March 27, 2007
The 25 biggest off-season QB battles
Richard Cirminiello has a Scout.com analysis of the 25 biggest off-season quarterback battles. It's a good look at how the depth chart battles will play out through the spring, summer, and fall practices. But - to paraphrase an old saying - you can't win QB1 in the spring, but you sure can lose it.
Here are just a few of Cirminiello's QB summaries:
23. Ole Miss – Last year, Ed Orgeron handed the starting job to Brent Schaeffer before the precocious junior-college transfer had even arrived on campus. This year, the coach is being a little more judicious in his approach, opening up the quarterback competition to include junior Seth Adams, a former walk-on that saw action in six games a year ago. Schaeffer was a mess in 2006, struggling with his reads and finishing last in the SEC in passing efficiency, but a second year in the system and with the Rebel receivers should help the senior’s development. Prized Texas transfer Jevan Snead takes over the offense in 2008. Prediction: Schaeffer...
12. LSU – If someone other than former mega-recruit Ryan Perrilloux was the understudy in Baton Rouge, Matt Flynn would be the slam-dunk choice to succeed JaMarcus Russell. Even without an official anointing from Les Miles, Flynn is still the prohibitive favorite to be under center when the Tigers begin another season in September. A heady and talented senior, he has the total package to finish his college career with a huge season. Now in his third year, Perrilloux has to begin displaying some of the gifts that made him one of the most coveted quarterbacks of the Class of 2005. While he oozes physical ability, the sophomore might need an epiphany over the next five months to keep Flynn from finally becoming the starter.
Prediction: Flynn...
10. Clemson – Will Proctor was just slightly above average as the starter last year, so Clemson will happily turn the page and begin auditions for its next quarterback. Can’t-miss recruit Willy Korn is already on campus and no doubt the future at the position, but he’ll have to be otherworldly to win the job, particularly with Florida State looming on opening day. He may, however, be good enough to beat out junior Tribble Reese and redshirt freshman Michael Wade for the opportunity to back up likely starter Cullen Harper. The junior has an underrated arm and is poised at all times, but when Proctor was struggling last year, it has to mean something that Harper wasn’t given a chance to step in and contribute.
Prediction: Harper, with Korn lurking around the corner...
5. Florida State – While Drew Weatherford is the incumbent, does the arrival of new offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher give a boost to Xavier Lee? It probably doesn’t hurt to have a new talent evaluator with a clean slate. Neither junior has been particularly consistent since arriving from high school as heralded prospects which is why the competition is wide-open. Until one of the two can prove he’s capable of consistently sparking the once-prolific Seminole offense, this debate is not going to die around Tallahassee or any place else where the sport is discussed.
Prediction: Weatherford...
2. Ohio State – As if replacing the Heisman Trophy winner isn’t hard enough, the Buckeyes must do so without a proven quarterback that’s been waiting in the wings until after Troy Smith and Justin Zwick graduated. In all likelihood, the Todd Boeckman era is about to begin in Columbus. He’s a 6-5, system-savvy kid who’s a lot closer to Zwick than the multi-dimensional Smith. Sophomore Rob Schoenhoft is another power forward who, at 6-6 and 240 pounds, is an imposing figure with enormous arm strength. The wild card is Antonio Henton, who’s hamstrung by being only a redshirt freshman, but is the only candidate capable of making plays outside the pocket and conjuring up images of Smith.
Prediction: Boeckman
Again, good off-season stuff. Check out the whole thing at PackPride.
Comments:
noleinator said:
posted on March 28, 2007 2:20 AM — 68.207.104.37 — link — abuse?
I am no Weatherford hater, the kid is a fighter. Hell, hes a direct descendant of legendary William Wallace the inspiration for "Braveheart." But I hope Xavier becomes the saviour this year. Raw talent and ability win out here. The props on Weatherford are that he is more consistent. What else would you say if the other guy only has 3 starts. Drew is consistent, at not making the big play, especially during crunch time. XL is a guy who can make something happen especially if the reigns are taken off and hes allowed to play his way. Which is hopefully what J-Bo Fisher will do. Optimize and utilize. #9 will hurt you. All of this QB speculation shouldnt matter too much anyways, Antone Smith is going to run all over everybody anyways! D will be great this year too, like always. Go Noles!
gatorhippy said:
posted on March 28, 2007 3:12 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Nole_Nation (#2):
Couldn't agree more with the X-Lee statement...
He is the kind of QB that should thrive in Jimbo's offense...
Just like JaMarcus Russell...
The key will be his decision making...
Weatherford hasn't done much to impress, but is he a victim of Jeff or just not that good...
It'll definitely be interesting to watch...
Hotty Toddy said:
posted on March 28, 2007 5:12 PM — 216.78.69.78 — link — abuse?
Schaeffer proved he could hurl the ball in the game against Alabama.. but I honestly would prefer Adams in this next season. He helped us mostly take LSU into over-time in Death Valley. Which wasn't an easy feat. But.. who knows, maybe Brent'll step it up a notch this season and live up to the hype.
Zac said:
posted on March 28, 2007 6:43 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
At least there’s not much of a battle for the starting QB job at WVU. Pat White’s a lock; that is, unless he gets hurt. There’s where the battle begins. Everyone saw what Jerrett Brown was capable of in relief of Pat White. What few of you may remember is 7-1 as a starter, Adam Bednarik. In his 1st ever collegiate game in the Carrier Dome against Syracuse, Bednarik ran for over 70 yards while splitting time with White. Over the 1st 8 games he played, he completed almost 76% of his passes against only 3 INT’s. While Brown is closer in style to White; Bednarik is closer in style to Full-Back, Owen Schmidt. Like White, Bednarik is not afraid to take a hit, but he's beefier and has a tendency to run over or through people. My gut feeling tells me Rodriguez will likely go with Brown, should the need arise. However, before the season's out, don't be surprised to see both of them on the field…at the same time.
posted on March 28, 2007 7:57 PM — 65.0.111.247 — link — abuse?TigerEducated said:
Just like JaMarcus Russell?
Dude...JR goes into the league and immediately becomes the strongest armed quarterback in it...
Xavier Lee was playing wide receiver for the Seminoles...
They're nothing alike...Nothing...
Jimbo had a mobile quarterback for exactly 1.5 seasons...Otherwise known as the Marcus Randall Era, and they were in the 2nd half of our '02 campaign, and then again in '04...
Both were after Matt Mauck left the team, first to injury after the UF win in 2002 that left us 5-1 and Top 10 in the nation, and we finished 8-5...Then after Mauck's early departure to the NFL...
In games started by Marcus Randall, LSU finished 2-4 in 2002 (He was benched for the start, but entered in relief of Rick Clausen in the Ole Miss win that year), and 5-3 in '04 in games in which Mr. Randall started (JaMarcus was 4-0 in starts)...
That gives him a record as a starter of 7-7...I honestly think Lee's probably got better arm strength, and most probably he may be a better overall athlete than Randall, though I'm guessing Marcus probably had way more elusiveness in the openfield than Mr. Lee, having seen both in those positions before...
You better hope a classic drop back passer comes through, or you can find a "system" quarterback...That's what Jimbo's succeede the most with...
AllAboutNoles said:
posted on March 28, 2007 9:02 PM — 24.168.206.62 — link — abuse?
Prediction: Drew Weatherford ??????
Are you serious??
Someone has not watched LSU for the past couple of years. Jimbo's whole scheme is to nickle and dime you and then strike deep. His offenses work best with either a quarterback who is mobile or has a strong arm. Drew Weatherford has neither of these. He is the slowest QB on the team; and he has proven time and time again that he can't throw the ball over 20 yards. When a QB has no deep threat with his arm, LBs and safties get closer to the line of scrimmage. When 8-9 people are near the line of scrimmage, it makes it pretty hard to run the football. Therefore, a defense pulls everyone in, call cover 2, and make the offense beat them in 4-5 yard spurts until the offense destructs itself. This is what has been happening the last 2 years. Atleast Rix could stretch the field with his arm and legs. X Lee has the tools to match Jimbo's offense. He is very mobile and has a cannon for an arm. Lee had to come in and save Weatherford in the W. Michigan game. Then Weatherford clearly cost FSU the win against Florida while throwing 3 INTs in the 3rd quarter. He had 2 or 3 chances to move FSUs offense down the field in the last 5 min of that game to tie or win the game; and he did nothing. His time is up. I really believe that the only reason Bobby B. keeps starting Weatherford is because his dad played for Bobby B.
Scott said:
posted on March 28, 2007 9:22 PM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
Hey TigerEducated,
When have you seen Lee line up at wide receiver? I have watched every FSU game since the early 90's, and been to many of them. I have never seen him line up anywhere but QB. Please have all the facts before you make a statement.
Regan said:
posted on March 29, 2007 6:15 PM — 205.188.116.201 — link — abuse?
FSU will be better next year; how or where is still up in the air. The question is: Will the team jel early with a good, but new staff?
As far as firm statements, the only thing I can say is:
1) The Noles will be better than 6-6 in 2007. Probably much better. I expect a Tennessee-2006-style turnaround.
2) The Noles will be better in the second half of the season than the first half. If they rip through Clemson in Death Valley, they could really make waves. I hope for my Tigers' sake they do not...
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on March 29, 2007 7:15 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
I'm not sure how the final product will be opening night but the o-line will start off just fine I think. Reports out of practice are the o-line are blowing people off the ball. The d-linemen said the o-line is much better in practice than they were last year. The WRs are much more physical blocking down field as well on running and passing plays.
The team has a new attitude and are more physical overall.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 30, 2007 6:34 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
That's what I'm talkin about fellas.......... Noel Devine has just signed a L.O.I. to attend WVU!
My gosh my gosh my gosh.... Pat White and Jarrett Brown at the QB postion......
Steve Slaton, Noel Devine, Owen Schmitt, and Jason Gwaltney round up the RB's....
Oh Yeah baby...... I've been waiting for WVU to have talent like this for a long long time!Martin said:
posted on March 31, 2007 3:30 AM — 68.35.200.186 — link — abuse?
I honestly don't know which way Jimbo will go. I think Drew has the experience and leadership to quickly implement the new system. Xavier has incredible arm strength, which I think Jimbo likes. Don't take it as a knock on Drew's arm either. We've seen him throw the ball 60+ yards, however his ball speed and accuracy leave much to be desired that deep.
Please, don't say X has a mobility factor over Drew. Their 40 times are close to amount to about a tenth of a second. Also, the ability to avoid pressure is something that will need to be coached. X has had serious issues when it comes to making decisions under the pass rush as has Drew. The difference really has been that X has danced around the field for 20 min and then trown an interception. Drew takes a direct hit from a defensive lineman and somehow remains on his feet, then tucks for a 2 yard gain.In reading the practice reports it seems like a lot of emphasiss has been on execution, getting hte most out of every throw. I believe the man who can adopt Jimbo's system with the most consistency will win the job. Going in to practice I am inclined to believe that man will be Drew. However, I may feel really differently on the way out.
gatorhippy said:
posted on March 31, 2007 5:31 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Diggsy (#14,15,16):
I wouldn't get to excited about Devine just yet...
He still hasn't qualified academically with his GPA...
And his test scores are a bit suspect...
He claims he scored a 1580 on the SAT but could only muster a 13 on the ACT?!?!??
The ACT is traditionally the easier of the two...
IF he does qualify, there is still the consideration of his character...
Extremely troubled past with multiple run ins with the law...
And the company he keeps isn't the best...
This just less than ten days ago...
http://www.abc-7.com/articles/readnews.asp?articleid=11705&z=2&p=
IF he's keeping company with these clowns how serious is he about staying out of trouble???
Note where the article staes that the home where Devine lives is a suspected drug house...
Don't get me wrong...
I hope this kid can/will get his act together and have a terrific career...
It would be a shame to see that talent wasted...
But the chances are pretty slim he qualifies this year and pretty good he could end up in the pokey if he doesn't get away from the idiots he seems to be running with...
Zac said:
posted on March 31, 2007 9:32 AM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
ARRGH!!! There be a lot of Noles activity on this here page, maties. So, tell me. How have all the coaching changes rounded out for FL St? I haven't seen anything since the dust settled. By the way, new choaches aside, I cannot immagine the Seminoles not improving upon last year. I predict a monsterous rebound. Not to mention, there's been a lot said for and against Weatherford. While he's not the "second coming", I think he's the type to learn from his mistakes. A year can make a big difference. Expect him to do the Seminles proud.
Zac said:
posted on March 31, 2007 9:53 AM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Diggs: If Noel Devine works out, what do you figure? Rodriguez red-shirts him for Slaton's Jr. year, giving Devine a chance to learn the system. Then, provided Slaton hasn't booked for the NFL, Devine plays a key back-up role during Slation's Sr. year, before taking the reigns himself. Of course, anything can happen between then and now. One of the other running backs could emerge as the front-runner. That would certainly be test of Devine's maturity. From what Gator-Hippy’s brought up, I’m more interested in the team being a positive influence on this kid. The Mountaineers don’t need another incident like that bar fight involving Pac-Man Jones.
