November 18, 2007
Lloyd Carr to announce retirement - UPDATED
Posted 11-12-2007 16:40:46
Brian at MGoBlog has the inside beat on Lloyd Carr announcing his retirement.
Three separate sources indicate that Carr has made his decision to retire official and people around the athletic department are being told. The formal announcement will come after the Ohio State game, possibly at the Monday press conference, possibly a day or two later.
Although Brian generally has some pretty good sources, I'm not sure I would post this normally without a second source; however, there certainly are indications that something is going on at Michigan. The moderators at Rivals member site TheWolverine.com are deleting threads left and right about the Carr resignation, but have conceded that they are working on the story.
From my perspective, it sounds to me as if Michigan is trying to "manage the news cycle" and put the word out in a manner and at a time as they deem fit. I can't argue with that, as Coach Carr has definitely earned that at Michigan.
So... putting two and two together... it appears that Lloyd Carr will announce his retirement.
Which begs the question... who will be the next head coach at Michigan?
We asked the question last month in the wake of the Les Miles to Michigan rumors.
As many know, Les Miles is a Michigan man. He played there, he coached there, and many believe his heart is at Michigan.So, if the position came upon after this season, would Les Miles be interested? Well, he isn't saying no.
I don't want you to take the fast, hard line. I want you to hear me out. I am indebted to that school and those people. Not Lloyd or the president there. But the tremendous memory of Bo Schembechler, and the quality that I was exposed to both academically and in football at the school. So I cannot in any way change that view. That's an honesty. I can't tell you my appreciation. My wife, my first born, my entire life is marked by my time at Michigan. Yet, I'm in a wonderful place here. I've got a great team. If I lose or have any distraction to that fact, that I would spend fun time, my time on something else like the view of that, would be a mistake. It would be a mistake and I really can't.When I was a young coach, I had a school call me. It was so distracting. I did everything that I was supposed to do, but it affected me. Things like this really have no day-to-day change in the way I do things. I woke up at 4 a.m. today and I'm daydreaming, I'm not thinking about anything else but how to make this football team better. That to me is the right feel. I have great confidence in Michigan and they have a great staff there and they're going to do great things this year. I have no designs and nor has it ever been displayed to me that I'm the next guy, by anybody. I have given little or no thought to things that are not imminent. I really don't want to spend any more time talking about another program.
Lloyd Carr won a national championship and that staff is as quality as there is. I fully support what they're doing there.
As I said at the time, this was Miles showing interest... respectfully. Since those comments, there's been very little written about Miles statement, but he hasn't backed away from it at all.
Miles has a $1.25 million buyout if he leaves LSU for Michigan (compared to a $500,000 buyout if he leaves for another job).
Can Michigan afford $1.25 million plus his coach's salary? In a heartbeat. Chump-change to the Maize-n-Blue. The only question is... does Miles want the job?
UPDATE 11-18-07
The University of Michigan has scheduled a 10a press conference on Monday, November 19th, to announce the retirement of Lloyd Carr.
Carr will coach the Wolverines in their bowl game.
Comments:
T-Mac
posted on November 12, 2007 7:59 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
said:
Cowbell05, Miles is as good as gone and everybody kinda feels it.
Regardless of what happens with LSU, his heart is with Michigan.
He has said himself how much he loves Michigan.
The writing is on the wall.
The owner of the Miami Dolphins told Coach Saban to follow his heart and that he had his blessing.
Well, Saban's heart is in College FB just like Spurrier.
It's just life.
It's not personal.
*T-Mac approved this message.
TE
posted on November 12, 2007 11:21 PM — 70.180.45.10 — link — abuse? said:
T-Mac,
You'd freak if you heard who was contacting Board of Supervisor members talking about how unhappy he was and how ungrateful the fans of his school was, and how EAGER he'd be to come back to our school...
As it were, his agent has already contacted us about another one of his clients...
Seems that you'll not have to worry about "The Hat" anymore.
If Les Miles leaves Baton Rouge, you'll have to Fear The Visor...
TE
posted on November 12, 2007 11:54 PM — 70.180.45.10 — link — abuse? said:
Wouldn't hang you, but LSU needs to hire proven head coaches, and Pelini is not an on the road recruiter for LSU...
