April 20, 2007
Florida stole Gatorade from FSU
Here's a little known factoid (heck, not even Mr. Football Keith Jackson knows it!):
Florida State invented Gatorade, but the Florida Gators are the ones that patented it.
Contrary to popular belief, the University of Florida did not come up with the sports drink that is now known as Gatorade. The team doctor for the FSU football team, Dr. R.A. Johnson, began producing a sports drink that he called "Seminole Firewater" as early as 1962. Dr. Johnson blended sugar and lime flavoring with electrolytes (salts) to help keep the players hydrated and to prevent cramping. In 1964 at an annual Seminar of Collegiate sports physicians and athletic trainers held in Tallahassee, Fl., a representative from the University of Florida found out about the discovery that sodium and potassium keeps athletes better hydrated because it gives back to the body what is lost through sweat. They returned to Gainesville and, after being tested on the UF football players, the name "Gatorade" was given. The University of Florida requested a certified patent in 1967 for the drink that Dr. Johnson had freely shared with the public.
As Paul Harvey would say... and now you know the rest of the story.
Comments:
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on April 20, 2007 8:22 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
Well I really have no idea how much validity there is to this story. Who really knows? Honestly, who really cares? I'm sure UF receives royalties still from Gatorade but there's nothing anyone can do now. I would say this though Tampa, IF the story is true I doubt FSU or the Dr would have made a big fuss about it. They had no way of knowing it would have turned into the goliath sports drink it's known as today. If they would have fore seen that, I doubt they would have publicly shared it. Of course, this is all based on the theory the story is true.
gatordstud said:
posted on April 20, 2007 10:13 PM — 71.120.34.235 — link — abuse?
is this what it has come down to......no real news out there, so were talkin about gatorade.....no gun charges...no ncaa charges.....no players arrested.....what a peacefull offseason.....lets hope it stays that way....
go gators...and hokies
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 21, 2007 9:13 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
This is old news...
I've seen this link before on other sites and a story on it before in the paper...
It surfaces every once and awhile...
But there isn't any evidence other than the story at the site to back it up...
Not to mention that it was common practice well before the '60's for athletes to eat salt tablets and bananas in order to prevent dehydration and cramping...
So a drink combining the two wasn't new "science" or an incredible discovery by either institution...
In addition to the fact that FSU and Johnson would have most certainly challenged the patent given their "humanitarian" approach of freely sharing their "discovery" with the public...
If it was the case, certainly they would have challenged to keep their "Seminole Firewater" as a free tool for athletes everywhere...
If anyone out here can provide any other stories to back this up...
I might begin to offer deference to the actual validity of this story...
But until then...
Consider it urban legend...
Joe said:
posted on April 21, 2007 11:33 AM — 65.32.170.228 — link — abuse?
The link certainly appears to be a legitimate gatorade site, but it would be helpful if more information was available concerning Dr. R. A. Johnson.
My question would be why would Gatorade allow release and use of their logo on such information on the subject of branding if it weren't true?
Unlike the 60's we do live in an extremely litiginous society today.
Suggesting that in the non- litiginous days of the 60's that " Certainly they would have challenged to keep their Seminole Firewater" is a far more speculative assumption than the linked article which most certainly does appear genuine and not just an opinion.
Urban legend? Did Meyer invent gatorade as well?? I find that hard to believe!!! I mean Urban is a great coach and all but geesh!I do believe it may be time for gator fans to let others praise their accomplishments that constantly tooting their horn with gross exaggeration. ;-)Michael said:
posted on April 21, 2007 11:53 AM — 72.189.75.2 — link — abuse?
If you don't mind me saying, this story sounds just a little bit biased. Everybody knows the noles hate the gators and the gators hate the noles, it sounds like to me that after the gators whooped the nole's asses, a drunk seminole came up with this "theory", and it caught on, but even if it were true, it is simple buisness and gators were quicker to the draw on patenting it, so there you go.
Zac said:
posted on April 21, 2007 3:12 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Not so fast, my friend. FSU "may" have thought of it before FL, but I have it on good authority the Russians thought of it before FSU, the Klingons thought of it before the Russians, and the Italians thought of it before the Klingons. So, Fa-get-about-it!!! It's ancient history. Time to move on to something else, like which teams really do use "Under Armor".
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on April 21, 2007 10:32 PM — 68.210.16.171 — link — abuse?