Zac said:
posted on March 31, 2007 9:53 AM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Diggs: If Noel Devine works out, what do you figure? Rodriguez red-shirts him for Slaton's Jr. year, giving Devine a chance to learn the system. Then, provided Slaton hasn't booked for the NFL, Devine plays a key back-up role during Slation's Sr. year, before taking the reigns himself. Of course, anything can happen between then and now. One of the other running backs could emerge as the front-runner. That would certainly be test of Devine's maturity. From what Gator-Hippy’s brought up, I’m more interested in the team being a positive influence on this kid. The Mountaineers don’t need another incident like that bar fight involving Pac-Man Jones.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 31, 2007 12:38 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
This is what I figure about Devine........ when he does qualify( I say this because I just have a feeling this is going to work out......maybe wishful thinking??) I think that he'll realize the chance that he has and try to make the best of it. Some kids are just not smart enough to make the grades at the college level. If this is the case it will be a shame that he didn't sacrifice enough of his off time to studying. If he winds up like Clarett? I have no pity for him.
I see Devine qualifying this year and If "I" were the Head Coach I would not redshirt Devine. I'd use him like the Gators used Harvin this year. I'd use him in the slot for sure, and I'd also let him take a few reps at RB if he proves his same tenacity at the College level that he had at the High School level. It would be too hard for me to redshirt Noel giving that he performs well in practice.
I think that the Mountaineers will rally around for this kid and be a positive influence for him like you said Zac. Like I mentioned before maybe that's wishful thinking? But, who wouldn't be thinking positively about talent like this? I got a feeling this will work out guys. (Quote me on it)gatorhippy said:
posted on March 31, 2007 2:14 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Diggs (#23):
Keep on that wishful thinking...
The scoop on Devine has been that he won't be able to qualify since his junior year...
However, he would be a great addition to an already fairly potent, albeit one dimensional, offense...
If I'm Rich Rod, my thinking would be to hell with throwing the ball...
Now if the 'Eers can just stop teams from scoring...
Which was their biggest problem last year...
No defense...
Don't forget the the games played on both sides of the ball and WVU has never had great defenses...
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on March 31, 2007 3:00 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy.........I'd appreciate if you'd never open your mouth again on WVU football. Seems pretty stupid for someone to sit there and say 1 dimensional offense for the past 2 years......but yet no team can seem to stop it. It's 1 dimensional, stop it then....it's that simple.(End of story)
Our problem last year was with our corners and safeties. Recruiting has focused alot on the secondary this year. I have no worries about the secondary. As for Noel... it does not really matter if Noel qualifies this year or not. The fact remains we are still as potent as ever on offense, our defense will be better this year....so again... I have no worries Gatorhippy. Hope to see ya during the BCS.....with or without Noel Devine.
Zac said:
posted on March 31, 2007 4:21 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Gator-"H": I have to agree with you on the one dimensional thing,,,to a point. As Diggs eluded to, why throw the ball when running it works so well? White, Slaton, even Schmidt averaged over 5 yards per carry. Where're you're wrong is this: While WVU tends to stick with what works, White, Brown, even Bednarik can and have done well throwing the ball. The 200+ passing yard games are few & far between, but they do exist. Just ask Rutgers, for example. Defensively is where WVU was truly one dimensional. With the exception of Rutgers’, Ray Rice, WVU did a good job stopping the run. As Diggs has already said, it was the 2ndary which was inexperienced and weak. Sometimes, it looked as if they were just lost out there. All we can hope for, in this regard, is one year making enough of a difference, not to mention better coaching and an impact recruit coming to the forefront. It's that, or WVU's defense may wind up looking just like last year's.
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on March 31, 2007 4:34 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
Zac #20:
Reports out of training and practice indicate the new coaches have made an instant impact.
Heres a break down of the coaches and an overview of the changes...
Rick Trickett - Offensive line coach: Since his arrival the line as a group have lost 180 lbs since the end of January. Many linemen have reported losing 30+ lbs. In practice the d-line has said the o-line is much better. Defensive tackle Andre Fluellen said of the o-line, "They are a whole lot quicker than last year. I can see that. And I know that's because of the weight they dropped and body fat. Once they are able to maintain that weight and then put muscle back on, they are going to be dominating teams next year." Another DT, Budd Thacker said, “Faster. Much faster off the ball and coming off with more power,” the freshman said. “And it's a totally different mentality on the football field. They are getting after it.” The improved o-line also will improve the d-line, they will be working hard against each other in practices.
Lawrence Dawsey - WR coach: The WRs have most noticeably also been much more physical. RBs have noticed, “The receivers are probably the most aggressive guys out there right now,” Smith said. “Those corners are scared of them right now because they are just crack-blocking everywhere right now." In addition to the more physical WR play they are also running better and more precise routs.
Jimbo Fisher - OC and QB coach: Fisher is giving Weatherford and Lee equal snaps in practice. In the first scrimmage Xavier Lee completed 6 of 10 for 93 yards, including a perfectly led 31-yard touchdown pass to Greg Carr. Drew Weatherford went 4 for 11 for 69 yards and was sacked 3 times. In the second scrimmage he did greatly improve. Lee and Weatherford seem to be neck n neck for the starting job. Weatherford went 10 for 12 for 126 yards and two touchdowns while Lee completed 10 of 13 passes for 133 yards with one touchdown and an interception.
Chuck Amatto - LB coach: He has brought the same intensity to the defense that Trickett brought to the offense. He has the LBs flying all over the field.
Bob LaCivita - Recruiting Administrator: Hired from UF he could be the most important hire for the Noles. He will serve as a liaison between FSU and high-school coaches and handles the administrative duties related to recruiting. The Noles were the only national program without a person in that position - now they've hired the best. LaCivita just assembled the #1 overall recruiting class for UF this past season, now he will do that for the Noles.
Overall, the new staff have already had a huge impact on the team. All signs thus far are pointing to a much different season for the Noles next year.
gatorhippy said:
posted on March 31, 2007 4:55 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Diggs (#25):
Never said it was one dimensional "for the past 2 years"...
Simply said it was one dimensional...
But given your claims let's explore the "last two years" of WVU offense...
In 2006, the 'Eers passed for 2059 yds but rushed for nearly twice as much at 3939yds...
They attempted only 233 passes versus rushing 590 times...
White attempted only 179 passes the entire year...
He also rushed for 18 tds while only tossing 13...
In the meantime, White carried the ball 165 times while Slaton carried 248 times...
As well as, not ONE receiver caught over 40 balls for the season or more than 10 touchdowns...
In 2005, the 'Eers were even more run based overall passing for merely 1398 yds versus 3269 yds on the ground...
Only attempting to pass on 192 plays all year long while running the ball 625 times...
White only threw for 828 of those yards at 65 of a 114 attempts being completed for 57% while he ran the ball for 952 yds on 131 carries...
Yes, Diggs, you read that right...
WHITE RAN THE BALL MORE TIMES IN 2005 THAN HE ATTEMPTED TO THROW IT!!!!
Meanwhile, Slaton carries the ball another 205 times...
Sorry, Diggs, but when you are rushing the ball TWO TIMES as many times you attempt to throw it you are being one dimensional...
Anyway, you slice it...
As for "no team can seem to stop it"...
Looking at the defensive teams that WVU has faced over the same stretch, we can get a pretty good idea why it "seems that no team can stop it"...
On their 2006 schedule these are the teams with their NCAA defensive ranking at the end of the year...
Marshall #101
East. Washington #98 (in D1-AA)
Maryland #84
E. Car. #52
Miss. St. #41
'Cuse #107
UConn #82
Louisville #40
Cincy #31
Pitt #87
S. Fl. #25
Rutgers #4
Ga. Tech #27For 2005...
'Cuse #69
Wofford #71 (in D-1AA)
Maryland #57
E. Car. #81
Va. Tech #3
Rutgers #48
Louisville #36
USF #15
UConn #21
Cincy #99
Pitt #31
UGA #5Looking at this it is apparent that WVU has not played very many quality defensive teams over the last two years...
Given there are a few exceptions; with three top ten ranked defenses and 1 top twenty defense over this time span; but obviously the bulk of the teams the 'Eers have faced have been of average to subpar to downright awful on defense...
Defensive Minded Nebraskan said:
posted on March 31, 2007 5:30 PM — 75.88.70.92 — link — abuse?
Good Stats... you almost had me. One thing, Stats do not tell you how many times a pass play was chosen and White ran.. a true stat i think would be how many times White was sacked vs. his avg yardage per rush (from the original pass play) to produce some kind of proficiency ratio in said situation. But then again... i am too lazy to look up stats so bash away brethren.
BTW!!! check this... nasa is asking the people to give them advice. At least they aren't being too proud! http://procurement.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/eps/synopsis.cgi?acqid=123696
gatorhippy said:
posted on March 31, 2007 6:09 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
DM Husker (#30):
Regardless of whether a pass play was chosen or not...
The stats don't lie...
If you watched more than one or two of the games that WVU played last year, it becomes pretty obvious that the run game was the #1 method of attack for WVU...
As well as...
I seriously doubt that Rich Rod called an even number of pass plays that turned to busted plays where White took off scrambling to bring the offensive output to a tune of two to one...
If it did then FSU and Bobby Bowden just made the biggest mistake in the in the history of CFB with the hiring Trickett since that would undicate that WVU had extreme problems with breakdowns at the O-line...
Which I did not see in the games that I watched WVU in last year...
Their O-line looked good; making their blocks and opening holes for the White/Slaton tandem in most of the games they played...
But again this was almost entirely against defenses that wound up ranked sub top twenty five in NCAA D-1 football not to mention to very poor D1-AA schools...
However, I will give credit where credit is due and the 'Eers flat outscored #5 UGA defense in the 2006 Sugar Bowl two years ago...
At least in the first half, and while it was enough...
Once UGA settled in after the first quarter, WVU had to fend them off the rest of the game and escaped with a 3 point win...
I see where you're going with the sack vs. avg rush ratio...
But, it still doesn't reflect the actual one dimensional aspect of the WVU offense...
The actual stats are the best measure of that...
JMHO...
I'm sure Diggs will disagree..
gatorhippy said:
posted on March 31, 2007 6:33 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Zac (#26):
I see where your going with the Rutgers example, but lets not leave out the USF example...
Average defense whose coaching staff took advantage of the one dimensional aspect and used it against WVU...
Stuffed the high scoring, high rushing offense for 19 points, less than 140 yards total rushing and no 'Eer back reached more than 70 yards...
Granted White had one of his better days passing; tossing two touchdowns to keep the 'Eers in it...
But he also threw two interceptions to keep them out of it...
This is a rushing team with a rushing QB...
Almost eighties nineties Nebraska style of offense without the horrifying defense...
Go back and look at my post #28...
The defensive rankings there show that WVU has played defenses over the last two years that almost ANY team could put up those kinds of numbers on...
I wil agree, though, that the WVU defensive backs absolutely must step it up and have a vast improvement over 2006 if 'Eers plan on contending for the national title this coming season...
Defensive Minded Nebraskan said:
posted on March 31, 2007 7:35 PM — 75.88.70.92 — link — abuse?
I agree, but in the games i have seen the screen game to that one converted freshman rb (almost a wishbone thing) made it possible to do an honest spread and run that PA outside or inside keep.. thats what i think made that whole offense run... as of what i have seen.
gatorhippy said:
posted on March 31, 2007 9:03 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
DM Husker (#33):
Cmon, man...
Tossing a couple of screens each game does not bring a team from one dimensional...
WVU tosses those screens just to try to keep the DBs and LBs honest and get them from collapsing in the box...
Kinda like South Florida did to them last season and it worked...
They dared WVU to throw the ball knowing they might give up a couple of TDs through the air but totally neutralized the run game...
Then just beat down the already suspect WVU defense on their way to the win...
clemson1981 said:
posted on March 31, 2007 9:52 PM — 74.242.88.166 — link — abuse?
Not knockin any of you FSU fans or anything but....does it really matter right now? I mean if I were an FSU fan id take it liek this, this is a year of change, adn admit it both Drew and Xavier will play this year, it simply comes down to who shows teh most in spring. But overall you look at it thats teh way its been the past two years, and even then the QB spot was not sold to one QB. Just a word of advice, Chris Winkie and Charley Ward don't go to FSU anymore.
Defensive Minded Nebraskan said:
posted on March 31, 2007 10:07 PM — 75.88.70.92 — link — abuse?
Hey, all i'm saying is that it isn't as one dimensional as some old Big 8 teams.. WVU in my opinion should throw more, but didn't their best down field threat leave as a senior? I expect to see more of the same, maybe more of a power set if some game breaking TE can come contribute off the edges of the line.. and at least threaten deep.
Ryan said:
posted on March 31, 2007 11:58 PM — 70.126.19.226 — link — abuse?
The assumption that OSU future QB Todd Boeckman is a strict pocket passer is a little off base. He has very good mobility and ran the fastest 40 of any Buckeye QB last year (4.61 electronic) including Troy Smith. At 6'5 240lbs, he'll be used in much the same manner as Craig Krenzel in 2002.
