January 14, 2008
Urban Meyer might be horse's ass
In the wake of a painful bowl game loss, we're beginning to see a slight fracture in the flawless public perception of Florida head coach Urban Meyer.
Following the Michigan game, Meyer was critical of his players.
"We thought we had some answers early in the season," said Meyer, "and some of those young guys didn't live up to the standards we've set."
Meyer went so far as to say that some of his own players were expendable and weren't "a value to the team."
"Well, for those guys who just put in their time and didn't make any real contributions, it's time for you to go. It won't be hard to say goodbye to some of those guys who just went through the motions. Now for those kids who actually bought into the program, and who made some sacrifices and contributions - you know, like Bubba Caldwell... he's a graduate of UF and had a great career - you"ll really miss those guys. But just because you're a senior doesn't mean you have any value."
((emphasis added))
quote has been updated as per comments, emphasis added
"Let's make this clear," Meyer said. "It's not difficult to say goodbye to a senior. A senior that maybe just put in time and didn't do a whole lot...no, it's time for you to go and move on. It's really hard to say goodbye to seniors that are invested in your program and jumped in with both feet and graduated. Bubba's (Caldwell) a graduate and (Clint) McMillan's a graduate of Florida and they were a part of the national championship team, part of a team that played in a January 1 bowl. It's hard to say goodbye to those guys and so when you say 'seniors,' just because you're a senior doesn't make you a value to the team. A value to the team means that you contribute and you're part of the team and I'm going to really miss some of those guys."
While the quotes were taken immediately after a loss, the tone & language is that of a bitter man who (apparently) places winning above all other priorities. Anyone who has played college football -- or knows someone who has -- knows the incredible physical and emotional sacrifice that is required. For some, the physical sacrifice will be with them their whole lives. But for Meyer to disregard that effort... damn... that's just cold.
The Sporting News helps peel back the onion further by digging into the insanely curious lateral move of UF assistant coach Stan Drayton, who left the Gators to accept the same position at Tennessee.
Drayton had been a highly successful recruiter for the Gators (2007 - 9 committs, 2 five-star and 5 four-star... 2006 - 7 committs, all 7 four-star), but his relationship with Meyer was reportedly very contentious.
Former UF RB Anthony Gay said that Meyer dressed down Drayton to the point of tears.
Before his career ended, Gay had a meeting with Drayton and Meyer and picked up on the fact that his head coach and his position coach weren't all that friendly."They ain't like this," said Gay, holding up crossed fingers to visually describe it in a September interview. "They're not even really tight. A lot of days, I've seen Coach Drayton shed tears before. Not in front of (Meyer), but right after practice because of how he acknowledged him, because of how he belittled him."
So, at the end of the season, Drayton left Meyer to take the position at Tennessee - even though it wasn't a "promotion", per se.
Drayton told the paper that Tennessee coach Phillip Fulmer called Meyer on Friday morning, likely to ask for permission to speak with Drayton.Meyer reportedly left a staff meeting to answer the phone, returned and dismissed everyone but Drayton from the room.
"I can't go into too much detail, but it was a little rough, a little rocky," Drayton told the paper. "He had a coach that was getting ready to entertain a situation at his rival school. I understood that completely."
Drayton himself pointed out that Florida isn't highly dependent on the RBs in Meyer's offense, which again brings to mind Meyers own words. To paraphrase, just because you're a [coach], doesn't mean you have any value.
You cannot question what Meyer has done on the field. Plain and simple, the man puts a winner on the field.
Now it appears that you can just add "at any cost".
Comments:
gatorstud said:
posted on January 14, 2008 4:42 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
well, all i can say is that i have personally seen drayton dogg his players on several occaasions for not playing up to their potential....(just watch the end of the auburn game) to the point where they were in tears....so someone needs to get drayton a tissue and tell him to buck up....
this isn't the first occurance of a head coach and assistant coach butting heads....is it news just because it's florida kev????? good luck to drayton at UT...he's gonna need it....
but somewhere in the back of my mind is a little voice (kinda sounds like buddy hacket) that says watch out fulmer....your replacement just walked in....fulmer has been on the hot seat for a while...
go gators....
OU-Ron
posted on January 14, 2008 4:44 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse?
said:
Drayton must be a pretty sensitive guy if he shed's a tear or two especially after practice, sounds like he might need a career change instead of changing schools.
I think most people would just be pissed off if their boss stayed on their ass all the time, no tears though...
gatorhippy
posted on January 14, 2008 4:52 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
This is where Meyer has started to show those old school Woody Hayes roots that he emulated growing up as a child in Ohio...
On the players...
I had football coaches in both high school and college that have publicly and openly said alot worse things about their players and coaches when not performing up to expectations...
And had them said about me as well...
You get your head back on right, buckle down and thrive on the pressure...
It's pretty simple really "do your job and buy into the program"...
No different than any other job any of these kids might have later in life without NFL success...
Again, this isn't the youth flag football league down at the YMCA "Where everybody wins"...
There is no pizza party at the end of the season and a shiny gold colored medal to go around your neck for poarticipation...
It's college football and seperates the men from the boys...
As we've seen with Mr. Football Xavier Lee at FSU who instead of thriving on the competition; folded like a bad house of cards...
On to the Drayton topic...
Drayton could have either sucked it up or moved on...
He chose to move on...
If he started crying because he was critizied in his job performance, that's just too bad...
He was being paid $135,000 to put the best product in the country on the field and didn't meet the standards...
Persoanlly, as a contributer to the universioty and the athletics programs, I would expect nothing less but peak performance by coaches at nearly 150 g's...
Just like I would expect nothing but the absolute best effort and success from my own employees...
Plain and simple...
TampaGator said:
posted on January 14, 2008 5:00 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Drayton is UF's running backs coach, right?
Good riddence. Meyer rode his ass because he wasn't getting anything out of our RB's. Our best runners? Tebow (QB), and Percy Harvin (WR). I like Moore and James, but they need to step up their games, or step aside for some one who will deliver. Simply put--a change was in order.
As for the "...doesn't mean you have any value" comment-sure, that's wrong--
IF YOU TAKE IT AT FACE VALUE.
Please. In the locker room...after a tough loss...how thin-skinned must one be to take such a comment to heart?
Meyer's actions speak much louder than his words. He invites his players to share with his family; he knows them personally; he has a genuine RELATIONSHIP with every one of his players...
Yeah the comment is a bit out of line, but again, only if you isolate it--completely out of context--and take it literally.
