February 22, 2006
No charges, just more players in the Gator gun incident
After a week of investigations, Gainesville police have determined that a shot fired from former UF CB Dee Webb's apartment into another family's apartment was little more than an accident. According to reports, no charges will be filed in what was originally a felony investigation.
Interestingly enough, police determined that Gator WR Kenneth Tookes, who was not mentioned at all in the original reporting, was handling a gun in Webb's apartment when it discharged accidentally.
In the original report, only Webb, and current Florida football players WR Andre Caldwell and CB Reggie Lewis were identified. It's not clear why WR Kenneth Tookes wasn't mentioned in the original incident, but I can tell you this - with three players involved in a gun accident, you can bet the Gators are making their play for the Fulmer Cup.
Comments:
Fighting Ibis said:
posted on February 25, 2006 5:41 PM — 69.163.197.196 — link — abuse?
So let's get this straight! W. Williams was hounded by UF for setting off a fire extinguisher because he decided not to go to UF. Now this kid unloads an assault rifle into an occupied dwelling and nothing? You Gators have no room to ever mention FSU or UM thugs!
Joe said:
posted on February 26, 2006 7:33 AM — 65.35.97.56 — link — abuse?
There is obviously nothing to see here?? Assault rifles owned by players, shots being fired, No one the least bit alarmed? no charges even filed?
It has to be great to be an athlete playing at the university of Florida when you are given such free passes that anyone in regular society would be at the very least have a police report filed. If John Q Public fired an Assault rifle! in housing project you can guarantee there would be charges filed. What in the heck are football players on campus doing with AK 47's?
One just has to be thankful that rather then a beer keg thrown at a frat brothers head last year didn't involve this crew or there could have been a far worse tragedy occurring.
You just have to shake your head in disbelief at the "free pass" continually given to UF athletes regardless of what they do.
I remember SI doing an article on the extensive domestic violence that was occurring on the UF campus a few years ago under Spurrier.. Business as usual I see....Is this that 1% that Urban Meyer is always speaking of that UF recruits? Wonder what "tough" discipline he will administer to these fellas?
Notre Dame Fan 444 said:
posted on February 27, 2006 2:43 PM — 199.208.239.140 — link — abuse?
Fighting Ibis -
The fact that you put Notre Dame and Miami in the same catergory is laugh. I will admit that academically both the University of Miami and Notre Dame have great programs for non-athletes. However, don't compare Lou Holtz to Jimmie Johnson and Dennis Erickson. The problems ND had were during Bob Davie's time frame, with the Joe Moore age discrimination case and the Kim Dunbar booster sex scandal. None of this took place on Holtz watch. Holtz did however try to get "at risk" athletes into ND and Mike Wadsworth the AD at the time, ended up firing Holtz because of this. That would never happen at Miami, and I'll give you for instance. I have a friend named Bill Deering, who by the way was an all-american pole vaulter, who graduated from Miami in 1994. Bill never went to school his junior and senior year in college, because he was an athlete. He also enjoyed a living suite by himself. This is an athelete who brought in zero revenue to Miami. Now what do you think the atheletes who brought in the big bucks got and still get. As for your great school, how come Michael Irvin has stated numerous times that, "if you want to win football games and play in the NFL go to Notre Dame because of Charlie Weis". why is it that Maurice Crum told his son Maurice Crum jr to attend ND and not the "U". Warren Sapp told his cousin (Gerome Sapp) to attend ND and forget about "The U". Times are changing. I will never say anything bad about the academic of Florida, F$U and Miami, I just question the quality of the "student"-athlete. Tommie Trojan where are you ?????
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on February 27, 2006 6:19 PM — 208.57.130.196 — link — abuse?
