January 31, 2006
Recruit says he was pushed toward Notre Dame
One exciting development came out of an otherwise dull meeting of the Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics on Monday. Highly touted Florida State signee Myron Rolle told the meeting of the Knight Commission that he was instructed by recruiting analyst Tom Lemming to keep Notre Dame on his short list of schools in order to increase his chances to be named MVP of the U.S. Army All-American Bowl all-star game and ensure that he would be a featured player during the telecast of the game. NBC, which showed the high school game in San Antonio on Jan. 7, also has a contract for Notre Dame home games.
This is not the first time that Lemming has been linked to negative recruiting surrounding FSU, but it is certainly the most noteworthy. Lemming is one of many widely known recruiting wonks whose rankings are used by media outlets and fans to determine the quality of a particular class of incoming freshman football players. Lemming's rankings are used by several major media outlets including USA Today. After he made the comments about being told by Lemming to consider Notre Dame, Myron Rolle repeated the remarks after the end of the committee's session.
"He told me if I kept Notre Dame in mind, the NBC (TV) guy would interview me and they would showcase me during the game. He told me I'd have a higher chance of being MVP. I took it as having less of a chance of getting MVP if I didn't keep Notre Dame on my list."
Lemming denies that the conversation ever took place, and claimed that Rolle misconstrued questions about his choice of a college. Rolle has stated several times that he plans to attend medical school after his football career ends and that academics would come first in his selection of a school. Lemming claimed that any questions he had about Rolle's choice of a school only stemmed from trying to discover why he selected FSU over more-ballyhooed academic institutions such as Stanford and Duke. He also accused Rolle of being eager to gain as much exposure for himself as possible.
"Myron is the biggest media hound that I've ever seen, I selected him for this game in September, and he played in the game. (Criticism) is part of the business when you select an All-American team. Myron's taking it to a new level. It hurt his ego when he wasn't first-team All-American."
Lemming's recruiting rankings have Rolle ranked 28th in the nation, while other services such as Rivals.com, ESPN.com, and Scout.com have Rolle ranked as high as #1 in the whole nation. Rolle has enrolled at Florida State already and will be available to join the rest of the team during spring practice and is expected to immediately compete for playing time at safety.
UPDATE: Another interesting article about recruiting ethics and Myron Rolle's recruitment in particular from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
Comments:
NorthNOLE said:
posted on January 31, 2006 10:31 AM — 24.51.169.157 — link — abuse?
This is the second time that Lemming has been associated with "negative" recruiting with respect to FSU. Last month, it was said that Lemming advised the Pouncey twins (stud junior lineman from Lakeland HS) to avoid an early commitment to FSU and to keep their options open...
I think on the surface it appears as negative recruiting but in actuality I think Lemming is kinda looking out for these kids... In both cases, it doesn't appear that Lemming was trying to influence the kids to choose another school.. It seems he was attempting to keep their stock high in the media..
For Rolle, all he said was the keep ND on his short list.. knowing that since NBC was covering the game, Rolle would get more attention if the fans thought he was still interested in ND (whether or not that was true)..
Likewise with the Pouncey twins.. he told them to appear to be available (even if they really weren't), otherwise an early commitment drops interest in the players within media circles resulting in less attention and national coverage..
It doesn't seem to me that he has anything against FSU (unless there are other stories that I don't know of - if so please put them on here), it just seems that he knows the media side of the recruiting better than anyone and wants to help kids out..
ps. since Rolle's early declaration to FSU, he dropped from #3 overall at rivals.com to #12..
NorthNOLE said:
posted on January 31, 2006 11:45 AM — 24.51.169.157 — link — abuse?
I do believe that even if he has the player's best interest at heart (which is obviously debatable).. it does interfere with the school's recruiting ability.. i mean, for example, take the Pouncey twins.. if they had their hearts set on FSU.. but then Lemming convinces them to keep their eyes open.. they take a few official visits and next thing you know, they are going somewhere else.. when FSU had them all locked up..
posted on January 31, 2006 11:47 AM — 68.35.231.61 — link — abuse?Mike Boone said:
The link to the Lorenzo Booker story is the only example I've been able to find of Lemming tampering with other FSU recruits. The general feeling among Seminole fans (gleaned from message boards and other websites) is that Lemming has always had a certain affection for Notre Dame and an equal dislike for FSU. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
NorthNOLE said:
posted on January 31, 2006 11:53 AM — 24.51.169.157 — link — abuse?
I don't doubt that what Rolle says is true.. Rolle is known for his character off the field, as much as his ability on it..
I don't think that ND had anything to do with it.. but I'm sure Lemming did..
which sounds more realistic.. Rolle's version.. about Lemming's attempt to get him more attention and get some viewer interest in a potential ND recruit.. or Rolle just making it all up because he wasn't picked as a first team Lemming All-American..
If he was indeed a media hound.. wouldn't he have dragged his recruiting out.. played it cool and have no one know which way he was leaning until the last days, so that he could maximize exposure.. instead of committing extremely early then spending his time trying to get other recruits to join him..
posted on January 31, 2006 11:57 AM — 68.35.231.61 — link — abuse?
I understand the argument that Lemming is just trying to get a young man the most exposure possible, but there is no reason why he'd need to bring Notre Dame into the picture. Tom Lemming practically runs the Army All-American game, if he wanted to highlight Rolle for purely benevolent purposes he could have done that without implying that the kid needed to be looking at Notre Dame in order for that to happen.
Nicole said:
posted on January 31, 2006 12:50 PM — 68.35.211.211 — link — abuse?
Yeah, I think the other article (about Booker and the other guys) just gives more credibility to what Myron Rolle is saying.Lemming says the players are media hounds and are just upset because they received lower rankings by him, but don't you think its kinda strange that their rankings only drop on HIS list and stay about the same on the other lists (such as ESPN.com and Rivals.com)? I'm glad these players are standing up for themselves and FSU, so that this nonsense is brought to light.
posted on January 31, 2006 12:55 PM — link — abuse?
Lemming has been pro-ND since Holtz was there at least.
He also was pro-SC when Holtz was there and in showed in his recruiting rankings, especially the JUCO rankings that Dave Roberts basically did for him.
WhoCares said:
posted on January 31, 2006 4:24 PM — 64.49.11.250 — link — abuse?
This is kind of like the OJ trial. All evidence points to Lemming being guilty. I seriously doubt Rolle made up that story, it just seems too random. Everyone tries to influence where recruits go, this time a high profile recruiting "expert" got caught red-handed.
Rock the Swamp said:
posted on January 31, 2006 4:31 PM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?
Rivals.com has him at #12. How do we really know how good these kids are, compared to other people. Have we watched every game these kids have played in the last 2 or 3 years? When you think about it, there really isnt a big difference between #12 and #28. Really the only categoriy that you can put a player in is: 5 star, 4 star, 3 star, 2 star, and 1 star.
And you're tellin me that if you were as important as Lemming, you wouldnt tell recruits to go to your school?
OSUToledoFanatic said:
posted on January 31, 2006 5:43 PM — 65.185.110.90 — link — abuse?
Lemming is the biggest homer for ND and has been for a while. He hates Florida schools, Most of the Big ten (mostly Ohio St. and Michigan). He consistantly tries to lure recruits to ND and ranks them higher if they committ to ND. He also lowers players if they committ to a school early or less its to ND of course.
Dano said:
posted on January 31, 2006 8:29 PM — 65.15.101.203 — link — abuse?
Why would a kid seeking an education go to FSU, They are known for recruiting the local jails and crack houses. I would think that a "smart" kid would want peers that he could hold a conversation with, or would run in the same circles with later in life, most FSU football players (notice i didn't say grads, they rarely leave with a diploma) leave college with a 5th grade education. Sure there have been a few that could wear the cap and gown but that is rare. I would retest this kid. I am sure there is a reason that ND wouldn't allow him enroll early. One good thing for FSU, he can only improve their academic standing, then again, so could my wifes retarded cousin from Florida.
