September 17, 2007
You stay classy, Tommy Bowden
Isn't there an old saying... "It's better for everyone to think that you're an idiot than to open your mouth and prove them right"?
Someone should impart that on Clemson Head Coach Tommy Bowden, who gave a long distance slap to Lloyd Carr and the Michigan Wolverines following CU's lackluster performance against Furman.
Furman recovered two onside kicks, passed for more yards (384-377), held the Tigers to just 60 yards rushing and recorded five sacks.Bowden was a little perturbed at the questioning of a 28-point win and spun it back at the Wolverines.
"We won. That's not something Lloyd Carr can say," Bowden said to reporters after the game.
Ah, yes. The old deflect & duck defense. Classy, classy, classy.
At least the Detroit Free Press had the stones to retort.
Guess all those Peach Bowl appearances have gone to Clemson coach Tommy Bowden's head.
Hat Tip: Senator Blutarsky
Comments:
Clemson Joe said:
posted on September 17, 2007 7:14 PM — 24.168.208.54 — link — abuse?
I know Tommy Bowden personally, and used to see him every day. He IS actually a very classy, and respectful guy. I really don't have a problem with what he said. A statement like that would be commonplace for Tommy's in state counterpart, but somehow this is being covered. That doesn't make sense to me. Although hypocrisy is quite prevalent in the media, so I guess I need to learn to expect it.
I haven't really been much of a fan of Tommy Bowden as a coach, and until we win all of the games that we should, I won't like him. However, as a person he is a great guy and I have a lot of respect for him.
Obviously, some fans will see this as me simply trying to stick up for a fellow Clemson guy. In a way, yes I am; but really I'm just sticking up for a good guy overall. I've always said that our baseball coach is a jack@ss and Carolina has a complete class act as a head coach. I would quickly stand up for Ray Tanner's character, just as I did here with Bowden.
The bottom line is what he said is the truth, no matter how you try to spin it. I wonder if the Detroit Free Press would like to see Clemson play Michigan right now? I certainly wouldn't mind it.
1st_and_NOLE
posted on September 17, 2007 7:26 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
said:
Clemson Joe:
I fully agree. Tommy Bowden is a great person. He's usually very classy and respectful to everyone.
You also bring up a good point about Tommy's in state counterpart saying much worse things.
However, this little cheap shot IS out of character for Tommy. Even though Tommy is a great person, this still has to be classified as a blow below the belt.
RazzMaTazz said:
posted on September 17, 2007 7:27 PM — 70.137.147.191 — link — abuse?
I also thought Tommy Bowden's comments about Lloyd Carr were classless. Last year TB made an embarrassingly petty, jealous comment about Steve Spurrier getting a pay raise. And after the FSU game when the reporter asked TB on national TV, what it meant to him to have his dad (Bobby) say that he did a great job, Tommy replied, "It doesn't happen very often." To me came off as criticism about his dad's personality-- though I gave Tommy the benefit of the doubt hoping that he meant something else. Also this year, he made some comments about the QB situation that must have hurt Harper's confidence and security. Basically TB shouldn't even be allowed to talk to the press. He doesn't seem to think before he speaks. He sets a bad example for the players with his mouth.
Clemson Joe said:
posted on September 17, 2007 9:38 PM — 24.168.208.54 — link — abuse?
col reb:
Yes, I'm actually a slave. I shined his shoes and cleaned his toilets. I cooked for them, and did their laundry. Grow up, imbecile.It seems like any time you actually try to express a sincere opinion on here, some idiot comes out with playground cheap shots. It's quite disheartening actually. Nice one though buddy. I hope you are proud of yourself. Give yourself a gold star by your name for the day.
Diggs:
I assume you are a WVU fan (if not, mea culpa)? Ask your coach what he thinks of Tommy Bowden. All I've ever heard come out of his mouth is nothing but respect for Bowden.Bo Bo:
Yes, it is true. It is a bit out of context in my opinion, but yes, it is true.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on September 17, 2007 10:20 PM — 76.114.231.180 — link — abuse?
Clemson Joe,
Yes, you're right I am a WVU Fan and I've never had anything bad to say about any of the Bowdens period.
However, this was classless and he didn't have to go that route.
I may have went a little overboard with the whole #1 asshole list but he definitely needs to realize that was uncalled for.
I just think that there were many different ways to go about explaining a sub par performance.
Example: "Well I tell you what Furman came to play today and they played hard".
Another example: "Wow, what a year of college football so far.....shewwwwww".
I think those were more logical choices.....
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on September 17, 2007 10:40 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
1) Wonder why Kevin did not post what the FSU coaches had to say after the Clemson loss... I am begining to see what you Gator fan's are complaining about.