This is just more mud sling at Meyer out of desperation.
GO GATORS!!
posted on January 14, 2008 5:52 PM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue
said:
Definitely no crying in football.
Lemme ask you guys, especially those in the Gator nation...
Do you think Meyer mis-spoke or perhaps maybe chose his words poorly with it being this close to national signing day? I've seen his quotes on about 45 different message boards for SEC teams and UF rivals. (To their credit, also at some Gator boards)
I'm thinking that there are some teams that fear Meyer and will twist this into negative recruiting (aka Meyer doesn't care about you - you're disposable - don't get hurt because he will cut you - etc). Thoughts??
gatorhippy
posted on January 14, 2008 6:00 PM — 70.121.110.84 — link — abuse? said:
K-Hue (#8):
Absolutley not...
Meyer is referring to guys like Johnny Rutledge that couldn't keep their grades up and, as he noted in the PRE-GAME press conference that you linked, UF started a number of true freshmen over seniors due to the fact that the effort over three years hadn't been put in by guys that were finishing their eligibility this season...
In reality, he's saying that you're always welcome at UF but you won't be missed if you cruise through rather than giving the effort that is expected...
Personally, I hope recruits do think twice before making a committment to UF as it appears Meyer expects a certain level of excellence and 18 year old kids need to decide whether they are seriously looking to put in their time in the classroom AND on the field or looking to breeze through chasing poon...
It will definitely scare some guys off...
But not the ones that want to work...
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on January 14, 2008 6:02 PM — 143.127.131.4 — link — abuse?
#8: Kevin, yes - I agree that Meyer's remarks are potentially damaging for recruiting. I'm also disapointed that he appears to single out the seniors with his remarks and - after their last games as Gators - there's really no need to trash them. On the other hand, I could see such criticsm being motivational for returning players, but not for seniors.
Regarding Drayton, the running offense has underperformed for each of the last three years. In all honesty, I'm surprised Tennessee would want him.
gatorhippy
posted on January 14, 2008 6:32 PM — 70.121.110.84 — link — abuse? said:
K-Hue (#11):
Ok, so now I see what's going on here...
You're basically just taking crap you've read other places and and using the paraphrased transcript that has been thrown around the web...
Given that that link doesn't even address the part of the interview where this statement allegedly came from...
Have you actually even listend to the interview, Kev?
kershawdw said:
posted on January 14, 2008 6:45 PM — 24.136.33.6 — link — abuse?
and the Urban Meyer can do no wrong, homers come out in full affect =) you should hear the radio here in gainesville. Talk about slinging mud at Stan Drayton. Specifically a journalist (and I use that term loosely), named Heath Cline. The day Drayton announced he was going to Tennessee this guy couldn't wait to start trashing him saying he hasn't produced good running backs and as someone pointed out already running backs aren't well utilized in Meyer's system but he had no problem getting quality recruits here. Hard to make a kid into a stud when the its the "tebow and harvin show". None the less this Cline guy starts bashing how much money he makes and how UF pushed him out of the door as opposed to firing him (obviously this article states otherwise)
posted on January 14, 2008 6:58 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
I think it's official. This is our first 'Chump Change' thread of the new year...
It's not fun to have a Chump Change thread with your team's name on it.
Too many bruised egos and confrontations behind the scenes that most people don't want to witness. They just want to see the finished product and don't really care how you got there...
I think we can add 'Winning Football Programs' to the list along with sausage and laws of things that you really don't want to know how they're made...
Zac said:
posted on January 14, 2008 7:26 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
In a league of his own...
Urban Meyer: Stan, could you come here for a second? Which team do you play for?
Stan Drayton: Well, I'm a Gator.
Urban Meyer: Well I was just wonderin' why you would direct our RB into the defense on a miss-direction, when the hole opens up on the opposite side. It was 3rd and inches, should have been a sure 1st down, and now we've lost yardage, the ball, and it's all because of you. Start using your head. That's the lump that's three feet above your ass.
[Stan Drayton starts to cry]Urban Meyer: Are you crying? Are you crying? ARE YOU CRYING? There's no crying! THERE'S NO CRYING IN FOOTBALL!
Valueless Sr.: Yo, coach, why don't you give him a break. He was only...
Urban Meyer: Oh, you zip it; you have no value! Four years on this team without contribution, and you're gonna tell me how to coach now? Five years ago, my Utah Utes were undefeated and weren't even considered for an invite to the National Championship. And did I cry?
Stan Drayton: No, no, no.Urban Meyer: NO. NO. And do you know why?
Stan Drayton: No...Urban Meyer: Because there's no crying in football. THERE'S NO CRYING IN FOOTBALL! No crying!
Ref of Short Stature: What seems to be the trouble, Urby?
Urban Meyer: He was crying, sir.
Ref of Short Stature: Perhaps you chastised him too vehemently. Here's a word of advice. Treat each of your staff, as if he were your father-in-law.
[Ref of Short Stature turns to walk away]
Urban Meyer: You know you look like a tiny Zebra's dick with a hat on?
ATL-ien said:
posted on January 14, 2008 8:17 PM — 160.10.98.221 — link — abuse?
Meyer is a beeeaaatchhh!!!!
Meyer will be firing alot more people if Florida doesn't get off the Tebow love fest and off Tebow's d### and start to play some football. Damn the kid is great and everything but damn i think the gaytors might turn gay for him.
****He needs to fire the secondary coach****
gatorhippy
posted on January 14, 2008 9:10 PM — 70.121.110.84 — link — abuse? said:
But seriously, Kevin...
Did you see/hear the actual interview or are you going off of the cut/paste quote at the top of the page?
Because hereis possibly what you meant to link from the mlive.com site...
If you line up your cursor between the "n" and the "g" in "showing" in the second to last line of the paragraph above the sound controll and start the recording there yoou will find it is where the excerpt in question is...
By listening to this you will hear that the crap you passed forward is NOT what Meyer stated...
Nor even barely similiar...
I did see a transcript on another blog from the PC somewhere the other day that I found after I initially saw this over at Loser With Socks...
It was in a post debunking this very statement...
I'm trying to find it...