LSU's got dyanmite recruiters, and a guy who isn't involved in in-home visits is a liability as a head coach...
He'll be an excellent one eventually, but he's not the guy right now...
He's still VERY young at 36...He wants to run a big-time program, but he hasn't proven himself on the recruiting trail for LSU yet...If Spurrier comes, then perhaps after 5-7 years, he may have done enough to warrant the head job...
But, while he's not a Rick Neuheisel, that guy was too young, and so is Pelini...
Having said that, if he gets a head job, he's a perfect fit in terms of breeding a team concept that has players willing to run through brick walls while being a strict disciplinarian...
T-Mac
posted on November 13, 2007 12:04 AM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse? said:
TE, it wouldn't take Spurrier 5-7 years at LSU.
T-Mac should say, it won't take Spurrier 5-7 years at LSU.
T-Mac says 2-3 years for a Coach of Spurrier's caliber!!!
TE, are you hearing Franchione possibly heading to USC?
*T-Mac approved this message.
Stouds said:
posted on November 13, 2007 9:52 AM — 68.143.5.138 — link — abuse?
#11 = Actually for SC Spurrier has had better success than any previous coach. He is the only coach to take them to a bowl in coach's first two years, three if they beat Clemson. He has just gotten his first good recruiting class (best in school history)this past year. He has beaten UT at Neyland for the first time ever. He beat the Gators for the first time in 60 years, He beat UGA between the Hedges. Is SC a great team = no, but they will get better when he has all his own players, and some depth (they don't have any
). Tell me Sweet Home, since you just got a new coach, are you going to win an SEC championship this year? Are you even going to beat the big boys of the west (LSU and AU), cause Spurrier did with a non-traditional SEC power.
posted on November 13, 2007 10:32 AM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?War Eagle Atlanta
said:
Spurrier to Baton Rouge? Please. The man is 62 years old. His next stop is Augusta, GA, to be near God's own links. He'll stay at SC until he's ready to call it a career. Darth Visor isn't the job-hopping opportunist some may believe him to be.
But maybe if that Auburn job is open...
M GO BLUE said:
posted on November 13, 2007 10:41 AM — 216.46.211.125 — link — abuse?
I think coach Carr only retires IF he beats Ohio State, then I think he would retire......it would be a great way to go.......in the grand daddy of em all.
Coach Carr would still be a great coach.....if football had not changed in the last 20 years...but it has so for Carr I can only hope that he leaves with a Rosebowl.
When Carr leaves I would love to see Les Miles come to Michigan, but I would like to see our D-coordinator Ron English stay here, and as for our O-coordinator......he could'nt keep his job at Central Michigan.......AND AFTER WATCHING HIS STUPID PLAY CALLING FOR TWO YEARS.....AAAHHHHH.
GO BLUE
Mr2Bits said:
posted on November 13, 2007 12:37 PM — 66.89.151.21 — link — abuse?
I made this call last month when a HIGH LSU PROFILE ALUM I know said they had Spurrier locked up for next year.
Just wait,
Carr - Gone
Miles - Michigan because its easy to win NC's there, you really only have to beat OU and not lose to D2 schools to go
Spurrier - LSUjonsey said:
posted on November 13, 2007 1:06 PM — 167.197.127.130 — link — abuse?
Why would either Miles or Meyer want to go to Michigan? the SEC is not a steping stone, (not to go coach at Big Ten anyway, maybe the NFL though) its the top of the pile. next would be the XII. There is nothing at Michigan. a coach would be there, and he would be forgotten about. The SEC is where you can make a name for yourself. I don't keep up with big ten, and i didn't even know who the coach of Michigan was till this year- and that's because they started out 0-2. i'm sure people across the nation has heard the name, Les Miles and Urban Meyer. hell, this website proves it. the number of SEC blogs compared to other conferences is prolly about double. NO REASON TO LEAVE A TOP SEC TEAM TO GO COACH AT A big ten TEAM. who cares if that's his alma mater- he ain't stupid. the only reason Meyer or Miles would leave the SEC, is if they geot a deal like Saban got from Bama.
TE
posted on November 13, 2007 1:28 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
MGOBLUE,
Word around the campfire for Lloyd Carr is quite unfortunate...It's health reasons, and I've heard it is early stages of Parkinson's...
