November 19, 2006
Week 13 Polls
College football polls for games played through November 18, 2006
AP Top 25 Football Poll
1. Ohio State (65)
2. Michigan
3. USC
4. Florida
5. Arkansas
6. Notre Dame
7. West Virginia
8. Louisville
9. LSU
10. Wisconsin
11. Texas
12. Boise State
13. Oklahoma
14. Auburn
15. Rutgers
16. Georgia Tech
17. Virginia Tech
18. Boston College
19. Tennessee
20. Wake Forest
21. Brigham Young
22. California
23. Nebraska
24. Clemson
25. Hawaii
USA Today Coaches Poll
1. Ohio State (63)
2. USC
3. Michigan
4. Florida
5. Arkansas
6. Notre Dame
7. West Virginia
8. LSU
9. Wisconsin
10. Texas
11. Louisville
12. Boise State
13. Auburn
14. Oklahoma
15. Georgia Tech
16. Rutgers
17. Virginia Tech
18. Boston College
19. Nebraska
20. Wake Forest
21. Tennessee
22. California
23. Brigham Young
24. Clemson
25. Hawaii
Harris Interactive
1. Ohio State (114)
2. USC
3. Michigan
4. Florida
5. Notre Dame
6. Arkansas
7. West Virginia
8. LSU
9. Wisconsin
10. Louisville
11. Texas
12. Boise State
13. Auburn
14. Oklahoma
15. Rutgers
16. Georgia Tech
17. Virginia Tech
18. Boston College
19. Tennessee
20. Wake Forest
21. Brigham Young
22. Nebraska
23. California
24. Clemson
25. Hawaii
Bowl Champ. Series
1. Ohio State
2. Michigan
3. USC
4. Florida
5. Notre Dame
6. Arkansas
7. West Virginia
8. Wisconsin
9. Louisville
10. LSU
11. Boise State
12. Auburn
13. Texas
14. Rutgers
15. Oklahoma
16. Georgia Tech
17. Virginia Tech
18. Boston College
19. California
20. Tennessee
21. Wake Forest
22. Nebraska
23. Brigham Young
24. Clemson
25. Penn State
Master Coaches Poll
1. Ohio State (16)
2. Southern Cal
3. Michigan
4. Florida
5. Arkansas
6. Notre Dame
7. West Virginia
8. LSU
9. Wisconsin
10. Texas
11. Louisville
12. Auburn
13. Boise State
14. Oklahoma
15. Georgia Tech
16. Virginia Tech
17. Rutgers
18. Boston College
19. Tennessee
20. Nebraska
21. California
22. BYU
23. Wake Forest
24. Texas A&M
25. Clemson
Comments:
SATURDAZE said:
posted on November 19, 2006 2:58 PM — 71.3.183.193 — link — abuse?
OK- its now time for a playoff. Michigan loses and goes nowhere. 1993 FSU?? The AP picks who they want to see. If your not a fan of OSU and UM, do you really want to see this game again? Say what you want, it will be the one BCS game I don't watch.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on November 19, 2006 3:18 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
I got a feeling the AP is gonna be "looking" to vote for Michigan the Champs if they win the Rose Bowl, and Ohio State somehow loses the National Title Game...
... and dont give the AP voters credit for trying to screw-up the BCS system, the Polls alone (the old way) aint any better.Luke said:
posted on November 19, 2006 4:05 PM — 24.250.217.142 — link — abuse?
I do't think michigan deserves to be in the championship vs OSU. They have lost their last 3 games vs OSU and if they really wanted to be in the championship they should have stepped up on defense and stopped OSU's huge plays. I think if Arkansas or Florida win out and make it through their schedule with only 1 loss they deserve the big game
cardman steve said:
posted on November 19, 2006 4:43 PM — 74.140.238.200 — link — abuse?
the polls suck like sitting in a pile of bm. come on,rutgers gets blasted by cincy and remain at 6. we beat w va. texas lost to a team we beat. my cards get no love and respect at all. texas was idle. any feedback.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on November 19, 2006 5:17 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
BCS Consensus Ratings (4 of 6):
1. Ohio St
2. Michigan
3. USC
4. Florida
5. ND
6. Louie
7. Arkansas
8. Wiscy
9. West VU
10. Rutgers11. LSU
12. Boise St
13. Auburn
14. Cal Berkeley
15. Texas
16. GTech
17. VTech
18. Tennessee
19. Boston C
20. Oklahoma21. Penn St
22. Nebraska
23. Clemson
24. Wake/Maryland/Oregon/Oregon State?
25. Wake/Maryland/Oregon/Oregon State?So Cal USMC said:
posted on November 19, 2006 5:28 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Mike, you are whats wrong with College Football fans (fans in general). Take a DEEPER LOOK at what youre talking about! Wisconsin has had a relatively weak Schedule. Shouldnt you be aware that they didnt faced OHIO STATE from their own conference?! From out-of-conf they faced Bowling Green, SD State, Buffalo, and some non-D1A team! Wisconsin faces a grand total of 5, bowl-eligible, opponents this season. Do some comparison shopping and you'll realize just how mediocre/weak Wisconsin's Schedule real is.
BuckiNut said:
posted on November 19, 2006 6:20 PM — 65.189.178.33 — link — abuse?
Hopefully Florida or USC will win out so we dont have to see a rematch. Would rather see both OSU & UM play another great game against other conferences. Im not in favor of a playoff because we would have never seen that great Buckeye-Wolverine game. If an 8 team playoff was coming up they would have been resting their starters for the upcoming playoff. A playoff would only diminish the regular season. We are now in a playoff, if you lose you you go to a lesser bowl. If you win you go to Glendale to play the Buckeyes. We will see another Ohio State v's Michigan soon enough.
volstrike3 said:
posted on November 19, 2006 6:49 PM — 75.20.190.14 — link — abuse?
buckinut,
You really think teams would rest their starters for every big game against a tough team. How many times could they do that before they were no longer in the playoff. In most conferences, you need to bring it every week.
Eduardo said:
posted on November 19, 2006 6:56 PM — 68.204.250.185 — link — abuse?
Come on, you all saw this coming, when Michigan almost lost to Ball State they actually said on TV that "Ball State is a really good team". When Indiannapolis lost to Pitt last year did Indi play in the superbowl no because they had their chance and blew it.
Eduardo said:
posted on November 19, 2006 7:17 PM — 68.204.250.185 — link — abuse?
It was a great game, but then again Mich-Ohio is always a good game even when one of the teams suck. Yes USC lost to an unranked team but then again, at the end USC has played 5 ranked teams Mich only 2. Don't be a sore loser Mich you lost let someone else play, Ohio state is going to beat them again and all you are going to rememever about this season is that the great Ohio team beat two ranked teams one with a freshman QB and twice Mich
IrishJT said:
posted on November 19, 2006 8:14 PM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
If Notre Dame beat USC by 2 touchdowns, would someone at least admit that this is a better ND team than 8 weeks ago? Sure, they played horribly against Michigan and lost by 26. Down by 19, and driving on UofM's 30 yd line, Quinn fumbles in what can only be described as a "Charlie Brown-Lucy moment" and it goes the other way for 7. If Notre Dame scores on that drive, then loses, they lose by 12...TWELVE!!! The game was never in question, but it was closer than 26. MOST MICHIGAN FANS will admit that they no longer believe, nor did they ever, that Michigan could again beat Notre Dame by such a margin.
So again, I ask, if some miracle happens (you like that, SoCal USMC?) and the Irish put a beatin' on the Trojans...why not give them a shot??? Especially if LSU beats Ark and Ark beats Fla in the SEC title game.
Diggs the Mounty...please don't post anything. The Big East had to go undefeated to play in Glendale. In my opinion, no BE team should go to a BCS game because you're all ridiculously weak. By the way, Notre Dame has 4 opponents in the top 25 (Mich, USC, GaTech & PennState). West Virginia has 2 (Rutgers & Louisville)...Maryland is GONE!!!!!!!!!!
Michigan is the only other team with 4 regular season opponents in the top 25. Florida has 4 if you count the SEC title game.
C-DOGG said:
posted on November 19, 2006 10:41 PM — 76.188.148.131 — link — abuse?
IrishJT,(post#23)
Let it go man. The Irish got pasted by Michigan....AT NOTRE DAME! If you want to convince people that Notre Dame is a different team that 8 weeks ago, well that would mean that Arkansas is also. (USC embarassed them) With that said, Arkansas should stay ahead of you guys. I felt so patriotic watching you guys beat up on powerhouse service teams such as ARMY, NAVY & AIR FORCE. How did that help your SOS? I'm sure if the Marines had team, you would be scheduling them also. Give me a break. On a neutral field, I can name at least 8 teams that would beat Notre Dame (including Louisville & W.Virginia). For the record, I do want you guys to beat USC so that I can see the OSU/Michigan rematch. Go look with that lofty task. Rub a few more cloverleafs this week.
