September 2, 2007
Upset of the Century?
There's a lot of "analysis" out there about Applachain State's win over #5 Michigan - the first time that a DI-AA school has ever beaten a ranked D-IA school - most of it centered around the question as to where this upset ranks in the history of college football.
For my part, I would say that this is one of the biggest upsets ever. I didn't see much of the game, but the clips I've seen on the web show App State QB Armanti Edwards looking every bit the D-IA stud QB. I'm inclined to think he's pretty good (he's got some DI-AA rings, right?) but I also suspect that Michigan's defense -- which has proven itself capable of losing a game several times in the last five outings -- also played a role in UM's epic loss.
Some additional thoughts on the loss:
SMQ: There is no order. The Earth is flat. We are alone in a universe of chaos and cruelty. There is no purpose to our actions, especially those concerning the predicting of the outcomes of football games. I am so, so sorry for Michigan....
"The upset of the year!" suggests one of my friends on the phone. "This reminds me of Miami Ohio's upset over LSU in 1986," texts another. No. No. They lack understanding. A I-AA team beat Michigan. This shakes the foundation of my comprehension of the world to such a vastly greater extent than any upset, sighting, conspiracy theory, apparition, miracle or act of nature I could possibly cite. This is frogs raining from heaven. This is physically impossible.
Deadspin: The Division 1-AA (now called something else) champs from Appalachian State came up to the Big House and ran roughshod over the Corn and Blue.
ACC Now: Upset of the millennium? ... ASU AD Charlie Cobb, a former assistant AD at N.C. State, is going to have a hard time finding another I-A opponent..... Michigan coach Lloyd Carr, who was already in a tenuous position, might not make it through the weekend.
Fanhouse Blog: Would Michigan Can Carr?
Fanhouse Blog: What Went Wrong
Of course, special teams killed Michigan. The Wolverines came up empty on a pair of two-point conversion attempts, but that wasn't the biggest sin committed. Not one, but two fourth-quarter field goal attempts were blocked. The fateful final try wasn't even close, as Corey Lynch flew through the Michigan line like he was shot out of a cannon. It looked almost like Lynch got there before Jason Gingell had a chance to put his foot to the ball. Once that happened, it was celebration time for the folks from Boone, North Carolina.
Think of it this way: in a conference that includes teams like Indiana, Northwestern, and Minnesota, it's MICHIGAN that is embarrassing the conference. Let that sink in for a moment.
And a little credit where credit is due.... Michigan a Top 5 Team? Will The Voters Ever Learn? by the great GatorPilot... back in July. Not saying he called it, but... he's looking pretty smart today, huh?
ASU students tore down the goal posts following the win... at their own field.
And to think, Michigan paid App State $400K to wreck their season and hand UM their most embarrassing loss in 128 years.
Comments:
Vince Young said:
posted on September 2, 2007 11:35 AM — 71.203.208.208 — link — abuse?
Worst loss of the millenium? No. But one of the top 5. Answer the following question,...can the two time champion Appy State beat the worst team in 1-A? If the answer is yes....then the 6th ranked Tennessee loss to the 108 ranked Memphis Tigers in 1996 is a worse loss. View from Rocky Top
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 2, 2007 11:49 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
That is the main reason Division 1-A teams should not schedules Division 1-AA teams. If the D-1A team wins in a blowout SO WHAT! But if it loses? How can Michigan forget this! Looks like the Big 11 is Wisconsin's to lose! Ohio State did not look that great against THE PEGUINS.
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on September 2, 2007 12:26 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
OK.... so which is worse.
The absolute beat down the Irish took
OR
The embarassing loss Michingan took
Michigan CAN still wind up in a BCS game by winning their conference. So Michigan still has something to play for.
Now I do realize this is only the first game of the year, but if Notre Dame was in a conference, they could put the loss behind them and move on with the rest of the season. I suppose the goal now is to win out, but how real is that?
I am sure Tennessee has put the loss to Cal behind them and are getting ready for SEC play as Virginia and NC State should be doing for ACC play.
If you are going to schedule a cupcake, make sure you can win.
JoePa said:
posted on September 2, 2007 1:16 PM — 70.109.69.72 — link — abuse?
Another reason why there should not be a pre season ranking and why there should be a playoff for 1A. The UM season is over before it started and it couldn't have happened to a nicer group of cocky players, coaches and fans.
Second thought - Big Ten Network - Friday Night Tailgate show hosted by Mike Hall. The intro jingle with the "large woman in a swim suit" picture was rather rude - must not have been created by a Big Ten alum.
If this is the type of programming we can look forward to, then I am happy NOT to have the network. Note to Mike - this is a sports show, not a comedy show. And that segment that had the two dorks at two Big Ten campuses - I've seen better programming on my local cable access channel.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 2, 2007 2:05 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
ut had scheduled Utah but it looks like those series were cancelled. I will do some research to find out why they were cancelled but the way ut is scheduling these sure or almost sure wins...ut probably cancelled! But it is a disappointment to see a "so called" powerhouse have such a weak non-conference schedule! ut fans I'm all ears to hear ya' comments on this. Like that old Hefty commercial. OU future schedules: Hefty, Hefty,Hefty! ut future schedules: wimpy, wimpy, wimpy!
GA Boy said:
posted on September 2, 2007 3:11 PM — 97.89.29.93 — link — abuse?
I remember in 1996, the DAWGS scheduled Georgia Southern after they had won the 1-AA championship a couple of years in a row. They came in between the hedges and gave us all we could handle. I never wanted to see a 1-AA team again after that. I would much rather open up with a team like Boise St (we killed them) or Okl State (we killed them). With a cupcake team, you have nothing to gain and everything to lose, but an impressive win against a team that some people are picking to beat you is much more satisfying. Good job DAWGS in scheduling a decent team to open the season. Gotta hate to be a wolverine fan today. GO DAWGS!
cock'n'fire south carolina 101 said:
posted on September 2, 2007 3:24 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
dang that was so funny last night at the south carolina game when they announced the scores in between quarters, everybody was like HOLY CRAP and then the stadium starts cheering...and i wanted to see him return that blocked kick for a touchdown but the michigan kicker caught up to him! good game i have to say, i like watching the powerhouses going down
c-dogg said:
posted on September 2, 2007 3:45 PM — 76.188.187.94 — link — abuse?
Ohio State fans should not be celebrating this too much. I recall OSU getting rid of Coach Cooper for Tressel and now the Buckeyes own Michigan......sound familiar? (think Les Miles).
Buckeye fans should be pissed that this happened because Michigan could have ran the table and lost to OSU & their bowl game(again) just like Cooper use to do. I can promise you that Les Miles would start beating Ohio State.
c-dogg said:
posted on September 2, 2007 3:52 PM — 76.188.187.94 — link — abuse?
(#14) Good point gatorhippy. There is a lot of speed out there @ smaller schools. Not everybody can sign with the big schools (limited scholarships). That type of upset could happen to ANY school. I'm just glad Miami beat Marshall.
Go Canes!
