June 2, 2007
Larry Coker: I want to coach
Larry Coker has a national championship, six seasons with an average 10 wins, a track record at a big time BCS school,... and nothing to do on Saturdays. Coker, who was fired from the Miami Hurricanes after last season, is sitting out a year but definitely wants to return to coaching, according to a new ESPN.com feature on the former Canes coach.
Five months after his final game at Miami, Coker stays busy by traveling around the country visiting relatives, vacationing in Las Vegas, watching football practice in Arkansas and speaking to fans in Alabama.He enjoys that, but it's not enough. He wants another job, another chance to prove himself.
"There's no doubt in my mind -- I want to coach," Coker, who has shunned most requests to talk in recent months, said Friday in an interview with The Associated Press. "I'm not burned out. I'm not shot. I've got energy."
I've said before that I thought firing Coker was a mistake, but I understand why Miami pulled the trigger. In the end, both sides might be better off.
I think we'll see Larry Coker on the sidelines again soon. The only question is... where? With all the hot seat coaches, there's a legit chance Coker will get a shot in the coming year.
If things don't work for Coach Fran, I'd love to see Coker at Texas A&M. I would think he would also be a candidate at Arkansas if Nutt is fired, but -- and I'm just being honest here -- I'm not sure any coach sees Arkansas as a good job after the way the fans have hung Nutt in effigy this year.
Comments:
Joe said:
posted on June 2, 2007 12:59 PM — 65.32.170.228 — link — abuse?
JMO but Coker was made too much of a scapegoat for much of Miami's problems just like Jeff Bowden at FSU.
Prediction he will be back in Division one after next season. One look at his pedigree shows that.
Division-II,III, OR NAIA? Are you being serious? You are joking right?C-DOGG said:
posted on June 2, 2007 6:16 PM — 76.188.187.161 — link — abuse?
(#5) Simple answer to that Gatorhippy.......6-6. We Canes fans are spoiled. His time was up & the players didn't respect his authority (See FIU brawl). Just because I wanted him gone doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the NATIONAL TITLE and going UNDEFEATED against your mighty Gators. Anymore questions????
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 2, 2007 8:33 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
C-Dogg (#6):
Just two...
So you DIDN'T appreciate Coker bringing UCG full circle to 1997 (5-6) with losses to such "mighty" teams as Clemson, UNC, GT (twice), L-Ville, and Maryland...
Or the lack of a conference title since joining a somewhat real football conference in the ACC?
Zac said:
posted on June 2, 2007 9:30 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Before taking over as the Canes Head Coach, Coker wasn't a bad Offensive Coordinator. I'm somewhat surprised, with the loss of Jimbo Fisher, that LSU didn't try to pick him up, or at least talk to him. In any event, he will wind up somewhere, even if it's a place like Baylor, FIU, UAB, or E Carolina. It's still coaching. If he really loves the game, that in of itself should be enough.
C-DOGG said:
posted on June 2, 2007 10:12 PM — 76.188.187.161 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, (#7)
When your done giving me Miami's growing pains in the ACC, please remind me who was President the last time Florida beat Miami? If it took you longer than 5 seconds to answer....'THE U' OWNS U. When your done doing that research on Wikipedia, then remind me how many National Titles Florida has. Have you guys even caught Florida State yet? You have to catch them before you can reach us, us, us, us,us. (sorry for that 5 TIME STUDDER).
Gator allow me to set you straight. There are two sets of fans that you should never pick a fight with.....Miami fans and USC fans. Win some more titles and I will remove the "little brother" label off of your Gator Pampers;o)
P.S. We even took your reject QB (Brock Berlin) and embarassed you guys with one of the sweetest comebacks in college football history. You thought you finally had us didn't you? You should have waited to celebrate.
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 2, 2007 10:46 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
C-DOGG (#9):
Easy there, chief...
Nobody is picking a "fight"...
Just looking for honest answers...
I was a little confused in that you were proclaiming your "love" for Coker while knowing that barely half a year ago you wanted his balls in a sling...
I believe that previously I have given you my opinion on UCG and the amount of respect I have for the Hurricanes program...
http://www.fanblogs.com/miami/006775.php
However...
It doesn't mean I'm above jabbin' a few friendly barbs...
As far as putting USC and UCG in the same boat...
When UCG wins 5 more titles...
They can start mentioning themselves in the same breath as the Trojans...
Until then...
They can share the Pamper box with the Gators and Noles...
C-DOGG said:
posted on June 2, 2007 10:58 PM — 76.188.187.161 — link — abuse?
O.K. gatorhippy....it's stutter. It's nice to know that you have dictionary.com as your screen saver;o) Thanks for waking me up in 2007, I haven't had a good smackoff yet. I'll save some of my A game smack for the fall.
You have to excuse me for a while....I live 25 minutes from Quicken Loans arena. I need to watch the Cavs make my year or BREAK MY HEART!
goodolnuma5 said:
posted on June 2, 2007 11:47 PM — 65.24.221.145 — link — abuse?
Hey, he's a GOOOOD coach. You dont let let 'im go to waste. Let him in the NFL if college dont want im.
Regan said:
posted on June 3, 2007 12:24 AM — 64.12.116.77 — link — abuse?
Coker is a good coach, and could/should easily get another DI job.
I have long held to the theory that timing and location are arguably the most important factors for a coach being successful.
Some Cases in Point:
1) Bear Bryant (good at Alabama, bad at UK and Texas A&M)
2) Lou Holtz (good at ND, mediocre at South Carolina)
3) Danny Ford (good at Clemson, 'eh' at Arkansas)
4) John Mackovic (decent at Texas, nearly provoked riots at Arizona)
Does anyone think that Steve Spurrier will ever lead South Carolina to anything resembling Florida's success in the '90's?
Good coaches need the Time/Place 'Luck Factors' to bounce their way. Would Bob Stoops and Jim Tressel be nearly as successful if they were in each others' spots?
I will concede that Urban Meyer and a few others keep this from being a common truth; so for now I still call it a "theory". :-)
Gatorpilot said:
posted on June 3, 2007 12:25 AM — 71.42.27.135 — link — abuse?
As usual, Cane fans start whipping out the history books instead of last season's record...
Yes, Miami has more NCs. Yes, they've embarassed us all too many times in games we've played. Sucks.
The crystal balls we've enjoyed in football and basketball in the last couple of years more than make up for it.
However, I truly believe that Miami's in the midst of a long slide toward irrelevance. When Randy Shannon fails to do much of anything -- and I don't think that's a farfetched possibility -- in the next few years, who are they gonna hire? The special teams coach? Heh, heh.
Regan said:
posted on June 3, 2007 12:30 AM — 64.12.116.77 — link — abuse?
Gatorpilot (#15):
Miami will be back, just as Florida was after they clawed out of the mid-Zook years when ESPN released polls in which most CF fans said that they no longer considered the Gators to be among the College Football elite. Look where your guys are now just four years later.
There is far too much passion, history, and local talent in Miami to consider the 'Canes destined for the land of mediocrity.
What so many people forget is that Miami was even worse shape in 1997 than they were in 2006; and look where they were just four years later...
C-DOGG said:
posted on June 3, 2007 7:40 AM — 76.188.187.161 — link — abuse?
@Gatorpilot- In 1994 (or 95') SI ran a cover that suggested that Miami should shut down its football program. If we can survive that (pell grant scandal, etc) and win another title, surely we can survive a slow start in the ACC.
@Gatorhippy- Thanks for the Love for the Cavs. They will definitely need it against the mighty Spurs.
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on June 3, 2007 1:06 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
Gatorpilot post #19 I agree with you, this is a must year for the Canes. Another 6-6 season or 7 win season will indicate a prolbem. You think everyting is ok in Coral Gables? Since becoming a member of the ACC, the Canes winning percentage in conference play in .583 This is the fifth best.
Gatorboy40 said:
posted on June 4, 2007 12:30 AM — 138.163.160.44 — link — abuse?
Reagan post #18,,,Steve is a great coach, no doubt. Its a question of, if he can get his type of athletes. When he was at Fl, it made it easier for him to recruit there, besides alot of coaches no his game now, which was fairly new when he first got to Fl. Using 4-5 recievers, and making a linebacker/defense end cover a scat back is old now, and other teams are doing it as well. But yes he will win some big games, and upset some great teams, but as for totally dominating the SEC again,,,,I doubt it, though not saying that he won't win an SEC in the next 5 years.
Gatorboy40 said:
posted on June 4, 2007 12:50 AM — 138.163.160.42 — link — abuse?
CutotalTiger Post #23, I can't see a 6-6 happening again with the Canes. Why do all people rule them out. Didn't the Noles go 6-6 as well, but they are predicted to end the season ranked. I'd really like to know what is seen at FSU, that Canes don't have,,,help me out. Even with their underachieving season, they still sent more player to the NFL than most final top ten teams. That tells you that the talent is there, and its still there. The lack of respect will play into Miami's hands. The coach should just keep it quiet, and use all the negative press to motivate his team.
Coker will get a job, maybe not the type of team that he has grown accustom to, but he will a division 1 school. There will be coaches getting fired next year, don't it always.
Gatorboy40 said:
posted on June 4, 2007 1:12 AM — 138.163.160.41 — link — abuse?
Joe Post 2, I partly agree with you on him getting a job, however as for the scapegoat, I beg to differ. Its all about winning and losing. Even in 2005 he loss a couple of key games that debatably, he should have won. Three years of sliding in football, don't sit well at Miami. Then the big brawl on the field, broke the camel's back. As for being made the scapegoat, so who do you blame??? Who is directly most responsible for the team. That brawl on the field embarrassed alot of people at UM, Presdent, AD, boosters ect. That fight was broadcast all over the world, something had to give, it comes with the territory.
Not like Bobby Bowden, at FSU (Dag-Gummit) where you have the longest active winning streak, of ALL COACHES, even with the 6-6 season. That resume will buy you all the time you need to put the train back on track. Hell, Bobby has an unofficial lifetime contract @ FSU,,,BELIEVE IT!!!
Joe said:
posted on June 4, 2007 8:15 AM — 65.32.170.228 — link — abuse?
