November 5, 2006
Week 11 Polls
College football polls for games played through November 4, 2006
AP Top 25 Football Poll
1. Ohio State (65)
2. Michigan
3. Louisville
4. Texas
5. Auburn
6. Florida
7. USC
8. California
9. Notre Dame
10. West Virginia
11. Arkansas
12. LSU
13. Tennessee
14. Boise State
15. Rutgers
16. Wisconsin
17. Oklahoma
18. Wake Forest
19. Georgia Tech
20. Virginia Tech
21. Oregon
22. Boston College
23. Maryland
24. Texas A&M
25. Brigham Young
USA Today Coaches Poll
1. Ohio State (63)
2. Michigan
3. Texas
4. Louisville
5. Auburn
6. Florida
7. USC
8. Notre Dame
9. California
10. West Virginia
11. Arkansas
12. LSU
13. Boise State
14. Rutgers
15. Tennessee
16. Wisconsin
16. Oklahoma
18. Georgia Tech
19. Wake Forest
20. Oregon
21. Virginia Tech
22. Boston College
23. Texas A&M
24. Maryland
25. Nebraska
Comments:
Ken W said:
posted on November 5, 2006 5:40 PM — 70.137.185.85 — link — abuse?
Big East Fan,
USC has beaten: Arkansas, Nebraska, Washington, Washington St, & Arizona St.
WVU has beaten Maryland.
Yes, there is a Big East bias, because Big East teams, only play 4 or 5 quality opponents each year. It's much harder to bring your A game week in week out, rather than just every third week, which is what WVU's schedule demands.
Actually, in the case of WVU, I don't think the bias a large enough. I would rank WVU behind: Boise St, Arkansas, 2-loss Oklahoma, 2-loss Tennessee among others.
torgortega said:
posted on November 5, 2006 6:54 PM — 71.82.65.171 — link — abuse?
Anti Big East Bias? Let's see. The computer analysis dropped WVU to #14, but the pollsters kept them at #10. Last week after their loss to Oregon State, USC was ranked #6 by the computers, but dropped to #9 in the human polls. So I'd have to say no. Or at the very least, if there IS a bias against the Big East, WVU appears to be immune to it, and Rutgers (ranked #9 by the computers and #14 by the humans) is on the receiving end. I can't find a one loss team ranked ahead of WVU that doesn't deserve to be there. If anything, Wisconsin whose only loss is to Michigan should also be ahead of WVU.
torgortega said:
posted on November 5, 2006 7:14 PM — 71.82.65.171 — link — abuse?
Anti Big East Bias? Let's see...WVU is dropped to #14 by the computers after losing, but the human polls keep them at #10. Last week after losing, USC was still #6 in the computers, but the human polls dropped them to #9. So I'd have to say NO. Or at the very least, if there is a bias against the Big East, WVU appears to be immune to it and Rutgers (#9 in the computers, #14 in the human polls) appears to be on the receiving end of it. I don't see any one-loss teams ranked ahead of WVU that don't deserve to be there. In fact I would also rank Wisconsin whose only loss was to #2 Michigan ahead of WVU.
Disclaimer: I don't offer the computer polls as an example of "perfect" ranking or even the most accurate, but they are unbiased.
Big East Fan said:
posted on November 5, 2006 8:17 PM — 129.71.136.132 — link — abuse?
Ken W....Arkansas is the only ranked that USC defeated, So what is your point???
What matters is WVU lost to a top 3 team. USC lost to a bottom feeder PAC 10 team.
Call up USC, Pete Carroll and their AD and have them schedule a game in morgantown or anywhere against WVU. They aren't coming, and you know it. So quit bashing our schedule...You, like the media can't find any flaw with our coaches, our heisman trophy candidates, or our facilities so you resort to bashing a schedule determined many years ago.
By seasons end WVU will have played 7 to 8 bowl teams...that right on par with OSU, Michigan, and most of the SEC. so SHUT you cake hole.
USCLink said:
posted on November 5, 2006 10:57 PM — 208.179.110.78 — link — abuse?
Hey Big East Fan.
That Bottom feeder OSU is now 6-3 overall, 4-2 in conference, and likely going to a decent bowl game.
They're not a great team, but USC sure didn't get blown out. Had a down game against a team that's coming on in a hostile environment and dropped it by 2 points. 'SC plays tOSU, Nebraska, Arkansas, and lots of the top quality programs. Don't dis our SOS until you actually look at it.
I have no problem seeing 'SC above WVU.
CAL FAN! said:
posted on November 6, 2006 2:09 AM — 209.240.206.191 — link — abuse?