IrishJT said:
posted on November 20, 2006 9:14 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
C-Dogg,
The Marines do have a team...it's Navy. Notre Dame doesn't schedule the service academies because they are cupcakes, they schedule them because of what the defense dept did for the University of Notre Dame in the 30's when ND was going broke because the depression hit the catholic church hard. The Army and Navy used the campus as a training facility, which garnered enough funds for ND to keep their doors open until after WWII. Notre Dame has an open contract with all of the service academies. If they want to play us, we'll play them. The game normally brings in enough money for that academy to pay for their entire football season. So it's OUT OF RESPECT that Notre Dame let's its SOS diminish a bit. Some things are more important. We aren't Florida, playing Western Carolina, Southern Miss or Central Florida. Those aren't real teams. We play real teams every week...for real reasons.GATORGreg said:
posted on November 20, 2006 9:15 AM — 70.152.53.129 — link — abuse?
USc will beat ND and USC will drop the ball to UCLA. The Gators will who knows because I can't ever get a grip on how they will play. Im going to say they will beat the crap out of Arkansas after watching Ark. performance this past weekend but then again, Im sitting on a biased opinion
IrishJT said:
posted on November 20, 2006 9:18 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
VolStrike,
I appreciate the love. I agree...ND in the Weis era needs to beat a team when the game counts the most. Sure, we beat Michigan last year, but it turned out that the Wolverines were a year away from a significant run. We lost to USC last year on what can only be referred to as "green jersey bad luck." We lost to UofM this year...not really knowing of that game's significance towards the NT.We beat USC at USC, then I think everyone will have to say that Notre Dame is LEGIT. I don't know that ND can beat OSU...honestly, I don't think Mich can beat OSU (plus I have proof)...but I think the Irish deserve a shot to play better than they did in last year's Fiesta Bowl. They deserve it more than Arkansas. They deserve it more than Florida.
GATORGreg said:
posted on November 20, 2006 10:20 AM — 70.152.53.129 — link — abuse?
Another scenerio to consider that nobody has mentioned yet is. What if ND takes down USC, what becomes of the winner of the SEC champ. You have to recognize that the SEC championship will be as big if not bigger than the USC/ND game.
ND doesnt "deserve" anything JT. You have done nothing to "prove" to anyone that your not over-ranked. As stated 100's of time the Irish are the Chicago Cubbies of NCAA football. 1 BCS ranked win doesnt constitute deservation or entitlement. All ND fans cry football racisim every year but dont bring any validation to their portrayed talent. When they can prove that they can compete(prob join a freaking conference too) then you can justify a run for a NC game. Im going to tell you though that even with a USC defeat I dont think they will be Arizona bound.I too dont think Florida will be Arizona bound with an SEC championship win
M GO BLUE said:
posted on November 20, 2006 10:34 AM — 216.46.213.97 — link — abuse?
Irish JT,I hope the Irish waste USC so we can stop hearing how bad the Irish are,and when you beat USC,I think you should get a shot to beat OSU,really I want to see Michigan waste USC at their home in the rosebowl,and why are trojan fan's suddenlly thinking they can waste OSU and Michigan? YOU LOST TO OREGON STATE! aaahahahahaha pleeaase!
Yes Michigan gave up 42 points,but how many did OSU give up? ....39 WoW still the OSU D is better than ND's sooo I am really looking forward to watching USC get more than they can handle from the Fighting Irish!
GO IRISH
GO BLUE
GO OSU
GO WISCONSINTommie Trojan said:
posted on November 20, 2006 10:44 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Gettin' real tired of all Hog fans using the excuse that D-MAC would have made a difference in the USC game and that Arkansas has gotten better now.
Here is the "Big News": Every single team has gotten better since the beginning of the year. Every single team has had injuries. Do you understand?
USC has lost NT Sedrick Ellis (3 games), RB C.Washington (2 games), WR's S.Smith (2 games) and D.Jarrett (3 games). Gone for the year: FB Brandon Hancock, FB Ryan Powdrell, FB Stanley Havili, FS Josh Pinkard, RB Herschel Dennis.
Our projected starter RB Herschel Dennis was knocked out for the year (in practice) just prior to the Arkansas game. Our projected 2nd RB Chauncey Washington was also banged up still in the Arkansas game.
Stats for the game: D.McFadden 9-42, F.Jones 7-51, M.Smith 3-24, P.Hillis 3-16. Experienced RB for Arkansas got the ball 16 of the 22 carries or 73% of the time. Arkansas ran the ball 22-133 or a 6.0 per carry with these four backs. This was not the problem. USC: C.Washington 8-57, E.Moody 7-57, CJ Gable 12-51, A.Bradford 5-12. Moody, Gable and Bradford were all true freshmen. They carried the ball 24 of the 32 carries for the RB's or 75% of the time as Washington was limited by injury. USC still managed 32-177 with freshmen doing the bulk of the work as Dennis was already gone for the season and Washington was banged-up similar to what McFadden was. Arkansas threw three picks and lost two fumbles in this game while USC gave up nothing. That is why Arkansas lost the game. Turnovers! Turnovers!
CJ Gable had to come in against Cal, and carry the load, as both Moody (out for the season) and Washington (recurring knee injury - limited) could not go. We would not have made any excuses. You have to have depth. Cal turned it over and USC did not. Therefore, USC wins the game. Cal didn't have any excuses either - and they are also a better team than the one that met Tennessee early. So, Arkansas people: SHUT UP! Your excuses don't make any sense and are a flat out lie - if not to the rest of us, at least, to yourselves. If you play USC again, and turn it over five times, you will get destroyed again. That is a fact. If you don't - you might win. But, you did not lose because McFadden was banged-up.Tommie T
Luke said:
posted on November 20, 2006 10:51 AM — 209.251.132.34 — link — abuse?
Why exactly does ND deserve it more than Arkansas or Florida? First of all you don't deserve anything yet until your team proves itself against USC. Arkansas, Florida, and USC have all already proved themselves against good teams. ND has not proved itself against anyone that the country agrees is pretty good. I know you argue about how ND has played some ranked teams, but just because they are ranked doesn't mean they are that good JT. USC, Arkansas, and USC would all beat the teams ND has beat so far.
Also, don't get blown out in your home field if you want to play in the championship. No team that gets blown out at home in the regular season deserves to make it to the NC. That's why arkansas probably won't make it either.
U of M in KS said:
posted on November 20, 2006 11:28 AM — 66.49.50.202 — link — abuse?
Eduardo, you need to get your facts straight if you are going to talk smack.
"Yes USC lost to an unranked team but then again, at the end USC has played 5 ranked teams Mich only 2"
Look at the current BCS standings. Michigan has played 3 teams in the top 8 of the BCS, USC only 1! In the top 25 of the BCS standings, Michigan has played 4 teams and USC only 3 up to this point.
If USC loses to the Domers, Michigan should get a rematch. I was not in favor of a rematch before this weekend, but watching those teams play...there isn't a team in the SEC that could hang with them. The only other team would be USC.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 20, 2006 11:30 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
M GO BLUE:
Do you really need me to pull out the stats on how many times, undefeated Michigan teams, come in to the Rose Bowl and get beat. Do you really need for me to produce that for you? Michigan's record against Pac-10 teams in the Rose Bowl is pathetic. And, this is by no means your best Michigan team. But, this may very well be a USC team that is part of one of the great dynasties in college football history. It most certainly is the 1st team in Pac-10 history to take five straight Pac-10 titles. Does that mean anything to you? You lost five games last year. Your program didn't become all that overnight. Your overhyped and overrated just like your counterparts at Ohio State are. You'll find that all out in the end.
Tommie T
IrishJT said:
posted on November 20, 2006 11:45 AM — 65.83.54.4 — link — abuse?
Tommy T,
We'll let the boys do the talking Saturday night. IF NOTRE DAME BEATS USC, THEY WILL HAVE PROVED ALL THEY NEED TO PROVE TO THE BCS. I'm not sure why USC fans are so cocky. Cal looked liked a decent high school team Saturday night, sputtering for 4 quarters. USC didn't get in the endzone until the second half. USC doesn't have Reggie, Lendale and Leinart to "push" them this year. The Irish have been averaging over 30+ a game. I love that you don't respect the Irish, but you will come Sunday morning...just like USC did last year (believe, they were happy to get out of South Bend!).When ND wins Saturday, Gator, Hog and especially SC fans are gonna have to vote the Irish into the NC game. You can't give it to the SEC champ, not this year. Florida has played a weak schedule, had too many close games and won't be favored against Arkansas. Arkansas has two very difficult games ahead of it and better play better than it did against Miss St. My guess is that both Ark and Fla will have 2 losses by season's end. But even if they don't, Florida beat LSU this year...that's it. Fla should have lost South Carolina AND Vandy. Ark should have lost to Alabama about three times. And I don't want to hear a word about blowouts...42 points to USC at home. If ND beats USC, then between common opponents, ND trumps. And since ND didn't play any SEC teams this year, nor did they play any D-IAA teams, it would have been impossible for ND to play a common opponent with Florida.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 20, 2006 12:03 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
IrishJT:
"I'm not sure why USC fans are so cocky. Cal looked liked a decent high school team Saturday night, sputtering for 4 quarters. USC didn't get in the endzone until the second half."