If that's true, it's terribly unfortunate.
Again, Les Miles should go to Michigan...as the Big 10(11) only has one coach right now who "gets" what it takes to win, and that's Zook and Illinois...Between him & Miles, they're the only guys who will know what kind of speed and athlete they'll need to recruit...
Miles is also far more aggressive than anything they've seen in Ann Arbor...EVER...
Offensively, you'll see better caliber of athletes because Miles will recruit a far better staff, and his schematically, he'll attract better skill position talent now that they know they'll be on display.
Defensively, Miles will make a name hire. He's DEFINITELY not afraid to hire a resume and a proven, results-oriented coordinator. He's done it twice here already (In Crowton & Pelini).
I think he'll be a good fit, and experiencing the caliber of athlete in the SEC, he'll probably elevate the entirety of the Big 10(11) to a new level they haven't been on.
Zook & Miles will bring the Big 10 into the 21st Century.
Zac said:
posted on November 13, 2007 2:36 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
I'm not about to try and predict what will actually happen here. I can't predict who'll win what games; I'm not about to predict what's in a man's heart.
For the sake of argument, consider Bobby Huggins, WVU's head basketball coach. WVU tried to get him 6 seasons ago; offered him the equivalent of 1.5 million dollars/year. Everyone knew he wanted to come home because he was a WV man. He stayed with Cinci. Then, there was his heart attack, a falling out between him and Cinci's AD, and finally he booked to KS St, where he did things there that hadn't been done in years.
Now, Huggins is finally at WVU, and for less money than that offered 6 years ago. Why, when he had achieved the best recruiting class KS St had seen in years, had the AD's support, the fan support, a team that believed in him??? Because his heart has always been in WV. Now, he's home, likely to stay.
A man has to do what's right for him. He also has to do that in his own time and in his own way. If home is where his heart is, and if MI is where he calls home, when the time is right, that's when he'll return. When the time is right, and only he knows the answer to that riddle. Just a thought.
While we're at it, if Miles does go home to MI, why shouldn't LSU consider Jim Leavitte of S FL? He's a solid defensive mind; he's one hell of a recruiter, and look what he's done with a program that didn't exist 10 years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd come with a lower price tag, and would wind up doing a lot more than Spurrier. Just another thought.
Stouds said:
posted on November 13, 2007 2:42 PM — 68.143.5.138 — link — abuse?
Spurrier is not going anywhere. If he wanted to go to a SEC program with MNCs, and a SEC power, then he would have gone to BAMA last year when they offered and taken the 4.5 million they offered him. He wants to win at SC, end of story.
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on November 13, 2007 3:16 PM — 65.74.223.105 — link — abuse?
#17: M GO BLUE, That's funny! Good one! Oh wait, you're serious?
I'll give Miles his due. He's a good coach and UM should be doing all they can to bring him up to Ann Arbor. However, any discussion of Les having more "class" than Urban Meyer ended at the beginning of this season with Les calling out USC (the one in CA) and Alabama/Saban. If Spurrier had done that sort of thing, half the posters on this board would be demanding his head.
When it comes to class, Miles is many grades behind Urban Meyer.
TE
posted on November 13, 2007 4:33 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
Stouds,
Spurrier is ours if we're on the market for a coach. He is NOT happy with the USC President for the admissions problems they fueded over.
Spurrier signed kids who were admitted initially, and then denied admission later on...
Spurrier was furious...
Oh, and one more tidbit...LSU just hired Florida's former System President to run the LSU System...
They are quite well acquainted, I might add...
posted on November 13, 2007 4:39 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
I agree with Stouds' sentiment. Spurrier could have gone to Alabama had he wanted a big name program to run again.
Even if he did send a message through the lines, it's only to 'really' get a message to the USC president about his admissions policy--read 'omissions'...
LSU will need a coach, but it will not be Spurrier.
But if it was, couldn't you just picture Spurrier using 'coon'ass' in a sentence?
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 13, 2007 4:46 PM — 75.120.246.143 — link — abuse?
#27 Alabama DID NOT make an offer to Spurrier. That was merely Fansblog.com members speculating. BAMA would not have offered him that kind of money. The powers that be know that BAMA fans have a deep hatred for him so that would not have been a good working relationship.
