a conference championship, it would be another week of football bliss for me, but it won't happen. Hell, maybe we could grab Kentucky away from the SEC, we could use another punching bag..buckforlife said:
posted on December 3, 2007 9:41 PM — 24.10.179.194 — link — abuse?
hennemania, we can all look at schedules on ESPN's website. not sure we need you to post them. I do appreciate what you say about big bruiser beanie wells. Everyone better get used to seeing OSU in the title game because our "easy" schedule ain't gonna change that much and unlike last year we have ALOT of talent coming back. and before you write stuff like "ohio State is gonna keep losing the title game to teams in better conferences," and crap like that...save it. We'll see.
hennemania said:
posted on December 3, 2007 9:42 PM — 209.154.229.67 — link — abuse?
Just for fun name the good teams that V. Tech beat this year.
Sept. 1, 2007 East Carolina W
Sept. 8, 2007 at LSU L 48-7
Sept. 15, 2007 Ohio (ESPN360) W 28-7
Sept. 22, 2007 William & Mary W 44-3
Sept. 29, 2007 North Carolina W 17-10
Oct. 6, 2007 at Clemson W 41-23
Oct. 13, 2007 at Duke W 43-14
Oct. 25, 2007 Boston College L 14-10
Nov. 1, 2007 at Georgia Tech W 27-3
Nov. 10, 2007 Florida State W 40-21
Nov. 17, 2007 Miami-FL W 44-14
Nov. 24, 2007 at Virginia W 33-21
Dec. 1, 2007 at Boston College W 30-16
I mean they did beat 5-7 Miami, Fl and 7-5 Florida st and not to forget well the only good win they had was at 9-3 Virginia, they got spanked by lsu and lost to okay Boston College. Sorry V-tech I'm a stats guy.Big O from MO said:
posted on December 3, 2007 9:45 PM — 24.107.9.241 — link — abuse?
BCS,BULL CRAP SYSTEM!
Kansas in the Orange Bowl what a F-ing Joke!
Illinois in the Rose Bowl, I guess you can over look 3 behind the 9 one of which was Missouri.
Now here's the point. Missouri doesn't have this kind of season that often. Hell it was 1960 the last time they were ranked #1. I wasn't even born.
Shit it was 1969 since they won the conference. I was 4 years old. These kind of season's just don't happen that often around here. So when they do, we would just like to end up where were supposed to be and that's in Miami not Dallas.P.S. How about Coach Mange in a thong on South Beach!
hennemania said:
posted on December 3, 2007 9:46 PM — 209.154.229.67 — link — abuse?
buckforlife:
If they can read them, how come they post ridiculous sh** on these blogs. Stats tell the story and it just shows that the Buckeyes schedule isn't that much weaker than every other team skating on by this year.
Big O from MO said:
posted on December 3, 2007 9:46 PM — 24.107.9.241 — link — abuse?
BCS,BULL CRAP SYSTEM!
Kansas in the Orange Bowl what a F-ing Joke!
Illinois in the Rose Bowl, I guess you can over look 3 behind the 9 one of which was Missouri.
Now here's the point. Missouri doesn't have this kind of season that often. Hell it was 1960 the last time they were ranked #1. I wasn't even born.
Shit it was 1969 since they won the conference. I was 4 years old. These kind of season's just don't happen that often around here. So when they do, we would just like to end up where were supposed to be and that's in Miami not Dallas.P.S. How about Coach Mange in a thong on South Beach!
Zac said:
posted on December 3, 2007 10:09 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
OU-Ron!!! I'm back. Been away on business, and it looks like I've got lots of catching up to do. God, Saturday night was heart breaking, but Pitt put up one hell of a "D" for the entire 60 minutes. WVU's "D" didn't do all that badly; it was their offense that went…well, no-where. I think it'll be fixed by the time our teams play. I see our buddy Lennie has picked the Sooners over WVU; imagine that.
By the way, Buckeye fans, I wouldn't be concerned over Lou Holtz having picked your guys to beat LSU (Autigerman's Post 32). I would get worried if he gives OSU one of his ESPN pep-talks. I think only one team he gave a pep-talk to actually won their game.
There's been a lot of disappointment expressed over the BCS pairings. While I can't complain against who WVU will face, like many of you, I am amazed at some of the match-ups. 1st off, I really hate the BCS rule of only 2 teams from a conference can qualify. That rule screwed WI last year, and it screwed MO this year.
Secondly, I can't beleave the Big-Ten/Pac-10 continue to live in the past in the Rose. I like what Zook has done with IL; I don't like a 9-3 team in the Rose Bowl.
What I don't understand is some of the bowl committees aren't playing by their own rules. For example: VT beat BC to become ACC Champ. That means BC is the ACC runner-up, right??? So, will somebody explain to me how BC has to settle for MI St in the "Champs Sports Bowl, while VA gets to play TX Tech in the Gator Bowl? I know the Big 12 also has a tie in, but shouldn't MO at least be in the Gator against BC???
Of course, selling out the bowls is as important as the TV coverage. VA has proven they can brings fans; I'm certain TX Tech will do the same. Given WVU fell out of the NC race, like VTBobb (Post 68), they could have matched VT against WVU in the Orange. Talk about a sell-out. (Hey VTBobb, were you in Charleston when the Charlies still played? I was.)
Lisa (Post 90), what red-blooded American male wouldn't jump on a woman, if given the right circumstances? Was that a trick question? Just kidding - By the way, I think at one time, many moons ago, the bowls may have developed an "informal" hierarchy; i.e. ranking, where-by one bowl was more prestigious than another. It was likely based upon pay-out, not on the rankings of the teams playing. That, of course, all went by the way-side when the BCS came into office.
As for VA Tech being better than WVU, without question, over the past 15 years, Tech has had the edge. However, " West Virginia football ranks 17th in all-time Division I-A wins...which is pretty impressive. They rank ahead of teams like Pittsburgh, Texas A&M, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech and Florida. They currently have 641 wins, just 10 wins behind #15 Colorado. They still have a long time to go before reaching Michigan's current win total of 848 wins." While I don't have the link to this site, it is fact based.
I'd like to say more (I know; why stop now???), but my wife is screaming for here turn at the computer. I'll be back when I can. Enjoy!!!
VTBobb
posted on December 3, 2007 10:48 PM — 70.22.115.189 — link — abuse? said:
hennemania, if you're such a stats man, how can EVERYONE have VT's SOS so much higher than the Big 10's?
ZAC - Nope '92 till '04. Just about the time VT got good consistently. Oh yeah, and started beating WVU (fairly) regularly too.
GatorMatt
posted on December 3, 2007 11:28 PM — 70.171.18.91 — link — abuse? said:
#127:
"So Ohio state got smoked last year against Florida, well one of the best players on the team got hurt first play of the game after running back a 100 yarder. I know another excuse, but take your team and take the 2nd best impact player out of the game and see how it affects the outcome."
I'm assuming Ginn was 2nd behind your Heisman winner Troy Smith? 35 yards passing, and that's your teams best player? That doesn't say too much. I haven't watched too many OSU games this season, but from what I've seen, last years squad was a HELL of a lot better than this years. And we saw how that worked out. You claim that the 51 day layover is what killed the team? Tough sh*t. The Big 10 relies on so much "history and prestige" that it won't realize for years to come that this will actually hurt their performance in a bowl game. OSU couldn't defend the spread last year, and if LSU puts several receivers out wide, then I fear we'll see more of the same. And I say fear, b/c I'd actually like to watch a championship game that doesn't look like it's pitting a high school team against a conference champion
FromUVM said:
posted on December 4, 2007 12:41 AM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
#120(SilverBulletD) - "Do you honestly believe the Michigan would have beat Ohio State if they played again a week or two later?"