This statement is exactly what puts you on the top of the list as the "stupidest person on FanBlogs.com". This is why you are the runaway winner. Everybody else will understand why those lines qualify you - you will not get it.
That said: certainly I don't expect for Brady Quinn to fall apart like Nate Longshore did. I have Brady Quinn for Heisman. I believe that he is the best player in college football. I don't expect that Notre Dame will run the ball. You have lost your great TE Carlson. It's gonna be tougher than you think - but I know that Quinn will not quit. I commend Notre Dame for winning all of their games after the loss to Michigan. Notre Dame has won two games in impressive fashion against two pretty decent teams (Penn State and Navy) and come back under pressure against UCLA. I know that Notre Dame has improved since early on. You won't hear me say that "Quinn will do nothing". On the contrary, Quinn is the scariest player to USC. We'll see what happens on Saturday night - although USC will be favored. Also, if Notre Dame beats USC in impressive fashion, and Arkansas goes on to win the SEC, then Notre Dame would have a greater case than Arkansas would (no matter how many excuses that they can come up with). The loss to Michigan is a definate detrimate to Notre Dame's case - although a win over USC would cement a legit BCS Bowl game bid. Even a real tough loss to USC would probably get that done. We'll see what happens.
Tommie T
GatorMatt said:
posted on November 20, 2006 12:14 PM — 130.218.254.81 — link — abuse?
Irish JT,
I generally somewhat agree with what you say, but not this time. Florida has beaten 3 ranked teams (at the time they played), and at the end of the season will have played FIVE. How many has Notre Dame beaten, let alone played?
B ryan said:
posted on November 20, 2006 12:22 PM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?
ok for all you Michigan doubters out there who believe that they shouldn't be in the National Championship Game are kidding yourselves. The only teams that are in the talk for being in the championship game are Michigan, USC, Florida, Notre Dame, and maybe even Arkansas. None of these teams should even come close to being in the National Championship game instead of the Maize and Blue. I dont care if USC wins the rest of there games they have 1 loss and its Oregon State. For Florida they loss to Auburn which got drilled by Georgia. And Notre Dame hahahaa, if they get in ahead of Michigan that wud jus be a joke since Michigan went to there house and beat them by 4 touchdowns!!! And finally Arkansas who got killed by USC. All of these teams are at best 1 loss teams and there 1 loss is much worse than Michigans 3 point loss to the best team in the country, Ohio State, in there stadium with 104,000 fans screaming. Who can say that any of those teams is more deserving to go to the National Championship game against Ohio State??
gatorhippy said:
posted on November 20, 2006 12:30 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
IrishJT (# 36):
"Fla should have lost South Carolina AND Vandy. Ark should have lost to Alabama about three times."
Right, but they didn't...
And if that's true then this is also true...
ND should have lost to Ga. Tech and Mich St.
USC should have lost to ASU and did lose to OSU.
So using your logic none of the above listed teams deserve a shot...
volstrike3 said:
posted on November 20, 2006 12:49 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
IrishJT,
I already said if you beat USC decisively then you should be in the NC game. That being said, I doubt it will happen. I won't knock your schedule becauseI respect what ND does for the service academies and who knew Penn State would be so average.
I do not see how you can say Florida has not played anybody. They have played and beaten more currently (I don't care about preseason) ranked teams than ND has. Sure they played some cream puffs but they also beat UT, LSU and GA. Lost a close and controversial game on the road to a highly ranked team, big deal. Before you bash Georgia, think about it because they will probably knock GA Tech out of the polls this week. Making your only decent win in the past two seasons seem pretty weak.
If Florida and USC are the one loss teams in the running, Florida deserves to go because their 1 loss was vs. Auburn on the road and USC lost to an unranked and not very good Oregon State Team. If USC and Ark are the one loss teams, USC should get the nod due to the head to head beating.
C-DOGG said:
posted on November 20, 2006 3:28 PM — 76.188.148.131 — link — abuse?
IrishJT,
Re: post#27
Thanks for the history lesson about the service teams (no joke intended). However, Notre Dame's "respect" for the armed forces may be costing you guys a shot @ the Natioal Title on a yearly basis. If you guys were to pull just one service team off of your schedule and start playing Florida State or Miami or a good SEC team, your SOS would shoot through the roof. Don't downplay Miami & FSU's bad year, you know just like everyone else that it is temporary. I as a Miami fan personally miss the "catholics vs. convicts" era of that rivalry. I want it back.VOLPIMP said:
posted on November 20, 2006 4:35 PM — 208.0.27.10 — link — abuse?
Saturday definitely didn't clear up anything, actually made it alot more complicated! Any of you SEC fans or anyone else that care to can blog at Voluminous, will be glad to see any of you there, if not I'll still see you here at Fanblogs. VOLPIMP
IrishJT said:
posted on November 20, 2006 5:09 PM — 65.83.54.4 — link — abuse?
Tommy T,
Do you dispute that USC didn't see the endzone until the FOURTH QUARTER against Cal?? Cal has three losses...they aren't a top flight team. They lost to three-loss Tennessee by more than a handful. What is stupid about that comment exactly? Because you're a USC fan?? That makes that comment ridiculous? Three field goals in 45 minutes against Cal-Berkeley is an effing JOKE!! I dare anyone to dispute the validity of the following TRUE statement:"I'm not sure why USC fans are so cocky. Cal looked liked a decent high school team Saturday night, sputtering for 4 quarters. USC didn't get in the endzone until the second half."
IrishJT said:
posted on November 20, 2006 5:14 PM — 65.83.54.4 — link — abuse?
GatorHippy,
The answer to your question is 8:Notre Dame has played/will play the following teams, who at one time were ranked in the Top 25 this season:
ND: 8 teams...GaTech, Michigan, Penn State, Purdue, Michigan State, UCLA, Navy, and USC.
Florida: 5 teams... LSU, Tenn, Auburn, Georgia, and FSU.
Teams STILL RANKED in the BCS Top 25:
ND= 4 teams... Mich, GaTech, Penn State, and USCFla= 4 teams...LSU, Auburn, Tenn & Arkansas (which is Florida's 13th game)
Still think Florida's schedule was tougher? And by the way, I was at the Auburn/Florida game. There was nothing controversial about that loss. The Tigers handed The Fighting Chris Leaks their ass in the second half...plain and simple.
AU03 said:
posted on November 20, 2006 5:27 PM — 205.255.224.10 — link — abuse?
IrishJT,
Who you played doesn't matter, it's who you BEAT.
If ND wins this weekend, then they will make a strong case for playing in Glendale, but I would harldy brag about playing Michigan, with the way that game turned out.Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 20, 2006 5:41 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
IrishJT:
Being slaughtered by both Michigan and USC is nothing to be proud of. Your mental dude!
Marshawn Lynch would run over Notre Dame for over 200+ yards and Longshore would throw for four TD's against your soft defense. What are you talking about? Do you think Army is as good as Cal? Are you retarted? You gave up nine to Army - we gave up nine to Cal. Do you think there is a comparison?
Why do you ask me if I dispute scoring against Cal until the 4th quarter? They didn't did they? Why would I dispute that? Oh, I guess I could do what everyone else does and say, "the refs cheated us out of a TD in the 1st minute of the game"! How bout that? We did score a TD - immediately, but they called it off. How long did it take your team to score against UCLA? Do you think they'll hold us to 17? Do you think they'll get 14? How many do you really think you'll get? I sure hope you get more than nine so you don't have to look so idiotic. Both Oregon and Cal came in averaging 36, which is more than Notre Dame BTW, and came away with 10 and 9 respectively. If you can keep your panties out of a bunch until Saturday - you'll be able to show the whole world what a genius both you and Charlie Weis really are. Good Luck!Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 20, 2006 6:11 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
IrishJT:
If your anything like "CAL BEAR FAN" - we won't be hearing from you after this weekend. Man, that dude spewed forth the same crap you do, and now he has disappeared into oblivion. Hope that doesn't have to happen to you. I kinda get a kick out of your insane ravings.
Tommie T
Jarred said:
posted on November 20, 2006 7:16 PM — 12.178.138.65 — link — abuse?