Zac said:
posted on April 1, 2007 12:22 AM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Seminole_Nation: I'm not at all surprised at what you're telling me regarding Rick Trickett, not to mention Jimbo Fisher & Chuck Amatto. (I'm not familiar with the other guys.) Trickett is a Nam Vet, hard working, hard nosed Marine in the true spirit of the Core. He expects as much out of his men as he expects of himself. He has completely bought into the idea of the quick-footed linemen who are sharp and fast off the ball, which Rodriguez demanded. It's no wonder your guys are slimming down, sharpening their focus, and being increasingly tougher on "D" linemen. Good news for you, not so for the rest of the ACC, let alone the Nole's nonconference schedule. Look out this year, Gator fans.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 1, 2007 2:12 AM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
gator hippopotamus,
Post #28,
So let me get this straight...... so what you're saying is that #41 Miss. St, #40 Louisville, #31 Cincinnati, #25 So. Fla., #4 Rutgers, #27 GT, #3 VT, #15 USF, #21 Uconn, #31 Pitt, and #5 the big ole SEC champs UGA was a fluke over the last 2 years????????????????
If that's right? Then I have no further questions?Thanks for proving my point for me!
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 1, 2007 9:00 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Diggs (#35):
We can always count on you to resort to name calling...
Exactly what point of yours did I prove?
Please expound and enlighten us all past that nonsensical sentence fragment you provided...
From all the information I provided I see a bunch of lame defenses WVU faced over the last two years with the exception of V Tech and UGA...
Sure Rutgers acheived a #4 defensive rating last year but they played virtually the same lame schedule that WVU played and basically played above their head all year IMHO...
Lets not forget the stuff job that South Florida put on that one dimensional offense in 2006...
Similiar stuff job by V Tech in 2005...
Held Slaton to 90 yards; 44 of which came on one play; while the 'Eers could only muster 17 points...
Oh yeah, almost forgot...
The #3 UGA ranked D faced in the 2006 Sugar Bowl played in ATL...
Sure the 'Eers started strong piling on a bunch of points and breaking big RUNS...
But as UGA settled in the offensive production slowed and simply came to a halt scoring a total of 7 points in the second half...
If not for catching the Dawgs by surprise and perhaps a little complacent in the 1st quarter, this is surely a loss...
So let's see one three point win against a real defense and we're supposed to believe that WVU is really this amazing offensive juggernaut...
ROTFLMAO...
Again, Diggs, WVU is a one dimensional team with no defense that for the most part plays teams that can't play defense as well...
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 1, 2007 11:38 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Diggs (#25 & #39):
Even further endorsing my ideas about the one dimensional offense and weak schedule played by WVU is this quote by Rick Trickett on his new talent at FSU...
"These guys are more talented than the guys I had over the last six years. They ought to be able to do anything I have been able to teach them other guys to do."
In a round a bout sort of way that tells us that the offensive line talent at WVU that Trickett coached in Morgantown is not even on the level of a team that went 7-6 last year and played an obviously WAY tougher schedule than the 'Eers...
In other words, much of WVU's offensive success is largely due to the weak schedule they play in the Big East...
And, yeah, I would call the 3 point 2005 Sugar Bowl victory against the Dawgs a fluke...
Play that game ten times and I'd be willing to bet that UGA comes out on top the next nine times...
But as the saying goes...
Even the sun shines on a dog's ass somedays...
Just ask the 2006 National Championship University of Florida Gators...
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 1, 2007 1:05 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
The Gators performances as a whole was not outstanding gatorhippo........However the Nat. Title Game was.
A 1 point win over SC, a 6 point win over a crappy Vandy team, 7 point wins over 2 of the worst offenses in football last year for Florida St. and Georgia. (GA #90 FL.ST.#70) Yeah man....impressive stuff there.
Florida was simply lucky last year to win those close games against those offensively talentless teams. Not to mention that Florida St. ranks #102 in the turnover margins....followed by Vandy at #74, SC at #73 and UGA at #68.
The Gator 2007 Schedule is filled with creampuffs also......Western Kentucky, Troy, Fl. Atl. You could even throw Vandy, Kentucky, and Ole Miss in there as creampuffs as well. Don't start the weak schedule argument..... or else you'll be sticking a big fat foot in your mouth. At least "all" of our opponents are Div. 1A!Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 1, 2007 1:08 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
Post #39 was referring to defense rankings and the fact that they were all shredded by our offense with the exception of SO. Fla. (can't win'em all) I was tanked last night when I wrote that so I can see where the confusion came from.
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on April 1, 2007 1:16 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
clemson1981 #35
Yes, it matters a lot. It's HUGE actually. The fact the coaches are coming in and making an instant impact tells me a couple of things.
#1. FSU has the TALENT to play with anyone. As gatorhippy eluded to in #41, Trickett said the talent he's working with at FSU is better than any he's had the past 6 years. The poor record FSU has had the past several years has been to poor coaching. The talent is picking up and learning the new (better) coaching very quickly (an indication the talent is actually there). Lesser talented players would take longer grasping new, well, new everything.
#2. The fact they are drastically improving only half way through spring practice is key. It means the team will have the fundamentals of the offense down very well. Come summer and fall the team will be able to polish themselves instead of continuing to try and learn the scheme and basics.
The point I am trying to make is, most people thought (myself included) it would take maybe two years for the offense to "click." I thought the offense would be decent to start the season and continue to improve throughout the year. However, the players have exceeded the coaches expectations and my own to be frank. I'm not saying FSU will start the season scoring 50 a game but, I think the offense will be stronger out of the gate than people expect.
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 1, 2007 2:01 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Diggs (#42):
I love it...
Name calling coupled with personal deflection now...
Have I claimed anywhere upon this entire blog that the Gators were not lucky to be put in the situation they were in last year...
Nope...
Did I not just say the Gators were lucky last season...
Yup, sure did...
Have I claimed anywhere that UF was an offensive juggernaut last year...
Nope...
I think you might be in a bit of denial there, Diggs...
As well as, we have established that the 'Eers have played two D1-AA opponents the last two years...
Again, please show me where your points have been proven correct by any information I have served forward...
Hell, just give me exactly what your points are...
Shall I redefine mine for you, just in case you forgot...
1) WVU is a one dimensional offensive team...
2) Their offensive success is largely due to weak conference and OOC play...I believe I have more than established this and you know this I have yet to see one bit of information from your side of the court to inform any of us otherwise...
Deflect all you want with your Gator bashing...
Bottom line is this...
UF might have pulled some games out by the skin of their teeth, but who was in the Desert playing for a National Title and taking home the hardware with a systematical beat down of an perceived undefeated invincible heisman trophy led OSU...
While at the same time, winning one basketball championship and playing for another this Monday...
Meanwhile, WVU waddled down to J-ville for a second tier bowl and and was winning an NIT champ in hoops...
Speaking of which...
Where did those NIT champ shirts come from...
You know the ones that read...
2007 NIT Champs - West VIRGINA...
LOL
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 1, 2007 2:04 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
As for name calling........since your cloudy mind has already forgotten?..... You opted to go that route with your renaming of me in post #18. It's Diggs.... not "Diggsy", Diggler, or anything else for that matter. We all know that you make little petty comments like this to stir up a argument.
It goes both ways Gatorhippy....it's not all about you on this forum.Bottom line....... "don't throw stones if you live in a glass house".
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 1, 2007 2:21 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
I love how this clown starts bashing my Mountaineers and then has the guts to pretty much act like I started bashing his Gators first??(refer to post #24) If the word denial ever needs a new definition?.....the proper word would be "Gatorhippy right beside it.
I simply added a couple of comments about Noel Devine.(which I might add that he's clearly jealous of). That's right, Noel didn't even set up a visit date with Florida even though he was highly recruited and offered by Florida. He did however set up visit date with another West "Virgina" head coached team called Alabama.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 1, 2007 2:25 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy lives in the land of denial and he also forgets what he says rather quickly.
(All anyone has to do is read his posts..... he accuses then gets mad when someone fires back, then he has the audacity to say you started the name calling etc.etc.etc.)
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 1, 2007 2:37 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Diggs (#46 & 47):
Wow...
I haven't been bashing the 'Eers at all...
Simply said they were a one dimensional offensive team that hasn't played good defense in the past...
You asked why does it seem no one can stop it...
I offered my two cents...
I also pointed out with the talent that Devine would add to this one dimensional attack...
Why throw the ball at all...
It seems to be effective now against the schedule the 'Eers play and Devine just adds another weapon to the arsenal...
Also, have just pointed out that Devine is having trouble qualifying and has penchnat for hanging out with kids that are going to get him in trouble...
Why would I get "jealous" over something like recruitment in CFB...
Kids have to make choices, if Devine feels WVU is the best choice for him then good for him...
It ain't something I take personally, unlike yourself it seems...
And for crying out loud, every school in the freaking Southeastern U.S. and beyond has had an eyeball on this kid for three years now...
Let me be the first to apologize if you took offense to "Diggsy"...
Wasn't meant to be offensive at all...
As clearly your derogatory marks were...
More along the lines of saying "The Diggster" or "Diggs-Fabulous"...
Jeez, people are so touchy these days...
You really need to relax, my man...
How long since you've been on vacation...
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 1, 2007 2:41 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
WOW.....
"Simply said they were a one dimensional offensive team that hasn't played good defense in the past..."
If the above statement isn't bashing I don't know what is???
Simply put I wanted to talk about NoeL Devine being a tremendous talent and you started with the unnecessary judgments of my team just to start an argument as usual. The End.
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 1, 2007 2:50 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Diggs (#50):
Look back at #24...
States right there that Devine would be a terrific weapon to a potent offense thast is one dimesional and the 'Eers need to improve on defense in oreder to make the next step...
So lessee here...
Devine discussion...check
His impact on the offense...check
What the 'Eers need toimprove to support his impact...checkWhere is the bashing in that...
Is this not a factual notion...
That WVU needs to play better defense to support a potent , albeit one dimensional offense...
Good grief...
You're making the argument out of this, Diggs...
Not I...
None of my statements had on iota of vitriol until #45 in response to YOUR Gator bashing which had nothing to do with the conversation at hand...
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on April 1, 2007 3:00 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
Noel Devine has a kid. Obviously he's super talented. I'd like to know how long you guys think he will stay in school, assuming he doesnt get into trouble. With a family to support, do you think he will bolt for the NFL after his soph year? Tory Holt did from NC State, look at him now for the Rams.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 1, 2007 3:13 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
Since when does talking about an "INDIVIDUAL"(an offensive individual at that)...warrant the debate of a teams defense?
Answer: It doesn't. It's not relevant to the topic I brought up.
So if you weren't trying to stir up an argument??? Then why even go there?
You could've mentioned numerous attributes about Devine such as size, speed, balance, power, or lack of intelligence.
You did mention some of those things about Devine, but you could've left it at that. Instead, you said things like: (the next few items come from post #24)
1.Keep on that wishful thinking...
2.Now if the 'Eers can just stop teams from scoring...
3.No defense...
4.Don't forget the the games played on both sides of the ball and WVU has never had great defenses...
So if you're not trying to start a big argument? Then why not stick to the comment or post I brought up? Is that too much to ask from time to time?
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 1, 2007 3:23 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
SEMINOLE_NATION post #52,
If Devine does qualify? I see him bolting like you said maybe after his sophomore year. He may choose to stick around for his junior year (which would be awesome). Sometimes you're dealt a hand in life in which you have to make tough decisions.I wouldn't hold anything against the man for leaving early...it would be a privilege in my mind to see him play, especially on my Mountaineer team. I just hope he qualifies, and whatever he decides to do after that is simply up to him? Given the situation he's in at the moment....I see him leaving way early. It's still going to be cool to see how it turns out though....
So Cal Athlete said:
posted on April 1, 2007 4:31 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Diggs/GatorHip discussion -
West VU is one dimensional in the sense that its a predominantly a "Running team", but its a fairly dynamic approach - they have the right weapons (White & Slaton) to do it with, and be successful at it.
Adding a WR/ATH type of guy would add to it, undoubtedly.Its not an out-right criticism to say so.
And on the West VU schedule being "Way" different than the Florida St schedule...- Massey's SOS Ranking: West VU is #31, Florida St is #32
- Sagarin's SOS Ranking: West VU #37, FSU #39
- Colley's SOS Ranking: West VU #28, FSU #37
- Anderson & Hester's SOS Ranking: West VU #30, FSU # 44
- Billingsley's SOS Ranking: FSU #19, West VU #64
posted on April 1, 2007 4:41 PM — link — abuse?
@Diggs - This Sam McGuffie? He's got some quicks and --at least-- six offers already. No commitment yet - stay tuned.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 1, 2007 5:30 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
Kev,
Pecisely the one I was looking for.....
Here's another clip of him...incase that you have not seen this one??http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4IJ17ODo_s&mode=related&search=
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 1, 2007 5:43 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
Here's a list of the schools that has offered him so far..........
Alabama, Florida, Michigan, Minnesota, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, and Texas Tech.
I'd say he'll quadruple those numbers in offers by next year.
So Cal Athlete said:
posted on April 1, 2007 5:56 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Sam McGuffie - Those moves you saw, I used to do that as a kid. They couldnt tackle me on the first effort, or by themselves... rolling off of bodies/over bodies... hurdling people... even if you hit me while Im in the air, it doesnt mean Im going Down. Aaah, memories...
But one thing, stepping on people, as I learned first-hand, is against the rules (it looks like he might have stepped on the opponents shoulder in that one clip).Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 1, 2007 6:05 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
post #63...??????????????????????????????????????
