January 9, 2007
Fanblogs Pre-Pre-Pre-Season Top 25
The 2006-2007 is barely over and... well, here we go again. Here's my attempt at the 2007 Pre-Pre Season College Football Top 25:
1) Florida
Whatever will Urban Meyer without Chris Leak? A lot, I suspect. If you're not sick of hearing about TE-BOW by now, you will be by the time the Gators run through the SEC. The Gators get four of their starting offensive lineman back to give Tebow time to run the Meyer spread attack. The Gators have to fill some holes on defense, but the schedule should give the Gators some help this year - Tennessee, Auburn, and FSU are all home games. In fact, UF only plays four away games (plus the Georgia game in Jax).
2) USC
The Trojans look to have ten starters back on defense and a Heisman-caliber QB in John David Booty. Despite the projected loss of all-everything WR Dwayne Jarrett, USC has plenty of depth ready to take the field on offense, too. Since Pete Carroll started working his magic in LaLa Land, the Trojans have been chock full of potential All-Americans just riding the pine. Carroll will roll them out and run through the Pac10 - again.
3) West Virginia
The Mountaineers have a soft OOC schedule (Ball State, Marshall, Mississippi State, Maryland and ECU) and lots of talent coming back. QB Pat White and RB Steve Slaton will be back to lead the offense. The road to the BCS still runs through Morgantown for the Big East and the 'Eers will be stocked up on couches.
4) Texas
Mack Brown has sowed, so now he intends to reap. QB Colt McCoy is back as a sophomore with Limas Sweed, Quan Cosby and company to throw to, so he should better his his 29 freshman TDs. Texas just hired Larry Mac Duff as Defensive Coordinator, which means the Longhorns LBs and secondary should improve. UT has class upon class of top recruits to draw on - which is why Texas is the class of the Big XII.
5) Virginia Tech
The Hokies have some questions to answer at QB after the Chick-fil-A Bowl "performance" of Sean Glennon. There's some depth there, so VaTech should be OK. You've still got Brandon Ore and 7 or 8 guys that can catch the ball. VPI had one of the stingiest defenses in the country and should be fine on that side of the ball. The ACC is up for grabs if VaTech wants it.
6) Wisconsin
Another top team with a QB to replace, but it's easy at Wisconsin: hand the ball to Heisman candidate P.J. Hill and get out of the way. The Badgers draw the short straw on scheduling. Wisconsin gets Michigan at home and Ohio State on the road - back to back. The good news? If the Badgers run the gauntlet, they should be looking at a BCS bowl.
7) Michigan
Forget the egg the Wolverines laid in the Rose Bowl, Michigan will be one of the best teams in the country. QB Chad Henne is back for his fiftieth season and he's got Mike Hart back. The defense has some holes to fill, especially in the middle of the line with DT Alan Branch leaving early. As long as Michigan forgets the Rose Bowl, they'll be just fine in 2007.
8) Nebraska
The Cornhuskers finished flat but showed some sparks of NU glory this year. The Huskers get Arizona State QB transfer Sam Keller eligible this year and that should mean more firepower for Nebraska. The road to the BCS is there for the taking in the Big XII and the Huskers have a clear path to the conference title game.
9) Ohio State
All the Buckeyes really need on offense is a QB to replace Troy Smith. The defense (which suffered this year against top competition) returns mostly intact with a full season under their belts. Mr. Sweatervest has gotten a lot of game experience for his returning players and the Buckeyes will be tough to beat in the Big10.
10) Arkansas
Heisman favorite Darren McFadden is back to lead the Hogs. Houston Nutt needs to diversify the offense to be successful, and to quiet QB Mitch Mustain's family. Arkansas has road games at LSU and Tennessee, but - more than the schedule - replacing SEC sack leader Jamaal Anderson and CB Chris Houston are huge priorities for the Hogs.
11) LSU
12) Oklahoma
13) Auburn
14) Rutgers
15) Tennessee
16) Florida State
17) TCU
18) Georgia
19) Clemson
20) Alabama
21) BYU
22) Oklahoma State
23) Wake Forest
24) Arizona
25) Maryland
Comments:
Big East Fan said:
posted on January 9, 2007 9:04 AM — 168.216.24.38 — link — abuse?
Congrats to Florida...But they will not be as lucky next season as this year...they could have easily lost 2 or 3 more games had things not gone their way (which is what you need to win National Title) With the SEC as strong as it is (the best in the country in my opinion) They will not finish #1 again.
My super early wishful thinking prediction is Virginia Tech vs. West Virginia for the BCS National Title. ACC vs. BE.
14UM said:
posted on January 9, 2007 9:10 AM — 209.168.248.130 — link — abuse?
What!? No Hurricanes!
Just kidding; after this past season, that's understandable. I wouldn't count us out, though. We do have a good number of starters returning.
Maybe you can put us in instead of one of the Wake Forests (#14, #24).
TenTex said:
posted on January 9, 2007 9:41 AM — 69.245.15.21 — link — abuse?
Kevin,
Enjoyed the blogging last night during the NC game.
Good thoughts on your poll. Was curious on your reasoning on LSU not in the top ten. VT opens up at LSU. I don't think they can take LSU in Baton Rouge that early in the season. Did you know that?
Evan said:
posted on January 9, 2007 9:50 AM — 66.57.23.85 — link — abuse?
aww man, where's the love for NC State? haha
Wake won't repeat their magic next year, too much happened by the grace of the fooball gods to have that happen again.
I def. don't think wake deserves to be #14 let alone on the list TWICE ;)
Quin said:
posted on January 9, 2007 10:01 AM — 129.252.70.40 — link — abuse?
I think you forgot to add South Carolina on ur top 10. Remember how they lost to Auburn, Arkansas, and Tennessee by 1 touchdown? And how the national champ Florida Gators barely got away alive thanks to a ring finger at the swamp? All of their starters in 06 are coming back in 07 with exception of 2. Look out for the Gamecocks!
posted on January 9, 2007 10:14 AM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue said:
Apparently I can't count to 25, but I got out my abacus & re-counted, so we're set now.
JZNole said:
posted on January 9, 2007 10:21 AM — 12.177.80.3 — link — abuse?
my problems - LSU is gonna be top 5. LSU is overloaded at QB, they'll be fine without Russell. Is Flynn still there? If not, Perilloux (sp?) will be a good one!
I don't see Ohio State being up there again. Their defense was awful in their last 2 games and without Ginn & Troy Smith, thats alot to overcome.
I don't really know anything about the QB situation, but with Ian Johnson coming back, and that coach, Boise State deserves to be in there, probably top 15.
WACOFF said:
posted on January 9, 2007 10:22 AM — 74.61.167.59 — link — abuse?
You Big (Whatervers) are so full of yourselves. Boise State Goes undefeated and you don't give them a spot in 25.
Colt Brennan: you Big Whatevers just can't stand the fact that Brennan is playing in the WAC. What about his performance in their bowl game. Oh! No pressure or competition. He only threw for 550 yards and 5 TD's. But he can't scramble, and he can't throw on the run. And he is in the WAC. Against Oregon State he was sacked four times and still threw for 400 yards and ran for a touchdown I believe if memory is correct.
BCS is BULLSHIT, Boise State should play Florida.
posted on January 9, 2007 10:26 AM — link — abuse?
Louisville is a huge question mark - so much so that I intentionally did not rank them. You've got a new coach, new offense, and two studs that are 75% to turn pro (Brohm & Bush). With all that, I think Louisville is an easy 3+ loss team next year. Even with those guys, Rutgers, USF, and WVU are stronger teams.
LSU is a wild-card. Who's the OC? Will Ryan Perriloux be eligible? (Have you heard those rumors??) How do they fill a couple holes on defense? There's no question that LSU *can* take the SEC West, but there is some question as to whether they *will*.
Boise State loses a lot of players from this year's team. I see them looking more like the team that Georgia thumped two years ago than the team that shocked OU.
Clemson has a ton of talent and a mandate to win. The pressure is on (again) for Tommy Bowden. The team completely quit down the slump, but prior to that, they had their fingers wrapped around the ACC crown and a BCS game.
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on January 9, 2007 10:31 AM — 67.97.209.35 — link — abuse?
Good list, Kevin, but I think you have to put LSU in the top five based on returning strength, bowl performance, and recruiting. West Virginia needs to grow a better defense before getting serious top-5 consideration. You could swap those two teams and call it my prediction.
TenTex said:
posted on January 9, 2007 10:33 AM — 69.245.15.21 — link — abuse?
Kevin, don't know about any rumors on Ryan Perriloux. Matt Flynn will be a senior next year and he was MVP of the Peach Bowl last year when LSU dominated Miami. Perrioux and Matt should make their QB position pretty solid.
Scott 51 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 10:53 AM — 216.135.81.2 — link — abuse?
Kevin,
No rational excuse for not including Louisville. Bush played all of one half of football for them this season. Hunter Cantwell, a sophomore and Brohm's back-up, actually played better than Brohm until Brohm came on fire for the last 4 games of the season. Harry Douglas, Urrutia, and a number of starters on both sides of the ball will be returning. The biggest loss will be Amobi Okoye, but if we can survive the loss lof Elvis Dumervil, we'll handle Amobi's loss just as efficiently.
Truthfully, I hope most of the pollsters feel the same way you do. Louisville's always been more dangerous as an underdog. Like most, you're assuming that Petrino's departure will devastate the program when, in fact, it will only serve to reenergize it.
GO CARDS!Zac said:
posted on January 9, 2007 11:03 AM — 65.31.228.13 — link — abuse?
I'm with Coach Rod on this one. Pre-season national rankings are found in Webster’s under "Boar with tits"; there's no point to them, except to illicit responses from a bunch of college football loving reprobates who think their team and conference are numero uno, no matter what anybody else thinks. It's the final ranking which tells the story. Though, I'm uncertain of this final ranking being capable of giving this story the justice it deserves. It began with the coin toss. FL, this years "guests" was given the task of choosing Heads or Tails. #1 in Blue immediately bent down and asked the kid, what he wanted; the kid selected tails, and it was on from there. In fact, Ginn's game opening TD kick-off return should have been called back; the same #1 who had the kid select the coin toss for them, was clearly held on the play. It didn't matter, however. As many a coach has been known to say; "It's just one play; shake it off." FL did just that, by taking full advantage of an OSU team that was quite suddenly without any identity, let alone continuity, save for one drive. If there's a team in this land that has a right to proud of itself after evening last, it's the FL Gators. Never in a million years had I seen that coming. My hat's off, Kudos, way to go; there're aren't enough accolades I can offer to all the gatormates out there (Yo, Gatorhippy! How about one more review; was that really OSU that FL played?) Except perhaps this: I once discussed the type of wine to have with pasta. I'm looking for a good wine to have with Crow. Likely, I'll be eating lots, and gladly.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 9, 2007 11:12 AM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
Our secondary gained instant improvement for next year with players like Quinton Andrews getting playing time, not to mention the current recruits we've landed this recruiting season. Look for WVU to improve vastly in the Secondary next season. Now the O-Line could be very Questionable??????
Big East Fan said:
posted on January 9, 2007 11:19 AM — 168.216.24.38 — link — abuse?
Ramblin' Gator: I agree WVU is in need of a better defense...but why are they 11th next season in your mind...They have finished 5th in 2005 and 10th in 2006 seasons with bowl victories in both seasons...the best of SEC in 2005 and 2nd best of the ACC in 2006. Next season Slaton and White will be Juniors (2 serious heisman candidates) The defense will improve next season because of experience and recruiting...Coach Rod has got a top 15 recruiting class for next season (his best and possibly WVU's best class ever).
I respect others opinions, but some opinions are utterly ignorant...WVU is a top 5 team, and should be favored to Win the Big East and get a BCS title shot.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 9, 2007 11:23 AM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
1. Florida ( too much talent in Gainesville for them no to be considered a pre-season favorite.
2. USC (Same as Florida. Just too much talent to be overlooked)
3. West Virginia ( 2 Offensive stars are returning and should only get better)
4. LSU ( there overall success can be attributed to their athletes more than there offensive coordinator)
5. Michigan ( Henne and Hart return to an improving team)
6. Arkansas ( The potential to challenge for the SEC title again next season )
7. Louisville (Proved this past season that they are not a one-man team. Kragthorpe as the new coach is the real question mark.)
8. Wisconsin (They shouldn't be as much of a suprise next season, but they should be just as good)
9. Alabama ( They were in every game last year. I expect Saban to have an immediate impact)
10. Va. Tech ( Beamer will have the Hokies back on contention for the ACC title)
11. Texas A&M ( They were less than 2 minutes and 6 points from going undefeated, before their bowl game against Cal. A very young team that has gained alot of experience)
12. Ohio State ( If they can find a QB. Their defense should only get better)
13. Texas ( A lot of talent in Austin, probably a favorite to win the Big12, but there is no Vince Young to overcome the lack of coaching)
14. Nebraska ( Its time for the Cornhuskers to step it up and they should next season)
15. Rutgers (The slipper has fallen off of Cinderella, but they are still a good football team that is very capable of another great season)
16. Florida State ( The only direction to go is up)
17. Georgia ( The SEC might be even tougher next season. The Bulldogs could suprise them all.)
18. Oklahoma (A lot of talent but there are still a lot of question marks)
19. Clemson (They'll have to play alot more consistent next season)
20. Arizona (The Pac 10 needs Arizona to step up and the Wildcats should be ready)
21. BYU ( There conference may not provide the SOS the Cougars need to be taken seriously, so they'll have to dominate to get any real recognition)
22. TCU (Too bad the Big12 didn't take the hornfrogs instead of Baylor)
23. Tennessee ( They play in arguably the best conference, but the Volunteers will be ready)
24. Iowa (They were a big disappointment last season, but maybe it was an eye-opener)
25. Auburn ( They always seem to be in the SEC mix)Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on January 9, 2007 11:53 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
Jim (post 5), before complaining that Louisville isn't in the poll and stating that if Brohm and Bush return they are national title contenders you should check to see who has already declared for the NFL draft... Bush! If he has already declared for the NFL draft, what makes you think that he is going to undeclare and return to a team that just lost its head coach. I know Louisville fans don't know a lot about college football, but thinking that is just crazy.
posted on January 9, 2007 12:03 PM — link — abuse?
@Scott51 - No rationale excuse for excluding Louisville? And here I thought comment #14 was rationale enough. Dang. ;)
Jim said:
posted on January 9, 2007 12:06 PM — 68.87.100.242 — link — abuse?
I still think if Brohm and Bush return I could coach Louisville and have a real shot.
Here is how I would do it, hey Brian do what you did last year and give it to that Bush guy every now and then, I am going to stand over here with a headset on and look like I know what is going on and try not to trip anyone or hurt myself. When is lunch.
TrojanHorse said:
posted on January 9, 2007 12:21 PM — 132.228.195.207 — link — abuse?
man you guys are getting worked up over something that is 8 months away; things will change; at least wait till the spring games to figure out who signed; who left early; who got injured; who got arrested; who got booted from school; who didn't cut the grades; what coaches left
all kinds of stuff to wait for
Jim said:
posted on January 9, 2007 12:28 PM — 68.87.100.242 — link — abuse?
@Tampa Hurricane #29
Sorry, I didn't know he had already declared, it does make a difference.
I still think they are solid, even without those 2, don't forget Hunter Cantwell all but beat a very good VaTech team in last years gator bowl and went on the road this year to Kansas St and Louisville handed out a whippin without Bush or Brohm.
Scott 51 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 1:43 PM — 216.135.81.2 — link — abuse?
Kevin,
Actually, my response WAS to your post #14. It was simply, in my opinion, not rational.
You refer to Bush and Brohm's departure, a new coach and a new offense as "question marks." What team doesn't have question marks at the onset of a new season? And even with a new coach in place, why would Louisville resort to a "new offense" after so much incredible success with their current system? I told you why I thought the loss of Brohm and Bush would be overcome. I also mentioned a number of returning quality players (8 starters coming back on offense, up to 7 on defense). Considering that Louisville has finished in the top 25 since 2004 - that includes 2 top ten finishes - and a proven system as well as proven athletes in place, it would indeed only be "rational" to consider them a top 25 pick for next year.
GO CARDS!
VTstudent said:
posted on January 9, 2007 1:50 PM — 65.222.145.18 — link — abuse?
Wow... I think VT is getting a little over ranked going into next year already. A good even a great defense doesn't win the big games without some sort of quarterback... and we're set up for one of the toughest schedules in the country next year. I hope we don't disappoint and the QB situation is put in capable hands.
PreProSports.com said:
posted on January 9, 2007 2:07 PM — 68.21.103.162 — link — abuse?
Bravo, Kevin. I think this was a good example of what gets people worked up on Fanblogs: Naked cheerleaders, BCS Playoff Discussion, and Pre-Pre-Pre Season Polls.
I'll be back for the Pre-Pre Season Poll in March and the Pre Season Poll in June, too.
And I'm taking Texas for the #1 slot right now.
VTstudent said:
posted on January 9, 2007 2:11 PM — 65.222.145.18 — link — abuse?
Louisville fans,
The reason has nothing to do with your offense that you are not in the pre-top-25 (other than offensive line) its your defense that will take a huge blow when they already underperformed last year... unless you have some superstars I don't know about coming off injury or a new scheme being developed, teams are going to run all over your D. Petrino's leaving just cuts injures an already hurting team.
JohnnyThompsonNo1 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 2:56 PM — 208.54.95.129 — link — abuse?
Texas needs to replace three, 3-year starters on the OL. I don't care who you are or how you recruit-you don't simply replace experience like Studdard, Blalock and Sendelein. Texas will struggle up front next season, I can guarantee you that.
Scott 51 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 3:25 PM — 74.128.192.160 — link — abuse?
VT Student,Can't really argue about our "underperforming" defense last year. They weren't stellar. But as for Petrino's departure injuring an "already hurting team", we did somehow manage to win 12 games this season.
Guess that's what you'd call "playing through the pain."
GO CARDS!
brian said:
posted on January 9, 2007 4:22 PM — 66.214.238.66 — link — abuse?
how about ucla? they will be returning more starters (20) than any other team in the country. the defense should be even better and with Ben Olsen and 9 other offensive starters coming back and Karl Dorrel stepping in as the offensive co-ordinator. a former high school all american kicker steps in for the departed Justin Medlock. this team is going to be very dangerous. they shuold start out the season somewhere between 15 and 20. the schedule is fairly favorable as well. the non-conference games are tough, but they do get BYU and Notre Dame at home and travel to utah to face what should be Utah team that will not be as good as this year's bunch. the toughest road pac-10 game will be at Arizona with Oregon, Cal and Arizona State coming to the Rose Bowl. don't be surprised if they are 11-0 going into the USC game. expect the Bruins to be BCS bound in 2007 with a trip to the Rose or Fiesta Bowl or possibly to the Sugar Bowl to play for it all. worst case scenario would be the Holiday Bowl. this team is going to be very good.
Scott 51 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 4:26 PM — 74.128.192.160 — link — abuse?
Michael Bush is leaving Louisville and that sucks. He was a great competitor, great player and by all accounts, a great person. If he heals properly, he'll be a great pro. Still, there are plenty of studs in the barn.
Remember the name Anthony Allen - they call him Baby Bush, but he plays like a very angry, very fast grown man. You'll likely hear plenty about him in '07.
GO CARDS!FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 9, 2007 4:33 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
It appears that CJ Spiller, freshman runningback for Clemson and 3 time ACC player of the week will be suiting up for the Gators in 2008.
...........As if Meyer needed any more offensive weapons.This isn't going to sit very well with the CLemson faithful.
BlueCobra said:
posted on January 9, 2007 4:36 PM — 69.226.215.73 — link — abuse?
Last week the Michigan AD said Michigan is looking for an opponent for a September game next season. This is chance for Auburn AD Jacobs, who complained that Auburn was having difficulty scheduling a big-name opponent for 2007, to step up and schedule a game that would help their BCS rating.
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on January 9, 2007 4:53 PM — 67.97.209.35 — link — abuse?
Big East Fan (regarding #24), Georgia Tech put 5 TDs on your beloved defense with a backup QB and yet you are calling me ignorant for saying WVU doesn't deserve to be a top 5 team? Sorry dude, but I think you are the ignorant one in this debate. As you suggest, I imagine WVU will likely win the Big East next year as coaching changes and graduation will take their toll on the competition and they might get to a BCS game in the end, but you seem to be ignoring some basic facts about this defense and their potential (which is limited, even with incoming recruits).
Gatorboy 40 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 5:04 PM — 210.233.200.24 — link — abuse?
Big East Fan (post #2) You can call it luck, but in the SEC that is how it is, and how we live. It is a dog fight week after week. Take a 1, 2, 3 point win, and be happy with it, many teams could not win by 1. The SEC is true dog fighting baby.
PopsMich said:
posted on January 9, 2007 5:12 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Ah Kevin, like a good Accountant this time of year, we get to close the books on 2006.
I've posted my "Sober Assessment: Final" of 2006 on the "Final Rankings" Blog (congrats UF, UM/OSU overrated, etc.).
So from here on out its only about 2007.....and unbounded optimism, of course.
Glad to see so little expected of UM in 2007. It'll be that much sweeter!
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 5:16 PM — 74.226.219.7 — link — abuse?
FanoftheGame post 49:
were do you live? just wondering i live about 10 miles from clemson university, and i talked to alot of my friends today and hell spiller even came out and said it, hes not going to transfer, so to everybody that heres it dont belive it, if it was true clemson would have made a statement by now when this rumor came out 2 weeks ago, so all of you are a little late on that issue if he was going to transfer he would have done it already, so to clarify from somebody with ties to the university and lives extreamly close to it, CJ SPILLER IS GOING NOWHERE!!!clemson1981 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 5:34 PM — 74.226.219.7 — link — abuse?
to tell it again to anybody who belives fanofthegames post on spiller leaving:
he came out said hes going nowhere and hes staying at clemson, this rumor came out 2 weeks ago folks, if he would have transfered it would have been before school started back!!!kevin kevin kevin:
i must say i like to see clemson on that top 25, makes my heart leap!!! BUT as loyal as a tiger as i am, and i have been since i was born 15 years ago, we dont need to be that high on anybodys list and for the firs time (i cant belive im going to say it) USC (carolina) should be ranked ahead of us, us and carolina swaped this year, we started stong and finished bad, and they started slow and finished strong, and finishing stong matters more, but with our recruits and the returing players we will climb up there, as far as carolina goes yes very good and very young, but hopefuly they will not turn out like clemson this year, close to that SEC title but fall, and QUIN man come on you sound pathetic, oh carolina only lost by 1 TD to this team and that team, get over it man a loss is a loss and they dont count towards top 25 rankings, but i think my beloved tigers should be lower, but hey ill take it.
MY TOP 10:
1. Florida
2. West VA
3. So Cal
4. Va Tech
5. Michigan
6. Ohio State
7. Texas
8. Rutgers
9. Wisconson
10. OklahomaSoonerTaft said:
posted on January 9, 2007 5:37 PM — 69.154.31.66 — link — abuse?
I know we havent proved a lot in the last three BCS bowl games and I'm not proud about that, but OU has a lot of talent for next year. Next year OU wins National Championship. Oh and Kevin, in the Red River Shootout next year OU is going to cream Texass (noticed you ranked them preprepre season 4).
M GO BLUE said:
posted on January 9, 2007 5:38 PM — 216.46.211.242 — link — abuse?
Tom Well's SR, State Penn has to play Michigan at the Big House........Ok it's over already,and when was the last time Penn state beat Michigan? Michigan has won the last 7....or is it 8?.....You have a problem when I can't remember if we have beat penn state 7 or 8 times in a row.
True_FSU said:
posted on January 9, 2007 5:39 PM — 168.82.56.100 — link — abuse?
VT HAS A HARD SCHEDULE NEXT YEAR?
East Carolina, William and Mary, Ohio U?
They already play the joke side of the conf. with DUKE and UNC every year! That is 5 free games!GT, BC and UVA are moderate challenges.
IF Miami and FSU play like they did this year those are free games.
LSU is the only hard non-con game for them. Clemson is never a free game for anyone but they show up to half the games each year so it is 50/50 on whether they even intend to play... Even then it isn't a tough game.
That schedule is laughable. So is playing east carolina for most of the next decade btw.
FSU schedule next year:
Non-con: UAB, Alabama, Florida, Colorado (note 3 BCS schools, two sec schools all BCS games are AWAY).
From the Coastal: Miami (home), VT (Away), and luckily duke (home).
Let us remember our side is Wake Forest (Away), Clemson (Away) and Boston College (Away). We also have Maryland and NC state at home.That is a much more impressive schedule!
M GO BLUE said:
posted on January 9, 2007 5:41 PM — 216.46.211.242 — link — abuse?
OK BUCKEYE'S! NEXT SEASON YOU WILL LOSE THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONSHIP GAME TO MICHIGAN AND WE WILL REPRESENT OUR CONFERENCE IN A BCS BOWL,AND LOYD CARR WILL RETIRE AT THE END OF NEXT SEASON AFTER BEATING OHIO STATE AND A BOWL WIN!
JohnnyThompsonNo1 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 6:22 PM — 66.241.164.55 — link — abuse?
OU will have a starting QB that has never taken a collegiate snap. That is a rock solid guarantee for at least two losses, possibly more. I could see Oklahoma losing 4-5 games next year, easily. Too bad Sam Keller is up at Nebraska huh?
COUG02 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 6:36 PM — 71.213.19.154 — link — abuse?
BEn olsen has already shown his true colors. He is a weiner who thought skipping out on BYU was a good idea. In all reality he has only hurt himself. Cowan has to be the starter going into spring ball. They have BYU at home BUt i disagree with your idea on utah. They return a lot of power and they are always hard to beat at home.
Prediction:
Ucla 8-5 With a early season loss to the BYU cougarsCW said:
posted on January 9, 2007 7:48 PM — 66.226.47.243 — link — abuse?
Poll,
Well Kevin it looks ok except you need to omit the following from the top 10:
USC-W, WVA, Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio State, VT - to reflect the final poll.
1. Florida
2. Alabama
3. LSU
4. Texas
5. Auburn
6. Georgia
7. Wake Forest
8. Florida State
9. Virgina Tech
10. Rutgers
11. Miami
12. Ohio State
13. Kentucky
14. Wisconsin
15. Clemson
16. Maryland
17. Michigan
18. Georgia Tech
19. West Virginia
20. Texas Tech
21. USC - South Carolina
22. Southern Miss
23. USCW - Trojans
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 9, 2007 8:21 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Mooka:
Thanx for rating USC as "the best of the rest". I appreciate that. You do understand that it is a mathematical impossibility that the Top Seven teams can all come from the same conference - don't you. You're six and seventh teams are gonna have four losses minimum. I know your clownin' though. But, at least you recognize that the Trojans would finish no less that 8th in the SEC. We're all grateful for that prop.
Now here's mine:
1. USC
2. Florida
3. LSU
4. Michigan
5. Texas
6. Georgia
7. West Virginia
8. California
9. Rutgers
10. TennesseeTommie T
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 9:03 PM — 74.226.219.7 — link — abuse?
i have a question to all you people who keep on ranking BAMA in your top 10 and top 5. how do you figure bama should be that high? they lost there bowl game and finished what 6-7? yeah you got saban but how should that count towards rankings? just wondering ya know maybe your fans and i have no problem with that, but if your not how do you figure they should be there?
Big East Fan said:
posted on January 9, 2007 9:38 PM — 129.71.136.51 — link — abuse?
Rambling Gator: (Post #51). As I said in post #24, I admit WVU's defense was weak this past season (They had to replace 4 of 5, 3 year starters in a 3-3-5 defense) Those 4 are returning next season plus Coach Rod has recieved verbal commitments from some 2 of the Junior colleges best lock down corners. Also, over 10 safeties in this recruiting class...the defense will improve.
I said that you were ignorant because you have them ranked #11 for next season...they were #5 in 2005 and #10 2006. 2005 was a offensive rebuilding year. 2006 was defensive rebuilding year...2007 is the year of the Mountaineer buddy. they are loaded on both sides of the ball. Having them ranked worse than the previous 2 seasons is well ignorant...and I stand by that statement.