Does anyone but me find it hysterical that a Florida fan would even comment on the ability of a former Miami coach?
Supposedly their reason for the dropping of UM was to play a:
(Pick your favorite!)
More national schedule?
Make more Money?
Too many SEC teams to play?
Can't fit them in?
Can all games be played at Benny Hill?
Only if all away games are played somewhere other than Miami?
We play too tough of schedule already we play in the Sec against recognized?? powerhoueses like Vandy, Kentucky, and South Carolina?
Miami dropped us?Of course we all know the real reason!
They fear losing to Miami having not beating them since Reagan was in office. Currently a streak of 6-0 in favor of UM I beleive.
Coker is a good coach and will land at a Division one program soon.gatorhippy said:
posted on June 4, 2007 8:40 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Reagan (#18):
None of those coaches ever took a program from such a pinnale to such humbling low point like Coker has with the Canes...
Despite his "record" at UCG, the only thing that Coker proved is that he can take a program from MNC to laughing stock in less than Seven years...
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 4, 2007 8:54 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Joe (#28):
Exactly what does UF/Miami have to do with Coker getting another job anywhere?
Coker hasn't proven anything at the D-I level...
He won an MNC with somebody elses recruits (ala Urban Meyer if you like)...
And susequently dragged UCG to lower points until they have made an almost complete circle to 1997 (5-6)...
Please expound...
What is so great about Coker?!??!??
TampaGator said:
posted on June 4, 2007 9:18 AM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
C-Dogg/#10:
"...Gator allow me to set you straight. There are two sets of fans that you should never pick a fight with.....Miami fans and USC fans. Win some more titles and I will remove the "little brother" label off of your Gator Pampers..."
PUH-LLLEEEEEZE. Quick re-cap of recent discourse on topic:
Miami doesn't own its own stadium; UF owns one of the finest in the country.
UF's football program has 100 years of history; UM 59;
UF was valued as the 5th most valuable CFB program by Forbes, and the 5th most profitable; UM??? Didn't even crack the top 15 on either list (pretty damn hard to do so, when you can't sell-out your home games; but then I forget; attendance doesn't matter, right???).
UF is a member of the prestigious AAU; UM is not.
UF's entrance requirements are comparable with the most competitive schools in the Country--UM will take anyone with the requiste trust fund.
Miami's endowment is less than 1/2 of UF's ($1 Bil vs. $443 mil).
UF generated more in research revenues ($559) than ALL other Florida universities COMBINED!!
I could go on...
5 NC's??? What'd that get ya? How about NOTHING, but a few of your fellow alumni in the NFL. Whoopteefreakn-do.
Hurricane: Do something worth a crap off the grid-iron, and I'll remove the "red-headed step child" moniker off of your sorry ass.
GO GATORS!!TampaGator said:
posted on June 4, 2007 9:35 AM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
Yankee-Joe/#28:
Does anyone but me find it hysterical that a Yankee comments on these blog cites like he has a dog in any fight amongst Florida schools? Oh yeah--he's got family that went to FSU (like I've got a bro that went to UM--please see my previous post for what that amounts to).
Are you this plugged into the Stanley Cup?
"...teacher teacher stop that screamin', teacher don't you see...don't wanna' be no up town fool..."
Once again, Teach: What's in it for UF to play Miami? The answer to that mystery will open you eyes to the mystery of why they don't play.
"...maybe I should go to hell, but then I'm doin' well..."
GO GATORS!!
Joe said:
posted on June 4, 2007 12:02 PM — 72.91.91.6 — link — abuse?
Yankee/Joe?
Whatever..... I have lived in Florida for over 50 years but yes I was born in the North.
I would imagine you would be hard pressed to find many that have parents or grandparents that were born in Florida.
Oh and You left out the most important fact concerning UF and UMUF hasn't beaten Miami since Reagan was in office!
Imagine that! with all those inferior facilities and without any bragging UM has beaten UF so bad that UF is afraid to play them annually!! LOL
So Tampa gator how long have you lived in Florida?
Were your parents born in Florida?
Grandparents?
I have a feeling that I have lived longer in Florida than you have been alive!!
Are gator fans interested in Coker because he owned them while coaching at Miami?TampaGator said:
posted on June 4, 2007 2:01 PM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
Joe/#36:
You seem awful sensitive about your Yankee roots now--though it was you who boasted of them in prior thread related to education (where else could I have gotten that info, right??). So which is it; are you proud of your fanciful Northern Ed...or of your Florida connections? (apparently not the former, since you fail to boast your alma mater, while you piggy-back on someone else's). No matter; you didn't go to FSU, UM or UF; so you're an outsider--just a fan. As for personal questions you seek about me--I'll let you fish for 'em in prior posts.
As for UM v. UF--you keep coming up dry don't you? Nothing in it for UF, right? Our stadium is FILLED to the rim no matter who comes to Gainesville. 8 of 13 games are SEC opponents; + FSU; + the SEC champ, when applicable. The Gators seem to be doing just fine without Miami on it schedule (though UM would certainly benefit by having a sell-out in the OB every other year).
The only reason UM v. UF means anything at all to you, is because you want one more team to weaken UF before their rendezvous with FSU. FSU already gets UF AFTER a full blown SEC schedule, yet you desperately want one more team to chip away at UF before they meet your 'noles. Why might that be? Could it be that you doubt FSU's ability to handle UF at full strength?
Re-cap: UF is doing just fine without Miami on its schedule--though UM and FSU would both benefit by UF adding UM...and we're not particularly inclined towards charity for either school.
Here's a clue: when trying to sell something to someone...best to answer "what's in it for the potential buyer"...rather than discussing your commissions.
GO GATORS!!
C-DOGG said:
posted on June 4, 2007 2:03 PM — 76.188.187.161 — link — abuse?
Tampa Gator (#32),
When I watch a Florida game at the swamp this year, I will not read signs in the crowd that say "we own our own staduim!"..."our endowment is 1 Billion!"....."we found a cure for cancer in our science department!". No Tampa...the signs will say National Champions baby!.....that's all that matters right? If so, catch Miami, then talk.
P.S. You should have left out that 100 years vs. 59 years of football existence stat. Doesn't help your National title count argument. Especially since you guys had a 41 HEAD START and a head start on GATORADE! ;o)P.S.
C-DOGG said:
posted on June 4, 2007 2:18 PM — 76.188.187.161 — link — abuse?
Tampa Gator(#32),
I'm not through with you yet son. Did you have the nerve to say in your last line "do something worth a crap off of the gridiron?" Did you forget that fanblogs is mainly for GRIDIRON? Well, since you made such an idiotic statement....let's leave the gridiron and move over to the BASEBALL DIAMOND.
Miami baseball national champions: 1982, 1985, 1999, 2001 (might catch the football program this year). Florida Gators: ZERO? The reason I put a question mark is because the site I checked only went back to 1947! If I'm wrong, please correct me. Think before you post son...by the way I hear mommy calling you. Your Gator Diaper is wet!
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 4, 2007 2:35 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
C-DOGG (#47):
In overall judgement of an University's Athletics prowess when compared side by side with other schools?
Absolutely...
Hence the huge acknowledgement by US Today when UCLA became the first school to reach the 100 team titles mark this past spring...
In the mind of a bandwagon fan?
Probably not...
TampaGator said:
posted on June 4, 2007 2:48 PM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
C-Dogg/#42:
That was YOUR mommy calling; she sends her regards. :)
As for those other NC's...baseball gets the same treatment as gymnastics, etc. Hell, women's basketball gets more coverage on ESPN than the men's baseball world series, and other than FB or Basketball, they all generate (or drain) about as much $$$ for the budget....so we count ALL of 'em.
Again though, we're talking about universities here. The football teams represent Universities, and at that, a small portion of the buget (e.g.-UF's FB team valued at $76 mil. by Forbes and generated $32 mil in profit; UF awarded $518 mil. in research money last year--for perspective. And that's the 5th biggest program in country...
GO GATORS!!P.S.--I got 'ya, about the P.S.
C-DOGG said:
posted on June 4, 2007 2:58 PM — 76.188.187.161 — link — abuse?
O.K. Gator fans....let's save some of this smack for the Fall. Both of our teams are 0-0 right now. You have to excuse me but....the Cavs have me in a great mood. I know that fanblogs is not about the NBA, but I just couldn't help myself. They finally made it to the finals! :o)
BTW, if you consider the last 23 years as a Canes'bandwagon' fan, then that would be me. Go Canes!
C-DOGG said:
posted on June 4, 2007 3:45 PM — 76.188.187.161 — link — abuse?
Thanks Tampa for the Cavs love. BTW congrats on whipping my alma mater for the National Title. You guys were clearly the best team in football. I still would have paid pay-per-view $$ to see you guys in a SEC showdown with LSU for the national title. That would have been a better game.
Go Canes!
Gatorboy40 said:
posted on June 5, 2007 12:42 AM — 138.163.160.42 — link — abuse?
Joe, Post 28,,Does it matter who the fan is to comment on a coach. Where did Fla come into the conversation. I think the blog was about Coker getting a job. Noone can dispute Miami's history, heel I am one of the few that say that Miami will suprise alot of people this years. Read my post where the writers predicted that Miami would not be rank this year. Regardless of who the fan is for does not matter. Futhermore Coker won with a team that was already in place, all he had to do was ride the bus. As for the Gators scheduling UM, I never seen a post where a Gator fan said any of the things that you mentioned in post 28. I have seen them say that Miami don't legitimizes noones schedule, Miami is not the road to the NC, playing 6-7 ranked teams is enough regardless of what conference they are in, Whether Fla played 6-7 ranked teams in/out of conference was still more ranked teams than anyone else, whice is what was mostly responsible for them getting to play OH-ST.
If you are still bitter about last season, then that is your issue bro. Read post 26, and you will see that you repeated partly what I said in your post,,,,ddaaahhhhh.Gatorhippy Post #31/ Thanks for making that point, some folks are still a little touchy feely about last season,,,,,(A HURT DOG WILL HOWL EVERYTIME YOU TOUCH THEM).