I gotta call BS on this one. With all of the billions of dollars made from Gatorade and considering all of the lame attempts by FSU to replicate this success with their OWN sports drink (I even recall his holiness, lord god Bobby Bowden, doing ads for Super Socco) it's hard to believe that FSU wouldn't have challenged this if they had any prior art on the concept. (FYI, I personally hold 5 patents and work with several patent attorneys daily, so I know a bit about the process.) The public meeting described in this article constitutes prior art so the patent either would not have been granted or could have easily been challenged. This story doesn't pass the sniff test.
John Rizvi said:
posted on April 21, 2007 10:44 PM — 68.209.104.246 — link — abuse?
As a patent attorney practicing in Florida, this is turning out to be a very interesting thread.
I do want to clarify an often misunderstood aspect about obtaining a patent--namely--that you cannot obtain a patent on something that is already in the public domain just because you are the FIRST to file for the patent.
If, as the original post contends, "Dr. Johnson had freely shared the drink with the public" as far back as 1962, then it cannot be patented by anyone else in 1967 UNLESS what is patented is seen as a non-obvious improvement.
Interesting thread.
John Rizvi
Registered Patent Attorney
Florida Intellectual Property
Law BlogMrGamecockFan said:
posted on April 22, 2007 2:33 PM — 63.167.255.24 — link — abuse?
Nice tidbit of info from John Rivzi...but I gott call BS on this one as well. Maybe FSU needed something to help everyone forget how awful their team was last year. So that's what this rumor truly is. I mean, c'mon, I'm a diehard Gamecock, and I hate thinking that I'm agreeing with a Gator, but I find myself doing just that. If this so-called Dr. R. A. Johnson was smart enough to become a doctor, then doesn't it stand to reason that he might call the patent office? Nowhere in the history of the universe was a product successful before it was patented, copyrighted, or trademarked.
J Rittom said:
posted on April 22, 2007 6:40 PM — 209.208.84.61 — link — abuse?
How sad for Florida State enthusiasts..They are basically sad second fiddle to University of Florida in all possible ways. Now you resort to lying to sooth the jealousy. Even Bobby Bowden knows this isn't true --he was asked 7 years ago when this myth originally surfaced. Interesting how there's never a scrap of proof or fact to substantiate any of it..very sad state of affairs
Antzymandias said:
posted on April 22, 2007 7:58 PM — 76.108.232.149 — link — abuse?
There is no evidence that an R.A. Johnson ever published anything while a professor at FSU. The only evidence ever cited was a Wikipedia citation that has since been excised.
Snopes doesn't even give the rumor the dignity of a response in the citation of the origins of Gatorade.
http://www.snopes.com/food/origins/gatorade.asp
Verdict: Total BS
antzymandias said:
posted on April 22, 2007 7:59 PM — 76.108.232.149 — link — abuse?
There is no evidence that an R.A. Johnson ever published anything while a professor at FSU. The only evidence ever cited was a Wikipedia citation that has since been excised.
Snopes doesn't even give the rumor the dignity of a response in the citation of the origins of Gatorade.
http://www.snopes.com/food/origins/gatorade.asp
Verdict: Total BS
Joe said:
posted on April 22, 2007 8:51 PM — 65.32.170.228 — link — abuse?
Truthfully who does care? UF gets the royalties so whats the big deal? It appears only gator fans are sensitive about the issue, and their remarks ridiculing the information points to bigger issues than the actual article. Gator fans sure are a sensitive bunch!!
For those that call BS?? Go to the site it certainly appears legit.gatorhippy said:
posted on April 22, 2007 9:59 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Thanks, John...
Very enlightening and reaffirming to the invalidity of this story...
Further backing up what John was so kind as to provide would be the fact that there is indeed a "sports drink" development that precedes the claimed FSU "discovery"...
With further inspection of the comments in the link first provided in the above article you'll find two links where it is claimed that LSU first came up with the idea for a "sports drink" called Bengal Punch...
As I stated earlier, the idea for combining salts and potassiums to reduce dehydration and cramping has been around for years...
UF just found and implemented a "non-obvious improvement"...
Where apparently FSU couldn't figure out how to do anything different than anybody else and the common knowledge provided to them...
Luke said:
posted on April 23, 2007 12:06 AM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?
What exactly is FSU doing with the royalties they get from other products that "triple the amount UF has received from Gatorade?" It seems that with less money, UF is somehow able to offer a better education and have a better football and basketball program.