Underbruin said:
posted on January 31, 2006 11:45 PM — 68.34.46.3 — link — abuse?
Little bit of looking unearthed this link over at CFBNews.com:
To wit: "Based on a report in the Roanoke Times by Doug Dougherty saying that recruiting guru Tom Lemming helped steer a recruit to Virginia Tech and that his early hyping of the Virginia recruiting class might have helped them land some star players, are the recruiting insiders becoming too big?"
The guy's been doing this for years, he's been called out in '02, '04, and now '06. I highly doubt it's all coincidental.
posted on February 1, 2006 12:17 AM — 68.35.231.61 — link — abuse?
I seem to recall that he was expecting alot of his AP credits to transfer to FSU, allowing him to do graduate level work sooner than at other institutions.
cware said:
posted on February 1, 2006 6:39 PM — 68.59.109.33 — link — abuse?
Hey everyone putting down Rolle for going to FSU, saying he wanted a good education, check this out. Maybe, just maybe, with Rolle being an outstanding football player, he wanted to play football at an outstanding football program where he would get noticed and play against the high level competition and also get a good education. Wow, imagine that. FSU has a good medical school and alot of outstanding doctors have came from there (Rolle says he wants to attend medical school). Maybe he's smarter than yall out there who speak before they think.
NorthNOLE said:
posted on February 1, 2006 10:08 PM — 24.51.169.157 — link — abuse?
Actually Dano.. you're wrong.. maybe you should have enrolled in FSU and then you would learn that you look up facts before you shoot your mouth off..
In 2003, FSU graduated 49%. Ahead of Michigan, Florida, Ohio State, Tennessee, LSU, Georgia Tech, Texas, ASU, Oklahoma.. to name a few. Moreover, the difference between the grad rate of football players and all students was less than a 20% difference, unlike schools as prestigious as Notre Dame, Michigan, Florida, Pitt, Ohio State, Illinois, Oklahoma, Clemson, North Carolina, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Auburn, to name a few... (aka. the graduation rate of football players at these schools was more than 20% lower than that of the average student at each respective university ---- wanted to break it down simple-like for any "retard cousins" that might be reading this!!)
In 2004, FSU graduated 49%. Ahead of Florida, Georgia Tech, LSU, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Cal, ASU, Arizona.. to name a few.
In 2005, FSU graduated 52%. Ahead of Oklahoma, LSU, Tennessee, Georgia, Texas, Cal, Arizona.. to name a few.
Let's be honest, every football player from FSU isn't graduating college. But it offers an environment for athletic and intellectual development that's as good or better than most Division I schools...
Oh by the way.. Rolle stated early that he was interested in medical school and that it would be great to play football at a school and then continue there for medical school...
NOTRE DAME DOES NOT HAVE A MEDICAL SCHOOL.. (but you checked on that when you did your research, right?!?)
Brian said:
posted on February 1, 2006 11:00 PM — 24.155.64.69 — link — abuse?
Lemming is a creepy scumbag and has been one for a long time. Plus, if you look at his rankings, Notre Dame commits average are ranked way than they are elsewhere. Guy has absolutely no credibility with his target audience, I have no idea why he's still employed.
Canestrdamus said:
posted on February 2, 2006 12:10 PM — 65.2.174.17 — link — abuse?
Northhole, you don't know what your talking about. Yes FSU has a med program(UF's better) but, you do realize that you don't graduate enough players and will be receving scholarship reductions for being under the academic standards of the ACC.
Every school except UM, Duke and Wake, are under the academic standards set by the ACC and the NCAA. That means you don't graduate enough players. And it's pathetic that FSU only graduates 70% of its students. That's bad.
What i'm trying to say is soon enough you'll get yours, got to play by the rules, too bad Bobby's gonna retire before he sees it happen, but Jeff's next in line.
You think 8-5 is bad, wait till you can only get one kid from prision each season.
posted on February 2, 2006 12:40 PM — 68.35.231.61 — link — abuse?
Those graduation rates only count students who graduate within four years of their matriculation date.
Nation-wide only 63% of students get their degree within six years.Andrew said:
posted on February 2, 2006 12:41 PM — 71.52.180.47 — link — abuse?
Yeah, I like all the FSU academics bashing!! But all FSU does is put out senators, representatives of the house, and other high ranking people in society! FSU has the #1 school of music for a public institution, and a highly ranked law school! Yeah, he should've went to Stanford, where his education would've maybe been a little higher, and he could be a 4th or 5th round draft pick, right?? lol How bout go to sunny FSU, get a good eductaion, and become a top 1st round draft pick!?
Aquaman said:
posted on February 2, 2006 1:53 PM — 65.2.174.17 — link — abuse?
I guessing FSU graduates everyone, right, Boone?
The problem is FSU doesn't graduate its FOOTBALL PLAYERS! Most of them get kicked off the team, leave early, can't make the grades, or are arrested. The problem is you have to graduate more than 50% of your players or you lose scholarships.
Soon enough Bobby retires, and the ACC and NCAA investigates FSU, sees how bad things have gotten and puts them on probation.
posted on February 2, 2006 3:58 PM — 68.35.231.61 — link — abuse?
I didn't say anything about FSU graduating everyone, I was just making sure we keep the facts in mind. Incidentally, if you think FSU is bad, stay away from Florida A&M.
NorthNOLE said:
posted on February 2, 2006 5:52 PM — 24.51.169.157 — link — abuse?
FSU is a state school.. not a private school.. thus they don't follow the same admissions policies.. they can't limit their enrollees to only the top 1-2% of students across the country.. ya know.. like the University of Miami, Notre Dame, Stanford, USC... that's why those schools have better graduation rates across the board..
UF's med school IS better than FSU... as well it should be.. UF's medical school is celebrating its 50th anniversary.. UF has developed great health science programs over the last 50 years.. but you can't fairly compare them to a school that's been open less than 5.. it would be like comparing UF to Harvard/John Hopkins..
Plus how can you argue that FSU will see.. their day is coming.. when UF was below them with respect to graduating football players.. you don't make any sense..
PS. the losing of scholarships is more complicated than just the need to graduate 50% of students.. its based on GSR (graduation success rate) not the actual percentage of athletes that graduate.. plus.. and more importantly.. students that leave the university who otherwise would have been eligible to return (aka the players that skip their senior years to go to the NFL) don't count against the university's GSR.. so FSU will probably not have a problem with this...
NorthNOLE said:
posted on February 2, 2006 6:16 PM — 24.51.169.157 — link — abuse?
The NCAA uses APR (Academic Progress Rate) calculations to determine yearly penalties (lost scholarships). It only roughly equates to a 50% graduation rate, without taking into account losses to the NFL/MLB/NBA or transfers.
Of the 21 seniors on FSU this last year, 14 left the university with a degree.
GrandGator of the Order of the GatorNation said:
posted on February 3, 2006 7:41 AM — 204.208.180.5 — link — abuse?
Myron Rolle is garbage anyway. He wanted a five star education........so he picked Florida State. Please....FSU is not the education Mecca by far. Rolle is a liar and is doing what every other scumbag from FSU has set out to do. There out the ruin other schools through the media and other outlets since they can't make it happen on the field. FSU's days are numbered because the Bowden family can not coach. Jeff Bowden is the worst offensive coordinator I've ever seen. Bobby needs to be straight with his boy and send him to the special teams or equipment manager. Bobby is afraid to bring the pain when they play Clemson because he doesn't want Tommy to fail. Ol Bobby needs to step down and let one of his great assistants come in and take over the reigns.
Anyway back to Rolle, garbage; didn't impress me at all. He needs to play well in order to be a MVP of a game. Was Chris Wells keeping Notre Dame on his list or something to get the MVP? I don't think so.
Billy Nole said:
posted on February 3, 2006 10:31 AM — 128.186.40.201 — link — abuse?
Myron Rolle was garbage the day he decided he wanted to come to FSU over Florida, is that it?