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 5, 2007 9:01 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
C-DOGG, the Cavs might have you in a great mood for making the finals, but they don't stand a chance of winning them.
Joe said:
posted on June 5, 2007 5:04 PM — 72.91.91.6 — link — abuse?
Well Tampa gator #40,
You are correct unless there is something in it for UF why play it?? Great gator perspective!!!! Couldn't have confirmed that gator tastes like chicken any better!!
Real Champions seek competition they don't avoid it. One day UF fans and administration will hopefully embrace that concept in CFB.
As to sensitive of my Yankee roots? Heck, I am probably more Southern than Yankee since I have lived in Florida for almost my whole life. As one that has been raised and taught in the inferior Secondary school system of Florida, I feel I can speak with some authority of its shortcomings.
How? that has anything to do with me being born in the North must be some sort of "demented gator thang"!
I would proffer that you Tampa Gator are the sensitive one that fails to see the reality of the state of education today.gatorhippy said:
posted on June 5, 2007 6:05 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
C-DOGG (#58):
Wutever...
TampaCane is talking out of his anal orifice again...
Cavs own the best record against the West this year of all East teams...
As well as 2-0 against the Spurs in the regular season...
They have just as good of a chance in a seven game series as they did against anybody they played through the Eastern Div bracket...
The Spurs aren't that good...
They just didn't have to play anyone real tough through the playoffs...
LBJ is on another level right now...
Should be a good tight series...
Joe said:
posted on June 5, 2007 10:30 PM — 65.32.170.228 — link — abuse?
gatorboy 40,
You are correct the post was about Coker a former Miami coach that a couple of gator fans found necessary to disrespect. Funny, he beat the gators the few times he was able to play them. Now he is only fit to coach "D-II, III, or NAIA"???
That is just disrespectful. Is it any wonder why most don't take gator fans opinions seriously?
I suppose I could say Urban won all his games with Zooks players and was a lousy coach using the same logic? ridiculous!
Point is Coker is a fine coach that did extremely well at Miami. That he is made the scapegoat now is predictable. JMHO but there were far more issues than Coker that contributed to the Miami fall off.They are still a good team and hopefully Shannon will get the job done. I still believe there are questions with the current staff. Perhaps they will be great. We shall see.
Gatorboy40 said:
posted on June 6, 2007 1:49 AM — 138.163.160.43 — link — abuse?
Joe post 62, I think that Coker is a solid coach as well, but considering all the things that happen, do you not believe that a change was needed. With the negative press, lack of respect to the coach by the players, embarrassement to the program, and a declining football program. Something had to give.
Your comment that, it can be said, that Meyers won with Zook's player, I don't think that it will fly because, Zook could not win with his own player. So if someone else comes in and win with his (Zook's) so called team, but Zook could not, only makes Zook look bad. Meyers ran a totally different system than Zook. But as for Coker being a scapegoat, I don't know who would'nt have not expected him to get released, after all that happened.
Gatorboy40 said:
posted on June 6, 2007 2:00 AM — 138.163.160.42 — link — abuse?
Joe (Post 62(, I truly believe believe that Croker dug a hole for himself at the end of 2005 season, when he fired his entire coaching staff. Because the attitude of Miami's front office was probably, (if disaster happens next year, who do you blame). So, if Coker fired his entire staff, and then, had a worse season the following year, then I guess its his time to get fired. LIVE BY THE SWORD, DIE BY THE SWORD.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 6, 2007 8:09 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, do you even know anything about basketball? How can you seriously say that the Spurs didn't have to face any teams that were tough in the playoffs? If you compare the teams that the Spurs had to defeat to make it to the finals with the teams the Cavs had to defeat, you will notice that the Western conference had all the championship caliber teams in it. I realize that the Cavs did go 2-0 against the Spurs during the regular season; however, that is just the regular season. The Spurs historically up their game for the playoffs compared to the intensity they have during the regular season. The Cavs are a one man team, and with the Spurs defense, a one man team can't beat them (even if it is the best player in the NBA)
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 6, 2007 8:18 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy, you want to talk about people talking out of their asses, then lets discuss Donovan. There were many Gator fans discussing what a piece of shit Saban was for lying to a pro team and then choosing to coach for a college team. Is there any difference between what that little bitch Donovan did to the Magic and what Saban did to the Dolphins? NO! However, the Gator fans I have heard talking about Donovan are all waiting to accept him back with open arms. Sounds like UF has a great double standard, it is wrong for coaches to lie to pro teams if they are not associated with UF; however, UF coaches can lie as much as they want.
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 6, 2007 8:55 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#66):
Hmmm...
So now I guess the Spurs don't try during the season and just win enough games to make the playoffs...
So they can turn it up a notch in the playoffs...
Yeah, that's what happened...
LOL...
I didn't say the Cavs were going to win, T-Cane...
But that they do have a chance as shown by their record against western con opponents...
Which according to you is where all the "championship caliber" teams are at...
And their 2-0 regular season record against the Spurs...
When you say a team has no chance that basically alludes to a sweep...
Won't happen...
Cavs will put up a good fight and don't be surprised if they are able to push it to seven games...
Joe said:
posted on June 6, 2007 8:57 AM — 65.32.170.228 — link — abuse?
Gatorboy 40,
First understand your point but anyone that follows football knows that players usually tend to get better with experience barring a few exceptions.
Anyone that watched the gator team last year clearly saw that it was the defense that carried the gator team. Those players were Zooks that is my only point.
As far as Coker I agree clearly there was a building discipline problem at Miami that seriously has simmered below the surface even at the hire of Butch Davis.When a school gives a scholarship to Willie Williams with his criminal record. Ignores completely academic fraud twice by Andre Johnson, doesn't know or act on players arrested, charged and adjudicated ( See Webster and Tremain Mack)and on top of that has the player outbursts that occurred over the last year or so, there clearly were problems at Miami.
IMHO it comes down from the athletic department and those in charge. Much of Miami's problems again IMHO come from probably too much "Swagger" if I may use a very cliche' term. Too much woofing and jawing allowed!! too much looking the other way! Too much leeway given to bad behavior with little consequence.
Heck, even at UF there was a buzz/whisper? around the NFL surrounding the UF program and why? so many star gator players lasted until the very end of the draft. Seems the rumor is Pot smoking was rampant among certain gator players last season.
The Marcus Thomas saga does pose questions on Meyer's actual discipline versus tough talk.
Just a rumor most certainly, but it would appear to have some legs based on the NFL draft.gatorhippy said:
posted on June 6, 2007 9:01 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#67):
As far as Donovan is concerned...
Billy didn't lie to anybody...
Before the Magic opportunity came up, Donovan made it known if NBA teams were interested he would listen...
He SIGNED his contract with the Magic, then realized after his exiting press conference at UF where his heart really was...
Upon this realization, he immediately made it known to both Magic and UF officials where he stood...
Where is the lying and the deception ala Saban?
Ain't there, homie...
T-Cane, have you never changed your mind and decided after the fact you had to follow your heart...
Why is Billy held to a different standard than anybody else when it comes to career decisions?
Answer: He isn't...
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 6, 2007 9:09 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, I never stated that the Spurs were going to sweep the Cavs. Is there a reason that you are always trying to state that people say something that isn't stated in the post? Are you actually able to read the post or do you have ADD and are only able to read the first couple of words before guessing what the remainder states. I believe that the Spurs/Cavs series will go 5 games (6 is the most). The Cavs don't have enough of a supporting cast for James to take it to 7 as you predict.
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 6, 2007 9:19 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Joe (#62):
I belive if you look back at the first post here that I never said Coker was "only fit to coach D-II, III or NAIA"...
But that he would get a job again even if it was at that level...
Coker was a career assistant until promoted to the UCG helm...
His record steadily spiraled downward along with the control and respect of his players...
He interviewed for the TULSA job and was passed by...
As well as being considered but not hired at perrenial "powers" such as Rice and Tulane...
If schools like these are passing over a guy with such a great "pedigree"
There obviously is doubt in his abilities that don't start and stop with "gator fans"...
If Urban Meyer is in the same place as Coker was at Miami after six years, I'll say the same thing about him...
But for some reason, I doubt that's where Urban will be...
Say what you want, but...
Coker proved nothing at Miami as far as being able to lead a football program in a forward direction or maintaining the excellence he enjoyed in his first two seasons...
The Canes program steadily slid backwards under him from the cream of CFB back to mediocrity...
Again I ask...
Show me why he is such a great coach...
I doubt you can...
TampaGator said:
posted on June 6, 2007 9:20 AM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
Joe/#58:
"...As to sensitive of my Yankee roots? Heck, I am probably more Southern than Yankee since I have lived in Florida for almost my whole life..."
I thought you said Florida isn't southern.
You at #118 of 5/7/07 "FSU and GT picked Tops by AJC" thread:
"...UF ( due to its demographic location is truly not the "deep south" in a traditional sense...."
Last I checked, UF is in Florida.
GO GATORS!!TampaGator said:
posted on June 6, 2007 9:27 AM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
FOR A GREAT LAUGH:
Check thered out at 5/7/07 "FSU and GT picked Tops by AJC"--post #'s 159, 160, and 162;
Yankee Joe lecturing Tomcat (Texas) on what being southern means--Tomcat's reply is classic!!
Still glad you're on their ('noles) side!