I'll accept that the injury to our QUARTERBACK!!! was not that significant when USC fans accept that they beat Cal by 14, who lost to Tenn. by 17 who lead by 35, they beat Arizona by 17 who lost to LSU by 42, they beat Wash ST by 6, who lost to Auburn by 26, they LOST to Oregon state by 2, who lost to Boise State by 28. All of these games very early in the year. Arkansas has already beat Tenn and Auburn, with the good qbs. No wonder you guys want Arkansas to lose to LSU, it's the only way for these games not to make sense. NOBODY goes from getting a beatdown to possible SEC champion without something major happenning. Ohh I forgot, it's because USC is just soooo good and the Pac-10 is just sooooo good.
Nelson said:
posted on November 20, 2006 7:42 PM — 72.36.28.177 — link — abuse?
Tommie T. Everytime time you post proves you have to be from California the land of fruits and nuts! Ease up will you? Yes, the trojans are one of the best teams in the country, but not the best yet until it's proven on the field. Give it a rest unless you got something new to say! Your team may be great, but your a loser!
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 20, 2006 8:01 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Jarred:
I'm gonna type this really slow so that maybe you can understand this: Washington, Washington State, Arizona and Oregon State are NOT BIG GAMES for USC. But, they are the "Biggest Game of the Year" for any team that plays us. Arkansas, Nebraska, Oregon, California, Notre Dame and UCLA are our "Big Games". Now, clearly, both Arkansas and Nebraska have bigger games coming up now. But, they sure did not then. In fact, USC will be the "Big Game" for any team that plays us for the most part. Especially, all of the contenders. Michigan may not view the Rose Bowl as a Big Game compared to it's game against Ohio State. They could fall because of it. USC carries the target every single game. When your team gets to there, try wearin' that Big Ol' X around every game for about five years and see how it feels on you. I'll bet it wears you down - or you get stronger. The choice is yours. Do you really think USC is gonna "get weak"? You people are just way too freakin' lame for me to even commiserate with (what's that mean?).
Tommie T
GatorMatt said:
posted on November 20, 2006 8:53 PM — 65.213.191.153 — link — abuse?
Good God, I don't care if Florida makes it to the championship game. I just wanna see USC get beaten by someone so this asshole Tommie will shut up. USC is a good team, we get it! Seriously, go find a hobby and stop telling everyone how you're a FAN of them. If you're a player on the team, that's one thing, but you're a fan. You have no outcome on the game. Please stop bragging like you're the starting QB
RUKiddinMe said:
posted on November 20, 2006 8:54 PM — 24.252.206.222 — link — abuse?
I truly wish that these USC fans would except their loss to Oreg. St. and go back where they belong! If these people/computers would only LOOK at who each of these 1 loss teams lost to all this drama would end for the majority of us! USC fans would still be shocked though tryn to compensate with their silly little #s! The PAC-10 is the same PAC-10 from last year, all of them were blown away by USC only to have their "CHAMP" beat down by Texas who in turn lost their star and can no longer find their way either! Some of the people have been fooled by this paper champ but their are some of us who do not and will not believe until it is Proven to be true!
Jarred said:
posted on November 20, 2006 9:23 PM — 12.178.138.65 — link — abuse?
Wow Tommy nice response. No numbers at that. Nebraska used to have the X. Around here conference games mean the most. Nobody here expected to do well this year. Nutt's finally doing what fans have wanted for a long time. We knew we wouldn't win beat you but to play as well as we did and the subsequent results (improved health and performance) makes everybody say,"what if." If anyone else were to do the same thing abut their team it would make sense, not that it should reverse the results. I don't get why you people freak out because someone said "what if." Next year, if no one decide to play kick ball with the pavement and other possibilities, whose to say "what if."
IrishJT said:
posted on November 20, 2006 9:45 PM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Tommy T,
Wow! You really do see the world through ketchup and mustard colored glasses, don't you?First of all, I'm not "retarted" or even RETARDED. I can obviously spell three syllable words better than you. The Irish lost to number two Michigan, not unranked, never been ranked Oregon State. Now I want you to bend over, grab your ankles and rip your out from between your butt cheeks!! It's true...Reggie and Leinart left the team. USC is over-rated. The Irish will expose them Saturday night. You can't score with Notre Dame...period. Brady will throw for nearly 400 yards Saturday night because he hasn't played all 4 quarters since his masterful game against UCLA. He's rested, he's pissed and most of all, he...like most of us...is so sick of Pete Carroll and the Trojan nation that everyone is rooting for the IRISH to deliver that asskicking they so richly deserve...and will get.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on November 20, 2006 10:44 PM — 216.46.212.206 — link — abuse?
Irish beat USC on the field last year! Scoreboard just did'nt show it!
Irish are returning almost everybody,while usc lost the big three,and beleive me,Irish want revenge for that steal last year! Irish JT I'm pulling for ya in the NC,and I'll be watching the Irish smear some red and yellow all over the coliseum!
GO IRISH
GO BLUE
GO OSU
GO WISCONSINTommie Trojan said:
posted on November 20, 2006 10:56 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
IrishJT:
The opening line is USC by 7.5 points. Do you think you know more than the oddsmakers? If you do, then take everything you have, and put it down on Notre Dame this weekend. You'll end up being about $5 richer. The great savior Cal, was only a 5.5 dog last week, and they lost by 14. I'm sure that Notre Dame will do much better - that is why the oddsmakers don't think they will.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 20, 2006 11:02 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
The thing that makes alot of you folks so ignorant, is that it not only matters who you lost to, it matters who you beat. A win over Stanford is better than any win over Western Carolina. You get too bogged down in a stupid loss. Michigan's seven point win over Ball State was way worse than USC's two point loss to Oregon State. We could go on all day with this - but it just isn't worth it. Last week all you moron's really thought Cal, with their high octane offense, was gonna win the game. I explained it to a tee how it was gonna be. Did even one of you fools see the game. Picture your team next. That is what it is gonna look like for you. So - shut up! Man, I have never seen so much jealosy and envy from a bunch of whining little babies ever. Get a team!
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 20, 2006 11:07 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
The only one watchin' the games is Mooka. That is why he is so quiet. That's okay, Mooka. I'm gonna let you slide - just because you didn't understand. The Mayor didn't have that excuse - so he volunteered it up all on his own. But, if your watchin' the games, your gettin' the picture, arent you Mooka?
Tommie T
Nationwish said:
posted on November 20, 2006 11:42 PM — 24.253.227.89 — link — abuse?
If Arkansas wins out, they will have proven more than enough to play for the national championship. They will have beaten Tennessee, LSU, and Florida in the last month of the season. Notre Dame hasn't beaten anyone. All Michigan has done is that they can play a good team close, but lose. They have only beaten one decent team. The Big Ten, besides the top three teams, is pathetic. They are like a glamoured up Big East. If Arkansas wins out, the only team that deserves to play for the championship is a one-loss USC.
T-Mac said:
posted on November 20, 2006 11:46 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Words of Tommie Trojan. "Michigan's seven point win over Ball State was way worse than USC's two point loss to Oregon State". WHAT DA FUGK??? Last time I checked a WIN is always better than a LOSS. I've played football for a long time and that is how I understand it to be. This Tommie Trojan is on here telling everybody that USC getting beat by an UNRANKED TEAM is way better than Michigan getting a 7 point victory over Ball State. How stupid is that? And this Tommie Trojan guy is on here calling people ignorant, moron's, and fools. I could call Tommie Trojan out in the middle of the street and make him look like a complete and total dipsh*t that he is, but I will not do that. These blogs are about football. NOT NAME-CALLING. Tommie Trojan you really need to get off the computer for awhile and find out what football is all about. The game of football Grade school, College, or the NFL is about WINS AND LOSSES. The caliber of the team is invalid as long as you win. Oh, I almost forgot. The BCS. That is what you are talking about. Don't stoop so low as to compare a Michigan Victory to a USC Mighty Trojan Loss to an UNRANKED team. It is funny to me how you and Cal So were nowhere to be found on here in the days after that USC loss to Oregon State, but now you grasp for straws to try and justify it. It's Comical. Tommie Trojan you say "Get a team". Well, Oregon State has a team that beat the Mighty Men of Troy and they are UNRANKED. Let's not forget that. You need to cool your jets bro. On here acting like USC is all that. None of the other TOP-TIER TEAMS have suffered a loss to an UNRANKED team. Go ahead and write one of your CLASSIC 10,000 word posts about that TT. Quit insulting people on here to bro. It doesn't do anything but make you look bad. I tell you what. When I'm in the National Football League in 2008 I'll autograph a football for you. That is if you can get out from in front of the computer throwing insults at people! T-Mac
craoli said:
posted on November 21, 2006 12:40 AM — 217.64.18.174 — link — abuse?
