October 12, 2005
Fanblogs XIV Poll: Week 7
Poll of the Fanblogs.com authors & contributors for games played through October 10, 2005:
First place votes in parenthesis. Weighted ballot points appear beside team name. Teams are ranked on likelyhood to beat lower ranked teams on a neutral field, rather than a forecast of final season rankings.
1. Southern California (6) 149
2. Texas (5) 148
3. Virginia Tech 130
4. Georgia 115
5. Florida St. 110
6. Alabama 86
7. Miami (Fla.) 83
8. Notre Dame 66
8. Penn St. 66
10. LSU 54
11. Florida 37
12. Ohio St. 23
13. UCLA 18
14. Texas Tech 14
Others Receiving Votes:
Michigan St. 12, Arizona St. 10, Boston College 10, California 9, Tennessee 8, Wisconsin 6, Oregon 1
How they voted:
Kevin Donahue:1) Southern California, 2) Texas, 3) Virginia Tech, 4) Florida St., 5) Georgia, 6) Miami (Fla.), 7) Alabama, 8) Notre Dame, 9) Michigan St., 10) Florida, 11) Penn St., 12) Ohio St., 13) LSU, 14) UCLA
Pete Holiday:1) Texas, 2) Southern California, 3) Virginia Tech, 4) Georgia, 5) Arizona St., 6) Alabama, 7) Ohio St., 8) Florida, 9) Notre Dame, 10) Florida St., 11) LSU, 12) Miami (Fla.), 13) Penn St., 14) Tennessee
Dave Frey:1) Southern California, 2) Texas, 3) Virginia Tech, 4) Florida St., 5) Georgia, 6) Alabama, 7) Miami (Fla.), 8) Penn St., 9) Notre Dame, 10) LSU, 11) Florida, 12) Ohio St., 13) UCLA, 14) Tennessee
Jeff Quinton:1) Texas, 2) Southern California, 3) Virginia Tech, 4) Florida St., 5) Miami (Fla.), 6) Georgia, 7) Notre Dame, 8) Penn St., 9) California, 10) LSU, 11) UCLA, 12) Boston College, 13) Ohio St., 14) Tennessee
John Ludwig:1) Texas, 2) Southern California, 3) Virginia Tech, 4) Florida St., 5) Georgia, 6) LSU, 7) Miami (Fla.), 8) Alabama, 9) Florida, 10) Penn St., 11) Ohio St., 12) Boston College, 13) Notre Dame, 14) Tennessee
Mike Boone:1) Southern California, 2) Texas, 3) Virginia Tech, 4) Georgia, 5) Florida St., 6) Alabama, 7) Miami (Fla.), 8) Penn St., 9) Texas Tech, 10) Notre Dame, 11) LSU, 12) UCLA, 13) Florida, 14) Ohio St.
Dave:1) Southern California, 2) Texas, 3) Georgia, 4) Virginia Tech, 5) Florida St., 6) Alabama, 7) Notre Dame, 8) Miami (Fla.), 9) LSU, 10) Florida, 11) Penn St., 12) Tennessee, 13) Boston College, 14) UCLA
Robert Knodell:1) Texas, 2) Southern California, 3) Florida St., 4) Virginia Tech, 5) Georgia, 6) Alabama, 7) Penn St., 8) Miami (Fla.), 9) LSU, 10) Notre Dame, 11) Texas Tech, 12) Michigan St., 13) UCLA, 14) Florida
Michael Hickerson:1) Texas, 2) Southern California, 3) Virginia Tech, 4) Alabama, 5) Georgia, 6) Florida St., 7) Penn St., 8) Miami (Fla.), 9) Wisconsin, 10) Notre Dame, 11) LSU, 12) California, 13) Ohio St., 14) Tennessee
Aaron White:1) Southern California, 2) Texas, 3) Virginia Tech, 4) Georgia, 5) Florida St., 6) Penn St., 7) Alabama, 8) Miami (Fla.), 9) Notre Dame, 10) LSU, 11) Texas Tech, 12) UCLA, 13) Boston College, 14) Florida
MisterIrrelevant.com:1) Southern California, 2) Texas, 3) Virginia Tech, 4) Georgia, 5) Florida St., 6) Miami (Fla.), 7) Notre Dame, 8) Alabama, 9) Florida, 10) Penn St., 11) LSU, 12) Michigan St., 13) UCLA, 14) Oregon
Comments:
PACMan said:
posted on October 12, 2005 9:39 AM — 68.10.109.29 — link — abuse?