I might have to hit up G-Pil since I think I saw it at O&BH maybe...
posted on January 14, 2008 9:37 PM — link — abuse? said:
@gatorhippy - I've heard the audio of the interview on the Orlando radio a couple weeks back, but I've been trying to find the full published transcript and video. Usually you can find them on various sites... this one is surprisingly hard to find. (No allegations, just sayin.) Not sure about other posts, but you know firsthand that I read a lot of blogs. I know the quotes were a topic of conversation a few weeks ago, but I basically glossed over it. When the Drayton story came out today, I was like - wait a second - these two are kinda along the same line... sup with that? To your point, I don't think I'm taking Meyer out of context, but it may read different than the audio I heard. (Hence me trying to locate the full video) Some people post stuff and never link to the original content - I am trying here. I don't expect every Gator fan to love me, but... I don't know if it's fair for people to say I'm cheap-shotting Meyer, either. I try to walk the line.
Some people may not want to hear it, but Meyer's national reputation is... evolving. Maybe it's jealousy, maybe it's negative recruiting, or maybe it's accurate. But it is out there and worth discussing.
gatorhippy
posted on January 14, 2008 9:57 PM — 70.121.110.84 — link — abuse? said:
And in reference to the Sporting News story...
The kid that wrote that is a journalism senior at UF and actually works for the Independent Alligator...
He openly admits that Gay was the ONLY source available to him and he does not have access to interview current players or even possibly guys like former UF RB Deshawn Wynn...
Gay's credibility is minimal at best given his possible "ax grinding" want of Meyer due to being disgruntled over his problems while at UF...
Not saying it didn't happen just pointing out that neither the post game quote nor the Sporting News story are exactly what they seem or being spun into...
gatorhippy
posted on January 14, 2008 10:25 PM — 70.121.110.84 — link — abuse? said:
TE (#24):
Kinda like this smoke?
http://www.thejockrap.com/?p=514#comments
Is that what your talking about, TE?
;-}
gatorhippy
posted on January 15, 2008 6:49 AM — 70.121.110.84 — link — abuse? said:
K-Hue (#20):
To your point, I don't think I'm taking Meyer out of context, but it may read different than the audio I heard. (Hence me trying to locate the full video)
No offense, Kev, but I provided a link to the audio track as recordeed by Jim Carty of the Ann Arbor News...
That is the complete soundtrack and no where in it will you hear Meyer utter that quoted passage at the top of the page...
As far as Drayton goes...
While he did a pretty good job recruiting, his development of the RBs left much to be desired...
However, was his excellent recruting last off season due to the fact he was displaying a MNC ring and conference championship to boot?
That kinda makes things a bit easier for a guy...
"Dressing down" is Meyer's style and as i stated earlier stems from the Woody Hayes roots that he idolizes...
The man expects perfection from himself and those around him on staff...
You can't start crying because your boss rides your ass...
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on January 15, 2008 9:20 AM — 74.185.133.40 — link — abuse?
#30: wvu_lifer, my - albeit imperfect - understanding is that Holliday is from West Virginia and so this move will be a homecoming for him. Sounds like Drayton was just getting out of Gainesville before he was thrown out.
BayouBengal said:
posted on January 15, 2008 10:03 AM — 72.149.254.106 — link — abuse?
My point exactly, 1st and NOLE!
Sounds about right to me! Zooky was missing the fear you need to instill in your players and coaches. If not....they won't take winning as serious!
Sometimes you just gotta be an arrogant a$$ clown to get the job done the way you want it!
Take Spurrier for example.....I'm not sure how he treats his coaching staff, but when it comes to his players....ole' "sheeba shab" completely breaks them down mentally (crying normally ensues) as if they know nothing about the game of football....then he slowly rebuilds they're knowledge of the game! It seems to work in UF.
"And in this corner.....standing in a puddle of his own piss....with a snot bubble coming out of his nose....Staaaaaaaaaaaan Draaaaaayton"
posted on January 15, 2008 10:16 AM — 150.176.192.1 — link — abuse? said:
I have been following Urban Meyer since his days at Utah. He has always demanded the greatest effort from his players.
I read the statement about players not having value as indicating that players need to earn their keep, and those that don't will be let go. The standard for Meyer has always been work ethic. This is accentuated by the fact that the statement immediately follows praise for a student athlete who succeeds both on and off the field.
I believe this will be his biggest problem in the near future. He has had tremendous success during the first two years at three different institutions. This success has come in large part by raising the bar of discipline and work ethic from previous layed back coaches.
By fostering an attitude of contrast between the way the previous coaches ran things and how he runs things he was able to get his athletes on board. Now that contract is gone. The students that remember the old ways have graduated.
Can Urban Meyer find a way to get his students to buy into his work ethic without becomeing a tyrant?
It is essential that Meyer express his dissapointment in this season, to make it clear that this year was not what he wanted.
I take these statement to be Meyer building a basis of contrast from this year similar to the contrast he had build upon the previous coaches. Urban Meyer is already working on the attitude of next years team.
posted on January 15, 2008 11:00 AM — link — abuse? said:
Gatorhippy - My point continues to be... I am looking for the correct audio/video. I understood it was the post-game PC and obvisouly that understanding was incorrect. I have two emails from yesterday to the UF SID office asking for transcripts and/or clarification on the quote, but no response yet. I have been told offline that the quotes are actually from a post-game radio interview, but I don't know if that is correct or from what broadcast. So... I'm trying to track that down so you can listen first-hand.
In the interim, I'll delink the current audio, as it is not the correct link so as to avoid confusion. Once I have the correct link and/or a denial from UF, I'll post that up, as well.
wvu_lifer
posted on January 15, 2008 12:27 PM — 75.109.107.108 — link — abuse? said:
@33 Ramblin' Gator
You are correct about Holliday being from W.Va. He also played and coached under Nehlen as well. Plus, $190K @ UF vs. $400K to come home, that makes perfect sense.
@32 OU-Ron, make NO mistake about it. He IS the next HC at WVU if Stew faulters. He was the #1 Candidate before "Stew-Mania" took over. I just hope we aren't going back to "Nehlen-Ball". Unfortunately, it's seems that way. So far all but 1 replacement coach is an old Nehlen cronie.
I cant remember the other coach who left UF for UT, there were two. Also, Urban may have shed a tear when "Doc" left, he is considered the best recruiter in the state and a Rivals Top 25 Recruiter in general. " I'm your Huckleberry", lol.
Eye of the Tiger said:
posted on January 15, 2008 12:39 PM — 138.163.0.41 — link — abuse?
