March 13, 2008

Fanblogs Open Thread

Open thread... ya better bring it.

Posted by Kevin Donahue

Comments:

War Eagle Atlanta said:
posted on March 13, 2008 11:56 AM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?

Kevin: I know you're upset that the JoPa thread quickly became a discussion of the Coaching Race of Death (CRD), but the reality these days is that any mention of either coach is going to inexorably bring up discussion of the other and the race. Unfortunately, you couldn't seperate those two issues with a pile driver.

Couple that with the fact that I haven't seen any Penn State fans on here in month--other than that Psi Chi guy--and we just don't know enough about the Nittany Lions to have a robust discussion of their and/or JoPa's future. We were destined to run that thread off the road like a 12 year old with a learner's permit. At least we kept it about football, which in the off-season, is saying something...
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on March 13, 2008 1:31 PM — 74.185.133.40 — link — abuse?

I've been reading the AJC college football aritcles and blogs a lot while FB has been "closed" and I've come to one painful opinion...

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution should relocate to Athens.

Kevin, what happened? Did somebody hit a nerve? If it was me, my deepest apologies, broheme!
Kevin Donahue said:
posted on March 13, 2008 3:51 PM — link — abuse?

We played no blood, no foul where I grew up, guys. ;)
TampaGator said:
posted on March 13, 2008 4:23 PM — 71.101.63.118 — link — abuse?

"...We played no blood, no foul where I grew up, guys. ..."

Whatever.

Second any mud gets slung FSU way, bam! down goes the thread. Sounds like crying foul to me.

As WEA pointed out, any mention of Bowden or JoPa is an express invitation to discus
the other. They're neck & neck, approaching the twilight of their respective careers, to see who ends with the most wins. A thread about JoPa retiring veering to Bowden is as predictable and therefore on point, as any thread about Notre Dame evolving to a discussion about the inequity of CFB finances.

At least admit it; you control the blog, and you will not tolerate any defamatory comments about St. Bobby. Any such commentary will result in the immediate termination of the subject thread, and the opening of new diversionery threads.

No blood no foul...

...fresh.

GO GATORS!!

PS--so long feller bloggies! I'm sure I dun just bought myself an extended stay in FB pokey!
OU-Ron said:
posted on March 13, 2008 4:47 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse?

Tomcat, in reference to your post on the previous open post thread # 293---looks like you can trace your family history back a way's, that was almost like reading the book " Lonesome Dove "

@ 297 WEA, I have no idea what happened to that post, all I did was copied the link and pasted, I think Kevin must have waved his magic wand over it and changed it to read as it did--I can't take credit for it...

@302 40 Acres, thanks for the alert on the recruit that was arrested, although I think most Sooner fans knew all about it way before you posted that link.

I'm sure you just wanted to let the Sooner fans know that one of their future players was a criminal, right ???
War Eagle Atlanta said:
posted on March 13, 2008 4:48 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?

I don't draw blood from people as often as I draw tears of frustration...

I don't think Kevin is attempting to censor comments about FSU, it's more like he's attempting to herd cats, keeping us all talking football on most of these threads. Trying to do that is like tending kindergarteners during recess--we're running around every which damn way.

I'm guilty of going off-topic a lot, so I apologize. However, sometimes, when we've said all we can about football, we just want to cut up with our fellow home slices, and it can get pretty silly. During the season, that's not good, but during the Spring, if it keeps the regulars coming back, then okay, I guess.

Tampa Gator: I'm sorry, you're not going to be allowed to leave quite yet. Since you are a part-time Notre Dame spear-catcher, we're going to need you to stay on for another tour and defend the Golden Dome until Irish JT comes back or we field a new crop of ND defenders of the faith. If that doesn't work, we may have to institute a draft to get more Irish fans in-country...

Ramblin: As a neutral observer, I can say with no reservations that the AJC is heavily slanted towards Georgia over Georgia Tech. That bias is exactly the reason I've chosen GT to be my part-time team, in spite of me being an SEC guy and raised a Dawg fan.
Kevin Donahue said:
posted on March 13, 2008 4:51 PM — link — abuse?

@Tampa - Not at all. A quick check through threads and you'll find that *I* was the one blasting Bowden and FSU several times last month. Paint it anyway *you* like, but I think I made my reasoning clear.
40 Acres of Burnt Orange said:
posted on March 13, 2008 5:24 PM — 192.91.75.30 — link — abuse?

Came across this hilarious take of what celebrities that get trapped in Oklahoma may look like:

http://www.wintrest.com/if-celebs-moved-to-oklahoma/

OU Ron i just wanted to inform all the Boomers and Burnt Orange heads that OU currently leads the way of offseason arrests 1-0. War Eagle thought that he scooped me on the arrest, silly boy!

WAE, loved the kindergardeners line.

HookEmHorns!
Kevin Donahue said:
posted on March 13, 2008 5:29 PM — link — abuse?

@WEA - Herding cats?? LOL. I understand it's kind of the "silly season" and threads are going to get way off track, but yeah - it would be more ideal to keep them on topic (hence the very regular open threads during the off-season).

At the end of the day, it's all yall's blog. I just start the music for yall to freestyle.
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on March 13, 2008 5:56 PM — 74.185.133.40 — link — abuse?

#3: Kevin, didn't you grow up in the Tampa bay area? I grew up in Bradenton (not that I'm proud of that fact - other than Manatee High School being a football mecca).

#4: TampaGator, I'll come to Kev's defense and note that I have larded his holiness, lord-god Bobby Bowden several times and Kevin has't put me in FB jail - yet! :-)
War Eagle Atlanta said:
posted on March 13, 2008 6:24 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?

Good analogy. Fanblogs is like one big boot-scootin', shin-digging, slam-dancing, freak-dance and Kevin is our DJ. Except every now and then he lays down a polka track...
Big Tide said:
posted on March 13, 2008 7:17 PM — 12.208.88.211 — link — abuse?

Man I miss college football! Haven't checked in lately but good to see the same crew still hanging around. Heck I even missed TE talking smack so you know I'm in need of therapy. Speaking of TE, who didn't think Turtleneck was going to figure out a way to get that kid back on the team. Miles should move that boy into a special room and keep a guard on him 24/7.

Saban has his coaches clinic coming up in a few weeks and Bill Belichick is headlining a stellar group. Hopefully that will score a few points with the high school coaches. A Day Game right around the corner. Time to start cobia fishing and dreaming about September....
OU-Ron said:
posted on March 13, 2008 7:43 PM — 68.12.216.68 — link — abuse?

WEA, this is for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl8ajhu_e5Y
Bevo Boy said:
posted on March 13, 2008 8:09 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?

War Eagle, the immunity that you offered, is it a lifelong immunity? If it is, I'll take the trade.

Anybody else think that we need to get a countdown to the first game of the season on the home page? Kevin, if you don't want to do it, it's fine, I just thought I'd throw that out there.

Also, have any of you guys ever played golf in good weather but there were still patches of snow on the course? My golf team had our first practice today and that's how the course was. There wasn't that much and it was melting fast, but still, it was weird. I played pretty well, though, if anyone cares.
Bevo Boy said:
posted on March 13, 2008 8:17 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?

Quick question, if you're a member on here, are you a member on rivals? I'm pretty sure it costs money on there, and, if this makes you a member there, I may have a found a loophole to the system.
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on March 13, 2008 8:37 PM — 74.185.133.40 — link — abuse?

OU-Ron, my favorite statement on Texas politics was Kinky Friedman's gubernatorial poster:

Kinky for Texas Governor...
How hard could it be?
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 13, 2008 8:39 PM — 76.100.57.43 — link — abuse?

Bevo Boy,

Being a FanBlogs member does not make you a Rivals member. You have to create an account there and set yourself up a password.

There are a few different options to read and post on Rivals.

