November 12, 2006
Week 12 Polls
College football polls for games played through November 11, 2006
AP Top 25 Football Poll
1. Ohio State (64)
2. Michigan (1)
3. Florida
4. USC
5. Arkansas
6. Notre Dame
7. Rutgers
8. West Virginia
9. LSU
10. Louisville
11. Texas
12. Wisconsin
13. Boise State
14. Wake Forest
15. Auburn
16. Oklahoma
17. California
18. Georgia Tech
19. Virginia Tech
20. Boston College
21. Maryland
22. Tennessee
23. Brigham Young
24. Nebraska
25. Clemson
USA Today Coaches Poll
1. Ohio State (62)
2. Michigan (1)
3. Florida
4. USC
5. Notre Dame
6. Arkansas
7. West Virginia
8. Rutgers
9. LSU
10. Wisconsin
11. Texas
12. Louisville
13. Boise State
14. Wake Forest
15. Auburn
16. Oklahoma
17. California
18. Georgia Tech
19. Virginia Tech
20. Boston College
21. Maryland
22. Nebraska
23. Tennessee
24. Brigham Young
25. Clemson
Harris Interactive
1. Ohio State (112)
2. Michigan
3. USC
4. Florida
5. Notre Dame
6. Arkansas
7. Rutgers
8. West Virginia
9. LSU
10. Louisville
11. Wisconsin
12. Texas
13. Boise State
14. Wake Forest
15. Auburn
16. Oklahoma
17. California
18. Georgia Tech
19. Virginia Tech
20. Boston College
21. Maryland
22. Tennessee
23. Nebraska
24. Brigham Young
25. Oregon
Master Coaches Poll
1. Ohio State (17)
2. Michigan
3. Southern Cal
4. Florida
5. Arkansas
6. LSU
7. Notre Dame
8. West Virginia
9. Wisconsin
10. Texas
11. Rutgers
12. Louisville
13. Auburn
14. Boise State
15. Wake Forest
16. Oklahoma
17. California
18. Georgia Tech
19. Virginia Tech
20. Nebraska
21. Boston College
22. (tie) Tennessee
22. (tie) Maryland
24. BYU
25. Texas A&M
Bowl Champ. Series
1. Ohio State
2. Michigan
3. USC
4. Florida
5. Notre Dame
6. Rutgers
7. Arkansas
8. West Virginia
9. Wisconsin
10. Louisville
11. LSU
12. Boise State
13. Texas
14. Auburn
15. California
16. Wake Forest
17. Oklahoma
18. Georgia Tech
19. Maryland
20. Boston College
21. Virginia Tech
22. Tennessee
23. Nebraska
24. Oregon
25. Brigham Young
Comments:
posted on November 12, 2006 2:11 PM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue said:
It's absolutely stunning to me that Florida - who struggled to beat South Carolina & fend off Vandy - is ranked ahead of USC. And what's with Arkansas at #5? Is that for real??
Gator said:
posted on November 12, 2006 2:51 PM — 128.227.73.189 — link — abuse?
Florida is ranked third because they play in the toughest conference in college football. In the SEC, close games are common because the rivalries are so strong. Small conferences like the PAC 10 are at a disadvantage because they don't have enough teams to field a championship game. Last week people actually argued Texas deserved the number 3 spot after losing to Ohio State this season and struggling against Nebraska and Texas Tech.
OU Fan said:
posted on November 12, 2006 2:55 PM — 70.250.245.153 — link — abuse?
The Auburn Tigers should DEFINATELY not be ranked ahead of the Oklahoma Sooners. Auburn has been WOOPED twice at home by unranked teams(the Hogs were unranked when they destroyed the Tigers.) The Sooners lost to a then top 10 Texas team in Dallas and lost at Oregon. Auburn should be somewhere between 20-25. Go Sooners!!!
Gator Eric said:
posted on November 12, 2006 2:57 PM — 138.32.80.20 — link — abuse?
Kevin,
why is it absolutely stunning that Florida is ranked above USC. Yes they had trouble with South Carolina & Vandy but USC didnt look too impressive aginst Arizona State or Washington, and they lost to Oregon St. an unranked team. Am I the only one who remembers that?
posted on November 12, 2006 3:21 PM — link — abuse?
@GatorEric - Are you 100% confident that Florida could line up tomorrow and beat Southern Cal? I'm not, so--from my perspective-- they shouldn't be ahead of USC, period.
And I still think Notre Dame is overrated.
Brendan said:
posted on November 12, 2006 3:29 PM — 75.33.69.92 — link — abuse?
Hey everyone, the reason USC is ahead of Notre Dame and Arkansas is that USC plays a much tougher schedule. Also, Arkansas has absolutely no business being ahead of Notre Dame in the BCS - Notre Dame's only loss is to the #1 team in the country (i.e. after next Saturday). Look for a ND v. Michigan rematch in the BCS Championship. Ohio State is overrated!
GatorMatt said:
posted on November 12, 2006 3:37 PM — 65.213.191.153 — link — abuse?