Stouds said:
posted on November 13, 2007 4:53 PM — 68.59.14.16 — link — abuse?
Your exactly right TE, he was furious over what the Admin did, and what happened? The president and anyone else who had a say in it stood down, and gave Spurrier the exact policy change he wanted from them.
Facts:
1. He wants to win somewhere that has not won.
2. He could have had the BAMA job for 4.5, and didn't want it.
3. He could have had the Miami job and didn't want it.
4. He is personally donating $50,000 dollars a year for 5 years to the Carolina Campaign for new athletic center and stadium expansion.
5. SC offered him more money last year, he turned it down and said to give it to the Assistant coaches.
6. Last but not least: He has stated at least 25 times that he has no intention to leave SC. You say that he was "Furious" over telling the recruits they could come and the Admin not letting them in? But this is the same man that is going to say publicly "he is not leaving", "he wants to be the first to win an SEC championship at SC". I am sorry but we are talking about Spurrier here, not Saban, the man has a little ore pride than to just openly lie.
Stouds said:
posted on November 13, 2007 4:56 PM — 68.59.14.16 — link — abuse?
Your exactly right TE, he was furious over what the Admin did, and what happened? The president and anyone else who had a say in it stood down, and gave Spurrier the exact policy change he wanted from them.
Facts:
1. He wants to win somewhere that has not won.
2. He could have had the BAMA job for 4.5, and didn't want it.
3. He could have had the Miami job and didn't want it.
4. He is personally donating $50,000 dollars a year for 5 years to the Carolina Campaign for new athletic center and stadium expansion.
5. SC offered him more money last year, he turned it down and said to give it to the Assistant coaches.
6. Last but not least: He has stated at least 25 times that he has no intention to leave SC. You say that he was "Furious" over telling the recruits they were accepted and having the Admin not let them in? But this is somehow the same man that is going to say publicly "he is not leaving", and "he wants to be the first to win an SEC championship at SC", and then leave to go to LSU the year after they are #1. I am sorry but we are talking about Spurrier here, not Saban, the man has a little more pride than to just openly lie.
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on November 13, 2007 5:13 PM — 143.127.131.4 — link — abuse?
#34 & #36: Stouds,
Your point #4 doesn't really hold much water. Most coaches of major programs make 5 to 6 figure contributions to their own schools. The smart coaches ask for extra money in their contracts to help pay for this expense, which raises their profile with the school's alums. This is especially true when the coach is NOT an alum of the school in question, which is the case with SOS.
The rest of your points are sounds. Personally, I doubt Spurrier would leave Columbia as it's conveniently located near Augusta (National).
TampaGator said:
posted on November 13, 2007 5:58 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Ben Prather/#14:
"...Urban Meyer had an out in his contract at Utah for Michigan..."
Allow me to put that one to rest for you, since it rests on the same flawed logic that Notre Dame employed when they went after him:
...it neglects to consider MRS. MEYER.
MRS. MEYER wants nothing to do with the midwest, and rather likes her current situation in Florida, living down the street from her BFF:
...MRS. DONOVAN.
...and they both appreciate the fact that their similary aged children attend the same school together.
You can throw money at 'em, and talk football tradition at 'em 'til your blue in the face--but ain't nothing like the mileage ya' get from getting the women on board.
Just thought I'd share a page from Jeremy Foley's book of wisdom with y'all.
GO GATORS!!Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on November 13, 2007 6:08 PM — 65.74.223.105 — link — abuse?
#40: Stouds, it would truly be a step down for SOS to move to the ACC at this point. However, it's widely known that he remains fond of the ACC from his previous experience at Duke and as an assistant at GT. I really doubt he's going anywhere - least of all, the ACC - but I can dare to dream!
TampaGator said:
posted on November 13, 2007 6:10 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Re. Spurrier goiong to LSU:
Hadn't heard that one. My money's against it.
While SC is quickly becoming the place where great coaches go to suck, I think the OBC is past bouncing around.
He seems sincerely comitted to making South Carolina work; what's more, you're basically talking about trying to win with Les Miles' recruits rather than his own.
...and what about the lifetime membership at that golf course in Columbia, vs. golfin' in the bayou? (hell, do those cajuns even play golf out there?)
Ain't buying it.
