December 2, 2007
Does Georgia deserve a shot at the BCS title?
Regardless of where you stand on the future of the BCS and/or playoffs, I'm looking for your insight on the current plight of the Georgia Bulldogs.
After last week's BCS standings, Georgia sits at #4 in the rankings. But after last night's games, where should the Bulldogs be ranked? Let's examine....
#1 Missouri lost to # Oklahoma, dropping them out of the BCS Championship Game. Meanwhile, #2 West Virginia lost to Pitt, dropping them out of the title game.
By virtue of luck, fate and happen-stance, it's widely accepted that the champions of the Big 10 -- the Ohio State Buckeyes -- will move up from BCS #3 to BCS #1. By every simulation that I've seen over the past three days, OSU will play for the national championship.
But where does Georgia belong? Does #4 deserve to move up to #2 and play for the title by virtue of the losses ahead of them?
The Bulldogs -- who may very well be playing the best football in the country today -- have a 10-2 record, with losses to South Carolina (by 4 points in week 2) and to Tennessee (where they got wood-shedded). UGA holds key wins over Florida (42-30), Auburn (45-20), and Kentucky (24-13).
they didn't even win the SEC East.
So, do you feel a team that didn't win its conference (and didn't even win its division) deserves to play for the National Championship?
I don't think Georgia should play for the National Championship. I can't justify a team finishing no better than third in their conference jumping their division champion and their conference champion to play for the BCS title. It might be another matter if Georgia had beaten the teams ahead of them (Tenn & LSU) yet fallen to a non-con, but... the conference hierarchy just throws me off on this one.
And I rather suspect that some of the voters feel that way to and will jump Georgia on their ballots. (I know the next question... who? I'll get to that.) With as much animous as the writers have felt in recent years -- see also the split USC/LSU championship -- I really don't expect that the Bulldogs will even sniff the title game.
So who should play for the BCS Title?
I'm OK with Ohio State getting their shot. The Buckeyes took care of business, won their conference's championship (despite it's crazy formula) and have shown that they are a top team. I don't know if they are the top team, but sometimes the top team gets knocked out of the race, right playoff fans?
The other side of that pairing should be the next highest ranked champion.
While I personally believe that Oklahoma is absolutely the best team in the country, I don't think the Huskers will get their chance. Yes, they beat the #1 team.... twice... but I think there is too much ground for the Sooners to make up. OU lost on the road to Colorado (27-24) on a last second field goal and got beat by seven by Texas Tech in a game where their starting QB went down with a concussion. (And I think if he hadn't gotten KO'd, we wouldn't even be having this conversation because the Sooners would be the concensus #2 in the country.)
In this instance, I suspect it will be LSU. Despite the two-losses, the Tigers are a dominant team. The two three-overtimes losses aren't excused by any means, but LSU showed they can rally by knocking off top-15 Tennessee to win the SEC.
I think you can make a perfectly good case for the ACC Champion, too. Virginia Tech is right there in the BCS standings, but I think some of the voters are going to have a hard time putting them ahead of LSU. Not only did the Hokies lose to the Tigers, but VaTech's road to the BCS was not as difficult as LSU's. So... given that consideration, I think the Hokies end up at #3 or #4.
And what about Hawaii -- they're undefeated (after pulling off a come from behind win over dog UDub)... don't they deserve a shot? In a word, NO. The best team that UH beat all year was Washington, who has played like they don't deserve to be in the Pac 10. Sorry, Hawaii, but your schedule sucks and you have struggled against several mid-to-low level non-BCS opponents. You may get a BCS game, but you don't deserve the title game.
For what it's worth (and it's worth a lot because he's never far off), BCSGuru says it's Ohio State - LSU for the BCS Championship.
Comments:
Autigerman said:
posted on December 2, 2007 9:21 AM — 68.109.98.15 — link — abuse?
Once again college football shows its ugly bias face.
If you think a team that doesnt win its conference championship should not be in the championship game then make it a rule.As the rules stand right now Georgia is eiligible and from what ive seen is certainly one of, if not the best team in the country.
But for anyone to say they wouldnt vote on them based on the fact they didnt win there conference is crazy. They lost there conference based on a tie breaker anyway.
And anyone close to SEC football would admit they are a much better team then Tennessee at this point and probably better then LSU.
What about the teams with nt conference championship game?
My whole point is this several years ago Oklahoma went and didnt win there conference. The BCS had a chance to change the rules and chose not to. So dont penalize a team that isnt breaking the rules.
My predictition is LSU will be there based on fan following and BCS bias.
Jon said:
posted on December 2, 2007 9:32 AM — 68.84.19.20 — link — abuse?
The way I look at it is, if Georgia plays LSU right now, who would vegas favor?
Answer: Georgia
They may not deserve to because of what happened earlier in the season, but as of late, they are whipping ass.
/Still convinced Florida would beat the hell out of any team in the country 75% to 99% of the time.
Tronald said:
posted on December 2, 2007 9:37 AM — 97.89.18.223 — link — abuse?
Autigerman stole my thunder.....
Precedent has already been set. OK went to the Title game a few years ago without winning their conference.
OSU and GA were 3 and 4 in the rankings. 1 and 2 lost. This is the biggest no branier in this rather flawed system.
hrposon said:
posted on December 2, 2007 10:03 AM — 98.200.123.115 — link — abuse?
If LSU gets the bid based on quality of schedule, then tOSU shouldn't go because of their anemic schedule. Oklahoma or USC would be would be the correct selection.
If tOSU gets the nod, then Hawaii would be the correct selection.
posted on December 2, 2007 10:27 AM — 63.168.219.206 — link — abuse?Ben Prather
said:
I don't believe anyone, including Ohio State has earned a spot in the BCS Championship.
The question is which undeserving team should we give a chance to play for the mythical title.
Georgia, Kansas, VT, and LSU are virtually tied in last weeks BCS. Teams with a week off tend to lag behind teams that win, especially if they win over a ranked team.
I would not be suprised to see VT and LSU leap over Georgia. With VT's decisive win over LSU earlier this year I believe VT is the most logical choice of a #2 in the BCS standings this week.
Their win over BC was more convincing than LSU's win over Tennessee, BC is higher ranked than Tennessee and VT was higher than LSU last week.
Projected BCS standings this week:
1) Ohio State
2) VT
3) LSU
4) Georgia
5) Oklahoma
6) USC
7) Kansas
8) Hawaii
9) Missouri
10) Florida16) BYU
Mitch F said:
posted on December 2, 2007 10:31 AM — 67.72.98.116 — link — abuse?
I think it would be stupid for LSU to jump UGA when both of their losses came from unranked teams. UGA is #4 for a reason. They are one of the top two teams in the country. There is no rule that you have to win your conference to go to play for the national title; therefore, Ohio State and UGA.
Autigerman said:
posted on December 2, 2007 10:33 AM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
Well if what everyone is saying about a team that doesnt win its conference shouldnt go then this isnt as hard to figure as it seems.
There are only 5 conferences. Everyone knows the BCS is never going to pick a an at large unless its ND and this year they were horrible. So you only have 5 teams to choose from, the conferences champs right?
Even though West Virginia won there conference they were eliminated last night by there loss....still with me.