Would Florida beat USC if they played tomorrow? Not sure. Both teams have had embarassing games that resulted in close calls, but Florida's only loss came to an 11th ranked Auburn in Alabama, while USC lost to an unranked team.
RUKiddinMe said:
posted on November 12, 2006 4:32 PM — 24.252.206.222 — link — abuse?
Kevin, I dont think ull have an argument much longer, look for UF and USC both to drop the ball! I am and alwase have been a Uf fan but them Razor Backs looked pretty good last night. I know all about Tenns. defensive probs. and UF is kinda going through the same thing, but Ark. keeps on chuggin. I wont be convenced they are what I think they are untill they can do what they did to Tenn. against LSU. As far as UF struggeling against SC, I do believe everyone else did to, even the mighty Razor Backs. A little help in the 1st Qtr. from the refs. didnt exactly hurt Ark. in their impressive 6 pt. win! The reality of SC is that the only team to really stop them in their tracks was UGA 18-0!!! No one else beat them by more than 7pts., check it out. I can see them in the SEC champ game next year or the following year. BTW why are u so impressed w/ USC but think ND is overrated? I think that ND will change your toon when they play each other. Itll be a good close game, then everyone will say "A Win Is A Win" if and I do mean IF USC can beat ND! But if they dont beat ND I really dont see ND getting their due credit from any of U!?!?!? Anyhow, this thing still aint over and after this weekend, I think we can all agree, anything can happen!!!
ksuwild said:
posted on November 12, 2006 4:43 PM — 170.35.224.64 — link — abuse?
Saturdaze(post 3) Is on point.....the shake up isn't done yet.
With all of the conference championships yet to be played and Ohio St. facing Michigan next week the need for a PLAYOFF has never been greater.
If you don't believe me wait until the BCS standings get released after next Saturday.
Trey said:
posted on November 12, 2006 4:45 PM — 69.29.144.131 — link — abuse?
Of course Arkansas is #5, we beat #2 Auburn, went to South Carolina and won, and man-handled #13 Tennessee, not to mention we're undefeated in the SEC, the toughest conference in America. Plus the Big East and Pac-10 are jokes.
posted on November 12, 2006 4:55 PM — link — abuse?
@jansen - It's not a fair comparison to throw Boise up against some of the BCS heavyweights. I thought Boise fans learned this lesson last year in Athens. Jeez.
Luke said:
posted on November 12, 2006 6:34 PM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?
Maybe with enough cash from Bowl games you guys will be able to get better and play some good teams to prove yourselves.
And the same logic goes to kevin, are you 100% confident that USC would beat Florida if they played tomorrow? I'm not, so USC shouldn't be ranked higher than Florida.
So Cal Tun Tavern said:
posted on November 12, 2006 6:44 PM — 204.62.68.21 — link — abuse?
What a Week in College Football...
They all thought USC was out of it, but then Week 11 happened, aka "Bloody Staturday"... er, "They didnt really want it" week... er, "Shut your mouths" week (Louie, Auburn, Cal Berkeley, Texas... Loser, Loser, Loser, Loser), and now USC is back in control of their own destiny (I hate the cliche`, but it fits in this case, sorta).
Big East Fan said:
posted on November 12, 2006 7:04 PM — 129.71.136.54 — link — abuse?
Rutgers deserves to be in the conversation for the title now. Louisville plays at Kansas State WITHOUT Brian Brohm and defeats them 24-6.
Texas loses at Kansas State 45-42.
I know its just one game, but bashers were saying that Big East teams can't play defense with the big boys....guess once again the Big East has proven those idiots wrong.
Cheers to Big East Fans everywhere...WVU, Louisville and Rutgers should now be in the top 10. Big East is officially BACK.
How does The cardinals fall behind texas??? I'm confused.
Gator Eric said:
posted on November 12, 2006 7:21 PM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?
Kevin,
I dont see why USC should be ranked ahead of Florida, they have done nothing special (yet) to be in front of the Gators. I know that Florida has not done anything very special themselves but there loss came from a ranked Auburn team, and they beat some good teams along the way. I do think that if USC goes undefeated the rest of the season they would deserve the #3 spot.
Am I 100% sure that the Gators could line up and beat USC? Yes, I think Florida or USC could play with any team in college football.
GO GATORS!!!So Cal Tun Tavern said:
posted on November 12, 2006 7:30 PM — 204.62.68.21 — link — abuse?