1.) You can pay 10.00 a month to read the "premium articles" at the school of your choice.

2.) You can pay 100 bucks at once and get to read the premium articles for a year. Saving you 20 bucks if you pay in one lump sum.

3.) You can join for "free" and are able yo post but you do not have access to the premium articles.

I hope this helpss you?
Zac said:
posted on March 13, 2008 8:40 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?

Gator Hippy, I hope you pop on here eventually, because I wasn't done with you, in regards to our debate on Bowden or Paterno. Recognizing your opinions as being just that, I'll say that I am willing to agree to disagree. I must also add that I am neither naive nor uninformed. My opinions usually take a less cynical road than yours do.

I refer you to the Paterno Discusses Retirement thread, Post 18.

"Then it should pain them to see what they have been putting their programs through for the last few years while possibly damaging the development of what could be great players..."

Instead of a "few" years back, lets go back 6. In that span FSU went 50-28; all were winning seasons, and half were 9 or 10 win seasons. During the same time frame Penn St went 45-29. Other than suffering through 2 back-to-back loosing seasons, they won 9 games 3 times and 11 games once.

Now, I don't know what success looks like to some people, and yes, the last 3 seasons for FSU have been mediocre. I don't see where that means these two men have become the ruination of their respective teams, let alone the ruination each individual who plays for them.

Besides, I don't recall either saying anything to the effect of, "I intend to retire the winningest coach of all time. Before I can do that, the other guy will have to retire." Until one, the other, or both makes such a statement, I choose to believe their motivation for staying in the game is due to their love of the game. Given there's as much fact as there is conjecture to back that up, such a belief is logical, not na�ve. Given your belief that they're chasing the record is based solely upon conjecture (unless you can show me something to the contrary), logical a theory though it be (Actions do speak louder than words.) it's still a theory. Until proven, it shall remain as such. But then, like everything else on here, that's just my opinion.
Zac said:
posted on March 13, 2008 8:56 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?

Big Tide, Diggs, what HO!?! Haven't had the pleasure in a while.

Diggs, do you have any information on WVU's latest walk-ons? One is a 6'3" 285 lb lineman who played for a good sized school with a successful record over the past 4 years. The other is a receiver with decent stats, but is coming out of a much smaller high school. Do you have anything to add on either?

Big Tide, at least we got spring ball to look forward to. I would love to be able to take the opportunity to come down there and join the 93,000 frenzied Bamma faithful just to take in what that's like. I wish WVU would fill their stadium for the final spring scrimmage, if for no other reason; the proceeds go to a children's hospital.

Ramblin Gator, though I have a great deal of respect and admiration for BB & JoePa, I don't regard either as St's. I mean, lets face it. One steels hamburgers from unsuspecting 3rd string lineman; the other beats people to death with that terrible finger of his.

BTW, if anyone just wants to chat, my wife's in Houston this weekend; has good friends down there. So, I'll be checking in a little more than usual.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 13, 2008 9:08 PM — 76.100.57.43 — link — abuse?

Zac,

The WR is none other than Ryan Nehlen. You guessed it...Don's Grandson.

The OL you're talking about is David Vetanze, a Wheeling Park HS Graduate.

Personally my favorite walkon is Jordan Roberts, he played at Scott High School and Rivals has him running a 4.46

Supposedly Army and Boston College offered him as well. Although I can't confirm if true?

I do know one thing, he was a beast in WV High School Football. Unstoppable. Anyway, here's the complete list.

Jordan Roberts DB 5-11/198lbs Scott HS Scott WV

Josh Culbertson FB 5-11/220 Nitro HS Nitro WV

Matt Lindamood FB/LB 6-1/215lbs Parkersburg HS Parkersburg WV

Andy Thomas DB 6-0/190lbs Parkersburg HS Parkersburg WV

Ryan Nehlen WR 6-1/190lbs University HS Morgantown WV

David Vetanze OL 6-3/285lbs Wheeling Park HS Wheeling WV

J.B. Lageman DE 6-4/230lbs Huntington HS Huntington WV

Tent Lusk LS 6-3/230lbs Morgantown HS Morgantown WV

Josh Contraguerro LB 6-1/210lbs Wheeling Central HS Wheeling WV

Alex Peluchette QB 6-3/180lbs Wheeling Central HS Wheeling WV

Chris Martin RB 5-11/190lbs Wheeling Central HS Wheeling WV

Later Zac.
Zac said:
posted on March 13, 2008 9:39 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?

Diggs, the WR I'm looking for information on is WVU's latest find, John Marshall's, Mark Sampson, Jr. As a Sr, he snared 77 passes for 860 yards and 10 TD's (Career: 163 catches, 1,977 yards, 20 TD's), but that's all that's been said about him. By chance do you have more on this guy?
Tomcat said:
posted on March 13, 2008 10:26 PM — 68.94.172.238 — link — abuse?

#5 Thanks OURon Ya I too sometimes get a little off track and consider myself somewhat of a history buff.As I told you once before alot of McMurty's stuff comes out of J.Frank Dobie's books like "The Longhorns". Dont let the title keep you from reading a truly remakable peice of American literature written by a real South Texas Icon. Another one of my favorites is "I'll die before I'll run". A non-fiction documentary about the reconstruction and the fueds in central Texas. The Taylor-Sutton fued in Dewitt and Gonzales counties was between the South Texas cowboys Taylors,Clements,Hardins and the new State police{Federalist}and the Suttons and Tomlinsons etc.etc. and their factions.
Many horrible atrocities were committed by both sides.
Oh No I messed up, guess I'll have restrained or do I qualify for ammunity?
Sorry Kev back on subject
Glad you opened this thing back up, guess I'll try to stay on course.
College Football

Hookem-Horns
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 13, 2008 10:30 PM — 76.100.57.43 — link — abuse?

The only thing I have on Sampson is that he has received an invited walk-on letter and at a recent combine in sPittsburgh he put up these numbers:

Height: 5-10

Weight: 161

Short Shuttle: 4.22

40-Yard Dash: 4.60

Vertical Jump: 30.0"

3-Cone: 6.90

Broad Jump: 9-2

Sorry Zac, but that 's all I have on him....If I hear something of value on him I'll let ya now.
1st_and_NOLE said:
posted on March 13, 2008 10:54 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?

Nigel Bradham benched 400+ lbs a week or so ago as a true freshmen. Just thought I'd throw something random out there.
Zac said:
posted on March 13, 2008 11:15 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?

Just friggen great!!! Well, Diggs, I just heard this season's starting RB, Noel Devine, and his back-up, Jock Sanders, along with a couple of DB's got arrested for battery stemming from an altercation out side a local bar. What could be going on here? Does the spot-light simply blind kids from doing what's right, or does the heat from it fry their brain, resulting in this kind of stupidity? One might think, when high profile kids travel in a group, at least one of their buddies would step up and police the rest. No; it's like a disease; they all catch it.

I know. It's not a felony. It's only a misdemeanor. It's not that big a deal. Right? WRONG!!! Because if they take that attitude, the potential to loose all becomes that much greater. Bill Stewart, ya better put the fear of God into em now, or you'll be playing 3rd and 4th stringers come game time.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 14, 2008 2:08 AM — 76.100.57.43 — link — abuse?

Zac,

Calm down, everything's alright. The altercation happened around a month ago now and after an investigation 1 cop wouldn't let it go and the "instigator" of the whole thing is trying to press charges for battery. There is video of the event and Noel and Jock have pleaded no contest already. The story pretty much boils down to guys being out at a club and the typical instigator the "alleged" victim in this case started a confrontation and got k.o.'d. Then end. People can spin it all they want but there's video and not much is likely to happen with this.