2) RazzMaTazz, if you are going to post something like you did on post #5 get it right
Reporter: what does it feel like to beat your father at FSU
Tommy: I don't know I have never done it before, for that matter Clemson does not do it often. This last time was 1989.
RazzMaTazz, he complimented his father and the whole FSU program. And the comments about Harper are answering questions about Korn. Go back where ever you came.
3) I am sorry Tommy said that. He should not have said that. But I have to wonder why the Atlanta, Columbia, Charlotte, Orlando, Jacksonville, Miami, Roanoke and Charleston papers did not run the story? These papers have a great deal of ACC coverage.
4) BO BO, on a lighter note. I bet Furman could take Michigan. Or give them a good game. Those schools from the Southern Conference are tough. I remember Ga. Southern giving Georgia fits not too long ago.
Cock'n'Fire South Carolina 101 said:
posted on September 17, 2007 10:49 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
im suprised i didnt know clemson sucked that bad...i mean of course furman is good but not that good...they are a top team for their subdivision but not for clemsons...i didnt see the game but by the score i was mad because i thought furman would do alot better but turns out they played a good game...however its not gonna be as easy playing south carolina in november...that will be their hardest game all year and i highly doubt they will win hehe
GO COCKS!
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on September 17, 2007 11:03 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
1st and Nole,
Vic Koening was very offended after Jimbo Fisher said the FSU beat themselves and should have won the game. He did not give the other team credit..... Same thing Tommy did. But in fairness to Tommy... the comment was made praising the Southern Conference(I think Kevin knew that) .... in other words he was saying "yes they are good, at least we beat a team from the Southern Conf. Michigan did not..... Heck, he gets it honest. Not from Bobby but from Mom...
Cock'n'Fire South Carolina 101 said:
posted on September 17, 2007 11:07 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
post 15 hehatelennie
i dont think spurrier will be here long enough to see another loss against clemson because i thinks hes got like 7 more yeers, so unless we get another coach with the last name spurrier who isnt very good then i have no idea what you are talking about
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on September 17, 2007 11:08 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
Cock n Misfire,
I was waiting for you to chime in. A 28 point win is not bad. Do you think LSU is going to get 3 picks like SC State? Are you concerned at all that LSU is going to beat you? are you still predicting a 31-17 Gamecock win?
The Shamecocks are going to have to play a whole lot better than they did against SC State if they are going to beat LSU.
I did not know South Carolina sucked that bad. A mid-level team from the MEAC and you only won 38-3?1st_and_NOLE said:
posted on September 17, 2007 11:10 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
Koening probably overreacted. Fisher gave Clemson a lot of credit but at the same time he criticized his own team for not winning the game when they could/should have on certain drives. There's no doubt Clemson played great but there's also no doubt FSU had several chances to win the game but didn't execute.
Regan said:
posted on September 17, 2007 11:14 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
I wish I had a nickel for every time someone got caught saying something at the spur of the moment in public without getting a chance to think and it gets taken out of context and blown out of proportion.
Now in the YouTube and Blog eras, I'd really be piling on some real dough.
From what I know of TB, though, yeah...pretty sure he wishes he could get that one back.
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on September 17, 2007 11:15 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
1st and Nole,
the thing that bothered me about the FSU win was how our coaches let the game get away.
With 2:09 to play in the third we are up 24-3 and have the ball 2nd and 6 at the FSU 32. We hand off to Davis and he picks up the first down at the FSU 22. A hold brings it back, then a sack and then a bad snap when we punt. I really believe if we just run the ball and kick a fg... we go up 27-3 and I am not sure you have it in you to come back. Our coaches must do a better job.Regan said:
posted on September 17, 2007 11:20 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
1st_and_NOLE (#19):
For the record, you're right; Fisher did give Koening's defense lots of credit, claiming he had never seen anything like what he did in the 1st Quarter.
Lack of info in the immediate aftermath, IMHO. FSU seems to be a classy bunch, I'm sure there wasn't a real slap intended.
1st_and_NOLE said:
posted on September 17, 2007 11:22 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
I agree Clemson probably got too conservative and as a result let all the momentum get away from them much of a 2nd half.
That game SHOULD have been WF all over again.
But, no matter what the reason, FSU had a few good chances to win but they simply weren't good enough to get the job done.
Good win for Clemson.