Luke,
Wins @ Arkansas, vs Oregon, vs Nebraska make up for it... and only two of USC's opponents have losing Records. Look into the entire Strength of Schedule of each team, then you'll have a better understanding.
cardman steve said:
posted on November 12, 2006 8:09 PM — 74.131.208.5 — link — abuse?
come on!the polls suck. louisville beats w.va and rutgers beats the cards,but louisville gets screwed in the polls. w. va should be consider for the bcs title game and so does rutgers. the knights have great d at rutgers to shut my cards down in the 2nd half. go figure! kansas st beats texas and louisville beat kansas st. and rated lower than texas. the polls suck. 3 and fall to 12 and 10. that,s bull crap. w. va was 3 and loss by 10 and didn,t fall that far in the polls. the cards where an off sides away from going to ot at rutgers and loss by 3 points and rutgers got no love for winning as well. those sports pundits on espn and other outlets suck. the sec is over rated. the big 12 is over rated and so is the pac 10 and the big 10 has only 2 solid teams. qhat will the pundits say if arkansas gets beat by lsu and arkansas beats fla in the sec title game? just usc beats the irish and then usc gets bets by cal or ucla? that the winner of the ohio st vs mich game wins in a blowout? just say rutgers vs w va goes 1 way or another and louisville wins out. should a unbeaten rutgers is still left out? perhaps w.va wins,would they get left out? louisville beat w va. come on let me hear some opinions please and some feedback as well.
Big East Fan said:
posted on November 12, 2006 8:19 PM — 129.71.136.48 — link — abuse?
Jarred...I'm not comparing Cantwell vs. Snead. I'm comparing the 45 that Texas gave up to KSU, to the 6 that Louisville gave up to KSU. When U of L beat WVU...everyone was saying that WVU and Louisville couldn't play Defense...just pointing out the fact that they can, against a weak Big 12 offense. Its hard to stop WVU...nobody has, nobody will.
You guys are running out of excuses to bash the Big East. Its kind of funny actually.
Big East Fan said:
posted on November 12, 2006 8:36 PM — 129.71.136.48 — link — abuse?
Cardman Steve...I think that the WVU game was viewed as WVU didn't play their best and gave UL the game. So many voters feel that if it was played again on a neutral site or in Morgantown WVU would win it...plus WVU has a top 20/25 traditoin and a recent BCS bowl win recently. They have earned the benifit of the doubt.
Rutgers manhandled the Cardinals in the 2nd half...took the game from your boys. It seems to me that the media/coaches are waiting to see how they perform on Dec. 2nd in Morgantown vs. the Mountaineers before giving the Rutgers a top 4 spot. I think that the best teams in the Big East Conference are 1. WVU 2. Louisville 3. Rutgers. and the season will end in a 3 way tie for the Big East Title.
I understand your aggrevation with Texas being ranked ahead of the Cards...You beat KSU at their field without Brian Brohm 24-6.
Having said all that...Even though the Big East has 3 teams in the top 10, I believe the conference remains vastly underrated, and some of the other BCS conferences (including the SEC) are vastly overrated.
That is why we continue to be screwed by the pollsters....The computers have us as the 2nd best conference and an undefeated Rutgers as 2nd best team...Think about it.
desperate mwc fan said:
posted on November 12, 2006 9:03 PM — 70.180.128.53 — link — abuse?
First of all, was Auburn really a #2 team. The biggest B.S. about the SEC is that each and every year they start off over-ranked and then when one team wins you get this, see we beat the #2 team and that's why we should be highly ranked. I can't begin to count all the sec teams that when the year started were ranked in the top ten and in the end not even finish in the top 25 through the years and don't give me this we beat up on each other. No team that is ranked #2 should ever get blown out twice at home. Why is it in the rest of the country we have to put up with these phantom rating of sec teams. I'm not a fan of either the sec or pac-10, but it sure seems funny when florida barely beats a lousy so. carolina team it's because of rivilry but when usc plays a team like oregon state it has a different meaning. I see hipocry from fans of both conf's but the decible coming out of the sec fans is pathetic.
Bama Fan said:
posted on November 12, 2006 10:05 PM — 12.37.218.186 — link — abuse?
I'm a Bama fan but I wonder why Arkansas is not ranked right behind Ohio St and Michigan.Their only lose was early to a national contender while trying to feel out a Freshman QB and they have dominated with old fashion smash mouth football since.
Jarred said:
posted on November 12, 2006 10:57 PM — 12.178.138.65 — link — abuse?
Bama Fan, when people look at Arkansas they see 50-14 and base the rest of the season off of that one score, ie Big East fans. They don't know the circumstances of the game. Computers aren't much different. Also our SOS sucks becausr of Utah State, Louis. Monroe, and SEMO.
desperate mwc fan said:
posted on November 12, 2006 11:39 PM — 70.180.128.53 — link — abuse?
Bama fan, by the way " roll tide " as my uncle up in Anniston says when i call him. Look, Arkansas got waxed by USC and was very unimpressive against a terrible Utah St. team. The only smash mouth football Arkansas has played is in the SEC because i didn't see it against USC and Utah St. So what does that say about the SEC. When i see SEC teams out on the road against Quality teams consistantly than i'll make the case all day for them but as long as i see arkansas getting it handed to them by USC and struggle agaist Utah St. it just makes me think that the tough SEC battles aren't as tough as people want us to believe. I think the crowds are tougher in the SEC than many of the games and last time i checked they weren't handing out natl. championships to the crowds. Play smash mouth football against a team like an SC ( they've has two chances )and I"ll be convinced.