And you're right about the whole Bowden family not being able to coach, hell Bobby only has a 17-14-1 record against "the boys" of old Florida.
He only won 2 national championships, and finished in the AP top 4 for 14 consecutive years.
No question if I had to have one coach to win a game for me I'd want Urban Meyer, he's just as good as Bobby is.
Look at all his MWC championships- 2 whole ones!!!
Hard to argue against those sort of statistics.NOTaNOLE said:
posted on February 3, 2006 2:25 PM — 68.204.158.116 — link — abuse?
Billy boy, it has taken Blobby how long to accomplish that? 278 years??? Now I believe Grand Gator is not calling Rolle's ability " Garbage " but rather his character. Far as I can tell, he will fit perfectly at Florida's Second University. Sure we would love to have an athlete like Rolle but it's not the end of the world for us.... You still got Jeffy so OUR future looks bright!!
WhoCares said:
posted on February 3, 2006 9:33 PM — 64.49.11.250 — link — abuse?
There's obviously a lot of hostility in the sunshine state. Granted, based on their rep, FSU isn't the "academic mecca" of the ncaa. However, most schools with good football programs aren't. And even if FSU has slipped on the totem pole the last few years, they're still good and they get a ton of publicity. You can't hate on the kid just because he didn't pick your team.
Rick Elmore said:
posted on February 4, 2006 1:52 PM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?
I took a look at the Florida State recruiting class and what did I see? DEFENSE !! Offensive players don't want to come to a school that runs a high offense with an offensive coordinator who doesn't know the game at this level. I never thought I would say this, but if Bobby doesn't have the same nerve that Lou Holtz did when his son didn't measure up and reassign Jeff Bowden to some lesser role, then Bobby needs to go rather than let his legacy be ruined. Bobby, it's way past time to let Jeff go.
T_IRISH_FAN'76 said:
posted on February 4, 2006 10:55 PM — 138.84.200.56 — link — abuse?
What is the big with this one kid, for all we know he could be the next big bust. As far as Lemming he is just trying to sell his product, and I'm not talking about ranking recruits. Lets face it, without Notre Dame he wouldn't have a job so it would make sense if he wants "good" players to go there.
NorthNOLE said:
posted on February 5, 2006 12:12 AM — 24.51.169.157 — link — abuse?
Rick:
you are entirely right.. FSU's defense is what has kept them from entirely falling off the table.. they haven't had a top-notch offensive since Richt left and Jeff certainly hasn't been the answer.. but its pretty hard to say that they have had much of a drop-off in recruiting offensive players.. this year they recruited 2 top 10 TE's, the no. 2 ranked offensive tackle, and the no. 6 ranked receiver... last year they recruited the top running back in the nation, the no. 2 receiver, and the no. 5 offensive tackle.. 2 years ago, they recruited 2 top 10 qb's..
They recruit by need.. they needed a lot of defensive players to fill the holes made by those leaving this year.. the offense is pretty well stocked except for O-line (which they did miss out on a bunch of the better talent available).. if we could only get an offensive coordinator we would consistantly be in the top 5 again
adpom10 said:
posted on February 5, 2006 3:46 PM — 69.180.59.98 — link — abuse?
NorthNOLE, you almost make it unfair. No one can match up to your data and well written posts. However, sometimes the doubters make the best case against themselves. For example, Aquaman writes about the academics at FSU, yet he is unable to write a grammatically correct and coherent sentence. Canestrdamus seems to know some facts, buy clearly not all. UM graduated 1% more football players than FSU. I wouldn't get so excited there buddy. Dano, I suppose, loses credibility with each post. Which school do you like Dano? Have they ever had a discipline issue with any player? If it is a division one school you root for, I would imagine you shouldn't throw stones. Crack houses and prisons? I really hope your allegiance isn’t like the Nostradamus wannabe, mentioned above. Boy, wouldn’t that be hypocritical.
The bottom line is: Lemming is a parasite - always has been and always will be, as long as the system remains the same at least.
NorthNOLE you make me proud to be an alumnus of FSU - good job.
GrandGator of the Order of the GatorNation said:
posted on February 6, 2006 9:33 AM — 204.208.180.5 — link — abuse?
Billy...do you really think Bobby is doing any coaching at this point in his life. He is a figure head just like Joe Pa. The coaches that were most responsible for those national titles are gone and coaching elsewhere. As the head coach you need to captain the ship which he is not doing very well. Jeff Bowden needs to go.
FSU would probabaly have never have risen to power had not UF went on probation. FSU was in the dumps at that time. Bowden couldn't coach at WVU either. It was perfect timing for Bobby because it made it easier for him to dip into the Florida talent pool with UF out of the picture. FSU's offensive philosophy of chucking it up and having them go get it is over. The nation has figured that one out. Its amazing how FSU continually squanders the best running talent in the nation. Bobby needs to make the changes soon or FSU will end up like Penn State was for a few years.Grand Gator
bsims said:
posted on February 7, 2006 12:51 PM — 65.33.122.200 — link — abuse?
People like 'dano' are an idiot. Why is everyone hating on FSU's academics? No we are not Stanford and that's fine. Look at our history in the arts, business, and sciences (taxol anyone????). Stop being jealous of FSU's long history of successful recruiting. If the only thing you can come up with is comparing FSU to UF and Duke's Medical schools then you're wasting your time.
And GrandGator, you have several good points, but to say that FSU would be another mid major program if UF had never gone on probation is ridiculous. Just another example of how snobby all the UF alumni are around here. 1 Nat'l Champ in 100 years of football, way to go UF.
UF has the arrogance of Notre Dame and the tradition of Wake Forestcanes alum said:
posted on February 7, 2006 5:31 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
Why are all the FSU supporters making a big deal that FSU has 2 titles compared to UF only having 1? I love to hear the second and third best teams in the state fight over who is the better team, when they forget the fact that that team is still only the second best team in Florida.
It's great to be a Miami Hurricane. You wish you were a Miami Hurricane!
Fighting Ibis said:
posted on February 7, 2006 6:40 PM — 69.163.197.196 — link — abuse?
I'm so glad someone said it Canes alum! In fact put UF and FSU together and they still fall 2 rings shy of being as great a program as UM! It's kind of like watching two fat chicks fight over the last snickers bar! Pointless,"because they'll still be fat" but still good times!
I love how both these programs think UM is done for? FSU won't have an O-line to speak of next year and they lost just about every playmaker on the Defensive side of the football. However, they are going to be ready the first game of the year against UM in the Orange Bowl against a better UM defense than last year! To the flip side, K.Wright no matter how badly he looked last year still was the best ACC QB! He'll improve with better pass protection from a new O-line "all of which played last year" giving him time to get the ball in playmakers hands, or dump the ball off to any of the handfull of Running Backs!
You see FSU fans that's called being a two dimensional offense! I know, I know that's not being fair to you guys because you have J.Bowden running your Offense & he's so busy taking care of his senile father, but what can I say?
As for the Gator fans. I keep hearing how we'll see how well your recruits pan out in the next two years, but I'll be to busy watching all of our Sophomores from our #1 recruiting class two years ago and our Juniors from a #1 recruiting class three years ago spank the crap out of the Noles for the seventh time out of eight games "you know how lucky you got last year"! And I'll be doing it from my fifty yrdline seats in the Orange Bowl! By the way, you're still just a bunch of Gayturds!
Who do we hate? Florida State! What do we eat? Gator meat!
FSU0897 said:
posted on February 7, 2006 8:14 PM — 12.205.157.197 — link — abuse?
I usually do not waste my time posting to these boards, but I just can't help myself after seeing some of the garbage up here. The UF & Miami guys always want to bash FSU's Football program, but that is normal. We are in-state rivals and that is what we are supposed to do. All three of these programs have gone through some rough times (FSU's in the last few years), but are consistently in the mix each year. Stack all three of us up side-by-side and I would say the state of Florida is doing pretty good as far as athletics. I think you would be hard pressed to find another state with three football programs that have been as successful as FSU, UM, & UF combined.
