December 18, 2006
Spurrier shuts Bowden up in war of words
From the Wizard of Odds, Clemson's Tommy Bowden and South Carolina's Steve Spurrier are embroiled in quite the little war of words after Bowden joked about Spurrier's raise in the wake of a five-loss season.
A couple of days after USC gave Spurrier a $500,000 raise and one-year contract extension, Bowden joked about Spurrier’s new deal.
“It’s amazing how this thing works,” Bowden said, “because here I’m at a place where seven (wins) gets you fired. He’s at a place where seven (wins) gets you a raise.“I should have won seven instead of eight.”
Spurrier - never one to back down from a media fight - fired back at Bowden, questioning the Tiger coach's market value.
“If Tommy Bowden wants a raise, he should just ask his AD and president if he thinks he’s as good a coach as Mark Richt and me and Fulmer and Tuberville and those guys,” Spurrier said. “That’s the only reason I got a raise. They think I’m that good a coach. So if he wants a raise, he ought to go and say, ‘Am I as good a coach as all them guys?’”
That appears to have shut Bowden up.
Bowden declined a rebuttal Saturday."I gave y'all [newspapers] one Christmas gift," Bowden said. "No more. That's out of character for me. I gave y'all one Christmas gift last week. So you don't get anything else until next Christmas."
Score this round to the Ol' Ball Coach.
Comments:
cctke455 said:
posted on December 18, 2006 12:37 PM — 168.216.24.38 — link — abuse?
Who Cares??? Everyone knows that Rich Rod of WVU carried T. Bowden's teams in Tulane and his first few seasons at Clemson...He's still there because of his early success and his Fathers name....Spurrier is a self-made man.
Regan said:
posted on December 18, 2006 1:41 PM — 75.176.150.34 — link — abuse?
The State is the newspaper out of Columbia, a city that is beyond rabid for their beloved team.
(Yes, this is a compliment and yes, I am a Clemson fan..)
TBH, Clemson folks (including Bowden) have got to be disappointed with this season, despite the fact that we could end the season with 9 wins.
If Carolina fans and coach are happy with less, more power to them.
That is the extent of the jabs permitted to us for the next next 343 days, as per the established Bragging Rights Policy, which Tommy Bowden was upholding in declining to knock a coach that has won the previous match.
If anyone is unfamiliar with the Policy, Carolina gets to win once every five years; Spurrier's turn to be humble is scheduled for the 2007-2011 seasons.
I for one am certain that Richt, Fulmer, and Tuberville would be given big raises for 7-5 seasons...
Oops...my bad... :)
PopsMich said:
posted on December 18, 2006 5:43 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
SS has never been humble, but he's been humbled.
His BS big talk with the Redskins and failed attempt "at the next level" put his a$$ back with the other overpaid prima donnas.
The guy gives sleazy a bad name. South Carolina bought themselves another year, before his wandering eye sees something else more lucrative.
PoeJoe said:
posted on December 18, 2006 6:47 PM — 71.206.180.82 — link — abuse?
It amazes me when 'grown men' aren't media saavy enough to know what to and what NOT to say. Bowden is obviously jealous of Spurrier's raise, he knew what the expectations were at Clemson when he took the job, what's he complaining about?
greyghost51 said:
posted on December 18, 2006 7:00 PM — 71.204.248.48 — link — abuse?
Eat cake Moo U! And get used to it! Spurrier is in Gamecock Heaven, got a special membership to Augusta National provided by Hootie Johnson, He's good, he's ours and he ain't going nowhere! The tiger domination is on hold for at least the spurrier era, thank God! 31-28!
clemson1981 said:
posted on December 18, 2006 8:57 PM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
TOMMY BOWDEN SHUT UP!!!!! I told my friends and family two years ago fire his ass, he was brought in not to bring clemson to 8 or 9 hell even 7 wins he was brought in to win ACC title and National Titles!!! Now damnit shut your mouth, ignore the Spur in the ass, and win some games, im sick of Bowden, im tired of these mediocre bowls, 26 years and 15 since our last nc and acc titles almost what 16 since the last 10 wins season, we should have fired him when butch davis came open then we could have hired davis, oh well spurrier can run his mouth, he still wont win a national title at usc, and his estention gives clemson just 6 more times to beat him.
clemson1981 said:
posted on December 18, 2006 9:03 PM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
PopsMich,
I couldnt agree more, just think about this for a second if Nick Saban struggles down in Miami a couple of more years, like 8-8 or 9-7 and no playoffs, if the fins were willing to make saban one of the highest paid coaches in the nfl even with no nfl head coaching experience, imagine even with his record what spurrier would do, a chance to go back to florida, your damn right hed take it. And as far as the augusta national membership goes, every single carolina coach gets that, hell BRAD SCOTT had one and with the money spurriers got he could just afford a membership, not like i care i mean thats just athletic money down the drain for usc and hows that membership help the prgram again?Mooka said:
posted on December 18, 2006 9:09 PM — 138.163.0.41 — link — abuse?
When exactly did the Spurrier era begin? Before or after he went to the NFL and found out he's not as great of a coach as he thought? SC can have Spurrier. I'm just glad he was humbled at least by his comments nowa days it shows he knows he is nothing without getting recruits. Furthermore he learned the recruits don't come as easy in SC as they did in FLA. Some coaches make recruits better. Spurrier just relies on getting top recruits. What makes him sucha good coach? He should bow down.
Mooka said:
posted on December 18, 2006 10:17 PM — 138.163.0.37 — link — abuse?
Point taken Scott Johnson. Spurrier's team was full of Freshmen and he still pulled off somewhat of a winning record. I'm not completly sold yet though. Let me see what he does with these guys when they are Seniors. That will be his defining moment. I'll give him 2-3 more years tops before I make a final decision and drop him from my great coaches rank.
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on December 18, 2006 10:46 PM — 68.59.5.49 — link — abuse?
It is a shame Clemson fans have to be lumped in with idiots like "clemson 1981." Since 1999, the year Bowden came to Clemson, only two teams in the ACC have not had losing conference records. They are Ga. Tech and Clemson. This includes Miami, BC and Va. Tech when they were in the pathetic Big East. I suppose "clemson 1981 is correct we should fire Bowden and hire who??????????? Look at Alabama. Why do you think no one wants to go there?
Until there is playoff, low profile schools like Clemson and South Carolina will never win a national title. I think a 13-0 Auburn team would agree. The national title is reserved for FSU, Florida, Penn. St. Michigan, Ohio State, Texas, USC, Oklahoma and other media favorites.
Bottom line, if your team can win 7 to nine games you are doing great. If you are lucky enough to have the ball bounce your way, you may win 10 or 11.Rooster said:
posted on December 19, 2006 12:44 AM — 65.4.81.185 — link — abuse?
Coach Spur deserves the raise because he has shown improvement in his two years, because he has shown that Carolina can compete with the big boys in the best conference in the country, and because the program is obviously heading upwards. Besides, he turned down $250,000 that was offered to him when he first signed on, plus has pledged $250,000 of his own money to Carolina's capital campaign. So, basically this raise hasn't cost Carolina anything. CUTotalTiger - I'll have to disagree with you about neither Carolina or Clemson ever being able to win a National Title. If either of our teams were to ever go undefeated and win the conference championship game, we'd almost certainly be in the NC game (barring situations in which there are more than two undefeated teams. Even then we'd likely make it due to the teams we play). To go through either the ACC or SEC undefeated would give a team a berth 95% of the time.
