February 7, 2007
Florida named recruiting national champions
Urban Meyer has done it again - Rivals has named Florida the recruiting national champions for the class of 2007, beating out Southern Cal, Tennessee, LSU, Texas and South Carolina.
Elite recruiting classes are nothing new for the Gators. The 2003 class and the 2006 recruiting class finished at No. 2 in the Rivals.com team rankings. Since Rivals.com has been covering recruiting, the Gators have never finished outside of the top 20.
Meyer and his coaching staff signed four five-star players and an amazing 16 four-star recruits to complete the 27 signee class.
Rivals Top Recruiting Classes 2007
1 Florida
2 Southern Cal
3 Tennessee
4 LSU
5 Texas
6 South Carolina
7 Auburn
8 Notre Dame
9 Georgia
10 Alabama
complete Rivals 2007 recruiting rankings
In addition to Florida's amazing run of top level talent, I was extremely impressed with the outstanding class that South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier signed this year. When the 'ol ball coach signed on with the Gamecocks, the pundits said SS could never recruit a top class to Columbia. Since being hired in November 2004, Spurrier has signed classes ranked #23 (2005) by Rivals, #24 (2006) and now #5 (2007). You have to take your visor off to that guy for doing an amazing job for the 'Cocks.
Comments:
Volunteers_Tenn said:
posted on February 7, 2007 10:34 PM — 68.79.142.225 — link — abuse?
Darryn maybe you are loaded up on brownies this is proof and shows why the SEC is such a dominant Conference. There are just as many SEC in the top ten on Scout and ESPN so it is agreed upon. The SEC is the most dominant conferece and tis just proves it even more.
hokie4life said:
posted on February 7, 2007 10:47 PM — 64.128.214.5 — link — abuse?
POST #1 Agreed!! I think it's interesting getting the recruiting news, but not a life or death thing. I just have a passion for college football. Who would have thought that the defending national champs would have the so called best recruiting class this year. WOW what a shocker!!! It takes more than talent to win ball games. It takes good coaching, work ethic, and determination. Good facilities help also. Frank Beamer don't want the cream of the crop. A descent athlete that shows promise make a great ball player with the right coaching. You never see my boys go after the most prized recruits in the nation. Hey and by the way, we still win football games. Year after year we are ACC title contenders and are a favorite this year also. Take this class ranking just like you should take the pre-season rankings. THEY MEAN NOTHING NOTHING AT ALL!!! PEACE GO HOKIES!!!
Dogfan said:
posted on February 8, 2007 12:28 AM — 71.170.66.68 — link — abuse?
Somebody mark the date. It's not even 1 month after Florida's annihilation of the Big 10 (best ever?) champ and we're already raggin' on the SEC again.
No worries, everybody south of Lexington and east of Baton Rouge has heard it before. Despite having the bigger, faster and better players year after year, the SEC teams plummet in the polls after a conference loss and teams like Michigan expect to play for National Championships.
Rubbish? Darryn, do they have a football team at Oxford?
Gator Boys said:
posted on February 8, 2007 1:26 AM — 66.231.138.222 — link — abuse?
With teams like OSU, Wisconsin and Big East teams playing easy schedules, of course you dont see 7 of 10 SEC teams in the final poll. UF had to play the other 6 teams in the top 10 last year. If we could spread these 7 teams out in different conferences you'd see them in the top 10
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on February 8, 2007 8:12 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
This posting shows how SEC biased Rivals is. Compare their rankings to Scout.com:
1. Florida
2. LSU
3. USC
4. Texas
5. Tennessee
6. Auburn
7. South Carolina
8. Oregon
9. Pittsburgh
10. MichiganGeorgia is ranked 17 and Alabama is ranked 19.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on February 8, 2007 8:20 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
The other way to look at the recruiting classes is by the average rating of each player. Using this method, it shows the actual skill level of the recruits that each team is receiving not just the quantity. The Scout.com top 10 for average rating is:
1. USC 4.39 per player
2. Florida 4.22
3. LSU 3.89
4. Texas 3.84
5. UCLA 3.8
6. Ohio State 3.73
7. Miami 3.72
7. Notre Dame 3.72
9. Michigan 3.7
10. Tennessee 3.63This is the true way that recruiting classes should be ranked because it factors in the teams that will accept any recruit no matter how bad he. A perfect example of this is Auburn which has a total point ranking of 6 but an average player rating of 17. Their ranking is inflated by the fact that they have accepted 10 3-star players and 6 players below the 3 star mark, while they only have 1 5-star player!
David said:
posted on February 8, 2007 8:36 AM — 70.112.218.104 — link — abuse?
If you adjust the rankings based purely on average "stars" the top 5 is:
1. Southern Cal 4.22
2. Florida 3.89
3. LSU 3.88
4. Ohio State 3.8
5. Texas 3.79
6. Notre Dame 3.72
7. Tennessee 3.62
8. UCLA 3.6
9. Georgia 3.48
10. Oklahoma 3.45
I know the SEC is the best conference ever but going by quality not quantity that's 4/10 and Georgia really doesn't belong on that list.
The Big 12 has 2/10
The Pac 10 has 2/10
Big 10 has 1/10
And of course Notre Dame in their own little world.
TrojanHorse said:
posted on February 8, 2007 8:54 AM — 208.54.95.1 — link — abuse?
Rankings no longer mean squat boys, its now what your team does with what you signed
The only thing I see out of this is that those at the top of the rankings can make more mistakes b/c the guys behind them are a bit more likely to pan out than at the schools with lesser depth in the recruiting wars
posted on February 8, 2007 11:05 AM — 152.163.100.201 — link — abuse?War Eagle Atlanta said:
South Carolina really takes the cake with a #4 ranking. What Spurrier did this year is nothing short of amazing. Alabama came on strong in the end. Just two weeks ago they were being ranked in the high 20's.
Auburn may have had it's best class ever. They really mopped up in Florida at the last minute. I think there is a strong arguement that the prep talent in the state of Florida may have supplanted Texas or California for the second richest in the country, or possibly the richest. Of the 7 SEC schools in the top 10, you know every one of them had a healthy crop that comes from the sunshine state.
Gerald said:
posted on February 8, 2007 11:45 AM — 216.113.128.239 — link — abuse?
PAC - 10? PAC - 10? Paging the PAC - 10? Where are you? USC is great, but what about the other 9 teams? Oh wow, I am sorry, there goes Oregon at #11. Way to go Oregon! Now all you Ducks have to do is have two good seasons in a row instead of having a 10 win season every four or five years and talk about how you deserve all this respect. And holding onto your offensive coordinator for more than two or three years at a time? That helps. Losing Jeff Tedford to be head coach I can understand, but losing Crowton in a lateral move? PLEASE! But at least the PAC - 10 has two teams in the top 11. But my ACC? Remember when the ACC expansion was supposed to build a superconference, the best conference in the land, better than - gasp! - the SEC? Well the top rated ACC team is #16! And who had it? NORTH CAROLINA! Who thought that we would have ever seen the day when Miami and Florida State COMBINED FOR ONE FIVE STAR RECRUIT! The best part: THE ONLY FIVE STAR RECRUIT THAT EITHER MIAMI OR FSU SIGNED WASN'T EVEN FROM FLORIDA! HE WASN'T EVEN FROM THE SOUTH! HE IS FROM NEW YORK! HA HA HA HA HA! Well, I guess I can say that the Big 12 represented to a point, with Texas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska looking somewhat respectable, although the days of getting Adrian Peterson, Rhett Bomar, and all those other 5 star prospects seem to have passed Bob Stoops by. Should have gone to the NFL when you had the chance, Stoops! The Big 10 also did, well, OK, but not nearly what Ohio State and Michigan generally get. Must have been those bowl game blowouts! Now the SEC will not stay on top for long; as a matter of fact despite the two boffo recruiting classes in a row (the media did their level best to ignore the great recruiting year the SEC had last year as well), we won't stay on top forever. As a matter of fact, I do not even believe that an SEC team will win it all this year (LSU has the best shot now that the JaMarcus Russell NFL audition is over). As a matter of fact, I think that I am going to predict a USC - Texas rematch in the title game, unless a Big East team sneaks in there somehow.
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on February 8, 2007 12:41 PM — 68.59.5.49 — link — abuse?
Rivals puts a lot of emphasis on the rating of playres by who is looking at that particular player. So when tradional schools like Texas, Alabama and Michigan want a player, the perception is that player must be great.
You have many wonderful and traditonal football schools in the SEC, thus the SEC schools are typically going to be ranked high because they recruit against each other. If a boy from south Georgia narrows his choices down to Florida, Georiga, South Carolina and Auburn, Rivals may ranked him a little higher than he actually deserves to be because of the schools involved. When in fact, the schools involved may have more to do with location.
With that being said, I am sure Florida and the other SEC schools got great athletes and players to fill their needs. Now let's see how many get into school come August, how many leave because they get homesick, how many depart because of grades, how many get kicked off..... And God forbid, how many were over rated to start with.Regan said:
posted on February 8, 2007 1:42 PM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
Gerald (#12):
Sadly, for the forseeable future, the ACC will be down so long as Miami and Florida State are down.
This is the only reason that Spurrier was able to assemble such a huge number of FL recruits to Columbia this year.
Much as I hate to say it, conferences need powerhouses. The nation looked at GT & WF the ACC Championship Game and didn't take us seriously, because neither team has much national street cred.
Look for VT and either FSU or Miami to return to championship level soon (followed by the other); when that happens, the 'big game mindset' will return to the ACC, along with the recruiting buzz.
Also, the ACC didn't do well against the SEC towards the end of the season. Clemson-Carolina, Georgia-GT, and FSU-Florida all went to the SEC, as did both Bowl matchups.
The ACC's expansion was a long-term move (at least I hope), attempting to lock in regions like the Pac-10, SEC, Big Ten, and Big 12 enjoy. The only problem is that georgraphically, the Atlantic Coast doesn't have much commonality football-wise - yet.
Ten years down the road, I believe we'll fare much better, but for the immediate future, I'd bet on the SEC (East in particular) to return to the dominance they had in the 90's.
C-DOGG said:
posted on February 8, 2007 1:47 PM — 76.188.144.130 — link — abuse?
Hey S.Carolina fans,
Let me be the first to say CONGRATS on a good recruiting year. If you recall, I was talking smack to some of you back around October about how your recruiting class would not beat out Miami's. Well....you did. Now go and turn that into a BCS game before those kids move on to the NFL.
Later
C-DOGGM GO BLUE said:
posted on February 8, 2007 2:37 PM — 216.46.212.121 — link — abuse?
Half of the Big Ten bowl games, are B-10-SEC matchup's. So for the Big Ten to win bowl games they are going to have to keep up with the SEC in recruiting........right?
This year the Big Ten won two, of the three, bowl matchups.
The Capital one bowl featured the third best teams from both conferences, Arkansas and Wisconsin. And Wisconsin won.
So I looked up the past five seasons of recruiting for both schools on rivals.com and found that for the last five seasons Arkansas has reruited higher than Wisconsin every year.
To the right, is the ranking given by rivals.com for that year.