However, I agree whole heartedly with you Zac. These guys have to be smarter than this....and just let it go when a drunken idiot is causing problems, and that's what happened.
Tomcat said:
posted on March 14, 2008 3:14 AM — 68.94.172.238 — link — abuse?

#8 40 acres thanks for the link, sorry but I dont keep up with all that celebrity stuff, I didnt realize how many were from Oklahoma.
I also enjoyed looking at the cheerleaders from another thread-WOW-thanks
#11 WareagATl Polka Track? more like the chicken dance or bunny hop- na just kiddin
BTW your right about the Joe Pa's thread, not too many PSU regulars on here,we dont really know much about possible replacements or PSU assistant coaches waiting in the wings.
I can understand that coaching & football is the mans whole life and he should only leave when he feels ready to do so.He is still very capable and loves what he is doing.
BTW I cant say that Kev is the DJ its more like owns the jutebox an we can request that different songs are played from time to time and he can discard old stuff that he's tired of listening too.The hits just keep on coming! Rock on Kev
Adios Tomcat
Big Tide said:
posted on March 14, 2008 7:23 AM — 12.208.88.211 — link — abuse?

Zac, wife away, that means cold beer and a warm grill. Yeah, we've got A-Day coming up. Alan Jackson is playing a concert the night prior to the game. Very interested to see how WVU's new coach comes out this year. I will certainly be pulling for the Mountaineers. I really like that guy. I have only one wish and it is the same for every school - that nobody gets hurt. That is the worst thing about spring football. Other than that, I'm ready.
Kevin Donahue said:
posted on March 14, 2008 9:20 AM — link — abuse?

@ Ramblin - Yeah, Tampa for HS.

@ Bevo - You can join Rivals for free and read most of the articles and most of the message boards for every team, plus the recruiting content. You can get a free seven day trial right now, too.
OU-Ron said:
posted on March 14, 2008 9:38 AM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse?

40 Acres, I could tell by your comments that you were concerned about the future of the OU recruit Jarboe, so here is the latest news...

http://newsok.com/article/3216068/1205465820
TampaGator said:
posted on March 14, 2008 11:14 AM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?

Kev/#7:

A quick look at day-before-yesterday's blogs showed 2 threads shut down almost simultaneously in response to Bowden v. Paterno discussion, on grounds that they were "off topic" (Paterno + retirement = Bowden + retirement = who ends with most wins; simple math--shown exactly 2 posts in, by Auburn Fan--who has no dog in the fight). How one can conclude that Bowden is off topic in Paterno/retirement thread is inexplicable.

Hence it appeared you must be acting thin-skinned--directly opposite of what you claimed in your #2 post above--so calling you out seemed appropriate.

Hey, no blood, no foul, right?

I'll hand it to you though--your track record over the long haul has been pretty solid in terms of objectivity, and letting folks have at it--even when Bowden and/or FSU are in the mix.

Re.#29: Buc fan? Lightning? Rays? Bulls?Rowdies? Mutiny? Tarpins? Yankees?
______________________________________________

WEA/#6:

"... part-time Notre Dame spear-catcher..."

Funny! You'll note I usually only chime in when the mob forms, and no one else steps up to the plate (so much of the anti-ND sentiment is based on all kinds of flawed factual bases--blind hatred, when it comes down to it). I have a more of a soft spot for ND, than I am a legit fan--based on, as I've stated before, their unique place in Americana.

GO GATORS!!

PS--if this post takes, must mean I wasn't banished to the pokey (props to kev).
War Eagle Atlanta said:
posted on March 14, 2008 11:50 AM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?

Ron: I'm glad someone picked up on all my Best Little Whorehouse comments I was making. I wonder how George W. felt about the Chicken Ranch when he was governor> His predecessor, Ann Richards, probably worked there in her early days, before electricity... (JK, Ann. RIP)

Bevo: Yes, a free one week trial at Rivals. And if you act within the next twenty minutes, they'll throw in a set of bamboo wind chimes absolutely free--a $15 value! Not available in stores, call now! 1-800-GUL-IBLE

BTW: Immunity is lifetime, but only from Lennie. Since he's your antithesis, it ain't half bad!

T-Gator: See, nothing wrong with that. I actually learned a few things about ND from you. Maybe if they don't lose 9 games this year we might pick up a few Irish fans to beat on again...

Diggs: Welcome back! Long cruise, Sailor?
War Eagle Atlanta said:
posted on March 14, 2008 11:58 AM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?

T-Gator: I missed the first part of your post. Yea, maybe you're on to something. There's been quite a few threads where I've had the last post before it was shut down. Hmmmm...

Big Tide: Even I'd sit through a damn Alabama spring game to see Alan Jackson in concert again! :-)
40 Acres of Burnt Orange said:
posted on March 14, 2008 3:43 PM — 192.91.75.29 — link — abuse?

Thanks for the update OU-Ron, im still a little suprised that OU is still offering him a schoalrship despite that those two counts are felonies. Actually no im not suprised :)

HookEmHorns!
OU-Ron said:
posted on March 14, 2008 4:00 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse?

40 Acres, you shouldn't be surprised, Mack didn't suspend any of his felons until they were proven guilty, Stoops will probably do the same..

After all, Macks felons was already on the team and some had been there for 2 or 3 years, this kid hasn't even enrolled yet..
War Eagle Atlanta said:
posted on March 14, 2008 4:23 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?

I think by committing this crime, Ron, he was trying for the 'early enrollment' at OU. Some kids are just more motivated like that... :-)

He might want to consider keeping the guns in the trunk of his car when he gets to Norman. I'm sure a lot of students there are armed, like they are at Auburn.

You guys kill me!
gatorhippy said:
posted on March 14, 2008 5:29 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?

Zac (#18):

LMAO...

Where do I start with that mess...

"I hope you pop on here eventually, because I wasn't done with you, in regards to our debate on Bowden or Paterno"...

Now that sounds a bit overly aggressive for you, bud...

"I must also add that I am neither naive nor uninformed"...

Probably depends on what we're discussing...

Self admittedly, I am naive and unimformed about many things, assuredly, as I know I have not the knowledge of all things...

Am I to assume that you do then?

Either way...

I don't believe I ever said you were naive or unimformed...

But if you believe that either one of these two is sticking around for the poops and snorts of tossing around the pigskin, I think you may be...

"Instead of a "few" years back, lets go back 6. In that span FSU went 50-28; all were winning seasons, and half were 9 or 10 win seasons. During the same time frame Penn St went 45-29. Other than suffering through 2 back-to-back loosing seasons, they won 9 games 3 times and 11 games once"...

Ok, that's fine and dandy but let's not stop there...

Let's look at the 6 years before that as well and compare where they have gone over the 6 that you reference (which I have corrected)...

1995 - 2000
FSU .891 (66-8)
PSU .718 (51-20)

In the above time span, FSU ranked #1 in the country in winning percentage while PSU came in at a respectable #13...

Over the six years that you reference...

2001 - 2007
FSU .644 (58-32)
PSU .588 (51-20)

Dropping both programs to #25 & #37 respectively...

Dropping 25 spots in win percentage is successful, Zac!?!?!?!?

Surely you can't believe that...

"Now, I don't know what success looks like to some people, and yes, the last 3 seasons for FSU have been mediocre. I don't see where that means these two men have become the ruination of their respective teams, let alone the ruination each individual who plays for them"...

Oh wait...

I guess you do believe that dropping 25 spots in win % from one six year span to the next IS successful...

And I certainly didn't say that either would be the "ruination" of their programs or players as you imply...

What was stated by me in post #14 on the thread in question was:

"Unfortunately, it is about WINS...

Especially to these two...

The problem being is that neither one is doing much of it on a consistent basis and allowing their arrogance and stubborness to get in the way of what is best for their programs...

The big picture indicates that the futures of young men should be more important than personal acheivement"...