GO GATORS!!
gatorstud said:
posted on June 6, 2007 9:33 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
t-hurricane #67....as close as you are to all the action in central florida..you should know first hand how the magic deal went down...they went to billy's house gave him the deal and told him that they needed an answer BEFORE they went back....now..honestly..billy's heart has always been w/ florida...he made it verry clear that he would talk to nba suitors but his loyalty was with florida.....for the magic to throw that much money at him and then tell him they needed an answer from him within hours.....i though was pretty petty.....within 24 hours of accepting the offer....he knew made the wrong decision...
i will agree with you that it all sounds sabanesque...but it's not....the magic brass should of gave donovan more time....donnavan knew the magic were going to come with an offer, but even donovan said he was speechless about the amount of money they wanted to pay him.....florida was prepared to offer him 3 mil. a year...orlando's offer was 26 or 27 mil.....WHO WOULDN'T WANT THAT MUCH MONEY......
i believe the fault is on both parties.....magic for pushing..and donovan for jumping....but to put donovan in the same light as saban...remember this.....saban looked right in the camera and said that there was no way he was going to leave miami for alabama.....that was a total lie, and a half....
jmo.....
go gators ........and hokies
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 6, 2007 9:42 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorstud, if Donovan didn't know where he wanted to coach, he could have used common sense and told Orlando that he needed more time to make his decision. Orlando has no blame in this situation, and if it were a different programs coach then the Gator fans would be all over him for doing this. Didn't Donovan look into the camera and state (paraphrasing because I don't have the exact quote) that he was looking forward to coaching the Magic. Signing the contract and stating he was looking forward to coaching the Magic made a promise to the 200 Magic fans that went out and bought season tickets believing that he would keep his word and coach the Magic.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 6, 2007 9:45 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, stating that a team has no chance to win a series doesn't allude to a sweep. There is a big difference between being able to win one game (like I predict the Cavs will) and having a chance to win the series. Try not to make assumptions when reading posts, if I had thought it would be a sweep, then I would have stated it. Spurs in 5, and you can bet on it.
GatorMatt said:
posted on June 6, 2007 10:03 AM — 128.227.1.226 — link — abuse?
I don't see how this became a comparison of Coker and Meyer, but Coker is basically just the opposite of what Meyer is. Let's take a peak as to why with Coker's records: 2001(12-0), 2002(12-1), 2003(11-2), 2004(9-3), 2005(9-3), 2006(7-6). My point is, Coker did well with Butch Davis's players, and not with his own. Meyer however, won big with Zooks players, and has had two number 1 recruiting classes in a row. Meyer also keeps his players under control. No one gets shot, and if something bad happens, the players are released (Marcus Thomas). Now, if next season Meyer has a stellar 7-6 season much like Coker, I'll shut up
TampaGator said:
posted on June 6, 2007 10:45 AM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
RE-POST (I found a typo--which was all the excuse I needed to repost this):
FOR A GREAT LAUGH:
Check thread out at 5/7/07 "FSU and GT picked Tops by AJC"--post #'s 159, 160, and 162;
Yankee Joe lecturing Tomcat (Texas) on what being southern means--Tomcat's reply is classic!!
Still glad you're on their ('noles) side!
GO GATORS!!
gatorstud said:
posted on June 6, 2007 10:59 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
t-hurricane...i will agree w/ you that donovan should of made a push for more time to get the decision rite....and i still believe the magic bigs decided to throw a bunch of money at him and try to get donovan to sign before he could really think about it.....both parties should be to blame.....but that's jmo.....
as far as ticket holders....if they buy tickets on who is the coach instead of just being a fan...then that's their problem.....i get my gator football tickets every year...no matter who the coach is.....i will still get them twenty years from now....no matter who the coach is....and i am not being biased or anything...i am a magic fan...i was in orlando when they got the team and i did my apprenticeship right down the street from the arean...and watched it get built.....so i do have interest in both teams.....i would have loved to see billy coach the magic...but, i wanted him to coach the gators more....
oh and by the way....spurs in 6......king james will make it interesting....but the spurs ar too dominant.....sorry c-dogg
go gator....and hokies
Joe said:
posted on June 6, 2007 11:49 AM — 72.91.91.6 — link — abuse?
Hey Tampa Gator,
I find it absolutely hysterical that you so interested in my posts that you actually choose to devote blogs to them?
Fascinating that you are so into this Deep South versus Southern versus Yankee thing versus the poor educational system of Florida?
You sure are rather obsessed with me? Should I put you on "stalker" alert? Scary!! lolActually, the Deep south versus Southern thing is not unlike the difference between an Alligator and a Crocodile. Seems UF fans have trouble with that distinction as well. So what is with the JAWS theme being played at gator games?
Is the mascot of UF a gator, a crocodile, or a great white Shark? You keep claiming such academic superiority at UF yet judging from the errors in Zoology it would appear to be a rather poor by a reflection on mascots of the school as related to Football.
Don't bring Tomcat into this thing. We are in the process comparing recipes. Finding out if my personal recipes for wild blueberry buckle and grunt are better than his families cobblers. Although his collards are OK I like mine a bit better since I always use smoked neck bones rather than Ham hocks.
Rammer Jammer said:
posted on June 6, 2007 12:33 PM — 199.89.170.92 — link — abuse?
One of the few differences between what Saban did, and what Donovan did is this: It took Saban 2 years to figure out he belongs in College Football; It took Donovan 24 hours to figure out he belongs in College BB.
All I can say is, at least Saban had the balls to give it a whirl. On the other hand, if Donavan would have given it whirl, and then changed his mind and came back to college bb-- He would have been demonized by everyone. But, at least he didn't lie about it...Right?
BTW- Kudos to Billy Donovan for following his heart instead of money.
ROLL TIDE
TampaGator said:
posted on June 6, 2007 12:55 PM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
Gatorstud/#82:
Tampa Hurricane/#79:I love Billy D as much as the next Gator, but TH brings up some good points.
There was a meeting of the minds between Billy D and the Magic; he signed a contract; he very publicly acknowledged it afterwards; and people acted on that public acknowledgment....none of which is on the Magic. Frankly, it's a stain on Billy D's otherwise sterling reputation.
That said, there is a stark contrast between that, and the Nick Saban episode. Billy D looked into the camera and recanted what had actually happened, and what should naturally follow as a consequence. Nick Saban looked into camera, and affirmatively represented that something wasn't happening, that actually was (negotiations with UA); a bold face lie.
The bottom line: Billy D made a mistake, and owned it. He acknowledged it was a mistake, and did what he could to remedy it as soon as he recognized it as a mistake.
It's certainly not the most honorable chapter in his career; however, I think when the dust clears, it will be viewed simply as a well handled error.
My $.02.
GO GATORS!!TampaGator said:
posted on June 6, 2007 1:04 PM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
Joe/#83:
Obsessed? Who's "Joe", that I could be obsessed with you anyway?
I hit your posts because they always attack my alma mater--UF (you might get that, if your alma mater was a hot topic on these blogs--which by the way, is what Kevin Donahue sets up; I/we post on his blog(s)).
It is you--as I've posted before (and as Gatorhippy just did as well)--that are obsessed with UF .
On top of that, your posts are so rich with material; and the Yankee-Southern stuff; that's some of the richest material I've read on here!
Brief recap of you as Yank v. Southerner:"...I'm a northerner...Florida education sucks..."
"...Yo Texas, let me tell you about the 'ol South..."
"...Florida isn't deep south..."
"...I'm more southern than Yankee, because I spent most of my life in Florida..."
That's freak'n rich!!!
Please, keep 'em coming; I love the material!
GO GATORS!!gatorstud said:
posted on June 6, 2007 1:06 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
jesus freakin christ, joe...now your doggin the mascots.....you really are a tool......basing credibility on mascot looks.....what next...who's stadium is better by how many blades of grass are used....or maybe...your chief "ride-a-horse"..really isn't a chief after all...and maybe those clothes he wears are'nt really authentic seminole dressings.....and are those real feathers in chief "ride-a-lot's" hat.....that's rite....i said hat....cause that'a basically what it is....reality is perception joe...it's all done for the fanbase.......you are such a TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
GO GATORS....AND HOKIES
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 6, 2007 1:06 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
Jay Bilas has a great read on the Donovan situation. He states "Billy Donovan made a pretty good case that he belongs in college and not in the NBA." There is only one word that can sum up Donovan "Unprofessional"!
Gerald said:
posted on June 6, 2007 2:05 PM — 216.113.128.239 — link — abuse?
If Larry Coker wanted to coach, he should have done so while taking a very large salary as head coach of the Miami Hurricanes. If he had done so, then he would still have a job. And it isn't as if it is that hard of a job. Of all of the former Miami Hurricane coaches, only Jimmy Johnson did anything worth talking about after leaving the Hurricanes, and that was in large part due to all of the draft picks from the Herschel Walker trade and Jerry Jones spending a ton of money in the pre - salary cap era (plus please recall that Johnson's Miami Dolphins stint - Kippy Brown as offensive coordinator, and draft picks like Yatil Green, John Avery, and James Johnson - left much to be desired) so it is proof that you do not exactly need to be a genius to win there. That LES MILES actually got more out of that Oklahoma State program than Jimmy Johnson ever did DESPITE having Barry Sanders AND Thurman Thomas AND Jimmy Johnson being at Oklahoma State in the pre - proposition 48 days shows that one doesn't exactly have to be a genius to win games at Miami. If Coker couldn't cut it at Miami, he wouldn't be able to cut it anywhere. Tulsa, his own alma mater, made a great decision in choosing to hire Kragthorpe (now at Louisville) over Coker, and anyone else considering Coker for a job ought to take note.
Joe said:
posted on June 6, 2007 5:51 PM — 72.91.91.6 — link — abuse?
Tampa gator,
Its called humor maybe you should try it some time!! You gators are so sensitive! LOL
You are right! Gator Hippy!!
I still am extremely proud of my New England roots!!
Surprised anyone had heard of "grunt". Really quite good. I will be making some in about a month or so!!
Tomcat said:
posted on June 6, 2007 8:27 PM — 68.93.142.91 — link — abuse?
This thread is extremely educational and informative.I always thought that grunt was a foot soldier or a Marine.I've never been to New England, however I spent 10 months in England, down south of London, the deep south of The Britsh
Isles.The food and weather sucked, but the beer was outstanding.
Main topic of thread - Every year there are alot of coaching changes and Coker will find his spot somewhere.
gatorhippy, tampagator,gatorstud and everybody including Joe, keep it up guys, Im learning something. Go Spurs
FYI I traveled up north one time, all the way up north to Virginia, wait that cant be up north they grow tobacco. Its all reletive
Hookem-HornsJoe said:
posted on June 7, 2007 2:49 PM — 72.91.91.6 — link — abuse?
Personally, does anyone find it interesting how when something embarrassing occurs with the gator program that its fans go into a frenzy attacking the messenger? Disturbing yet amusing!!