Cane_Nation said:
posted on December 19, 2006 8:36 AM — 205.166.218.39 — link — abuse?
Clemson 1981: (post 16)
Now you actually consider Clemson's run with no titles meaningful? On the Miami blog, you acted like that was of no significance. You need to make up your mind. You try to build up your team to other teams fans, and that is what you should do. But, you try to downplay them to other Clemson fans, and for God's sake why in front of the South Carolina fans?
Clemson has a good football program, and Tommie is a good football coach. Where was your team before he got there? Clemson WILL compete for an ACC title most years (hopefully not win it, but will compete). Most years the ACC is a very tough conference, second only to the SEC (and some years just as good). What you're asking for is not a cakewalk. Yes, this should have been your year with the down year the conference had, but you're team is still young. You have a special player in C. J. Spiller, just another decent recruiting class and you're still right there.
So look don't bash your team to your rival's fanbase. It just gives helps them puff out there chest a little more, and the South Carolina fans already have delusions of granduer as it is. The Celmson program is a far better program than what Spurrier has in Columbia, just enjoy the ride.
Cochese23 said:
posted on December 19, 2006 9:17 AM — 66.92.214.247 — link — abuse?
Superior got the raise because of supply and demand. There isn't much supply for top level college coaches, and USC didn't want him demanded somewhere else.
All these comments about winning conferences etc are good and all, but remember... Clemson was adjudged to be THE top public academic institution in the land a few years ago. How does THAT hit you?Cock-N-Fire! said:
posted on December 19, 2006 10:31 AM — 167.127.24.69 — link — abuse?
That's right boys...keep taking jabs at The OBC! He's doing exactly what we needed at USC, generating media exposure and helping the cause. Even USCarolina fans can chuckle at our past because we know the future looks bright - if you don't believe me just check out some of the recent recruits on rivals.com - Just remember canes fans (you seem to be the most obnoxious in all of this throwing up your past achievements and all) - it's not where you've been, it's where you are going. Good luck to Miss Shannon and your boys.
Charleston Gamecock said:
posted on December 19, 2006 11:11 AM — 64.90.18.34 — link — abuse?
Where is all the animosity from the Canes coming from? As for clemson being the better team, I have statistics from a 31-28 game that says otherwise. As far as recruiting goes the last time I checked Carolina was #11 on rivals and #16 on scout's rankings. I guess that should debunk that Spurrier can't recruit at Carolina myth. I also wish I had the same crystal ball that you guys use to predict the future and who's going to win ACC & SEC championships. We could win a ton of money if you want to share.
Cock-N-Fire!! said:
posted on December 19, 2006 1:19 PM — 167.127.24.69 — link — abuse?
Cochese23
"how does that hit you"?
Well Mr. Cochese, I would say that hits us (USCarolina fans) about the same way Newton hit your top academic public institution QB on the next to the last play of the game! But nonetheless, congrats on your magazine article - and nice use of verbiage.
Cane_Nation said:
posted on December 19, 2006 3:34 PM — 205.166.218.35 — link — abuse?
There is no animosity from this Canes fan. Right now Clemson has a better program than S. Car. That's not saying Spurrier can't make his program better in the future. I don't have that crystal ball to tell the future, so I'm talking right now. Hell, I would love to see the Cocks whip the Bulldogs like Spurrier use to on an annual basis. I'm just saying don't downgrade you program on one blog and say they're the greatest on another. All I'm asking for is some consistancy. The only program I have any anamosity towards is my Hometown Bulldogs.
clemson1981 said:
posted on December 19, 2006 3:35 PM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
Cane_Nation and CUTotalTiger
You are both right, i lost my temper a little, when bowden came to clemson i was in full support now ive lost it, hes not the coach i thought he was, now granted i can see tommy coaching at Clemson for the rest of his life only because in this day and age 8 or 9 wins at clemson gets you a very long way, but after those "BEST TEAM MONEY CAN BUY" "DANNY FORD IS KING" years us clemson fans got very spoiled, and i think CUTotalTiger would have to agree, adn after tommy west came destroyed the program and left us for dead a name like bowden coming in and also a 12-0 record at TULANE you get optimistic, but like i said i lost my temper, and i apologize to any clemson fan i offended. And in turn like i have said 1 million times, 6 year extention for spurrier=6 more years of beating the high hell out of south carolina!!!
GO TIGERS!!!!clemson1981 said:
posted on December 19, 2006 3:45 PM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
Canes_Nation and CUTotalTiger
there might be a chance i agre with you both this go round. I think your both right in this situation, granted i lost my temper, that usc loss still burns in my mind and to now here spurrier running that loud mouth of his again just pisses the royal hell out of me, but CUTotalTiger you are right, there is no reason clemson fans should ever be this way towards our team, we have always been known as the best fans in the ACC and just maybe the nation, i had no right to talk bad about our beloved tigers, but bowden had the chance this year, we started strong finished bad a reverse of the past three years, ironic isnt it? But with willy korn next year and spiller and davis, we may have the single greatest option running attack since those nebraska teams of the early to mid 90's. and canes nation i agree with you too, i will tell you i hope miami does well but i still think it will take a long long time to get that bad rep out of there, im rooting though, but as you said a couple of more years of solid recruting, and maybe we tiger fans will be back to the glory years, and CUTOtalTiger can agree with me on this, we got spoiled over the 80's with danny ford, and we still want to be there, and i thought bowden was the man, maybe he is but right now i still dont know. but like i have said 1 million times,
6 year extention for spurrier=6 more years of clemson beating him down.
GO TIGERS!!!!Cane_Nation said:
posted on December 19, 2006 4:12 PM — 205.166.218.4 — link — abuse?
M Go Blue (post 28)
Yes, the ACC sucked hind tit this year. I'm man enough to admit it. But on the average year we're right behind the SEC. We're definitely better then the Big Ten 80% of the time (with todays conference membership). The average year Big Ten is two powerhouse programs (Ohio State and Michigan, even though Michigan is usually overrated), two good programs that alternate step up years (Wisconsin and Iowa), two solid programs (Minnesota and Penn State), two not quite doormats (Northwestern and Michigan State), and doormats (Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue, and Michigan State). Did I leave anybody out? Oh, that's right Notre Dame just pretends to be a Big Ten team.
The average year for the ACC is three powerhouse programs (Miami, FSU, V. Tech), four good programs that occasionally step up (Clemson, Boston College, Ga. Tech, And Maryland), two solid programs (UVA, N.C. State) one not quite doormat (Wake Forrest), and two doormats (Duke, UNC).
Overall the ACC seems to have a slight edge over the Big Ten, but I don't get to see alot of Big Ten games down here. So educate me if I'm wrong on the Big Ten figuring an average year for each team. The ACC is more top heavy with the a worse bottom end, but I think the middle pack is better in the ACC. But of course opinions are like ...... well you get the picture.
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on December 19, 2006 6:06 PM — 68.59.5.49 — link — abuse?
I would not hail SS as a good coach just yet. Simply look at his record outside of his days at Florida. In his first two seasons at South Carolina he is 13-11. That is just better than Holtz's last two years. Keep in mind the Old Ball Coach decided he did not want to play Miami when at Florida and Georgia was struggling. So he simply needed to beat UT and FSU. Figure Florida opened with two patsies played Vandy, S. Carolina, Kentucky and that is five wins out the gate.