To conclude, Steve Slaton had 3 carries in the Gator Bowl...he was injured and WVU still rushed for over 300 yards on a team that had been giving up less than 100 per game. Hope that clarifies the issue. Your statement/opinion was ignorant.
steve-O said:
posted on January 9, 2007 10:31 PM — 68.70.51.207 — link — abuse?
There's BigEast Potential...even after the VILLE's setbacks, they are still left with a capable QB, excellent recieving corp and a strong rushing attack.
1. Florida
2. Texas
3. West Virginia
4. Michigan
5. USC
6. Louisville
7. Wake Forest
8. LSU
9. Rutgers
10.TennesseeSouth Florida somewhere around 18
posted on January 9, 2007 10:37 PM — 74.93.5.150 — link — abuse?
clemson1981, simple math. You're looking at last year's team record. Alabama is returning a lot of starters. They have one of the best quarterbacks in the nation and Protho will be returning. He will have a hugh impact on the offense.
Do the math for yourself.
GA Boy said:
posted on January 9, 2007 10:43 PM — 66.110.197.20 — link — abuse?
Can't wait until next year. GA finished as hot as any team this year, beating 3 ranked opponents in a row to squeak back into the AP Poll. Richt has learned the error of his ways and has handed the play calling off to young Bobo. It is going to be a glorious year next year for my Georgia Bulldogs. If you have read my post, you know I call it like I see it with the DAWGS. I don't let my emotions get the best of me. I knew we would have a tough time this year having a 5th consecutive top 10 finish, but mark it down now. DAWGS will win the National Title next year! GO DAWGS.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 9, 2007 11:23 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
GA Boy:
I see Stafford as the one guy in the country who will emerge next year and make an impact on the National scene. He looked really really good there at the end. He'll go into spring ball and emerge as a legitimate big time QB next year. This is the guy. Georgia has also put together a great recruiting class this year, to compliment, all the other pieces that are already in place. It's too bad they had to lose that DT Johnson. That dude was an animal. The SEC has had no QB like Stafford, on any of the perennial powers, in several years. This could put them over the top. We'll see if Tebow can throw it like this guy does. I doubt if he can. I think the QB edge goes to Georgia in the SEC next year. Let's see if any of those receivers can hang onto it though.
Tommie T
Ole Miss Fan said:
posted on January 9, 2007 11:55 PM — 143.112.144.129 — link — abuse?
Don't forget that Ole Miss will be coming of off back to back top 16 recruiting classes and Brent Shaeffer will have time to learn the offense this year. Also we played 17 true freshmen last year and that team took LSU to overtime in Baton Rouge,Bama to overtime in Tuscaloosa, lost to Georgia by 5, and lost to Auburn by 6.
Scott said:
posted on January 10, 2007 12:00 AM — 68.35.194.40 — link — abuse?
@ Tommie T
I wouldn't leave out X Lee at FSU, with Jimbo Fisher there to coach him up that guy may be a surprise- his arm is stronger than and he is faster than J Russ. He has all the tools, just needs some corners rounded off.
Sunshine Mountie said:
posted on January 10, 2007 12:14 AM — 71.101.3.180 — link — abuse?
It is refreshing that no idiot has even mentioned Notre Dame in their postings for this topic, isn't it? Anybody want to bet the "real" polls give them MFS (Most Favorable Status) even though they are always vastly overrated and play the weakest schedule known to man year after year. I'm guessing in the 15-20th range opening up just because they field a team.
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on January 10, 2007 12:55 AM — 68.59.5.49 — link — abuse?
A couple of comments to keep things stirred up.
West Virgina should be there when it is all over. Wonderful coach, greath athletes and easy schedule.
NEVER bet against Southern Cal... They have the best coach in college and a stockpile of players. I still do not understand how they could allow themselves to be unprepared to play UCLA for the right to regain the national title.
Too many things happening at Alabama coupled with the schudle to expect a top 10 finish. But ending in the top 20 would be special
Watch out for Georgia. I am not sure what was said and to who after losing to Vandy and Kentucky in the same season. But my goodness look at the finish.
If FSU can find a quarterback, then I do not see how anyone can stop them. Everything is there. DANGER NOLE FANS. A slow start with last year's season and you think the stadium was empty when you played Wake Forest.... you have not seen anything.
Putting three Big 10 teams in the top 10 is a little much to take (this coming from someone who defended them prior to the bowls)... but then I am sure they will be there. Just do not deserve it.
I like Texas... Start a freshman at quarterback and win 7 or 8 and that speaks volumes for the future.
Teams that could make a splash or sleepers SEC- South Carolina, however they must replace 60% of starters on o-line and the schedule is brutal. Big 12- Oklahoma, coach is there, talent is there, fan base is there... quarterback? ACC - Va. Tech... the schedule sets up nicely, but still must win some key games PAC-10 UCLA.. anyone who can beat USC when USC is playing for a shot at the natioal title has to be respected.
Big East - Lousiville.... coach... Big-10 well there are three in the top 10 so i am not sure I can pick a sleeper.OU Fan said:
posted on January 10, 2007 7:07 AM — 139.139.161.12 — link — abuse?
JohnnyThompson1 post 3, dude you must be crazy if you think that OU will have 4-5 losses next season. The amount of seniors that OU loses this season is very, very small. OU has 4 of their 5 starting O-linemen returning. They still have 2 very good RB's. And most of the defense will be back. Paul Thompson was a very inexperienced QB and look what happend this season, 11-3 with a Big 12 Championship. I see the Sooners being a much better team next season. Go Sooners!
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on January 10, 2007 8:53 AM — 68.157.6.3 — link — abuse?
(Ignorant) Big East Fan, a team that ranked 5th last year and 10th this year is on a trendline downward, not upward. Also, you will have to explain to me how - as you claim - a 15th ranked class of incoming freshman translates to a top 5 defense. You mention Slaton and sure he's great and I never questioned WVU's offense - it's their defense that's crap.
If they had a new DC coming in AND a group of talented freshman coming in AND some gifted upperclassmen returning, then I could agree with you about WVU having a potential top 5 defense. Such as it is, they have none of these things.
If your argument was that the offense was going to be so great that they could overcome the inabilities of the defense and "be worthy" of the top 5, I might believe that. However, that's not your argument.
You can call me ignorant all you want, but you're dreaming.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 10, 2007 9:26 AM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
Clemson1981:
You are correct. Allthough Spiller said he was considering a transfer closer to home (Florida), coach Bowden evidentally, convinced him to stay at Clemson in their meeting on Tuesday. This is definately good news for Clemson, even if its not the best decision that Spiller has made.
True_FSU said:
posted on January 10, 2007 10:20 AM — 168.82.56.100 — link — abuse?
Yon Gator,
Our deluded friend from the big east did make one important point. Easy Schedule. They play in the big east... you don't need much of a defense when cincinati, Uconn, Syracuse and Pitt are all free games. I think marshall and maryland are non-con games which aren't extremly rough then we have the East Carolina Pirates again probably and some hardcore I-AA action like app state or something.I don't think Rutgers will compete next year, I would be suprised if we hear from them or ACC Wake Forest again to any significant degree. Teams to watch next year are USF, WVU and UL. UL probably won't do all that much next year. Each team is 1-1 against the other two in the last two years now and they have to simply avoid upsets against other big east wannabees to all contend for the conference. This Grothe kid is something special too, he plays with some serious heart and skill.
Also some seriously inane questions are floating in this thread. Preseason rankings are about potential NOT performance from this year. Alabamas season, Boise's season etc. do not come into play. Boise has little potential next year. Alabama has lots. Aside from which boise would be 6-7 if they played in the SEC too. Both teams beat Hawaii. Alabama beat them by a greater margin. Performance from this year does play some part, I grant that, but not much. This is how FSU ends up ranked repeatedly after 5 lackluster seasons and one suck season and will probably end up ranked next year to start after this suck season. Wasted potential... The potential to be great was there, especially when we had such an easy season this year (8 home games, non-con was trash except florida).
Jim said:
posted on January 10, 2007 10:41 AM — 68.87.100.242 — link — abuse?
Ramblin' Gator #82
2 straight top 10 finishes is a trend line downward? I know the 1st was #5 and now they are #10, expect more of the same.
Defense is actually not the only problem at WVU, the other is depth. Both have been addressed with this recruiting class. A #15 recruiting class at an SEC school is nothing, at WVU it is huge because you have better coaching at WVU.
Urban Meyer studied hard when he went to Morgantown, not only the offense but I also saw one of our rugby kicks, your punter botched it though, Pat McAfee usually rolls that one for about 50 with no return. I too bought into the hype that Florida did not belong in that game, but I should have known better, Urban studied football under coach Rod this summer.
Now you know how it happened.
Tomcat said:
posted on January 10, 2007 11:20 AM — 70.245.204.255 — link — abuse?
Pre Season Predictions are kinda like a holes and elbows everybodies got some.Last year 06 I purchased four different publications.All four had different predictions and all four were wrong.
Examples
Lindys
#1 Notre Dame
#2Ohio State
#3 West Virginia
#4 Texas
#5 Florida
#6 USC
#7 Oklahoma
#8 Auburn
#9 California
#10 LSU
Sports Illustrated
#1 Ohio State
#2 Notre Dame
#3 Texas
#4 LSU
#5 USC
#6West Virginia
#7 Auburn
#8 Cal
#9 Florida
#10 Michigan
Athlon
#1 Oklahoma
#2Notre Dame
#3 USC
#4 Ohio State
#5 Florida
#6 West Vir
#7 Texas
#8 Cal
#9 Auburn
#10 Louisville
All these predictions have one thing in common they all have the mighty Irish in the top three
I would really like to see ND come down to Kyle feild in Aggieland or play a game in Lincoln Nebraska.If they were in a conference like the big XII they would have to play quality opponents every week and after 5-7 or 4-8, we would not have to see them in any more bowl games that they do not deserve to play in.
You will also notice that Oklahoma is also ranked real high on these list.Another team that gets high rankings every year wether they go 8-4 or 10-3. Hookem-Horns OU-SuxATLien said:
posted on January 10, 2007 12:37 PM — 168.9.40.241 — link — abuse?
Watch out for UGA. Heck we beat CJ and Ga Tech (Man imagine UGA, if he went 40 minutes down the road to UGA instead of Tech). We killed the other Tech VA Tech. Oh and by the way beat the snot out of Auburn the only team to beat Florida. Matthew Staford is getting better every minute. Georgia is bringing some quality recievers in and Sean Bailey is coming back from injury. We already have a super fast defense (which hint to point out is pretty tough to handle when you can't keep up with them OSU and ND). If the recievers can catch the ball, Tebow is overated as an pocket passer, and we get some freakin pressure on Erik Ainge in the freakin second half of the game. Can you say UGA playing 40 minutes away in the ATL. Winning the SEC CHampionship, going to the National Championship and hopefully playing another big slow Big Ten team or Notre Dame.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 10, 2007 1:09 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
Pre-season polls are part of the overall problem. Every aspect of ranking a team in a pre-season is based solely of opinion and not team performance. These polls are just what they say they are, "Pre-season"! Unfortuantely, these polls directly effect the ranking system once the season begins.
For example, a teams performance during the season will ultimately decide where they are to be ranked in relation to there "pre-season" ranking. It is thus easier for teams ranked higher in the pre-season to achieve the #1 ranking if they have continued success on the field than it is for teams ranked outside of the top 20 in pre-season polls. Why do we use a "pre-season poll" for the starting point of the college ranking system? Shouldn't the first polls come out after week 3 or 4?
I believe this gives an unearned advantage to the teams ranked among the top in the pre-season poll over teams that are not highly ranked. Notre Dame being a pre-season top 5 means that the Irish can afford to stumble along the way and still have a decent ranking in the polls at the end of the season. However, if that same ND team is ranked 20th in the pre-season poll, then chances are they didn't do enough to move up as high as they finished. .........Any thoughts?Darren aDAMS said:
posted on January 10, 2007 1:54 PM — 169.200.173.54 — link — abuse?
Tim Tebow is not the QB to lead the gators.Just like a number of other QB's he is highly overrated.This kid is a tail back not a QB.He will need to work all summer on his passing game.Tebow replacing Mr.Leak maybe Deshawn Winn BUT NEVER Chris Leak.Good thing for the gators that they have 2 of the top young QB's coming in this year.Put Tebow in the backfield that where he belongs.It will take more than tailback playing QB to win the next championship.And it will probably take another 8 to 10 years winner another one.
AllEers said:
posted on January 10, 2007 3:28 PM — 162.129.27.201 — link — abuse?
#20 (Zac)
The "wine" you are looking for to complement that Crow is White Lightning I believe.
It works well for two reasons a) You certainly don't taste the crow and b) You won't remember why you're eating crow in the first place.
Friendly tip from a WVU grad that can, in fact, hygenically and tastefully prepare roadkill.Ash said:
posted on January 10, 2007 3:41 PM — 69.21.116.14 — link — abuse?
Kevin,
I think you are right on in your prediction, with one exception USC #1 and Florida #2, I believe the fact that USC's QB has a whole year under his belt starting and T-Bow will be just taking over the position, above all else, will be the reason they are #2 and not #1 next year.
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on January 10, 2007 3:47 PM — 68.157.6.3 — link — abuse?
Jim (#88) wrote...
"2 straight top 10 finishes is a trend line downward? I know the 1st was #5 and now they are #10, expect more of the same."
Yes, my mathematically impaired friend. I don't even need my well-earned engineering degree from GT to inform you that the next step in the trend is 15, ergo - downward.
"...because you have better coaching at WVU."
OK, I'll agree that Rich-Rod is a good coach, but he ain't better than the whole of the SEC, as you suggest. Care to count national titles and compare results? Here's the answer: you lose!
"Urban studied football under coach Rod this summer. Now you know how it happened."
Is everyone in Morgantown on LSD? At a minimum, you should recognize that Urban went undefeated at Utah and that was a bit before this summer, so he may have some coaching smarts originating prior to visiting WVU. Or are you suggesting that he timewarped from 2004 to this summer so he could return to Utah circa 2004 and win out? Dropping acid must be second nature up there in the mountains.
All you 'eers, just keep on dreaming.
CW said:
posted on January 10, 2007 3:50 PM — 66.226.47.243 — link — abuse?
Tommie T?
Is that really you? You've come out of the closet? Aren't you the one who stated on the other blog that my prediction of Fl beating the acorns of Ohio St 37 to 17 was??? what was your quote... here it is "Have you considered rehab?"I had to apologize to several Gator grads for not giving them a larger spread! Anyway, it's good to hear your delusional self again! You've got balls since all your other Pac buddies had hid since the Gator lashing of the so called #1 BCS BSSSSSSSSS. It's always good to hear people pushing the USC-W myth... it keeps us laughing here in the South. Several LSU alumi complained that USC-W ... not ND should've played LSU. Seems the BS (BCS) computers refuse to let your boys receive the punishment that the acorns took! I guess their waiting for your boys to work on UCLA first? Oh yes… congrats on your mallards… they played a good bowl.
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 10, 2007 4:08 PM — 74.226.219.7 — link — abuse?
FSU_DA post 92:
i talked to my cousion in the talahasse area, and he said rumor around town is that amato WILL NOT be hired this off season adn that maybe mickey andrews will do linebackers this year insted, but he also said that the possiblity of amato is very very high and that bobby has talked to him numerous times already this offseason, but that amato is considering a job with UGA and rejoin with former FSU asst mark richt, but he still said that the possiblity is very high right now, and if yall land amato again, andrews will retire next year and he will be the new DC, but if you land him WOA!! i think with him and bobby and andrews and fisher, FSU is back ontop of the ACC (with a little bit of competition from clemson of course;)
posted on January 10, 2007 4:47 PM — 74.93.5.150 — link — abuse?
# 69 clemson1981, Either you have a serious case of denial or you are trying to play last year's team again. Alabama is returning many starters. Prothro will be back. They have one of the best quarterbacks in the nation, now a junior. In a few words, "Alabama is loaded".
Most of the games that Alabama played last year were very close. They are much more ready this year, just a fact that you will have to accept.
Just be very thankful that Clemson doesn't play them!
Franko G said:
posted on January 10, 2007 4:59 PM — 70.171.12.221 — link — abuse?
Here's my problems with this list:
Florida has a lot of talent and athleticism- without question...but they lose a lot of strength in the front seven of their defense. As great an athlete as Tebow is- it will still be his first year starting in the SEC against some very good defenses. Its not crazy to fathom that Tebow will probably struggle some in a few of his games, and in others he will explode and show off his talent to the world.
Florida deserves to be in the top 5, but I wouldn't put them at #1 with all the guys they lose from the front seven. Remember- their defense was their strength all year in 2006, wheareas the offense struggled mightily almost the entire season. Their defense will not be AS dominant leading to probably at least two losses with their tough SEC schedule.
Here are my two teams to look out for:
Texas and Georgia.
Texas- Look for Colt McCoy to improve on his freshman performance from 2006. He still has a boatload of receivers to throw to and Texas keeps bringing in top talent through recruiting. I look for Texas to finish strong unlike this year and earn a spot in the BCS Title game.
Georgia- Look for Matthew Stafford to really come into his own running the Bulldog offense in 2007. Many people will laugh, pointing to his 7 to 13 TD to INT ratio...BUT- against Nationally ranked Auburn, Georgia Tech, and Virginia Tech Stafford played very solid football against three SCARY GOOD defenses to finish out the season with three BIG wins. Coach Mark Richt named Mike Bobo the playcaller- and he called a great second half of football against the Hokies when UGA charged back from an 18 point deficit. This freed up Mark Richt to pull out some tricks like the onside kick(Richt has called plays in Georgia since he arrived until the Georgia Tech game).
Georgia returns all of their recievers who were a weakness on this year's team early, but will become a strength soon enough. Georgia returns Kregg Lumpkin at Tailback and gets Thomas Brown back from a season ending injury in 2006. Georgia has also brought in a ton of talent through recruiting in the last few years. The Bulldog's biggest obstacle heading into 2007 is the offensive line- which will make or break their season. They are relying on some JUCO offensive lineman to fill the holes, and if they are effective Georgia will make some major noise in the SEC.
Im gonna say it now- Georgia will play LSU in the Georgia Dome for the SEC Title in 07, and Georgia will return to the Top 10, where they have made their living under Mark Richt.
TampaGator said:
posted on January 10, 2007 5:05 PM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
My top 10:
1. UF
2. USC(cali)
3. LSU
4. OU
5. S-Carolina
6. Michigan
7. Texas
8. Auburn
9. FSU
10. TENNI don't like poll position to begin season, but we did just win the big enchilada, and we're loaded coming back....all of which translates to one big traget on our backside...Bring it on!!
(Sorry Buckeyes--you're graduating too much talent, and you didn't exactly impress the other night; ditto for Notre Dame/the other week).
cardman steve said:
posted on January 10, 2007 5:11 PM — 74.131.211.89 — link — abuse?
1.fla 2.usc 3.lsu 4.w va 5.mich 6.rutgers ,arkansas tie7.auburn 8.okl 9.texas 10.ohio st. 11.louisville 12. s fla 13.cal 14.fla st 15.byu 16.tenn 17.ga 18.wis 19.tcu 20.texas a and m 20.cornhuskers 21.ga tech 22.s miss 23.wake forest 24.bama 25.iowa others------ kentucky,clemsom,minn, a wac team, a mac team, bc maryland and miami of fla. texas tech as well. all consider votes.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 10, 2007 5:14 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
Tebow will be just fine as the QB for the Gators. I think Meyer was very creative in finding a way to get Tim into the offense with Leak. Don't be fooled by Tebows seemingly linebacker mentality when he's running the ball- The kid can throw the football. I believe he holds (or at least held until this year) many of the Florida High School passing records.
Meyer was able to get Tebow into the lineup and acclimated to the Gator system and SEC football without puting all the pressure on him that a freshman QB in the SEC would normally have. Next year Tebow will be the QB wihtout question and the Gators are likely to make another run at a NC. The kid is good.NYCMichiganFan said:
posted on January 10, 2007 5:16 PM — 128.59.183.189 — link — abuse?
#91 Fanofthegame,
I couldn't agree more. Not only do the preseason polls affect who goes to what bowls, but they also affect the post season rankings after the bowls. As a perfect example of the problem with a preseason poll, take the OSU Buckeyes. They started #1 based largely on the fact that they destroyed a vastly overrated ND team in the Fiesta bowl the year before and had Smith, Ginn and Co returning. Granted, after going undefeated it is likely that they would have gotten to #1. But after getting exposed by Florida, I have no idea why they are #2 (not that anyone cares who is #2). Look back at their "big" wins - Texas (a three loss team when their QB was as green as they come)and Michigan (a good two loss team, though clearly not a #2 given what happened in the Rose Bowl). Neither of those two wins, combined with the awful showing in Arizona, merits a #2 final ranking. Instead, the final ranking is largely a product of their preseason ranking and the fact that they were #1 all year. Personally, after watching Monday's debacle, I think there are probably 3 and maybe 4 teams better than OSU on a neutral field. But that's just a biased Michigan fan talking. The more important problem is how the preseason rankings affect the bowl selections. For that, let's take another hated rival as an example. If Notre Dame were ranked 18 coming into the season as they are now (which in my opinion is still too high) and then had lost by 26 at home to Michigan, after beating GT by only 4, they would have fallen out of the top 25. Their 9 weak wins in a row would likely have gotten them back in the top 15 or so. But then the loss to USC would have dropped them back around 20. They would not have gone to a BCS game, which despite the big payout, may have been a good thing for ND because then they might have played a team they had a chance of beating.
blackdeath452 said:
posted on January 10, 2007 6:32 PM — 70.128.24.117 — link — abuse?
the razorbacks need to remember how they got to where they did this year,by riding on darren mcfaddens coattails and can do the same if not better next year by doing much of the same and not trying to cater to mustain and his family
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on January 10, 2007 7:03 PM — 68.157.6.3 — link — abuse?
#91 FanOfTheGame, I completely agree. I have had this opinion (i.e. the inherent evil of preseason polls) since my beloved Yellow Jackets had to share the 1990 national title with Colorado. GT was undefeated with one tie and the Buffs had one loss, one tie, and the infamous "fifth down" win against Missouri to "earn" their share of the title. What made the difference for the Buffs? They opened the season ranked in the top 10 of every preseason poll and GT started the season unranked.
Preseason polls are fun as it's great to look back at the end of the season and see how your predictions did. They shouldn't be used for any purpose other than fun. Just ask Boise State.
Rick said:
posted on January 10, 2007 7:29 PM — 65.4.72.155 — link — abuse?
this is the crappiest top 25 ive ever seen.......why the hell is clemson number 19? the last time i checked, they lost to a weak opponent in a crappy bowl. wisconsin needs to beat someone before they can even be in the top 10. and wut the crap, ARIZONA???? when did they get a football team? this is messed up
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 10, 2007 8:08 PM — 74.226.219.7 — link — abuse?
Dave post 100:
throw it in my face as you please, i cant be convinced that bama deserves to be number 2, maybe in the lower half of the top 25 but not number 2, if you want to talk about returning talent then why dont we put clemson adn south carolina up there at 1 and 2? you say bama has returning stars and i guess they do but we didnt here much out of there this year on theses "great stars" of theirs, prothro is good but is plagued by injuries, so personaly i need to see bama perform till they join my top 5, for now they are number 4 in the west behind Arkansas, Auburn and LSU.cardman steve said:
posted on January 10, 2007 8:13 PM — 74.131.211.89 — link — abuse?
i did not rank the irish. i am sick beyound sick seeing this team get a free ride just because they are ND. i feel if they where in the big east this past season,they would have been 4th or 5th. a extremly over rated football team. houston from c-usa could beat them and even the kentucky wildkittens. NBC ,lou holtz, and other lousy pundits. stop giving these guys a free ride. i was too nice. 6th in the big east.
Mooka said:
posted on January 10, 2007 8:31 PM — 68.107.102.29 — link — abuse?
CW,
I think Gamecocks have alot of potential and I think they will be good in the years to come. Not expecting too much from them in the Pre-season polls though. They will have to claw their way up there, but I think they can do it. The Ole Miss fan also made a good case on their talent next year too. They weren't losing games by much last year. I was at the game when LSU beat them in OVERTIME. Yes, it took overtime, and that wasn't the only close loss they had to some really good teams. My point is just that the whole SEC will be good next year. How well South Carolina will do? I haven't a clue, but good luck.
MountaineerinSC said:
posted on January 10, 2007 9:07 PM — 63.135.42.251 — link — abuse?
From a Mountaineer fan now living in South Carolina. WVU should be somewhere in the top ten. A win here or a lose there will make the difference in how high. Not too many fans have picked USC (Gamecocks) to finish in the top 25. This team is on the edge of making big strides, most likey next year. They were just a few points from doing that this year. Put that with a top ten recruiting class this year and a top notched coach and it could be some 2007.
Jim said:
posted on January 10, 2007 11:07 PM — 155.229.229.162 — link — abuse?
Ramblin' Gator #96
I was just jerking your chain in most of that post but what I was trying to say was that I don't think that 2 straight top 10 finishes when you have most of the key people from those 2 teams back for the 3rd year can be counted as a trend downward. WV will finish in the top 10 again next year, the defense will be better as will the offense. And don't tell me the defense has no room to get worse, we know that.
I know Urban can coach, I was just joking. You SEC guys have a short fuse.
Are all people in Morgantown on LSD? Don't know I live in Charleston.
Hats off to the Gators, I don't know how you got through that schedule with just 1 loss but you did it. I would still rather see a playoff.
Rebel Chuck said:
posted on January 11, 2007 3:00 AM — 143.112.144.129 — link — abuse?
Ole Miss 2008 SEC champions. You know all those great players that USC has right now? Our head coach built those recruiting classes and he's doing the same thing in Oxford, Mississippi right now! This best thing is that no one is noticing our build up. it will make for a very easy rise to the top. The days of Ole Miss domination over LSU will soon return!
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on January 11, 2007 12:22 PM — 68.59.5.49 — link — abuse?
Clemson 1981........ would you just ignore Dave post 100.......... In four years they will have a new coach. the turmoil in Alabama will contiune. and Dave.... you very well may go 10-2 this year or next.... but you will never get to where Auburn, LSU or Arkansa are until you address your own administrative problems.
Tomcat said:
posted on January 11, 2007 12:45 PM — 70.245.204.255 — link — abuse?
#91 Fanofthegame I agree with you 100%
Not only do these pre-season ranking help certain teams they also hurt more deserving teams EX Utah 04 ans Auburn 04.
Some teams that play in conferences without championships also have an advantage over teams that do. Examples USC, OSU , Mich, Cal and then we always have ND
The XII championship game featured two teams that lost to Texas.
If PAC-10 and Big 10/11 had championship games it would help end some of the contraversy that teams in these conferences do not recognize.
That woulda probably resulted in a OSU vs Mich rematch and woulda ended alot of BS.
Why not, when you look at SEC or XII these type of games happen every year. AU vs Tenn 04
UT vs CU 05 etc. etc.Paul said:
posted on January 11, 2007 1:10 PM — 207.255.83.138 — link — abuse?
I would just like to thank everyone for not even mentioning Penn State. 2005 pre-season they were unranked. If it were not for the mysterious 2seconds that the Referines got PSU would have been playing USC. But PSU still finished 3rd. 2006 Penn State was ranked pre-season. Well they lost to all top20 teams and had an ok year. Well most of PSU starters are returning next year. Oh and remind me who won the Outback bowl, wait I remember it was PSU 20, Tenn. 10. But yet Tenn. is ranked. HHHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMM!!! So please keep forgetting about PSU. I bet you do remember them next year at this time.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 11, 2007 1:16 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
Tomcat;
I definately agree with you on this. I think it has been preoven several times, that teams that do not have a Conference Championship Game are in a better position to get a BCS. I'm taking nothing away from teams like USC or Ohio State, nor am I questioning their success- but they do not play in Conference Championship games, that often serve as "BCS Elimination" games. The one instance where Oklahoma got voted into the NC game after failing to win the big12 a few years ago, is still regarded by many as the biggest farce in the BCS to date.
This only solidifies the arguement that most people see Conference Championship games, as "BCS Elimination" games and in their eyes, have no real right to play for the NC.