Stop paying off Bobby Bowden's family members and maybe you guys will have some money left to do some good.gatorhippy said:
posted on April 23, 2007 7:20 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Joe (#7):
Are you so infatuated with the Gators' coach that you think any and every term using "Urban" in it is a reference to the UF coach?
Or did you just not take nay type of literature classes in school, little Joey?
To help you out I provided you a link so you can learn exactly what the term "urban legend" means and how it applies here as it seems you are too lazy to do it on your own...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_legend
Apparently, from what the info that John has provided it would seem that the Noles were not able to distinguish their product from the others obviously available at the time...
If FSU had even developed or was using such a product at the time...
UF's Dr. Cade, however, was able to develop the individuality in the product and receive his patent...
TampaGator said:
posted on April 23, 2007 9:35 AM — 205.188.116.201 — link — abuse?
Joe/#7 & 19:
"...The link certainly appears to be a legitimate gatorade site..." & "...For those that call BS?? Go to the site it certainly appears legit..."
Once again, you've allowed your blinding hatred of UF to get in the way of sound reason.
The website linked in the article is: www.historyofbranding.com; not Gatorade.com.
When you click on the picture, it is hyperlinked to Gatorade.com. If you read the history on that site, you read the actual history (UF/Dr. Cade, et.al, no mention of FSU or "R.A. Johnson").
If you click on where it says "Gatorade.com" below, you'll find yourself at UBS.com, with no mention of the subject.
Calling bullshit on bullshit is hardly being hypersensitive.
Thanks for playing.
GO GATORS!!
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on April 23, 2007 2:56 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
Sue #21:
I'd be more than happy to enlighten you on the royalties FSU receives that's more than triples UF's Gatorade gig.
Taxol - Anti-Cancer Drug: Maybe you've heard of it? A drug that fights breast cancer, sorta saves lives. Before the drug company's exclusive license expired, Florida State earned $351 million in royalties, vaulting the school into the ranks of Columbia University and California's state universities in research profits. By comparison, Taxol has earned Florida State more than three times what the popular beverage Gatorade earned the University of Florida.
So yeah, this whole Gatorade thing isnt an overly huge deal.
Luke #22:
"It seems that with less money, UF is somehow able to offer a better education and have a better football and basketball program."
Luke, you're not very informed it appears. UF has less money than FSU? Get a clue man, you obviously have NO IDEA what you're talking about. Yes, FSU gets a little more money from royalties than UF. Guess what. UF has an ANNUAL budget of 1.9 BILLION dollars. UF is a huge money pit, they SHOULD have better education. Get real man, 1.9 BILLION per year is an insane amount of money, yet FSU is catching up from an educational stand point. FSU does more with less than UF. That's not a knock on UF but they get much more funding so obviously they SHOULD be ahead of FSU.
Florida State University joins the University of Florida as the top-ranked public universities in Florida, the only Florida publics in the top U.S. News ranking tier, and the only Florida publics listed in the Academic Ranking of World Universities Top 100 American Universites[10] Many FSU colleges and programs are nationally renowned for excellence including meteorology, music, physics, law, criminology, chemistry, the social sciences, library science, film and business. Florida State University is also home of Florida's only National Laboratory - the National High Magnetic Field Laboratory - as well as operating the official State Art Museum of Florida - The John and Mable Ringling Museum of Art.
While UF has a slight edge, FSU is catching up.
Joe said:
posted on April 23, 2007 3:38 PM — 72.91.91.6 — link — abuse?
It appears that gator fans as usual are having a hissy fit over the linked article..LOL
Why is not surprising that the "academic card" is played for a student base that just like FSU, draws the majority of their students from a secondary educational system ranked in the high 40's nationally.. ie bottom of the barrel!! Sorry UF, FSU, and UM... your student body is not filled with academic geniuses based on the current standards which are woeful compared to the past.
You get out of education what you put in. Blathering on about educational superiority is the blather of fools.
What is even more ridiculous is the premise that athletes at any of these schools are academic
brain trusts?? Contrary to Urban's absurd 1% statements FSU, UM, and UF all draw from the same athletic gene pool.
Oh and Tampa Gator? Hatred? Pulease! I just enjoy watching gators squirm when their less than glorious past is brought up. Thank you for playing!!Luke said:
posted on April 23, 2007 4:10 PM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?
"FSU does more with less than UF?" - explain why UF is ranked number 2 in the nation in terms of value. And that UF is somehow able to charge students less per year than FSU.
