March 26, 2008
Proposed St Pete Bowl to pair Big East & C-USA
ESPN has petitioned the NCAA for approval for a new bowl game to be held in St. Petersburg, Florida, pairing the Big East and Conference USA. The new game - if approved - would give the Big East seven bowl possibilities for the conference's eight teams.
The choice of St Pete gives ESPN two potential "host teams" within 2 hours of the stadium - South Florida from the Big East and Central Florida from C-USA.
The game, to be televised on ESPN or ESPN2, would pit teams from the Big East Conference and Conference USA and is tentatively scheduled for Sunday night, Dec. 21.
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"We're involved in a process which requires NCAA bowl committee certification before anything is official,” Derzis said. “We have a tentative plan in place and continue to work on that plan with a number of stakeholders in the market. St. Petersburg is extremely attractive and our potential conference partners have indicated a desire for a Florida experience."The St. Petersburg bowl would make the Tampa Bay area the fifth community to host two bowl games along with Orlando (Champs Sports, Capital One), New Orleans (New Orleans, Sugar); Phoenix/Glendale, Ariz. (Insight, Fiesta); and San Diego (Poinsettia, Holiday).
The Outback Bowl, played at Raymond James Stadium, has been held annually in Tampa since 1986.
Two years ago, Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese told the Tampa Tribune about an interest in starting a bowl game in St. Petersburg. However, it was expected it wouldn’t begin until the league’s current bowl agreements end after the 2009 season.
After the NCAA is presented with the proposed bowl game information for the St. Petersburg bowl, the NCAA’s bowl committee certification can approve the bowl by late April.
The addition of the St. Petersburg bowl would give the eight-team Big East seven bowls in 2008 along with the BCS, Gator/Sun, Meineke Car Care, Texas, International and Papajohns.com.
If approved, the St. Petersburg bowl will become the third collegiate bowl in the Tampa Bay area, joining the Outback Bowl and the defunct Cigar Bowl, held in Tampa from 1947 to 1954.
Comments:
gatorhippy
posted on March 26, 2008 10:19 PM — 70.121.155.98 — link — abuse?
said:
Over the past siz seasons ('02 - '07), the BE has had seven teams qualify (.500 or better) for bowl games a grand total of ZERO times...
As a matter of fact...
Over that time span, three times the BE failed to qualify more than 5 teams in an 8 team conference...
The BE has no need for another bowl tie in...
Tomcat said:
posted on March 26, 2008 10:44 PM — 69.148.175.44 — link — abuse?
#2 Good point, and arent some of these tie-ins kinda flexable-Help me guys- For example last years Texas Bowl featured M West vs C-USA
TCU vs Houston
No Big E invite
I believe that some others like Gator also alternate somewhat
Adios TomcatDon V said:
posted on March 26, 2008 11:14 PM — 97.100.9.74 — link — abuse?
We're not even talking about a good venue. It's barely passable for baseball (St. Pete's talking about a new stadium); it's really just a big mausoleum.
Could the Tampa Bay area support two bowls - sure, but not at the Trop.
War Eagle Atlanta
posted on March 27, 2008 3:39 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Once West Virginia has exhausted White and Devine, I think you can probably pencil them in for a few years running...
Possible Bowl Names:
The Retirement Bowl
The What We're Really Hoping For is a Match-Up of Two Florida Teams Bowl
The Hey All You Yankees Come on Down Bowl
The We'll Even Let You Have a Basketball Tournament While You're Here Bowl
The Maybe When the Big East Folds We Can Get an SEC Tie-In Bowl
The What Do You Mean Boston College Joined the ACC Bowl
The US Airways Has Eight Non-Stop Flights Daily Out of Pittsburgh to Tampa Bowl
The New Orleans Has Two Bowls and So Should We Bowl
The There's Really No City Named Tampa Bay Bowl
The We'll Paint the Baseball Diamond Dirt in Festive Holiday Colors Bowl
Okay. That's all I got...
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 27, 2008 11:11 PM — 76.100.57.43 — link — abuse?
WEA,
I love it. At first all we heard was: "as soon as Pat White and Steve Slaton leave".... Now it has become: "as soon as White and Devine are exhausted", what's next? As soon as Logan Heastie and Tajh Boyd graduate? or As soon as Jarrett Brown and Terence Kerns leave? Yes...no....maybe?