Meyers is an A__hole. Point blank. He won a Championship with Zook's recruits, and quickly brought FLA to 4 losses while still being loaded with talent including a Heisman trophy winner. Obviously there were many flaws with the way he as a head coach was running the program to lose with that much talent. The few games that I watched FLA this year I have NEVER seen him use his RBs. The next few years will determine the true value of this coach. If you ask me, he will not add up to much if he continues with his Tebow Formation Offense. Good news for FLA however, Tebow will probably earn another Heisman Throphy! Yeeeppeeee!
Big Tide said:
posted on January 15, 2008 12:52 PM — 12.208.88.211 — link — abuse?
Urban "Cowboy" Myer isn't paid to be nice and as long as he stays at Florida he will get solid talent. What he does with it will be interesting. I think coaches on the Hot Seat make for the best rivalry games anyway. Urban will probably be very focused in '08 now that the Honeymoon is over.
gOSU27 said:
posted on January 15, 2008 1:04 PM — 71.10.6.2 — link — abuse?
Even if this is true, and Urban Meyer is right....why do you say that anyway?? In public, singling out players who's fault it is. Why do you need to do that??
Is he being honest Honest?? Probably.....
Should he have said that?? No way.....That's something that I admire in Jim Tressel. Every halftime interview, post game interview, and pre-game interview it's the same thing. "Well, our boys played hard....they were a good team, and we will have a shot to get back in this one"
TE
posted on January 15, 2008 1:32 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
We saw that about 5 days ago...We feel confident, but "we don't hold our breaths"...
Gimme a break...NOTHING specific, NOTHING substantiated, and a Michigan-related source?
LOL! That was WEAK at best...Not a single quote, not a single source that isn't tainted, and they were so ambiguous it's not even funny...
Nice try...not...
gatorstud said:
posted on January 15, 2008 1:35 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
eye of the tiger....it is not like we got trounced in our losses....auburn game..tight to the end..and the lsu game...georgia game also..the only game where i thought we stunk it up is in the bowl game....so pulease stop with the melo-dramatics....you talk about meyer when your coach almost costed you HOW many games by his dumba$$ play calling....you guys could of easily had three more losses last season....just because he won a championship..doesn't mean he isn't a dumba$$....but i am sure you wouldn't of called out miles as dumb would you....
if you are so informative about the gators..then tell us how many seniors and juniors actually played this year......go ahead and look it up..i'll wait......just what i thought....
the gators were a young team this past year...meyer has brought in two good running backs who can run within his system....this year will tell a lot about meyer and the gators....
and by the way...nobody asked you...
go gators...
Don V said:
posted on January 15, 2008 1:48 PM — 97.100.9.74 — link — abuse?
Maybe being a Gator fan causes me to see it this way, but I don't think I'd see it any different if it came from Fulmer, Richt, Bowden or whomever...
I see no problem with it. If other coaches want to try and use it as negative recruiting, go ahead. I read it as setting the standard: come out and work your butt off, we have a place on the team and an education for you; slack off and lose both. I think that actually plays well in most households.
The school does not owe you a scholarship for four years just because they recruited you - it is a two-way street. You have to hold up your end. I don't interpret Meyer's statements as calling out players without talent, more calling out those who aren't making the effort he wants.
Eye of the Tiger said:
posted on January 15, 2008 1:55 PM — 138.163.0.44 — link — abuse?
GatorStud,
Nobody asked me, but I said it anyway. This is a blog in case you forgot. Pick the G-String out of your a__. Also, it's funny you would call Miles play calling dumb. Afterall, he beat the Gators with his, "dumb," play calling. Nice! LOL.
Coulda woulda shoulda. Almost only counts in Florida.
amp4lsu said:
posted on January 15, 2008 2:29 PM — 75.145.219.49 — link — abuse?
Thankfully Michigan did something right this year, they gave the rest of the SEC a blueprint on how to beat Tebow. Unfortunate that it took a Big 11 team to show the SEC how to do it, but the damage has been done and now it's on.
By the way, what SEC team will win the NC in 08?
1. Georgia
2. LSU
3. Florida
4. Auburn
5. Tennessee
6. South Carolinatygerbate said:
posted on January 15, 2008 2:32 PM — 206.251.165.202 — link — abuse?
#45 gatorstud
You're correct we could have lost several other games ....but we didn't... and you know what else the games we lost were in 3ot's therefore we could just as easily been undefeated and we'd be debating where we stand among college football's greatest teams... so chill dude this isn't about LSU it's about what Meyer did or didn't do.
gatorhippy
posted on January 15, 2008 2:36 PM — 70.121.110.84 — link — abuse? said:
Don V (#47):
Exactly...
But K-Hue (even though he claims otherwise) is the latest badwagoneer to attempt to spin this in a negative light...
But being a Nole, i guess he has to do what he can to help FSU get a leg up given they're facing sanctions to not just the football prgram but the athletics deparetment overall...
gatorstud said:
posted on January 15, 2008 3:17 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
eye of the tiger and tygerbait...my response was about eye's quote "Obviously there were many flaws with the way he as a head coach was running the program to lose with that much talent.".....
so i guess by your statements: that only coaches who don't win titles have flaws and coaches who do win title don't have ANY flaws whatsoever....backwoods bayou edjamacation.....
go gators...
and eye of tiger.., i am still waiting for you to tell me how many juniors and seniors played this year on a team loaded w/ talent...mr. know it all..
gatorstud said:
posted on January 15, 2008 3:27 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
and i guess..(duh)..that..(duh)..that kentucky &..(duh)..arkansas....(duh).. gave.. everyone.... (duh)... a blueprint... (duh)... to beat lsu..(duh)...
you guys really are the posterchilds for stupidity....
go gators...
Bigg8tr said:
posted on January 15, 2008 3:28 PM — 209.136.91.98 — link — abuse?
Kevin,
It's funny that you post a quote and don't have the audio link, and you called Meyer a horse's arse. Now that's funny.First of all, the quote you are looking for is from the Steve Babik interview, and you have completely taken the post out of context and passed it off as truth.
About 4 mins into the interview, Steve Babik the following question:(paraphrased as best as I can follow the taped interview I saved from that day) Some of the seniors got to make a play - Bubba made a play...It's always tough to say goodbye to those seniors - your thoughts about this senior class?
Coach Meyer responded - "It's not - let's make this clear - it's not difficult to say goodbye to a Senior - a Senior that maybe just put in their time and didn't do a whole lot, then it's time for you to go and move on. But it's really hard to say goodbye to Seniors that are invested in your program and jumped in with both feet and graduated, Bubba's a graduate, and McMillen is a graduate, and they were part of the NC team and a team that played in a January Bowl - it's hard to say goodbye to those guys. And uh - when you say seniors, just because your a senior doesn't make you a value to the team. A value to the team is that you contribute and that you are apart of the team and I'm going to really miss some of those guys."