That being said, what the heck is it with you people bashing the education at Florida State? Yes, we are a public school and no we are not Stanford or Harvard, but let me tell you something - there are not a lot of school that are. I am an alum and I am no idiot, I own my own business and have quite well for myself. I have friends that work in New York that graduated from FSU that work in the same capacity as Havard and John's Hopkins graduates. Funny, they paid a million dollars for an education to have a job sitting next to a lowly public school graduate making the same money - who is the dumb one now? There is not any point bashing the education here...our med school is not Johns Hopkins or the most prestigious in the country. However, it is good for what it is designed to do. Just because you may have the money to buy yourself an Ivy league education does not mean it makes you any more of a "lock" to succeed in life. I have interviewed my share of people in my career and have found some of the most inept people have come from the "A" schools. Book smarts do not always mean you are going to be a stud in the real world.
I would be curious to see where all of the FSU education bashers finished up their degrees from and how they have faired. I would be willing to bet that those of us from FSU are going to be in pretty good shape, especially when I look at how articulate some of these posts are.
Stick to the topic at hand and have an intelligent conversation about Tom Lemming.
I think we all must remember that these guys we are talking about are 18 years old and not really adults yet. Don't you remember yourself at 18? I can say this for Myron Rolle - the kid handled himself well through the process. I did not hear anything moronic from him, so I fail to see how he is a media hound. Now the Rouse kid that was dropped from the team was a different story - that kid is what I would call a media hound and there is no comparison between him and Rolle.
Grand Gator of the Order of the Gator Nation said:
posted on February 7, 2006 9:06 PM — 204.208.180.5 — link — abuse?
Harvard and Yale have more national championships as well Mr. Fighting Ibis. In case you haven't heard Shalayla wants Miami to be the "Stanford of the South". She raised the qualifications for athletes so half of your recruiting class won't qualify. Also if it's not obvious by now, it should be; Larry Coker can not coach. If he could coach and manage a game they would have 2 national titles instead of the one he got. The Ohio State game was as poorly managed of a game as I have seen. I will easily compare Coker to Ron Zook. Zook was garbage that walked into an empty kitchen while Coker walked into one fully stocked. I guess Coker thought it would be as easy as playing the Nebraska team that shouldn't have been there in the first place. Oh the Hurricane warnings are still in effect, only they are more like Category 1 and 2 storms.
NorthNOLE said:
posted on February 7, 2006 11:09 PM — 24.51.169.157 — link — abuse?
UM... #1 recruiting class... when was this?.. and whom was ranking it?.. according to rivals.com's rankings, UM only cracked the top 5 twice in the last 5 years, with the highest being a #4.. FSU was only not in the top 4 one time over that span..
And yes, Jeff Bowden is a disaster by all accounts.. but I'm interested to see how well UM fares with its bevy of new coaches.. I mean, that was a really good move.. fire 4 coaches in the last month of the recruiting season.. and then watch all your good recruits choose other schools..
Oh.. by the way.. John Palermo (your new d-line coach) played football and graduated from FSU... ironic isn't it.. but you have to do what it takes to win, right..
Lucky we were? Like the multitude of times we lost by a missed kick
posted on February 8, 2006 12:29 AM — 68.35.231.61 — link — abuse?
Okay, lets get back to Lemming.
If he is in fact trying to influence recruiting by telling kids where they should go to school should the NCAA take some action?
Shouldn't Notre Dame (or whatever school he is telling kids to go too) tell him "Thanks but no thanks, we're fine on our own."? I think this creates more problems for a school than it solves.Grand Gator of the Order of the Gator Nation said:
posted on February 8, 2006 1:44 AM — 204.208.180.5 — link — abuse?
No they shouldn't take any action. Myron Rolle is garbage. He is a liar. If you want a bigtime education like he said then you just don't go to FSU. I'm not saying UF either. Stanford, UCLA, or something. He decides to go to thug U, the crimiNoles. I can't even talk about this punk kid anymore.
Fighting Ibis said:
posted on February 8, 2006 9:36 AM — 69.163.197.196 — link — abuse?
UM goes 9-3 and has dismal season! UF goes 9-3 and has great season? Coker has been coaching with B.Davis' staff. I think it will be great to get some new blood in the program, mix things up a little bit so teams have to come up with new game plans. How will FSU prepare for the Canes next year? What tendancies do you prepare your team for against them? UM knows what B.Bowden is going to throw at them!
Anyone associated with Notre Dame football should not be allowed to participate with college football! South Carolina went on probation after Lou Holtz left, but no investigation ever took place after he left Notre Dame? The NCAA started to look into violations, but it all dissapeared like a fart in the wind!
Hey Grand Gator! I guess J.Johnson wasn't a good coach because he didn't win against PSU? And I remember celebrating Coker's back to back National Championships for about a minute until a flag was thrown from a ref not on the play? It looked like one of those calls by J.Childress in the FSU Vs.UF game a few years back!
Gerald said:
posted on February 8, 2006 11:22 AM — 216.113.128.239 — link — abuse?
Fighting Ibis:
"UM goes 9-3 and has dismal season! UF goes 9-3 and has great season?" Look at the teams that Miami beat and lost to, and then do the same for Florida. See a difference? Look at where Miami was 2 or 3 years ago and where Florida was 2 or 3 years ago. See a difference? And how about the difference between a coach in his first year with a new system and a coach in his fifth year running the same system that Miami has since Schnellenberger was hired in 1979? As far as Jimmy Johnson goes, his NFL success with the Cowboys makes his college career in Miami look a lot better than it was. You have to look at Johnson's uninspiring stints at Oklahoma State and with the Dolphins to get a better perspective on his career. Johnson was a good coach, but not the great one that everyone made him out to be. Johnson won at Miami for the same reason that he won in the NFL: having much better players. When Johnson didn't have far and away better players than everyone else, he didn't look so hot, and that was the case at Oklahoma State (0 - 10 against Oklahoma and Nebraska and only one bowl victory), with the Miami Dolphins, the early years in Dallas, and even some of his years in Miami including the 8 - 4 disaster and the losses to the likes of Boston College and BYU. The only difference between Jimmy Johnson and Mack Brown is how the media reveres one for beating Oklahoma in one game of the century and hates the other for beating USC in the other game of the century. The truth is that when Johnson left Miami, a lot of people were glad, and when Dennis Erickson came in and won 2 titles off the bat while Johnson was looking lost in Dallas, those people felt vindicated.
FSU0897 said:
posted on February 8, 2006 12:39 PM — 24.249.192.6 — link — abuse?
To get to Mike Boone's point...I would think that ND would not want anything to do with Lemming and get the negative publicity. Weis is going to be able to recruit without anybody's help. He's a legit coach with a background screams "I can get you into the NFL." I think I would have to tell Lemming to drop the agenda. I would like to presume innocence, but this has happened with other FSU recruits (Boston & Booker to name a couple). When a pattern starts to form, it makes it hard to believe otherwise.
fsuman99 said:
posted on February 9, 2006 12:45 AM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
Hey listen Grand Gator,
Why don't you and your klansmen go back to your hole where you came from. There is no way on earth you would knock Rolle if he became an "obnoxious repitilious"-a Gaytor! It's people like you that justify why class act players don't want to come to Uf. Who wants to be associated with such an arrogant, cocky, obnoxious, self-righteous, and pathetic fanbase! Florida State has produced CEO's, Astronauts, Governors, Film directors and the like. So when it comes to a first-class education you can't go wrong with Florida State University! Besides that orange and blue can really make you nauseous after awhile. So congrats on Myron Rolle on selecting a university where he can achieve success and be proud of. Good luck Myron and Go 'Noles!!
GrandGator of the Order of the GatorNation said:
posted on February 9, 2006 6:00 AM — 204.208.180.5 — link — abuse?