PS anybody seen those trash-talking Michigan fans posting here lately? You know the ones.....that whined about not getting their rematch with Ohio State before USC pounded them. Where are you now! :O)
cock'n'fire south carolina 101 said:
posted on September 2, 2007 4:10 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
post 26
yeh about the michigan fans, i bet if they were talking they would say something about the officials singleing them out or the sun in their eyes or even saying it was a fluke...i dont think someone acting all cocky like that has the balls to come out and support his team after a loss to a div 1-AA school
PopsMich said:
posted on September 2, 2007 4:13 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
c-dogg, you know I was right here after yesterday's game. I thank you for the kind words on another thread here at FanBlog.
While I won't talk trash (most times), I'll be here. You can talk speed all you want, Like Lloyd Carr did yesterday, but that is BS!
There is simply no excuse (NONE!) for UM getting beat yesterday. There are plenty of reasons, but NO excuses. Hopefully the program gets a needed remedy and joins the modern, competitive game - and that includes all facets. Recruiting, coaching (acquisition), facilities (yes, the "U"), and feeding the hungry fan base.
I can only hope this is a wake-up call in Ann Arbor.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on September 2, 2007 6:35 PM — 76.114.231.180 — link — abuse?
I tell you what....I didn't get to see the game for myself........but from what I've seen from viewing the few clips available on the web this was no fluke. App St. looked awesome.
IMHO Michigans Rose Bowl dream has turned into a nightmare as well. I just can't see Michigan bouncing back from this one. They'll do well enough to make it to a bowl game, but upper tier is outta the question.
My gosh.......I can't believe football season is finally here. I'm ecstatic!
Bleed Crimson said:
posted on September 2, 2007 6:47 PM — 130.160.147.104 — link — abuse?
wow.
thats all anyone can say.
i truly feel terrible for michigan fans. they all probably truly believed their team was a #5 team and that their conference was the best. then their whole entire world got turned upside down.BUT
imagine if Michigan would have made that last field goal for a second. the close win would have been credited to opening jitters. then they could win out and everyone would have forgotten that game.and ya know what?? ill bet michigan wins some big 10 games this season.
MICHIGAN IS A NUCLEAR BOMB FOR THE BIG 10. WHAT DOES IT MEAN IF MICHIGAN WINS OUT?
college football is sooooo F'ed up. the moment you think youve got it figured out, App State beats michigan, california beats tennessee, auburn barely beats KSU?
APPALACHIN STATE DIDNT JUST KILL MICHIGAN, IT KILLED THE ENTIRE BIG 10 CONFERENCE!this was an eye-opener for me.
I will now re-rank the conferences for 2007:
1. SEC
2. Pac-10 (that one hurt but Cal really impressed me)
3. Big East (wow)
4. ACC
5. Big XII
6. Big 10indieguy06 said:
posted on September 2, 2007 7:05 PM — 71.110.207.42 — link — abuse?
I don't see why other Big Ten teams are cheering that Michigan lost to a D1-AA team. That is an embarrasment and a disgrace to their entire conference. People have been talking about how weak the Big Ten is, then this happens! What does that tell you? As an SC fan, if Cal or even UCLA lost to a D1-AA school and was ranked at #5, i'd be emarrased to even be associated in the same conference. Even more if we ended up losing to them the same year. WOW, go AP STATE though!
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 2, 2007 7:56 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Dear Michigan,
We were looking at playing Appalachin State to complete our 2008 schedule. But after their 34 -32 victory over you we have decided to go with Florida Atlantic. Those guys played you all tough just like Arkansas State did against my boys. I know how it feels to be favorite by 39+ points and fell to cover the spread. Well in your case get upset. Take care and keep your chins up!
Sincerely,
William Whack Brown
University of texas
Head Football Coach
c-dogg said:
posted on September 2, 2007 9:03 PM — 76.188.187.94 — link — abuse?
Popsmich (#28)
I wasn't referring to you. Yes, you took your lumps like a man. I was referring to that other irritant who couldn't shut up about the rematch they thought they deserved against Ohio State.
As far as Miami's facilities....the recruits don't seem to mind. Check how we are doing in that area. Dolphins stadium doesn't hurt either.
captski said:
posted on September 2, 2007 9:05 PM — 70.144.97.150 — link — abuse?
I live 30 miles south of Boone, NC; and when I saw that Michigan was going to play the back to back Champ of 1-AA, I checked out the odds in Vegas and put down $20 on ASU to win... I knew ASU was fast and had a great young QB; this team can stay with any 1-A team and will definitely be a back to back to back to back 1-AA champ....this win meant alot to me$$$$$
Tom Blogical
posted on September 2, 2007 10:31 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse?
said:
"Buckeye fans should be pissed that this happened because Michigan could have ran the table and lost to OSU & their bowl game(again) just like Cooper use to do."
It's a double-edged sword. On one hand, it sucks because it diminishes The Game. Last year's game was probably the best game in the series, and I would've said that if OSU lost. On the other hand, it was enjoyable after reading Mike Hart's comments after last year's game.
"I can promise you that Les Miles would start beating Ohio State."
Oh, goodie, I love guarantees and promises! Would you promise me I'll win the lottery tomorrow? Please?
Regan said:
posted on September 2, 2007 10:59 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Yes.
The biggest upsets in CF to date have been:
Navy over Army, 1946 (I think...pretty sure it was in the late '40's); and
Temple over Virginia Tech, 1998.
Both upsets involved 2 teams of DI-A or the equivalent. This was DI-AA over DI-A; it was shocking when Maine beat Mississippi State a few years back.
This? There is absolutely no way in any shape or form that anyone outside the App State Locker room would say there was a one-in-a-hundred chance of ASU winning this game.
"Michigan 2007" has now become the answer to a trivia question that our great-great-grandchildren will ask.
TBH, I don't like the Wolverines, but I've gotta feel for them - it doesn't matter what they do for the rest of the year, absolutely no one will take them seriously.
c-dogg said:
posted on September 2, 2007 10:59 PM — 76.188.187.94 — link — abuse?
(#39) Tom Blogical,
Are you a Michigan fan? Although I am a OSU alumn. I could care less about either team. Only the Canes matter to me. Not Les Miles, not coach Tressell, coach Cooper, or anything that really has to do with the Big Ten. Just blogging......Tom....just blogging.
I know it's a slow night but let's not pick apart my comments like that. Sorry you didn't win the Mega Millions...none of us here did. :O)
Tommy Eller said:
posted on September 2, 2007 11:48 PM — 71.31.30.126 — link — abuse?
Why can't so many people accept the fact that maybe, just maybe Appalachian State has a good football team? Every michigan fan is looking for a cop out excuse as to why APP came into the big house and took it to them, they cant just congratulate app state on the W and take their L with respect.
Bleed Crimson said:
posted on September 3, 2007 12:05 AM — 130.160.147.104 — link — abuse?
Tommy Eller:
yea, i actually thought about it and watched the highlights and now im gonna re-post.
To me, it looked like Appalachin State could hang with any team in the top 25. Even though they're in division 2, they do dominate the division. All im sayin is, after watching that game, I dont think any team in the country would want to play that team. Thats the thing, Michigan was actually playin ball, but App. State was right there on their level. Michigan probably played the better game, but they missed a couple field goals and a two point conversion, and now their season is lost. The only thing is, I think michigan will win out the rest of their schedule and they might even play in a bcs bowl.sneadster said:
posted on September 3, 2007 7:32 AM — 67.34.196.151 — link — abuse?
