October 15, 2006
Canes get into (another) brawl
For a team that hasn't shown much fight on the field in a while, the Miami Hurricanes sure have a knack for getting into bench-clearing brawls. Last year it was LSU in the Peach Bowl. Last night it was during the third quarter of the Florida International game. Thirteen players were ejected - five from Miami and eight from FIU.
The fight started after a Miami extra point in the 3rd quarter. From the pictures, you can see FIU DB Chris Smith hitting UM's Matt Perrelli.
Both benches cleared, and within seconds, multiple fights broke out across the field. UM players Brandon Meriweather and DajLeon Farr kicked the heads of unidentified FIU players. At midfield, UM receiver Lance Leggett threw a running punch at an FIU player.Coker said he did not see how it started, and FIU players also said they were uncertain. But Miami players did not have to wait to see the tape.
''It was totally started by FIU,'' linebacker Jon Beason said. ``I wish we would have showed more maturity. But at the same time, if you see two or three guys getting jumped on, you have to do what you have to do.''
It took 20 minutes and a row of police around the field to get the game restarted. All of this, mind you, in front of Miami area high schools that had gotten free tickets from UM.
After the Miami win (35-0), Miami Head Coach Larry Coker delighted the Coker-haters with one of the worst quotes that has ever escaped his mouth.
''I think this will affect the image of this program, but in a very positive way,'' Coker said. ``This won't be a negative for the University of Miami.''
No, this won't be negative at all, Coach.
UPDATE: UM is suspending at least eight players.
Coker said the five players ejected in the third-quarter fight -- offensive linemen Derrick Morse and Chris Barney, running back Charlie Jones, and cornerbacks Carlos Armour and Bruce Johnson -- would be suspended.Coker also suspended safeties Anthony Reddick and Brandon Meriweather and fullback James Bryant. The lengths of the suspensions had not been determined.
"I don't have many bad days," Coker said. "This is a bad day."
UPDATE: The ACC has ordered 13 Miami players suspended for one game (Duke).
Following a thorough review of available video footage, the ACC and the University of Miami have issued one-game suspensions to Carlos Armour, Chris Barney, James Bryant, Tyrone Byrd, DajLeon Farr, Ryan Hill, Bruce Johnson, Charlie Jones, Brandon Meriweather, Brian Monroe, Derrick Morse, Randy Phillips and Anthony Reddick.
After two fights in less than one year, I am a little disappointed that the ACC didn't go further with Miami. When Clemson - South Carolina brawled previously, the schools took it upon themselves to forgo their bowl games. I would have expected something similar - if not from UM, then definitely from the ACC. Bah.
UPDATE: The ACC and Miami have announced that safety Anthony Reddick has been extended indefinitely. Also, players involved in the fight will be subject to "additional measures", including community service and other unspecified actions.
"After thinking this through last night, Paul Dee and I agreed this morning that additional measures were needed regarding Anthony Redick and the use of his helmet during Saturday's incident,” said ACC Commissioner John Swofford.
Comments:
Nobrainer said:
posted on October 15, 2006 11:19 AM — 68.235.162.211 — link — abuse?
Don't forget that Miami has been having problems with fights amongst themselves the last two seasons.
From August of this year:
"Andrew Bain saw his fellow offensive lineman involved in a skirmish and decided to jump into the fray, inviting himself into his second fight of the day, following a beatdown he allegedly gave freshman defensive tackle Chaz Washington…"From August 2005:
"But more angry about the perceived cheap shot than the injury, Morse said he went after Carroll and a fight followed. The ruckus eventually involved both the offensive and defensive teams battling each other, according to Morse."C-DOGG said:
posted on October 15, 2006 11:31 AM — 24.131.224.89 — link — abuse?
Coker really has to go now because these players do not FEAR/RESPECT him like they would Butch Davis or Jimmy Johnson. Maybe the fight will light a fire in their butts to play better. A BCS berth is still up for grabs in the ACC.
posted on October 15, 2006 11:47 AM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue said:
UPDATE: UM is suspending at least eight players.
Coker said the five players ejected in the third-quarter fight -- offensive linemen Derrick Morse and Chris Barney, running back Charlie Jones, and cornerbacks Carlos Armour and Bruce Johnson -- would be suspended.Coker also suspended safeties Anthony Reddick and Brandon Meriweather and fullback James Bryant. The lengths of the suspensions had not been determined.
"I don't have many bad days," Coker said. "This is a bad day."
AgRyan04 said:
posted on October 15, 2006 1:55 PM — 72.181.60.135 — link — abuse?
The guy who was swinging his helmet should be kicked out of the NCAA.
That whole thing was sickening.
I had to chuckle when I thought to myself....what would happen if Miami played tech in Lubbock? 50,000 raider fans v. 100 Miami players. Who would you take?
Hachiko said:
posted on October 15, 2006 2:46 PM — 71.107.82.20 — link — abuse?
I have to say that James Bryant will need to be hardest hit with the suspensions. He basically had to do a celebration that incensed the FIU players to the point where mayhem would soon erupt.
This is supposed to be a friendly rivalry, and for Bryant to spice things up too much definitely will not win him any friends, and he could even see a threat to his life for that celebration.
And for Miami to pick a fight with Florida International-FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL, of all teams! Still winless, still hapless, and James Bryant has to lay the straw that breaks the camel's back.
There's no doubt both coaches will be fired, as well as the staff gutted. Heck, I'd throw in a death penalty to Miami, not just for this incident but others. There are terrible times in South Florida indeed, and I hope that the forces that be stop the bleeding before Miami's streets are spilled with blood, literally and figuratively.