No way, Michigan is just not good enough. It is too bad for Ohio State that a team like Michigan is the second best team in the conference, based on conference record of course. If you say Illinois is 2nd best, well tOSU lost to them at home. I don't really know what to think of Ohio St, I know they have a good team and think they would be deserving of a seed in an 8 team playoff. I can't say for sure that LSU or Ohio St is 100% absolutely #1 and #2. This season has just been too close to say that about ANY two teams.
One problem with the current BCS structure is that everyone sits out 4 weeks before playing in a BCS bowl game. Of course it has always been this way, but that doesn't mean it is the best way. With that much time off anything can happen. If these teams played a couple playoff games back-to-back weeks we would be more likely to see who is the best team. That is my opinion.
Bleed Crimson
posted on December 4, 2007 2:41 AM — 130.160.147.104 — link — abuse? said:
Heres the deal Silver Bullet:
The same thing happened last year. you cruise through the big 10 without any adversity (except the mighty fighting illini). you come out cocky and confident about your "god-like offensive line" and all of that BS, and then you play a team of animals from the SEC.
If there is one thing im sure of in this game, it is that LSU will destroy your offensive line and absolutely shut down your running game. while dominating your o-line, they will destroy your QB.
Also, did you ever consider that maybe the reason Arkansas "exposed LSU's run defense" is due to the fact that they have the best runner in the country in that backfield??Oh and for the record, you could take the top 4 teams from the SEC and they would all dominate and destroy OSU in every facet of the game.
(This year that would include: LSU, Florida, Tennessee, and Georgia).I'll take LSU 45-10 against an undeserving OSU team that will be proven once again to be a worthless and weak opponent when lined up against the SEC.
Tomcat said:
posted on December 4, 2007 3:01 AM — 68.93.140.127 — link — abuse?
Bleed Crimson you could be right, they couldnt get past ILL and Missu did.Now Missu lost twice against OU. OU is a purty good team that lost to the CU Buffs. Bama fans get ready this aint UL Monroe heck even N Tex beat those guys.
Colo vs Bama
Missu vs Ark
V Tech vs KU
UT vs Az St
PSU vs T A&M
UVA vs TTech
Ind vs OK st
OU vs WV
Looks like some purty good matchups for the XII
other UT opponents in bowls
UCF vs Miss St
TCU vs HoustonPats 19 and 0 said:
posted on December 4, 2007 9:57 AM — 76.88.119.41 — link — abuse?
It's a good thing pollsters and bowl assigners don't participate in these blogs. All the comments are so rediculous and one sided. The SEC fans are particularly insensible. The only thing that in football that is clear cut and one sided is that the Patriots are going to go 19 and 0. Go Pats.
Pats 19 and 0 said:
posted on December 4, 2007 9:58 AM — 76.88.119.41 — link — abuse?
It's a good thing pollsters and bowl assigners don't participate in these blogs. All the comments are so rediculous and one sided. The SEC fans are particularly insensible. The only thing in football that is clear cut and justifiable is that the Patriots are going to go 19 and 0. Go Pats.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on December 4, 2007 10:23 AM — 198.211.223.194 — link — abuse?
There has been alot of exciting football played this season with a ton of upsets. I think by now we should expect the BcS to get it wrong, as they usually do, but there will still be a few great bowl matchups this year. I've never put much stock into the BcS and never will- so as far as I'm concerned if your team wins its bowl game then you have as much right to claim the MNC as anyone. There have been way too many upsets this year to think that any top 25 team couldn't get the job done against anyone.Dear Santa,
Please give MNC rings to all of the winners of Bowl games this year. And if you have any common sense left over from your trip through the great lake states, please send as much to the Mr. Delaney and the other BcS committee members as you can.P.S. I almost forgot! Please send Tommy T lots of diapers and condoms.....haha
Spartacus
posted on December 4, 2007 11:11 AM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
FanoftheGame:
I'm one of those salesmen who fully endorses my product - although I have never used one. Just send the diapers and substitute the condoms for baby wipes. Besides, it's too late now - again!
Tommie Trojan
quiet4us2 said:
posted on December 4, 2007 11:49 AM — 74.194.93.65 — link — abuse?
LSU does not deserve to be in the big game. Like it or not Hawaii has done what has traditionally been asked of all teams. Win your div. and go undefeated. They did both. They beat Boise and Washington. Big name schools with bad seasons. Colt will have a big day agaisnt another over rated SEC team. Hawaii 41 Joja 28. If the BCS championship is suppose to be the 2 best teams right now....USC and Hawaii. LSU the last time I checked was on a losing streak. And don't grumble about Hawaii's weak schedule. Ohio St. had it just as easy. We need a playoff.
Spartacus
posted on December 4, 2007 2:01 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
M GO BLUE:
That's some funny stuff comin' outta a Tide fan. Didn't they bury Tennessee themselves? Shows you kinda how tough Tennessee is, doesn't it? I agree that the SEC is the best conference. But, all the other conference's are only a shade below. Some of these clowns actually think that their teams would all beat every other team on the planet. Fact is: they have a historic 55% winning percentage against OOC competition and alot of that is watered down with Division II teams. It's really not all that. Although, the SEC, always does field 2-3 really good teams. Alabama isn't one of them.
Tommie Trojan
Spartacus
posted on December 4, 2007 3:35 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
This would be my Top Ten at years end:
1. Ohio State (11-1)
2. Oklahoma (11-2)
3. L.S.U. (11-2)
4. U.S.C. (10-2)
5. Virginia Tech (11-2)
6. Georgia (10-2)
7. Florida (9-3)
8. West Virginia (10-2)
9. Missouri (11-2)
10. Arizona State (10-2)My Five BCS games would look like this:
ROSE BOWL
Georgia vs U.S.C.FIESTA BOWL
Missouri vs Arizona StateSUGAR BOWL
West Virginia vs L.S.U.ORANGE BOWL
Virginia Tech vs South FloridaBCS National Championship
Oklahoma vs Ohio StateIf I played a plus-two system using the Top Eight teams only - regardless of any conference regulations:
ROSE BOWL
Ohio State vs U.S.C.FIESTA BOWL
Georgia vs OklahomaSUGAR BOWL
West Virginia vs L.S.U.ORANGE BOWL
Virginia Tech vs FloridaThese four winners would then face off in the following week - deciding who the final two teams would be. I think it would be almost perfect.
Tommie Trojan
Bevo Boy said:
posted on December 4, 2007 4:49 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
#153, right, the Patriots are so impressive. They beat a couple good teams early in the season. They have already peaked and barely beat teams that stand basically no shot at the playoffs. Oh yeah, and they cheat. I'd say go back to the NFl, but it appears that you are a fairweather fan who just jumped on the band-wagon. Too bad it gets pretty cold up there in Boston, maybe you should've jumped onto the bandwagon in Dallas, the weather is a little fairer down there.
Dr. J. said:
posted on December 4, 2007 5:45 PM — 68.155.69.37 — link — abuse?
Why the iron-clad Rose Bowl contract, Big 10 and Pac 10, for all those years? I know. Because teams from the South would go out to California and embarass the best from the West on a regular basis. They needed to tie up with a conference they could beat.
Dr. J. said:
posted on December 4, 2007 5:47 PM — 68.155.69.37 — link — abuse?
