January 9, 2007
2006 Final College Football Polls
Final college football polls for all games played through January 9, 2007:
2006-2007 Final Associated Press College Football Top 25
1. FLORIDA (64) (13-1) 1,624 2
2. OHIO ST (12-1) 1,492 1
3. LSU (11-2) 1,452 4
4. USC (11-2) 1,389 8
5. BOISE ST (1) (13-0) 1,383 9
6. LOUISVILLE (12-1) 1,338 5
7. WISCONSIN (12-1) 1,288 6
8. MICHIGAN (11-2) 1,145 3
9. AUBURN (11-2) 1,112 10
10. WEST VIRGINIA (11-2) 1,035 13
11. OKLAHOMA (11-3) 933 7
12. RUTGERS (11-2) 884 16
13. TEXAS (10-3) 772 18
14. CALIFORNIA (10-3) 697 20
15. ARKANSAS (10-4) 677 12
16. BYU (11-2) 673 19
17. NOTRE DAME (10-3) 553 11
18. WAKE FOREST (11-3) 551 15
19. VIRGINIA TECH (10-3) 407 14
20. BOSTON COLLEGE (10-3) 353 23
21. OREGON ST (10-4) 291 24
22. TCU (11-2) 279 25
23. GEORGIA (9-4) 204 NR
24. PENN ST (9-4) 183 NR
25. TENNESSEE (9-4) 181 17
Others Receiving Votes: HAWAII 110, NEBRASKA 58, MARYLAND 24, SOUTH FLORIDA 17, TEXAS A&M 10, GEORGIA TECH 8, KENTUCKY 1, SAN JOSE ST 1.
2006-2007 Final USA Today Coaches College Football Poll
1. FLORIDA (63) (13-1) 1,575 2
2. OHIO ST (12-1) 1,435 1
3. LSU (11-2) 1,418 4
4. USC (11-2) 1,345 7
5. WISCONSIN (12-1) 1,328 5
6. BOISE ST (13-0) 1,275 9
7. LOUISVILLE (12-1) 1,270 6
8. AUBURN (11-2) 1,119 10
9. MICHIGAN (11-2) 1,092 3
10. WEST VIRGINIA (11-2) 1,012 12
11. OKLAHOMA (11-3) 849 8
12. RUTGERS (11-2) 841 17
13. TEXAS (10-3) 791 16
14. CALIFORNIA (10-3) 716 19
15. BYU (11-2) 615 20
16. ARKANSAS (10-4) 592 13
17. WAKE FOREST (11-3) 535 15
18. VIRGINIA TECH (10-3) 494 14
19. NOTRE DAME (10-3) 485 11
20. BOSTON COLLEGE (10-3) 388 23
21. TCU (11-2) 339 24
22. OREGON ST (10-4) 206 25
23. TENNESSEE (9-4) 202 18
24. HAWAII (11-3) 152 NR
25. PENN ST (9-4) 142 NR
Others Receiving Votes: GEORGIA 133, NEBRASKA 43, TEXAS A&M 29, GEORGIA TECH 19, SOUTH CAROLINA 17, HOUSTON 8, MARYLAND 7, TEXAS TECH 2, KENTUCKY 1.
Master Coaches Poll
1. Florida (16)
2. LSU
3. USC
4. Ohio State
5. Wisconsin
6. Louisville
7. Boise State
8. Michigan
9. Auburn
10. West Virginia
11. Rutgers
12. Arkansas
13. Texas
14. Oklahoma
15. BYU
16. California
17. Wake Forest
18. Virginia Tech
19. Georgia
20. Notre Dame
21. Boston College
22. Tennessee
23. Nebraska
24. Penn State
25. TCU
Comments:
Jim said:
posted on January 9, 2007 10:04 AM — 68.87.100.242 — link — abuse?
I agree with FanoftheGame, we need a playoff. I am a WV fan and I think the Mountaineers could play with anyone but I don't think they could win the war of attrition that a 16 team playoff would be, they just aren't deep enough, their showing against GaTech in the Gator without Slaton showed that, but I would still love to see it.
It is hard for me to understand why it isn't here, the big money teams that rule college football are the teams that are usually deep enough to withstand such a grueling playoff system. It would take a very deep team like the ones that come out of the SEC or Big 10, USC, Texas but that is what it is all about, show me the best team.
Teams like Boise St would wither under such a system, sure they may beat anybody in a 16 team field but what happens the week after that.
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on January 9, 2007 10:25 AM — 67.97.209.35 — link — abuse?
Hey Fan, I'm with you on that one. Normally I would put the loser of the BCS championship game at #2 in the final polls, but I think at least three teams (LSU, USC, and Boise State) looked much better than OSU in their bowl games. Louisville and Wisconsin also looked very good. The time has come for a playoff.
badgerballer said:
posted on January 9, 2007 10:51 AM — 63.231.101.217 — link — abuse?
The Wisconsin disrespect train continues to roll. I can see it coming on the horizon. Based on the AP poll above I predict that Wisconsin, will be the only team to have won its bowl game, but move backwards in the BCS poll. While other teams will leap over us, b/c they beat their 'worthy' BCS opponent...(read: Wake Forest, Norte Dame). This system blows.
Andrew R said:
posted on January 9, 2007 11:03 AM — 67.78.225.28 — link — abuse?
Unfortunatly, the NCAA won't even think of a playoff system until 2010. They have too much to loose. Fox has a $320 million deal to air the BcS Bowls until 2010. So we are stuck with at least another 3 to 4 years of BcS BS. In my mind they have only gotten it right once, last year's Texas USC game. Not a very good track record for the BcS.
posted on January 9, 2007 12:46 PM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?War Eagle Atlanta said:
It's funny how Auburn stayed ranked #9 in the AP poll despite winning their bowl game and being the only team to knock off the national champs.
Talk to the hand, though. That's all you can do until we get a playoff.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 9, 2007 12:48 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
Jim:
It's good to see another fan put what is best for college football ahead of everything else, including you own team. Delany is the biggest road block standing between college football and a playoff system. Delany, himself, admitted that a playoff system may ultimately be best for college football and the potential for even more revenue exists. But according to Delany, the demand for a playoff hasn't been high enough to constitute a change from the bcs system. As well, there are several Universities that probably benefit more from the current system. For example; If you are a member of a BCS conference and are a perrenial power who is always in the hunt for a conference championship, then this equates to being in the running every year for a BCS bowl and/or National Championship. I am taking nothing away from a very good USC Trojan program(perhaps the best in the country over the past several years),but given the fact that they have dominated the PAC10 for a few years now, that guarantees them a BCS birth. The same can be said for the Big10. Ohio State, Michigan and Wisconsin are 3 teams that are always in the hunt for the Big 10 title. Winning that conference helps guarantee a BCS game as well. The Big 12 has been dominated by Texas and Oklahoma, thus a BCS birth. The SEC for example, is up for grabs between several good teams. Whereas, Texas' only real challenge for a BCS spot is Oklahoma, and Ohio State/Michigan/Wisconsin are in a 3 team run-off, and USC need only get by the biggest challenger in the PAC10 for a BCS game, The SEC seems to have more hurdles to overcome to land the big game. The road to the BCS is alot easier for some schools. I can see where Texas, Oklahoma, USC, Ohio State, Michigan and Wisconsin would rather keep the BCS in place because it is the easiest route for them to get a BCS game. The "war of attrition" as it were is something that the SEC plays through every year or though it seems. Even the ACC and Big East had similar "war of attrition" conference games. I'm not saying that any one BCS conference is always better than another, but landing a BCS game is easier to do in some BCS confernces. This in no way says that a team doesn't deserve the BCS game it gets. The BCS schools that challenge for there conference championships may rotate somewhat from year to year (like Texas being left out of the Big12 title game this year). I still have the think Texas likes their odds of winning the Big 12 and getting another shot at a BCS title game over trying to wade through a playoff system of great teams. For teams like Texas and possibly even USC, a playoff would create at least 2 to 3 games that are as tough or tougher than any game they've had to play that year. Whereas a Florida team like this years will have played as many tough conference games as they are likely to face on a playoff. A plyoff may actually benefit an SEC team more than any other due to the fact that every year the SEC champion is one that has allready won a similar "war of attrition". I agree with the arguement that a playoff would breed unlikely upsets from "cinderella" type teams that manage to defeat seemingly better opposition, leaving a potentially better team to go home early. However, if you are a team that gets upset by a lesser team, then you probably don't deserve to play for the Championship anyway. A lot was made out of the fact that Michigan deserved to play Ohio State in a Big10 rematch for the NC. The way everything played out in the BCS Bowls, it appears that an SEC matchup between Florida and LSU might have been the best game to watch. I am a huge Pete Carroll fan, but USC's failure to deliver against UCLA and Oregon State during conference play, doesn't give them any rights to a championship game. Allthough, I firmly believe that the Trojans can beat anyone in the country on a given day. Perhaps a USC versus Boise State game in the Rose bowl would have been one to silence the Boise contingents claim for a national title shot. Who knows? We never will. At lease not in the Rose Bowl. For whatever reason (in keeping with his own personal agenda) Delany has a BCS agreement with the Rose Bowl to never allow a NON-BCS team like Boise State the chance to play in the Rose Bowl. Again, the BCS is pre-determining who can and can't compete for their Bowls each year. As if Notre Ame's exception to all BCS rules wasn't enough. The true course of action to institute a playoff system may not lie in the fans ability to convince the BCS to step aside, but rather to go around the BCS powers. We as fans who want the playoff, would probably be better served to write our congressmen and demand federal legislation to implement a playoff. I know it sounds a little far fetched, but believe it or not, Delany and his buddies created the BCS title game this year to put off possible legislation. Delany knows that his biggest and most dangerous foe to the BCS is federal legislation. We may not have to wait til 2010 for a playoff after all.Jim said:
posted on January 9, 2007 12:51 PM — 68.87.100.242 — link — abuse?