That's all you have to say So Cal?
"But one thing, stepping on people, as I learned first-hand, is against the rules (it looks like he might have stepped on the opponents shoulder in that one clip)".
Oh, I almost forgot about you basically saying that you were a phenom. ah ha ha ha haSEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on April 1, 2007 6:16 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
Sam McGuffie's moves will look sweet in a Noles jersey. Maybe the new coaches and Bob LaCivita will reel him in. A good showing on the ground this year wont hurt either, though so far I'm not too worried about the ground game.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 1, 2007 6:18 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
Post # 41
"And, yeah, I would call the 3 point 2005 Sugar Bowl victory against the Dawgs a fluke"..."Play that game ten times and I'd be willing to bet that UGA comes out on top the next nine times"...
LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOOLLOLLOLLOLLThis is clearly what should've happened when we played Georgia in the Sugar Bowl....
Rule #1: Both teams MUST play Georgia Style football.Rule #2: If at the end of regulation, Georgia has fewer points than its opponent, the clock is immediately reset to a time suitable for Georgia to mount a sufficient comeback to regain lead.
Makes perfect sense to me..... how about anyone else? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO(MInd you that I just read his comment, that's why I'm commenting so late)
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 1, 2007 6:50 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Diggs(#53 & 66):
I believe discussion of Devine's impact and what the 'Eers nees to improve upon to support that impact is very relative to exactly what kind of impact Devine will actually have...
Look back at those comments you listed that I made in #24...
Are any of them untrue about Mountaineer football over the past two seasons or the Devine's status on NCAA eligibility???
No...
It was an analytical statement of the team's overall play...
If you really wanna get picky about exactly what belongs in this thread you shouldn't have strayed off topic with the Devine subject in the first place...
This a thread on spring QB battles...
Next time e-mail K-Hue and ask him to start a thread on the subject if you think it warrants discussion...
And as far as the UGA Sugar Bowl discussion...
I'll stand by that statement, as outrageous as it seems...
WVU caught the Dawgs with their pants down, put up a bunch of early points then almost let UGA grab the win with weak play on defense...
Not a stretch at all, we all just got to witness the one time when WVU was actually lucky enough to get in there...
The better team doesn't always win...
If you haven't grasped that concept of sports yet, Diggs, I'd have to say you've probably never played a competitive sport in your life past some rec league kiddie ball...
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 1, 2007 6:57 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy,
My Devine comment was made because I was happy to see him sign the L.O.I.
Furthermore, you're so called "analytical statement of the team's overall play" was uninvited, so the only thing you could gain when making comments about someones team being crappy etc etc etc. is the fact that you started an argument.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 1, 2007 7:01 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
One thing I know is: that I was a player and you are probably a fat walrus looking flamer. Go ahead gatorhippy lets see some pics fatty! Post up a site url.... and lets see them. I'd be proud to post mine fatbody.
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 1, 2007 7:01 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
SoCal (#56):
That's exactly what I said in just different words...
Then just added in that their defense needs to step it up to support what the offense has been able to accomplish...
As far as, the Nole/'Eeer sched comparison...
I know how nuch faith you put into computer rankings, but come on, man...
Look at the comparisons in ranked teams played by both over the last two seasons...
Look at the players athletic capabilities on both teams...
Noles are a better athletic team that has been the victim of some pretty poor and stale coaching on offense the past six seasons...
Hey, besides the fact that Trickett was at WVU the last six years and surely he wouldn't bag the kids at WVU with a statement like he made if it wasn't true...
Or would he?
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 1, 2007 7:05 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
Just in case you forget gatorhippy????
THIS WAS YOUR EXACT WORDS FROM POST 67:
"If you haven't grasped that concept of sports yet, Diggs, I'd have to say you've probably never played a competitive sport in your life past some rec league kiddie ball"...
So my post #69 was warranted since you were desperately trying to find "anyway" to cheapshot someone from behind a monitor. (Happy to say you lose on that one......ONCE AGAIN! (fatbody)
T-Mac said:
posted on April 1, 2007 7:10 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Post 63. So Cal, You said that you qualify "Expert" in marksmanship every time in The Corps. Props to you on that. So I can understand why you would choose to join the Marine Corps. I have 1 question for you about post 63. YOU say you made runs like that all the time as a kid right? People couldn't bring you down etc. Why in the world aren't YOU playing professional football on some level???
YOU never said you were joking about that so I'm really curious on your answer to that question bro!Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 1, 2007 7:16 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
"Hey, besides the fact that Trickett was at WVU the last six years and surely he wouldn't bag the kids at WVU with a statement like he made if it wasn't true"...
gatorhippy,Now you're going to sit there and try to tell me that FSU has more talent overall than WVU???
I'll never believe it gatorhippy (sarcasm)The statement has been made by me before "We seem to do pretty damn good for what we have". I've made this statement numerous times. You're acting like it's some sort of new discovery that just hit the press.
That's the beauty of it all gatorschmator....(being that we get the job done with what we have)Now as for being in the National Spotlight for the last 2 seasons......we're sure to start getting more recruits with more talent year in and year out. It's already started.
Someone else made this comment before: "I'd hate to see Rich Rodriguez team armed with 5 and 4 star recruits".
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on April 1, 2007 7:35 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
Coach Trickett did an AWESOME job at WVU. With the talent level at WVU Trickett turned them into one of the best and most dominate lines in the nation. It showed with WVU averaging over 300 yards rushing per game. Yes, obviously they had White and Slatton but in the games I watched the past couple years I noticed how HUGE the holes were to run through. The line got Slatton and White into the secondary on most runs.
I cant wait to see what Trickett will do with FSU's talent.
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 1, 2007 8:16 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Diggs (#69 & 71):
Back to the name calling again, man...
Wow, must have really struck a cord with you there...
In reference to posting a site URL with a picture...
Sorry, but I'll not be letting any internet wacko with obvious anger management issues that's prone to name calling and threats of physical violence (see post 16 on the Illini feather scandal thread) over trivial discussions on CFB the lee way to possibly make their way into my life any further than a CFB blogboard...
The last thing I need is for you to show up at my house; take my wife and kids hostage on the way to blowing your head off in my living room...
However, while I really hate bragging on myself...
If you really must know, Diggs, I'll give you little breakdown of my history in sports...
Prep:
Third team all state selection in football as a WR...
Second team all-state selection in soccer as a defender...
State track meet three years in a row in the 800...Two years in a row in the 4x400 and 4x100...
Regional qualifer two years in row 100 meters, long jump, high jump...Air combat control in the USAF during the first Gulf War...
College ( Starting at age 23):
Two year soccer starter (13 goals/20 assists over two years) at small KY NAIA school (Sue Bennett College) where I also walked on to the football team (FR: 13 catches/251 yards/3 TD/Six games; SO: 25 catches/326 yds/6 TD/nine games)...Transferred to another NAIA school when SBC closed, you might have heard of it...
St. Francis University in Fort Wayne...
Finished up playing both sports there as well...
Jr/SR Soccer 9 goals/ 12 assists
Jr. Football 8 catches/147 yards/2 TDS/5 games
Sr. Football 13 catches/175 yards/4 tds/4 gamesTransferred to UF to finish my bachelors and also gain my masters degree where i played on UF's club soccer and rugby teams...
In the meantime, picked up mountain biking, kayaking, and hiking while living in KY and CO...
While playing organized soccer in various adult leagues thoughout the southeast (where I was earlier today during my siesta from the blog)...
During which playing in eight state cups and winning four with three different teams in two different states...
Got into triathlons at the encouragement of a buddy about six years ago, and participate in one about every month and a half to two months (the swimming is a bitch for me though)...
Just picked up playing golf in the last year and broke 90 for the first time last weekend...
So as you can see, I'm pretty well versed in athletics and the world there of...
How about you, bud, what is your athletic experience?
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 1, 2007 8:19 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Diggs (#72):
"The fact remains gatorhippy:
You are my puppet, and I am your PUPPETMASTER."Whoa...
You mean all this time the whole reason that you brought up Devine subject was a grand plan to get myself to post comments on your favorite football team and goad me into disagreeing with you...
Wow...
ROTFLMAO...
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on April 1, 2007 9:11 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
I know this has nothing to do with me. I'm not a fan of drama so I'm not sure why I'm even saying anything because I dont/wont get sucked in but c'mon guys. We're all adults here. There's no reason comments about a college football team in the month of March/April should lead to personal attacks, insults, and threats. Lets just stick to debating and talking football and be adults about this.
Bring on the football talk!
T-Mac said:
posted on April 1, 2007 9:25 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy, me and Diggs are just about the same size. We have discussed exercise/nutrition and things of that nature. I know Diggs is an avid weightlifter as well. Give us the lowdown on your size, strength etc. Me and my roommates are going to throw down some bets to who would win. So Cal lives in Vegas. You guys could settle it in a UFC Cage Fight. LETS GET IT ON!!!!!!
Zac said:
posted on April 1, 2007 9:27 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Diggs!!! Gattor-H!!! Peace already!!! Geeeeze!!! (By the way, G-H, I have to admit; I kind of liked the "hippopotamus" thing.) Anyway, nothing but love for you guys.
I think Seminole_Nation, with some eloquent help of Gator-H, brings about a good point. WVU has only just begun to really attract the better recruits. Five, even four-star recruits have been few and far between. Slaton was the luck of the draw. Guys like Devine, Gwaltney, and White typically went elsewhere. Their success, however speaks for itself: Coaching. Now, admittedly delighted as I was, somewhat (Remember, I took classes with Terry Bowden, have met his mom & dad; they really are class people.), I was also shocked with FSU's performance last year. It's just not every season the Noles go flat as they did. It's all about coaching. It's amazing what the right coaching talent can do with the little he's handed. Yet, no matter how much talent you get to play with, if you can't coach, they're not going to achieve. Which is why I now worry. I mean; face it; Rick Trickett is a hard act to follow. I can only hope the new line coach at WVU is as good. There aren't a lot out there who are much better. After all, without a solid, cohesive, and aggressively physical "O" line, there's not a lot the likes of Slaton, White, or any back for that matter will be able to do.
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 1, 2007 9:43 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
T-Mac (#83, 86):
I'm 5'11"/195 and have been since 1991...
But you know the saying...
Ain't the size of the dog in the fight...
As far as I'm concerened there is no issue...
Diggs makes a comment...
I respond...
Diggs gets pissed off, offended, and starts telling people to keep their mouth shut and throwing around name calling like a two year old rather than attempting to discuss and debate...
Obviously, he has an issue with what people think about him and his choice of football teams...
Me, I give could give care less what some dude in an internet chat room has to say...
If he really just would have ignored my comment in the first place instead of responding with name calling and personal attacks this issue would have been dead yesterday...
Maybe the internet is where he comes to validate himself...
I dunno...
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 1, 2007 9:48 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Nole_Nation (#82):
Go back and look at the posts...
That's all I have done all the way through...
Diggs is the one that resorts to name calling and personal insults...
That just ain't my style, man...
I just prefer to break it off in him through pure debate...
But it seems he can't handle it...
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 1, 2007 9:58 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Nole_Nation (#92):
Right on, man...
That's what I'm here for...
Sports debate and conversation...
Which is what I started with and pretty much kept at until Diggs went all wacko over a comment...
I mean , for cryin out loud, I'm not even addressing him with my last two comments and he is still freaking out...
T-Mac said:
posted on April 1, 2007 9:59 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy, post 77. You are backing down bro. You say Diggs has anger problems and don't want him showing up at your house and taking your wife and kids hostage. Cmon bro. If I had a wife and kids and somebody showed up at my crib like that I'd light that A$$ up poppin shots off with my glock-40. I'd ask questions later! I keep mine loaded on my nightstand beside my bed. There are no kids around, but there is something called "The right to Keep and Bear Arms." I really don't think Diggs would do anything like that bro. That's thinking to the extreme. Relax Gatorhippy. You guys disagree on the internet. Nobody is goin postal here. Ya Dig? Gator, you know the last person I want showing up at my house is Rosie O Donnell. HaHaHa. That gives me nightmares bro. I don't know gatorhippy. At this point I have to say that my money is on Diggs!
P.S. Thank you for your service in the USAF during the first Gulf War. I was very young then.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 1, 2007 10:01 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
I'm taking the gloves off................c'mon gatorshmator let's do it.
I feel like beating about 50lbs. off of that a$$
Just kidding.........In all seriousness though.... gatorhippy is that kid that would hit you from behind then take off running to his front porch.
Beating up kids like that is no fun.
I really feel bad for the guy.
Tomcat said:
posted on April 1, 2007 10:02 PM — 68.90.179.132 — link — abuse?
Wow # 82 I have to agree with the Seminole fan.
Lighten up.Personal attacks and threats are very juvienule. Hey Diggs WV sux and yall aint about nothing. FSU- rules sounds kinda silly doesnt it.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion.
Yall chill out Peace outDiggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 1, 2007 10:12 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
It's all fun and games until someone gets KTFO!
LOL
Also, thank you for your service X2.You know those smokers the military has? If so we should hook it up Navy vs. Air Force. Sound good?
Alright, alright alright......... Seriously I think this has went too far myself. Not that I'm scurred or anything..... it's just that I hate "Keyboard Warriors" just as much as the next guy. So I can't believe I let myself stoop to his level. I'm generally a quite, nice, and happy guy.