Mr. Ibis. I will agree with you on that call. That was a terrible call and they should have won the game. My point is they should have never went to overtime in the first place. They should have been utilizing Winslow all game instead of the 4th quarter. They played with no urgency kind of like the Seahawks the other day.
Notre Dame Fan 444 said:
posted on February 9, 2006 6:54 AM — 199.208.239.140 — link — abuse?
Mike Boone-
Notre Dame did tell Myron Rolle, Mustain and the kicker from UCLA, thanks but no thanks. As a matter of fact Weis called Mustain and told him take ND off the list because he took two QBs (Jones and Frazier) and that he was not wanted. And all the "uncommitment" to Arkansas was a bunch of bull. He wanted to come to ND, just waited too long to make his decision. And now Arkansas gets him. Good for Arkansas and good for ND.
Lemming and Kiper are clowns anyway. That's why everyone should look at this class 4 years from now and rate them. You'll see a difference.
GrandGator of the Order of the GatorNation said:
posted on February 9, 2006 9:05 AM — 204.208.180.5 — link — abuse?
Oh my gosh I'm sorry. I didn't realize that an FSU education was so sought after. I know you get someone to direct the Bobby Bowden show. What class act players are you talking about. Peter Warrick.....Fred Rouse......A.J. Nicholson......McPherson.....that's it, you must be talking about McPherson. Maybe it's Wyatt Sexton and that lame Lyme disease excuse. Let's keep going here; umm lets see Snoop Minnis, Amp Lee and I could go on. So don't feed me crap about class act players. I'm not saying that we are perfect but we have made a lot of headway by firing Zook. Sure you can't go wrong with an FSU education if you are normal student. We all know that FSU is outta control and half the players don't even go to class. It would greatly interfere with there community service or their prison release programs. I'm glad that FSU gets to go to BCS bowls because they play the Mountain East conference. 4 losses in the SEC will get you a humanitarian bowl bid. If Miami's kicker and holder weren't such bumbs you could just add another loss to that column. I would never want a kid like Rolle on our team. He is definitely not 1% of 1 %. That's the bottom line.
Fighting Ibis said:
posted on February 9, 2006 4:17 PM — 69.163.197.196 — link — abuse?
Excuse me Gerald, but UF losing to South Carolina was the worse loss between UM and UF! Come on U.Meyer goes to play a lesser team with the Ol' Ball coach of UF and lost! South Carolina is nowhere near the caliber a program than LSU, FSU, or Ga Tech. Even UF fans were saying here we go again after that game. And to say otherwise is a flat out lie.
Fighting Ibis said:
posted on February 9, 2006 7:52 PM — 69.163.197.196 — link — abuse?
Gerald, UF losing to South Carolina last year was the biggest loss between UF and UM's losses. U. Meyer got beat by a lesser team and needed to show that he could out coach Spurrier. Every Gator fan I know said here we go again after that game. And to say otherwise makes liars out of all of you.
UM wasn't hungry to play LSU in the Peach Bowl! No matter how much all of you haters try to hype up that loss as being the end of the UM program, you're all wrong. I love it because you all better believe UM will fly under the radar next season. That is until you see FSU getting stomped on! UM has a great schedule next year to run the wire. The biggest games are all at home and UM is loaded with talent "as usual" despite what these so called sports analysts conjure up!
NorthNOLE said:
posted on February 9, 2006 8:39 PM — 24.51.169.157 — link — abuse?
Would you rather a kid like Percy Harvin, who has already been labeled as a "problem" and he hasn't even been to a practice yet?? I'm not sure what the exact quote was, but it was something to the effect of "if he can only get his head together, he will be a great player!"..
Joe said:
posted on February 9, 2006 9:49 PM — 65.35.97.56 — link — abuse?
I have one question to Grand Gator?
Why is UF so fricken scared to play UM every year?????
I have always thought Gator meat tasted like chicken!! Now I know why!!LOL
Also, What is with the JAWS? ( movie theme) For the gators? Guess Sharks look just like gators to those fine edjumacated gator Alums?
OH! And what is with the Crocodile on 2003 Media Guide?
Geesh! for someone bragging about their fine UF education so much those look pretty darn stupid!!Newsflash! Gators aren't sharks or crocodiles!!
Do they even teach Zoology at UF? ROFLMAO
But I degress!Lemming needs to be banned from all high school football recruiting. There are many recruits from other schools stating the same things over and over! The guy needs to be fired.
fsuman99 said:
posted on February 10, 2006 2:47 AM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
Grandgator,
Please take down your confederate flag, I'm sorry the war is over. If you crocs don't believe a 4.0 GPA and 1375 SAT score is not the top 1%of 1% than your ignorance is noted. Wasn't it in Canesville that you dopes dropped the dime on Willy "I didn't do it" Williams because he didn't choose your school? Yeh, top 1% of 1% my @$$. Please don't knock the 'canes for their bungled kick either, because if you dopes would have beaten those pathetic Gamecocks, you would have been invited to your championship game........instead you setted for the Outhouse bowl! Next season when I watch you guys play I will surely order a bloomin' onion!
As I said before, the war now over.........with some of your asinine posts I can see why you wear a mask!
GrandGator of the Order of the GatorNation said:
posted on February 10, 2006 8:49 AM — 204.208.180.5 — link — abuse?
Georgia Tech was garbage. How is South Carolina worse than Ga Tech? Ga Tech got bombed by Utah in their bowl game. Road games in the SEC are as tough as they get. Even Vandy was a tough win this year. That maybe the only time I ever say that. I don't see another Jay Cutler coming around. Scheduling is up to the AD's. Miami's AD is an idiot. I think there is a home and home in 2008.
FSU0897 said:
posted on February 10, 2006 10:52 PM — 12.227.149.133 — link — abuse?
Do you Gator fans remember these incidents?
Two Florida football players have found troubles away from spring practice. The State Attorney's Office issued a charge against linebacker Taurean Charles on Thursday for one count of misdemeanor battery, while wide receiver Dallas Baker has been accused of theft after allegedly taking a bicycle on campus. For Charles, a redshirt freshman, the arraignment could take place by the first week of May, State Attorney Bill Cervone said, almost two months after Charles was issued a sworn complaint. A UF student said Charles touched her against her will, the sworn complaint issued by the university police department said. Charles allegedly slammed her on the bed and onto a computer desk, picked her up over his head and threw her down on her roommate’s bed, according to the complaint. However, his roommate is faced with less serious charges. The sophomore was issued a sworn complaint from UPD as an officer stopped Baker near Ben Hill Griffin Stadium on Feb. 23. Baker said he was late for an appointment and picked up an abandoned bicycle, according to Cervone. They will issue a charge for petty theft.
What was previously reported as a good Samaritan act by Florida star Jabar Gaffney was actually a violent attack, says the mother of the victim. Mary Barlow, mother of a 15-year-old boy who police say attempted to steal the player's motor scooter, said Friday that Gaffney didn't just apprehend the boy before calling police, but beat him, causing the son a concussion, bruises on his stomach and back, a swollen head and a black eye. On Thursday, Gaffney caught Barlow's son, Justin, and a 14-year-old stealing motor scooters outside of the player's residence, Lakeside Residential Complex. He allegedly held one of the boys until police could arrive. No charges have been filed against Gaffney, but Barlow said University Police officials questioned her son over the weekend. Before police were called, Mary Barlow said her son was thrown into a nearby lake, where Gaffney attempted to drown him. She said Gaffney and another person then dragged her son out of the water and beat him. Barlow said her son's clothes were ripped off and thrown into the lake. "The guy ripped everything off of him," she said. "He said he held my son -- no, he almost killed him." Gaffney led the Gators with 1,184 yards receiving and 14 touchdowns last season but previously had his scholarship revoked over a theft incident of his own. He was accused in December 1999 of stealing $245 in cash and an $80 watch from the Florida locker room, which was being used by a high school team during a championship game. He was charged with grand theft, and signed a "deferred prosecution agreement" last April. Spurrier pulled Gaffney's scholarship but allowed him back on the team before last season, provided Gaffney pay his own way.