For the most part, I am not a fan of the games pitting the Division I vs. the Division II schools because of the outragous scores. But I have to tell you that the Big Blue getting spanked by the other Mountaineers just thrilled me to death!
I believe that if all of the Big Ten schools had to play one SEC school, they would come out on the short end of the stick. As Flordia gave Ohio State a football clinic for the national championship, I believe that would be the same if the SEC played the Big Ten from worst to first!
My rankings for conferences are as following:
1. SEC
2. PAC 10-Big East (undefeated in bowl games last year)
3. ACC
4. Big 12
5. WAC (the most exciting to watch)
6. MAC - Big Ten
7. Mountain West
8. Conference USA
sneadster said:
posted on September 3, 2007 7:32 AM — 67.34.196.151 — link — abuse?
For the most part, I am not a fan of the games pitting the Division I vs. the Division II schools because of the outragous scores. But I have to tell you that the Big Blue getting spanked by the other Mountaineers just thrilled me to death!
I believe that if all of the Big Ten schools had to play one SEC school, they would come out on the short end of the stick. As Flordia gave Ohio State a football clinic for the national championship, I believe that would be the same if the SEC played the Big Ten from worst to first!
My rankings for conferences are as following:
1. SEC
2. PAC 10-Big East (undefeated in bowl games last year)
3. ACC
4. Big 12
5. WAC (the most exciting to watch)
6. MAC - Big Ten
7. Mountain West
8. Conference USA
badgerballer said:
posted on September 3, 2007 7:40 AM — 71.34.156.237 — link — abuse?
Ah, #48 - you seem to forget, another Big10 school DID play another SEC school in a major bowl game last year.
Here we Badger fans sit, preparing for yet another season of 'complete off the radar' existence. While Michigan lays the biggest egg in history, and OSU and PSU both beat up on the other's younger sister, one team in the Big10 did play a major-conference opponent, did smack the crap out of them, and still isn't being mentioned on ESPN, on this (or any other) blog, and somehow manages to be in the top 10 but forgotten again.
Yes, we Badgers feel disrespected - but Michigan has earned the attention its getting right now. What a joke.
John said:
posted on September 3, 2007 8:30 AM — 66.41.109.93 — link — abuse?
I couldn't be happier that Michigan choked in front of 100,000 of their faithful fans. Hard to play a great game with your hands around your throat. Not to take anything away from Appalachian State, because as we all saw, the better team clearly won. Brings back memories of when Northwestern beat Notre Dame their Rose Bowl season. Every year Michigan is HIGHLY OVERRATED!! And what happens, they end up in some meaningless bowl game and usually get trounced. Lloyd Carr is a great coach, huh? LOL, he's done. Can someone please tell me the last time Michigan won the national championship? I, probably as many of you do, have trouble recalling.
Ragin' Rooster said:
posted on September 3, 2007 9:05 AM — 167.127.24.69 — link — abuse?
Cha-Ching ... yep, I took App & the points! Don't really have a dog in this fight but I got a couple Franklins in the pocket which is even better!
The only recipe for Mich fans is one big slice of Humblie Pie compliments of the 'underdog'!
Iowa Hawk Fan said:
posted on September 3, 2007 9:19 AM — 69.66.90.248 — link — abuse?
#49 Badgerballer:
Even though I bleed black n gold- you are so right! Wisconsin has an awesome football program and a terrific coach! They are always overlooked by the BCS and do not get the national attention they so deserve.
Go BIG10!
Tom Blogical
posted on September 3, 2007 10:05 AM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
(#43) c-dogg
Am I a Michigan fan? Perish the thought, and thankfully no, that's a whole new level of pain Michigan fans are going through.
"I know it's a slow night but let's not pick apart my comments like that. Sorry you didn't win the Mega Millions...none of us here did. :O)"
Agreed, and I should've put a smiley after my comments. Butcha did say you promised. Just sayin'. ;-)
If I won the Mega Millions, I promise you'd be the first person I'd share the money with. Once a Buckeye, c-dogg, always a Buckeye. Heh! :-D
(#50) Barry in MO:
"What'll happen if BOTH Appalachian State and
Michigan run the table from here on out??"App St will win the Division I-AA title and Michigan will go to a so-far undetermined bowl game. I've heard others ask this question, and there is no way they'll be able to go to any BCS game, if that's what you might be thinking.
But...it is just one more reason to be in favor of a Division I playoff, though.
Zac said:
posted on September 3, 2007 11:13 AM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Badgerballer (Post 49), there-in lies the issue I have with yesterday's feat by Appy St. At least MI knows what it feels like to be beaten by a Champion. Sadly, MI's demise overshadowed a number of accomplishments yesterday. Cal shut the door on #15 TN. Auburn survived a determined KS St. VA Tech got over the emotional roller coaster over a game ECU. How about BC opening against last year's ACC Champ, Wake, or GA opening against OK St? Finally, I get to #7 WI, who opened against a not so shabby WA St, was challenged early, but pulled away. But, who cares? MI was beaten by, God forbid, a 1-AA school. (I can't wait to see what everyone will say if WI beats MI.) I thought #3 ranked WVU opened against a decent team in W MI, and they got the fewest highlight reels of any teams that day. I have a nutty feeling WI & WVU are going to be in their version of a Rodney Dangerfield contest when this season is over. What do you think?
Zac said:
posted on September 3, 2007 11:24 AM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Almost forgot, I wouldn't rate this as the upset of all time. I'm not even certain I'd rate it Top 5, Top 10, perhaps, but not Top 5. For example, didn't MS St beat FL St in the early 90's, and wasn't that considered a colossal upset?
sneadster said:
posted on September 3, 2007 11:59 AM — 67.34.196.151 — link — abuse?
To Zac on Post 57:
I think that WVU and Wisconsin are big time Rodney Dangerfeild teams. West Virginia has three very tough games in UL, Rutgers, and another Rodney team UCF. I think that they (UCF) will be the Big East team to watch. I think that Wisconsin is the Big Ten team to beat.
West Virginia's biggest problem I saw last year was the fact that they had a class "c" secondary and a Division II defense overall.
Wisconsin has to get past PSU, Michigan and OSU to get the respect they deserve and I think only one of those MAY be undeafeated at that time and I hope that is OSU, so Wisconsin can deflate their bubble.
Regan said:
posted on September 3, 2007 12:14 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Zac (#57-#58):
I agree with you that a big weekend in CF kinda slipped below the radar due to Michigan's loss. (For Tennessee's sake, I'm kinda glad...).
Virginia Tech, Auburn, and Texas dodged bullets; BC and Georgia got strong wins, etc.
However, I will have to disagree with you about the magnitude of "The Upset". It would have been news if #25 Texas A&M was beaten by a DI-AA team. This was Top 5 Team Michigan, the winningest program in CF History, the same team that has been to 30+ straight bowl games and hasn't had a losing season in....well, too long.
"The Upset" is worth every word in print and pixel, and is already one of the defining moments of the season.