It just seems that everytime I make a post, the 1 and only gatorhippy has put his 2 cents in. The thing that gets me the most is that it's always has to be negative towards me, or my team.If all I ever had to say ended up negative (towards someone in-particular) I don't think I'd post in their general direction period.
T-Mac said:
posted on April 1, 2007 10:15 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy, you aren't very much smaller than Diggs. I think it would be pretty even fight. I'm not choosing sides or anything here, but Gator you did drop salt on West VA first. You said their defense basically sucks and that they are one-dimensional. Diggs was happy about a great recruit and it all started from there. Gatorhippy, you have no reason to get on a fan of another team because the Florida Gators are the Natl Champs. Gatorhippy, if you recall those Florida teams coached by Spurrier all they did was throw, throw, and throw. That is one-dimensional. Keep an open mind. My money is on Diggs. Diggs is outside right now gator!!!
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 1, 2007 10:23 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
Now, I'm gonna go downstairs and finish up this season of NCAA 07. I'm gonna be playing Penn St. in the 08 National Championship game. After that I'm going to create Noel Devine in detail to a "T"... location and everything. Then I'll import him to see if I can get a commitment.
About a 96 or so for speed ya think?
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 1, 2007 10:27 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
T-Mac (#95):
Right on...
Nuthin wrong with that...
I keep a pump 12 guage in a locked closet with ammo in a lock box near it; gotta keep the kids safe...
But believe me when I say that Rosey will get a couple of shells if she shows up at my place...
As far as Diggs not being a nutso is concerned...
People thought John Wayne Gacy was a swell guy too, but we all see how that worked out...
Anybody that gets this worked up to that extreme over a CFB discussion, I gotta question their stability...
As far as backing down...
I've never backed down from anyone or anything in my life and am pleased to be proud of the accomplishments that has awarded me...
I'm just not posing pictures of myself or my family on the internet for any reason for safety purposes...
If Diggs wants to make asumptions...
Fine by me...
Why would I owe him justification because I feel his favorite football team is one dimensional offensively and doesn't play sound defense...
That's just silly...
Like you told SoCal earlier on the Gore thread...
It's a public forum, I've got a right to post my comments as he does...
If he didn't like it, he could have chosen to just ignore it...
Instead he tells people to shut their mouths and begins a name calling session...
I would be willing to bet that's how alot of his debates and differences of opinion are settled in his life not just here...
Obviously he's a young guy and full of piss and vinegar...
One day he'll relax and realize there is a better way to resolve conflict...
Until then we'll just have to listen to name calling and personal insults rather than reason from him...
Admittedly, I might have let him drag me in a bit on that but I'll just ignore his lack of argumentitive abilites and try to stay focused on the subject...
Sound good?
You're welcome for the military service...
I'm sure you were a good Marine...
T-Mac said:
posted on April 1, 2007 10:37 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
See Guys. Leave it up to Ole T-Mac to bring the calm and make everybody relax. Diggs, you can plug me in as well at tailback bro. I kill em with the quickness. Go ahead and plug me in dog.
@Gatorhippy, my cousin always had a saying when I was coming up. "T-Mac, It aint nothin goin on til a punch get thrown or a gun come out".
Gator, don't get rattled dog. This is on the computer.
Where does Florida stand as far as recruits at this point??? It's all Love. T-Mac
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 1, 2007 10:48 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
T-Mac (#102):
Look at post 24...
I wouldn't call that dropping salt, just making an anylitcal comment...
Just as you just made about the Spurrier led Gators...
Now, while I don't fully agree with that...
I'm not gonna tell you the keep your mouth shut whenit comes to the Gators...
Instead...
Spurrier attacked hard in the first half havibg his QB's zip the ball all over the field...
In the second half during games they were winning...
He would begin the grind of the ground game and use the passing attack to keep the defenses honest...
Hence, guys like Errict Rhett and Fred Taylor were 1000 yard rushers with multiple 100 yard games in their careers...
However, if the Ball Coach was behind or the running game wasn't working...
Or if the Gators were playing UGA...
It was PASS, PASS, PASS, PASS, PASS...
Followed closely by SCORE, SCORE, SCORE, SCORE...
See how that works...
You made a comment...
I didn't agree with it and refuted accordingly and without vitriol...
No name calling, no threats, no telling you to keep your mouth shut...
T-Mac said:
posted on April 1, 2007 10:50 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy, post 106. I wasn't in the Marine Corps. Army. 1 year Belaid Ruiz.
Trp B RSS 278th RCT
Camp CaldwellGunner/MP
This isn't something I like to talk about in a College FB Fanblog, but I do thank you for your service. Props. T-Mac
noleinator said:
posted on April 1, 2007 10:58 PM — 68.207.104.37 — link — abuse?
Apparently this is a sensitive forum, but I have to admit, those NIT shirts were great! Accordingly, they turned out to be bigger news than the actual game. I'll go ahead and predict that N.Devine transfers out of W.Virginia back to Florida somewhere after freshman year, gets in trouble sitting out the 1 year wait only to be heard from again ala Lawrence Phillips and M.Clarett. He couldnt even make it in Texas with Deion for more than the 12 days of christmas without stealing their car and running back to florida. But I cant blame him for choosing W.Virgina, if he stays in Florida he has to deal with 4 different women who have mothered his 4 children. But he is a phreakish phenom who will rack up huge numbers against W.Virginia opponent defenses should he play. Scary. Like Antone Smith will be this year. #6 will go nuts this year! I cant wait! If he stays healthy Dunn's school records go down.
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 1, 2007 11:06 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
T-Mac (#109):
Again, I've been sitting here the last two days laughing at the Diggster's taunts and rants...
I'm not worked up over anything...
That's funny...
Our middle linebacker at St. Francis used to say that, too...
Of course, I can't even count how many times this was followed by him crushing some idiot that was stupid enough to try him in the face and have all hell break loose as he, I and the rest of the football team cleaned out a frat house...
Gators have nine signees in enrolled since January...
All are participating in spring drills...
QB Wagenner (JuCo transfer) was injured and is out for a bit...
All world QB Cam Newton has looked lost at times running the offense but i expected to probably fill a similiar role to Tebow's last year as Tebow takes over the reins...
Speaking of which...Timmy looks solid...
The O-line returns 4 starters and the freshman Pouncey twins (Jan enrolees) will be seeing playing time this fall possibly in a breather role and mop up duty...
RB Mon Williams blew his knee out and is gone for the season but Brandon James (water bug return guy last year as a FR) and Chevon Walker figure to be the frnt funners there anyway...
Haven't heard much on the defense...
This could be a good thing or a bad thing...
Meyer is pretty secretive though so there is no telling if the reports you're getting are the real deal or what the staff wants to release...
All in all, I'd say the Gators are looking at two losses in the season and could get to the Conf. champ and possibly wind up BCS bound...
But could just as easily end up with four losses if the defense doesn't come along well enough...
There is only eight seniors on the entire team this year and only seven juniors...
Doubt there is a repeat of 2006 on the plate but should have a decent year...
Of course that's what I thought for 2006 and look how that turned out...
T-Mac said:
posted on April 1, 2007 11:09 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy, I do remember Fred Taylor. He has been a Jax Jaguar for awhile now. I do recall him ripping it up at Florida now bro. I think I just see Danny Wuerffel(spelling) throwing BOMBS all game and the Gators lighten em up for about 50-60 points/game back then. Spurrier had firm control back then and it was called the fun and gun offense. T-Mac
clemson1981 said:
posted on April 1, 2007 11:09 PM — 74.242.88.166 — link — abuse?
SEMINOLE_NATION:
Well its sbvious FSU has talent and they have for years you don't win 2 national titles w/o talent. What I am saying is most of the time drastic change and overhaul like FSU had wont equal instant success, but there is always the very distinct possibility that you can.I dont really thing Lee or Weatherford are that great by any means but we will see, if all else fails you can depend on the D as always, that seem to be the only stable thing of FSU football right now. Cant wait for Septmeber 3rd by the way.T-Mac said:
posted on April 1, 2007 11:42 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy, how are they looking at wide rec and tightend? I've been a little out of the loop in the last year with the goals I have going on so excuse my ignorance. I've seen Tebow play and he is a helluva runner, but he runs very upright and that is a major concern. It seems to me that he is 1 run away from a line-backer popping his knee the wrong way. What kind of arm does he have? Is he accurate? Strong-armed passer? All I've seen him do is run the ball. Can he hit the rec on a quick-slant for 12 yds and throw a 48yd bomb for a TD? How many starters do they have returning on defense? You just never know. Look at the Alabama team from 2005 that went 10-2.
T-Mac said:
posted on April 2, 2007 1:34 AM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Digidy Diggs, What up Son??? Break down what West VA has coming in this season as far as recruits and what the upcoming season might look like according to you. I'm curious as to all the variables of West VA like Offense, Defense, Special Teams, and intangibles. Diggs, where in your opinion do you think West VA will be ranked in the preseason College FB Polls? This means quite a bit these days for obvious reasons that we All know of, but I won't say( BCS ). Diggs, I'm very interested in YOUR breakdown on this upcoming season in every aspect. I'm also very curious to know more about this player named Sam McGuffie. In MY opinion it is premature to compare him to Barry Sanders being that Barry Sanders was stellar all through High School, College, and his NFL career. That is what we all as players aspire to be. That being said, his tape of the touchdown run that I viewed is " Off the Hook". This McGuffie guy has the heart of a Lion and that's what you have to have in order to be a great Tailback. You cant be scared. You gotta hit the hole with the Power and Quickness! I like his TD run when he jumps over the defensive back. His foot barely touched the db's shoulder. Cmon guys. Hell, he brought that sh*t to the House and everybody knows that. That's 6 points or as we call it-A Touchdown!!! T-Mac fellow runninback!!!
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 2, 2007 7:44 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
T-Mac (#114):
Solid as hell a WR and TE...
Pearcy Harvin and Andre Caldwell are back...
As well as WR/TE/QB/BAMF Cornelius Ingram...
Ingram is a freakin stud and has fly paper on his hand I think...
Tate Casey will also be lining up at TE as the shift Ingram to the outside during certain plays...
Ingram didn't get alot of catches last year but he is fully expected to become the man this year...
I wouldn't worry about Timmy to much...
For the second year in a row during the spring, he has been sneaking into Okie drills and Bull in the Ring simply because he loves contact so much...
Coaches have to drag him out every practice...
I also saw where he improved his 225 bench from 19 reps last year to 25 reps this year...
And he isn't even 21 years old yet and a freakin QB to boot...
He lowers his chest and squares his shoulders when he needs to...
I watched him truck all-freshman Auburn LB Tray Blackmon last year during that game for a TD...
In all honesty this is a kid that in the HS championship game, begged his coach to put him in at nose tackle during the final series and then made 4, yes, 4 game saving tackles at the line of scrimmage to close out his high school career...
Dude is just a freak...
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on April 2, 2007 6:23 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
clemson1981 # 115
So far in practice DW and XL have looked very sharp at the QB position. That doesnt always equate into game day but under the coaching of QB expert Jimbo Fisher instead of QB idiot Jeff B the QB play will be better than last year regardless who is under center. However, it may not matter much. With the job Trickett has already done with the o-line I think FSU will be ready to run. Smith is one hell of a back, he was touted as being one of the top 5 hs backs in the country a couple years ago. So, with the o-line greatly improving and Smith ready to run - maybe QB play wont matter too much, to start the season anyway. I think the FSU offense may be slightly one dimensional favoring the run for the first couple games. That will give the QBs a little bit more time to sharpen up in live game experiences to open up the offense later on in the year.
Only time will tell how good/great the FSU offense will be in only year one of the Fisher era. I just know FSU did a great job bringing in the best OC from the best conference so - I like our chances this coming year.
The CU - FSU game should be a great one. I've already got my tickets. Best of Luck bud.
So Cal Athlete said:
posted on April 2, 2007 7:29 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
How did they rank these?
Id say the QB Battles that are most "riveting" and which carry national implications (in a combination of both) are:
1. LSU (what happens if you say Perripitzoplix backards?)
2. FSU (they may take our lives, but theyll never take our Freedom!!!)
3. VTech (poised for a big season)
4. UCLA (Ben Olson, we're still waiting)
5. Oregon (shouldnt be a battle; Dixon's the QB)
6. Miami (critical point in Miami's fate)
7. Utah (deep, solid Trio of QBs to choose from)... the QB "battles" at places like Ohio St, Notre Dame, Oklahoma are important because they involve major programs replacing their QB, but they're not necessarily "intriguing". At Notre Dame, is there much of a 'battle' anyway? Its Clausen's job (injury notwithstanding).
So Cal Athlete said:
posted on April 2, 2007 7:51 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Diggs, post 63 and 64,
I was a "Phenom" in my own mind... Im joking, but I did have a damn good sense of my center-of-gravity and decent speed/quickness... But in all actuality it says more about the caliber of opponents I played against back then, than about my skills.
McGuffie, this was the first Ive heard about that guy. He's not rated extremely high in the recruiting/scouting sites, but those are pretty bad-ass high-lites.