My $.02.
GO GATORS!!
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on November 13, 2007 6:15 PM — 65.74.223.105 — link — abuse?
#41: TampaGator, To further confirm your point...
When Billy Donnovan momentarily accepted the HC position with the Orlando Magic, the plan was for Mrs. Donnavan and kids to remain in Gainesville and Billy would commute to/from Orlando. I doubt the Donnavans and the Meyers are going anywhere any time soon.
posted on November 13, 2007 6:22 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Guys, no more talk about OBC to LSU. The only one who's said it was TE, and the only reason he said it was to get some perverse pleasure at everyone talking about LSU.
In his evil, sociopathic way, he wants to watch us all wither away with the constant denials. It's that simple. Otherwise, he's link us to some of this rumor-mongering...
Buckeye 4 Ever said:
posted on November 14, 2007 11:10 AM — 192.131.99.131 — link — abuse?
Jonesy (#24 & #25),
Wow, what do you really know about college football?
Ron Zook: born in Loudonville, Ohio; played college football at Miami of Ohio; was an assistant coach at Ohio State under John Cooper and served as football coach at Florida for 3 years.
Les Miles: born in Elyria, Ohio; played college football at Michigan under Bo Schembechler; served as an assistant coach at Michigan under Gay Moeller and is in his 3rd year as head football coach at LSU.
Should Lloyd Carr retire, at the end of the 2007 season. More than likely, Les Miles will get his dream job, as head football coach at Michigan.
Once again, an SEC fan who thinks they invented college football.
Bleed Crimson
posted on November 14, 2007 9:49 PM — 130.160.147.104 — link — abuse? said:
I'll go ahead and tell ya right now what is going to happen:
- Michigan will get Les Miles.
- Steve Spurrier WILL NOT leave south carolina. he ain't never been nothin but a winner, and hes out to prove he can even win at South Carolina. and i believe he can.
- I think the Tuberville ordeal depends a lot on this year's iron bowl. as far as the future of alabama and auburn, everything hinges on this season's iron bowl.
- LSU will not be able to find the type of high caliber coach they need, in order to sustain. TE, please, spare me. its just a prediction.Here's the bright side for Alabama:
If both Auburn and LSU lose their head coaches at the end of this season, guess who's gonna control the west for a lonnnggggg time? It's the Saban Era!!!jonsey said:
posted on November 16, 2007 8:37 AM — 167.197.127.130 — link — abuse?
Buckcry 4 ever an ever (#47)
Ron Zook played college football as a defensive back for Miami University, and graduated with a bachelor's degree in 1976. Zook immediately began coaching football, beginning at Orrville High School in Orrville, Ohio in 1976. In 1978, Zook moved to coaching collegiately, beginning at Murray State University. Through the 1980s, Zook held coaching positions at a number of schools, including Cincinnati, Kansas, Tennessee, Virginia Tech, and Ohio State University.
Beginning in 1991, Zook served as defensive coordinator for three seasons at the University of Florida under head coach Steve Spurrier. After the 1993 season, Spurrier reassigned Zook to be the special teams coordinator, a move considered by many to be a demotion. Nonetheless, in 1995, Spurrier added the title of associate head coach to Zook's position.
In 1996, Zook left Florida to coach in the NFL. Zook served three seasons as special teams coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers, and was the defensive backs coach for the Kansas City Chiefs in 1999. In the 2000 and 2001 seasons, Zook was the defensive coordinator for the New Orleans Saints.
Then he was the coach at Florida.
Les Miles (born November 10, 1953 in Elyria, Ohio) is an American college football coach and the current head coach of the LSU Tigers. Prior to holding that position, he was head coach at Oklahoma State. He was formerly an assistant at Oklahoma State University as well as with the University of Michigan, the University of Colorado and the Dallas Cowboys.
Last i looked, Zook was in the SEC coaching for a number of years, not only at FL, but also at TENN. And Les Miles is the current coach at LSU. would that not make him an SEC coach??? WTF is is your point? they are/were both SEC coaches!!!!
Zac said:
posted on November 16, 2007 11:27 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
WarEagle (Post 32), both Slaton & White have one more season of eligibility. Rumor has it that Slaton will take his chances in the draft, and White will stay. Personally, I think Slaton's stock has dropped considerably since last year. Teams have figured out how to defend against him. As a result, WVU is winning other ways, and White is predominantly behind that.