Cock'n'Fire South Carolina 101 said:
posted on September 17, 2007 11:23 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
post 18 and 20 mr CU total tiger,
dood ur math is terrible...we won by 35 points not 28...and there was 4 pics not 3...and that was no suprise for me i expected that...if u notice 3 of the 4 pics they made were they exact play after south carolina made an interception...im telling you its all his plan steve spurrier is genious, the passes were so bad they had to be on purpose except for 1 that or back up threw i will give sc state credit for that one and sc state was a pretty good football team i have to say...and ur tigers didnt seem to hot against furman so i dont know what ur so hyped up on
WB said:
posted on September 17, 2007 11:25 PM — 66.191.165.116 — link — abuse?
Bowden just got a little defensive and said something he probably regrets. He would take it back if he could, I'm sure. I hate Clemson, but I have seen enough of Bowden to see his demeanor at times. That's my 2 cents on this one.
Go Gamecocks!
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on September 17, 2007 11:26 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
1st and Nole,
I have a bad feeling about NC State. I did not think they had much after they lost to Central Florida... but had the quarterback not fumbled late, i belive Central Florida would have beaten Texas.
The other loss they had was to BC.... I think BC is the best team in the league this year. Ever get those bad feelings?WB said:
posted on September 17, 2007 11:26 PM — 66.191.165.116 — link — abuse?
Bowden just got a little defensive and said something he probably regrets. He would take it back if he could, I'm sure. I hate Clemson, but I have seen enough of Bowden to see his demeanor at times. That's my 2 cents on this one.
Go Gamecocks!
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on September 17, 2007 11:29 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
Cock n Misfire,
I tell you what i am so hyped on... YOU PLAYED a MEAC team.... a horrible conference and an average team for that conference and had not 3 but 4 pics.... That is pathetic.
So what you are saying is that Steve Spurrier told the qb to throw interceptions?HeHateLennie said:
posted on September 17, 2007 11:31 PM — 70.112.114.73 — link — abuse?
Hey cocks in socks...now I sound like Dr. Suess...your a cute kid..SC strings together some wins now they're ready to play USC lol !!! Tell you what after LSU devours SC we'll go to toys r us and buy you some gi joes.
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on September 17, 2007 11:35 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
WB Post 30,
I am sure he wishes he could take it back. But no one around here is talking about it. None of the papers that cover the ACC have said word one. Now it might hit tomorrow or Wednesday.
And it was taken out of context as he praised the Southern Conference. But like i said earlier... he gets it honest. have you ever heard some of the things his mom has said? And Terry was not the most diplomatic either.Cock'n'Fire South Carolina 101 said:
posted on September 17, 2007 11:42 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
post 32 mr cu total tiger,
im honestly not sure if he did but knowing steve spurrier anything could happen and he could be working up his best scheme yet and come sept 22nd well see it all unfold i cant wait to see what happens...also other than those interceptions youll notice that we kicked their asses really bad we played good in every other way possible...maybe the ol wasnt so hot but thats our only problem that we need work on but by next week spurrier will have it all figured out...also if u noticed sc state was ranked like 10th in the d-1A championship subdivision polls so they are a pretty good team but their no frigin LSU or something...and furman is a decent team too im suprised they scored as little as they did but it still looks liek they played good
and post 33 hehatelennie
i may only be 16 years old and a junior in high school but that doesnt mean you should talk to me like im frigin 3 years old...and even if lsu does win they arent going to destroy us but my prediction remains 31-17 and if that actually is the exact score then im going to be like damn
FSUSneak said:
posted on September 17, 2007 11:53 PM — 67.191.119.21 — link — abuse?
I took that comment exactly as he said it; it's true. Could he have sugar coated it a bit??? Yeah, but it was asked in the heat of the moment and that's the way it came out. I've heard that same comment re-worded as in: that's not something Me$h*tgin can say. Hope the Tigers do something with the start they have, this year. Tommy Bowden is probably the one son who is most like his Dad...humorous, smart, and definitely a class-act.
Also, NCSt. sucks this year. I can see the turn-overs already...
Clemson Joe said:
posted on September 18, 2007 12:47 AM — 24.168.208.54 — link — abuse?
The Southern Conference could hang with the Sunbelt. Some SoCon teams are probably better than the Sunbelt's best.
Prediction:
App State: 45
Furman: 38Sadly, I won't get to go to this one. For "small college" football, it doesn't get better than this game. If you find yourself in Greenville, SC on Sat. Oct. 27 at 3:30, stop by Furman for one fun football game.
Rtpayton said:
posted on September 18, 2007 1:06 AM — 74.129.69.31 — link — abuse?
Carr is more than likely out of a job at the end of this season at least until some lesser program picks him up in hopes of a turn around with him...Mich was overrated...again a programs history gets them a ranking...big surprise...