S.C.U.M. said:
posted on October 15, 2006 3:30 PM — 209.168.248.130 — link — abuse?
I second the thoughts of gatorhippy - things are the way they should be for the first time this season, though we'll see how long it lasts.
I also second the thoughts of Larry Coker. I think this WILL have a positive effect on 'Canes football. Though I do not advocate bench clearing brawls, it has been too long since Miami (effectively) asserted itself on or off the football field. The LSU fight was after a 40-3 loss. The Louisville fight was before a 31-7 loss. I was at the game, and before the fight, the 'Canes scored 14 points in about 2 and 1/2 quarters. In the final 1 and 1/2 quarters, they scored three touchdowns. It was nice to finally see some fight from this team.
Hachiko - James Bryant is a shining star on an offense without much to brag about. Bowing to the crowd, though a penalty, was in no way an incitement to violence.
AgRyan04 - Consider yourself lucky that the 'Canes don't come to Lubbock, and luckier that Texas Tech, who just got clobbered by a winless Colorado team, doesn't visit the Orange Bowl.
goose said:
posted on October 15, 2006 3:53 PM — 24.190.138.147 — link — abuse?
AgRyan04 - Consider yourself lucky that the 'Canes don't come to Lubbock, and luckier that Texas Tech, who just got clobbered by a winless Colorado team, doesn't visit the Orange Bowl.
yes, agryan, consider yourself lucky. the cane thuggery would likely shoot three players, abuse two cheerleaders, kidnap the coach, punch bevo in the head, and then dance on the logo before still losing 41-3.
then they would write a rap song about it.
AgRyan04 said:
posted on October 15, 2006 3:54 PM — 72.181.60.135 — link — abuse?
scum, I think you missed my point.
First of all I would welcome a Miami clobbering over tech. I welcome, with open arms, anyone clobbering tech.
Secondly, tech's fans have been known to be as troublesome as Miami's players. I was making a reference to the potential fan v. player brawl that would evolve.
Tomcat said:
posted on October 15, 2006 4:50 PM — 70.249.47.216 — link — abuse?
Miami U- Thug U Yes
A Ryan The Hurricanes ought to come to Kyle feild and try something, like playing a quality opponent.
The players involved should be banned from NCAA sports
The University should be placed on permanent suspension from any participation in anything
All the coaches should be fired
All offenders should be arrested- they could spend more time with their daddys in jail
The Orange bowl should be demolished
Tigerman1 said:
posted on October 15, 2006 4:51 PM — 65.188.23.66 — link — abuse?
Let me remind of you of what is at stake. 2 years ago Clemson and South Carolina got into it at Death Valley. All though Clemson claimed to have not started that fight both teams had to forfeit their bowl berths. The ACC and SEC pressured both schools into that conclusion to their seasons. If sportsmanship is respected in this league then Miami would have no problem giving up their post season play since FIU is obviously not going anywhere. Players need to be reminded of their role in sports and to the fans of both schools. 1 game suspensions are a joke in comparison to the thuggery on the field!!!
card-in-Oklahoma said:
posted on October 15, 2006 4:57 PM — 70.233.142.204 — link — abuse?
What a bunch of thugs!!!!Miami football is disgraceful!!!I don't understand how people can support or cheer for a team like this. There should not only be suspensions & scholorships takin away but criminal charges should be pressed for the players kicking people when they were down,swinging helmets,crutches etc.Miami is always looking for a fight.They are so cocky.....and I love it when thy get there butt kicked!!Do that to the FIU's of CFB because you can't do it to Real Teams!!!You saw what happened in Louisville.....THEY GOT BEAT DOWN!!!!You ever wonder what happens to the Miami football players that don't make it to the pro's?Jail.....Drug Dealing or Pimpin there Ho's..... I BET!!!!!!And to think people on this site think the hurricanes will play better the rest of the season because of this...WHAT A SHAME!!!
FanoftheGame said:
posted on October 15, 2006 5:01 PM — 192.251.125.85 — link — abuse?
The "funny thing" about this whole thing is, that when the Miami players were thugging it out and hitting the FIU players with their helmets, you had the Miami cheerleaders running around the field and waving the Miami flag. It was as if we were watching a WWE match or a scene out of the Civil war with the "don't tread on me" flags. Wow, it's one thing to be dopy, it's another to revel in it!
K Hat said:
posted on October 15, 2006 5:04 PM — 4.245.20.104 — link — abuse?
Players kicking others in the head? Using crutches as weapons? Why is FIU and Miami suspending these players and not dismissing them?
Once again, athletes are held to a different standard than the rest of society. If this would have happend outside of a pool hall or bar, the cops would have been arresting everyone is sight, and filling up the paddy wagon.
C-DOGG said:
posted on October 15, 2006 5:11 PM — 24.131.224.89 — link — abuse?
Tomcat,
I don't know who you are but your #11 post shows just how ignorant and racist you are. What does a football brawl have to do with the player's fathers being in jail? You are one major Jacka$$. I'm sure you'll raise children the same way. Congratulations....your parents must be SO PROUD.
C-DOGG said:
posted on October 15, 2006 5:19 PM — 24.131.224.89 — link — abuse?
card-in-Oklahoma,
I can give you 5 reasons why I've been a Canes fan since 1984. Are you ready?? #1)1983 #2)1987 #3)1989 #4)1991 #5)2001. Call us thugs, pimps, drugdealers, or whatever else. Who cares? When your done...call us 5 TIME NATIONAL CHAMPIONS. And yes Louisville whipped us, but remember this....only ONE TEAM will be crowned National Champion at the end of the year and it will NOT be my canes OR YOUR TEAM (Louisville or Oklahoma).
