January 9, 2007
Fanblogs Pre-Pre-Pre-Season Top 25
The 2006-2007 is barely over and... well, here we go again. Here's my attempt at the 2007 Pre-Pre Season College Football Top 25:
1) Florida
Whatever will Urban Meyer without Chris Leak? A lot, I suspect. If you're not sick of hearing about TE-BOW by now, you will be by the time the Gators run through the SEC. The Gators get four of their starting offensive lineman back to give Tebow time to run the Meyer spread attack. The Gators have to fill some holes on defense, but the schedule should give the Gators some help this year - Tennessee, Auburn, and FSU are all home games. In fact, UF only plays four away games (plus the Georgia game in Jax).
2) USC
The Trojans look to have ten starters back on defense and a Heisman-caliber QB in John David Booty. Despite the projected loss of all-everything WR Dwayne Jarrett, USC has plenty of depth ready to take the field on offense, too. Since Pete Carroll started working his magic in LaLa Land, the Trojans have been chock full of potential All-Americans just riding the pine. Carroll will roll them out and run through the Pac10 - again.
3) West Virginia
The Mountaineers have a soft OOC schedule (Ball State, Marshall, Mississippi State, Maryland and ECU) and lots of talent coming back. QB Pat White and RB Steve Slaton will be back to lead the offense. The road to the BCS still runs through Morgantown for the Big East and the 'Eers will be stocked up on couches.
4) Texas
Mack Brown has sowed, so now he intends to reap. QB Colt McCoy is back as a sophomore with Limas Sweed, Quan Cosby and company to throw to, so he should better his his 29 freshman TDs. Texas just hired Larry Mac Duff as Defensive Coordinator, which means the Longhorns LBs and secondary should improve. UT has class upon class of top recruits to draw on - which is why Texas is the class of the Big XII.
5) Virginia Tech
The Hokies have some questions to answer at QB after the Chick-fil-A Bowl "performance" of Sean Glennon. There's some depth there, so VaTech should be OK. You've still got Brandon Ore and 7 or 8 guys that can catch the ball. VPI had one of the stingiest defenses in the country and should be fine on that side of the ball. The ACC is up for grabs if VaTech wants it.
6) Wisconsin
Another top team with a QB to replace, but it's easy at Wisconsin: hand the ball to Heisman candidate P.J. Hill and get out of the way. The Badgers draw the short straw on scheduling. Wisconsin gets Michigan at home and Ohio State on the road - back to back. The good news? If the Badgers run the gauntlet, they should be looking at a BCS bowl.
7) Michigan
Forget the egg the Wolverines laid in the Rose Bowl, Michigan will be one of the best teams in the country. QB Chad Henne is back for his fiftieth season and he's got Mike Hart back. The defense has some holes to fill, especially in the middle of the line with DT Alan Branch leaving early. As long as Michigan forgets the Rose Bowl, they'll be just fine in 2007.
8) Nebraska
The Cornhuskers finished flat but showed some sparks of NU glory this year. The Huskers get Arizona State QB transfer Sam Keller eligible this year and that should mean more firepower for Nebraska. The road to the BCS is there for the taking in the Big XII and the Huskers have a clear path to the conference title game.
9) Ohio State
All the Buckeyes really need on offense is a QB to replace Troy Smith. The defense (which suffered this year against top competition) returns mostly intact with a full season under their belts. Mr. Sweatervest has gotten a lot of game experience for his returning players and the Buckeyes will be tough to beat in the Big10.
10) Arkansas
Heisman favorite Darren McFadden is back to lead the Hogs. Houston Nutt needs to diversify the offense to be successful, and to quiet QB Mitch Mustain's family. Arkansas has road games at LSU and Tennessee, but - more than the schedule - replacing SEC sack leader Jamaal Anderson and CB Chris Houston are huge priorities for the Hogs.
11) LSU
12) Oklahoma
13) Auburn
14) Rutgers
15) Tennessee
16) Florida State
17) TCU
18) Georgia
19) Clemson
20) Alabama
21) BYU
22) Oklahoma State
23) Wake Forest
24) Arizona
25) Maryland
Comments:
Big East Fan said:
posted on January 9, 2007 9:04 AM — 168.216.24.38 — link — abuse?
Congrats to Florida...But they will not be as lucky next season as this year...they could have easily lost 2 or 3 more games had things not gone their way (which is what you need to win National Title) With the SEC as strong as it is (the best in the country in my opinion) They will not finish #1 again.
My super early wishful thinking prediction is Virginia Tech vs. West Virginia for the BCS National Title. ACC vs. BE.
14UM said:
posted on January 9, 2007 9:10 AM — 209.168.248.130 — link — abuse?
What!? No Hurricanes!
Just kidding; after this past season, that's understandable. I wouldn't count us out, though. We do have a good number of starters returning.
Maybe you can put us in instead of one of the Wake Forests (#14, #24).
TenTex said:
posted on January 9, 2007 9:41 AM — 69.245.15.21 — link — abuse?
Kevin,
Enjoyed the blogging last night during the NC game.
Good thoughts on your poll. Was curious on your reasoning on LSU not in the top ten. VT opens up at LSU. I don't think they can take LSU in Baton Rouge that early in the season. Did you know that?
Evan said:
posted on January 9, 2007 9:50 AM — 66.57.23.85 — link — abuse?
aww man, where's the love for NC State? haha
Wake won't repeat their magic next year, too much happened by the grace of the fooball gods to have that happen again.
I def. don't think wake deserves to be #14 let alone on the list TWICE ;)
Quin said:
posted on January 9, 2007 10:01 AM — 129.252.70.40 — link — abuse?
I think you forgot to add South Carolina on ur top 10. Remember how they lost to Auburn, Arkansas, and Tennessee by 1 touchdown? And how the national champ Florida Gators barely got away alive thanks to a ring finger at the swamp? All of their starters in 06 are coming back in 07 with exception of 2. Look out for the Gamecocks!
posted on January 9, 2007 10:14 AM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue said:
Apparently I can't count to 25, but I got out my abacus & re-counted, so we're set now.
JZNole said:
posted on January 9, 2007 10:21 AM — 12.177.80.3 — link — abuse?
my problems - LSU is gonna be top 5. LSU is overloaded at QB, they'll be fine without Russell. Is Flynn still there? If not, Perilloux (sp?) will be a good one!
I don't see Ohio State being up there again. Their defense was awful in their last 2 games and without Ginn & Troy Smith, thats alot to overcome.
I don't really know anything about the QB situation, but with Ian Johnson coming back, and that coach, Boise State deserves to be in there, probably top 15.
WACOFF said:
posted on January 9, 2007 10:22 AM — 74.61.167.59 — link — abuse?
You Big (Whatervers) are so full of yourselves. Boise State Goes undefeated and you don't give them a spot in 25.
Colt Brennan: you Big Whatevers just can't stand the fact that Brennan is playing in the WAC. What about his performance in their bowl game. Oh! No pressure or competition. He only threw for 550 yards and 5 TD's. But he can't scramble, and he can't throw on the run. And he is in the WAC. Against Oregon State he was sacked four times and still threw for 400 yards and ran for a touchdown I believe if memory is correct.
BCS is BULLSHIT, Boise State should play Florida.
posted on January 9, 2007 10:26 AM — link — abuse?