So that leaves only four teams. OK.LSU OSU USC. Now regardless of who is ranked where because that dosent work anyway as eveidence by how many times they got it wrong this year. Pick the 2 best out of these 4 and let them play. My pick from these 4 would be OK vs USC. Based on what I saw last night with OK distroying the # 1 team in the country OK should be #1 and USC #2.
LSU didnt look that good and Virginia tech looked good but not as good as USC or Oklahoma.
Ohio state hasnt played in so long i forgot how they looked....lol.
Next year ill bet you see a plus one where these 4 teams would have played with the winners playing one more game. Only problem is there are 5 bcs conferences and only 4 teams in that sytem so it wont work either.And when ND gets back up to speed youll have six team to contend with.But as of today I still believe Georgia is playing the best ball of anyone.
Mitch F said:
posted on December 2, 2007 10:35 AM — 68.210.228.183 — link — abuse?
I think it would be stupid for LSU to jump UGA when both of their losses came from unranked teams. UGA is #4 for a reason. They are one of the top two teams in the country. There is no rule that you have to win your conference to go to play for the national title; therefore, UGA beats Ohio State for the national championship.
BigWarEagle said:
posted on December 2, 2007 10:38 AM — 68.209.249.179 — link — abuse?
Post #9
"I would not be suprised to see VT and LSU leap over Georgia. With VT's decisive win over LSU earlier this year I believe VT is the most logical choice of a #2 in the BCS standings this week." -Ben Prather
Check the records Prather, LSU crushed VT by over 40 points - they will never jump LSU nor should they.
BigWarEagle said:
posted on December 2, 2007 10:44 AM — 68.209.249.179 — link — abuse?
Let Georgia and LSU play each other for the NC. They are both more deserving than the Luckeyes.
If we are going to reward teams for taking care of business against weak schedules then it should be Hawaii & OSU.
If we are looking for the best teams then it's LSU, GA, Oklahoma or USC.If we are going by who was next in line, then it's OSU and Georgia.
Prediction: OSU falls hard to whoever they play.
Redoubt said:
posted on December 2, 2007 10:49 AM — 66.0.92.135 — link — abuse?
The SEC Championship was not created for the pollsters, sports pundits or desk apes. It was installed to determine the winner of the Southeastern Conference. That’s the long and short of what it means too.
And in the case of the 2007 season, Tennessee made it to Atlanta with a worse overall record than UGA because that ‘other loss’ didn’t count towards the SEC record. That’s right… Tennessee had a worse OVERALL record than Georgia.
So… why should the SEC record count against the Dawgs now, going to the BCS NC game?
TigerRag said:
posted on December 2, 2007 11:10 AM — 68.105.158.229 — link — abuse?
I will not argue about how Georgia is playing the best football right now, so is USC. But why even have conference trophies if they don’t mean anything. The real argument is why the BCS has not put into the formula that you have to win your conference. Everyone wants a playoff, but doesn’t want to loose the regular season. Solution, make it so that every conference champion gets into a playoff. The 2 top rated teams gets a bye and the other four play the first round.
FSU_Fan said:
posted on December 2, 2007 11:49 AM — 74.175.68.235 — link — abuse?
I think VT should go, but that is my ACC Bias. Georgia should not, Oklahoma should not have in 2003. If you can't win your conference then you do not go to the championship game. Simple.
That being said I think Georgia is playing some good football right now and I would like to see them go to the championship game because I am generally a fan. That doesn't mean they should, I can seperate my desires from reality, something a few people here seem to be having difficulty doing.
I would put Georgia into a playoff scenario if there was one though and suspect they could possibly win.
Unfortunatly it isn't up to me, or fortunatly, I am just ec-freakin-static we won't be sending any teams from the Big-Least, especially WVU. I was jumping for joy at the end of that bizzare game. Good for college football and bad for the BCS it's the best of both worlds.
GT Chunk said:
posted on December 2, 2007 11:54 AM — 65.90.166.114 — link — abuse?
The one thing that everyone is overlooking including all the brilliant sports writers out there in the world is this simple fact. If this was any week of the regular season and 1 and 2 lose with 3 and 4 not playing 3 and 4 would still move up to 1 and 2. Is this the best system maybe not but its the one that we have been dealing with since the creation of the embarassement that is the BCS. Do I like Georgia Hell no do they deserve to play for the national title yes they are in the right place at the right time like it or not. WHAT ABOUT 2001 AND 2003 WHEN NON CONFERENCE CHAMPS NEBRASKA AND OKLAHOMA PLAYED FOR THE TITLE?????????????
posted on December 2, 2007 12:03 PM — link — abuse? said:
Some outstanding commentary....
Listen up, my allergic-to-critical-thinking-ESPN-boneheads: It has nothing to do with the system. It has everything to do with nos. 1 and 2 going down in back-to-back weeks. Again:
The fact that the teams ranked 1 and 2 lost two weeks in a row is not the BCS’s fault.
If college football had a playoff, and the top two seeds went down, would you hear people complaining that the playoff system “needed to be fixed?” Of course not. So why is it the BCS’s fault when LSU, Kansas, Missouri, and West Virginia all lose within a span of eight days?
SilverBulletD
posted on December 2, 2007 12:06 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
I agree with everyone; I think it should be LSU and Georgia in the NC. Ohio State has the same team they had last year, with the same mentality. If you put them in the National Championship they are going to give us a boring game. They shouldn't even play in D-I football. With the schedule they had they should be D-II at best with the rest of the Big 10. If they all played in the all mighty SEC none of them would be going to bowl games. Why are we even talking about it?
USC may be more deserving than Georgia or LSU though. They had a really hard schedule and those Pac 10 teams really beat up on each other. USC really had to fight a 6-6 UCLA team just to make sure they won the Pac10. How does a team that ends up 6-6 even have a shot at their conference? USC played a really dominant schedule:
Team Result Final Record
Idaho W 38-10 1-11
#14 Nebraska W 49-31 5-7
Wash St W 47-14 5-7
Washington W 27-24 4-9
Stanford L 24-23 4-8
Arizona W 20-13 5-7
N Dame W 38-0 3-9
#5 Oregon L 24-17 8-4
Oregon St W 24-3 8-4
#24 California W 24-17 6-6
#6 Arizona St W 44-24 10-2
UCLA W 24-7 6-6
Combined 65-80What about Oklahoma in this talk or VaTech?
Oklahoma
N Texas W 79-10 2-10
Miami W 51-13 5-7
Utah St W 54-3 2-10
Tulsa W 62-21 9-4
Colorado L 27-24 6-6
#19 Texas W 28-21 9-3
#11 Missouri W 41-31 11-2
Iowa St W 17-7 3-9
Texas A&M W 42-14 7-5
Baylor W 52-21 3-9
Texas Tech L 34-27 8-4
Oklahoma St W 49-17 6-6
#1 Missouri W 38-17
Combined 71-75VaTech
E Carolina W 17-7 7-5
#2 LSU L 48-7 11-2
Ohio W 28-7 6-6
W & Mary W 44-3 4-7
UNC W 17-10 4-8
#22 Clemson W 41-23 9-3
Duke W 43-14 1-11
#2 BC L 14-10 10-3
Ga Tech W 27-3 7-5
Florida St W 40-21 7-5
Miami W 44-14 5-7
#16 Virginia W 33-21 9-3
#11 BC W 30-16
Combined 80-65And just for the heck of it, Ohio State. Even though we already know they don't deserve it.