As you can see, I'm merely pointing out that their unwillingness to step aside is not in the best interest for the program or the players that come through it...

Nothing said about it being the "ruination" of football as we know it in Tally & Happy Valley...

Please don't try to "put words in my mouth"...

"Besides, I don't recall either saying anything to the effect of, "I intend to retire the winningest coach of all time. Before I can do that, the other guy will have to retire." Until one, the other, or both makes such a statement, I choose to believe their motivation for staying in the game is due to their love of the game"...

And the guy on the T.V. doesnt say anything to the effect of:

"After you send me this money for starving children in Katmandu, I intend to keep half of it for myself for more personal gain, pay off my staff with 3/8 of it, keep my virtual office space and marketing going with a sixteenth and bleed the rest down to those hungry brats for a nice plate of 3 rice grains and an apple core to tide them over for the week just to keep the government off my back"...

But yet you don't send him money...

Do you?

And do you really think that Bill Clinton "did not have sexual realtions with that woman"?

I mean, Ken Starr really never proved anything...

People don't always speak directly forward of their actions and intentions...

Which leads me to...

"Given there's as much fact as there is conjecture to back that up, such a belief is logical, not na�ve"...

Ummm...

Where is the fact in what you stated?

You simply said you believe that they are there for the love of the game and would do so until they came out and said they are in it for the record...

I didn't see any cold hard fact in there...

Given your belief that they're chasing the record is based solely upon conjecture (unless you can show me something to the contrary), logical a theory though it be (Actions do speak louder than words.) it's still a theory"...

I'm at a crossroads here...

I can either delve into a drawn out pointed rhetoric on human nature; full of Lockian and Platonic philosophical principles on the subject coupled with Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs and how it all applies to the situation we are discussing...

Or I can just refer you back to my post #20 for the extremely watered down version...

Yeah...

I'll opt for the latter...
Zac said:
posted on March 14, 2008 8:58 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?

Gator Hippy, well, I guess you told me......in about a hundred lines. (And here was I thinking I'm the one who has a problem with brevity.) At least I got a laugh out of ya. (Apologies, by the way for what appeared to be an attempt to put words in your mouth. It was perhaps an unfair interpretation, much like your interpretation as to Bowden's & Paterno's motivation for staying in college football.)

Ultimately, what this boils down to is what one chooses to believe. Based upon your view of human nature, things you've seen, read, or heard, and the very real truth college football is big business and sadly is all about wins, you've chosen one view. Based upon a lack of evidence to the contrary, and perhaps a more idealistic attitude, I've chosen the other. Two different people, two different views; it takes all kinds to make a world. I'd like to think you and I are two who make it great. (Well, I don't know about me; suffice it to say I CHOOSE to believe you help to make it great.)

Now, I am a bit confused (I know; there's a surprise.) regarding your reference to children in 3rd world countries. While I don't believe for one minute Clinton wasn't involved in illicit activities (Testimony exists from multiple individuals to that effect, including his own.), I don't see the connection to Bowden or Paterno.

And furthermore...

"I can either delve into a drawn out pointed rhetoric on human nature; full of Lockian and Platonic philosophical principles on the subject coupled with Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs and how it all applies to the situation we are discussing..."

Ah, never mind. Always good hearin from ya. (Maybe I should stick to AAAAAAAFLAAAAAAK!!!!)
Zac said:
posted on March 14, 2008 9:09 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?

OOPS, almost forgot, GH, in answer to your question regarding the "neither naive nor uninformed," that's strictly the Bowden/Paterno thing. I'm a poor dictionary at best, let alone a poor encyclopedia. (Heck, I don't think I rate 10% of the Index.)
OU-Ron said:
posted on March 14, 2008 9:39 PM — 68.12.216.68 — link — abuse?

Must be a slow night for GH tonight...
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on March 14, 2008 10:50 PM — 74.185.133.40 — link — abuse?

#19: Zac, Sorry if I wasn't clear in my remark. My reference to "his holiness, lord-god Bobby Bowden" is a sarcastic reference to the regal treatment BB receives from the press in Florida. The recent academic scandal at FSU has focused more negativity on Tallahassee than I've seen before, so maybe the halo don't fit no more.

#25/26: Zac&Diggs, aw crap! I hate to hear that Devine is having off-field problems. That guy is a freakin' warrior-poet on the field.

#31: TampaGator, I was a Bucs fan back when that was a painful experience. Back in the day, I used to love the Rowdies, too. Almost as much as I loved the Wowdies.

http://www.tampabayrowdies.com/Wowdies/wowdies0004.htm
Tomcat said:
posted on March 14, 2008 11:10 PM — 68.94.172.238 — link — abuse?

Well guys I guess Im the one thats confused, I've tryed to go back and read yall's posts and try to understand.What the heck.
Hey OURon I must be the one thats uninformed, because I cant figure out what the heck former presidents and starving children have to do with college football coaches replacements.
#35 Mack better start playing more freshman, because there are too many of these boys leaving early with one to two years of eligability left.
The mentality must change in Austin, because to red-shirt these boys and then to have them only play a couple of years, limits the success for other boys who may think of the team instead of their own ambitions. I for one think that these boys leaving early sends a clear message to Davis, Mushcamp, Applewhite and the other assistants that every position is wide open and that you have to earn your spot, upperclassman or freshman doesnt matter anymore.
The old attitude of redshirt them, bring em in at the end of blowouts to get experience, let them play little and let the more experienced guys start has got to change. Between injuries, acedemic problems, behavioral problems and kids leaving early. The Texas football team that you see this year will be completely different and the coaches understand the urgency of utilizing these prospects while they can.
So folks get ready, because every game on the Longhorns schedule with no exceptions will be like a championship game.
Hookem-Horns
Okay G-Hip & Zac neither guy with a dog in the PSU fight, isnt it cost effective for a program to keep the incumbant head coach? As some other fans have alluded to, be careful what you ask for when considering a coaching change.
Some places like Arkansas and Texas A&M are just two examples of winning programs that have changed coaches. HMM- time will tell
Early prediction the Horns will beat the Hogs & Aggies this year
Hookem-Horns
1st_and_NOLE said:
posted on March 15, 2008 12:11 AM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?

There's only two souls on this earth that know why JoPa and Bowden are still coaching. Those two souls are JoPa's and Bowden's.

Now, the EASY thing to say (and what most people assume) is that they're only doing it for the record. Maybe they are, maybe there's more to it. No one really knows. Again, it's just easier to say they're doing it for the record.

I don't have much insight into JoPa and his motives. Relatively speaking, I also don't have much incite into Bowden's motives. However, I know more about Bowden's personal life and history then I do JoPa's.

Each man has his own reasons. I'm sure they may be very different yet some very much the same.

Honestly, I think Bowden coaches because he feels he has to in order to do life's most basic yet complex function... live.

It's well documented Bobby Bowden idolized Alabama football and especially Bear Bryant. In fact, to this very day, on Bowden's desk in his office he has a football scrap book compiled on Alabama and Bear Bryant photos, articles, ect that he compiled when he was younger and as he was growing up. As most people know, the man Bowden idolized as a coach, died 28 days after he retired at age 69.

What most people probably don't realize is, Bobby's father was also a football coach. Much like Bear Bryant, Bobby's father died only 6 months after retiring as a football coach.

There's many cases of elderly people, like Bobby's father and Bear Bryant, passing away shortly after they retire from a life-long profession. Weather it's being a football coach, a cop, firemen, or whatever it may be, it's not completely uncommon.

I don't have a clue. Only Bowden knows deep down. Maybe there's a slight fear in Bowden that once he retires, his life will be over... literally.

Who knows, maybe JoPa feels the same type of thing.

Again, it's easy to sit back and say, "they're only doing it for the record." Hey, maybe they are.