2002 recruiting - 5th year seniors
Arkansas - #26
Wisconsin - #50
2003 recruiting - Seniors
Arkansas - #29
Wisconsin - #40
2004 recruiting - Juniors
Arkansas - #22
Wisconsin - #39
2005 recruiting - Sophomore
Arkansas - #24
Wisconsin - #34
2006 recruiting - Freshman
Arkansas - #26
Wisconsin - #42Arkansas is ranked 10 to 24 places higher than Wisconsin every year, yet they lost to Wisconsin.
Every class playing for Arkansas was ranked higher than all of Wisconsin's.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on February 8, 2007 2:46 PM — 216.46.212.121 — link — abuse?
I checked out the Penn st. vs Tennessee recruiting, and I found that Tennessee has recruited higher than Penn st. almost every year, yet Penn st. beat Tennessee in their bowl game.
2002 recruiting - 5th year Seniors
Tennessee - #2
Penn st - #21
2003 recruiting - Seniors
Tennessee - #18
Penn st - #93 !!!! yes 93 vs 18 from Tennessee.
2004 recruiting - Juniors
Tennessee - #11
Penn st - #14
2005 recruiting - Soph.
Tennessee - #4
Penn st - #25The Senior class from Penn st. last season was ranked #93 by rivals.com, and they stepped on the field with the #18 class in the country and beat them 20-10!
Please! let that sink in! #93 BEAT #18!
Quackmaster said:
posted on February 8, 2007 2:47 PM — 198.237.180.60 — link — abuse?
The Oregon Ducks had an incredible Recruiting Class. They signed 12 4-star players. They signed a Defensive Tackle out of Salt Lake City, UT named Simi Fili (6'4" 340) who can squat over 700lbs and can bench press over 450lbs. Also Corner Back Anthony Gildon (who was heavily recruited by USC) also signed with Oregon. This 4-star recruit is ranked among the top 12 defensive backs in the Farwest Section by SuperPrep. Heck, 14 of the recuits signed by Oregon made verbal commitments before the '06 season even began. Congrats Ducks on a remarkable Class!!!
SoonerTaft said:
posted on February 8, 2007 2:59 PM — 68.97.60.16 — link — abuse?
Gerald, it takes a great coach such as Bob Stoops to make a great player out of a good player. Should have gone to the NFL? My ass. Just wait and see how OU and Big Twelve rise to the top again in the next year or two.
Chris said:
posted on February 8, 2007 5:23 PM — 75.64.237.107 — link — abuse?
Us SEC guys just can't seem to explain to the rest of the world how this works.
Take two!
The SEC plays each other. We beat up on one another and even a good team may lose a game or two. Therefore you will never see 7 SEC teams in the top 10...unless we get a playoff system...then?
For example. Alabama will play Florida, LSU, Tennessee, Auburn and Georgia. We lose two of those and we are out of the top 10 in the BCS. See in the SEC we play football. A padded schedule gets you nothing down here. If we could have one year where we play all out of conference games we would have a majority of the top ten teams...but that's not fun!
We like the SEC. We play hard in the SEC and as 2006 showed us our best is typically better than your best!!
posted on February 8, 2007 5:35 PM — link — abuse?
@Tampa Hurricane - Obviously.
Luke said:
posted on February 8, 2007 6:15 PM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?
M Go Blue - maybe it's because the SEC teams that ranked higher recruiting classes had their best players leave early to the NFL. Since Wisonsin and Penn State had worse recruiting, all their recruits stuck around for their full 5 years so they probably had more experience on their teams. Also, you need to factor in coaching, just because a team with better recruits lost doesn't mean that the rankings are flawed. For one, everyone knows that the Arkansas head coach sucks.
fsu.fan said:
posted on February 8, 2007 6:35 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
Well, I'm not going to complain too much about finishing ranked #19 in the nation in recruiting. Record wise FSU was miserable. On top of that
implementing an entire new offensive coaching staff in the heat of recruiting is never good. The staff is GREAT but it does hurt recruiting the first year. The Bowden - Fisher - Trickett - Andrews - Amato recruiting team combination had less than a month to work together and inform and sell kids on the new offensive system; so it will be a much stronger class next year when they get a full year to work on potential recruits. All 5 coaches I listed are very respected recruiters but had very little time to work together to try and land recruits.I look for the new staff to get FSU back to at least a 10 win season next year and pull in a much stronger 2008 class.
Good job finishing strong again though, going from ranked any where in the 30's or 40's to top 20 in only a matter of days.
BTW... insane classes by UF and USC (cal), completely nuts - congrats to both programs
GO NOLES!!!
Jarred said:
posted on February 8, 2007 6:39 PM — 12.178.128.53 — link — abuse?
Arkansas was the better team, Bieliema was the better coach. The people who don't like the polls, probably don't like them because their teams aren't on there. However, Arkansas is always toward the bottom of the SEC, but who won the west division?
bama matt said:
posted on February 8, 2007 6:44 PM — 69.253.62.249 — link — abuse?
alabama had one hell of recruiting class with coach saban only havin a little over a month to go out and recruit with other coaches who have been working with these kids and their parents to try to get them to come to their school for months
clemson1981 said:
posted on February 8, 2007 7:14 PM — 74.242.88.77 — link — abuse?
this should not come to a surprise to anybody at all, and if it does you just need to leave. lets be honest the past couple of years the national champ has gotten the best recruiting class, USC has been the number 1 in recruiting (i think im not too sure but i do belive this is right) 3 of the past 4 years, anybody correct me if im wrong, now they won 2 national titles in that span and lets not forget, they went to 3 of those 4 so that factors in. but the real shocker to me was that OSU did not finish in the top 10 in recruting, that shocked me, but i guess that big of a blow out never helps. and i also think this recruting year validates that the SEC is bar none the best conference in college football, and mayeb the most dominate conference EVER, 6 out of the 10 teams in the top ten in recruting, SEC TEAMS: (im going by rivals.com)
10.BAMA
9.UGA
7. AU
6. Carolina
4. LSU
3. TENN
1. UF
now i went by rivals but ESPN even put 5 teams from the SEC in the top 10. so way to go SEC, yall deserve it, im just hopin one day the ACC will be on yalls level, i think we got some years.
GO TIGERS!!!So Cal USMC said:
posted on February 8, 2007 10:16 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
SEC hypsters, watch yourselves here... THIS is where you get carry yourselves off to feet. Its About Results, not recruiting grades, tailgating, stroking eachother like commies, etc.
Every conference has to prove itself against Other Conferences with o-n t-h-e f-i-e-l-d r-e-s-u-l-t-s.
2006 was a great season for the SEC (I dont mean just recruiting)... Im just saying Carefull with the H-y-p-e.Bleed Crimson said:
posted on February 8, 2007 10:18 PM — 72.146.16.229 — link — abuse?
SEC NON-BELIEVERS:
haha. all yall are trying to spin it different ways. i do agree that quality of the player is more important, but any way you look at it, the least amount of teams the SEC has in the top 10, is 5. more than twice as many as any other conference.
People always ask why?? what makes the SEC so much better. FOOTBALL TALENT COMES FROM THE SOUTH. the NFL has more SEC players than from any other conference. haha DeMeco Ryans went to the Texans last year and in his ROOKIE season, led the NFL in tackles. IF YOU ARE A GOOD ENOUGH NON-SOUTHERN TEAM, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO LAND A FEW SOUTHERN PLAYERS. BUT, the majority of southern players play for the SEC!! Which is why we all witnessed that absolute demolition of "unstoppable" OSU by a 1 loss SEC team last year. and an absolute demolition of Notre Dame by a TWO loss SEC team last year. Can you imagine if the polls wouldve selected Michigan for the rematch??!! i knew ever since Vanderbilt gave Michigan ALL they could handle in the big house, that Michigan was waay overrated. Hell, i dont know if ANY SEC opponent that Florida played got beat by 27 points like OSU did.
Ya wanna know what really sucks?? Now the SEC has EIGHT!!!!!! teams theyve gotta worry about.
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
LSU
South Carolina
Tennesseewe just added Arkansas to the west and south carolina to the east. haha id say the SEC champ next year will have 2 or 3 losses.
just look at how many ACTIVE coaches we have in the SEC that have an NC under their belt:
Urban Meyer
Nick Saban
Steve Spurrier
Phil Fulmer
NO OTHER CONFERENCE CAN SAY THATi don't think any SEC team has a shot of ever going to another NC game again unless they do the right thing and just give the SEC champ an automatic bid. We'll just have to be content with the fact of knowing whoever wins the SEC championship from now on is the best team in the country. Think about it. Florida got a gift from god that they got to play in the NC game and rep the SEC. USC "should've" played. all they had to do was beat lowly UCLA. Michigan "should've" played...haha Michigan got beatdown by USC
godd we have GOTTA change the college football postseason. think about it this way, if the NFL joined college football next season and had a conference of their own, the only team that would've ever gotten a NC bid in history would be the '72 dolphins, yet we all know that any team in the NFL conference would dominate anyone they played. not saying that the SEC is even close to as good as the NFL, but i think you get my point.
T-Mac said:
posted on February 8, 2007 10:36 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC, Clippers, or whatever it is you call yourself. LISTEN, quit with the SEC hypsters horsesh*t. YOU say " Its About Results ". FLORIDA is the National Champion. So Cal Slippers says Its about results SEC hypsters wha wha wha wha wha!! Last time I checked Florida is from the SEC. They won the National Title so quit with the whining crybaby. You know you wanted OSU to wax Florida, but you said otherwise. You would have LOVED it if Ohio State had put a beaten on Florida and YOU know it. You try to tap-dance and say oh I had Florida picked to win and other garbage. You know who you wanted to win that game. You will never admit it though.
FLORIDA=NATIONAL CHAMPIONS
FLORIDA=SEC
So Cal =HYPSTER
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on February 9, 2007 8:00 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
Chris re: post 31. I know that you are a SEC fan, so you must lack some intelligence, but this post is about recruiting classes. It doesn't matter who your team is playing when factoring in a recruiting class, so your previous post is terrible. Either learn how to read the posts to see what is being discussed, or quit posting!
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on February 9, 2007 8:08 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
I'm suprised that the readers of this blog can't understand that the overall rating of a class is meaningless compared to the rating per recruit.
If someone offered to give you either 1 lb of gold or 5 lbs of shit, the choice should be obvious. Teams like USC, Notre Dame, Miami, and Ohio State made the intelligent choice and chose the gold. Teams like Auburn, South Carolina, and Oregon decided to take the shit because there was more. Auburn and South Carolina have 3% of their recruits that are 5-star players and Oregon has 0%! How can anyone believe that a recruiting class with more than half of their players 3-star or lower is a powerful class?
Florida did have a great recruiting class this year, but they are number two behind USC!
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on February 9, 2007 8:15 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
Some news about USC's recruiting class from espn.com:
"The University of Southern California is looking into whether it may have violated NCAA recruiting rules while pursuing highly rated recruit Joe McKnight, a university official said.
McKnight signed a national letter of intent with USC on Wednesday and made comments during a news conference that seemed to suggest communications involving former Trojan Reggie Bush, who is now with the New Orleans Saints.
Former players are forbidden from telephoning prospective recruits, their relatives or guardians."
It's great to see that Reggie Bush not only breaks NCAA rules while at college, but still keeps breaking them while a pro. When is someone from the NCAA gonna grow some balls and punish USC for all their rule violations?