Louisville is a huge question mark - so much so that I intentionally did not rank them. You've got a new coach, new offense, and two studs that are 75% to turn pro (Brohm & Bush). With all that, I think Louisville is an easy 3+ loss team next year. Even with those guys, Rutgers, USF, and WVU are stronger teams.
LSU is a wild-card. Who's the OC? Will Ryan Perriloux be eligible? (Have you heard those rumors??) How do they fill a couple holes on defense? There's no question that LSU *can* take the SEC West, but there is some question as to whether they *will*.
Boise State loses a lot of players from this year's team. I see them looking more like the team that Georgia thumped two years ago than the team that shocked OU.
Clemson has a ton of talent and a mandate to win. The pressure is on (again) for Tommy Bowden. The team completely quit down the slump, but prior to that, they had their fingers wrapped around the ACC crown and a BCS game.
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on January 9, 2007 10:31 AM — 67.97.209.35 — link — abuse?
Good list, Kevin, but I think you have to put LSU in the top five based on returning strength, bowl performance, and recruiting. West Virginia needs to grow a better defense before getting serious top-5 consideration. You could swap those two teams and call it my prediction.
TenTex said:
posted on January 9, 2007 10:33 AM — 69.245.15.21 — link — abuse?
Kevin, don't know about any rumors on Ryan Perriloux. Matt Flynn will be a senior next year and he was MVP of the Peach Bowl last year when LSU dominated Miami. Perrioux and Matt should make their QB position pretty solid.
Scott 51 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 10:53 AM — 216.135.81.2 — link — abuse?
Kevin,
No rational excuse for not including Louisville. Bush played all of one half of football for them this season. Hunter Cantwell, a sophomore and Brohm's back-up, actually played better than Brohm until Brohm came on fire for the last 4 games of the season. Harry Douglas, Urrutia, and a number of starters on both sides of the ball will be returning. The biggest loss will be Amobi Okoye, but if we can survive the loss lof Elvis Dumervil, we'll handle Amobi's loss just as efficiently.
Truthfully, I hope most of the pollsters feel the same way you do. Louisville's always been more dangerous as an underdog. Like most, you're assuming that Petrino's departure will devastate the program when, in fact, it will only serve to reenergize it.
GO CARDS!Zac said:
posted on January 9, 2007 11:03 AM — 65.31.228.13 — link — abuse?
I'm with Coach Rod on this one. Pre-season national rankings are found in Webster’s under "Boar with tits"; there's no point to them, except to illicit responses from a bunch of college football loving reprobates who think their team and conference are numero uno, no matter what anybody else thinks. It's the final ranking which tells the story. Though, I'm uncertain of this final ranking being capable of giving this story the justice it deserves. It began with the coin toss. FL, this years "guests" was given the task of choosing Heads or Tails. #1 in Blue immediately bent down and asked the kid, what he wanted; the kid selected tails, and it was on from there. In fact, Ginn's game opening TD kick-off return should have been called back; the same #1 who had the kid select the coin toss for them, was clearly held on the play. It didn't matter, however. As many a coach has been known to say; "It's just one play; shake it off." FL did just that, by taking full advantage of an OSU team that was quite suddenly without any identity, let alone continuity, save for one drive. If there's a team in this land that has a right to proud of itself after evening last, it's the FL Gators. Never in a million years had I seen that coming. My hat's off, Kudos, way to go; there're aren't enough accolades I can offer to all the gatormates out there (Yo, Gatorhippy! How about one more review; was that really OSU that FL played?) Except perhaps this: I once discussed the type of wine to have with pasta. I'm looking for a good wine to have with Crow. Likely, I'll be eating lots, and gladly.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 9, 2007 11:12 AM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
Our secondary gained instant improvement for next year with players like Quinton Andrews getting playing time, not to mention the current recruits we've landed this recruiting season. Look for WVU to improve vastly in the Secondary next season. Now the O-Line could be very Questionable??????
Big East Fan said:
posted on January 9, 2007 11:19 AM — 168.216.24.38 — link — abuse?
Ramblin' Gator: I agree WVU is in need of a better defense...but why are they 11th next season in your mind...They have finished 5th in 2005 and 10th in 2006 seasons with bowl victories in both seasons...the best of SEC in 2005 and 2nd best of the ACC in 2006. Next season Slaton and White will be Juniors (2 serious heisman candidates) The defense will improve next season because of experience and recruiting...Coach Rod has got a top 15 recruiting class for next season (his best and possibly WVU's best class ever).
I respect others opinions, but some opinions are utterly ignorant...WVU is a top 5 team, and should be favored to Win the Big East and get a BCS title shot.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 9, 2007 11:23 AM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
1. Florida ( too much talent in Gainesville for them no to be considered a pre-season favorite.
2. USC (Same as Florida. Just too much talent to be overlooked)
3. West Virginia ( 2 Offensive stars are returning and should only get better)
4. LSU ( there overall success can be attributed to their athletes more than there offensive coordinator)
5. Michigan ( Henne and Hart return to an improving team)
6. Arkansas ( The potential to challenge for the SEC title again next season )
7. Louisville (Proved this past season that they are not a one-man team. Kragthorpe as the new coach is the real question mark.)
8. Wisconsin (They shouldn't be as much of a suprise next season, but they should be just as good)
9. Alabama ( They were in every game last year. I expect Saban to have an immediate impact)
10. Va. Tech ( Beamer will have the Hokies back on contention for the ACC title)
11. Texas A&M ( They were less than 2 minutes and 6 points from going undefeated, before their bowl game against Cal. A very young team that has gained alot of experience)
12. Ohio State ( If they can find a QB. Their defense should only get better)
13. Texas ( A lot of talent in Austin, probably a favorite to win the Big12, but there is no Vince Young to overcome the lack of coaching)
14. Nebraska ( Its time for the Cornhuskers to step it up and they should next season)
15. Rutgers (The slipper has fallen off of Cinderella, but they are still a good football team that is very capable of another great season)
16. Florida State ( The only direction to go is up)
17. Georgia ( The SEC might be even tougher next season. The Bulldogs could suprise them all.)
18. Oklahoma (A lot of talent but there are still a lot of question marks)
19. Clemson (They'll have to play alot more consistent next season)
20. Arizona (The Pac 10 needs Arizona to step up and the Wildcats should be ready)
21. BYU ( There conference may not provide the SOS the Cougars need to be taken seriously, so they'll have to dominate to get any real recognition)
22. TCU (Too bad the Big12 didn't take the hornfrogs instead of Baylor)
23. Tennessee ( They play in arguably the best conference, but the Volunteers will be ready)
24. Iowa (They were a big disappointment last season, but maybe it was an eye-opener)
25. Auburn ( They always seem to be in the SEC mix)Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on January 9, 2007 11:53 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
Jim (post 5), before complaining that Louisville isn't in the poll and stating that if Brohm and Bush return they are national title contenders you should check to see who has already declared for the NFL draft... Bush! If he has already declared for the NFL draft, what makes you think that he is going to undeclare and return to a team that just lost its head coach. I know Louisville fans don't know a lot about college football, but thinking that is just crazy.
posted on January 9, 2007 12:03 PM — link — abuse?