"THE" BUCKEYE MARK said:
posted on November 13, 2006 6:35 AM — 70.62.161.114 — link — abuse?
Wisconsin fan Post #31 What about Wisconsin
Big Ten is down this year no SOS
all of our SOS looked better in September !!!!
I love the Big Ten but I expected to see more competition this year Does Wisconsin have a current ranked win?Rutgers and Louisville have better points to argue
I wanna see OSU/Meeshigaan vs Rutgers/Arkansas
not impressed with USC/Florida/NotreDameWisconsin would be nice since OSU didn't play them but they don't have a ranked win
cardman steve said:
posted on November 13, 2006 8:51 AM — 74.140.229.40 — link — abuse?
reguardless,big east fan. the reason you gave about louisville beating w va is the very reason the pundits screw the big east. forget about w va reputation. the fact of the matter is this is 2006 football season. it,s more about who beat who this year than your past history in collage football. if these sports pundits had their way,the big east would not be in the bcs. louisville,w va and rutgers are getting ram from behine. the only thing that matters,is what is going on now and not the past history of various programs. in my opinion,rutgers,w va and louisville are better than the irish,fla,texas steak and the badgers. lsu and arkansas would be great games match up with any of the 3 best big east teams and bosie st as well. they beat beavers that beat usc. the reason arkansas should not be consider for a title shot,that usc manhandle in their house. also,the cards where a penlty from sending that game with rutgers into overtime. that,s sports and to drop to 10 and 12 in the polls is a joke and the same goes to w va for their loss to the ville. face it,the poll guys and sports pundits will not give no love to big east and bosie st. as well.
volstrike3 said:
posted on November 13, 2006 11:53 AM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
We need an 8-10 team playoff. The BCS is interesting but I would rather have the National Title decided on the field than by a computer.
We can all guess who would beat who but there is a lot of parity in college football. When your talking about the top 25 this late in the year, any given saturday they could beat eachother. Let's play the games and see who is for real and who isn't. I know if there was an 8-10 team playoff, the real national title game would look a lot different than the BCS title game.
TheREALUT said:
posted on November 13, 2006 1:14 PM — 141.225.111.248 — link — abuse?
I hate to say it, but I agree with a Gator.
Kevin,
I don't think the test for who should be in 3 spot should be who everyone thinks would win hypothetically between USC/UF head to head. If that was the case, I would definitely take USC. I think they are playing much better football right now. But why should that be the test. There has been plenty of years a 3 or 4 loss team has gotten really hot at the end of the year and could probably beat a 1 or 2 team. The 3 spot should go to who DESERVES it more based on the games they've played this year. The argument that Florida has played close with South Carolina and Vanderbilt is not persuasive, because we all know how USC struggled earlier in the year to beat mediocre teams. Should we punish Florida for struggling more recently. In my opinion, no. The key fact is who these teams lost to. Florida lost to a legit Auburn team on the road, while USC lost to a terrible Oregon State team. Therfore, Florida deserves to be there more.
P.S. Arkansas is for real. I think they will beat Florida and LSU, and might sneak there way into the national title game. But that might just be my bias from the spanking they gave us this weekend.
scott said:
posted on November 13, 2006 7:17 PM — 65.100.36.24 — link — abuse?
It's nice to see all of the highest ranked teams playing each other toward the end of the season....kinda like a playoff isn't it? As for all top 5 teams control their own destiny to the BCS Championship Game very cool. Watch out for the Irish, they've been getting better & better throughout the season.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on November 13, 2006 7:31 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Florida is being "betrayed" by its OOC opponents... what we thought was gonna be the Toughest Schedule in the Country is NOT living up to its billing.
The "juice" that Florida was excpected to get from facing Florid State is GONE... we're talking about a 5-5 Florida State that hasnt even QUALIFIED for a BOWL GAME Yet (they're "hope" to Beat 7-3 Western Michigan)!!! This aint an ACC-contending FSU that we thought Florida would face.
And even on a lesser scale, Southern Miss and Central Florida have NOT proven to be the upper-echelon Mid-Majors that we thought they were gonna be... it weaken's Florida's SOS even more (everything counts when it comes down to such a sliver of difference between teams/rankings).
Florida St is Rated 56th by the Consensus Ratings, SoMiss is 57th -- theyre Ranked BELOW teams like Washington(4-7), Cincinatti (5-5), and Middle Tenn State!USC's Strength of Schedule (OOC), on the other hand...
Nebraska - XII Champs? (XII North rep)
Arkansas - SEC Champs? (one-win away from SEC West rep)
Notre Dame - likely no worse than a Top 10-15 teamAnd in that 12th Game added this season by the NCAA... Florida added West Carolina at home (2-8 in Division 3B), whereas USC added a 9th Conference-Game, @ OREGON ST (being the PAC-team they didnt face last year).