AgRyan04 said:
posted on October 15, 2006 5:42 PM — 72.181.60.135 — link — abuse?
Am I missing something? I hate tech. Why would I argue with you about national championships?
Are you confusing Texas A&M with texas tech? You do realize that Ags are not in any way, shape or form connected to texas tech?
also, what does Tomcat's post have to do with race?card-in-Oklahoma said:
posted on October 15, 2006 5:48 PM — 70.233.142.204 — link — abuse?
C-DOGG,
You are a Joke!!!! Who cares's huh? Obviously not any cane fans!!! When at all cost attitude eventually comes back to bite u in the A$$!!! And in Miami it's already caught up!!!
AND......Don't count my Louisville Cardinals yet!!! That might come back to bite u in the A$$ !!!!AgRyan04 said:
posted on October 15, 2006 5:50 PM — 72.181.60.135 — link — abuse?
and in response to #20....I really don't know why I'm going to defend OU but if you're going to pull the "we've got 5 NCs" card you might want to do it to a school who has fewer than you
http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=300&ATCLID=30520
Dingus said:
posted on October 15, 2006 5:56 PM — 70.108.216.68 — link — abuse?
Whenever there is a fight in college football you can almost guarantee it's (fill in the blank) and Miami. C-DOGG (post #20), sure the 'Canes have won 5 national championships ... congratulations, I'm sure you had a lot to do with all 5 titles. Doesn't being a 5-time champion mean that you're an elite program who should hold itself to a higher standard? Fighting is pathetic ... fighting FIU (regardless of who/what started it) is even more pathetic. Too bad all that will be remembered of the 'Canes this year is another mediocre season and some IDIOT running around swinging his freakin' helmet.
Rock the Swamp said:
posted on October 15, 2006 6:28 PM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?
That fight was exciting, the only problem was that a lot of FIU's players were wussies and wouldnt help out some of the guys that driftd over towards the Miami side. But the FIU players that were fighting were lik they were trying to seriously njure the Miami players, especcially the kicker, he took a beating.
Regan said:
posted on October 15, 2006 7:04 PM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?
LOL...I wrote this last nite, decided to copy-and-paste it for today; looks like I was a little too late for the sarcasm to hit home...eh, better luck next time...
I know the second that ‘Cane players get into the news for any reason, the haters come out swinging, screaming ‘Thug U’, etc.Before the haters start screaming though, please notice the following:
1) The brawl was started by FIU players.
2) Of the ‘brawl highlights’, only one ‘Cane went over the line – Anthony Reddick struck an FIU player with his helmet, after he saw his teammate being kicked in the stomach.
3) Eight FIU players were ejected to five Hurricanes.Brawls are a black eye to the sport, and the vast majority of us agree with that. I’m not going to say anyone was innocent here, but I’m really sick of people who have a “Miami is Thug U” mindset like Reagan was still president.
What’s funny is that absolutely nothing I say can stop them – they will be posting and the posts will be absurd and not based on reason. All I can say is that what happened in the OB was terrible on both sides, should be condemned all around, and that should be it.
Let’s see…..
C-DOGG said:
posted on October 15, 2006 7:11 PM — 24.131.224.89 — link — abuse?
I love fighting with you "cane haters"...it's so easy to get under your skin. Allow me to repeat myself NO ONE HAS MORE TITLES IN THE LAST 25 YEARS THAN MIAMI. Yes we are thugs and that image will never change (thanks to the teams of the 1980's). But so is every other team that got into fights before, during, or after games. Do I need to start naming teams?? (Texas vs OU) (Florida vs. Florida State) (Ohio State vs. Michigan)(Alabama vs. Auburn). The list goes on and on and on and on and on......
C-DOGG said:
posted on October 15, 2006 7:19 PM — 24.131.224.89 — link — abuse?
AgRyan04
you are the only one that I will respond to personally because I feel that what Tomcat said in post #11 was RACIST. I will quote it word for word..."all offenders should be arrested- THEY SHOULD SPEND MORE TIME WITH THEIR DADDYS IN JAIL". Here is my gripe.... 99% OF THE PLAYERS FIGHTING WERE BLACK. So what does that say about his statement? As far as the rest of you "Cane Haters" listen up...if you are not a Michigan, Ohio State, or USC fan, your team will be taking home NO NATIONAL TITLES THIS YEAR JUST LIKE MY CANES.
C-DOGG said:
posted on October 15, 2006 7:26 PM — 24.131.224.89 — link — abuse?
AgRyan04,
Excuse me for confusing Texas Tech with Texas A&M. I stand corrected. All the other responses to everone else I meant. Hate us all you want....championships usually bring out the haters. Thats all I care about is CHAMPIONSHIPS. Yes I'm another spoiled Canes Fan. TWO DECADES OF WINNING HAS THAT EFFECT ON US.
C-DOGG said:
posted on October 15, 2006 8:09 PM — 24.131.224.89 — link — abuse?
Attention Cane Haters:
Like I said before....I enjoy getting under your skin. If you want my response to anything else you post in this section, here it is......1983, 1987, 1989, 1991, 2001. Talk to me in January if your team has the NATIONAL TITLE. If you don't...shut up:)
ThatGuy said:
posted on October 15, 2006 8:23 PM — 151.213.162.17 — link — abuse?
It's terrible that this happened. I don't care if it's Miami and FIU or Clemson and South Carolina or who ever, it's inexcusable behavior.
Two decades of winning doesn't excuse this sort of stupidty. I hear Miami people talk about how they want the 'swagger' back with their program, but someone needs to tell the kids that this isn't the way to do it. For instance, the jumping on the logo at Louisville...how bad was that? The only thing that would have made the better is if the Louisville team would have just stood on their sideline and let Miami act like bafoons, then went out there and kicked their asses like they did.