Oh and Tomcat, although my roots aren't as rural as yours, I most certainly appreciate the wilderness areas and what they offer.
Ever have Fiddleheads?
gatorstud said:
posted on June 7, 2007 3:27 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy #96.....flaming flag twirler = joe......tooo funny
joe #99...i find it amazing that whenever someone brings up fsu's embarrasing moments you tear into them like theres no tomorrow...you put stats up and post news articles about the other persons school and try to tear them to shreds ....so the next time you want to whine about someone elses comments about embarrasing institutional issues, try looking at your own posts sometimes joe.....that is why no-one likes chatting w/ you joe....your a hypocrit..and your posts are lame....nuff said....
maurice #98...i think it would be a good fit for coker to go to duke....spurrier did well there....not to mention that coker would get a shot at miami......
gatorstud said:
posted on June 7, 2007 4:25 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
joe..i know it may seem like every time you post..i dog you...i hope you don't take it personally...it just seems like you enjoy doggin the gators....i don't know anyone that would not defend thier alma mater to the hilt when being attacked...and you have defended fsu to no end..like i would expect you to...it is quite obvious that you do not like the gators...at all...and all of gator nation is ok with that......i am an equal opportunity destroyer too.....lol.....and i will retract my statement about all your posts being lame...some have actually been very informative....but most have been direct attacks on my gators....
and most of the time it's just you trying to make fsu look like choir boys and all the other institutons have thugs.....with all that said....we'll see you in november.....seminoles better pack an extra lunch when they come to g-ville...they are going to need it.....lol
go gators.....and hokies
TampaGator said:
posted on June 7, 2007 5:06 PM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
Joe/100:
Who's attacking what messenger? What frenzy??
What the hell are you talking about???
b/t/w: what's with the defensive post to Tomcat--I thought y'all we're making like house-mommies, and exchanging recipes, per your #83??
At least you're coming to terms with your Yankee-hood, or ness, or whatever one calls Northern roots...for this thread at least, since you were called out (perhaps next thread we can expect you to re-claim your dixie heritage, lecture another good 'ol boy on what the 'ol south is all about...even though your ties to Dixie are based on your Floridian connections, excpet that Florida isn't deep south...oh shit, it's kill'n me rehash's this mess...))
Gatorhipp: sweet pickup on #87 ("grunt"); and nice jab in #96 (now we have an image to accompany the psudonym--albeit an unpleasant one).
Gatorstud/#100: I like Coker, but he ain't no Spurrier. The OBC was able to win at DU; no way Coker wins there. LC's best bet is to wait for someone to jump ship to the NFL (like Stoops, or USC's coach (name elludes me)--that's the kind of situation he's suited for.
My $.02.
GO GATORS!! and hokies.
P.S. re. 101: don't go soft on me now; give 'em hell, man--no apologies necessary! You won't hurt his feelings...maybe cause a little identity confusion...Tomcat said:
posted on June 7, 2007 7:26 PM — 68.93.142.91 — link — abuse?
This stuff is getting purty funny,seems like everybody is having fun at each others expense.
It apears as though, contrary to what I thought that geographical locations and the sterotypes associated with ones specific heritage or roots constitutes that we are all in agreement.
Florida is not in the south as once beleived and that Virgina is no longer considered up north.The real kicker is that if your geographical location changes then you adopt your enviroment as your home and the educational system that exist in your choosen location.
#102 enjoyed reading your post, however I dont recall exchanging recipes with anybody.
#99 I was not familiar with fiddleheads until I did some research on the internet. After I hichted up the mules and forded the river.I've never eated clams either, but I have gathered oysters during low tide at Port O Conner Tx.
Yes these are my real teeth and my parents are only distantley related.
Hookem-Horns
Gigem-Aggies beat the H outa UMJoe said:
posted on June 7, 2007 10:10 PM — 65.32.170.228 — link — abuse?
AS you notice Tom Cat,
Them gators is a sensitive lot. Lets me give you a quick lesson of the history of Hogtown/gainesville.
They has been round a very long time like around the early 1900's. They never did win nothin the first 60 years or so and then along came FSU around the late 40's.. Now them gators are a tricky bunch and even though FSU tried and tried those boys in hogtown refused to play them. It took the ole legislature to finally push them to play FSU. Of course since them gators were fraid they insisted on all the games being played at home. FSU scored first in that very first game and you would have thunk someone had just died in hogtown. The lizards/ gators won that first one but around the 4th game after a close 3-0 loss the year before FSU finally tied them. Someone from UF claimed it was like a "death in the family".
Finally, after 6 years of playing in Hogtown finally FSU got them yeller bellies to play in Tally. Yep you guessed The Noles won despite not being able to use any SEC transfers in those games . Just another one of those conditions those gators like to play by!!
Well despite that new found success FSU still had a pretty much a terrible time winning against them lizards/gators.Of course no one will ever forget the game before FSU's next win in 1967. That was the won where the Noles was absolutely robbed when Lane Fenner made a catch in the endzone at Doak and the gators obviously must have slipped a couple of Bengamins to the ref. Photos clearly showed he was in by a mile if not 5 feet. Thats why it galls Nole fans when these whiny gators claim they was cheated a couple of years ago by the refs.
Now all through the 60's and most of the 70's UF pretty much won every game against FSU but you has got to understand them gator boosters pretty much owned the state of florida and any good football player who even considered going to Tally would find his parents would lose their jobs unless he changed his mind. That pretty much worked for the gators until a man named Bowden came into Tally.
Now Bobby being a country boy like yourself understood them gator dirty tricks and began scouring for them special players with just a bit of grit in their craw along with sweet talkin a couple of decent kids to come up to Tally.
Well wouldn't you know it! After his first year Bobby reeled off 4 straight against the gators and damn near won a national championship.
Well this was just too much for any gator fan to take and they immediately hired a real scoundrel named Pell and all gator boosters opened their wallets BIG TIME!! Needless to say all these paid players allowed UF to win for 6 straight. Well the ole NCAA might be dumb but they ain't stupid and they came down on FLorida like a nest of hornets and stung them real bad!! Them gators cheats too much!!
Bout this time another team began to really make noise and that was these Miami Hurricanes. Clearly them gators were in a pickle because now not only were they in "ncaa jail" but both these Hurricanes and Seminoles were beating the tar out of them. Well them gators had 2 choices: Get better or Drop one of them teams so thez could feel good about themselves. Well we all knows the choice they made they dropped Miami like a hot potato!
Now they could beat the tar out "Our dear sisters of the blind" and all them gators yellin Orange and Blue could be right happy! Thez really enjoy being bullies thats why they seldom leave hogtown to play many games.Now that is about enough for now Tomcat But thats is why us seminole fans enjoys gigging them gators. As you can see from this thread thez do get a bit ornery but pay em no mind...Little secret.. Thez brain is bout size of a walnut!!
Now Tom Cat them oysters are mighty good and I eats them raw or Rockefellered. Now if you ever do go clamin' You steam the ones with the the necks that squirt but the hard shell ones are mainly only good for Chowder. Now the wee beety small ones ( Little necks) can be eaten raw but stay away from them Cherrystones thems would be tough to swallow. Nothin funnier than seeing someone try to eat steamed Cherry stones!! Like tryin to chew a piece of rubber!! Pretty funny!
Now them fiddleheads taste a lot like asparagus but better..
Again don't mind them gators they just like being miserable winnin' or losin!!
gatorstud said:
posted on June 8, 2007 8:18 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
lol...joe...wow your story about the lane fenner non-catch is so fascinating since ref's never blow calls nowadays...tooool
i wonder if you remember in 96 when florida walked into doak undefeated....do you remember towards the end of the game when danny w. hit a reciever in the endzone for the go ahead touchdown...but wait, there was a little yellow flag on the field...holding was the call....no touchdown....funny how they showed the play from 4 different angles...and yet there was no holding, anywhere...even the announcers were puzzled.....
but we got our revenge a little later...didn't we.....52 - 20 smackdown.....so your little story is just that ...a litlle story....you should write childrens books...since your posts are similar to childrens stories....
i wonder if your jealousy of florida is because you havn't beaten us in soooo many years now....and when we met in 96 for the national championship game...on the biggest stage of sports besides the superbowl....we throttled you.....lol....
so don't mind joe (the red headed fsu stepchild)..he is just miserable when his team can't beat their biggest rivalry anymore....
go gators....and hokies
Gatorpilot said:
posted on June 8, 2007 8:32 AM — 71.42.27.135 — link — abuse?
Joe has been hitting the sauce lately, it would seem. Jesus, what an insane, rambling diatribe. He thinks every event in UF history has to do with some fear of FSU. LOL.
TampaGator said:
posted on June 8, 2007 8:41 AM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
Gatorstud & Gatorpilot/#105-106:
Did y'all really waste your time reading that mess?
I didn't--I glanced over it, and yawn...
....'nother lecture by Yankee Joe about someone else's alma mater.
Let me know if I should (wast my time).
GO GATORS!!SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on June 8, 2007 8:41 AM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
Billy the Kid is an AWESOME basketball coach, there's NO denying that - helluva coach.
However, what he did IS very much like Nick.
Billy LIED to UF to start with. Anyone remember the rumors he was going to become UK's new HC? Billy EMPHATICALLY stated in the cameras he was NOT leaving UF to coach ANYWHERE and he looked forward to rebuilding the program.
Well, he did exactly what he said he wasn't going to do a couple months ago and left UF for the Magic. He signed the deal, sat in front of the cameras and said he looked forward to his opportunity and coaching the magic. So then he LIED to the Magic and broke his COMMITMENT with them.
I'll give credit where credit is due. Billy has apologized and done a much as he could to make things right. Other then that, this is exactly like Saban.
What I find MOST interesting is this:
During negotiations between Billy and the Magic for breaking the contract Billy proposed only a 2 year ban from coaching in the NBA. The Magic said 5 year ban. Billy tried to push for a much shorter ban from coaching in the NBA. If he's "committed" to UF and college basketball (and I'm not saying he's not committed), why would he care if the ban is 5 years or not? Why even ask for anything less? Just found that interesting.