I have mentioned in some of my previous posts, that teams that have conference championship games should not have to play more than one opponent from the same conference that hails from the other division. Example: Texas should not have to play Nebraska, Iowa State, and K- State. But rather only one of those teams. Thus leaving the Horns a chance to schedule 2 more top tier opponents on their schedule from other conferences.
Also, it reduces the likelihood of teams like Texas being left out of the Big12 Championship game after beating both teams that do play in the game.
I think that most college football fans agree that the Big12 was not as strong as it has been in recent years, and that Texas was still the best team in the Big 12 regardless of who played in the B12 Championship. After all, they did upset Oklahoma (Big12 Champion) on a neutral field this year. But regardless, the scheduing system in the big12 tends to promote the potential for contrevoury, not only in the Big12 Championship game, but in the BCS picture as well.hokie4life said:
posted on January 11, 2007 1:27 PM — 67.72.98.118 — link — abuse?
All I can say is watch out world!! That is if our O-Line shows up? We have the best defense in the country and with a O-Line have a potentially explosive offense. We will win 10 games next season!! FSU beware when you get to Blacksburg this season!!! Same goes with the Canes!!! You haven't heard loud until you get to Lane especially at night. Just ask Kirk Herbstriet
CW said:
posted on January 11, 2007 1:46 PM — 204.84.232.251 — link — abuse?
Mooka,
I think USC will be in the hunt against other SEC teams next year! My long shot in the mix is the ACC team WFU? Most of that team including its QB is back. Coach Jim Grobe has stated he expects a better team next year! I was impressed with them while watching them in the Orange Bowl.The Cards are out since their coach has departed to Atlanta. I don't know if Wake could play with our SEC top tier? However, they certainly could be BCS ready since the only major competition in the ACC seams to be a show down b/w them and VT? I'd love to see a WFU & Pac show down! What's your wild card team?Tommy60 said:
posted on January 11, 2007 2:18 PM — 76.215.204.94 — link — abuse?
Did you see the picture of Ted Ginn Jr. getting injured during the celebration?
http://brssports.blogspot.com/2007/01/oh-teddy-what-did-we-do-to-you.html
gatorstud said:
posted on January 11, 2007 3:12 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
hey jacob..i would havee to disagree w/ you about floridas chances of going back to back.....their schedule is a litle softer next year havin auburn, tenn, and fsu at home next year...it just depends on who jumps ship....if we lose moss and nelson from our defense..that might make it alittle tough....as long as we beat tenn, and georgia we should control the sec east and be able to get back int the sec champ. game..and we will see where we go from there.....with tebow getting in alot of playing time this year should get him ready for full time duty next year...and with a weapon like harvin...watch out...FEAR THE GATOR....my predictions for next years nat. champ game....FLORIDA VS USC
So Cal Clippers (USMC) said:
posted on January 11, 2007 3:42 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
CW,
Im thinking 2007 will look a lot like 2005... USC and Florida will be the top 2 teams from the whole season, inevitably meeting in the BCS Title game (a la USC & Texas).
The Wild Card Team for 2007 (early pick) is Virginia Tech. They have a lot of Starters returning from a young team (solid team) this past season. Now, this "wild card team" pick/thing depends on how "Wild" we're talking about... think UCLA.
UCLA will have Experience & Talent Up-n-Down their entire Roster next season! On paper, UCLA is a Top 10 team that could potentially be a "Contender" (I think maybe only Oklahoma 2004 had as many Returning Starters as UCLA will have in 2007), UCLA could be the Ultimate "Wild Card Team" of 2007. But UCLA is as inconsistant/underachieveing as any team in the country -- which reminds me of Miami and Florida State. Both of those teams have the "talent" to contend... and coming off such mediocre seasons, I'd say they qualify as a potential "wild card team".
Wake is an interesting pick. They had something like 19 or 20 returning Starters coming into 2006 (2nd most in the country, I believe). Surprisingly, they'll have another 'veteran team' in 2007 (usually doesnt happen like). But Wake's relative success this season was in large part due to the ACC having a HORRIBLE season, collectivelly in 2006. They'd truely be a "Wild Card" if they Contend for the Title next season.
CW said:
posted on January 11, 2007 6:11 PM — 66.226.47.243 — link — abuse?
So Cal Clipper,
VT is possible? They beat WFU pretty easily?? Although it turned out that Grobe was holding out his starters (plus several injured during the FSU game). He was looking past VT to prepare for MY. If there is a weakness with Wake it will be its depth! His team has to stay healthy! As for USC... the Gamecocks are rising ... thanks to their legendary coach - Steve Spurrier! However, I'm not sure they will stop the Gators, LSU or the Crimson Tide! However, you’re correct… they could give them a tough contest. It would definitely be a wild card for USC if they are ranked next to the FL! Wow the Gators and Gamecocks #1&2 in the BCS? I don’t think the BCS would allow it to occur. It would imply a top 10 like this:
1. FL-Gators
2. USC – Gamecocks
3. LSU – Tigers
4. ALABAMA – (Crimson Tide)
5. AUBURN – War Eagles
6. GEORGIA – BULL DOGS
7. TENN – Volunteers (may switch from 7 to 12)
8. SOUTHERN MISS
9. WFU – Demon Deacons (My Wild Card)
10. Rutgers - ?? I’m giving them a chance / Ga Tech or VT
I would prefer to place the USC Gamecocks near # 10? But I’ll go with your suggestion of # 2.
clemsontigersfanatic said:
posted on January 11, 2007 7:47 PM — 71.61.93.235 — link — abuse?
I love how University of South Carolina fans ( who have been a second class football school for years, as well as the graveyard of football coaches) get so excited after a good year. You had great years with Holtz too but still couldn't get over the hump. You beat Clemson and now all of a sudden Clemson is the most overrated team in College Football. I will make this statement now, "Spurrier will never get it done at USC" (perhaps Southern Cal) and Clemson will be ready to roll next year. Bowden is getting the players he needs along with the coordinaters he needs. The team will take a hit at O line but so will South Carolina. The Tigers are getting their players and so is USC, but lets face it. Its still South Carolina. Soon enough they'll be the Tigers whipping boys again.
Rebel Chuck said:
posted on January 11, 2007 9:11 PM — 143.112.144.129 — link — abuse?
CLEMSON is never going to Roll!! How many years do we have to hear about how good Clemson is going to be and they never are! South Carolina is about to move ahead of Clemson if they already haven't and they are doing it with half the talent! Clemson will fold this year like they always do.
Jim said:
posted on January 11, 2007 9:21 PM — 209.40.175.90 — link — abuse?
Hey Cardman,
What's worse is that this year-after-year media plan to over rank Notre Dame is nothing but a financial subsidy for their football program.
As someone here pointed out earlier, once a team is ranked high in the preseason polls its hard to drop them all the way down. Especially if they're ND. Then ND goes to a bowl game and gets blown out as usuall but, hey, their program still gets millions 0f $.
BCS is all about money.
Give us a playoff system.beaverpatrol said:
posted on January 11, 2007 9:30 PM — 64.147.38.140 — link — abuse?
wow! awsome to see my huskers get some well deserved recognition. were back people! and it feels oooh soo good. coach calahan is a recruiting monster. hes bringin in the the good stuff. im not saying were gonna win the national title just yet, but everyone had better look out and respect us.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 11, 2007 10:29 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
CW:
I'll take that as "rehab was not successful - patient discharged". Only the truly insane could have ever imagined that score. I'm glad your there, man. Better you than me. I'll just settle for takin' Florida and the points. But, your prediction was truly remarkable. I'll give that to you. I got one question though, "Does God talk to you"? If so, can you ask him who the two Super Bowl participants are gonna be, and what the final score will end up as? This could really come in handy - this kinda insider information. You got to ask HIM soon - as time is of the essence. CW, you could end up being just as filthy rich as Howard Hughes was (with your incredible prognasticating abilities), and equally out of your mind.
Tommie T
Dartmouth Bob said:
posted on January 11, 2007 11:00 PM — 24.35.118.89 — link — abuse?
As I read through these comments, I can't but notice the ridiculous optimism of the South Carolina Gamecock fans, and their completely unfounded hatred (or jealousy?) of the Clemson team. The Gamecocks have a brilliant coach, one that, at most schools, could outcoach any, including Bowden. However, the Gamecocks are a second-rate team, that, as your own coach put it, are trying to accomplish the "impossible task of winning the SEC". At least he is grounded. Clemson is full of young talented players with a coach on the hot-seat - a formula for success. This is not even mentioning the pickup of Willy Korn. My advice to USC fans: Truly savor your win this over Clemson, as you will only know that feeling for 12 months before it comes crashing down. South Carolina will barely post a winning record, and will go play a nobody in a bowl game. As usual...
Allen in Midland said:
posted on January 12, 2007 12:28 AM — 70.188.105.171 — link — abuse?
I know this has been disscused but where is Boise State? What about TTU? You know tech will be better this year. You can't move any further behind......right? I don't see TCU ever being a contender. Come on realy?
CW said:
posted on January 12, 2007 9:03 AM — 66.226.47.243 — link — abuse?
TT,
I knew Fl's QB while he played at Independence HS! You could easily see he was being prepared for greatness! It's hard in the SEC to move out in front and raise national recognition. All the teams in the SEC are equally tough. If the BCS (BS) hadn't been forced to place FL in the title bowl... he still wouldn't have been known! Quinn the so called heisman winner would've remained the national QB. Many thanks to UCLA for placing FL at the top. Fl was much too fast and their offense / defensive line equally fast and better conditioned... but that's the adv of the southeast. In a BCS bowl I'll never bet against the SEC & a few in the ACC. Most NFL draft picks since 1982 have come from this region... the NFL most know something? Look at Matt Leinart your heisman flop? Now Ohio St Quinn? I learned by 1990 that something was up with "regions." Traveling in FL / deep South then in the military out west ... it seems kids in the South have remained dedicated to the sport. High School FB especially in FL draws thousands at each game!! Elsewhere it appears FB, Basketball, etc... Seems to have been replaced with Video Games. A little cold weather (N. East) they stay inside. I hope the disease doesn't catch here! It makes people soft. Look at the reality – Florida became the first to hold both the national championship in BB & FB at the same time! That says it all! The Southeast is kinda like Global Warming... the athletes are going to only get more dominant... unless video virus spreads here!
OU Fan said:
posted on January 12, 2007 10:21 AM — 139.139.161.12 — link — abuse?
Tomcat and Fanofthegame, regardless that OU and Nebraska both lost to Texas, OU had 1 conference loss and Texas had 2. And Tomcat, I don't know if those numbers are 2 large for you to calculate in your head, but thats 2 conference losses for Texas and 1 conference loss for OU in the Big 12 south race this past season. And your horns lost to ATM in Austin where as OU beat ATM in College Station. Your horns suck. Go Sooners!
violiner1 said:
posted on January 12, 2007 1:45 PM — 74.241.21.25 — link — abuse?
I know its been hashed over, but leaving Louisville out is borderline insane. Bush playted absolutely no part in this seasons success, and his successor Allen, is going to be just as good. Brohm was hurt and relatively ineffective much of the season. If Cantwell had played the 4th quartet at Rutgers Louisville would probably have won the game and gone 12-0. You folks who haven't seen him play are clueless about his abilities. If Coach K is a dummy, they may have problems but the talent is there and the veterans are there - football is not about a few marquee players its about teams and Louisville is well-stocked. Three losses? I can imagine 2 at the most and the only team they should fear is WVU which also gets no respect. I think WVU would run a number of SEC teams into the ground and the SEC is my favorite conference.
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 12, 2007 3:39 PM — 74.226.219.7 — link — abuse?
Rebel Chuck post 134:
so did you just come to this planet? i guess so, let me explain to ya here buddy, the university of south carolina football program has an alltime lossing record, they have hired holtz and now spurrier, now to me had joe morrison never passed away (god bless the man a great coach and even better person, this coming from a tiger) USC would more than likely be at clemson's level, now im guessing you are an OLE MISS fan, just going by the name so you dont know much of clemosn-carolina football. carolina has long been known to have talent, you will never hear many tigers say they have not had talent, sidney rice being the most recent and who can forget corey boyd, BUT the problem has long been that USC's talent cant step it up and cant produce wins, my opinion is EGO, they know they are talented but they dont play well together, a couple of exceptions i will say have been very good for them, now USC beat how many teams besides clemosn that were in the top 25? ill let you think for a second..........oh thats right, NONE!!! and dont dare come back with that old excuse, "Well they ALMOST beat auburn they ALMOST beat florida....." people dont understand these days that if you lose by 1 or 100 a loss is a loss so get over it!!!! usc is a second hand team and spurrier will go to a high bidder later, and if you think he was interested in bama your wrong!!! the guy wants money and bama would have payed but not as much as they are paying sabanhe would have made 25K more there then at USC, chunk change to him, and he was never bama's real target anyways. i have family that has gone to USC and USC friends, and they all know that there history and there success pales in comparison to that of clemson, but that never stops them from giving me the motto of all gamecocks: "WELL YOU JUST WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR" dont want to hear it anymore!!!FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 12, 2007 5:00 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
Mayor: (post# 127)
The arguement is not whether conferences like the PAC10 play everyone in their conference during the season.
The arguement is that conferences that have conference championship games are at somewhat of a disadvantage. For one reason; teams like Texas may have to play Nebraska twice during a season because of the scheduling and a CCG, which I mentioned before. Also, teams like USC can lose their last conference game to UCLA (like this year)and still get a BCS bowl (and deserve the bowl). Teams that lose their conference championship game are almost guaranteed to be eliminated from a chance at getting a BCS bowl (save for Oklahoma in the stupidest move the BCS has made to date).
I am not saying that I am against Conference Championship Games. I think they may help put the rankings into perspective. BUT, there is no need for teams in the same conference to play one another if they are in different divisions within the conference. I can see where one game a year may not dilute the system, but 3 games a year against conference teams from the other division (not to include the CCG) is too much.frogfan 99 said:
posted on January 12, 2007 5:37 PM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?
Alan in Midland 141, how can you say TCU will not be a contender? Lets see in 2006, TCU had the #2 rush defense, #2 total defense, and #3 scoring defense in the country. And in 2007 they are returning 9 starters. Seems to me it takes an awesome DEFENSE to win games, just ask Florida. Yes TTU has an explosive offense, but when it counted, against TCU, it was defense that won that game. I don't see a 12-0 TCU team, but they will be a contender.
The Mayor said:
posted on January 12, 2007 6:00 PM — 24.7.54.200 — link — abuse?
Fan of the Game,
Understood, I see your point. I just don't want see any more teams added to the Pac-10. I like the rivalaries within our conference and nothing was worse than skipping USC or UW when there were only 11 games on our schedule.
If we add two more teams, then yes, a conference champioship would be necessary, profitable and exciting.
That occasional "second meeting" in a CCG is always such a drag don't you think?
Justin said:
posted on January 12, 2007 6:44 PM — 69.66.0.122 — link — abuse?
Top 10:
1.LSU
2.Michigan
3.USC
4.Florida
5.Virginia Tech
6.Wisconsin
7.Nebraska
8.Georgia
9.Texas
10.Boise State
Hey, how do you guys like this top 10. Pretty good top 10 isn't it. It is finally time that Nebraska has gotten the respect that they deserve. Oklahoma (f-ing hillbillies) don't even deserve to play football, they are a bunch of whimps. And Florida, do you Florida fans remember in 1995 the biggest ass whoopin that Florida has ever takin by Nebraska. That was a pretty good game wasn't. Do you guys remember Tommie Frazier runnin wild all over your defense, that was pretty good too. So you guys are lookin at the next national champs, baby!! GO HUSKERS!!!!!!!!!!!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 12, 2007 8:01 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
CW:
What QB are you talkin' about? Tim Tebow? I saw the guy hit a "jump shot" from the three yard line once. Hey, he made it. Maybe he ought to play for the Varsity Basketball squad. He surely can't pass - or Meyer might have let him throw it once or twice. If you guys are gonna rely on this guy next year, when Meyer has no confidence in his passing ability, your gonna be in big trouble. You better just stick to the ol' single wing or the wishbone or something. Tebow could probably handle fullback in "the bone". But, many other SEC freshmen QB's were allowed to throw it and did pretty fair. I'm not tryin' to burst any bubbles, but Chris Leak had been the QB, since he was a freshman. If you had to rely on Tebow - Ohio State would have ground out a win. Next year - Tebow won't run it up the middle on anyone. Nice win, enjoy the Championship, and pray like hell that you don't have to play USCW next year. Otherwise, your gonna be on the wrong end of a real serious beatdown.
Tommie T
RUKiddinMe said:
posted on January 12, 2007 8:09 PM — 68.1.151.212 — link — abuse?
TT Post155- I hate to get in on a conversation that dosent concern me BUT...What was your "prediction" on the NC game?(U were wrong right?) UFs last OOC game (I know it was a weak school) Tebow did pass the rock and did quite well! Dont make too many assumptions until we see the kid play as the starting QB!
CFB Guy said:
posted on January 12, 2007 8:19 PM — 65.34.131.118 — link — abuse?
Going into next year USC should be number 1. I hate them, but I don't see how they aren't up there.
Big 10: OSU shouldn't be in the top 15. The two best Big 10 teams next year are going to be Michigan and Penn State. Penn State has the D, but little offense. In fact, Penn State had to have an 85 yard fumble return for a TD, along with 2 other Vols turnovers, to even stand a chance. None the less, they will compete for the Big 10 title.
SEC: Urban Meyer's Gators will be tough no matter who they have coming back. Urban is great. The problem with the SEC is that right now, they are the deepest. In the past their have been legitimate arguments on this. Not right now. It will be virtually impossible for an SEC team to come out with even 0 or even 1 loss. Gators get the edge.....For you UGA fans, UGA looked good at the end but Stafford still has a lot to prove. UGA has to play in Knoxville next year. They will finish behind Florida and TN in the SEC East. By the way, Stafford couldn't hold Ainge's jock.Pac 10: USC should have little competition. They are the only Pac 10 team that can play defense week in and week out.
Big East: They will have WV or Louisville in the top 5 at the end. There conference gets some props, but those two teams will have a week enough schedule to get one of them in National Title contention.
ACC: Not worth mentioning.
Big 12: Texas and OU is it. Neither are that impressive. I could throw for 300 yards against Texas in 06. 07 will be worse. They are losing O line. They may be worse next year. People are putting them up there because of their big name.
By bowl time next year, the top 5 will look like this:
1) USC
2) West Virginia
3) Florida
4) Penn State
5) LSUAmazing that I put Penn State up there, huh! I hate those bastards, but they are playing in the Big 10 when it's not too deep. Troy Smith threw for all of about 100 yards against them last year. Who does OSU have this year to beat a strong returning D, and an O that will be just good enough to get them through. Again, I hate Penn State. I'm an SEC guy. Penn State is the surprise team next year, though. They will upset Michigan.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 12, 2007 9:13 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
RUKIDDENME?
I stuck with the numbers. Computers had Ohio State by eight and so did the line. I took Florida and the points and predicted an Ohio State victory. I was real happy that Florida won the game. So what? I've seen Tebow play many times. I haven't seen him throw it five times. I know that he was highly regarded and all, but it was really strange that Meyer wouldn't let him toss even one, in that big blowout win. I understand that alot of other games were really close - and there wasn't any time for foolin' around. Southern Cal doesn't even let a QB get on the field for two years. So, Pete Carroll doesn't have any faith in young QB's either. But, many have played well. I'm just throwin' out some hash is all. I do think that Florida will suffer some growing pains with Tebow in there though. I also think that he'll make big plays when things break down. So, it'll be interesting.
Tommie T
CW said:
posted on January 12, 2007 9:25 PM — 66.226.47.243 — link — abuse?
TT,
My how soon we forget! Ohio St couldn't have beat Ole Miss that night! They have to be the worst team I've seen play in years! Bugs bunny could've been the Gators QB! I have absolutely no worries from USCW... that means 0. I knew Ohio St was full of crap!! The same as the BCS sending ND to LSU! If USCW had a chance to beat SEC top tier teams it was this past year??? The SEC is going to be really strong next year. However, that helps you Pac people. The chances of the SEC having an undefeated team amidst the comp that I see setting up is near impossible! So whimp teams from conferences like the pac can develop a "powerhouse undefeated team like USCW." Meanwhile a 4 or 5 loss SEC or 2 loss ACC team would have no problems with the pac. I believe coach Grobe brought his Wake team to play yall a few years back and beat you 37 to 14 or something like that. Anyway your hope is for the BCS computers ($) to keep your myth alive.I think this season has ended the conflict. When the Gators beat the team “we all heard was the biggest, toughest, meanest, “talented” team this nation has ever seen” with a QB worshiped by the Big 10 and feared by the Pac… we have nothing that even resembles a threat. Just stay in your rose bowl and pray for that BCS computer.
gatorstud said:
posted on January 12, 2007 10:30 PM — 71.114.217.67 — link — abuse?
hey double t....meyer did let tebow throw one.....the touchdown pass in the 4th. quarter....it wasn't for much, but it was a td pass...just throwin it out there....i see that booty should be one of the frontrunners for the heisman....is he worth the hype or is it mistaken identity....i really didn't see that many usc games this year to make an honest judgement....so what's your take?
RUKiddinMe said:
posted on January 12, 2007 10:33 PM — 68.1.151.212 — link — abuse?
TT 159- I to think their will be growing pains with Tebow. I have seen him try and force the ball in on double coverage and think those kinda things will happen while he grows. BTW, u must have missed his TD pass in the "Big Game". Just give him a chance is all Im sayn! Who knows, he may shake harder than JD Booty w/pressure! Well see soon enough!!!
Hotty Toddy said:
posted on January 13, 2007 1:49 AM — 65.7.1.73 — link — abuse?
Ole Miss 2008 SEC Champions? Alright, i'll take that. A bit of a longshot but alright! We're definately a wild card with ALOT of upcoming and talent -- something we haven't really seen since McAllister, Miller, Manning, Stackhouse, Gunn, Biddle, and the rest. The "O" era is rising to an empire. The Rebels will be the team to be reckoned with in the SEC these upcoming seasons.
Tebow will fluke. Flop. Expire. He won't be able to run against the defenses of the SEC game in and game out like he did this year. Leak won't be there to bail him out with the passing game. Tebow, my suggestion is? Watchout for Rory Johnson.
Tebow will be knocked on his ass by the Rebels this '08 season just like Grossman and Leak were. Something about the Ole Miss-Florida games that get us here in Oxford excited...
Tomcat said:
posted on January 13, 2007 2:52 AM — 70.245.204.255 — link — abuse?
#152 Thanks Man you understand # 127 Mr. Mayor I dont blame you dude, I would feel the same way in your very generous conference. Check this out.
USC lost two conference games, right?
They went to the rose bowl
As a Texas fan if we lose one conference game no
BCS.The only exception was 04 we lost one game and got to play Mich this was the exception.
If all conferences had championships fine, if not then nobody should have to play them.
# 132 CW I thought I was a homer? hey you take the cake.
#145 We suck? we beat yall the last two years, are yall gonna bitch about injuries and refs?
Did you see the A&M game? I did ,and yall got beat everywhere but the scoreboard.Thank goodness they beat UT now they have Fran next year.
How bout them Boise St. Broncos
Hookem-Horns Gig-em Aggies Ou still Sux
TCU-Frogs Baylor Bears Rice OwlsOU Fan said:
posted on January 13, 2007 8:28 AM — 139.139.161.12 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, obviously its the scoreboard that matters, right? And I didn't think that I b@tched about injuries or refs. And you say Fran is coming back next season? Who gives a rats a$$. ATM will play in Norman next year, oh and UT will play at College Station. And Justin post 155, Oklahoma, which is the team you call a bunch of wimps and hillbillies beat your pathetic a$$ Huskers in the Big 12 championship game. You didn't forget that did you? And Nebraska football will never be back will Bill Callahan running the show. And Tomcat, just remember that Mack Brown used to be an offensive coordinator for yours truly, the Oklahoma Sooners!! Go Sooners, beat Tex-ass, whhhoooooooooooo!!!!
PopsMich said:
posted on January 13, 2007 9:06 AM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
I'm thinking about signing off and coming back in 2008 based on the following prediction for 2007:
USC finishes the year at No.1 in the BCS and its a battle to determine No. 2 as their opponent in the NC game.
In the final Poll, an undefeated Wolverine team (that beats PSU in the Big House) does not get the votes. The voters reason "We simply don't want to see a repeat of last year's Rose Bowl, even though Michigan is a better team this year."
The second place battle for votes goes instead to TCU, who run the table and go undefeated.
Fans throughout the South rage in anger arguing that Texas, FSU and LSU are more deserving in a close contest for votes, where coaches appear on ESPN stating their case(s).
After TCU gets the nod, peace and harmony breaks out on Fanblogs.com as fans unite in disgust asking "why don't we have a playoff?"
Right - Peace and harmony. I'll be here :)
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 13, 2007 10:51 AM — 74.226.219.7 — link — abuse?
PopsMich:
i can normally agree with most of what you say, but lets clear something, Texas is nto the south, just to let you know not bein rude or nothing. and TCU in the NC game, not gonna work out, why? becusae of the same reason BSU isnt playing UF for the National Title.Smity03 said:
posted on January 13, 2007 11:04 AM — 69.140.104.49 — link — abuse?
OK, your missing SOOOOOO MANY teams like Louisville, Notre Dame (even though they get their butts handled in the sugar bowl they have had a pretty good recuiting class these past years), Cal, Boise State, ect..! I'm sorry I LIVE IN MARYLAND and even I know that UMD wont be top 25 breaking in a new QB. And OSU #9! YOU WISH! Too many loses!
National Championship Preview:
West Virginia vs Southern Cal.
WVU is too talented on the offensive side of the ball and their only real chalenge is Louisville. (which they play in Morgantown this year) They go undeafeted.
Usc does not have any real chalenges in the PAC-10 this year. and have way too much talent even with the loss of Dwayne Jaret.
Final score:
WVU: 35
USC: 32
(I'm just adding that Florida will not survive the SEC and neither will any other team. As for Lsu: No Russel, no BCS. Michigan is a tougher one, they could go undeafeted but I think they will lose @ Wisconsin who will lose a game they are favorited in. That simple)scfan1990 said:
posted on January 13, 2007 11:37 AM — 70.34.163.120 — link — abuse?
Reading post 150, Clemson1981 obviously has a real problem with South Carolina and I can guess why. Not only did you lose to a less talented team in USC, you lost to Kentucky. Give me a break! Bowden made a comment that Spurrier goes 7-5 at USC he gets a raise, and if Bowden were to do that at Clemson, he might lose his job. Checking the winn/loss record at the end of the bowl season you notice that both teams ended up 8-5. The only difference, Clemson was loaded with talent and still managed to lose to both SEC teams they played. Bowden needs to keep his mouth shut and not worry about Spurrier. If Bowden didn't have a few late season wins over his daddy and USC, he would already be an assistant coach somewhere else. Not to mention, Spurrier (who has several conference titles and a National Title) is still paid less than Tommy. And by the way, Tommy has never won anything. When was the last time Clemson won their conference? Oh yeah, not since FSU joined it. You guys are still riding on your one National Title (which is one more than USC, I'll admit). By now you would think that you would realize that Clemson is very much like South Carolina. A second tier team in their conference. At least South Carolina's program may be heading in the right direction. You can do what all Clemson fans end up doing at the end of each season, talking about your one big win of the year and your near misses while you watch Florida State, Va Tech, and Miami contend for the ACC conference title.
Mooka said:
posted on January 13, 2007 11:38 AM — 138.163.0.37 — link — abuse?
Hey HoddyToddy,
I bet you don't get all excited when LSU goes there hunh? LOL> anyway, I don't think Tebow will be as bad as people think. When you look at the passes Leak made in the NC they were nothing but 10 yard out and ins. Tebow is very capable of that. That was just a classic display of a good coaching strategy and good decision making from Leak to just throw the ball away as soon as he got blitzed instead of trying to make something crazy happen. That was the most composed I've ever seen Leak. That's a key element in the QB position and I don't think Tebow has a problem in that department. FLA will be back next year.
posted on January 13, 2007 1:10 PM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?