@Scott51 - No rationale excuse for excluding Louisville? And here I thought comment #14 was rationale enough. Dang. ;)
Jim said:
posted on January 9, 2007 12:06 PM — 68.87.100.242 — link — abuse?
I still think if Brohm and Bush return I could coach Louisville and have a real shot.
Here is how I would do it, hey Brian do what you did last year and give it to that Bush guy every now and then, I am going to stand over here with a headset on and look like I know what is going on and try not to trip anyone or hurt myself. When is lunch.
TrojanHorse said:
posted on January 9, 2007 12:21 PM — 132.228.195.207 — link — abuse?
man you guys are getting worked up over something that is 8 months away; things will change; at least wait till the spring games to figure out who signed; who left early; who got injured; who got arrested; who got booted from school; who didn't cut the grades; what coaches left
all kinds of stuff to wait for
Jim said:
posted on January 9, 2007 12:28 PM — 68.87.100.242 — link — abuse?
@Tampa Hurricane #29
Sorry, I didn't know he had already declared, it does make a difference.
I still think they are solid, even without those 2, don't forget Hunter Cantwell all but beat a very good VaTech team in last years gator bowl and went on the road this year to Kansas St and Louisville handed out a whippin without Bush or Brohm.
Scott 51 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 1:43 PM — 216.135.81.2 — link — abuse?
Kevin,
Actually, my response WAS to your post #14. It was simply, in my opinion, not rational.
You refer to Bush and Brohm's departure, a new coach and a new offense as "question marks." What team doesn't have question marks at the onset of a new season? And even with a new coach in place, why would Louisville resort to a "new offense" after so much incredible success with their current system? I told you why I thought the loss of Brohm and Bush would be overcome. I also mentioned a number of returning quality players (8 starters coming back on offense, up to 7 on defense). Considering that Louisville has finished in the top 25 since 2004 - that includes 2 top ten finishes - and a proven system as well as proven athletes in place, it would indeed only be "rational" to consider them a top 25 pick for next year.
GO CARDS!
VTstudent said:
posted on January 9, 2007 1:50 PM — 65.222.145.18 — link — abuse?
Wow... I think VT is getting a little over ranked going into next year already. A good even a great defense doesn't win the big games without some sort of quarterback... and we're set up for one of the toughest schedules in the country next year. I hope we don't disappoint and the QB situation is put in capable hands.
PreProSports.com said:
posted on January 9, 2007 2:07 PM — 68.21.103.162 — link — abuse?
Bravo, Kevin. I think this was a good example of what gets people worked up on Fanblogs: Naked cheerleaders, BCS Playoff Discussion, and Pre-Pre-Pre Season Polls.
I'll be back for the Pre-Pre Season Poll in March and the Pre Season Poll in June, too.
And I'm taking Texas for the #1 slot right now.
VTstudent said:
posted on January 9, 2007 2:11 PM — 65.222.145.18 — link — abuse?
Louisville fans,
The reason has nothing to do with your offense that you are not in the pre-top-25 (other than offensive line) its your defense that will take a huge blow when they already underperformed last year... unless you have some superstars I don't know about coming off injury or a new scheme being developed, teams are going to run all over your D. Petrino's leaving just cuts injures an already hurting team.
JohnnyThompsonNo1 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 2:56 PM — 208.54.95.129 — link — abuse?
Texas needs to replace three, 3-year starters on the OL. I don't care who you are or how you recruit-you don't simply replace experience like Studdard, Blalock and Sendelein. Texas will struggle up front next season, I can guarantee you that.
Scott 51 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 3:25 PM — 74.128.192.160 — link — abuse?
VT Student,Can't really argue about our "underperforming" defense last year. They weren't stellar. But as for Petrino's departure injuring an "already hurting team", we did somehow manage to win 12 games this season.
Guess that's what you'd call "playing through the pain."
GO CARDS!
brian said:
posted on January 9, 2007 4:22 PM — 66.214.238.66 — link — abuse?
how about ucla? they will be returning more starters (20) than any other team in the country. the defense should be even better and with Ben Olsen and 9 other offensive starters coming back and Karl Dorrel stepping in as the offensive co-ordinator. a former high school all american kicker steps in for the departed Justin Medlock. this team is going to be very dangerous. they shuold start out the season somewhere between 15 and 20. the schedule is fairly favorable as well. the non-conference games are tough, but they do get BYU and Notre Dame at home and travel to utah to face what should be Utah team that will not be as good as this year's bunch. the toughest road pac-10 game will be at Arizona with Oregon, Cal and Arizona State coming to the Rose Bowl. don't be surprised if they are 11-0 going into the USC game. expect the Bruins to be BCS bound in 2007 with a trip to the Rose or Fiesta Bowl or possibly to the Sugar Bowl to play for it all. worst case scenario would be the Holiday Bowl. this team is going to be very good.
Scott 51 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 4:26 PM — 74.128.192.160 — link — abuse?
Michael Bush is leaving Louisville and that sucks. He was a great competitor, great player and by all accounts, a great person. If he heals properly, he'll be a great pro. Still, there are plenty of studs in the barn.
Remember the name Anthony Allen - they call him Baby Bush, but he plays like a very angry, very fast grown man. You'll likely hear plenty about him in '07.
GO CARDS!FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 9, 2007 4:33 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
It appears that CJ Spiller, freshman runningback for Clemson and 3 time ACC player of the week will be suiting up for the Gators in 2008.
...........As if Meyer needed any more offensive weapons.This isn't going to sit very well with the CLemson faithful.
BlueCobra said:
posted on January 9, 2007 4:36 PM — 69.226.215.73 — link — abuse?
Last week the Michigan AD said Michigan is looking for an opponent for a September game next season. This is chance for Auburn AD Jacobs, who complained that Auburn was having difficulty scheduling a big-name opponent for 2007, to step up and schedule a game that would help their BCS rating.
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on January 9, 2007 4:53 PM — 67.97.209.35 — link — abuse?
Big East Fan (regarding #24), Georgia Tech put 5 TDs on your beloved defense with a backup QB and yet you are calling me ignorant for saying WVU doesn't deserve to be a top 5 team? Sorry dude, but I think you are the ignorant one in this debate. As you suggest, I imagine WVU will likely win the Big East next year as coaching changes and graduation will take their toll on the competition and they might get to a BCS game in the end, but you seem to be ignoring some basic facts about this defense and their potential (which is limited, even with incoming recruits).
Gatorboy 40 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 5:04 PM — 210.233.200.24 — link — abuse?
Big East Fan (post #2) You can call it luck, but in the SEC that is how it is, and how we live. It is a dog fight week after week. Take a 1, 2, 3 point win, and be happy with it, many teams could not win by 1. The SEC is true dog fighting baby.
PopsMich said:
posted on January 9, 2007 5:12 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Ah Kevin, like a good Accountant this time of year, we get to close the books on 2006.
I've posted my "Sober Assessment: Final" of 2006 on the "Final Rankings" Blog (congrats UF, UM/OSU overrated, etc.).
So from here on out its only about 2007.....and unbounded optimism, of course.
Glad to see so little expected of UM in 2007. It'll be that much sweeter!
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 5:16 PM — 74.226.219.7 — link — abuse?