TampaGator said:
posted on June 8, 2007 8:51 AM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
Semi-Nation/#108:
I found it interesting as well (that he resisted the non-compete), and I can't help but question his commitment. I also just heard that UF re-signed him to a $3.5 mil/yr. contract. Why'd we have to offer him so much more $$$$ to stay, if he was so commmitted to staying, that he left the Magic???
I'm orange & blue through and through, but the more comes out of this episode...the less I like of it.
That said, I still maintain that it's different from Saban, simply because his representations were sincere at the time they were made, while Saban flat out denied he was negotiating, when he was.
Now, if it comes out that Billy D was negotiating with the Magic or anyone, WHEN he made the comments after the Kentucky deal....then it would resemble the Saban deal much more. I haven't seen anything to that effect as of yet.
My $.02.
GO GATORS!!
gatorstud said:
posted on June 8, 2007 9:56 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
sem. nation.....it was a five year ban all the way...it's not like you to post unsubstantiated facts...so if you could show me an article saying that billy only wanted a two year ban..then i will believe you...anyway...this is in no way like the saban ordeal.....the whole time donovan was saying he was happy at florida....not once did i see donovan look into the camera and say that there was no way he was taking the orlando magic job.....after the title game..all he was saying was that he wanted to stay at florida but he had to hear everyone else out...orlandos
initial offer was supposed to be around the 12 mil. mark......but then they came at him with the 27 mil. figure....who wouldn't get the willies for that much money...he's only human.....now, could donovan handled it better...yes....did orlando and it's fans deserve this...hell no.....but at least donovan had the nuts to stand in front of the cameras and say "i screwed up and i ask for everyones forgiveness"....i don't remember saban ever doing that......saban left lsu the same way he left miami.....with his tail between his legs......
jmo.....
go gators....and hokies
Tomcat said:
posted on June 8, 2007 12:15 PM — 68.93.142.91 — link — abuse?
#106 gatorpilot I agree, perhaps these veiws are chemically distorted, and its obviuos that there must be some history of hatered or just jealous of UF's outstanding year.
#109 Tampagator its cool man, we no that most FSU fans are alright Example Kevin
#105 gatorstud When someone starts bringing up blown calls and bad officiating from years past, they are grasping, kinda reminds me of some other posters on here. ex OU & USC fans not all just some, after losing to the Horns, seemed like it would never end.
#104 Joe Is Hogtown Fayeteville ? What is rockerfellered ? We go out in a flatbottom boat to the oysterbeds with ballpeen hammers, rubber gloves and 5 gallon buckets.Shuk them underneath a street light and fry them along with our redfish and speckled trout.Mix alot of Tony Chacheres in with your cornmeal.Mix alot of Louisana hot sause and Lea & Perrins in some Ketchup for some dippin etc.Always have some lemons sliced up and sqeeze the juice ontop of everything.
Hookem-Horns
FSU @ CU
UM @ OU
T A&M @ UM
Neb @ Wake
TCU @ Tex
USC @ Neb
Ok St @ UGa
K St @ AU
BU @ TCU
CU @ Az st
Ok St @ TroyJoe said:
posted on June 8, 2007 12:47 PM — 72.91.91.6 — link — abuse?
Now Tomcat as you can readily see!
CAN I CALL THEM OR NOT?
Just like stirrin' up a hornets nest them gator fans gets so's agitated and fretful EVEN when I write a post to you?? They are essentially a humorless bunch, and if I was a movie star or somthin famous I do declare them gators is a stalkin' me.
Of course since I gots lots of "gator bait", I will do the usual and club em to death and beat that tail meat good and have some mighty fine eatin! You ever tasted gator tail? Kind of like Chicken.
Of course if prepared properly just as fine as any pullet for one's palate. Of course enuff of the fine dining!!You watch the next thing them gators will be shoutin..
IT GRATES TO BE A FLORIDA GATOR!Never have quite have understood that considering my hearing ain't too good, but I certainly do agrees with them considerin the stalkin' and all.
I will fill you in on a little mor later after they calm down a bit.. They is beginnin'to sound right nasty!! LOL
gatorstud said:
posted on June 8, 2007 12:55 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
tomcat #112...aahhhh yes....shukin oysters by moonlight....living on the space coast when growing up was real cool......walk 1/2 one way and go surfing....or walk a 1/2 mile in the opposite way and you can ski all day in the river.....but, bunky's raw bar in satellite beach....was the best.....shukin oyster on a sat. while watching football......it just didn't get any better than that....
Rammer Jammer said:
posted on June 8, 2007 12:57 PM — 199.89.170.92 — link — abuse?
Tampa Gator
I'm curious; why do you say Billy D's representation was sincere, and Saban's wasn't? How do you know that? The only difference is Billy D apologized in front of a TV camera and Saban didn't. Saban felt that he did nothing wrong(meaning he wasn't in negotiatons until after the reg. season ended. Which, to this day he still claims)
If this same situation would have happened at FSU or Miami; you would be screaming from the mountain tops about how sorry, and what a lying piece of crap Billy D is.It seems as if now that it has happened to the Gators; it's suddenly not a big deal.
BTW- love reading your posts. Very informative--and funny
ROLL TIDE
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 8, 2007 1:23 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Tomcat (#112):
It's quite obvious FSU fans such as "Bandwagon" Joe are extremely jealous of the fact that UF has pulled even in MNC count...
Reason being is the fear of being surpassed with an impending run at a third easily within the next two years after this season...
In addition, to the extra Heisman hardware Tebow and/or Harvin will be competing to pick up within the next few years...
Especially, at a time when the Nole program is swimming in hopeful ideals but still shrouded in doubt...
With UF standing on the competitve cusp of a third MNC in the next few years...
FSU stands to slide into permanent third in the big three in MNC's, Heisman hardware, and head to head win % (they already own losing records to both UF and UCG)...
I'm sure pretty soon we'll here from "Bandwagon" Joe (again) how UF hasn't matched FSU's illustrious 14 year run of top five finishes...
Of course, as the rest of us know...
If you ain't first, YOU LOSE...
Or in other words, Noles like "Bandwagon" Joe like to brag about the 12 years they weren't good enough...
Which last time I checked, the goal in CFB isn't to "place"...
It's to win the whole damn thing...
However, Nole-E-ohs like "Bandwagon" Joe make me have a greater appreciation for standup Nole fans such as K-Hue & Semi_Nation...
As far as your menu choices...
Don't forget your grouper and "grunt" fish tossed in for a little variety...
As well as some of those fresh scallops pulled right from the Gulf shallows...
FYI- when cleaning scallops use a Shop Vac on them...
Sucks the crap right out leaving you with just ligament to cut loose...
Saves time and effort...
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 8, 2007 2:17 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Tomcat (#114):
FYI - Hogtown is an area right to the west of Gainesville...
"Bandwagon" Joe attempts to use it as an insult...
But...
Many that have attended UF or grew up in G-Ville use it from time to time as an affectionate moniker for the city...
TampaGator said:
posted on June 8, 2007 5:14 PM — 205.188.116.201 — link — abuse?
Gatorhip/#114:
I'd have to see that shop-vac/scallops deal to believe it (not doubting you...just have to see it before I even tried it). I used to go scalloping in Homosassa Springs; haven't been for years.
Grouper with...
...not a damn thing!
You don't bread it, you don't fry it, you don't season it...you just bake (or grill) & eat! No fish compares; none even comes close (well, perhaps snook--but they're hard as hell to come by; very intelligent fish...).
Dolphin and grits...another Florida classic...
...or dolphin & black beans and rice (a Cuban variation)...good stuff!
"Bandwagon Joe" --that's better than my "Yankee Joe"; and more fitting!
Gatorstud/#111:On the west coast, if people are surfing...that's usually not a good sign; usually means there's a squal brewing. I tried surfing--ONCE (Cocoa beach). Took me about 2 hours to get on the board...and I lasted about 1.5 seconds on it. You can have it; I'll drink my rum on the beach, and my beer in the boat...leave the surf'n for the young bucks.
"Bandwagon Joe"/#104:I went back and read that mess of post. What's up with the Huck Finn wannabe, psudo country boy, 'ol Grampa' lemonade tone?
You're posts are entertaining, though usually for unintended reasons. You still don't get it, do you? It ain't about your Yankeehood--Billy D and Urban Meyer are proud northern born & raised Gators; we love those guys!
...it's your pathetic attempt to play both sides of the Mason Dixon line, depending on which one suits you better in a particular thread; and that Huck Finn number did nothing more than bolster the point. Hence I believe the "Bandwagon" Gatorhippy hung on your handle, just might stick!
I'm out boys; have a good weekend.
GO GATORS!!Tomcat said:
posted on June 8, 2007 6:12 PM — 68.93.142.91 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy Thanks for the information,{ Hogtown} I've never been to that part of the country and we all understand that theres always one{ Joe} in every crowd.Its kinda juvinule to refer to the Gators as Lizards Etc.Etc. We all know that FSU is a great educational institution with an outstanding athletic programs. If I'm not mistaken I beleive Coach Brown played for and coached for the Noles.
BTW All this talk of seafood is making me ansee to take off for the coast- about 100 to 140 miles from were I live. What do you think of some of the XII OCC matchups I posted previously ?
Hookem-Horns
God Bless Hookiesgatordstud said:
posted on June 8, 2007 6:24 PM — 71.120.39.14 — link — abuse?
alright everyone...anyone living in the charlotte n.c. area?????
i am goin on vacation w/ my kids over the 4th...going to charlotte to see my brother & his family for a week.....he doesn't play golf...so i need some suggestions on some good courses to hit......
the floor is open.......
go gators....and hokies
The Mayor said:
posted on June 8, 2007 8:21 PM — 24.7.49.173 — link — abuse?
Gatorstud,
I go to Charlotte once a year and I like the Arnold Palmer Course, Birkdale Golf Club. north of town. I haven't played Ballantyne Resort but I hear that's the top course in the area.
Try www.charlottegolf.com for Public Courses.
Zac said:
posted on June 8, 2007 11:12 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
At last count, there were 123 comments in this thread. I wonder what % involved Mr. Donavan, what % discussed our gator-mates' issues with Joe (& vise verse), as opposed to that small % actually devoted to the topic of Larry Coker and his dream to coach.