Chris said:
posted on February 9, 2007 9:22 AM — 75.64.237.107 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane
Too much of the U ignorance in ya? upset that you haven't been tapped lately for players with drug problems or rape? Did I hurt your pride in a program that's falling apart? I'm sorry.
If the decision is to be "ignorant" like I am or "delusional and jaded" like you....
I sayVIVA IGNORANCE!!
Now go back to flipping burgers!
gatorstud said:
posted on February 9, 2007 9:22 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
tampa hurricane...oh man...i can't stop laughing.....you called out chris as a sec fan.....hey chris...even other miami fans don't like you...ha ha ha....oh man i can't stop laughing again..
ok im back....
these recruiting nubers and stats are great, but these players are a gamble just like college players going pro....a 5-star player can turn into 2-star turd in a flash..it comes down to coaching..and wether or not this "child" can handle college life with all the distractions...a recruit, no matter how good he is, can also get your program in trouble.....its nice to see florida up there at no 2 in recruiting...but what are we recruiting ...recruiting well doesn't mean it gets you a title....just ask ron zook...zook couldn't even get a sec title with all the talen he had....then in steps meyer and two years later we dismantle the buckeyes on national television.
we, as fans, can only hope that these recruits bring us glory instead of shame...
congrats USC on your # 1 recruiting...
TampaGator said:
posted on February 9, 2007 10:12 AM — 152.163.100.201 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane/#51:
One of the lamest posts I've ever read (for that matter, so was #50-I can't imagine what your posts that didn't make it in, read—thank you KHue, for sparing us).
The concept of "depth" surely eludes you, but then being a Hurricane fan whose team plays a sissy schedule, I guess you don't really need to worry about things like injuries (unless FIU lands some good shots in next year's brawl).
You speak of intelligence, then betray your own lack thereof with meaningless, substance-less posts. Please elaborate on what you consider shit, and what you consider gold, if you're going to categorize recruiting classes accordingly.
RE. UF-USC recruiting classes: ours was superior by depth, which b/t/w, is necessary in the SEC, where MEN beat the hell out of each other on a weekly basis. USC only plays about 3 solid games a year, comfortably spaced out—kinda’ like your ‘canes.
GO GATORS!!
Simon said:
posted on February 9, 2007 11:26 AM — 129.230.244.1 — link — abuse?
Tampa hurricane, That is a classic response from a typical SEC hater. Lets break this down....
1. Miami...crappy facilities, upstarts from the 80's, and they play no one worth a crap.
2.Notre Dame....Great school, But I hate them...ergo they suck.
3.USC....outside the campus total slum, They apparently pay their players well though given the Reggie Bush tapes. Who do they play????
4. Ohio state...they were absolutley mauled by Florida!!!!!
Fact: any SEC team can beat any other SEC team at any time...the SEC is a volitile conference.
Fact: SEC teams get beatten up all year long by other SEC teams.
Fact: the Post is About Florida...they are part of the SEC!!! If you hate the SEC soo much...go to another blog!
Simon said:
posted on February 9, 2007 11:26 AM — 129.230.244.1 — link — abuse?
Tampa hurricane, That is a classic response from a typical SEC hater. Lets break this down....
1. Miami...crappy facilities, upstarts from the 80's, and they play no one worth a crap.
2.Notre Dame....Great school, But I hate them...ergo they suck.
3.USC....outside the campus total slum, They apparently pay their players well though given the Reggie Bush tapes. Who do they play????
4. Ohio state...they were absolutley mauled by Florida!!!!!
Fact: any SEC team can beat any other SEC team at any time...the SEC is a volitile conference.
Fact: SEC teams get beatten up all year long by other SEC teams.
Fact: the Post is About Florida...they are part of the SEC!!! If you hate the SEC soo much...go to another blog!
Cane_Nation said:
posted on February 9, 2007 11:54 AM — 205.166.218.39 — link — abuse?
I'm not on here downplay anybody's class. But, I think the best job recruiting this year came from Randy Shannon. The man had a month to recruit, and without an O.C. for the most part. We still landed the #9 recruiting class, and it did came from quality over quantity. We filled our biggest need, which was at wideout. And all this while the program is dying? Look out Gators, after we actually get a good season of football under our belt again, we'll shut down the State of Miami and Florida again.
And for the record SEC'ers. Which TEAM has the most players in the NFL? That is the best selling point to any recruit.
AU03 said:
posted on February 9, 2007 12:02 PM — 205.255.224.10 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane (#51):
You're taking too much stock in how many stars a recruit has.
I'll use Alabama as an example- Ty Prothro and Chirs Capps were taken in the same class, both 2-star recruits. Prothro is an amazing player (and I hope he gets to play this year), Capps is a joke- most any Alabama fan will tell you that, too, and I agree. DeMeco Ryans was taken the year before, and was a 1-star! The same player who was the MVP of the 2006 Cotton Bowl, 2005 finalist for every major award a LB can receive, 2005 All-SEC, 2005 SEC defensive player of the year (not to mention the stewardship and academic awards), and 2006 Defensive rookie of the year in the NFL. In first game starting for the Texans, he had 12 solo stops.
Also, how much difference is there really between a 4-star and a 5-star? Scout rated Auburn signee Kodi Burns (think Michael Vick, but a little taller, a little stronger, and perhaps a half-step slower) a 5-star, while Rivals rated him a 4-star. Many other recruits fall into the same sort of situation.
BayouBengals said:
posted on February 9, 2007 12:02 PM — 72.149.254.106 — link — abuse?
Well if that is the case #51post Tampa Hurricane, I think that LSU should be ranked second to florida b/c they have 19 4star and 2 5star recruits, and half of the 4star recruits are on the verge of being 5stars. All in all LSU had one of the best recruiting classes despite Alabama and USC double teaming Les Miles with illegal recruiting. Yes, Saban was a prick by bad mouthing LSU's coaches and program to our future commits, while ol' Pete broke NCAA rules by having Joe McKnight speak with Reggie Bush about his allegations. Its obvious that Les is more, and everybody from the south to the west coast needs to be aware of the program Miles is building at LSU. See you on Nov 3rd Bama, and enjoy probation USC. GO Tigers!!!!!
Po said:
posted on February 9, 2007 12:34 PM — 206.248.212.78 — link — abuse?
The rankings of recruiting classes is akin to ranking basketball teams prior to the NCAA tournament, it makes for great discussion, but it doesn't mean anything until the end of the season. I noticed Tennessee signed 31 players total? I'd like to see how many are still there after the first week of practice begins...same at every other school. The point is, these are kids and though many will make it in D1, many will realize that the commitment is too large and these rankings will mean nothing. Also, many coaches are just better at preparing kids than others, no secret there either.
Hypershrike said:
posted on February 9, 2007 12:53 PM — 75.64.237.107 — link — abuse?
Tampa hurricane, That is a classic response from a typical SEC hater. Lets break this down....
1. Miami...crappy facilities, upstarts from the 80's, and they play no one worth a crap.
2.Notre Dame....Great school, But I hate them...ergo they suck.
3.USC....outside the campus total slum, They apparently pay their players well though given the Reggie Bush tapes. Who do they play????
4. Ohio state...they were absolutley mauled by Florida!!!!!
Fact: any SEC team can beat any other SEC team at any time...the SEC is a volitile conference.
Fact: SEC teams get beatten up all year long by other SEC teams.
Fact: the Post is About Florida...they are part of the SEC!!! If you hate the SEC soo much...go to another blog!
no offense meant to anyone other than the SEC hatersBayouBengals said:
posted on February 9, 2007 1:40 PM — 72.149.254.106 — link — abuse?
Marko, to remark on post#6. Are you a fool, do you hear yourself. 2-3 years to develop new recruits, don't be foolish. Here are a few examples to just name a few impact freshman over the years.
1.Maurice Clarett (RB OSU)- helped win National Chmpsp
2.Colt Mcoy (QB Texas)- Broke almost every freshman QB record
3.Justin Vincint (RB LSU)- also won national Champshp,and voted MVP
4.Sidney Rice (WR South C.)
5.Mike Williams (WR USC)
6.Reggie Bush (RB USC)
7.Darren McFadden (RB Ark)
8.Tim Tebow (QB Fla)
9.JaMarcus Russell (QB LSU)and the list goes on..........
M GO BLUE said:
posted on February 9, 2007 1:40 PM — 216.46.210.228 — link — abuse?
bleed crimson,........do you know what your talking about?
First off, in case you did not realize this, Michigan beat Vanderbilt by more than all of the SEC teams except Tennessee...............Michigan beat them 27-7.....BLOWOUT! Also Vanderbilt lost to THE ALMIGHTY GATORS by SIX! YES 6 !!!!! points, so I will use your logic and say "THE GATORS SUCK MORE THAN MICHIGAN BECAUSE VANDY PLAYED FLORIDA MUCH BETTER"!And OKLAHOMA STATE WHOOOO!!!! REMEMBER! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAyou lost to O.....K.....STATE HAHAHAHAHAHA
Tomcat said:
posted on February 9, 2007 2:15 PM — 70.248.27.7 — link — abuse?
#49 T-Mac good post.Is it really the dumbest ever?
JTIrish and some others might disagree.When looking at the XII's recruiting,you will see that the OSU Cowboys picked up some good players as well. Texas and OU usually do the best in this part of the country which is to be expected.
Hookem-HornsQuackmaster said:
posted on February 9, 2007 2:18 PM — 198.237.180.60 — link — abuse?
Hey, Tampa Hurricane, it Oregon "took the shit" as you accuse them of doing, then why did Rivals rank them at #11 for recruits in the nation, and Scout had them ranked #8th? And if Ohio State did such a wonderful job of recruiting, then why did espn rank them 21st in the nation?
OU Fan said:
posted on February 9, 2007 2:22 PM — 84.146.9.141 — link — abuse?
In my opinion and not hating on the SEC, everyone who thinks that just because the SEC has a great year in recruiting makes them the most dominant conference ever is wrong. To me, thats not a good example of dominance, especially with all this being in preseason. I am not an Oklahoma State fan, but the OSU Cowboys wrestling program is an example of DOMINANCE, because they have 34 national championships with 130 individual champions. I'm not trying to turn this blog into something its not, I'm just trying to say what I think is an example of dominance. And I'm surprised my Sooners made it in the top 15 in recruiting because Scouts.com did not predicit them to be in the recruiting top 25. But none of that matters because OU will finish in the top 5 next season and will be the 2007 Big 12 Champions with another victory over the pathetic Nebraska Corhuskers. Go Sooners!
reno said:
posted on February 9, 2007 2:48 PM — 198.208.251.23 — link — abuse?
Re: Tampa Hurricane's coimment about a lb of Gold... It's worth remembering that a football team has more than 20 starters. Having the highest rated guard in the country doesn't mean squat if the rest of the line sucks! It's a team game. And the Gators have quality at every position coming in (as if their current crop wasn't good enough); they even have the #1 rated foot in the country committed to playing for them.
Hats off to Coach Meyer and the "Urban Renewal" in G-Ville. It looks like happy times are here to stay for some time to come....
BayouBengals said:
posted on February 9, 2007 3:06 PM — 72.149.254.106 — link — abuse?