So Cal Athlete said:
posted on April 2, 2007 7:59 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Gator Hip,
You probably didnt Look into things as much as YOU should have. The ACC as a whole was baaad this past year (relatively speaking; among BCS confs) - probably only the XII was worse.
I offer those Ratings as reference point, and NOT as the end-all be-all, definitive word. Also consider that Each Win, Each Loss, EACH team, EACH Confernece is treated the Same Way with NO ATTENTION PAID to the "names" of the Teams, etc.
If you wanna go off of "Measurables", Height weight, Speeds, athletism, etc... then YOU are basing things on ON-Paper type of stuff yourself.
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 2, 2007 9:11 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
SoCal (#123):
I'd say regardless of Sagarin or other computer rankings the ACC is a tougher conference to play in than the Big East...
Actually I'm basing it on two factors; neither being pure paper...
1) FSU has been a victim of poor offensive scheming and stale coaching for the past six-seven years...
I don't think any of us can disagree on that...
2) Trickett was just quoted as saying the talent he's coaching now is better than any he saw the last six years at WVU...
This second point most certainly is an indicator of the talent pool available at FSU versus WVU...
Which would more than likely; but not necessarily interpret to the rest of the conference...
No offense, SoCal, but I'll take Trickett's expert opinion over your amatuer one anyday...
But I see where you're coming from with that...
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 2, 2007 10:11 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy, post #123
Always .....Excuses..... excuses...... excuses
Well if bad coaching wasn't the culprit..... I'm sure you'd find something else like to use like for example: "if the ACC teams were to play a (fill in the blank team)10 games....they'd win 8 or 9 of them.Good stuff man..... good stuff. LOL
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 2, 2007 10:17 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
I just seen some typos in post #125...IT SHOULD READ:
Gatorhippy, post #123
Always .....Excuses..... excuses...... excuses
Well if bad coaching wasn't the culprit..... I'm sure you'd find something else to throw out there... like for example: "if the ACC teams were to play a (fill in the blank team)10 games....they'd win 8 or 9 of them".Good stuff man..... good stuff. LOL
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on April 2, 2007 10:29 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
Overall I think the ACC is tougher than the Big East. Obviously, I'm a bit biased but I'm trying to approach this from a neutral point of view. Clearly last year was a very down year for the ACC and someone could probably argue any of the other BSC conferences were tougher. That's only ONE year though. I think from year to year the ACC is more consistent than the Big East.
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on April 2, 2007 11:02 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
I agree. The Big East has planted some great roots. LU and WVU have been around a few years now. Rutgers is new on the scene but could stick around - they seem to be real. I think the ACC has several programs on the rise like Rutgers, I think FSU and UM are on the verge of making strong comebacks. The ACC's version of Rutgers is WF and they could stay as well. VT should also continue to improve along with Clemson.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 2, 2007 11:05 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccq_sfTR4FY
Just a little vid I like to watch from time to time.SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on April 2, 2007 11:19 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
Judging by that video, that o-line was EXTREMELY impressive. On many runs the ball carrier got into the secondary UNTOUCHED - amazing. It's clear Trickett is a hell of a coach because that's one hell of an o-line. He said FSU has more talent than that!? I've got chills lol.
Rebel Chuck said:
posted on April 2, 2007 11:24 PM — 143.112.144.129 — link — abuse?
Everyone can quit talking about FLORIDA after Sept. 22 because they have to come to Oxford to play OLE MISS. We look forward to kicking thier butts right out of the National Championship picture. This Ole Miss team is really going to suprise alot of people this year. I thought it was so funny when Rex Grossman said that "Ole Miss is just one of those teams that can beat you once every 10 years" after he lost to us in Oxford in 2002. How did we respond? By whooping them again in The Swamp in 2003!! Looking forward to plying y'all again GATORS!!! GO TO H#LL LSU!!!!
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 2, 2007 11:35 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Diggs:
Just in case you missed it...
UF just won another national title...
And they didn't spell the school's name wrong on the shirts...
Guess that's the difference between playing in the Big Dance versus the NIT...
But hey...
Rock on West VIRGINA, right?
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on April 2, 2007 11:38 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
Probably one of the greatest athletic department accomplishments in history. UF has represented the state of Florida well. Very impressive run by winning 3 of the last 4 major college sport NCs. Congratulations Gators.
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 2, 2007 11:47 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Nole_Nation (#138):
I don't know about in history...
But Foley has done a great job since taking over...
UF certainly is the pinnacle of college athletics at this time...
But all good things must come to an end...
Eventually...
clemson1981 said:
posted on April 2, 2007 11:55 PM — 74.226.199.168 — link — abuse?
SEMINOLE_NATION post 120:
I think of it this way, both Clemson and FSU are in a similar situation of sorts. A confusing QB situation, great RB's, solid D, but so many questions.The Sep 3rd game should be interesting to see who the starting QB for both teams are. FSU's QB battle is a little toned down in comparison to my Tigers. DW and XL are your two guys, we have a four man race. Cullen "I Suck" Harper, Tribble "Never Taken A Snap" Resse, Willy "Supposed Savior of Clemson Football" Korn, and my favorite Michael "The Only Real QB" Wade. But luckily for you you have an OC who will utilize the run game, for us we have a OC that has the best RB duo in the nation and he does not even realize it. Unfortunatly Clemson will continue to pass the ball and scramble in the pocket no matter who the QB is, and wont use the Davis-Spiller one-two punch like we should. So either way in that game on Sep 3rd we will see (in my opinion) a ton of bad plays by our QB's, it will have to be a run game. But I give FSU the advantage in experience two JR's vs. either 2 JR's, a reshirt freshman, or a freshman, it should be quite the game, hope to see you there in the Valley.
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 2, 2007 11:56 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Diggs (#142):
What is it with you and name calling...
Are you really eight years old...
Maybe you should just let the adults talk from now on...
Since you have constantly displayed the inability to ever carry on any kind of intelligent debate here in...
Every refutation you have ever posted to myself or anyone else that doesn't agree or posts an opposite view from yours results in you calling people names...
What gives...
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 3, 2007 12:07 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Diggs (#146):
Sorry, Diggs, if I hurt your feelings with my "negative" comments about WVU football...
From now on I'll be more sensitive to your feelings and use a YMCA Everybody Wins Fun Time Be Positive approach to any comment you make...
Deal?
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 3, 2007 12:21 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Diggs (#150):
I thought we had decided that last night...
But for some reason you felt the need to start up again...
Doesn't matter to me...
I can continue at this pace all day long...
Or we can just call a truce...
And try to get along...
Up to you...
clemson1981 said:
posted on April 3, 2007 1:34 PM — 74.226.199.168 — link — abuse?
Diggs and gatorhippy:
Now Diggs your my man, but lets be honest you two your arguing over BASKETBALL!!!! Talk about hwo your two teams compare and their off season issues not on the COURT issues, and im still pretty mad that those damn mountaineers beat my tigers but thats another story.
Zac said:
posted on April 3, 2007 2:27 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
And so the soap opera continues... Diggs, you're a Mountaineer fan, and I luv ya. Gator-Hips, you're a FL fan...nuff said. Will you two do me a favor? Flip a coin to decide which will be the female in this relationship. Get married; get divorced, and get it over with, so we can all get back to college football. AAAAAAHHHHHH!!! AAAAAAHHHHHH!!! Ahem...
Somebody said the ACC is better than the Big East. Hmmm... Actually, I have to offer that as a given. Last year was the exception, not the rule. The ACC at one point had been more consistent, followed by a downward trend within which FSU was the only real team in it, followed by the infamous raid on the Big East, followed by considerable improvement, not to mention better competition within the conference. (VA Tech took the ACC Championship their 1st year in.) Then, there were the coaching changes. Butch Davis has taken the reigns at NC. Trickett aside, Jimbo Fisher controls the FSU offence, and the master himself, Bobby B, is still there. By the way, who took over for Amato at NC St? If it’s anyone good, that’s another plus for the ACC. Wake Forest’s resurgence was mentioned. My friends, last year’s team was not a one-hit-wonder. They’re brining back 16 players from that team; 8 on each side of the ball, including their QB, not to mention one of the best LB’s in the league.
As for the Big East, as Diggs has said, it’s a conference finally coming into its own, despite the ACC raid. (Of course, nobody said anything when the Big East raided Conference USA.) Louisville, WVU, Rutgers, and I think you can add S FL to that list. Pitt is on the verge. (I’d have said the same thing about Cincy, were it not for the coaching change, though that may be in their favor.) Syracuse must continue to improve; UConn must improve. The Big East needs a few more things to be seriously legit. Notre Dame coming all in, plus two more teams, such as Penn St & Navy, would be nice. Scheduling teams like Auburn (WVU has them in 2008), FL, FSU, LSU, Miami, MI, NE, OSU, OK, TN, TX, UCLA, or USC, just to name a few. There’s nothing wrong with scheduling teams from the MAC, WAC, or other “mid-majors”, but at least have the foresight to select the better teams.
Unfortunately, Notre Dame has their own agenda. Big East Commissioner, Mike Tranghese, screwed things up for the football side of the house with his 16 team “supper” basketball conference. (Did a lot of good this year; only 6 teams went to the NCAA Tournament, 2 down from last year.) Finally, if the AD’s don’t get off their duffs and work toward scheduling better competition, the criticism will continue. With enough of it, it’ll just be a matter of time before the BCS key is taken away, and the Big East becomes a Mid-Major. I guess we’ll see this coming season whether or not the Big East continues the good trend. We can only hope…
posted on April 3, 2007 2:34 PM — link — abuse?
Truce declared. Peace will be mercilously enforced. (fair warning?) :)
Hotty Toddy said:
posted on April 3, 2007 3:40 PM — 65.7.1.110 — link — abuse?
Post 136,
Hahaha. Now THATS having high hopes and alot of spirit. THats what i'm talkin bout.
Ain't no denying that Coach O is gettin' ready to dominate the SEC West and take it from there. The O-Zone is spreading quick, fellas.
So Cal Athlete said:
posted on April 3, 2007 5:38 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Gator Hip,
Youre 2 points are still only "on-paper" criteria!
The Wins and Losses are what matter.
Each season is different. Dont tell me the ACC is better, just because its the ACC. This Particular Season, the ACC was not very good... the Big East stepped up (collectively). As far as which conference will be better this coming year, or for seasons to come, I'd say its most likely that the ACC will be better than the Big East, but it wasnt in 2006 (arguably).Gatorboy40 said:
posted on April 3, 2007 8:22 PM — 138.163.160.41 — link — abuse?
DIGGS, POST 42, Cream puff schedule, How many teams did Fl play last year that were ranked, can you answer that? Also, you mention that they barely beat Fl-St, well you would be a fool to think that Fl-St was not going to play the best game of their season against Fl. In- State rivery, is a toss up. Also, show me any team that won the National C, and did not have at least 2 close calls. When you play in the SEC those things happen, and winners find a way to win. I could also make the argue ment and say that, those games that you mentioned should have never been that close, and Fl still beat them on a bad day. It's funny that you never mentioned that Fl beat the number one team CONVINCINGLY, that was number one all year. They beat a great LSU team, Arkansas, who won the Sec west. Yeah they won the NC, and they did not play that well all year,,,,HHUUUMMMMM. In post 25, you stated that WV problem was corners and safeties, i'm curious as to what it will be next year.
Rebel Chuck said:
posted on April 3, 2007 8:31 PM — 143.112.144.129 — link — abuse?
Hotty toddy post# 161
Are you going to the spring game this Saturday? I can't wait. I 've been keeping up with the practice reports and this OLE MISS team sounds ready and more talented than we have ever been. Probably going to catch that nationally ranked #10 baseball team after the football game too.Rebel Chuck said:
posted on April 3, 2007 8:34 PM — 143.112.144.129 — link — abuse?
I think it's funny that no one in the SEC really wants to talk about OLE MISS right now. I think that most of the fans who follow recruiting closely are a little uneasy about the REBELS because they know what's coming! Go to H#ll LSU!!!
Gatorboy40 said:
posted on April 3, 2007 8:41 PM — 138.163.160.41 — link — abuse?
Rebel Chuck post 136
You are kidding right!!!! It's good to think positve, but lets be realistic. Your football program is WEAK, by every sense of the word. As for your win in 2003, even a blind squirrel will find a nut, once in a while. Think positve, but don't set your goals too high. The Rebels just need to concentrate on their program, and stay on their level, and try to figure out what approach they will have for next year. I can't believe you would bring up one win, that was 4 years ago. You are the bottom feeders, and the foot stool, of the SEC, and will always be. This point is not worth making anymoregatorhippy said:
posted on April 3, 2007 9:45 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Gator40 (#169):
Easy big fella...
Don't forget UF hasn't won in the state of Mississippi since 1994...
And we're 0-2 against da Rebs in our last two tries...
Let's just not get ahead of our selves...
No gimmies in the SEC...
We all know this...
Even if those outside the conference don't get it...
Hotty Toddy said:
posted on April 3, 2007 11:54 PM — 209.214.145.88 — link — abuse?
Gatorboy40,
Might wanna listen to your buddy right there. No win for ANYONE comes easy in the SEC, regardless of the team. As you found out numerous times in 2006. But a win is a win, bottom line. Regardless of how hard fought it is.