ND444:
I put in a real interesting piece about the war on the streets of LA, and why every gangsta should want to be a Trojan, and Kevin must have kicked it out - because he must not have thought that it was too funny. Anyway, we're all lucky that these problems are not that commonplace. They are the exception rather than the rule. We had one guy last year, who crossed the line, and Pete Carroll must have asked him to leave - because he transferred shortly afterward. Winston Justice had to sit out one whole year for an infraction similar to this one before he was allowed back on the field. So, at least at USC, the discipline is there and that is good.
Tommie Trojan
Joe said:
posted on February 28, 2006 11:24 AM — 65.35.221.95 — link — abuse?
Notre Dame 444,
You pretty much nailed it on the strange dichotomy that goes on at UM. Miami, I am sure is a good academic school for non- athletes but when you have an Andre Johnson that commits double academic fraud that is asked to sit for a year by the Honor council only to be over-ruled by the school so that Andre never misses a game you have problems.
Additionally, when you have not one but a plethora pro prospects at UM that continually have abysmally low wonderlic scores the last couple of years, you have to be skeptical about how the athletic department is monitoring its academics for student athletes.
Your example of a UM athlete not even attending classes doesn't sound the least bit surprising.
Just a theory but with the recent firing of so many UM coaches, and from what I have read UM refusing admission to some recent possible recruits because of academics could there possibly be a change in the way Miami runs its program???Lets certainly hope so!!
Fighting Ibis said:
posted on March 1, 2006 12:15 PM — 69.163.197.196 — link — abuse?
Hey Notre Dame Fan 444, before UM went on probation ND was being investigated by the NCAA for millions dissapearing like a fart in the wind. Then the UM mess came up and we never heard another word about ND! ND always schedules big games in ND and then use their refs on top of it? I can't tell you how many times through the years I've heard an announcer say "and it looks like they're going to be short of the first down" to then watch the ref on the play move the ball a full yard to keep Notre Dame's drive alive.
You can talk all the crap you want about nothing scandelous going on under Lou Holtz watch but you're dead wrong. ND is such a has been program "can't even beat up on Boston College"! All your championships came when there was no other competition, period! You guys couldn't stand that the nothing UM program came into your stadium, with your refs and put on a clinic! And about Irvin and Sapp you're full of it! Those guys bleed orange and green. Who are all the great ND players in the NFL now? Should I give you a list of UM players? I watch our guys on just about every team on Sundays. Weis still has to win a NC before you guys can say a damn thing! And since you can't recruit S. Florida well, that will never happen. Get to the back of line! One last thing. Notice how ND is always the highest ranked team for number of losses? Favortism? Nooooo! And then we have to listen to Holtz always talk about ND when you haven't done anything in so long? What a crock!
Joe said:
posted on March 1, 2006 9:03 PM — 65.35.97.56 — link — abuse?
Sorry, got to defend the Irish here.
While they may get extremely favorable treatment by the press and they do have at least one recruting guru trying to funnel blue chip prospects to them,they generally have some academic and ethical standards.
You can guarantee Notre Dame would have suspended Andre Johnson for at least a year for the first incident of academic fraud.There never would have been a second. Too bad the UM administration over ruled their own Honor council...
Likewise, no way do they enroll a felon coming in wearing monitoring anklets.
Like I stated above it appears that UM is starting to toughen its standards. All I can say is it is about time!!FSU0897 said:
posted on March 1, 2006 9:19 PM — 12.227.149.133 — link — abuse?
I am actually with Fighting Ibis on this one...ND gets all kinds of preferential treatment for being ND. Look at the BCS. You guys don't have to be a part of a conference to get a shoe in. Willingham gets fired and Charlie comes in and gets the contract extension of a lifetime after losing two games...Willingham had a better record at the same time in their ND tenure and gets the boot. The black/white issue goes out the window for good ol' ND. You guys sucked for awhile and stil get big TV deals. How can any ND fan say that the Irish don't get treated different? Don't get me wrong, I like Weis and think he is a hell of a football coach and think he will do great things for ND, but a ND guy telling other teams they getting above average treatment?