Pete, I like ASU too, but you're gonna get some grief this week over that one..Where's UCLA and Oregon at? That was the first loss that ASU had that was a solid win by their opponent over the course of a whole 60 minutes. Surely, you can't suggest that their offense loses anything to Tennessee's anemic offense this year..and frankly, Florida hasn't shown me anything this year. I honestly thought they would lose that game to Miss. St for the first half..Also thought Vandy might upset LSU.
Scrub said:
posted on October 12, 2005 10:52 AM — 165.251.12.36 — link — abuse?
Pete's votes seem to be a wee bit off the others. I agree that Arizona St and Ohio St are very good teams, but ranked #5 and #7 respectively?
Everyone else did not even include a 3-loss team I believe, but Pete has Arizona St at #5. Are you saying you think ASU can beat all but 4 teams on neutral field, even though all 3 of ASU's losses were at home (2 of which are teams ranked lower than ASU)?
Ohio St should be ranked, but #7 is rather high. They have a great defense, but their offense doesn't seem to have enough firepower (they had some many chances to score on Texas but couldn't and Penn St was able to shut them down). I think a lot more than 6 teams are capable of beating Ohio St.
posted on October 12, 2005 12:25 PM — 156.56.74.170 — link — abuse?Pete Holiday said:
Yes, yes, yes... I know... I screwed up this week.
ASU doesn't really deserve to be ranked that high. It was a mistake in entering my ballot and I didn't double check it like I do most weeks. My bad.
Were I to do it over again ASU would've dropped below 10th, but certainly not off the list... so it would've had no effect on the over-all rankings.
And no. No love for Oregon. At all. Not even a little bit. They have exactly one win this season of any consequence: ASU -- and an ASU team that was being questioned anyhow.
Nor for UCLA, though I think Oregon has a better claim... at least on my ballot. Why? Because Oregon beat a team that I had ranked. UCLA has not. Because Cal was horrifically overrated.
PACMan said:
posted on October 12, 2005 12:57 PM — 68.10.109.29 — link — abuse?
Overrated?? How can you speak of overrated and include Tennessee and Florida on your list..With a straight face now,..I'll have to take youre word for that..tell me that really think that those two are top 15 teams...Florida at #8 no less. Who's this MisterIrrelevant..he seems to be the most relevant of all, subtract his top 10 love for the State of Florida..FSU is the only one that belongs there
posted on October 12, 2005 1:27 PM — 156.56.74.170 — link — abuse?
It is my belief that Tennessee and Florida are both better football teams than Cal. They both test my patience every week, but they've played some real games.
The first game Cal played with anyone even remotely resembling competition (UCLA) they lost. Sac State? UW? Illinois? NM St? Arizona? THAT was the schedule they won through to make it to #10. It's pretty pathetic. UCLA's schedule is equally weak, except that the Bruins haven't lost yet.
I know, I know... you're going to whine about UT's two losses (one to Florida and one to Georgia, both quality programs) and Florida's loss to 'Bama... but at the end of the day, they've both individually played better schedules that UCLA and Cal combined...
Just my opinion. Then again, you put a lot of faith in those two teams... of course, if you didn't you'd have to admit that the PAC is an average conference again this year, and I know you can't really stomach that.
PACMan said:
posted on October 12, 2005 3:19 PM — 68.10.109.29 — link — abuse?
Sure I can stomach that the PAC-10 is an average conference, this year and most, just as all the conferences are most years. That's what makes it "average" among the six conferences that count. There's a couple of top tier teams, though maybe not the ones you consider, a couple of middleweights, and a couple of dawgs(pun intended). Ami talking about the PAC-10, or the SEC..or any other conference for that matter. The point being, the determination of whose "middleweight" teams are actaully better, and warrant being in the top 14 or 15, arises from regional opinion..that's all there is to it. I submit that ASU, Ore., CAL, or UCLA would all beat Tenn., UF, & LSU more times than not at a neutral site..And I'm giving Bama the benefit of the doubt, because I've always liked them; But a beating(whitewashing) of a lousy, disorganized UF team on your home field isn't too inspiring in and of itself...
Of course you disagree..
posted on October 12, 2005 5:28 PM — 68.35.231.61 — link — abuse?
UCLA is doing their best to make a believer of this East Coast biased voter, thats for sure.
posted on October 12, 2005 7:08 PM — 156.56.114.9 — link — abuse?
Only thing worth adding here:
When calling the PAC-10 average, I can point to evidence.