Why the iron-clad Rose Bowl contract, Big 10 and Pac 10, for all those years? I know. Because teams from the South would go out to California and embarass the best from the West on a regular basis. They needed to tie up with a conference they could beat.
Spartacus
posted on December 4, 2007 5:56 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
Bevo Boy:
Why can't anybody read english anymore? I said that they are "my" ratings. I am not the BCS - they are! Why would I give you a duplicate of a faulty ratings system that we have already looked at a hundred times? This is how I would have done it. What do you think? Do you think that South Florida is not as good as Hawaii, Kansas or Illinois? I just think that they are a better team. If you don't - then that is fine also.
Tommie Trojan
Spartacus
posted on December 4, 2007 6:05 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
VTBobb:
Why don't you give it a rest? LSU did not lose to Virginia Tech - that's for sure! That score was: LSU 48 Virginia Tech 7. I know for a fact that USC is never gonna lose to LSU by anything near that score. And, don't bring up the Stanford crap again. Virginia Tech did not play Stanford on that day or you may have suffered your 3rd loss. We will never know. I do know that Stanford just beat Cal - so they are not that bad of a team. And, I also know that VT is not as bad as they looked against LSU.
But, the system I laid out for you would allow for Virginia Tech to play for a National Championship. I am not claiming that my team would win it. I am claiming that they are, in fact, a Top Eight team - just as I am saying that VT is also.Tommie Trojan
chanman33 said:
posted on December 4, 2007 6:24 PM — 132.32.201.8 — link — abuse?
MY POINTS
1) Title game should be USC and LSU (sorry OK but the Big 12 is sorry this year and besides beating an over ranked Mizz team your sched is a lot like Hawaii`s)
2) The Big East shoul be removed from the BCS conferences and be replaced by the Mountain West as they are easily the better conf. (BYU, Utah, and AFA could easily beat any team in the big East)
S&G.bulletrain said:
posted on December 4, 2007 6:53 PM — 68.225.36.157 — link — abuse?
SEC Bowl predictions:
- Cincinnati will "crush" Southern Miss. This one will be ugly.
- Colorado will "beat" Alabama. Unless Colorado is on the down side of the roller coaster.
- Florida State will "beat" Kentucky. The Seminoles we'll be out to prove something.
- Wisconsin will "beat" Tennessee. See Florida State and TOSU v. LSU.
- Missouri will "crush" Arkansas. See Florida State.
- Florida will "crush" Michigan. I hope not but Florida looks real good right now.
- Georgia will "crush" Hawaii. Ball control with a rushing attack will doom the Warriors.
- TOSU will "beat" LSU. This will be a defensive clinic on both sides of the ball. The edge going to TOSU with a 1700+ lb front and next year's Heisman candidate at tailback.
SEC 2 wins to 7 losses. That's where I'll put my money... of course I've been wrong before.
R/ S&G
SilverBulletD
posted on December 4, 2007 6:54 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
@151,
Look at your post and tell me who is coming out cocky. The only thing I asked is why everyone hates on Ohio State and the Big 10.
You know, I thought that I didn't really hate the SEC, I was just tired of hearing about how...what did you say..."god-like" everyone says they are.
You all are the greatest, you have the best tradition, the biggest rivalries, etc.
Why do you all play in the NCAA and not the NFL?
I cannot believe you call me cocky with that post. That is funny!!
S&G.bulletrain said:
posted on December 4, 2007 6:59 PM — 68.225.36.157 — link — abuse?
SEC Bowl predictions:
- Colorado will "beat" Alabama. Unless Colorado is on the down side of the roller coaster.
- Auburn will "beat" Clemson. In a real close one.
- Florida State will "beat" Kentucky. The Seminoles we'll be out to prove something.
- Wisconsin will "beat" Tennessee. See Florida State and TOSU v. LSU.
- Missouri will "crush" Arkansas. See Florida State.
- Florida will "crush" Michigan. I hope not but Florida looks real good right now.
- Georgia will "crush" Hawaii. Ball control with a rushing attack will doom the Warriors.
- TOSU will "beat" LSU. This will be a defensive clinic on both sides of the ball. The edge going to TOSU with a 1700+ lb front and next year's Heisman candidate at tailback.
SEC 3 wins to 6 losses. That's where I'll put my money... of course I've been wrong before.
R/ S&G
chanman33 said:
posted on December 4, 2007 6:59 PM — 132.32.201.8 — link — abuse?
S&G
Sorry the SEC will probably be 7-2 with one of the losses being Georgia the other S. Miss.I am not a SEC fan AT ALL but other than the Pac-10 nobody can compete.
The SEC is the second best conf. out there maybe tied for first with the Pac-10 Either way they are FAR ANS AWAY the best conferences out there
Bleed Crimson
posted on December 4, 2007 8:40 PM — 130.160.147.104 — link — abuse? said:
I'll go ahead and call for an 8-1 SEC bowl season. not bad at all.
The only reason we'll lose one is because Arkansas fired their head coach, and because Missouri should be in a much higher bowl game.OSU is a joke.
Illinois is a joke.
Hawaii is a joke.
they will be embarassed.
T-Mac
posted on December 4, 2007 9:53 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse? said:
BC 180. Coach Nutt wasn't fired.
He left on his own accord and that was a smart thing.
Don't write Arkansas off in their bowl game bro.
You have a potential Heisman winner lining up at tailback and quarterback.
With that, you always have a chance to win.
Felix Jones would start for every other school as well.
None of those teams are a joke.
They are all quality teams.
Let's not put the cart before the horse.
T-Mac also thinks the SEC will have a great bowl win record, but lets not get cocky.
*T-Mac approved this message.
Tomcat said:
posted on December 4, 2007 9:54 PM — 68.93.140.127 — link — abuse?
Hey Tommie T Got cutt off from that other old CCG game thread from last week. Say man I know you are a Trojan fan and are a little disapointed with some of the bowl selections particulary the Rose against ILL. This is what all the traditional fans want to see Pac vs B 10/11, whether it two or three loss teams at least they got what they wanted. As far as me being a Homer- heck ya, but unlike SEC fans I'm not really a pro-conference guy, but when sportscasters and guys like yourself try to shed a particular conference or teams from a particular conference in a negative light and in an obviously bias format, then I feel compeled to debate the context in which this unfair assessment was portrayed.
Of course thats just your opinion anyway and I've read what you've said here on F blogs.
Long & Short of it
XII 3 teams in top ten
BTW I'm more of a Texas guy or a SWC guy than a XII guy---- I dont like OU, KU or CU
Hookem-Hornschanman33 said:
posted on December 4, 2007 10:53 PM — 24.111.220.47 — link — abuse?
Man the SEC got easy bowl games, if they played any team from the pac-10 they would see that they are not in fact the best conf. Heck if anyone but LSU played OK from the SEC they would also get owned. Yah way to go give the SEC easy bowl games so they can go on believing they are better than everyone else. Oh and btw Georgia will lose because Hawaii is better than the voters think no Hawaii will not win big but I'd say 49-45 or so.
T-Mac
posted on December 4, 2007 11:32 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse? said:
chanman33, the last time Hawaii played a team from the SEC it went like this...
Alabama-25 Hawaii-17
That was in 2005.
That year Hawaii was #1 in all the Offensive categories bro.
Hawaii is a quality team on offense.
Make no mistake, Coach Richt will have em ready to go.
The Georgia secondary will shutdown the Hawaii passing game.
Believe that!
Georgia wins this one.