Post #9
Lee, Big East fans know the SEC is deep and I don't think many Big East fans dislike the SEC, the same can not be said of the ACC.
The ACC left the Big East for dead 3 years ago, now the top 3 in the Big East finished ahead of any team from the ACC, the ACC champ the last 2 years has the ACC in jeopardy of losing their automatic BCS bid because they have failed to finish in the top 12 2 years in a row, if it happens 4 years in a row you get reviewed, that may not be a rule anymore but it used to be.
Big East fans like to rub that one in a little because everyone knows that FSU and Miami will be back but right now it is our right.
Down with the All Criminals Conference.
Tomcat said:
posted on January 9, 2007 1:10 PM — 70.245.204.255 — link — abuse?
#1 Fanofthegame I tend to agree with your comments.I honestly beleive that Boise St should be ranked higher than Ohio State.I really dont understand why Oklahoma is ranked above Texas.
Texas beat Oklahoma 28-10 on a neutral site while Peterson was healthy.Oklahoma is always overated. They lost to Oregon a team that was hammered by BYU.We also watched them lose to A&M, sorry sooners only won on the scoreboard and not on the feild.Then they lose to Boise St.They should be ranked below TCU and slightly ahead of A&M. Hookem-Horns OU-SuxFanoftheGame said:
posted on January 9, 2007 1:29 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
Tomcat:
Personally, I think you might as well just group the top teams of the Big12 together. Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and A&M all had rollercoaster seasons. Not to say the talent level isn't as high as anywhere else in the country, because it definately is there. However, the youth of these teams tuened out to be the deciding factor in many of the Big12 matchups. The youth of the Big12 is probably what made the Big12 weaker this year compared to previous seasons. There were alot of freshmen and sophomore key players being asked to get a job done that is usually reserved for more experienced players. The flip side is that all the youth and inexperience that led many of the Big12 teams this year will be back next season. With more experience under their belts, teams like Texas and even A&M should prove to build on last season and get the Big12 back in the national spotlight. Perhaps the Big12 isn't rebuilding after all, but rather RELOADING for another run at the NC.
irish eyes a' cryin' said:
posted on January 9, 2007 1:40 PM — 64.193.88.5 — link — abuse?
Tomcat,
did you actually watch any of the football games or did you just pick up a paper and read the scores? Everyone knows that Oklahoma was cheated by the refs in the Oregon game! I'm not a Sooner fan but,I feel that they played a tough enough schedule to be ranked as high as they are. As a Notre Ame( no "D" in south bend) fan I am envious of the talent they had on that defense! They simple got out smarted in the Fiesta bowl!Tom Blogical said:
posted on January 9, 2007 1:48 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse?
C-DOGG (#6):
Nice hedging. If pigs had wings, they "could" fly, too. ;-) (I'm just needling you a little.)
All those teams "could" have beaten Ohio State on a neutral field. However, the flipside is also true. We'll never know that unless they play.I will be the first to say that Flordia manhandled Ohio State last night and said so in the open thread last night. I also say due to the results, Florida is the National Champion, and congrats to the Gators. But the possiblity exists that OSU also had their bad outing for the year. A playoff tests a team more than once. Please don't try to tell me it diminishes the regular season, people. I firmly believe that the regular season will determine whether you get to be in the playoffs and the seed you receive as a result.
College Football needs a playoff system. The system in place now is inherently flawed, and will never work properly. The biggest problem College Football has now is Big 10(11) pres. Jim Delany and the contracts he and the other Presidents negotiated while creating the BCS. I think a playoff system improves College Football as a whole. Delany was in the playoff camp when it was beneficial for him to do so, now he's not in the playoff camp because it's not beneficial for him to do so. Looks like the Big 10(11) will have to suffer some down years on the field and take some hits in the pocket book before a playoff comes about. So be it.
And that's my 2 cents.
Jim said:
posted on January 9, 2007 2:15 PM — 68.87.100.242 — link — abuse?
#13 Tom Blogical
Great post, when all this started it was without the PAC-10 Big 10 and Rose Bowl, didn't Delaney say it was good for college football for the 3 to get into the BCS in '98, translation it was good for them because they could care less about everyone else.
Isn't it time to go without them into a playoff, they would not stay out very long. A playoff without them would leave the Big 10, PAC 10 and Rose Bowl irrelevant, just like it was pre-98. Then Delaney could again declare what a great thing it is for college football for those 3 to be involved. We may not get the true national champion for a couple of years but even Delaney would cave under the pressure of his teams not being involved.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 9, 2007 2:17 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Makes me gag that these same morons who put Ohio State into the NC games, still can't understand, that just because they only got one loss that they suck! That one loss was way worse than LSU's two losses or USC two losses. It does matter how you lose. It's a slap in the face of all of college football to want to sit here and still pretend that Ohio State is the 2nd best team. They clearly are not. Michigan finishes up at 8 and 9 and Ohio State beats them by three on their home field. Clearly, they are not much better than Michigan is. It all really doesn't matter, but in light of the foolish voting practices of most of these morons, I'm gonna have to change my way of thinking to want to include a playoff. I have stood firm against this idea, but when these idiots still think that Ohio State is all that, then we have to have a change. Is Notre Dame still in the Top Ten? I just looked - 17 & 19. What a joke?
Tommie T
Tom Blogical said:
posted on January 9, 2007 2:40 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse?
Tommie Trojan:
Great point. I've been trying to summarize all the problems inherent in the B(C)S on my blog, and I'm telling you, it's difficult to include all the problems. You point out another one. If we're given the BCS to use as a barometer, how the hell, after watching the game last night, is Ohio State number 2? I'm an OSU fan, and there is no way in my mind they're the number two team in the nation. If this is in the regular season, they drop at least 5-7 spots. At least.
Tom Blogical said:
posted on January 9, 2007 3:10 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse?
Jim:
I hear what you're saying. The problem is, according to the article I linked to, Delany foresaw that possibility.
"The Rose Bowl TV contract is negotiated separately from the rest of the BCS contract, which gives the Big Ten, Pac-10 and Rose Bowl valuable leverage if they oppose a move by the other BCS partners such as the adoption of a playoff."
Also, Delany has
"...frustrated the likes of DeLoss Dodds, athletic director at the University of Texas who fought for a playoff for 10 years. He finally abandoned his efforts in part because of Delany. Dodds said it became increasingly clear that the alliance of the Big Ten, Pac-10 and Rose Bowl would block his efforts or any others to implement the playoff."
Read the whole thing. It's very interesting.
Tomcat said:
posted on January 9, 2007 3:44 PM — 70.245.204.255 — link — abuse?
#16 irisheyes Yes I watched them and they got beat.In CFB you have to beat the opponents and the refs,enough said.We had injured players and bad calls as well and you didnt hear our coaching staff bitching and whining.
Hookem-Horns-OU suxalb said:
posted on January 9, 2007 4:20 PM — 72.147.182.10 — link — abuse?
Louisville got shafted in the AP and Coaches final Poll. The Big East was 6&0 in their bowl games. Obviously, WVU, Rutgers and Louisville were very good teams and the conference was strong. However, Louisville was not ranked in the top 5 after the Orange Bowl. They beat the team they were scheduled to play (What else could they do the SEC powers that be did not want to upset the apple cart and possibly lose to a Big East team). If anything the Big 10 was over rated Ohio State and Mich. both took it on the chin in the BCS. Michigan lost to USC who lost to UCL. USC does not belong in the top 5 with 2 loses to teams outside of the top 15. If Louisville went against LSU they would have beat them. However, ND (a joke) was able to play in the sugar bowl and helped support LSU @ 11&2 be ahead of Louisville @ 12&1. Please note that there are far more SEC coaches voting for their teams than Big East coaches voting for their teams. The fact that everyone is voting is a joke. This needs to be settled on the field.
Jack Durie said:
posted on January 9, 2007 4:41 PM — 68.204.199.143 — link — abuse?