And this was FIU...Miami, you let FIU get under your skin enough to get into this fight. Come on, really...that's what makes it funny. If it was FSU, I'd say, "Well, I could see how this could happen...too big schools, hated rivalry, etc" But FIU? Seriously, that really tells me how classless Miami is this year, if they let FIU bait them into a fight!
Yeah, some people call Miami Thug U...then again, when was the last time you saw their football team do anything to dispell that myth? Miami seems to enjoy it...that's why there are can haters, that's why people call you Thug U.
Austin said:
posted on October 15, 2006 8:42 PM — 130.74.4.9 — link — abuse?
C-Dogg Miami doesnt even have the National title....how can you talk? Your team is pathetic. Quit living in the past. You and the rest of your fans and players and coaches are a disgrace to football everywhere. OOOO you have won more titles the past 25 years then anyone. Well this isnt 1983, 1987, 1989, 1991, or 2001. Move on and realize that your team and coaches and fans are pathetic
#1CollegeFootballFan said:
posted on October 15, 2006 8:51 PM — 65.60.236.132 — link — abuse?
C-DOGG,
5 MNC's in the last 20+ years.
Is that suppose to impress us?
Billingsley’s All Time Top Programs, has Miami #15.
http://www.cfrc.com/Archives/Top_Programs_2005.htmTake a good look at all the GREATER college football programs above and below Miami. All of which, have more class in their little fingers.
C-DOGG said:
posted on October 15, 2006 10:00 PM — 24.131.224.89 — link — abuse?
Before I go to bed....Post#32....good night:) We'll continue this tomorrow. Hint for tomorrow?.....Think Post #32, Think Post #32, Think......post......#32.................Think...............Post.........#32.......Think............Post..................#32..........
posted on October 15, 2006 10:23 PM — link — abuse?
UPDATE: The ACC has ordered 13 Miami players suspended for one game (Duke).
Following a thorough review of available video footage, the ACC and the University of Miami have issued one-game suspensions to Carlos Armour, Chris Barney, James Bryant, Tyrone Byrd, DajLeon Farr, Ryan Hill, Bruce Johnson, Charlie Jones, Brandon Meriweather, Brian Monroe, Derrick Morse, Randy Phillips and Anthony Reddick.
FAUDIEHARD said:
posted on October 15, 2006 10:25 PM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?
I can not believe what kinda wussess some of you people are. I cannot say that I was a Cane fan before, but I sure as heck am now. They did nothing wrong except stand up for themselves and they are getting ripped apart for it. For all you that think they are wrong, let me come over to your house and punch you in the face and see how you react...Wake-up! It is either kill or be killed!!!
AgRyan04 said:
posted on October 15, 2006 10:43 PM — 72.181.60.135 — link — abuse?
You are certainly not helping yourself in any way, shape or form.
Miami winning 5 NCs in 20 years has nothing to do with what happened Saturday. Miami continues to recruit players that are fringe members of society and this is what happens.
I hope that while you sleep you can come up with a more creative retort than "We won 5 national championships".
Also, if only fans of the team who still have a chance to win this season's national championship are allowed to contribute here, I suggest you follow your own policy because you are at least 10 posts overdue.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on October 15, 2006 10:56 PM — 68.49.176.53 — link — abuse?
FAUDIEHARD, last time I checked.... I don't recall the referees issuing M-16's and Survival Knives before kickoff. So I don't exactly know where your comment exactly belongs on here. I think I do know that the reason that so many people are trashing Miami though? It just seems as if this sort of thing is a neverending story at the U.
truth said:
posted on October 15, 2006 10:57 PM — 68.235.129.104 — link — abuse?
the whole game fiu players were talkign and takeing cheap shots, it was terible they are a bunch of thugs. miami should not be to blame for the fight because some guy celebrated after a tuchdown. . if your place holder is geting beat up and your kicker is geting slamed and you see more and more of your oposing team is atacking your players out of fustraction because they are being embaressed and out played you wouldnt go out there and try to help your brothers?? its a shame that miami acepted to play fiu so fiu could get some publicity and then they start a fight on miamis home turf. people talk about class but if you here the interviews all the miami players were class acts,mean while all week in the news paper fiu talked about all the stuff they were gona do to miami and were mad because miami didnt take them in, well maby this is why. its also a shame that everyone is puting all the blame on miami and none on fiu. i feel that miami hasnt been playing up to the way they should be every game but then if you look at them agenst vt a year ago when everyone thought they would lose they got serius and went out and dominated, and after that fight thats just what they did to fiu. personally im an fsu fan and hate to say this but fiu might have woken a sleeping giant.
here come the hurricanesTomcat said:
posted on October 15, 2006 11:59 PM — 69.151.96.63 — link — abuse?
This kinda behavior cannot be tolerated, one game suspenstion is not appropriate punishment for such an offense.
These players should be held accountable for their actions.Student atheletes should set an example for others and show some class and dignity.Noble conduct demestraiting pride and respect for yourself and your opponents.
Violence can only result in three things
Jail
Hospital
Graveyard
To condone this type of infration is to endorse this behavior is wrong and criminal.Mooka said:
posted on October 16, 2006 4:10 AM — 138.163.0.41 — link — abuse?
Can you actually feel a punch in the head when you have a helmet on? You would think that would hurt the dumb a__ who decided to throw the punch more. HAHA. If I were involved I would probably just strap up and say, Okay, gimme your best shot retards.
Bill McKnight said:
posted on October 16, 2006 5:03 AM — 24.144.94.76 — link — abuse?