I know, FSU gets some kind of godly treatment because we sucked to high hell and somehow got into the BCS. Last I checked we managed to win our championship game and gave Penn State all they could handle, did we deserve to be there? Maybe not, but at least we are in a conference playing in the championship game.
notre Dame Fan 444 said:
posted on March 1, 2006 10:41 PM — 71.114.58.42 — link — abuse?
Fighting Ibis -
I'm not saying that Notre Dame has better athletes then Miami on the Football field, or that Notre Dame has more pro football players then Miami. But your academic program is crooked when it comes to athletes. And oh by the way all Notre Dame home games are officiated by the opposing teams conference. When Notre Dame travels they use MAC officals or the the Home teams. I give you a for instance Stanford has not had a holding penatly at Notre Dame Stadium since 1988, considering they meet on the football field every year that is saying something. If all you care about is "The U" football, when they are winning go ahead and cheer, just know that they will always be crooked when it comes to the athletes.
BMF said:
posted on March 2, 2006 2:04 AM — 71.199.251.41 — link — abuse?
fighting abis
ND doesnt have their own refs.... They never have. The visiting team brings refs from their own conference or they are from a neutral conference.
And what does BC have anything to do with UF players being out of control. Bottom line Notre Dame does not have their "own refs" read up above if you were the expert you claim to be you would already know that. Every team that comes into ND has the final say. They get to vote on if they want instant replay and they bring their own refs to the game or else they have refs from a neutral conference.
Orson Swindle said:
posted on March 21, 2006 10:35 PM — 68.211.91.179 — link — abuse?
Joe--please find that SI article, as we'd love to see it, since we suspect you're making it up.
spinman13 said:
posted on March 24, 2006 11:39 AM — 68.53.40.212 — link — abuse?
It just goes to show you that college athletes are the same everywhere, they are afforded the same privledges, they get away with the same things, no matter what the program...everyone looks at Miami, FSU, South Carolina but believe me it is going on everywhere....the problem is that we put such an emphasis on winning that sports controls society, the money comes from sports, and it forces the coaches, administration, campus police, politicians, etc.. all to look the other way as to not upset the apple cart....this is the USA folks...winning is everything, and until that changes you can just change the name of the University when something comes across the police blotter, because it is happening everywhere....
Martin said:
posted on March 27, 2006 8:43 PM — 128.186.40.187 — link — abuse?
Why did Dee Webb have a loaded AK-47 for Kenneth Tookes play with, anyway? Were they preparing for an invasion? Going Dinosaur hunting in the hall? Maybe they believe in Trolls. Yeah, that's it, Trolls. They just got done reading Harry Potter, and, you know, wanted to be prepared.
So... they got out a gun still used by the Chinese Army, loaded it, and what? began polishing it? I'm so glad there are still some people out there who know how to treat a firearm: Fresh Ammo, a clean barrel, and good ol' rub down.
When I think of a personal defence weapon, I think of a small caliber pistol... NOT AN AUTOMATIC ASSAULT RIFLE! I also don't load to look it over, either. But hey, that's just me. Kenneth, do us a favor. Next time you decide to have a moment with your loaded gun, or your friend's loaded gun, could you do it somewhere else. Like, in the woods, or Paris, France. Or... if you can't make a trip out of town, how bout just point it toward the bathroom, or the noisy neighbors down the hall. No? Not do-able? Alright then. I mean if you gotta, in your apartment facing what might be a child's bedroom, you gotta...
At anyrate, I'm glad the Police were so understanding. Think about it, we might of penalized somebody for something they didn't mean to do. It sure is a good thing they didn't haul in those boys. Now they can get back to rubbing that loaded Assault rifle. How bout a wax and massage this time fellas?
Oh well, I guess they do things differently in Gainsville.
Randy said:
posted on March 28, 2006 10:50 PM — 24.197.166.208 — link — abuse?
What happened to Dick Chaney for shooting his buddy? What happens to most people if they are in their home with a weapon and it accidentally goes off? NOTHING...
Who's cares.
It is funny to read about Florida being horrible and not punishing it's players. Especially from
canes and Seminoles, like your programs have any room to talk. Student-athletes will always get special treatment, always have, always will...
If you want to trash Florida, trash their basketball team, oh wait, that's right, they are still playing.Lou Holtz said:
posted on March 29, 2006 12:50 AM — 66.71.94.242 — link — abuse?
Notre Dame has lost 8 bowl games in a row, with their last bowl victory coming in the 1993 Cotton Bowl. I don't care what anyone says about officiating, Notre Dame clearly gets preferential treatment in the polls and the media. They are consistently awarded bowl games that are prestigious beyond their level of success, and against opponents to whom they don't measure up. Case in point: Notre Dame wasn't fit to carry Ohio State's collective jock last year, and it showed on the field.
By the way, I actually AM Irish, and their nickname is a disgrace to myself and mine - they clearly don't deserve it. I don't care for Miami, but at least they get it done on the field.
Joe said:
posted on April 1, 2006 6:24 PM — 65.35.97.56 — link — abuse?
Randy states:
"What happened to Dick Chaney for shooting his buddy? What happens to most people if they are in their home with a weapon and it accidentally goes off? NOTHING..".
Who's cares.
Great analogy??? comparing people involved in a hunting accident with two student athletes shooting and owning assault rifles in a college town?
The fact that you don't care is really quite sad and unfortunately doesn't say a lot about your values concerning the discharging of deadly weapons in heavily populated areas.
Geesh! I certainly hope you aren't my neighbor!!Martin said:
posted on April 3, 2006 12:19 AM — 68.35.200.69 — link — abuse?
FSU punishes their players. That is why they have recieved so much media attention. It's difficult to claim FSU isn't when they suspend their star QB for sleeping through exams and parking in a handicap spot.
Randy, I'll concede Miami, willingly. But let's face it: In Miami, you have to kill to stay alive. As far as Florida goes, I am shocked that there is no report of a fine, jail-time, or community service. In my opinion, that's the police's responsibility. I will lose respect for Urban Myer (and all great things we hear about his discipline) if he does not take some action.
I am hesitant, to ever "get-over" special treatment for athletes or any member of society. As soon as we do, we lose the ideal of justice our nation was founded on. But hey, that's just me.
Joe said:
posted on April 5, 2006 4:06 PM — 65.35.221.95 — link — abuse?
NotaNole,
Anything about "Boys" is usually associated with gators.
Isn't the "gay" national anthem "WE ARE THE BOYS OF FLORIDA"??? You know the one where all those gator fans cuddle with each other?? I am sure there was a whole lot of that "Man boy love" going on in Gainesville the last couple of nights... Not my cup of tea but whatever floats your boat!!
Martin said:
posted on April 6, 2006 1:46 PM — 128.186.40.155 — link — abuse?
NOTaNOLE,
Still stuck on Peter Warrick and Laveranues Coles? Let me remind you those players were suspended. And since Peter Warrick, FSU has dropped it's "no-suspension" punishment policy, and moved to suspending players at the first incling of suspiscion. A.J Nicholson? Fred Rouse? Gone before the aligations were announced. How about Wyatt? Suspended before anyone knew of his condition. As soon as the police became involved: suspended. Look at Mcpherson and Rix. No leanancy there, Mcpherson was kicked off the team and Rix suspended... FOR WHAT? Parking in a handicap spot and sleeping through an exam?! Have you ever parked illegally? Have you ever slept in? I'll wager a million to one incidents such as those happen to Football players all over the Country and you don't hear a thing about them. Why? because no action is taken. In the end, we are what we do, and not what we say. So if you'd like to continue to quote Bobby Bowden: "Boys will be boys," then go ahead. Afterall, he ended up taking action in that instance. If I were you, I'd be more concerned with the current situation. Firing an assault Rifle off in an urban area is as serious as anything. What kind of action does Urban Meyer intends to take here. It's one thing to talk tough, but you have to walk it too.
NOTaNOLE said:
posted on April 11, 2006 12:57 PM — 68.204.158.116 — link — abuse?
Joe, are you really gonna bring up the "We are the boys of old Florida" song that is performed once a game at the start of the 4th quarter when your 67,ooo homo fans do the hands down most Gay thing ever done at a college football game. Not your stupid Chop either which all and all is just signaling another first down for the Gators, but rather this one that truly makes me laugh out loud and point and nearly puke..... F,L,O,R,I,D,A- S,T,A,T,E. Florida State- Florida State- Florida State----Wheeeeeewwwww!!! Did you get that homo? I'll give ya the gay part one more time so you losers can woller in your Gayness a bit more... Here it is " WHEEEEEEEWWWWW" Now Shut up and get ready to be embarrassed for the next ten years!!!
NOTaNOLE said:
posted on April 11, 2006 1:09 PM — 68.204.158.116 — link — abuse?
Martin, are you really implying that he purposley fired a AK-47 into an apartment wall of his friend in hopes of injuring both the wall and any occupants in the adjoining apartment? If so then you are an idiot and I don't have time to waste with your nonsense. Now is there even one instance that you stated above concerning FSU players that could be deemed an accident other than sleeping through finals. The dumbass was ticketed 3 times for parking in the same spot, thats outright stupidity but not even what I was refering to as the boys will be boys comment. And Mcpherson was unfortunatly for him at the end of a horriable season for FSU and therefore was made an example out of in what we will call" Good timing". No Chance of it hurting your team, why not send him packing... By the way, Wyatt---not suspended!! Rouse, second drug offense!! AJ(RAPE)!
Joe said:
posted on April 15, 2006 11:06 PM — 70.127.80.94 — link — abuse?
Hey Not a Nole?
You were the one that brought "boys" into the topic not I. The facts are FSU has been far tougher in disciplining its players than either UM or UF over Bowden's watch. So many FSU issues are of the most "minor" variety.
FSU kicked AD Mcpherson off its squad before any gambling charges were even brought forth.
Meanwhile UF invited both Kyle Morris and Shane Mathews right back a year later after they admitted to gambling!
That is why the NCAA has never come down on FSU for a lack of institutional control like they have for both UF and UM. All three schools have "problem children" time to time.
It looks like the gators have a real humdinger in ole Percy and UM keeps hiding "felon" Lil Willie from getting in front of the public.Meanwhile, FSU has kicked its "star recruit WR Rouse off the team. Think Meyer would do that to Harvin if he continues to behave like he has? Like most UF "problem kids" we won't hear about it until after he is gone. JMO.. Meyer talks a good game.. We are still waiting on this "tough" discipline he claims. The assault rifles doesn't look too good from my view in his response.
NOTaNOLE said:
posted on April 19, 2006 11:39 AM — 68.204.158.116 — link — abuse?
Hey Joe, If not for gambling then what other reason to kick of Mcpherson? What about Warrick? What about Dockett? Rouse only got tossed after his second drug offense and after the season was over and after he publically made the comment that he wished he would have gone to UF. Now Percy has never done one thing wrong since becoming a Gator but yet you already want to condemn him and compare him to Miami's felon. Do you really want to bring up what kids have done when they were in high school or even before that? With Percy we are not even talking about anything criminal, just childish spoiled behavior by a punk kid. Lets see what happens after he is surrounded by Grown men that can whipp his butt when he screws with their future before you get to far ahead of yourself. I played ball and know how freshmen are treated no matter how much of a star they think they are...
Joe said:
posted on April 20, 2006 3:34 PM — 65.35.237.128 — link — abuse?
Well Randy Moss's incident in High school followed him into college and one smoke of a joint and he was gone from FSU. From my view Percy appears to be a hot head and has had more than one bad incident during his high school days.
Of course he immediately became an Honor student and model citizen upon enrolling at UF? Yeh Right!! Is Percy one of those 1%'s Meyer speaks of?
Get back to reality notanole. Percy has issues!!
Assault rifles on campus, the recruitment of a thuggish blue chipper? Just play ball son! We gators will take care of you!!lol
Dawg House said:
posted on June 6, 2006 9:01 AM — 69.119.90.28 — link — abuse?
This is typcal for UF. They get away with whatever they want because their dean doesn't have the balls to do anything about it. This is pathetic, just like UF. First of all, they shouldn't of had a freakin gun out anyways. They were probably high or drunk and shot it off, just like all Flordia players. We don't expect the Florida players to be smart or have common sense. Holding a loaded gun without the safety on, while in a freakin apartment is plain stupid. But allowing a Florida player to be the one holding the gun is a death wish. This just shows you how the stupidity of UF players slides by because of weak moraled advisors. Oh, and bravo to the Florida police for doing nothing about it. Isn't it interesting how Kenneth Tookes wasn't mentioned at first when the police report was made. Probably because he was high or drunk and his "bros" had to get him out of there so he wouldn't get arrested or kicked off the team. So the other guys made up some bogus story and waited for the story to die down. Then they randomly add a guy (WR Kenneth Tookes) to the story. Isn't it funny how it can slip a group of guys minds of who was there during the incident, let alone the guy that shot the gun. Being a Georgia fan, I'm proud to say we at least man up to what we have done.
Franko G said:
posted on June 6, 2006 10:19 PM — 71.48.232.25 — link — abuse?
Dawg House,
I agree. Everyone in the country should look at the way Mark Richt runs his football program. He runs it as cleanly as you possibly can.
By the way...earlier in this post I heard some Gator fans and Nole fans going at it over their teams cheers. I have to add something to the gay cheers the Gators do...
"2 bits!! 4 bits!! 6 bits!! a dollar!! all for the Gators, stand up and holler!!.....?????????????????????????
what the???? what does that even mean. I heard that cheer and I seriously started laughing. I couldnt help myself, is that cheer actually supposed to pump people up?
And I know how its a huge tradition at UF football games- that old guy has been doing it for years...but I'm sorry. That is a horrible cheer.
And now a new breed of Bulldawg stands ready to take the field of Battle. To assume the reigns of the Georgia program. To continue that tradition. Understanding that there is no tradition more worthy of envy. No institution worthy of such loyalty as The University of Georgia. As we prepare for another meeting between the hedges let all the Bulldawg faithful rally behind the men who now wear the red and black with two words. Two simple words that express the sentiments of the entire Bulldawg Nation...GO DAWGS!"
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Fighting Ibis said:
posted on February 22, 2006 6:21 PM — 69.163.197.196 — link — abuse?So because W. Williams didn't go to UF they "UF" trumped up charges against him for "fire extinguishers"? But now a player "from UF" discharges a weapon into an occupied dwelling and nothing comes from it? Does anybody see the bias? I guess the only program that has to play by the rules is the "U" huh? It's good to see that the Urban Myth runs a tight ship! B. Bowdens boys can do whatever the hell they want. Senator Tressel can pay players and win NC's with paid refs. South Carolina had how many violations and got a slap on the wrist "because exposing Lou Holtz would expose Notre Dame too"?
When UM went on probation for 5 yrs "nearly missing the Death Penalty" they had nothing on them, dispite what haters try and accuse! Lack of institutional control was the charge. No monies traded hands, nor did the players rape women, shoot up occupied dwellings, or resist arrest.
Now what this does tell me is you're all "other programs fans & the media" scared! You all know we own you & it eats you up! It's great to be a CANE baby!
Why hasn't this website followed any of the coaching changes made at UM? Looking to good huh?