You are right, though, if Michigan goes 3-9, it won't be nearly as important.
Lastly, Mississippi State did indeed beat Florida in 1992 and 2000, but that was the Jackie Sherril (sp?) era, and the Bulldogs were much better back then. They even won the SEC West in 1998. In 2001 Florida beat a ranked Mississippi State 52-0, and they haven't been ranked since.
Zac said:
posted on September 3, 2007 1:05 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Sneedster, I think WVU still has work to do on "D", but I don't think they're in the trouble they were in last year. It'll be very interesting if (It could happen.) we see multiple undefeated teams this year. It won't be easy for any of the top teams. OK has a tough 5 game stretch between visiting Miami, and their trip to TX. If they can get through that, realistically they could run the table. (I would have included TX in that argument, but the way they stumbled against AR St...sorry Tomcat.) GA Tech has arguably a favorable schedule save for back-to-back trips to MD & Miami, + the ACC Title game. GA looked good against OK St; they have only 4 games away, but 2 are at TN & GA Tech, not to mention the SEC Title game; likely against LSU. Trips to OSU & PA St are WI's potential traps; PA St's are at MI & MI St. Forget about FL St; they travel to Clemson, CO, Wake, BC, VA Tech, & FL. If they get through that schedule, & the ACC Title game, no way does USC or LSU deserve #1. LSU has one of the more favorable SEC schedules I've seen in a long time: at MS St, Tulane (O.O.C.), KY, AL, MS; perhaps not all givens, but manageable. VA Tech, SC, FL, & Auburn are tough; they're also at home (Dare I mention Mid TN St & LA Tech?). WVU is at MD 5 days following their 1st ever visit to Marshall; not to mention road trips to S FL, Cincy, & Rutgers; Louisville at home will be no picnic. USC will be tested at NE, WA, CA, & AS St. The rest of their schedule is manageable. VA Tech had better have been hiding their play-book from LSU against ECU or their title hopes die at LSU. Otherwise, other than a visit to GA Tech, their schedule is manageable. As for FL, well, we know Tebow can get the ball to his WR's. That's half the battle. Soon we'll see what he can do under pressure. The point is, it's just too early to tell. But, what if USC, LSU, OK, & WI wound up undefeated? In how many languages can you spell Play-Off?!?
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on September 3, 2007 2:25 PM — 76.114.231.180 — link — abuse?
"Upset of the century"?
As of "right now".......yes it is.
Now if Michigan continues to struggle and is just plain terrrible the rest of the year? Then.....no it's not the upset of the century.
Everyone will be talking about how "pre-season rankings" mean nothing.
nittany blue said:
posted on September 3, 2007 4:26 PM — 68.58.64.209 — link — abuse?
Congratulations on your practice game against this "cupcake"...next time do your homework when scheduling these auto wins...face it, you lost to the better team Saturday.
It must be a bummer to be out of the national championship hunt before the 3:30 games even started on September 1. Relax, even with this lose, you guys would still be ranked in the former 1-AA. Probably around 22-25.
As far as this Nittany Lion fan is concerned, Uncle Lloyd should be give a lifetime contract. And remember, you can't spell Lloyd, without the 2 "L"'s first.
nittany blue said:
posted on September 3, 2007 4:28 PM — 68.58.64.209 — link — abuse?
Congratulations on your practice game against this "cupcake"...next time do your homework when scheduling these auto wins...face it, you lost to the better team Saturday.
It must be a bummer to be out of the national championship hunt before the 3:30 games even started on September 1. Relax, even with this lose, you guys would still be ranked in the former 1-AA. Probably around 22-25.
As far as this Nittany Lion fan is concerned, Uncle Lloyd should be given a lifetime contract. And remember, you can't spell Lloyd, without the 2 "L"'s first.
College Pigskin Fan said:
posted on September 3, 2007 6:36 PM — 4.244.36.159 — link — abuse?
A few things have come from this game that you can bank on...
The "fire Lloyd Carr" websites are up and running.
With Oregon, Penn St., Mich St. Wisconsin, and Ohio St. on the schedule, Michigan will be shopping for a new coach by Thanksgiving.
In the last three games, Michigan has given up 42 points to Ohio St., 32 points to USC, and 34 points to Appalachian St. Ron English has seen his head coaching chances go down the toliet.
The next time you're having a bad day at work, remember it could be worse, you could be Lloyd Carr.
James Hufferd said:
posted on September 3, 2007 7:39 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Fool that I am, I watched this game to see if the perenniel 1AA champ could give a vaunted team like Michigan a decent game, and, who knows? maybe even upset them. I expect that when any game is scheduled by any respectable program, it is with the understanding that the outcome is not 100% certain in advance, and that fans are not being asked to fork over $$ just to watch a beating administered -- which, to me, would be a fraud and a travesty of the most disgraceful sort. Whenever a game is scheduled, the implicit question to the guest team must be, "Let's see if you've what it takes to come into our place and beat us." So, what's the answer? Did Appalachian State have the talent and grit to do just that, or not? They didn't beat Michigan because Michigan is a bad or weak team, they won because they were good enough to win. End of story. As for Michigan fans whining & crying -- THAT is disgraceful! "We can't get into a BCS bowl now," they whimper, forgetting that most teams -- certainly including Appalachian State, unless they join Division 1 at some point, will NEVER get into a BCS game. And, what makes Michigan so entitled? You have to WIN OUT to do it! Win the Big Ten championship, and you're in the BCS, am I wrong?? GO FOR IT, and if you don't win your conference championship, WHY SHOULD YOU BE IN THE BCS, ANYWAY?? Don't make yourselves losers by continuing to whine! Sports is for sports! Be one!
badgerballer said:
posted on September 3, 2007 9:23 PM — 71.34.156.237 — link — abuse?
Took a lot of balls for you to write that anonymous post. We're all impressed.
Next time you want to call someone names or express some sort of ill-sentiment toward a member of this board - man up and attach your name to it. Own your posts or keep your frigg'n yap shut.
Weenie.
hokie4life said:
posted on September 3, 2007 10:14 PM — 67.72.98.118 — link — abuse?
this goes to show you any given Saturday. Why would UM consider Appy St. to be a push over? THey just got their asses beat by the two time defending national champions in AA. THis means they are GOOD michigan!! I live 1 1/2 hrs from Boone so I obviously pull for the local teams. This is fantastic!!! Hey Mich may wanna consider playing a lesser opponent than the national champs bunch of dumbasses!! Mich paid Appy 400,000 grand to get a "SURE" win. Plan backfired! Mich should totally drop from the top 25.
hokie4life said:
posted on September 3, 2007 10:15 PM — 65.6.248.122 — link — abuse?
this goes to show you any given Saturday. Why would UM consider Appy St. to be a push over? THey just got their asses beat by the two time defending national champions in AA. THis means they are GOOD michigan!! I live 1 1/2 hrs from Boone so I obviously pull for the local teams. This is fantastic!!! Hey Mich may wanna consider playing a lesser opponent than the national champs bunch of dumbasses!! Mich paid Appy 400,000 grand to get a "SURE" win. Plan backfired! Mich should totally drop from the top 25. Yes RANK APPY!!!
cock'n'fire south carolina 101 said:
posted on September 4, 2007 12:44 AM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
ok post 29
cock and bull wow thats the worst one somebodys got outta my name so far, i think cock and misfire was the best one that sum1 could think of but cock and bull? u gotta be kidding me, anyway lemme get to the point...if you knew anything about south carolina u would know we have like 3 conference crowns, one of em was in 1969 when we were in the acc and the other 2 were around the 1930's we got 2 southern conference crowns...so mr poop michigan get your facts straight before u open your mouth
M Go Blu said:
posted on September 4, 2007 3:08 AM — 76.88.112.242 — link — abuse?