T-Mac has to say that right now Oklahoma is the best team in the country.
T-Mac doesn't know if anybody besides LSU from the SEC would get owned by OK because every team, even LSU have plenty of flaws this season!
chanman33, go ahead and compare the schedules of Hawaii and Georgia bro.
Colt Brennan will be on his back quite a bit in this one!
*T-Mac approved this message.
chanman33 said:
posted on December 5, 2007 12:35 AM — 24.111.220.47 — link — abuse?
actually T-mac I compared OK schedule to Hawaii's other than Mizz thier schedules are similar yet you say OK is the best team. Sure I admit Hawaii lost last time they played a SEC team But this is NOT 2005.
Anyway what do you think about this, I think the Big east should not be a BCS conf. the Mountain West is Better and I was just wondering if anyone else feels the same wayDuckman said:
posted on December 5, 2007 2:08 AM — 69.178.56.8 — link — abuse?
"Tommie T--South Florida? They don't even qualify for the BCS. They aren't ranked high enough"
Let’s not forget that S. Florida is the same team that beat Auburn at home! I predict (as sick as it makes me) S. Florida over Oregon-DAMIT!!
I think that this bowl season has many surprises in it. I don’t think that the any conference is dominant and it will show in the end.
Tomcat said:
posted on December 5, 2007 4:04 AM — 68.93.140.127 — link — abuse?
186 chanman33 Do What ? Look man I dont like OU, but you cant be serious are you? comparing OU's schedule with Hawaii do what ?
Did Hawaii play
Texas A&M
Baylor
N Texas
Miami
Texas
Iowa St
Tulsa
Texas Tech
Oklahoma St
Colorado
Missu
Missu
Had they played those teams they would maybe have 3 or 4 wins, maybe- undefeated no-wayOU Fan said:
posted on December 5, 2007 5:36 AM — 84.146.40.190 — link — abuse?
Tomcat post #186, its good to see you back on here. I haven't been on for awhile due to the fact that I was back home visiting family in the states. Now that I'm back overseas, I will get back into the routine of heavily relying on the internet. Tomcat, I was able to attend the OU-Baylor game. What are you thoughts on Sam Bradford and his 34 touchdown freshman record? Adios Colt McCoy. Tomcat, Sam Bradford is scary good especially if you see the kid live in action. Unless he suffers a serious injury early in his collegiate career, the kid should win a Heisman trophy or two. And Tomcat, what are your thoughts about the Big 12 championship game? By the way, I think Texas will crush Arizona State. BOOMER SOONER!!
OU Fan said:
posted on December 5, 2007 5:50 AM — 84.146.40.190 — link — abuse?
chanman33 post #186, do you watch college football? Oklahoma and Hawaii's schedules are not comparable in any sort of way. Oklahoma has played a stronger schedule since college football has been around, bottom line. Also, the Big 12 is much stronger and will always be a much stronger conference than the WAC. Sorry pal, but thats the way it is. I think Hawaii could beat Baylor and Nebraska fairly easliy, but thats it. I would like to see Hawaii beat Georgia, but I think the Dawgs are going to destroy the Rainbow Warriors. Sorry. BOOMER SOONER!
Tomcat said:
posted on December 5, 2007 6:54 AM — 68.93.140.127 — link — abuse?
#189 Thanks OU Fan No doubt when OU is firing on all cylinders they are hard to stop.Good luck in yalls Bowl game.Bradford is alot better than Bomar & some others, yalls future looks bright.
I have to agree with ya that I dont think Hawaii could hang in the XII
Texas Tech vs Hawaii---edge TTech
Oklahoma St vs Hawaii---edge OK St
Iowa St vs Hawaii-----close one either way
OU vs Hawaii---------OU
UT vs Hawaii---------UT
Missu vs Hawaii-----Missu
KU vs Hawaii--------KU
On second thought they might not win any in the XII Even Texas A&M beat Fresno
these rainbow guys gave up 40 something to La Tech Bulldogs--Baylor would have a feild day against that UH Defense and I disagree that Nebraska & Colorado would probably win too.
I really dont see Hawaii winning any in the XII
one or two at most.
UT vs AZ st
Depends on who shows up and brings their A game
The Sun Devils are a well coached team
The Horns are going to have stop them defensivly and not turnover the ball, in order to get the W, really looks like a evenly matched game.
Adios Tomcat
What do ya think about
Arkansas vs Missu
Colorado vs Alabama
Some interesting matchupsZac said:
posted on December 5, 2007 1:30 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
Hey OU Fan, Tomcat, for that matter, lets get Tommy T (currently Spartacus) & T Mac to chime in here.
chanman33 seems to think the Mountain West is better than the Big East. They apparently play a tougher schedule, and offer perennial powers BYU, Utah, and AFA, as compared to WVU (10-2), S FL, Cincinnati, and UConn (all 9-3), and Rutgers (7-5). Apparently, wins against teams like Auburn, MD, MS St, and OR St aren't considered as impressive as wins against teams like ND, UCLA, & VA. Therefore, the Big East should be removed from the BCS and replaced with the Mountain West.
So, lets have a forum. Who all agrees with this and what is your basis?
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 5, 2007 1:43 PM — 216.46.213.200 — link — abuse?
Does this seem fair?
Teams - Location of bowl
Purdue vs C. Michigan - Detroit, Michigan
Penn State vs Texas A-M - San Antonio, Texas
Michigan vs Florida - Orlando, Florida
illinois vs USC - Pasadena, California
Ohio State vs LSU - New Orleans, LouisianaIs it just me, or is there a "little" home field advantage pitted against the Big Ten???????????
Just an excuse you say??? Ok how about this.......next year Florida can come play Michigan at a neutral Spartan stadium...........right now there's a few inches of snow on the ground and it's a cool 18 degrees at 1:37 P.M. .......yeah you wanna talk home field advantage!
Bevo Boy said:
posted on December 5, 2007 4:59 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Zac #192, nice. Chanman33, I believe someone should say this, so I will, BURN. Just give up. The Mountain West couldn't hang with the Big East. As to your post #184, the SEC would DOMINATE the Pac-10. There are two teams that could hang with most of the SEC: Arizona St. and USC, but I wouldn't pick either of them against LSU, UGA, or UF. The Pac-10 couldn't beat the Big XII, ACC, and probably not the Big East, either, but that last one would be close.
chanman33 said:
posted on December 5, 2007 5:40 PM — 132.32.201.8 — link — abuse?
Bevo Boy you can't be serious do you really think the big XII, ACC, and the abysmall(spelling?) Big East could Hang with the Pac-10?
Alright the OK schedule comment was a bit over the line but Hawaii can't play teams not on thier schedule, no I don't actually think thier schedules comparable but I am a Sooner hater.
Conference Schools Record Percentage
06-07 bowls
Big East (5) Cin,Lou,Rut,USF,WV 5-0 1.000MWC (4) BYU,NM,TCU,Utah 3-1 .750
WAC (4) BSU,Haw,Nev,SJS 3-1 .750SEC (9) Ark,Ala,Aub,Fla,Ga,Ky,LSU,Ten,SC 6-3 .666
ACC (8) BC,Clem,FSU,GT,Mary,Mia,VT,WF 4-4 .500
Pac-10 (6) ASU,Cal,Ore,OSU,UCLA,USC 3-3 .500
Sun Belt (2) M.Tenn,Troy 1-1 .500Big 12 (8) KSt,Mis,Neb,OU,OSU,Tex,TexA&M,TT 3-5 .375
Big Ten (7) Iowa,Mich,Minn,OSU,PSU,Pur,Wis 2-5 .286
MAC (4) CMich,NIU,Ohio,WMich 1-3 .250
C-USA (5) EC,Hou,Rice,SMiss,Tul 1-4 .200
Independents (2) Navy,ND 0-2 .000
Maybe the Big East is the best conf followed by the Mount. WestLOL, clearly this does not mean a lot (as it doesn't compute the quality of the opponent) but I found it interesting
chanman33 said:
posted on December 5, 2007 9:10 PM — 132.32.201.8 — link — abuse?