And I was referring to the royalties you referred to, not the overall budget, when you said "FSU gets royalties from other products that triple the amount UF has received from Gatorade." - and you still havn't been able to tell us which products those are that are so much better than Gatorade in terms of royalties.
Lastly, I don't really see how FSU is catching up, I live in Florida and everyone I know applied to UF and all the ones that got rejected had to go to FSU. If you guys keep taking the leftovers you aren't gonna catch up anytime soon. Just because you say FSU is catching up doesn't make it true, you guys better keep up or you might fall past the top 100 mark.
NOTaNOLE said:
posted on April 23, 2007 5:11 PM — 24.170.128.87 — link — abuse?
anyone wanting to know if it's legit then simply double click the gatorade logo which has been so convincingly placed to look "Official". It is simply a link to the REAL Gatorade site which tells the real history of this product. Does anyone really think a company involved with such scientific studies would make itself out to be liars by providing two different accounts? Go back to sleep Kev, we'll call you if any truthful bad press is needing exposed about YOUR teams biggest rivals!
TampaGator said:
posted on April 23, 2007 5:44 PM — 205.188.116.201 — link — abuse?
Semi_Nation/#26:
_________________________________________________
"...UF was awarded $518.8 million in sponsored research in 2005-2006..."
see: http://www.ufl.edu/facts/
FSU: '05-'06:
"...Florida State University tallied a total of $190 million in external support for research and scholarship in FY 2005-06..."
See:
http://www.research.fsu.edu/annualreport2006/index.html__________________________________________________To put that in perspective:
"...UF was awarded $518.8 million in research expenditures (which is more than all the other Florida universities combined - in sponsored research in 2005-2006)...."
Per wikipedia.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Florida#Research_and_discoveries)
__________________________________________________
UF: "...[UF] Royalty and licensing income exceeds $40 million annually..."
FSU Income Produced 2005-'06:non Taxol royalties = $637,018
other commercial proceeds and patent reimbursements = $838,586
FY R&D commitments tied to options/licenses = $1,041,369
Taxol Royalities = $0.00SEE:
http://www.techtransfer.fsu.edu/accomplishments2006.html
__________________________________________________
What happened to Taxol money???"...FSU's royalties on Taxol peaked at $67 million in 2000. They will drop to about $3 million this year because the drug company began using a different manufacturing process..."
See:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/special_reports/scripps/a1f_techtrans_0613.html
__________________________________________________
AND FINALLY:Many people know Gatorade came from the University of Florida in 1965. But what they don't know is that most of the $9 million in fees PepsiCo Inc., the maker of the sport drink, pays the university each year come from a trademark license to use the Gatorade name. (UF's money leader is Trusopt, a glaucoma treatment that brings in $20 million a year from drug giant Merck & Co.)
See:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/special_reports/scripps/a1f_techtrans_0613.html(Hence the "patent infringement" arguement would be moot anyway, since patents in 1973 were only good for 17 years, and Gatorade patent would've expired in 1990; not so with TM). No matter; the whole "FSU invented Gatorade" line is a bunch of crap, but as you suggested: happy to entertain the discourse, re. research).
__________________________________________________Taxol was a windfall for FSU, but they don't appear to be sustaining the level of productivity during the Taxol years. In Contrast, UF continues to bring it in, year after year after year.
Just the facts, son...or as "Joe" will surely characterize it: "blather"--since it's not good for FSU.
GO GATORS!!
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on April 23, 2007 5:59 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
Luke #29:
Obviously UF didnt teach you to read. Otherwise you would have seen IN THE SAME POST YOU REPLIED TO, in my response to Sue, I named the product and how much FSU has received for it. Go reread post #27.
"explain why UF is ranked number 2 in the nation in terms of value. And that UF is somehow able to charge students less per year than FSU."
I'm sorry, did you not understand the 1.9 BILLION dollar annual budget? Guess what, when you get that much money annually you can AFFORD not to charge as much - seriously, get a clue man. Also, in terms of value FSU is ranked 16th in it's own right - up from 21st last year - without a 1.9 BILLION dollar annual budget (must be nice).
"I don't really see how FSU is catching up"
Well, you also didnt see me explain how Taxol's royalties over triple UF's from Gatorade so not much stock in that comment. You probably missed this too:
Florida State University joins the University of Florida as the top-ranked public universities in Florida, the only Florida publics in the top U.S. News ranking tier, and the only Florida publics listed in the Academic Ranking of World Universities Top 100 American Universites[10] Many FSU colleges and programs are nationally renowned for excellence including meteorology, music, physics, law, criminology, chemistry, the social sciences, library science, film and business. Florida State University is also home of Florida's only National Laboratory - the National High Magnetic Field Laboratory - as well as operating the official State Art Museum of Florida - The John and Mable Ringling Museum of Art.