Those who advocate a playoff system are missing the point. One of the major benefits or purposes of sporting events is to provide entertainment. A whole season and the bowl system provides plenty of entertainment, and the bowl results give fans something to argue about. A playoff would not really solve anything, as a single game does not prove much, which is why professional baseball and basketball play multiple games. I think the NCAA basketball tournament should at least have a double elimination system so as to overcome a situation where an inferior team beats a much better team, where the inferior team has an exceptional game and the superior team has an off game. It is interesting that now that Florida beat the stuffings out of Ohio State that Coach Meyer is singing a different tune, saying that he now would have no interest in playing another game. Leave everything as it is and just try hard to do the best that can be done with good bowl matchups, and then enjoy the entertainment, and the healthy arguments that always follow.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 9, 2007 4:58 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
We can all make our cases for who we think deserves to be ranked where. And in doing so, we will use the same conventional wisdom that has led us here in the first place.
Most of us defend our own rankings, because we honestly believe, in our heart of hearts, that we're right. We replay different scenarios of hypothetical match-ups, give our favorite teams the benefit of the doubt, and let conventional wisdom rule over all else...............
.....And that's probably where we go wrong."Conventional Wisdom" isn't always right! As a matter of fact, it seems to almost always be wrong when it matters the most.
Example; Conventional wisdom says that USC beats both Oregon State and UCLA. Because USC lost these games it was left out of the BCS NC game. Conventional Wisdom also said that Florida didn't have a chance against Ohio State, but that proved not to be the case at all. Conventional wisdom also said that Boise State couldn't beat an even overrated Oklahoma team. Wrong again!If anything, our use of conventional wisdom to assume that one team would definately beat another team when it mattered most, is ridiculous. Just ask the Minnesota fans who started celbrating at half time, only to have their party ended early as their Golden Gophers suffered the largest collapse in bowl history.
Yeah, I think I'm going to start siding with "Un-conventional Wisdom", when it matters most.
PopsMich said:
posted on January 9, 2007 5:04 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Sober Assessment: Final
The Bowl games settled the matter of all postings and speculation for 2006.Measuring the top 25 all year was completely misguided by false perception. In the end, the Big 10 (Big 2?) teams were inaccurately measured against each other and OOC opponents. Why? Because the opposition they were measured against were even weaker (ND and Texas OOC). Strangely, the voters got it right (but only by coincidence).
The Bowl games gave us the answers, whether we like the results or not:
The top of the SEC and PAC 10 are very strong, and the top of the Big 10 is a notch below (and were overrated). However, the next tier of the Big 10 was very good, beating Arkansas (SEC West Champ) and Tennessee.The depth below the 2nd tier in the SEC is easily best, compared to the Big 10 and PAC 10.
The Big East is very good at the top, but the 2nd tier down isn't much. The same can be said for the WAC and Mountain West. The Big East needs more depth to be compared with the SEC, PAC 10 and Big 10.
The Big 12 and ACC were easily the weakest conferences. There is no reason why a No. 3 (in the Big 12) Texas team should struggle against a 9th place Big 10 team (Iowa). Oklahoma losing to Boise St. was more about Big 12 weakness than Boise's strength.
Lastly, ...and you've all heard it before...."Defense wins Championships"
What USC and UF did was awesome in their display of speed and skill on defense. In the end, theirs was best, despite all the hype about OSU and UM of the Big 10.
Congratulations UF on your 2nd NC. Take some time and celebrate. USC, UM and LSU are waiting, but for now its all about you.
Dog said:
posted on January 9, 2007 5:26 PM — 66.89.75.42 — link — abuse?
Florida had a great game against Ohio State, and nobody can take that away from the Gators. However, one must remember the Gators were playing at the top of their game, and Ohio State was not, unfortunately for OSU>
The now #1 team in the country beat Tennessee by one point, and Penn State (barely ranked in the top 25) beat the same team by 10 points. Obviously, if the Gators played a hot OSU team (as hot as OSU played Michigan) and they performed at the same level they did in the Tennessee game, they would not have beaten OSU.
OSU suffered by having 51 days off and having people tell them they were #1. The also suffered by losing Ginn on the first play (due to end zone celebration), because that took away a big threat OSU would have liked to see on the field. By losing Ginn, the Gators were able to spend more time rushing the QB, which they did successfully.
Cant wait for September 2007 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 5:43 PM — 204.87.63.254 — link — abuse?
Based on what we have seen in the bowl games, the list should have been:
1. FLORIDA (13-1)(any questions?)
2. BOISE ST (13-0)(whom did they lose to?)
3. USC (11-2)(their only problem is in-conference)
4. LSU (11-2)
5. OHIO ST (12-1) (cannot hang with USC and LSU)
6. LOUISVILLE (12-1)
7. MICHIGAN (11-2)
8. WISCONSIN (12-1)
9. AUBURN (11-2)
10. WEST VIRGINIA (11-2)
11. CALIFORNIA (10-3)
12. RUTGERS (11-2)
13. ARKANSAS (10-4) (should be able to handle any Big 12 team)
14. BYU (11-2)
15. OKLAHOMA (11-3) (its QB plays for the other team)
16. TEXAS (10-3) (where the talent and coaching after Vince?)
17. WAKE FOREST (11-3)
18. BOSTON COLLEGE (10-3)
19. VIRGINIA TECH (10-3)
20. TCU (11-2)
21. OREGON ST (10-4)
22. NOTRE DAME (10-3)
23. PENN ST (9-4)
24. TENNESSEE (9-4)
25. GEORGIA (9-4)
SoonerTaft said:
posted on January 9, 2007 6:02 PM — 69.154.31.66 — link — abuse?
Grow up Tomcat, you know if what happened to OU at Oregon happened to your team, everyone would have bitched and whined too. We got outplayed and outsmarted and were over-hyped versus Boise State and thats a fact. We got beat by texass, (not smoked, not to mention we had 10-7 lead at half). And we got screwed by Oregon. And we did NOT get beat by A&M, I was there and as crazy as the place is, winning there by one point is like winning by 14 anywhere else. Oh and A&M simply got outcoached. Why the hell wouldnt you go for 4 and 1 with J-train if he's been working all game.
buckeyetater said:
posted on January 9, 2007 8:19 PM — 76.214.173.83 — link — abuse?
I am a Buckeye Fan. I have been since I was old enough to walk. I am reading all this garabage about how Louisville would beat LSU and how USC shouldn't be where they are in the rankings.Never mind all the crapola we (all college football fans) have to put up with in the yearly media love affair with ND. The only thing we need to figure out for sure is at the end of the regular season Who is really #1 and who is #2. As a Buckeye fan I was truly heartbroken at watching my guys play like they did last night. It is why they play the game. I explained to my 8 year old son that was also heartbroken"You can't always win them all" As a Buckeye Fan I am sick and tired of the Big 10 getting zero respect. From now on I am going to make it a point to care less about this BCS Horse%$#$# After attending the game on Nov 18th @ THE SHOE this year I don't care if we end up in the championship game. My interest will end with the greatest rivalry in College Sports OSU vs TSUN that stands for the state up north for all you southern folk. Im sure it would have taken you the rest of your lives to figure those initials out. Oh by the way What a great interviews from the Florida players last night after the game. Such a wonderful grasp of the english language. With all the business of players college wanting to be paid I am just about sick and tired of the Sporting World all together.There is no argument to have about who would beat who. Any one of the teams in the top 10 and even in the top 25 could beat any other team in the top 25 on any given day. Last night was the worst showing I have ever seen from a Buckeye team. They lost so they are not #1 in the country. In the Country Huh that pretty much sums it up. If you are not #1 in this country then nothing else is good enough. So Florida is #1 and the rest of all the college teams in the country are #2 who cares in which order after #1 Enough said I guess. I will look forward to next year when we travel to the big house to play TSUN. Disappointed you bet. But I am sure proud of coach Tressel and MY BUCKEYES
AUtigerman said:
posted on January 9, 2007 8:20 PM — 68.1.32.21 — link — abuse?
Tommie T
I know i mentioned it before and you didnt believe me but check this out. 2004 BCS final championship standings USC#1 Oklahoma#2 Auburn #3.
Easily the worst case of BCS bias and a total insult after USC humiliated Oklahoma.But to see Ohio State still ranked #2 dosent surprise any Auburn fan. www.collegefootballpoll.com/2004_archive_bcs.htmlbuckeyetater said:
posted on January 9, 2007 8:58 PM — 76.214.173.83 — link — abuse?
Hey Football God.
You have got to be the most ignorant fan I have ever heard spew forth an opinion. Auburns record should have been 9-4??? well it wasn't. Your opinions are just like saying if we would have scored more point than the other guys we would have won. Did you ride the short bus to school. I bet you are missing more teeth than my beloved Buckeyes scored points last night. By your opinion the National Champion Ohio State Buckeyes 2002 should have been 7 and 7 since they had so many nail biting games. But they wern't 7 and 7 they were national champs. Football God my ass. You most likely belong in the Special Olympics. I bet you have a really huge head to make up for your lack of teeth. Buckeye fans could say if we don't lose Ginn Jr. in the first minute of the game we would have won but we did lose him and we did not win. What color is the sky in your special world fruitcake. Enjoy the swamp its where you belongclemson1981 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 8:59 PM — 74.226.219.7 — link — abuse?