I'm liking this trend I am seeing myself.....Keep'em coming;)War Eagle Atlanta
posted on March 28, 2008 10:59 AM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Diggs: Sorry. It'll have to end with White and Devine. That's all the players on the team that I know...
I was going to say As soon as Rich Rodirquez left but he already did...
For the record, I don't think I ever said anything about White and Slayton. Well...wait. Maybe I did?
War Eagle Atlanta
posted on March 28, 2008 12:25 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Just suffice it to say that there's a (insert name of new St. Pete bowl here)bowl in the Mountaineer's near future...
Just like there's a Capital Won (or loss) and Music City Loser Bowl in Auburn's future...
Still holding out for the Gators and the Fighting Zookers matching up in a Florida Bowl somewhere soon.
Regan said:
posted on March 28, 2008 2:08 PM — 75.182.53.208 — link — abuse?
I'm apparently the only one that really isn't bothered by more bowl games.
It gives kids the chance to play another games and have a fun week after a year of hard practice and 12 games, as compared to the 30+ in NCAA Basketball.
It gives fans a chance to have a small holiday trip, cheer on their team one last time before the agony of life outside of CF season.
It stimulates the economies of many of these cities, and lets them promote themselves in unique ways guaranteed to get the attention of a national audience.
And it hurts no one. Well, at least no one that wouldn't get the Sugar Bowl and New Orleans Bowl confused when it comes to prestige.
Having said that, it's a good thing knowing WEA always has a great list of names for the cities to use in case they can't think of one...
As far as the Big East tie-in goes, yall hit the nail on the head - they wanted a tie-in that would give them their pick of the teams that would likely take the place of the Big East's #7 pick.
Regan said:
posted on March 28, 2008 9:18 PM — 208.104.91.9 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy (#12):
Well, ordinarily, I'd be with ya on that, but due to the limits on Bowls(they must have winning record, & all 7-5 teams must be filled before 6-6 teams can get at-large berth), it's really not that much of a problem.
Hey, and as I pointed out earlier, if every single team got to play in a Bowl game, who would actually suffer? No one. :-)
But you do have a point about the pizza parties - the 7th Big East seed should get the back room at the Pizza Inn and have their trophies given to them the first Friday night before the little league soccer teams get them. :-)
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 28, 2008 9:45 PM — 76.100.57.43 — link — abuse?
WEA,(#8)
Nah, YOU have not said anything about Slaton that I can recall.....What I meant by that remark was that has been the general consensus of the public for a couple of years now but was NOT specifically directed towards you. Sorry for the confusion.gatorhippy
posted on March 28, 2008 10:37 PM — 70.121.155.98 — link — abuse? said:
Diggs (#15):
You're gonna hate this but...
WVU play the last two years has been great with the exception that they can't get over the hump and into a MNC CG berth...
Given that the Eers haven't played a down post-Slaton yet, noone really knows exactly what they're going to do...
So that whole notion of them sliding back to mediocrity, as their 10-12 year histroical cycle would suggest, has yet to be seen...
Let's see what they look like at the end of the year...
Personally, I would expect them to make a BCS game again, but probably still fall short of the MNC CG...
Again...
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 28, 2008 11:58 PM — 76.100.57.43 — link — abuse?
#16,
Dickie was THE 1 and ONLY reason we didn't get to the Title game this year. Richard Cranium got "out-coached" by Dave (Friggen) Wannstache. And for good measure:...Wanny was on crutches to boot. All he had to do was throw the damn ball a few times.... and he didn't? He kept trying to run the ball to the outside when all sPitt was doing was shooting the gaps......all game long.
His ass always did pucker up so tight that one wouldn't be able to drive a needle in it with a sledgehammer when it got down to crunch-time. Pat and Steve did save him "countless times".
Now, I know that rebuttal kinda supports the "when Pat and Steve are gone" theory, but I'm not the least bit worried about our future. Coach Stew has been assembling a monster in Mo-Town since he took over the helm. Recruiting is oof to an amazing start already and Stew has replaced the Assistant Coaches and Postion Coaches with X's and O's kind of guys. Like Allstate...."we are in good hands".
Tomcat said:
posted on March 29, 2008 12:16 AM — 69.152.138.250 — link — abuse?
#11 Regan-good post- win -win for the communities involved and the two schools football programs-agreed
Look the Big E only has what 8 teams what are the odds of 50% 4 teams with an above .500 record?