Now - add the context of this question with the post game presser he did for the bowl game where he stated that - "There were some folks here who left because they didn't buy into the program, or just weren't good enough to play/compete, or who left early for other reasons(NFL), then this Sr class is small. They won 31 games in 3 yrs, won a NC - the only negative about this Sr class is that there weren't enough of them.
So you see - Coach Meyer never bashed a Sr on his team, never threw them under the bus, he was clarifying a point for Steve Babik - that in some instances it might not be that hard to say goodbye to a SR. But obviously that didn't apply to his SR class - based on his comments at both press conferences.So spin it like you want to - but the funny thing is you left out the question and left out the first part of the conversation.... If you notice he went from a general desciption about SR's to specific examples of the type of Sr's it's hard to say goodbye to. In the "national" presser he mentioned other names...
Like the rest of the idiots on the internet that spread this like gospel - you don't even have the link/or original audio quote. Some nole fan wrote this and everyone ran with it. The shame in this is that people are going to think Coach Meyer bashed his outgoing Sr's when he didn't.
Bigg8tr said:
posted on January 15, 2008 3:36 PM — 209.136.91.98 — link — abuse?
I almost forgot,
I like the way you put "emphasis added". Why not tell everyone that it was you who added the emphasis - not Coach Meyer. Nice how you left out the end of his quote. Oh yeah - because then you couldn't put "emphasis added"...Also - how do you know the "tone" of the interview if you don't have a copy of it? Not a transcript - but the audio copy?
Why didn't you include any of the quotes from the national press conference - the comments in which he spoke glowingly about the Senior class. This presser is easily found at Gatorzone.com - but no need to link that one.Oh yeah - that's right - this blog isn't about credibility - it's about trying to discredit someone.
It's amazing that people like you, won't be held responsible for the BS you spout as truth. You have no documentation of the interview, you don't have the audio clip, you don't know the tone(which was very matter-of-fact). What an idiot.
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on January 15, 2008 4:02 PM — 74.185.133.40 — link — abuse?
#49: amp4lsu sez...
"...a blueprint on how to beat Tebow..."
Yep, the blueprint is to sell out defending Tebow, allowing Harvin to run for 160+ yards while Tebow throws 3 TDs and no INTs. That's some blueprint!
I partly agree with your 2008 SEC forecast with UGA at the top, but I'm not sure about the order of the next three. Auburn and LSU are looking at some major changes now and Florida needs an upgrade on defense.
TE
posted on January 15, 2008 4:11 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
A kid that's quoted that was on the team and privy to activity is a quoted, accountable source.
Unnamed Michigan boosters are not...
That's simple logic...
Oh, and don't complain about getting thrown off the team for drugs...Because Shawn Merriman wouldn't ever be able to give another interview, as well as multiple players on your own team, and you know it...Just because he got cut loose, doesn't mean his transgressions coupled with that separation make him ANY different than the kids who blow the dozure smoke on the football team in Gainesville...
Cut the Holier Than Thou Act...
BayouBengal said:
posted on January 15, 2008 4:17 PM — 72.149.254.106 — link — abuse?
We must deal with it my fellow SEC foe's....face the music!
"JESUS wears #15"
Urban Meyer is going to say & do whatever he wants as long as he has Tebow to lean on! Why? Because Timmothy Tebow has Jesus covering his every move!
He's scoring TD's on saturday....and teaching sunday school on sunday's! All while splitting the Red Sea & walking on water too.
Seriously....that s.o.b. is touched by God....a regular chip off the old testament....He has a biblical name for cryin out loud!
U. Meyer knows if he screws up.....Timmothy will turn 2 fish and a loaf a bread into 6 TD's. (2 passing & 3 rushing!)
(Also, his name is.... "Timmothy".....I call him Timmothy b/c, when I called his cell phone....the weekend of the Florida/LSU game....his voice mail said Timmothy Tebow....so get it right america!)
My point is.....Meyer is a good coach regardless of who he pisses off! But remember.....he's got 2 more seasons using the Urban Meyer/Timmothy Tebow playbook....so he better start to add a few more pages to FU's offense besides the QB option, and the end around to P. Harvin....if he wants to win another N.C. this decade!
All joking aside....Florida will be a force to reckon with in '08.
P.S. Urban Meyer gave Timmothy Tebow a reach around.....true story!
Geaux Tigers!!!!!!!
gatorstud said:
posted on January 15, 2008 4:35 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
well what do you know..i thought TE was the only educated tiger..thanks bayoubengal for having a head and brain on your shoulders....instead of just a lump of crap three feet above your a$$....nice accurate post...
lol...the reach around comment...now thats funny, i don't care who you are....
and correct you are...meyer needs to SPREAD the wealth around his spread option offense...teams know who harvin is now and what he is capable of doing when he has the ball....and with the receiving group we will have...timmy should throw more this next season...
it's the defense that needs to get better...charlie strong needs to start yellin at people or something.....put a stick up someones butt....defense last year was attrocious.....
go gators.....
BayouBengal said:
posted on January 15, 2008 4:55 PM — 72.149.254.106 — link — abuse?
Bevo Boy.....
yeah maybe so!
Because apparently "Touchdown Jesus" was no where to be seen during Notre Dame's bismal season in '07!
Since when does "TD Jesus" take mutiple games off.....against Navy mind you!
He had to be somewhere.....
.....remember, Timmothy accounted for 51 freakin TD's.....who does that? In the SEC none the less!
Notre Dame can't accumulate 51 TD's even if they added there '07, '08 & '09 total td's together!
Maybe this is just the start of "Touchdown Tebow"
Probably not though.
Eye of the Tiger said:
posted on January 15, 2008 5:16 PM — 138.163.0.44 — link — abuse?
GatorStud,
Don't act like you are so smart when you can't even understand a post. My comment on why Urban has had many flaws as a coach has nothing to do with play calls fool. It has to do with how he ran his organization. Why do you think you have Assistants leaving w/ allegedly no raise? I can't get into any other details be/c honestly, I don't follow the Gator program. All I know is what I see, and from what I understand you didn't have many Senior starters be/c Urban didn't believe in them.