Things have changed......... SS must now beat Tenn. UGA and Fla on a routine basis. JURY OUT on SS. But the simple fact that he is 1-1 against Florida, Tenn. and Clemson over the past two years indicates promise for Gamecock fans. Now let's see what happens after three years..... If the record goes to 0-3 against Ga., 1-2 against Tenn and 1-2 agains Florida then nothing has really changed since the days of Brad Scott.T-Mac said:
posted on December 19, 2006 7:25 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
I doubt Coach Spurrier is sensitive. That's ridiculous. It's called defending yourself. Bowden opened his mouth FIRST. Spurrier replied back in defense. Spurrier's money is none of Bowden's business anyway. If you don't wanna get sh*t on. Don't talk sh*t!!! Keep that trap shut. I would be willing to bet that if you pissed Spurrier off he'd be throwing more than a Visor!
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 19, 2006 7:48 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Looks like TMac is a bit sensative too...
... there are some peculiar reactions... strange blog topic to begin with too: WHo Cares!
and this line is comical/telling "Score this round to the Ol' Ball Coach."
K-Hue = firm grip on that Coc#
T-Mac said:
posted on December 19, 2006 7:59 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
I'm not sensitive at all bro. Whether you get called out publicly or privately you have to defend yourself. If not. Folks will walk all over you. Bowden was jealous Spurrier got a raise and he didn't. Bowden wen't public and Spurrier fired back. Props to COACH STEVE "SENSITIVE" SPURRIER. It's nice to know that some coaches out there still have some balls. This is T-Mac bringin it.
BTW-So Cal, if someone on here mentions you or calls you out than what do YOU do? Keep quiet or respond???Rooster said:
posted on December 19, 2006 8:43 PM — 65.4.81.185 — link — abuse?
Clemson1981 - it's so humurous how someone like you can sound so intelligent at times and then make obviously ridiculous comments like - 6 year extention for spurrier=6 more years of clemson beating him down. Anyone with any football knack realizes that Spurrier is a better coach than Tommy Bowden. Goodness, it's obvious that Steve-O is all in Tommy's head. Y'all had us on the ropes Lou's last couple of years when he lost control of his team in his twilight. It's apparent that the last two years have shown stability developing at Carolina and instability growing in Pickens. The Palmetto Bowl this year saw frustration during the game on the Clemson sideline (players and coaches) and that has grown worse into December. The recruiting battle is definately going in the Gamecocks favor right now.
Rooster said:
posted on December 19, 2006 8:48 PM — 65.4.81.185 — link — abuse?
Eastern fan - too much nog in your egg nog my friend? Way too extreme of statements about Carolina and Clemson. Carolina (not Spurrier but Carolina with Spurrier) will likely win an SEC title. Clemson may possibly win an ACC title with Bowden but they need to get back on track (they've gotten kinda shaken up lately). But regarding your "who cares" statement? People who pull for teams from real leagues like the ACC and SEC care. What are you? Some kind of Big East, Conference USA, MAC fan. If it ain't the SEC, ACC, Big 12, Big 10, or maybe on a good year the PAC 10, you're just middle class teams fighting amongst yourselves to keep out of I-AA.
clemson1981 said:
posted on December 19, 2006 9:45 PM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
post 36 CUTotalTiger:
now i agree with you a little, its hard to judge spurrier now because the past two years hes gotten holtz recruits, and has lost out on many because of the way florida is playing agian and clemson becoming fairly decent, but i think this upcoming year is the one where we all find out wheather or not spurrier is really the coach we think he is, and about his florida days he replaced charlie pell, charlie pell started the florida dominance spurrier just came in at the right time, so lets see what he does this upcoming year.GO VOLS67 said:
posted on December 19, 2006 10:00 PM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
VOLPIMP post 40
you call yourself a vols fan?!? you just gave steve "cant spell citrus without ut" spurrier a compliment?!? thats not right UT fans NEVER EVER give spurrier compliments, do you not remember what he did to us while at florida? you have a right to talk about him in a good way its just its odd extreamly odd to hear a vol's fan speak well or marginaly well about him.
GO VOL CLASS OF 67!!!!Regan said:
posted on December 19, 2006 10:02 PM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
PoeJoe (#11):
I think it was an expression of his frustration with the insane expectation phenomenon that has permeated the whole sport for the past 10 years or so.
Remember, this is the guy that has had a mortgage taken out on the Hot Seat; and it seems he is always under pressure. I know I would have snapped far sooner had it been me…
Please note bias :)
Regan said:
posted on December 19, 2006 10:02 PM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
greyghost51 (#13):
Case in point of my comment of Columbia / Carolina Fans’ being beyond rabid in support of their team.
Rumor has it that Carolina even has players for the team Spurrier coaches; hopefully they might get some recognition in the future, and not just Augusta National…
Regan said:
posted on December 19, 2006 10:03 PM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
clemson1981 (#16):
Tommy Bowden let the matter drop, so I consider it dropped. TBH, Bowden is the best Clemson is going to have for a while, and he’s certainly not a bad coach at all. Clemson, much as I’d love them to, will not be at the Danny Ford level in the foreseeable future because the entire sport of College Football has changed. Even Michigan went 7-5 last year.
Clemson has had flashes of brilliance early and often during Bowden’s tenure. It’s only a matter of time before he’s able to take it to the next level.
Canesclass of 74 said:
posted on December 19, 2006 10:06 PM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
i ran across this blog and read through it and saw clemson1981 kinda bash his team kinda second guessing himself, but hey who has never been accused of that? right? Anways I still live down here in Miami and my family lives in walhalla south carolina about 10 miles from clemson and bowden does this every year, gets in the media, runs his mouth, and shuts up again, i think clemson1981 might have gotten a little too worked up over it but you should know that bowden does this evey year, and besides its steve spurrier, the man thrives off of this, and dont worry as you say you will beat spurrier many more times, you have a better team, better facilities, WAY BETTER FANS, and belive it or not I shall dare say A BETTER COACH!!!! I dare someone to say spurrier bulit that florida dynasty down there, and if you do you have lost your mind.
Regan said:
posted on December 19, 2006 10:10 PM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
Cock-N-Fire! (#27):
Everyone in Columbia seems to be putting all their eggs in Spurrier’s basket. The future (ie: the next five years) for Carolina is much brighter than in the past, but there is no coach on the face of the Earth that is stronger than the ‘Chicken Curse’…though denial is a good way to cope, IMHO :)Carolina did really well getting that QB from the state of Florida, but to be fair, I don’t believe it is wise to use Recruiting Rankings until recruiting classes have signed; all you prove is that your team has gotten a quick start…
On behalf of the ‘Canes; since you’re knocking fans instead of teams, let me say that Miami fans ‘throw up their past achievements’ because they have them, and more are to come – unlike at South Carolina.
The Past: Miami won more national titles in 20 years than Carolina will ever win, assuming College Football reaches the time of Captain Kirk.
The Future: Miami will be back in the national picture faster than you can say 63-17 with the talent on that team and the determination in Randy Shannon. You are right in that ‘it’s where you’re going, not where you’ve been’, but Spurrier won’t be getting through Fulmer, Richt, Tuberville, Nutt, or Meyer to win an NC anytime soon. Miami? Well…different story there…
Canesclass of 74 said:
posted on December 19, 2006 10:11 PM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
Regan post 44,
very good point, but as far as cclemson not being at Ol Ford level in the foreseeable future I stop you there. Think for a second, Clemson had what the number 13 recruiting class last year and are projected to have the number 5 this season already!! Thats amazing that Bowden does that well I mean he bet out SoCal, Miami,FSU, UF, and UGA and South Carolina for SPILLER thats amazing company to be with, I project clemson 11-1 in about 2 years, and by then they will have pleanty of praise (that one los coming to miami of course)
GO CANES!!!!Regan said:
posted on December 19, 2006 10:12 PM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
Charleston Gamecock (#29):
>>Where is all the animosity from the Canes coming from?