FanoftheGame post 49:
were do you live? just wondering i live about 10 miles from clemson university, and i talked to alot of my friends today and hell spiller even came out and said it, hes not going to transfer, so to everybody that heres it dont belive it, if it was true clemson would have made a statement by now when this rumor came out 2 weeks ago, so all of you are a little late on that issue if he was going to transfer he would have done it already, so to clarify from somebody with ties to the university and lives extreamly close to it, CJ SPILLER IS GOING NOWHERE!!!clemson1981 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 5:34 PM — 74.226.219.7 — link — abuse?
to tell it again to anybody who belives fanofthegames post on spiller leaving:
he came out said hes going nowhere and hes staying at clemson, this rumor came out 2 weeks ago folks, if he would have transfered it would have been before school started back!!!kevin kevin kevin:
i must say i like to see clemson on that top 25, makes my heart leap!!! BUT as loyal as a tiger as i am, and i have been since i was born 15 years ago, we dont need to be that high on anybodys list and for the firs time (i cant belive im going to say it) USC (carolina) should be ranked ahead of us, us and carolina swaped this year, we started stong and finished bad, and they started slow and finished strong, and finishing stong matters more, but with our recruits and the returing players we will climb up there, as far as carolina goes yes very good and very young, but hopefuly they will not turn out like clemson this year, close to that SEC title but fall, and QUIN man come on you sound pathetic, oh carolina only lost by 1 TD to this team and that team, get over it man a loss is a loss and they dont count towards top 25 rankings, but i think my beloved tigers should be lower, but hey ill take it.
MY TOP 10:
1. Florida
2. West VA
3. So Cal
4. Va Tech
5. Michigan
6. Ohio State
7. Texas
8. Rutgers
9. Wisconson
10. OklahomaSoonerTaft said:
posted on January 9, 2007 5:37 PM — 69.154.31.66 — link — abuse?
I know we havent proved a lot in the last three BCS bowl games and I'm not proud about that, but OU has a lot of talent for next year. Next year OU wins National Championship. Oh and Kevin, in the Red River Shootout next year OU is going to cream Texass (noticed you ranked them preprepre season 4).
M GO BLUE said:
posted on January 9, 2007 5:38 PM — 216.46.211.242 — link — abuse?
Tom Well's SR, State Penn has to play Michigan at the Big House........Ok it's over already,and when was the last time Penn state beat Michigan? Michigan has won the last 7....or is it 8?.....You have a problem when I can't remember if we have beat penn state 7 or 8 times in a row.
True_FSU said:
posted on January 9, 2007 5:39 PM — 168.82.56.100 — link — abuse?
VT HAS A HARD SCHEDULE NEXT YEAR?
East Carolina, William and Mary, Ohio U?
They already play the joke side of the conf. with DUKE and UNC every year! That is 5 free games!GT, BC and UVA are moderate challenges.
IF Miami and FSU play like they did this year those are free games.
LSU is the only hard non-con game for them. Clemson is never a free game for anyone but they show up to half the games each year so it is 50/50 on whether they even intend to play... Even then it isn't a tough game.
That schedule is laughable. So is playing east carolina for most of the next decade btw.
FSU schedule next year:
Non-con: UAB, Alabama, Florida, Colorado (note 3 BCS schools, two sec schools all BCS games are AWAY).
From the Coastal: Miami (home), VT (Away), and luckily duke (home).
Let us remember our side is Wake Forest (Away), Clemson (Away) and Boston College (Away). We also have Maryland and NC state at home.That is a much more impressive schedule!
M GO BLUE said:
posted on January 9, 2007 5:41 PM — 216.46.211.242 — link — abuse?
OK BUCKEYE'S! NEXT SEASON YOU WILL LOSE THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONSHIP GAME TO MICHIGAN AND WE WILL REPRESENT OUR CONFERENCE IN A BCS BOWL,AND LOYD CARR WILL RETIRE AT THE END OF NEXT SEASON AFTER BEATING OHIO STATE AND A BOWL WIN!
JohnnyThompsonNo1 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 6:22 PM — 66.241.164.55 — link — abuse?
OU will have a starting QB that has never taken a collegiate snap. That is a rock solid guarantee for at least two losses, possibly more. I could see Oklahoma losing 4-5 games next year, easily. Too bad Sam Keller is up at Nebraska huh?
COUG02 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 6:36 PM — 71.213.19.154 — link — abuse?
BEn olsen has already shown his true colors. He is a weiner who thought skipping out on BYU was a good idea. In all reality he has only hurt himself. Cowan has to be the starter going into spring ball. They have BYU at home BUt i disagree with your idea on utah. They return a lot of power and they are always hard to beat at home.
Prediction:
Ucla 8-5 With a early season loss to the BYU cougarsCW said:
posted on January 9, 2007 7:48 PM — 66.226.47.243 — link — abuse?
Poll,
Well Kevin it looks ok except you need to omit the following from the top 10:
USC-W, WVA, Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio State, VT - to reflect the final poll.
1. Florida
2. Alabama
3. LSU
4. Texas
5. Auburn
6. Georgia
7. Wake Forest
8. Florida State
9. Virgina Tech
10. Rutgers
11. Miami
12. Ohio State
13. Kentucky
14. Wisconsin
15. Clemson
16. Maryland
17. Michigan
18. Georgia Tech
19. West Virginia
20. Texas Tech
21. USC - South Carolina
22. Southern Miss
23. USCW - Trojans
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 9, 2007 8:21 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Mooka:
Thanx for rating USC as "the best of the rest". I appreciate that. You do understand that it is a mathematical impossibility that the Top Seven teams can all come from the same conference - don't you. You're six and seventh teams are gonna have four losses minimum. I know your clownin' though. But, at least you recognize that the Trojans would finish no less that 8th in the SEC. We're all grateful for that prop.
Now here's mine:
1. USC
2. Florida
3. LSU
4. Michigan
5. Texas
6. Georgia
7. West Virginia
8. California
9. Rutgers
10. TennesseeTommie T
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 9:03 PM — 74.226.219.7 — link — abuse?
i have a question to all you people who keep on ranking BAMA in your top 10 and top 5. how do you figure bama should be that high? they lost there bowl game and finished what 6-7? yeah you got saban but how should that count towards rankings? just wondering ya know maybe your fans and i have no problem with that, but if your not how do you figure they should be there?
Big East Fan said:
posted on January 9, 2007 9:38 PM — 129.71.136.51 — link — abuse?
Rambling Gator: (Post #51). As I said in post #24, I admit WVU's defense was weak this past season (They had to replace 4 of 5, 3 year starters in a 3-3-5 defense) Those 4 are returning next season plus Coach Rod has recieved verbal commitments from some 2 of the Junior colleges best lock down corners. Also, over 10 safeties in this recruiting class...the defense will improve.
I said that you were ignorant because you have them ranked #11 for next season...they were #5 in 2005 and #10 2006. 2005 was a offensive rebuilding year. 2006 was defensive rebuilding year...2007 is the year of the Mountaineer buddy. they are loaded on both sides of the ball. Having them ranked worse than the previous 2 seasons is well ignorant...and I stand by that statement.
To conclude, Steve Slaton had 3 carries in the Gator Bowl...he was injured and WVU still rushed for over 300 yards on a team that had been giving up less than 100 per game. Hope that clarifies the issue. Your statement/opinion was ignorant.
steve-O said:
posted on January 9, 2007 10:31 PM — 68.70.51.207 — link — abuse?