Unless you guys know the ins and outs of every program you rank on here, who's leaving, who's coming in, and who's moving up the depth chart, you really have no business promulgating a 25 team list. Maybe a handful, or even less. It certainly won't stop you guys though...
Therefore, the only team I could have any certain knowledge of is my own Auburn Tigers, and I would probably rank them somewhere between 10th and 15th. They still have talent galore and a young team. Cox will be back at QB and we will have quite the competition at tailback with Brad Lester and Ben Tate.
With road games at LSU, Florida, Arkansas and Georgia (not really a road game for us) it's going to be a tough year, but probably an exciting one. War Eagle!
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 13, 2007 2:40 PM — 74.226.192.114 — link — abuse?
scfan1990:
you are wrong on sooooo many fronts, lets address them one by one shall we:1) My problem with south carolina is not that we lost to them and UK, becuse we still lead the all-time series over you guys by 34 games, i dont like south carolina becuse i was born and raised in the great state of south carolina in a family dedicated to clemson university and its in my BLOOD to hate the university of south carolina, so get that right.
2) 7-5 at south carolina gets you a raise for one reason, that is success, you USC fans base success not on 10 win seasons or 9 win seasons its 8 or 7 for you and thats why every single coach that comes through your doors gets a raise for going 7-5, so get over it.
3)You USC fans hang your hat on this one win over clemson, your first in 4 years, and you realize this is the ONLY top 25 team you beat all year, and i said it once ill say it again dont tell me oh we ALMOST beat auburn we ALMOST beat florida. GUESS WHAT?!?! ALMOST DON'T COUNT IN FOOTBALL!!!
4) Then you say clemson is loaded with talent but then you second guess yourself and say we are going down hill, which one is it? make up your damn mind!!!!
5) Now you also bring up the fact that we dont have an ACC title since 91, now for me, they have one a ACC Crown in my lifetime. But USC when was the last time they won a conference title? Lets think here buddy...oh thats right 1969!!! Your one and only Conference title, and it was in the ACC, now where is that conference title since you joined the SEC? Oh i forgot YOU DONT HAVE ONE!!!
6) And yeah we are still riding our national championship, let me fill you in scfan1990, since you dont seem to know what its like to win a national title: when you win a national title you are forever apart of college football history, just ask the miami's the OU's the Nebraskas, the Ohio States, the Floridas, now we might not have as many as them, but remember this, when you win a national title, its always there not going anywhere, and you brag and gloat about it all you want!!! so you can get past us hanging on to that, because we always will!!!
7) You are making a case here to say that your team is better then us and other teams, but you say and i quote:
"By now you would think that you would realize that Clemson is very much like South Carolina. A second tier team in their conference."
so in reality you just called your own team a second teir team, to me your not putting up that good of an arguement here, they have classes for that you know? its called debate, you should look into it.8) You say we watch FSU and VTECH and Miami contend for the ACC, now where would they have been at this year thats right, sitting at home watching the ACC title game like us (i admit), but clemson beat both teams that played in the ACC Championship game, and we beat fsu this year, and we were in the top 10 this year, unlike you guys who never got above 20.
9) You dont know me aparently, im not like you gamecock fans, and nor are many other tigers, we dont say "Wait till next year wait till next year" and "Well we ALMOST beat this team and that team" i am a big beliver that a loss is a loss, so you will NEVER hear me say how close we were to winning, ill be a man step up and say we lost, i admit it and ill take it, unlike you gamecock fans!!!
10) You said spurrier is paid less then bowden right? let me fill you in here,
1.75 million=steve spurrier's contract
1.1 million=tommy bowden's contract
now im not the smartest person who ever lived but last time i checked, correct me if im wrong ANYBODY, 1.75 million is a bit more then 1.1 million, so get that together!!!now come and talk to me when you get an SEC title and a National championship and win 34 more games in a row against us to tie us for the all time series!!!!
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on January 13, 2007 2:44 PM — 72.154.165.133 — link — abuse?
Lot of people still trashing Tebow now. How soon we forget! I remember in the month before hte NC game, all the pundits on TV saying there would be no "Tebow left" plays as OSU would not allow it, especially when they knew is was coming. We all know how that worked out!
Everyone should go check out the Florida high school passing records. Tebow broke most of the records and many of those have since been broken by Brantley who - you guessed it - is already enrolled at UF.
Hotty Toddy said:
posted on January 13, 2007 4:47 PM — 209.214.145.74 — link — abuse?
Ehh, well -- I dunno, honestly. I didn't see Tebow throw the ball that much this year from what Florida games I did watch. But i'd be pretty scared though if I saw a d-line'd sized QB coming at me. I'm gonna stick to my guns though and say that he'll get stuck -- and get stuck hard, in the upcoming SEC season.
LSU? Scared? Nah, not gonna be scared. I have much hate for LSU, and after the fight the Rebels put up this season AT Death Valley against them -- taking the lead 20-7 for most of the game, hanging the victory over their heads like meat over a Tiger's cage? Why should I be scared? That was with a mostly inexperienced team, 17 true freshmen, and a QB who had alot of trouble reading the offense. Now, put into perspective that the Ole Miss freshmen from this season will have more experience under their belt, and that Schaeffer will have a much better understanding of the offense? Mmm, I smell the era of the Rebel's domination of the Tigers a'comin' ..
Only thing I get kinda iffy-about when LSU comes to town, is the incredible tension in the air. Granted, there's alot of folk who welcome Tigers to come tailgating with us and everyone's friendly. But i've learned from personal experience that for every person like that, there's another person lookin' to start some stuff. Whether its a Rebel or a Tiger. I'm getting season tickets, so i'll definately be there anyway.
And let me correct myself.. I just now found out that Rory Johnson declared his going into the NFL draft. Don't know why I didn't find that out earlier. A bit premature I think, I don't think he's ready. He only played a year in junior college I think and only this one year at Ole Miss. Granted he's got the talented but I don't think he's ready.
frogfan 99 said:
posted on January 13, 2007 5:17 PM — 207.200.116.69 — link — abuse?
College football need to realize that there will never be a mid-major conference team that wins the National Championship game until after 2010 when Fox Network no longer has the rights to the BCS games. Yes it was incredable to watch Boise State beat Oklahoma, a game for the ages. But these schools do not generate enough money to make the network happy. In fact, ESPN is the only station to show the excitement these teams bring during bowl season.
After Boise States big game, you can bet that many more fans will be tuning in to all of the bowl games next season. There were just too many exciting games, TTU comeback, and TCU's shutdown of the nation's leading rusher, or BYU destroying a Pac-10 team. The mid-majors had a great showing, but you are the Rodney Dangerfield's of college football, you will never get any respect, especailly from the BCS.
Regan said:
posted on January 13, 2007 6:32 PM — 208.104.83.149 — link — abuse?
Ramblin' Gator (#173):
Incredibly short-term memory is a chronic problem with all of us College Football fans.
It is amazing just how quickly 80% of the voters now think Troy Smith isn't a great Quarterback...
Remember Vince Young? Wasn't it a few decades ago that he wore a Texas jersey and lit up the Rose Bowl?
LOL...time flies when you're having fun...
Eight sheer months of utter depression now ensues with only Fanblogs and taped games to keep me sane...
Tomcat said:
posted on January 13, 2007 7:05 PM — 70.245.204.255 — link — abuse?
Hey frogfan99 I really dont know about your anolagy of the different networks.TBS broadcasted a few games this year and I thought they did a great job.CSTV broadcast a lot of C-USA games and I like them too.
The last paragraph of your post#175 was right on.
The Boise St,BYU, TCU and Utah's never get any respect.
The plus one system{playoffs} or something should happen eventually.
#1 Boise St
#2 Florida
#3 LSU
#4 TCU
#5 BYU
#6 Texas
#7 Texas A&M
#8 Texas Tech
#9 Arkansas
#10 Oklahomascfan1990 said:
posted on January 13, 2007 8:49 PM — 70.34.163.120 — link — abuse?
clemson1981 you are the one missing the point. I never claimed superiority to Clemson in my posting. I was not making a case that our team is better than yours. Unlike you, I don't care to compare my school to yours. In the end, it doesn't matter. I would rather win the conference and lose to Clemson than the other way around. That said, this year your team forgot to show up when they played USC and KY. And they lost their division/conference as well.
My point is that you are bitter because you lost this year and it shows. And Tommy must be bitter as well for him to make those comments. I conceded you have had better talent. With the talent your team had this year, you should have won your conference. Especially in a year where the big names had an off year (i.e. FSU and Miami). If you're gong to hang your hat on victories over another second tier team (South Carolina) good for you. Congrats! You have beat a team that has consistently underperformed by a 34 game margin. What's your record over North Carolina? I bet that is pretty impressive as well. Way to go! Yeah, you beat FSU this year. Of course they went 6-6. Big deal! Since FSU joined your conference, they have only lost the title three times. Va Tech won the first year they entered the conference. You do the math. Some team other than Clemson has won the ACC every year since FSU joined the conference. Clemson is a second tier team now. Get a grip.
A few other points I guess you were trying to make... you can have talent and still be going down hill, chief. Second, I never mentioned any wins or losses in my post. So your comment that all you USC fans want to talk about almost beating Auburn, FL, Ak...whatever. That's not me guy. Third, USC had a nine win season with Holtz a few years ago when we beat Ohio State in the Outback Bowl for a second time. What was Clemson's record the last three years? Not much to brag about.
When I wrote that Bowden still makes more, that was in reference to base salary 273K (Bowden) vs. 257K (Spurrier). When you add up other bonuses it comes to 1.3Mil for Spurrier vs. 1.198Mil for Tommy. Spurrier can gain additional sums up to 700K with conference and bowl wins. Not sure where you got 1.7mil from?
It seems to me that as great as Clemson thinks they are, Bowden could have done more in his tenure. Maybe you should direct your anger and bitterness toward him. He is the one directing the talent.
You're did get one thing right in your reponse. I don't know you. I'm ok with that.clemson1981 said:
posted on January 13, 2007 11:21 PM — 74.226.192.114 — link — abuse?
scfan1990:
you continue to sound like dr. phil you know that right? "My point is that you are bitter because you lost this year and it shows." im not bitter over anything, im defending my team, when people say we are going down hill and will never beat USC ever again what in gods great green earth do you think im going to do? im going to stand up for my team, im bitter at SC b/c i was born that way, I HATE USC, its that easy even if we would have beat you guys i still would be this bitter, thats me, got a problem? oh well deal with it, everybody else on here does. you also seem to forget we beat GT this year 31-7 and they made a bowl, wake who went 11-2, fsu who might have gone 6-6 but they made a bowl, you beat one team that made a bowl, thats us, so look at stats, we beat 3 bowl teams, you beat one. also lets not forget you realize that when bama came calling to spurrier, what did USC do? they bumped his pay i got that from ESPN and its here take a look: (scroll down to the USC section) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Spurrier
i would also make the point that i know bowdens contract, i know how much he makes 1.1 million, im a tiger i would know bowdens contract, trust me buddy its 1.1 spurrier makes more then bowden go look at the "spurrier shuts bowden up" blog and in there it says spur is making more then bowden, so lets get that established. if clemson was a second teir team then we wouldnt have gotten to the top ten and gameday and all that media this year, how many second teir teams make that kind of noise not to many. now you may not understand something about this site or college football, the purpose is not to diss your team, you ralize that in this proccess of arguing with me you have made USC look foolish right? at least gamecock4life pushes how usc is a good team to him (nothin but respect 4 ya gamecock4life, one of few cocks ill say that too) so if your going to diss one team at least support yours in the argument. and i also dont understand how clemson is going down hill here? could you explain, because to me i think you got that from our finish this season, not our start and you forget the upcoming recruits we have coming in, so i dont know how you could really make that argument, we have finished 8-5 a good many times over the past couple of years, and you notice tommy is on the hot seat all the time he is the poster child of hot seat and what have you done for me latly coaches, so notice that 8-5 aint cuttin it much longer out here. im not going to direct my bitterness to bowden because he is our head coach for now and ill always support whoever my team hires, unlike yall "oh why brad scott?!?" so to clarify things im not bitter at the losses im bitter because of people like YOU that refuse to admit you cant make chicken salad out of chicken shit!!!Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 13, 2007 11:42 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
Well, I think I've forgotten to mention this fact.............. I would just like to let everyone in on a little secret....... Alabama is my 2nd favorite team. I've been a fan since the early 90's. I even had several Alabama jackets in Jr. High. Everyone thought I was nuts for wearing it.....but the fact is I've always been attracted to their style of play for some reason? Roll Tide! Lets Goooooooooo Mountaineers!!!!
frogfan 99 said:
posted on January 14, 2007 1:16 AM — 207.200.116.69 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, during the season, I would often have 2 or 3 tvs going. Unlike the people I work with, I would rather watch college football than pro football. It is just too damn exciting (Boise St vs Oklahoma) So I would watch TBS, VS, ESPN, and any other channel I could find showing games. But when it came time for bowl season, my tvs never left espn and espn 2. But the BCS games are all televised by FOX. And they control the revenue payments to the programs. And they are only going to allow one mid major conference to get any of this money, because they have to keep paying the big programs.
Hotty Toddy said:
posted on January 14, 2007 2:39 AM — 209.214.145.74 — link — abuse?
clemson1981,
I don't understand why you're dogging South Carolina as much as you are. Like its been mentioned before -- getting through the SEC is a bitch, and South Carolina did extremely well with what they had. Taking teams to the wire in the SEC is to be expected, in the end it just comes to who wants it more. From what i've seen, and I haven't really being paying -that- much attention to the Gamecocks, but i've only seen them improve ever since Spurrier got there.
Obviously your Clemson team didn't want it more this season, either, it was Kentucky who proved that. Who also, if my memory serves correct, did just about as good as the Gamecocks did.
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 14, 2007 10:59 AM — 74.226.192.114 — link — abuse?
Hotty Totty:
i have never said the SEC is a weak conference, im not stupid i know the SEC is the best conference in college football, and if anybody thinks other wise they could qualiify under the catigorization of stupid. im a clemson fan, clemson fan + south carolina fan= bad chemistry (with the exception of family and friends and even then on saturdays bloods not to thick) now spurrier had been at USC for 2 years, i think and i know he is a GREAT coach, but 2 years is not long enough to prove to me that the program is moving in the right direction, now throw stats at me tell me they ALMOST beat this and that team, I DO NOT CARE, now if spurrier goes
9-3 or 8-4 the next two years i can start to understand but USC only beat one top 25 team this year, to me thats not progress to me, if the shamecocks want to compete in the SEC EAST they will have to do better then 8-5 overall, thats all im saying here, when was the last time any of us on here saw and 7-5 team at the end of the Regular Season go to the SEC title game? not recently, and UGA will be way better next year, UT is rebuliding and it looks like its ging good, UF well there UF, they are the national champs, now ill tell everybody on here right now and quote me on this, if carolina beats UGA, UT, and UF all in the same season next year, i will admit i was totaly wrong about carolina, i will give them there praise because it would be well deserved, but now that rice is gone you have to run the football with boyd and davis in the SEC who is known for its monster rushing d, so when carolina runs with the big dogs in the conference ill admit they are doing well, till then i will not be convinced of it.CW said:
posted on January 14, 2007 1:42 PM — 66.226.47.243 — link — abuse?
Clemson 1981,
I agree somewhat with you… as I stated to Tommy Trojan whom ranked the Gamecocks #2 right behind the Gators. I still have reservations not towards Spurrier but to his ability to make USC think his way! If he can... and is allowed to recruit his way w/o exceptions??? Then, USC will be a rival for any in the SEC. Yes the SEC is by far the talent of the NCAA and since 1982 the NFL. However, I'm not ready as tommy trojan mentioned to place USC Gamecocks as # 2. I am curious as to how Clemson will change so it can become the ACC champ that it used to be?? And, do you think WFU can repeat as ACC champs?? You beat them last season.
cardman steve said:
posted on January 14, 2007 1:57 PM — 74.131.211.89 — link — abuse?
i agree,that a playoff should happen. if not,atleast do the 32 bowl games by rankings. drop confrencence tie ends,make everyone bcs and add a fans poll to count towards bowl matches,weekly rankings and who will be be bcs bound. i am somewhat laid back on my cards this coming year. i see the top 25,but not like we had in 2006,however a good year. i don,t know if our qb is going pro,but coach k making his brother no.1 assitant can,t hurt. i hope not too many comits waver and i hope some tulsa guys waver towards the cards. the fellow talking about nd is sure right. it,s all about money. we will never have a true nat,l champ as long as you have big 10 and the sec hording everything in the preseason polls. i don,t get into that toughest confrenece stuff. you take away the top on every confrenece and you have fair to poor ballclubs.
Hotty Toddy said:
posted on January 14, 2007 2:29 PM — 216.77.193.134 — link — abuse?
Thats fine, bro. I understand the rivalries. I hate LSU and MSU, but i'm not gonna deny LSU's talent and program. I dunno, its just my opinion -- and I don't really have anything to say about South Carolina, but if you can't see that they're steadily improving, then somethings wrong.
As far as stats go, for proof? Well, yeah, thats true to a degree, i've always thought. To a certain extent, always. I've always noticed how harder it was to put up stats when its the SEC vs. the SEC.
In other words, if I was Troy Smith, I could pass for as many yards as he did too, if I played teams like Minnesota, Illinois, etc.
Don't get me wrong, the Big 10 (11) has its teams. But they're not good, even mediocre, top to bottom. My point being, I don't think you're gonna have to look at stats for your proof of an improving program when it comes to an SEC team. Infact, ANY SEC team. Granted, we have our days. But the competition is too stiff. Once again, this is my personal opinion.
Bring Brady Back MgoBlue said:
posted on January 14, 2007 4:17 PM — 216.46.211.218 — link — abuse?
CFB GUY, Here's all of the Michigan vs. State Penn games -
2006 - Michigan W 17-10
2005 - Michigan W 27-25
2004 - DNP
2003 - DNP
2002 - Michigan W 27-24
2001 - Michigan W 20-0 (AT PENN STATE)
2000 - Michigan W 33-11
1999 - Michigan W 31-27
1998 - Michigan W 27-0 (AT MICHIGAN)
1997 - Michigan W 34-8
1996 - state penn W 29-17
1995 - state penn W 27-17
1994 - state penn W 31-24
1993 - Michigan W 21-13Michigan leads the series 9-3 and has won the last eight, so don't expect that to change any time soon.
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 14, 2007 4:39 PM — 74.226.192.114 — link — abuse?
CW post 185:
i could not agree more myslef extreamly well put!!! you have a point also, now concerning wake forest, they one with no big stars riley skinner is returning, they will have a great recruiting class this off season, wake is hear to stay at the top of the ACC, as far as my beloved tigers, thsi upcoming year we will have a either a red shirt freshman or a true freshman starting at QB we will NOT be too good, i think another 8 win season is obvious (you could make the arguement for 7) but the 08-09 season will be fun to watch the tigers play ball.Hotty Toddy:
good point, but there have been three teams in the SEC over the years that have finished towards the bottom, Vandy, UK, and USC, now i know UK beat us, but they have there years they are one of those programs that gets a good QB then has a good year or 2 then goes back to losing, thats the way it was when guy morris was there with jared lorenzen, and then brooks came got a QB and is winning so UK cant really make a compelling argument. now people can say USC is improving all they want, the same things were said when lou "spit on everybody" holtz got there and after his two straight 9 win seasons people thought "my god hes done the impossible!!" people were driving around columbia with bumper stickers saying "halleLOUjah" and i heard it from all my USC family and friends and in holtz 2 and 3 year he had more wins then spurrier does now (not by much but still) and then in Lous 4th year 5-7 next year 5-7 so i NEED to see spurrier get 8 or 9 wins the next two years to be put in my place till then im not convinced, theres a phrase up here in tiger town we have long said, "You cant make chicken salad out of chicken shit"Rebel Chuck said:
posted on January 14, 2007 5:32 PM — 143.112.144.129 — link — abuse?
Everyone will forget about Florida once they get an early loss at Ole Miss Sept.22. The Rebels have a great history of beating the Gators when we're not supposed to. i know they weren't excited to see us back on their schedule! OLE MISS is only two years away from an SEC championship (2008) so everyone enjoy yourselves until then. My 2007 prediction is 9-3 w/ victories over.... Well nevermind, whenever i look at an OLE MISS schedule I always see 12-0 so i'll just wait and see. i know we won't be undefeated in the SEC but it could be close. The LSU game in Oxford could be for the SEC WEST championship like 2003. ALABAMA is going to take some time and ARKANSAS was nothing but lucky and AUBURN's time is running out. MISSISSIPPI STATE will suck again.
Hotty Toddy said:
posted on January 14, 2007 6:55 PM — 209.214.145.87 — link — abuse?
clemson1981,
Alright bro, I guess there's just no convincing a die hard fan in a heated rivalry like that, no prob. I understand. We'll just see what happens in the upcoming season with the Gamecocks. :)
Rebel Chuck,Here's hoping for the best, eh?
True, Florida has struggled with Ole Miss. We hold a mild victory streak over them right now. I remember walking into the Rebel Rags store in Oxford and finding a picture that shows a Rebel defender knocking the ball away from a Gator receiver -- with the bottom saying "Grounded in Gainesville"
I still remember the headlines of the newspaper. "Gators slam into Rebel wall."
Here's waiting, yes, waiting for a repeat!
winningest team ever said:
posted on January 14, 2007 7:39 PM — 72.35.49.245 — link — abuse?
Michigan will run the table, win the national title, and add to their already record number of wins in college football. nobody will ever catch us.
Oh by the way, i'm nominating penn state to go play in the sec, seems to me that's where all the overrated teams playGO BLUE
Bbedlion said:
posted on January 14, 2007 7:51 PM — 72.35.149.155 — link — abuse?
no one gives credit where it is deserved.
1.USC- cali
2.Florida
3.michigan
4.wisconsin
5.Ark.
6.Texas
7.Ohio State
8.Lsu
9.Auburn
10.Nebraska
11.Oregon state
12.Boise state
13.Rutgers
14.Cal
15.byu
16.Clemson
17.Tenn.
18.Arzona
19.VT
20.TCU
21.wake forest
22.oklahoma
23.Stanford...just kidding- Alabama
24.georgia
25.UCLAking said:
posted on January 15, 2007 10:37 AM — 66.83.135.82 — link — abuse?
I think you shouldve spent a little more time not forgetting a couple teams. first of all, florida wont be number one and no SEC team almost ever will because it's such a hard conference. To win every game, you have to survive against many good teams. Florida wouldnt even be at the national champion ship this year if it werent for their "lucky" win against south carolina winning by one point with the 3 blocked field goals with a guy that shouldve been suspended anyways.
you also forgot about louisville. i predict a top 10 season for them.
boise st, i predict wont finish top 25 because their team was a fluke this year and got lucky and really i dont think was that great. they had more motivation in the one game they actually had to play against oklahoma which i think pulled the game off for them. they never really played any other hard teams.
Paul said:
posted on January 15, 2007 12:44 PM — 207.255.83.138 — link — abuse?
Remind me again how well Michigan has done in their bowl games??? Seems to me that Michigan is the overrated team. At least Penn State wins their bowl games. JoPA 22-10 bowl record. Carr more than likely won't make it past next year when Michigan gets beat yet again by Ohio State. Michigan Refereens will more than likely win against PSU simply because the refs will make sure of it yet again.
PopsMich said:
posted on January 15, 2007 2:45 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Paul, preparing yourself for another loss to Michigan? You have at least 8 months to practice and formulate excuses.
You can forget any help from the Refs, and it won't help PSU anyway. Michigan is going to romp through the Big 10 this year, including your visit to the Big House for yet another defeat.
As for Bowl games, the problem will be corrected when Michigan faces a team from the SEC. Unlike OSU's 1-8 record in the last 20 years, UM has a winning record against the mighty SEC (7-3 or something like that).
It's all about Fall '07 now......
violiner1 said:
posted on January 15, 2007 4:12 PM — 74.241.21.119 — link — abuse?
Bbedlion, yet another Top 25 without Louisville. Incredible. This morning Brohm, a possible projected #1 pick as QB, decide to stay at U of L. Only a few players are leaving, a good class is coming in - the only toss-up game should be West Virginia. Brohm didn't come back for a 3 loss season - he came back because he knows they have the talent, system and confidence to go 11- or 12-0 and make the final BCS game. I love the SEC and respect the Big Ten but blinders are on so many of you folks....
Paul said:
posted on January 15, 2007 4:16 PM — 207.255.83.138 — link — abuse?
Well Pops I seriously doubt that you will whip PSU. Against this team Mich. has only beat PSU by 3 points (mystery catch), 2 points (mystery 2seconds), 7 points (cheap shot on our QB without a call). So yeah the refs will do it again I am sure. Why is it that Mich. and OSU do not want PSU in the Big 10?? Oh yeah they do not like having another team to worry about year in and year out. Guess Mich. and OSU like being able to only play one tough team each year and that is each other. Well the rest of the Big 10 want us there so deal with it. Don't worry the Referins will always have the refs helping them out against PSU. Too bad you can't take the Big 10 officials with you in bowl games.
Hotty Toddy said:
posted on January 15, 2007 5:13 PM — 65.7.1.198 — link — abuse?
poz4ua,
Give it a rest. Actually, no -- go ahead and flap your mouth. I'll let the Ole Miss wins in the upcoming season shut you and the rest of the doubters up. Ole Miss is hungry to contend in the SEC, and now we've finally got the talent to do it with. SEC West? Here we come.
2008 - SEC Title? Here we come.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 15, 2007 6:58 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
Well, we've just about lost all of our Coaching Staff up to this point. If Rod would've gone...... our program would have been in shambles. So I can't even give a decent prediction of how our Team will perform in 07'. Lets Goooooooooooo Mountaineers!!! Lets Gooooooooooo Mountaineers!!!
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 15, 2007 11:27 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
Hello!!!! Anyone out there........... can anyone tell me about this Ron West character? Word is that he may be replacing Trickett? I read a little about his job at Clemson, you know the one about him coaching the smallest line in the nation and doing good? But, I was wondering if someone more educated on Ron West could fill me in? (Usually people are jumpin all over comments I make.... jeez)
texasaggie10 said:
posted on January 15, 2007 11:36 PM — 128.194.70.120 — link — abuse?
One thing I don't like about the original 25 was no mention of A&M. I didn't read all the posts because there are just too many to read. We were only 6 points away from being undefeated total in our 3 loses, 2 were lucky last minute touchdown catches on a freshman, so don't expect that next year. The bowl game I don't knwo what happened, we just didn't come out in the second half like we normally do, holding a team to at least a touchdown the whole second half during the season. Texas is the big thing that bothers me. I doubt they will be in the top 10, maybe top 25, becuase as the Kansas State game and the game were we beat the hell outa tu, that if you get to mccoy and get a hard hit on him, he's out. With them needing to replace OL, he's screwed. USC, they seem to live off of teams from the past, barely beating teams that, if they were the great team thought off, should have easily won, other than of course against UCLA, woot! OU on the other hand has a ok team, its their coaches that win them the games, and are the main part of the team. Long enough for now, right more later if I have to.
Travis Odom said:
posted on January 16, 2007 12:15 AM — 75.83.235.60 — link — abuse?
Thank you for not putting Boise State on this list. They beat a rather weak Oklahoma team and played only 5 or 6 teams with winning records. The fact that some people actualy believe they should have had a title shot is rediculous. USC will be #1 at the end of the year and will have it's 3rd national title in 5 years. Straight up
Marapito said:
posted on January 16, 2007 12:52 PM — 71.64.109.146 — link — abuse?
Uhm, Ohio State is losing almost all of their offense. Smith, Ginn, Gonzo, Pittman, etc. Who is going to be the QB next year? Wells will be a good RB, but man is the offense going to be hurting. OUCH!!! I say we will be lucky to be a top 20 team.
Mooka said:
posted on January 16, 2007 1:31 PM — 138.163.0.37 — link — abuse?
Poor Ole Miss. You can see their fans are real excited about next season. I guess it's about time, since they've been up against the ropes for the past decade. I must say it's been quite a relief to not have to worry about one more good team in the West. We'll see if their fans are still pumped up after the start.
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 16, 2007 2:19 PM — 74.242.87.164 — link — abuse?