G-Hip helped me with this #2
What current Bowl tie-ins does the conference already have? and I know that some of these rotate or are shared with other conferences like the Texas & Gator.
#4 as Don V says the Trop is a domed baseball venue with a capacity of what perhaps 40,000 ?
#12 I understand your point is just in jest, however for some teams just to go 7-5 during the regular season and make it to a bowl is their goal for the season. For example the 06 Rice Owls first bowl apperance in 40 years, ya they got whuped by Troy, but heck they went to a bowl.
Adios Tomcat
#5 WEA purty good list, Come on down Yankees OK
How bout the Sunshine State Indoor BowL its 70 degrees so lets go inside and play sponsered by Havatampa Cigars & Renusit Air freshenerRegan said:
posted on March 29, 2008 2:50 AM — 208.104.91.9 — link — abuse?
Tomcat (#19):
Last year's Big East results:
#1 WVU (11-2, 5-2) Beat OU in Fiesta
#2 CONN (9-4, 5-2) Lost to WF in Meineke Car Care
#3 CINC (10-3,4-3) Beat USM in PapaJohn's
#4 USF (9-4, 4-3) Lost to ORE in Sun
#5 RUTG (8-5, 3-4) Beat BALL in International
#6 LOU (6-6, 3-4) Left out
#7 PITT (5-7, 3-4) DNQ
#8 SYR (2-10, 1-6) DNQThe math indicates that there were 5x Bowl eligible teams, and Louisville got left out. It actually is likely that more than 4 teams will be eligible each year, but certainly not 7 of 8.
With the current Bowl tie-ins of: BCS, Gator/Sun, Meineke, Texas, International, and PapaJohn's.com, it seems to me that the STP Bowl is pushing this for 3 reasons:
1) With the Big East supporting them, they've got more legitimacy to get their Bowl game.
2) There is a great likelihood that they could get an attractive at-large 7-5 or 6-6 pick and are banking on it.
3) They see the Big East's Bowl lineup as being fairly weak. (Notice the huge dropoff after the Gator/Sun Bowls) They might be able to muscle their way into the #3 or #4 Big East pick.
For their part, I'm betting the Big East is backing this Bowl in order to ensure they still have plenty of Bowl destinations in they are dropped by other Bowls that aren't thrilled with the new Big East. The Gator or Meineke might see other conferences as having more attractive matchups for their ACC opponents.
Just some thoughts...
Stewart Mandel covered Bowls very well in his recent book "Bowls, Polls, and Tattered Souls". It was a great read, and I highly recommend it. (No, I was not paid for that statement :-) )
Tomcat said:
posted on March 29, 2008 3:42 AM — 69.152.138.250 — link — abuse?
Thanks Regan Yes and 2007 was an exceptional year for the Big E. Who wouldnt want to see a
Big E vs C-USA matchup sounds purty cool, What about the venue ? Have they ever had football at the Tropicana ? and if so whats the estimated seating capacity? Seems to me with the exception of a few that most Bowls are held in stadiums that hold between 60,000 to 90,000. right.
Adios Tomcat
P.S. Those UConn Huskies will host the Baylor Bears this season.
Sicem-BearsWar Eagle Atlanta
posted on March 29, 2008 12:22 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Tomcat: The Trop, being a baseball stadium, only seats 38,000, which would be about the average size of a Big Eas(y)t home game. They could probably sell the bowl game out provided they had at least one Florida team in it and combined it with a promotion like Pennant or Bat Day...
Diggs: West Virginia didn't register as a blip on the national radar again until the 2005 season, especially with the bowl win against Georgia, and W+S were the prime reasons for that, hence all the talk about what happens after them.
Now that Slayton is gone, and with a new coach, what does WVU do? Keep it going, like the last three 11-2 seasons, or slip back into mediocrity?
I don't have anything against WVU, I just think they would be better served being in a stronger conference, or have a better supporting cast in the BE. With Syracuse down the last few years, WVU has been looking like Clemson used to in the ACC before FSU showed up. True, Cincy and Louisville have made progress, but they don't have the name recognition that Pitt and Syracuse do when it comes to perception of the toughness of a conference.
Regan said:
posted on March 29, 2008 6:57 PM — 208.104.91.9 — link — abuse?