Florida CB Elijah Williams allegedly lied to investigators during their inquiry into a student's sexual battery complaint against him. Pleaded no contest to obstructing an officer.
Florida TE Anthony Mitchell charged with misdemeanor battery after a fight in a university dormitory.
Florida OG Ryan Kalich charged with drunk driving and leaving the scene of the arrest after colliding with a car driven by an off-duty police officer. He pleaded no contest to the first charge, received a year's probation and was required to attend alcohol education classes.
Florida safety Rod Graddy will be kicked off the team for driving a car carrying two robbery suspects fleeing a crime scene, a source close to the investigation said Tuesday.
Two members of the University of Florida football team were arrested Tuesday night on charges of aggravated battery. Steven Harris, 19, and Randolph Channing Crowder, 20, were booked into the Alachua County jail Tuesday night. The incident happened at 2 a.m. on April 13 in the parking lot of The Palace nightclub, 233 W. University Ave. Both Crowder and Harris punched and kicked Brian Assent in the head and face, according to the arrest report.
Florida linemen Mo Mitchell and Jonathan Colon were suspended from the football team for unspecified rules violations.
Florida defensive end Bobby McCray was suspended Thursday for this weekend's game against No. 4 Georgia for violating the university's class attendance policy.
Police said financial adviser Roger Darrel Jones, a former University of Florida football player in the late 1970s, had befriended the man and helped himself to $1.5 million of his money.
So the moral of the story is that UF has had its share of problems with its players...FSU has had its shares...UM has had its share. They are all major college football programs with a bunch of young kids who are put on pedestals like a bunch of gods. Stupid behavior is bound to happen. Drop the Criminoles and other comments about FSU's player's behavior. It goes both ways...
Joe said:
posted on February 12, 2006 12:54 AM — 65.35.97.56 — link — abuse?
Amen! The only difference between FSU and the other two programs is UF buries their troubles due to a strong booster network and media that keeps such things out of the front pages. UM being a private school keeps almost everything out of the press. FSU has never had such luxuries as the other two hence their manufactured and emphasized "negative perception".
Bottom line FSU is far stricter on its Student athletes than either of the other two. No NCAA major sanctions are proof of FSU's pristine compliance. Neither UM or UF can make such a claim over the last 25 years.NOTaNOLE said:
posted on February 19, 2006 1:19 PM — 68.204.158.116 — link — abuse?
Hey FSU0897, maybe while your giving history lessons about Gators criminal past you would like to brush up on a little of your own wonderful heritage. Try checking out this....
www.cracksmoker.com/NCAAF/NCAAF Florida St.htmjarrett said:
posted on February 20, 2006 3:32 PM — 71.251.104.80 — link — abuse?
no one is saying that fsu's record is totally clean. we have had our problems, mcpherson, rouse, and recently dickson. but this idiot grandgator makes all these accusations and somehow forgets that his school has had just as much trouble. just keep your mouth shut. both schools have great football programs, and both graduate some great people. also, both schools have had kids with legal trouble. if you dont believe that, i know a kid from your school that will come and shoot an assault rifle through your wall. i cant stand you talking about fsu kids and disgracing class acts like derrick brooks, warrick dunn, corey simon, brad johnson, and the list could go on. so shut up.
anyway, as for tom lemming, he is an idiot. as was stated, its obvious rolle is not a media hound, or he would have dragged this thing out forever. he made these accuastaions and then lemming scrambled like a kid to come up with some sort of defense. bottom line is he is a moron and needs to be ignored. usa today should drop him, the army bowl should drop him, heak his mom should drop him. maybe then he and grand gator could go drink kool aid together.
Joe said:
posted on February 20, 2006 4:10 PM — 65.35.97.56 — link — abuse?
Hey NOTaNole?
First, I would suggest you read with a bit more "comprehension" on FSU00897 response.
While I realize it hurts you deeply to see all those "gator skeletons" out in full view but that really wasn't his main point. His point was all Schools recruit "problem athletes". The only difference is it appears FSU is much tougher on their "discipline problems" than either UM or UF.
Speaking of UF Looks like a "watershed moment" for Meyer is unfolding! Lets see how "tough" that gator discipline is?
Taken from recent Orlando sentinal article:
"Now we get to see whether Urban Meyer truly is a tough disciplinarian or just a tough talker. Three current Florida football players and one former player -- Andre Caldwell, Reggie Lewis, Kenneth Tookes and former cornerback Dee Webb -- are being investigated by police after one of the players (Tookes) allegedly fired an assault rifle into an apartment occupied by two women.
According to the Palm Beach Post, Tookes told his father he inadvertently discharged the gun in Webb's apartment, and the bullet traveled through a wall and lodged into the wall of an adjoining apartment.
Believe what you want, but I have two questions: 1. Why are these players in the possession of assault rifles in the first place? 2. Why, as police discovered, were they riding around in Caldwell's car with loaded weapons? Maybe these knuckleheads actually believed Meyer's silly claim last season that his players are a bunch of "soldiers."
This is a moment of truth for Meyer. Does the coach take a stand and suspend the "Gainesville Gunslingers" for some games in the fall or does he pull the old "it's being handled internally" and make them run extra laps?"
I have one additional question? Why no police report on the discharge of Assault Rifles in the middle of a college town? That GPD sure is right friendly with them gator footballers!!lol
Oh and for the record I can remember not too long ago an FSU athlete Bryne Malone shooting a gun into an apartment.
The result: immediate dismissal from FSU!! Hmmm? I guess at least one school knows how to act quickly and decisively on such matters..
Hey you can read all about it on "cracksmokers" not that I would use that as a really credible listing of college "bad boys".
When that site goes into acute details of Deion Sanders fishing in a lake that was "Posted" long after he left FSU, it appears that the author is grasping a bit for any crediblity. JMOI think you would be better served going to NCAA.ORG, and see which schools have lost schollies etc because of lack of institutional control.
FSU0897 said:
posted on February 20, 2006 9:30 PM — 12.227.149.133 — link — abuse?
NOTaNOLE -
I know all about our past and current issues and I have no problem with discussing it. I am not in denial like the rest of you guys who like the other schools. The point I was making (had you read the last paragraph) was that all of us have had issues, so give the holier than thou act a rest. I assume you are a Gator fan - you guys just cannot get it through your heads that your program has not been perfect in the behavior category as well. Especially this last little incident with Webb and crew taking "Urban Warfare" to a new level. The first step to admitting you have a problem is getting over the denial...so get over it.
NOTaNOLE said:
posted on February 22, 2006 1:50 PM — 68.204.158.116 — link — abuse?
Post 66, 67, 68 I admit your responses are at the least pretty good. You three seem to show more class than just about every other FSU fan on this site combined, for that I commend you!! Not one mention of "GAYTOR" in any of your post. So I apologize for being in auto attack mode and will agree that some Gator fans seem to go a little far when attacking others. OK alot!! But thats what I love about being a Gator, the pure intensity you have about the passion for the orange and blue. You guys may also be a very passionate school, but nothing compares to UF in this state for complete and utter loyal chaos!! Not taking anything away from you guys as far as fans, just trying to defend some of our fans that sometimes get a little ahead of themselves.... Anyhow, hope ya'll have a nice off season cause were beating your arses again next year so get ready....... IT'S GREAT TO BE........
Fighting Ibis said:
posted on February 22, 2006 9:14 PM — 69.163.197.196 — link — abuse?
Hey Joe, it's funny how you talk about handling things internally. If I remember correctly FSU started their two best Linebackers last season against UM after one beat his girlfriend until the cops told him to stop & the other resisted arrest without violence, but had to be tazered? Number of games suspended for 0. Labor Day Seminole Masacre in 06! Have fun with another year of the Bowden.