#49 Your precious unmentioned badgers lost pretty much hands down to Mich last year despite your SEC triumph. A little respect please?
#80 good point; that's an impressive history. Much more impressive than UMs national championships and Big 10 championships.
What is with all the anti-Big 10 emotion in these blogs. Overated? The "mediocre" Illinois, Purdue, Northwestern, Mich St, Iowas etc. have all had impressive wins over other conference "all-star" teams? People just like to think they are flukes. Why do people think SEC teams like US.Carolina are anything more than a Purdue of the south when they are at their best? PSU, OSU, Wisc, Iowa, MSU, and even Mich can all do some impressive things this year in and out of conference. The Big 10 is one of the more UNDERATED conferences. One fluke loss to a great division 1AA will not mar their reputation. Guaranteed it could happen to anyone. Mich will lost (a lot) this year. They are just not that good with such a bad coaching staff. But the Big 10 is a force to be reckoned with.
Mich: 6-5
OSU: 10-1
PSU: 9-2
MSU: 9-2
Wis: 9-2
This will be about right, with other teams in the Big 10 still faring above .500.
SEC: .300
Go Blue! Mediocrity or bust!Zac said:
posted on September 4, 2007 8:09 AM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
I'm as impressed as the next guy with Appy St's win in the Big House. That having been said, I'm with Lloyd Carr on this one. It's gut-check time for the Wolverines. They may have been beaten fair & square, but that's only one game, not to mention the 1st game of the season. There are 11, potentially 12, games left. Despite the pain the MI faithful are going through, Oregon is still coming. So, what are ya gonna do, Maze & Blue? Are ya gonna cry in your soup all week, or are ya gonna get up for the Ducks & show em what MI is really made of? No one can do it for you; it's entirely up to you. A loss is just that: ONE loss; it's not the season. Just a thought.
gatorstud said:
posted on September 4, 2007 9:00 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
ok..i have waited all weekend before posting anything regurding the michigan game...living here near the indiana-michigan state line i come in contact with a lot of michigan fans...now on friday i went up to eagle lake to look at a house and noticed a lot of michigan flags waiving high and proud......then we went back on sunday for a party and those michigan flags had been brought down....this is is how bad michigan fans feel....i wanted so bad to rub that loss in their faces but i just couldn't bring myself to do it....the look in their faces when they talked about the game was just plain shocking....
i feel sorry for the michigan fans who put their faith in their head coaches to get their team prepared....this loss was epic...and i do not want to take anything away from Appl. State..they played a great game...they are a damn good team and two time national champs in 1-AA.....but in no way....no way should a good 1-AA team be able to come into your house and beat you...especially when your the no. 5 team in the nation....and this was the year that michigan was supposed to get to the big game....i truly believe this is going to be Carrs last year.....this loss will hang over their heads for years to come.....
now some teams will take this game and try to justify why they schedule div. 1-AA teams (florida and others).....but you just can't....this shouldn't of happened....this is a travesty to the fans and alum who expected better results....who deserved better results from the no. 5 team in the nation....
so from here on out i will not take any more pop-shots at michigan fans for this loss...and i hope that fans like mgoblue and popsmich can get back to enjoying the football season...
jmho....
go gators...and hokies
posted on September 4, 2007 10:36 AM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?War Eagle Atlanta said:
Everyone on here was pulling for App State to beat Michigan. No one thought they would. Once they did, (does anyone block on special teams?)it's pretty exciting. But if you put yourselves in Michigan's shoes, it really sucks. They'll rebound, though.
goblue said:
posted on September 4, 2007 11:37 AM — 24.105.169.66 — link — abuse?
There is lack of enough evidence to say that this game is "upset of century". The win by Applachain state may be accidental or may be real solid one. Whatsoever, all we know right now is UM, which is at worst if overrated an above average team in division I, lost to a very good team in college football. If it is a real solid win, no body knows what is going to happen if Applachain state plays UF, USC, LSU, WVU, Texas, or any other top 25 ranking teams. Who knows where Applachain state is ranked in the division I. ND loss to GT looks worse to me. They only got 3 points on board.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on September 4, 2007 11:50 AM — 216.46.212.169 — link — abuse?
I'm back. (sniff sniff)
Well.....I suppose most of you want to hear me acknowledge that we suck here at Michigan..........and we did........
Before I tear into the Michigan coaching staff.....and the Penn State fan.........
I would like to give a message to our senior running back Mike Hart......You have my utmost respect. To watch you.......not only on the field, but on the sideline as well.....you are one incredible Wolverine, and I will never forget the Character you have shown on and off the field.
Mike Hart rushed for 180 yards......in 2 quarters.
When things were falling apart he was on the sideline COACHING!!!!!
When there were only ten players on the field for kick...Mike Hart ran onto the field to BLOCK.While I am not very proud of Michigan right now......I am proud of Mike Hart and of our young defense that stepped it up in the second half.
Go Blue
M GO BLUE said:
posted on September 4, 2007 12:00 PM — 216.46.212.169 — link — abuse?
nittany blue, so you think Lloyd Carr sucks......HE DOES!!!
With that being said, Joe Paterno has coached against Lloyd Carr 8 times in the last ten years...........AND ALL 8 WERE WON BY Lloyd Carr.............you'd think Penn State had already beat us.........go ahead all you Big Ten fans, put a Big Fat W right next to the Michigan game..........just like Michigan did to the mounties.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on September 4, 2007 12:19 PM — 216.46.212.169 — link — abuse?
The Michigan coaching staff is paid millions of dollars to recruit, train, and to lead.......
LLOYD.....WHY WAS MIKE HART ON THE SIDELINE COACHING THE OFFENSIVE LINE ?
LLOYD.....WHY DID'NT WE PREPARE TO DEFEND THE SPREAD AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH EVERY SINGLE TIME WE PLAY AGAINST A RUNNING QB OR A SPREAD.....WE GET TORCHED ??????
WHY IS IT ....I UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO ADAPT AND CHANGE OUR GAMEPLAN DURING THE GAME......NOT JUST AT THE HALF BUT LLOYD GETS PAID MILLIONS NOT TO FIGURE THIS OUT ???????
OLD SCHOOL FOOTBALL IS NOT WORKING.
And one last thing..............UNLEASH YOUR OFFENSE !!!!!!!!!!
The app state coach would love to have the Michigan offense at his disposal.