IT'S THE YEAR OF THE BEAR!!! ALL YOU NON BELIEVERS
WILL SOON FIND OUT! FORGET ABOUT USC..CAL CONTROLS ITS OWN DESTINY AND WINS OUT TO PLAY IN
THE NC GAME AGAINST MICHIGAN. ONE GAME AT A TIME
BABY!!! CAL OWNS THE PAC-10. CAL BEARS YOU ROCK!!!
*GO-CAL!TrojanHorse said:
posted on November 6, 2006 9:13 AM — 12.174.95.128 — link — abuse?
Hey BE fan (post #8), your talking out your backside here when you say SC would never play you. Look at USC's schedule historically, they play the perenial powers each and every year. SC backs down from no one, the only thing SC requires (and then not even 100% of the time, see VT 2004) is a home and home. Would you and your bunch of overated at #10 Couch Burners ever want to do that.. I didn't think so
Play someone besides D1AA schools non con and then come back and talk, till then, you are lucky to be at 10; Its the east coast bias that has you that high
Big East Fan said:
posted on November 6, 2006 10:21 AM — 168.216.24.38 — link — abuse?
First of all...USC should be ranked ahead of WVU, I'm not denying that, I'm just bitter because we fell farther than USC did and we lost to the Number 3 team in the Nation. USC had barely won the 3 games prior to the loss. But at this point I'd still have USC ahead of WVU because they lost before we did.
Rutgers is #12 but still have a chance to prove themselves with games against Louisville and WVU for a chance to put themselves on the map. WVU earned a spot in the Nations elite with a Sugar Bowl win last season (like it or not that is how it works)
WVU was forced to schedule a DI AA school because Auburn bought Buffalo out....We had to find someone for September 9, 2006 game and the game was bought out in March of 2006. Who would you schedule?
It's all about money...although WVU finished with $10,000,000 in the positive this fiscal year, they are normally pinching pennies. WVU has locked in Coach Rod for at least the next 6 seasons and has 1 and 1's with Auburn, Michigan State, Mississippi State, and Florida State over the next few seasons plus emerging Big East teams to play...WVU is in the top 15 team for the forseeable future...so get use to it.
We are all passionate about our teams but why bash a team that you know anything about....do some research and use some facts.
Fact: the Big East is rated at least the 3rd best conference in almost every computer ranking, even ahead of the PAC 10, SEC in some, Big 10 in everyone...so saying that USC plays a tougher schedule because of conference this season is not correct. The Big East does play good football, and has some very good teams.
I hope Louisville dominates the BCS title game.
If Rutgers beats WVU and Louisville...then they should get the right at the National Title. Then you would have yet a 3rd Big East team to hate.
Jim said:
posted on November 6, 2006 10:54 AM — 68.87.100.242 — link — abuse?
TrojanHorse,
There is no way WVU would turn down a 1 for 1 with a program of USC's tradition, why would they. And btw, we don't all burn couches, fans get out of hand in every college town. On coach Rod's radio show last year he was questioned about the OOC schedule and he said they are trying but they have to get 1 for 1 and teams aren't willing to do that.
I think Gator Boys is on to the problem, nobody is scared of WVU and WVU will play anybody 1 for 1, but teams from the SEC and a couple of the other conferences have to watch and not overschedule. When they schedule a Big East team they want UConn or Cincy, but watch that, those teams are coming on. That's why I think the Big East is ok.
Tomcat said:
posted on November 6, 2006 11:26 AM — 70.245.21.0 — link — abuse?
I've never really understood "the polls"
Examples
Tenn beat Cal and Cal is ranked higher?
Ark beat Auburn Auburn is ranked higher ?
Glad to see Wake F in the polls congrats
Congradulations to Miss St. Bulldogs over Alabam
Congrats to Kentuky Wildcats over Ga
Congrats to Fla over Vand
Congrats to Michigan over Ball
Houston over Tulsa
Rice over UTEP
SMU over UAB
Hookem Horns Go Scarlet Knights
RUKiddinMe said:
posted on November 6, 2006 11:43 AM — 24.252.206.222 — link — abuse?
MGOBLUE- I think Ill. showed what a good D can and will continue to do against a Questionable B-10 team. I think and hope Mich. wins their OSU game to cause even more trouble for the BCS. This system needs to be revised, if not changed out completely. The way that teams are picked to be the best at the beginning of the season is questionable. Take for examp. tOSU how did they get up there????? I know for a fact that it couldent be SOS. So what is it? The one reason I was given (by an tOSU fan) was the fact that T. Smith is a returning Senior? Im shure ur gonna spit out stats so allow me to close that window 4 u. Ohio St. Has played 1 "good" team a Very Suspect Texas. (Unless u want to say Neb. and TT are great teams?) So, If your playn 10 Bowling Greens, then your #s should look fantastic even wonderfull, by the way T. Smiths #s should also benifit from those formentioned games right? So I ask this Question again, If the B-East is total garbage then why isnt anyone questioning the Suspect B-10? U all look the same to me! With lots of doubt, SEC Fan!!