IF Arkansas beats LSU and FL in a solid way, they definetely deserve a chance at Ohio St. Anyone who goes undefeated in the SEC and beats solid teams like LSU, FL, TN, and AU should get a chance. They are a totally different team since that first game. What happened to USC when they lost to Oregon St.?????? I feel a loss to a weak opponent should disquailify them. Notre Dame has had their chance at one of the top 2 and failed. They also have a weak schedule(only USC and MI)as they only had 2 tough opponents.
Cane_Nation said:
posted on November 21, 2006 8:36 AM — 205.166.218.39 — link — abuse?
Thank you T-MAC. Very well said, I've never undrestood this guys fascination with HIS OWN RANKING SYSTEM that means NOTHING in the REAL WORLD. Under his SYSTEM, USC (that's Southern Cal, Cock-N-Fire) would win the "Tommie Trojan National Championship sponsored by the Star Trek Delux Edition Box Set" every year. Tommie, understand that the most important thing is the win-loss column in the sports page. And before all the bashing comes around, I'm well aware of my teams record. But if looses are so good, then we might actually be bowl elegible.
IrishJT said:
posted on November 21, 2006 9:09 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Craoli,
Wow! Another SEC fan saying that Notre Dame hasn't played anybody this year. Utah State, Vandy, Alabama, SE Mizz St (??), Louisiana Monroe, Miss St., and South Carolina (after they lose to Clemson) are ALL teams that Arkansas played this year, NONE OF WHICH HAVE A WINNING RECORD!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's SEVEN TEAMS on that Arkansas Schedule who aren't above .500.It's pretty easy to have rested starters when the JV can play the entire second half. No risk of injury, very little schemes to show next week's team...it's quite the advantage.
And before you rag on the service academies, keep in mind that Air Force gave "mighty Tennessee" all they could squirt at home and Navy has another 9-win season.
SEC teams just aren't that GREAT this year. At the end of this season, only one team MAYBE will have one loss...both Florida could have two or three. If the Irish beat USC soundly, call Glendale...it's done.
easternfan said:
posted on November 21, 2006 12:02 PM — 67.72.98.93 — link — abuse?
A crushing defeat should disqualify a team too, craoli #64. I.E. your razorbacks getting whipped at home by USC and ND at home by UM. Lose like that at home and kiss the NT game goodby. If USC wins out there is absolutly no way that Ar-Kansas has any hope of the NT. The SEC's only hope is a 12-1 Florida.
Jarred said:
posted on November 21, 2006 12:14 PM — 12.178.138.65 — link — abuse?
As the Number 2 man on the Stupid List I would like to extend an invitation to all interested parties to join ATTASC, Anti Tommy Trojan and So Cal. There will be no dues, initiations, or membership sreening. The only requirement will be the following:
ATTASC
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 21, 2006 12:38 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
You all are fools and don't know crap. Oregon State would beat Ball State by thirty points. The "computers" would consider that the two point loss was better than Michigan's seven point win - except for the stupid philosophy of "a win is a win". B-ll Sheeeit! I don't buy that at all. Michigan played way more horrible on that day than USC did against Oregon State. The "computers" will back that up. The computers were put in, in order to try and hold back the mindless bias, of certain voters. Some of you fall into that mindless catagory. And, you T-Mac, are the biggest BS'er of them all. If you really ever played even one lick of ball - you would know what I'm talkin' about. You SEC'ers are constantly yackin' up that losses in the SEC are tougher than wins in other conferences. Hypocrits you are - every single one. Don't tell me you can't get this correlation. None of you are really that stupid. Why don't ya'll just come out and say that you absolutely hate USC, because they keep winning, and your team has no chance. That you would rather some undeserving team get the opportunity rather than the "program" that has won 56 of the last 61 games and counting. Yeh, tell me that instead - because all of your other arguments are just trash.
Tommie T
GatorMatt said:
posted on November 21, 2006 12:59 PM — 130.218.254.81 — link — abuse?
I could have sworn the discussion was about this year, not years past. Now, forget about the computer polls for a minute. If you honestly say that a loss is better than a win, you are a godd*amn idiot. No HUMAN in their right mind is going to look at it. I don't thin anyone here is arguing that USC is a bad team, they've just had too many close calls. And on your same point, how do the computers rate narrow victories over Washington, Washington State, and ASU? Are you saying that a loss to another unranked team would look better than those close wins?
VTBobb said:
posted on November 21, 2006 1:35 PM — 208.229.147.26 — link — abuse?
Tommie T,
On post #61 - someone calling others "ignorant" and "moron's" should really check spelling, punctuation and grammar first (not that I do, but I'm not resorting to school yard name calling either).on #68 - The computers that "...were put in, in order to try and hold back the mindless bias, of certain voters" have USC at #3, while those same voters have them at #2.
Your sounding an awful lot like Irish JT's ridiculous assertions that "Southern and West Coast voters were raised to hate Notre Dame, educated to hate Notre Dame and now vote their obvious biases agins the Irish." This despite the fact that those SAME voters had the Irish ranked 2 to 5 spots HIGHER than both their BCS and Computer rankings consitently last year. I guess the AP voters' upbringing came out suddenly this season.
Considering both USC's and ND's "golden child" status with various pundits and voters, it's assinine to try to claim unfair bias AGAINST either team. Sure, there are probably voters that have a slight bias against either or both teams, but that's more than offset by the voters that have an unfair bias FOR either team.
Tommie T, Irish JT or both are going to be even more unbearable after this weekend. If only there was a way for both to lose...
Cane_Nation said:
posted on November 21, 2006 1:45 PM — 205.166.218.39 — link — abuse?
Tommie,
I know what you are trying to say about the loss versus the win. I know Oregon State would crush Ball State, but are you trying to say Oregon State would beat Michigan? If Michigan played Ball State again they would crush them, if USC played Oregon State again Usc would easily beat the Beavers. I don't hate the Trojans, I am jealous to a degree. But, that's because if you will remember my 'Canes were these USC teams of today (only better in 2001,2002). Tell me if you see any similarity: 2000 - Miami finished with one loss and is robbed of playing for a national title that they no doubt would have won / 2001 completely dominates the nation and destroys Nebraska in the national Championship game (Nebraska is just now recovering) / 2002 again dominates the nation (though not quite like the prvious year), talk of all time greatest team, and loses a heartbreaker in the National Championship Game, first #2 to win the BCS (care to guess who was the second?) / 2003 lost 2 games in the regular season (V.Tech & UT), won BCS bowl game / 2004 lost 3 Games in the regular season(UNC, Clemson, V.Tech) and won the Peach Bowl / 2005 lose opener to FSU, win out to regain hope, then drop to Ga. Tech, and get humiliated in the Peach Bowl / 2006 I can't even talk about it without making my stomach hurt.
The moral is don't get TOO caught up in the program. It can come crashing down, but not in a heartbeat (that would be too easy). If you lose this gamw to Notre Dame you'll be right on pace, Tommie.
No way in hell would you have told me in 2002 that I'd be giving you this warning right now.
For what it's worth,GO 'CANES.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on November 21, 2006 1:58 PM — 216.46.213.237 — link — abuse?
Tommie,I WOULD RATHER SEE BALL STATE,GET A NC APPEARANCE OVER U.S.C. aaaaaahhhhhhhahahahahahaha I SAID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TOMMIE,BALL STATE,WOULD GIVE USC A SEVERE DRUBBING!!!!!!!!!! Now please spend four hours cramming numbers into your red and yellow mind,and tell me why Oregon state,is better than Michigan,and USC,is better than Oregon State.....and Boise State, is better than all of em! wwwwooooooooo!!!!!
Michigan is not playing like a top 50 team,in fact I don't think Michigan could even score on USC,but just the same I will hope Michigan torches USC in the rosebowl........but wait! Michigan lost 28-14 the last time they played! And I say WHO CARES! That was a different team!
Jan 01 1989 Michigan 22 USC 14 see we beat USC on their own turf! And it can be done again!craoli said:
posted on November 21, 2006 2:00 PM — 217.64.18.174 — link — abuse?
IrishJT,
I know you want your team to go to the big game but please don't be so narrow minded as to think that ND's schedule is as tough as ARK's. Ark has 5 teams on their schedule that are in top 20--3 of those in top 10. And as for the SEC, if you didn't know it, there are 5 sec teams in the top 20--3 of those(ARK, FL, and LSU)in top 10. IF ARK beats FL and LSU in a solid way they definetly deserve a shot at Ohio St. LSU and FL are both really good teams it will be real difficult for ARK to dominate both of them and most will be very surprised if they do. BUT
IF they do......GatorMatt said:
posted on November 21, 2006 2:01 PM — 130.218.254.81 — link — abuse?
Does anyone in here either find validity, or like what good ol' Tommie Trojan has to say? Or does everyone find it to be the same B.S "USC is God" every week? I mean seriously, who makes up their own ranking system? I personally just enjoy spending Saturdays at the Swamp and not looking too deep past the W-L column
M GO BLUE said:
posted on November 21, 2006 2:19 PM — 216.46.213.237 — link — abuse?