So Cal USMC said:
posted on November 13, 2006 7:47 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
SOS Ratings... USC and Florida
Sagarin: USC 2nd, Florida 14th
Massey: USC 2nd, Florida 11th
Colley: USC 10th, Florida 24th
Anderson & Hester: Florida 11th, USC 15th
Billingsley: Florida 36th, USC 53rd
Wolfe: SOS Ratings, Not ProvidedTommie Trojan said:
posted on November 13, 2006 8:03 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
TheREALUT:
Dude, your logic is totally skewed. Where do you get the idea that South Carolina and Vanderbilt are good teams? I'll tell you what - neither of those two teams are as good as Arizona State or Oregon State or Arizona is for that matter. In fact, if Isaiah Stanback doesn't go down for Washington at the QB position, the the Pac-10 likely has nine of it's ten teams ranked in the Top 40 by the end of the year. Auburn, a good team? Don't make me laugh. And, to top it all off you want to claim that Arkansas gets the nod if they beat Florida. USC hammered Arkansas 50-14 son. How you gonna explain that away? See we've all been hopin' that Arkansas would run the table in the SEC and some of you people would get a clue. You obviously have not understood yet. It wasn't an SEC team that beat USC - it was another Pac-10 team (Oregon State). USC has pounded every SEC opponent they've played lately (Auburn twice and Arkansas twice) with it's last two regular season losses coming in the Pac-10 (Oregon Sate and California). USC has won 55 of the last 60 games. Where do you get off, with your homerism, of thinking that one of your SEC teams (Arkansas lost seven games last year) is up to the task of taking on Ohio State. Get real! Ohio State will blow out any team you send, except for LSU, and they don't get to go. So, give it up. You got lucky when you beat LSU. LSU simply had a real bad game of miscues going on. They handed that game to Florida. Play them again tomorrow and Florida gets demolished. Now, don't get me wrong. Urban Meyer has put together two great recruiting classes and Florida is going to contend for a NC. But, those guys are only frosh and soph's. Florida is not ready yet. Don't understand why you would want to send them out to get pounded. But, if USC loses another game and Arkansas does not, I would send Arkansas. If they beat LSU and Florida - then that team would probably be ready for Ohio State (but only if USC loses again).
Tommie T
RUKiddinMe said:
posted on November 13, 2006 9:07 PM — 24.252.206.222 — link — abuse?
Tommy T- Again with the UCS is better than anyone? Barking at bloggers isnt gonna make it so! U should really take a chill pill, its only FOOTBALL! Why is it that NO team from the SEC could hack it against tOSU? (unless USC loses then Ark. gets the go ahead?) Is it all the top 25 teams that each of u (tOSU & USC) have played? Tell me, slowly now(u know how slow I am), how many top 25 teams did the 2 of u (tOSU&USC) Play exactly? That dosent count because the top 25 are "over rated" right? Come back, you've gone out to far, grab the float, we'll pull u in!!!!!!!
TheREALUT said:
posted on November 13, 2006 10:09 PM — 24.95.122.149 — link — abuse?
Tommie T,
First of all, I never said Arkansas should definitely be in the national title if they win out, I was only implying that it was possible. But you are wrong about them if they keep playing well and Casey Dick continues to improve, they would be able to contend with the might Buckeyes as well as your trojans. They are a legit football team. Your argument that USC thumped them earlier this year definitely carries weight if they end up close to each other in the polls at the end, but you cannot use that to say that USC is far superior as a football team. Maybe you have not been paying attention to the improvement of this team. The team you blewout was the first college game for their offensive coordinator who had only coach high school previously, mediocre Robert Johnson was their qb, and heisman trophy candidate Darren McFadden wasn't even playing. You cannot sit there and tell me the team you played at the begginning of the year even comes close to the current Arkansas team. I guarantee if USC played them in Fayettville again it would be a hell of a game.
Second of all, all I was saying was that both USC and Florida have had slumps in their schedules. USC had there's ealier with close wins to 6-5 WSU, 6-4 ASU, and 4-7 Washington. Florida has had there's more recently with close wins against to 7-4 Georgia, 5-5 South Carolina, and 4-7 Vanderbilt. The only difference is that USC lost to 6-4 OSU, while Florida lost to a respectable 9-2 Auburn team. Now, please don't tell me you actually think that Oregon State is better than Auburn, or is your west coast bias really that bad.
rzrback fan said:
posted on November 14, 2006 2:09 PM — 66.204.14.7 — link — abuse?
and plus all you usc fans, get the f over the fact you beat an arkansas team 50 to 14 when we didnt have a qb or running back, play us now and see what happens. and sec over rated, haha, that makes me laugh seeing how at least 9 of our 12 teams will be going to a bowl. eat it.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on November 15, 2006 5:47 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
RUKid, here's the answer, but did you have a point?