Tomcat (#22):
In all honesty, I've got to agree with you on the Big East's success in 2007; WVU and USF both held the cursed #2 ranking during the year, and Connecticut and Cincinatti each had exceptional seasons. Rutgers had a good year, despite falling short, and Louisville fell flat on their faces. So yeah, I'd put the number at 4-5 likely teams...depending on OOC schedules, though, it could be higher...
As a rule, though, I need to remember how absolutely absurd the 2007 season was when I go statistical...my bad :-)
I think the seating requirement is 30,000 to host a bowl, but I'd think the Bowl in question would want to pack as big a crowd in as they could, so 60,000+ stadiums are probably what they'd shoot for.
Regan said:
posted on March 29, 2008 7:08 PM — 208.104.91.9 — link — abuse?
War Eagle Atlanta (#23):
I understand what you meant regarding WVU in the 'weaker' Big East, but...you had to bring in Clemson in the Pre-FSU ACC...
For the sake of posterity, I must point out that in the 5 years prior to FSU's joining the ACC, Clemson did have great seasons, but then beat non-conference opponents like Penn State, Oklahoma, West Virginia, Illinois, and Florida State themselves (1989).
You're correct in your assertion, of course; I just felt compelled to point out that Clemson just had good teams back then, and didn't exclusively benefit from a weak ACC.
You know how it is when it comes to College Football. :-)
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 29, 2008 9:06 PM — 138.162.8.58 — link — abuse?
WEA,
I can't recall the last time Auburn made a run....04'? Before that? I seriously don't remember......You shouldn't have anything against WVU because even after all of the negatice publicity from the "talking heads".... we still go out there and win BCS games, have Sweet16/Elite 8 appearances etc etc etc.
Not too shabby for "lil" ol' West Virginia.....
War Eagle Atlanta
posted on March 29, 2008 9:17 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Regan: I think the analogy I was trying to use was the 'big fish, little pond' one. In the twelve seasons prior to the Seminoles' arrival, Clemson won 6 ACC titles. You guys had to go OOC to get some competition, like playing Georgia, for example. Those were some great games back in the 80s...
The ACC definitely benefited from the addition of FSU, but the Noles kind of took over, being that it coincided with the height of their great run. Now that BC and VT have joined, the ACC is a very balanced conference. It'll take a while to get some good rivalries going between some of the northern and southern schools, but it'll be good. You guys just have to get the word out that you hold a conference title game sometime in December, you know, so some folks will show up!
War Eagle Atlanta
posted on March 29, 2008 9:37 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Diggs: I'm slowly starting to like WVU a little, the more I find out. Most of their fans on here seems to be dedicated, so I can respect that.
Don't think I'm being unduly derogotory, though. Like Gatorhippy pointed out some time ago and here recently, the Eers have a run, then go dormant for a decade or so.When did Auburn have NC runs prior to 2004? 1993 and 1983, actually. They got some MNC selections both seasons, including 19 in 1983, but Miami got the only two that count, the AP and UPI. Auburn officially does not recognize those minor-selector titles though. Close, but no cigar...
CFBdatawarehouse has us ranked as the #14 ranked team in the nation during the 1970s, the #10 ranked team in the 1980s, 28th in the 1990s, and 13th so far this decade. We're not a sexy team, but we make a showing every now and then--which isn't bad, considering the conference we play in...
But getting back to my original point: what's going to happen to the Big East? Personally, I think it was the death knell when they had the three defections. Unless something extraordinary happens with the BE soon, I'm afraid they're just going to be ordinary...
Regan said:
posted on March 30, 2008 1:36 AM — 208.104.91.9 — link — abuse?
War Eagle Atlanta (#27):
Actually, the analogy was spot-on. I just felt obligated to back up Clemson's Ford-era rep just in case some others here didn't know as much about Clemson as you do.
Those were days Clemson got UGA instead of FSU, and went 10-2 almost every year. UGA and NC State got the better of us on a few occasions, as well as some team in Columbia once or twice, but it was a great era for Clemson FB.
Your point was that even just a "Good" program could have racked up the ACC wins, and you're right.
I just wanted to point out that Clemson's success came from the quality of it's teams, and wasn't just the result of easy schedules, in case there are some people still left who have no respect for WVU because they play in the Big East.
As you said, the 'Eers are a darn good team, and would do well in any conference right now.