CC Rutgers:
hey man, i totaly agree, USF is a sleeping giant down there, and i agree they will awake next year, and not knockin you guys heres what i think the big e standing nxt year at season end will be (no records cnt look at that yet):
1: West Va
2. USF
3. Rutgers
4: Louisville (only because of the losses they have right now they will be back)also i think its odd how i always seem to agree with you AUBURN fans, you guys always seem to have it together!! thank god!! i guess its a tiger thing,
GO TIGERS!!! AU and CUTommie Trojan said:
posted on January 9, 2007 9:25 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
AUtigerman:
I wasn't aware of that. I do know that all the computers had Auburn #2 at the end. That just proves my point even more - how could human voters vote that pathetic Oklahoma team ahead of Auburn after that beatdown? And, Auburn was unbeaten. How stupid is that? No, most idiots, will not even admit to themselves when they are wrong. They just stick with it. I pick Ohio State to win the game, and feel like an idiot (that's two in a row I missed), but was fortunate enough to like Florida and the points. So, was pretty happy to see Florida beat the crap outta Ohio State. But, I am just amazed at how all these voters only hold on to least amount of losses. That is total nonsense. I am really beginning to side with the SEC on this issue. It was proved that a one-loss SEC Champion can pound an undefeated team. Undefeated does not mean too much to me these days. I've noticed that with intense competition week in and week out - you will probably lose one somewhere along the line. You might lose two, like LSU did, and still be one of the very best. I guarantee, that either LSU or USC, would beat Ohio State like a drum. I see a very "upper midwest" voting conspiracy that always wants their teams to be ranked real high. I still can't get over the shock that Notre Dame is still in the Top 20. I'm astonished. How many times does that crappy team have to be destroyed? I don't get it.
Tommie T
AUtigerman said:
posted on January 9, 2007 9:34 PM — 68.1.32.21 — link — abuse?
post 36
I wont even address you by your self proclaimed name.I suppose you had to use vulgarity to try and get a rise. Did anyone tell you Auburn beat Florida.If you want to talk about close games to unranked opponents you dont need to look any further then your own back yard. 6 points to vandy,1 point to SC come on,if not for your 6-7 player blocking that field goal your an also ran.If you were a true SEC fan youd know that even a 1 point victory is still a victory and youd give Auburn there do since you were actually out played that night. First half was close second half you were completly out played on defence.You probably also owe Auburn a little respect anyway because if in 2004 we werent screwed out of The BCS championship game voters probably would have left the SEC down and out again.Football God said:
posted on January 9, 2007 9:36 PM — 68.63.21.182 — link — abuse?
TOMMIE T., AUBURN WAS #3 IN THE FINAL BCS RANKINGS IN 2004. SOUTHERN CAL WAS #1 WITH .9840, OKLAHOMA #2 WITH.9575, AND AUBURN WITH .9385. CHECK OUT THE LINK : http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/2004_archive_bcs.html
irish eyes a' cryin' said:
posted on January 9, 2007 9:48 PM — 70.106.33.221 — link — abuse?
buckeyetater,
#34, Boy somebody needs a hug! Ok, wipe those tears of self pity away and let's get back to reality. First, in the past 10years I have not heard one sports commentator, analyist, or journalist(outside of southbend and NBC) say one good word about anyone or anything regarding ND football(see Mark May aka whinny douche-bag for espn). Not that there has been much to say that's good. But the media definitely isn't in love with ND.Secondly, you said the Big 10 gets zero respect. Wasn't OSU and Michigan #1 respectively through the majority of the season? Didn't Michigan, OSU and Wisconsin ALL play in BCS games?How about this for no respect:Quinn throws for more touchdowns, more yards,fewer ints than Troy " Gators best friend" Smith and he ends up third in the balloting for the heisman.But I guess when Brady Quinn goes top ten in the draft and Troy Smith is sitting in his seat until the second or third round of the draft that Heisman won't look so good! But hey, atleast your team has won bowl games in the last ten years( one last year against us!) So cheer up buckaroo! I'm the one who should be cryin'.AUtigerman said:
posted on January 9, 2007 9:53 PM — 68.1.32.21 — link — abuse?
Hey cant wait
Pretty good prediction but i really have to disagree with the Boise State call.If we as fans are going to be have to pick the best teams based on the fact that there is no playoff.Then we must reward the teams that play the toughest schedules.Not to take anything away from Boise State.I enjoyed watching them.But based on just watching them and not seeing them play the toughest competion, no way can i put them ahead of Florida,USC or LSU.Based on what i saw yesterday i would put them ahead of Ohio State.But my gut feeling is that if there were a playoff they wouldnt win another game.Other teams are just too deep.clemson1981 said:
posted on January 9, 2007 9:53 PM — 74.226.219.7 — link — abuse?
Tommie T:
i do not think we have ever had the chance to talk on here ever since i found out about it, but right now ill start, the last sentence of your last post (37) or a the last couple of sentences, Notre Dame get into the top 20 for a reason, they are notre dame, voters know that if ND stays up in there people will watch to see if they are knocked off, and you cant convince me NBC does not have a little money under the table for the voters that way ND will look like they are on top, and as irish jt always say all that money they get from bcs games how do they put it to use? sure as hell aint going to there stadium, have you been there lately?PopsMich said:
posted on January 9, 2007 10:04 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
TT: I don't think OSU getting stomped is that much of a surprise. Somewhere in this Blog I said UM and OSU were unknowns. Specifically, that OSU's opponents in aggregate were only 3 or 4 games over .500, and that includes Michigan at 11-1 (at that time). Quite simply, they were untested, which we knew after USC stomped ND before bowl season.
That said, OSU at No. 2 in the final rankings is a joke! Clearly LSU and USC should be rated higher, regardless of OSU having only 1 loss .vs 2 for LSU and USC.
The best of the Big 10 (all 3 of them) are a notch below the very best teams of 2006. However, they are solid teams. Clearly, the best of the SEC (UF and LSU) and PAC 10 (probably including Cal) were better in 2006 than the Big 10's best.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 9, 2007 10:51 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Here a final composite of the five computer polls that finished up. Anderson/Hester has not released a final computer poll yet.
The consensus:
1.) Florida
2.) Ohio State (I can't believe this)
3.) Louisville
U.S.C.
5.) Boise State
L.S.U.
7.) Michigan
8.) Wisconsin
9.) Auburn
10.) West Virginia
11.) Rutgers
12.) California
13.) Notre Dame (Clemson1981 - you're right)The most accurate poll in my opinion - remains the Sagarin Rating.
It lists:
1.) Florida
2.) U.S.C.
3.) L.S.U.
4.) Ohio State
5.) Louisville
6.) Boise State
7.) Michigan
8.) California
9.) Wisconsin
10.) West Virginia
11.) Auburn
12.) Rutgers
13.) B.Y.U.
21.) Notre DameThis is Notre Dame's lowest rating. So clearly, Mr. Jeff Sagarin is not on Notre Dame's payroll. He's got Ohio State and Wisconsin downgraded somewhat. He has California higher - which they should be. The list actually looks more fair. Some of these jokers still have Notre Dame way too high. Billingsley has them #10 - while others have them at #13 or #14. Come on? Give me a break. Clemson1981 nailed this one on his Post #44. Clearly, there is a conspiracy to keep Notre Dame rated higher than they really ever are. I'll be amazed if Florida or USC can beat Notre Dame out for next year's pre-season #1 ranking. Hell, they were #2 entering this year - why not #1 for next year?
Tommie T
buckeyetater said:
posted on January 9, 2007 11:09 PM — 76.214.173.83 — link — abuse?
Irish Eyes are you offering me a hug. You are correct after the game last night I sure could have used one!I agree about Mr May and the fact that Mr Quinn should have a wonderful Pro career. I also wont argue the Troy will or should end up being some sort of Randle El or his pro career as a quarterback will be a short one. All I know for sure It was a blast to see him beat up on TSUN for the last three years. We will miss him. By the way my 8 year olds first game he ever went to was ND spring game when he was 3. It poured rain for the whole first half and he just sat there in his rain poncho and smiled ear to ear the whole time. I would be proud to have him play at ND and even better OSU. But I would rather him have his own cooking show before even thinking about TSUN. Thanks for the wake up call if I was whining a bit I am still in a bit of shock from being gator bit. I think I will ask my wife for the hug I need if she will speak to me. I haven't been the easiest guy to live with today. Good luck next year in South Bend no offense intended here.Oh and by the way RU Kiddin Me(46) the correct spelling is sure there is no h in the word. Jeeet yet NAwed jew. RU Kiddin me Foxworthy.And PopsMich OSU had to play 3 #1 vs #2 games this year. Like I said life lesson you can't win them all. Did they play the last game like a team ranked #45 in the country you bet. But we will see you for your next arse whipping at your house next year complements of Sweatervest.
buckeyetater said:
posted on January 9, 2007 11:43 PM — 76.214.173.83 — link — abuse?