General animosity: Miami fans and Florida fans don’t get along. Spurrier is responsible for most of Florida’s success, etc in recent history.
Recent animosity: When rumors of Spurrier coming to Miami came about, tensions ran high because a few Carolina fans started bashing Miami with “Why would Spurrier leave glorious Columbia and the basking in the sunlight of the seven hills of it's majesty to coach a bunch of thugs?” comments.
>>As for clemson being the better team, I have statistics from a 31-28 game that says otherwise.Bragging Rites useage confirmed and acknowledged; 340 days remaining until expiration.
>>As far as recruiting goes the last time I checked Carolina was #11 on rivals and #16 on scout's rankings. I guess that should debunk that Spurrier can't recruit at Carolina myth.As I mentioned to Cock-N-Fire! (#27); Recruiting rankings this early are not a good thing to bank on; Clemson somehow slipped from the top 10 to #16 in 2 weeks because of a small handful of kids making soft commitments, none of which were even to Clemson.
>>I also wish I had the same crystal ball that you guys use to predict the future and who's going to win ACC & SEC championships. We could win a ton of money if you want to share.NO DOUBT. Especially with Wake Forest being in the equation…
BTW, any jabs I take at the Gamecocks or their fans do not apply to you; consider it props from a fellow Charlestonian :)
Regan said:
posted on December 19, 2006 10:14 PM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
Cane_Nation (#34):
>>Yes, the ACC sucked hind tit this year.My father grew up in a tiny SC town just large enough to have a Post Office, and worked on a farm that raised pigs. He has used this term in the past, and explained it to me. Personally, I find it both horrifying and yet pleasantly amusing that anyone else uses it; just thought I’d mention that… :)
Geez, letting go of the rapid-fire button; sorry Fanblogs; guess I need to check back more than once a week :( .
gamecock4life said:
posted on December 19, 2006 10:17 PM — 24.30.24.25 — link — abuse?
i love the hate, especially from all the taters. im not gonna get all fired up an go on for days ill leave that up to the haters an taters.
CuTotalTiger, you are one smart individual.nothing has changed since the days of grad scott huh? ya your right i mean the whole 0-11, holtz playin a player that ineligible who actually scored the winning points of the bowl game against ohit st,at least 4 kids kicked off the team due to violations, an drug problems, an the lovely brawl against clemsux. things were like that when Scott was there? your right the obc hasnt done anything at all worth talkin about in columbia, i mean cleaning up a program an planning for the future means nothing right? its all about the W-L's right? i mean loosing to florida by 1 an close ones with ark an tenn an Aulburn is nothing to get excited about cause they are looses but deff shows the program has turned somewhat around since lou. Dont get me wrong i love lou he was a great coach but he dug a hole, an some times you gotta fix it befor you see the results. Dont even get me started what the obc has done for gamecock recruiting. #10 on rivals.com an when we get carlos dunlap an a few others it will climb. You being a tater fan ur prolly all pumped for willy corn, cause ya he looked so awesome in the shrine bowl, an sub par senior year. Do me a favor explain to him the difference in his team an the other, cause boy does he love thrown int's.
Its ok tiger if i were a clemsux fan i would be mad all the time to. get all your shots in now cause the game between the cocks an taters is only gonna get tuffer. So if you dont think we are anythign now thats fine like i said get them in now cause the respect will come if you like it or not.
Cock-N-Fire! said:
posted on December 20, 2006 11:34 AM — 167.127.24.25 — link — abuse?
Regan #51
Correction - the 'Future' of Miami football is now it shows a few too many L's last year for you to even be thinking ACC Championship, much LESS NC in the near future?!
Let's recollect - you beat Fla A&M, Houston, UNC, Fla Int., Duke, and BC??! But please, remind us again of all your past accomplishments so the rest of us non-U fans can bow down and only dream of the glory you're team has bestowed upon college football.
BTW - Go Deacs!!
clemson1981 said:
posted on December 20, 2006 11:49 AM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
gamecock4life post 55:
what is taters, do you mean clemson fans? ive never heard a cock call us tigers taters, kind of odd, i think its another one of those anti clemson phrases that has yet to still catch on down there in columbia. while the term shamcocks has caught on up here. but thats another story for another time. as faras willy korn (its spelled with a k not c) goes hes is ranked the BEST dual threat qb in all of high school as ranked by rivals.com, and when you run the ball like clemson does to have a qb taht can accually run is a great thing, not to mention he will have xavier dye, the best wr on byrnes, that says something to have his favorite target and a former teammate. ricky sapp is also a solid verbal comit, best d lineman in the nation.
then your lou holtz argument:
i have said it over and over and over again, when i lived in columbia when holtz got there the first thing all you carolina fans said was, he will win an sec title and a national title here and who can forget those stupid bumberstickers you peaople got the ones that read "halleLOUya", the man finished with a losing record and 2 bowl game vicorties, in six years, not exactly a great job, it wasnt that holtz was a bad coach its that caolina is a bad program, holtz has won just as many national titles as spurrier, not that many con titles considering all those years at notre dame, but still none the less, and he has over 200 some wins, when he came back he had the third most wins among active coaches, so stop bad mouthing lou, im sure all caolina fans when spurrier leaves that team in a "Hole" as you call it you will all say the same about him as you do about holtz.CUTotalTiger said:
posted on December 20, 2006 3:08 PM — 68.59.5.49 — link — abuse?
Gamecock for life....
Recruiting......... i think is overrated. Holtz routinelly beat Tommy Bowden when he was at South Carolina in the recuring wars. But his record against Bowden was 1-5. But if you are convinced it matters, then look at the average stars of the recuit coming in. Clemson holds that edge. Coaching, get a top 40 recuting class and coaching takes over.
And wins and losses are what matters, not moral one point losses to Florida. Heck you beat them in 2005, why would you think a one point loss the next year is good? Kicking kids off.... well, that might show lack of control as oppose to good coaching.
Willy Korn....... Look I hope is the best thing since Steve Fuller, but the truth of the matter is that he has not taken a college snap. Tommy Bowden has had 4 big time recruits since 1999. I mean players that everyone wanted. Roscoe Crosby........ did not pan out..... Willie Simmons....... finished as a back up at Cidadel
James Davis........ wonderful talent but has not played a full season, keeps getting hurt
CJ Spiller......... jury outDo not get too mad Shamecock for life. You have a wonderul high-profile coach who is trying to help spruce up Williams Brice Industrial Complex. But if you lose to GA by 3 in Athens next year, lose to Tenn in OT and lose to Fla on the last play again. You will have 3 more moral wins but will be 0-3 against Ga, 1-2 against Tenn and 1-2 against Fla. Frankly........... nothing will have changed. 2007 needs to be a big year for you......
The Hook said:
posted on December 20, 2006 5:39 PM — 24.181.102.9 — link — abuse?