Ohio St has faced:
#13 Texas
#28 *Penn St* (*BCS-format, extended Rankings*)
#45 *Iowa*USC has faced:
#7 Arkansas
#23 Nebraska
#24 Oregon
#29 *Oregon State*
#30 *Washington State*
#32 *Arizona State*(Ohio St has yet to face #2 Michigan, USC has yet to face #5 Notre Dame, #15 Cal, #40 UCLA)
... also, USC has faced only 1 Team thats Rated in the Bottom Half of Div-1A (@ Stanford), Florida & Arkansas have faced 6, between them... USC has faced Nothing but BCS-Conference teams! (btw, has any other team ever done that?)
... USC has faced 5 Road Games and only 4 Home Games, have any SEC "Contenders" faced more than even 3 Road Games this season?!?!...
IrishJT said:
posted on November 15, 2006 8:51 PM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Respective Jackasses,
My point last week about the AP voters continues to fester, especially since none of you had the balls to come back with any facts supporting otherwise. By the way Kevin, the computers would continue to disagree with you...but evidently you and Big Sexy have an equal disliking of the Irish.I've taken the liberty of examining the southern/west coast sportswriters' AP votes this week as well and comparing them to the BCS CPU. You can imagine my surprise at what I found, especially in comparison to last week, that ONLY ONE AP VOTER HAS NOTRE DAME RANKED AHEAD OF THEIR BCS AVERAGE.
Hold on…here we go!
BCS CPU has the following rankings:
1. Michigan
2. Rutgers
3. OSU
4. USC
5. Notre Dame …………….*
6. Florida ………………….*
7. Louisville
8. Wisconsin
9. Arkansas
10. Boise St.
11. WVU
12. Cal
13. LSU
14. Auburn
15. Ga Tech
16. Texas ………….………..*Joe Medley: Anniston Star (Alabama): Has 4 of the 5 SEC teams (3-loss Tenn is #21) in top 15. Florida, who squeaked by Tenn, GA, Vandy and SoCarolina by a combined total of 15 points, is ranked #3 by the Crimson Tide fan. Hmmm. SEC bias?? Noooo!!!
Jon Solomon: Birmingham News (Alabama): Last week, he had Notre Dame at #10, behind 2-loss LSU. This week, only 2 SEC teams are in front of N.D. (#7), but three are in the top 8 (Fla #3, Ark #5, LSU #8) despite the computers ranking BOTH Florida & Arkansas distinctly behind the Irish. Does Medley know Solomon perhaps?
Jeff Metcalfe: Arizona Republic: Has Notre Dame #7, with Florida and Arkansas in front. Cal and USC are in top 11, with USC at #4.
Bob Holt: Arkansas Democrat: The Irish are #6, while Arkansas (#4…that’s right, #4), Florida (#5) and LSU (#8) are all in the top 8. Texas sill gets to hang around at #12.
John Wilner: San Jose Mercury News: Had the Irish at #13 last week, but after the breakdown of the many teams in front of them, Notre Dame is now a whopping #9. Two-loss teams like LSU, Texas and Auburn remain curiously ranked in front of the Irish. All 5 SEC teams, to include Tenn, are in his top 15. Wilner’s wife is the sports editor of his paper. Maybe she makes his picks…quarterback princess style.
Susan Degnan: Miami Herald. SHE has Florida #3 and Arkansas #6. LSU is #11 and Texas remains at #10. Auburn rounds out the top 15 at #15. Notre Dame somehow sneaks in at #5.
David Jones: Florida Today. Notre Dame has jumped, in one week, from #10 to #6. Curiously, Florida has move to #3. Texas is #10, while all 4 SEC teams are in the top 12, excluding only Tennessee. Hmm.
Adam Van Brimmer: Savannah Morning News: Florida is #3 and Auburn, with two losses, is still in it at #11. Arkansas is a mere #6, with Notre Dame at #7 and LSU at #12.
Harold Bechard, Hutchinson Kentucky News: Not sure where this idiot is going. He has Florida #4, ND #6, LSU #7, Texas #8, Auburn #11, Oklahoma #12 and Arkansas #14. He has FOUR teams with two losses in front of Wisconsin and Arkansas. Hmm.
Jim Kleinpeter, NOLA Times- Picayune: Notre Dame has move from #8 to #5. LSU is #7…NUMBER 7…Auburn and Texas are #8 & #9 respectively…all three with 2-losses.
Scott Rabalais, The Baton Rouge Advocate: All five SEC teams were in the Top 15 last week…this week is missing only Tennessee. Notre Dame is #7, having climbed only 2 spots. West Virginia has leap frogged everyone to #4. LSU is #9, while Florida is #6 and Arkansas #5. Auburn holds at #13. By the way, Texas is #10 after getting an ass-whipping by powerhouse Kansas State.
Robbie Neiswanger (Pronounce “Nice Wanger”), Clarion Ledger in Jackson, Miss.: Florida is #3 and LSU is #10. Notre Dame is #4, but this guy is all over the place. All three Big East teams are in the top 9 (7, 8, and 9).
Jason Whitlock, Kansas City Star: Notre Dame is crept into the top 10 and is ranked #9. two-loss LSU, Texas and Oklahoma are all ranked directly in front of one-loss Notre Dame. Auburn, another 2-loss team, is #10…just behind the Irish.