Now, if Slaton goes, he'll probably make a good back or even good backup back for a decent team. He'll get some carries, play a little special teams; he may even do some receiving. But, he'll live and die as a back.
White will eventually be picked up by somebody. Sadly, like FL's Leak, or GA's Schockley, White will go low in the draft, or not be drafted at all, and wind up doing something in the NFL other than playing QB.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on November 17, 2007 1:21 AM — 76.114.231.180 — link — abuse?
Zac,
It's not hard to defend against "any" RB with 8 and 9 in the box.......Slaton may or may not elect for the Draft this year? However, he will not be a #2 RB for long if he is at all when he decides to go..........Also, our )-Line is not even close to as dominate as it was last year. RR has even said "the holes are just not there".
posted on November 17, 2007 11:32 AM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Jonsey: #53 Way to cut and paste directly out of wikipedia. Wiki was founded by an Auburn guy, and if you don't credit them the next time, I'm going to have him cut you off.
SHA: Was that not a Saban team last week? What does 'real' mean?
Zac: I was thinking that they both were juniors, but that one or both may try to make the jump after this season. Were they both starting as freshmen in that Sugar Bowl against Georgia?
Zac said:
posted on November 17, 2007 12:22 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
WarEagle, Slaton was a true frosh; White was a red-shirt. And, as Diggs has pointed out, Slaton's #'s have dropped markedly for 2 primary reasons:
1) The line has 3 new guys; one is the center, who has had more trouble with shot-gun snaps than his predecessor. The blocking isn't all there. After a year under their belt, plus a couple of quality new guys as back-ups, they should be a lot better next season.
2) Opponents putting 7-8 men in the box on defense to slow down the running game. As luck would have it, slowing it down is about all that's been accomplished. With few exceptions this season, it hasn't really worked over-all. Still, because of tighter defenses, I'm surprised there haven't been more quick passes off play-action.
So, getting in a little scouting in for next season? I can't wait, really. The contrasting styles between our 2 teams should make for a most interesting match-up. With luck, they won't just play for 2 seasons.
posted on November 17, 2007 12:36 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Why, yes, Zac, I am getting in a little scouting for next year. It seems that the dynamic duo has been playing together forever. That Sugar Bowl game two years ago was WV's coming back out party to the national scene.
Auburn will return most everyone next year save the QB, and I'm not so sure that's a bad thing. Brandon Cox has struggled badly at times this year, so maybe it'll be good to relinquish the reins for good.
Better watch out for Cincy today--that might be a tough one in this upset-filled season.
posted on November 17, 2007 1:06 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Tomcat: No, wiki is an American thing, although there are many wikis in other languages. The English language version is by far the largest, with over 2 million seperate articles.
Two American guys are credited with co-founding it. Jimmy Wales, the Auburn guy, had the same major as me and graduated the same time, but I don't think I remember him. I didn't know this either until I read it in the alumni magazine this year.
Tomcat said:
posted on November 17, 2007 3:35 PM — 68.93.140.127 — link — abuse?
#61 WArEagATL I really like to use it and although its American, The Main page is really English, you know like colour instead of color etc etc.Its realy helpful and informative, however they have had some incorrect imfo on some pages, because of the authors- Kinda like reading Texas A&M training manuals- I find mistakes and notify the School to make corrections to revised additions. Hate to think that folks are studying false information in preperation for a State Examination.
Hookem-Horns
Go Cyclones
Go Red Raiders beat OUSweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 17, 2007 10:11 PM — 75.120.246.143 — link — abuse?
#57 What real means is that not a single player was recruited by Saban. He only came in Janurary. You people are treating him like he's been at Bama for several years.