I'm sorry you feel so affected by my opinion and feel like you have to name call be/c you have nothing else intelligent to say. This is just my opinion, but from what I see I don't think your program is making changes for the better. If an organization is having problems internally to the point where you have great assistants w/ great recruiting records hating your guts be/c the way you treat them, what makes you think it will get any better w/ the next assistant? IMO the only problem w/ FLA last year was Urban and Tebow's love affair. It affected the whole program and the same thing will happen next year.Bevo Boy said:
posted on January 15, 2008 5:28 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
OU-Ron, first of all, Akers wasn't even there in '76, so how could he have done anything that would make Texas cheat? I'm not standing up for what he did, and you shouldn't be standing up for what Switzer did, either. Honestly, would you rather have the asterisk put next to a few mediocre seasons when a mediocre coach cheated, or would you rather have it put next to back to back national titles?
TampaGator said:
posted on January 15, 2008 5:38 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Biggtr/#58:
Well done; thank you for clarifying the record, at least in this forum.
re. /#60:
To Kevin's credit, "emphasis added" means the author added it, not that it's part of the original quote--so at least he confessed to some editrializtion in the original post.
I'm sure we can expect many more rumors, unsubstantiated allegations and spin, before national signing day--then a bunch more afterwards, as everyone wonders how Meyer landed all those great recruits...
GO GATORS!!
gatorstud said:
posted on January 15, 2008 5:49 PM — 71.115.83.216 — link — abuse?
eye of tiger...make up your mind, man.......you say you don't follow the gators, but you want to chime in and give your expert opinion on the matter ....here is a hint...if you don't know anything about it..then don't act like you do
you first post on this board started out by calling meyer an a$$hole...soo eexxccuussee me for getting involved.....and if you payed attention to the gators last year..the offense didn't have as near as many problems as defense...meyer was leaning on tebow to outscore opponents instead of riding charlie to stop opposing offenses....the defense gave up too many easy plays...the middle of the field was open all freaking year...and secondary play was at best "average".....
i am not trying to start a pissin contest w/ you..but.seriously....if someone called out miles and his program..you wouldn't defend him....so don't get all hollier than thou on me....
holliday left for wvu because he has roots there....and as for drayton...i don't think there are too many gators sorry to see him go...he just wasn't getting the job done....
i would have to be an idiot to say that the loss of holliday won't affect our recruiting..but that is the way it goes....
and drayton to tenn......that's hilarious..when has tenn. beaten florida on a regular basis like the gators dominat tenn......he is an idiot.....
jmho...pissing match is over....
go gators...
Zac said:
posted on January 15, 2008 5:54 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
Bevo Dude, I don't care if your team has won a national championship, if there isn't a single 5, 4, or even 3 star player on it, or whether your name is Switzer or Akers. Cheating is cheating. Some of what is defined as cheating may make ya wanna scratch your sac, but the NCAA doesn't care about anyone’s opinion on the matter either. If they catch a program cheating, they're gonna lower the boom. And, just because one program has done it, doesn't make it right for other programs to do it. Whether anyone has gotten away with it or not, cheating is still cheating. It’s dishonorable; it’s not nice. Are we clear on this???
By the way, that Berry Switzer-esk, I have to admit; that was cool.
Tomcat said:
posted on January 15, 2008 6:13 PM — 69.153.80.147 — link — abuse?
Hey Bevo Boy # 71 remember or research
I'm not a crook
The check's in the mail
You really cannot compare apples to oranges
Like Switzer and Akers-- They are two completely different individuals.
There are only two football coaches to win Nat Championships in College and Pro. Barry Switzer and Jimmy Johnson both played for the Arkansas Razorbacks. These guys won national titles as players and coaches.
Their records speak for themselves, and you really cant blame OU fans for sticking up for their coach.The coaches job is to win games period. To bring up old questionable ethics etc. etc. doesnt diminish the fact that Switzer won games, we can learn from the success of others.
Hookem-Horns
Eye of the Tiger said:
posted on January 15, 2008 6:18 PM — 138.163.0.41 — link — abuse?
I don't know GatorStud. To lose an assistant to a rival school that can pull just as much talent is nothing to sneeze at. Unless Urban does some serious reconstruction in his offense I think Tenn will be your biggest threat for the next few years.
For the record people talk smack about Miles all the time (including myself). I just recently changed my opinion on his character after seeing how he handled the Mich rumors and the media. You'll never hear me bash him again. He is a stand-up guy and a true sportsman, but by all means feel free to bash him if you feel like it. I'll tell you one thing for sure...I still think Urban is an A__hole.Matt said:
posted on January 15, 2008 7:17 PM — 71.12.210.137 — link — abuse?
If you're going to attempt to bash Meyer, at least get the damn quote right.
“Let’s make this clear,” Meyer said. “It’s not difficult to say goodbye to a senior. A senior that maybe just put in time and didn’t do a whole lot...no, it’s time for you to go and move on. It’s really hard to say goodbye to seniors that are invested in your program and jumped in with both feet and graduate. Bubba’s (Caldwell) a graduate and (Clint) McMillan’s a graduate of Florida and they were a part of the national championship team, part of a team that played in a January 1 bowl. It’s hard to say goodbye to those guys and so when you say ‘seniors,’ just because you’re a senior doesn’t make you a value to the team. A value to the team means that you contribute and you’re part of the team and I’m going to really miss some of those guys.”
Telling kids in the locker room that if you don't want to be here and try hard, then you need to leave and not be here and then praising those that give 100%. Big deal.
posted on January 15, 2008 7:27 PM — link — abuse? said:
@Matt - Thanks for posting the right damn quote. I was in the process of transcribing the content of the audio Gatorhippy provided when you commented, so my fingers owe you one. I'm going to presume that you got the damn quote right, because I was halfway through and it seems correct so far.
Also, I want to thank The Genius for the help on this post. Some people have emailed being critical of Gatorhippy challenging me. That's absurd. Gatorhippy is helping to keep it real. Sometimes I mess up and he helped right the ship.
NOTE: post updated to reflect the full quote provided generously by Matt and the Gatornation.
OK. Now that we have the great quote debate of 2008 behind us.... ((and I don't think the message is materially different, but at least now it is 'accurate'))... is there anything that leads you to believe that Meyer actually values the sacrifices of all of his players? Not me.
The quote debate was/is semantics, but the reality remains - Meyer has deemed from on high that some players -- despite their effort and sacrifices -- just didn't give enough.
Don V said:
posted on January 15, 2008 8:26 PM — 97.100.9.74 — link — abuse?