There's BigEast Potential...even after the VILLE's setbacks, they are still left with a capable QB, excellent recieving corp and a strong rushing attack.
1. Florida
2. Texas
3. West Virginia
4. Michigan
5. USC
6. Louisville
7. Wake Forest
8. LSU
9. Rutgers
10.TennesseeSouth Florida somewhere around 18
posted on January 9, 2007 10:37 PM — 74.93.5.150 — link — abuse?
clemson1981, simple math. You're looking at last year's team record. Alabama is returning a lot of starters. They have one of the best quarterbacks in the nation and Protho will be returning. He will have a hugh impact on the offense.
Do the math for yourself.
GA Boy said:
posted on January 9, 2007 10:43 PM — 66.110.197.20 — link — abuse?
Can't wait until next year. GA finished as hot as any team this year, beating 3 ranked opponents in a row to squeak back into the AP Poll. Richt has learned the error of his ways and has handed the play calling off to young Bobo. It is going to be a glorious year next year for my Georgia Bulldogs. If you have read my post, you know I call it like I see it with the DAWGS. I don't let my emotions get the best of me. I knew we would have a tough time this year having a 5th consecutive top 10 finish, but mark it down now. DAWGS will win the National Title next year! GO DAWGS.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 9, 2007 11:23 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
GA Boy:
I see Stafford as the one guy in the country who will emerge next year and make an impact on the National scene. He looked really really good there at the end. He'll go into spring ball and emerge as a legitimate big time QB next year. This is the guy. Georgia has also put together a great recruiting class this year, to compliment, all the other pieces that are already in place. It's too bad they had to lose that DT Johnson. That dude was an animal. The SEC has had no QB like Stafford, on any of the perennial powers, in several years. This could put them over the top. We'll see if Tebow can throw it like this guy does. I doubt if he can. I think the QB edge goes to Georgia in the SEC next year. Let's see if any of those receivers can hang onto it though.
Tommie T
Ole Miss Fan said:
posted on January 9, 2007 11:55 PM — 143.112.144.129 — link — abuse?
Don't forget that Ole Miss will be coming of off back to back top 16 recruiting classes and Brent Shaeffer will have time to learn the offense this year. Also we played 17 true freshmen last year and that team took LSU to overtime in Baton Rouge,Bama to overtime in Tuscaloosa, lost to Georgia by 5, and lost to Auburn by 6.
Scott said:
posted on January 10, 2007 12:00 AM — 68.35.194.40 — link — abuse?
@ Tommie T
I wouldn't leave out X Lee at FSU, with Jimbo Fisher there to coach him up that guy may be a surprise- his arm is stronger than and he is faster than J Russ. He has all the tools, just needs some corners rounded off.
Sunshine Mountie said:
posted on January 10, 2007 12:14 AM — 71.101.3.180 — link — abuse?
It is refreshing that no idiot has even mentioned Notre Dame in their postings for this topic, isn't it? Anybody want to bet the "real" polls give them MFS (Most Favorable Status) even though they are always vastly overrated and play the weakest schedule known to man year after year. I'm guessing in the 15-20th range opening up just because they field a team.
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on January 10, 2007 12:55 AM — 68.59.5.49 — link — abuse?
A couple of comments to keep things stirred up.
West Virgina should be there when it is all over. Wonderful coach, greath athletes and easy schedule.
NEVER bet against Southern Cal... They have the best coach in college and a stockpile of players. I still do not understand how they could allow themselves to be unprepared to play UCLA for the right to regain the national title.
Too many things happening at Alabama coupled with the schudle to expect a top 10 finish. But ending in the top 20 would be special
Watch out for Georgia. I am not sure what was said and to who after losing to Vandy and Kentucky in the same season. But my goodness look at the finish.
If FSU can find a quarterback, then I do not see how anyone can stop them. Everything is there. DANGER NOLE FANS. A slow start with last year's season and you think the stadium was empty when you played Wake Forest.... you have not seen anything.
Putting three Big 10 teams in the top 10 is a little much to take (this coming from someone who defended them prior to the bowls)... but then I am sure they will be there. Just do not deserve it.
I like Texas... Start a freshman at quarterback and win 7 or 8 and that speaks volumes for the future.
Teams that could make a splash or sleepers SEC- South Carolina, however they must replace 60% of starters on o-line and the schedule is brutal. Big 12- Oklahoma, coach is there, talent is there, fan base is there... quarterback? ACC - Va. Tech... the schedule sets up nicely, but still must win some key games PAC-10 UCLA.. anyone who can beat USC when USC is playing for a shot at the natioal title has to be respected.
Big East - Lousiville.... coach... Big-10 well there are three in the top 10 so i am not sure I can pick a sleeper.OU Fan said:
posted on January 10, 2007 7:07 AM — 139.139.161.12 — link — abuse?
JohnnyThompson1 post 3, dude you must be crazy if you think that OU will have 4-5 losses next season. The amount of seniors that OU loses this season is very, very small. OU has 4 of their 5 starting O-linemen returning. They still have 2 very good RB's. And most of the defense will be back. Paul Thompson was a very inexperienced QB and look what happend this season, 11-3 with a Big 12 Championship. I see the Sooners being a much better team next season. Go Sooners!
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on January 10, 2007 8:53 AM — 68.157.6.3 — link — abuse?
(Ignorant) Big East Fan, a team that ranked 5th last year and 10th this year is on a trendline downward, not upward. Also, you will have to explain to me how - as you claim - a 15th ranked class of incoming freshman translates to a top 5 defense. You mention Slaton and sure he's great and I never questioned WVU's offense - it's their defense that's crap.
If they had a new DC coming in AND a group of talented freshman coming in AND some gifted upperclassmen returning, then I could agree with you about WVU having a potential top 5 defense. Such as it is, they have none of these things.
If your argument was that the offense was going to be so great that they could overcome the inabilities of the defense and "be worthy" of the top 5, I might believe that. However, that's not your argument.
You can call me ignorant all you want, but you're dreaming.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 10, 2007 9:26 AM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
Clemson1981:
You are correct. Allthough Spiller said he was considering a transfer closer to home (Florida), coach Bowden evidentally, convinced him to stay at Clemson in their meeting on Tuesday. This is definately good news for Clemson, even if its not the best decision that Spiller has made.
True_FSU said:
posted on January 10, 2007 10:20 AM — 168.82.56.100 — link — abuse?
Yon Gator,
Our deluded friend from the big east did make one important point. Easy Schedule. They play in the big east... you don't need much of a defense when cincinati, Uconn, Syracuse and Pitt are all free games. I think marshall and maryland are non-con games which aren't extremly rough then we have the East Carolina Pirates again probably and some hardcore I-AA action like app state or something.I don't think Rutgers will compete next year, I would be suprised if we hear from them or ACC Wake Forest again to any significant degree. Teams to watch next year are USF, WVU and UL. UL probably won't do all that much next year. Each team is 1-1 against the other two in the last two years now and they have to simply avoid upsets against other big east wannabees to all contend for the conference. This Grothe kid is something special too, he plays with some serious heart and skill.