Hey NOTaNOLE, UM will see you guys in 2008! Notice how UM has to go to UF first in 2008 and then the rematch is in 2013. That's the only way the Gaytors will agree to schedule UM "can you say yellow?". Don't worry every other program schedules us the same way. When the rivalry ended between UM & UF the Ol' Wooden Canoe lies in Miami and the last three head to head "Sugar Bowl, 03, 04" were all Cane W's. You guys go 9-3 this season and you're NC bound next year? UM goes 9-3 and there program is on the way out? UM is going to turn the Urban Legend into an Urban Myth in 08!
Fighting Ibis said:
posted on February 22, 2006 9:32 PM — 69.163.197.196 — link — abuse?
Hey Joe, a couple more thing's. Nice schedule next year. I guarantee you Bowden realized "after Jeff wiped the drool from his face and changed his crappy man diapers" just what trouble he's in on O-line and the entire Defense next year! You see you guys must not follow, but losing C. Lewis "another FSU loser" I count 7 O-lineman total "before signing day" on the roster and a couple of them are scout team quality period! Everyone knows maybe one O-lineman out of your new class will be ready "still shouldn't start at that" for next season! Hope no injuries happen like last year!
As for FSU's defense next year, what position don't you replace? Looks like the 2 NC's so called dynasty will be hurting for yet another year. But look on the bright side! Myron Rolle will probably start next year he's a five star, but so was Cromartie correct.
Rock the Swamp said:
posted on February 23, 2006 6:31 PM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?
How in the **** are u FSU criminoles still talking? Didnt u watch the game earlier this year. We SMOKED yall. You sorry fools couldnt even score a touchdown until the 4th quarter. Yet you still come on this blog and claim that you are better than us. As for u miami fans, you beat us two years ago. That is the only thing you got on us. It doesnt matter what you used to be, all that matters is now. We play u in a couple years, talk then. You got beat by a team that got smoked in the EMERALD BOWL. PATHETIC. GO GATORS!!!!!!!!
RolleFan said:
posted on February 24, 2006 1:10 PM — 160.93.103.224 — link — abuse?
I live in New Jersey and have been following Myron Rolle for a while now. Let me just tell you FSU fans that you guys have a real special kid coming into your program. I see a lot of criticism for Rolle's decision to choose FSU rather than other institutions with better academic standings. These criticisms are really unfair and are unwarranted. first of all Myron is coming into FSU with something like 60 AP credits...For those of you who don't understand how AP credits there is no faking them. You have to score a 4 or 5 on the exams in order to get them, which is very difficult to do. Myron has done this and has put himslef in a position to graduate in less than 2 years. It is true that not all schools accept all of the AP credits, and FSU was willing to do that which makes FSU a mroe attractive academic option.
Also, Myron graduated high school early. He graduated in the winter and wanted to start college in the spring so that he could get a jump on training for next season by working out weith the team in sping drills. FSU was willing to let him do this. Again this is a decision that is based both on academics and athletics making FSU a more attractive option.
Finally, as most of you probably know when Myron visited FSU the school gave him a complete tour of the Medical School facilities. Also, the medical students(thats right the medical students!) gave Myron a personal presentation of the medical school. This is pretty gaudy and impressive recruiting on the part of FSU. How many undergraduate students get an opportunity to tour a medical school? This type of recruting appealed directly to the academic portion of the recruting process. Let's not kid each other, we all know that being a standout player at FSU enhances Myron's chances of getting into Florida State's Medical School.
Also, FSU has a former track and field star who was named a Rhodes Scholar. I forget his name, but I know that the idea of competing to become a Rhodes Scholar was mentioned to Myron by FSU as a potential recruting tool. Since the school altready has an athlete that has done this, it makes FSU even more appealling.
We all know that the primary reason for Myron going to FSU was the chance to play at a great football program against great competition. However, these facts show that Myron did not abandon his academic goals just to play football for FSU.
Joe said:
posted on February 25, 2006 6:04 AM — 65.35.97.56 — link — abuse?
Well fighting Ibis while I can usually respect Miami's players accomplishments, I can't until recently respect how UM monitors and runs their program. It appears the UM administration is finally trying to stop the nonsense by firing the coaches and raising their entrance standards.
Good for them! Finally, they may win something honestly without looking the other way like they did with Sapp's drug tests and double Academic fraud by Andre Johnson.You want to compare the discipline on AJ and Sims as being unsuitable? I suggest you review those "horrible"? accusations made against AJ and Sims and the reality of the situation. With a resident "felon" on Miami's roster I think I would just stay away from the stone throwing about Student athlete misconduct. As to AJ wasn't he immediately sent home for essentially a "curfew violation"? As to the "rape charge"? it has been 3 months why has no charge been filed?? Must be a lot of paperwork still to do!
As to FSU vs UM one thing 10-7!! UM knows all about winning those close ones!! LOL Hasn't that been UM's signature for about 10 of their wins over FSU in the last 20 years or so? Must sting a bit to finally lose one of those close ones!! Guess Miami didn't have the heart in that one. Just like the lack of heart in the LSU game.
As to the schedule blame that on Miami finally joining a "REAL CONFERENCE". Speaking of the ACC what happened to the ALL CANES CONFERENCE? Still looking for one of those ACC football championships I see.
How long did it take FSU to lose its first game in the ACC? let alone first home game to the ACC?As to MNC's those are nice but they are just "opinions" and not real championships. If they were UM would have NCAA national championship trophies on display instead of some Sears or Radio Shack trophy.
I Give UM credit though they have won the "beauty contest" quite a few times. Of course they are all still "mythical" in my opinion. Until there is a real playoff they will remain that way.
Poor old FSU still accomplished another first!!!....
"THE FIRST OFFICIAL ACC CHANPIONSHIP GAME WINNER". NO VOTE NEEDED!!!
What championship did Miami win? Nice game against LSU!!! LOLThe only thing I can agree with you is UF is totally chicken to play UM regularly like they did at one time. They don't have the guts to play UM and FSU every year. That gator meat will always taste like chicken.
NOTaNOLE said:
posted on February 26, 2006 3:16 PM — 68.204.158.116 — link — abuse?
Fighting Ibis, if you knew anything about scheduling and the fact we have a mandatory 6 game home deal we have to follow then you would understand that we HAVE to play you pansies in Gainsville. But does it really matter, we have consistantly outnumberd your fans even when we play in Miami. That's why we quit playing you fools down there, you wont be making all your revenue from our fan base anymore. We also tried to get you pusses to play us in Tampa on a regular basis but YOU said no. You should have joined the SEC if you wanted to play real football, but you chose the easy way out again so preach that shit to some of your fly by night fair weather fans down there, the rest of us know better. And I surely wouldn't think playing Miami would do much to help our schedule strength, but what would we do for yours??? Go use somebody else!!
Joe said:
posted on February 27, 2006 8:17 AM — 65.35.97.56 — link — abuse?
NOTaNOLE says:
posted on February 26, 2006 03:16 PM — link
"Fighting Ibis, if you knew anything about scheduling and the fact we have a mandatory 6 game home deal we have to follow then you would understand that we HAVE to play you pansies in Gainsville. But does it really matter, we have consistantly outnumberd your fans even when we play in Miami. That's why we quit playing you fools down there, you wont be making all your revenue from our fan base anymore. We also tried to get you pusses to play us in Tampa on a regular basis but YOU said no. You should have joined the SEC if you wanted to play real football, but you chose the easy way out again so preach that shit to some of your fly by night fair weather fans down there, the rest of us know better. And I surely wouldn't think playing Miami would do much to help our schedule strength, but what would we do for yours??? Go use somebody else!!
Oh Please!! Mandatory 6 home games?? Try 6 1/2 if you count the split gate with GA in Jax every year. However, now that you have a 12 game schedule available even the lame 6 home game excuse doesn't fly... Why not try "the honest answer" for a change? There is only one real reason UF doesn't play UM every year. They are afraid they would suffer another loss and "the gator ego" just can't handle the possiblity of losing to both FSU and UM in any given year.Now with 12 games, UF can schedule an additional patsie so they can have 3 guaranteed wins. Hey if KSU can do it every year why can't the gators? Of course you will excuse those CFB fans like myself that respect those that aren't constantly ducking rivals to avoid losses.