When you say the SEC is just as bad you don't use anything remotely resembling evidence.
Wonder why that is. Hmmm...
PACMan said:
posted on October 12, 2005 7:42 PM — 68.10.109.29 — link — abuse?
What "evidence"? You mentioned that CAL had a played a couple of patsies. Two. UW, Arizona and Illinois are big time conference opponents, albeit with down years..Not Cal's fault. The SEC has had it's share of patsies this year as well..see Tenn-UAB, UF-WYO, UF-Louis. Tech, LSU-North Texas, UGA-Louisiana Monroe, and a couple of their conference wins were against opponents, like UF, that are in the poll simply out of reputation..Every team has a got a couple of patsies every year..what's the point? Cal finally faced a really good team and lost, despite dominating the stat dept..they were subsequently and justifiably dropped in the polls.
What evidence could I have to the effect that ASU, Ore, CAL and UCLA would beat UT, UF, and LSU more times than not on a neutral site with the teams as they are this year..I think they're simply better teams this year..
Year in and year out is for another discussion..This particular year, I believe our top 5 teams have a got a leg up on your top five..
posted on October 12, 2005 8:36 PM — link — abuse?
Wow! Almost a whole day and no one called me an idiot. C'mon, ya'll - don't you disappoint me.
Aaron said:
posted on October 12, 2005 8:54 PM — 67.183.232.99 — link — abuse?
So you'd still have ASU in the Top 14 at 3-3, even though they lost to an Oregon team that you feel is not better than them? And by your reasoning, it's about whether or not a team would beat the teams ranked above them. So ASU can't beat Oregon (or USC or LSU for that matter) then why isn't Oregon ranked up there? ASU has beaten NO ONE of consequence either, Pete.
NOTaNOLE said:
posted on October 12, 2005 9:58 PM — 24.110.36.194 — link — abuse?
Pacman, your screenname alone is proof of your bias towards all other conferences. But it's cool to be proud of what you care about, even if the whole world say's your crazy. EVERYBODY else in the country is probably wrong and just don't have the insider info that you must secretly possess. But isn't it funny that all the "Patsies"that are on a Pac 10 teams schedule are other Pac 10 teams. We have to leave the SEC to truly find a "Patsie" to warm up with. Your conference is full of them. Pretty sad!! And your funny with the whole ASU,CAL,UCLA,Ariz. and Oregon could beat teams in the SEC on a regular basis. Those 5 teams alway's suck, Year in and out so let's not act like there just having a bad run of it...Don't feel bad cause nobody agrees with ya. Just remember that Jesus was the greatest salesmen of all time but he couldn't sell everyone...
posted on October 12, 2005 10:22 PM — link — abuse?
Pure oversight. Nothing more - nothing less.I'd probably have them at 7th looking at it now.
That's what I get for voting late on 3 hours of sleep on my busiest day of the week.
PACMan said:
posted on October 12, 2005 11:14 PM — 68.10.109.29 — link — abuse?
NOTaNOLE, if you're NOTaNOLE, what exactly are you? Hopefully it involves working with your hands, because you seem to have trouble reading. I never said that "ASU,CAL,UCLA,Ariz. and Oregon could beat teams in the SEC on a regular basis." What I said was that this particular year, our top 5 teams have a leg up on your top teams. Of course I'm biased; so are you, but I also try to be a little objective. Obviously, the conditions change year to year, team's and conference's quality fluctuate. Calling the whole PAC-10 a conference of patsies, shows, not objectivity, but blind bias.
Recall that an "average" ASU beat the stuffing out of LSU a couple weeks back, save back to back bonehead SP plays, then were subsequently spanked by Oregon.
Besides, Vandy, Ole Miss, Miss. St, Arkansas, & South Carolina don't exactly bring to mind much more than the classic definition of a "patsie".
My Oregon State could beat up your Vandy..maybe even Stanford! Maybe not Stanford.Disclaimer..The above reference to NOTaNOLE and the inability to read is by no means reflection on my opinion of the SEC/ACC collective intellect..please don't ban me!
pimpdaddy said:
posted on October 12, 2005 11:17 PM — 64.12.116.139 — link — abuse?
Pacman I mean the real Mr.Irrelevant. Here's a few things you need to understand to get back to being relevant. The Pac 10 could not hang with any of the premiere conferences(ACC & SEC) week in and week out. They can hang with the Big East or Mountain West or maybe even the Big 12 North but a major conference definitely not. Also face it the state of Florida runs things in college football FSU MIAMI UF. California is not even close. Swallow that.
posted on October 13, 2005 12:57 AM — 68.35.231.61 — link — abuse?