Jim said:
posted on November 6, 2006 1:26 PM — 68.87.100.242 — link — abuse?
RUKiddinMe,
I ask this very respectfully, is there any team outside the SEC that can play football?
You complain about WVU's schedule, they will play anybody 1 for 1, not many takers. Do you want WVU to commit suicide and agree to 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 contracts, they can't do that. Auburn has agreed to games in 2008 and 2009 but with WVU's luck Auburn will finish 13th in the SEC those years.
I don't think anybody is scared of WVU but there is a problem. I think the SEC teams in particular are scared of overscheduling and this is a valid concern when you have so many teams with that kind of tradition in the same conference. Florida's OOC schedule took a big hit with FSU being down and we know that isn't going to happen very often. You don't see UF stepping out of the state of FL against a big name OOC school for that reason.
The Big East problems will be fixed in your eyes with time if everything stays together. In my eyes they are already fixed. With the addition of UofL the Big East has a better team this year than any of the ones they lost. Louisville has a few years and a few national titles to go before they can claim Miami's place even though they did stomp them this year, but give Miami props for tradition, Miami was a huge loss for the Big East as was VaTech, BC was always a middle of the pack team and hurt themselves more than they hurt the Big East.
Everyone has a bias but I think you SEC guys take it to the extreme.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on November 6, 2006 1:44 PM — 216.46.210.237 — link — abuse?
RUkiddinMe,the Big Ten has looked weak this year,but every conf. has off years,last year the Big Ten was 2-0 in the BCS and Wisconsin beat a good Auburn team in the Capital one bowl,so while the big ten appears to be horrible this year they have been pretty good in the past,so they get respect,but the big east has not looked real great recently(excluding west virginia)so the big east will have trouble untill they establish themselves as being competative each year.
Just one note,has anyone beat Vanderbilt by as many points as Michigan? The answer is no. they have played 6 SEC games and have not lost by more than 18,but Michigan beat them by 20,florida beat vandy by 6 so should we assume florida is horrible? NO Florida is great this year. And OSU is the only team to beat Texas,so I guess Texas is bad because a Big Ten team beat them. The Big East fans have big stupid mouths,cuz they are the only ones saying the Big Ten and SEC are weak! Thats the DUMBEST thing I have ever heard Big Ten-SEC ROCKS BIG EAST!
And from what I have seen this year,the big east fans have been trying to slam all of the other GREAT football programs to try and make themselves feel great,Louisville fans think they could blowout OSU,Texas,Michigan,USC,Florida,Arkansas,and Auburn WHY??? CUZ THEY WON A GAME !!!!! Louisville would be 3-5 in the SEC maybe.
QUIT SLAMMING GREAT FOOTBALL PROGRAMS THAT HAVE MORE STORIED PROGRAMS THAN ALL THE BIG EAST!
TEXAS,OHIO STATE,MICHIGAN,FLORIDA,ALABAMA,USC,NEBRASKA....OH WHY BOTHER I COULD LIST 30 MORE TEAMS THAT HAVE DONE MORE THAN THE BIG EAST.Jim said:
posted on November 6, 2006 2:13 PM — 68.87.100.242 — link — abuse?
M Go Blue,
Great win over Ball St, good thing Michigan has all that tradition or it would have been ugly.
I need to change my last statement.
Everyone has a bias but I think you SEC guys and M Go Blue take it to the extreme.
Louisville2000 said:
posted on November 6, 2006 2:23 PM — 208.46.53.18 — link — abuse?
Jim and the rest of you,
I do agree that the Big East has changed a lot since the additon of Louisville and the loss of VTech and the U. But you can't base this year's perspectives or really even disuss the past or about Louisville proving themselves with national titles. To me, if in fact the Ville wins out and Ohio State beats Michigan by a lot or a little doesn't matter(they are #1), Cards and Bucks in National Title. If Louisville loses to Rutgers. Florida vs Ohio State/Michigan.
And then there is always the crazy possiblity of course if Louisville wins out, Michigan squeezes by OSU (field goal), and Florida remains a one loss team. You will see a repeat in Michigan/ OSU in the title game and Louisville/ Florida in the next Bowl.
California is going to be a big suprise and has serious bowl contention pending they win out and beat USC convincingly.Small Interjection: Ball State and Illinois are good teams. Michigan and OSU underestimated them.
Side Note: I hate the SEC but I respect their schedules and the overall strength of their conference.
Final Comment:
The Big East has the best record in non-conference games against BCS teams.
Think about it.
HUSKERSBIOTCH said:
posted on November 6, 2006 3:56 PM — 216.139.103.131 — link — abuse?