Hey Tommie Trojan,
Your guys lost to a 4 loss team Oregon State and would have had your chance to hoist another National Champ trophy if you hadn't blown it losing to a 6 loss UCLA squad.So you beat TSUN so did we. So what is so hard to believe about OSU being #2 after losing to #2 Fla. after playing 3 #1 VS #2 games this year. After all once again who cares about #2 in this great country of ours NO ONE !!!
GatorFan Eric said:
posted on January 10, 2007 5:10 AM — 138.32.80.20 — link — abuse?
Hey buckeyetater,
Your not bitter are you? I cant believe you have an 8 year old son, your comments sound like an 8 year old wrote them. "YOUR BUCKEYES" lost so you find it necessary to talk crap about how our player talk, and about people from the south in general. Well those boys from the south that dont talk all that well, acourding to you, sure put one hell of an ass whippin on your "BELOVED BUCKEYES."
SEC CHAMPIONS
NATIONAL CHAMPIONS
GO GATORS!!!
TampaGator said:
posted on January 10, 2007 10:53 AM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
PopsMich/#29:
Thank you for the display of class.
After hearing for weeks from Michigan Fan about how UF didn't deserve to be in championship game, that Meyer "...cried his way in", etc., my esteem for Michigan Fan took quite a hit.
That was a shame, because I remember hanging out with Wolverines in Tampa before, during and after UM's win over Gators in Outback Bowl. Not a bad lot overall; a bit cocky, but that's to be expected (there's a fine line between confidence and arrogance--which was not crossed).
Anyway, for all her flaws, I love college football--and I'm not saying that just because we just won a NC; even when it appeared UF was going to get Auburned, I felt the same way.
No other sport or "league" evinces nearly as much passion...none!
AUtigerman said:
posted on January 10, 2007 11:52 AM — 129.61.46.16 — link — abuse?
Tommie T
Id agree that the sagarin ratings are closer then BCS however i cant put USC #2 id flip flop them with LSU based on LSU two losses compared to USC losses.(Strength of the teams they lost to and both on the road).Also Cal is way to high in that ranking 3 maybe 4 spots.I wouldnt have Cal in top 10 maybe 11.But they didnt ask me.IrishJT said:
posted on January 10, 2007 12:46 PM — 65.83.54.4 — link — abuse?
You gotta love a team that loses its last three games and still manages to be ranked in the top 15.
Yeah, there's no SEC sportswriter's bias at all. Arkansas dumps its last three games, including the SEC Championship Game and their bowl game, and manages to not drop hardly at all.
What a joke! You want proof...there it is. Tennessee shouldn't be ranked either.
Lee said:
posted on January 10, 2007 1:17 PM — 206.251.165.202 — link — abuse?
#52 & #53 IrishJT
Couple of things, 1. Arkansas was not the #2 team in the SEC they just happened to be in the championship game because only LSU beat them in the West and LSU lost in Gainsville to the NC Florida...2. The reason Arkansas is still rated is because they lost 3 close games to the #1,3 and either 5 or 7 depending on the poll whereas your lame team was absolutely destroyed by the only 3 good teams they played.
GatorMatt said:
posted on January 10, 2007 2:05 PM — 68.214.113.69 — link — abuse?
IrishJT,
Please stop commenting on anything. You lost all validity simply by trying to defend Notre Dame in earlier posts. Just admit that you root for a grossly overrated team, and maybe then people won't hate you so much. I bet it feels good to beat up on all those service academies and have the media declare their baby a "great team"
AU03 said:
posted on January 10, 2007 2:16 PM — 205.255.224.10 — link — abuse?
Wisconsin did not put a "beatin'" on anyone in a bowl this year- that was last year. They were lucky to get by Arkansas. Since Boise and USC beat higher ranked opponents (both impressive in their own ways), while Wisconsin struggled but pulled out a win that they were supposed to (if you go by rankings), two teams moved ahead of them and one (Michigan, whom they lost to) fell behind them.
You are quick to mention the "sportswriter bias," for the SEC, but what about those same sportswriters having ND #2 earlier this year?
Lastly, A ND fan is the LAST person who should be talking bad about the SEC now, given the Domers performance in the Sugar Bowl.
AU03 said:
posted on January 10, 2007 2:32 PM — 205.255.224.10 — link — abuse?
Tommie T (#39)
Auburn was 3rd in the Computer Polls going into the bowl games in the 2004 season. Oklahoma was actually AHEAD of USC in the Computer Polls prior to the Orange Bowl, so your point about the voters having the Sooners ahead of us makes no sense, since the computers had the Sooners ahead of Auburn AND USC- even your beloved Sagarin rankings had OU #1 prior to bowl games. Auburn was #3 in EVERY computer poll.
AUtigerman said:
posted on January 10, 2007 2:50 PM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
IrishJ T
Hate to tell you this irish JT but no way is Arkansas # 2 team in SEC. Regardless if they went to the game or not.First they didnt even play florida in regular season. Second they got beat by LSU.
Determining the SEC championship game isnt perfect but its better then determining the best independent or big east, big ten or pac ten champion. Notre Dame does win on the TV ratings generated bias poll.
If Arkansas is our # 2 team then who beat you our # 4 team? since Auburn beat LSU. Give it a rest. Your grasping at straws.CFB_CRZY said:
posted on January 10, 2007 3:32 PM — 72.165.136.4 — link — abuse?
C-DOGG Post #6,
I would like to thank you as the only person on this entire site that remembers Auburn beat Florida and by that has a chance against OSU when comparing competition. Auburn did not play well against 2 Teams this year. However that happens in SEC (even Florida admits to not playing well against Auburn). However Auburn's defense showed up in the second half of their bowl game and proved it could win in its own one dimensional style (not pretty, but got the "W")IrishJT said:
posted on January 10, 2007 4:20 PM — 65.83.54.4 — link — abuse?
What does ND v LSU have to do with Arkansas? Is that seriously your justification for Arkansas losing their last 3 games and STILL being ranked #15. That's it. Notre Dame lost!! That's it!! Wow. What a cunning development of logic that is.
Maybe y'all should grab your ankles, yank really hard and pull your heads out of your asses.
AUtigerman said:
posted on January 10, 2007 4:55 PM — 68.1.32.21 — link — abuse?
Irish JT
Want justification for being # 15. Lets see, They played the #1,#3,#4,#7,#9,and#25 team. All 4 of there loses came in close games with the exception of the first game of the season loss to USC. They have the # 3 rushing team in the nation and played in the toughest conference in football. Besides all that the rankings generally suck but i figure thats how they got there.AUtigerman said:
posted on January 10, 2007 5:17 PM — 68.1.32.21 — link — abuse?
Since i just dont feel like doing 25 teams ill give a run down of what i think should be the top 10 teams and order of finish
1.Florida
2.LSU
3.USC
4.Ohio State
5.Boise State
6.Louisville
7.Wisconsin
8.Auburn
9.West Virginia
10.Michigan
Lsu over USC simply based on the quality of teams lost to and both were road games.Boise state behind Ohio State because truthfully i dont smoke crack and id have to to think Ohio State wouldnt win that one.
I really think Florida did well and thanks to a weaker Arkansas schedule it allowed Arkansas to be in the SEC title game instead of a rematch with LSU. But i do fell they are by far the best two teams in the SEC and even the country.Wouldnt that have been a great matchup.Franko G said:
posted on January 10, 2007 5:20 PM — 70.171.12.221 — link — abuse?
Hey IrishJT,
Michigan 47- Notre Dame 21
USC 44- Notre Dame 24
LSU 41- Notre Dame 14Bahahaha! Get a life man, there's no way you can defend that. Notre Dame had three chances to earn respect this year, and they got absolutely obliterated in each game b/c yall have a pitiful defense.
Yet you come here picking a fight with people from the SEC??? That makes no sense whatsoever. The SEC won the National Title, won the most bowl games of any conference(w/ a record of 6-3), and had the most bowl eligible teams from any conference as well(9 bowl eligible teams!).
Honestly, check yourself man.
Reality Check for ND said:
posted on January 10, 2007 5:28 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
Arkansas being ranked 15th is nowhere near the travesty of ND being ranked in the top 25. A 9-4 Arkansas team is still superior to the Irish on any logical scale.
Why complain about another teams ranking when your own is lucky enough to be on the same list. Are we to assume that "HYPE" should be a key factor in determining a teams final ranking? If so, then we should have a 2006 Final HYPE Rankings. I'll go ahead and get the list started. At #1 we have...................Notre Dame! At #2 we have..........................Notre Dame, again! At #3......shall I continue?clemson1981 said:
posted on January 10, 2007 8:52 PM — 74.226.219.7 — link — abuse?
Franko G post 68:
couldnt agree more!!! im obviously an ACC guy and the only SEC team i pick a fight with is USC and for obvious reasons, to me nobody anywhere in this nation or around the world can say they or their conference is better then the SEC, national champs, 9 bowl invites, and a 6-3 record in bowls, not bad at all, but i have to correct you you did win the MOST bowls but the conference with the highest win % was the Big East, but still way better conference, so irish jt, get it right, and get it through your head dude, NOTRE DAME IS A HAS BEEN!!!buckeyetater said:
posted on January 10, 2007 9:14 PM — 76.214.173.83 — link — abuse?