Joey Goodman, Lawton OK Constitution: One-loss Notre Dame move up six spots to #6, while Texas is #9, LSU is #10 and Oklahoma is #11…all with two losses!!!!!!! Florida is ranked #3 too.
John Hoover, Tulsa World: LSU is ranked NUMBER 5. Ahem. Florida, who beat LSU, is #6. Notre Dame is #7. Oklahoma is #8 and Texas #13. I honestly don’t know what to tell you about this guy.
Aaron Fentress, The Oregonian: Florida is #3; Notre Dame #7, LSU #8, Texas #13 and Auburn #15.
Chris Low, The Tennessean: Florida and Arkansas are #3 & #5. The Irish are #6, while 2-loss LSU, Texas and Auburn round out the top 10. Three-loss Tennessee is ranked #21. What a joke this guy is?
Steve Phillips, WBIR-TV, Knoxville, TN: This graduate of the University of Alabama has Florida and Arkansas ranked #3 & #5. The Irish are #6, while 2-loss LSU, Texas and Auburn round out the top 12. Three-loss Tennessee is again ranked #21. Another jokester!!
Kirk Bohls, Austin (Texas) American Statesman: ND is #7, behind #4 Arkansas and #5 Florida, and just in front of #8 2-loss LSU. Texas, after suffering their second loss, is #10. Undefeated Rutgers is #11.
Jimmy Burch, Fort Worth Star: Florida, Arkansas & Notre Dame are 4, 5, and 6. LSU is #10 while Texas stays heavy at #11.
Joseph Duarte, Houston Chronicle: Texas is #10…still. Notre Dame…#6, just in front of 2-loss-just-down-the-road LSU at #7.
Tim Griffin, San Antonio Express: Had ND at #9 two weeks after their only loss to BCS-CPU #1 Michigan. Last week, this genius had the Irish at #13. This week they move to #6, just in front of #7 LSU, #10 Texas and #13 Oklahoma…all with two losses. Home cookin’ horse shit.
Bud Withers, Seattle Times: Had ND ranked #12 last week, but they’ve managed to climb to #7. Cal remains in the hunt at #16 and USC is #4. Florida is #3. Hmm.
Stewart Mandel, SI.com: Has bad-mouthed Brady Quinn and the Irish since last season ended. The Irish were ranked #13 last week behind LSU and Tennessee. Mandel has them ranked #10 now and mentions on his website that USC will beat the Irish by 17 next weekend…big fan of the game!!. He has three SEC teams ranked in the top 10, with Arkansas at #3 and Florida at #4, and Tennessee (with three losses) is at #17. All three Big East Teams are in the top 8. Texas and Oklahoma are #11 and #14. Cal rounds out the top 15 at #15. Can you tell this guy has never played sports? Mandel?? Come on.
Craig James, CBS: Another Notre Dame hater, had the Irish ranked #13 last week behind 2-loss LSU. Now, ND is #8, Texas is #10 and LSU has climbed to #6, just behind Florida and Arkansas. Wow. Notre Dame, with one loss last week, was ranked lower than Texas is ranked this week with their second loss. HMMMM!!!
Brian Curtis, CSTV: An ACC grad, has Texas at #9, LSU at #5 and Notre Dame sandwiched in between at #7. Three SEC teams are in his top 6!! ‘Big Sexy’ is Big Stupid.
STILL THINK THERE IS NO INSTITUTIONAL BIAS AMONG SPORTWRITERS? Remember, there are two-types of media...those that write and those that sell airspace, TV time and ad space. These idiots just write...I think without some thought. How else does an SEC team get to go to the title game without their teams being ranked #3 right ready to slide into #2 after OSU/Michigan? COULD THIS BE A REASON???Jarred said:
posted on November 16, 2006 3:09 PM — 12.178.138.65 — link — abuse?
Irish
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http://www.fanblogs.com/bcs_poll/006756.phprzrback fan 2 said:
posted on November 16, 2006 8:21 PM — 70.178.153.31 — link — abuse?
im with my brother rzrback fan because we have the ole d mac and if anyone or any team wants to play the razorbacks and ole d mac then go ahead and step up if you wanna lose..even you OSU. ohio motha fuckin state.
IrishJT said:
posted on November 17, 2006 11:48 AM — 65.83.54.4 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC,
I do think USC's schedule is impressive. However, they do not play "nothing but teams from BCS conferences." Technical error maybe, because I understood your point, but Notre Dame isn't in a conference. They are, however, an integral part of the BCS formula.Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 17, 2006 7:05 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Everybody ought to read Dan Wetzel's column on Yahoo Sports NCAA FB, Friday 11-17-06, in order to try and gain some perspective. Keep an open mind while trying to understand how your school is giving you the shaft.