Diggs the Mountie:
take it from a clemson fan:
he coached linebackers this past year, hes a good guy made things happen with our linebackers, considering all teh injuries we had we still did alright, he has a history with the o-line but nothing to brag about, hes a good guy, not a good hire but a good guy, maybe he will suprise me up there.Hotty Toddy said:
posted on January 16, 2007 9:52 PM — 65.7.1.97 — link — abuse?
Mooka,
In the SEC you got two kinds of teams. The big dogs or the puppies. However, any team in the SEC I believe can hang with ANY other team in the nation. Granted, they also have the chance to be stomped by any other team. Also, the "puppies" can also rise up anytime and bite the big dogs. Upsets aren't uncommon in the SEC, as you would know :)
Historically the "puppies" have always been able to stand up and become a big dog. And the big dogs can always be smacked back down in to a puppy. Its all momentum and who wants it more, I always say.
Ole Miss used to be a big dog, and here lately we've turned into a little mutt. We're hoping to rise up and take down them big dogs, y'know what I mean? Look out Florida.
Rebel Chuck said:
posted on January 17, 2007 3:42 AM — 143.112.144.129 — link — abuse?
MOOKA POST 216
I wouldn't really say poor Ole Miss. We've been to 31 bowl games. 5 of those are within the last decade which was hard since we were "on the ropes"like you said and don't forget 6 SEC championships and 3 National Championships. So you can throw your "poor Ole Miss" garbage at someone else because we have a great football tradition at Ole Miss but only a seriuos college football fan would be aware of that, so it's not your fault.fsu.fan said:
posted on January 17, 2007 12:20 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
I keep seeing everyone say "watch out for uga." Are you kidding me? I'll be impressed with UGA once they learn to beat the gators. What's the record now uga? 16 losses to the gators in the past 17 years? That's pathetic. Beat the best than talk to me about being the best.
fsu.fan said:
posted on January 17, 2007 12:38 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
This debate is all pointless. Winning the national title in college football doesnt mean crap - no matter who wins it.
The only time it will ever mean anything is with a playoff system of some kind.
Look at USC (proclaimed as one of the greatest teams of our time). This point is not to down play the success of USC or knock them, I think they have an outstanding program and coach - this is merely to make a point.
When USC won their first "national title" they didnt even play in the BCS championship game! LSU won the actual championship (no one seems to remember poor LSU) but voters "shared" it with USC (maybe it's me but, I thought the BCS was supposed to give us one clear "champ")
When USC won their second "title" Auburn ran the table in the toughest conference in America and they didnt even get a shot at the title title. Hey, it would be a crime to share that title though wouldnt it?
Finally: only two undefeated teams remained in 2005. The mighty two time defending "champion" with TWO heisman winners on offense vs the longhorns. I think we all know what happened there.
No disrespect USC - your success winning games and putting players into the NFL has been unequaled but... National titles mean nothing in college football (just ask Boise State this year).
BRING ON A PLAYOFF!!!
Shawn said:
posted on January 17, 2007 4:27 PM — 207.233.88.246 — link — abuse?
Why is there so much talk about all these SEC schools? LSU is the most talented team in the SEC! From a Michigan fan, here is my top 10.
1) Florida ( defending champs )
2) USC ( Talent, talent, talent)
3) LSU ( Best in SEC)
4) Auburn ( SEC is good)
5) Michigan ( eventually they will stop choking)
6)Louisville ( Brohm is back)
7) WV ( Offense good...D is offensive)
8) Texas ( Colt McCoy, Sweed, etc..)
9)Boise State ( till someone beats 'em)
10) Oklahoma ( I hate 'em, but it is OU)Mooka said:
posted on January 17, 2007 5:09 PM — 138.163.0.38 — link — abuse?
Hotty Toddy,
I agree. It's inevitable that Ole Miss will one day be back. I don't know if it will be next year or not though. One thing I'm sure you can agree with is it's been quite awhile since they've been competing, unlike alot of the other bounce back teams in SEC.
Rebel Chuck,Get over your 5 bowl games. Kentucky made a bowl last year. Whoot-te-doo.
texasaggie10 said:
posted on January 17, 2007 6:16 PM — 128.194.70.120 — link — abuse?
Sadly enough a playoff system will most likely never happen. I'm sure they get alot more money doing the BCS then they would a playoff system, and thats all they care about. They don't care about getting a "true champion."
Hotty Toddy said:
posted on January 17, 2007 8:01 PM — 209.214.151.25 — link — abuse?
Mooka,
Nah, I don't expect us to have a really out-standing upcoming season. I expect for us, though, to pull some upsets. We'll be lucky this upcoming season if we can pull a schedule through identical to the Gamecock's '06 season. But I always hope for better.
And from there? Its only gonna get better. Coach O is in the process of assembling a frickin' army of talent. I don't see him going anywhere for a while.
Tomcat said:
posted on January 17, 2007 8:16 PM — 69.150.50.55 — link — abuse?
#182 frogfan We are in agreement that CFB is alot more fun than the millionaire premadonna league, However I must admit as a kid we loved watching the Oilers & Cowboys.Now I enjoy watching the Titans.The game moves to slow with too many interuptions and flags.
As far as the networks, ABC/espn has way too much crap, that we don't care about.For example interupting the UT vs A&M game interveiwing other coaches,not even disscussing the game they are broadcasting. For years I would tune in to Austin radio and turn down the sound on the T.V.
#224 texasaggie 10 I agree that yall have a great team.A&M has a strong line on both sides of the ball, a pair of great running backs, and a tough quarterback. This team would probably be undefeated with a different coaching staff.
Hookem-Horns Go Frogs GiGem Aggies
P.S. My pre season poll was a joke just like all the rest TomcatBill said:
posted on January 17, 2007 8:18 PM — 216.119.185.21 — link — abuse?
I see St. Nick (Saban) bringing the Tide back to prominence, but it will take a few 8-9-10 win seasons before the Tide is a consistent BCS contender. I hope Tide fans are thinking about being #1 next year. Just be happy with a season better than 7-6. Afterall the toughest part of the Tides schedule is played at the Capstone in 2007. LSU, Florida, Tennessee, Arkansas.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 17, 2007 8:35 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
fsu.fan:
You know what would really be a shame? After you people all get your needed playoff, Southern Cal will be able to go (8-4) and (5-3) in the Pac 10, and still win National Championships. What would you think of a playoff system when something like that starts happening? Happens all the time in the NCAA Tournament. I've seen teams lose nine or eleven times and win the Championship. Do you really want for (7-5) teams to have a shot at the Title? How bout (9-3)? Where do you draw the line? How bout one loss max? Isn't that where we already are at? Doesn't the regular season mean anything? How much incentive will there be to win every game once we go to this playoff format? Do you think any team would go unbeaten then? What would be the incentive? Lot's of questions to answer.
BTW, we have playoffs in the NFL. It proves nothing really. Teams coast all year and then start maybe playing during the playoffs. How bout the Steelers? SuperBowl Champs to 6-8 in one season. How bout the Chargers losing again? How bout all of the lousy NFL games where teams just do not show up to play at all during the regular season? Do you want for college football to suffer from what the NFL suffers from? Oh, I'm sure that the amount of money paid to certain players, plays a huge part in NFL teams not giving 100%. But, I sure would hate to see that kinda mindset permeate college football. I think that every gane should matter.Tommie T
fsu.fan said:
posted on January 17, 2007 9:01 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
Tommie you're WAY off. First, dont compare the NFL to college - it's completely different. You cant compare what happened to the Steelers to anything in college. The NFL is a completely different animals, different factors. Like free agency, trades, ect ect. Secondly, thinking an 8-4 or 7-5 team will make a college football playoff is insane. It could only be a 12 team playoff system. It's impossible to have a basketball size format. A team can easily play 2-3 basketball games a week during a tournament, only one football game a week. With a 12 team playoff I'd suggest the major conference champions to get an automatic bid (acc, big 10, big 12, pac 10, big east, pac 10). That's half the field accounted for. The other 6 slots will be filled by the remaining 6 best teams in the county. How that's decided can be done various ways. A committee could vote on the remaining 6 (like the ncaa basketball trny does) or use one of the polls to decide. It would not be difficult to do and there's not many question needing answers. Every game of the season would matter all the same, maybe more - to become a true champion. Every team would see me striving to win their conference to get an automatic bid into the playoffs - plus perform well to grab one of the other 6 spots. Teams would be seeded based on record so, teams would want to try and go undefeated to get a bye and play the lower seed. There is NOTHING wrong with a playoff system in college football. So good luck going 8-4 and still winning national titles. A 12 team playoff system would have undefeated teams, one, and two loss teams. Now thats the perfect system. Maybe my kids will get to see it one day - 50 years down the road.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 17, 2007 10:47 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
FSU FAN:
A twelve team field? Why not sixteen? Well, how many teams do you think have two or three losses? More than sixteen. Where do you draw the line? USC, LSU, Notre Dame, West Virginia, Auburn, Oklahoma, TCU, BYU, Rutgers all had two losses at the end of the season (that I can recall - I know there are more). How bout three loss California, Hawaii, Arkansas, Texas, Texas A&M and Tennessee? I think you could go way over sixteen deserving teams. Hell, every team in the Top 32 is a good team. Again, where do you draw the line? You'll still have the same controversy that you have now. What if this years two loss USC and LSU teams were somehow left out? What about three loss Cal? Those were three of the most impressive of the Top Four teams at Bowl time - along with BYU and Hawaii I might add. Where do you draw the line? It's not a cookie cutter world. Great teams sometimes lose one extra game more than they should have. It happens every single year. You'll have all the same problems, with more teams bitchin', than you have now - that's for sure.
Tommie T
texasaggie10 said:
posted on January 18, 2007 12:29 AM — 128.194.70.120 — link — abuse?
THere are many questions to answer about a playoff system, but thats were voting comings in play from the schools, and look, even though much smaller the NFL was able to get one going. Look at the NBA though, the East division sucks right now and did a lot more a while back, and many teams in the West have better records then many of the top teams in the East, there are always problems with having the playoff. THe only thing is it is bad to have a conference champion automatic bid because look at the Big 12 this year. The north like usual wasn't very strong but they got a team to play for the coference championship, if there was no north and south it would have been OU and Texas. But because we beat Texas it pushed them out of there position to play in it, and put a weaker OU team to win it.(Even being an Aggie, I do believe Texas was better than OU). All we need is a passing game and we would have a good team, but that is one of the reasons why Cal beat us because they knew we were going to run most of the time. Another thing I would like to add is about Notre Dame. If anything should change it should be them. Just because they through a lot of money at things, they were able to be an independant and automatically get a bowl game, even if they had no wins. And then they go and reject a bowl bid just because they don't think its a good enough bowl game for them, stuck up brats, they probably not even good enough for the bowl game that they were given. They need to get into a conference, period. Army and Navy I can give them a break since they are ending up being in the military afterwards and serving our country, so props to them they can be independents, their schools are about the military aspects more.
wdupyall said:
posted on January 18, 2007 7:35 AM — 69.92.144.209 — link — abuse?
Oklahoma is gonna beat Florida in the national title game next season...OU has tons of weapons all over the field...Sam Bradford will be able to give the Sooners the much needed deep ball to take the heat off of their running game. 4 starting Olinemen return + the addtion of Phil Loadholt a 6'9 360 lb juco all american. Alan Patrick, Chris Brown, Demarco Murray, and Mossis Madu are the new 4 horsemen.
fsu.fan said:
posted on January 18, 2007 10:21 AM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
No system is perfect tommie. Anyone looking for a perfect system is out of luck. A 16 team playoff is also an option - but you were the one worried about 8-4 teams competing for the national title, so a smaller field might be better. Anyway, with a playoff system (12, 16, whatever it may be) at least teams will be able to settle it on the field. Teams shouldnt be able to complain too much for not getting in - just win so there's no question you get in or not. The phrase "just win so there's no question" clearly does not work in the current BCS system. Look at Boise State, look at Auburn a couple years ago, both undefeated and never had a chance. How can you go undefeated in the hardest conference in the country (SEC) and not even get a CHANCE? Honestly, what more could that team and those kids do? They bust their ass all year, mini camps, training camps, summer work outs, then they put it all on the field - went undefeated and a dream of a "national title" never had a chance of coming true. The system now is a joke.
With a 12 team system (if you have 6 automatic bids from conference champs) the other 6 teams could be voted (like an at large BCS bid) on. They could be voted by the coaches poll, AP poll, by a committee, there's many options. The 6 at large births would be filled by the best teams (with the best records) if there's multi teams with one or two losses trying to fill 6 slots than I'm sure strength of schedule will come into play with the voting. At least an undefeated Auburn or Boise State will have a CHANCE. The system now is a joke and it's appalling. Twelve teams should get the chance to settle it on the field.
Plus texas #233. Mentioning the NBA's playoff format is completely irrelevant. Yes, in the NBA teams in the East with a worse record than teams in the West make it and better teams in the West get left off. That means nothing in this system though. College football is not divided into two conferences. The 6 conference champs plus the 6 top remaining teams will be in the playoffs - just the top 12 teams. If you took the top teams in the NBA (regardless of conference) and put them in the playoffs then thats more comparable to a college football system. Also, we can't help how the Big 12 is aligned - so we cant help what crappy team plays OU for the title. That's something your conference would have to change. Regardless, if the crappy team beats OU, guess what - they are the conference champions and go to a BCS bowl in the system we have now. So it's simple: if you want in the playoffs win your conference - if you're the long horns dont lose to teams you should beat.
Let them settle it on the field and not with wishful thinking.
gatorstud said:
posted on January 18, 2007 10:30 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
hey wdupyall..#234....isn't that what they said about ohio state.....i remember once upon a time when people were so certain ohio state would wax florida, could someone remind me what happened when they played..oh yeah that's right...florida waxed them...caldwell has decided to stay...that gives tebow a good reciever coming back to tandem with harvin....florida might be a little weak at rb, but that should be ok...and on defense, well let's just say that charlie strong (def. cord.) has done wonders at florida..and will continue....defense has never been a problem at florida since the early nineties....i am confident that my gator will compete for the sec crown as well as be in the nat. title race....should they be ranked no. 1 going into next seaseon?...hhhmmmm.....i think there are teams that might be better, but watch out......this could be an interesting year.......
..........FEAR THE GATOR.....HarvinforHeisman07 said:
posted on January 18, 2007 12:18 PM — 72.158.254.34 — link — abuse?
Agreeing with an FSU fan - a first for me.
Tommie - you are so off base here. If a team loses three games in the most competitive confence in the nation and still wins their conference then of course they should get a shot. The fact that they don't is the travesty of college football. The NCAA determines what constitutes a D1 school. If Boise and Utah aren't allowed to play in D1aa and win a championship and not allowed to win one in D1 - what is the point of having a champion that is recognized by the NCAA?
I think you have said in posts before that you liked the old system. As much as I hated that - you are right when compared to the BCS. But you also have to forget about anyone's claim to the national championship. Let USC WIN the Rose Bowl and if the AP or USA Today or Jeff Sagarin wants to vote and AWARD them a national champion then good for them - who care other than their alumni and fans?
Actually, one of the biggest jokes is USC's claim to the title a couple year's ago when LSU got the BCS title. What a joke that people were talking about a three-peat last year.
The National Championship is a joke and anyone that doesn't think so doesn't have a clue. I love the fact that the Gators got chance to show how good they had gotten by playing so many tough games all year. But they earned the SEC Championship and were awarded the National Championship - there's a big difference!!!
texasaggie10 said:
posted on January 18, 2007 1:03 PM — 128.194.70.120 — link — abuse?
fsu.fan I brought up the NBA to prove a point, I know there is a huge difference between NBA and football. All I was trying to say is that all the systems are not always fair or equal, but thats life for you. And about the only difference for the two would be that NBA has multiple games for the series, while football you are there that day or you are gone. The problem with the your 6 conference winners to get a automatic bid into the playoff seeding doesn't work because there are 11 conferences.(ACC, Big 12, Big East, Big 10, Confernce USA, Mid-American, MOuntain West, PAC 10, SEC, Sun Belt, and WAC)You can't just throw out the smaller less known conferences just because poeple act to them like a unwanted step child. If you want it to be equal like you talk about, you have to give all the confernce winners a automatic seed. Then you also have to deal with the independant schools, you can't just give them all a buy in, but they aren't in a conference so what do you do with them. Since there are so many conferences and money is of course one of the main concerns of the higher up poeple, they won't get rid of bowl games because of how much more money you can make off of them, considering how many there are, and it would be a huge amount of teams allowed into a playoff system if you wanted to equal the games/money made from the now bowl games. Sadly enough the BCS is the best bet for college football, to start up a playoff system would probably require changing up the conferences total, getting there to be two different divisions, and a bunch of other crap that I'm sure the higher up people don't want to deal with, because they are happy with the money that bowl games make for them. Plus, the upside to the bowl games are that smaller teams can get acknowlegment being able to play in them and helps get the schools money, before this season I'm sure there were a bit of people that only knew Boise St. as the team with the blue field and that is it. With all the bowl games at different stadiums, and some a college arenas, it helps profit the schools, were the money should be heading back to.
J Boe said:
posted on January 18, 2007 5:04 PM — 209.192.119.136 — link — abuse?
#238 texasaggie10,
I'm pretty sure you were making a good point, but I got a headache before I finished reading your post. Have you ever heard of a run-on sentence? You can definitely ramble-on with the best of them. I do agree with what I did read though.ksuwild said:
posted on January 18, 2007 5:57 PM — 71.237.67.235 — link — abuse?
texasaggie10
All conferences are not created equal. They also fluctuate year from year in their strength.
One thing is for sure.......the winners of the tougher conferences should be rewarded for running through the gauntlet winning their conference and the teams from "non-major" conferences who prove they can play with the big boys(Boise St.)should be given their chance.
The only system I can think of that would effectively be able to do that is a Playoff that power ranks conferences and gives automatic bids to the winners of the toughest conferences.
One way to power rank the conferences would be by adding the ranks of all the teams within each conference and totaling the points.
Another would be to assign point totals for different rankings. Example:
5 points if you are ranked 1-5
4 points if you are ranked 6-10
3 points if you are ranked 11-15
2 points if you are ranked 16-25
1 points if you are ranked 26-40
Or something to that effect.Regardless of how you did it Conferences like the SEC who have multiple teams ranked near the top would obviously have a highest conference power ranks.
Have a 16 team playoff and give the top 8 power ranked conference winners automatic bids. The 8 remaining slots would go to the next 8 highest BCS ranked teams. The system would be completely fair because it wouldn't "pre-select" conferences that are "worthy" because of their past like the BCS does. It would be based off of the play THAT YEAR & THAT YEAR ONLY. Each year conferences' power rankings would fluctuate depending on the strength of the teams in that particular conference. That would effectively reward the teams who play in tougher conferences and not exclude the best teams who do not play in the major conferences.
The truth is that there are many forms of a playoff that would work better than the current system. The bowl system could still stay completely intact, alive, and healthy.
How many bowl eligible teams are there every year? How many bowls are there now? The answer to both questions is - PLENTY.
A playoff is not about ending tradition.......it's about settling who the best of the best is on the field.
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 18, 2007 6:46 PM — 74.242.87.164 — link — abuse?
WOOK:
im not sure if that was directed at me or someone else i guess me, understand this i know we lost the whole o-line pretty much but we have some jr's returning, we have a great RB duo that can do well with the offense, and above all else the secondary, now i know we lost some guys but we have a young secondary who will improve during training this offseason, like crezdon butler who is going to be the greatest cb ever to come to clemson, byron maxwell, chris chancellor who is highly agressive and will swarm to the ball when he sees it, and not to mention he can be moved to just about anywhere in the secondary, then marcus gilcrest a freshman i admit will come in and he is the #6 CB in the nation and #62 player overall in the nation out of high school, now it might be young but if they put there heads in the game we will be fine. then the debate of QB, ill admit i dont want cullen harper or trebble resse in there, and i dont want will korn in there....yet. i want michael wade, who came out of riverside high right here in SC, now hes a good young player who took notes this year and he will be good, now korn, he will be good in the future, and the match ups that USC vs. CLEMSON will provide in a year or so, Garcia vs. Korn USC vs. CLEMSON in two years that will be one helluva QB match up, and i dont think any USC or CLEMSON fan could doubt that. now im not sayin clemson will win the national title this year, i never said that what so ever, but we are young and i think for as young as we are, we will do well thats all im saying, so just chill. and whos your team by the way? just wondering.NCAAF4LIFE said:
posted on January 18, 2007 6:50 PM — 69.130.6.75 — link — abuse?
For one thing is the noles are now stacked with coaches,and im tired of not seeing them in top 10.Florida...wont be in top 15 by end of season for sure and shouldnt even start there for any other reason than winning the NCAAF.Tebow doesnt have the talent,what was that jump throw.South Carolina,great team with Spurrier,im sure to see them atleast play for the SEC championship.I'm also tired of seeing u SEC fans putting 5 SEC teams in top 10, if they play each other and are the normal SEC they all wont stand there for long even if put there. Yes yes Bama got Saban,hes really not worth it.You will see.Hopefully the noles and other ACC teams like Maryland,GA Tech,Va Tech,and Clemson will prove something for the ACC.BTW FSU plays Bama next season so we will see how good the new coaches on both sides are.
Tomcat said:
posted on January 18, 2007 6:52 PM — 69.150.50.55 — link — abuse?
Hey fsufan #235 I saw two of yalls games this year, and yall looked purty good in both of them.
Yall gave the Gators a better game than OhSU and beat UCLA a great victory.
I completely agree with the first two paragraphs of your comment #235. What more can you ask of a team? Boise 06 AU 04 Utah 04 To have a team go undefeated and not get a shot is the current system. We've all heard the different arguments
and almost all of us are in agreement that the current system for determining a champion is flawed.I really enjoyed the Boise St vs OU game and the Broncos did go undefeated, however they played OU the third best team in the XII.
#233 That dudes an AGGIE not a Longhorn
Im in agreement that the game is played on the feild and not wishful thinking.
Check this out Fla lost one game this year AU
AU a team that barley squeezed by Neb
Neb a team that lost to OU, UT,OSU and USC
A&M got destoyed in their bowl during the second half against Cal
They were clearly the #1 or #2 team in their conference, they didnt play in the CCG game
They lost three regular season games by a total of six points 1 point loss to Neb & 1 point loss to OU. All three losses were against conference opponents.In all three of their losses were due to poor coaching decisions.I watched the games and A&M out played both OU and Neb,of course they lost.They beat OSU and UT in a couple of close ones. OSU a 6 loss team that completely destroyed Neb, and beat Alabama in their Bowl.
A&M beat Texas a team that beat OU, Neb and OSU.
A&M's got a great team and they should improve next season.Clearly the two best teams in the conference played during the regular season and not in the CCG. Texas vs A&M and not OU vs Neb
Hookem-Horns 28-10 over OUclemson1981 said:
posted on January 18, 2007 6:57 PM — 74.242.87.164 — link — abuse?
Rebel Chuck post 219:
would you tell me where in the world you say that Ole Miss has 3 national titles, now i know yall spilt ONE national title back in 1960 but for some reason Minnesota got the trophy (i think you were more deserving b/c 10-0 beats out 8-5 but they got the trophy)? gimmie a site or something, because i cant find it i looked here:
http://nationalchamps.net/NCAA/database/mississippi_database.htm
and it didnt seem to up to date, i saw where you got voted as national champs but the trophy were is it.
then i went here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I-A_national_football_championsnow i count 1 were the NCAA has acknowledged you have a national title, now where would those other two be? sen dme the link.
fsu.fan said:
posted on January 18, 2007 7:48 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
#238
Not all conferences deserve an automatic bid to get in the playoffs. There's 6 more spots open, anyone can take them. If Boise State from a non represented conference goes undefeated - there will be a slot for them. If an independant school like ND runs the table - there's 6 spots open. Not many teams run the table every year - the ones that do will get in the playoffs. The money issue can be easily solved.
The NCAA basketball trny generates TONS of money, so does the NFL playoffs - why wouldnt a college football playoff? Plus, if they like the bowls than keep them. No reason anyone not in the playoffs competing for the national title cant keep playing the meaningless bowls.
Give us a playoff - let the athletes decide who is better - not the computers.
Zac said:
posted on January 18, 2007 7:51 PM — 65.31.228.13 — link — abuse?
We interrupt this fanblog in order to discuss the following: USC looses famous Alum. Washington Post Humorist/Columnist & Political Cartoonist, Art Buchwald past away at age 81 at his son’s home in DC. An eventual winner of the Pulitzer Prize, and American Academy and Institute of Arts & Letters inductee, Buchwald, as a student at USC (never completed his degree) was Managing Editor for the campus magazine Wampus, and wrote columns for the Daily Trojan. Prior to college, he served with the U.S. Marine Corps from 1942-1945, and was attached to the Fourth Marine Air Wing. His legendary humor will long be remembered. Blessing to his family and friends.
Now for the fun part: Catching up with everyone. OH, by the way, for those of you who are over 50, and are considering having your tonsils removed, trust me; you are NOT in for a fun ride.
I do find the predictions interesting, given the talent returning especially with teams like BYU, FSU, MI, Miami, TCU, TX Tech, UCLA, USC, Wake. In some cases you have teams like OSU: Practically all of the offense is lost, but most of the “D” returns; or in FL’s case, a lot of the offense returns, but perhaps too many on “D” are lost. Speaking of the now defending champs, it’s interesting that of those who’ve spoken of Tim Tebow are either in his corner or on the opposite side of the ring. Let’s face it. None of us saw a great deal of him. What we saw was certainly positive and promising. He’s obviously a swift, powerful runner. His arm, despite his HS stats (You can’t apply them to college.), is a question mark. Clearly, taking control of the mighty Gator “O”, he’ll have growing pains. However, as he learns to operate this machine, as he learns to embrace it, and it he, Tebow will improve. He may take longer than some; he may surprise us and look better than Brohm or Quinn right out of the gate. We won’t know, till we give him a chance. Just as we won’t know until the end of next season which teams are in which bowls, and who will eventually be crowned #1. You can argue it’ll be FSU, GA, OU, FL, USC, WVU, MI (Heck, one of you had MS as SEC champs in 2008, another had TCU going 12-0 2007, but apparently going no where there-after.), but none of us will really know until it’s all said and done. I will say this. I am disappointed with those of you who insist it is ridiculous that Boise St perhaps should have been given a shot at the National Title. May I remind you once more, prior to they’re having beaten OU fair and square, Boise St beat 6 teams which went to bowl games; five of those teams won their bowl game. Couple that with they’re having beaten OU, what else does a team have to do to prove themselves worthy? This is especially why I am with those of you in favor of a play-off system. By the way, Tommie T, I have the utmost respect for you; I’m concerned with your lack of vision in this venue. Given you are a statistician; given the logic required for the applicable math, and given logically one can not solve a negative hypothesis, instead of telling me why a play-off won’t work, try determine how one might work. I think you’ll surprise yourself.
I don’t think either Boise St, Rutgers, or Wake are one and done. I think we’ll be hearing more next year from these teams. I think the strides made this year in Cincinnati will be lost, given they now have a new head coach. Look for them to rebound in a couple of years. The same will happen at Rice, and recovery will likely take longer. Don’t expect miracles in Tuscaloosa either. Sabins inherits a great deal of talent; said talent still has to buy into his system. I think GA will improve; I think FL & TN still beat them. Like it or not, Notre Dame returns a solid nucleus. They’ll be suspect at QB. Still, those of you who don’t include them in your top 25 are just trying to sell something. I appreciate the flattery extended to WVU. However, while they held on to their head coach, they’ve lost four key assistants. Clem’81, how WVU managed to swipe Ron West from Clemson, I’ll never know. Still, that leaves (as I understand it the filled one of the others) two more to fill. This could lead to continuity issues. If you’ve got WVU ranked higher than 7th, you’re being too kind. If you’ve got them ranked below 13th (Some of you don’t even list them.), you’re just trying to sell something. I think next year’s surprises could involve IA, SFL, Syracuse, WS, Uconn, and UNC. The Tar Heals actually got a coach who could turn them around substantially in one year. Again, we’ll see.
Now for some personal questions:
Post 61, M Go Blue – Will Carr actually retire after a successful next season?