J Boe post#29--- You would probably drop the F bomb to if someone talked about you, they way Saban talked about Les Miles. He tried to take credit for LSU's past 2 seasons.(11-2 in 05 & 06) That greasy SOB also told our commitments that the LSU coaching staff was garbage. So if LSU would have lost 10 games in back to back seasons, we could have just blamed it on Saban? No!! Saban is an a##hole, I have met him in person, so don't blame Les for lashing out at someone who has insulted him, and someone who also crossed that recruiting line that he should not have crossed. You must be a Notre Dame fan!!!!!
gatorhippy said:
posted on February 9, 2007 3:48 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Seems even die hard Buckeye fans are now realizing what is so great about Florida...
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=uwire-commentarypickinggatorsane&prov=uwire&type=lgns
volstrike3 said:
posted on February 9, 2007 4:14 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
I know Big 10 fans are bitter about this but it is not a personal issue, it is population issue. The people and jobs have left the north and mid west for the south. When you go to Florida and Arizona, it seems like almost nobody was born there. The big 10 will never be the premier conference again but it is not their fault.
Florida did have the number 1 class but that is not really accurate. They signed two 5* QB's that are going to be riding the pine for 3 years. I would say USC is the top, I still don't know why Clausen didn't go there. I think he is crazy.
Bruce Adams said:
posted on February 9, 2007 4:45 PM — 70.182.43.2 — link — abuse?
These rankings don't mean much (P.S. I'm an LSU student). In 2004, USC had a better class than LSU after the split title (hyped by the media). What did that class accomplish 3 years later when their recruits had fully developed? How bout 2 loses to teams no where near the top 25 (OSU, UCLA). Then, beating up a horrible Big Ten (uh hem, I mean 11) team in the Rose Bowl (kinda like LSU beating the punching bag known as Notre Dame). Show me results on the field.
One more thing, for God's sake, if Les loses to Saban this year, I will start www.firelesmiles.net in November.
fsu.fan said:
posted on February 9, 2007 6:24 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
Bleed #44
Great post. I was with you all the way. Well, except with the SEC having an automatic bid right to the NC game. The SEC is the most consistent conference but is not hands down the best EVERY year. Also, the NFL thing... totally lost me with that. Pretty sure there are other NFL teams in history that "would have deserved a bid" like maybe some great one or two loss teams. 85 Bears maybe?
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on February 9, 2007 7:18 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
T-Mac, youre reading what these 'types' are saying arent you? ... where am I wrong?
... is it ABOUT Recruiting grades, etc, Tmac ?!T, if youre not one of these hypsters, eh hem, then simmer down -- Im making the admonishment to those hypsters. (TMac, this is what Ive refered to in the past about the hype-nonsense, you know).
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on February 9, 2007 7:43 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
TMac, really, settle down...
Listen to these other posts, the other side of things (which is about just as flawed in their judgement), and keep in mind that I dont "doubt" the Recruit Rating listings, and I Know that recruiting is the life-blood of a program. Listen/read...- darryn says: 7 of 10 from the SEC ? I doubt it."
- hokie4life says: ...I think it's interesting getting the recruiting news, but not a life or death thing... [makes other reasonable points, but then]... Take this class ranking just like you should take the pre-season rankings. THEY MEAN NOTHING NOTHING AT ALL!!! PEACE GO HOKIES!!!
- Marko says: Recruiting "standings" doesnt mean a thing. It takes those players 2-3 years to develop and become factors for big time programs.
Im not making any claims like that TMac, infact I marvel at what Florida & USC managed this year (Ten 5-star recruits each!). Recruiting MATTERS, but it doesnt Assure you of anything (substantive), the Hypsters are the ones that would have you believe that It Does, ergo 'hypsters'.hokie4life said:
posted on February 9, 2007 10:09 PM — 64.128.214.5 — link — abuse?
Here is an interesting little list I was able to find on recruiting. This is for all you people stuck on this high ranking recruiting class situation!!! Enjoy
Boom: DB Adam Jones, West Virginia – With his game-changing speed, Jones had all the qualities of a major sleeper, but was nowhere to be found when the top cornerback picture was taken. He was an explosive playmaker on defense and special teams in Morgantown and is now a starter in the Tennessee Titan secondary.
Bust: DB Edorian McCullough – Texas/Oregon State – The only thing the country’s No. 1 corner covered over the last four years was a quarter of the country as he hopped from one school to another. After failing to qualify academically, he used County College of San Francisco as a stepping stone to Oregon State, where he’s trying to resuscitate his career.
Boom: LB A.J. Hawk, Ohio State – Mike D’Andrea, Bobby Carpenter and Stan White were all rated higher at linebacker, but it was Hawk who forged ahead to become one of the greatest defenders to play at Ohio State. The two-time All-American capped his college career by winning the Lombardi Award before going off to the Green Bay Packers.
Bust: LB Mike D’Andrea, Ohio State – The next Andy Katzenmoyer has had nothing but bad breaks since spurning dozens of schools for Ohio State. He was never healthy.
Boom: DE Darryl Tapp, Virginia Tech – Tapp did get pursued by plenty of programs, but got dogged by most rating services because he was considered too small to play end in college. His response? Three years as a starter and a plethora of quarterback hurries from one of the quickest edge rushers in the game.
Bust: DE Bryan Pickryl, Texas – Following his debut in Austin, Pickryl appeared destined for big things, however, bad luck and some bad wings changed the course Just a little something to help my arguement on the whole recruiting thing.
Luke said:
posted on February 10, 2007 12:29 AM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?
What are you trying to prove hokie? That some unknown players become great and some great players fail? yes you are right, but the majority of the time players that are projected to not be good are not good. And great players will be good. All you showed was that a couple of 5 star recruits got either academically ineligible or got injured.
Keep arguing about your theory that recruiting doesn't matter. Maybe one day you will realize that there is a correlation between the hokies not having good recruiting and the hokies not being a powerhouse football school. Until then, I will applaud teams like Florida for yet again doing a great job recruiting and hopefully winning another national championship in a couple years.
Mooka said:
posted on February 10, 2007 1:22 AM — 68.107.103.190 — link — abuse?
I smell a sanction in the near future for USC. How much crap will the NCAA let them get away with? Obvious crap at that. The latest with McKnight should go as a slap on the wrist, but we'll see if anything else develops. I won't be shocked when it happens either.
darryn said:
posted on February 10, 2007 1:56 AM — 68.224.30.32 — link — abuse?
I Hate USC. Are they ever going to go away. I also Hate the SEC too. The rich just get richer. The best conf. in the country is the sec. The best program in the country is without question USC. Thank god they only had 10 scholarships to give out or they probably would of signed 90 5-star recruits. The SEC has never been better and USC is on the greatest run in college football history quickly elevating itself as the best college football program of all time. My Rebs I think just signed a 1/4 star recruit, though I beleive he just announced he's transfering. God help us. BTW, God must be a Mormon becuase it seems the only decent recruits the MWC got are going to BYU or UTAH.
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on February 10, 2007 11:29 AM — 68.210.26.121 — link — abuse?
Darryn (#87) says...
"USC is on the greatest run in college football history"
There are more than a few Oklahoma fans who will debate you on that observation.
Also, the Reggie Bush fiasco and now the suspected Joe McKnight deal could cause the trojans to spring a few leaks. ;-)
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on February 10, 2007 4:30 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Moox, the prospective violation dealing with RB recruit, Joe McKnight, and the 'telephonic communication' with Reggie Bush is worse than the prospective violation of Reggie being involved in a marketing venture... one of em involves members of the USC staff, the other does not. I think That may be is Key...
________________________
19.01.1 Mission of NCAA Enforcement Program. It shall be the mission of the NCAA enforcement
program to eliminate violations of NCAA rules and impose appropriate penalties should violations occur.
The program is committed to fairness of procedures and the timely and equitable resolution of infractions
cases. The achievement of these objectives is essential to the conduct of a viable and effective enforcement
program. Further, an important consideration in imposing penalties is to provide fairness to uninvolved
student-athletes, coaches, administrators, competitors and other institutions. (Adopted: 1/11/94)
_________________________... And also, how ironic is it that THIS prospective violation might have been set-off by the other alleged violation (regardless of whether its an actual violation or not). If this infraction occured, if its proven, then USC should recieve disciplianary action. Hopefully for a "Secondary Violation", not as a "Major Violation"...
__________________________
19.02.2.1 Violation, Secondary. A secondary violation is a violation that is isolated or inadvertant
in nature, provides or is intended to provide only a minimal recruiting, competitive or other advantage
and does not include any significant recruiting inducement or extra benefit. Multiple secondary
violations by a member institution may collectively be considered as a major violation.
(Revised:1/11/94)
__________________________... these muthrfugkers... Im only half joking when I say that all of these highly-touted recruits should Legally Disassociate themselves (in earnest) with their Parents/Guardians/Family all-together before the recruiting process gets going AND that they should Shut-the-Fugk-Up; whats with these press conferences!?! we're talking about High Schoolers, and crowds showing-up, cheering... just sign the Letter of Intent and Shut It.
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on February 10, 2007 4:53 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
darryn, relax. UNLV/Sanford has to focus on keeping Las Vegas recruits in Las Vegas. He doesnt have to go to California looking for recruits, with the current population boom, the Califorina kids are coming to Las Vegas (its becoming a decent recruiting pool). Look at what the Phoenix area has become; they're now about at the depth-level of an Orange Country recruiting pool. Las Vegas is on its way, 5-7 years from now its gonna be a real quality recruiting base.
Eye of the Tiger said:
posted on February 10, 2007 5:56 PM — 138.163.0.42 — link — abuse?
Socal,
You got that right. The sad part about it is USC doesn't even need to be going through this investigation be/c they don't even need this running back. They are loaded up again in that position, and all McKnight will end up doing is putting USC under a scope.
Gatorboy 40 said:
posted on February 11, 2007 2:32 AM — 220.150.42.53 — link — abuse?
I, for one are glad to see that Florida and the SEC had a great recruiting year, but I don't put much faith in 5 star recruits. Reason being is: for one there are great high school player out there that were not on a high visibility team, or who's team did not do well, thus limiting a great players exposure. If take Reggie Nelson (fla gators cornerback) for example, he was not a five star recruit. But he is rated one of the best cornerback in the nation. Brandon Siler, (gator linebacker) was not a 5 star. Yet, both are entering the NFL draft early, and will go high. Addressing the needs of the team, vice getting a 5 star just because they are star recruit. I saw a 5'6 156 pound running back, (5star). I think he went to the Gators, but to you really thing that he will be effective as a running back in the sec at 156 lbs. He may run back a few kick off returns at best. The five star stuff can be very tricky. I see the the Gators got two more great QB's. I can make sense to get one, and red shirt him, which will give him at least, 2 seasons after Tebow leaves. But, what will the 3rd 4 star QB do on this team. It puzzles me why he would go there. If I was him and I was a die hard Gator, I still would not go there to be number three QB, and I was a 4 star. It is great to have star player at every position, but there are still great high school player out there that are not even ranked because of their team exposure. I think that some of these 4 and 5 star recruits will do real good, however their are still great ones that did not get notic and are very hungry, because of it.
gatorstud said:
posted on February 11, 2007 10:36 AM — 71.114.217.67 — link — abuse?
hey mgoblue #67....you said
"Also Vanderbilt lost to THE ALMIGHTY GATORS by SIX! YES 6 !!!!! points, so I will use your logic and say "THE GATORS SUCK MORE THAN MICHIGAN BECAUSE VANDY PLAYED FLORIDA MUCH BETTER"!
what is that crack about.......i would have to say that michigan sucks more that florida ....seeing how we dimantled o-state in the title game...and how did you do against them...oh that's rite...we all know the answer to that one....