Also some seriously inane questions are floating in this thread. Preseason rankings are about potential NOT performance from this year. Alabamas season, Boise's season etc. do not come into play. Boise has little potential next year. Alabama has lots. Aside from which boise would be 6-7 if they played in the SEC too. Both teams beat Hawaii. Alabama beat them by a greater margin. Performance from this year does play some part, I grant that, but not much. This is how FSU ends up ranked repeatedly after 5 lackluster seasons and one suck season and will probably end up ranked next year to start after this suck season. Wasted potential... The potential to be great was there, especially when we had such an easy season this year (8 home games, non-con was trash except florida).
Jim said:
posted on January 10, 2007 10:41 AM — 68.87.100.242 — link — abuse?
Ramblin' Gator #82
2 straight top 10 finishes is a trend line downward? I know the 1st was #5 and now they are #10, expect more of the same.
Defense is actually not the only problem at WVU, the other is depth. Both have been addressed with this recruiting class. A #15 recruiting class at an SEC school is nothing, at WVU it is huge because you have better coaching at WVU.
Urban Meyer studied hard when he went to Morgantown, not only the offense but I also saw one of our rugby kicks, your punter botched it though, Pat McAfee usually rolls that one for about 50 with no return. I too bought into the hype that Florida did not belong in that game, but I should have known better, Urban studied football under coach Rod this summer.
Now you know how it happened.
Tomcat said:
posted on January 10, 2007 11:20 AM — 70.245.204.255 — link — abuse?
Pre Season Predictions are kinda like a holes and elbows everybodies got some.Last year 06 I purchased four different publications.All four had different predictions and all four were wrong.
Examples
Lindys
#1 Notre Dame
#2Ohio State
#3 West Virginia
#4 Texas
#5 Florida
#6 USC
#7 Oklahoma
#8 Auburn
#9 California
#10 LSU
Sports Illustrated
#1 Ohio State
#2 Notre Dame
#3 Texas
#4 LSU
#5 USC
#6West Virginia
#7 Auburn
#8 Cal
#9 Florida
#10 Michigan
Athlon
#1 Oklahoma
#2Notre Dame
#3 USC
#4 Ohio State
#5 Florida
#6 West Vir
#7 Texas
#8 Cal
#9 Auburn
#10 Louisville
All these predictions have one thing in common they all have the mighty Irish in the top three
I would really like to see ND come down to Kyle feild in Aggieland or play a game in Lincoln Nebraska.If they were in a conference like the big XII they would have to play quality opponents every week and after 5-7 or 4-8, we would not have to see them in any more bowl games that they do not deserve to play in.
You will also notice that Oklahoma is also ranked real high on these list.Another team that gets high rankings every year wether they go 8-4 or 10-3. Hookem-Horns OU-SuxATLien said:
posted on January 10, 2007 12:37 PM — 168.9.40.241 — link — abuse?
Watch out for UGA. Heck we beat CJ and Ga Tech (Man imagine UGA, if he went 40 minutes down the road to UGA instead of Tech). We killed the other Tech VA Tech. Oh and by the way beat the snot out of Auburn the only team to beat Florida. Matthew Staford is getting better every minute. Georgia is bringing some quality recievers in and Sean Bailey is coming back from injury. We already have a super fast defense (which hint to point out is pretty tough to handle when you can't keep up with them OSU and ND). If the recievers can catch the ball, Tebow is overated as an pocket passer, and we get some freakin pressure on Erik Ainge in the freakin second half of the game. Can you say UGA playing 40 minutes away in the ATL. Winning the SEC CHampionship, going to the National Championship and hopefully playing another big slow Big Ten team or Notre Dame.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 10, 2007 1:09 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
Pre-season polls are part of the overall problem. Every aspect of ranking a team in a pre-season is based solely of opinion and not team performance. These polls are just what they say they are, "Pre-season"! Unfortuantely, these polls directly effect the ranking system once the season begins.
For example, a teams performance during the season will ultimately decide where they are to be ranked in relation to there "pre-season" ranking. It is thus easier for teams ranked higher in the pre-season to achieve the #1 ranking if they have continued success on the field than it is for teams ranked outside of the top 20 in pre-season polls. Why do we use a "pre-season poll" for the starting point of the college ranking system? Shouldn't the first polls come out after week 3 or 4?
I believe this gives an unearned advantage to the teams ranked among the top in the pre-season poll over teams that are not highly ranked. Notre Dame being a pre-season top 5 means that the Irish can afford to stumble along the way and still have a decent ranking in the polls at the end of the season. However, if that same ND team is ranked 20th in the pre-season poll, then chances are they didn't do enough to move up as high as they finished. .........Any thoughts?Darren aDAMS said:
posted on January 10, 2007 1:54 PM — 169.200.173.54 — link — abuse?
Tim Tebow is not the QB to lead the gators.Just like a number of other QB's he is highly overrated.This kid is a tail back not a QB.He will need to work all summer on his passing game.Tebow replacing Mr.Leak maybe Deshawn Winn BUT NEVER Chris Leak.Good thing for the gators that they have 2 of the top young QB's coming in this year.Put Tebow in the backfield that where he belongs.It will take more than tailback playing QB to win the next championship.And it will probably take another 8 to 10 years winner another one.
AllEers said:
posted on January 10, 2007 3:28 PM — 162.129.27.201 — link — abuse?
#20 (Zac)
The "wine" you are looking for to complement that Crow is White Lightning I believe.
It works well for two reasons a) You certainly don't taste the crow and b) You won't remember why you're eating crow in the first place.
Friendly tip from a WVU grad that can, in fact, hygenically and tastefully prepare roadkill.Ash said:
posted on January 10, 2007 3:41 PM — 69.21.116.14 — link — abuse?
Kevin,
I think you are right on in your prediction, with one exception USC #1 and Florida #2, I believe the fact that USC's QB has a whole year under his belt starting and T-Bow will be just taking over the position, above all else, will be the reason they are #2 and not #1 next year.
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on January 10, 2007 3:47 PM — 68.157.6.3 — link — abuse?
Jim (#88) wrote...
"2 straight top 10 finishes is a trend line downward? I know the 1st was #5 and now they are #10, expect more of the same."
Yes, my mathematically impaired friend. I don't even need my well-earned engineering degree from GT to inform you that the next step in the trend is 15, ergo - downward.
"...because you have better coaching at WVU."
OK, I'll agree that Rich-Rod is a good coach, but he ain't better than the whole of the SEC, as you suggest. Care to count national titles and compare results? Here's the answer: you lose!
"Urban studied football under coach Rod this summer. Now you know how it happened."
Is everyone in Morgantown on LSD? At a minimum, you should recognize that Urban went undefeated at Utah and that was a bit before this summer, so he may have some coaching smarts originating prior to visiting WVU. Or are you suggesting that he timewarped from 2004 to this summer so he could return to Utah circa 2004 and win out? Dropping acid must be second nature up there in the mountains.
All you 'eers, just keep on dreaming.
CW said:
posted on January 10, 2007 3:50 PM — 66.226.47.243 — link — abuse?
Tommie T?