I agree with your other points as well - FSU really re-made the ACC. The Noles' star was rising just as Clemson's began falling (the mid-90's weren't fun), and other than the Tigers, the ACC really had no other real heavyweight competition for those years.
UVA had finally begun to field good teams, and GT has always been fairly solid, but FSU dominated because they were a powerhouse in a conference that frankly needed improvement.
It worked brilliantly, something I can only say now that Clemson has finally started beating the Noles every once in a while. :-)
As far as Miami, VT, and BC, you're right - in the long term, I'm hoping that the "east coast" begins developing the kind of (FB) regional identity that the SEC has enjoyed since the Roosevelt Administration...
I'm hoping...
Regan said:
posted on March 30, 2008 1:48 AM — 208.104.91.9 — link — abuse?
War Eagle Atlanta (#28):
I must point out that 2008 is a wonderfully fascinating time for Auburn and West Virginia to lock horns.
For amusement sake, I'm looking at you and Diggs to provide lots of entertainment. :-)
I will say that I think the Big East will do alright, despite the fact I admittedly wrote them off when Miami and Virginia Tech left just like everyone else.
Connecticut and South Florida are effectively brand new programs that are aggressively (and successfully) developing their FB programs.
Louisville is still a question mark after their '07 campaign, and the legendary program at Syracuse is STILL missing in action, though.
I guess my 'gut feeling' on the Big East's likelihood of success is based on the simple fact that the Northeast is just too big and rich for their regional FB conference to lose their Automatic BCS Berth - and so long as it is a BCS conference, it will have enough clout to remain on the national stage.
IMHO...
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 30, 2008 5:10 PM — 138.162.8.58 — link — abuse?
WEA,
I'm not worried at all about our Conference as a whole. In fact a 5-0 bowl record for the 06', a 3-2 record last year, and 3 BCS victories over other Conference Champions the last 3 years is all the proof I need.People are always picking us to fail....It's not anything new....... and they're going to "EVENTUALLY" get it right "1" of these years and they'll FINALLY be able to say these 4 words: "The Big East sucks", and everyone will call them Oracles.....yippee.
gatorhippy
posted on March 31, 2008 7:03 AM — 70.121.155.98 — link — abuse? said:
Diggs (#31):
Yeah, that's great and all...
But I think the lack of respect for the BE stems from their lack of an appearance in the only post season game that matters since the defection of UCG and V-Tech...
The BE has gone 5 complete seasons without an appearance in the MNC game...
Winning a bunch of essentially exhibition games that lack meaning other than bragging rights isn't as important as winning the crystal...
Compounding the absence of a BE team making it for; at the least; an appearance in the MNCCG is the fact that over the laast two seasons a few BE teams have been in positon to make that run late but have squandered it against teams which are largely viewed as inferior to the general public...
Currently BE teams appear strong out the gate but are to prone to stumbling when the pressure turns up and are placed in must win situations...
When BE teams start winning those games and can make a run over a few years legitimately you'll more than likely see that public opinion change...
As it is right now, the BE wins some games but can't win the ones that count...
For whatever the reason...
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 31, 2008 12:53 PM — 76.100.57.43 — link — abuse?
#32,
You will be in the Oracle category.....
Yeah, nice spin on the "exhibition games" reference....Is that what you're calling them now? Funny....I thought some pretty darn good teams got to play in those games....Guess I was wrong.
(Note to self) Make sure I remember that 5 years is an eternity.
War Eagle Atlanta
posted on March 31, 2008 3:46 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Diggs: That's how they started out--the bowl games--as exhibition games. This was long before there was a concept of a 'national championship' game or even a mythical national title.
And if you're not in the big game for all the marbles, they still are exhibition games. They're not part of any playoff, so what would you call them? Don't say 'bowl games'...
Diggs, I have no clue about WVU's position when the ACC started to expand. Maybe it would have been possible for them to have joined, maybe it wasn't even considered. You guys used to belong in the Southern conference, so don't go thinking that joining the ACC would have been a regional impossibility. All I'm saying is that the Eers will probably outgrow the BE here soon...
Regan: Actually, most of the southern schools have been associated since the McKinley administration, having formed the SIAA, which eventually gave way to the Southern conference, which eventually split off into the SEC.
Auburn and Clemson were both in the Southern for about 10 years together. Clemson stayed on after the split, though. The Southern at one time had about 50 teams in it, I believe...