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on February 11, 2007 7:28 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Eye of the Mooka,
wait, I thought you were saying that the Bush/Griffin marketing agency thing was more significant than the Joe McKnight teleconference thing (if theyre true)... I see it the other way around. Again, one happens to implicate members of USC's staff (teleconference), the other one doesNT (Rogue player after the early ca$$$h).
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on February 11, 2007 7:53 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Gator Hip (from other Blog),
joking aside, whoever Florida's A.D. is they deserve a lot of credit... usually the sports media makes Too Much out certian things, they get carried away with 'build-up', so its kinda strange that what the Florida Program has accomplished hasnt gotten the attention/praise that it merits.
... even compared to say, Utah producing the No. 1 Draft choice in the NFL and in the NBA in the same season a couple of years ago.--------------------
USC fans,
whats this about QB Mitch Mustain looking to transfer to USC ??? Is that for real?
... I think we should stick to Quarterbacks from O.C.
clemson1981 said:
posted on February 11, 2007 9:42 PM — 70.153.18.224 — link — abuse?
Once again we have people that dont like the SEC. now its obvious im an ACC guy always have been always will be, but even i admit the SEC owns college football, they win, no matter who it is they win, and they win BIG, i dont think any conference can realy tlak bad about the SEC, because more then likely there team or a team in there conference got beat by an SEC team this year. i know mine did, go damnit. anyways i think the only threat to the SEC's power conference status woudl be the Big 12 or the ACC, i say those because the Big 12 jsut won a NC last year and the ACC is gona get better, but we got a while.
like i always say hopefuly one day the ACC will be as good as the SEC untill then lets all bow down to the greatness of what is the greatest football conference we have ever seen.Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on February 12, 2007 8:08 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
Re: Quackmaster Post 70. If you read my original post about your recruiting class (the one you are responding to)you would have your answer. The ratings that have Oregon at # 8 and 11 are based on total number of recruits. Oregon's recruiting class is comprised of the following: 5-star 0% 4-star 38% 3-star 38% 2-star and below 25%. Anytime a quarter of your total recruiting class is 2-star and below, it means you will accept any recruit regardless of skills. Compare your higher rated class to Miami's: 5-star 17% 4-star 50% 3-star 23% 2-star 11%. As you can see your higher rated class has less 5-star and 4-star percentage wise than Miami's lower rated recruiting class.
J Boe said:
posted on February 12, 2007 9:50 AM — 209.192.119.136 — link — abuse?
BayouBengal #73,
I don't have a problem with someone dropping the F'Bomb in general. The problem with Les Miles is that he dropped it while addressing 4000 people, including women and children. I'm sorry but there is no excuse for a coach that does that. As for Saban taking credit for Les Miles wins, well...HE DESERVES IT!!!! LSU fans keep saying "So if LSU would have lost 10 games in back to back seasons, we could have just blamed it on Saban?" That is the most ridiculous arguement. A blind monkey could have coached that team to 9 wins. It was far superior to its opponents in talent and athleticism and still managed to lose a couple. If I were a LSU fan I would be pissed because LSU just missed another NC opportunity with one of the best teams in it's school history.
I expect that you and other Les Miles supporters are in denial about your coach. Yes he has a 22-4 record, but what you are failing to see is that is a poor job with that stacked team. You guys had a chance to do something great, instead you fail to notice that and continue to support a F-Bomb dropping loser of a coach.By the way, I seem to remember LSU fans calling for Les to be fired not too long ago. That all seemed to change when Alabama landed it's new head coach. Do you guys really love little Lessie or are you trying just trying hide some insecurities?
TampaGator said:
posted on February 12, 2007 11:21 AM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
So Cal/#99:
UF's AD is Jeremy Foley. He hired Spurrier in '90 and bought himself some serious job security; then he hired Billy D, and now U.Meyer (he did catch some grief for the Zook hire, but I didn't hear any calls for his head; he remained very much appreciated). Dickie V. was giving him some love this weekend during UF-UK game. He's a star, and Gator Nation is duly grateful for him.
GO GATORS!!
M GO BLUE said:
posted on February 12, 2007 11:39 AM — 216.46.213.124 — link — abuse?
#96 - gatorstud, I was replying to bleed crimson post #44 where he said this -
"i knew ever since Vanderbilt gave Michigan ALL they could handle in the big house, that Michigan was waay overrated."
So I guess his logic would say Florida was more overrated,and all the SEC but Tennessee, but Penn state beat Tennessee, and Michigan beat Penn state in front of 110,000 screaming Penn state fans, Michigan beat Penn state 17-10, and Penn state beat Tennessee 20-10, and Florida beat Tennessee 21-20.But seriously Florida was awesome in the Championship game, which just goes to show you that anyone can win on any day.
TampaGator said:
posted on February 12, 2007 11:49 AM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
M GO BLUE/#67:
"...Vanderbilt lost to THE ALMIGHTY GATORS by SIX! YES 6 !!!!!..."
FYI: Vandy plays UF tough almost every year. Like most Gator-haters, they play out of their asses whenever they take the field with UF.
Playing Michigan was just an OOC game for Vandy...and, as you may have discerened, SEC folk don't take those too seriously.
GO GATORS!!
M GO BLUE said:
posted on February 12, 2007 12:04 PM — 216.46.213.124 — link — abuse?
Luke post #97, I do remember the Rosebowl, it was 3-3 at halftime and I was expecting a close finish, but Pete Caroll came out of the locker room with a new plan to exploit a weak Michigan secondary and it worked, on the other hand Michigan tried the same old stuff just hoping it would work, but Michigan did start slinging the football in the fourth and scored a couple of TD's and pulled within one score of USC, But Pete Caroll was just too good to give up his lead.
I believe what happened in the Rosebowl and the Championship was this, The Big Ten plays a more conservative style of football which allows the defenses to play more run stop-soft zone defense, USC could'nt run the football against Michigan, but run stop is a big part of Big 10 football, And if you notice Arkansas and Tennessee both teams that run the football lost to Big 10 opponents, but when USC and Florida turned loose their offenses the OSU D and the Michigan D looked lost on the field mostly because they never play against or practise against a offense like the Gators or the Trojans, but I hope the coaches learn and adapt.
Congrats to the Gators and the Trojans!
BayouBengals said:
posted on February 12, 2007 12:21 PM — 72.149.254.106 — link — abuse?
J Boe - You have absolutely no idea what your are talking about. Why would LSU fans be dissapointed in a coach with 2 back to back BCS bowl wins. "which by the way we stomped holes in Miami & ND" I was at the BayouBash and there were about 100 women there and all the kids were in school so gets your facts straight. Its obvious that your invious of our program, I would be too! BTW we did do something great this past season by finishing 7-0 with a sugar bowl a## wooping on the county's football darlings Notre Dame!!! Deal with our sucsess J Blow.......
posted on February 12, 2007 3:23 PM — 65.0.111.247 — link — abuse?
J Boe says:
posted on February 12, 2007 09:50 AM — IP: 209.192.119.136 — link
BayouBengal #73,
I don't have a problem with someone dropping the F'Bomb in general. The problem with Les Miles is that he dropped it while addressing 4000 people, including women and children. I'm sorry but there is no excuse for a coach that does that. As for Saban taking credit for Les Miles wins, well...HE DESERVES IT!!!! LSU fans keep saying "So if LSU would have lost 10 games in back to back seasons, we could have just blamed it on Saban?" That is the most ridiculous arguement. A blind monkey could have coached that team to 9 wins. It was far superior to its opponents in talent and athleticism and still managed to lose a couple. If I were a LSU fan I would be pissed because LSU just missed another NC opportunity with one of the best teams in it's school history.
I expect that you and other Les Miles supporters are in denial about your coach. Yes he has a 22-4 record, but what you are failing to see is that is a poor job with that stacked team. You guys had a chance to do something great, instead you fail to notice that and continue to support a F-Bomb dropping loser of a coach.By the way, I seem to remember LSU fans calling for Les to be fired not too long ago. That all seemed to change when Alabama landed it's new head coach. Do you guys really love little Lessie or are you trying just trying hide some insecurities?
This is your brain on drugs...Any questions?
gatorstud said:
posted on February 12, 2007 3:40 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
hey j boe.....your statement .....
"That is the most ridiculous arguement. A blind monkey could have coached that team to 9 wins".......
if i am not mistake didn't saban have good talent when he coached the dolphins...and remind me again how he did there...blind monkey...huh
go ahead j boe...put all your faith in a coach who has continually lied to athletic directors, owners, players...and the list goes on and on....
so let me ask you this......the next time he stands at a podium, looks into the camera and says he is not going to leave alabama...are you gonna believe him.....if you do...then i have some beachfront property in oklahoma i want to sell you.....
J Boe said:
posted on February 12, 2007 5:52 PM — 209.192.119.136 — link — abuse?
Gatorstud,
Unfortunately you have missed the point of my post. Perhaps I wasn't very clear, but let me claify my previous statements. My first objective was to express my disbelief that someone was defending Les Miles for dropping the F Bomb while addressing thousands of people and reaction of those said people to the bomb being dropped. My second objective was to express a very common opinion that LSU was the most talent rich team in the league and one of the most talented teams in the country. I would go so far as to say that before the NC most people would say LSU had the better team even though Florida won their game. That is why I think LSU fans should be disappointed with the results of their season because I believe it was a missed opportunity and a NC. Your comparison to the NFL is not very relevant considering the parody of that league. If you would like to compare the NFL to the NCAA, then I suggest doing it with someone else. If you are suggesting that Miami's talent level is comparable to its opponents as is LSU's, then you must be suggesting that Miami had the top one or two QB's in the league, along with a size and speed advantage against most of league on both sides of the ball. I don't follow the NFL very closely, but maybe this is true.All of this being said, I stand by my statement of "That is the most ridiculous arguement. A blind monkey could have coached that team to 9 wins".......because I have actually seen this monkey and he is not to be taken lightly.
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on February 12, 2007 7:10 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Tampa Gator,
Even the Texas A.D. has to give Florida's Jeremy Foley his due -- Texas being is another school thats highly competative in multiple sports. Given Florida's relative lack-luster history in athletics (in terms of National Championships, etc), and their teams' current postion particularly in Football & Basketball (where they could concievably win Back-to-Back Titles in BOTH Sports), its that much more 'noteworthy' for Jeremy Foley.
Ron Zook was a bad move, but thats how things go sometimes. Not a lot of people in So Cal were happy with (USC's A.D.) Mike Garrett's hiring of Pete Carroll at the time... but I think he's been 'forgiven' too.
Dan Guerrero, UCLA's AD is another guy, sortava up-n-comer... fired Steve Lavin, hired Ben Howland... fired Bob Toledo, hired Karl Dorrell. UCLA Football/Dorrell is still in a 'wait-n-see' mode, but Im sure beating USC carried some weight; 2007 might be a make-it or break-it year for em.
C-DOGG said:
posted on February 12, 2007 8:14 PM — 76.188.151.68 — link — abuse?