GO HUSKERS CMON BABY, ANOTHER SEASON OR TWO AND THE CHAMPIONSHIP IS OURS!!!!!!!!!!!
Mooka said:
posted on November 6, 2006 5:57 PM — 138.163.0.38 — link — abuse?
Louisville 2000,
I have no objection to Louisville being in the driver's seat for the NC. Louisville looks better than any other team in the top ten right now. WVU has a hard offense to stop, and most of the time it seems teams have to just out score them, which Louis had no problem doing. On top of that, Louis's D stepped up and caused alot of fumbles to help out the team. It looked like total domination to me from both sides of the ball even though WVU scored 30 something points. However, if FLA dominates in the SEC Championship game and wins out, I think you'd have to admit they would be tough to deny an NC due to their 'quality' win bracket. I'm just sayin, don't be mad if FLA passes Louis up be/c it is a big possibility. Domination is the key for FLA and Louisville for these remaining weeks.
Good luck.RUKiddinMe said:
posted on November 6, 2006 6:06 PM — 24.252.206.222 — link — abuse?
Jim I will respectfully answer your question by saying yes! But, I am not trying to say that the only conf. that can play is the SEC. I was and still am asking why no one is suspect of the B-2! I have already stated that "I hope Loui. wins out and goes to the NC game!" I really think they have a legit shot at tOSU or Mich. BUT so do alot of other teams! The tradition answer simply dosent answer my queston! I personally dont care what you have done in the past. I am only interested in whats going on now! To me, They (BCS) should go ahead and pincel in tOSU and Mich. for a rematch for the NC game! Isimply dont believe either one will lose in a blow out to eachother because they are one in the same! I also want to give a big thank you to MGOBLUE 4 the props on Fla. but they simply arent true. Like I stated before You cannot shoot yourself in the foot over and over and expect to be or beat the best. Our last good show was against LSU but who knows maby theyll snap out of it and show what they are truly capable of. Until then, they are lucky to be so close to the top! Pac-10 is also a pretty strong conf. even though I dont really care for them. Probably because of their past success that kinda makes me a hater but then again I just want what most CF fans want A TRUE CHAMPION! Not one that was handed the trophy and presented to us all as the best but leaving doubts!!!!!!
IrishJT said:
posted on November 6, 2006 7:02 PM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
BigEastFan,
Where were you when Notre Dame dropped to #13 in the polls after loss to now BCS-computer #1 Michigan EIGHT WEEKS AGO and have barely climbed into the top 10 since. I distinctly remember you blogging that ND deserved to be where they are.Now you're crying bias after WVU gets a boot in their ass from perennial powerhouse Louisville. Get real dude.
C-DOGG said:
posted on November 6, 2006 7:27 PM — 76.188.148.131 — link — abuse?
O.K. I'll admit it...The Big East is having a great year (duh). However, I'm still not a believer in the power of that conference until they can get a team (outside of the Miami & V.Tech) to at least play for a National Title 2 or so times in a 5 year span. Here is a trivia question for anyone....can you name the last team to play for the National Title out of the big East besides Miami & V.Tech? If you took more than 10 seconds to think about it, the conference still has some growing to do. By the way...I think the answer is W.Virginia with Major Harris as QB (I didn't research it just to be fair in asking the question).
Tomcat said:
posted on November 6, 2006 8:47 PM — 70.245.21.0 — link — abuse?
Take all #19 RU Kiddin crap and throw it out the window.Sorry folks you can't see the forest for the trees.To say that the Texas Longhorns are a suspect team?Have you seen any games or do you just look at stats and listen to ESPN etc.
The Longhorns can beat anybody right now.Ya I guess we lost two games in three years, not one year three years.We lost against the #1 team early in the season, and two years ago we lost to #2 team. The Horns are 33-2 over the last three years 65-9 over 6 yrs. Hell of a sucessful program
Overated ,I'm of the opinion not, probably the best one loss team right now.
The Horns are ready to play anybody
Hookem-HornsBig East Fan said:
posted on November 6, 2006 9:43 PM — 129.71.136.243 — link — abuse?
WVU ended the regular season 11-0 in 1993 and was #2 in AP and #3 in Coaches poll...if they won their bowl game, they would have been
co-National ChampionsThey were also 11-0 in 1988 and lost to Notre Dame in Champion game, Fiest Bowl.
WVU and Louisville were and still are playing for National Championship this season, and WVU will have 17 returning starters next year including Pat White (RS Junior) and Steve Slaton(True Junior)...plus both the punter and place kicker, I'd say next year is problably WVU's year. This year was a defensive rebuilding year with 4 new starters in the secondary....so you might as well get use to it...The Big East is here to stay. Not to mention Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse, and Louisville will still improve. Without, BC, VT, UM, and Temple the Big East is a much more competitive and solid top to bottom conference. Wish VT and BC stayed though.