However, it's a very real possibility there's much more to it then that.
Tomcat said:
posted on March 15, 2008 2:08 AM — 68.94.172.238 — link — abuse?

#32 WarEagAtL Trivia Question: Do you know why it was called the Chicken Ranch?
BTW It was closed way before Bush was Gov.
He was probably in Maine or at Yale during that time. The ZZ Top song was released about 73 or 74, it was the popularity of this song that prompted Mavin Zindler{ Houstons Carrie Nation} to bring his hatchet down, forcing poor working folks outdoors, embarassing a rural community and ending an American owned small business with alot of history.
#16 Ramblin-how about Why the Hell not, of course Kinky UT Grad the Gov Rick Perry- Tex A&M
Adios Tomcat
Tomcat said:
posted on March 15, 2008 3:16 AM — 68.94.172.238 — link — abuse?

#44 I made a few mistakes,up to this point I was relying on memory. It was a phone call from the Gov's office that prompted Zindler to visit.Although I firmly beleive that the popularity of the song help bring the establishments into the limelight-sorry Billy Gibbons.
Zindler received his phone tip after an investigation by the D.P.S. in 1972 in which they observed 484 people come & go in one day.
It was closed in August 1973 after being in operation since 1844.
Zac you can Wikipedia to find out more
Yes Texas A&M freshman were taken there as part of inesheation. pardon my spellin
OU-Ron said:
posted on March 15, 2008 8:40 AM — 68.12.216.68 — link — abuse?

@42 Tomcat, I don't know about you being confused, but you really do have me confused, I don't have a clue what you are talking about...

Former presidents and starving children, What ?????
OU-Ron said:
posted on March 15, 2008 8:43 AM — 68.12.216.68 — link — abuse?

WEA, I hope you and your family are safe, just found out on the news that a tornado hit Atlanta overnight.....
War Eagle Atlanta said:
posted on March 15, 2008 11:11 AM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?

Yea, I'm fine. War Eagle Atlanta actually lives in the suburbs, because there's no way in hell he would pay Atlanta city taxes...

It sure did a lot of damage downtown--hit near the Georgia Dome, where the SEC tournament was in play. I think they've moved some early games to Georgia Tech, at Alexander Coliseum, affectionally known as The Tit, because it looks like a big...uh, well....

I think some teams may have to play a double header today. The later games are scheduled back in the Dome, provided they can get it ready. Sure is going to be hell to get downtown today. I've already had two people call me and offer me their tickets because they don't want to have to attempt to go back down there and wade through that mess. Funny. Neither do I.

Have a friend and his family coming into down today and we were going to go to the aquarium tomorrow, but since that is right next door to the Dome, we can probably KO that idea.

Really strange for a tornado to make it into a large urban area. That just doesn't happen too often. What do they say is the ultimate nightmare scenario? Like a F5 twister going through Dallas or OK City? Scary!
Zac said:
posted on March 15, 2008 11:48 AM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?

OU-Ron & Tomcat, as intellectually challenged as I am, I'll try to explain. The G Hipster was using analogous logic to try and make his point that just because it wasn't said, or was said to the contrary, doesn't mean it didn't happen; i.e. where there's smoke, there's fire. Hence, his reference to starving children & that unforgettable quote, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

GH does make one solid point, however, and again, it's all in what you believe or what you're satisfied with. Since 1995, FSU's win percentage has significantly dropped off, along with their trips to BCS bowls. I can see where some would be bitterly disappointed with this. Going 66-8 in 5 years followed with 58-32 over the next seven is a trend in the wrong direction. (I think there's a Type-O regarding PSU stats.)

My thoughts on this: There are 119 BCS teams out there. The fans from teams consistently #'ed 51-119 would be thrilled if their respective teams were winning 45 games every 5-6 years, as with PSU or FSU over the last 6. But then, I'm easy to please. I'll look at a loss or 2 or 3 or 4 and determine each to be disappointing, but a 9-4 season with a bowl win is a good season, in my opinion. (You see; I remember those days when it was a lot worse.) So, I still see FSU & PSU as successful programs; they're just going through their respective slumps is all; and that happens to every top program. I also believe they're going to turn it around.

Which brings me to a team not often discussed: Temple. When was the last time this BCS team went to a BCS bowl, and which coach brought them there? (I didn't bother looking it up?) If ever there was a team which worked hard and never got any respect, not even from its fans, this is it. I can recall them having some decent seasons hither and yon over the past 35 years and still not attract more than 25,000 fans to their home games. It's why the Big East kicked them out, because (This is where GH is spot on.) sadly, college football is big business; it's all about winning; winning = dollars. Sadly, I think Temple is the only exception to that rule.

BTW, I saw the article on Atlanta & the Tornado as well. Given the damage, ya gotta figure somebody got hurt or worse. I hope that part of it is minimal.
Zac said:
posted on March 15, 2008 11:50 AM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?

Relieved to see you're OK, WarEagle!
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on March 15, 2008 4:14 PM — 74.185.133.40 — link — abuse?

#48: WEA, The Tit is also fondly know as The Alexander Mammorial Coliseum among the student body. It makes the same point (pun intended) while being a bit more PC for the coeds. For a few years, it had a shiny copper coating on the roof, and became known as The Brass Brassiere.
War Eagle Atlanta said:
posted on March 15, 2008 4:48 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?

Ha ha! I forgot about Mammorial being part of it's name! Too funny!
Tomcat said:
posted on March 15, 2008 7:34 PM — 70.243.65.191 — link — abuse?

OU Ron first part of post#42 was concerning the banter between G-Hip & Zac- sorry for the confusion, the meat of the post was about the UT football program. As far as felons etc etc,Post #35 its a sad reflection upon our soceity as a whole in general and the 18,19 and 20 year old boys who think its hip or cool to live the so-called gansta lifestyle, too bad that many of them screw up and do not realize the oppurtunity afforded to them as a scholarship student athelete. No university or program in this country is ammune from these behavioral problems including Texas & Oklahoma. It seems as though people and the media tend to focus on negative issues because bad news sells-plain & simple.
Like the old saying a few bad apples -if you will.I know why 40 acres was so quick to bring up these recent problems with recruits packing weapons, because I recall a certain OU fan bringing up other issues concering another teams off the feild issues.
God bless the good folks of Atlanta during their time of struggle and recovery
Hookem-Horns
OU Fan said:
posted on March 16, 2008 6:34 PM — 84.146.48.131 — link — abuse?

WEA, the largest tornado ever recorded in history was an F-5 tornado that hit the Oklahoma City metro area on May 3rd, 1999. The tornado worked its way northeast across the city. Hell, the damn tornado started I believe somewhere near Chickasha, OK which is less than an hour southwest of the OKC metro area. The tornado had recorded winds of up to 318 mph. Crazy huh. Go Sooners!
c-dogg said:
posted on March 16, 2008 6:51 PM — 76.188.145.131 — link — abuse?

Cut me some slack for this post....it's the offseason for football.

Ready 4 the BIG DANCE! The 2nd most exciting time of the sports year for me (outside of Miami Hurricane game day of course). For the record, I have been a UCLA BRUIN fan since 1994. Go Bruins!!

Also, congrats to the Miami Hurricane Basketball team. They are trying to make THE U a 3 sport powerhouse....where football and baseball rules.

Go Bruins!!! We have unfinished business in the FINAL 4!
40 Acres of Burnt Orange said:
posted on March 16, 2008 8:33 PM — 76.182.205.22 — link — abuse?

c-dogg great game earlier in the year with the Horns and Bruins, but i still don't understand how people are fans of their university but root for other universities teams in different sports. Can anyone fill me in? Everyone knows who i root for in college football, baseball, basketball, softball, volleyball, swimming, track, and golf. no matter how good or bad we are in the sport.