Cane Nation,
Re: post#60Couldn't have said it better myself. "The U" is the only school that can claim to be THE BEST pipeline to the NFL. Anyobody want to tell me who scored the first two touchdowns in the SUPERBOWL? Try Devin Hester and Reggie Wayne. By the way, they had a one on one moment 6 days later in the PROBOWL. We still own the state of Florida! Go Canes!
clemson1981 said:
posted on February 12, 2007 8:14 PM — 70.153.18.224 — link — abuse?
J Boe or w/e your name is:
im a dolphins fan and have been my whole life, i delt with saban for 2 years as the head coach of my beloved fins, it might have been the worst two years the franchise has ever seen. he never did anythign to strengthen us on offense, he let the d get old, and worst of all he lied to us all about him not leaving, good luck with him as your hc at bama, he will be there till croom gets fired at MSU and thats his next stop, if not there then penn state after joe pa retires. as for LSU being coached by a blind monkey and still get 9 wins, thats crazy, you think any old coach can coach an SEC school (exceptions include MSU and VANDY, because those two teams suck) no didnt think so. its the hardest conference and schools dont just hire any coach he has to have a history of winning and pushing his players (once again exceptions include vandy and msu). les miles is a good coach, he will win at LSU WAYYY before saban wins one at bama, you can bank on that.hokie4life said:
posted on February 12, 2007 8:51 PM — 64.128.214.5 — link — abuse?
Luke, I'm not bashing the Gators. Much respect, they are national champs. Unless the Florida sun has baked your brain, you may have noticed the Hokies usually are found in the top 10 to 15 year in and year out. Don't give me a load of crap about UF being a power house. First SEC title since when??? Yeah you got my point, because UF had the best so called recruiting class means absolutely nothing. What happened at Auburn last year??? Any team can beat the next team in college football!! I'm very sure that Vahh Tech plays at the level that they need to play at to win titles, Vahh Tech has been ACC title contenders for several years now. Let's not get sour though. I wish all teams success. Unless they play the Hokies. Peace
fsu.fan said:
posted on February 12, 2007 10:35 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
J Boe
I find it funny you should mention how LSU going back to back years with only TWO loses is a let down from what Saban did. Are you aware of Saban's record at LSU? Even AFTER his NC year? Enlighten me. Les Miles has had two seasons with only two loses, playing in the SEC. If I'm not mistaken, pretty sure I'm not - Nick Saban only had ONE year at LSU with LESS than THREE loses. Actually, Nick had seasons at LSU with FOUR and FIVE loses. So explain to me your logic regarding Les Miles being a failure as a coach when Nick's record is even worse.
Cussing aside, I'm not here to talk about that incident because honestly I know nothing about him dropping an F-bomb. As a football coach though, I've seen nothing to point to Les Miles being a bad coach. He has a better record at LSU than any TWO years Nick Saban was there, go ahead, pick any two Nick Saban years - they dont even have to be back to back years, just any two. Even his NC year, guess what? Miles two years at LSU, have a better record and TWO BCS bowl wins. Chew on that.
Gatorboy40 said:
posted on February 13, 2007 12:03 AM — 138.163.160.42 — link — abuse?
M GO BLUE (POST 67) Got a couple of questions for you, What was the score in bowl game with Mich against USC??? Also, who won the game???? (DDaaahhhhhh). If you get some satisfaction for using the Gators as a measuring stick for Michigan, then use them. When you made your little elementary comparison in post 67, you forgot to figure in the final bowl results. Do you really believe that you can judge a team by margin of points, that they win by. The Gators loss to Auburn, Auburn loss to Ga-Bulldogs, and Arkansas, but the Gators beat both teams. What this all amounts to is, YOUR ANALYSIS DON'T MEAN SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Michian CRAPPED OUT in the end, just like they always do.
Gatorboy40 said:
posted on February 13, 2007 12:33 AM — 138.163.160.42 — link — abuse?
J Boe (Post (111) One thing that I would like to clarify in your 111 post. You stated that before the NC game, MOST PEOPLE would say that lsu had the better team. Who are MOST people. Do you mean those lying ass people, that said that the Gators would not win the SEC, nor the NC. As for the talent rich down ther in lsu, I can't really debate that, because I don't follow lsu, but IN YOUR OPINION, do you also believe that, if a team is the most TALENT RICH, and the most TALENTED TEAM, then that should transpire on paper, in the wins and loss column, to some degree. Also don't put too much faith in what MOST people say, because those people, have been ranking Notra Dame very high every year. THOSE PEOPLE, also said that Fla was an under-dog to USC. THOSE PEOPLE could also have mislead you in saying that your Tigers are the better team in the League. Just focus on the win and loss column, and tune out THOSE PEOPLE.
darryn said:
posted on February 13, 2007 3:30 AM — 68.224.30.32 — link — abuse?
SO CAL CLIPPER
Let me point out the obvious. As long as UNLV is in the MWC, UNLV will very likely not become an elite program. Of course you can find exceptions like coach Tark in basketball (Big West) or a Urban Meyer at Utah but these are by far the exceptions. If you're a 4 or 5-star recruit you are not going to a UNLV simply because history proves this out. Look at some of the better players from this city the last ten years. They went to the Pac-10 or Big-12. If it came down to population and recruiting the local players than San Diego State would be in the top 10 consistantly with the talent coming out of the greater San Diego area every year. San Diego State has the exact same problem we here in Vegas have, They play in the MWC. I understand some programs find coaches who's skill levels and evaluation of players create the exceptions out there, but remember they are the exceptions and even when it does happen that coach usually leaves for one of the BCS schools. UNLV should across the board have one of the better all around programs in the country (all sports) but until the MWC improves or UNLV leaves for another conf. (unlikely) it will be business as usuall here in Vegas. Lastly, even with Phoenix's growth it still does not come close in producing the amount of Div 1 players as the OC does. With major Football factories like Mater Dei, Mission Viejo, Capistrano Valley, Servite and Edison just to name a few Phoenix has a ways to go to close the gap in talent.
darryn said:
posted on February 13, 2007 3:39 AM — 68.224.30.32 — link — abuse?
Ramblin
If you noticed I said USC "is on" the greatest run in college football history. It's not over yet. This coming season you will find them once again in the #1 or #2 spot when the polls open and next year "08" they very likely will be at the top of the polls again with all the young players and recruits they been getting. I will agree that the last four years there is a ligit arguement but by the end of this next season there will not of been a better five year run in college football no matter what program you look at including Oklahoma's. That's just the reality whether we like it or not.
Bleed Crimson said:
posted on February 13, 2007 9:37 AM — 207.157.17.19 — link — abuse?
LES MILES SUPPORTERS:
haha. okay so yall think your coach is reeely somethin huh. don't lie to yourself. i recently went to an LSU game, before Shula was fired, and everyone HATED Les Miles. Everyone was pissed off that their team wasn't performing up to the level that it should've. Sure, they beat an overrated Notre Dame and an overrated Miami back to back. hmmm...WHERE'S THE FREAKIN HARDWARE???? No National Championship...No SEC Championship...hmmm Okay, so Les Miles is 22-4 as the head coach at LSU. Nick Saban was 22-4 in his last two years as the head coach at LSU...Nick Saban also won a National title and an SEC title.
He only spent five years in the SEC but clearly is one of the best who has ever coached in the league. Turning around a mess, Saban won the SEC championship in his second year and a national title in fourth season. If Saban had stayed in Baton Rouge, some think he could have rivaled Spurrier's mark at Florida.
All that is different now is two years and a change of address. Oh, and something else. Saban is now at Alabama, a school that has one of the best facilities in the country and among the richest names and traditions in college football history.
Bottom line: If he could become the top coach in college football at LSU, a school that had fallen off the radar screen, he can do it at Alabama.
That's why Alabama fans are so optimistic and confident with Saban on board. It's also why LSU fans (and coaches) -- and those of other schools -- are so green with envy. They know what Saban is capable of doing. They've seen it first-hand. Now they are fearful he'll do it all over again at Alabama, and if history is any indicator, they have good reason for their fear.
JmanAU said:
posted on February 13, 2007 10:02 AM — 12.6.13.222 — link — abuse?
So Cal Clippers,
You're right about Zook, bad move. But he is cleaning up in recruiting at Illinois of all places, and may be competeing against the BAD 10 next year.
Found a funny story about the Zookster here...
Zook Relentless In Recruiting Top Talent For Next Head Coachgatorhippy said:
posted on February 13, 2007 11:12 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
SoCal (#112):
Not sure where you are getting your info on UF from but...
Florida has won a total of 18 NCAA sanctioned team national titles plus the two MNC titles for football...
153 different individual athletes have claimed a total of 203 NCAA titles in their individual athletic endeavors...
Even compared to Stanford; this is hardly a "relative lack-luster history in athletics (in terms of National championships, etc.)"...
Foley is largely to credit for this, as the athletics programs have exploded under his leadership since he took over as AD in 1992...
Working in the UF Athletics office is the only job this guy has ever had...
Starting as a Ticket window intern and eventually becoming the AD...
For more on Foley...
http://www.gatorzone.com/foley/
Just for good measure...
UF's 171 total SEC titles in 19 different sports leads the league...
Since 1968, 105 UF student-athletes representing over 20 different countries have participated in the Olympics...
Winning 69 medals, 35 of which were Gold...
Check it out here...
gatorstud said:
posted on February 13, 2007 11:46 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
j boe...i still have to disagree w/ you .....you can't just dismiss what miles has done just because they were sabans recruits.....if thats the case then why aren't you stickin up for dinardo....i know that lsu fans couldn't wait to get rid of dinardo but weren't those his recruits at lsu that saban won with...
saban did well at lsu because he didn't have too do much.....the talent was already there and any sec fan will tell you that death valley is one of the toughest, if not the toughest, places to play... especially on a saturday night....it didn't matter if lsu had a losing record..they still were tough....all saban had to do was get that talent to perform.....and i will say that he definately did, but lets not put too much into it...." A BLIND MAN" could of done just as good of a job as saban......
if we were to take your assesment on lsu...then why don't we stop giving credit to
lou holtz - won quickly at ND
bob stoops - won quickly at OKLAHOMA
dennis erikson - won quickly at MIAMI
pete carroll - won quickly at USC
and there are a lot more.....we can't take away what these coaches brought to their respective programs just because there was a ton of talent there already....i will agree with you on that lsu had a very talented team...one of the best in the sec.....but that is why they play the games on the field...florida caught them on a down game and lsu payed for it dearly....no sec title.....thats just the way it goes.
gatorhippy said:
posted on February 13, 2007 12:33 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
SoCal:
In regards to the above post...
It is true though that UF has increased their number of NC's in all sports after the promotion of Foley in 1992...
So, in that regard I can see where you were going with the "history" thing...
Most of the Gators sucess has come under Foley in more recent history...
Another boon to Jermey Foley...
OU1973 said:
posted on February 13, 2007 2:33 PM — 63.170.35.88 — link — abuse?