There is no one here that can complain about a coach. Every team in the country has one right now except for one. Can you name the school? That's right, my beloved Alabama. Miami, Clemson, South Carolina, all have competent people running their programs. What do we have? A bunch of idiots. We have Mal Moore, Paul Bryant Jr. and a bunch of other clowns conducting a coaching search that shouldn't even be taking place right now. I am having the dubious honor, along with all the other Tide fans, of watching a bunch of clowns kill a great program and ruin any hopes of a national championship in the near future. In 1992, the Tide won it's last national championship and was on the verge of re-establishing itself at the top. When Coach Stallings quit, these clowns had the opportunity to bring in almost any coach they wanted and what did they do? They hired Mike DumBose. Then they hired Dennis the menace, then they hired Mike Price, and lastly they hired Mike Shula. Had they left Shula alone for 2 more years, he would have led them back but these idiots can't leave well enough alone. Only when the Tide fans rise up and call for the ousting of Paul Jr. and his cast of clowns will Alabama be able to get back to where they were. No one else in the country needs to complain about their program or their coach. At the very least, they can say that they have one. Others are not so lucky. ROLL TIDE!!!
Le Cocky said:
posted on December 20, 2006 6:25 PM — 204.116.230.253 — link — abuse?
Clemson domination is ceased. I bet my best friend a year ago the cocks win the next 3 of 4. Looks like a sucker bet now. I'll probably ask him next week if he needs 3 TDs on the 07 game for a side bet. My wife is a clemson fan and has said for years that ROD was the man. She wanted Tommy Boy fired a long time ago. I think she was right. If Spurrier had clemsons 06 team (or 05 tIIm), the orange pussycats would have some titles. I agree that RIVALS recruiting means nothing. I watched Korn (Chikens love corn)play 2X this year. HE SUCKED. All I saw was fumbles and interceptions. Brad Scott, thank God he's at clemson. Oh yeah, clemson's old D-coordinator who sucked, who was it, the scapegoat, reggie somthing , herring maybe. Where's he? Oh yeah, at Ark. Played for SEC championship. HE'S NOT BEEN REPLACED. ACC lost FSU TO UF, cu TO USC, Ga TECH to GA. But your conference champ beat ?Ole Miss? I SHAKE hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
clemson1981 said:
posted on December 20, 2006 8:03 PM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
Le Cocky post 61:
you mean to tell me that you bet your friend a year ago that carolina would win 3 out of 4 and you are already declaring you are right when spurrier is only 1-1 against clemson? a little early is it not i thing just as CUTotalTiger said wait till this upcoming season to find out if your legit with spurrier or not. and as i have said you can not ase a coaches success on his first two years he wins with other coaches recruits and players wait till the jr's and sr's leave then we will see if spurier will win 3 out 4 against clemson.gamecock4life said:
posted on December 20, 2006 8:34 PM — 24.30.24.25 — link — abuse?
ok Clemson1981 as far as the taters i guess it all matters where ya live, i personally never heard shamecocks so enough about that.
My point about Lou holtz was in no way intended to say he was not a good coach, nor that he did not do anything for south carolina because its obvious he did.i liked him befor he came to columbia, an still liek him today. My point was the program as a whole was having problems. the hole i refered to was alligations that were brought up against south carolina, having kids kicked off for drugs an kids failing school an playing. It could have been anyone there at coach an when they left there would have been a hole to come out of when you have that sort of thing going on. Lou was a great guy an no gamecock would bad mouth him so dont think i am. The problems were off the field.
i can go on for hours battling with ya over recruits but it does no good, it means nothing until they actually play. My knowledge on Korn only come from the games i have seen tapes from the shrine bowl, but then again everyone has bad days. yall are happy with Korn im happy with Garcia only time well tell.
i have alot of family that are clemson fans (live on lake Hartwell), its a great school an death valley is an awesome place to play in, so if you think im ragging on your school your mistaken. yall got a awesome set of backs an some good hands at WR and a coach that knows how to win. as far as the name callin thats all part of a rivalry.
CUtotalTiger..as has been said recruit means nothin until they actually play but for giggles i have to bring this up. you say that clemson holds the edge this recruiting class simply because the average is better. you must love rivals.com. whats so awesome about these site is a 5 star one place is a 4 star at another an vice versa. so depending where oyur information is comming form depends if the gamecocks have a 5 star or not. but hey i guess in the next years we will just have to see how these kids turn out.
Gotta love College football
Regan said:
posted on December 20, 2006 8:45 PM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
Le Cocky (#61):
Carolina hasn't beaten Clemson twice in a row in the past three decades.
As far as the raw domination goes, Spurrier will have to be there 30 years and win 30 games to give yall the lead. Good Luck with that :)
Geez, some of yall get full of yourselves when ya finally win one...
Regan said:
posted on December 20, 2006 9:02 PM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
Cock-N-Fire! (#57):
>>Correction - the 'Future' of Miami football is now it shows a few too many L's last year for you to even be thinking ACC Championship, much LESS NC in the near future?!
Could you please explain this? I think there is a point, but type a bit slower, please.
FYI: Current ACC Champ Wake Forest was 4-7 last year. Michigan was 7-5. If you watch the ‘Canes and are aware of the talent there, it is obvious that they could contend for the ACC Title next year if things are put into place and proper motivation is used. This is College Football, for cryin’ out loud…
Yes, the entire nation is well aware of the bad 6-6 season Miami had this year; thank you for pointing out the obvious once more. Congrats on Carolina’s amazing success at winning one game more in ’06.
Now that you mention it though, Mississippi State, Wofford, FAU, Kentucky, Vandy, MTSU…real powerhouse yall have down there. As far as 31-28 goes, yall have the Bragging Rites; IMHO, Carolina just really wanted it more. Congrats, 339 days until warranty expires…
Miami’s future? Honestly? There is a reason Hurricane fans aren’t being shy about commenting on Fanblogs :) Care for a home-and-home?
gamecock said:
posted on December 20, 2006 9:17 PM — 24.30.24.25 — link — abuse?
Clemson1981, one more thing you say it will take some time to see if the obc can win. Out of 85 players on the team are you aware how many of those players the lou holtz actually recruited? well there are 7 seniors there this year an will be 21 next year. that at my count is 28 so out of the 85 players on the team 28 will graduate by the end of next season. So you say that were not actually seein the obc team but thats a pretty nice bulk of it imo. And as far as those 28 go not all of them came from Lou, casper an jasper were transfers as well as Brandon isaac, Mike West, Joel Reaves, so what are we at 23? thats around 60 players the obc recruited. Dont get me wrong Lou was responsible for alot we got now Sidnet rice, blake mitchel, corey boyd, andy boyd, an chris white an a few more. but the obc has been workin very hard an has a majority of the team being recruited from him.
My numbers maybe off by one or two, an i didnt mention the fact Doughty left the team so thats 1 less of holtz guy, an Succop was recruited by holtz but offered a scholarship by the obc.
As far as CUtotaltiger an the W-L thing i speak for my self here but im happy our program is going in the right direction, im not sittin sayin there Gawdy an national champion contenders right out of the box, but we deff have thing going in the right direction. W's are nice an ya they get ya the bowl games but then again im happy with 7-5 cause were not lucky liek clemson an playin in the Acc. Would i have liked more wins sure who wouldnt but i can look back at the regular season an say job well done for the gamecocks, after a rocky begining of the season.
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on December 20, 2006 9:37 PM — 68.59.5.49 — link — abuse?
Sorry if I do not get pumped up about recruiting. I have seen too many Great players wind up on the bench and too many average players wind up in the NFL. Every so often there is that one player... I saw Deon Sanders beat us by himself. I remember Boomer when Maryland was a national power. Derrick Watson was a great talent. Warrick Dunn is another that comes to mind. But for the most part i truly believe that coaching takes over.