Kevin,
Isn't that his job? To determine who gives enough? Your question assumes that all the players gave good effort. That doesn't happen on any team. The question is what do you do with the ones who don't give full effort.
He's calling them out - I still don't have a problem with it - heck, I'd expect a coach to call his players on the carpet for it. Calling them out by name might be going too far (which he didn't do), but the vague statement he made? No problem from here.
Bigg8tr said:
posted on January 15, 2008 8:42 PM — 65.32.109.192 — link — abuse?
Kevin,
There is a big difference in what was originally posted and what Coach Meyer really said. Why are you avoiding what he said at a later press conference, one that immediately followed the radio press conference?
The quote isn't semantics, and he never said or implied that "some players - despite their effort and sacrifices -- just didn't give enough."Where is that implied about any of the seniors on the team? Where did he say "we have seniors like that on our team?"
You asked - is there anything that leads you to believe that Meyer actually values the sacrifices of all his players? Yes - the television press conference - where he stated that the only negative about this senior class is that there weren't enough of them. The part were he says this senior class needs to be recognized that it won 31 games in 3 seasons - that it won a National Title etc.. He also named other SR's other than Bubba and McMill, in that press conference.
You see the problem with this "blog" and your view is that it's nothing more than an attempt to spin the press conference in a negative light.
You say that you have a copy of the interview, so you can hear the tone of what he said. He was clarifying the belief that people should be sad to see SR's leave just because they are SR's
Based on what I heard - he was saying in some cases if the SR's just sit around and do nothing for 4 yrs why would you be sad to see them leave? But if they invested in the program - and he used examples - and used the name tossed out by Babik, Bubba, and added another name, those SR's you wouldn't be sad to see them leave. Then in the later press conference he talked about the whole SR class. But hey - and I'll repeat it again - the content of that later press conference doesn't fit your agenda.
posted on January 15, 2008 8:46 PM — link — abuse? said:
@Don V - It is the coaching staff's job to evaluate talent - without question. But when you're talking about your seniors who have given years to the university and the program... after their final game... nah, that's just not the right forum.
If they sucked that bad, he should have cut 'em long ago. He didn't - he thought they had something to contribute. Now they've got no value??
I don't even know the right analogy to use to try to illustrate my point (which is surprising, because I use a lot of really bad analogies). The only thing I can think of is a guy dumping a girl after a couple of years and saying she was [insert derogatory term here]. Well, if she was such a [insert derogatory term here], why didn't you dump her years ago?
gatorhippy
posted on January 15, 2008 8:54 PM — 70.121.110.84 — link — abuse? said:
K-Hue (#79):
First let me say thanks for the aknowledgment...
I only push the envelope with the Gator threads when I feel you have swayed a little to Garnet & Gold for nuetrality or when I feel you're pushing here say...
Which that quote that you posted initially was the same out of context crap that has been appearing around the net since after the Cap One...
However, this quote is not from the initial post game interview with the press at the stadium...
Not sure from where, but it is not from THAT PC...
But I won't push it there...
We'll address the focus of the post...
Senior value...
You're implying that EVERY senior gave all their blood, sweat and tears for Gator football this past season and that it wasn't good enough for Meyer...
So I assume then that you feel that you are in a better position to evaluate the daily effort and sacrifice made by each of these players that Meyer deemed as not "a value to the team" than Meyer himself?
I'm pretty sure that's not the case, Kev...
Here's the deal...
There is a difference between lacking talent and lacking effort...
Meyer is addressing those that either did not put their best effort forward regardless of their talent level...
You're making a mountain out of a mole hill, Kev...
Pure Nole spin...
posted on January 15, 2008 9:03 PM — link — abuse? said:
@Bigg8tr - Nope. That doesn't hold water. You can't walk away from the quote after the great quote debate has been resolved. The quote is the quote. The audio is linked.
A senior that maybe just put in time and didn't do a whole lot...no, it's time for you to go and move on.
Respectfully, Meyer did imply that some seniors just didn't give enough.
@TampaGator - I have to give you props, because you're the only Gator so far to say that the comments were wrong (at face value).
@ALL - I had completely forgotten about Urban Meyer's uncomfortably emotional press conference a few years back. Apparently there *is* crying in football and we were all wrong about that. I stand corrected.Don V said:
posted on January 15, 2008 9:05 PM — 97.100.9.74 — link — abuse?
@Kevin
If he was calling them out for their own good, then, yes, after their final game doesn't work. They weren't the audience though. The boosters were the audience, his non-seniors were the audience and the recruits were the audience. He doesn't accept players that don't give what he deems is an appropriate amount of effort.
He addressed the coaching, too, in the post-game press conference, saying that they did make coaching errors. He also called out the young guys "didn't live up to the standards we've set".
Don't get me wrong - the comments he made were in frustration and anger and he probably would've phrased it slightly differently after cooling down some. However, I believe he wanted a real clear message sent that guys better come to spring ball ready to work.
posted on January 15, 2008 9:11 PM — link — abuse? said:
@gatorhippy - Quite the contrary. I am not saying that I disagree with the evaluation of the players.
What I take issue with (and I think this is where a lot of people think Meyer is over the line) is to publicly criticize the effort after their last ever game.
C'mon, man. If any other coach - let's say Pete Carroll - had said something to the effect of 'some of the guys that just walked out the door won't be missed' don't you think people would be critical of that comment? I sure do.
If not, then I will have to agree to disagree.
Bigg8tr said:
posted on January 15, 2008 9:21 PM — 65.32.109.192 — link — abuse?
K -
You still miss the point. He wasn't talking about his seniors... He was correcting Babik and other's like yourself - that say just because you're a Sr it will be sad to see them go. He corrected that notion and said No - it isn't sad to see someone go if they didn't invest in the program. But he wasn't talking about his SR's as far as I can tell.Especially since he said what he said about the Sr class in the next press conference. If you have listened to Coach Meyer's press conference over the years - He always seems to say "A" and it means "A", then he turns around and says "B" and it still means "A". He has done this since he has been at UF - uses different explanations to explain the same thing.
How can you simply dismiss what he said at the television press conference when it comes to what he meant about his SR class - a press conference that happened immediately before or after the radio press conference(the one you are talking about).