YSU W 38-6 7-4
Akron W 20-2 4-8
Washington W 33-14 4-9
N'western W 58-7 6-6
Minnesota W 30-7 1-11
#23 Purdue W 23-7 7-5
Kent St W 48-3 3-9
Mich St W 24-17 7-5
#25 Penn State W 37-17 8-4
#21 Wisconsin W 38-17 9-3
Illinois L 28-21 9-3
#21 Michigan W 14-3 8-4
Combined 73-71That's interesting, (not including the SEC, because they are the best) the only two other teams, out of the four, in discussion for the National Championship that played a winning record schedule is VaTech and Ohio State.
Dog Fan said:
posted on December 2, 2007 12:10 PM — 69.148.180.105 — link — abuse?
1. As of last week the Harris and Coaches voters rated Georgia ahead of both LSU and Tenn despite the fact that Georgia had not earned a spot in the conf championship. LSU was widely favored to beat TENN and the Coaches still rated them 3 spots behind Georgia - They beat Tenn as expected so what's changed? Why rate them ahead now?
2. By discarding all teams that didn't win their conference you would significantly change the system. You could do away with the polls until today and rate only the conference champs. Good idea potentially but that's not the system we have. We have a system based on personal rankings and voting. The voters as of last week were of the opinion that Georgia was better than KU, LSU, VA TECH, OU. If you think a voter should place LSU ahead of Georgia today based on a dominating performance over Tennessee then I could see that, but not because they won a game they were expected to win.
3. Question - How can a team win the NC without winning it's conference? Two words - March Madness. March madness doesn't give a rip about conference championships, only about which teams play well down the stretch. Even our favorite Big 10 friend Kirk Herbstreit has said that Georgia is playing better than anybody right now and deserve their shot.
4. The fact is the system is screwed up. Don't screw it up more by changing the rules at the 11th hour to get a match up that you think would be good. Keep consistent with what we've done all year. If you change it now, we have no system at all. What we would have is a system where we play all the games, polls don’t matter, and at the end of the year, voters decide who should play in the BCS game - that would drive everybody insane (not just Georgia fans).
Dog Fan said:
posted on December 2, 2007 12:11 PM — 69.148.180.105 — link — abuse?
1. As of last week the Harris and Coaches voters rated Georgia ahead of both LSU and Tenn despite the fact that Georgia had not earned a spot in the conf championship. LSU was widely favored to beat TENN and the Coaches still rated them 3 spots behind Georgia - They beat Tenn as expected so what's changed? Why rate them ahead now?
2. By discarding all teams that didn't win their conference you would significantly change the system. You could do away with the polls until today and rate only the conference champs. Good idea potentially but that's not the system we have. We have a system based on personal rankings and voting. The voters as of last week were of the opinion that Georgia was better than KU, LSU, VA TECH, OU. If you think a voter should place LSU ahead of Georgia today based on a dominating performance over Tennessee then I could see that, but not because they won a game they were expected to win.
3. Question - How can a team win the NC without winning it's conference? Two words - March Madness. March madness doesn't give a rip about conference championships, only about which teams play well down the stretch. Even our favorite Big 10 friend Kirk Herbstreit has said that Georgia is playing better than anybody right now and deserve their shot.
4. The fact is the system is screwed up. Don't screw it up more by changing the rules at the 11th hour to get a match up that you think would be good. Keep consistent with what we've done all year. If you change it now, we have no system at all. What we would have is a system where we play all the games, polls don’t matter, and at the end of the year, voters decide who should play in the BCS game - that would drive everybody insane (not just Georgia fans).
GT Chunk said:
posted on December 2, 2007 12:21 PM — 65.90.166.114 — link — abuse?
Um Donahue your wrong wrong wrong thats all I can say is your wrong wrong wrong. On 12/1/2001 Colorado beat texas 39-37 to win the Big 12 oh and on 12/6/2003 Kansas St beats Oklahoma 35-7 so as soon as you check your stats I will begin to reply and my arguement for Georgia still stands its one that I dont think is fair but none the less it still stands
VTBobb said:
posted on December 2, 2007 12:38 PM — 70.17.10.81 — link — abuse?
Dog Fan, maybe you were watching somethng else. I saw Herbie say he couldn't see putting Georgia in when they didn't even win their own conference. He said LSU deserved it.
As for my vote, surprise, surprise, I think VT has a good argument. Tech is the only team that is within reach that lost to 2 RANKED teams. LSU did spank them, so they get a head to head nod, but that was early in the season, and Tech's a better team now. BUT, I couldn't argue much that LSU should get the nod, based on a defacto (any lawyers out there, did I use that correctly?) head-to-head tie breaker.
Autigerman said:
posted on December 2, 2007 12:40 PM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
Actually i screwed up in post 12 there are 6 BCS conferences i failed to mention VT. However since they got rocked early by LSU I forgot about them.Still only six teams then to consider forget everyone else if you use the argument of no team unless conference champ gets in.
So by process of elimination we can get rid of VT (loss to LSU) and WV loss last night.Hawaii is left out because of strenght of schedule but gets Heisman nod because he deserves it.
That once again leaves 4 LSU OSU OK USC.
Now from these 4 and ONLY these 4 who are the best. They all have tremendous Fan bases so throw that out to. I for one would like to see these 4 teams play each other in some format or another.But the idiot BCS will have LSU and Ohio state play and because they are such pansies we wont see Oklahoma play USC because that would be too much controversy if Ohio State loses.
It might be a split championship and we couldnt have that so we will let Ok. play Hawaii and USC play someone else maybe VT or even Georgia.That way even if USC beats VT and LSU beats Ohio State they can still give it to LSU because they also beat VT.
Excuse me i need to throw up.
BigWarEagle said:
posted on December 2, 2007 12:44 PM — 68.209.249.179 — link — abuse?
Talk about your mythical national championship! It is going to be hard to respect the validity of the National Champion this year no matter who it is. It is hard to see that we are any better off now than we were before the BCS started.
But if we had a playoff, would we be debating just as much about the final 8 as we are debating now about the final 2?
Would Georgia be left out of that scenario too because they did not win their conference even though they are clearly one of the best 8 teams in the country?
TE
posted on December 2, 2007 12:47 PM — 70.180.43.182 — link — abuse? said:
Well, guys...All I'm going to say is this...
I've read that for 3 1/2 quarters, LSU played terrible football...
Well, that sure shocked me when I realized LSU had 271 yards of total offense in the first half, and 460+ against Tennessee for the game...
I was shocked to realize that Ryan Perrilloux easily audibled 60% of the time at the line, as a backup, with what, 8 days of preparation time? He threw for 240+ yards, won the MVP of the game, and did this all on about a week's preparation?
We were missing our starting quarterback. We lost our starting wide receiver. Our best defensive lineman has a bad back, a bad knee, and is not playing well. Our starting linebacker (Beckwith) had his knee scoped three weeks ago. Steltz is hurting with a hamstring injury. Our starting quarterback for this game (our backup, remember) cut his finger on his throwing hand in the 2nd half...
Yet, we won our conference championship game.
Somehow. Someway. With all those injuries. Playing with backups at key points in time. We still won.
Did West Virginia do well with its backup last night? You all saw those terrible WR holding calls last night...But, still...WV couldn't do a damn thing with its backup quarterback out.