Hey Gator Fan Eric,
buckeyetater here
I am not the least bit bitter. I was and still am extremely dissapointed in the way the Buckeyes played. I know and you know they are a much better team than whatever the hell that was that happened on monday night. As far as pokin fun at folks from the south I apologize. The loss was still fresh in my mind and smarted quite a bit. You guys are Champs and I am sure it feels pretty darn good for Gator fans. I am old enough to remember a couple Buckeye National Championships and you were correct I did sound rather chilish. I try and teach my son sportsmanship as I coach baseball and I was a poor sport in my cooments made against you fine folks down south. Hat's off to the Gators and apologies for any jackass southern slam comments I made. Lookin forward to the spring game already Buckeyetater
IRISH-THORN said:
posted on January 10, 2007 10:36 PM — 69.133.4.221 — link — abuse?
OHIO STATE, MICHIGAN AND NOTRE DAME GOT THEIR ARS HANDED TO THEM. PLAYING TENTATIVE AND NOT TO LOSE IS THE ACTION OF LOSERS. TILL ALL THREE LEARN TO PLAY TO WIN W/O FEAR THIS IS THEIR DESTINY, GOOD BUT NO CIGAR. YOU GOT TO HAVE HEART AND THAT IS WHAT BOISE STATE SHOWED THE NATION. FOR THE BIG THREE FROM THE MIDWEST, "PU" YOU STUNK UP THE PLACE.
IrishJT said:
posted on January 11, 2007 8:49 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Grab thine ankles!!!!!!!
I love how some of you now have Michigan, Ohio State and Notre Dame as these programs on the decline. They won 33 games combined this year. They only teams that any of the three lost to were ranked in the top 5!!!
Maybe some understanding of football isn't necessary to open your mouth and say something stupid, it's just I can't understand why it is done so frequently on a football blog! You'd think there were street corners where you idiots hail from.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 11, 2007 1:29 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
IrishJT:
I wouldn't say that Michigan is on a decline from last season. Actually, I think they'll probably be a better team next year, as will Wisconsin. I can't see as how Ohio State and Notre ame are going to be better next season, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that they are programs on the "decline".
Given their final rankings this year, I can't see as how anyone could see Ohio State and Notre ame improving on last seasons record with the key holes they both have to fill. I see them both has having to rebuild rather than their programs declining.
Given Notre ame's ranking of #17, and there probable failure to improve on last years record- I can't see them being ranked in the Top 20. It only makes sense.dethwing said:
posted on January 11, 2007 8:23 PM — 129.93.105.35 — link — abuse?
Tommie Trojan, I'm afraid you are incorect about Sagarin's rankings. You are looking at the left hand collumn, which uses point margin as part of its ranking, which is not allowed in the BCS.
The BCS uses the collumn marked "Elo-Chess"
And its ranking is:1. Florida
2. Boise St.
3. LSU
4. Wisconsin
5. USC
6. Louisville
7. Ohio St.
8. Auburn
9. Michigan
10. West VirginiaAnd ND is ranked 15th, which seems about right to me. Don't forget they had several good wins early in the year in Georgia Tech, Penn St, and UCLA.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 11, 2007 9:03 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
dethwing:
Astute observation there. I fully understand the Sagarin Ratings. I use "the Ratings". The ELO-Chess is used to reward any team that does not lose. The "Predictor" is pure power rankings. I prefer the cross between the ELO and Predictor - because I believe both to be important.
Florida for instance, won alot of close games, and therefore was Top Ranked in the ELO-Chess portion. Winning close games is important, and so is not losing, but Ohio State had not lost. The Predictor says that USC is the most powerful team - because they had several blowout wins and two close losses. The same could be said of LSU. So, I prefer the "Ratings" portion that combines the two. Thanx for your keen insight though. At least somebody is on the ball.Tommie T
IrishJT said:
posted on January 11, 2007 9:05 PM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
FrankoG,
Only a big meatball would make such ridiculous statements. Arkansas had its chance to prove it deserved to be ranked in the top 20 as well...and lost 4 times, not 3. They still managed to remain in the top 15, while the Irish who lost to #2, #2 and #3, are at 17.How'd that happen? Southern sportswriters...that's how. There can be no other justification or purpose. It's good to be right all of the time. It really is.
Franko...go eat some provolone and let the adults talk.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 11, 2007 9:27 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Well, Bowl season is finally over, and my last rankings are finally here. You'll all enjoy that they are THE LAST. Big winners in SOS were the SEC and Big East. The Big 10 and PAC 10 nosed dived somewhat. The MWC did well. Now, remember, the are only computer generated "Power Rankings" for the whole course of the season. It doesn't mean that Florida is not the best team. It only measures the "level of consistancy" that teams played at throughout the course of the season. If we ran one for the 2nd half of the season, my guess is that Florida woould have come out on top, and others would have fallen or risen accordingly. Maybe I'll run one of those next. How you finish the season is way more important than how you begin it anyway.
1.) L.S.U. (11-2)
2.) Louisville (12-1) -0.14
3.) Ohio State (12-1) -0.89
4.) U.S.C. (11-2) -1.03
5.) Florida (13-1) -2.53
6.) California (10-3) -5.34
7.) B.Y.U. (11-2) -5.36
8.) West Virginia (11-2) -5.42
9.) Michigan (11-2) -6.18
10.) Texas (10-3) -7.60
11.) Boise State (13-0) -7.80
12.) Clemson (8-5) -8.38
13.) Hawaii (11-3) -8.41
14.) Tennessee (9-4) -9.09
15.) Rutgers (11-2) -9.47
15.) Oklahoma (11-3) -9.47
17.) Virginia Tech (10-3) -9.93
18.) Auburn (11-2) -10.46
19.) Arkansas (10-4) -10.96
20.) Wisconsin (12-1) -11.18
21.) T.C.U. (11-2) -11.93
22.) Nebraska (9-5) -12.13
23.) South Carolina (8-5) -12.15
24.) Notre Dame (10-3) -13.19
25.) Boston College (10-3) -13.54
26.) Georgia (9-4) -13.79
27.) Oregon State (10-4) -14.48
28.) Penn State (9-4) -14.79
29.) U.C.L.A. (7-6) -14.95
30.) Pittsburgh (6-6) -14.97Like I said, biggest "risers" were in the SEC, Big East and MWC. Georgia jumped way up - as did Florida. Wisconsin stays down because the Big10 took a hard hit. Penn State also fell in these rankings because of the hard hit on the Big10 SOS ratings. Really weird, Tennessee rises, and Penn State falls. Go figure.
Tommie T
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 11, 2007 11:45 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
VOLPIMP:
Remember though, everytime a Tennessee opponent does well, the Vols stock goes up. Hell, Penn State did well and they were an opponent by now. California finished up real well. The Vols only lost to Florida by one - and Florida had the biggest jump of all. Most all of the SEC had a good rise, because of Bowl game production, thus increasing Tennessee's overall SOS significantly. Tennessee played a real tough schedule and benefitted from that at the end. There still a Top Team, with a great class coming in, and Ainge back at the controls next year. They could be right in the thick of things.
Tommie T
Mike wvu said:
posted on January 12, 2007 8:01 AM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
On all the South Florida posts. I've been told S. Florida is one of the largest D1 schools in attendance. Is their any weight in this? I also think they will replace Miami as the school pulling down in most in state high school prospects.
IRISH-THORN said:
posted on January 12, 2007 8:48 AM — 69.133.4.221 — link — abuse?
IRISH-JT, YOU SOUND LIKE THE FIRST MIKE OF "MIKE AND MIKE", A WHINNER AND A WIMP. "IT IS NICE TO BE ALWAYS RIGHT" STATEMENT IS ONE OF THE REASON WHY NOTRE DAME HATERS HAVE GOOD REASON TO HATE THE IRISH. A KNOW IT ALL SOPHMORE ATTIDUDE SHOWS YOU HAVE LOT TO LEARN AND A LONG WAY TO GO. READING AND UNDERSTANDING W/O SHOWING YOUR EMOTIONS AND BIAS IS SOMETHING YOU MIGHT TRY. THE BIG THREE FROM THE MIDWEST WILL CONTINUE BEING THE BIG THREE. HOWEVER TO BE #1 THEY MUST PLAY W/O FEAR AND A IN YOUR SHORTS DEFENSE LIKE THE SOUTHERN BRETHEN DO.
clemson1981 said:
posted on January 12, 2007 3:57 PM — 74.226.219.7 — link — abuse?
Irish JT post 77:
ok you stupid stuck up leprechaun, now if you want to start dissin the south you made a big mistake, you knwo why teams in the south are ranked so high all the time?? BECAUSE TEAMS IN THE SOUTH ARE THE BEST IN THE NATION!!! and you say ND lost games to 2 2 and 3 guess waht you also got BLOWN OUT in all of those games, arkansas might have lost more games then you but by a closer margin, now im a firm beliver a loss is a loss by 1 or 100 but now losses not only count its the amount of points you LOST BY, not just losses. now im not always right but till you bring some facts to the table here, i think its YOU that should be considered a child, and BY THE GREAT LORD ABOVE, WILL YOU PLEASE STOP WHINNING ALL THE TIME!!!! accept it dude NOTRE DAME IS A HAS BEEN!!!Mike wvu post 81:
i could not agree more about the second half of your statement, USF is a sleeping giant that will soon awake and people will realize how good they are, they are the future of college ball and i hope they do it!!!