Sorry c-dogg don't mean to jump down your throat just a little agitated that i have to pay my jayhawk boss bucks for today's loss. Congrats to the Horns on their 11th straight tournament appearance.

HookEmHorns!
c-dogg said:
posted on March 16, 2008 8:42 PM — 76.188.145.131 — link — abuse?

Well 40 acres.....

I am a big fan of Miami football and baseball. 2 out of 3 aint bad. Texas is one of those rare schools who are a powerhouse in all 3 major sports....Miami is not.
40 Acres of Burnt Orange said:
posted on March 16, 2008 8:58 PM — 76.182.205.22 — link — abuse?

I was just wondering why you were a UCLA basketball fan instead of rooting for your Hurricanes? I wouldn't exactly call Texas a powerhouse in basketball. We have been pretty good under Rick Barnes, but we are 0-5 in big 12 tournament championship games and even UTEP (known then as Texas Western) has more national titles (1) in basketball than Texas (0) does.

HookEmHorns!
gatorhippy said:
posted on March 17, 2008 7:36 AM — 70.121.107.72 — link — abuse?

Zac & 1&Nole/SemiNat :

I'll leave it at this...

When one retires the other will only put in one more season at the most IF they are behind...

Take note and mark my words now...

If it doesn't happen that way, I'll print this comment out on paper and eat it on a posted YouTube video...

However, if (actually, WHEN) it happens that way, you gentelman shall comply in a similiar manner...

Deal?
War Eagle Atlanta said:
posted on March 17, 2008 11:40 AM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?

GH: I think you should add a clause that the deal is null and void if the surviving coach happens to die before that extra season is complete, but yea, sounds like a good bet.

I'm not a taker, however...
War Eagle Atlanta said:
posted on March 17, 2008 12:05 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?

Although daddy Kevin took the keys to the Paterno thread from us for crashing it into the garage door, it looks like it's becoming crunch time for Penn State to do something about JoPa's contract.

Tony Barnhart of the AJC says that one of three scenarios is going to happen after JoPa completes this upcoming season, the last on his contract.

1) He'll get an extension ( Survey says: XXXXX!!!)

2) They'll announce a succession plan with a coach in-house.

3) They'll go national with a coaching search.

It's believed they better not wait until later to decide, lest they lose ground with future recruits being concerned about who's going to captain that ship.

The earlier thread appeared to indicate that perhaps the decision was still with Paterno on when tio retire, but I'm inclined to believe that this is no longer the case.

Presented with these options, I truly believe this will be JoPa's last season. The CRD* may finally be winding down--without an immediate fatality, no less.

*see post #1
gatorhippy said:
posted on March 17, 2008 12:21 PM — 70.121.107.72 — link — abuse?

WE ATL (#59):

Actually it should be:

If the leading coach retires and the trailing coach stays until overtaking the leading retired one...

Or...

If the trailing coach retires and the leading coach retires within one season of the trailing one...

I believe that would indicate an intention to sticking around for the sake of the record...

If the situatiopn doesn't shakedown between BB & JP in that manner and within those parameters, I will sincerely eat a print copy of this post in a youtube video...

As long as, if (again; actually WHEN) it happens as I outlined above those two previously named gentleman oblige in a same manner...

I'm not afraid to "eat my words"...
TampaGator said:
posted on March 17, 2008 3:36 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?

Ramblin Gator/#41:

Thanks for the link; I loved to Rowdies--still have some of their paraphernalia lying around the house...also the Wowdies!

...that b/t/w triggers a lifelong question I've never been able to figure out: why doesn't baseball have cheerleaders??? Hell, if ever there was a sport with dead time to be filled by cheerleaders, it's baseball...

...mayhaps someday...
_________________________________________________

Gatorhippy:

Your point is well taken, but I don't think one can impute extrinsic expectations of humanity and society in general, to any individual's will-not even those of high profile personalities like Bowden and Paterno (we may think we know them, but we probably don't).

1st-n-Nole's point in #43 (about so many men dying so shortly into retirement) betrays another theory about the nature of humnanity--that man's self worth is inextricably intertwined with his utility (at least his perceived utility). Wouldn't it be just as presumptuous to impute this "principle" of humanity to Bowden/Paterno, as it would be to impute the extrinsically perceived notion of the value of retiring with all time wins record, to B/P?

Who knows (and who cares) what's running through their (B&P's) respective minds? What is of note IMO, is the pretense that it doesn't matter to the FANS of FSU/PSU. It's a non-issue. We needn't dicuss such frivolty...why all that's just an after-thought...who cares about that silly 'ol record anyway, right? why, It's just a number...we're ok with 2nd place...

Right.

Say, while we're--you know, breakn' honest 'n all--anyone in the market for this sweet bridge I have in Brooklyn? She's a beaut, and I'm sell'n her real cheap...

GO GATORS!!
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on March 17, 2008 3:55 PM — 74.185.133.40 — link — abuse?

Seems like Meesh-uh-gen is the next program to have an academic scandal:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/sports/ncaafootball/17michigan.html?_r=2&ref=sports&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on March 17, 2008 4:00 PM — 74.185.133.40 — link — abuse?

...and where is that arrogant cuss, UMICH is better than your school? I would LOVE to hear his reaction to this report!
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on March 17, 2008 4:08 PM — 74.185.133.40 — link — abuse?

TampaGator, I was a huge Rowdies fan. I bumped into the Wowdies at the Gasparilla parade one year and 4 of the girls posed for a picture with me, then each gave me a hug and a kiss. That's how you build a fan base!! ;-)

Wish I could find that photograph. :-(

Ammendment to you question regarding cheerleaders in baseball: why do we still have organ music in baseball? I watched UF sweeping AU in baseball yesterday (YES!! Sorry WEA!) and kept thinking that the lame guy playing (with?) his organ needed to go.
gatorhippy said:
posted on March 17, 2008 4:17 PM — 70.121.107.72 — link — abuse?

You guys crack me up...

I used to attend the Rowdies soccer camp back when I was a kid...

While I understand they were establishing their own identity...

I think the MLS and the owners of the Tampa & New York franchises dropped the ball when they passed on naming their respective teams after the two most popular NASL teams in it's heyday...

Since then NY has undergone a name change and the Tampa team went defunct...
War Eagle Atlanta said:
posted on March 17, 2008 4:35 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?

GH: With that clause, I didn't want you having to eat your words if a coach was approaching that extra season and suddenly died, not completing it, and causing you to lose your bet on a technicality. See, I'm not an attorney, but I get sued a lot.

But if you have to, make sure the 'paper' is linen stationary. You can eat cotton if you have to AND it's more nutritious than paper, too!

Gatorhip: How old are you? I had deduced that you were older, late 40s or early 50s, so the soccer camp thing through me off. I didn't know that they had soccer back then...

Ramblin: I hope you got hit by a foul ball! :-(

OU Fan: I guess the nightmare scenario would be a big twister hitting Dallas, then. It's a wee bit bigger than OK City, since that already happened. I saw some show on it a while back...

If anyone wants me, I'm flying to Vegas tonight with the Georgia basketball team. With those guys just standing around, I'm going to get RICH!!!!
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on March 17, 2008 5:33 PM — 74.185.133.40 — link — abuse?

Congrats to UGA on what is probably the most surprising SEC basketball championship, ever!

WEA, ouch! That ball hurt!! BTW, I'm 44 and went to Rowdies games in high school, so they do go back a long time.

Gatorhippy, I know just what you mean. The Rowdies still have a great and beloved name in the TB area. It's likely that someone still owns the name - even though the NASL went under - and they refused to sell the name to the MLS for a reasonable price.
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on March 17, 2008 5:35 PM — 74.185.133.40 — link — abuse?

Gatorhippy, the "NY Cosmos"? Who wants a soccer team named after a girly drink? ;-)
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on March 17, 2008 5:41 PM — 74.185.133.40 — link — abuse?