Kansas...I'm sorry, guys, but Kansas has not beaten a team this year that received a single vote in the last coaches/AP Polls...
OU? Can't say anything bad about that team. I think that if we were healthy-which we will be in January-it'd be an amazing game.
UGA? If they get in, then I can't blame the system. If we get in, I can't blame the system. No matter which team sits home, they can honestly say that while they have a beef with the system, they also had their opportunities to grab that spot in the game by the balls. UGA could've pulled games out earlier in the year, like against USC. LSU's Colt David could've connected on that 57 yarder against Kentucky, or stopped Arkansas in the first overtime on 4th & 10, and then neither of these teams would be trying to justify their appearance in 'Nawlins.
Bottom line, for anyone to demean this team and the amount of distractions its dealt with in the last week is just pure ignorance. We dealt with the circus atmosphere of the Miles to Michigan, the Pelini to Nebraska, and the loss of a shot at a national title (We thought), not to mention the sting of a loss in our last home game for those seniors.
No one in America has dealt with more than what LSU has. No one has played more ranked teams. No one has dealt with more distractions. No one has faced more heavyweight prize fight haymaker shots.
No one in America, gents...No one. We're 11-2, we won the toughest conference in America with our backup quarterback...Name me on team in America that can tout the accomplishments under the conditions this team has scaled the mountains of, time after time...
GT Chunk said:
posted on December 2, 2007 12:47 PM — 65.90.166.114 — link — abuse?
As I have stated earlier the precedent has already been set for a non Conference champion to play for the BCS title game 2001, 2003 seasons this is something that we have to swallow again because its already been shoved down our throats once I got to Georgia Tech I grew up an Auburn fan I hate Georgia but tell me why they dont deserve their shot besides that they didnt win their conference because history shows that to be an invalid point
GT Chunk said:
posted on December 2, 2007 12:47 PM — 65.90.166.114 — link — abuse?
As I have stated earlier the precedent has already been set for a non Conference champion to play for the BCS title game 2001, 2003 seasons this is something that we have to swallow again because its already been shoved down our throats once I go to Georgia Tech I grew up an Auburn fan I hate Georgia but tell me why they dont deserve their shot besides that they didnt win their conference because history shows that to be an invalid point
VTBobb said:
posted on December 2, 2007 12:53 PM — 70.17.10.81 — link — abuse?
TE, and if Tech had recovered that onsides kick against BC, you wouldn't be trying to justify LSU getting in...
If we want to play whose LOSSES are BETTER, then my vote is for Hawaii. They are the only team that didn't loose for 12 games! No other team in the country can say that. And most of the team we are discussing (Excluding VT) has at least 1 loss to AN UNRANLKED TEAM!
SilverBulletD
posted on December 2, 2007 12:55 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
Maybe they should throw it all out and go back to the old way. So what if we have split champions. According to USC they won it the year LSU won the title game. What is the difference? If Ohio State does, or doesn't, play in the title, how can any team with two losses, or a Kansas with one loss, not claim they are champs the same way USC did?
If we had a playoff the same debates would be happening, the difference, the season wouldn't have been as exciting and debatable as it has been.
We all think this is screwing up college football; in reality its adding to the fan base. This year I have had more people tell me that they have had no interest in college ball until this year. The only people who are hating this are the die hards that want to see their team win a championship every year.
Think about the interest that this is all sparking. Bad publicity is great publicity. The BCS is probably loving whats going on, not hating it.
TE
posted on December 2, 2007 12:57 PM — 70.180.43.182 — link — abuse? said:
VTBobb,
Again, quite right...
LSU has played 7 ranked teams this year, and we have played easily the toughest schedule in America, playing the SEC West and Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina, & Tennessee from the East, as well...
We played just about our entire conference, all of which beat each other black and blue all year, and we also played a good non-conference game against a Top 5 team (that not many thought was Top 5 after we beat 48-7) in your VT team...
Congrats on avenging that loss to BC yesterday...Looks like Glennon has come LIGHT years since early on when we faced you guys in the rain in Tiger Stadium...
Autigerman said:
posted on December 2, 2007 1:02 PM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
Well im under the impression that if a wac team really wants to win an NC they need to schedule a couple of tougher out of conference games. But if you will recall this year. Sports illustrated had a big article before the season on Hawaii.
Up until somewhere in late summer it looked like they might have 3 or even 4 bye weeks. Noone wanted to play them.
Several top level teams wanted nothing to do with them. Not to mention the travel is tough but Hawaii is a good team that almost beat Bama and Oregon State last year.
So strenght of schedule is not really Hawaiis fault they tried giving an open invitation to any team and still got no takers.
I just think that the BCS is a horrible solution for college football.
Every year we get a new twist.Its maddening.
I realize a playoff might still leave a good team out but it would have to be better then this. Plus regardless of who is in the playoff a team would have to win 2 or 3 games against the best teams in the country to win the NC and that would be undisputable.
VTBobb said:
posted on December 2, 2007 1:03 PM — 70.17.10.81 — link — abuse?
SilverBullet, I think the publicity is more about the upsets. That's a result of the parity the NCAA has been trying to build into the system.
Of course, in my mind, the natural progression would reult in the creation of a playoff system. Once the teams are generally equal, the old "who do you think is better" poll system becomes obselete. When there were only a 10 or 20 consistently top notch teams in the country, a few significant bowl games, along with polls, was an exciting and viable means of determining a national champion. Now with the playing field leveled, it doesn't crown a convincing champion.
SilverBulletD
posted on December 2, 2007 1:08 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
VTBobb,
And it never really will. Even with a playoff you are going to get teams that could win it left out. You will get SEC teams that feel a Big 10 school didn't play a good schedule and doesn't deserve to be in the playoff over one of their teams. This cannot be handled like basketball or the NFL. You are talking about 117+ teams fighting for that playoff berth. In the NFL there are 32 and the system works. In basketball you can play every other day or every day if need be.I think college football will always chase its tail if it actually believes it to be possible to crown a National Champ and/or have a rock solid system that will always work without argument.
In the end that is what everyone is looking for. A system that produces no argument. My opinion is that its impossible.
SilverBulletD
posted on December 2, 2007 1:14 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
I just don't understand how everyone has left out VaTech and Oklahoma from the discussion really. Not everyone on here, but the experts. Last night OK stomped a good MO team, and VaTech beat up on BC. Why does everyone immediately make it about LSU or Georgia?
VTBobb said:
posted on December 2, 2007 1:15 PM — 70.17.10.81 — link — abuse?
SilverBulletD, you are absolutley right, there will alwyas be arguments, even with a playoff. And to be honest, I really like the bowls. It gives building programs an opportunity and gives good teams a reward for a good season.
But trying to decide ONLY 2 deserving teams, when the NCAA is trying to level the playing field so that there are, in fact, MULTIPLE deserving teams in any given year, is ludicrous. If you come up with a mini-playoff system, an still have the bowls, you could at least expand to choosing, say, 8 deserving teams.
GT Chunk said:
posted on December 2, 2007 1:19 PM — 65.90.166.114 — link — abuse?
The problem that I believe exists in college football is well sports writers. I think that there need to be rules put in place for the voting system. For example maybe it needs to be a rule that you must win your conference championship to go to a BCS title game. Maybe with the current schedule grading in place your schedule grade must be of a certain value to be allowed into the top 10. The free lance voting has made this mess into what it is, I hate regulation but this is one thing that could help fix the problems
TE
posted on December 2, 2007 1:24 PM — 70.180.43.182 — link — abuse? said:
LSU is at #2 comfortably with 11 votes in both the media and the coach's poll...