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on January 12, 2007 6:03 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
irishjt,
"FrankoG,
Only a big meatball would make such ridiculous statements. Arkansas had its chance to prove it deserved to be ranked in the top 20 as well...and lost 4 times, not 3. They still managed to remain in the top 15, while the Irish who lost to #2, #2 and #3, are at 17.How'd that happen? Southern sportswriters...that's how. There can be no other justification or purpose. It's good to be right all of the time. It really is.
Franko...go eat some provolone and let the adults talk".
Has your mental anguish about notre dame being a "has been" finally caught up to you? (answer: sounds like it has)Arkansas would win by.... I'd say 16 points if the Razorbacks and notre dame played a game right this moment. There's just no other way around it.
If there is a child on this blog?....... It has to be you. Grow up little man.
IrishJT said:
posted on January 13, 2007 11:22 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Look...if you're going to justify Notre Dame's ranking, which I believe is accurate, then you have to admit that Arkansas is "over-ranked" at year's end! Most of you believe ND shouldn't even be in the top 20. So what logic do you grasp at to keep Arkansas...who lost its last three games...in the top 25. The only common opponent between the two was USC. If SC clobbered Notre Dame then they absolutely destroyed Arkansas (by 5 touchdowns). My point isn't to say that Arkansas is NOT a good team. I'm simply pointing out the bias of the AP voter towards southern teams, especially SEC teams.
Forget about where Notre Dame is ranked for the moment. Concentrate on where Arkansas is ranked. I think an honest appraisal will force you to conclude that Arkansas should not have finished in the top 25.
...and Notre Dame would beat the shit out of Arkansas.
IrishJT said:
posted on January 13, 2007 11:25 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
...by the way, on behalf of the best quarterback in college football (Brady Quinn), many thanks to the Florida Gators. Whatever currency Quinn may have lost against a very, very good LSU defense was worth seeing Troy Smith go from a second round pick to a 4th or 5th round pick (so says ESPN's Mel Kiper). Hopefully the Bears trade up for him and get rid of a terrible Florida alum in Rex Grossman. Oakland and Jamarcus are a perfect match...thuggy, dumb and poised for mediocrity.
Well done, Florida, well done.
TROY SMITH...GIVE THE HEISMAN BACK!!
john said:
posted on January 13, 2007 1:18 PM — 76.214.173.83 — link — abuse?
Irish JT,
Come on man. If Troy had to give the Heisman back(Which he most certainly does not) it sure wouldn't go to Brady Queer. This guy was able to beat absolutly NO ONE. Troy had a terrible game yes. And I am a true Buckeye Fan but in my opinion if Adrian Peterson stayed healthy he would have won the Heisman hands down. I don't even know why your guy showed up for the presentation this year ONCE AGAIN HE WAS ABLE TO WIN ZERO BIG GAMES. He will probably be a good pro after a couple years on the bench if he doesn't become an actor but B Q shouldn't be in the same room with THE TROPHY! Maybe WE (The Buckeyes) should put you(ND) back on our regular season schedule so we can embarrass your irish butts over and over again like we did back to back in the mid 90s. I really don't think we will see that happen though as it would be a certain check in the loss column each year for you overreated fakers. I just get a thrill out of knowing that AJ Hawk is sacking Brady Quinn's sister in a big way on a nightly basis. Did you forget the thumping we provided you last year in your sorry excuse for a bowl appearance with Troy Smith at the helm. I think you guys should start worrying about how to win a bowl game and less about who deserved what trophy! It amazes me that with the record Smith had a Ohio State that after one bad game (ONE) he is now considered trash to most folks that are not Buckeye fans. I hope he proves you all wrong. If not I think Coach Tressel Mr. Sweatervest to YOU has made quite a young man out of Troy Smith and he will do fine in life. You and Tommie Trojan are driving me nuts. You guys need to be on ESPN so I can hate you as much as there morons. You guys are a couple of real F.E.s
Buckeyetater
buckeyetater said:
posted on January 13, 2007 11:34 PM — 76.214.173.83 — link — abuse?
Irish JT
I have painfully read all of your post.
I don't know what sucked me into this message board. I have never posted a message on any message board in my life.
It sounds to me like everyone on this board would wish you would just go away.
I have also read from many here about who would beat who. The likes of Irish JTs prediction that ND would beat the shit out of Arkansas. How in the hell will we ever know who would beat who. The season is over and ND is not going to play Arkansas!
All I know for sure is that Florida beat my beloved Buckeyes in a big way and deserve to enjoy thier Championship. Great Game Guys !
So Irish JT shut your pie hole and cuddle up in your Brady Quinn PJs complete with little rubber non slip bottoms on the feet and take your opinions to bed with you.
As I mentioned I am new to all this. Tommie Trojan are you some kind of professional message board poster? It just seems to me that you are a guy that spends way to much time researching college football on the internet. I hope you are not wasting valuable work time unless you do this for a living or own your own business?
I suggest you either find a job or get back to work. This will be my last post on this silly ass thing. Go Buckeyes in 07/08 and to the Gator Fans Congratulations Great Game & Great Season !!!
Buckeyetater
IRISH-THORN said:
posted on January 14, 2007 12:34 AM — 69.133.4.221 — link — abuse?
BRIEF COMMENT ON OHIO STATE AND WHY THEY LOST. I DON'T FEEL IT WAS TROY SMITH FAULT, BUT I DO FEEL THAT TRESSEL AND HIS COACHES BLEW THE GAME. THEY SHOULD HAVE RUN THE BALL MORE. GOING FOR THAT 4TH DOWN ALSO OPEN THE GATES FOR TOTAL MOMENTUM GOING TO FLORIDA. THAT PLAY WILL NEVER BE IN OH ST PLAYBOOK AGAIN, OR TRESSEL WILL HAVE TO TURN IN HIS SWEATER VEST.
SEC fan said:
posted on January 14, 2007 5:48 PM — 64.91.19.8 — link — abuse?
Once again we see the domination by the South Eastern Conference. I hear USC fans on the radio talking about how tough the Pac Ten conference is. I here the Big Ten squalking about being in the toughset conference in the nation. (They must still be in the year 1861.) We're starting a new season of the hit show Survivor next fall. Tune in to your CBS stations for the all new season of Suvivor SEC Football. Whoever survives deserves a shot at the championship. NOBODYS TOUGHER
12 TEAMS-9 BOWL GAMES-TWO TOTAL DOMONATIONS UF AND LSU-FOUR OTHER WINS-THREE LOSES. The Pac Ten, Big Ten, or any other conference can't top that record. If ya can't play with tha big dawgs stay on the porch.ksuwild said:
posted on January 15, 2007 1:01 AM — 67.190.191.147 — link — abuse?
FanoftheGame,
You bring some refreshing thoughts to the playoff argument, especially post 11. I haven't read much about Delany but he sounds like a real piece of work to me. So he admits that a playoff is probably what's best for college football but "the demand isn't high enough".
WHAT PLANET DOES HE LIVE ON???
If he really believes a playoff is "probably" what's best for CF then why on earth would he be so adamant about blocking a playoff? That's sounds like some politician/lawyer smoke & mirrors BS to me.
I've got a thought to clue Delany in if anyone wants to relay the message for me.......go to ANY search engine and enter the words "College Football Playoffs" and you will find all the demand you want for playoffs in College Football.
Knowing his type, he would find a few articles(that bring up the same tired & desperate arguments that get pounded into the ground by reason)against a playoff, and would call it quits and feel justified doing so. People like him see what they want to see.......or are paid to $ee.
FanoftheGame.......I'm going to take you up on writing my Congressman and "demand" legislation to implement a Playoff for College Football. Someone should start a website that has a comprehensive fact sheet that exposes all of the MANY faults of the current system.....that you print, sign, and send in. We should figure out something, this BcS nonsense has got to change.
Tommie T(post 20),
Glad to see you changed your tune and decided to support a playoff. Willingness to change is a sign of true wisdom and i commend you for that.
buckeyetater(post 88 & all your other posts),
We're all on this site because we love the game and enjoy the debate of what if, and what could have or should have happened. If you don't like it, get off the site.......seriously, it's not for you. People who are passionate about CF like Tommie T are what this site is all about. You're obviously bitter that your buckeyes got embarrassed on national television. Move on and leave your put downs to yourself. Your comments are depressing. It's ok man, you'll be all right.
Here's a news flash for you buckeyetater, if you didn't care you wouldn't be reading or posting, would you? Take your own advise and make 88 your last post.
ranked said:
posted on January 15, 2007 4:48 PM — 209.159.228.36 — link — abuse?