The nature of this poll makes it purposefully difficult. For example, if I believe a team can beat 7 out of 10 teams ranked ahead of them most of the time, where should I rank them? The nuances of this thing are intense.
Volsfan1742 said:
posted on October 13, 2005 9:17 AM — 66.0.232.179 — link — abuse?
PAC-MAN your crazy if you say that ASU, Oregon, Cal, and UCLA would beat Tenn, Florid, and LSU. LSU already beat ASU. And Tenn beat LSU. Yes I know Tenn is not playing well and neither is Florida. Both can't seem to get their offenses rolling. But the truth of the matter is, even without there offenses rolling they would both beat all those teams. Not taking away from those teams. They are good programs just not the caliber of Tenn, Florida, LSU, or Alabama. Those teams could not play in the SEC. I would say they would fall somewhere between Auburn and South Carolina in terms of how many games they would win in the SEC.
NOTaNOLE said:
posted on October 13, 2005 11:01 AM — 24.110.36.194 — link — abuse?
Pacman you are correct, this Gator fan doesn't read all the mindless dribble you spew on a regular basis word for word.But I do my best to get a jest of your point as quickly as possiable so I can get back to digging ditches or whatever we do while working with our hands. But it doesn't take much to get your point, so let me rephrase for the sake of not wanting to hear your attempt to mince words as to not discuss the topic. Aside from U.S.C., our worst 5 teams would stomp mudholes in your worst 5! I'm not sold completely on the fact that even U.S.C. could cakewalk through our five if they played them five weeks straight. If I remember correctly, that same A.S.U. team "Beat the stuffing" out of your beloved Trojans for the majority of the game. But in case you still don't know the rules, It's a game consisting of four quarters. So who cares what happened in the special teams, It's the (W) they play for. But when you play in the Pac 10 I suppose an almost win is good enough. So make sure in your reply to point out all my misspelled words, my inability to quote everything you say and my use of my boats name "NOTaNOLE" to further the fact that what you say is Senseless. Your Pac 10 still stinks, Probably will forever.....
Leftovers said:
posted on October 13, 2005 3:50 PM — 205.143.204.198 — link — abuse?
LSU was EXTREMELY fortinate to win at ASU to open the season. The tigers needed 2 special teams touchdowns and a miracle 4th and 10 touchdown pass to get the win, despite riding a wave of hurricane induced emotion. LSU pass defense was torched much the way they blew a 3 touchdown lead to Tenn. at home.
FLORIDA has MANY of the same questions. Florida's win over tenn was tainted. The gators couldnt move the ball and tenn used the wrong qb. In Urban Meyer's loan real test, the gators were blown out of alabama. The spread offense hasnt worked against the two quality defenses they have faced.
That being said, there is 2 great teams in the SEC right now, Georgia and Alabama. There are 2 great teams in the Pac 10, USC and UCLA. UCLA would be a legimate number 2 team in any conference right now. And i have a feeling georgia and alabama would much rather face each other than either USC or UCLA. UCLA loves their role right now-L.A.'s 'other' team. And i would hardly call their schedule cupcake filled.
Aaron said:
posted on October 13, 2005 3:58 PM — 67.183.232.99 — link — abuse?
Chris Leak's lack of mobility is a huge hinderance to Urban Meyer's offense. Alex Smith could run designed plays and escape and take the ball downfield with his legs. Leak is a toothpick and will break if you push him too hard.
PACMan said:
posted on October 13, 2005 4:11 PM — 68.10.109.29 — link — abuse?
Here's how the sorry PAC-10 compares to the SEC..
In heads up competition since 1990, the records are as follows,SEC @ Home is 4-3, with wins against 2 good teams(UCLA x2), 2 wins against lousy teams(Ore State, and Wash State), and three losses against quality teams(USC, UCLA, Ore)..That was 2-3 against quality teams, and 2-0 against cellar dwellers from the PAC-10 in SEC land.
SEC on road at PAC-10 is 2-5, with 1 win against a quality opponent(UCLA), and 1 against a cellar dweller(Arizona), and all five losses came facing quality PAC-10 teams(USCx2. UCLAx2, Ore)..That was 1-5 facing quality competition in PAC-10 country..
So, where exactly is this vast superiority by the SEC over the PAC-10?? It's in the hearts of the SEC fans, where it belongs. I see parity on the field where the games are actually played..If anything, the records actually favor the PAC-10 when comparing quality teams to quality teams..