So him saying that the only negative about this SR class is that there weren't many of them has no meaning to you whatsoever? Or are you simply ignoring that because it doesn't fit with your agenda to bash Coach Meyer.You have yet to acknowledge that statement and continuously "skip" it when you write stuff "like it's a shame he dissed his senior class blah, blah, blah..."
gatorhippy
posted on January 15, 2008 9:25 PM — 70.121.110.84 — link — abuse? said:
K-Hue (#86):
I think we'll have to, Kev...
As I pointed out in #4...
I have experienced much worse with coaches in both high school in college under my playing experience...
Sometimes directly criticized for my lack of effort...
Perhaps, I just understand better eyer is coming from because of experience...
At both colleges I played at dudes were run off each year because of lack of effort or graduated and were publicly told they wouldn't be missed by the staff...
Abnd that was freakin' NAIA ball, bro...
Again, Kev...
This is COMPETITIVE COLLEGE FOOTBALL AT ITS HIGHEST LEVEL...
Not the local youth flag league where everyone gets to play...
The cliche "110%" effort is expected each time you step anywhere near anything to do with the program...
Whether that means...
Busting your rear at practice like you may never play again after that day...
Busting your tail in the off season and pushing yourself to the point of exhaustion to the point where you don't think you can ever do it again...
Only to get up and do it again the next day...
Whether it means sacrificing your social life and not hanging out until three in the moring downtown in order to stay out of trouble...
Or if it means disciplining yourself when not at the team chow table with the nutritionist breathing down your neck and resisting the urge to woof down that box of Twinkies you see in the grocery store...
These are the things that Urban is talking about and there are seniors leaving that are examples of both the right and wrong on all of those...
Not to mention the ones that would have been seniors but have fallen to the wayside because of their failure to stay out of the doghouse...
posted on January 15, 2008 9:32 PM — link — abuse? said:
But he wasn't talking about his SR's as far as I can tell.
Especially since he said what he said about the Sr class in the next press conference. If you have listened to Coach Meyer's press conference over the years - He always seems to say "A" and it means "A", then he turns around and says "B" and it still means "A". He has done this since he has been at UF - uses different explanations to explain the same thing.
How can you simply dismiss what he said at the television press conference when it comes to what he meant about his SR class - a press conference that happened immediately before or after the radio press conference(the one you are talking about).
My head just exploded.
Bigg8tr said:
posted on January 15, 2008 9:37 PM — 65.32.109.192 — link — abuse?
Since you conveniently ignore what was stated in the press conference that is linked above - BTW the press conference you have linked above is the television press conference...
He says "First off I would like to thank the SR class for getting us back to the pinnacle of college football last year, and they weren't many guys. The most disappointing thing about this SR class is that there wasn't that many of them. That's not there fault, there were guys who left, who transferred, who moved on - weren't good enough.So I don't want to take away from the Drew Miller's, the Carlton Medder's. Carlton Medder changed his whole life and came back and played in the National Championship and a January 1 bowl game, and won 31 games in 3 yrs, there's a lot of positives and I don't want to lose them. The biggest negative of this class is there weren't many of them - "
So - why have you ignored this quote? To me this clarifies what he felt about THIS Sr. class, and adds context to his explanation on the radio interview.But again - not apart of your agenda.
selfishteams
posted on January 15, 2008 9:40 PM — 146.151.118.33 — link — abuse? said:
Consistent with the message of the original article... a review of public charities supported by Top 25 coaches (on http://selfishteams.com/top-25-coaches-donate-to-more-football/) shows that Meyer is, uh, not at the top of the list.
posted on January 15, 2008 9:47 PM — link — abuse? said:
@Bigg8tr - Please keep up. We updated the linked video so that everyone could see the exact context of the quote. It's all there for everyone to watch.
Next, I think you're being micro here, and GH & I are being macro. We're discussing the relative merits of Meyer making a statement that some of his players (and for you, we'll just not discuss what year they are) will not be missed because they didn't give enough effort.
Gatorhippy has accurately and eloquently explained what I will call the "Meyer was right" argument.
I have attempted, albeit poorly, to explain that - regardless of the accuracy of the statement - Meyer committed a PR gaffe and cast himself in a very poor light. And as a reflection of UF, he potentially cast the school in a poor light to recruits.
Some agree, some disagree.
Please don't get bogged down in the semantics of one word.
Ready... go.
gatorhippy
posted on January 15, 2008 9:48 PM — 70.121.110.84 — link — abuse? said:
Bigg8tr (#93):
Actually that is the genral press conference with the media at large...
However, you are correct that the actual content of the PC has been largely ignored around the internet in general and focused on that longer quote that didn't even come from that PC...
For those interested...
You can find Bigg8tr's quote at the 9:50 mark on the Full Urban Meyer Post Game Press Conference seen under the Michigan Cap One heading at the link provided above...
Please note that the quote that has been questioned is never made during THIS press conference...
Hoping Matt will be able to link the origination of that particular quote...
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on January 15, 2008 9:50 PM — 143.127.131.4 — link — abuse?
To all of you who are touting Drayton's recruiting skills, I'll remind you that while UF's running game has been underperforming, Drayton watched in-state running back stars C.J. Spiller sign with Clemson and Noel Devine head to WVU.
gatorhippy
posted on January 15, 2008 9:58 PM — 70.121.110.84 — link — abuse? said:
And to further back my point across the board...
The same effort that is expected by the players is expected in a similiar manner by the coaches...
Coordinators should be studying tape until their newborn children are teenagers and have no idea who that strange man is that comes to the house every once and awhile...
Positional coaches are expected to exhaust every possible option to get players to learn the fundamentals and technique and get the most out of each player under their tutelage on the depth chart...
Apparently, Drayton wasn't doing this...
As evidenced by his being berated to the point of tears by Meyer...
For the record, I have no problem with this...
Drayton needed to perform and apparently was not...
Again, no one here is in a position to make a daily evaluation of Drayton's performance on the UF staff...
Sure he seems to be/have been a great recruiter...
But getting the talent is only the first part of the job...
Developing it is the most crucial and perhaps hardest...
Mr2Bits said:
posted on January 14, 2008 4:31 PM — 97.76.59.182 — link — abuse?Winning is everything and if the players aren't performing they can take a hike, plain and simple. It’s a mentally and physically exhausting game. If you’re boss is riding your ass at work, sure your going to get worked up and emotional. But if you’re not doing your job and feel as though you’re being attacked, you cut ties and try some where different hoping your new boss isn’t the same as the last. It's the same way at any elite program across the country. Eat or be eaten! Also I’d like to point out that there is no crying in football except if you’re T.O.