Tommie T
volstrike3 said:
posted on November 17, 2006 7:58 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
Tommy T,
That was a good article but not completely accurate. It is difficult to schedule 3-4 years out and know that that your opponent will be good or bad. When this years games were scheduled, Arkansas, Notre Dame and Nebraska were all out of the top 25 and not looking like they were on their way up. Florida did not know that Florida State was going to be a .500 ball club or that Georgia would not be a top 25 team. I am not defending Florida playing 1 AA schools but you can see how a head coach and AD would not want to add another heavyweight considering they were already playing UT, LSU, Auburn, Georgia and Florida State + the SEC championship game. In a normal year they would have a chance to play 3 or more top 10 teams. I do commend USC for playing anyone anywhere and more schools should do that. When they planned this schedule, it probably was not as daunting as it turned out to be. I am not knocking USC, I just don't think Florida deserves to be lumped in with the Big East Schools. When they put together this seasons schedule, they could not have known FSU and Georgia would be down like they are. I am not so sure Georgia is that bad either, I think they will beat Ga Tech and win a bowl game and be ranked at the end of year.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 17, 2006 8:51 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
volstrike3:
I understand all that. But, based on regional recruiting, you can understand that Nebraska and Arkansas are gonna be fairly decent each year, right? They got some big corn-fed farmboyz in those areas still. Their gonna be just fine - always. You can just know that these teams are gonna, at least, be average.
I can't say much about Tennessee. The Vol's seem to always schedule at least one real tough OOC game. It's was UCLA getting pounded for years, Notre Dame, and this year Cal. Your schedule wouldn't be so weak this year had not Air Force, Marshall and Memphis completely tanked. Any of those teams could have been decent normally.
Florida takes on Florida State and there isn't a problem there or with Southern Mississippi. They can field decent teams sometimes. They are not terrible this year. But Central Florida and Western Carolina? Okay, maybe they lost a game and had to put Western Carolina in. But, it's only hurting them. Ya know, the problem in my mind, is I can't understand where you stack up if you won't play anybody from another BCS conference. I doubt if the computers can figure it out either. Maybe they can. But, come on, give us a clue. You can't just play SEC teams and claim to be the best. Playing the weakest teams from other conferences doesn't prove much either.
I am very confident that California is going down tomorrow. Know why? LSU 45 Arizona 3, USC 20 Arizona 3, Tennessee 35 California 18, LSU 28 Tennessee 24 and Arizona 24 California 20. Because when I analyze these numbers they mean that USC has a +21 edge over Cal in those games. The SEC, most notably using LSU, has a +28 over Cal. USC is about +1 point better than LSU right now. Average it all together, and USC may beat these guys by +25, because they don't show up for big games. Last year we beat them 35-10 in their house. This was very rudimentary analysis and the computers can do a lot better job than my small brain. The point is: it's very tough to get a handle on any team that will not step out and play other BCS shools. Florida is by no means the greatest culprit either. There are many. The article is commending USC for obviously going to great pains to make sure that they play as many good teams as possible. You know we lost out on a chance at the 2003 BCS Title game because the SOS was considered too low by the computers. I think Pete Carroll is working toward not letting that happen again. Teams like Florida, West Virginia and Louisville need to understand that they may not get that shot because of this reason.
BTW, I think Georgia will be just fine and bounce back next year in great shape. They need to just let Stafford play it out. The guy will be great. He'll have some edge on Tebow if they let him get as many reps now as possible.Tommie T
volstrike3 said:
posted on November 17, 2006 9:37 PM — 75.20.190.14 — link — abuse?
Tommy T,
My point was that Florida State was a big game against a OOC BCS team when this schedule was made up. Just like you can assume Ark and Nebraska would be ok, you used to be able to assume Florida State would be very good. I agree that Florida needs to drop the 1 AA schools and at least schedule USF or UCF. Miami would be even better.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 17, 2006 10:26 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Bob:
Not good either. I got them in my Top 40 though - after 30 somewhere. Ball has the lowest completion percentage of any QB in the country - doesn't he? Calvin Johnson is okay. I watched the "beatdown" that Clemson administered. It was really sad. CJ Spiller would just run around your defense like he was Reggie Bush or something. It was amazing. Hope you guys don't get unfortunate enough to draw West Virginia in a Bowl Game. That would be the game that both Slaton and White run for over 300 yards.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 17, 2006 11:07 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
So, where have all them War Dayum Eagle and Tide fans been? Thsi was the week that I loved the most. There was nothin' better than reading all the trash that went back and forth on those blogs. Haven't heard a peep all week. Absolutely amazing! Come on! Get back in the game. The ol' "Iron Bowl" is at stake. Auburn aint dead yet. They could finish up at 11-2. Nothin' wrong with that at all. Alabama played Arkansas real tough and handed Hawaii a resounding defeat. Both are decent teams. Where is "all the hate" that usually spews forth here. This is weird. I hope all you fans haven't gone in the tank. FIGHT ON!
Tommie T
Luke said:
posted on November 12, 2006 2:09 PM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?Why is USC the only team in the top 10 that lost to an unranked team and they are still rank 4