Since there has not ben any new subjects to talk about on this sight lets ask ourselves why? No one is talking about the recruiting violations that have obviously went on at USC, but today I have read something on the Sooners that has been reported I can not help but ask myself why please report something about this so we can all see what is going on with the USC violations that we all know have taken place. Again I am sorry to bring this up on this blog but this will let me know if the people who run this sight are true and fair or just USC fans and do not want to report on it come on guys don't be a puss post the subject so that the rest of us can zero in and discuss it. We all no that Reggie Bush did it and that Pete and USC covered it up at least the Sooners were stand up enough to report it and sanction ourselves. Again when anything happens with us it is front page news I guess we really are the biggest program around. USC fans you know your guys are guilty now they need to stand up and say it be a man if they know how to. And for the people who run this sight post something on the USC discussion don't be that way.
TampaGator said:
posted on February 13, 2007 4:33 PM — 152.163.100.202 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy/#114-115:
SoCal/#112:My apologies...apparently my memory isn't what it used to be....must be alzheimers setting in prematurely. I could have sworn that Foley hired Spurrier, but obviously if he didn't start until '92, SOS would have to have been hired by his (Foley's) predessor.....was it Bill Arnsparger?
Yes...a quick check shows that it was Bill's doing. My bad.
Anyway, Foley gets credit for UMeyer, BillyD, Lon Kruger, Pat McMahon, Rhonda Faehn...
Quick note re. Zook: not a bad hire under the circumstances. He was hired on the fly since Spurrier jumped ship with little warning. Few name coaches wanted to follow Spurrier, so Foley had to go with his gut, and not much to choose from.GO GATORS!!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on February 13, 2007 6:37 PM — 71.103.237.97 — link — abuse?
Yes, the Gators did very well. But, as usual, the Trojans landed 18 recruits with the highest average rating of any class in history. The Trojans simply did not have the 30 scholarships that Florida has to hand out. Even still, Southern Cal finishes 2nd behind Florida - only a couple of hundred points behind. Next year, USC rolls unbeaten over every single team and claims an undisputed National Championship. Meanwhile, both Florida and Ohio State lost way too much.
Tommie T
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on February 13, 2007 6:37 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy it's great that you can claim that Florida has won 18 NCAA sanctioned titles, but only 3 of those are from sports that anyone cares about.
fsu.fan said:
posted on February 13, 2007 6:44 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
J Boe #102
Are you serious? I dont have an opinion on Les Miles cussing because I know nothing about that instance but, you're talking bad about the coaching job he's done? Are you nuts?
Les Miles has done better at LSU than Nick Saban did. Yes, NS won a NC - congrats on that ONE good season. What did Saban do the next year? 9-3. Nick Saban only had ONE year at LSU with LESS than THREE loses, including 8-4 and 8-5 records. Les Miles has yet to have a three loss season at LSU. Explain something to me, how can Nick Saban go 10-3 one year than turn around and go 8-5 the very next year!? After that he won his title and dropped back off to 9-3, not a very CONSISTENT coach is he? Les Miles has done a great job at LSU, he took Saban's 9-3 team and went 10-2. Infact, take Saban's NC year plus ANY other year (doesnt even have to be back-to-back years) and Les Miles has the same record or BETTER than Saban, plus two BCS bowl wins. Saban 5 years at LSU - two BCS bowl wins. Les Miles 2 years at LSU - same # of BCS bowl wins.
Les Miles hasnt had a NC at LSU yet but I would be suprised if he didnt get one. He's a good coach.
Tomcat said:
posted on February 13, 2007 8:34 PM — 66.142.89.150 — link — abuse?
Where can I purchase this monkey?
Tommie T and others, recruiting has changed such to a point, that schools are looking a kids earlier and earlier.Sure most of these guys come highly recommended and have outstanding High School numbers and records.Most of their stats and accomplishments were against inferior players.
There are about 350 players from Texas offered Div-1A scholarships, some are 2 star and some are 5. These are all just predictions, some kids get two offers and some kids get ten.
Each team has needs to fill and a limited number of scholarships.Each student athelete will need time to develop and earn his spot on the depth chart. Sure some highly recruited guy might not pan out due to a number of things like poor acedemics, injuries or poor personal judgement issues.
These guys are recruited at 15, 16 and 17 years old. They're kids, so nobody really knows which ones are gonna screw up, get hurt,transfer early etc. etc.
Just because a team signs several 4 star and 5 star recruits doesnt mean that they have the best recruiting class for that perticular year, nobody really knows how great that class really is until 3,4 or 5 years down the road.
Hookem-HornsSo Cal USMC said:
posted on February 13, 2007 9:31 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Gator Hippy,
The top of Post 99, I brought over from the other blog in case you missed it (blog closed)... as for Post 112, yeah I was giving the guy credit, noting the fact that Florida's success has been in Football and Basketball (men's/premiere sports) AND where-as Programs like USC, UCLA, and Texas have Amazing athletic history (ei, 95 Titles, 100 Titles, 44 Titles, respectively), Florida didnt have that kinda of success/history (18 Titles). In that respect, it makes it bit more noteworthy to me.
Florida Titles:
Golf - 4
Football - 2
Swimming & Diving - 2
Basketball - 1
*Girl Sports - 9Girl's Gymnastics aside, Florida has won 2 of their 3 most significant Titles Ever, while under this guy (if Im not mistaken).
So Cal USMC said:
posted on February 13, 2007 10:05 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Tommy T !!!
Now Im worried.
The Raiders being interested, the Dolphins, the Cardinals... none of it concerned me TOO much, but now...The San Diego Chargers fired Marty Schottenheimer !
I dont have a good feeling about this... to a guy like Pete Carroll with the personnel that the Chargers have, its like a Super Bowl Championship just sitting there waiting to be claimed. I dont know if he can resist this time.
Where's Bob Stoops ?! He'd be a good NFL Coach. Bob, go to the NFL!
Come on, where's Kirt Ferentz?! Isnt everyone always gushing over this guy eventually being a great NFL Coach ?!
Urban Meyer, its been 2 years at Florida, time to Move-On again, and you'd love San Diego!
Nick! Nick Saban, come on bro, forget Alabama... College is beneath You, Nick, everyone knows that.
Dennis Green? "Re-Tread, Shme-Tread"
... okay, okay NFL... Brennan Carroll.
Take Brennan, Pete Carroll's son, USC's Tight Ends Coach, but thats It!So Cal USMC said:
posted on February 13, 2007 11:01 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
See, things were just going too good, something like this was bound to happen (even the prospect of penalties due to alleged NCAA infractions wasnt too worrisome).
I was just sitting here...- enjoying the anticipation in Las Vegas over the NBA All-Star Festivities this weekend...
- getting ready to watch the Clippers, down the 2nd-half stretch, Battle for a Playoff spot...
- loving the resurrection of Runnin Rebels Basketball (UNLV's currently No. 12 in the RPI)...
- pleasantly surprised with Tim Floyd & USC Basketball (18-7; AP 22nd) being competative again (not relevant since the Sam Clancy/David Bluthenthal days)...
- looking forward to another USC, Title-Contending, Football season...
- listening to recent reports that David Stern (NBA Commish) has changed his stance, will not stand in the way of Las Vegas getting an NBA Franchise (some say a plan for an Arena is already in the works)...
- wondering how the De La Hoya-Mayweather fight is gonna compare to other huge fights in history (Cinco de Mayo is just around the corner)
... But now ?! The Chargers... Pete Carroll... its inevitably.
... I was even begining to enjoy the NFL via the Chargers, ironically enough. Now its gonna be so strange seeing Pete Carroll on the sidelines Not in USC attire.T-Mac said:
posted on February 13, 2007 11:23 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
So Cal, I wouldn't worry too much about Carroll bolting USC for the Chargers. He tried to make a run in the NFL and it wasn't for him. I think that chapter is closed. Also, why would he even entertain the thought of leaving USC with that talent returning? The cupboard is Stocked. Very well. T-Mac
J Boe said:
posted on February 14, 2007 9:10 AM — 209.192.119.136 — link — abuse?
You guys are right, Les Miles is a better coach than Nick Saban. I don't know what I was thinking. You guys are right, Nick Saban inherited a National Championship program and deserves no credit for the programs current condition. You guys are right, Death Valley has always been tough, I guess thats why Alabama didn't lose there for 31 years until Nick Saban got there. You guys are right, Les Miles has done a better job than Nick Saban ever could.
I don't recall there being any love for Les Miles until Nick Saban returned to the SEC. I want the LSU fans on this site to deny that they wanted Les Miles out of there. Wait nevermind, let's wait 2 years and continue this discussion because I done with it.
TampaGator said:
posted on February 14, 2007 11:52 AM — 152.163.100.202 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC/#137-8:
I've gotta' hand it to you...I've had that Charger's firing in the back of my mind for the past 24 hours....couldn't figure it out...
...SD has such a good season that Miami hires their DC to be HC, and Dallas hires their OC to be HC, so what does SD do? Fires their HC (a legend), for no one in particular. What???
Your theory sounds very plausible....at least it lends some rationality to an otherwise inexplicable development.
...Pete Carroll, coach of the Chargers...
...it comes full circle; it makes the USC/Bush saga seem a hell of a lot more serious than previosly thought (as Tommie Trojan pointed out in other thread: very telling that coaches were NOT running for cover).
Very interesting insight...thanks for posting.
Good luck next year.
GO GATORS!!
M GO BLUE said:
posted on February 14, 2007 1:18 PM — 216.46.213.148 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, I hear ya! I hear Michigan state university has been talking to a 7 year old rocket football star in my area, and they are using their HUGE indoor playground and unlimited sparty spartan rides to attract the kid to Michigan state =)
(im joking.......but nothing would suprise me)
M GO BLUE said:
posted on February 14, 2007 1:48 PM — 216.46.213.148 — link — abuse?
SoCal usmc, Kirk ferentz! hahaha even Loyd Carr can beat him 2 out of 3 games! HE LOST TO THE INDIANA HOOSIERS!!!!! that says it all.
Kirk if you read this, STAY AT IOWA! they love you! the rest of the Big Ten loves you, even the hoosiers, but the NFL has no love!
gatorhippy said:
posted on February 14, 2007 2:01 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
TampaHurricane (#132):
Would expect about as much from a guy rootin for a school with a measley 5 NCAA sanctioned titles...
Why don't you ask the Cane athletes that play the Sports "that nobody cares about" how they and their families feel about their accomplishments...
TampaGator said:
posted on February 14, 2007 2:52 PM — 64.12.116.75 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane/#132:
The UNIVERSITY of Miami is nothing more than a football and a baseball franchise, right?
U can't address issues regarding education, academics, research, grant money (though you’re quick to attack other’s “intelligence”); U can't address issues related to other sports, or those little events that no one cares about (U know, like the OLYMPICS); U can't address issues relating to fan following, tradition, sales of paraphernalia... none of that.
All U got is 5 NC’s “earned” either as an independent, or as a member of the Big Easy conference, and a whole lot of empty seats at the OB.
That’s all U got.
GO GATORS!!
gatorhippy said:
posted on February 14, 2007 3:46 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
SoCal:
Couple things...
#136 - Right on, we're on the same page here...
Foley has indeed been a huge boon to UF athletics with over half of the team titles won in the history of the school coming during his 15 year stint...
Interesting side note...UF has won at least one team or individual National Championship since 1981...
Not sure how that measures up to other schools but pretty impressive none the less...
#137 - Meyer won't ever be an NFL coach...
It doesn't fit his coaching personality...