Is that really you? You've come out of the closet? Aren't you the one who stated on the other blog that my prediction of Fl beating the acorns of Ohio St 37 to 17 was??? what was your quote... here it is "Have you considered rehab?"I had to apologize to several Gator grads for not giving them a larger spread! Anyway, it's good to hear your delusional self again! You've got balls since all your other Pac buddies had hid since the Gator lashing of the so called #1 BCS BSSSSSSSSS. It's always good to hear people pushing the USC-W myth... it keeps us laughing here in the South. Several LSU alumi complained that USC-W ... not ND should've played LSU. Seems the BS (BCS) computers refuse to let your boys receive the punishment that the acorns took! I guess their waiting for your boys to work on UCLA first? Oh yes… congrats on your mallards… they played a good bowl.
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 10, 2007 4:08 PM — 74.226.219.7 — link — abuse?
FSU_DA post 92:
i talked to my cousion in the talahasse area, and he said rumor around town is that amato WILL NOT be hired this off season adn that maybe mickey andrews will do linebackers this year insted, but he also said that the possiblity of amato is very very high and that bobby has talked to him numerous times already this offseason, but that amato is considering a job with UGA and rejoin with former FSU asst mark richt, but he still said that the possiblity is very high right now, and if yall land amato again, andrews will retire next year and he will be the new DC, but if you land him WOA!! i think with him and bobby and andrews and fisher, FSU is back ontop of the ACC (with a little bit of competition from clemson of course;)
posted on January 10, 2007 4:47 PM — 74.93.5.150 — link — abuse?
# 69 clemson1981, Either you have a serious case of denial or you are trying to play last year's team again. Alabama is returning many starters. Prothro will be back. They have one of the best quarterbacks in the nation, now a junior. In a few words, "Alabama is loaded".
Most of the games that Alabama played last year were very close. They are much more ready this year, just a fact that you will have to accept.
Just be very thankful that Clemson doesn't play them!
Franko G said:
posted on January 10, 2007 4:59 PM — 70.171.12.221 — link — abuse?
Here's my problems with this list:
Florida has a lot of talent and athleticism- without question...but they lose a lot of strength in the front seven of their defense. As great an athlete as Tebow is- it will still be his first year starting in the SEC against some very good defenses. Its not crazy to fathom that Tebow will probably struggle some in a few of his games, and in others he will explode and show off his talent to the world.
Florida deserves to be in the top 5, but I wouldn't put them at #1 with all the guys they lose from the front seven. Remember- their defense was their strength all year in 2006, wheareas the offense struggled mightily almost the entire season. Their defense will not be AS dominant leading to probably at least two losses with their tough SEC schedule.
Here are my two teams to look out for:
Texas and Georgia.
Texas- Look for Colt McCoy to improve on his freshman performance from 2006. He still has a boatload of receivers to throw to and Texas keeps bringing in top talent through recruiting. I look for Texas to finish strong unlike this year and earn a spot in the BCS Title game.
Georgia- Look for Matthew Stafford to really come into his own running the Bulldog offense in 2007. Many people will laugh, pointing to his 7 to 13 TD to INT ratio...BUT- against Nationally ranked Auburn, Georgia Tech, and Virginia Tech Stafford played very solid football against three SCARY GOOD defenses to finish out the season with three BIG wins. Coach Mark Richt named Mike Bobo the playcaller- and he called a great second half of football against the Hokies when UGA charged back from an 18 point deficit. This freed up Mark Richt to pull out some tricks like the onside kick(Richt has called plays in Georgia since he arrived until the Georgia Tech game).
Georgia returns all of their recievers who were a weakness on this year's team early, but will become a strength soon enough. Georgia returns Kregg Lumpkin at Tailback and gets Thomas Brown back from a season ending injury in 2006. Georgia has also brought in a ton of talent through recruiting in the last few years. The Bulldog's biggest obstacle heading into 2007 is the offensive line- which will make or break their season. They are relying on some JUCO offensive lineman to fill the holes, and if they are effective Georgia will make some major noise in the SEC.
Im gonna say it now- Georgia will play LSU in the Georgia Dome for the SEC Title in 07, and Georgia will return to the Top 10, where they have made their living under Mark Richt.
TampaGator said:
posted on January 10, 2007 5:05 PM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
My top 10:
1. UF
2. USC(cali)
3. LSU
4. OU
5. S-Carolina
6. Michigan
7. Texas
8. Auburn
9. FSU
10. TENNI don't like poll position to begin season, but we did just win the big enchilada, and we're loaded coming back....all of which translates to one big traget on our backside...Bring it on!!
(Sorry Buckeyes--you're graduating too much talent, and you didn't exactly impress the other night; ditto for Notre Dame/the other week).
cardman steve said:
posted on January 10, 2007 5:11 PM — 74.131.211.89 — link — abuse?
1.fla 2.usc 3.lsu 4.w va 5.mich 6.rutgers ,arkansas tie7.auburn 8.okl 9.texas 10.ohio st. 11.louisville 12. s fla 13.cal 14.fla st 15.byu 16.tenn 17.ga 18.wis 19.tcu 20.texas a and m 20.cornhuskers 21.ga tech 22.s miss 23.wake forest 24.bama 25.iowa others------ kentucky,clemsom,minn, a wac team, a mac team, bc maryland and miami of fla. texas tech as well. all consider votes.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 10, 2007 5:14 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
Tebow will be just fine as the QB for the Gators. I think Meyer was very creative in finding a way to get Tim into the offense with Leak. Don't be fooled by Tebows seemingly linebacker mentality when he's running the ball- The kid can throw the football. I believe he holds (or at least held until this year) many of the Florida High School passing records.
Meyer was able to get Tebow into the lineup and acclimated to the Gator system and SEC football without puting all the pressure on him that a freshman QB in the SEC would normally have. Next year Tebow will be the QB wihtout question and the Gators are likely to make another run at a NC. The kid is good.NYCMichiganFan said:
posted on January 10, 2007 5:16 PM — 128.59.183.189 — link — abuse?
#91 Fanofthegame,
I couldn't agree more. Not only do the preseason polls affect who goes to what bowls, but they also affect the post season rankings after the bowls. As a perfect example of the problem with a preseason poll, take the OSU Buckeyes. They started #1 based largely on the fact that they destroyed a vastly overrated ND team in the Fiesta bowl the year before and had Smith, Ginn and Co returning. Granted, after going undefeated it is likely that they would have gotten to #1. But after getting exposed by Florida, I have no idea why they are #2 (not that anyone cares who is #2). Look back at their "big" wins - Texas (a three loss team when their QB was as green as they come)and Michigan (a good two loss team, though clearly not a #2 given what happened in the Rose Bowl). Neither of those two wins, combined with the awful showing in Arizona, merits a #2 final ranking. Instead, the final ranking is largely a product of their preseason ranking and the fact that they were #1 all year. Personally, after watching Monday's debacle, I think there are probably 3 and maybe 4 teams better than OSU on a neutral field. But that's just a biased Michigan fan talking. The more important problem is how the preseason rankings affect the bowl selections. For that, let's take another hated rival as an example. If Notre Dame were ranked 18 coming into the season as they are now (which in my opinion is still too high) and then had lost by 26 at home to Michigan, after beating GT by only 4, they would have fallen out of the top 25. Their 9 weak wins in a row would likely have gotten them back in the top 15 or so. But then the loss to USC would have dropped them back around 20. They would not have gone to a BCS game, which despite the big payout, may have been a good thing for ND because then they might have played a team they had a chance of beating.
blackdeath452 said:
posted on January 10, 2007 6:32 PM — 70.128.24.117 — link — abuse?
the razorbacks need to remember how they got to where they did this year,by riding on darren mcfaddens coattails and can do the same if not better next year by doing much of the same and not trying to cater to mustain and his family
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on January 10, 2007 7:03 PM — 68.157.6.3 — link — abuse?