As far as coaches go, The fact that Holtz could not win big at South Carolina will always be a mystery to me. I rememer the 2003 season, a loss to Tenn on the road in OT and with 6 minutes to play against Florida and the fake punt that was stopped short. That was a good football team, but they will be rememberd for the end of the year rival game. I really thought we were in troulbe when South Carolina won the back to back Outback games against Ohio State. It just seems to me Holtz got tired in 2004...... will never understand what happened. I suppose that is why, as a Clemson fan, I am not yet overly concered with SS.BanTheWooHoo said:
posted on December 20, 2006 10:33 PM — 70.144.18.163 — link — abuse?
clemson1981,
i agree with about the fact that TB hasnt lived up to some expectations but the program at Clemson has improved. He has done wonders for recruiting and he runs a clean program. But we could be in Bama's position right now and thats not something i want. I agree with you in some parts and understand about loosing your cool, it happens and i get frustrated with him myself sometimes. Just remember a bad day as a Tiger beats a good day as a Gamecock
To all Carolina Fans:i am not taking anything away from your win this year, Conggratulation you beat us. But please act like you've been there before even if it only happend twice a decade. Ya'll have a good team and Spurrier knows a thing or two about coaching. But personally i think he takes his arrogance to far. Tommy Bowden could use some of it every now and then but Spurrier doesnt come off as a coach that i would want to play for. By the way, 2 outta 10 isnt domination, you havent turned the corner yet.
BanTheWooHoo
clemson1981 said:
posted on December 20, 2006 11:02 PM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
gamecock post 67:
you say if carolina was in a conference like the acc it would be easy to win in, if im not mistaken at one time you were in the acc from 1953-1970 and won 1 con titel and left because you couldnt win in the confence so you became an independent and scheduled your own games, lets not forget our past mr.gamecock, and then you joined the sec, great success has come out of that ill tell you, but keep dreaming.
Cane_Nation said:
posted on December 21, 2006 9:58 AM — 205.166.218.39 — link — abuse?
Cock n Fire: (post 57)
"But please, remind us again of all your past accomplishments so the rest of us non-U fans can bow down and only dream of the glory you're team has bestowed upon college football."
Funny, you were trying to be a smartass. But, coming from a gamecock fan, you actually hit the nail on the head because that is something the Cocks only dream of.
Cock-N-Fire! said:
posted on December 21, 2006 10:59 AM — 167.127.24.25 — link — abuse?
Clemson getting all fired up!!
Clemson cornerback Duane Coleman's availability for the Dec. 29 Gaylord Music City Bowl in Nashville, Tenn., is in doubt after the senior was arrested Wednesday for simple possession of marijuana.
Coleman, the Tigers' fourth-leading tackler with 81 tackles and one interception, was arrested Wednesday by Seneca (S.C.) Police, according to Laura Smith, a dispatcher with the police department. She said the police department would release a statement Thursday morning regarding Coleman's arrest.
clemson1981 said:
posted on December 21, 2006 3:10 PM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
Lee post 74:
very goo dpoint gt did go to the acc from the sec, but that was not because they were not having success there:
1939 Southeastern Conference Co-Champions
1943 Southeastern Conference Champions
1944 Southeastern Conference Champions
1951 Southeastern Conference Co-Champions
1952 Southeastern Conference Champions
they were also proclaimed national champs in 1951 (11-0-1), 1952 (12-0), and 1956 (10-1)
they were NOT self proclaimed:
1951-voted as national champs by Berryman
Boand System polls
1952-voted as national champs by Berryman International News Service
Massey Ratings
Poling System
1956- voted as national champs by the Berryman poll
all of those coming during there SEC tenure and 15 bowl game apperances 10-5 overal in these bowl games, not a bad record if you ask me. And lets also not forget that Georgia Tech left the SEC for the Metro-Conference (named because of its charter members all being in metropilitan areas)while it did not hold football programs the teams that were in the conference (Cincy, GT, Louisville, Memphis State, Sait Louis and Tulane) all did play amongst eachother during the regular season. after GT's stint with the Metro-Con they joined the ACC at the ACC request because Clemson, Duke and North Carolina were the dominate programs in the ACC and to add more compitetion to these 3 GT was added. Now GT has done quite well in the ACC so far and ever since south carolina left the ACC, hows that going again?
clemson1981 said:
posted on December 21, 2006 3:42 PM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
Cock-n-Fire post 73:
Do you honestly think us clemson fans have our heads so far up our own asses so far that we do not realize this, when this broke at around 10:30 last night we all found out, we are not goin to be like you south carolina fans that just shove stuff like this under the rug, and dont deny it you know what im talking about right, that whole Ricardo Hurley arrest in his house in Greenwood a few years back. funny how something like that was never mentioned by your coaches or how hurley was never suspended, so to me simple possesion is nothing, the report is not even out yet, and i live 2 miles from seneca and not to mention colemans being held al of about 5 min from my home (i live in walhalla sc) in the oconee detention center if something happens ill be the first to know. not mention i belive this is the first time this has happened to a clemson player ina while (run in with the law) last time i checked carolina players were still jackin lap tops from teh coaches office.
BanTheWooHoo said:
posted on December 21, 2006 5:14 PM — 70.144.18.163 — link — abuse?
i hate to mention it but there was another incident a year or so ago as well involving Chris McDuffie and a similar situation. I really admire Coleman for the the way he had handled himself recently, he was making sacrifices for the better of the team but that doesnt make what he did right. im not sure how it is up there but most places have a fine of a couple hundred dollars or a very short jail sentence in a situation like this. Duane should pay his fines and move on. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes
gamecock4life said:
posted on December 21, 2006 7:10 PM — 24.30.24.25 — link — abuse?
LOL clemson1981 i hope you joking, you think they left because they were not winning your mistaken. in fact they won the acc the year befor they left like you said. SO sir you are wrong, they did not leave because they were not winning. Aparently you love to shoot down something befor you even know your fatcs. Look up Mike Grosso, Freddie Soloman, among other an you can find out why they left the acc. The minimum sat scores in the ACC was 800 at the time, South Carolina had multiple recruits in multiple sports (not just football) that were not up to the standard, an they were tired of loosing recruits to other non acc teams that the players were eligble for. Now im sure youll have plenty bad to say about this since the scores were so low but it s the facts.
So like i said rather then have history war with you just please dont tell something thats not true. They left for those reasons not because they wernt winning. I mean what since would it make for a team to leave a conference after winning a conference championship. If you want to have an acc- sec battle then fine i can honestly say yes i believe in FOOTBALL the Sec is a much much muhc stronger conference. you seem like the type of person get mad very easy i told you i like clemson an dont disrespect them so get off it.
Maybe you could give a better reason then i read, about clemson turning down the oklahoma series that was supposed to start between them in the next few years? Cause form what i read it seems like clemson pulled out why ?
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 21, 2006 7:32 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC:
Yeh, I've been followin' that one. Haven't heard a peep from the Arkies at all. What's up with that? The most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of yet, actually.