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on November 6, 2006 9:47 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, Texas is Over-"Ranked" when you compare their position in the "Polls" compared to their Rating (Consensus). The voters havent acknowleged that the XII is a weaker overall conference that the Big East (SO FAR, THIS YEAR), so they continue to over-value a Big XII team here, and there to the point that it boosts Texas a bit more than it really should (based on Wins and Losses, and Not on how they've "looked")
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on November 6, 2006 9:59 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Michigan beats Ohio St...
... OSU finishes 11-1 (solid SOS, late-season loss)
... Rutgers beats Louie, Ruts finishes 12-0 (Weakest SOS of the bunch)
... USC wins-out, finishes 11-1 (Toughest SOS)
... Arkansas wins the SEC, finished 12-1 (solid SOS, loss was to USC)
... Texas wins the XII, finishes 12-1 (Weak SOS)
1. Who faces Michigan in the Title game?--------------
USC rolls-up Ohio St in the ROSE Bowl... Either Arkansas or Texas just barely edges-out Michigan in the Title game (maybe on a fluke play or something)...
2. Would it be a Split Title?
3. Does Auburn get a say even if they dont even play in their Conference CG?S&K said:
posted on November 6, 2006 10:03 PM — 65.100.198.225 — link — abuse?
The BCS is a joke Louisville and West Virginia should not be in the top 10, they play nobody. Some teams that they play would probley get beat by high school teams. It is all a HUGE JOKE!!
Also there should be a playoff game to make it to the national champion chip game, and also playoff games to all the BCS bowls so everyone knows that those teams should be there. Take the Festia Bowl for example Utah earned to be in that game, but they should have played someone more difficult and not Pitt. that was a joke!
Jarred said:
posted on November 6, 2006 10:04 PM — 12.178.138.65 — link — abuse?
In 1988 WV and Harris lost to ND 34-21 in the last game. In 1993 WV was again undefeated but lost to Florida 41-7 in the last game. Wait a minute, Florida is an SEC school right. OMG a BE school lost to an SEC school, how can that be?!
Jake said:
posted on November 6, 2006 10:09 PM — 68.185.100.17 — link — abuse?
I think Wisconsin, the third place team in the Big Ten would beat anyone in the SEC except maybe Aurburn. Wisconsin is an under-rated one loss team and when you an run the ball like they can, you can stay in any game. This is the worst year for offense in the SEC that I can ever remember.
Jake said:
posted on November 6, 2006 10:26 PM — 68.185.100.17 — link — abuse?
Ohio State and Michigan fans need Louisville to win out to act as a "buffer" between the loser of OSU/Mich and Florida. If both Florida and Louisville win out (esp. if Rutgers somehow beats WVU), then Louisville will stay on top of Florida in the BCS. However, an undefeated Louisville will not be ranked above the loser of OSU / Michigan in the BCS. You will have a rematch for the national title, folks.
The followingcould very well happen and make a rematch the right thing to do:
(1) Rutgers beats Louisville and then Rutgers loses to WVU.
(2) Arkansas wins out and wins SEC Championship or Florida loses to Florida State and then wins SEC championship
(3) Cal beats USC
(4) USC beats Notre Dame
(5) Michigan beats Ohio State
(6) Texas wins out.
(7) Or someone other than Texas wins Big XII Championship gameA one loss Arkansas SEC Champ will not be allowed near the national championship game without tickets. No way.
I think Florida losing to Florida State and then winning the SEC Championship game would be a nightmare for everyone who loves to hype the SEC. The rest of my scenarios above could very well happen, too
Would Texas leap frog an Ohio State team that waxed them and played in a stronger conference than the Big 12? Nope, the loser of Ohio State / Michigan will not drop below third or fourth in the media polls and be at number two in the computers.