Carr, it was'nt that our offense did not get the job done..............they tried..........they tried to fight a war with........WITH MUSCKETS AND SWORDS.............and we were playing against a team fighting with bombers and laser guided missiles.........Carr .........lets give our guys the same weapons our enemy's have........GIVE OUR GUY'S A FIGHTING CHANCE.
badgerballer said:
posted on September 4, 2007 12:22 PM — 71.34.156.237 — link — abuse?
#90 - You are; "ND loss to GT looks worse" - ??? You ARE kidding, aren't you? I mean, c'mon bro, at some point one as to look at oneself and say, "I'm just being a homer". Whether it was the 'worst loss ever' or not, there's no way of sugar coating this one.LOTS of teams lose to Georgia Tech. Five to nine schools lose to them every year. Georgia Tech is a team that goes to, and wins bowl games. They are a D1 team, and in a major conference on top of that. It would be bad enough if ND lost to a team from the MAC, SWAC, Mtn West or something like that. And even then people would be saying, "at least they didn't lose to a D2 school, like Michigan did".
Michigan has 85 scholarship players. EIGHTY FIVE. I heard on sports talk this morning that App. State has 65 guys on its ENTIRE ROSTER! There is no way this should happen. Its like the #16 knocking off #1 in March Madness. (Which also has never happened.) They can't. They're just out-gunned, out-manned, out athlete'd - they simply do not have enough horses in the stall to be able to win.
You have to own this one, man. You boyz laid a historical egg.
CW said:
posted on September 4, 2007 12:23 PM — 204.84.232.251 — link — abuse?
ASU,
I've talked with several ASU years in the past 2 years. I was shocked at their record with players that seem much smaller than SEC/ACC... However, they train non-stop! Before 5AM and year around! The advantage I obviously observed is that they are a well oiled machine. They are not intimidated and will spend hours looking for weakness. I developed a lot of respect for their organization and "team oriented" talent. The humor in this will cause anxiety for the PAC & Big Ten which “strangely” locks most of the BCS bowls. What excuse will be made for keeping a 3 loss SEC team from playing in a NT bowl? Especially if the NT bowl is a one loss Mich ( defeated by ASU) playing USCW? ASU's win should cause a BCS computer malfunction like last years UCLA win over USCW? The BCS has to or no credibility will be left for the BCS.
goblue said:
posted on September 4, 2007 1:02 PM — 24.105.169.66 — link — abuse?
#95-I just mean how bad a ND team is right now. They just scored 3 points at home against a good GT team. They had completely no competition. They should be at a place of mid or low D-II. UM was beaten by Appalachain state, a quality team who may beat other good D-I teams too. Someone wants to call a "upset of century" because we all thought appalacahin state has no way to play agaist a good D-I team before the game.
goblue said:
posted on September 4, 2007 1:16 PM — 24.105.169.66 — link — abuse?
#95-By the way, I am not an UM fan. Actually, I am consistently against UM. I just feel it is not fair for UM at the moment. Appalachain state must be a very quality team because they beat UM at big house. I wonder if any top D-I team can do this for sure.
hokie4life said:
posted on September 4, 2007 1:46 PM — 216.89.164.100 — link — abuse?
#98 Any given Saturday! Any team can knock off the other. This... This is a proven fact. Look at the season last year and look at how this season started!!! The rankings mean nothing at this point in the season. There shouldn't even be rankings until October. Lets think it through, how did the voters think Mich was the #5 team in the country or better yet VT #9. Who's to say Appy ST. couldn't run the table in the bigs? I wonder when the people in charge will figure that out! Just goes to show how stupid people really are.
Marko said:
posted on September 4, 2007 2:59 PM — 97.97.163.193 — link — abuse?
What happens IF Michigan runs the table and goes 11-1 beating a top 5 Wisconsin and top 10 Ohio State and top 15 Penn State? Would a two loss team get the nod over Michigan in a title game if there is no other 1 loss contenders? Just food for thought, Michigan going 11-1 and potentially in a national championship game SCREAMS for a playoff system.
gatorstud said:
posted on September 4, 2007 3:14 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
marko #100....the only way i see michigan getting into a title game is if all other eligible teams have two losses....if there are a bunch of teams w/ one loss, then michigan will, and should be at the bottom...we have all had conversations on how playing 1-AA teams hurts strength of schedule in november...well, if that is the case...then LOSING to one should be ten times worse.....and honestly i do not think that michigan will end up with only one loss...too tough of a conf. schedule....
i really think this loss to appl. state is going to hurt michigan all year....and will eventually keep them out of a bcs game.....jmho
go gators...and hokies
Cane_Nation said:
posted on September 4, 2007 3:21 PM — 216.43.57.202 — link — abuse?
I believe it was the Michigan fans last year saying that Florida should not have played in the title game because they played Western Kentucky (I think it was Western Kentucky). Now you think Michigan should be able to slip into the title game after LOSING to App State.
P.S. Did anyone catch the interviews with App State's quarterback? I thought only the big boys recruited this type of student athlete.Cane_Nation said:
posted on September 4, 2007 3:22 PM — 216.43.57.202 — link — abuse?
I believe it was the Michigan fans last year saying that Florida should not have played in the title game because they played Western Kentucky (I think it was Western Kentucky). Now you think Michigan should be able to slip into the title game after LOSING to App State.
P.S. Did anyone catch the interviews with App State's quarterback? I thought only the big boys recruited this type of student athlete.Bill said:
posted on September 4, 2007 4:04 PM — 205.240.46.143 — link — abuse?
Again, like almost every year, Michigan could roll out a wheelchair team and start the season in the top ten. Well guess what boys, you gotta play em, every play. When will the Big Ten figure out that modern football relies more on speed and quickness than on size and brawn. Southern football coaches figured it out years ago. Michigan and Notre Dame got a lesson on Saturday. It takes more than over hiped coverage by the stupid media to make a champion. Ohio State got a lesson from Florida last year. When will they learn??
gatorstud said:
posted on September 4, 2007 4:25 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
1st and nole...are you serious...did you just start watching and following college football this year.....this is a devastating loss to michigan and it's fan base.....it wasn't against notre dame, ohio state, or even in-state rival michigan state....it was against a div. 1-AA team....it shouldn't matter who it was or what titles they hold....it shouldn't of happened...and if you ask any..and i mean any michigan fan they will tell you that this one hurts....more that losing to those other three.... .....michigan should of least wore them down by the end of the third quarter.....and then pounded them into submission...with a dose of good defense and heavy-duty running.......but it just didn't happen....leaving all of wolverine nation wondering what the hell just happened...
now if it was florida that got bamboozled by a div. 1-AA team..are you saying that you would be taking it easy on us right now.....i really don't think so....
michigan will get over it...football will go on in Ann Arbor.....but they will never forget it......nor will they eveer forgive carr for letting it happen...
jmho
go gators...and hokies
1st_and_NOLE
posted on September 4, 2007 4:51 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse? said:
I'm not going to blast any program for losing ONE game. Especially a program as accomplished as Michigan.
App St isn't some mystery team, they've played other BCS schools tough.
Should it ever happen? No, you're right. Michigan should NEVER lose to a 1-AA team. But they did, so does that mean suddenly they're a bad program? No.
One game doesn't turn you into a bad program.