Here's a link to an article by Orlando Sentinel Columnist Mike Bianchi where he offers why Urban won't ever be heading to the NFL...I don't think Carroll will be leaving for the NFL again anytime soon...
JMHO, but it would be a Dumb move, even at talent laden San Diego, given how great he has it at USC...
But if the Bush crap picks up speed and the sanctions rumors start to swirl...
Another NFL stint might look attractive...
gatorhippy said:
posted on February 14, 2007 3:48 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Oops...
"Interesting side note...UF has won at least one team or individual National Championship since 1981..."
Should have read:
"Interesting side note...UF has won at least one team or individual National Championship EVERY YEAR since 1981..."
TampaGator said:
posted on February 14, 2007 4:28 PM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC/#136:
"...Girl's Gymnastics aside, Florida has won 2 of their 3 most significant Titles Ever, while under this guy (if Im not mistaken)...."
Presumably the 3 Titles you are referring to are FB NC's of '96 and '06, and Basketball NC of '06.
I think I may have caused some confusion here. While Jeremy Foley didn't hire Steve Spurrier, he was AD when UF won its first FB NC in '96. So while it may not have been his guy, it was won on his watch.
GO GATORS!!
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on February 14, 2007 4:35 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy you should check you facts before you post. Miami has more than 5 NCAA sanctioned titles. The have 5 in just football alone. That isn't taking into account their 4 in baseball. I won't even bother checking listing all the individual titles that Miami has because the only NCAA titles that matter are in the major sports (football, basketball, baseball, hockey?).
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on February 14, 2007 4:54 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy all you need to remember is this:
Miami 5 football championships; 4 baseball championships
Florida 2 football championships; 1 basketball championship.The comparison shows just which team has the measley championship history. Not only is there is only 1 major sport that Florida has more championships than Miami, but Florida is not even close in in championships to Miami in the other sports.
You can keep bragging about how a Florida "athlete" was able to win a championship in _________(insert lame sport noone cares about here), but the only thing really matters is Florida can't match up with Miami's success. Remember, Florida had its 100th year this past season, and they only have 2 lowly national championships to show for it!
LAS VEGAS CLIPPERS (er, So Cal) said:
posted on February 14, 2007 8:20 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
"Modern [Las] Vegas no threat to pro sports"
- msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6465956"Stern can foresee NBA in Vegas"
- newsday.com/sports/basketball/ny-spstern0213,0,930284.story?coll=ny-sports-mezz"For the first time, it seemed, Stern welcomed the prospects of entering into a negotiation with Las Vegas."
- sports.yahoo.com/nba"Don't bet against Vegas getting an NBA team"
- msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6466164(about a year ago...)
"Magic [Johnson] wants to own NBA team — in Vegas"
- msnbc.msn.com/id/8792040/So Cal Clippers said:
posted on February 14, 2007 9:49 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
The San Diego Chargers are primed to win a Super Bowl (maybe multiple ones) -- how could anyone describe a possible move as "Dumb", or question why a guy would "even entertain the thought"...???
It happens all the time.
Also, we're talking about a great job. Putting up with the pestering from prospective NCAA infractions has gotta be on his mind at least. Even though it seems to "us" (college fans) that Carroll is better suited for the College game, I gotta think that he still wants to 'prove himself' on the NFL level... and this job might be too irresistable. He could probably patch things up and hire Norm Chow.
I'd be glad with one more Title before Pete leaves (if he leaves)... Steve Sarkisian and Nick Holt would do a fine job taking-over, but if not, Urban might think about taking another step up.
Chargers - Hire Ron Rivera! Come on, the NFL's gotta have some Latino diversity too, right?
Mike Singletary would be a great choice.So Cal Clippers said:
posted on February 14, 2007 10:55 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Whats up with this?!!
- msnbc.msn.com/id/17135648/
MSNBC News Services
Updated: 29 minutes ago
SAN DIEGO - San Diego Chargers executives have been discussing the possibility of trying to hire USC head coach Pete Carroll to succeed the fired Marty Schottenheimer, the New York Times reported Wednesday.Carroll, mentioned by ESPN as a possible candidate, declined to comment on the Chargers' opening Tuesday, the Los Angeles Times reported.
Carroll declined to comment when asked whether he or his agent had spoken with San Diego officials, the newspaper reported.
BayouBengals said:
posted on February 15, 2007 10:29 AM — 72.149.254.106 — link — abuse?
Pete Carroll you better stay at USC and get whats coming to you. All these sanctions and allegations that are going on right now with USC, I can just picture Pete's lame a$$ rotting at USC with there FB program on some type of probation. Your a sneaky little smuck Carroll, and I wish you no luck!!!!! FUSC.
gatorhippy said:
posted on February 15, 2007 10:32 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
SoCal (#145):
UF has 7 NCAA sanctioned Men's team titles plus the two football titles:
Golf 1968, 1973, 1993, 2001
Swimming 1983, 1984
Basketball 2006
Football 1996, 2006Total of 9
UM has 4 sanctioned titles (all in baseball: '82, '85, '99, '01) plus their 5 football titles
Total of 9
Where are you getting you info from...
Usually you're tighter than that...
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on February 15, 2007 5:07 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy great news. UF just won the Tall Bike Jousting tournament, so you can add another obscure sports championship that no one cares about to your list.
Just kidding, but who really cares about how many championships a school has in badminton or tetherball are half of the "sports" your list includes.
Tomcat said:
posted on February 15, 2007 7:56 PM — 69.150.51.155 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy what was the original topic of this thread anyway? The Gators also have the Best girls gymnastics as well right?
UT 47 nat titles
Baseball 6
Football 4
Golf 2
Sw & Dv 9
Womens Sports 26
TCU Horned Frogs dominate the XII
ask Texas Tech, Baylor or OklahomaSo Cal Clippers said:
posted on February 15, 2007 9:30 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Gator Hippy,
Woah, including Girl's Indoor Hammer Throw !?
What a streak!... I think I might have been "off" too: Florida's won 3 of their 3 most significant Titles under Foley, I said 2 of 3 (for some reason thinking Spurrier won in 1991 insted of 1996). But then again was Foley the A.D. when Spurrier was hired? Anyway...
You gotta give credit to the ADs at those schools.
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on February 15, 2007 9:52 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, there wasnt any real topic, just a tangent off of discussing ADs, but...
Its actually Utah and Georgia that ~dominate~ Girls Gymnastics! 9 and 7 Titles respectively. Matter-o-fact they happen to be two schools that have more Girl's Titles than actual/real Titles, er Men's Titles. Georgia has almost Twice as many Girl's Titles than Men's.
Maryland, UNC, Texas, Arizona, LSU are a few other schools on that dubious list.
Tomcat said:
posted on February 16, 2007 5:19 PM — 69.150.51.155 — link — abuse?
Yea gatorhippy I agree and it looks like theres only three folks left with nothing to say.
How bout coach David Baliff from Texas State taking over at Rice University. Rice is loaded with small alumi base, poor attendance and a loosing record until last years phenominal season going 7-6.Coach T Grahm jumps ship and is back at Tulsa.
Where is JTIrish ? 9 bowl losses and counting
Where is M GO BLUE ? 3 bowl losses in a row or is it 4? 2 of Michigans mighty bowl losses were against XII teams
College Football Trivia
Who did Heisman play for ?Who did Davey Obrien play for?
Who did Tom Landry play for?
Don Merideth ?Hint SWC schools
clemson1981 said:
posted on February 16, 2007 7:03 PM — 74.226.201.233 — link — abuse?
i hate to jump in the middle of all this but.....
im just wondering, does it matter how many national titles UF has in gymnastics or anything like that, i mean lets be honest, how many of us on here go and watch our favorite college's gymnastics teams or anything like that, only three college sports matter:
1. Football
2. Basketball
3. BaseballPopsMich said:
posted on February 17, 2007 10:50 AM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Tomcat and Gator, what the heck are you doing here? Its nearly time for "Madness"
Those 2 UM Bowl games with XII were funny, too. Vince Young running all over the place, a last second field goal (UT) and that Stanford like kickoff return by UM vs Nebraska with people all over the field.
I know one (I think). Dandy Don went to SMU.
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on February 20, 2007 11:04 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
NFL! Stop fugking around...
I dont wanna see any more Coaching vacancies, mother-effs.
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Regarding...
clemenza81 (post 170)
Tomcat (post 164)
Tampa Hurricane (post 150)
TampaGator (145)
gatorhippy (144)... So whats the order of relevance/interest-level would you-z guys say that college sports fall into?
I say its:
1) Football
2) Basketball
3) Baseball
3b) Boxing-Discontinued @ D1A level
4) Track & Field
5) Golf
6) Soccer, er "Futbol"
7) Tennis
8) Swimming & Diving
9) Ice Hockey, er "Soccer on Ice"
10) Cross Country
10b) ~Indoor~ Track & Field
11) Wrestling
12) Water Polo
12b) all Chick-Sports
12c) all Coed-Sports
13) Gaynastics
gatorhippy said:
posted on February 22, 2007 3:58 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
As for the "relevance" of a sport...
Depending on the person, college athletics could be of varying degrees...
Personally, as a UF grad, I find great pride in ALL accomplishments acheived by athletes and sports teams with UF connections...
Just as I found my own accomplishments in college athletics...
Hence being extremely proud of the fact that UF has accomplished much in the way of the "other college sports"...
Yes, in the overall view of the sports crazed media world, college footbal is certainly king of the roost...
This is where the seperation of Alum and "fan" begins...
But as an alum, I 'll always take pride in any and all national titles won by Gator athletes; along with any academic acheivement and rewards garnered upon UF students, faculty and staff...
"Fans" claim that no other sports really matter outside of football and basketball...
"Fans" aren't supporters of the University, they are merely "fans" of a game which is used to aid young people in getting an education...
Plenty of these shortsighted types of people in all stadiums, barrooms, and homes across the country...
UF winning a national title annually in at least 1 sport for the last 26 years is an exciting accomplishment...
Does it mean Florida has the greates athletics program ever?
Certainly not...
Does it mean Florida has great athletes?
Cetainly...
Even if it's not always in a sport that is "popular"...
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on February 23, 2007 4:08 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
I forgot Volleyball, Reggata-Rowing and Lacrosse... they should fall in somewhere below Cross Country.
~this is a serious discussion here TMac, there's no sport of Ping-Pong, come on~
... oh wait, I also forgot that there's Division 1A BOWLING too!----
GatorHippy, okay, so put it this way: list em from YOUR favorite to least favorite.
I ask to kinda get a feel of what people from different areas of the country like more/have more interest in.... I've never played Ice Hockey; only gone Ice Skating maybe 3 times, ever (as a kid), and its a boring game to watch & follow... but on the flip-side, it also looks like an awesome sport to actually Play.
... Water Polo doesnt look like fun; just treading water for even a few minutes isnt an appealing tought. It is physically the Toughest sport, it seems, but without much of a pay-off. I wouldnt wanna participate nor is it an appealing spectator sport... ergo, Water Polo's down on my list.
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darryn said:
posted on February 7, 2007 9:19 PM — 70.189.239.224 — link — abuse?7 of 10 from the SEC ? I doubt it. I see this every year and I don't see the final polls with 7 out of ten in the SEC. What rubbish. Rivals must be loading up the brownies again.