Also,
FSU has a 66% six-year graduation rate, and the national average six-year graduation rate is 54%. FSU has an 87% freshman retention rate, competitive with any of its peer institutions.[48][49]
Many of FSU's academic programs rank among the nation’s top twenty-five public universities, including programs in Business, Chemistry, Creative Writing, Criminology, Dance, Education, Film, Human Sciences, Hospitality, Information Technology, Law, Meteorology, Music, Oceanography, Physics, Political Science, Public Administration and Policy, Social Work, Spanish, Theatre, Urban Planning, and Visual Art.[50][51]
If you dont see FSU improving from an academic stand-point, I'd suggest opening your eyes. There's no denying UF has the edge, but than again they also have 1.9 BILLION dollars they get annually. If you don't think FSU is catching up (with a much smaller budget) than you're a bit uninformed.
gatordstud said:
posted on April 23, 2007 6:25 PM — 71.120.34.235 — link — abuse?
hey joe...there you go again....doggin the gators....
nice comment:
"Oh and Tampa Gator? Hatred? Pulease! I just enjoy watching gators squirm when their less than glorious past is brought up. Thank you for playing!!"they sqirm just as much as fsu football players do when they have to play the gators....at least its been that way lately...
see, joe...see how easy it is to make shit up.......now grow up...please....quit making every gator comment into your personal "hate ad"....your post are becomeing boring, pathetic,....and just plain stupid sometimes.....
bullshit comments over gatorade.....
Zac said:
posted on April 23, 2007 6:57 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
OOPS, got the history wrong. I forgot the Romulans. The Klingons stole Gatorade from them, and they stole Gatorade from the Italians, likely DeVinci.
Oh, one more thing. GatorHippi: Potassium Chloride is a salt: one of the salts that replenish electrolytes. Just FYI.
Tomcat said:
posted on April 23, 2007 8:40 PM — 68.89.131.49 — link — abuse?
Funny stuff Zac, I thought it was discovered on a remote island off of the coast of West Indies and was smuggled to Florida in the hold of H.M.S Bounty By Mr. Christanson who willed the secrect formula to his Great Great Granson Deputy Sheriff
Barney Fife.T-Mac said:
posted on April 23, 2007 9:03 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
As the Legend goes guys, Buford Pusser confiscated the illegal beverage we all know today as Gatorade. He then in return sold it to a Homie in Gainesville. Hey, Pusser couldn't have Gatorade in his county! LOL.
*T-Mac approved this message.
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 24, 2007 8:43 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Zac (#36):
Actually, potassium chloride IS an electrolyte...
However, though...
My reference to the use of salt (NaCl) tablets and potassium (K) had no inference to the actual ingredients of Gatorade...
Yes, if we put potassium (K) together with chloride (Cl); we get a substitute for table salt that due to its lack of sodium is normally mixed with table slat (NaCl) in order to provide a low sodium alternative to those that need to follow a low sodium diet...
However, this compound is also used to stop the heart for cardiac surgery as well as being the chief ingredient used for lethal injection...
I'm sure you knew this since you brought up the potassium chloride reference, though...
Right? Right?
Unfortunately, Zac, Gatorade doesn't contain potassium chloride (KCl)...
It contains potassium phosphate which is a a salt as well, but not an electrolyte...
However, it is there solely to provide potassium and serve (in its compound form) as a buffering agent to counteract the acidic nature of many of the other ingredients in Gatorade while providing the potassium boost needed for continued and replenished ability in the efficient contraction of the body's muscles...
Just FYI...
Matt the Seminole said:
posted on April 24, 2007 9:07 AM — 167.95.9.152 — link — abuse?
So let me see if I have this right? UF is better than FSU? or is it that FSU is better than UF? WHO CARES? All that matters is what school YOU went to... you should be proud of that (if you even went to college). Instead of sitting on here arguing back and forth about which school is better, go out and add something positive to your school, start a f'n orginazation or donate a building... do something productive.
And Go Noles
posted on April 24, 2007 9:47 AM — 150.176.192.1 — link — abuse?Ben Prather said:
It is a historical fact that Pickle juice was used to achieve similar effects as gatoraid on the battle field as far back as the civil war. BYU used Pickle juice in sports as far back as the 1950's.