Post 84. Ramblin Gator – How does a GA Tech alum become a Gator fan? Oh, and while two data points do “indicate” a trend, they do not necessarily a trend make. Of course, that’s just me and my well earned Chemistry degree talking.
Post 112, Brian – Where’s Notre Dame? Why, it’s located in S. Bend, IN. Or was this a trick question?
Post 236, Gatorstud - I think you said it best. 2007 could be an interesting year.
texasaggie10 said:
posted on January 18, 2007 9:42 PM — 128.194.70.120 — link — abuse?
fsu.fan, look at what ksuwild typed. That is the point I had in mind, you have to do something that gives everyone a chance, not just give automatic bids to certain conferences that are known to be stronger, because both Boise St and BYU had good seasons. People need to work for it, because conferences have thier strong times and thier weak times.
Tomcat, We could have won those low point loses if there were better coaching decisions, he doesn't seem to do too well in pressure or important times. For example going for 3 field goals to win the game with only 7 or 8 minutes left in the forth, which is extremely hard to do with the new clock rules. Also confused who the dude is you are talking about in the first line of your last post.
Trying to keep it short, one last thing, OU fans, your team appears so great because of your coaching. That is why you beat us. We were well scouted, thats all I have to say about that. OU isn't a strong team, but they can put up a good fight because of thier great coaches.
Tried to keep this one shorter.
Kunzla said:
posted on January 18, 2007 10:10 PM — 65.100.247.66 — link — abuse?
1. Florida
2. USC
3. LSU
4. Boise State
5. BYU
6. Virginia Tech
7. West Virginia
8. Ohio State
9. Texas
10. TCU
11. Arkansas
12. Wisconson
13. Michigan
14. Auburn
15. Oklahoma
16. Florida State
17. Rutgers
18. Tennessee
19. Clemson
20. Boston College
21. South Carolina
22. Iowa
23. Notre Dame
24. Alabama
25. ArizonaThat is who i think will breech the top 25, but I must say their are a few teams that I think will take a stand this year. For one I believe that Utah State has got what it takes to be a top 25 team they are a very young team. Also be expecting a lot of things out of Arizona Wildcats. They still have Willie Tuitama who I believe will be a heisman candidate. You are all probably wondering BYU? Top Ten? No. Well believe they have got what it takes. They have Tafui Vakapuna a running back who was averaging 8 yards a carry. They have most of their defense. All of their o line back Lots of amazing receivers back they will be excellent in everything but their is one position that makes me worried that is Quarter Back. This last year they had John Beck who had the best passing stats for any senior quarterback. He broke almost all of the Mountain west conference records. Well back up quarter back Jason Beck is a senior. And third string James Lark is going on a mission. But they have Arizona State transfer Max Hall. They also have a cannon for an arm qb Jacob Bower. And others in clude best JC qb Cade Cooper, second best jc qb Brenden Gaskins. So yea i think that they have got what it takes.!!!!
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 19, 2007 3:23 AM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
Zac,
"Clem’81, how WVU managed to swipe Ron West from Clemson, I’ll never know. Still, that leaves (as I understand it the filled one of the others) two more to fill".Well guess what? word is that as of:
4:28 p.m. Jan 18, Ron West changes his mind
Statement from West Virginia football coach Rich Rodriguez on Ron West remaining at Clemson.
"Ron West called today to inform me that he has changed his mind and has decided to stay at Clemson. Coach West cited family considerations as his reason, and I understand his decision".
This leaves us needy as ever..............
ksuwild said:
posted on January 19, 2007 4:17 AM — 71.237.67.235 — link — abuse?
Tommie T,
Just when I thought you had come to your senses and supported a playoff I go back and find posts 229 & 231.
Are you trying to say that the Steelers didn't deserve the Super Bowl last year? If so, how do you justify that?
Really?......Explain that to me?......I'm begging you. Regan, Kevin, or anyone else who can enlighten me.......PLEASE.
They beat the Colts - in Indianapolis, then beat the Broncos - in Denver, and then went on and beat the Seahawks on a neutral field in the Superbowl. No flukes, just good old fashioned A$$ WHOOPINGS.
Every team they beat in the Playoffs had a BETTER record than they did?
Why not just put the 2 teams with the best regular season record in the Superbowl and scratch the Playoffs.......or better yet.......crown the team with the best record during the regular season the Superbowl champ.
They proved they were the best during the season right? Who deserves the title of Superbowl Champion more than the team with the best regular season record?
How about a team that beats them.......No, that wouldn't make any sense.
Why not crown Ohio St. National Champion this year? No need to play a National Championship game. They were the only team in a major conference to go undefeated. It doesn't matter that a superior UF team chewed them up and spit them out on a neutral field. They "proved" themselves during the regular season. That game was obviously a fluke.
The truth is if you are "truly the best" then they should have no problem proving it on the field.......the way a true champion does.
Your kind of champion is apparently a paper tiger, who crumbles when push comes to shove. All talk and no walk.
Sorry Tommie T, NOBODY I know that is remotely interested in sports and has more than a few brain cells wants a champion who can't prove themselves on the field.
You always talk about "just win baby" as if that's only relevant during the regular season. You couldn't sum up a Playoff in a better way than "just win baby".
If your coveted Trojans did go 8-4(5-3)and were somehow able to sneak into the backside of a playoff(which would be very unlikely if they were 8-4 by the way)and manage to win it all.......who could argue they were National Champs?
All those arguments would amount to would be excuses excuses excuses with a little whining thrown on top. I can hear it now, "If we played again we would beat you". "That would never happen if we played again".
Cry me a river.
Being better than your opponent when it really counts. Isn't that truly what being the best is all about? Whether it's because of coaching, players, turnovers, hustle, etc., etc. is all irrelevant. It doesn't matter in the end.
The point is that when it counts.......the best rise to the occasion.......they force turnovers when they need them, they make long drives when they need them, they get quick scores and big defensive stops when they need them.......and if they don't, and they fall short, they're obviously not the best. Not that day. Not when it counted.
To answer your "were do you draw the line argument".......In order to make a 16 team playoff (whether you gave automatic bids or not, see post 243)you would still have to make a very Very good run during the season. Any team who made it with more than two losses would have to play in a damn tough conference.......like the SEC this year. If you played in a non-major you would virtually have to win them all to make it in - like Boise St did.
You act write like a playoff would be all inclusive, letting any team under the sun in........rendering the regular season as meaningless. Sorry man, when you look at the facts it just doesn't add up. It would be extremely tough to get in a playoff which would obviously mean the regular season would be VERY important.
The funny part of this whole discussion is that people on both sides of this argument agree that money is the major factor that is keeping things the way they are.
A PLAYOFF WOULD GENERATE UNGODLY AMOUNTS OF MONEY.
OU Fan said:
posted on January 19, 2007 5:44 AM — 136.221.16.231 — link — abuse?
TexasAggie and Tomcat, you both keep mentioning how OU is the 3rd best team in the Big 12 and whatever. But how do you figure? And you both keep making excuses of how OU is not a strong team and it the coaches that helps them win only, which are true statements, but remember that the coaches are not on the field. And both of you guys are trying to make excuses of how ATM lost which I think is totally ridiculous. ATM lost to OU and Nebraska both at home. Oh yeah, and Texas Tech. And then they got destroyed by Cal. OU was clearly better than ATM. And Tomcat, you can keep on saying that Texas was the best team in the Big 12 but remember that Texas had 2 conference losses. OU had 1. And Texas lost in Austin. Go Sooners!!
sooner1973 said:
posted on January 19, 2007 9:56 AM — 63.170.35.88 — link — abuse?
OU Fan says, you are correct if Ou is number 3 in the big 12 than there must have been a mistake when we beat the huskers, also one loss as appossed to two by Texas but no one wants to admitt what they know to be the truth Ou owns the big twelve and will always texas is the number two team with nebraska and the Aggies tied for 3, anyone who does not admit that is just kidding themselves because they hate the sooners. Now for this next year OU will be in the hunt for the title and we all know it so please keep up those bad thoughts they just feed the fire that keeps OU at the top with all those others chasing us.
sooner1973 said:
posted on January 19, 2007 2:11 PM — 63.170.35.88 — link — abuse?
Boise State, we will continue to hear from this team in the upcomming year however for those of you who think that they deserved a title shot, grow up. I do beleive that we need a playoff system but Boise is not the reason why. They will be around next year but like all programs that are one hit wonders they will quitely start to slip away and they will use the memory of the greatest day in their history when they were able to beat the giant OU Sonners as the single best thing besides the blue turf to ever happen to them. maybe in another 15 years they will have another spark of hope. Now we do need a playoff system, but so that there will stop these questions each year that arise when the teams that have the tough scedules are locked up and trying to earn places in the poll based off of style points or how some other poll feels about the way that they played on a certain day. And with this play off sytem you could really see some match ups that with the current system we could never see. I appreiate all those people that think that Boise deserved more but please get off the subject they played a great game against a decent OU team and the world thinks that they did something I guess that shows that everybody agrees that OU is the biggest and the best program around if not than no one would have cared. Now try and prove me wrong.
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 19, 2007 4:03 PM — 74.242.87.164 — link — abuse?
Diggs the Mountie post 253:
really the only reason he considered WVU is because his old buddy coahc rod is up there, now where did rod use to coach? oh thats right under tommy bowden and at clemson, the university looks like a fool now that we never hired him as the HC, but anyways, yes ron west will stay at clemson, its his alma mater, and his whole family lives here, so he is staying but no need to worry yall will find some one we still have a RB coach possition WIDE open.texasaggie10 said:
posted on January 19, 2007 6:14 PM — 128.194.70.120 — link — abuse?
The problem with boise state is that they didn't have any votes in either of the polls, and there is little chance to get to the top if you don't have any votes starting out in the polls.
KSUwild, can you give me some ways in which that it would make money, my mind is blank and all I can think of is that there won't be as many games = less money, but I haven't thought much about it so yeah.
OU Fan, I don't think once I said that they are the third best in the Big 12. I did say about the coaches bringing the team up, but thats all, I think. But with our game you have to admit, your coaches did a great scouting job which was a huge help, but in the fourth quarter our coach made a fatal error in passing on 3 and I believe 2. With J-Train, he can easy pound that in being around 300 pounds, you have to grab his legs to pull him down or just have 3 or 4 people jump on his back. So that didn't give us the touchdown we needed to win, and why we lost.
What I believe about the Big 12, is we need to get rid of the North and South division because as of now and past years, the South out powers the North with no doubt. It would have been better to see OU and Texas play, because they were the top two teams in the Big 12 overall, and being on a neutral field, who knows what would have happened in that game. Becuase it has to be broken in two and have OU vs Nebraska, even a Nebraska fan knew they were going to lose.
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on January 19, 2007 8:42 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
sooner1973,
Boise State's have one of the highest Winning Percentages as a Div 1A program, All-Time.
They've finished Top 15 in 4 of the past 5 years(AP and/or Coaches poll).
Chris Peterson was a FIRST-YEAR Head Coach in 2006!
That Fiesta Bowl was the biggest thing that program has experiences, granted, but that doesnt mean they're a "one hit wonder"... calm yourself Sooner. A 'spark of hope' would be making it to the Fiesta Bowl and coming close to beating Oklahoma... Boise State actually BEAT Oklahoma. If you mean 'hope' in terms of a National Title, well if Boise State wins on in 15 year, I think they'll be Happy with that... how long was it since Oklahoma won a Title before Stoops/2000 ???
... having said that, they do lose a lot of key talent for next season, so I expect a definite Drop-off for Boise St.
fsu.fan said:
posted on January 20, 2007 8:24 AM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
The college basketball trny makes TONS of money. The NFL playoffs make TONS of money. College football would also generate TONS of money. Hey, if college football really wants to be money hungry. With a playoff system they can still have the bowls too! Think about it, the 12 or 16 (whatever it may be) teams can be in the playoffs competing for a true national title - while the teams out of the playoffs can compete in all that rediculous bowl games. The bowl games are insanely meaningless other then money. Still playing the bowls would have no effect on the playoffs or national title out come. There's really no money issue.
Jeremy Collins said:
posted on January 20, 2007 11:46 AM — 65.82.138.66 — link — abuse?
WVU graduate and Mountaineer football fan Kenny Jones never got to see the Gator Bowl and tragically he'll now never attend another Mountaineer game.Friends say the 49-year-old Jones died Friday morning in a Jacksonville hospital. He'd been there since New Year's morning when he was struck by a hit and run driver near his hotel just hours before the Gator Bowl.
Jones lived near Philadelphia, but he grew up in Kanawha County. He held an engineering degree from WVU.
The teenage hit and run driver, who turned himself in a few hours after the accident, could face enhanced charges in connection with the death.
Woody213 said:
posted on January 20, 2007 12:46 PM — 74.138.30.113 — link — abuse?
I'm new to this blog and just could not figure out what some of you are smoking?
VTstudent - I don't get post #43, Our "D" was sub-par? Lets see they finished the year 19th in the nation and led the nation in Sacks? You were correct about the "D" hurting in the fact that both CB are gone in Smart and Gay. Sharpe our SS is gone as well as Okoye. We lost 2 starting LB but we use 6 so that wont hurt as much. So we lost 6 of 11 I have seen teams with less come back and do even better. Case in point Ohio st. lost 9 starters and this year except the Florida and Michigan game looked very good.
As for the offense all we loose is Kolby Smith (Bushes replacement), Riley #3 WR, and two offensive lineman, 1 OG and 1 OT. As for the offense we have one coming back with two years experience back form injury so we have to fill one spot on that line. Riley can be replaced easily buy Vahn, Carter from GT, or Spillman. We will still have a running game with the power of Anthony Allen and 4.31 speed of Stripplin. We are also getting the #1 RB out of Ill. so we will be fine.
1) USC
2) Michigan
3) Florida
4) WVU
5) Louisville
6) Wisc.
7) Texas
8) VT
9) LSU
10) RutgersThe only reason I have WVU over Lousiville is the game is in Morgantown this year.
Gatorpilot said:
posted on January 20, 2007 10:34 PM — 71.42.27.135 — link — abuse?
FSU at #16? I thought the pollsters would have learned their lesson by now -- FSU always falls off.
The staff is a lot better now, sure. But I think they should have to earn their way back into the Top 25.
billcallahansux said:
posted on January 20, 2007 10:59 PM — 162.40.218.236 — link — abuse?
Top 10 For 2007:
1. WVU
2. USC
3. Michigan
4. Texas
5. Florida
6. LSU
7. VT
8. Nebraska
9. Georgia
10. AuburnWatch: OSU, Texas AM, Tenn., Penn St., Wisconsin, Florida State, Wake, Rutg., Louisville, OU, Boise, TCU, ASU, Missouri, Kentucky, Alabama, & Clemson based on everything we know as of right now. A big 12 team and Pac 10/SEC team will play for the title, possible big east (WVU). Louisville will flop, as will One of the big SEC teams.
SEC- UF, LSU, Ark, USC, Tenn
Big 12: UT, Neb, AM, OU, TT
Big 10: Mich, Penn St, Wis, OSU
Pac 10: USC, Cal/UCLA, Oregon, ASU, OreStU
Big East: WVU, Rut, Lou, Pitt
ACC: FSU, Wake,..... who knows, FSU will be much much better in 2007.
MAC: OhioWildcards: TCU, Hawaii, BYU, South Florida
Very tentative, very very early, but based upon what we know now. I am from Nebraska, and think Bill callahan is a joke at times, with his play calling, Zac Taylor was over rated, but also the vistim of poor blocking and play calling, should have beaten Texas and Auburn, no excuses for oklahoma or usc, not to mention the ok st disaster.
We have like 6-9 4 star jucos coming in , and most are on the defensive line. Zach Bowman, a 1st round pick in 2008, will be in the secondary, and the new Juco corners will be an instant help. The offense will be much better. USC, Wake, and Nevada the first part of the season-ouch. Hopefully we can come out of the non-conference with just a loss to usc, unless we can pull off a miracle in Lincoln. We do get them early int he year. Another big 12 north championship....whatever that means, not a whole lot to me, or anyone else, a big 12 title would do wonders, but would mean having to beat texas twice....yes....twice in one year.The SEC will not be as tough this year, lost a lot to the draft, especially auburn and florida.
Big 10....sucks...except mich. penn st, maybe wis. OSU may be a 20-15 team, but they lost soooo much to the big leagues. I guess we'll have to wait 9 months to see what the preseason poll really looks like. Until then.....blog away!!!
Zac said:
posted on January 20, 2007 11:41 PM — 65.31.228.13 — link — abuse?
Jeremy C, Post 265. You're wrong when you say Kenny Jones didn't get to see the Gator Bowl. He had the best seat in the house. May God have mercy on he who had the courage to turn himself in.
For most of the season I've heard many arguments for and against a play-off system. One argument against revolves around the existing bowl game system, "Will a play-off hurt it?" The other interestingly enough is an anti-Cinderella song. Some of you don't want to see a team with 4 or 5 losses make it to the championship game, a possibility, if all of the top 25 were included. Therefore, it seems a top 10 or top 16 play-off system is, for the time being, the best compromise.
Let’s use Woody213's (Post 266) Top 10 pre-season picks as an example.
In this system the play-offs would begin with the "Preliminary Round". Teams ranked 7-10 would play off. In this case, Rutgers Vs TX & LSU Vs VT. That's 2 bowl games taken up.
The winners of the Preliminary Round would round out the top 8, which would then play off. If TX & LSU won the Preliminary Round, Round One or the Quarter Finals would look like this: USC/LSU, MI/TX, FL/WS, & WV/Louisville (One flaw of a play-off system; there's always a chance for a rematch.) 4 bowls taken up in this round
The winners would advance to Round Two, the Semi Finals, which would take up 2 bowls; and the winners of Round Two would result in the Championship match-up. 1 bowl.
This system would require 9 bowl games. A Top 16 system would only require 6 more. There were 32 this past year. Depending upon the system, that leaves no fewer than 17 for the also rans. Will this system end the debates? No. Will it end the bitching? No. Is it better than the BCS? I'd like to think so, but it remains to be seen. Is there money to be made? In the hands of those who know how to do it, you betcha!
frogfan 99 said:
posted on January 21, 2007 11:02 AM — 207.200.116.69 — link — abuse?
Kunzla (252) I have to say I like your top 25, but you need to take into account the schedules that most colleges have started working on already. You have TCU as a top 10 team. But you rank BYU and Texas both ahead of them. TCU will play BYU in conference, and Texas on Sept 8th. So if you are ranking both of those teams ahead of TCU, there is no way TCU is a top ten team. But as a TCU fan, I do like your prediction.
Tomcat said:
posted on January 21, 2007 11:55 AM — 69.150.50.55 — link — abuse?
Hey billcalihansux, I enjoyed reading your post great prespective.As a Longhorn fan I agree that really no two teams from the same conference should have to face each other twice.After OU, A&M,Neb,OSU,TTech during the regular season the CCG game is unecessary.Yalls schedule is very difficult,simular to Texas 06.This year we dont have Ohio St,We do have some real tough opponents and going undefeated is probably the only way Texas would advance to a BCS bowl which is almost impossible,Due to the current conference alinement we would have to defeat TCU an OOC game,A&M, OSU, TTech,K State, OU and have to beat Neb twice.
These other bloggers from other conferences do not understand,they all claim that the XII is weak, on the contrary, the XII is real tough.
Most of the XII teams in Bowls made a purty good showing with the exception of A&M and K State
Who's teams played a decent first half only to fall apart in the second.Nebraska, Oklahoma and Missouri lost their bowl games by a slim margin against respectable opponents.When you look at teams like TTech and Ok State these guys can beat anybody on any given day.
In some conferences like PAC-10 a team with two conference losses goes to BCS ex USC.In some cases a team with 4 losses advances to BCS ex.ACC champ FSU 05.
Nebraska will continue to compete at a high level and yall will continue to dominate the North Div.In 06 yall had real close games AU, A&M
and UT. These games were real exciting and could have gone either way.Next year yall have the Aggies at home Fran vs Calihan, looks interesting.
Yall travel to Austin next year another exciting matchup.
Look for TTech, OK State and A&M to all improve next season. Hey OU fans even though yall only had one conference loss-Texas 28-10 yall were not in my personal opinion the best team from the XII.
Congrats on another outstanding season.Yalls bowl game against the Broncos was alot of fun to watch.I also enjoyed the Oregon duck and A&M game as well. Hookem-Hornsksuwild said:
posted on January 21, 2007 6:10 PM — 135.214.42.68 — link — abuse?
texasaggie10(261),
As fsu.fan pointed out in post 264, the bowl system could stay completely intact with a playoff. In place of the 5 BCS bowls would be a playoff.
In a 16 team playoff you would have a total of 15 games.......8 in the first round(week 1), 4 in the second round(week 2), 2 in the third round(week 3), and 1.......the REAL National Championship in the fourth(week 4).
10 more games than the BCS currently had with much higher TV ratings per game = MAJOR PROFIT INCREASE.
How many days did Ohio St. have between games? 56 or something like that? Ridiculous, and not fair to them. You could easily finish a 16 team playoff in 28 days.......or half that time.
If the Big 10 had a championship game their wait wouldn't have been near that long. Which brings me to my next point.
Conferences should either take the championship games away(never happen, too much $$$$)or require all conferences to get an even # of teams & divide into a north/south or east/west and have a conference championship game.
If they did that and gave automatic bids to the 8 highest power rated conferences you would put the importance back where it should be.......winning your conference. It would also put teams through a final test before getting into the playoff.......ensuring only the best of the best get the automatic bid(if their conf. was power ranked in the top 8)
Tommie T, where you at man? I called you out in post 254.......No response? That's ok man, most people don't have a response against the playoff argument.......at least a good one anyway.
billcallahansux said:
posted on January 21, 2007 6:49 PM — 162.40.218.236 — link — abuse?
Tomcat:
Yes, these are inevitable facts that will continue to perpetuate the big 12 and SEC until the system is altered. I feel a playoff would tear apart some of the bowl tradition, but it would also be more fair and truly see who deserves the top spots. I am haveing troubles differentiating between the BCS vs. Playoff, but I do feel w/ in xt 10 years there will be a playoff, for better or worse. If your team is winning, you will of course advocate to that system, regardless of how ludacris it may be. Texas is getting screwed on the recruting trail since the loss to AM, kstate didn't help.
V. Young was at the Neb Tex game, and then he started to kick ass in the NFL the week after... He stole your juice!!! LOL, just joking. I do look forward to 2007, as I do 2008, 2009, 2010. Should we all post a top 10 for 2015 while we are at it? Probably be just as valid as these are this early!!! Go Billy C., Neb.
texasaggie10 said:
posted on January 21, 2007 7:17 PM — 128.194.70.120 — link — abuse?
Yeah I guess that might work out well ksuwild.
What does everyone thing about making independents have to join a conference?
A big thing that pissed me off about the bowl games was some bowl games, teams got a home state advantage. I know how it all works but it just sucks to see how it turns out. And to what I can think off, teams that played in thier home state won thier game: Texas, Cal, LSU, USC, Georgia to name the ones I can think off, the only one to loss in home state was UCLA. Wish they could find a way, if they are going to use bowl games, that they are all out of state games for each team and have a better neutral site. Look at how the national title appeared, but if the game was in ohio it would have been different.
ksuwild said:
posted on January 21, 2007 9:49 PM — 71.237.67.235 — link — abuse?
About independents having to join a conference.......I really don't know if they should have to, all though I really wish there weren't independents to begin with.
That's another reason why I truly believe giving automatic bids to(top 8 power ranked)conference winners is the way to go. It doesn't exclude independents from a playoff(as there would still be 8 open spots beyond the automatic bids)but it does indirectly tell them: If you want a chance at an automatic bid.......you have to join a conference. Take it or leave it.
As far as teams not being able to play in their home states.......I think that would be taking it a little far. If I'm not mistaken a couple years back Boise St. played their bowl game on their home field.......I am completely against that. There should definitely be a rule against being able to play a bowl game on your home field.
billcallahansux said:
posted on January 22, 2007 10:53 AM — 162.40.218.236 — link — abuse?
That is why WVU may play for NC this year. The big east needs tougher non-conference schedules, and soon. They are stepping up and sit with the nations elite consistently now, they shouldn't have a problem hanging with the PennStates, Michagins, Notre Dame, and maybe a weaker SEC or Big 12 opponent. WVU does return some serious talent, and their coach, and will probably go undefeated.
Zac said:
posted on January 22, 2007 12:35 PM — 65.31.224.71 — link — abuse?
On the surface, this schedule doesn't look like much. We of the Big East are well aware of the opinions of those favoring other conferences. Be that as it may, let's analyze what's here all the same.
Ball St. Here's a team that can make you look bad. Just ask MI, IN, and Purdue. Ball St lost to these three by a combined score of 19 points. While they only finished with a 5-7 record, they did win 3 of their last 4 including the scare in the Big House, not to mention a win over perennial MAC power, Toledo. WVU will be heavily favored; Ball St. will come to play.
Marshal will be improved, and it's on their field. There's a special incentive if they win this game. They'll be even-up with WVU, not to mention if they win in Morgantown the following year, the 4th game goes back to Marshal. Again, expect WVU to be favored, but this will be another emotional, potential bear trap. Expect the Herd to be ready to play.
MD: They had a lot of young players this year. They'll be a year older, smarter, and stronger, not to mention this game's at College Park. They will not soon forget being behind by a 28-0 score in the 1st qtr this past season. Besides, they finished 9-4, having had no trouble with Purdue in the Champs Sports Bowl. They loose Hollenbach, a QB, who appeared to be coming into his own. If WVU can survive this one, arguably, they'll have a Top 10 team.
ECU: They didn't have a particularly remarkable season, though they had a couple of arguably good wins. They seemingly have had WVU's # over the past two encounters. They went bowling and lost to one of two teams which beat WVU this past season. While they have a good nucleus coming back, their recruiting class is questionable. Probably just as well, this game being in Morgantown. Whether or not ECU can make it close, WVU should still win it.
MS St: I don't know what personnel they return, especially on "D", which at times was indeed stubborn, especially against the run. Their offense began to work toward the end of the season. Therein lies the key to their success: an offense which complements a defense, and vise versa. Again, WVU should be favored, but don't pencil this in the win column until the final gun sounds.
Louisville: This match-up has likely developed into the next USC/UCLA, or if you prefer, MI/OSU. Brohm and a solid receiving core are back; Bush bolted for the NFL. Some key players in "D" will be lost to graduation. Why will WVU win this? It's at home; their "D" will be stronger (It had better be.), Louisville has a new head coach to get used to, Slaton & White. Nuff said.
Cincy: If they hadn't lost Dantonio, I would worry about this game. They have gotten a good coach; he did lead them to a thriller against a solid W MI squad. I still think they'll need a year or two before they pull of another upset.
Rutgers: In Piscataway - this has last year's Louisville game written all over it. Leonard may be gone, but Rice is back, not to mention a smarter more confident Teal. They loose very little on "D", and tore a game KS St squad apart. If Rutgers & WVU are undefeated when they play, don't be surprised if Rutgers is favored.
Syracuse: They improved over last year, and will likely continue to improve. They need a QB. That's been their biggest issue is consistency at that position. IA didn't find the carrier dome accommodating. It took their "D" to bail them out. Currently, WVU doesn't have a "D" as strong as IA put up against the "Cuse". My take, WVU had better win this one in regulation.
UConn: Since their 1st year in the Big East, UConn has found winning to be elusive. They've also been hampered by the injury bug. This is a team of potential, which simply hasn't reached it yet. Unlikely, their reaching said potential in Morgantown next season.
Pitt: This is the emotional rivalry of the year. Even the WVU freshmen learn to look forward to this game, without having played in it. I don't care if Pitt is 0-11; they can still find a way to win it. That it's in Morgantown, gives WVU the edge.
S FL: A year older, wiser, stronger, and hungrier. While, WVU will not soon forger their home field embarrassment to the Bulls, this game follows Pitt. The question will be whether or not they'll have enough emotion in the tank to return the favor on the Bulls' home field.