Just about antone with some football savy, should realize that the Big 10 is Big in name only. Did they go down in flames at BCS showdown time or what? Their two best teams were taken apart easily, and would have enjoyed the same demise if they would have swapped opponents. Out west most believe that Boise State could have beaten the Big Two from the Big Ten.
PopsMich said:
posted on January 15, 2007 5:19 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
ranked, you're really feeling it after beating the lowly Big 12. Don't mistake us with them.
You're not USC. Lastly, don't be so sure about an SEC team beating Michigan, because that generally doesn't happen. It's Ohio St. that has the 1-8 record over the last 20 or so years vs the SEC, not Michigan. We're 7-3.
RUReady said:
posted on January 17, 2007 2:34 PM — 69.242.126.57 — link — abuse?
Congratulations to the SEC....a fine year again and a National Championship. How about a little respect for the Big East...we went 6-0 in bowl games, and will have four teams in the Top 15 next year...USF is ready to roar, and our Rutgers squad was one of the most over-looked teams in the Country and getting stronger. A playoff system is a must...it's the only was to determine the best team in the Country.
For all you Irish fans, it's finally time to admit, the dome had become tarnished....You would have six losses if you played an SEC schedule, and all four Big East teams, USF included, would have spanked your sorry, slow-footed squad. Past reputations can only take you so far. It seems NDU is more concerned with selling merchandise, than actually fielding a team deserving of it's over-inflated pre-season ranking.LAST POST said:
posted on January 18, 2007 7:41 PM — 72.240.178.0 — link — abuse?
Oh come lets sing Ohio's Praise
And songs to Alma Mater raise
While ours hearts rebounding thrill
With joy that death alone can still
Summers heat or winter's cold
The seasons pass the years will roll
Time and change will surely showHow firm thy friendship...OHIO!
There I feel better. No more bitterness.
See you all next year!Buckeyetater
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on January 18, 2007 11:07 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
RUReady, the Big East went 5-0 in Bowl games, not 6-0... Pay attention, "Rutgers ~fan~", if you want any credibility.
BTW, I like Schiano... even though he might plug-up the mini-pipeline that USC/Pete Carroll has tapped into in the New Jersey/New York area (Dwayne Jarrett, Brian Cushing, Antwine Perez)
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on January 18, 2007 11:32 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Irish TJ,
Think of just how Mediocre the Talent/Performance level was this year if "Troy Smith" was awared the Heisman by a landslide! Even in hindsight, the other contenders werent exactly Heisman material (relatively speaking).
And whats up with Big East teams' fans calling-out Notre Dame ??? This Rutgers fan over here says even South Florida woulda "spanked" Notre Dame.
... The highest Rated team that the Big East beat all season was Wake Forest... after that it was... Maryland? Kentucky? GTech?
*previous post*: asterisk on Perez, he transfered to Maryland.
RUReady said:
posted on January 23, 2007 6:13 AM — 69.242.126.57 — link — abuse?
Hey So Cal Clipper, You're right, my oversight, the Big East went 5-0. We can live with that. I actually thought USC had the best talent, and the best team in the country, but your squad wasn't up for two games and it cost you dearly. I think USC would beat both Ohio State and Florida in a head-to-head. I also think that Ohio State would win a best of seven against Florida, but they lost the one that counted....I think they went in expecting a power-on power contest like they face with Michigan every year, but got countered with speed and guile, fell behind, and fell apart.
Moot point to argue, but I think Notre Dame was the most over-rated team in the country last year, based on their performance and obvious deficiencies against Top Ten teams (I'm not a ND hater,) and Uni. of South Florida was the most under-rated.Woody213 said:
posted on February 4, 2007 4:31 AM — 74.138.30.113 — link — abuse?
Irish TJ,
I may not agree with your posts but I respect you sticking with your team even when they are not doing well and constantly getting bashed.
So Cal Clippers,
"Whats up with Big East teams' fans calling-out Notre Dame ???"
This is a hate that goes deeper than just football. You never here about ND and there basketball team and yet they are in the Big East in Basketball. That means they get to share in the conference moneys brought in. Yet the football team will always stay independant as they will not share that money with anyone. Being a Louisville fan and new to the Big East (2 years) I can see the argument. Either your in or your out in all sports. I don't blame ND for this but the powers that be running the Big East that need to drop ND from the Big East in all other sports or at least offer the school a choice. Come into the fold with all sports or leave the Big East completely. ND leaving the Big East in Basketball wouldn't hurt the conference even a little. That way there is no hard feelings.
badgerballer,
As you saw Wisc. was not the only school that dropped in the rankings even though they won. I am not trying to bash Wisc. by any means but I just wish they would have played a tuffer schedule. The coaches poll has Wisc. over Lousiville and probably 99% of the Wisc. fans feels that is correct. Yet because both teams didn't play you should have to take strength of schedule into count. If you do that Lousiville moves ahead. I also didn't agree with Boise gettting moved up past both Lousiville and Wisc. Oklahoma was over rated and ranked lower than both Wisc. and Lousiville. It took Luck, trick plays, and overtime for Boise to beat Oklohoma. Boise should have finished 7th not 5th.
My final poll and next years pre-season top 10:
1) Florida
2) LSU
3) USC
4) Louisville
5) Ohio st.
6) Wisc.
7) Boise st.
8) Michiagn
9) West Virginia
10)Auburn
11)Rutgers
12)Cal.
13)Texas
14)Ark.
15)Oklahoma
16)Wake Forest
17)BYU
18)Oregan st.
19)ND
20)VT
21)Penn st.
22)Georgia
23)Boston College
24)TCU
25)HawaiiPre-Season:
1)USC
2)Michigan
3)Florida
4)West Virginia
5)LSU
6)Louisville
7)Texas
8)Auburn
9)Penn st.
10)RutgersSo Cal Clippers said:
posted on February 8, 2007 10:01 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
--- Final Consensus Ratings (4/6), Top 40 ---
1. Florida
2. Ohio St
3. Boise St
4. Louie
5. LSU
6. USC
7. Michigan
8. Wiscy
9. Auburn
10. West VU11. Rutgers
12. Cal Berkeley
13. Notre Dame
14. Arkansas
15. Tenny
16. Oklahoma
17. Oregon St
18. Wake
19. BYU
20. Geo21. Penn St
22. VTech
23. Boston C
24. Texas
25. Kentucky
26. S Carol
27. Maryland
28. So Flo
29. TCU
30. Cincy31. Hawai'i
32. GTech
33. UCLA
34. aTm
35. Oregon
36. Nebraska
37. Arizona
38. Clemson
39. Washington St
40. Arizona St___________________________________
- Consensus Conference Ratings -
1. SEC (1.33)
2. BEast (2.17)
3. PAC (2.83)
4. BTEN (3.83)
5. ACC (5.17)
6. XII (5.67)
7. MtWest (7.5)
8. WAC (7.83)
9. USA (8.67)
10. MAC (10.0)
11. SBelt (11.0)
Tomcat said:
posted on February 9, 2007 3:10 PM — 70.248.27.7 — link — abuse?
#100 So-Cal Who's consensus? Did you and JTIrish have a conference.Its real easy to see the totally unbias at work.
#33 yes they were outcoached
#53 Do what? Arkasas beat Auburn
Tennessee beat California
ND fans should be proud that they were able to go to a BCS game.Yall had a purty good season at 10-3 with victories over GT,PSU and UCLA.Top 40 maybe.OU Fan said:
posted on February 10, 2007 7:39 PM — 84.146.9.220 — link — abuse?
SEC fan post 90, what did the SEC do last year in their bowl games?? You talk as if the SEC has been the most dominant conference ever, and I'm sorry buddy but thats not the case. Last season, the Big 12 and ACC had the best records during the bowl games and I do not remember very many Big 12 or ACC fans ramble on and on of how strong their conferences were. I guess as an SEC fan, saying that your teams conference is the best and most dominant ever must make you feel more of a man or boost up your self esteem. At least my Sooners are 19-9 against SEC opponents. Go Sooners!!
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FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 9, 2007 9:37 AM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?Normally, I would say the loser of the NC game deserves a #2 ranking, but Ohio State deserves to be no higher than #3 (if that high). As well, Wisconsin had a great year, but doesn't deserve to ranked ahead Michigan by more than 1 spot( if at all). And then theres Notre Ame (still no "D" in South Bend), a team that clearly deserves to be outside of the top 20 rather than in. Bring on the Playoffs and lets settle this where it should be settled- On the field! Unfortunately, Delany (the big10 president and father of the BCS) has too much power to let that happen. Oh well, I guess we just have to live with what we have. Allthough, I don't agree with Boise State being a top 3 team, they have every right to claim a portion of the National Championship. NO, THEY DIDN'T NECESSARILY PROVE IT BY THEIR SOS, BUT NO ONE ELSE (INCLUDING THE BCS SYSTEM)HAS PROVEN OTHERWISE. ....I'm taking nothing away from Florida. I reallly think the Gators are #1. But I don't want people thinking that the BCS system worked this time, when it clearly didn't. Congrats to the Florida Gators on a great year. You deserve the National Championship! Hopefully now, your president will still stand by his words and fight Delany for a chance to have a playoff system.