The idea of balancing electrolits to replentish what your body loses is not a new science, even in the 1970's. Marketing a brand name like gatorade to the emerging mass sports craze is what nade Gatoraid a success.
TampaGator said:
posted on April 24, 2007 10:44 AM — 64.12.116.77 — link — abuse?
After extensive research, I was able to review the application history of Gatorarde at the US- PTO:
See: US-PTO.org
and, after thoroughly investigating the matter, it appears that....
...as it turns out, the Romulans and Klingons in fact did file applications for patent rights, prior to UF; however, their illegal alien status nullified their applications, thereby leaving the door open for those money grubb'n Gators to file their application...
...and the rest as they say, is history.
GO GATORS!!
Zac said:
posted on April 24, 2007 9:24 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
GatorHippy: Yeah, I read that too. Good stuff, though. Phosphate makes a fantastic metabolic buffer. Borate is actually a little better, but, then it wouldn't be used as a sports drink. My wife thinks I'm nuts when I discuss the chemistry of drinks, soaps, or other things commonly found around the house. She's right, by the way. I'm certifiable.
TampaGator: Told you guys, but alas, the Italians will get none of the credit. Maybe they'll make UF an offer they can't refuse...nah.
Tomcat: At least Fife was from West Virginia (Well, at least Don Knotts was. Can you believe they named a street after him?)
Greg said:
posted on April 26, 2007 10:15 AM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
Well after reading some of the usuall gator chest pounding. (walmart has long been out of XXXL gator hats), I gotta call BS on this story too. I once had dinner with Dr Cade, who invented, or at least perfected the stuff. He sold rights to Stokely Van Camp & put the $ in a trust, knowing the govt would come after him, since he was working on a grant at the time. He was able to prove he did the work on his own time & won his case. It's a great story that's pretty funny about how they analyzed the sweat of the players to see what they lost during practice & trying to make the chemicals taste palatable, with lemons & sugar. BTW, 60 lemons will clog a lemon squeezer.
The Crocs are in hog heaven at present, but are on the way downhill. We, on the other hand are heading back up to our well deserved spot at the top of the heap :o).Jon said:
posted on April 26, 2007 6:45 PM — 68.84.19.20 — link — abuse?
re: #33 - All I can say, is I'm glad you're on their side....and I'm not so sure that some of your fellow Seminoles don't wish you were on ours.
ZINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
Go back to some of those Jeff Bowden threads.... Ohhhhh...so...true.
Tomcat said:
posted on April 27, 2007 6:07 PM — 69.149.105.80 — link — abuse?
#45 & #46 thanx for the Imfo. Okay Guys when I was playing football(early 70's) they used to give us salt tablets before practice.I know that when you give salt to cattle they tend to consume more water.
Do trainers, coaches etc. still practice this and if not why, and what would the salt do other than make you more thirsty.I suppose it was to help replinish minerals that were lost in the persiration. Okay you College grads help me out
Thanks TomcatJoe said:
posted on April 29, 2007 8:59 PM — 65.32.170.228 — link — abuse?
Oh and Jon re #50,
Since almost the entire offensive staff was replaced where does that put your theory on Jeff Bowden being the sole reason for the decline of FSU the last 6 years??It would appear that you my dear friend were in error. While I am certainly in agreement that JB was in over his head as a OC, he wasn't the sole reason as your own personal misplaced hate- filled crusade suggested.
It would appear that Bobby Bowden answered the call with a great staff throughout even with the unexpected loss of Steele.
Now if FSU can just get some new less entitled fans to allow the new staff and players to get the job done. Personally, I have grown most tired of the lack of understanding of this TEAM sport as some fans continue to cheer for individuals over the Team.
That IMHO will be the biggest deterent to success. Stop the cancers and the program will heal.
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TampaGator said:
posted on April 20, 2007 6:38 PM — 205.188.116.201 — link — abuse?I call bullshit.
Once the patent application was filed, I'm sure FSU and this "Dr. Johnson" wouldn't have just sat on their hands and said "...aw shux, we should've filed for one." I've seen nothing to cooborate this claim, other than the article posted.
Even if this Dr. Johnson did inspire the drink, Dr. Cade et.al. would have had to demonstrate a significant novelty added to the existing article, in order to qualify for patent...but again, I'm sure we would have heard something by now.
Sounds like urban legend.
GO GOTORS!!