From the outside looking in, the UM/FIU brawl is simply a reflection of the long held image of the Miami metropolitan area.
The citizens of Miami don't understand, or maybe don't care, that when people decide how to spend their college road trip football dollars, a trip to Miami is about as appealing as a root canal.
I have lived in central Florida for 50 years. 30 years ago I wouldn't drive through Miami at a high rate of speed without a Pistol. Seeing the latest offering from the UM/FIU, I would rather attend a college football game in Bagdad, Iraq.
People vote with their dollars. Miami will never get mine.
Dingus said:
posted on October 16, 2006 6:48 AM — 70.108.216.68 — link — abuse?
C-DOGG throws around the national championships like Wonder Woman's golden bracelets--those championships, in his mind, insulate him from the cold truth that Miami's reputation was built by them and continues to be upheld by them ... notice he has no response for the classless jumping on Louisville's logo (and losing 31-7) ... but, according to C-DOGG, since I don't have a national championship, I can't talk. So don't take my word for it, but please do read further:
This is from CNN/SI--
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/ncaa/10/15/miami.suspensions.ap/index.html?cnn=yesIt's the third on-field incident involving the Hurricanes in their last seven games. And there's been plenty of off-the-field ones, too.
-- Several Miami players fought with LSU players following the Tigers' 40-3 win in the Peach Bowl, a brawl that quickly escalated into an out-of-control melee in the tunnel leading from the field.
-- Shortly before the Miami-Louisville game Sept. 16, virtually the entire Hurricanes' roster jumped on the Cardinals logo at midfield -- an act widely viewed as a taunting gesture. Afterward, several Miami players chided teammates for their involvement in that incident.
-- A Miami player was shot outside his home shortly before training camp began in what players contend was a robbery attempt. Meriweather returned fire at the alleged assailants. Police said he acted legally.
-- Wide receiver Ryan Moore, who was sent home from the Peach Bowl for violating team rules, was suspended for the first two games of 2006 for other violations. He is expected to be charged this week with misdemeanors stemming from an August fight with a woman. He hasn't played this season.
And now, perhaps, comes the worst blow of them all, a melee that was out of hand within seconds of starting.
But I guess we should ignore that and think 1983, 1987, 1989, 1991, 2001.
What about 2006?
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on October 16, 2006 8:19 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
I love reading this post and realizing just how stupid most of the people that hate Miami are. The problems started well before Bryant bowed to the crowd, they started when the FIU player speared a prone Hurricane after the interseption. A player bowing to the crowd doesn't give the other team permission to tackle a holder, punch and kick him in the head. That is what caused the shoving match to escalate. This incident goes to show the major difference between the SEC and the ACC. An LSU thug swings a helmet at a Miami player and doesn't get suspended for it, but a Miami player swings a helmet at an FIU player and is suspended indefinately.
easternfan said:
posted on October 16, 2006 9:48 AM — 67.72.98.83 — link — abuse?
Try to remember its CF, not a World War. Its not kill or be killed. I have said for years UM is a bunch of thugs that if it werent for football would be in prison. This is just another example. Wait till they play VaTech, bring your uzi, youll need it.
Jill said:
posted on October 16, 2006 9:52 AM — 209.194.64.106 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane, you must be SOOOOOOO PROUD! You know being an "Alumnus" and all! I can only hope Louisville does not keep the series going between these two schools. I don't care what Miami has done in the past 100 years, you better hold on to it because it will be a LONG LONG time before that program sees another National Championship. What parent would want to send their Kid to that school? This is no longer about fans being Loyal to their school. FIU may have started all of it but it is Miami that will get all of the negative press & those Miami players just nailed the coffin shut on Larry Coker! Miami's image to the Nation right now is REALLY REALLY BAD! And that is a shame because it is going to be very strange not seeing Miami ranked in the coming years. Going to the Orange Bowl to play will just not be what it used to be. If you do not think what happened on saturday will have any negative impact on your recruiting then you really have some serious problems nad need to take off your orange colored glasses! Go Cards!!
Dingus said:
posted on October 16, 2006 10:01 AM — 65.120.217.122 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane (#52)--I think it's impossible for anyone to say for a fact how the rumble started. I mean, were you out on the field? BOTH teams are responsible for the fight and an IDIOT FIU player swinging a crutch should be suspended just as long as an IDIOT UM player hitting people with his helmet. Please don't tell me that swinging a helmet or a crutch at people is "standing up for the team" or "defending myself."
I think Miami has been a great football program and has obviously set a high standard ... that being said, how can you look at the history of behavior from UM's football team and wonder why people, including me, hate on them?
S.C.U.M. said:
posted on October 16, 2006 10:22 AM — 209.168.248.130 — link — abuse?
Dingus - Take a look around, there are no saints in college football. The only difference here is that Miami was involved.
Bill McKnight - A little overly dramatic? I live in Miami and don't own a gun or drive at a high rate of speed. Typical, though.
To all - The 'Canes are down now, however 5 Championships in 25 years is pretty remarkable (also, when I say "down" I mean in 'Canes terms. How many other teams have only one losing season since 1979?). True, other teams have more championships all time, but name a better dynasty in recent history.
posted on October 16, 2006 10:30 AM — link — abuse?
SCUM - Miami has skins on the wall, without question. None of that legacy erases what happened Saturday. As you can see, though, the antithesis is almost true - what happened blots out that proud legacy.
S.C.U.M. said:
posted on October 16, 2006 11:04 AM — 209.168.248.130 — link — abuse?
Kevin Donahue - Definitely not recommended activity on the part of either team. But I think there is a legitimate difference in treatment by the media (fans too).