Bias tempered with at least a little objectivity might be in order..someone above is merely spewing drivelPACMan said:
posted on October 13, 2005 4:12 PM — 24.110.36.194 — link — abuse?
What NOTaNOLE really says is we have a brand new coach and a brand new system, and still competitive anywhere in the country. Oh and thanks for the award Pacman!!! By the way have you ever won ANYTHING in your life except maybe an argument with yourself. NO? Don't give up, keep trying and maybe you can win the "Idiot of the week" award next time. From the looks of the polls your the pre- week favorite.GO GATORS!!!!
PACMan said:
posted on October 13, 2005 4:26 PM — 68.10.109.29 — link — abuse?
I'll tell you where the SEC does have a big leg up on the PAC-10, and that is it's fanbase. I've lived and worked both areas, presently in Virginia (ACC land), and the devotion to Saturdays here is unlike anywhere else, when you figure in every game of the season, big or small..I attended a game in Knoxville when LSU came to town and had never seen anything like it...I left my hat in the car for fear for my life..
The larger and more vehement fanbase also support and vocally tout their teams a whole lot more, as evidenced on this site and the minority of West Coast contributors..PACMan said:
posted on October 13, 2005 6:21 PM — 68.10.109.29 — link — abuse?
NOTaNOLE..I presented you with some numbers, and you chose not to respond. You might as well tell me that 2+2=5, if you're going to provide nothing but silly comments with no tangible justification in response..and under my moniker no less..Are you sure you're not really a Cane?
NOTaNOLE said:
posted on October 13, 2005 11:09 PM — 24.110.36.194 — link — abuse?
Why keep us in suspense, who were these great SEC teams that you talk of and what were there records like those years. You could very well be talking about our bottom dwellers year after year but forgot to mention that. What do your records show when you played teams the likes of Florida, Auburn, Tenn.,Georgia, LSU,Alabama.Those are the teams who consistantly make the SEC the toughest conference year in and year out. Of course we have Kentucky, Vandy, Ark.,Ole Miss, Miss St. and S. Carolina who are normally at the bottom of the rankings every year in the SEC. But I'd lay $ that if those teams at our bottom were in the Pac 10 instead, We wouldn't even be discussing UCLA, Oregon,or Stanford. There would be some real smashmouth football going on and those Primadonnas would be nothing but speedbumps. And by the way, I hate Miami Nearly as much as I do the Noles. We bleed Orange And Blue in my Family!
PACMan said:
posted on October 13, 2005 11:43 PM — 68.10.109.29 — link — abuse?
Well, at least we have something in common, I'm sure you enjoyed that beatdown UW put on Miami to end their 58 game home winning streak, and that one loss that Ken Dorsey experienced in Husky Stadium as much as I did...
Here you go..I'm not trying anything funny with the numbers..these are every game every team has played against the opposing conference for the past 15 years..You can think whatever you'd like..the proof is in the pudding, or on the field!
BAMA: HM 0-1(UCLA) , Away 0-1(UCLA)
ARK: HM 0-0 , Away 0-1(USC)
Aub: HM 0-1(USC) , Away 0-1(USC)
LSU: HM 1-0(OSU) , Away 1-0(Ariz)
Miss St: Hm 0-1(Ore) , Away 0-1(Ore)
Tenn: HM 3-0(WSU,UCLAx2), Away 1-1(UCLA)Total: HM 4-3 , Away 2-5
Granted, I'd consider only four of those teams "SEC powers', so if you exclude Arkansas and Miss. St, the SEC is 4-2 at home, and 2-3 on the road. Now, if you remove our weak sisters as well(OSU,WSU) as your's, then the SEC's record at home is 2-2, and on the road at the PAC-10 the record is 1-5...
What do the facts, not opinion, reflect?'Bout even on the field in SEC land, and not much hope when you come West. I'm not badmouthing the SEC, or anybody else, but if someone wants to put up, support it with more than just "drivel".
Tackle up and explode into the ball carrier, and step into your throws and you'll be just fine..
NOTaNOLE said:
posted on October 14, 2005 1:06 AM — 24.110.36.194 — link — abuse?