Still nothing on my post (#64)? Even if no UM fans are posting, I'm sure many FSU fans are expelling a collective sigh of relief, considering that this scandal may pull the spotlight off of Tallahassee for a while.
gatorhippy said:
posted on March 17, 2008 6:27 PM — 70.121.107.72 — link — abuse?

WE ATL (#68):

That's why I stipulated "retire"...
War Eagle Atlanta said:
posted on March 17, 2008 6:27 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?

Or they could be named after a girlie magazine, Ramblin. Actually, 'Cosmo' isn't a half bad little publication. They have articles like What Every Man Wishes His Girl Knew in Bed or something along the lines of Good Girl or Slut: Which Side do you Fall on?.

Let me tell you, that's some good reading. Especially if Penthouse Forum isn't readily available... :-)
------------------------------------------------
This Michigan scandal appears to have all the same ingredients of the one Auburn had a while back. Just substitute 'psychology' for 'sociology'. Seems that the NY Times is now the academic watchdog in CFB.
Zac said:
posted on March 17, 2008 7:58 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?

OK, GH, I'll bite. Well, I'm hoping I won't have to, but if necessary, I'm prepared. Besides, it won't be stationary; it'll be Rice Paper. I not only have access to plenty of it, it's nuclear grade.

Tampa G (Post 63, below the line), I have one thing to say to you, "AAAAAAAFLAAAAAAK!!!!" (Sorry, it's all I'm good for.)

WarEagle (Post 68), "Ramblin: I hope you got hit by a foul ball!"
Is that a "chicken" joke???

Ramblin G (Post 70), "�Cosmos"? Who wants a soccer team named after a girly drink?" I thought that was a book by Carl Sagan.

WarEagle (Post 73), Howza deassa forrra title? "Are you a good witch or a bad witch? I'm a sandwich; eat me!" (I wonder if Rich Rod is finally wishing he'd stayed at WVU. Between the law suit he's about to loose and now this...)

Ho, Hum, it is a slow day in college football. Which brings me to this treat. I was in my office trying to make sense of a mess handed to me, when a colleague stuck his head in my door saying, "Zac, you look like you're somewhere between *Ho*, and *Hum*" To which I replied, with 3 females well within ear-shot, "No, John, I think my Ho got Hummed." (And WarEagle thinks he's the only one that gets sued a lot.)
War Eagle Atlanta said:
posted on March 17, 2008 8:26 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?

Zac: Evidently, no one at WVU wants the dirty laundry all over the front lawn, so expect a settlement in the RR fiasco. You really think it'll go to trial?

Cosmos was a show by Sagan. Could have been a book, I guess...
Zac said:
posted on March 17, 2008 11:38 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?

War Eagle, the book came 1st; the show came later. As for Rich Rod, if he's smart, it won't go to trial. He'll find a way to negotiate for a smaller buy-out, siting precedent in the negotiations between WVU & John Bielein. WVU reduced Bielein's buy-out from $2.5 M to $1.5 M. By way of the same math, Rich Rod's buy-out could be reduced from $4 M to $2.6 M. However, trust me in this; WVU's not affraid to make an example of Rich Rod over the additional $1.4 M. Me, I'd just as soon it be over and behind one and all.
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on March 18, 2008 9:03 AM — 67.97.209.36 — link — abuse?

Let me get this straight...

Someone says "Cosmo" and my first thought is the girly drink and all of you think of the book and TV series with Carl Sagan?

OK, you have officially lost the right to call me a tech-geek. :-)
gatorhippy said:
posted on March 18, 2008 9:48 AM — 70.121.107.72 — link — abuse?

See...

When I hear "Cosmo", I think Kramer...
War Eagle Atlanta said:
posted on March 18, 2008 10:58 AM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?

Zac: I read yesterday that the case breaks down like this: The burden of proof lies with RR, and he will have to demonstrate that he either doesn't owe the money or owes a lesser amount. In order to do this, his attorneys will need to have access to the complete financial records of the organization that distributes money to all of WVU athletics. No athletic department wants that sort of info to come under the microscope, so it will be settled. And it's not just RR that will be pushing for that settlement.

Didn't somebody somewhere have a dog named Cosmo, too? Was it the dog on the Jetsons?
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on March 18, 2008 11:05 AM — 67.97.209.36 — link — abuse?

WEA, the Jetson's dog was named Astro. Which always made me wonder...

If Jose Cruz was in the outfield of the Astrodome and dropped a fly-ball, would he say "rut-roh".
War Eagle Atlanta said:
posted on March 18, 2008 11:23 AM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?

Jose Cruz was once in the Atlanta outfield during a game I was watching when I was 10 or 11. Someone was giving him the business, so he turned around and flipped off the crowd.

So that's what I think he would say...

You see, if Astro had a shout-out in the Jetson's song, I would remember him:

Meet George Jetson,

His boy, Elroy...

Daughter, Judy...

Jane, his wife...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DFbuulDiM_U
OU-Ron said:
posted on March 18, 2008 2:40 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse?

CBS Sportsline.com has 5 Big XII teams in the top 12 preseason poll---not that this means anything, but at least it's something to chat about....

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/10685987
gatorhippy said:
posted on March 18, 2008 3:17 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?

In regards to Ron's link...

IMO...

UF does not deserve a top 15 ranking unitl they have shown the defense will be able to stop somebody both in the air and on the ground...
OU-Ron said:
posted on March 18, 2008 3:34 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse?

gatorhippy, I know exactly what you're saying, OU loses 3 top players from defense and gets beat like a step child in the Fiesta Bowl and now someone looks into a crystal ball and ranks'em 2nd, unbelievable....
War Eagle Atlanta said:
posted on March 18, 2008 4:24 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?

You guys ever heard of a little thing called HYPE?

You guys are conservative fans, while your cohorts are not. They're all going around saying Hell Ya! right about now, then they'll be the first ones to bitch if your team stumbles.

The worst thing for a team is to believe your own hype. (See Auburn, 2003) It's the worst thing for a fan, too.

GH: You accurately predicted a few stumbles for the Gators last year, but it's possible that a few of your crocodilian brethren may have thought you less of a fan for it. In reality, it's called being 'cautiously optimistic'. That happens to be my M.O., too.

Ron: It's a shame all you guys have to play each other and mess these lofty rankings up. Never thought you'd have to worry about Missouri and Kansas two years in a row, huh?

I wonder if Nebraska can rebound. Their decline helped usher in the successful seasons of both MO and KS last year.
OU-Ron said:
posted on March 18, 2008 4:29 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse?

WEA, the only way we have to play Missouri is if we get back to Big XII championship game, the others should be a cakewalk LOL, now let the smack begin....
War Eagle Atlanta said:
posted on March 18, 2008 4:37 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?

Speaking of hype, I halfway believed they had a chance against OU last year in the title game...
40 Acres of Burnt Orange said:
posted on March 18, 2008 4:43 PM — 76.182.205.22 — link — abuse?

When Sam Bradford gets lit up like a x-mas tree in a October we will all remember what a cake walk your season is OU-Ron just couldn't help yourself could you? Texas should probably be in the top 15, but i don't know about the top 10, because we lost some key starters on both sides of the ball. Can't wait to see this defense with Muschamp at the helm. Motherf***er yeah!

HookEmHorns!
gatorhippy said:
posted on March 18, 2008 4:48 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?

WE ATL (#85):

I actually call it being realistic...

With no sure help at corner, the UF defense will be very dependent on off season development of Haden, Anderson and Pierre-Louis...

However, I expect more help over the top in a Reggie Nelson sort of way from hard hitting true sophmore Major Harris and the addition of incoming freshman Will Hill, who incidentally played QB/FS for his HS squad but voiced his preference for defense and his love for hitting when he made his committment...