Wait a sec I never said the Mount West could hang with the big XII (maybe they can fact is we don`t know) but i think they stand a better chance then the Big East, where WVU is the only team worth anything.
My Conf Rankings (applies to this year only)
1)Pac-10 (when Ore and UCLA were healthy)
2)SEC (probably number one right now)
3)Big XII
4)Big X
5)ACC
6)Mount West
7)Big East
8)WAC
9)Conf USA
10)MAC
11)Sun Belt
chanman33 said:
posted on December 5, 2007 10:03 PM — 132.32.201.8 — link — abuse?
Anyway sadly a playoff will never happen.
But a plus one BCS could and just may after 2011 plus one system would be getting rid of the title game and playing 4 BCS bowls but then when the rankings came out AFTER the bowls the top 2 teams play each other. This may not solve all problems (EX: LSU, OU, USC, and Hawaii all win this year than there would still be a debate) but it is much better than the current system.
Tomcat said:
posted on December 5, 2007 10:17 PM — 68.93.140.127 — link — abuse?
chanman 33 post #202 explains alot.Too bad the Ducks lack depth at certain positions.I was impressed with yalls early season victories over Houston & Michigan. I have to admit that you cant be all bad if you hate the Sooners. No wonder you want to bring up anceint history like post 200, that was the year that yall beat OU with some help from the pac refs.It was great fun to watch coach Stoops rant & rave about the officiating, and now as aresult the Refs are scared of OU, like in the A&M game when the man's knee was down, they still called it a fumble & OU's ball.
Even though we all watched it over and over the refs had to call it OU's way because the game was in Norman and they probably feared for their saftey had they called it in A&M's favor.
Post # 205
#1 XII
#2 SEC
#3 Big-East
#4 Big Ten
#5 ACC
#6 C-USA
#7 Mt West TCU beat Stanford
#8 WAC
#9 Pac-10 #1 team lost to Stanford
#10 Sun Belt
# 11 MACchanman33 said:
posted on December 5, 2007 10:28 PM — 132.32.201.8 — link — abuse?
Tomcat yes it is too bad we lack depth at QB, RB, Off line I mean if we had like 7 more ppl who could have stepped up when the starters went down we would be 11-1, wait 11-1 would have happened if Dixon didn`t go down. Also there would be no heisman debate because he would be the clear choice.
I understand that the games in the Pac-10 are on after most of you eastern people are in bed but you act like you don't even wacth highlights the next day by the way the 7TH team in the pac-10, Cal beat Ten. more easily than LSU did.
Buckeye 4 Ever said:
posted on December 5, 2007 11:05 PM — 65.60.236.132 — link — abuse?
chanman33 (#203),
I totally agree with you concerning Dixon, the Heisman and an 11-1.
Of all the football players this year, he was the most important to his team.
I tried many a Saturday night/early Sunday morning to watch, the PAC-10 games. But, more times than not, I fell asleep.
Sunday morning on ESPN College Game Day Final, I believe was taped, before many west coast games had concluded.
Then by 9-10am (EST), they are gearing up for the NFL...
Tomcat said:
posted on December 5, 2007 11:57 PM — 68.93.140.127 — link — abuse?
Hey chanman Look dude the way I see it ya gotta do the best ya can with what you've got. Injuries are part of the game, and as a Longhorn fan we have seen more than our fair share.
Look I think its kinda funny that on this site alot of folks, got this my conf is better B/S going on I for one could care less. Looking foward to some great bowl matchups and it looks like the Pac has got it made.
USC vs ILL
BYU vs UCLA
CaL vs A F
Maryland vs Oreg St
USF vs UO
UT vs AZ st
The XII has some really tough ones
Texas A&M vs Penn St
Oklahoma vs West Virg
Alabama vs Colo
Missu vs Arkansas
UVA vs Texas Tech
KU vs V Tech
OK St vs Indiana
Look like some purty tough matchups-ought to be an exciting bowl season-good luck
BTW I dont really live back east-South Central Texas, is east if your on the left coast, your right that CFB fans tend to be regional and I really dont watch many Pac-10 games, tend to focus primarly on XII and C-USA games.
How about Houston vs TCU call me a homer
Hookem-Horns
SEC-1stepaboveeveryoneelse said:
posted on December 6, 2007 1:05 PM — 216.96.150.137 — link — abuse?
im not even going to go into what could be a 14 page essay on how college football knowledge-disabled most of y'all are.
Im just going to ask 1 question.
Whether you like the Pac-10 (aka USC) the Big East, The big XII, The Big Ten (hahha that was a typo whoops) the ACC, or the Japanese Missionaries League JML, please all of you give me some supporting details of why the SEC is not the best and has been the best conference in the nation, please I really wanna hear this.
JG #11
SEC-1stepaboveeveryoneelse said:
posted on December 6, 2007 1:08 PM — 216.96.150.137 — link — abuse?
im not even going to go into what could be a 14 page essay on how college football knowledge-disabled most of y'all are.
Im just going to ask 1 question.
Whether you like the Pac-10 (aka USC) the Big East, The big XII, The Big Ten (hahha that was a typo whoops) the ACC, or the Japanese Missionaries League JML, please all of you give me some supporting details of why the SEC is not the best and has been the best conference in the nation, please I really wanna hear this.
JG #11
SEC-1stepaboveeveryoneelse said:
posted on December 6, 2007 1:25 PM — 216.96.150.137 — link — abuse?
Georgia limped into that game and was the youngest team in the SEC predicted to finish 4th in the east, and still played in the dome.
Arkansas was unranked USC was #6
If ASU or USC played either LSU, Georgia, Florida, Arkansas this year, hell even Tennessee the way they are playing and possibly UK they would get beat.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 6, 2007 2:22 PM — 216.46.213.124 — link — abuse?
SEC-1stepaboveeveryoneelse.......
California beat Tennessee 45-31........Tennessee went on to beat Georgia and make it into the SEC championship, where Tennessee put up a good effort losing by 7.........Cal on the other hand went on to lose to Oregon State, UCLA, Arizona State, USC, Washington, and Stanford...........
West Virginia beat a 7-5 Mississippi state SEC team 38-13..........
Alabama lost to UL Monroe........yes this was the same Crimson tide who beat Tennessee 41-17.......and took Georgia to OT.........
Last bowl season the SEC went 1-2 in post season play vs the Big 10 which is thought to be the weakest of the BCS conferences.......even Arkansas who was good enough to make it into the SEC championship game could not overcome the Wisconsin Badgers...........and January 1 2007 9-3 Penn State beat 9-3 Tennessee 20-10............
To say any one conference is hands down better over another is sheer ignorance.
VTBobb
posted on December 6, 2007 2:41 PM — 74.1.112.66 — link — abuse? said:
M GO BLUE, spot on. Conference strengths fluctuate from year to year. This isn't 20 or 30 years ago; the playing field is evening out.