When Louisville players started fighting with 'Canes players (in protection of their logo), no one blamed the Louisville players for their reaction. But when 'Canes players protect their own (after a player was tackled after the play and repeatedly punched and kicked), it's the 'Canes fault and another example of an out-of-control program.
I understand that FIU has suspensions too, but overall the blame has been placed on the 'Canes, as if there was something they could have done to prevent FIU players from tackling their player to the ground and punching him in the head. There was one team that was looking for a fight in that game, and it wasn't the 'Canes.
Unfortunately, the Hurricanes' reputation precedes the current players, and there will continue to be a double standard.
sean said:
posted on October 16, 2006 11:50 AM — 209.82.168.215 — link — abuse?
Some of you are obvious Cane haters and idiots as well. FIU started all of this, but Regan is right, Miami doesn't need any more bad PR or distractions. Plenty of other college football palyers get in trouble, but undoubtedly, we get the worst press coverage. A couple of our players need to be suspended longer than one game for their actions.
Yeah, this will probably be the end for "Choker," thank God, but we still have to play a lot of football.
BBB... Bring back Butch, or if he won't come, Greg Schiano!
Go Canes
Jill said:
posted on October 16, 2006 11:52 AM — 209.194.64.106 — link — abuse?
When Miami was stomping on Louisville's Logo it was what it was Miami acting like what the whole nation feels about them a bunch of thugs out there acting like morons showing absolutely no class what so ever. It was Louisville's coaches trying their best to prevent a brawl before the game even started. Miami's coaches were pushing & shoving right along with their players. That was the one thing I could not believe. Miami did their best to try to engage Louisville's players into a fight before the game. So why was Saturday any different? Obviously Miami did not know the number of points that Louisville wins by every time a team does that. Cincinnati did that the year before them & got beat 70-7. It shows a lack of class PERIOD!It should not be allowed in college football or any other college sport. Because as you have seen from saturday's game in the orange bowl someone is going to get hurt one of these days and for what? It's not like FIU is in Miami's league or ever will be for that matter!
ThatGuy said:
posted on October 16, 2006 12:18 PM — 207.230.144.240 — link — abuse?
I don't think it should matter who started the fight, both teams should get more then a slap on the wrist for this sort of thing. The whole "well they started it" defense is just weak. It's FIU for the love of God!!! If you feel you need to get in a fight because you you feel you need to protect your turf against FIU, that tells me you're just looking for any excuse to get in a fight and act like idiots. Gee, no wonder everyone thinks Miami is a bunch of thugs despite whatever they've won in the past. Imagine if Miami had done nothing but go out there and beat FIU by playing tough (versus trying to act tough)...more people would be talking about how bad the FIU players were for acting all stupid and Miami might have had a better image walking off off the field with a win.
C-DOGG said:
posted on October 16, 2006 12:39 PM — 24.131.224.89 — link — abuse?
Thanks Tommy Trojan and Sean for your fair opinion of the situation. What players out there will sit back and watch their fellow teammate get beat up while standing by doing nothing about it? I wouldn't want to be a part of a team that doesn't come to my defense in a situation like that. By the way....we'll beat Duke with our 3rd stringers in the game. They can get their revenge in basketball. Go Canes!
Dingus said:
posted on October 16, 2006 1:17 PM — 65.120.217.122 — link — abuse?
SCUM, of course there are plenty of idiots/thugs/whatever in college football ... and in every sport. But the "we're not the only bad guys" defense is weak! I don't understand how you can factually back up your statement that only FIU was looking for a fight ... as if FIU was the only team talking trash on the field. C'mon, were you there? Did you hear everything everyone said? Of course not. You're absolutely right ... an FIU player punching a Miami player is ridiculous and should be treated harshly ... but how in the world does that excuse some dude smacking people with his helmet? I'm still waiting for you (or anyone) to explain to me how that specific action is "defending a player?"
As far as I can tell, no one is saying FIU doesn't deserve just as much punishment as UM. But it seems no UM "supporter" is willing to take any share of the blame. That's shameful.
There may be some ... SOME ... merit to the "media hates us" logic that some of you all are using. Well, why do you think the media "hates" Miami? Your football team constantly gives the media negative stuff to write about and, like they should, they write about it. Gee, maybe if this stuff didn't happen and you guys focused on playing ball, this media "bias" would wither away.
CANE4LIFE said:
posted on October 16, 2006 2:05 PM — 71.16.22.66 — link — abuse?
I've been on this site many of tims and read many of comments but this is the first time I felt that I need to post a comment myself. TomCat, who ever you are, I agree with C-Dogg all the way you are one ignorant and racist s.o.b. for you to make a comment like that."they could spend more time with their daddys in jail" I have had family members and very close friends that has been apart of the Miami football program, and not one of them, let me repeat, not ONE of them has ever had any problems with the law and their Daddy's are not and have never been in jail. And anybody's who's ever been on any kind of team sport knows the closeness of team players, and if you do know this, than you will know that no team member is going to sit back and watch there team mates get the snot kicked out of them. So haters, keep hating cause you all are just the fuel to Miami fire, and when it explods I will be there watching Miami stomp on every team that comes their way.(on the score board of course :-))
S.C.U.M. said:
posted on October 16, 2006 2:13 PM — 209.168.248.130 — link — abuse?
Dingus - I WAS there, were you? Did you even watch the game, or was the clip above and the media hype all that you know?
I'm not apologizing for the actions of a few players, but I don't want this to spin into some overhyped situation that ends playing careers, gets people sent to jail, or ends football programs. Most of the players on both teams acted responsibly (hence the Coker comments). Some players acted irresponsibly. This is not grounds for dismantling the program.
posted on October 16, 2006 2:38 PM — link — abuse?