Final synopsis: WVU has the tools and talent to run the table. There are a couple of traps in this schedule; none are gimie's. The toughest challenges will be at Rutgers, at MD, at S FL, at Marshall, and at Syracuse in that order. This coming season, with the exception of Louisville, the easy ones are at home; the tough ones are away, and there are no Div II teams on this schedule. With no dates known at this time, it'll be interesting if there are any games scheduled 5 & 6 days apart as with three of the games last year. While WVU has the tools and talent to run the table, another 10-2 record is certainly achievable and realistic. My wish is for the former, and a BCS bid. Go Mountaineers!!!
LionInTheLandOfSuckeyes said:
posted on January 22, 2007 2:20 PM — 68.252.41.127 — link — abuse?
OSU is done. Anyone who ranks them in the top 20 really needs to get some help. Pittman, Gonzalas, Ginn, Smith all gone. There is no way they will compete in 2007. Also, Notre Dame will not be in the top 20 either unless NBC pays to have them there. It is amazing how these two schools get so much favoritism when they get spanked in the last couple of Bowl games. I would love to see the Playoff system in place to take care of these two loser programs.
Nathan said:
posted on January 22, 2007 7:07 PM — 24.144.185.207 — link — abuse?
Actually, pretty close to mine. However, any list without Penn State or Boise State on it needs adjustment.
PSU loses a lot of talent in Hunt, Brown, Posluzny, and Alford...but Morelli really came into his own in the Outback Bowl against Tennessee, and should be far improved as a senior in his second season in the system. The entire receiving corps is back, and will make for one of the best in the country. The defense is weakened by graduation again, but has a great tradition of reloading defensively, and will be led by one of the top linebackers around in Dan Connor. A fairly more favorable schedule includes Wisconsin and Ohio State at home, with no Notre Dame (I believe). They should crack the top 20.
Boise State comes in after a huge, breakout 13-0 season that ended with a bang in Arizona to take home a rare BCS win for such a small-conference school...and that was under a brand new coach. Zebranski is gone, but Ian Johnson returns as one of the premier 'backs in the country complimented by a solid defense and yet again a cake-walk schedule. They, too, probably crack the top 20.
As for Ohio State? 9th is about where I had us as well. The losses of Smith and on the defensive line will hurt us most, but the schedule is even more favorable and the cupboard of talent that Tressel has stocked throughout the years is loaded both with talent and some fair in-game experience.
PopsMich said:
posted on January 22, 2007 7:19 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
CW, what on earth are you talking about? ("All SEC NFL Superbowl").
Dude if one Michigan defender didn't pick off another Michigan QB yesterday you'd be playing with less than 11 on the field.
Given there are 2 Michigan defenders in the SB, I'll put my $$$ on them (Indy). Unless Grossman gets knocked out or benched, where a Michigan QB will enter the game (Griese). then all bets are off.
Maybe a combo of SEC (Manning and Addai) will take care of the "O" and we'll split the difference.
Clipper NATION said:
posted on January 22, 2007 9:39 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
TCU is getting a bit too much 'push' from fans and the sports media for being the "BCS Buster" of 2007 (mid-major that makes it to a BCS Bowl).
They lose just about ALL of their "skill position" players from 2006... it reminds me of Fresno State of last year, they had good talent returning in the trenches (O-Line/D-Line) but the lost too much Key personel to over come (mainly in the backfield), finished 4-8.
Im thinking Hawai'i has the most potential among the mid-majors to make a BCS-run for 2007 (at this point).Clipper NATION said:
posted on January 22, 2007 10:41 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
War Eagle Atlanta, from the Ohio St-Florida Blog...
Who handed who "cash", exactly ??? USC didnt give anyone anything... its not even Alleged that USC was involved!@ Get you sh!t straight kid.
... And who handed who "grades" ???
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War Eagle Atlanta says:
posted on January 19, 2007 03:44 PMIt's better than handing cash to them! BTW, Cadillac got a diploma, so perhaps they didn't hand as many grades to him as you might expect.
texasaggie10 said:
posted on January 23, 2007 1:12 AM — 128.194.70.120 — link — abuse?
Ok, just to let you all know about this very stupid thing that I read in The Battalion(Texas A&M's student newspaper). I know it is a little off topic from football and how everyone is going to sit next year, but I just have to show what bad judgement and poor sportsmanship arised after A&M beat Texas. It's just sad to see a school do this. Well was going to post the article but didn't realize how long it was. December 4, about 2 weeks after A&M beat Texas on thier home field, UT's Board of Regents is suing Aggie Outfitters for their Saw'em Off logo. Thier strongest arguement for the "mutilation" of thier logo, but even that can be battled against kinda easily. To any that care here is a link to The Battalion's online version of the story: http://media.www.thebatt.com/media/storage/paper657/news/2007/01/22/News/Ut.Sues.Over.SawedOff.Horns-2656939.shtml?sourcedomain=www.thebatt.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com
Also if you go to http://www.ao12.com/ you can actually see the legal papers filed.
I'm sure many may not care, since they may not be from Texas, but I just can't believe this would happen.
iwasthere90GT said:
posted on January 23, 2007 6:04 PM — 74.237.24.99 — link — abuse?
ATLienNC no, if the SEC is as hard as everyone says it is (i also subscribe to this theory b/c the ACC and the Big 12/10 teams never live up to the hype, or perform in games they are supposed to win (GA tech/VA tech vs. UGay, OHST v Uf, and a couple of big ten v. big 12 matchups) Ugay will not finish on top of the SEC b/c ARK, LSU and possibly AU, and i doubt they will beat UF, and if they win their div. i doubt they'll overcome their opponent in the SEC championship. I think Ugay will finish in the top 25, but they still have to beat a GT with a QB 3 times as good as Reggie Ball (if not better than that, no matter which QB we choose, TAylor or are other back-ups) and Ball has decided the outcome of the ugay game for 3 years, sure tech loses CJ but we still have JJ and top recruiting class WRs, that said we may still fall, but Ugay will not win a NC and probly not even an SEC. in fact b/c the tough scheduling in the SEC, very few teams are in the position for a NC at the beg. of a season and Ugay will be one of these teams for a while, b/c they choke at least 2 times a year.
CW said:
posted on January 24, 2007 10:25 AM — 66.44.240.29 — link — abuse?
Popsmich,
I'm sorry... the Bears only have 7 starters including the team leader from the SEC. The other 19 are from various Southeastern Colleges.
... The Colts only have 4 SEC starters including the team leaders the other 8 are just various Southeastern Colleges.
My bad... there are some other players following their lead. Thanks for correction.PopsMich said:
posted on January 27, 2007 4:34 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
CW, not good enough....
Using Yahoo Sports Roster and Depth Chart it looks like this to me:
Bears:
SEC 8 Total, 4 Starters
Big 10: 7 Total, 2 Starters and 1 Special Teams PlayerIndy:
SEC 4 Total, 3 Starters
Big 10: 12 Total, 4 Starters.So much for that all SEC Super Bowl. You can lower the volume on the SEC hype now.
Maybe you're counting the ACC players. Doesn't count since the SEC hasn't annexed the conference.
CW said:
posted on January 28, 2007 4:47 PM — 66.44.240.29 — link — abuse?
Popsmich,
That's exactly what I meant! Two teams led by the SEC with mostly Southern Conferences players! However, thanks Big Ten for some contributions! You can see a cross section of where the NFL selects the best players! Notice how the Pac is represented? That's why here in the South we can't understand why a Pac team even makes the "preseason" top 30! The NFL sure doesn't want them! The preseason poll should be a cross section of the best talent... the SEC, Big Ten, a few ACC and one or two Big East? Once again it shows the BCS is a $ driven pile of BSSSSSSSSS.Rebel Chuck said:
posted on January 28, 2007 8:11 PM — 143.112.144.129 — link — abuse?
CLEMSON 1981 POST 248
OLE MISS had NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS in 59,60, and 62 there were so many organizations involved in the process back then that there was usually two teams claiming every year. You can go to this site to see the Championships awarded to Ole MissMiss.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_SEC_National_Champions#Football_.2823_Officially_Claimed.29
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 28, 2007 9:08 PM — 74.242.89.87 — link — abuse?
ok rebel chuck:
take a chill pill its ok, i see now just i didnt belive ya because i couldnt find it on the NCAA's web site and i assumed they would know before anybody, and what im talking about is how many NCT's have you won playing in a GAME for the title not by votes.Zac said:
posted on January 29, 2007 3:07 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
I thought I'd try my hand at this NCAA Championship thing, and I can see why there’s so much dispute over who got what championships and how many. I Googled NCAA Div-1 National Championship, and was surprised at what I found. I wasn’t surprised with which teams won or how many some won. It was the number of recognized commissions handing them out which surprised me. Sadly, I don’t know what some of these designations mean. Kevin or someone will have to help us out on this.
From 1869-1882 (the 1st 14 years of collegiate football) the “NCF” was responsible for determining or at least crowning the National Champion. For some reason, from 1883 to 1923, “H” had the distinction of crowning the National Champion. In 1924 and in addition to H, the NCF got back into the act, along with the “CFRA” and “D”. (“D” dropped out of the picture after 1939; the CFRA continued through to 1953.) The AP didn’t begin crowning National Champions until 1937. The UP didn’t start until 1950, before it became the UPI in 1958. The INS got into the act in 1953 and last crowned a champion in 1957. In 1954 the FWAA got into the act, and continued to do so through 1997. The RMN crowned one champion in 1969, as did ESPN in 1997. Starting with 1991, CNN had the distinction for a while, before the BCS began in 1998. Even with the BCS system, we couldn’t go without the AP muddying the waters in 2003.
What’s the point to all this? While there are many years with multiple champions the fact remains; each champion earned its championship in the eyes of a recognized commission. Whether it seems silly or unjust, a championship recognized as such is still valid. You can’t take it away from the team which earned it.
Consider this year’s injustice: 13-0 Boise St. Compare this team to a solid/13-0 BYU team, which in 1984 was the unanimous choice for the National Championship. BYU plowed through arguably an easy schedule. While BYU beat some teams with winning records, the overall record of its schedule was unimpressive. They didn’t even go to a major bowl, rather beat a 6-5 MI squad 24-17 in the Holiday bowl. One cannot blame BYU; that was their automatic bowl tie-in at that time. Like it or not, accept it or not, BYU was still voted National Champion by (then) all three voting commissions (AP, FWAA, UPI). Like it or not, had BYU done the same thing this year, they’d have gotten screwed, just as Boise St. got screwed.
What bothers me about this is not that BYU got that championship in 1984. It was decided they had earned it, and were awarded thusly. What bothers me is Boise St. went undefeated against a schedule, which in my view was much tougher. They clobbered OR St., one of two teams to beat USC. OR St was one of six teams Boise St beat with winning records, which went on to bowl games. Five of those teams won their respective bowl game. Finally, they beat an 11-2 OK squad in a major BCS bowl. Unlike MI in 1984, OK was not in a down year; they won the Big 12 championship. Yet, BYU got crowned National Champion in 1984, and in 2007 Boise St. was simply thrown a bone: a top 10 ranking. The point is this: The system with which national champions have been crowned has changed over the years. Since 1998 we’ve had a new system. It’s far from perfect and is subject to a certain amount of objectivity. In spite of its flaws, it is better than some of the older systems. If the 2006-2007 season has taught us anything it’s time for a new system. We need to evolve and move on. It’s time for a play-off.
CW said:
posted on January 29, 2007 6:34 PM — 66.44.240.29 — link — abuse?
ZAC,
Becareful you are falling into the Pac trap! Oregon / Oregon St is non comparable to teams in the Souteast or the Big Ten. It's like comparing Div I to Div 2! The argument currently going... is to allow the NFL to represent the NCAA poll placement somehow. Look at the the current Super Bowl teams and their rosters? Then, look at the rosters of the other NFL teams and each years draft picks. It becomes obvious that the NFL rarely cares about players in the PAC! The SEC has dominated the draft picks since 1982 except for two years that the Big Ten dominated.Zac said:
posted on January 29, 2007 9:22 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
CW: An interesting argument, which brings about a point aside from the one I discussed. While there is a positive correlation, performance at the collegiate level is immaterial to preparation for the professional level. Some many years back (20 anyway), I think it was Sports Illustrated which posed the question, "Which college/university programs best prepared their players for the NFL?" There had been a lot of discussion regarding Grambling. However, as I recall Penn St. (then an East Indy), MI, OSU, and Notre Dame. I don't remember some of the others, but it just may be a worthy question to debate. Given the coaching changes over the years, it would be interesting to compare those programs which were arguably good at one time to those which are good now.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 29, 2007 10:16 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
ZAC:
Why do we need a new system? Let's look at it objectively. Wasn't Florida the best team in 2006? Do you really think that Boise State could have beaten Florida on that day? I don't think any team could beat that team on that day. LSU? Florida had beaten them already. USC? They choked in two games. Florida only lost one game to an 11-2 Auburn team in Alabama. No comparison there. Florida simply won the thing outright.
How bout 2005? Wasn't Texas the best team? Is there any disputing that? They beat a USC team that was on a 33 game winning streak at the time. There is no argument in 2005.
Now in 2004, maybe, only because Auburn was not pitted against USC and Oklahoma was. But, USC went out and demolished Oklahoma - just as Florida had demolished Ohio State this past year. There were not many doubters. But, clearly, maybe Auburn should have been in that game.
In 2003, both LSU and USC, split a Championship. Were there two better teams. Again, maybe they should have played each other, but it did not happen. LSU did take care of Oklahoma, like they should have, in the BCS Championship game.
How bout 2002? Did not Ohio State deserve to be Champs after knocking off Miami? Could you argue for USC with two losses? No way! So, what is the problem with the system? Looks like the right teams have won, or gotten a shot, except for Auburn in 2004. I don't really understand where the "great debate" is this year. Now, there might have been one had USC beaten UCLA (which would have left Florida out), and USC dismantled Ohio State. Then, Florida fans would have been wondering why they weren't invited. To me - everything worked out the way it was supposed to in 2006.
BTW, I agree that BYU was not the best team in 1984. That was a joke. They didn't play anyone at all.Tommie T
Zac said:
posted on January 29, 2007 11:17 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Tommie T: You yourself asked a number of profound questions in your argument. Who indeed is the best team? (Just like, Which is the best conference?) Is it the team with the best record, the one which won 11 in a row, the one which beat the most ranked teams, the most successful within the arguably toughest conference? Does one game a champion make, or is it the journey up to that game? We all witnessed FL man-handle OSU. Was it FL's might, or had OSU, for what ever unknown reason, lost all sense of itself on that night alone? Given how OSU played, what if Boise St. had played them instead of FL? We might just be discussing one of the biggest David/Goliath stories in college football history. Consider some other questions. Who'd have thought after USC dismantled Arkansas, the Razorbacks would have won 10 in a row? Given how USC survived time after time in some close contests, who'd have thought it would be OR St, not to mention UCLA (later), who'd beat them? Given Michigan's destruction of Notre Dame in S. Bend, not to mention the character they displayed in Columbus, who'd have thought USC would put them away? You brought up LSU and Auburn, each with 2 losses, not to mention USC. How many times have you heard a renown sports commentator say, "The best team didn't win here tonight"? Be honest, Tommie. How would you have felt had USC beaten UCLA, and FL still played OSU? Legitimately speaking, would it have been so unreasonable for Boise St. to play in that game? The point is we'll never know now. And, maybe, that's OK; that is, unless you're a Bronco.
ksuwild said:
posted on January 30, 2007 2:50 AM — 71.237.67.235 — link — abuse?
Tommie Tommie Tommie,
Come on man.
2006 Yes Tommie, I do believe Boise St. would have given Florida a better game than Ohio State. They had a much more creative offense, and on D - if you watched them against Mr. All World Adrian Peterson - they ate his lunch all day, that's ALL DAY, in case you missed it the first time. Would Boise St. have won.......who knows........most likely not, but you nor I would know for sure unless they played, which thanks to the BCS did NOT happen.
2004 as you rightfully admit was a complete BCS debacle. Auburn and Utah.......yes Utah, got SCREWED my friend. I believe Auburn would have given USC all they wanted.
2003 USC was a better team(at least at the end of the year)than Oklahoma so the BCS got it wrong again. The fact that you say they should have played but didn't doesn't make it any better than what it was.......the BCS getting it wrong.......AGAIN!
2001 Nebraska doesn't even win the Big XII North, getting smoked by Colorado that year.......and still ends up playing for the National Championship. I see why your validation of the BCS stopped at 2002. Nice try though.
2000 Oklahoma plays Florida St., a team that LOST to Miami.......who also had ONLY ONE LOSS that year. So the BCS chooses Florida St.??????? Yeah, they didn't mess that up either.
1998 Kansas St. goes undefeated during the regular season and looses in double overtime to Texas A&M in the Big XII Championship. Kansas St. doesn't even get to play in a BCS bowl?It seems to me that the BCS has gotten things wrong much more than they have gotten them right. When you play in a Conference like the SEC, and go undefeated(Auburn 04), and still don't get a chance to play for the NC.......something is seriously wrong. Does it really matter that USC dominated Oklahoma? Does that make it any less fu%!ed up for Auburn? Let me ask you this.......what's to stop another 04 from happening? What if next year there are 6 undefeated teams instead of 4? How could the BCS possibly justify picking only 2 teams? I would love to hear the rational for that. Please humor me Tommie. Or you can choose to ignore this post like you have my other posts that have dismantled your arguments against a playoff. It really doesn't matter to me. I kind of think of an un-responded to post as an admission of defeat, a fight you know you can't win so you don't go there.
It really doesn't matter if people choose to ignore it, or whether they're just plain ignorant.
The system doesn't work whichever way you cut it.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 30, 2007 11:18 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
ksuwild:
First off - you're out of your mind. I'll accept the argument on Auburn's behalf. There has never been six unbeaten teams - so that remark is baseless. If you think for one second that a Utah or Boise State (with their 2-star recruited athletes) are gonna stand up to the best teams in CF at the end of the regular season, your a fool. Those teams only stay unbeaten because they play a whole bunch of other crappy schools with less than 2-star athletes. That is why they have been omitted from the BCS conferences in the 1st place. They would get mauled on a consistant basis. Just because Boise State gets lucky and beats Oklahoma (Adrian Peterson's 1st game back after many weeks out plus a WR playing QB) does not mean they could hang with Florida, USC or LSU. Those were the elite teams. Oklahoma was ranked about 15th. It means nothing.
Yes, I left off the years prior to 2002 when there were numerous injustices. My point was, in the last five years, only Auburn has a gripe. Yes, teams that lose their conference Championship game have no business playing in the BCS title game. But, that is the terrific voters (like yourself - who have no logic), that carry the weight of these injustices. They are the ones who continually get it wrong. I am not so much against a smaller playoff anymore. I'm not into the big 16 team field or anything like that. I might like to see the plus one system implemented. Who do you pick then - Louisville or Boise State? How bout an eight team playoff? Doesn't teams nine and ten then have a strong bitch? The bitching will never end - I don't care what you do. And, upsets happen all day long, so nothing proves anything really. Do you really think Florida was that much better than Ohio State? Do you really think that USC was that much better than Oklahoma in 2004? We'll never know exactly who the best team really was no matter what we do. It's all about who plays the best on any particular day. I say that Florida earned the NC, by completing a tough SEC schedule, and then pasting Ohio State when all the chips were on the table. That's what a National Champion is supposed to do. Boise State's one point, miraculous win over a 15th ranked opponent, really doesn't even compare to what Florida did throughout the season. Sorry.Tommie T
texasaggie10 said:
posted on January 30, 2007 1:15 PM — 128.194.70.120 — link — abuse?
The points being broughten up are exact reasons why we should have a playoff. For Utah or Boise St. for them to have to play the multiple games to get a a championship, if they beat all those teams they prove they are good enough, if they lose early, it shows that they were not really that good. The part about Boise St., they didn't get lucky, they at the end out played OU plain and simple. They didn't get lucky that the QB made an amazing fake to offset the defense, etc.
OU Fan said:
posted on January 30, 2007 3:28 PM — 84.146.29.93 — link — abuse?
Post 303, to me there was nothing wrong with the way the 2004 season ended. OU was number 2 throughout that season and they won the Big 12 championship. OU deserved to be in the national title game that year, but they just got outplayed by USC. Shit happens, we deal with it, and life goes on. And with the whole 2003 season controversy where OU lost the Big 12 championship and still made it to the national championship, yes a team who plays for the national title should win their conference but then again, that was OU's first lost that season, where as USC and LSU each already had 1 loss. But as to the 2004 season where there are 3 unbeaten opponents who play in tough conferences, I believe there should some kind of playoff, maybe the top 4 teams in the BCS. K-state sucks! Go Sooners!!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 30, 2007 4:39 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
texasaggie10:
Nobody mentioned the word "lucky" in regards to Boise State. The correct term was "miraculous" - suggesting some kinda miracle or even "divine providence". Where the "hand of God" is present - luck has nothing to do with it. What it is is that God saw fit to bless my government hating brothers up in Idaho.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 30, 2007 10:31 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
texasaggie10:
My bad! I see that up in the front now. I used the term "miraculous" at the bottom. Either way - it was definately a miracle. So many things went right for Boise on that day. It really was an unbelievable game. We'll probably never see another one quite like that one.
Tommie T
Tomcat said:
posted on January 30, 2007 11:18 PM — 69.150.50.55 — link — abuse?
Tommie T I wouldn't call it a miracle I'd call it a victory.Was it a miracle when TCU beat them?
It wasn't a miracle when the Horns beat them 28-10 on a netrual feild with a healthy Peterson?
The miracle of their OU's season was excaping College Station with a 1 point win.
Face it Tommie T the Sooners have 8 loses in the last three years, the Horns have 4. Kansas Stares victory over Texas was a bigger miracle than Boise St win over OU.Face it man they even got beat by Oregon, a team they got destryed by BYU another mid-major.
Hookem-Horns Gigem-Aggies Go Frogs
Sicem-Bears Go Rebels Roll Tide
OU still suxTommie Trojan said:
posted on January 31, 2007 12:52 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Tomcat:
I'll go with the K-State win over Texas. That was a real miracle. I consider TCU to be a pretty good team with a real good defense. I would not be shocked if they beat anybody. I'm not downing Boise State, it's just that their overall recruiting base, would not lend themselves to the constant grind of playing a full-on BCS schedule. Hell, they had plenty of energy left after waltzing thru the WAC. It would not have been that way had they played in a BCS conference. For one thing, they would have suffered alot more injuries, like all BCS teams do. Difference is: they would not have had the depth to recover from that. Oklahoma loses Peterson and Bomar and just keeps going. Texas, without much depth behind McCoy, drops a couple. What happens if Zabronsky were to have gone down? What's the Boise State record then? They did win a game without their star running back Mike Peterson though. But, they were playing nobody at all. Had any of their best players been missing against Oklahoma - then they lose the game for sure. Oklahoma probably had six to eight major injuries at the time of the game. I'll bet Boise didn't have two.
Tommie T
ksuwild said:
posted on January 31, 2007 1:19 AM — 71.237.67.235 — link — abuse?
Quote from Tommie T:
"If you think for one second that a Utah or Boise State (with their 2-star recruited athletes) are gonna stand up to the best teams in CF at the end of the regular season, your a fool."So I guess Oklahoma, a team that won the Big XII and really only lost one game during the regular season is now chopped liver. I would like to know what you think Oklahoma's final rank would have been if they had won by one point? I'll help you out.......it wouldn't have been 15th. Did you even watch the Boise St./Oklahoma game? Seriously, I'm starting to wonder.
Let me refresh your memory.......Boise St. was in complete control of that game in all 3 phases until about half way through the 4th quarter when Oklahoma got a "miraculous" bounce on a punt that ended up giving them great field position. That play was a turning point that gave OU a chance to build some momentum when they had NOTHING going for them.......otherwise I honestly don't think they would have gotten within 2 touchdowns. Oklahoma's offensive scoring output was anemic for over 3 quarters. That's what lucky is to you? I call that good Defense.
If you read my post you would understand that I think Florida would more than likely have beaten Boise St. IF they would have played. The point that you don't seem to understand is that it's not really about whether they would have won or lost(because we'll never know)as much as it's about the fact that they were put in a game were they were supposedly "outmatched" athletically and won. That proves they deserve a shot. No one in support of a playoff is saying they should have been handed the trophy for the NC.......they're saying they deserve the chance to play for it.Still don't think so. Try this.
You and I both agree that USC was one the elite teams in all of CF in 06. I seem to remember that one of USC's losses was to an Oregon St. team that Boise St. ATE FOR LUNCH. How do you explain that? Was it a fluke that Boise St. blew them out? No, you think that it was a fluke that Oregon St. beat USC, just like I'm sure you think it was a fluke when UCLA beat them. Couldn't have been that they weren't intimidated, had a better gameplan, and executed it better. Nonsense.
Was it a fluke in 03 when Kansas St. took undefeated OU behind the woodshed in the Big XII Championship? Talk about a difference in average stars of recruits. Half of OU's team was All Big XII or All American. All I have to say is Kansas St. 35, OU 7. What about George Mason in the CB tourney last year? I guess if was a fluke every time they beat a team that was "better" than them. The Steelers winning the Superbowl when they barely made it into the playoffs.......yeah all their playoff wins were flukes. If they were one of the elite teams in the NFL they would have never lost that many games during the regular season. Their playoff run was all luck.
Excuses, Excuses, Excuses. Give it up man. Your reasoning makes no sense.
Your argument that anyone can beat anyone on a given day is EXACTLY why Boise St. should have had a chance to play Florida, or LSU, or USC, or whoever was put in front of them in a playoff. If there would have been a playoff this year and Boise St. won a game like they did against OU they would have had all kinds of momentum going into the next round. It would truly be great to watch.
Do you really think it's impossible that there could be 6 undefeated teams in CF. There's already been a year where there were 4. Do you think maybe there could be 5? No.......that's crazy talk.......totally baseless and unfounded because it's never happened before. Is that how your reasoning works? If it hasn't happened don't talk about it because it never will. Wake up Tommie. There is going to be a year in the very near future where there are more than 4 undefeated teams or more than 4 one loss teams at the top, and the BCS will have no reasonable way to sort it out. It's inevitable.
Another quote from Tommie T: "How bout an eight team playoff? Doesn't teams nine and ten then have a strong bitch? The bitching will never end - I don't care what you do."
Missing the point completely again. A playoff isn't about ending any "bitching", it's about having a system that can handle the many scenarios any given season can bring: multiple undefeated teams, multiple one loss teams, multiple WORTHY teams. There is WAY TOO MUCH PARODY in CF to assume there are going to be 2 clear cut "deserving" teams at the end of a season.
You say you support a "small playoff" yet defend the BCS????? You can't be on both sides of the fence whenever it's convenient for you. The whole point of the BCS was to give a clear cut National Champion(something the old system hardly EVER did)and it has failed miserably much more often than it has gotten it right.
Another brilliant quote:"And, upsets happen all day long, so nothing proves anything really."
What the hell are you talking about? Why even play then? That sounds like a comment from someone who's never watched a sporting event in their life? Why not just give the team that has players with the highest "star average" the W. That makes sense. Everyone knows if the "better team" loses it's just a fluke anyway, right?
Once the whistle blows no one gives a $#!+ about the "star rating" of the athletes across from them.
Tomcat said:
posted on January 31, 2007 1:57 AM — 69.150.50.55 — link — abuse?
Tommie T I appreciate your perspective.The Sooners loosing Bomar was not as big a loss as losing V.Young. Teams like Boise St. do not get the same type of recruits as the big scools and their schedule is not as tough as others, we are both in agreement there.
Teams like TCU do not play the schedule or have the recruiting like the big schools either, very simular to Boise St. In Texas most the top recruits go to the big four OU, UT, A&M and Neb.
Ive always heard alot of arguement about how TCU should have been the XII instead of BU. However when looking at TCU's shuffle through C-USA and WAC and now Mt W, its understandable why they've had more sucess over recent years.This success also helps them compete in recruiting.
Most guys would rather play for a 10-2 than a 4-8.
A team like Baylor for example has to run the gaunlet.Their last few games were T Tech, OSU,A&M, OU and Neb.If TCU or Boise played that kind of schedule a 13-0 or 10-2 record would indeed be a miracle.