Seems as if Mustain's mother and Williams mother and the other TE's mother, that all enrolled with that OC from high school this year, got together with AD Broyles and whined that their boyz (or little girls) weren't getting enough passes thrown to them. My God, what are you supposed to do? Bench McFadden and Jones, and let Mustain take over the whole offense, while he bombs away at his fellow freshmen WR and TE? How stupid are these kids these days? Looks like the WR Williams already transferred and Dick is gonna start the Bowl game. I'd kick Mustain and the TE off of the team for that ridiculous crybaby session. I'll bet Frank Broyles was just all ears (or is it tears?). How comical is this situation? What a joke that these three idiots who won a state championship in Arkansas of all places, think there gonna walk onto the field in the SEC, and dominate the conference anywhere near what the Razorback running game did. Damn!Tommie T
clemson1981 said:
posted on December 21, 2006 9:19 PM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
gamecock4life post 80:
OH how many excuses can a gamecock pull out of his ass? who knows, more than likely more than all of williams brice can fit. yes i give you carolina won the ACC title before they left the year before they left as you said but do you not remember that carolina was a founding member of the ACC in 1953? from 1953-1970 (27 years) and one conference title out of it? by that point clemson had 6 ACC titles. Oh and lets not forget that the season you got that ACC title in 1969 was the first time since you entered the ACC as a charter member that you made it to a bowl game, AND YOU LOST!!!! then when you left for the metro-conference/independents it took you another five years to get to a bowl game, and guess what you lost that bowl game too!! not exactly solid results if you ask me, 1 bowl, 1 con title in 27 YEARS, and lets also not forget that USC has an all-time losing record, i bet had you stayed in the ACC more than likely carolina would have been a much better program at this point, but your not, and clemson has been is and all ways will be the better of the two big schools in this state.
as far as the oklahoma series goes, did you know that oklahoma will play fsu in a series the next couple of years, you know why? after there national title game against each other in 2000 the universities reached an agreement to play a three year series, the oklahoma-ACC match up was already set before the clemson-oklahoma rumor began. and as far as getting my facts together goes, i belive everything i just stated exemplifies my facts. just remember 27 years 1 con title 1 bowl game and a loss in that bowl game, shows me TONS of success came out of carolina being in the ACC!!! what a joke.Cock-N-Fire! said:
posted on December 22, 2006 11:38 AM — 167.127.24.69 — link — abuse?
Geez Clemson1981, take a chill pill Man. I was just poking a little fun at your boy having a toke or two. Shame he had to do it before the bowl game but whatever. Maybe now he can sit in the stands with other ClemPson fans and throw liquor bottles at your coach.
You can look the story up on www.takeyourheadoutofyourass.com
clemson1981 said:
posted on December 22, 2006 12:45 PM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
oh yes and also i too went to your site, it seems to be a sc midicare site, i didnt find anything what so ever on CLEMSON fans throwning liquor bottles at our coaches. and besides coleman graduated yesterday with all the other seniors on the team, and bowden will talk with him today, its not like the kid got busted with 60 pounds of it, it was a joint.
Cock-N-Fire! said:
posted on December 22, 2006 1:22 PM — 167.127.24.69 — link — abuse?
Tommie T -
that is puzzling??! The only other option would be to attend an IPTAY meeting. I believe, and correct me if I am wrong Clemson1981, those meetings are held every Tuesday about 1.34 miles from the Seneca waffle house which is approx a stones throw from the barns over by Uncle Juniors wheelbarrow shop?
First Item on the meeting agenda:
"We should get Danny Ford back"clemson1981 said:
posted on December 22, 2006 3:19 PM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
wow cock-n-fire, it is amazing that you continue to be be so wrong. no iptay meeting are not held in oconee county they are held in pickens county (WERE CLEMSON UNIVERSITY IS LOCATED YOU DUNTS!!) so in other words i am correcting you, you can make all the jokes you want about how we are an agricultural school, but just remember 63-37-4, and not to mention i have never heard in all my years and my families years here in oconee county have i heard of "Uncle Juniors wheelbarrow shop" so if you wouldnt mind giving me the address so i can varify that for myself that it does exsits that would be great.
the the should we bring danny ford back question, i would be the first to admit i would love to bring danny ford back, hes a great coach, won us a nationl title, but ford had a falling out with clemson administration, and the university sadi that he would never coach in clemson again, so that is out the window, now dont get all mad just because clemson fans are defending there program. and not to mention how does attending an IPTAY metting have anything to do with having you head up your ass? and besides all that IPTAY brings in more money for athletic scholarships than ANY other scholarship program in the nation, that includes carolina, so to me they are doing quite a good job.Tomcat said:
posted on December 22, 2006 4:15 PM — 69.153.81.120 — link — abuse?
Gamecock fans sounds like the old intrastate rivalies of CFB are alive and well.Over here we have the same kind of jealousy/hatred with everybody, especialy Aggies and Sooners.
Whats your take on USC's bowl matchup with Houston? Kevin Kolb & company can score quickly.
Will the old ball coach come up with a simular stadegy as in last years Missouri game.
Yall have a young team great recruiting and a coach that can only improve a program in a tough conference. Go Owls beat Troy
These coaches need to learn how to bitch and whine from Bob Stoops and Mike LeachSo Cal USMC said:
posted on December 22, 2006 7:38 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Arkansas doesnt need Mustain.
I was unimpressed with Mustain from the first impression I got from him in the HS All-American game... I still wonder how he was such a highly rated Recruit. With RB Chris Wells, you knew right away... with QB Tim Tebow you knew.
I dont think Arkanasas is gonna change the offense too much, nor should they as long as they have a quality Running game. (I said it all off-season, 'most improved', just run, run, run).
So Cal USMC said:
posted on December 22, 2006 7:46 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
TMac, good point. Believe me, Tommy Bowden made a B!tch-comment to begin with; that its an actual topic of conversation is stupid all together...
I hate this kind of 'drama' in Sports.
... Leave that sh!t to Rosie O'Donnell and Donald Trump.
usc 1973 said:
posted on December 22, 2006 8:37 PM — 24.30.24.25 — link — abuse?
Hey Clemson 1981... I love all your facts...your last post was the best for sure. But your constant put down of shamecocks is pitiful.
Mr. Clemson 1981 if Clemson has such a perfect reputation..no arrest, no drug problems , no grade problems etc.... Can you explain to me how an athlete of Clemson's golf team can be inolved in bad accident killing someone and yet it is pushed under the carpet?!gamecock4life said:
posted on December 22, 2006 8:56 PM — 65.161.188.11 — link — abuse?
Clemson1981, simmer down there fella. you are very quick to jump on the offensive. I love how you everytime i bring up something you cant stop tellin me how better the Clemson program is South Carolina. Just one question for ya where in any of my post have i said that South Carolina is a All star program, or that we are unstopable, or that we are of the best in NCAA history cause its not. You say im coming up with excuses, when there facts. A fact would be Mike Grosso, an excuse would be me sayin the sun was in my eyes. We can stand here for hours but the fact is im not making excuses im aware of the quality of our program in the 50's 60's an 70s up to today im not disputing that. you said we left cause of not winning that is not true so i gave you the facts. But you continue to say im making excuses for south carolina, please show me an excuse i made.
Its one thing to come shoot off your mouth but the fact is im not dogging Clemson, i been to quite a few orange an white game an like i said i liek clemson. Im just not gonna sit here an have an angry clemson fan sit here an talk trash when its not the truth. Ya so maybe we dont have as many wins as clemson or as many titles. I can handle that i mean we have produced a heisman trophy winner an some pretty good NFL talent so i can live with what our program has accomplised. SO feel free to keep sayin im makin excuses an thats awesome im happy with my program an thats all that matters.
One last question for ya then im done. Who won the heisman at clemson?clemson1981 said:
posted on December 22, 2006 10:03 PM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC post 91:
very good point this is stupid drama, but if you live in the state of south carolina, anything that we clemson-carolina fans hear regarding the rivalry, we lach on and go at it, thats why it (in my opinion) is the best rivalry in the country.VOLPIMP said:
posted on December 22, 2006 10:21 PM — 208.0.27.10 — link — abuse?