Even if UF loses to App St, that still doesn't mean UF is a bad program. Again, one game doesn't turn you into a bad program - even if you are UF - that doesn't only apply to certain elite schools.
Zac said:
posted on September 4, 2007 6:06 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
no longer give a flying fu...nabela as to what happened in the Big House this past Saturday. It's history, and it only involves 2 teams. There are 118 more BCS Division teams out there, not to mention those which are members of the Championship Division (formerly 1-AA). Week 2 is coming. There will be lots of games played. There will likely be upsets; maybe not up to the magnitude we've witnessed, but they will happen. All things considered, I'm currently on my knees praying there will not be an upset in Huntington, WV this weekend. If you love your team, you might want to say a similar prayer for them. Just a thought. (Come on! What harm can it do?)
Eye of the Tiger said:
posted on September 4, 2007 7:16 PM — 138.163.0.43 — link — abuse?
In Michigan's defense they were playing a team that is much better than at least half of the teams in Division 1A. A few years ago when LSU had JR, Bowe, Landry, and all the boys they still only managed to beat that team 24-0. Hats off to APP St.
posted on September 4, 2007 7:37 PM — 70.180.45.10 — link — abuse?
M GO BLUE,
How does that juicy end of the crow sandwich with the sh!tspread you're biting down on taste? What's the consistency like? Describe its texture to us who don't shoot our mouths off about being the "kings of college football" in the offseason...
I do give you credit for trying to save some semblance of a shred of dignity by talking about how Lloyd's 8-0 versus Penn State's version of Weekend At Bernie's...
Face it...The team that owned you to end the year last year got owned by the SEC Champ, and now you got punked out by a I-AA...err...Football Championship Subdivision (did I get that right?) team, and this is in an era which the Big 10 as a whole has slumped significantly on the national landscape within the last decade...
None has slumped further, or lower, than your Big (Black &) Blue...
Your team and program are an embarassment to your conference, and to D-1 college football...Own it like a Scarlett Letter, bucko...
Zac said:
posted on September 4, 2007 8:17 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Most of us have said it one way or another: Like individual teams, every conference has their slumps. Last year lots of bloggers ragged on the ACC…and the Big East. This year, lots of bloggers are ragging on the Big 10…and the Big East. So, Big 10 fans, look at it this way; at least you're in good company.
GA Boy said:
posted on September 4, 2007 8:26 PM — 97.89.29.93 — link — abuse?
I gotta go with 1st and Nole on this one. Get off Mich's back. They lost, they shouldn't have but they did.
Everybody on here seems to be getting so much pleasure out of this. I know how badly I felt when the DAWGS lost to Vandy and Kentucky last year. Everybody was ragging on us, but the fact was we did not play that great and contrary to popular belief, Vandy and KY were pretty good teams. Same thing for Mich and App St. App St played a great game. I myself hope you win a few big ones to make you feel a little better.
As for my DAWGS though, the boys looked good in the 1st game. They are YOUNG, FAST, FAST, FAST, and TALENTED. I can't wait til the old ball coach comes to town next week. If they tackle like they did this past weekend, we should hang about 42 on them!!! GO DAWGS!! Richt for Prez.Gatorpilot said:
posted on September 4, 2007 11:20 PM — 71.42.27.135 — link — abuse?
Thanks for the props, Kevin!
Tampa Hurricane
posted on September 5, 2007 8:41 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse? said:
CW, re: 96for those of us with intelligence, that can't understand a typical SEC fan's thoughts, can you try to explain to us in English what the hell "I've talked with several ASU years in the past 2 years" means.
Mountaineer13 said:
posted on September 5, 2007 11:06 AM — 71.16.5.242 — link — abuse?
Lloyd Carr, for all practical purposes, simply underestimated the skill of our football team. Should he be fired? I dunno. That is for the UM community to decide alone. However, we (ASU) "won" this game. That is, it was not handed to us. Yes, Michigan should have beat us by 20+ points. But we were better conditioned, stuck with what we knew best (spread offense), and executed.
Before Michigan takes a bashing..give credit to the victors.
captski said:
posted on September 5, 2007 7:16 PM — 74.227.208.156 — link — abuse?
For those who wonder if a college team could beat a pro team....it was probably before most of you were born....but; a pro team would play a college all-star team each year after the pro season ended; and yes, the college all-stars did win a few.
Cinny B said:
posted on September 6, 2007 12:43 AM — 71.229.22.98 — link — abuse?
Some vicious shots being lobbed across the bow on here.
1. Problem: UM losing to D-1AA team. It doesn't matter what the score is or how the loss was almost a win. The fact of the matter remains, that UM under Lloyd Carr has significantly underachieved. This is Michigan; the most wins in D-1A history! This is the same reason why Michigan has lost 3 straight years to to OSU and three straight bowl games to more talented teams. If you don't have the talent, you're going to win. Of course there is coaching that has to be done, however, at the end of the day without more talent than the other team you're going to loose. Michigan was out-talented on Saturday. And out-coached.This brings me my second point: FSU
2. Problem: FSU still mired in common-place. Again, recruiting talent. Right now FSU has one 5 star recruit in Antone Smith, three or four 4 star recruits, then a bevy of 3 star recruits. That is why they are still looking exactly the same as they did in 2004. Bobby can bring in the best coaches money can buy and it still won't help without the talent. Go back to the amazing, unprecedented 14 year streak, FSU was just stock piling talent, defining the term reload. In those years, FSU was basically going out and out-talenting teams and unfortunately in those games where talent was matched, too many times the coaching or injury plagued the 'Noles.#57, a little homer-ism there, but true. Of all the top ten teams they got zero press. However, top teams shouldn't get press if the go out and do their job with workman like attitude. Don't worry, Slaton and White will get their respect when they start dropping 300 yards rushing against conference foes.
#58 FSU opened against So. Miss in 89. An unknown QB, Brett Farve, guided the Eagles to 30-26 win. Now back then the AP poll just expanded to 25 teams, and was just beginning to cement the program at an elite level. FSU was no where near the stature of a UM, which in 1989 would win the NC. In 1989, little 'ole FSU was still a giant killer and playing in the defunct Metro conference. So, I really wouldn't call it an upset, granted FSU was no. 6, but by no means were they Michigan.
IrishJT said:
posted on September 6, 2007 8:29 AM — 71.207.207.83 — link — abuse?
I have a great deal of respect for Michigan. However, I have a hard time listening to Michigan fans critique the Irish and their loss to Georgia Tech. I agree, the Irish didn't shake down any thunder. However, we didn't lose to a Division II team. We lost to a team that has won at least one National Title, plays in the ACC, won 9 games last year and went to a major bowl. But the main reason why Notre Dame would NEVER lose to Appalachian State...we would never schedule anyone but a major D-1 opponent. No SWAC, Sun Belt or MAC teams need apply.