FSU and Miami have always looked for good opponents while UF..... LOL When was the last time other than FSU that UF played a tough OC away from home? Oh thats right! Syracuse in 1991. What was the result of that game??
Drop the excuses! gator fans! Some have the courage to play the best while others....... make excuses why they can't... ROFLMAO
NOTaNOLE said:
posted on February 27, 2006 1:24 PM — 68.204.158.116 — link — abuse?
Hey Joe, are you really gonna bring up the word "Patsie" to describe any of our opponents when your schedule is consisting of Fl. A&M, Loisville, Houston, North Carolina, Fl. International, Duke, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Virginia, and the the great Boston Coll. Suicide is the only hope for you. Just promise not to take any intelligent people along with you when you go. You should be slapped.....
NOTaNOLE said:
posted on February 27, 2006 2:21 PM — 68.204.158.116 — link — abuse?
Joe, after contemplating my last post I feel I may have been a bit harsh. I by no means wish you to take your own life and would truly regret offending anyone who may have dealt with such a loss like that themselves, so for that I apologize. But as for the level of competition each of these two teams face, you have got to be kidding yourself. As I said before, Miami by no means could really do anything to improve our schedule strength with the calibur of teams we already play. You can just as easily make the argument that Miami is afraid to schedule USC,TEXAS,OHIO St.,Mich, Nebraska,etc. etc. to play because there too tough. It's because if you want to have a chance to play for a BCS Championship, you try to meet those possiable opponents at the championship. Not every week along the way, who could do that? Who does do that? No one!!! Your probably a Fag State fan by the looks of some of your post and want to use the fact that since you play 2 great teams a year, Miami and UF that your soooo incrediably brave. Well your not! You play in a basketball conference and even suck at that. So don't take my previous advice for I'm sure SOMEONE would miss ya, Maybe... But your still a useless Semenhole with the only hope in life being that people will stop laughing at you when you ask them if they want fries with that!!!!
Joe said:
posted on February 27, 2006 4:41 PM — 65.35.221.95 — link — abuse?
NotaNole?
So the reason UF doesn't play UM is because it would hurt their strength of schedule??
Oh Please don't insult everyone's intelligence with such drivel!
Answer these three questions?1. When was the last time UF even beat UM in football?
2. What is the the current winning streak of UM over UF?
3. What is the series record since 1980 (25 years) when the gators actually were playing the canes?
Lets see if a gator fan is capable of answering any question honestly??
"Name-calling" sure doesn't make for a convincing counterpoint????
But if it is all you have....LOL
You may continue with the "drivel of a loser" that makes up reasons of why to avoid a tough state rival.
Strength of schedule would go down???
NOW THAT IS FUNNY!!When does UF again play a tough OC opponent away from home other than FSU?
Gators and blowhards! a perfect match!!FSUGrad said:
posted on March 3, 2006 6:05 PM — 65.33.71.8 — link — abuse?
Oh please. You all sit back and thump your chest about this school or that. You trash talk the other schools, when most of you haven't even attend them. I really wish they would do away with college sports period and just provide an education. Why not spend your energy worrying about the state of our county or terrorism or something wothwhile. Instead of acting like immature kids.
FSU0897 said:
posted on March 5, 2006 9:11 PM — 12.227.149.133 — link — abuse?
We might, but last time I checked this was a blog about college sports - not exactly the place to discuss our country or terrorism. Do you have a hobby? This is most of ours. You don't have to read the posts if this is not your thing...
just for your info said:
posted on April 1, 2006 2:11 PM — 68.39.5.67 — link — abuse?
Myron Rolle is not as great as everyone thinks he is. No, he is not 18. In fact, he is currently completeing his 6th year of high school. Yes, I said SIXTH. So that makes him...almost 20? I would hope a young man who was almost 20 years old and repeated both his Sophmore AND Junior years when transferring to his 2nd and 3rd schools of his high school career, would be capable of being articulate. If you really want to know about him...I'm sure his personal website will shed some light on the situation. http://www.myronrolle.net/
FSU0897 said:
posted on April 2, 2006 10:32 AM — 12.227.149.133 — link — abuse?
Is this what you are talking about? I pulled this off his website. He looks like a freaking choir boy to me. I missed the part about repeating grades. How can a kid with a 4.0 GPA chronically repeat grades? It has been my experience people who repeat grades typically do not get a 4.0 the second time around. They get bad grades for lack of effort and not being the sharpest knife in the drawer. Maybe I am a little biased as he is on FSU's team, but I am having a hard time swallowing this one...
While attending The Peddie School, Myron excelled in the classroom. He held a 4.0 GPA (90% average or higher) earning him High Honors for each of his six semesters. During Freshman year, Myron was Class President, Tour Guide, Reporter for The Peddie News, Habitat for Humanity member and the lead role as Tevye in the Freshman Musical "Fiddler on the Roof". At the beginning of his Sophomore year, Myron received the Swetland Award for the Freshman that contributed most to the school and the Max E. Zisson Scholarship Award for excellence in acadmics and citizenship. Myron continued to be a member of Habitat for Humanity (He has worked a total of 82 hours in Crawfordville, FL and Circleville, WV building houses), but he became the Sports Editor for The Peddie News and Head Tour Guide. Myron was invited to the National Youth Leadership Forum on Medicine in New Orleans, LA due to his commitment to academic excellence. Myron will spend his Junior year at The Hun School of Princeton.Myron’s highlights for the School Year 2004 – 2005 at The Hun School of Princeton:
Received Highest Honors (over a 90 Grade Point Average).
He was apart of the Red Shield Society (tour guide) and The Mall (school newspaper). Sat for three AP exams in Biology, BC Calculus and Spanish Language.
Took the May, 2005 new version of the SAT’s in which he scored a 1970 – equivalent to a 1340 on the old version.
At the end of the school year, Myron received the Scholar-Athlete Award given by The Hun School of Princeton for the student that demonstrates excellence in the classroom as well as in the athletic arena.Guckafator said:
posted on April 25, 2006 4:33 PM — 4.235.81.24 — link — abuse?
Hmmmm,...I seem to remember FSU Going 11-0 in 1979,...and UF Going 0-11 in 1979. Then the Gators Hire Charlie Pell,...and Recuit the Best Team Money can Buy,....Then and Only then,...Did Florida past FSU in recruiting.... Here is a Question for ya Gators,.... What Year does the SEC "NOT" Recognise a champion, and WHY?Yeah,...when you got Caught, and Put on Probation,...Funny how FSU resumed with all of those awesome recruiting classes, with no cheating Gators in the way....
You had to pay recruits to come to UF,....to stop your biggest rival from getting them.... that says alot right there....
The University of "HELL YES WE CHEAT"...Must be proud...
NDAFArly said:
posted on August 22, 2006 5:51 PM — 74.132.144.25 — link — abuse?
NORTHNOLE
"Notre Dame does not have a Medical School"
Anyone who is knows anything about medical school knows that you don't go to the same undergrad as med school!!!!!!!!
You go to a prestigious undergrad (like NOtre Dame), and you graduate and apply to every med school you want. After I finished my undergrad and military service commitment, I applied and started at the Indiana School of Medicine. I would NEVER do my undergrad there, then try to get in the med school there. Undergrad doesn't equal post-grad!!! He would have a lot better chance of becoming a successful Doctor by attending Notre Dame, then applying to FSU med school!!!
Notre Dame Fan 444 said:
posted on January 31, 2006 7:38 AM — 199.208.239.140 — link — abuse?I call BS on this one. Myron Rolle wanted to attend ND on the condition that he could enroll early. However, admissions denied his request based on the fact he was not far enough ahead in his classroom studies to merit early admission, so he scrathed ND off the radar screen along time along. Besides once he committed to F$U, ND was done with the recruitment of him. As for Lemming and the Mel Kiper's of the world these guys are totally full of it.