It is fun to play "What if" -- in this senario the clear choice would be OSU / Michigan rematch.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 6, 2006 11:13 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
People,
This thing isn't anywhere near over. Louisville gets to play Rutgers and that's about it. Several teams could leapfrog Louisville by the time this deal is over. Of course, if Florida or Auburn win out they could have a shot. The SOS remaining could vault them over Louisville. If California can beat USC - that win would be far superior to a win over Rutgers. Texas has a Big 12 Championship game to attend to. I even hate to say it: but USC stands in the best position to get there. Wins over Oregon, California and Notre Dame would probably get the job done. So in my opinion, because of weak SOS, Louisville hangs by the thinnest of threads. Any of the other top programs, that can wade through other Top Programs, stands a very good chance of ending up #2. And, anybody who gets there is gonna have a good chance of beating Ohio State or Michigan. I really don't think anyone has played as weak a schedule as Ohio State has played this year. I don't know if they'll even be ready to play Michigan - and visa versa. I won't be convinced that either of those teams is #1 until they actually win the BCS Championship game.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 6, 2006 11:24 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Tomcat:
Most people really don't understand what your talking about. They think one good year is the yardstick. They were all just hoping that Texas would go away. I would have liked another shot. Hey, maybe we'll get together in the Rose Bowl again. Texas is gettin' real good at that place. Yep, nobody understands what it takes to only lose twice in the last three years. And, your right, it took a #1 team to do it this year. Colt McCoy is great. You guys are in real good shape. If USC can't get back there - then I'd like to see Texas be able to defend their Championship. It would be the classic rematch after the early season loss. McCoy is definately not the same QB that he was then.
Tommie T
The Mayor said:
posted on November 7, 2006 12:07 AM — 67.174.192.148 — link — abuse?
Tommie,
Hey, I'll make you a wager. If USC wins out, I'll call myself "The Mayor of Planet Moron" until Bowl Season is over. No risk on your part.
"USC stands in the best position to get there. Wins over Oregon, California and Notre Dame would probably get the job done." I agree, but I think it is wishful thinking on your part.
USC is looking to 11/18 and Oregon will sneak one past you this Saturday.
I'll be at The R Bar in San Francisco rather than flying down to LA....so our beer will have to wait another year.
Do you like El Paso in December?
Ken W said:
posted on November 7, 2006 2:16 AM — 70.137.185.85 — link — abuse?
Big East Fan #8,
Your lack reasoning - you're trying to now state that rankings are based on quality of loss before quality of wins. Hey, if the quality of wins between USC & WVU were they same, then yes, I'd be willing to use your logic as the tie-breaker. But in this case, quality of wins is not even close.
Look at the Jeff Sagarin Strength of schedule. USC is around #5, while W. Virginia is in the 40's.
And four of teams that USC beat, Arkansas, Arizona St, Washington St, & Nebraska, were ranked at some point in the season, and a couple, Nebraska and Washington State, would probably be ranked if they had not lost to USC.
I think West Virginia will get more respect from fans in future years, as they have strong OOC schedules. But for this year, W Virginia is not under-ranked, but over-ranked.
Tomcat said:
posted on November 7, 2006 2:22 AM — 66.142.88.191 — link — abuse?
Hey So Cal the Big XII is the weakest conference unless your playing in it.Bowl season always shows the skeptic critics whos who.You check your stats and get back to me about whos weak.
05 bowls XII vs Pac-10 2-0
XII vs big-10 1-0
Please correct me I'm trying from memory
was it XII vs SEC 1-1 ?
Ya I guess when you have 8 outa 12 teams go to bowls against teams from other conferences and most of them win that shows how weak your conference is.
#36 is interesting check this out
USC loses another one and the Big East beats each other up each having one loss each
Ohio State wins out, now who plays who or who cares. Hookem-Horns Go Ducks Go Scarlet KnightsTommie Trojan said:
posted on November 7, 2006 9:14 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Mr. Mayor:
It's not really wishful thinking. It's a practically impossible task. I'm not so much worried about Notre Dame as I am Oregon and California. We'll see what happens this weekend. The only good thing is that all the games are at home. To tell you the truth - I see the Pac "helping" Cal beat USC in the Coliseum. If USC finished 10-2 - they might stand a good shot at picking up an extra BCS game. That would give the Pac-10 two BCS games. I see this scenario possibly happening and I am worried about it. There is big money involved here. Again, the Oregon game is key. A 9-3 Oregon team that does not get beat badly by USC also gets another good bowl game. I think all these games are gonna be close and tough and can go either way. Notre Dame and UCLA are gonna get hammered. They'll let Notre Dame finish up at 10-2 this year. They aren't that good and they'll be overranked no matter what. If they get into a BCS game - they'll get smashed by whoever they play. I currently have Cal ranked #4, USC #5 and Oregon #10. That's a real tough ending to the season.
El Paso is nice. Is that where the Sun Bowl is at? Is that where Oregon is going? I know Hawaii has excepted a bowl in Hawaii already. Is Oregon getting ready to make a deal?Tommie T
IrishJT said:
posted on November 7, 2006 2:47 PM — 65.83.54.4 — link — abuse?
Tommy T,
Once again, you prove that you're an idiot.Notre Dame is the most "UNDER" ranked team in college football. We lost to BCS cpu #1. USC lost to an unranked creampuff that lost by 30 to Boise State...Oregon State. I'd be afraid of all 4 of your last games if I were a Trojan fan. Thank the good Lord I'm not.