Let's talk about tough schedules, gritty traditions and solid character of a program. If we do, we will always mention Notre Dame. I'm not sure Michigan, the winningest program of all time and only team to hold a winning record against the Irish, fits into the 'tough schedule' category at all.
gatorstud said:
posted on September 6, 2007 10:51 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
irishjt...i can't see how any michigan fans could be talking about notre dame right now....
but as far as the rest of the nation....it is open season...charlie better come up with a better gameplan this week...that had to be one of the poorest performances i have seen by the irish in at least a decade...it looked like they were running the q-back option the entire first quarter.....
charlie is now working with his reruits now..not willinghams anymore....and after giving him a new contract...this loss looks bad...we all knew the irish were gonna be young and inexperienced, and their schedule doesn't really give them any breaks, but what i saw on saturday made me nautious....
now i am not doggin on the irish, but this is not looking good from any perspective...the irish could go 0-5 to start the season....and that just won't sit rite in south bend......
jmo.....good luck this week....
go gators....and hokies
Cane_Nation said:
posted on September 6, 2007 12:09 PM — 64.232.116.202 — link — abuse?
IrishJT (Post 129)
For once i ALMOST agreed with you. You had me right up until you started on the schedule. I give you all the credit in the world for the first half of the season, but come on. You don't think App State could beat the service acadamies? And Michigan State is just a name. Your schedule is VERY top heavy, but it is also Very bottom heavy.
Zac said:
posted on September 6, 2007 2:58 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
Cinny B, thanks for the CF history lesson!!! I knew FSU had been ranked Top 10 and had been beaten by a MS team around 1990. Unfortunately, at my age, memory is no longer a sure thing, and I just hadn't had time to research it. Wouldn't you know it would involve one of my favorite players, Brett Farve. (I've been a Green Bay fan ever since I met Ray Nitschke & Bart Star.)
Anyway, every body seemed to make a big deal of it back then.
Hey, Kev!!! Maybe that would be a good future thread. What are the Top 5 or Top 10 biggest CF upsets of all time?
Don't look at me for answers. I'm still ticked off over all the times Temple beat WVU.
posted on September 6, 2007 3:11 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Cinny B: Good point about Michigan underacheiving, but you miss the big picture. Not to dog pile on Michigan, who have the coolest uniforms and fight song in college football, (you're welcome) but they are the quintessential underacheivers of all time in college football.
860 wins and only three legitimate national championships? (sorry, I don't recognize back-dated titles) And only one NC in the last 57 years? They don't make enough of their opportunities. Don't get me wrong: I like Michigan. They're a top-ranked program. The point I make is valid, though.
Speaking of beat-downs, do you know that Notre Dame has played GA Tech more times over the years than they have Michigan? ND has played Michigan only 34 times in 120 years, and has played Ohio State only 5 times. Why do you have to travel far and wide when you have plenty of great competition in your own back yard? Hmmmm.
CW said:
posted on September 6, 2007 3:49 PM — 204.84.232.251 — link — abuse?
tampahurricane,
Ahhh you reappeared! Sorry for the sentence semantics! Two of ASU's players were invited to speak at a meeting I was attending and afterward I talked with them about their program/training and I was impressed! They train intense and are well conditioned. More importantly they play as a team better than most other colleges I'm familiar with. I told several students to watch out for them at Michigan. I didn't think ASU would win but at least be ahead in the 3rd quarter. Put it this way ... ASU could give most SEC teams a battle. In fact I could see Tennessee fairing as Mich? As for the Pac ... USCW.. I don't think they could have done near the job that Michigan did. It would’ve been like Ohio St v/s Florida.
posted on September 7, 2007 11:14 AM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
IrishJT: More likely answer: They duck real competition.
2nd most likely answer: NBC doesn't want to jeopardize automatic BCS bid.
3rd most likely answer: Navy sounds so much more glamerous than 'Michigan'.
Here, Irish, enough joking already. You're the top defender of Notre Dame football on here, answer this question for me: ND played in the 1925 Rose Bowl, then didn't play in another bowl game until literally 1970. Why? Obviously, it wasn't because they didn't qualify. I don't know the answer. I figure you would know.
badgerballer said:
posted on September 7, 2007 11:45 AM — 4.228.225.99 — link — abuse?
Michigan is beaten up, and it is at least questionable whether it can be called one of the few 'elite' programs in the nation right now. UM has now lost 3 games in a row. 'Elite' programs don't do that.
Let's face it, UM's defense is big and slow. They nearly lost to Ball State last year. Their defense has allowed USC to score at will, and allowed Ball and App. State to each score in the neighborhood of 30. I can't imagine Ball State or App. State hanging 30 on Florida, LSU, VTech, etc.
UM has earned the piling-on that's currently taking place. Their coach is, in my opinion, not up to the task at a school with such a fine tradition.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on September 7, 2007 12:13 PM — 216.46.210.156 — link — abuse?
Badgerballer, It is time for Lloyd Carr to go........not now.......but at the end of the season, my reason being, he has led us to an undefeated season in the past, and I would like to give him a chance to leave with at least half a shred of dignity.
Having had time to think since last saturday......I believe Carr is very good at what he does......which is old school football (three yards and a pile of dust) The problem is that our defense is built to stop an old school team, which is the reason Penn State and joe pa, have not been able to beat Michigan even once in the last ten years, but what Carr needs to understand is that not every team plays like Penn State........the problem is that things are changing........and Carr does'nt know how to coach a modern team.
Even despite the app state loss, the Lloyd Carr coached Wolverines have had some great season's and some great games.....but i really hope for Carr's sake that Michigan can finish the season strong so Carr can retire with some respect.
Go Blue
Zac said:
posted on September 7, 2007 1:49 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
I'm gonna kid anyone, as to whether or not I'd appreciate WVU getting beaten by any 1-AA school, let alone a champion like Appy St. Oddly enough, WVU did play JMU one season, beat them badly, and JMU went on to win the 1-AA NC. An ESPN analyst said that was probably the best team WVU beat that season.
That having been said, I've been talking to a lot of NE fans about last season, and this season’s 1st week as a whole, not to mention last night. This will surprise many of you, but here's the consensus of the group:
1) Boise St should have been "seriously considered" for the NC last season.
2) The Top 10 1-AA schools would likely qualify for the 1-A Top 30, if not the Top 25.
3) MI was beaten by a well prepared, well coached, championship caliber team; while it should be considered an upset, they have nothing to be ashamed of.
My personal opinion on #3: This is only a big deal because it's never been done before. Now that it's happened, don't be surprised to see it happen again soon. That is, provided a strong 1-A team has the balls to schedule from among the strongest 1-AA teams. Given what happened to MI, I think the fashionable trend of scheduling 1-AA teams will end.
longhorns26 said:
posted on September 10, 2007 10:51 AM — 74.223.56.50 — link — abuse?
App. State Rules. I think lloyd Carr is about to get the sac. Oh if anyone thinks they know who the best running back will be this year then check out www.rushfor200yards.com u pick a running back each week who you think will put up the most yards. It's a race to see who can stack up 2000 yards first. www.rushfor2000yards.com
kyle jackson said:
posted on September 12, 2007 10:01 AM — 204.10.221.252 — link — abuse?
Dude Michigan is terrible the paid appalachian state 400,000 dollars to come and play football against them and lost there terribe! boo michigan
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posted on September 2, 2007 10:40 AM — 72.198.24.199 — link — abuse?How many times do you think Les Miles name has been brought in the state of Michigan in the last 24 hours….