Well I did some checking also and it turns out that you haven't quite been very forthcoming on your facts Pacman. Let's see, in 2000 UCLA beat a 3-8 Bama team and in 2001 followed it up by beating a 7-5 Bama team.Your Oregon team beat a 3-9 Miss St. team in 2002 and in 2003 wooped up on them as the Bulldogs were on there way to a 2-10 season.You were kind enough to point out how you beat Tenn. 1 out of there 4 attempts by a mere 2 points while getting slautered in the other three. But I will give you the USC- Auburn matchups. Auburn who was a good team both those years couldn't pull it off in 2002 and 2003 against an opponent who had a combined record of 23-3. Please stop this now before we go any further. You and I both know that each and every poll or comment ever made about the strongest conference in College ball, has always pointed to the SEC as the hands down favorite. You would have to go back 30 years to make that same argument for the Pac 10. Did you hear me? 30 YEARS!!! Give it a rest, I'm tired. Hope to see you in Columbia, maybe we can laugh about it then. I'll buy you a beer.... It's Great to be....
leftovers said:
posted on October 14, 2005 3:05 PM — 205.143.204.198 — link — abuse?
"What do your records show when you played teams the likes of Florida, Auburn, Tenn.,Georgia, LSU,Alabama.Those are the teams who consistantly make the SEC the toughest conference year in and year out." But you forgot to mention when they have down years, you dont count them.
PACMan said:
posted on October 14, 2005 5:37 PM — 68.10.109.29 — link — abuse?
As I said, I listed every game that was played between the conferences..The #'s are the #'s. I listed the records both with and without each conferences "patsies". I'm w/ NOTaNOLE here..this has worn me out..
On another subject, to the voters(Particularly those who currently have Texas as #1)..for the sake of argument...for the sake of argument, what benefit would Southern Cal receive from you for a 3 touchdown win tomorrow in South Bend? Or do you not really believe ND is really all that yet?
Hokie4Life said:
posted on October 14, 2005 6:54 PM — 204.117.83.51 — link — abuse?
The PAC-10 is never consistent year in/out. USC is an anomaly but cmon' who are you guys kidding, college football is the acc/sec and the acc/sec is college football. I hate football on the pacific coast it just sux ballz. God i love it.......LETS GO..........HOKIES!!.......LETS GO..........HOKIES!!.......LETS GO..........HOKIES!!
Quinto said:
posted on October 14, 2005 8:15 PM — 68.10.109.29 — link — abuse?
Disputing hard numbers with "sux ballz" is fine in print. However the game is played on the field, not in print.
If team A beats team B more often than not over a 15 year period, how do you conclude that team B is still better than team A?
The numbers above showed that it wasn't due to wins over bad teams in the SEC that skewed the numbers.
Talk is talk, where's the walk?Slamming the PAC-10 in print is easy, but hollow unless it's done between the hash marks!!
NOTaNOLE said:
posted on October 15, 2005 10:20 AM — 24.110.36.194 — link — abuse?
Well Quinto, why just go back 15 years? Why not 30? Or 50? Because having to go back to games played in 1990 or before or even 2000 or before is senseless. We argue about history when it's just that, HISTORY! My point TODAY is (THE SUSPENSE BUILDS) is that the Pac 10 in my oppinion is a lousy conference THIS YEAR! I don't care who was better in the last 15, 20, 30 years, Live for today people!!!
Quinto said:
posted on October 15, 2005 12:18 PM — 68.10.109.29 — link — abuse?
I wasn't going back 15 years..PACMan was..I was just pointing out that he had numbers supporting him, and all we responded with was conjecture and "sux ballz".(BTW, the last fifteen years, by definition includes last year and this year).
Like I said, talk is talk..fine, but the slamming of the PAC-10 conference just doesn't hold water statistically, per the numbers..
Opinions are fine, but opinions are just that..unsubstantiated estimations..The only proving ground between team A, and team B that can be counted on is head to head on the field.
That's all I'm saying. And frankly, what that showed was that just about any team from any major conference could beat any other on any given day, and that the law of averages wins out in the end, and there is no overwhelmingly dominant conference year to year..Could be the Big 12 this year, the Big 10 next..Opinion has it's place, but be decent and objective, or all credibility is sacrificed..NOTaNOLE said:
posted on October 16, 2005 9:28 AM — 24.110.36.194 — link — abuse?
Quinto, well said. I surely do agree that any given team can win on any given day. And I don't think there is a clear cut domminant conference this year either. What a day for college football yesterday. They all surely didn't go the way I would have hoped but I truly feel blessed with the oppurtunity to have experienced so many great games in one day. THANK YOU GOD FOR COLLEGE FOOTBALL!!!!
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Jeremy Collins said:
posted on October 12, 2005 7:52 AM — 167.239.198.211 — link — abuse?Hey Pete any love for OREGON yet