This thread is about a guy who really thinks he has something to offer to college football, and he doesn't have a job. That's got to be tough, given he was once head coach of one of the most (arguably THE MOST) successful college football programs in the country, which included a NC. Whether or not they kids that won it were Davis' crop or not, Coker still lead them to a NC. Now, I mentioned this earlier, but I'll pose it as a question this time. Who was Butch Davis' Offensive Coordinator when Mr. Davis was guiding Miami into continued prominence? ANS: He to whom this thread is devoted. Obviously, he did something right.
Maybe the place for him right now is at a school like Akron, Baylor, Buffalo, Duke, E Carolina, Illinois, Montana, Stanford, Temple, Vanderbilt, Wyoming, UAB, to name a few. But given his success as an offensive coordinator, I think some head coaches out there should have had their heads examined, because they obviously missed the boat on this man. Just a thought.
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 9, 2007 1:12 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
T-Gator (#119):
I figured since old "Bandwagon" Joe was such a "Southern Boy" he needed a good old fashioned southern nickname...
And I'm happy to oblige...
I didn't belive it until I tried the shop vav trick either...
Works like a charm...
You gotta clean out the shop vac immediately after though...
LOL...
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 9, 2007 11:59 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
"bandwagon" Joe (#104):
I'm not really a big oyster fan, but I too do love them"Rockerfellered"...
Ever have the original version at Antoine's in NOLA?
IF you haven't...
Next time you're in NOLA, it's gotta be a must...
WOW...
I can't believe I'm makin' nice with old "Bandwagon" and offering him dining tips...
I must be ill... ;-)
Tomcat said:
posted on June 9, 2007 3:36 PM — 68.93.142.91 — link — abuse?
Thanks Zac For getting us back to business.
This year there were 23 Div-1A head coaching changes, thats 20%. Wow, wouldnt you think Coker had some offers ? I dunno When looking at potential openings
2-10 Buffalo
1-11 Temple Both these teams just got new HC's last year, you need more than 1 year to turn things around, right?1-11 E Michigan Jeff Genyk 3 years
2-10 Miami Ohio Shane Montgomery 3 years
0-12 Duke Tedd Roof 3 years
1-11 Utah St Brent Guy 2 years
4-8 Syracuse Greg Robinson 2 years
Things could turn around for the Orangemen this year, however I beleive that some teams expectations are higher than others and that Coach could be on the hot seat.
Coker has a proven track record that should afford him some opportunities to coach.
Zac some of the choices you mentioned have already hired new HC'sStanford hired Jim Harbaugh
UAB hired Neil Calawy
Hookem-Horns
P.S. Is Rockerfellered were you wrap them in bacon with a japeleno and throw them on the pit?gatorhippy said:
posted on June 10, 2007 10:28 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Zac (#124):
LOL...
But it's been fun...
Once again...
The problem I see with Coker is that he is going to have a tough time selling him self because of the steady decline of the UCG program from Pinnacle to mediocre...
Remember, before taking the head job at UCG, Coker was a career ASST....
The first HC job he gets he turns the program in the wrong direction setting it back tenyears in only six...
That makes it pretty hard to sell yourself...
TampaGator said:
posted on June 10, 2007 11:27 AM — 64.12.116.77 — link — abuse?
RammerJammer/#115:
"...Saban felt that he did nothing wrong(meaning he wasn't in negotiatons until after the reg. season ended. Which, to this day he still claims)..."
I never heard him deny he was in negotiations; I thought it been pretty well established that he was.
You're right though; you can't have it both ways, and I'm not trying to. As I posted in 110, if it comes out that Billy D was negotiating when he made representations that he wasn't...that'd be a lie; no way to sugar coat it.
Likewise, if Saban wasn't in negotiations when he represented that he wasn't...then he'd have done nothing wrong. If that's the case, then I've had the Saban/Alabama thing all wrong from the beginning.
I'll look into it; If I find that's the case--for what it's worth (who am I that it'd matter)--I'll come back on here, post that I had it all wrong, and plug for Saban. If you can refer me to any sources, I'd appreciate it.
________________________________________________
"...If this same situation would have happened at FSU or Miami; you would be screaming from the mountain tops about how sorry, and what a lying piece of crap Billy D is...."
I doubt that very seriously. The only reason I pay attention to basketball is because my alma mater is reigning NC. If it were someone else's, it wouldn't even register.
What's more, I have a soft spot for the 'canes, and when I go at it with 'noles, it's 99% reacting to their prodding (e.g.--Joe's relentless attacks, UF stole gatorade, Meyer cheating by texting recruits...).
I generally don't go around pissing other people's schools, unprovoked. My posts are almlost always defensive/reactive to someone else's attacks on UF or SEC.
That said, I'll 'fess up to taking a pretty solid stance against the hiring of Saban--but not as a 'bama hater (I was accepted to UA, and was 'bama bound, if UF hadn't accepted me); but because I didn't believe Saban would work out in the long term (I still have my reservations), and because I thought Shula deserved better--partially based on a 35-3 ass whop'n my Gators took year b4 last (although the #'s v. other rivals were clearly unimpressive....).
As for the sincerity of Billy D's comments; just giving him the beny of the doubt.
GO GATORS!!Tomcat said:
posted on June 10, 2007 12:32 PM — 68.93.142.91 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy # 128 What is UCG?
Cokers record as HC at UM
12-0
12-1
11-2
9-3
9-3
7-6
________
60-15 .800 bowl record 4-2
Never a losing season 5-2 vs FSU
3-0 vs UF
Interveiwed for the HC position at Rice University in Jan 07 David Baliff got the job
Baliff was HC at Texas State in San Marcos prior to that he was Def Coord for TCU Frogs #2 defense in the country at the time.
Go Owls
Go Frogs
Go Bobcats
Viva Los Spurs
A&M beat the H outa UM
Joe said:
posted on June 10, 2007 12:42 PM — 65.32.170.228 — link — abuse?
gator hippy,
the Rockefella that I make uses finely chopped Watercress, Spinach, onions, chives, anchovy paste,a couple of sticks of butter, small amount of garlic along with about a 1/4- 1/2 cup of Pernod or Herbsaint. bread crumbs or flour optional
Mixture is simmered and a small dollop on top of each opened oyster on a bed of rock salt. Put under the broiler remove when they start bubbling.
Certainly changes the whole ball game on Oysters.
Haven't been to NOLA and have not had any success at finding a Fla restuarant that did a decent job.
Usually just some spinach thrown on the top of an oyster. I would prefer them raw to that!
----------------
On the Donovan thing UF got real lucky. Had Foley worked out a deal with the coach in Virginia that would have been most embarrassing.Truthfully, I have no problem with Billy making a bad decision (for him), and changing his mind. However, reading 2 front page articles on Friday on how everyone should feel so sorry for Billy and how much pain and suffering he went through is a bit much for me. Especially since both those papers chose to acknowledge FSU's 2nd consecutive Men's Track and Field Championship on the last page of each sports sections today! That just seems a little too "agenderized" for me. I personally think such an accomplishment which has only been accomplished by 8 other teams in college history is just a bit more important than front page articles on how everyone should feel so sorry for Billy's trials and tribulations.
Oh well that is the Florida media! No wonder you guys get so upset when I post something less flattering about UF. The Florida media does well with their rather "biased" reporting.gatorhippy said:
posted on June 10, 2007 12:49 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Zac (#130):
UCG = University of Coral Gables...
I alread know what his record is but thnks for posting it year by year...
It illustrates my point...
If you were an AD and university president and you looked at that year by year run down versus his overall record...
It starts to not look so good...
Averaging ten win seasons, MNC, etc. are great general stats to throw out but it dillutes the truth...
Which is that Cokers record got worse as he went through his six years...
Of those 15 losses, over half came in his last two seasons, when his recruits should have been hitting their college primes...
Of his 60 wins, less than half came in his last three seasons...
I think Larry is a good coach, just not a good D-1 HEAD coach for a premier program...
He hasn't proven it to me and obviously not to anyone else yet...
But I'm sure he'll get another crack at it...
Joe said:
posted on June 10, 2007 2:45 PM — 65.32.170.228 — link — abuse?
Just my opinion was Coker's hands were tied on discipline matters by those running the program.
If by the end of the season he does not have a Division One head coaching job at a decent program your opinion will have merit as well as your assertion that no one else thinks he is a quality Division One Coach. Until then we will just have to wait and see.... Despite your assertions I believe he will be in Division One in 2008.Canes305 said:
posted on June 10, 2007 3:08 PM — 70.181.242.172 — link — abuse?
Dead wrong whoever wrote that Coker was a scapegoat regarding Miami problems. Obviously written by a non-Canes fan not close to the situation.
Coker inherited Butch Davis' players and went on to win a title, squander one away and rattle off a 34-game win streak. 12-0, 12-1, 11-2, 9-3, 9-3 and 7-6. The proof is in the pudding. The program eroded from within, the old man lost control of the program and he couldn't recruit his way out of a wet paper bag.
Coker is a perennial assistant that MIGHT be able to coach a lesser program with lower standards. As an offensive coordinator at The U (1995-2000) he called pretty good plays and opened it up a bit. Once he was the #1 guy in charge, he got ultra conservative and started playing not to lose, instead of playing to win. It was about percentages, winning "enough" games each year, etc. He has no killer instinct.
Look at what Florida did to Ohio State this year in the title game. The Sunshine State speed was a difference maker, as was Urban Meyer's playcalling. He outcoached the pants off of Jim Tressel and won a title.
Miami had the better players going into the 2003 Fiesta Bowl and was a two touchdown favorite. Willis McGahee. Andre Johnson. Ken Dorsey. Roscoe Parrish. Kellen Winslow II. That offense should've easily scored more than 17 points in regulation, but Coker was way outcoached by Tressel and Miami was forced to play Buckeye football instead of setting the tone.
Even with the b.s. flag in OT, Coker didn't argue it. He was clueless and reactionless as everyone knew he was way in over his head.
Best of luck wherever he goes from here... just as long as it's out of the 305 area code.