And don't talk about National Championships beyond the last 2 years (unless you want to try to convince everyone Notre Dame is still a powerhouse because of the championships they won).
IMHO, the elite of any given confernce would probably be pretty competitive in any other conference. Of course, familiarity breads contempt, and usually a pretty good game plan too. Which is why conference members often beat up on each other, regardless of rankings.SEC-1stepaboveeveryoneelse said:
posted on December 6, 2007 3:01 PM — 216.96.150.137 — link — abuse?
how dominant is Miami right now?....Yea they were dominatant,...because they went and pulled convicts out of the Dade County Penitentiary who like to brawl and stomp on people,...that program has no positive forseeable future for at least 5-6 years
SEC 8 Nat'l Champs since 1980 (Not playing an ACC or Big East conference schedule 'canes)
SEC-1stepaboveeveryoneelse said:
posted on December 6, 2007 4:55 PM — 216.96.150.137 — link — abuse?
Ok candy cane here
-The SEC holds an 245-114-10 (.678) all-time advantage against the ACC.
Since 1990, the SEC leads the ACC in head-to-head games with a 65-50-2 (.564) record.
-The SEC leads the Big Ten with a 63-45-2 all-time record.
-The SEC leads the Big 12 in all-time head-to-head match-ups with an 17-15-0 (.531) record. Against the Big 12's predecessor (the Big Eight) the SEC had a 43-43-6 (.500) record.
-The SEC leads the Pac-10 59-36-5 (.615).
Since 1990, the SEC leads by a much closer 10-9 (.526).
-Big East with a 17-13 (.567) advantage. All of these games occurred after 1990.
"The question wasn't how dominant Miami is or was...you said the SEC has been the best conference. I was simply pointing out that they haven't been."- Miami Criminal Stress Clinic (The U)-FanCFB Fan said:
posted on December 6, 2007 5:30 PM — 192.131.99.130 — link — abuse?
SEC-1stepaboveeveryoneelse,
If you used the college football data warehouse.com. You took absolutely no time in your research, with all kinds of holes in your quick results.
The SEC was formed in 1933.
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Louisiana St.
Mississippi
Mississippi St.
Tennessee
VanderbiltHow about the below schools for the following years only?
Georgia Tech: 1933-1964
Sewanee: 1933-1941
Tulane: 1933-1966
Arkansas: 1992-Present
South Carolina: 1992-PresentYou need to consider all the other conferences, alignments and members for these time frames (year to year) to be EXACT.
Also, a friend of mine who creates one of the BCS computer polls has told me many times, that the "data at the College Football Data Warehouse is not all accurate."
Try doing some real research...
SilverBulletD
posted on December 6, 2007 5:38 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
If your not an SEC fan there is no point talking. You are a moron and cannot possible know anything about Football.
Or like Autigerman told me,
"Since you are obviously an SEC football hater and no matter what was said you would twist it to suit your needs."Yet no matter what you say most SEC fans twist it to fit their needs.
These blogs aren't even fun to debate on anymore. Good luck to you all!!
CFB Fan said:
posted on December 6, 2007 6:06 PM — 192.131.99.130 — link — abuse?
@228
SEC-1stepaboveeveryoneelse,
You know more about SEC and/or college football than me.
On another post http://www.fanblogs.com/wac/007371.php you failed to get the following (@90) correct:
* You failed to record all of Alabama's MNC's?
1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, 1979 & 1992 = 7 more!!!* Technically, the Heisman won by George Rogers of South Carolina, was before they joined the SEC in 1992.
* Brigham Young’s, Ty Detmer won the 1990 Heisman when BYU was still a member of the Western Athletic Conference.
* Also, Brigham Young won the 1984 MNC as a member of the Western Athletic Conference.
Little kid, I think I hear your mama telling you to get of the computer and get you homework done!
posted on December 6, 2007 6:57 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
SEC1step and Coondawg: Why don't you both leave this site and go to one designed more for people your age and leave the adults in peace? I'm asking politely.
Keep up comments like @231 and you'll get thrown into the fanblogs jail.
OU Fan said:
posted on December 6, 2007 7:49 PM — 84.146.55.46 — link — abuse?
chanman 33 post #202, how can you argue that Oklahoma was not robbed? To me, its seem like it would be hard especially when the Pac-10 commissioner apologized to the University of Oklahoma. And here is a little copy and past for ya. According to Pac-10 commissioner Jim Hansen, "The fact that the errors on the onside kick altered the outcome of the game is most unfortunate and unsettling." Chanman33, he even said "Errors clearly were made and not corrected, and for that we apologize to the University of Oklahoma, Coach Bob Stoops and his players. They played an outstanding college football game, as did Oregon, and it is regrettable that the outcome of the contest was affected by the officiating." BOOMER SOONER!
OU Fan said:
posted on December 6, 2007 8:06 PM — 84.146.55.46 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, neither Pac-10 referees nor any other conference referees are scared of Oklahoma. In fact, I think they all hate Oklahoma. And Tomcat, I agree that the fumble in the ATM game might have been a bad call, but what does it matter, Oklahoma went on to win 42-14. And as to your post #211, the Big 12 does have some tough ones. All of those games have the chance to go either way. BOOMER SOONER!
Zac said:
posted on December 6, 2007 10:53 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
I'm not going to bother discussing whether or not the Big East can hang with the ACC, Big-12, Big-10, Pac-10, or SEC, nor shall I get into a discussion as to which conference is the best. I could really care less, to be perfectly honest. All I care about is my team doing well. No, they don't have to be perfect; they don’t have to go undefeated; dare I say it, they don't even have to win a NC. What ever game they're in, all I ask is that they give it their best shot. Well, as we all know, that don't always happen either. But hey, that's college football.
So, without further adue, chanman33, you wanna replace the Big East with the Mountain West, lets do a little comparison. I think you’ll have to agree; the numbers don’t lie.
The Big East Vs. The Mountain West
Total # of Teams/Conference
Big East: 8 Mountain West: 9
Total # of Teams Bowl Eligible
Big East: 6 Mountain West: 5
Top-5 Teams/Conference
Big East: WVU (10-2), UConn (9-3), S FL (9-3), Cincinnati (9-3), Rutgers (7-5)
Mountain West: BYU (10-2), AFA (9-3), Utah (8-4), NM (8-4), TCU (7-5)
Top-5 Teams & Their Schedule’s Won/Loss Record
Big East: WVU (75-69), Cincinnati (72-72), S FL (84-60), UConn (70-73), Rutgers (79-64), Total: 380-338Mountain West: BYU (75-71), AFA (67-76), Utah (70-74), NM (64-79), TCU (66-78), Total 342-378
In effect, the Big East has a higher percentage of bowl-eligible/bowl-fairing teams, has a higher percentage with winning records, has more teams with over-all better records, and enjoys this success against an over-all tougher schedule. Sorry, chanman33, but I think we have to vote your idea off the island.Bevo Boy (You had one good comment already.), Gator Mates, MGoBlue, OU-Fan, OU-Ron,Tomcat, T-Mac, VTBob, thoughts anyone?
Zac said:
posted on December 6, 2007 10:56 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
I'm not going to bother discussing whether or not the Big East can hang with the ACC, Big-12, Big-10, Pac-10, or SEC, nor shall I get into a discussion as to which conference is the best. I could really care less, to be perfectly honest. All I care about is my team doing well. No, they don't have to be perfect; they don’t have to go undefeated; dare I say it, they don't even have to win a NC. What ever game they're in, all I ask is that they give it their best shot. Well, as we all know, that don't always happen either. But hey, that's college football.