Tommie,I sure hope Oregon State,would beat ball state,because Michigan already beat them....with the third string. But on the other hand,Oregon state did beat USC,how about that? Oh,right,haha,I forgot,that was a different USC team! OOHHH yeah they have improved since then,OOOHHH MAMA,THEM TROJANS ARE SOOOOO BIG,AND FAST,AND STRONG,AND THEY HAVE THAT 300-0 RECORD THAT'S WINNING GAMES FOR THEM,BECAUSE THE OTHER TEAM SHAKES WHEN THEY SEE IT!(except for them darn beavers who would'nt look at the 300-0 record)even Boise State can burn the beavers...(burn the beavers hmmm has a nice ring to it) anyway if USC does'nt score at least 50 points on ND,you will not hear the end of it from me!!!
Now please write me back soon,and tell me all about it!
P.S. I really like it when you downplay Michigan,and tell us how bad they are,cause it makes me realize HOW CRAAAAZY YOU ARE =)
but hurry up and tell me exactly how bad ND is!
So after the game I can laugh really hard =)
WOOOOO WOOOOO YEEEEEE HAAAAAAAA THEM TROJANS....(SIGH)they're sooo awesome that cute little song they play....after every play...those cut hot dog uni's......that cute little stadium....those cute LITTLE players that get payed millions to wear those cute uni's and hear that cute song after every play.volstrike3 said:
posted on November 21, 2006 3:45 PM — 68.238.73.35 — link — abuse?
IrishJT,
Lets not blow that UT/Air Force game out of proportion. UT has a 15 point lead with 2:30 left and Air Force had two very oregon/OU scores. UT beat air force soundly all day and that was never really as close as it looked.
terzo22 said:
posted on November 21, 2006 5:25 PM — 24.227.111.71 — link — abuse?
Tommie T,
I think you have too much faith in a skeptics system. And you have to admit a lot of your statements are based on assumptions. Oregon St. may be better than Ball St. but unless they play there is no way to say for sure. You can make all sorts of comparisons and predictions but in the end that’s all they are. You can't say definitively USC would have did better against a Ball St. or that Michigan would have done horrible against Oregon St. Personally, I just think both teams got caught of guard and it's ridicules to use these games for comparison purposes.
The BCS has been good to USC, not that they haven’t earned it. But if you’re a fan of a team less fortunate than USC, (pretty much every other team in college football) then it's easy to hate the BCS and its computers.
A couple of more beefs,
1. In your post you sometimes refer to the "experts" or the odds makers. If you’re going to refer to there knowledge to back up what you say you can't pick and choose when to do so. With one breathe you refer to what the odds makers say about USC and then you ask someone if they dare think they know something the experts don’t. Well then I say the same to you, everyone in the country has Ohio St. #1 even your flawless computer polls gave them a perfect rating (something USC never has accomplished by the way) yet you say they are overrated, ok what do you know that the whole country doesn’t?2. All this is a waste of time Ohio St. has this year locked up and you other teams should have some more dignity. Don’t squabble with each other for the chance to get crushed by OSU.
3. We can start this Argument now OSU is going to repeat next year, with a softened up big ten and weak OOC schedule. Something like what USC pulled off a few years back. I know it's not fair and I can already hear the out cry of injustice, but until we get a playoff system that’s the way the chips are going to fall. Tommie T I’m interested to hear what you say when your on the outside looking in at Ohio St.’s Dynasty?
IrishJT said:
posted on November 21, 2006 7:30 PM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Craoli,
Hey, I don't doubt that Arkansas, and virtually every SEC team, plays some very stout teams. All of them play 3 or 4. To Arkansas' credit, the were virtually the only team in the SEC that scheduled a decent OOC game (Tenn fans might still think 3-loss Cal was a powerhouse).However, my point about the SEC is that the conference schedules one of the weakest, if not THE WEAKEST, out of conference schedule. There are an incredible amount of sun-belt, conference USA and D-II teams that are played by the likes of Florida, Auburn, Alabama, Arkansas, LSU, Tennessee, Georgia, etc. It's comical to say that a team has a tough schedule when BUFFALO or WESTERN CAROLINA or ARKANSAS STATE or UTAH STATE is on the schedule. This is without mention of the Louisiana-Monroe battles that happen every year.
The pitfall of the SEC is not its conference schedule, but its incredible lack of judgment when scheduling OOC teams. Instead of Buffalo, how about Duke or Army or Ball State or Toledo or Stanford or ANY BIG EAST TEAM!!
That is the only problem I have with the SEC. If ND wins by 14 or more, and Florida doesn't win the SEC, that 52-10 loss at home against a common opponent in USC will keep Arkansas IN the Sugar Bowl and propel the Irish to Glendale.
So I'm rootin' for the Razorbacks!! Beat Florida...just lose to LSU first.
Tomcat said:
posted on November 21, 2006 7:40 PM — 69.153.81.120 — link — abuse?
# 72 VTBob Thanks,I enjoyed your post, Same they both can't lose.Congrats on the Hookies 27-6 victory over Wake.
The best game last week was not Ohio St vs Michigan.Although they were ranked #1 and #2 it was still a conference game.No different than any other conference game.
Texas Tech 30 OK State 24
Kansas 39 K-State 20
Iowa St 21 Missu 16
Rice 18 E Carolina 17
SMU 34 Tulsa 24
Houston 23 Memphis 20
TCU 52 SD State 0
Arizona 37 Oregon 10
Cincinnati 30 Rutgers 11
Virginia 17 Miami 7
N Carolina 23 NC State 9
Boston C 38 Maryland 16
Penn St 17 Mich St 13
Hookem Horns 57-28Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 21, 2006 7:53 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Terzo22:
I say more power to you. If Ohio State makes a dynasty - fine with me. I already got USC, Texas and Ohio State making that happen - so your not giving me any news that I don't already know.
Ohio State does not have this thing "locked up". You have not played the team that has won 54 of the last 57 - and better hope you don't have to. The perfect rating in the computer is based on playing very well against every team you've played - but you haven't played every team. Ohio State has played a relitively soft schedule with good wins over Texas, Penn State and Michigan. I have Ohio State rated #1 - about 2 1/2 points better than USC for the duration of the season. USC is playing much better than that now.
Terzo22, I can go with your opinion - but don't be so smug when you haven't even beaten the best team yet. Texas shut my mouth last year. You'll have to do the same "on the field". Playing Michigan again isn't gonna get it done. We'll take Michigan though. I'd love to have them in the Rose Bowl. We'll just see if we could eek out a three point win at home.Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 22, 2006 9:07 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Terzo22:
Yeh, good home and home. No matter what happens though - USC will not get any credit for that. Even if we win either of those games - everyone will proclaim that "Ohio State sucks this year". Cuddos to Ohio State for stepping up their SOS. Should they win either of those they will clearly be in the driver seat.
Tommie T
IrishJT said:
posted on November 22, 2006 9:13 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Tommy T,
All national titles don't go through USC...they go through South Bend!!! USC has had a good run in the last 4 years. It ends Saturday when the Brady Quinn and the Irish firmly place the sole of their boot on the neck of Booty and the Trojans. Your first 'really' big game this year will end with the Trojans having a 'really big' black eye.Go Irish!
craoli said:
posted on November 22, 2006 9:46 AM — 217.64.18.174 — link — abuse?
IrishJT,
I suppose you're right about the sec ooc games being weak. But also realize that most teams don't play as difficult of inner conference scedule as the sec does. Like I mentioned, for ARK to have 5 top 20 opponents(3 top 10) is impressive, no matter how weak their ooc opponents were. The inner conference play kinda makes up for the weak outer conference play. Based on the strength of ARK's 5 quaility opponents, IF ARK can beat FL and LSU in a solid way, I feel they've more than earned a shot at Ohio St.IrishJT said:
posted on November 22, 2006 10:55 AM — 65.83.54.4 — link — abuse?
If an SEC Florida or Arkansas team wins out, and Notre Dame beats USC soundly, I honestly feel the SEC team will get the nod.
I'm sure I agree with it, especially if the team is Arkansas having lost to a common opponent the Irish would have beaten, but that's what I think the southern sportswriters and coaches would do.
But I DO FEEL that the BCS would love to have Notre Dame in the title game. It would make the 13 share that the OSU/Mich game got look like a Seinfeld rerun. The Irish travel well and have more fans than any team, anywhere at anytime.
Good luck boys!! Go Irish! Happy Thanksgiving.
Gerald said:
posted on November 22, 2006 11:28 AM — 216.113.128.239 — link — abuse?