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 31, 2008 4:28 PM — 76.100.57.43 — link — abuse?
WEA,
Thanks but no thanks on the history lesson of college football.....They're Bowl games, that's why they're called "Bowl games".
BTW, why would we want to join the ACC Conference? Why? Why? and Why again? What's so appealing about 1 BCS victory and the fact that former Big East teams are playing for the Conference Title every year ?We'll never join the ACC never, joining the SEC would be a bigger possibility. But, as long as we keep our strong showing going year after year the Big East will always be around.
There may be more moves in the future which could ultimately be a deciding factor in us leaving the Big East for another Conference(but not to the ACC).
War Eagle Atlanta
posted on March 31, 2008 4:37 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Look at the big picture, Diggs. Yes, they're called bowl games, but what are they in effect? They don't figure in to any conference championship nor a national playoff. They're just glorified OOC games.
And there's WAY too many of them. The 'Everybody Can Win' Bowl. Yay!!!!!!
Hey, I'd like it if you called me Oracle. Or Guru. Or even Swami...
War Oracle Atlanta
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 31, 2008 4:38 PM — 76.100.57.43 — link — abuse?
Here's a pretty in depth write-up of possible conference reconfigurations in the near future.
I hope the first one does not happen though. Why you ask? Well...here's why:
1. Paul Johnson is gone.
2. Paul Johnson is gone.
Now the rest of it seems pretty reacheable.http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2008/03/football_basketball_imbalance.html
gatorhippy
posted on March 31, 2008 7:09 PM — 70.121.155.98 — link — abuse? said:
Diggs (#33):
Sure some "pretty good teams" do play in those games...
But exactly what do they count for?
An extra game to win or lose and some cash...
The real prize is at the MNC CG...
Whatever makes you feel good though, Bub...
While the BE is celebrating moral victories, the other BCS conferences will continue to celebrate competing in the MNC CG on a regular basis...
The only post season contest that matters...
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 31, 2008 8:14 PM — 76.100.57.43 — link — abuse?
#38,
I'm not going to deny that the Title game is the "big-fish". But those BCS games pit top Conference teams against one another for our excitement needs. Most of those matchups would "most likely" never happen if Bowl games were to go away.
The BCS games pack a-lot of weight going into the next season as well...considering the team doesn't lose most of its players due to graduation or the draft?
Moral victories......A moral victory was Michigan beating up on your Gators in the Capital One Bowl after losing to Appy St. earlier in the season.....Maybe Urban Myer should have watched that game film on how to beat them? It would've been a-lot less embarrassing to beat Michigan in a Scrub Bowl than to lose to them altogether.BTW, WTF is your problem anyway? You just trying to be the typical gaytorhippy this time of year? Old ladie not giving it up anymore? Viagra quit working? Let us know what's wrong with ya..
Get well soon......
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 31, 2008 8:19 PM — 76.100.57.43 — link — abuse?
Memories.......
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/alternatethumbnails/story/2008-01/34519215-01172312.jpg
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 31, 2008 8:41 PM — 76.100.57.43 — link — abuse?
I finally found the footage of gatorhippy after the Auburn game this season.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzFc9IIg7i0
Wow...what a psycho.gatorhippy
posted on March 31, 2008 9:11 PM — 70.121.155.98 — link — abuse? said:
Diggs (#39):
You hit the nail on the head, bub...
The other BCS games along with the entirety of the rest of the post season contests are exactly as you pointed out...
Entertainment and put forth for the general public for a build up...
Though, we differ at their relevance the following season...
Speaking of moral victories...
How about a little glimpse into the past of WVU fail last season...
Glad to see that instead of talking football, you have resorted to your usual antics of personal insults when you run out of reason...
What's next?
Maybe a throwback to stalking me across the world wide web again in that same mature fashion?
Grow up, chief...
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 31, 2008 9:51 PM — 76.100.57.43 — link — abuse?
#43,
How about having a general discussion on football once in a while gatorhippo.
All was good until you start taking cheap shots (as usual). You know..."moral victories" etc etc etc.
Then of course you quickly cry "foul" by Diggs. Again, right on cue....as usual.
If you want to keep it mature....then keep it mature. No petty jabs and such. If you don't want to have an adult conversation? Then we can continue on as you desire.......
WEA is more than fair with his discussions...You should try and be like him and others.You could overcome your complex if you wanted. You know the one where if someone else has a different opinion than you..... you in turn quickly throw out meaningless jabs or insults to Teams or Conferences. Yeah, that one.