So, without further adue, chanman33, you wanna replace the Big East with the Mountain West, lets do a little comparison. I think you’ll have to agree; the numbers don’t lie.
The Big East Vs. The Mountain West
Total # of Teams/Conference
Big East: 8 Mountain West: 9
Total # of Teams Bowl Eligible
Big East: 6 Mountain West: 5
Top-5 Teams/Conference
Big East: WVU (10-2), UConn (9-3), S FL (9-3), Cincinnati (9-3), Rutgers (7-5)
Mountain West: BYU (10-2), AFA (9-3), Utah (8-4), NM (8-4), TCU (7-5)
Top-5 Teams & Their Schedule’s Won/Loss Record
Big East: WVU (75-69), Cincinnati (72-72), S FL (84-60), UConn (70-73), Rutgers (79-64), Total: 380-338Mountain West: BYU (75-71), AFA (67-76), Utah (70-74), NM (64-79), TCU (66-78), Total 342-378
In effect, the Big East has a higher percentage of bowl-eligible/bowl-fairing teams, has a higher percentage with winning records, has more teams with over-all better records, and enjoys this success against an over-all tougher schedule. Sorry, chanman33, but I think we have to vote your idea off the island.Bevo Boy (You had one good comment already.), Gator Mates, MGoBlue, OU-Fan, OU-Ron,Tomcat, T-Mac, VTBob, thoughts anyone?
Tomcat said:
posted on December 6, 2007 11:02 PM — 68.93.140.127 — link — abuse?
Hey OU Ron at least some folks can be somewhat respectful, thanks man. I tend to disagree with you a little bit, I honestly beleive that the UO vs OU game last year made a huge impact on officiating staffs nation wide. The tapes have been studyed and used as an example of what not to do.Looks like even though this game and its officiating negatively impacted the results of the game and OU's season,that something positive happened. The officials that call a game in Norman OK are totally aware of their location and are probably more cautious and hesitant in their flag throwing.They realize that they are officiating a game with a national impact broadcast on television to millions of veiwers and fans. Those officials would probably much rather work a Baylor vs Rice game than a OU vs A&M game.
That particular call that I refered to earlier in the A&M game, is just one of those things that happens in most games, mistakes happen on both sides. Oklahoma went on to win the game, however that particular call had a huge impact on the result and the momentum of the game.
good luck in yalls bowl
Hookem-Horns
Adios Tomcatchanman33 said:
posted on December 6, 2007 11:13 PM — 132.32.201.8 — link — abuse?
OU Ron, I say "claim you were robbed" because if you really were as good as you say the bad call (and yes I admit it was) should not have decided the game you should have beaten us down.
And as to the Mount West thing, unless two teams play the exact same sched you can't compare thier records only because you can't beat who you don't play. I personally believe from watching a lot of mountain west football (as my brother goes to the AFA and my dad graduated from BYU also my best friend graduated from Utah) that they are better than the big east (WVU the exception).
By the way the reason I'm a Duck fan is I grew up in Eugene. In case you were wondering by where my family went to school.
Tomcat said:
posted on December 6, 2007 11:20 PM — 68.93.140.127 — link — abuse?
Hey Zac Good post dude,you can blog with the best man. Hey man this chanman 33 and coondog 1 ought to get together.They could pull their resourses and go to battle against all comers including TE -AKA Les Jr. and Lennie.
Peace out its all good
WAC,Mt West-Big East OK, but I'm ready for
Houston vs TCU any predictions?chanman33 said:
posted on December 6, 2007 11:41 PM — 132.32.201.8 — link — abuse?
ok i see coondawg now in WAC blog.
Anyway one more point MWC top teams can't get any better non conf games because the BCS conferences don't want to play a BYU or a Utah, (they might lose) they want to pay a team large sums of cash to play that they will demolish (Michigan just chose to fight the little guy who had a gun behind his back)
OU-Ron
posted on December 7, 2007 7:27 AM — 72.198.24.199 — link — abuse? said:
Tomcat, looks like I'm gonna have to change my name--I think you and chanman are getting me mixed up with OU Fan, his post are a little calmer than mine tend to be, especially when it comes to the Oregon game. I will change the name as soon as I can....
Zac said:
posted on December 7, 2007 10:36 AM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Hey, Tomcat, thanks for the props. Though, it doesn't look as if chanman33 is listening.
If I had to make a wager, and taking BYU & WVU completely out of the equation, I'd have to say the bottom 7 of the Big East (with the exception of maybe Syracuse, this year) would easily dominate the Top-7 of the Mt. West. If we put BYU back into the equation, Cinci, S FL, & UConn would do no worse than 50:50 against the Cougars, and I'm betting S FL would win the majority of their games with BYU.
I would honestly like to see the Mid-Majors get better. In fact, I'm more or less coming around to GattorHippy's idea of 8 major conferences, where-by conference champions go to a play-off using the bowl system. With the "Big 6" as they are now, which other 2 would emerge? We can only guess.
posted on December 7, 2007 11:00 AM — 150.176.192.1 — link — abuse? said:
I just posted this in the WAC page, but it fits very well here in this discussion.
SEC: 1.166
Pac 10: 0.954
Big East: 0.876
Big 12: 0.807
ACC: 0.795
Big 10: 0.709MWC: -0.009
WAC: -0.706
MAC: -1.073
IND: -1.097
C-USA: -1.155
Sun Belt: -1.267This is not how the conference compairisons have been in years past. Usually the distribution is more normal with the Big East, MWC, WAC and C-USA very close near the middle.
Usually it looks more like the following:
SEC
Pac 10/ACC
Big 12/Big 10
Big East/MWC
WAC/C-USA/Independents
MAC
Sun Beltconferences on the same line are usually close, but in the order from left to right.
The Big East had a great start of the season in non conference play this year. The WAC and C-USA faired worse than usual in non conference play.
This left the MWC in a huge gap between the haves and the have nots this year.
Zac said:
posted on December 7, 2007 11:04 AM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
VTBobb, I'll give that one a try, though it may take a bit. You see, one has to take into account a team playing a ranked team at that time, a team which may not have been ranked pre- or post-season.
It's like, when LSU lost at KY. KY was ranked 17th at the time. Conversely, when OR St lost at Cinci, neither team was ranked. I think I'll just shoot for out-of-conference results and compare that with out-of-conference "majors" results. Lets see how that turns out. Back in a bit.
Zac said:
posted on December 7, 2007 1:05 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
OK: Since, and including, the 2005 season, through, and including, this season (includes bowl games)...
The Big East is 82/35 over-all non-conference, and 26/29 against the 6 major conferences.
By comparison, the MWC is 55/53 over-all non-conference, and 19/27 against the 6 major conferences.
Through this same period, the Big East is 2/1 against the MWC.
This information came from ESPN; by all means, check my math. Otherwise, I still say chanman33's idea gets thrown off the island.
Cowbell05 said:
posted on December 7, 2007 2:45 PM — 74.227.46.95 — link — abuse?
In my opinion, if it wasn't LSU and OSU in the title game then it should have been OSU and Georgia...But LSU was my first choice...They lost 2 games in TRIPLE OVERTIME in the best conference in college football...I can't wait!
chanman33 said:
posted on December 7, 2007 5:39 PM — 132.32.201.8 — link — abuse?