GoVols67, I hardly saw my comment #40 as a tribute to Steve Spurrier, it was more like giving him his due. Don't question my loyalty because I respect the man. Nobody in the world hated losing to him like I did, and when Carolina got us last year it started all over again. But if you can't give him credit then you have to look at your credibility as a football fan. The guy makes the SEC much more interesting, and who else in the world can incite 108,000 people with a few well thought of words than Spurrier? You gotta appreciate that! I never said I loved or even liked him, but even you have to admit that UT/Fla is nowhere near the fevered pitch it was when he was at the helm of the Gators.
gamecock4life said:
posted on December 22, 2006 11:06 PM — 24.30.24.25 — link — abuse?
Tmac, in my opinion that was brought up cause there have been some shots back an forth about one schools reputation being better or worse than the others. i know of the accident he was refering to an it was as he said "pushed" under the carpet.
Clemson1981. I would liek to say that post 94 was awesome.for the first time on this thread i totally agree with you. well done.
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on December 22, 2006 11:55 PM — 68.59.5.49 — link — abuse?
USC 1973, your post 92 make YOU, not South Caolina totally classles.
Gamecock 4 Life.......... I would love South Carolina to be back in the ACC. It makes perfect sense.
1) The Clemson/South Carolina game would mean more that just bragging rights
2) the South Carolina/ UNC game could become something similar to the Fla/Geogia game only played in Charlotte
3) Old big time rivlaly games between NC State and Maryland would be renewed.
4) Overall.... overall now so please do not jump time, South Carolina would fit in better to the ACC's emphasis on basketball than Boston College.
5) Clemson needs help in our "plight against the other N. Carolina schools," and S. Carolina would help us.
6) Geographically, S. Carolina is a perfect fit for the ACC. it makes sense.Now in time, as a playoff becomes something that college football needs and wants, we could see the leagues change or swap teams to help for super conferences to pave the way for a playoff.
clemson1981 said:
posted on December 23, 2006 12:13 AM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
gamecock4life post 93:
i would like to start out by saying that i seem like im in a frenzzy all the time, but im just a hardcore fan then it's good to hear that you are loyal to your team thats a hard thing to find in cola town these days (i really am complimenting you), my step father and my half brothers are all carolina fans, and i hear excuses from them and my carolina friends, i am extreamly passionate for my program, i bleed orange, and i live for clemson football, and when the carolina fans on here bash my team, i will continue to bash back, i do not let down. and for caolina leaving the ACC i guess that depends on where your from, what i have been tought and heard and learned over the years, carolina left the ACC because they were not successful, i could arguee with you over that forever, and i wont back down from what i know, im sure you would do the same, so when no comprimise is meet just drop it, and then the talk of clemson heisman winner comes up, do you not remember the man that trophy is named after coached at clemson, led us to our first undefeated season, and no heisman winner at clemson, yeah i know im not going to deny that, i still belive to this day perry tuttle should have won the heisman but thats another story, and you say carolina has that heisman trophy winner, george "crack head" rodgers, but after college what did he do? and lets not forget george rodgers NEVER EVER scored a touchdown on a clemson defense, and thats fact. you can like clemson all you want but your still a gamecock, and my passion for clemson runs deep and my hatred for carolina runs deeper, so no matter what you say i will always have a response.
then usc 1973 post 92:
i have looked up over and over again the clemson golf team killing, have not found anything, found pleanty on ricardo hurley, but nothing involving a clemson golf killing, so if you could send me a link to that, that would be great, till then lets just stick to football ok? ok.GoVols67 said:
posted on December 23, 2006 12:16 AM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
VOLPIMP:
i never questioned your loyalty to the Vol's i never question a vol's fans loyaltiy, to me we are the greatest in the world, but as i said it is odd to hear a vols fan somewhat praise spurrier. i do appologize if i did offend you:)It's Time For Carolina Football said:
posted on December 23, 2006 12:19 AM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
gamecock4life post 93:
GREAT POINT!!! But I keep seeing all the rest of the Gamecock fans tell this clemson1981 guy to simmer down because he is defending his tigers, now i hate the tigers more than anybody who ever walked gods green earth, but the guys defending his team and you know good and well that we cocks get more fired up and defend our team just as he is doing, its part of the rivalry, but still regardless 31-28!!!!
GO COCKS!!!Charleston Gamecock said:
posted on December 23, 2006 9:28 AM — 4.88.57.177 — link — abuse?
Why don't everyone take a chill pill. With a microscope I can find bad behavior, losing records, successful records, bad coaches, good coaches, out-of-control players at ANY college in the United States. There is no such thing as my team's sins were smaller than yours therefore we are better than you. That is so juvenile. If your team can, and do, beat my team today then that's one thing, but if your team beat my team twenty five years ago so what! Ask Florida, Virginia Tech, Southern Cal fans how one coach can create history and then ask yourself if that same success can be created at other schools that had no real history.
It's ridiculous to think that because a team has a suspect history that it will never change. Good teams come around in cycles. Just because you win the National Title one year doesn't mean you are going to win it the next year. That's why we play the game.
Go Gators Fight Gators Lets Go said:
posted on December 23, 2006 1:14 PM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
post 92:
i do not think that clemson1981 was saying that clemson had a spotless record as far as athletes go, he never said that, but i also do not think he was talking about anyother clemson athetic team besides football, so the mention of golf on this site really has no meaning to teh topic at hand.Cock-N-Fire! said:
posted on December 24, 2006 9:11 AM — 71.68.50.70 — link — abuse?
Ok, I'm done throwing Clemson1981 a bone - I was just having a little fun with the whole IPTAY, wheelbarrow, headupyourass.com thing!
As far as our Bowl Game - I feel pretty good about it when you look at SoS. )Strength of schedule) I think that evens out their records a little better. That QB can light it up and our DB's need to attentive all game (something that eluded them in a couple big games this year) but in the end I think Darth Visor will have it together. Last year's bowl game stil pisses me off!!
I think a more interetsting topic for our in-state cowtippers is this...how do you think you'll do against Kentucky?? Besides one blow out to LSU and an early season loss to LOU, I think they are going to give Bowdown all he wants!
So Cal - if you don't like the SC drama then take it on over to another thread. We won't miss you.
clemson1981 said:
posted on December 24, 2006 1:14 PM — 74.226.219.73 — link — abuse?
C-DOGG:
you do realize that that was already mentioned on hear and we al ready had a disscussion about it right? so its not really hott of the wire, that happened thursday, and he made a mistake i admit, but im still supporting him.
cock-n-fire post 107:
you have an extreamly good point, i belive (unfortunatly) that carolina will win there bowl, but not with offense but with that d of yours, its good and if you can conatain houstons QB you will be fine. as far as the game against UK goes there is no doubt in my mind we can win, the boys are still fired up after the carolina loss, and if procter keeps his head in the game and spiller and davis do well, its a clemson win, and a 9-4 record.Tomcat said:
posted on December 24, 2006 6:42 PM — 69.153.81.120 — link — abuse?
#107 I agree these rivalies are always fun, he cant understand. The Gamecocks are probably gonna clobber Houston. I think S.C. is gonna win, however I'll be pulling for the Cougs.
Kentucky is a pretty physical team those Tigers better be ready.
Peace on earth Feliz NavidadMrGamecockFan said:
posted on December 25, 2006 6:06 PM — 63.167.255.30 —
gatorhippy said:
posted on December 18, 2006 10:20 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?Classic Spurrier...
I love it...