Not the best thing for Bowden to say but what he said was true...so at least he's not a liar..:)..well not entirely Mich did manage to beat a ND team full of freshman and sophomores...maybe they should have scheduled them for their season opener..
A Win is a win regardless of how ugly it is or not..and nothing is more ugly than being the #5 team in the nation and losing to a 1-AA at HOME...
Air Raid said:
posted on September 18, 2007 2:05 AM — 69.6.175.213 — link — abuse?
Clemson really dissapoints me. This should be their time to shine with Miami and FSU in slumping years, but we all know old Tommy boy could mess up a cup of coffee, so until he is fired you will continue to see an ACC team with 3 or 4 losses end up playing in a BCS bowl because their terrible confernece(in recent years) gets an automatic bid.
Wreck EmCUTotalTiger said:
posted on September 18, 2007 3:30 AM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
Air Raid,, you are really not very smart are you. the fact that a league, any league, has parity, does not mean it is not good. the Best thing that could happen to the SEC is that someone other than LSU or Florida win the conference this year.
You can only count one team out of the coference race in the ACC. In the SEC, Ole Miss, Auburn, Miss. State and Vandy have no chance this year. And we are just in week three.RazzMaTazz said:
posted on September 18, 2007 4:44 AM — 70.137.147.191 — link — abuse?
CUTotalTiger: You are 100% wrong about Bowden's comments after the FSU game and I was 100% right. I recorded the game and I just rewatched it. Here's the exact quote...
Reporter: What does it mean for you to have your dad tell you 'Wonderful job'.
Tommy Bowden: Well it doesn't happen very often.
Even though you were 100% wrong, you made the classless comment to me, "Go back wherever you came". And I see you've posted other rude, insulting comments like the one to Air Raid above. So I can understand why you would see nothing wrong in Tommy Bowden's classless comments. How ironic!
At least you didn't try to defend Tommy's petty comments about Spurrier's pay raise. I guess even you couldn't defend that.Clemson Fan said:
posted on September 18, 2007 11:13 AM — 65.183.99.20 — link — abuse?
RazzMaTaz,
I own the DVD of the game and watched it.. You are distorting history. You have a future in the political arena. The quote was about beating his Father AT FSU. Why would you simply lie about that? Very intersting.......
So let's see,,, if you agree with Air Raid then what you are saying is that the NFL is not a good league because of the parity of the teams. Again. another great assessement on your part.
The comment about the pay raise was in reference to a question about Spurrier's new contract. He simply said 8 wins would not get him one. I loved Spurrier's answer... But that was just plain fun.. but I am sure you did not comprhend that.
Now Spurrier's comments after the Georgia game left something to be desired. He bascially said Georgia was not a good SEC team and the win was not big deal. That created a stir, so much so the Atlanta Constituition called him out on it.
but you simply lying about the 2006 FSU game is disturbing.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on September 18, 2007 12:09 PM — 76.114.231.180 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy,
Either way you slice it though it's a little different for the common man to get on a website and post what you think about a Coach compared to the Head Coach of a College Football team saying what was said directly to the media.
Even you should be able to agree with that??
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on September 18, 2007 12:26 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
RazzMaTazz,
Post 46.. Of course i am wrong! what was i thinking? Of course a sone wants to insult his father on national TV..... You are so right. I know i trash my family every chance i get.
If the comment about Spurrier's pay raise after an eight win season so petty.... then why did Spurrier react the next day?
gatorhippy
posted on September 18, 2007 12:39 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
Diggs (#49):
Is it though?
We all hide behind handles...
Tommy had the nuts to say it right out in front of everybody with nothing to hide behind...
If anything, maybe it'll set up a nice little rivalry should Mich and Clemson end up meeting in a bowl game in the near future...
Tommy's comment is no less classy than things I hear on quote boards every week...
RazzMaTazz said:
posted on September 18, 2007 12:40 PM — 70.137.157.63 — link — abuse?
I was referring to Tommy Bowden's recent comments after the 2007 Clemson-FSU game, not the 2006 game. I can post a video clip if you don't believe it.
I'm not defending Air Raid's opinion. I'm pointing out that your insulting comments like, "Air Raid,, you are really not very smart are you." are classless, just like many of Bowden's comments.
Tommy Bowden's exact quote about Spurrier's pay raise: "It's amazing how this thing works because I'm at a place where seven [wins] gets you fired. He's at a place where seven gets you a raise."
Spurrier's retort really put Tommy in his place, which I thought was great. But many of us thought that Bowden's comment was classless, petty, and jealous. However, after reading your other posts, I can see how you would think Bowden's comment was "just plain fun".Clemson Joe said:
posted on September 20, 2007 1:30 AM — 24.168.208.54 — link — abuse?