Oh, I almost left out the crying foul part that follows immediately after someone fires back.You're silly......
gatorhippy
posted on March 31, 2008 10:22 PM — 70.121.155.98 — link — abuse? said:
Diggs (#16):
You almost make me want to take back the kind words I laid out to WVU in #16 in a fair and impartial way saying I expected them to be back in a BCS game again...
However...
I guess you haven't been paying atention to what is being posted in this thread...
As my comments on the BE throughout this thread have been BE football related and have not once been focused to you personally...
Unlike your immature comments about my wife and our personal relations and petty attempts to link me personally to a youtube video we all saw 8 months ago to go along with the aforementioned internet stalking and harassment of me at other sites or the posting of not-so-creative definitions in on-line slang dictionaries using a handle I sometimes use when posting of which your cowardice was qute clear as you were not even bold enough to use your own handle here; rather choosing to attempt to conceal your identity other places...
Which unfortunately, you weren't smart enough to realize your IP address is trackable even when you use a different handle...
My comments in no way mirror the lack of imagination, sophistication, and eloquency along with the crassness and immaturity of your unoriginal attempts to attack when your well of points runs dry in a debate...
I feel I am extremely fair and honest in my assessment of BE football and it's relevance to the rest of it's BCS brethren and apparently am not alone in my opinion as we can see from a quick perusal the comments above from previous threads involving similiar discussions...
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 31, 2008 10:50 PM — 76.100.57.43 — link — abuse?
Dn't give me this garbage....You say thing like "Bub"...and "moral victories" and when someone calls you out on it you come back with: "You haven't been paying attention".
Copout copout copout.....My point is that when someone will not change their stance on a topic to see it the same way gatorhippy does? You always seem to come out with these petty comments such as "Bub and moral victories" in your posts. You've always done that....
You should take your own advice and "grow up." Or at the very least be able to take some heat when you're not acting right. Your choice........
gatorhippy
posted on March 31, 2008 11:21 PM — 70.121.155.98 — link — abuse? said:
Diggs (#45):
And in what way does "Bub" or claiming winning a bowl game is a "moral victory" a personal insult to you?
Or to anybody for that matter...
And if you can't see that prior to your posted personal attacks my focus of discussion was on BE football than you haven't "been paying attention"...
That we can all see assuredly...
The difference between us, Diggs, is that I can continue to present my argument in an intelligent, concise and reasoned out process armed with a bit of cutting wit in order to keep it entertaining and playful...
While you spew vitriolic personal insults when you run out of reason...
There's a magnimous gap of difference between the two and I simply prefer to take the high road and keep the focus on football rather than responding with in kind venom of a familial nature, phallic inadequacies and stalking others down to make slanderous comments on other sites...
Whereas you seem to prefer the latter...
Not only did I point out that; outside the BCS CG; bowl victories and appointments were largely "moral victories" and rewards for decent seasons but that theory was backed up by a few more regular posters here...
That applies across the board and is largely due to the lack of a playoff system and the implementation of the BCS system which rendered those games so...
Sorry if you don't agree with that thought...
But it doesn't call for the spewing of personal insults...
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 31, 2008 11:34 PM — 76.100.57.43 — link — abuse?
How is asking you questions a personal insult?
I'm genuinely concerned about you.As for the video....eveyone needs a good laugh every once in a while.
The differnce between us is that you're a self proclaimed hippy and I'm not.
War Eagle Atlanta
posted on April 1, 2008 11:22 AM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Diggs: Your comments in posts 40-42 were childish and immature and about as far away from a legitimate debate retort than you could get. Even Bevo Boy shows more restraint than that when he's getting the business from Lennie,and Bevo is in high school.
Look, we all take little snips at each other's teams and conferences--that's to be expected. It's how you respond that is going to reflect how your fellow posters respect what you say. Talking about the BE's bowl wins as being "moral victories" is a clever little snip that demands a clever little response, not a barrage of insults.
You know how I always know that I've won an argument? When I've reduced the other person to spewing forth insults and childish remarks. Cha-ching!
And if you decide that you want to direct them at me now, just remember this: My dad can beat up your dad!
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 1, 2008 12:33 PM — 76.100.57.43 — link — abuse?