LSU's in the National Championship Game...
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!
UGA stayed #4 in both polls, and watched LSU & OU move up five spots past them...
OUCH!!!!!!!!!
SilverBulletD
posted on December 2, 2007 1:29 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
The new AP is out.
1)OSU
2)LSU
3)Oklahoma
4)Georgia
5)VaTech
6)USC
7)Mizzou
8)Kansas
9)Florida
10)HawaiiThere are 11 conferences in D-IA.
ACC, Big12, Big East, Big 10, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West, Pac 10, SEC, Sun Belt, WAC.
Each of these have in the past and could in the future argue they deserve a shot at a BCS game.So with a playoff you have 11 teams in (one from each conference). All conferences have to have a champion. If they have a split in conference they have to play for a tie breaker. Then they play until there are two.
The problem with this is the Independents. I say force them into a conference and go from there. Since there are 11, whoever has the best record (including strength of schedule) gets a bye.
It could work!
Autigerman said:
posted on December 2, 2007 1:30 PM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
Silver
I have to disagree for one reason.Division 2 (championship subdidvision)has a playoff and it works for them.
And its some of the most exciting games youll watch. And at the end there is never controversy as to who is the best team. No, this one goes way deeper then that.
This is about TV networks, power hungry people, and money. It has nothing to do with trying to find out who the best team is.
National rankings to place teams should be done away with just like basketball.
Conference champs should slug it out on the field. If georgia wants to be there win the conference. If Kansas wants to be there win the conference.
Take a lesson for or Division 2 friends find out how they make it work and copy that.
GA Boy said:
posted on December 2, 2007 1:35 PM — 97.89.26.241 — link — abuse?
TE
Congrats man. I am sure you will kick the hell out of OSU. If the shoe was on the other foot, I assure you I would have been raising hell about someone thinking that LSU should go ahead of GA if we had won the conference like you did. I guess we will have to wait until next year to win it all.GO DAWGS and beat the hell out USC!
TE
posted on December 2, 2007 1:40 PM — 70.180.43.182 — link — abuse? said:
GA Boy,
You guys I'm sure are JACKED up about next year...
Stafford's got a rifle, and a third year starter along with a Sophomore Sensation in Knowshon Moreno is going to have you guys loaded for bear...
If we do indeed make it to New Orleans, let's be honest...You guys are going to circle that home game against us next year as we cycle back to you guys as the rotating Eastern Division Opponent...
That's going to be an absolutely HUGE road tilt in '08!
Autigerman said:
posted on December 2, 2007 1:51 PM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
LSU deserves a right to play for a title but no more the OK,USC, VT, Ohio State or even West Virginia.
The rest is speculation. And the NC has really lost its luster this year.
Congrats on the SEC title thats a real title.
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on December 2, 2007 1:53 PM — 74.185.133.40 — link — abuse?
I'm sure I'll be accused of dawg hating for this, but...
I don't think a team should go to the title game if they didn't win their own conference. I made this point last year in saying that Michigan didn't deserve a trip to the championship and it would be inconsistent for me to assert otherwise now.
That being said, I won't be surprised to see UGA in the title game. The dawgs are the hottest team around and Moreno is the best young running back I've seen in a long time. Do they deserve to be there? No, IMO - but I'll be watching the game if they are there.
VT80 said:
posted on December 2, 2007 1:55 PM — 71.234.137.250 — link — abuse?
So, Ohio State moves up from #5 to #3 last week without playing. Then they move from #3 to #1 this week without playing. I'm not sure a team that played only 1 ranked team, and didn't even play much less win a Conference Championship should play for the National Championship.
Neville said:
posted on December 2, 2007 1:57 PM — 70.164.69.146 — link — abuse?
No. Georgia should not be in. Their loss to Tennesse was by 21 points. They were blown out 28-0 by halftime. Va Tech and Georgia have both been blown out this year. Okla, LSU and USC have at least been competitive in all games.
Also, I hate this "hot at the end of the season", "playing the best ball right now" crap. Notre Dame is 2-0 over their last two, which is better than LSU. I'd like to see some Georgia fans come out and say ND should be in ahead of LSU.
TE
posted on December 2, 2007 2:00 PM — 70.180.43.182 — link — abuse? said:
So, USC's loss to Stanford and Oregon is somehow just as bad as losses to Arkansas & Kentucky? Sorry, I don't buy that...
Ohio State is playing for the title, so I can't argue there...But, West Virginia lost to Pitt...They're under .500, and they were a 27.5 point DOG to end the year...
I can't argue with OU, honestly...
But, losing to Pitt & South Florida is a joke, and we've obviously proven that we can win with our backup quarterback, and we can beat RANKED teams in CHAMPIONSHIP games with our backup...
West Virginia can't say that...Heck, USC couldn't win with its backups and injuries to its quarterbacks, either...
Jon said:
posted on December 2, 2007 2:01 PM — 68.84.19.20 — link — abuse?
I'm so sick of seeing "The problem that I believe exists in college football is...."
Quit trying to rationalize this idiocy. The ONLY problem is that you cannot possible come out with a legitimate fair way of ranking teams without a playoff system. And ranking/matching teams is what makes sports relevant to most Americans.
Autigerman said:
posted on December 2, 2007 2:05 PM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
While we sit here contemplating who the best teams are, our little brothers The championship subdivision are having a playoff to prove it.
They started with 16 teams and are down to 4 now.Why cant we see we are getting the short end of the stick?
No more excuses please lets just settle it where it should be settled on the field.
BigWarEagle said:
posted on December 2, 2007 2:10 PM — 68.209.249.179 — link — abuse?
Wow! Is Crazy Les living right or what? First, he pulls out game after game somehow in spite of questionable coaching calls. Next, his alma mater needs a new coach which results in getting Les a humongous raise. And finally, everthing goes completely nuts and Les and his Tigers jump from #7 in the country to playing for a National Championship.
It seems to be good to be Les, but sometimes dont you look in his eyes and just wonder who is driving?
Autigerman said:
posted on December 2, 2007 2:12 PM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
TE
While i do agree LSU deserves a shot i dont see them as any better then 4 or 5 other teams and therefore no more deserving either.
They could easily lose to OSU,OK,USC and even Georgia just to name a few. This is not intended to be a slight against them. It just proves you need to settle it on the field.
And if your left out youll be on my band wagon.
Jon said:
posted on December 2, 2007 2:19 PM — 68.84.19.20 — link — abuse?
Actually TE, I do have a plan.. as posted in an earlier thread...
Start a pro-playoff organization that solicits donations from the fans and keeps the money in a fund...You take a portion of the money coming into the fund and use it for advertising to spread the word and keep the pressure on the NCAA. Upon the NCAA creating a 16-team playoff, the fund needs to be released to all the conferences to help support athletic scholarships.. It may not work in 1-year, and it may not work in 2-years, but eventually, the money in that fund would grow mighty large and slowly erode this idiocy and when the levy breaks, we will have our playoff.What's your plan?
Neville said:
posted on December 2, 2007 2:19 PM — 70.164.69.146 — link — abuse?