IrishJT:
Here we go again with the "southern sportswriters and coaches" nonsense. Did the "southern sportswriters and coaches" help AUBURN in 2004? Geesh. Even if Notre Dame beats Southern Cal, that will be Notre Dame's first victory over a top 15 team in two years. Arkansas/Florida and Michigan would still have more wins over top 15 teams THIS YEAR than Notre Dame would have had in TWO YEARS, and for that matter West Virginia/Rutgers/Louisville would also. Now, this southern Protestant is rooting for you to beat USC, even if it does get you a title game trip that you don't deserve. I am fine with ND going just as long as USC (loser to Oregon State) and Michigan (for obvious reasons) do not go.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 22, 2006 11:47 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
IrishJT:
Your half right. USC only has to roll thru South Bend every two years to win a National Championship. But, if you want to count this year should Michigan somehow win it, then they rolled right on thru South Bend also. So, you might be able to claim that distinction for this year. Otherwise, nobody had to roll thru South Bend to win the National Championship this year. Texas didn't have to last year either.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 22, 2006 11:52 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
IrishJT:
The networks would never want another Ohio State vs Notre Dame scrimmage for the National Championship. After we all watched Ohio State paste you guys last year - nobody wants to witness that kind of carnage. If you want to watch that kinda thing - tune into the Military channel. You can witness all kinds of things being "blown apart". We'd all really rather witness a real game.
Tommie T
CINCI-JAM said:
posted on November 22, 2006 12:20 PM — 69.133.4.221 — link — abuse?
WHAT IF, WHAT IF, WHAT IF. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MICH PLAY ND IN THE ROSE BOWL. OH ST PLAY FLORIDA FOR ALL THE MARBLES. USC PLAY WEST V FOR SOME FIREWORKS. LOUISVILLE PLAY ARK FOR A TASTE OF THE SOUTH AND FINALLY WISC PLAY LSU FOR THE LEFT OVERS. THIS YEAR HAS BEEN ENJOYABLE, GO COLLEGE FOOTBALL.
DaBears said:
posted on November 22, 2006 1:03 PM — 68.2.223.2 — link — abuse?
Any one lost team should be good enough to play Ohio St That's why there should be a play off It's a disgrace not to drop Mich. like everybody else got drop when they lost a game. If the number 1 defense gives 42 pts to Ohio St & scores 39 After giving up 26 pts to BALL ST & Only scoring 35 pts. I not sure there's enough difference that anybody shouldn't have a shot at the national championship base on comparisons. The only reason Big Ten schools get such high rankings is the size of their alumni.
Michigan should be the LAST TEAM to get a shot at the OH ST. They already got beat! Even ND should get a chance if they beat USC Look at the year they beat Florida St & they GAVE Florida St The title.I rest My case MICHIGAN needs to play in the Cheerio Bowl
Cane_Nation said:
posted on November 22, 2006 1:07 PM — 205.166.218.5 — link — abuse?
Tommie T:
Enough of the "54 of the last 57" That don't mean anything. It's about this year. I know I'm repeating myself but here it goes:
Tell me if you see any similarity: 2000 - Miami finished with one loss and is robbed of playing for a national title that they no doubt would have won / 2001 completely dominates the nation and destroys Nebraska in the national Championship game (Nebraska is just now recovering) / 2002 again dominates the nation (though not quite like the prvious year), talk of all time greatest team, and loses a heartbreaker in the National Championship Game, first #2 to win the BCS (care to guess who was the second?) / 2003 lost 2 games in the regular season (V.Tech & UT), won BCS bowl game / 2004 lost 3 Games in the regular season(UNC, Clemson, V.Tech) and won the Peach Bowl / 2005 lose opener to FSU, win out to regain hope, then drop to Ga. Tech, and get humiliated in the Peach Bowl / 2006 I can't even talk about it without making my stomach hurt.
The moral is don't get TOO caught up in the program. It can come crashing down, but not in a heartbeat (that would be too easy). If you lose this game to Notre Dame you'll be right on pace, Tommie.
terzo22 said:
posted on November 22, 2006 2:14 PM — 65.80.239.209 — link — abuse?
I'm hoping for a USC Ohio St. match up or if Florida comes on strong then them. I predicted after the Fiesta Bowl last year that there would be a rematch for the NC but the Irish couldn’t make a good enough case for themselves, so far. The reason I’m leaning towards USC is for the fact it could be the start of a decent rivalry over the next few years.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 22, 2006 2:35 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
IrishJT:
After further review - I believe that you may be correct in saying that the National Championship hinges on Notre Dame. I know that the "Big Debate" is gonna be "who beat Notre Dame worse - Michigan or USC". Michigan folks are gonna be claiming that they beat the crap out of your sorry azz team in "your house" - while I'll have to defend the Trojans for only being able to slaughter you guys at home. Sadly, no matter how bad USC beats Notre Dame - it may not be able to end the memories of the spectacle of Michigan stomping Notre Dame in their own backyard. This in fact could be the memory that propels Michigan into the Championship game. Well, at least you guys can take credit for one thing: you played so badly against Michigan that USC had no chance at a National Championship. Good work Charlie Weis! The whole country should be proud of the Irish. They've single handedly brought down the Trojans and didn't even have to win a game.
Tommie T
Bwilly said:
posted on November 22, 2006 3:38 PM — 170.153.65.23 — link — abuse?
This argument is dependent upon LSU beating Arkansas, Arkansas beating Florida, and Notre Dame beating USC convincingly, the Irish deserve the right to play Ohio St.
*But didn’t Michigan, also with one loss, beat the Irish in South Bend. Yes. BUT do not tell me that a team cannot improve throughout the season. Because if you do, that means that Michigan shouldn’t rematch OSU, because they already lost to them….and have no shot of improving and beating them. And let’s not pretend the Michigan/OSU game was really as close as the score indicated, because it wasn’t. Great game, just not as close as the scoreboard said.
*The Irish loss was Week 3. The Irish will have run off 9 straight wins to end the season if they beat SC. Michigan is coming off of a loss. A loss where they gave up 42 pts in their last game. Part of the deal of having national championship aspirations, is finishing strong. The later you lose, the more it takes you out of championship talks. But not if you’re Michigan? Bullcrap. The only other team with a potentially longer win streak than ND throughout the season is Arkansas, if they win out. That said, if Arkansas wins out, it should be them.
*If the Irish’s one loss came vs. Penn St, or UCLA instead of Michigan, they would have more of a chance to play in the title. This argument in itself should put ND in the title game, if FL and AR both lose. Michigan was their highest ranked opponent. How can you penalize a team more harshly for losing against a more quality opponent? USC is a shoe in, if they beat Notre Dame and UCLA, yet their loss is to a horrible Oregon St. team. At least ND lost to a good team in Week 3. Not to a bad team in Week 8.
*If G Tech wins out and takes the ACC title, and USC wins vs. UCLA and secures the PAC-10 title, then the Irish will have beat two conference champions. This is deserving of being considered into the title game to play yet a third conference champ. Who else has beaten two conference champions? Not Michigan.
*Let’s blindly look at this. If #2 loses to #1, and then #6 beats #3 convincingly, who should play #1 in the championship?. Those are the circumstances. And to say that #2 deserves a rematch makes no sense as they lost to #1 already. Notre Dame will be ranked #3 if they beat USC. A quality win in your last game should mean more than a quality loss your last game. Period.
IrishJT said:
posted on November 22, 2006 3:45 PM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Tommy T,
You're pretty confident in your rather soft Trojan team. I think you're in for a rude awakening Saturday night. Like I've said before, Leinart, Lendale and Reggie are gone...and you've replaced them with CFL prospects. Not sure you're going to be able to forgive yourself for your rather large jibs here on the blog. My guess is that after Saturday we won't hear much from you...just like after Oregon State.By the way, Ohio State, with a better team, beat Notre Dame by 14 points with the Irish driving in the last 6 minutes before an errant throw. Let's not get too cocky. This Notre Dame team is not the same Irish team that lined up against the Wolverines this year. Most UofM fans don't believe they could come close to at 26 point victory if the two played tomorrow. Where you get off thinking USC might do worse to the Irish is beyond me and exactly why most folks can't stand Pete Carroll, your minion in Stewart Mandel or the University of Southern California at large.
We'll talk Sunday...or at least I will.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 22, 2006 6:45 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
IrishJT:
I'll be back on Monday and you can make all of your excuses then. No, the Oregon State game did not shut me up. In fact, I immediately bet the boyz that we would run the gauntlet and win out. After trailing Oregon State, 33-10, we have now outscored the opposition 121-19. No Army, Air Force, Navy or any other countries military is gonna be able to help you with your problem on Saturday. Oh, BTW, Superman is out of town. He's having Turkey at his folks house on Krypton. So, looks like you Irish are all on your own. Try to not embarass yourselves like Nate Longshore did. If you need to use the restroom - leave the field. Don't pee all over yourselves like Longshore did. Or, if it gets too bad - just put the freshman QB in.