Ok here is the thing, the MWC is not as good top to bottom as the Big East but I am pretty certain the top 3 teams from the MWC can compete quite well in the Big East. And if you ask any college football analyst they will agree that the Big East is the worst of the BCS conferences. Now this year the MWC did not have any good non conference games so they took a hit on BCS ratings, the Big East had more becuase of how teams like Rutgers have done recently.
The reason I think they can compete is not because of any stats or other BS like that but comes from actually watching a lot of MWC and Big east football. I know that most people aren`t able to watch the MWC because they are not a BCS conf. so thier games aren't televised. Now from watching these games I believe BYU and WVU would be an outstanding game as would USF and Utah or Cin/UConn and AFA. Ask anyone what the stats said about Stanford vs. Cal or Kentucky vs LSU or Mich vs App St. or Ohio St. vs Illi. No stats never did prove anything.
Zac said:
posted on December 7, 2007 10:24 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Chanman33 (Post 252), now you're starting to make sense. I can agree with the MWC being competitive. I can agree that games between the Big East & MWC would be entertaining and reflect that competitiveness. There are good teams in the MWC; there are even teams which appear to be up-and-coming. And, I can agree that stats don't tell the whole truth, that the same stats used to support an argument can be used to refute it.
BYU & the AFA have been 2 fairly consistent teams. Utah was terrific, when Meyer was there. Still, they've been BYU's "Pitt" year after year. TCU has had a couple of outstanding years, but have fallen a little short of late. This year, even NM has stepped up. I cannot imagine any team in the Big East turning away an opportunity to play any of them. But other than these, what does the MWC have?
Since 2001, the MWC has had no more than 4 teams in bowls/season. This, in effect, has been an outstanding year for the MWC in that regard. By comparison, 75% of Big East teams are bowl eligible. Only the SEC & Big-Ten boast a better percentage; the Big-12 is equal.
Now, I don't really care which of the Big-6 conferences are better. I could care if the Big East ranks 4th, 5th, or even 6th. All I'm interested in is that the Big East does well out-of-conference, and its teams represent the Big East well in bowls. (Well, there is this thing I have for WVU, but hey…)
I honestly think wheels have been set into motion for the feasibility of a Div-1 play-off system, sometime in our future. I have a feeling it will involve conference champions. If the MWC can continue to get the attention they've been getting by its teams getting it done on the field, I see no reason why their champion wouldn't be a part of that system.
Just do me one favor. Quit picking on the Big East. I have a hard enough time defending them against all the GatorMates, let alone one fan from the Mt. West. Best of luck to AFA, BYU, NM, TCU, and Utah this bowl season.
Tomcat said:
posted on December 7, 2007 10:45 PM — 68.93.140.127 — link — abuse?
#243 OU Ron Sorry Ron youre right my mistake.
I'll try not to let it happen again.No name change needed. BTW I gave up tobacco Sunday after over 30 years- aint been myself lately.
You are right OU Fan's post are entirely different than yours.
Hookem-Horns
Adios Tomcatchanman33 said:
posted on December 8, 2007 1:56 AM — 24.111.220.47 — link — abuse?
Yes I did mean Stanford and USC, not Cal. My mistake.
Here's an idea I put together from scraping other peoples ideas and putting them together.
1st keep the 6 BCS conf. the same conf. But make every conf. have 12 teams meaning the Pac-10 would need to add 2 teams, The Big-10 1 team, (they call it Big-10 yet they have 11 teams) and the Big East would need 4 more. The 7 teams I would add (no particular order or conf. to be added to)
1)Notre Dame (although they probably would be hard to convince to join a conf)2)Boise St
3)BYU
4)AFA
5)Utah
6)Houston
7)Bowling Green
Other potential Teams: Hawaii, Tulsa, UCF, and Fresno St.2nd all teams must have a conf title game
3rd the 6 BCS conf. and 2 at large schools go to a playoff. Based on the rankings 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, 3 vs 6, 4 vs 5 play the first round and each school gets the same amount of money as the 4 non title BCS bowl teams get. The money for the title game is then spread out over the next two rounds
I think that you could get the Conf and school officials to support this format as thier is potential for them to get a lot more money (let's face it that's what they really care about)
Anyway let me know what you all think or if you have different teams then the 7 I came up with as I am partial to the MWC. (obvious if you've read my posts)
Tomcat said:
posted on December 8, 2007 9:27 PM — 68.93.140.127 — link — abuse?
#242 chanman33 Ya your right they are scared of UTah and BYU. They are also scared of Hawaii and Bois St according to one former blogger now refered to as flew over the coocoo's nest.
# 257 you have some good ideas and I agree that maybe in the future the system can change. I have often thought that schools like TCU for example would not have the same kind of success if they were in a BCS conference and that schools like Baylor would do alot better in the Sunbelt or C-USA. The whole idea of[BCS] conf and non-[BCS] conf is rediculas and that Div 1-A is Div-1-A.
To have say 10 conferences with 12 teams each and each team having a chance at the ulimate goal just makes too much sense.
Adios Tomcat
Sorry about #240 I apoligize to you, Lennie and TE, yall are in a different catagory entireley
we can disagree and still be somewhat half -ss respectful of one another
Bevo Boy said:
posted on December 10, 2007 5:25 PM — 207.200.116.5 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, your post about in #259 about #257, I couldn't have put that any better, although I think that TCU would do better than you're saying, maybe not every year, but most of the time I think they would get to about 7-5. I know that's where they are this year in a non-BCS conference, but I think that they could do fairly well MOST of the time.
ErinK
posted on December 21, 2007 12:43 PM — 64.15.102.30 — link — abuse? said:
Ok so first of all I don't think Ohio State even deserves the championship Bowl game, I am so tired of USC and Ohio State...What happened to the Oklahama's and Ku's??? The Big 12 was representing and now they fall apart. Out bowl pool at work has started and its sad to see the end of college football, we all use this sport site to track all our bowls and stats for each game in real time. Only if the big 12 were a little better off this year I would have some more smack talking to do. Boo Ohio State!!!
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posted on December 21, 2007 2:56 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Yea, not going to fall for the banana in the tail pipe. Especially after that Nigerian oil minister failed to wire me back all those millions and that exchange student in Prague didn't send me all those pics she had taken of her and her roommate after I had given her my credit card number...
:-)Tomcat said:
posted on December 21, 2007 6:49 PM — 68.93.140.127 — link — abuse?
#270 Heck all you have to do is fly to London and pay a guy 12,000 US and you'll become a multi-millionare, I'm waiting for my big screen delivery right now as I lose weight and make fortunes giving out personel info and sending out envelopes with 1 dollar bills in them, saying add my name to the list pyramind skeems that have to work based upon percentages of folks that foward them.
I gotta go right now and buy some goverenment surplus for pennies on the dollar and check on my new rental property with no money down.
Adios Tomcat
Where's Coondawg?Tomcat said:
posted on December 21, 2007 7:18 PM — 68.93.140.127 — link — abuse?
OU-Ron I didnt know, thanks for the info
I've been there,place really sux
BTW coach Tommie Tubs is posting on another thread, I really feel honoured to have read his jiberish, I got to gome help OJ find the real killers, they are not on any golf courses and the strategy has changed to Hotels & CasinosTomcat said:
posted on December 22, 2007 10:50 AM — 68.93.140.127 — link — abuse?
Way to go Kev, you the man
you put the cydectin down the cows back
and now its parasite free
To the other guys on here thanks for alerting the dog and protecting the herd from the coyotes who lerk in the shadows
Merry Christmas
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Kevin Donahue 
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posted on December 2, 2007 7:39 PM — link — abuse?Comments now open. Enjoy!