I for one am very glad there is no playoff in 1-A college football. Even a plus one system would stink. The way it is now is fine, even better would be in pre-BCS days. Without the BCS, this years bowls would be:
Rose: OSU and USC
Fiesta: Oklahoma and Georgia
Sugar: LSU and Hawaii or Kansas
Orange: VT and WVAThat is not anything significantly different than what we are going to get, and at least in that system there would be a better chance of 2 teams splitting the title.
If there was a playoff system in place, imagine LSU / Arkansas 1 week ago. LSU would know they are in the SEC championship and winning that puts them in the playoff, so they rest all their starters - Dorsey, Holliday, etc. what fun would that be? Would anyone care? The NFL teams do it all the time come week 16, and imagine college teams doing it during rivalry week no less - OSU rests their players for Michigan, Auburn benches their whole 1st team offense for Alabama...
If a playoff comes to pass, I'm dumping college football as a fan and going to High School football.
posted on December 2, 2007 2:57 PM — 63.168.219.206 — link — abuse? said:
With some of the data already in, it looks like LSU is going to do better than I thought.
I had the result of the LSU VT game wrong in my head. Oops.
LSU is looking like it will be a solid #2. They simply gained too much in the Coaches Poll to be caught by anyone.
Hawaii gained a first place vote in both the coaches and AP poll. They already had one in the Harris Interactive poll.
The protest votes are already beginning to appear.
As for the question of whether a team should be required to win its conference to be invited to a Championship game, with the current system of a single championship game I think you can't do that. Maybe they should make that part of a final four, plus one, format however.
SilverBulletD
posted on December 2, 2007 2:57 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
I honestly want everyone who is an SEC fan to tell me why any other conference even plays football anymore? All the SEC fans feel that they are the best and that no one else can compete.
"Congrats on the SEC title thats a real title."
You all claim there should be a playoff, yet the only teams that deserve to be there are SEC teams.
SilverBulletD
posted on December 2, 2007 3:17 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
No responses? I really want to know what makes the SEC so much better than everyone else that we should just give LSU the title because they won the SEC?
I am not saying they are not a great conference, but there are a lot of good football teams out there. USC is a good, according to some great football team, but they play in a not so great conference. They don't get dogged out like Ohio State. Because a team went undefeated and was highly favored over a team last year, they have to suffer for it for the rest of their existence? VaTech got slaughtered by LSU this year, I don't here everyone blasting them like Ohio State.
Ohio State should not even go to the National Championship. Whats the point? They are just going to be humiliated again. They suck, their undeserving, and they should make the move to the MAC or DII. If they played in the SEC they would be lucky to beat Ole Miss. Isn't that how all you SEC people feel?
I am so sick and tired of hearing how holier than thou the SEC is. I hope OSU shows up like 2002 and shuts all your mouths. Then maybe the rest of the conferences will get some respect.
A playoff system is a joke. The SEC will be the only ones that deserve to play in it anyway. They should make another division in the NFC and AFC for the SEC East and West. They belong playing NFL teams not these lowly college programs. Please!!
1st_and_NOLE
posted on December 2, 2007 3:30 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse? said:
Hell, just cancel the NC game this year. No one deserves it.
OSU played a weak schedule.
LSU has been lucky as hell and should have 4 loses at least.
UGA got hammered by a weak Tenn team and lost at home to 6-6 SC
OU lost to two unranked teams.
USC lost to Stanford.
Mizz can't beat an OU team that lost to two unranked teams.
Kansas played NO ONE and when they did - they lost.
VT got killed by LSU
That pretty much eliminates anyone from being a deserving National CHAMPION.
If there's NOT going to be a playoff system in place... then just cancel the damn NC game.
SilverBulletD
posted on December 2, 2007 3:39 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
If no one deserves it, then everyone deserves it as much as anyone else that is in the top 10 to... 20 this year.
I just think its funny how bad Ohio State is because of their schedule. When Kansas State scheduled cupcakes under Snyder and became #1 they were blasted for it. When USC was playing not so stiff competition, oh wait, who do they play? They don't get blasted for it.
According to SEC fans, its not hard to win a lot of games in your conference, when your conference isn't that good. Well what about the PAC 10. UCLA lost to Utah, ND, Wash St., Arizona, Arizona St., and USC, yet they had a chance to win the PAC 10 when they played USC. And everyone is talking about how impressive USC is. Did you see how bad UCLA's offense was yesterday?
SilverBulletD
posted on December 2, 2007 3:45 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
It doesn't matter anymore. Who the hell cares what happens in college football. No one can be as good as the SEC and the BCS is a piece of sh!+.
Everything that used to be so enjoyable in life has become a disgrace. All because we have to have the best and we have to make more money.
I wish you all the best in trying to make it all better and hopefully the SEC will become their own something someday.
GA Boy said:
posted on December 2, 2007 4:07 PM — 97.89.26.241 — link — abuse?
Damn silverbullet, just a little bitter today aren't we? I have to live with the fact that we let a pathetic South Carolina team jacked up on Spurrier juice beat us by 4 lousy points. Tennessee is not a bad team. They spanked us in the 1st half and there goes what could have been. Even with all that, I am not as bitter as you are. Give it a rest. Also, if Ohio State played in the SEC, they would win about what they do in the Big 10, 10 wins per year, one or two suprising losses. No big change in my opinion.
GO DAWGS
ATL-ien said:
posted on December 2, 2007 4:17 PM — 160.10.98.225 — link — abuse?
how many mutha ****** chances these pricks goin give LSU. They were ranked #1 two times and blew it, and been #1 or #2 for half the season, their 9 tiger lives are over give someone else a chance.
*** same for Ku, USC, OU, all been ranked #1 or 2 and blew it so screw them give someone else a chance.
Autigerman said:
posted on December 2, 2007 4:57 PM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
Silver
you have some serious issues man
For me to say that the SEC title is a real title isnt to imply anything other then just what I said. Which is that it was a real title settled on the field.Nothing negative towards any other conference.
In fact any conference championship in my book is better then a national title, but i dont feel like trying to explain that to you. Since you are obviously an SEC football hater and no matter what was said you would twist it to suit your needs.The National title has never been settled on the field without dispute. And any game played 6- 8 weeks after the season is over is a waste of time. You above all people should know that.
Since your an Ohio State fan do you really think that the same Ohio State team that beat Michigan showed up in the title game last year. Of course not. Had they played that game 2 weeks after the season it may have been a different turn out.
But college football dosent want to give up the biggest money maker in football and thats the New years games. So we will be stuck forever im sure with a less then perfect system.Let me give you a practical observation.
IMO the big ten needs to have a bye week add another team and have a playoff....why.
If for no other reason just to avoid the extra two weeks layoff.
I have nothing against any other conference some years SEC is strongest other years its someone else.
All of that is debatable.For me Auburn football rules and everything else is second and i wont budge on that.But there are far to many problems with college football when it comes to a NC game to worry about it. Now you won your conference this year and thats a real title.
LSU-PATS said:
posted on December 2, 2007 5:00 PM — 216.79.206.92 — link — abuse?