CANE4LIFE - you said no team member is going to sit back and watch there team mates get the snot kicked out of them.
Kyle Wright did. He just sat back and stayed the hell out of the way. Is he a lesser Hurricane?
CANE4LIFE said:
posted on October 16, 2006 3:14 PM — 71.16.22.66 — link — abuse?
Kevin, I wouldn't say he's a lesser Hurricane becasue I would never down talk a Cane anways. But then again Kyle Wright is not aggressive enough for me on the field so I wouldn't expect him to take a punch for anybody. The point I was trying to make was that whether its jummping in trying to stop it or whatever most teammates are not just going to watch another teammate get jumped. This is why comment #46 is about the best one on here. Just watching the clip of the way they were kicking the kicker or place holder(not sure which it was), hell i wanted to run out on the field and get to kicking myself and i don't know either of them boys from a whole in a wall, so I could just imagine how the teammates felt.
posted on October 16, 2006 5:56 PM — link — abuse?
UPDATE: The ACC and Miami have announced that safety Anthony Reddick has been extended indefinitely. Also, players involved in the fight will be subject to "additional measures", including community service and other unspecified actions.
"After thinking this through last night, Paul Dee and I agreed this morning that additional measures were needed regarding Anthony Redick and the use of his helmet during Saturday's incident,” said ACC Commissioner John Swofford.
UMfan said:
posted on October 16, 2006 6:42 PM — 72.153.108.135 — link — abuse?
Ok, I have to put my sense in now.
First of all, when you look at the tape, UM DID NOT start the fight to begin with. The fight escalated from FIU when their players started to kick and punch the MIA placeholder and the kicker...from there, you know the rest. Yes, Miami has been known in the past to have some rowdy a-- players, but in this case, I think the players were in the right to come to aid of other players. Now 31 players have been suspended (16 indefinitely for FIU, 2 players completely kicked off the team...13 players from MIA with about 3-6 suspended for more than one game, some for 1 game only, and a couple who are suspended indefinitely as well.
The whole fight was pretty stupid being that FIU didn't have a chance in the first place and just got upset. Miami acted on the fight because other players were being kicked and punched around. I think the punishment fits the crime because regardless of what team it was, every team should conduct themselves in a professional manner...that was completely the opposite in this case. But like I said before, I don't fault MIA players at all since they didn't initially start the fight to begin with.
Regan said:
posted on October 16, 2006 7:43 PM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
ThatGuy (#33):
You apparently aren’t getting our point.The Miami players that fought are 50% responsible for the brawl and should be disciplined. NO EXCUSES.
The FIU players that fought are 50% responsible for the brawl and should be disciplined. NO EXCUSES.Just because one team might not be able to hang with another on the scoreboard doesn’t mean they are capable of causing physical harm.
You claim that Miami is classless because they “let FIU bait them into a fight”. If my one of my best buds were attacked by someone, I’m not going to sit there; I’m going to get out there and doing what I’ve got to do to protect my friend. You would too – don’t even try to deny it…
As far as Miami trying to dispel the myth of ‘Thug U’, I could point out the fact that no ‘Cane has been arrested while they played for Miami in OVER A DECADE, but that might end this pleasant debate a little too soon…
Regan said:
posted on October 16, 2006 7:47 PM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
FAUDIEHARD (#42):
Welcome to the club, buddy. While I wouldn’t label it as ‘kill or be killed’, I wouldn’t be able to sit there and watch as my friends get attacked – not in a parking lot or in the Orange Bowl.I myself would have tried to pull my guys away from a brawl and not join it – but if I had to keep someone from smack a friend in the face with a crutch, I WOULD.
Thanks for the backup :)
Regan said:
posted on October 16, 2006 7:56 PM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
Tomcat (#47):
On philosophical grounds, I agree with you. I don’t want anyone to get the opinion I am condoning the spectacle we all saw. My issue is that all too often Miami gets blamed for the whole shabam because of an impression of the ‘Canes that hasn’t been true since 1991.In any case, your logic is simple and true; in post 47 at least…
Regan said:
posted on October 16, 2006 7:58 PM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
Bill McKnight (#50):
Hey, I won’t knock your reasoning. I won’t speak one way or another on the area itself. Since I’m not from south Florida I am not an authority on the matter.I don’t believe that the area was a major factor in the brawl, but I have been wrong before…
Regan said:
posted on October 16, 2006 8:00 PM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane (#52):
“An LSU thug swings a helmet at a Miami player and doesn't get suspended for it, but a Miami player swings a helmet at an FIU player and is suspended indefinately.”THANK YOU. THIS IS ALL I’M SAYING….and you managed to put it so well in just one post….
posted on October 16, 2006 9:47 PM — link — abuse?
I can't believe you guys. You know, if you're proud of what Miami has come to represent, then I guess you should keep defending them. I know there are a lot of Miami boosters who are sick of this sh*t and want to get back to winning championships.
posted on October 16, 2006 10:25 PM — link — abuse?
Sorry, Dogg, Tomcat is NOT a racist. He didn't mention race - he ripped the guys that were fighting. From the video & pictures, that would include black, white, and latino players. If what he said was offensive to some, then at least he is an equal opportunity offender. Chill.
LFL said:
posted on October 16, 2006 10:29 PM — 69.86.32.9 — link — abuse?
Isn't this just the sort of behavior that these unruly and uneducated "southern types" of people typically engage in and then complain endlessly to the media about negative stereotypes? You'd never see this common, street thug behavior at USC or Stanford, or...ugh! even UCLA for christ's sake.
Such a pity their parents didn't bring them up with better manners. I mean, that is, if some of these players even know who their parents are.