Tommie T
PopsMich said:
posted on November 22, 2006 7:04 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Here is a sober assessment:
Disclaimer - My Tag shows my inclinationMichigan should not get a 2nd shot, unless the other teams DO NOT take care of business (Florida, Arkansas, USC). Sorry ND, but you can't overcome the pasting from week 3, no way and it doesn't matter how many weeks have gone by.
USC deserves to play OSU if they win out, even if Florida wins out, based on whipping Arkansas. They'll have their hands full with ND on Saturday, but it if USC wins, they should play OSU.
Florida just hasn't beaten anybody, including their fellow SEC teams. Its the best conference in depth, but doesn't have the most talented teams at the top. Urban better have his boys take care of business before popping off about "playoffs, etc." because you've got 2 games left.
Arkansas only has a shot by winning 2 games and having USC stumble.
ND has NO shot, based on loss to Michigan, even if they beat USC.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 22, 2006 8:18 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Jeff Sagarin's ratings since 1998:
1998
Ohio State (11-1) 99.20
Tennessee (13-0) 98.49 NC
Florida State (11-2) 97.44
Kansas State (11-2) 96.281999
Florida State (12-0) 102.07 NC
Nebraska (12-1) 97.50
Virginia Tech (11-1) 96.46
Kansas State (11-1) 92.462000
Florida State (11-1) 104.00
Miami (Fla.) (10-1) 99.88
Oklahoma (12-0) 99.35 NC
Nebraska (9-2) 93.912001
Miami (Fla.) (12-0) 106.36 NC
Florida (10-2) 99.46
Texas (11-2) 93.78
Tennessee (11-2) 93.192002
U.S.C. (11-2) 95.87
Miami (Fla.) (12-1) 95.05
Ohio State (14-0) 93.26 NC
Oklahoma (12-2) 93.042003
L.S.U. (13-1) 97.43 NC
U.S.C. (12-1) 95.54 NC
Oklahoma (12-2) 92.88
Georgia (11-3) 90.672004
U.S.C. (13-0) 103.37 NC
Auburn (13-0) 93.33
Oklahoma (12-1) 92.60
Utah (12-0) 92.492005
Texas (13-0) 106.93 NC
U.S.C. (12-1) 98.93
Ohio State (10-2) 95.37
Penn State (11-1) 93.472006
Ohio State (12-0) 101.63
U.S.C. (9-1) 95.35
Michigan (11-1) 93.46
Louisville (9-1) 91.44This season is not over yet and these numbers will change by the time that all of the bowl results are in. It might help to put things into perspective for some. Others will never get a clue.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 22, 2006 9:20 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
PopsMich:
I agree with everything that you pointed out except for two things. Number 1: If Notre Dame were to beat USC and USC had beaten Arkansas and Michigan had beaten Notre Dame - then Arkansas can't go based on the same analysis of why Notre Dame can't get on top of Michigan. The only way Arkansas can go is if they win their last two games, USC pounds Notre Dame, and USC loses to UCLA. That's the only way that that door gets opened in my book. Number 2: I don't have Louisville or West Virginia entirely ruled out. I have them ranked pretty highly - but, most others don't. These teams also have two games left to play. I don't know if a West Virginia win over Rutgers could help them now that Rutgers lost - but, it may help somewhat. It may even benefit Louisville somewhat. It's a longshot I know, but either one of these teams, could end up very close to the #2 or #3 hole if everybody else lost. What would people think then? It's just too bad that that conference did not play any more difficult OOC opposition. That is the only thing holding them up. And, a Louisville win over Miami this year, didn't help at all.
Tommie T
PopsMich said:
posted on November 23, 2006 6:45 AM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
TT:
Agree on Arkansas, but that is a long shot (though UCLA could pull it off if USC lets down in your scenario).WV and Louisville just haven't played anybody week-over-week. For that I give the SEC major credit. It is relentless (See Georgia beating Auburn).
To me the Big East looks like a 3 game season, back loaded. That is too easy compared to what all of the top 6 teams have faced this year.
PopsMich said:
posted on November 23, 2006 7:15 AM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
To all bashers of UM at No. 2:
Subject: Sober Assessment No.2If the other top 3 teams (USC, Fla, AK) lose, the UM DESERVES to play OSU again (sorry ND, but you have no chance).
This is not a rant, but a sober assessment. How so?
1. OSU beat UM worse than the score indicates.
2. I believe that Crable's penalty had no impact on the outcome.
3. I also believe that if the game was at a neutral site, or the Big House, then OSU STILL WOULD HAVE WON.
4. Huh? They spread, stretched and then gutted UM's defense with masterful coaching. Their skills players allowed that, and can do it to anyone. ....but a second game could be different since UM's defense will adjust.If thenother 3 teams win out (any of them), then they deserve the shot, not UM. They'll have to earn it of course. We'll see.
Forget everyone else (ND, WV, Louisville, etc.). You can't match quality wins against ND and Wisconsin, and don't have the SOS to convince enough voters (2/3 of the formula).
M GO BLUE said:
posted on November 23, 2006 1:24 PM — 216.46.211.205 — link — abuse?
PopsMich,don't be so sober. Do you remember last year? I know a lot of people think Michigan is overrated,but we started the season ranked #14 or #15 and we met and exceeded expectations,so be happy! We are going to a BCS bowl,which is huge improvement from last season.
Me personally,I think everybody in the top 25 has had a great year and a good football team,I know it's fun to trash talk the teams you hate,but even though I want to see USC,lose to ND,that does not mean that i think their team is bad,they have a talented team,so I will conclude by saying,Michigan has had a great year,we exceeded expectations,and no matter what anyone says,we have earned a BCS bowl,and that's what were getting,and we will give any team in the country all they can handle!GO BLUE!
Bwilly said:
posted on November 24, 2006 9:57 AM — 170.153.65.23 — link — abuse?
I just don't understand how ND is already considered out of the NC race. Aren't we supposed to award the best team at the end of the season? If ND trounces the Trojans, and looks like the 2nd best team in the nation, why should they be overlooked for a loss very early in September? I understand that the BCS has certain criteria, but the most heavily weighed criteria is the Coaches and AP polls. So, if ND can convince they are playing the best out of those remaining in the hunt- I think they can sway voters and get to #2 in the coaches and AP.
I have a ton of respect for Michigan, but it is amusing to me how everyone is saying that they played OSU "so tough" and how admirable their loss was. Isn't this the arguably the biggest rivalry in sports? Every year don't we say "you can throw out the records in this game"? Why is it that when it is a close game between top ranked OSU/Mich teams, that all of a sudden they are clearly the best teams in the country.
Michigan had unimpressive victories vs Penn St., Iowa, Northwestern, and BALL ST- killed Indiana, and kept it close in a rivalry game. Compare that to winning 9 straight games with an impressive victory vs. #3 USC. I understand the point of view that ND doesn't get in, but to already shut the door on them is unfair. A quality win in the last week, should way a lot heavier than a quality loss.
scarletavenger47 said:
posted on November 24, 2006 5:20 PM — 70.177.227.36 — link — abuse?
I'm a traditionalist, so here's how I think it will shake out.
Rose Bowl: Michigan v. Southern Cal (The Grand daddy love's to keep em' in house. Michigan Wins by 9)
Fiesta: Notre Dame v. West Virginia (a 100 point game)
Sugar: LSU v. Nebraska (Texas is going down hill fast, and Nebraska will win the rematch)
Orange: Oklahoma v. Georgia Tech (Georgia Tech sounds wierd doesn't it)
Title Game: The Ohio State University v. the Gators. (The talk of the SEC having the strongest conference will be put to rest after the buckeyes punch them in the mouth). Ohio State wins by 17+
Final Top 5 Standings:
1. OSU
2. Michigan
3. West Virginia
4. Florida
5. Notre Dame (Sorry ND fans, you'll pull off the miracle at the coliseum- barely, but you will be outscored by WV)PopsMich said:
posted on November 25, 2006 9:05 AM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Re 108:
That's why I've titled mine sober assessment. You're wishing for ND, while Michigan's No. 2 rank is based on accomplishment. Using your same logic, shouldn't ND have been ready for the rivalry (AT HOME) vs Michigan? That was no quality loss, but a whipping you can't recover from. The AP and Coaches know better.
Sober up, its that time of year. Oh, and good luck vs USC, we're counting on you ;)
Re: 107 - its been a great year (that isn't over, yet).....
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C-DOGG said:
posted on November 19, 2006 2:54 PM — 76.188.148.131 — link — abuse?Come on and admit it....you know you want to see an Ohio State/Michigan rematch! I never thought I would root for Notre Dame to beat USC, but that's what is needed for a rematch. No Notre Dame fans, you have no right to the Fiesta Bowl because Michigan ended that for you HEAD TO HEAD. Also, I'm sure glad that I don't have to hear those Rutgers, Wake Forest & Cal fans running their mouths anymore.