POST 78, there is nobody else! LSU will jump GEORGIA, KANSAS, AND VT. The only reason OHIO ST. is there because they were #3 last week. There will be no playoff this year or in the next few years, so we have to deal with it. USC or OKLAHOMA will not pass LSU because LSU is above them in the polls, KANSAS will get past by LSU and others because they didn't win BIG12, and for VT, well we know what LSU did to them. As for GEORGIA, YOU shoulda, woulda, coulda been in the SEC game but wasn't, so oh well. LSU IS GOING TO PLAY OHIO ST. for the title, when LSU beats OHIO ST. then i hope everyone realizes LSU deserves to be there. GO LSU!!!
Ray said:
posted on December 2, 2007 7:05 PM — 72.152.208.160 — link — abuse?
Ga. is the only choice. LSU had their shot last week, beeing no. and lost, no way should they be put at no. 2 one week later. Ga. was ranked no. 4 knowing they would not play in the SEC championship. No one should leap frog them. If anyone does, it just reaffirms how much of a joke the BCS is. Ther should be a plyoff system. Ga. will kick anyone's butt. Just let them play and prove it.
Big Tide said:
posted on December 2, 2007 7:39 PM — 12.208.88.211 — link — abuse?
TE Congratulations on LSU's winning the SEC, which is a National Title in and of itself. I just got back today from a pheasant hunting trip to South Dakota and have been taking the time to read up on all the posts. Wow, a lot has happened in the last 4 days. Here are my thoughts.
1.) Who is Ben Prather (Post #9) and is there any way to drug test the boy. Go back to watching ice skating.
2.) Ohio State should be out and Oklahoma should be in. Conferences that DO NOT PLAY TITLE GAMES should take a back seat to those that do.
3.) I can't see Ohio State beating a LSU team that has played SO MANY BIG GAMES against quality competition. Ohio State's weak schedule will again expose them as a paper tiger.
4.) Was Rich Rod crying last night after that loss to Pitt? If I have to hear another word about Pat White I'm going to vomit. As TE pointed out, LSU won their conference championship game with its BACK UP quarterback. Hey Big East fans....it's time to wake up.
5.) Name another conference, besides the SEC, that has TWO teams that have a ligit argument to be in the title game? Enough said about the strength of the SEC.
6.) Somebody tell Les Miles to take a sedative and not do any more press conferences. Also, TE and all you LSU fans - talk about catching the breaks. I don't ever want to hear about LSU not getting any breaks. Unbelievable year!!!!More later, but all jokes aside TE - congrats....
SilverBulletD
posted on December 2, 2007 7:44 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
I would not consider myself "just another SEC hater." What bothers me is that everyone bashes Ohio State because they feel they don't deserve to be where they are. A lot of that comes from SEC fans. I give all the respect in the world for the fact that the SEC has 10 teams bowl eligible. The only other conference to do that is the Big 10.
I just think its funny how so many have given Ohio State the same chance Florida had last year, or that Ohio State had against Miami in 2002.
If I am an SEC hater, what are all the SEC fans that bash the Big 10 everyday?
Example: post 83 from Mr2bits.
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on December 2, 2007 9:28 PM — 209.183.51.46 — link — abuse?
#86: OSU fans are very similar to ND fans: a greatly over-inflated sense of entitlement. If either of those teams manage to win their first two or three games, all of the blogs are ringing with angry OSU/ND fans, "why are we not not ranked #1 already? Why isn't our QB holding the Heisman trophy already?" Frankly, your complaints about SEC fans strike me as hypocritical.
You're right, we SEC fans are pretty pumped up because *AT THE MOMENT* the SEC is the best conference in NCAAFB.
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on December 2, 2007 9:31 PM — 166.128.126.166 — link — abuse?
#86: OSU fans are very similar to ND fans: a greatly over-inflated sense of entitlement. If either of those teams manage to win their first two or three games, all of the blogs are ringing with angry OSU/ND fans, "why are we not not ranked #1 already? Why isn't our QB holding the Heisman trophy already?" Frankly, your complaints about SEC fans strike me as hypocritical.
You're right, we SEC fans are pretty pumped up because *AT THE MOMENT* the SEC is the best conference in NCAAFB.
UgaFanD said:
posted on December 3, 2007 2:33 AM — 68.158.236.36 — link — abuse?
Yes, #3 and #4 should be playing in the championship since #1 and #2 lost the spots, but the blind refs. of the BCS think otherwise. It's a win win situation for LSU: playing in the bowl, and winning the bowl. OSU has never beat any SEC team in a bowl. GO LSU!!!
TampaGator said:
posted on December 3, 2007 4:10 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
What's all this talk about UGA deserving a shot at NC?
Please play that one out. IF UGA were to win, then, the 2nd best team in the SEC ****EAST**** would be dubbed "national champion."
...as flattering as I find that (being a SEC guy 'n all--an SEC East guy, no less)--that'd just be ridiculous....
...especially since they didn't play for SEC championship.
(b/t/w: what would've happend had LSU lost to Tennessee? UGA get the nod??? Woulda' been hysterical, but same result...)
My condolences to OU & KU; congrats to LSU and OSU.
Geaux Tigers &
GO GATORS!!Bevo Boy said:
posted on December 3, 2007 5:29 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
#86/87, most SEC schools are the same way. The Big 10 isn't as bad as everyone thinks, though. They have 10 bowl eligible teams (same amount as the SEC, but they only have 11 teams) and the same amount of teams with 7 wins. Anywhere that you go, people will try to glorify their favorite team when it's too early to know. Just because they aren't in the SEC doesn't mean that they aren't good. That's like saying that Les Miles's argument that they didn't lose in regulation should mean anything. It doesn't matter how long it takes or how badly you are beaten. A loss is a loss.
SilverBulletD
posted on December 3, 2007 5:36 PM — 24.145.251.96 — link — abuse? said:
Ramblin' Gator,
I don't feel OSU has an entitlement to anything. I just feel that because your boys blew us out last year we get no respect at all. Did we play a weak schedule? Yes, but we also beat up on the teams we were supposed to beat up on. I think every Ohio State fan was upset with the schedule this year. There is nothing we can do about it and there is nothing the players can do about it. The only thing they could do is win and they did. Everyone had their chance at #1 this year and everyone including Ohio State blew it at one point. Now they have another chance. Maybe they will get blown out by LSU and the SEC and all the Mark May lovers (not saying they are the same people, a lot of people hate Mark May) can celebrate they were right and have a big party. But maybe they will come out like 2002 and suprise everyone but the people who have watched them play every game this year.
For all the people complaining about them not playing and moving up. They played the same amount of games as everyone except the conference championship teams. For the record, I hate the conference championship games. I feel they are unfair to the teams that play them and most of the time the wrong teams are in them. Its also unfair to the teams that don't play in them, UGA. USC has never played in one and no one has complained about them being in any National Titles.
Florida fans have a right to be proud because their school has accomplished a lot. They invented Gatorade and they won back to back basketball titles and a NC in football. At the expense of Ohio State twice, but they were the better team both games we played them. LSU fought probably the toughest schedule in college football and made it to the championship because of it. They are extremely talented and Ohio State will have to come with all they have to beat them.
I am a proud Ohio State fan and feel they deserve a shot at the title as much as any other team. I know I stand on an island with other Ohio State fans that feel that way, and maybe a couple other people who are not Buckeye fans, maybe. But they made it through with one loss to another team in a BCS game.
Congrats to LSU for making it to the title. For all you SEC fans, good luck through bowl season. I was a little frustrated the other night and I apologize for that.