"THE" BUCKEYE MARK said:
posted on November 7, 2006 3:01 PM — 70.62.161.114 — link — abuse?
Irish Jt quit whining Notre Dame is not a BCS bowl quality team they will get a BCS bowl because they are Notre Dame and they will lose AGAIN so Pray to Touchdown Jesus to move up in the BCS I'll be eating Cheeseburgers
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 7, 2006 3:41 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
IrishJT:
Check out my post on "BCS Poll 2006 - Week 4" post #58. I have rated every head to head game using a very scientific computer poll. What you are getting is biased and based on what people think. I'm giving you the "actual numbers" of all head-to-head competition based on what Ohio State (the #1 team) would be projected to do against all of the same competition that any team played. Do your homework before you blabber at me. I've done mine.
I say Ohio State is #1. USC is #5 playing an average of -4.59 points worse than OSU each week. I say Michigan is #9 playing -9.79 points worse than OSU each week. And, finally, I say that Notre Dame is #23 playing -15.95 points worse than OSU each week. Check out the ratings - they will surprise you. Michigan is overrated because they hammered an overrated Notre Dame team. They have been living on that game all year long. Ohio State will pound them and so will any Pac-10 representative in the Rose Bowl. And, finally, Notre Dame is going to lose to USC by 15-16 points in the Coliseum. You don't have to get all worked up dude. Your team is going to get a chance to prove us all wrong when they come to Los Angeles. Until that day - just try and relax.
I'll give you this much - I am beginning to lean toward Brady Quinn for the Heisman Trophy. I think that Troy Smith is enjoying a whole lot of hype right now. Notre Dame has been in many tough games and Quinn has been delivering. I'll take Quinn over Smith any day of the week.Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 7, 2006 3:54 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Mayor:
I hear you on the "Planet Moron" thing, but I prefer a much more elegant title, something along the lines of "The Master Chef of Duck Cuisine". I figure if USC runs the table, then obviously, the Trojans will have dined on a healthy meal of Duck Soup and Roasted Duck.
Tommie T
terzo22 said:
posted on November 7, 2006 10:13 PM — 65.80.241.230 — link — abuse?
1.) I hate that people don’t trust there own eyes, but instead insist on referring to computers. Don’t let some computer program influence what your eyes can actually see. A program can only work within the limited parameters in which they operate. Your eyes have no such limitations.2.) SOS is a flawed formula. Its perspective is that LACK of competition equates to strength. (tom t I can go into this further if you insist on referring to So Cal’s tough schedule)
3.) I’m all for being partial to a particular conference and being a vocal fan. But to sit and say my conference is the best or your conference sucks, is wrong. All that is just running off at the mouth based on assumptions, if it didn’t happen on the field it didn’t happen. It might be fun to talk about but you can’t use it in an intelligent argument.
4.) The reason College Ball has these problems is because of the reasons I listed above. You have flawed computers, bias voters, and an influential media deciding the outcome. Funny, I always thought things should be determined on the field. The system now is a crime. It was flawed from its conception, any system that can leave more the one un-beaten team is imperfect by design.
5.) A play-off is the only answer to all the problems. Period. Then we wouldn’t have to say well this team beat that team that LOST to so in so and they BEAT my grandmother’s neighbors dog in a chest game. It’s all a joke. But it‘s a very entertaining joke and I love it. Go bucks.
Tomcat said:
posted on November 7, 2006 10:31 PM — 66.142.88.191 — link — abuse?
Hey JTIrish forget about where your ranked and get ready for Air Force.Air Force will probably win.Then yall can beat USC and whine about your position.I have to admit I saw the ND vs Ga Tech game,looked purty good.
Tommie T does a duck taste like a beaver?
Hookem-HornsBig East Fan said:
posted on November 8, 2006 10:28 AM — 168.216.24.38 — link — abuse?
IrishJT...Notre Dame is right where they should be because they have stuggled against teams like UNC, UCLA, Georgia Tech, Purdue, and Michigan State....I mean Georgia Tech beat Maryland by 4, and WVU beat Maryland in the 1st quarter...leading to a 45-24 win. UCLA has 4 wins and 5 losses. Head to Head, I gurantee WVU would run all over Notre Dame for close to 400 yards. WVU had troulbe with Brohm. Its true. I know your problably in denial but Brian Brohm is a better QB than Brady Quinn, if Brohm played for Notre Dame and was seen on NBC every week he get as much Heisman hype as Quinn. Notre Dame will lose at least 3 games before the year is over and that includes whatever bowl they steal from a better/more deserving team.
OU Fan said:
posted on November 8, 2006 12:54 PM — 155.147.14.9 — link — abuse?