#91 FanOfTheGame, I completely agree. I have had this opinion (i.e. the inherent evil of preseason polls) since my beloved Yellow Jackets had to share the 1990 national title with Colorado. GT was undefeated with one tie and the Buffs had one loss, one tie, and the infamous "fifth down" win against Missouri to "earn" their share of the title. What made the difference for the Buffs? They opened the season ranked in the top 10 of every preseason poll and GT started the season unranked.
Preseason polls are fun as it's great to look back at the end of the season and see how your predictions did. They shouldn't be used for any purpose other than fun. Just ask Boise State.
Rick said:
posted on January 10, 2007 7:29 PM — 65.4.72.155 — link — abuse?
this is the crappiest top 25 ive ever seen.......why the hell is clemson number 19? the last time i checked, they lost to a weak opponent in a crappy bowl. wisconsin needs to beat someone before they can even be in the top 10. and wut the crap, ARIZONA???? when did they get a football team? this is messed up
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 10, 2007 8:08 PM — 74.226.219.7 — link — abuse?
Dave post 100:
throw it in my face as you please, i cant be convinced that bama deserves to be number 2, maybe in the lower half of the top 25 but not number 2, if you want to talk about returning talent then why dont we put clemson adn south carolina up there at 1 and 2? you say bama has returning stars and i guess they do but we didnt here much out of there this year on theses "great stars" of theirs, prothro is good but is plagued by injuries, so personaly i need to see bama perform till they join my top 5, for now they are number 4 in the west behind Arkansas, Auburn and LSU.cardman steve said:
posted on January 10, 2007 8:13 PM — 74.131.211.89 — link — abuse?
i did not rank the irish. i am sick beyound sick seeing this team get a free ride just because they are ND. i feel if they where in the big east this past season,they would have been 4th or 5th. a extremly over rated football team. houston from c-usa could beat them and even the kentucky wildkittens. NBC ,lou holtz, and other lousy pundits. stop giving these guys a free ride. i was too nice. 6th in the big east.
Mooka said:
posted on January 10, 2007 8:31 PM — 68.107.102.29 — link — abuse?
CW,
I think Gamecocks have alot of potential and I think they will be good in the years to come. Not expecting too much from them in the Pre-season polls though. They will have to claw their way up there, but I think they can do it. The Ole Miss fan also made a good case on their talent next year too. They weren't losing games by much last year. I was at the game when LSU beat them in OVERTIME. Yes, it took overtime, and that wasn't the only close loss they had to some really good teams. My point is just that the whole SEC will be good next year. How well South Carolina will do? I haven't a clue, but good luck.
MountaineerinSC said:
posted on January 10, 2007 9:07 PM — 63.135.42.251 — link — abuse?
From a Mountaineer fan now living in South Carolina. WVU should be somewhere in the top ten. A win here or a lose there will make the difference in how high. Not too many fans have picked USC (Gamecocks) to finish in the top 25. This team is on the edge of making big strides, most likey next year. They were just a few points from doing that this year. Put that with a top ten recruiting class this year and a top notched coach and it could be some 2007.
Jim said:
posted on January 10, 2007 11:07 PM — 155.229.229.162 — link — abuse?
Ramblin' Gator #96
I was just jerking your chain in most of that post but what I was trying to say was that I don't think that 2 straight top 10 finishes when you have most of the key people from those 2 teams back for the 3rd year can be counted as a trend downward. WV will finish in the top 10 again next year, the defense will be better as will the offense. And don't tell me the defense has no room to get worse, we know that.
I know Urban can coach, I was just joking. You SEC guys have a short fuse.
Are all people in Morgantown on LSD? Don't know I live in Charleston.
Hats off to the Gators, I don't know how you got through that schedule with just 1 loss but you did it. I would still rather see a playoff.
Rebel Chuck said:
posted on January 11, 2007 3:00 AM — 143.112.144.129 — link — abuse?
Ole Miss 2008 SEC champions. You know all those great players that USC has right now? Our head coach built those recruiting classes and he's doing the same thing in Oxford, Mississippi right now! This best thing is that no one is noticing our build up. it will make for a very easy rise to the top. The days of Ole Miss domination over LSU will soon return!
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on January 11, 2007 12:22 PM — 68.59.5.49 — link — abuse?
Clemson 1981........ would you just ignore Dave post 100.......... In four years they will have a new coach. the turmoil in Alabama will contiune. and Dave.... you very well may go 10-2 this year or next.... but you will never get to where Auburn, LSU or Arkansa are until you address your own administrative problems.
Tomcat said:
posted on January 11, 2007 12:45 PM — 70.245.204.255 — link — abuse?
#91 Fanofthegame I agree with you 100%
Not only do these pre-season ranking help certain teams they also hurt more deserving teams EX Utah 04 ans Auburn 04.
Some teams that play in conferences without championships also have an advantage over teams that do. Examples USC, OSU , Mich, Cal and then we always have ND
The XII championship game featured two teams that lost to Texas.
If PAC-10 and Big 10/11 had championship games it would help end some of the contraversy that teams in these conferences do not recognize.
That woulda probably resulted in a OSU vs Mich rematch and woulda ended alot of BS.
Why not, when you look at SEC or XII these type of games happen every year. AU vs Tenn 04
UT vs CU 05 etc. etc.Paul said:
posted on January 11, 2007 1:10 PM — 207.255.83.138 — link — abuse?
I would just like to thank everyone for not even mentioning Penn State. 2005 pre-season they were unranked. If it were not for the mysterious 2seconds that the Referines got PSU would have been playing USC. But PSU still finished 3rd. 2006 Penn State was ranked pre-season. Well they lost to all top20 teams and had an ok year. Well most of PSU starters are returning next year. Oh and remind me who won the Outback bowl, wait I remember it was PSU 20, Tenn. 10. But yet Tenn. is ranked. HHHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMM!!! So please keep forgetting about PSU. I bet you do remember them next year at this time.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 11, 2007 1:16 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
Tomcat;
I definately agree with you on this. I think it has been preoven several times, that teams that do not have a Conference Championship Game are in a better position to get a BCS. I'm taking nothing away from teams like USC or Ohio State, nor am I questioning their success- but they do not play in Conference Championship games, that often serve as "BCS Elimination" games. The one instance where Oklahoma got voted into the NC game after failing to win the big12 a few years ago, is still regarded by many as the biggest farce in the BCS to date.
This only solidifies the arguement that most people see Conference Championship games, as "BCS Elimination" games and in their eyes, have no real right to play for the NC.
I have mentioned in some of my previous posts, that teams that have conference championship games should not have to play more than one opponent from the same conference that hails from the other division. Example: Texas should not have to play Nebraska, Iowa State,
Jeremy said:
posted on January 9, 2007 8:51 AM — 65.82.138.66 — link — abuse?I think one team your missing out on is South Flordia, I think they will make a splash and climb their way to a top 25 ranking