Tomcat said:
posted on June 10, 2007 3:13 PM — 68.93.142.91 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy #132 I'm not Zac, thanks for the information I thought UCG meant University of Cane Gangsters. Those type of comments are part of the reason coach Coker is gone. The brawls and off the feild problems that the U has had in recent times.After the FIU game the public was appauled, these type of images cost Coker his job dispite his proven success.
Now with a new HC the mighty Hurricanes will again be in the national spotlight and hopefully the players can conduct themselves with class and dignaty. They should project a positive public image and make the school and Alumi proud like Texas A&M.
The Texas A&M University Fighting Aggies will play the Hurricanes in Miami this season.The Aggies fired the most successful coach they ever had R.C.Slocum after going 8-4, the next year they went 4-8.
The A&M vs UM ought to be one heck of a game.
Hookem-Horns
Gigem-Aggies'Cane Mutiny said:
posted on June 10, 2007 5:32 PM — 65.9.216.157 — link — abuse?
116, Gatorhippy - You're gonna talk smack to the Noles because you guys are even in football NC's?? What happened to the Gators talking about how all college sports matter, and that's why Miami's FIVE football NC's and FOUR baseball NC's don't matter compared to all of Florida's water polo and golf titles?
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 11, 2007 7:40 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Cane_mutiny (#136):
UF athletics have acheived at least one individual or team national championship every year since 1981...
Which is why UF is considered and mentioned with the other premier athletic programs in the country such as UCLA, USC, Stanford, Texas, etc.
UCG?
gatorstud said:
posted on June 11, 2007 8:38 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
joe #131....as far as donovan...i don't think anyone should feel sorry for him...since he put himself into that position...i just thought that when he stood in front of the cameras and said that it was a huge mistake....and it was made by himself and he accepted the criticism...he didn't try to hide or use other people as scapegoats.....jmo
congrats to fsu on their track and field championship...i saw the 200m event...wow that guy from fsu....when he hit his stride....he was gone....all championships should be celebrated just like football and basketball....it shouldn't matter what the sport is (cane mutiny # 136).....it should be celebrated...congrats to fsu....two in a row....tough to do in track & field
people who only care about football and basketball are not real fans of college athletics...or their associated team....they are just part time fans....plain and simple....
go gators.....and hokies
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on June 11, 2007 9:01 AM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
gatorstud #138:
Thanks for being such a class act and congratulating the FSU program on their back to back NC's in track and field. I appreciate the respect given by Gator Nation.
I completely agree with your assessment of "part-time" fans and all NCs should be equal. I pull for FSU in all sports, from football, to basketball (it's not pretty most years), to baseball (constant heart ache falling short every post season), to women's basketball, to anything else under the sun. I do take a little more pride in FB and Basketball simply because those sports interest me more and I can follow them more closely. I bleed Garnet & Gold and it's great to see all the teams compete.
No one can touch UF's recent run (though technically it's not over because they havent been dethroned in either sport). It's been exciting yet painful to watch at the same time. Though, I must say it's good to keep the championships in the GREAT STATE OF FLORIDA - even if my Noles haven't contributed lately.
However... we're coming back with vengeance this year!
GO NOLES!
Joe said:
posted on June 11, 2007 9:41 AM — 72.91.91.6 — link — abuse?
Well Canes 305 post #134,
Understand your point and just like FSU fans blame everything on Jeff Bowden, UM fans pin it all on Coker. Funny, Butch Davis didn't win any titles with UM, but now suddenly he gets credit for all Coker's victories? I tend to agree that Coker may have made mistakes recruiting just like FSU made mistakes recruiting over the last few years.
If holdover Shannon and his new staff show real improvement this season the release of Coker will indeed look like a good move.
JMHO but I think most of the nation will be looking at how the players behave on and off the field, and how tight of a ship Shannon runs. If UM players stay out of trouble, I think UM's image will improve dramatically.
TampaGator said:
posted on June 11, 2007 10:28 AM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
Joe #'s 131, 133, 140:
What the hell's going on here? Did someone pirate your handle? No jabs at UF (other than a gripe about media coverage)? What gives?
I actually agree with your take on Coker. As I've posted several times, my brother is UM alum, and he and I have gone at it repeatedly over this issue.
I thought Coker was solid; he thought Coker needed to go, about 2 seasons ago. I think a lot has to do with bitterness over that heartwrenching loss to OSU after '02 (as pointed out by Cane305). My bro always points out--and I can't disagree here--that Coker made his bed when he canned Kehoe, et. al.
I don't know for sure what prompted that move, but I have to think something more than a 3 loss season promted such drastic change (why not just can the OC? seemed like an obvious move)--what I perceived to be a strong undercurrent undermining his coaching authority (which I think came into play in difficulty in luring coaches to Coral Gables).
As for a new DI job; I think the only reason he wasn't hired was because none of the openings fit him (and he didn't really market himself).
He's no Bucth Davis or Steve Spurrier; he's not the type of coach you hire to rebuild a program; he's the kinda' guy you hire for stability (look for him to replace next coach hired to NFL).
My $.02.
GO GATORS!!Joe said:
posted on June 12, 2007 8:37 AM — 72.91.91.6 — link — abuse?
Gator Stud,
I agree that no one should feel sorry for Billy but that was the gist of 2 front page Headline articles on Friday 6/8 in both the St Pete Times and Tampa Tribune.
Understand that I most certainly believe that Billy signing a contract with the Magic and then changing his mind the weekend of 2nd and 3rd were most certainly "HEADLINE" stuff even for the next few days.
However, the follow up stories that were emphasized as headliners by UF writers for the Tribune and Times in which the express purpose was to make Billy's "bad decision" into some sort of "tear jerker" rivaling "Ole Yeller" was just a bit too much for me.
It must be nice to have the state media always in UF's hip pocket. Just perhaps over 50 years of seeing such stuff gets a little old for fans of other programs in the state and who knows? might be the source of my concerns at times for the UF program. I do believe that FSU or any state school winning a repeat National championship in Mens Track and Field is a most noteworthy accomplishment and most certainly deserving of 1st page headlines for the State of Florida newspapers and media. I am not certain if it even made local TV coverage and that indeed is a shame.
gatorstud said:
posted on June 12, 2007 10:24 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
joe #142.....the whole billy donovan news coverage was also manifested by the gators new athletic hardware...or should i say "crystal"ware.....just after florida won it's second b-ball title, espn ran a story on how the gator program is at the top and how the state of florida is a hotbed of talent....billy's good fortune threw him into the spotlight and eveything he did was on the front page...if he had just won consecutive sec titles instead of national titles..would the magic ordeal gotten as much coverage.....a coach changing his mind has never gotten this much coverage since bill b. snubbed the jets for the patriots....
jmho....very true about "second hand sports" coverage...these athletes from other sports like wrestling, tennis, volleyball, track & field, as well as many others......work just as hard at their respective sports as football and b-ball players....they lift weights..spend all their extra time working out, reviewing film, practicing till their legs fall off...and when the feel like they can do no more..they go to class and graduate.....and is the feeling of winning a national title, standing there holding a trophy any different for volleyball player compared to football of b-ball....if you think so...then i ask you to watch a gymnastics meet, or go watch a track and field event....and see the look on their faces when they find out they are the best in the NATION.....and no-one can take that away from them...ever...
so once again...gongrats to fsu's track and field team....keeping them national trophies in the state of florida.....way to go fsu....
go gators...and hokies
Joe said:
posted on June 12, 2007 11:02 AM — 72.91.91.6 — link — abuse?
Tampa Gator,
It does appear there is more going on at UM than meets the public eye. I tend to agree that it appears someone else may have been calling the shots for Coker. JMO but he may not have been the one making the choice on Kehoe? Most certainly there are other things in play with the selection of "popular choice" Shannon after attempts to woo others failed.
Again, JMO but when Miami received its NCAA problems that were more or less a confirmation of stuff that had gone on since the mid 80's,I believe Erickson was likewise made a bit more of scapegoat than necessary. I believe UM's problems have always started at the top. As long as those in power there have control, I am not so sure UM's problems with their Student Athletes on and off the field will be over. The Andre Johnson, Nate Webster, Willie Williams, and Tremain Mack situations weren't handled properly administratively. Who was responsible for those decisions? That is the Core of UM's problems IMHO.
TampaGator said:
posted on June 12, 2007 11:10 AM — 205.188.116.201 — link — abuse?
Joe/#142:
You might have a ligitimate gripe about media bias if UF had won back to back championships in track and field, and that trumped news of FSU's Basketball coach signing on with ORLANDO Magic (not like it was Utah or someone)...
The media has been completely consistent--CFB and Basketball matter; nothing else does (according to the media--I'm not saying that as my perspective).
Couple that with the fact that the team he signed with was a local pro team...and add to that the national media's--especially ESPN's--coverage of the Billy D episode, and their almost complete disregard of FSU's accomplishment...
...it's not a Gator bias at play here; it's a CFB/Basketball bias.
Final point for consideration: FSU may have gotten short changed on exposure now, but if those athletes represent USA in the Olympics--there may be (usually is) some exposure incidental to that, for FSU.
My $.02.
...and for what it's worth--Congratulations to FSU for the back to back T&F NC's!
GO GATORS!!
Joe said:
posted on June 12, 2007 3:05 PM — 72.91.91.6 — link — abuse?
Tampa Gator,
Again I am not stating at all that the Donovan didn't deserve Front page coverage during the proceedings when it occurred.
However, Friday's Headlines were for only one purpose to turn Billy's "mistake" into a "feel good" story. Nothing wrong with that really either BUT it is not worthy of being the dominating headline for both papers after everyone most certainly was well aware of the whole issue.Track and Field championships most certainly aren't as important as Championships in Football or Basketball. At one time Track and Field was more important.
I can remember reading of Bob "bullet" Hayes top billing. Remember Houston McTear? Track just isn't that important anymore to the media.
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gatorhippy said:
posted on June 2, 2007 10:23 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?He'll get a job somewhere...
Even if it's in D-II, III, or NAIA...
He could probably take a job in a lower level division or NAIA and be more satisfied...
Especially at his age...