JTIrish, I got to agree with Tomcat. Notre Dame had better quit whining about where they are ranked and had better stay focused in winning the rest of the season. Because of now, Notre Dame's record doesn't mean nada. Go Sooners!
terzo22 said:
posted on November 8, 2006 9:42 PM — 65.80.239.209 — link — abuse?
1.) I hate that people don’t trust there own eyes, but instead insist on referring to computers. Don’t let some computer program influence what your eyes can actually see. A program can only work within the limited parameters in which they operate. Your eyes have no such limitations.2.) SOS is a flawed formula. Its perspective is that LACK of competition equates to strength. (tom t I can go into this further if you insist on referring to So Cal’s tough schedule)
3.) I’m all for being partial to a particular conference and being a vocal fan. But to sit and say my conference is the best or your conference sucks, is wrong. All that is just running off at the mouth based on assumptions, if it didn’t happen on the field it didn’t happen. It might be fun to talk about but you can’t use it in an intelligent argument.
4.) The reason college ball has these problems is because of the reasons I listed above. You have flawed computers, bias voters, and an influential media deciding the outcome. Funny, I always thought things should be determined on the field. The system now is a crime. It was flawed from its conception, any system that can leave more the one un-beaten team is imperfect by design.
5.) A play-off is the only answer to all the problems. Period. Then we wouldn’t have to say well this team beat that team that LOST to so in so and they BEAT my grandmother’s neighbors dog in a chest game. It’s all a joke. But it‘s a very entertaining joke and I love it. Go bucks.
CAL FAN! said:
posted on November 10, 2006 11:48 AM — 209.240.206.211 — link — abuse?
HEY TROJAN HORSE & SO. CAL CLIPPER..START
CALIFORNIA! DREAMIN!! CAUSE ITS THE YEAR OF THE
BEAR BABY!!! CAL WINS OUT AND PLAYS MICHIGAN IN
THE TITLE GAME..ALL YOU NON BELIEVERS TAKE NOTE.
USC WILL BE LUCKY AT BEST TO GO 2-2 OUT OF THE
NEXT FOUR AND MORE SWEET UPSETS BESIDES RUTGERS
COMING SOON..CAL BEARS OWN THE PAC-10 AND LIKE
TOYOTA..MOVING FORWARD>>>>>>>> CAL BEARS YOU ROCK!
*GO-CAL!!Jerry said:
posted on November 12, 2006 11:20 AM — 70.128.20.135 — link — abuse?
PIG, SOOOOOOIEEEEEE!!! FOR NATIONAL CHAMP! Some of you better wake up and smell the coffee. Arkansas is hot and on the move. You can take out Auburn and Florida and put Arkansas in the pic. The only lost was week 1 to USC. Look at the changes since then. Differant QB, McFadden and Jones are kicking butt. Monk is catching just about everything thrown at him. Blew out TN this week with D Mac even playing QB running for a touch down and throwing for another. This guy has it all. D Mac for Hiesman!!!
Babalou said:
posted on November 26, 2006 1:48 AM — 74.244.59.149 — link — abuse?
I'm sure after the WVU loss to S Florida, this blog can finally get back on track and stop talking up the Big East. They have 3 really good teams, but with Rutgers loss to Cin that dream of NC is over. A more important subject is the true bias of the media, and the BCS's atrocious calculations. How in GOD's beautiful green earth does USC get to #2 with a loss to Oregon ST. Who is nowhere in the realm of a top 25 team. Which brings me to my point. I dislike Florida as much as the next Dawg fan, but come on. Florida with one loss to Auburn, with the mind-boggling schedule in which they could come out with only one loss, won't get to the NC over USC. Obviously there is a bias, towards the south. What, afraid some country bumpkins, who can't count are going to woop your precious West Coast, and Mid-West teams. How truly ignorant to speak of bias when THE ONLY analyst to even give Florida the consideration of a NC appearance was Lou Holtz. And even then the other analyst still, with all the numbers laid before them, tossed the notion to the side. OH, and anyone trying to say Oregon state is good, every team who USC won against that Oregon State played, like Wash St and Cal, beat Oregon State, not to mention Boise ST, who plays practically no one of note, and UCLA, who I hope beat the Trojans and expose how over-rated they are. By comparison, to be fair, Florida did beat a team that is also 8-4(Same record as Oregon St) in the SEC, University of Georgia Bulldogs. If Florida beats Arkansas they deserve to go to the NC. You smell that. It's called logic.
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Big East Fan said:
posted on November 5, 2006 5:07 PM — 129.71.136.15 — link — abuse?#3 ranked USC loses to unranked Oregan State and falls to #9 in major polls....WVU loses to a 5th ranked team and WVU falls to #10...Can you say Anti Big East Bias??? Pollsters vote for the jersey or conference not the teams...ridiculus.
Go Louisville....represent the conference make em eat crow.