Bowden's response once he heard the Detroit Free Press' uneducated overreaction:
“I was shocked,” Bowden said. “Appalachian State and Furman are rivals, so it would be very natural for me to make a comparison. I guess people in that part of the country are not familiar with the Appalachian State-Furman rivalry and how close it’s been.”
Cock'n'fail (#53):
Your amazing insights have really built up your credibility here. Please, share more of your brilliance with us. I can't wait. I can always use a good laugh.
Idea for a new thread:
Carolina showing that class is prevalent from top to bottom. Right on time, too.
http://www.thestate.com/gamecocks/story/176628.html
RazzMaTazz said:
posted on September 20, 2007 4:07 AM — 70.137.156.122 — link — abuse?
Yesterday I read that Tommy Bowden said he called Lloyd Carr to explain because Tommy didn't mean his comments to be insulting to Carr or Michigan. I believe that. Tommy seems to make a lot of poorly worded statements that I'll bet he wishes he could take back. That's why I said in my original post #5 that he should be banned from talking to the press.
Cock'on'fire: They make things called PVRs and DVD recorders now, but you have to be able to read the instruction manual, so Carolina fans probably don't have them. :-)
I hope Clemson's AD takes notice of what Spurrier has accomplished at SC, and what a difference a top tier head coach can make. I wish we had hired him, because I think Clemson's historical dominance over SC is about to be reversed.
CUTotalTiger: You should have read my post #5 before you criticized it #50. You apparently missed the part where I said, "I gave Tommy the benefit of the doubt". And I fail to understand your reasoning that because Spurrier responded to Bowden's classless comment, somehow that makes Bowden's comment acceptable? Wow!U. of S. C. 1978 said:
posted on September 20, 2007 10:55 PM — 97.82.188.250 — link — abuse?
Yada Yada Yada. This reminds me of a pre-season poll. A coach can't say shinola with it being endlessly discussed. Classy, assy? What say we table discussion until the big interstate rivalry game has been played? Clemson has a large edge in the series, how do you like their odds this year? Personally, I think they should sit this one out. But that's what I always think, I call it the superfan mindset. Right this very minute, I believe we gonna beat LSU and advance to #11 in the polls. That is about all we will get when we win that game.
Clemson Joe said:
posted on September 20, 2007 11:02 PM — 24.168.208.54 — link — abuse?
U. of S.C. 1978 (#57):
USC deserves much higher than #11 if they beat LSU on Saturday. Personally, I don't think they have much of a chance, but we'll see. As for the big intrastate rivalry game, I think both teams have a big upside, but both have been known to collapse so it's far too early to assess that match up with any real certainty. They could both go into the game with great records, and that would be a lot of fun. I just wish they'd ditch having the game on Thanksgiving weekend.
cock'n'fire south carolina 101 said:
posted on September 24, 2007 1:40 AM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
damn i was at the airport in greenville on friday on my way to baton rouge and another flight was to raleigh next to us...i saw tommy bowden walk by he came up and said to me "hey how yall doin, you ever been to baton rouge?" i was speechless i just was saying "TOMMY BOWDEN?" in a shocking voice i was suprised he talked to me when i was covered in carolina gear i wanted to say something to him about this but i thought he might get mad at me or something and i didnt want him to think i was a dickhead carolina fan...i just didnt know what to say so i was like "uuuuuuhhhhhhhh yeah..............i mean no no i havent been there" i was just so freaked out that tommy frickin bowden came up and talked to me
KEVIN said:
posted on September 25, 2007 12:24 PM — 69.74.121.2 — link — abuse?
I am from a friendly opponent to Clemson. My friends and I will be taking an RV down to our first game in Death Valley later in the year.
Any thoughts/help on where is the best place to park/tailgate would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks.Clemson Joe said:
posted on September 25, 2007 4:07 PM — 75.182.55.172 — link — abuse?
Kevin (# 60):
I am pretty sure RVs are restricted, and I've never taken one to the game, so I can't help you much. If you were in a car, I'd say park in the grass behind the Library. However, I think your best option would be to call the athletic department. Have fun.
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1st_and_NOLE
said:
posted on September 17, 2007 7:12 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?LOL
Oh wow. Why the hell is Tommy Bowden calling out one of the greatest programs on the planet??? Why the hell is Tommy Bowden calling out a coach that's done things he never has? Like win their conference and a NC.
Jesus.
Good win for Clemson, most people don't know how good Furman is. Clemson is undefeated so far and putting together a potentially great season. But... don't take cheap shots at people and programs MUCH more accomplished.