On a national scale folks seem to focus more on a successful team from a mid-major than a loosing team from a BCS conference, which is good for the smaller schools. Teams like Ole Miss or Baylor would probably be in the same position if they played in a non BCS conference with an easier schedule. HookemTommie Trojan said:
posted on January 31, 2007 9:51 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Tomcat:
There is no doubt that Baylor would win ten games every year if they played in the WAC. My take on TCU was that they were always a decent Southwest Conference school. I don't understand how they got left out of the mix. I don't understand why SMU was either. But, I think that the "death penalty" had a lot to do with that. Nevertheless, there is no way in the world that a "Mid-Major" makes it through a BCS conference schedule without at least three league losses. No way! Oh yeah, once in awhile they'll spring an upset, just like other lower ranked conference opponents do. But, on a weekly basis, they'll be getting beat on every single week.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 31, 2007 11:13 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
ksuwild:
What is it that makes some people so fugkin stupid? Do you really think that that was a "good" Oklahoma team? I don't! That was the weakest that the Big 12 has ever been - period! No, I don't think Boise State is as good as Oregon State. They caught them on a crappy day. Do you think anybody "gets up" for Boise State? They caught Oregon State earlier in the season while they were nappin'. The Top Programs bring in the Top Players. Boise State isn't one of them. They had a great year - yes! Will they do it again next year - NO WAY! That is why they are not a Top Program. They gear up for a year here and there. I see Oklahoma as still being down. No, Oklahoma would not have risen in the rankings had they beat Boise State. I had Boise State favored to win the game. It really wasn't even an upset. Oklahoma was not that good!
These are the Top Programs and Boise State will never compete with them until they enter into a BCS Conference:
BIG 10: Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin and Penn State.
BIG 12: Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Texas A&M.
PAC 10: USC, Oregon, California and UCLA.
SEC: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee and LSU.
BEAST: Louisville, West Virginia and Rutgers.
ACC: Miami, Florida State, Virginia Tech and Clemson.
And, Notre Dame.
Year in and year out - those are gonna be the Top Teams. Boise State will rise up on occasion - but they will never compete consistantly with these teams. They got one win, dude! It doesn't make them #1 or anywhere near #1. It's a shame that they didn't get to play LSU in the Sugar Bowl. I'm sure the would have put up a better fight than Notre Dame did. But, claiming that Oklahoma was some kinda elite team last year is a joke. They barely squeeked by in many games. There was no dominate team in the Big 12 last year. Boise State would also have beaten Nebraska - I am sure. I'm not sure about Texas - although Texas did not play well against Iowa either. It was a very down year for the Big 12 period. Had Boise beaten a legitimate Top Five team - my attitude would not be what it is. My family are all Fresno State Bulldog fans. I've been subjected to WAC football all my life. I know a whole lot more about it than you ever will. There is no team from that league that can stand up to the rigors of playing a BCS conference schedule - period! I can't believe that you are so ignorant that you even have to argue the point. Why don't you worry about what the Wildcats are doing?
Tommie Trojan
ksuwild said:
posted on January 31, 2007 11:56 AM — 135.214.40.68 — link — abuse?
Who was arguing that a team from the WAC could hold up to the rigors of playing in a BCS conference schedule???
Try actually reading my post.
It was more about why a playoff works, and why your effort to defend the BCS is futile. You didn't address half the points I made buddy.
OU Fan said:
posted on January 31, 2007 12:08 PM — 84.146.64.166 — link — abuse?
Why the fgck does everyone keep hating on my Sooners! Damn people. Give them some f#cking credit. No other team last season had as many problems with players than the Sooners. Well I guess Miami had it pretty rough also. But Tommie Trojan, Tomcat, KSUwild, I think ya should back off just a little. And Tomcat, you say that losing Vince Young was tougher than what OU had lost last season, but I say yea f@cking right dude. Texas pretty much had all of their returning starters from their national championship season. And Tomcat, you keep on saying that it was a miracle that OU won in College Station, but how the h@ll do you figure? REMEMBER that OU had to convert on 4 and inches, and had OU not converted, ATM could have kicked a field goal and won that game. Why don't you mention the ATM Texas Tech game? Now that game was a miracle, especially with the way Texas Tech made that last second touchdown. And then you keep on trying to make Coach Fran and the Aggies sound tougher than they really are, but they are really not that tough dude. ATM had 3 home field losses last season. Oh yeah, and Texas had 2. Tomcat, I know you hate the Sooners and that is totally cool, but give them credit where credit is due. And KSUwild, you can talk all the sh$t you want, but just remember that the Sooners own the Wildcats. Also, in that OU Boise State game, Paul Thompson threw 3 interceptions and had 1 costly fumble and Boise State had the chance to go for the 2 point conversion in OT and OU had no chance to respond. It was just one of those games. And Tommie Trojan, to me OU was not as weak as you keep on saying. I think they were actually a lot stronger than what people thought, especially after what they went through. To me, it sounds like the University of Southern California and their players have problems following the rules. But then again that could all be false. Go Sooners, Big 12 champs baby, Tex-ass suck, Whooooooooooo!!!!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 31, 2007 1:51 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
OU Fan:
Nobody is hating on the Sooners. Oklahoma did a tremendous job, under the circumstances last year, and I had Bob Stoops as National Coach of the year. All I'm sayin' is that wasn't one of the "great Oklahoma teams". You can agree with that - can't you? We have seen some monstrous teams come out of Oklahoma and that was not one of them. Nevertheless, they did an outstanding job considering everything that was stacked against them. I have the utmost respect for Oklahoma football and am only trying to help people to understand that Boise State wouldn't beat Oklahoma once over the next ten games.
Tommie T
texasaggie10 said:
posted on January 31, 2007 5:47 PM — 128.194.70.120 — link — abuse?
About the big 12, I don't think that it really is that weaker, but the normally stronger teams weren't as strong as they were in the past, and we had OSU, Baylor, and A&M step it up a notch. As about USC, they are a good team, but like other teams, they are kinda of ridding off of thier past teams. As for the A&M's loses the tech and neb games where both lost on a pass catch on a freshman. We have a young team, a lot of freshman and sophmore major players. The loss to OU, they played well, and well, I guess fran didn't think that they are that great of team that they could get 3 field goals in, which is of course wrong. But whatever they were loses, and you learn from then and should become better because of them. As for Boise St. that game gave them good exposure, and should help thier recruiting a little, so hopefully in up coming years they can be back up to a game like this years again.
Tomcat said:
posted on January 31, 2007 11:00 PM — 69.150.50.55 — link — abuse?
Hey OU fan I really dont hate the Sooners, however the Sooners hate the Horns which is O-kay, so do the Razorbacks. Week in and week out the Horns get tested by teams giving it 100%.
If you would reread my post you would understand that I dont like Fran at all.Even though the Aggies are bitter rivals I respect the traditions and character of the team.When those players came into Austin they gave it 110% and I admire that kind of team dedication and spirit. I do not like the coach however and if I were coaching that team the Sooners, Raiders and Huskers would have lost. Hell Fran almost cost them Ok State and Army.
OU Fan You said we had the same team as last year wrong not only did we lose alot of starters we also had injuries as well.In the Ohio St game we only had 1 guy in the defensive backfeild that was the same as last year and it showed.Hell the Horns were getting burnt on the deep ball all year.
Baylor scored 31 points against UT.
Oklahoma scored 10
Hookem-Horns Sicem Bears Gigem Aggies
ksuwild said:
posted on February 1, 2007 3:01 PM — 71.237.67.235 — link — abuse?
OU fan,
You're right, I CAN talk all the $#!+ I want.......but thanks for the permission. Give OU some f^=@!#g credit huh?
Did you even read what I wrote about OU at the beginning of post 316? You must have the same syndrome as Tommie T, you read what people write, but seem to completely misunderstand their point and take away what you want from it. If you actually READ what I wrote you would understand that I think OU was a very good team last year, maybe not one of the elite, but very good. I just think Boise St. was better, and that Tommie T is smoking crack if he thinks OU would have beat that Boise St. team 9 out of 10 times. Don't take it so personal man, OU won the Big XII and came very close to winning their BCS game.......you can't win them all.
I would hardly say the Sooners own the Wildcats, but you can hang on to that notion if it makes you feel better.
Tommie T, refer to post 320.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on February 1, 2007 5:58 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
ksuwild:
For the sake of ending argument - I cannot disagree that the BCS does "suck". I have always maintained that anyway. If you know my history - I am for the "old way". I am for voting a National Championship after all Bowl games have been completed. And, if there is a split Championship - so be it. I'm not one to have to even ponder who is actually the #1 team - because there will never be a way to prove it. Even with a playoff system - the same old debate will still rage on. There are such things as "upsets" you know. And, everybody knows what an "upset" is. Kansas State beating Texas was an "upset". UCLA beating USC was an "upset". Throughout your proclaimed playoff process - there will be many "upsets". And, the best team will rarely win the playoff. Give me the "old days" when the regular season was the deciding factor to enter into Bowl games, the Bowl games would be played, and the voters would decide who were the National Champions at the end of those games. That way, whoever played their best on Bowl day, could get the attention of the voters. Your right about one thing: the BCS = BullSh*t!
Tommie T
texasaggie10 said:
posted on February 1, 2007 6:58 PM — 128.194.70.120 — link — abuse?
I wouldn't use the UCLA and USC game as a upset example, just because when rivalry games role around, the only way that they are for sure won is if its #1 vs last place, and even then they can be tricky games. Basically, for rivalry games, the teams are almost a an even spot just because it is a rivalry and the teams care so mucha about those games.
Tomcat said:
posted on February 1, 2007 8:35 PM — 70.243.64.85 — link — abuse?
Tommie T #318 In the days of the old SWC and you can ask Aggie fans as well, TCU was like a doormat.Check all your computer stats as I am recalling from memory.As a Horns fan I could always get tickets to two games every year TCU and Rice.The Horns played three real tough opponents year in and year out Ark, A&M and OU.
Baylor, SMU and TTech were usually pretty tough as well as Houston.
The Frogs come to Austin this year and the Bears travel to Ft Worth. I personnally like these old SWC matchups.Baylor also plays Rice this year
Hookem-Horns
P.S. in the old SWC days Baylor gave us more trouble than TCU at least in my lifetime.Check out some stats Thanks TomcatTomcat said:
posted on February 1, 2007 8:36 PM — 70.243.64.85 — link — abuse?
Tommie T #318 In the days of the old SWC and you can ask Aggie fans as well, TCU was like a doormat.Check all your computer stats as I am recalling from memory.As a Horns fan I could always get tickets to two games every year TCU and Rice.The Horns played three real tough opponents year in and year out Ark, A&M and OU.
Baylor, SMU and TTech were usually pretty tough as well as Houston.
The Frogs come to Austin this year and the Bears travel to Ft Worth. I personnally like these old SWC matchups.Baylor also plays Rice this year
Hookem-Horns
P.S. in the old SWC days Baylor gave us more trouble than TCU at least in my lifetime.Check out some stats Thanks Tomcatksuwild said:
posted on February 2, 2007 4:14 AM — 71.237.67.235 — link — abuse?
Fair enough Tommie.
I know you prefer the old system and I commend the fact that you would consider a small Playoff. The truth is that CF was a great sport before the BCS, is a great sport now with it, and would be a great sport with a Playoff. I always have loved it and always will. I guess that is why I am so passionate about a Playoff.......because I truly believe that is what is best for the sport. I also honestly believe if it was done the right way that it wouldn't destroy the regular season or the Bowl system.
Not very long ago I truly believed a 16 team - full blown Playoff was the way to go, and have since changed my mind.
I still do believe a Playoff is the only reasonable way to sort the madness out fairly and effectively.......just not with 16 teams.......and I'm sorry but a 4 team Playoff, or a plus one system(although would be an improvement)in my opinion would NOT get the job done effectively and would leave a lot to be desired.
After long thought.......requiring all conferences to have a Championship game, and implementing an 8 team Playoff would work as good as anything I can think of. Whether they give automatic bids to conference winners or just take the BCS top eight.......either way would be effective and fair to ALL teams in ALL conferences.
Again, there would still be people who would cry foul, and that's all good and well. I can categorically guarantee you that the gripes about a Playoff wouldn't be near as legitimate as the many valid complaints of travesties that have happened in the BCS' short history, not to mention the many pre-BCS fiasco's.
So although we don't exactly see eye to eye, we have both moved toward a middle ground through banging our heads.......in a sense we have both bent but not broken.
Peace
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on February 2, 2007 8:32 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Tomcat:
You are correct. I think that back in the 50's TCU was more of a power. Texas, Arkansas, A&M and Texas Tech were the Top SWC teams into the 60's. No argument out of me here. TBH, I liked the "old SWC" better than what is happening today. I don't understand why they disbanded that conference.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on February 2, 2007 11:13 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
ksuwild:
I am in agreement on the eight team field. That seems like the only way to go. I have mulled all those considerations also. I see sixteen as too many - open to too many "upsets". The top eight are all very good teams. Although teams 9-12 will always gripe that they were left out - they really won't have much BS to spew forth that they could have been National Champs. I had Florida rated about 8th all year this year. I had Michigan around #5. So, there are good teams up inside the #8 position. I think any of those teams could win it and make a rightful claim.
We still need the regular season to mean something. I say we lose the "conference playoff system" (although it won't happen because it creates additional revenue), in order to limit all teams to twelve games, so when they get into these playoffs they don't play too many games and have an unfair disadvantage (more injuries, fatigue, etc.). Then, the Top Eight play off in the Top Four Bowl games to start out (Rose, Orange, Sugar and Fiesta). After that, two more games would have to be created, in order to playoff the Final Four. Finally, the BCS Championship game could occur. There would be at most fifteen games that any one team could play. This might work out. Maybe two of the lesser Bowls (I prefer the Gator and Cotton) could take the place of two of the Big Four, and have some form of alternating system supplying the first four Bowl games, while two of the Big Four Bowls host the 2nd round of playoffs on an alternating basis.
I'm not against any of this - if it made things more interesting. My only point is: it'll never end the debate. Everybody always thinks their team is the best. I still think USC is the best team. I don't think Florida would have done that to USC. They may have won - but not by more than one point. Ha Ha! Seriously, I can still make an argument for my team. It's not sound or logical, because SC lost twice to crappy teams, but when their on their game - nobody is gonna beat them. So, maybe I could say that they are the best team. They are not National Champs though.
BTW, I may be movin' out to Wichita sometime this year with the Aircraft division. Who am I gonna have to learn to tolerate - Kansas or Kansas State? It's not gonna be Wichita State. They don't even have a team - do they? Hey, is Fayetteville, Arkansas very far away? Maybe, God somehow punishing me for past due sins, is gonna subject me to watching Wildcat, Razorback or Jayhawk football. Oh hell, maybe I'll just take up High School football instead. Is that any good in Kansas?Tommie T
OU Fan said:
posted on February 2, 2007 1:32 PM — 84.146.69.238 — link — abuse?
Tommie Trojan, the drive south down I-35 to Oklahoma City is really not that far from Wichita. Norman is also in the OKC metro area, and hell Stillwater and Tulsa are even closer to Wichita than Oklahoma City. Go Sooners!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on February 2, 2007 3:46 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
OU Fan:
Well hell, I'm much more likely to appreciate Boomer Sooner ball than anything else. I just might have to go on out and watch the Sooners play against the likes of Texas, Nebraska and A&M. Hell, I might even show up in Kansas to watch the Sooners kick the crap out of the Jayhawks and Wildcats. I certainly would not want to waste precious gasoline on that kinda carnage.
Tommie T
billcallahansux said:
posted on February 2, 2007 4:48 PM — 162.40.218.236 — link — abuse?
The big 12 will be the strongest league in college football this year, from top to bottom, but the depth will end up screwing everyone's record. It will be tough for nayone to make it out of the big 12 undefeated this year, as every year. Similar to the SEC issue.
PopsMich said:
posted on February 2, 2007 6:55 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
TT, in those parts it's anybody but Nebraska. You're not going maximum to Levenworth are you? Also, be careful where you walk, as there are lots of silos (wink) out there.
When you're not worrying about football (Spring), there will be other things on your mind (Tornado alley for one).
Use some of that California Real Estate windfall and get yourself a waterfront place (Arkansas River, of course).
If you're a front runner, the go on and pull for the Jayhawks. If you like adventure (and you're patient), then its K-State.
Baseball is big, too....(yep, Wichita State).
Zac said:
posted on February 2, 2007 7:41 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Friar Tom: I think you'll actually like the mid-west, unless you're a dyed-in-the-wool city slicker, that is. It's a quieter, easier way of life than that in CA. Besides, though hot in the summer, I think you'll find Wichita to be decent. While you're a lot closer to Norman (Stillwater is closer; Tulsa maybe.), you're not all that far from Lincoln, NE, less than 280 miles. So, there's quality football within reach, if you're interested.
Like ksuwild, I would prefer a 16 team play-off. Like Tommie T, I could live with a top 8 play-off. Perhaps a better compromise is one I twigged on many blogs back: a Top 10 play-off. In this system, in a preliminary round, teams 7-10 play off, rounding out the top 8. Then, you have your quarter finals, semi-finals, and NC. That takes up a total of nine games, or nine bowls. Given the 32 bowls we had at the end of this past season, that leaves 23 bowls within which 46 teams can play. You'll not likely see as many 6-6 teams playing in the post season. However, a play-off involving only the top 10, you'll not likely see any 3 loss teams, let alone very many 2 loss teams.
Tommie T: I also agree with you fully regarding conference play-offs. These are money games. Lets leave it at that. (Didn't FL St win the ACC a year or two back, with 4 losses?) As you've said, upsets happen. The better team doesn't always win. While conference championship games should impact the final rankings, conference champions shouldn't automatically go to the NC. That's what's wrong with the NCAA BB tourney, and why they call it March Madness. There are 64 teams involved, sometimes as many as 67. 15 loss teams have won that tourney. There's no room in college football for that nonsense. Let the truly elite teams for each season play in a dance worthy of champions.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on February 2, 2007 10:12 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
PopsMich:
Funny you should mention it: I am lookin' to be right on the Arkansas River. I need two bedrooms in the basement, two fireplaces, and a jacuzzi. I'm not too concerned about the upstairs - as I figure we'll lose it during the 1st tornado. I'll just have the architechs start drawing up a new floor plan upon arrival. I know I'll need a generator and a wood burning stove - for that inevitable ice storm. Snow chains sound like a drag - but I guess I'll have to handle it.
Zac: I actually used to live in Lincoln, Nebraska during some of my earlier days. Just loved the place. Cold as hell in the winter though. Craziest place on Saturdays that I have ever seen. Everybody wears red and the main road is actually named "CornHusker Highway". Can you imagine if we had a "Trojan Turnpike" here in LA? I'm really lookin' forward to gettin' back to "Dodge". I used to really like the Huskers. Back in the day when the Trojan's were blowin' chunks - my favorite team was always Nebraska. Just liked the way they played. I used to like Oklahoma too. Really was a quandry of sorts. I wish that I could watch Texas and Oklahoma runnin' the wishbone along with Nebraska runnin' the Power-I. Those were the good ol' days. Those were some tremendous games comin' out of that neck of the woods. You know - all of them have played the Trojans a few times each also. So then, you'd have that balanced I-Formation attack of USC's, against those wishbone and Power-I teams. There used to be alot more diversity amongst teams. That's why I kinda like West Virginia runnin' the option. It's a great thing to watch. I like to watch Hawaii play that "run and shoot" thing that June Jones plays. I can't imagine that either Kansas or Kansas State will ever get me too fired up. Heck, maybe Pete Carroll will eventually retire to Kansas. That would be good.
Tommie T
Zac said:
posted on February 2, 2007 10:23 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Post#279: By the way, Mike, WVU doesn't open at home against Ball St. They open against W MI, a team which played in a bowl, finished 8-5, and brings back a solid nucleus. Instead of playing at MD in the 4th game, they play them in the 3rd, a whole 5 days after playing at Marshal. The addition of W MI makes seven bowl teams WVU plays next season. While it's not laiden with Big 10, Big 12, or Pac 10 foes, it's still an improvement over last year.
Tomcat said:
posted on February 2, 2007 10:46 PM — 66.142.89.150 — link — abuse?
Hey Tommie T Wichita is a great place for a football fan.Youre right inbetween Stillwater and Manhatten and not to far from Tulsa.You can see alot of XII action Ok-State and K-State.Your probably closer to Fayeteville than Lincoln.
Just remember OU-Sux
Tulsa Golden Hurricanes with T Grahm-HC interestingksuwild said:
posted on February 3, 2007 1:48 AM — 71.237.67.235 — link — abuse?
Tommie T,
There may not be a whole lot of "fireworks" going on in Kansas, it's certainly not much to drive through.......but one thing is for sure.......what makes the state of Kansas great is the people. I was born in Manhattan(it's in my blood)and raised in Missouri but I have traveled the world while in the USAF(currently live in Colorado where I plan to stay)but I must say that the people I have met from Kansas are some of the nicest most down to earth people I have ever met. When/If you leave my guess is you will hold the friends you made there as close as any.
Another thing.......Kansas State Football, and it's fans are contagious(Heads high when times are bad, Humble when times are good)they are truly a class act. Go to a K-State game, and then go to Aggieville in downtown Manhattan afterwards and you will leave wanting MORE.
OU Fan said:
posted on February 3, 2007 4:28 PM — 84.146.54.52 — link — abuse?
Tomcat post 341, at least your Longhorns do not play Ohio State next season. Also, they're lucky that they play Kansas State and Nebraska in Austin, but they're unlucky because they play at Oklahoma State, at Texas A&M, and of course, they play your favorite team, the Oklahoma Sooners. And Tomcat, I know you truly are a Sooners fan, but to me it seems that you're in in denial right now and thats ok. Go Sooners!
Tomcat said:
posted on February 3, 2007 11:34 PM — 66.142.89.150 — link — abuse?
OU Fan Man you really have me laughing outloud now.In denial? Thats purty funny dude.
Yes you right, we dont play Ohio State this year, and the Horns went 1 and 1 against the Buckeyes. The Sooners dont play Oregon do they?
The Sooners are 1 and 1 against the Ducks.
The Sooners dont face the mighty TCU Horned Frogs this year, thank goodness we all know what happened last time.The Horns will face TCU early in the season at home, hey it aint OhSU, but still a real good ranked team.
In the History of the XII Nebraska has only one victory on the road against a team from the south.
That was their miraculous 1 point victory at Kyle feild last year, sound familiar? Yes we have the Cowboys in Stillwater and the Aggies at Kyle feild.What happened the last time the Horns went to Stillwater or Kyle Feild? Victories
Its all good dude even though yall lost against Texas the last two years and also lost your bowl game, yall are still one of the top three teams from Oklahoma and one of the top six in the XII south.
Hookem-Horns
Sicem-Bears Gigem-AggiesOU Fan said:
posted on February 4, 2007 6:22 AM — 84.146.72.117 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, Oklahoma is actually 6-1 against Oregon, 6-4 against TCU, and being that this past season was the first time that OU and Boise State had met, the Sooners are 0-1 against the Broncos. OU faces Miami in Norman this season and the Sooners are 2-3 against the Hurricanes. But whats scary is that the Sooners are 14-7-1 against the Tulsa Golden Hurricanes. Go Sooners!
OU Fan said:
posted on February 4, 2007 6:32 AM — 84.146.61.240 — link — abuse?
KSUwild post #328, I had to do a little research on your post and here is what my sources tell me: Oklahoma and Kansas State have played each other from 1908-2005, which is a total of 89 games. During those 89 games, OU leads the series with a record of 68-17-4. And on your post #328, you said "I would hardly say the Sooners own the Wildcats, but you can hang on to that notion if it makes you feel better." KSUwild, to me it seems that the Sooners do own the Wildcats, and I will hang on to that notion because it does make me feel better :) ! Go Sooners!
ksuwild said:
posted on February 4, 2007 2:36 PM — 135.214.40.68 — link — abuse?
OU Fan,
Going all the way back to the MVIAA(Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletics Association)days huh. That's cool man.......you went ahead and pulled an IrishJT on me. Quoting history from before my Grandfather was born. I don't think it's a mystery to anyone that Kansas States history in football hasn't been the greatest in the past.
Since the mid 90's we have been very competitive with your Sooners though. In 2000 when you won the NC we played you better than Florida St. did. You know what happened in 2003 so I won't kick a dead horse. Anyway, good research.......I can appriciate smack talk that is backed up with facts.
Tomcat said:
posted on February 5, 2007 2:36 AM — 66.142.89.150 — link — abuse?
OU Fan & ksuwild Yea your right ksuwild, anceint history does kinda sound like JTIrish.
# 349 Hey man I was talking about the last two years not OU vs UO all time.When you go back to the horse & buggy days Texas has a losing record against Syracuse and Vanderbuilt.If we scheduled those guys nowadays we would be critisized.
Texas has a winning record against our biggest rivals
Oklahoma 57-39
Arkansas 55-21
Tex A&M 73-35
Tex Tech 42-14
TCU 60-20
Baylor 70-22
Rice 67-21
SMU 47-22
XII opponents
Neb 7-4
Iowa St 6-0
K U 6-2
Missu 15-5
Ok St 19-2
SEC
Alabama 7-0
UGa 3-1
LSU 9-7
This can go on OU fan, its kinda silly however
K-State 5-4 Oregon 4-1
Miami 2-2
I guess the Horns own OU, A&M etc. etc
however we are just 5-4 vs K State
Hookem-HornsJT said:
posted on February 5, 2007 6:01 PM — 205.221.67.193 — link — abuse?
Tomcat #331:
TCU -- AP National Champs in 1938, Co-Champs in one Method 1935, great teams in the '50s, SWC Co-Champs as late as 1994
In terms of national championships, TCU is equal to A&M (outright 1939, one method 1919) and holds 2 more title claims than either Baylor or Tech.
http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_football_past_champs.html
Did the Frogs get snubbed? You better believe it! Where is the Baylor or Texas Tech national title?
Plus, you don't see the Frogs on a crusade AGAINST policies that advocate academic success like Baylor's old coach Grant Teaff:
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=tb-transfertrouble060606&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
What a winner!
Zac said:
posted on February 8, 2007 10:42 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
PSU=Nat'l Chumps, etc: Just kidding, my friend. I’m a WVU alum, but have always had a special place in my heart for Joe Pa, ever since I learned the phrase college football. There may be a few out there who love this sport as much, but there are none who love it more than this man. I enjoyed the interview with him this past December. When asked if he might retire soon, he answered with a question? "What is there for a guy my age to do, play cards, read, hunt, fish? I enjoy what I'm doing; I might as well keep right on doing it." While that wasn't an exact quote, you get the picture. I don't think the Lions have enough to take the title this time around. Then again, I've been wrong before. So, if Joe Pa won it all just once more, even if it were against my Mountaineers, that would be alright with me.
Zac said:
posted on February 9, 2007 4:36 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy: Looks like your gators really have it going on all cylinders. Football wins the NC; the BB team looks awesome. Now, you're telling me the lady gators are ranked #1 in gymnastics, in the same conference where it's been GA year after year. I think that's saying something. I don’t know if your boys will repeat as football National Champions. But just for grins, how's the swim team doing? To my surprise, my Mountaineers are ranked. That I know of, other than individual rankings, the WVU swim team has never been ranked. It's like the commercial says, "Thousands of student athletes are turning pro in something other than sports." Congrats!!!
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on February 10, 2007 2:49 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Gator Hip, joking aside, whoever Florida's A.D. is they deserve a lot of credit... usually the sports media makes Too Much out certian things, they get carried away with 'build-up', so its kinda strange that what the Florida Program has accomplished hasnt gotten the attention/praise that it merits.
... even compared to say... Utah producing the No. 1 Draft choice in the NFL and in the NBA a couple of years ago.Keith said:
posted on February 11, 2007 12:31 AM — 71.203.36.219 — link — abuse?
Florida lost 9 of 11 on defense....and the better quarterback (sorry gator fans, but tebow hasn't proved to be more than a one-trick pony yet) I don't see them winning it all in 07, even with the great freshman class....making them a preseason #1 is just a bandwagon pick!!!!
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Jeremy said:
posted on January 9, 2007 8:51 AM — 65.82.138.66 — link — abuse?I think one team your missing out on is South Flordia, I think they will make a splash and climb their way to a top 25 ranking