The holes along the DL and at DE will be adequately filled and will be deeper than last year and expect the LB corps to build on a fairly solid 2007 campaign...

In the end, it will certainly be the the amount of progress in the off season and continuing to build on that progress to build a solid ground unit and continuity in play from a VERY questionable defensive backfield...

Until I see the problem is solved or at least encouraging improvement to put my faith in those guys back there...

UF should not be in the top 15...

Realistically speaking...
OU-Ron said:
posted on March 18, 2008 4:48 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse?

40 Acres, we have no fear, we have a young gun that should be as good as Bradford's arm and can run like Murray, if Sam goes down, we should be in good shape.

By the way, Muschamps new name is Muschump...
Lennie Collins said:
posted on March 18, 2008 5:19 PM — 70.135.88.158 — link — abuse?

40 Acres Of Burnt Orange, Post #88, Sam Braford I believe is going to be improved this season. OU Ron, Post #82, I am not gone get excited over a preseason poll. If that were Texas ranked #2...Longhorns fans would be talking more _____, than the Tiddybowl man! We will see when the players take the field! Crimson and Cream True!
War Eagle Atlanta said:
posted on March 18, 2008 5:50 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?

Muschump! LMAO! Hey, 40 Acres: I think the phrase that pays is Boom! Motherf***er!

GH: I think Florida will be just fine. We're all a bit gun-shy, after last season's craziness, about propping our team up too much.

Are you guys going to attempt to establish any kind kind of running game, other than Tebow up the middle and Harvin around the end? I'm a bit worried that our new spread is going to de-emphasize the running game too much. They're already talking about moving RB Mario Fannin to part-time wideout to make room in an already crowded backfield.

But maybe they can work something out, since at least one of our QBS, Kodi Burns, likes to run the keeper. It won't be out of the realm of possibility to see Auburn platoon at QB to an even greater extent than last year.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 18, 2008 6:15 PM — 76.100.57.43 — link — abuse?

I'd like to take a moment to say my condolences go out to Ereck Planchers family, friends, and football program. This sort of thing brings life into perspective for me.....I just feel bad for everyone who knew him.

Here's a link:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-bk-ucf031808,0,2076167.story
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on March 18, 2008 6:47 PM — 74.185.133.40 — link — abuse?

#92: WEA, most of the Gator Nation is holding out hope that Emmanuel Moody will be the answer to the missing RB in UF's backfield the last three years. He transferred from USC and played very well as a freshman there, so there's reason to have hope. It's hard for a Gators fan to criticize Auburn after the last two seasons, but it's hard to imagine this being a great season on the plains. Too many changes in the air to make bold predictions (IMHO).

#93: Diggs, that is very sad. I've been following the story on the radio today and this is a very strange death. Here in Florida, we've come to recognize heat-related illness and do our best to prevent it. Clearly, that wasn't the case in Orlando today. I suspect Plancher may have had some congenital disorder, such as Marfan Syndome or something like that, common to athletes.
40 Acres of Burnt Orange said:
posted on March 18, 2008 7:00 PM — 76.182.205.22 — link — abuse?

OU-Ron is that the same back up that played in the Tech game? He looked pretty good against a mediocre Tech defense. Muschump huh? i may be calling him the same thing after he probably leaves to take a head coaching gig after next year.

Lennie, Bradford may improve just because he still has the bulk of his offensive line coming back. Had Colt had that offensive line that he had in 06 he would have had a huge season last year. But to have a young line and still win 10 games ill take that. Like to see how ole Sammy would perform with a young line. Im so gald you always know what the "longhorns fans" on this blog are always gonna say. Since on post 88 i do remember saying that i didn't think Texas should be in the top 10, but top 15. Preseason polls mean exactly what i just left floating in my crimson and cream toilet bowl.

HookEmHorns!
Lennie Collins said:
posted on March 18, 2008 7:16 PM — 70.135.88.158 — link — abuse?

Post #95, 40 Acres Of Burnt Orange that statement is lame. If Texas had this if Oklahoma didn't have that. If a team is good then it should have NO problem replacing talent. You yourself stated that Texas still won 10 games SO he did have an offensive line doing something. I live in Austin and I do hear Longhorns fans talk. Texas is ALWAYS going to be ranked in the Top 15 regardless because of the NAME. You really must have Oklahoma in your mindz all da time! I don't have anything with Texas colors or logos in my home. Oklahoma is gone take the Big 12 AGAIN! Can you say SITCH(Sixth) Big 12 title. Sitch! The only thing I will agree on with you to a degree is preaseason polls don't mean a thing! Again can you say SITCH?
Lennie Collins said:
posted on March 18, 2008 7:22 PM — 70.135.88.158 — link — abuse?

40 Acres Of Burnt Orange, Post #95 I forgot to added. Who was Colt McCoy back-up last year? how did he look against a medicore Kansas State team?
40 Acres of Burnt Orange said:
posted on March 18, 2008 7:28 PM — 76.182.205.22 — link — abuse?

Lennie, once again you are showing why Norman fans arent the sharpest tools in the shed. We always have the talent if we would have had a more experienced line Colt wouldn't have thrown as many interceptions, and we may have won 11 or 12 games. Texas is always gonna be ranked the same way OU is gonna be ranked every year. I could care less about OU, but if it helps Boomers sleep better at night thinking Horns fans obsess over their trashy school in BFE good for them. Because i know as well as anyone else if you look at Texas and Oklahoma from top to bottom Texas will always be the better school. I guess thats what we get for winning 48 total athletic national championships compared to the 25 or so that OU has mustered up. So keep the faith that OU may win the Big 12, but we can always count on them to make an a$$ of themselves in a bowl game to the whole freaking country. So keep the faith Boomers!

HookEmHorns! Mess with the bull u get the horns!
Lennie Collins said:
posted on March 18, 2008 7:53 PM — 70.135.88.158 — link — abuse?

40 Acres Of Burnt Orange Check yourself before you wreck yourself. I think you have already did that! First of all I am not from Norman! I was born in Mississippi NOT OKLAHOMA. Take note of that. Again the excuses flow: if this, if that. Coulda, shoulda, woulda, whatever. If you don't like the Oklahoma Sooners, so what! What do you want Sooners fans to do? Kill themselves, bow down to the Longhorns? I think Sooners fans are gone still live if you don't like Oklahoma or if Texas has won more championships in sports!Texas might be the better school in your opinion and that is all! You really must have low self esteem that you got to make reference to Texas by saying "we"! You didn't win jack. Take pride in your family, if I am not mistaken you said you work in law enforcement...take pride in that. If Oklahoma win or loses I gots my 7 year old son to show me life has more to offer then football! I got my God, my son, my family(blood & church) that keeps me going. The Sooners can go to you know where when it comes to them. The Sooners are not even in the same breath when it comes to God and my family. Take note of that too! If you were here I can look you in the face and be a true friend to you regardless of who you cheer for, vote for, whatever! Can you say that and keeps it real like the young bloods say today? My home would be your home and I would share a meal with ya'! Could you say the same? I got double digit Longhorns fans that I could give you their e-mails to back me up! I would not waste my money on a Texas Longhorns toilet...not with these gas prices. I dislike the Longhorns sports programs but it does not extend past that! Can you say that?
40 Acres of Burnt Orange said:
posted on March 18, 2008 8:23 PM — 76.182.205.22 — link — abuse?

Im not getting into this retarded discussion with you again Lennie. How you throw family and god and all that into this discussion is beyond me. I don't have self esteem? You better check yourself big time before you start talking like that. If you want to talk trash about Texas then i will talk trash about OU and thats that. If you can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen. It has nothing to do with you personally so quit taking everything so personally like you always seem to do.

HookEmHorns
Lennie Collins said:

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