Bottom feeders? Hardly. Yeah we've been at the bottom for a while, but every team has a downtime in their program. We've been there, done that, and did it AGAIN. Don't be surprised if the Rebels offset the over-hyped "perfect balance" of the Florida Gators football team and send them back to the Swamp with a big "L" plastered on each of their foreheads.. especially TEBOW.
SAME THING GOES FOR LSU. You're coming to Oxford too Tigers!
Rebel Chuck,
Nah I won't be able to make it but I do have season tickets and i'll be at every home game this year :) Can't wait
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 4, 2007 2:09 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
T-Mac (#171):
I just calls them like I see them...
And the Gators haven't had alot of success in the Blues State recently...
Hoping Urban can reverse the trend with his ability to keep teams focused on the task at hand...
I like UF's chances on challenging for the repeat turn to a title shot but first they gotta have success on the opening kickoff of the season...
Then take it from there...
That's the way the games played...
One play at a time...
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 4, 2007 2:25 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Left out a couple things...
UF has a huge hurdle to stride on defense...
This will be the key to Gator success in the SEC this coming season...
Then; if special team success continues and improves, the Gators will be in the mix come BCS time...
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 4, 2007 11:01 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Mac:
Do me a favor and hit me up at this e-mail address:
furtherprankster@yahoo.com
I got something I wanna show you...
You'll fully appreciate it...
Don't worry it ain't a hidden trannie surprise!!!
LOL
*Side note: For all you funny guys that think you're gonna flood my inbox with spam, hate mails and other useless junk...
Be advised that this is a generic e-mail I keep just for occasions like this or when I need to add an e-mail address when I don't wanna give out my real one...
It changes monthly...
Zac said:
posted on April 4, 2007 11:09 AM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
"Be advised that this is a generic e-mail I keep just for occasions like this or when I need to add an e-mail address when I don't wanna give out my real one..."
Gator-Howitzer: I take it you're one of those guys into conspiracy theories. Well, just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean we aren't out to get you. (Just joking, big guy.)
So Cal Athlete said:
posted on April 4, 2007 3:07 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
GatorHip, what Im saying is that DESPITE the "better Talent" at FSU and/or in the ACC, for example (I'm concede that in this arguement), that West VU and/or the Big East may have been as good as if not better than the ACC BASED ON RESULTS not "talent" (and arguably, it was in 2006).
Gator 40 said:
posted on April 4, 2007 5:01 PM — 210.79.148.19 — link — abuse?
Diggs/Gatorhippy 170/171.
It really disturbs me when some tries to make a point without looking at the big picture. They pull out one or two win, that was years ago to make a point. Of course Vandy, Miss St, and Miss will steal one or two wins from the heavy hitters of the SEC, but the big picture, and history tells me that theirs only going to be 6 or 7 teams that will win the SEC, or possibly the NC. These 6 or 7 teams SURELY don't include Miss St. The list is: Ga, Tenn, LSU, Bama, AU, Fla, and Ark. Diggs, you really can't call it a cream puff schedule until you see if the teams that is on the schedule will win. I don't consider a team a very good team, when they sit back and say, '(oh we beat fl) even though they only won a total of 3 games all season. The 1 win that they get against a good, makes their season,,,,I guess that is all they have to brag about,,,,huh.
Gator 40 said:
posted on April 4, 2007 5:17 PM — 210.79.148.19 — link — abuse?
Hottie Toddy Post 173
It does not matter where the game is played that much. If what you say have any merit to it, then Fl would have lost all the away games last year. By the way, what was your tigers final ranking,,,,,I THOUGHT SO. Not worried abot LSU, supposely they were the best tem in the SEC last year,,,hhhuuummmm. As for Tebow, why do you single him out, are you hating??? I know more than anyone, that anyone can win in the SEC, however I am smart enough to know that there is only about 6 or 7 teams that will represent the SEC, and it sure in hell aint miss st. It is what it is, and will continue to be. Now just to keep it real with you, ain't no great high school atheletes are going to go to Miss,,,,Check your history!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gator 40 said:
posted on April 4, 2007 5:27 PM — 210.79.148.19 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy post 175
One question for you, where have the blue state had much success? My point is, even when they won against Fl, Fl was still, a solid presentable team. I suppose that when a team like Miss St have a 3 or 4 win season, with one of the wins include Fl, Ga, Tenn, Au or Lsu, they consider that their self claimed NC. To say that Fl have not did well in Miss, does not hold water, by the way, I can say that, that did not happen while Spurrier was there,,,,oh yeah that coach got fired. Anyway, if they get some self satifaction from those wins, then so be it.
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 4, 2007 8:13 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Gator 40(#183):
As tough as it is to admit it...
And I hate to load ammo for prople to take shots back at the Gators...
BUT...
Miss has a winning record at Ben Hill going 5-3-1 all time in Gainesville...
As for Spurrier...
While he was 5-2 all time against teams from Mississippi...
He owns a 1-2 record in games played in the state of Mississippi...
The Ball Coach was 0-2 in Starkville and the Gators haven't won a game played in that town since...
(dramatic pause)
1985!!!
I couldn't believe it myself...
I can always tell relatively young Gator fans because they don't realize the struggles UF went through prior to Spurriers re-arrival on campus...
G-40, do you relize that UF owns a losing record to "doormat" Ole Miss at 9-11-1 all time...
It's even worse against some of the other teams like UT and UGA...
But just to keep us warm and fuzzy we always can count on that wonderful record we all love as Gator fans...
30-20-2 over FSU...
With winning records both in Ganesville (18-9-1) and Tallahassee (11-10-1)...
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on April 4, 2007 8:33 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
Indeed UF does. May have a lot to do with the fact that many many years FSU was a doormat themselves and UF was able to rack up a lot of wins over FSU. Going back the past 25 or 30 years when both programs were decent/good/great it's a lot more evened out. Regardless of the reason, it is what it is.
Gatorboy40 said:
posted on April 4, 2007 9:22 PM — 138.163.160.41 — link — abuse?
Gator Hippy post 186,,,,,Diggs
I would hold your horse on saying you know young gator fans. First off, if you are referring to me. I certainly remember the issues that Fl once had. That is why I am so proud now. I remember the Charlie Pell, days with violation after Violation, then they hired Galen Hall, then he comes in and do the same thing. Yeah I remember the dark days. I don't recall saying that Fl, has never had a losing season either, show me a team that has not. But how far do we go back, I think initially, I referred to post 42, when it was said that fl was lucky to win against talentlees teams like Fl-St, Vandy, and SC. We can point out little irrelavent fact all day long, about who won the most, at what place. But it is a fact that Miss St, has never been a conference power, and never will. If you look at all the 3-5 star high school recruit, see how many ever considered Miss. The state of Miss has a stigma that will stick with them forever, it goes back years ago, but I won't open that can of worms. I know that this does not sound good, and as bad as it may sound, IT'S TRUE. When someone first mention the word Miss, what is the first thing that comes to your mind,,,,,opps! It really hurt me to go here, but when someone can't find nothing but bad things to say about a National Champ team, when they team clearly have their own issues, then they are out of touch with reality. When the Gators go 5-7 or 4-8, I PROMISE that, I won't have shit to say about noone else team, because I won't rate to criticize someone els, especially the NC. Gatorhippy, you seem to be pretty smart guy. In all honesty, if you were coming out of high school, and you had the colleges all over you, and you were(5-star). Now, would you really consider miss,,,,,,GET MY POINT.gatorhippy said:
posted on April 4, 2007 10:05 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Gator 40 (#188):
No direct reference to you on that comment of forgetting the past...
Just like to remind ALL Gators where we've been and came from...
Gotta stay humble lest we look like some of these arrogant Nole & Cane fans...
Rebel Chuck said:
posted on April 4, 2007 10:47 PM — 143.112.144.129 — link — abuse?
GATOR 40
Don't try and put OLE MISS and Mississippi State in the same catagory. We have 3 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS and 6 SEC CHAMPIONSHIPS under our belt. They have none as far as I know. How many NC's do the mighty Gators have? Not trying to pick a fight but I'm curious if it is more than 3. GO TO H#LL LSU!Rebel Chuck said:
posted on April 4, 2007 11:04 PM — 143.112.144.129 — link — abuse?
Gatorboy Post #188
I beleive that your were hinting to Mississipi being a racist state. If not my apologies, but if so listen here partner. On of the best things about OLE MISS is that we have learned from the mistakes made by previous generations. I am very proud to say that Ole Miss has made more efforts to improve racial equality than any other school that i have ever heard off. If you wanna talk about those kind of problems talk to LSU and Alabama. Growing up in an OLE MISS family as well as graduating from there I can say that i have never been to another school where so many students from different backgrounds and cultures happily intermingle and rally behind two specific goals. 1)To represent OLE MISS as best we can and 2) Beat the H#ll out of LSU as much as possible.clemson1981 said:
posted on April 4, 2007 11:46 PM — 74.226.206.192 — link — abuse?
I looked at the rest of the battles and I do have to disagree with the ND battle being number one. I personally belive the Miami battle should be number one. The only reason being because really either way no matter who the ND QB is they will still be overated, while the Miami job is huge right now with there whole "rebuilding" fase going on down there, and if Coach S down there want to get off to a good start he best have a solid QB, look at what happen to the last guy.
Gatorboy40 said:
posted on April 5, 2007 12:23 AM — 138.163.160.42 — link — abuse?
Rebel Chuck post 190
I was not referring to Ole Miss, this issue started with post 42, by Diggs. The mighty Gators have 2 NC in Football, and 2 in basketball and a zillion SEC titles. I won't even bother with some in other sports. My point is: someone people should feel like hipocrits, when for the past dacade, their team can't do better than 5-7, then they criticize someone else. Like I said, when Gators go 5-7 or lower, I won't say a word, nor complain about the NC, having some close games,,,,,,,DIGGS THE MOUNTY.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 5, 2007 12:50 AM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
So Cal #180,
I do think that Tebow will develop into 1 of the more productive QB's for wins. I'm just wondering how he'll handle the pressure when it's applied. That's the biggest threat to the Gator offense this year...(pressure on Tebow).
Hotty Toddy said:
posted on April 5, 2007 1:23 AM — 216.78.66.82 — link — abuse?
Gatorboy40,
No, I think its YOU that needs to check history before you start spouting off ignorant remarks at anyone. Especially Mississippi. Yeah, the South in itself in the past had racial issues. Well guess what bro, thats in the past. Its not a black or white thing, or an asian or latino thing, or anything like that. Its about being a great athlete REGARDLESS of what color your skin is. Now i'm not gonna delve too deep into that. Just don't get me started on the racial comments, Gatorboy.
And as far the whole away game thing.. FLORIDA HAS FOUR AWAY GAMES IN 2007. FOUR. (last I checked) Geez, just go ahead and schedule them for home or at least JACKSONVILLE if you're gonna have that many. Get on the road and play some good teams once in a while, punk. In 2006 Ole Miss played at Columbia, Lexington, Tuscaloosa, Fayetteville, and Baton Rouge. In 2007 we play at Memphis, Nashville, Athens, Auburn, and Starkville. But i'll be honest. Its gonna be good for Florida ticket holders, who will get to go to an extra home game.
Misssissippi has NEVER been a conference power? Are you sure? Well, here's a history lesson..
NCs (back when it was voted, I believe): 1955 (Record 10-1), 1959 (Record 10-1), 1960 (Record 10-0-1), 1962 (Record 10-0)
SEC Titles: 1947, 1954, 1955, 1960, 1962, 1963
Now, granted.. those were a while back. But it nullifies your point of saying we never have been a power. Our bowl record is also 19-12. While Florida's is 15-18.. I think.
I will give credit where credit is due, though. You are the reigning National Champs, and we don't have anything to show for since 2003 when we won the Cotton Bowl. But it is a new year. And understand that recruiting hype doesn't mean anything until that player steps on the field in the game and shows what he's made of.
And we never get any good players? Do the names Eli Manning, Patrick Willis, JEVAN SNEAD mean anything to you? (Just to name a few)
Six 4-Star Recruits were signed to the Rebels.. just to name the top of the list. The 2008 class is looking extremely more promising as Orgeron is hitting the recruiting trail hard.
But to say that only 6-7 teams will represent the SEC is complete ignorance. History shows that power sways. All the teams in the SEC haven't always been powerhouses. Programs had to build. Some were toppled and had to rebuild. Look at Kentucky this year. The Wildcats REALLY stepped it up a notch. And granted last season the Rebels had.. what was it? I think 16-17 TRUE FRESHMEN starting. And to do as good as we did, especially with the close-but-no-cigar situations with some of the powerhouses we played, is saying something. And promising even more for the 2007/08 seasons. So sit down and learn something before you start blabbing your mouth, gatorboy.
So Cal Athlete said:
posted on April 5, 2007 7:22 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Diggs, on TEBOW... he has enough running ability to make opponents 'think about it', and thats a small but valuable aspect to a QB's game. I'll admit that a large part of what Im basing my opinion on is the impact I got from the guy in the H.S. All-American game a couple of years back.
He looked as solid, poised & capable as a veteran College QB even back then.
So with what he has around him (talented team-mates and experienced Coaches), he's set-up nicely to succeed. Florida wont be an "elite" team this year but will still be a quality team - I dont think Tebow will be their weakness, anyway.Hotty Toddy said:
posted on April 5, 2007 8:09 PM — 65.7.2.165 — link — abuse?