WEA,
Posts 40-42 was meant to make a few people laugh....
Obviously you have no sense of humor.....
I'm not here to win arguments....Arguing is for women.
I posted BCS wins and conference bowl records over the last few years.....not opinions. Then I get a "moral victory" remark in return? Sorry, but there's no debating BCS victories and Bowl records....and that was obvious with his remark of "moral victories" that followed shortly after.
Like I said if you crybabies want to have a serious discussion???? Leave the "little jabs" and such out of it altogether and then you won't have any reason to whine about pics and links to videos intended to help crack a smile.
I never directed 1 ill word to anyone in this thread until the hippie felt it necessary to do so himself. So cry about it....
You guys are great at it.
War Eagle Atlanta
posted on April 1, 2008 1:01 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Diggs: You were out of line. As a NCO and a gentleman, you should admit it. Moving on...
The tit and tat on here is more akin to fencing than attempting to slice someone's head off. You score points with a great defense or a deft counter attack--not the coup de grace!
If you don't learn that soon, we're going to stick you in a chat room with Coon Dawg and Irish JT and let you fight it out until you do...
Regan said:
posted on April 1, 2008 9:45 PM — 75.182.53.208 — link — abuse?
War Eagle Atlanta (#34):
The Southern Conference is really interesting, considering that it gave birth to so much tradition in the south.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Former_Southern_Conference_members
Considering that my actual alma mater is the College of Charleston, it really is kinda fascinating.
I actually found a .pdf file that had the complete SoCon History. It has been very transient, to say the least. Over 43 teams have been throuth the SoCon over the years, and at max (in 1932, just before the SEC split off), it had 23 teams.
I saved the PDF; wish I could still find it online, since I can't post it. It was called "Evolution of the Southern Conference", and was accurate as of 2004.
I guess they just gave up keeping track...
Auburn and Clemson played 8 games as conference mates in the SoCon: 1921, 1923-29. Clemson won 3, Auburn won 4, one tie.
The two teams have a heck of a lot of history, and I think...Clemson's beaten Auburn more often than not...but you don't need to check that one...
Still April 1? Good... :-)
Regan said:
posted on April 1, 2008 10:22 PM — 75.182.53.208 — link — abuse?
Diggs the Mountie (#37):
I think we're done with Conference Expansion for a while.
With the current BCS setup, the magic number is 12 teams: the minimum number of teams to allow for a Conference Championship game, and thus, that BCS money goes to feed 12 mouths...any more than 12 and the portions each school gets shrinks.
Thus, the SEC, ACC, and Big 12 are likely done.
The Big Ten and Pac-10 have no desire to enter the 21st Century at all, let alone expand (for the record, I say kudos to them...). Notre Dame is the only thing that would make the Big Ten expand, and they'd take them in a heartbeat.
Penn State could potentially make a case for bringing in Pittsburgh, but PSU going to the Big East is more likely.
I would love to see PSU go to the Big East because that's where they belong and everyone and their cousin knows it...but it will never happen.
I can easily see the Big East adding a 9th team, though. Personally, I want them to take Boston College back. BC has absolutely no business being in the ACC, and they keep beating my Clemson Tigers.
In the realm of realistic possibility, I could envision the Big East going after:
- Marshall (though I've heard WVU fans wouldn't like that...for some reason...)
- Navy/Army (it's unlikely that either would give up their independent status to face much stiffer competition)
- Central Florida (the most likely option)
They might also consider East Carolina or one of the better MAC teams, but I'd bet the Big East would love to get two teams in big Florida markets.
War Eagle Atlanta
posted on April 2, 2008 10:36 AM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Regan: Perhaps that was it--had almost 50 members cycle through it's ranks, about 23 teams in at one time.
The Southern conference should be called the 'mother' conference, since it birthed both the SEC and the ACC and still exists to this day. Hey, if you find that pdf, I'd like to read it. Let me know.
I read that article Diggs referenced earlier. Navy to the BE makes sense, but I just don't see the Big 10(11) wanting Rutgers. ND belongs in the Big 10(11), but they'll need a few more lean years to soften up their stance about conferences.
Geauxtigers0107 said:
posted on March 26, 2008 4:42 PM — 65.6.112.10 — link — abuse?Brilliant idea!!!
Another Bowl Game! WTF else am I gonna do with my holidays anyway, right?
LMAO. The rich just wanna get richer.
Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC