February 6, 2007
FSU, Miami swipe two of Meyer's committed recruits
Ah yes, the day-to-day roller coaster ride that is college football recruiting... just ask Florida head coach Urban Meyer who lost to commitments in 24 hours to his in-state rivals.
Pace High School Demarcus VanDyke originally committed to the Miami Hurricanes in June. When UM fired Larry Coker, VanDyke switched his commitment to the Florida Gators. But, as National Signing Day approaches, Rivals is reporting that VanDyke will leave Coach Meyer at the alter and is expected to sign with the 'Canes.
And even more painful loss is that of speedy athlete/wide receiver Bert Reed to Florida State.
Reed took his official visit to Florida State this past weekend despite the fact he was committed to the Florida Gators. The trip was good enough that when Reed returned home, he decided to officially decommit from the Gators. On Tuesday, he decided to go public with his decision."I just felt comfortable there," Reed said. "I felt like it was the place for me. I just felt really comfortable with the players and the coaches. It isn't a flashy place but it is the place for me."
The FSU coaches sold Reed on their vision of him as a playmaker in the FSU offense.
"I can definitely fill that role," Reed said. "I feel I can bring it to this team next year and that I will get the opportunities to take advantage of that and show what I can do on the field. I can make plays. I don't have to try to hard I just have to play and let it come to me and make plays because that is what I do."
An interesting twist to Reed's recruitment is that it was speculated that if he visited Florida State, that the Gators would pull his scholarship offer. However, Reed informed Warchant.com that did not happen.
"I am glad all of this is over," Reed said. "I am glad I made the choice to make the visit. Officially, they did not pull the scholarship. It was still there. I am glad I did what I did. I think I am going to excel at Florida State's program. I think we have a great chance to win with these guys coming in."
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Comments:
GatorMatt said:
posted on February 6, 2007 3:58 PM — 128.227.158.107 — link — abuse?
http://rivals100.rivals.com/teamrank.asp?SID=880
I don't think Florida will have any problem with these two recruits leaving. They have enough
RocktheSwamp said:
posted on February 6, 2007 4:11 PM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
are you kidding me? why would you even need to post this, neither one of these two guys are that important. Demarcus van dyke we knew would recommit to Miami anyhow a long time ago, and Bert Reed is getting scared b/c of playing time issues. Bert Reed isnt a hurtful loss, i do believe that he is (or was) only a 3-star prospect. This wont really effect the kind of recruitng class we''re bringin in at all, it will still be the best in the nation.
fsu.fan said:
posted on February 6, 2007 6:19 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
Well this isnt a huge deal but regardless of how strong the Gator class is, it's never good to lose 4 star recruits to your rival. Their class will still be outstanding but depth is always nice, injuries do happen. Reed probably wont start at FSU this coming year because the Noles are loaded with talented receivers.
BTW, correction RocktheSwamp... he's ranked 4 stars on scout.com and rivals.com (not that it's a huge deal).
Po said:
posted on February 6, 2007 9:23 PM — 130.36.62.140 — link — abuse?
I understand recruits signing with the teams who have just won the National Championship, but it's kinda like a dog chasing it's tail. Florida will certainly have a great team next year, but with their schedule in the SEC, they will be fighting to make it to their conference championship. These kids should look for programs where they have the best chance to contribute in two years and and hopefully get an education along the way. This is where problems can arise for programs as well. With so many blue-chippers and so few positions, kids get shoved aside and then something dumb happens. This will probably be good for both parties (recruits and UF).
mitchell holderfield said:
posted on February 6, 2007 11:58 PM — 70.142.35.217 — link — abuse?
you would think the gaytors have won NC's ever since college football started the way they talk.Oh well they still cant beat the HURRICANES.
geauxtigers0107 said:
posted on February 7, 2007 8:10 AM — 69.1.170.58 — link — abuse?
Anytime you lose a 4 star recruit, it hurts a program. In Florida's case, not that bad because of the great class they allready have, which is currently ranked #1 in the country. Also, the move to an in-state rival may rub some of 'em the wrong way but a kids gotta do what he thinks is best for him. Enjoy your #1 class now Florida. My beloved Tigers just got a committment from 5 star receiver Terrance Toliver and, if they can manage to sign Joe McKnight, may slip past the Gators for the #1 spot. And even if they don't, it still speaks volumns for the SEC in recruiting this year with teams in the top 10 in the country. Bottom line is, these kids want to play in the toughest, most competitive conf.........ooops..almost strayed from the thread there Kev. Sorry about that!!
Geaux Tigers
gatorhippy said:
posted on February 7, 2007 9:52 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
K-Hue:
Just out of curiosity...
Why is this topic worthy but yet the fact that Meyer and the gators have stolen commits from Notre Dame, Southern Cal, Texas, and FSU is not...
Don't let your Nole bias get in the way...
TampaGator said:
posted on February 7, 2007 10:55 AM — 64.12.116.75 — link — abuse?
mitchell holderfield/#9:
How's that ACC treating your canes?
Canes can't even win in SEC's little sister conference; why should anyone believe that they could have won an NC with an SEC schedule?
Just enjoy your 5 gold plated rings; we'll continue to celebrate our two 24k gold rings.......and good luck with that vicious ACC schedule; we realize it's quite daunting for y'all....
GO GATORS!!!
Ahmad said:
posted on February 7, 2007 1:33 PM — 71.16.249.51 — link — abuse?
Having a good recruiting class is important, but among the competitive teams, it is whoever works the hardest and smartest that wins. I don't see why people get so concerned about these KIDS. Some of these guys may have already reached their potential many others have a lot of room to grow. You never know what's going to happen and history has proven this.
Does anyone have any serious data that shows the relationship of recruiting class strenght to winning. I'd like to see that.
posted on February 7, 2007 3:22 PM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue said:
@gatorhippy - Every team loses committs, but Meyer was the only one to lose two committs in 24 hours yesterday. Two in a day is a big deal, regardless of who it is.
ou1973 said:
posted on February 7, 2007 3:30 PM — 63.170.35.88 — link — abuse?
Kevin get your facts straight OU lost 3 in that period and again it is life, deal with it, this is not big news so do not try and convince us that it is, losing recruits is part of the game and until you have it signed than all is up for grabs grow up.
gatorstud said:
posted on February 7, 2007 3:32 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
hey mitchell.....you'd think that with the season miami had, miami fans would be quiet this off-season...all you miami and fsu fans have to look up to see the gators now....we have titles in football and b-ball...something miami and fsu fans will never see.......yeah miami has 5 titles and florida and fsu have only two...but, that will change....miami is not the big dog in the state of florida anymore...and you miami fans better get used to it...or keep livin in the past.....
gatorhippy said:
posted on February 7, 2007 3:34 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Kev (#16):
I gotta disagree on the "big deal"-ness of these two guys...
VanDyke was an original Miami commit and decommitted after the Coker firing...
It was really just a matter of time until Shannon and his staff could reassure him...
As for Reed, rumors of his academic clearance are also swirling along with the schollie yank by Meyer...
Which would explain his "decommittal" from UF and switch to FSU...
Bowden has a long history of offering kids who can't qualify, sending them to Coffeyville or some other JC and then bringing them back to Tally...
Meyer's first class last year had ZERO nonqualifiers...
Could be wrong (since their rumors) but don't be surprised if Reed (suspicious 2.6 GPA and no listed test scores)doesn't qualify...
gatorhippy said:
posted on February 7, 2007 4:20 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Kev (#16):
In addition to #17...
Considering the depth at WR/ATH already on campus at UF along with the newcomers...
With guys like Caldwell, Harvin, Fayson, Cooper, Ingram on campus...
Reed will hardly be missed, unless he can pull off some big plays against the Gators...
VanDyke, however, would have definitely competed for a spot as a starting CB more than likely...
So maybe losing him is a big deal, but Reed is not so much one...
fsu.fan said:
posted on February 8, 2007 1:58 AM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
Looking for some info...
Noel Devine was deciding between WVU and FSU. On 02/06/07 (the day before national signing day) every website I saw said he had given a verbal to WVU. I checked just now and the same websites are showing in undeclared and unsigned with no articles explaining whats up. Anyone have an additional info on where he's going to land?
ACC Lover said:
posted on February 8, 2007 8:41 AM — 24.168.253.79 — link — abuse?
fsu.fan
Noel Devine decided not to sign after a long talk with Deion Sanders. It is still completely up in the air, and no one is out of the equation right now. He might even just go to a junior college, which I believe is what Deion wants him to do.
TampaGator said:
posted on February 8, 2007 10:28 AM — 64.12.116.75 — link — abuse?
Chris/#24:
You're a buffoon. The article merely says that UF recruits boasted of UF's academic superiority over LSU.
The recruit's gripe: "...[UF recruiters talked] about (how) their (LSU'S) academics are not all that..."
Classless? Only if the TRUTH constitutes a lack of class.
In March 12, 2003 LSU Faculty Senate increased the minimum required SAT/ACT score from 1000/21 to 1030/22 for all incoming freshmen effective Fall 2005, IN HOPES OF achieving average freshmen scores of 1200 SAT/ 26 ACT, and 3.6 GPA
(see http://appl003.lsu.edu/acadaff/SACS.nsf/$Content/QEP/$FILE/QEP.htm#Appendix_A).
UF's ACTUAL average SAT/ACT/GPA for '06? 1340/29/4.1 (see report on UF in Wikipedia).
UF is also a member of the prestigious American Association of Universities; LSU is not.
UF landed more National Merit honor students than any school except for HARVARD. (LSU not even in top 50 of that list).
Maybe LSU's recruiters should be taken to task for selling Toliver on a bunch of crap, if they pretended to be academically comparable to UF.
Please, if you're going to accuse UF of lacking class, have something more to back it up than a mischaracterization of what some recruit said, or your hurt feelings.
GO GATORS!!!
gatorstud said:
posted on February 8, 2007 11:51 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
hey chris...i read that article...if your gonna compare stuff like this..then go ahead...i guess the university of florida is the only school that does that kinda stuff....the U, fsu, or mich, or ohio state or any other program are so clean..god u you are such a moron....you come out and keep doggin the gators...only one thing is true...YOU ARE JUST A GATOR HATER....and that is all this amounts to....it must be nice to know that the miami hurricanes run such a clean program and that nothing ever happens there, and there are never any problems and everyone graduates and goes on to do great and wonderful things and.......i think i am gonna get sick now....so go ahead and keep throwin stones chris.....cause it is you that has no class...whatsoever...you keep showing it in your posts...
gatorhippy said:
posted on February 8, 2007 3:47 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Couple of things...
@ SoCal - Gators signed just over thirty last year with ALL of them qualifying and enrolling...
@ Chris - This is no different than any other tactics used by other schools...
It happens all the time...
And really, man, a Miami fan speaking on the lack of class of other programs?
pot > kettle > black@ fsu.fan - Everything I've seen has Devine enrolling in Prep school.
It was said he just couldn't make up his mind and Deion has been pushing him to prep school...
But my suspicion would be that he won't be able to qualify hence the prep school route.
It's not like the kid needs to develop athletically and how hard can it really be to choose between FSU or WVU...
Noles could use him immediately and the 'Eers are a program on the rise and Devine would be
huge complement to Slaton and White...Finally...
Hats off to the Old Ball Coach, great haul...
Chris said:
posted on February 8, 2007 4:26 PM — 74.140.252.122 — link — abuse?
you can only sign 25 players a year...
UF has counted some of these players with last years class since they were sigen and enrolled prior to january
so that means that not all the players from last year were retained once the season started...so gatorhippy would be inaccurate with this statement to socal
gary said:
posted on February 8, 2007 7:12 PM — 75.202.129.5 — link — abuse?
this board reminds me why I hate gators. Gator fans are such .icks I can always pick ome out of the crowd. Hey, now that your team is better maybe you will reconsider putting us canes on the schedule permanately. Been a long while since you beat us. DONT FORGET THAT. See you punks in 08
Joe said:
posted on February 8, 2007 11:23 PM — 65.32.170.228 — link — abuse?
Good thoughts Gary!!
It is most puzzling why the gators continue to leave Miami off their annual schedule despite the additional 4th game added? It also is puzzling with all this gator "blather" why they are one of the few teams in the country that refuses to play any out of conference game outside the state of Florida at benny hill? They do sneak into Doak in Tally every other year for their ( 1) Out of conference game outside Benny Hill.Of course Miami will be on the schedule for 2 years in the near future. Word of caution! If Miami wins those 2 games, they will never ever be on the UF regular season schedule in our lifetimes!!!
gatorstud said:
posted on February 9, 2007 9:02 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
oh boy...here we go again w/ the CRIAMI fans..the gators are succeeding and they don't like it....its funny that the negative florida posts aren't even coming from our biggest rivalry..fsu....their coming from CRIAMI fans....oh boo hoo...whats wrong...you guys (criami) not being the big dogs anymore got your panties in a wad or what....at least the fsu fans were able to come out and congadulate the gators without trying to tear them down at the same time....and i am not talking about all miami fans, just a few...and a couple in particular....joe & chris....you two are idiots....trying to discredit the gators accomplishments by coming up with weird stats....recruiting b-s...the "you're dodging us" crap....
now, you show me one post of mine where i have said that we (the gators) are the greatest thing sinced sliced bread, and that we are gonna win seven titles, and no-one is ever going to beat us...although i am a true-blue gator....i am also a realist...i know that winning championships don't come easy...if they did, miami should of had at least eight with all the talent they have had at their disposal over the last 25 years...i also know that i am a truly lucky person right now....my gators are at the top of both major college sports...but, i do remember what it was like in the late 80's.....we were the bottom of the barrel in the state of florida...but it is not like that anymore...we have an excellent athletic program....and considering how your season went, all your bantering is just sour grapes.
now i do not speak for all gator fans but i would like to see fsu and miami get their programs back on track....all three programs at their best...that is what's best for college football,
and i want to see miami and florida play again regularly, but us fans have no say in the matter, we get a schedule and we cheer for our team reguardless of who we play or where....so you two can just keep on mouthin off.....it is what you guys do best...
TampaGator said:
posted on February 9, 2007 10:20 AM — 152.163.100.201 — link — abuse?
Joe/#35:
What's your angle, man? You coming in here with an agenda, looking to "...rain on our parade?" We're on to you, man, we're wise to you...we know what your up to! (j/k)
What's in it for UF to play Miami? We have 8 SEC games per year, plus FSU. We needn't prove anything to anyone. We fill our stadium no matter who comes to town (can't say the same for UM or FSU).
Our OOC schedules our soft because our conference shedule is the toughest in the country. FSU and other teams schedule thougher OOC's because their conference schedules are so easy as to allow for such--and almost require it.
See y'all in the Swamp!
GO GATORS!!!
gatorhippy said:
posted on February 9, 2007 2:47 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Chris (#33):
You're still here shooting your mouth off?
However, you are sorta right that I gave SoCal some inaccurate info...
UF actually qualified and enrolled all 28 kids signed last year...
Here's a link to the media guide:
http://www.gatorzone.com/football/media/
Check the roster for yourself...
Guess the NCAA must have overlooked the Gators with your proposed 25 limit rule...
Guess they must have also missed the blatant over-singings by FSU(31), Ole Miss(30), Texas Tech(34), Oklahoma(28), Pitt(26), Okie St.(29) and of course NCAA media darling Notre Dame(28) just to round out the 2006 top 25 signing classes...
Hard to believe the NCAA could miss all these given it's posted all over the internet...
BTW, none of the nine recruits that enrolled early were counted towards last year's class...
As well as, no recruit that is January enrollee can sign until NSD unless they are a JuCo transfer...
Get your facts straight...
canes_82 said:
posted on February 9, 2007 3:57 PM — 66.177.152.47 — link — abuse?
"Of course Miami will be on the schedule for 2 years in the near future. Word of caution! If Miami wins those 2 games, they will never ever be on the UF regular season schedule in our lifetimes!!!"--JOE
Don't be surprised if it happens. The last time Miami whooped the gayturds was in 04 with Chris Leak at QB. The score was 27-10 Miami. That explains why the gayturds are hesitant to put Miami on the schedule. Miami is going to burn Gainesville to the down in 08!!!!!!! I'm glad the gayturds got a good recruiting class because I want the gayturds to be at their best. No excuses gayturds. GO CANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chris said:
posted on February 10, 2007 1:57 AM — 74.140.252.122 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy...
you get your facts straight...if they are enrolled by january their scholarship counts towards last year...thus you can sign more than 25 players for one recruiting class if they have more than 25 scholarships to give...so the recruits who sign and start school in january have their scholarships count for the year pior and those who start in the fall have them start for the current year...
you are looking at rankings of classes and not actual scholarship distribution
geesh
Joe said:
posted on February 10, 2007 6:40 AM — 65.32.170.228 — link — abuse?
Well Tampa Gator,
since UF has always claimed themselves to be the flagship college of Florida why not act like it and schedule Miami every season and play an occasional Nationally recognized team Out of Conference home and away? If Miami and FSU can go out and play the Oklahomas Michigans Ohio States USC's etc out of conference why can't UF? Why are they the only college that claims their schedule is too tough to do this?? Wouldn't that MNC be just a little more meaningful if they did this??
Oh and Gator Hippy,
With 28 qualified last season and 27 loi's this season how many upperclassmen are going to be culled and have their schollies revoked for no other reason than they have too many players (to reach the 85 limit)???
Personally, I think it is disgraceful with this UF adopted strategy started with Spurrier that a Scholly is just a one year deal??
I have to admit I am a bit surprised that these kids booted to the curb only because of numbers aren't coming out more publicly about it.
Oh and finally cane_82,
Nice sign of Marve, I am sure there was a grown heard from Hogtown when that was announced followed by a "how much can we pay UM to get out of those games!" LOL
Personally, I think UF's dropping of Miami is the biggest travesty in the history of college football in the state of Florida, and an absolutely shameful end to UF's 3rd longest continuous rival.
We all know why it was done as both Miami and FSU were continually beating them at the time and they just couldn't handle it.gary said:
posted on February 10, 2007 9:38 AM — 75.200.158.144 — link — abuse?
Well I have never met a gay gator. But most of them are idiots. Anyone know how many games the U has won in a row againest the gators. We got a gift from god last time at the OB. Owned them in the swamp prior to that
Gary
gatorhippy said:
posted on February 10, 2007 1:02 PM — 68.59.151.97 — link — abuse?
Chris, Chris, Chris...
You can't be on scholarship until you sign your letter of intent...
If a kid enrolls early, he is paying his own way in that semester, since the letter of intent can't be signed until February...
The scholarship doesn't kick in until the fall...
Unless the kid is a JuCo transfer...
Do you get it now...
gatorhippy said:
posted on February 10, 2007 1:09 PM — 68.59.151.97 — link — abuse?
Joe (#41):
Name one, if any, kids that what you are accusing Spurrier and Meyer has had done to them...
Secondly, after you do that make sure to list the kids that the same thing has been done to at FSU...
It happens everywhere, kids don't live up to potential and are cut to make room for new blood...
For a guy that admonishes Gator fans posting on Nole topics, you sure are being hypocritical sticking your nose in here and starting crap over nothing...
Sure you don't have an "agenda"?
GatorMatt said:
posted on February 10, 2007 5:06 PM — 68.101.77.114 — link — abuse?
Canes_82,
Some teams, such as Florida, play in a somewhat difficult conference, hence the easy OOC games. When Georgia Tech and Wake Forest plays for the conference championship, that really says something about the strength of the ACC
gary said:
posted on February 10, 2007 6:32 PM — 75.200.35.185 — link — abuse?
Well I have never met a gay gator. But most of them are idiots. Anyone know how many games the U has won in a row againest the gators. We got a gift from god last time at the OB. Owned them in the swamp prior to that
Gary
Gatorboy 40 said:
posted on February 11, 2007 2:48 AM — 220.150.42.53 — link — abuse?
JOE (Post41) I can't believe that you are stuck on that why Florida don't schedule Miami shit again. Please answer this' WHY DIDN'T MIAMI ENTER THE SEC, VICE THE WHIMPPY ASS ACC, when they had the chance. They want to join a conference that they thought they would dominate forever. Now they are adverage team, in a poor conference. Fla-State and Miama both could have join the SEC, but they did not. When I think of Miami's football program, I think of Mike Tyson, they were great in their time, but when they lose, they are poor sportsman. If hurricanes wanted to be ligit, they should have joined the most powerful football conference on the planet. You know who that is, that is why you are in the sec blog, isn't it.
fsu.fan said:
posted on February 11, 2007 11:36 AM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
#48
FSU has never been "invited" to the SEC. The SEC was 10 teams strong until 1991 when they expanded to 12 teams by adding the University of Arkansas from the Southwest Conference and the University of South Carolina from the independent ranks. When it was released that the SEC wanted to expand FSU (independent at the time) OFFERED to join the conference, FSU wanted to join the SEC. Instead, the SEC declined FSU's offer and went with USC instead thinking it was a better move for the conference. How'd that turn out for the SEC? lol After being declined to join the SEC FSU was accepted into the ACC on July 1, 1991.
Regan said:
posted on February 12, 2007 4:15 AM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
fsu.fan (#48)
Didn't know that...
I heard rumors a few years back when the ACC expansion debacle took place that the ACC was afraid of the pre-2003 Big East was gunning for FSU. Was that true, or was that just part of the rumormill on the ACC's part?
Also it was interesting that the ACC didn't take South Carolina because of the pre-existing history; there must have still been sour grapes over Carolina's bolting in the early 70's.
Much as I like cheering against FSU when they play Clemson and Miami, I think it's true that the ACC wouldn't be where it is today had we taken USC instead of FSU. Ironically, it is the fact that the 'Noles dominated the ACC for so many years that they became a true powerhouse and gave the conference a standard the other teams have finally caught up to...
...I hope... :)
TampaGator said:
posted on February 12, 2007 9:23 AM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
Joe/FSU.FAN:
The reason FSU and Miami were not invited to join the SEC was because of their poor followings--yes, poor following.
FSU and UM's chronic inability to fill their own stadiums other than for marquee match-ups, turned the SEC off to both programs (any program can fill any stadium for a marquee match-up; the trick is getting people to go see UM v. USF, or FSU v. Wake Forest, at home).
Say what you want about USC, the 'cocks fill their stadium no matter what, and they travel excellently (same for Arkansas).
The thinking was this: USC is a sleeping giant, with a ridiculously passionate and loyal following. They, along with Arkansas, had a lot of upside potential. UM and FSU appeared to be peeking at the time, and even today, after great runs, still can’t fill their stadiums continuously, and they still don’t travel well. What happens after a few bad years? The SEC wasn’t interested in finding out.
How'd that work out for us? Just fine, thank you.
GO GATORS!!!
gatorhippy said:
posted on February 12, 2007 9:47 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Ahhh, yes...
The infamous FSU and the ACC vs, SEC debate...
For your reading pleasure, I give you an article from the May 13, 2001 issue of the Florida Times Union that brings all to rest with exactly how it all went down...
http://www.geocities.com/nolefan_fsu/summary/fsu_acc.html
After reading this article, it is clear that FSU felt like they wouldn't get their due respect with in the SEC and publicly voiced their opinion for the ACC...
As well, many of the professors and administration had history with the ACC and felt that the academic heights of most of the ACC schools would boost FSU's academic reputation...
Also Bobby even voiced his sentimental feelings for the SEC; given growing up in Alabama and even playing a year for the Tide...
He also saw the competitive advantage the Noles would have in the ACC as well and eventually also played into the ACC mind set...
As well, as the fact that FSU officials didn't care for the way that SEC officials portrayed their feelings that it was the "logical" choice to join the SEC "gorilla"...
In the end, the invitation that was to be extended by the SEC was voted to be pulled after FSU's public preference of the ACC...
Of which, it took a second vote and some begging for FSU to actually receive their invite to the ACC...
So in the end, the Noles in reality did have their opportunity to join the SEC...
The SEC just pulled their invite when FSU publicly voiced their opinion to join the weaker ACC...
kirk maberry said:
posted on February 12, 2007 11:37 AM — 67.63.159.10 — link — abuse?
I am a lifelong 'Noles fan. I also brag at every turn about the quality of Florida high school football. Why on earth, are you guys backtalking each other? I am thrilled so many blue chip Floridians stayed in-state? Florida will become the creme-de-la-creme of college football nation once again. When the Gators are up, I want my 'Noles to beat them but when the bowl games come around, I'm doing the chomp. Finally, it looks as though FSU, Mami and Florida are getting all of that home grown talent. Now, let's unite under Florida's college football banner and give our battle cry against the rest of the nation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TampaGator said:
posted on February 12, 2007 11:42 AM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy/52 (or even one of y'all 'noles):
I read that article--it claims two "facts" which I've never heard before, and I question their validity:
1. Florida "blocked" FSU's admission to SEC? How? when?
2. SEC "begging" FSU to become a member? I know the SEC expressed an interest prior to inviting USC, but I don't recall a invitation being extended, and certainly I don't recall a level of interest that would reach "begging" (my recollection was that SEC looked at FSU and USC and extended to USC).
Any clarification on these issues would be appreciated.
Regan said:
posted on February 12, 2007 12:19 PM — 192.24.243.21 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy (#52):
Awesome article. I really enjoy it when speculation and debate is knocked out with cold, hard, facts.
I support/love/will throw empty beer glasses for 3x teams: Clemson, Tennessee, and Miami. I consider myself an ACC guy because I live in South Carolina and have followed Clemson the longest.
I feel that the SEC is still the toughest conference in the nation in football, and is the juggernaut of the college gridiron.
However, I really can't help but love this portion:
>>
Hogan vividly remembers the SEC presentation before the entire FSU athletic department."That very day, when Bob Goin and Roy Kramer sat in the room there was very much a different dynamic," Hogan said. "It was very stiff and very cold. ....
"The SEC in those days was certainly the 3,000-pound gorilla. They kept putting out vibes, 'How could you not want to play with us? We've already got a great deal going; wouldn't you want to jump on our train?' "
Whether real or merely perceived, the vibes generated from the SEC's presentation didn't sit well with some at FSU.
"There was quite a bit of feeling that we didn't want to be entrapped; a feeling among some of the fans that if we go into that conference that has been dominated by the Alabamas, Auburns and Georgias we'd be kind of a stepchild," Miller said. "[That] we wouldn't get the respect we deserved."
...and the rest is history...
Cane_Nation said:
posted on February 12, 2007 12:27 PM — 205.166.218.35 — link — abuse?
TampaGator (post 51)
"The thinking was this: USC is a sleeping giant"
Has anyone woke up the giant yet? Or are you all raking in the loyal fanbase's money while he sleeps? Get the money while the traditional powers maintain their status, sounds like a plan to me.
gatorhippy said:
posted on February 12, 2007 12:37 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Regan (#53):
Glad you enjoyed it...
While the Nole camp is certainly correct about not being invited, they have a tendency to leave out the reason WHY they wern't invited...
Certainly, it wasn't that the SEC didn't want them, as this article shows...
But, that they felt they wouldn't get "respect they deserved" nationally for being in the shadow of the (at that time) more popular and conceived more powerful SEC big dogs...
It reminds me of an old joke...
Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the ACC...
Regan said:
posted on February 12, 2007 12:39 PM — 192.24.243.21 — link — abuse?
TampaGator (#51):
Call it the orange blood if you want, but I really must disagree with USC being a sleeping giant.
While the fan base is rabid for their team. (Lee Corso called Carolina fans the 'Cubs fans of college football), from what I know the fans of Kentucky are as well.
Carolina has chronic issues with winning, and they always have. Clemson's long-term domination of the series is in no jeopardy, so Carolina will never be seen as the dominant football school in it's own state, unless maybe Spurrier lives to be 200. Throw in the fact that other traditional SEC powerhouses compete for and rate higher than Carolina continuously in recruiting (even this year), and the likelihood of anything major brewing in Columbia in the long-term is very unlikely.
The last school to really come from nowhere to powerhouse and stay there (all things considered) was Miami, and that simply won't happen in Columbia.
Expect a few years of a good run, then a return to the ranks of mediocrity.
Gamecock fans will always be passionate about their team, though, so I'll give ya that one. If that was what the SEC was looking for, it got the right school.
gatorhippy said:
posted on February 12, 2007 3:34 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Chris (#45):
Remembering that Joe’s accusation is that Meyer and Spurrier’s ideal was that “upperclassmen are going to be culled and have their schollies revoked for no other reason than they have too many players (to reach the 85 limit)”
Let’s examine what exactly happened with these kids you listed…
Atkins: Asked for release BEFORE his domestic violence ACCUSATIONS (no charges still have been filed) and was denied by Meyer after speaking with family members…After Atkins deemed the requirements to stay after, this incident he again asked for a release and was granted it…
Transferred to Bethune Cookman in Daytona Beach, but left the team after three games…
He has now re-enrolled at UF with the help of Meyer and staff but is NOT a member of the football team…
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/063006/col_3692387.shtml
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=uwire-formerufcornerbackatkinsen&prov=uwire&type=lgns
Thornton: Quit the team before the bowl game and requested his release due to lack of playing time, then transferred to Valdosta State… Where he reportedly left the team before the season started…http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/sports/local_story_361230558.html?keyword=secondarystory
Morant: Requested his release to transfer after a disappointing spring where he didn’t feel he was fitting in…
http://www.gatorcountry.org/wearetheboys/?p=188
McIntosh: DEMANDED his release and decided to transfer to Georgia Southern after spending the spring on the scout team, struggling to learn the offense and winding up at the bottom of the depth chart…
http://www.gatorsports.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060512/GATORS01/60512018
Riley: After playing one series in three seasons with UF, Riley requested and was granted his scholarship release…
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/01/12/Sports/Released_from_Gators_.shtml
Brown: Requested transfer when his mother became sick after leaving high school and transferred to Miss.St. in order to be closer to home…Meyer and the UF staff worked diligently to get Brown eligible as quickly as possible to play for Croom and MSU…
http://mississippistate.scout.com/2/531338.html
http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=558319
Guthrie: Asked for release after deciding that Meyer’s offense wasn’t suited for him…
http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050712foot2.php
Grace: Never played a down for UF and was suspended as a red-shirt freshman by Meyer as the result of a fight in a nightclub eventually requested and was granted a release for transfer…
http://www.gatorcountry.org/wearetheboys/?p=1331
Daniel: After spending two years at UF and never seeing the field; requested release and transferred to Ga Southern…
http://theuffp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1511
Sledge: Decided to leave UF after being injured and sliding down the depth chart…Sledge was positioned at LB but complained he never received the chance to line up at safety or WR as he had in high school as per Sledge’s high school coach…transferred to Valdosta…http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college/2007/01/sledge_leaves_g.html
Boateng: Another little used player who decided to transfer before the BCS championship game was played…Transferred to California…
http://rbbid.blogspot.com/2007/01/blue-chip-wr-transfers-to-cal.html
As you can see EVERY ONE of the kids you listed REQUESTED a release from the UF…
None had their scholarship revoked, even those that had run afoul of the law…
Most requested release due to lack of playing time and wanted to go somewhere they could actually get into a game on Saturday…
Come back when you can think of some more and I'll tear those up to...
gatorstud said:
posted on February 12, 2007 3:56 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
attaboy gatorhippy....i am sure that "chris" will come up with some other bull-sh#@ stat or story to bring us down.....but he just doesn't get.....and probably never will....
and canes 82 #39...."gayturds" huh...name calling....what are you...in the 5th grade......i wonder how many circlejerks (with you, of course being the middleman) did it take to come up with that one...why don't you come back when you hit puberty....in about twenty years...
Joe said:
posted on February 12, 2007 8:33 PM — 65.32.170.228 — link — abuse?
Thanks for the ACC summation by the Jax Times that I believe was actually a 3 part story but it seemed quite accurate from my perceptions at the time.
I think it is important to note that FSU continually requested for admission into the SEC prior to that 1990 time period and were refused every time.From the article (verbatum) supplied by gatorhippy
I am not sure I read the same conclusions that he has from the article. I will supply my opinions separately over certain parts of the article.
Hogan vividly remembers the SEC presentation before the entire FSU athletic department.
"That very day, when Bob Goin and Roy Kramer sat in the room there was very much a different dynamic," Hogan said. "It was very stiff and very cold. ....
"The SEC in those days was certainly the 3,000-pound gorilla. They kept putting out vibes, 'How could you not want to play with us? We've already got a great deal going; wouldn't you want to jump on our train?' "
Whether real or merely perceived, the vibes generated from the SEC's presentation didn't sit well with some at FSU.There most certainly was a perceived perception that the SEC wanted to somehow get total control over the FSU program that had become far too visible nationally with their success. One thing the article does not provide were some of the restrictions and disadvantages FSU was going to be put under schedule wise. JMHO but FSU at the time had a far smaller stadium than at least 5 of the SEC schools ( Aub, Ala, UF, TENN, Ga and LSU). It most certainly would have put FSU at a bit of recruiting disadvantage as to stadium size.
Also, The SEC's offer did indeed appear most "arrogant" like the SEC was doing FSU a favor by even considering them. Frankly I can't blame those in charge at the time for being insulted. After all they had done extremely well head to head in the late 80's against those SEC teams that would agree to play them. ( UF, LSU, and Auburn)
Meanwhile the ACC was far more accomodating in their presentation which also financially was a far better deal."There was quite a bit of feeling that we didn't want to be entrapped; a feeling among some of the fans that if we go into that conference that has been dominated by the Alabamas, Auburns and Georgias we'd be kind of a stepchild," Miller said. "[That] we wouldn't get the respect we deserved."
While Kramer emerged from the five-hour long meeting with FSU officials, declining comment on the school's possible membership, Corrigan forged ahead. His conference call with the presidents went so well that he set a conference call vote on expansion for 9:30 the following morning.
Most certainly FSU was confident that the ACC with the more attractive offer was a done deal. Of course what transpired was not the case
The aftermath
Corrigan woke up on Sept. 12, 1990 certain he had the six votes necessary to move ahead and expand. Duke and Maryland, he knew, would cast the only no votes. He was even more certain that if the league agreed on expansion, adding Florida State would be nothing more than a formality.
In a matter of minutes, Corrigan saw all the hard work on the delicate issue come apart. Clemson, Georgia Tech and Virginia, the strongest supporters on the issue and FSU all along, voted for expansion. Duke and Maryland voted against, but to Corrigan's surprise, North Carolina, North Carolina State and Wake Forest abstained; the equivalent of three no votes.
Expansion was suddenly dead.
"Corrigan was just about in tears when the vote was over," said Tom Mickle, Corrigan's top aide.
"All of a sudden we've got these abstentions," Corrigan recalled. "I've got the athletic directors on another line waiting. ... A couple of them went ballistic."
The resounding voice of the AD's was: "That's not the way we thought we were voting."
Corrigan could have let the issue die, but after conferring with the athletic directors, agreed to have a second vote at 7 p.m., after the abstaining parties had the opportunity to hammer out final questions.Deal is dead but hope remains that perhaps on the revote the ACC Presidents would change but clearly FSU' s plans to join any conference were up in the air.
Meanwhile, the SEC had caught wind of the ACC's intention to hold an expansion vote and quickly convened its own conference call. They voted to not extend Florida State an invitation to the conference.I remember well the same Joe Dean mentioned in the media that FSU was never seriously considered.
Of course this totally contrasted with his earlier statement from the article:
"In early August, athletic directors Joe Dean of LSU and Hootie Ingram, who was at Alabama after nine years with FSU, publicly proclaimed the Seminoles would join the SEC."Joe Dean obviously opens his mouth a lot without actually stating the truth!!
Goin and the Seminoles were in limbo.
Fortunately, the recounted vote came in OK and FSU was admitted. Who knows what would have happened had the ACC continued to vote NO?
Summarizing: Was a formal offer actually extended by the SEC?
NODid the ACC refuse to admit FSU on the first vote?
Yes
Did the ACC vote FSU in on the 2nd vote?
YesDid FSU try to get into the SEC many times before and always get refused admission?
Yes..
Had FSU been dominant over SEC teams in the late 80's??
YES!!------
Question to gator hippy??
How is Atkin's affording the UF tuition without a scholarship??
Gatorboy 40 said:
posted on February 13, 2007 5:50 AM — 220.150.42.53 — link — abuse?
Joe/Gary post 33&35. 6-6 Is hardly worth anyone bragging for someone to play you. You guys were a total TRAIN WRECK this year. You won't do much better next year,,,chalk 8 wins as a great year, but that would be a miracle, by every sense of the word. You guys hate because Gator fans are supporting their team. Had Miami been on the Gator schedule, they surely wouldn't have got the nod to play Oh-ST, for the NC, because Miami would sure as hell weaken the schedule. So hopely the Canes will get it going again, and figure out what approach they will have for 2007.
gatorhippy said:
posted on February 13, 2007 8:25 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
TampaGator (#54):
That's the point of posting that article and putting an end to all the debate...
Florida did NOT block any entry by FSU into the SEC NOR did the SEC "beg the NOles to enter the conference...
FSU simply showed diinterest and a preference for joining the ACC...
Rather than extending an invitation that would be turned down, the SEC voted NOT to invite the Nole for that reason...
Personally, I'd rather have a couple of schools (ARK and South Car.) who aren't scared of getting their "due respect" and have both began to grow and compete in the mnost competitive conference in the country...
Instead of taking the easy road...
TampaGator said:
posted on February 13, 2007 9:12 AM — 152.163.100.202 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy/#59:
Excellent post; thank you for setting the record straight there.
/#54: I don't get your reply here. The Article was the source of those questions. In other words, the Article itself presented that FSU spin (i.e.--that UF blocked FSU's admission, and that the SEC was begging FSU to enter).
I was mainly calling BS on the first part (what sense does that even make? UF wants to HAVE to play a FSU OOC, rather than killing 2 birds with one stone by playing them in SEC, and thereby freeing up another annual HOMEGAME (worth approx. $2mil.) on the schedule?)
As for the second part--that's simply not how I recall things going down. My recollection was that the SEC was interested in FSU, but not impressed. That part about "...the SEC begging FSU to join it" (in the article)--I think is a bunch of crap.
Expressing an interest is a far cry from begging (the FSU spin). Even later in process, according to the article, after the ACC balked at extending an invite (3 schools abstained), and AFTER SEC had rejected FSU from consideration, had the SEC been so desperate for FSU, they could have re-extended the invite, and FSU probably would have accepted. The fact that they didn't (per article) supports my recollection--not only was the SEC not desparate for FSU, they weren't sufficiently impressed to remain interested enough to re-open the door, even when it appeared FSU was available again.
Perhaps had FSU wanted to be member of SEC, and had they shown the SEC its due respect from the beginning--they probably could have capitalized on the initial interest, and joined SEC. Apparently however, they expected the SEC to beg it to join, and therefore believe that that actually happened. I will agree with this aspect of your assessment; they took the easy way, in every way possible.
GO GATORS!!
gatorhippy said:
posted on February 13, 2007 9:49 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Joe (#41):
Considering the Gators had 22 seniors this year, 4 players declare early for the NFL draft and 3 kids transfer or ask for release through the course of the season...
That would put UF at 29 open scholarships...
Leaving one open one for an additional signee...
This doesn't even count any transfers that may occur in the next few months through spring practice or summer...
Possibly opening the door for some more late signees or JuCo trsnsfers...
fsu.fan said:
posted on February 13, 2007 6:30 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy
You didnt read the article you yourself posted well if you think that quote is the reason FSU did not show interest. It has been well documented FSU tried for YEARS before that to get in the SEC and were denied acess. When FSU started showing signs of turning into a great program by going 32-4 record over a three-year stretch is when the SEC finally started showing interest, along with other conferences.
A school joining a conference in that situation is like a school going after a recruit. It has a lot to do with the effort put into landing the recruit, or school in this case. The ACC worked hard to lure FSU into their conference and throughout showed they were MORE interested. After all, the SEC had rejected FSU in the past. The SEC had an overall attitude of "we're the SEC so we dont have to work at trying to convenice you to join us." Kinda like the "Nick Saban attitude," it's been documented NS turned off a top recruit or two with his arrogant, over confident attitude - same way the SEC approched the deal.
The ACC made compelling arguements it would help FSU more financially, acedemically, and in basketball than the SEC - the SEC didnt try hard to counter the ACC's points. The SEC was "out worked" and negotiated by the ACC. Any school would have done what FSU did and went with the conference that WANTED you over one that was "considering" you.
Fans of the SEC (especially gator fans) like to THINK FSU was "running scared" but in reality the ACC out worked the SEC to bring in FSU. It's not all about football, we are talking about universities and their #1 priority is not football. As it turns out the ACC was better than the SEC from an academic stand point.
That's my opinion. Putting myself in a netrual state of mind I saw the article talking mainly of the presentations the ACC made regarding various things, and the SEC didnt. To me it seemed like the ACC just wanted FSU more and won over the "recruit."
TampaGator said:
posted on February 14, 2007 10:17 AM — 152.163.100.202 — link — abuse?
FSU.FAN/#69:
That's kinda' my point; the SEC wasn't all that interested in FSU. They probably would have taken them had FSU shown real interest, but they weren't about to get down on bended knee...afterall, as you pointed out...
...We ARE the SEC.
In rhetrospect, I'd say everyone came out ahead. With all due respect, FSU would not have enjoyed the success they've enjoyed in the ACC; and while FSU is NOW perceived to be a more compelling opponent than South Carolina, that is based largely on the success they've enjoyed in the ACC--and the futility SC has endured in the SEC (not saying 'cocks were more compelling entering into the '90's; I'm mainly referring to current state of affairs).
Had FSU had to endure even mediocrity, they would be drawing less than SC, mired in sub-mediocrity. After 2 NC's and what...like 11 ACC champs? we already know what happens when FSU enjoys about as much success as a program can enjoy over such a period of time--and it's not that impressive. In contrast, it's hard to imagine what will happen with SC if they taste of even a little success, as even without the success, they more than hold their own.
ALL HAIL THE SEC!!
GO GATORS!!
gatorstud said:
posted on February 14, 2007 10:39 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
hey canesindahizzy....you had 4 before 1992..i will give you that, but, only once since then.....now the gators did not have any before 92, but since then we have been to 3 title games and have won 2, and we have a trophy case full of sec titles....how many acc titles do you have, yeah...thats what i thought....oh and by the way...we are getting ready to pick up our second title in basketball....
so go ahead and bark about your titles from the past.....but you have only gotten one in the last fifteen years..how do you explain that coming from mighty miami...kinda average don't ya think....if you didn't win in 2001...miami would just be another notre dame....overated.....
i can't wait till 2008 when the miami ibis's come to the swamp...i wonder what your excuses will be then.....
and if my memory serves me correctly...your title in 1983....you had only one loss in that season....can you remeber who you lost to and by how much....
Chris said:
posted on February 14, 2007 1:46 PM — 128.163.162.118 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy (#59)...
How sure you are that they werent pushed for their release?...you hear second hand accounts...
also this is a lot of transfers and releases within a given yeari like how you trash the players in each thing to make it sound better that they didnt deserve to play on the team...nice
TampaGator said:
posted on February 14, 2007 5:48 PM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
Joe/#41:
[NOTE: I thought I had submitted this before, though it appears I may have omitted to do so].
Review of history: UF dropped Miami after the '87 season--coincidentally after a shellacking by the 'canes to the tune of 35-3 (if recollection serves)--but the reason was NOT said beat down--it was because the SEC added an additional game to the schedule, bringing the total to 7, beginning in 1988.
Keep in mind, the NCAA and the SEC had just stripped the Gators of their only two SEC championships ever (’84 & ’85). Having tasted the sweetness of winning the SEC (de facto, if not de jure), the Gators realized that winning the SEC was far more significant than accomplishing state supremacy. Miami was therefore mostly perceived as just an added exposure to injury which might compromise their ability to win the SEC. Additionally, the added SEC game triggered scheduling issues—i.e. working in the additional SEC game, without sacrificing a home game every other year.
When Spurrier first arrived, he wanted to revive Miami rivalry--by alternating the Miami game with the added SEC game. Problem? The SEC added yet another game in 1992--before anything could be done re. UM--bringing total to 8, and further complicating scheduling (not to mention the additional exposure to injury concerns referenced above).
Even under the new 12-game schedule, the Gators play seven games at home every year. Playing Miami every other year, would mean playing only six games in Gainesville every other year, costing the program about $2 million in ticket revenue and concession sales, and taking away millions of dollars that fans could spend at Gainesville businesses, in those years (paraphrasing Jeremy Foley here).
As for your "flagship" argument—first of all, we don't claim to be the flagship University; UF IS the flagship university of the State of Florida. As such, UF serves as ambassador to the State of Florida in the prestigious SEC. It is far more important to the State of Florida to have a viable candidate compete for the SEC championship, than to have another team simply compete with UM—a small private school—for statewide bragging rights.
So again, I ask: what the hell is in it for UF to play Miami? We fill our stadiums whether Miami or a Western Carolina comes to town. We have plenty of challenge, drama, and great games from the SEC alone; add to that FSU, and there's simply nothing in it for UF to add UM to its schedule--other than increasing the risk of injury, and thus compromising our ability to win the SEC.
Frankly, the only reason it's a travesty to YOU, is because it means one less game to weaken the Gators, en route to their annual rendezvous with your beloved 'noles. Hell, the Gators practically limp into that game every year as it is, after taking a beating through their SEC schedule.
As for Miami—they haven’t suffered too much as a result; 4 NC’s w/o UF on it’s schedule, and the only one with it—’83--UF beat UM 28-3.
See ya’ in the Swamp!
GO GATORS!!!
fsu.fan said:
posted on February 14, 2007 6:08 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
Interesting how our glasses are "garnet hued" yet your are "clear." No doubt your glasses are "blue and orange hued" and like to think one of your bigger rivals were "scared." I understand you would like to think that, but the reality is you took one quote and ran with it - completely disregarding the rest of the articles contents. You're right though, FSU COULD have joined the SEC, on the other hand the SEC COULD have accepted FSU the years before when FSU tried getting in - neither happened. FSU not joining the SEC happened for various reasons, which the article outlined.
However, it's your opinion and clearly you're entitled to it. We dont see eye to eye on this issue so there's no point continuing to debate it.
clemson1981 said:
posted on February 14, 2007 8:21 PM — 72.155.183.122 — link — abuse?
as i said on the UF national champs in recruiting post, why is this a surprise to us? to anybody at all? i mean clemson's CJ Spiller, in my opinion the soon to be greatest RB and or player to ever play for clemson and MAYBE a big maybe the next reggie bush wanted to transfer to UF, while that aint the same as swippin recruits its similar. all players want to play for a winner (unless you sign with duke) and if your a football fan you should know that. a true winner is one that wins a national title, and who won the national title last year? University of Florida, my point, kids wanna play for winning coaches winning programs and have a good supporting cast right now the best team in the state of florida is UF, and kids wanna play there. why? once again they win!!! now remeber im an acc guy and i deff think the U and FSU will be back soon. good luck to all you florida schools!!!
GO TIGERS!!TampaGator said:
posted on February 15, 2007 10:44 AM — 64.12.116.75 — link — abuse?
Cane_Nation/#5 says:
"...Has anyone woke up the giant yet? Or are you all raking in the loyal fanbase's money while he sleeps? Get the money while the traditional powers maintain their status, sounds like a plan to me..."
Spurrier attempting to bring respectability to program--as he did to Duke in late '80's. As for remainder--USC has the same opportunity that UF, Tenn, and UGA have to win every year. We all start with zero wins at the beginning of each season. If the "giant" wants to sleep while the rest feast, thats his problem.
Regan/#58:
"...Call it the orange blood if you want, but I really must disagree with USC being a sleeping giant...."
I'm not saying USC is a sleeping giant; I'm saying that's the preception, and was the perception when SEC invited them. (FYI: UF was considered a "sleeping giant" prior to '80's).
"...Gamecock fans will always be passionate about their team....If that was what the SEC was looking for, it got the right school...."
Yeah, I think that's exactly what the SEC was looking for--tried and true fan base.
"...The last school to really come from nowhere to powerhouse and stay there (all things considered) was Miami, and that simply won't happen in Columbia...."
I don't think Miami really came from nowhere, and as the dust has settled, it is apparent that UM's success makes sense, considering all the talent reigning from SoFla. But I'll agree with your second part---what happened with Miami won't be repeated in Columbia...if for no other reason than they play in the SEC! (although frankly, SC doesn't have anywhere near the HS talent that Florida has, so that's the other reason it will never happen).
GO GATORS!!
Joe said:
posted on February 15, 2007 3:31 PM — 72.186.246.28 — link — abuse?
fsu.fan,
Good post and excellent analogy to recruiting.
Sometimes "beauty is only skin deep" and FSU realized this and went to the wiser choice and never looked back.Very easy to understand FSU's reasons for choosing the ACC over the SEC.
The SEC put on a front that FSU needed the SEC to succeed. As has been proven with both Miami and FSU, that has not been the case as both have accomplished more in Division One College football than UF and just about every other SEC team except possibly Alabama historically.Again, what is the deal on Avery Atkins? How is he affording that tuition?? Looks like Meyer is short on cornerbacks! No wonder he was so reluctant to release Avery last FALL!!
fsu.fan said:
posted on February 16, 2007 7:46 AM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy #71
I am not trying to "spin" anything about that article. I read it for what it was, you took one little quote and based your entire opinion on the whole situation and completely disregarded the rest of the story. Schools consider MANY things about joining a conference - if you think it's only about football amd "FSU was scared" and "took the easier road" than thats foolish. Football is one of MANY things. A school looks at other sports, financial payouts, and most importantly academics.
You can look at it from one quote, from one person's opinion, or, from the entire body of the article and all the other factors into the decision. Either way, we clearly dont see eye to eye on the issue. I am looking at the big picture and all the factors, you're looking at simply the "football side" of things.
Joe said:
posted on February 16, 2007 9:15 AM — 65.32.170.228 — link — abuse?
I realize that many UF fans rail about how tough it is to play in the SEC but since 1988 UFs record against their annual rivals Georgia, Tennessee, and LSU is a whopping 41-14 record. I certainly can agree that the SEC is a tougher conference top to bottom than the ACC but it isn't that much tougher.
Oh and UF's record against FSU and Miami during that same time period...8-17 UM and FSU fear no teams!
That is why they unlike UF actually go outside the state to play other National Powers "out of conference". The last time UF did that was in 1991!!!
I don't think I would play that chicken or easier road card.. gators have slid for years avoiding not only Miami on an annual basis but as noted above play every out of conference game but FSU every other year at HOME!! Yeh! the gators truly step up to the pump towards competition!!!LOLgatorhippy said:
posted on February 23, 2007 3:20 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
fsu.fan (#82):
Go back and read my post at # 52...
I addressed the academics part of the decision by FSU...
As well as several other motivating factors from the article...
I understand what the thinking was on FSU's part...
But still the bottom line remains the same...
FSU had the chance to join the SEC and opted for the ACC...
Anyway you spin it...
Regan said:
posted on February 23, 2007 6:32 PM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
Just FYI, everyone, the statistics for the ACC vs. SEC since 1992 break down as follows:
ACC Wins: 39 (42.4%)
SEC Wins: 53 (57.6%)
Ties: 1This is from 1992, but only includes Miami and VT from 2004 and BC from 2005.
The breakdown is as follows:
BC (0-0)
CLEM (12-11)
DUKE (0-7)
FSU (9-8-1)
GT (7-12)
MARY (1-1)
MIA (1-1)
UNC (3-1)
NCSU (2-3)
UVA (3-4)
VT (0-1)
WF (1-4)Joe (#83) is correct in that the SEC is better (on paper) than the ACC, but 58% to 42% is certainly not domination.
Personally, I expect the ACC (and Big 12) to slowly grow into the kind of powerhouse conference the SEC is, because as time goes on, 'East Coast football' will grow as an identity held by these geographic teams much as 'Southern Football' is seen as the SEC's province.
I could be wrong, but the process of this philosophical change will take about 10 years or so if I am correct...
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Luke said:
posted on February 6, 2007 2:18 PM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?Yeah, Reed doesn't have to "try too hard" at FSU because they have no one better than him.