I really don't feel that OSU fans feel they have entitlements to anything. For the record also, I think Tim Tebow should win the Heisman. What he has done this year is insane for any quarterback in CFB, and to do it as a sophmore is even crazier. And for him to fight through that last game with a broken hand is awesome!!
So, I am not an irrational Ohio State fan. I am just a proud Ohio State fan tired of hearing everyone say they don't deserve anything because of one embarrassing loss.
Sports_Charlie said:
posted on December 3, 2007 7:18 PM — 24.250.64.228 — link — abuse?
Silverbullet
In response to your questions...I am an SEC fan and I do believe there should be a playoff. Now, with that said yes I absolutely believe the SEC is by far the best conference...right now. This doesn't mean the tide will never turn...it just means that the talent level of the SEC and more importantly the depth of the SEC makes it the best conference. Like I said, this sort of thing shifts from time to time. For example, look at basketball. For almost a decade it seemed like the ACC had a stranglehold on basketball but in recent years we've seen the Big East, SEC, and Big 12 show some real tough competition.
And as far as strength of schedule, it should most certainly be used in determining rankings and things of that nature. In fact, records should not mean as much as they do now. I do believe that Georgia and Oklahoma should've been ranked over Ohio St even though that had one more loss because of their tougher schedules. And if a conference is stronger and if a team plays a tougher schedule (like LSU scheduling V Tech on top of the SEC), they should be rewarded.
Now where the playoff comes in though is the beauty of the whole thing. No matter what I think or anybody else, sometimes we are wrong. I've sat through numerous years of basketball analysts all but giving the title to a handful of teams before March madness and do you know how many of those teams get upset?
The point is, use strength of schedule and the BCS to determine seedings and have a playoff to determine the champion on the field. What we need is to take the "opinion" out of college football.
Here's how my playoff system would work:
8 teams
Each BCS conference champion gets a automatic bid and 2 at large bids are selected with the same criteria currently used. BCS standings are used to seed the teams.
The 6 BCS conferences would be forced to hold championship games to even the playing field...the automatic bid comes out of that game.
The first round would be held on the campuses rewarding BCS #1-4 who would host. The semi-finals and finals would be held at neutral sites (Sugar, Fiesta, and Orange Bowl). The Rose Bowl could go back to playing the Big 10 vs. Pac 10 (it just wouldn't be their champions) and stay out of the playoff since they are the biggest problem to begin with.
Since we've screwed the whole New Year's Day bowl experience anyway, the 3 week playoff system could be held with 2 weeks breaks between games. This year the dates would be:
Dec 15-16
Dec 29-30
National Championship Jan 13th
So this year, this is how it would shake out:#8 Hawaii at #1 Ohio St
#5 Georgia at #4 Oklahoma
#6 USC at #3 V Tech#7 West Virginia at #2 LSU
Can you imagine Ohio St, LSU, V Tech, and Oklahoma hosting a national college playoff game?! Think of the story lines. USC makes a trip to Blacksburg, UGA travels to Oklahoma, WV coach Rich Rodriquez returns to LA, Colt Brennan takes his team on the road to face the O State defense.Anyway, that's just my idea but I'd like to see a legitimate argument that this playoff would not solve.
This way, every year you would know that if you can win your conference (assuming you are in a BCS conf), you would have a chance to win the national championship.
So if the SEC is really as strong as some of us think, you could have a 2 loss team make it to the championship every year but there wouldn't be an argument because it would be won on the field. And if there is a sleeper conference, pre-season polls wouldn’t kill their chances of having a team with an equal record make the championship game.
Bevo Boy said:
posted on December 4, 2007 4:29 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Sports_Charlie #97, it's a nice idea, but then people would complain about the rankings. If a team is at #8 and wins their conference championship against a solid opponent, then gets passed by a team with the same record that won their championship game, also (much like what happened to OU when they were passed by LSU after beating #1 Mizzou). One thing most fans seem to think (I'm not saying you're one of them) is that there would be a perfect system if it went into a playoff. That first team left out would always complain. A playoff like you said is better, but fans need to realize that you will never make everyone happy.
Sports_Charlie said:
posted on December 4, 2007 9:18 PM — 24.250.64.228 — link — abuse?
Bevo Boy #98
You are right about that...we'll never make everybody happy. But I guess the biggest advantage of a playoff system like I describe is that the champion from every major conference gets a shot every year in a playoff.
In the case of LSU jumping Oklahoma though...LSU was already ahead of Oklahoma. Now what would be interesting though would be to see where the rankings would be if there was a playoff. LSU may not have passed up idle Kansas (though I still think they should have), Georgia, or V.Tech. Then the games I described would shake out a bit different.
My biggest problem is the system is always 20 years behind where it should be. So the next step will be the "and 1" game so we'll have a 4 team playoff. But that would still warrant an argument this year wouldn't it?
Ohio St.
LSU
V. Tech
OklahomaUSC and Georgia would still be left out in this scenario.
Who knows what will happen but my predicition is the "and 1" game will start in 2010, not work a few years as well, and then maye around 2020 we may see an 8 team playoff.
So wishful thinking and we're only 13 years away from getting it right! :-)
gOSU27 said:
posted on December 5, 2007 8:28 PM — 207.74.25.36 — link — abuse?
This whole BCS deal gives me a headache. It should have been left alone. Now we watch college football go the same playoff route as every other sport has gone, losing its identity.
What upsets me more is the changes made in the past two years. In both of these years, the SEC champion has jumped over a team (or three) that should have played above them. All of these teams that were overpassed, either won, or did not play during the conference championship week. This year the victims were VT, OK, and UG.Sure Virginia Tech lost to LSU by 40. But the teams that they lost to were had a combined record, better than LSU's losses. And later VT came back to Beat BC anyway.
Oklahoma should be in the NC game right now. They defeated the # team, they should be in. LSU and Oklahoma both lost to two unranked teams, one home, one away. This is a rippoff for Oklahoma.
Georgia remained idle this week and was overpassed by LSU. Why? Because they didn't make the SEC championship? Yes, but Georgia was ranked above at first, so why did they fall??
There are a lot of unanswered questions about this system. I don't want a playoff, but it may come down to that.
sdjjwest said:
posted on December 5, 2007 9:28 PM — 68.47.88.168 — link — abuse?
ga couldn't win their own division in their own conference so why should they deserve a shot at the national title without a playoff. without a playoff all we will ever have is a paper champion because it is never determined on the field. last year boise state deserved a chance because they did what ever other team wanted to do and that was to go undefeated and they didn't get a chance at the national title. they may have gotten killed by fla. but how does anyone know until they line up and play ball. nothing against ga. but i hope hawaii kicks their butt just to screw with the stupid b(c)s. (what a crock) just line up and play ball
Bevo Boy said:
posted on December 7, 2007 3:51 PM — 207.200.116.5 — link — abuse?
gOSU27, are you just complaining because tOSU is going to be murdered by another SEC team? I'd like to see a Big XII school take home the 'ship, but obviously that can't happen. I don't think that college football would lose its identity if it had a playoff. It could still have bowl games for other teams and would still have the same regular season and all of the rivalries.
OU-Ron
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posted on December 2, 2007 8:45 AM — 72.198.24.199 — link — abuse?You won't hear any complaints or excuses from me, OU had their chance but couldn't hold on. I think they are playing as good as any team right now. I'm just looking forward to the FIESTA BOWL....
GO SOONERS