VOLPIMP said:
posted on October 17, 2006 12:04 AM — 208.0.27.10 — link — abuse?
I agree the comment wasn't racist, tasteless maybe, I was with him until the "daddy's in jail" comment. That probably could be looked at as racist if you go with stereotypes. Anyway, it's sad to say but with the two schools being so close to each other what are the odds of this spilling out into the public? No racism intended, but I'm sure there are gang affiliated players on both squads, you know it won't end there if that's the case. The NCAA should take the lead in this one, Miami has had two brawls in the last 6 or 7 games, that's ridiculous, no matter who started it. The whole gangster, us against the world, stomping on the logo crap needs to be squashed, period. Not just where Miami is concerned, but everyone, Miami just does it more and in my opinion it should be dealt with, simply because it leads to stuff like what happened Saturday. The U has enough problems right now without all this, and the alumni who have an ounce of respect for the game should be screaming right now for change, not looking at this with pride, that's a disgrace, spin it all you want.
C-DOGG said:
posted on October 17, 2006 8:21 AM — 24.131.224.89 — link — abuse?
Kevin.
You obviously are oblivious to a term called racial stereotyping. 99% of the players were black. I sure hope you are not a politician or the CEO of a company. Your "turning a blind eye" attitude would effect too many people.
C-DOGG said:
posted on October 17, 2006 8:25 AM — 24.131.224.89 — link — abuse?
Volpimp,
You are the first (I believe) to bring out a different angle on this story. These guys will run into each other on the South Beach strip or in a club...so this story may not be over for a while. Let's face it, this may will spill over into the streets probably as soon as football season is over.
OU Fan said:
posted on October 17, 2006 8:32 AM — 72.161.216.69 — link — abuse?
C-Dogg, how the hell is what Tomcat posted racist?? And then, how is Kevin Donahue a racist? There is nothing at all that they said that was racists or offensive in any sort of way. Tomcat was talking about violence. Just please explain to me how that was racist because I am not seeing it. And how the hell did Kevin Donahue stereotype?? I hope that Miami players stomp on the OU logo in Owen Field so they can get slaughtered in Norman just like Louisville did to them. Go Sooners!
Tomcat said:
posted on October 17, 2006 1:13 PM — 70.245.21.9 — link — abuse?
Hey C-Dogg answer these questions
Have you or a family member ever been a victom of a violent crime?
Have you ever been convicted of a felony?
Have you ever inflicked a serious injury upon another human being?
My answer is yes to all three questions.
This is a very seriuos problem with our society, it effects everybody including myself.If you dont understand refer to post#47
Jail
Hospital
Graveyard
Regan said:
posted on October 17, 2006 2:53 PM — 192.24.243.21 — link — abuse?
Kevin Donahue (#82):
I for one am not proud of Miami players' roles in the brawl, and most 'Cane fans are right there with me. I don't want you or anyone to get the wrong impression on the issue - we all DO want this crap to go away and get back to the Dorsey NC era we had 5 years ago.
When Hurricane fans talk about the 'swagger', they (all else equal) DO NOT mean brawling like the children on the field last Saturday.
We are not proud of the players' actions and condemn them 100%, even though I for one admit I would have made the same mistake had I watched my friends get attacked on the field.
OUR ISSUE is that because it is MIAMI, it is ten times more magnified. Because it is MIAMI, no one bothers mentioning FIU players' roles in the debacle.
Case in point: Gene Wojciechowski's article on ESPN.com:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2628365
Sure, 3/4 into the tirade, he admits that FIU players are responsible as well, but THE BLAME IS ALWAYS ON MIAMI, FIRST AND FOREMOST, NO MATTER WHAT...
As Tampa Hurricane noted in an earlier post, where was the uproar when an LSU player hit a Miami player with a helmet in the Peach Brawl?
When it's anywhere else, they should be suspended...but at Miami, we should kill them and burn their bodies!
LOL, sarcasm intended, bud - You are being fair on the issue, Kevin; I just had to rant because I didn't want you to get the wrong impression of the majority of 'Cane fans...we are tough to read sometimes. :)Esmooth said:
posted on October 17, 2006 4:26 PM — 66.80.87.66 — link — abuse?
Alright, lets be fair here. As a fan of UM, I am willing to admit that the program has gotten out of hand. I love my hurricanes, but it is a shame when the players can't control thier behavior. I believe in showing respect for your opponent and respect for yourself and it has been a long time since I have seen it from my hurricanes. We need a fresh start with a new coach, a new attitude, and a tougher recruiting practice to weed out troublemakers. It is a sad time for Hurricane football.
S.C.U.M. said:
posted on October 17, 2006 5:40 PM — 209.168.248.130 — link — abuse?
Esmooth - I believe you when you say you're a Hurricane fan, but when have the 'Canes ever shown respect for their opponents?
To all - I understand that this is news because it doesn't happen in college football everyday. But this is not the first time a fight has ever happened in sports. I played high school football (not in South Florida) and the exact same thing happened, helmet swinging and all (except the guy with the crutches wasn't there). Nothing happened. No forfeits, no suspensions, nothing. The difference here, besides the obvious high school/ college difference, is it's Miami.
posted on October 17, 2006 10:52 PM — link — abuse?
nole4life - your Harlem comments are out of line. Clean it up or run off to some forum that will tolerate that crap.
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birdbrain said:
posted on October 15, 2006 11:03 AM — 65.34.236.10 — link — abuse?you left out the FIU player who came off the sidelines with crutches and started hitting players with them.
FIU is the winner, cuz although they were beaten on the field and on the scoreboard, nobody has any expectations for them.