Do you consider 1999's Auburn team a true Tuberville team, when he went 5-6 and 2-6 in the conference?
gOSU27 said:
posted on November 18, 2007 3:15 PM — 207.74.25.36 — link — abuse?
ummmm jonsey you have no idea what your talking about
jim tressel has made himself a name at ohio state
lloyd carr made himself a name in the '90s at michigan
if you didnt know who michigans coach was before the season then you are out of it
don't tempt me said:
posted on November 18, 2007 10:07 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
I don't think it's any secret that Miles is most likely gone. The BR rumor mill had him already signed with michigan several months back...most likely true.
and the newest...Terry Saban was in BR this past weekend...now everyone is in huff. Can you guess what they're saying?!jonsey said:
posted on November 19, 2007 8:24 AM — 167.197.127.130 — link — abuse?
jOSU27 (#67)
maybe i over did it with that statement, but my point is, if you surveyed 100 random people on the street, on the west coast to make it fair, I bet most would know Les Miles before they would Carr(Before his retire announcement)
Buckeye 4 Ever said:
posted on November 19, 2007 9:26 AM — 192.131.99.131 — link — abuse?
jonsey (#53),
What’s with the name slandering to gOSU27 and me?
It just shows all of us, what kind of person you really are!
My point being, towards your little remarks (#24 & #25) makes it sound like. Just because they coach a few years in the SEC, they all of a sudden became geniuses. Along with, your SEC holier than thou mentality.
Miles and Zook were both born and raised in the heart of Big Ten country. They played and learned football from the best long before, becoming head coaches in the SEC.
It doesn’t take two SEC football coaches, to bring the Big Ten "into the 21st Century." Remember where both of there roots are from.
If your comment “21st Century”, is referring to the spread offense.
It arrived in the Big Ten, when Joe Tiller, became head football coach at Purdue in 1997.
Ron Zook, by the way is not “trash”!
His only down fall, is he followed a legend in Steve Spurrier at Florida.
Just like Ray Perkins followed Bear Bryant at Alabama and Earle Bruce followed Woody Hayes at Ohio State.
Concerning your comment about, “LSU and the SEC has way more to offer than Michigan and the Big Ten.”
LSU History & Facts:
691 all time wins, with a 638 winning percentage
2 MNC’s (www.cfbdatawarehouse.com)Les Miles’ LSU History & Facts:
2005-07 - Head coach
Michigan History & Facts:
868 all time wins, with a 744 winning percentage
7 MNC’s (www.cfbdatawarehouse.com)Les Miles’ Michigan History & Facts:
1972-75 – Player (OL) under Bo Schembechler
1980-82 – Assistant coach under Bo Schembechler
1987-94 – Assistant coach under Gary MoellerM GO BLUE said:
posted on November 20, 2007 10:55 AM — 216.46.209.85 — link — abuse?
There were some great times for Michigan under the leadership of Carr........and there were also some real bad times.........somthing I will never stop hearing........"Appalachian"........
Carr's best days at Michigan were in his first five season's when he was coaching Brian Griese, Charles Woodson, Tia Streets, Andre Weathers, Tom Brady, Cato June, Hayden Epstein, Julius Curry.........seems like a very long time ago to me.
For Carr, this is a good time to retire.....and a good time for Michigan football........and like i've said before, if football had not changed in the last 20 years Carr would still be a great coach.....but it is evident that his style of football is simply outdated.......and M GO BLUE is ready for some change.
jonsey said:
posted on November 20, 2007 2:41 PM — 167.197.127.130 — link — abuse?
All the years of Zook coaching under Fulmer and SOS, he was coaching the big ten... right. Zook is a former SEC coach, who couldn't compete in the SEC, got replaced, and went to a conference with less talent and easier to win.
Zook is no genius. i never said he was. he was a sucky head coach... in the SEC, but he is a brilliant HC at a sucky Conference...big ten.
i mean, number of players in the NFL that come out of the SEC prolly double that of Big ten. A.K.A BIG TEN CANNOT COMPARE OVERALL TO THE SEC!!!
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War Eagle Atlanta 
said:
posted on November 12, 2007 6:21 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?Who wouldn't want the job? Especially an alumnus. It's Michigan. Virtually any coach not seriously imbedded in a program would take the job if offered.
I've said recently that having an alumnus return home and coach their alma mater for 25 years is a thing of the past in this brave new hired-gun world. Okay, maybe the 25 year thing is gone forever, but the alum part would just be gravy.
Don't you think that this kind of opportunity is the very reason why Miles got into coaching in the first place? I hate it for LSU, but even if they do win a MNC, Miles may become the first coach in perhaps forever to bolt for another school after winning all the marbles.