So Cal,
..did you just NOT see what I said?
And when you refer to the Rebels by their nickname, its "Ole Miss," not "Old Miss."
OFFICIALLY Claimed National Football Champs: 1959, 1960, 1962 (It was three, not four, my bad)
Sources:
1959 - Berryman, Billingsley, Dunkel
1960 - Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, FW, National Championship Foundation, Williamson
1962 - LitkenhousUnless i'm missing something and my research is waaay off, those are officially claimed.
Gatorboy 40 said:
posted on April 5, 2007 9:14 PM — 61.87.32.25 — link — abuse?
Hottie Toddy post 195,,,,(A hit dog will bark out loud everytime) Anyway if you see one post or comment that I made that had the word race or racial, please let me know. When you made your point about good athelets, that was very limited for so many years. Hottie, lets be real now. Lets go back 20 years as a base, for the SEC. It's been all Ga, Fl, Tenn, Au, Bamma, LSU and Ark. The facts don't lie. If you want to go back to the sixty's when they voted, all that is debatable.
So Cal Ath,,Post 197,,Thanks for clearing that up, Did think the state of MS had any, dont know what chuck rebel's been reading.Back to Hottie T,,, You mentioned that Ms-st was Sec winners,,,WHEN THEY VOTED,,,WOW. Now that's fair is'nt it. It's amazing how you accused me of bring up racial issues, when it never showed up on this blog. You must know the first hand. (LAY OUT THE CHEESE, THE RATS WILL COME). Yes history will show that the power will sway. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME IT SWAY TO MISS ST???????????????? It sways between the 6-7 teams mentioned earlier. If you want to go back 40-50 years ago, then you somewhat of a point. My question pertaining to 3-5 star athletes going to Miss st, was to Gatorhippy, I ask him, if he were a 5 star recuit out of high school, would he remotely consider Miss-st. I'm sure he would rather not comment, but it is without being said, the answer is very obvious.
So Cal ATH,,,,Post 196,,You stated that Fl won't be an elite team next year, that could very well be true, with the people that was lost, but I also heard alot of that last year. Even during mid-season, one sports writer so boldly said that Fl, would not win the SEC, and that the NC was stretching it. Have'nt seen that liar on tv since then,,,,GO FIGURE. So all these computer jockies here making these predictions, I'm you made simular ones last year, especially the famous about (Meyers system won't work in the SEC) lIAR, LIAR LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
clemson1981 said:
posted on April 5, 2007 9:17 PM — 74.226.206.192 — link — abuse?
Hotty Toddy:
If I may but into you and So Cal's argument here.
First, So Cal, Toddy there is right Ole Miss is spelled like that not Old Miss and also Ole Miss does have national titles 4 to be exact:
1955: 10-1
Massey Ratings1959- 10-1
Berryman
Billingsley Report
Dunkel System
Massey Ratings
Sagarin Ratings1960-10-0-1
College Football Researchers Association
DeVold
Dunkel System
Football Writers Association
National Championship Foundation
Williamson System1962- 10-0
LitkenhousNow this brings me to point number 2:
Hotty Toddy:
I think So Cal ment that Ole Miss has never WON in the national title GAME the national championship being voted and winning the accual game.Gatorboy 40 said:
posted on April 5, 2007 9:23 PM — 61.87.32.25 — link — abuse?
Diggs post 194
You could be right, Tebow may not be productive as for wins, that can be said about any fresman, or sophmore QB, but the odds look really good. However, if he don't cut the mustard, there are 2 more hungry 5-star QB, just waiting for a chance. We shall see.
Gatorboy 40 said:
posted on April 5, 2007 9:39 PM — 61.87.32.25 — link — abuse?
Chuck Rebel # 191
I for one, truly believe that Miss has came a long ways, and are trying to move on from those years. Their efforts are truely visible, for trying to make things right. Hell, they are still prosecuting stuff that happen over 40-50 years ago, so yes I believe that. I will say this and leave this alone. Noone ever seen anything from gator boy, accusing anybody of being a racist, however, draw your own conclusion. I can not stop noone from being what you are, or make you what you are not, it is what it is. Done with this subject.
Zac said:
posted on April 6, 2007 11:24 AM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
1st, to K-Hue: There I was, ready to put in my 2 cents regarding the war in Iraq along with our esteemed colleagues T-Mac, S-Cal-Athlete, Seminole_Nation, and a host of other veterans, and you shut off the friggen blog. Shame on ya…
Seriously, no dig against you specifically, K-Hue, but what bothers me about the war in Iraq, especially when it comes to our troops, are the pictures painted by the media. I personally work with 5 people who served over there. One of them earned 2 (two) Bronze Stars, and won't talk about it. The one thing he will say, and so will the rest, involves all of the good we've done over there. Not just improved or rebuilt hospitals and schools, but new hospitals and schools; electric power where electric power has never been, rebuilt and new roads and bridges, and a much better infrastructure. The only argument that can be made is this: There are places that need the same thing here, New Orleans, for example. Why aren't we doing the same thing here, as efficiently as there? But, you see; that gets back to our administration, not our troops. Thanks for listening, thanks again, all who've served (including my father in WWII); I'm climbing off my soap box now.
FL's Tebow: I've said this before. As Tebow has only served in a back-up role, we haven't seen all that much from him; he hasn't been really given the opportunity to showcase his talents. All we've seen is a glimpse. What we have seen is positive, and promises a lot more. I'm reminded of that QB from Nebraska, not too long ago, who could run with the best of them; couldn't hack it in the pro's. Tebow is that kid on steroids. If WVU's, Pat White, were built like Tebow, they wouldn't need Owen Schmidt. I'm currious of Tebow's pocket presence, how he throws down field, on the run, or whether or not he has the touch necessary for good ball placement. Baring injuries, we'll all see soon enough. I just can't wait!!!
Hotty Toddy said:
posted on April 6, 2007 4:24 PM — 65.7.1.85 — link — abuse?
Gatorboy40,
First off, and i'm not sure if you realize it or not.. i'm not referring to the "Mississippi State Bulldogs" but i'm reffering to the Ole Miss Rebels. I didn't know if you were just referring to the state of Mississippi, or the actual Bulldogs... just clearing that up.
Anyway, yes. We were national champs when they had to vote. We were the best then, hands down. Just like you were the best in the 2006 season, hands down. Granted a lot had to happen in order for the Gators to get into the national title game, and thank God for that, because we all got to see just how high Ohio St. raised the bar on "overrated." But simply because there wasn't a title game we played in then, doesn't mean you can discredit us being the best and being the champions then. So once again.. your point = nullified.
And in the past twenty years its only been those teams you mentioned? Listen bro, i'm gonna give you one more history lesson. You trying to discredit Ole Miss is failing miserably.
Ole Miss's bowl record in the past twenty years, when we apparently had nothing to show for:
2003 Cotton Bowl Ole Miss vs. Oklahoma State W 31-28
2002 Independence Bowl Ole Miss vs. Nebraska W 27-23
2000 Music City Bowl Ole Miss vs. West Virginia L 38-49
1999 Independence Bowl Ole Miss vs. Oklahoma W 27-25
1998 Independence Bowl Ole Miss vs. Texas Tech W 35-18
1997 Motor City Bowl Ole Miss vs. Marshall W 34-31
1992 Liberty Bowl Ole Miss vs. Air Force W 13-0
1990 Gator Bowl Ole Miss vs. Michigan L 3-35
1989 Liberty Bowl Ole Miss vs. Air Force W 42-29
1986 Independence Bowl OIe Miss vs. Texas Tech W 20-17So lets recap, shall we? Apparently, according to you, in the past 20 years.. Ole Miss hasn't been doing much. But it looks clear to me that our bowl record in the past 20 years has been 8-2. Ten bowls in twenty years. Not mediocre, not the greatest either.
And as far as the racial issue, like I said I won't delve into it anymore. You hinted at some things that are in the past and Ole Miss has moved on from it. Good recruits don't look at Ole Miss out of high school? Yeah, right. Thats another history lesson for another time. (And not really "history" either, just look at the most recent recruits)
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on April 6, 2007 4:34 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
OLD Miss - If you dont speak with a southern accent, its "Old Miss"... or just as well refer to it as "Mississippi".
Besides, when I see "Ole" I hear "Oh-LAY" !
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ole
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Old Miss - National Titles = None. Just as youre list points out. No Coaches Titles, No AP Titles, No Dickinson Titles... and as for the NCF and CFRA Title, their selections (as well as the Helms Fdtn) are recognized for years PRIOR to the existance of the AP, Dickinson Selection Orgs.
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on April 6, 2007 4:38 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
I think its a shame the the state of Mississippi has never won a National Title... for All of the quality Athletes that they produce (its among the highest in current Pro Athletes, per capita, among states), their institutions have not capitalized on their own wealth.
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on April 6, 2007 4:44 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Hotty Totty
Clemson81You cant be that liberal with which Selection Orgainzations you acknowlege as "Official". We know there is No "Official" recongnition of National Championss in College Football (not by the NCAA), but there are those Selection Orgs that are more widely recognized... stick to those, otherwise it gets too silly.
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on April 6, 2007 4:47 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
Gatorboy40 (post# 202),
I did say that I think Tebow will develop into 1 of the more productive QB's for wins. Meaning that he may not have huge #'s such as yards, TD's, passer rating, etc. etc. etc. but he will most likely be able to win......and that's what matters.
posted on April 6, 2007 5:31 PM — 64.12.116.77 — link — abuse?
KEV: Wouldn't it be great if we had a thread on here about the 'standard' one should use to discuss national championships?
So Cal Clipper is correct when he says that there is no official title granted by the NCAA. After that, it's anyone's guess. It's all hype, distortion, and inflated claims. Since we have no playoff, all these claims from a myriad of selectors continue to be made by different schools with no clear-cut template to follow.
You guys are using the example of Ole Miss. (BTW, Hotty Toddy can tell you that the word 'Miss' has nothing to do with the name of the state when you say 'Ole Miss'.) Ole Miss had some good teams in the late 50s and early 60s. By using the most liberal definition available,what I like to call the "Alabama Standard", they could claim 3 or 4 NCs. (I'm going by memory) That's defined as having at least one of a few dozen different national championship selectors choose your school as their 'national champion' that year. I think the school may officially claim one, 1960, because a preponderance of selectors choose them that season.
The system that a reasonable person and most universities use is that from the two major polls
that have been in existence for 70 and 56 years: the AP and Coaches poll, respectively. (Coaches formerly known as UP, and UPI) If neither one of these selected you, then you can't claim it. It's that simple. None of the other polls have the credibility of these. Resume embellishment runs rampant with some schools when they start chalking up NCs.BTW: Using the Alabama Standard, Auburn could claim 8 titles--the latest being 2004 when 3 or 4 selectors chose them. How many do they actually claim? One. 1957 AP poll. Atta boy!
If Auburn tried to boost the old resume by claiming a non-substantiated title in 2004, people would start howling. What's the difference in that and claiming one from 1964? Absolutely nothing.
Zac said:
posted on April 6, 2007 5:42 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
1st, some sad news: College Football coaching legend, Eddie Robinson died Tuesday at Northern Louisiana Medical Center in Ruston, La. He was 88. It was an honor to have live in your time, Mr. Robinson, and to have witnessed your accomplishments. My heart goes out to your family. God Speed, and God Bless.
As for "Ole Miss", however you prefer to spell it. While there may be some question with some of their titles, the Rebels have unquestionably won at least one; specifically 1960, when a 10-0-1 Ole Miss (won the Sugar Bowl); shared the title with 8-2 MN (lost the Rose Bowl). Now, you're probably wondering how that could have happened; an 8-2 team sharing a NC with a 10-0-1 team. I don't have the answer, but I'll bet who was ever involved has a relative who helped set up the BCS system.
As for the rest of the titles, I did a lot of Googling. The best I could come up with is as follows (Understandably, there is room for some debate here.): Ole Miss shared the title in '59 with Syracuse; in 1962 with AL, LSU, & USC. None of the usual resources gave Ole Miss credit for a title in 1955. So, I Googled "Massey", and found something interesting. In 1955 the Massey rating system selected Ole Miss #1 with a 10-1 record; OK #2 with an 11-0 record. How did this happen? Here's their break-down.
Ole Miss OK
(Score/Natl. Rank)Offense 31.39/3 35.82/1
Defense 15.43/2 10.82/7
Schedule Strength 13.53/5 1.97/52
As you can see, in 1955 the Massey ratings took schedule strength very seriously, while much of the rest of the country didn't. This represents a considerable philosophical change, given the weight schedule strength is afforded now. I find it also interesting, according to Massey, that #7 MD had the next weakest schedule at #42. Furthermore, the only other Top 10 team with a Top 10 schedule was #10 TX A&M. Their schedule strength was rated 7th. So, what does all this mean? Honestly…I don't know. The only thing that seems certain at this point is you have to give Ole Miss credit for at least one NC; that being 1960. From the looks of things, I'd have to agree they earned and deserved it.
posted on April 6, 2007 7:59 PM — link — abuse?
Zac - You know there are other threads, right? Might want to check in with the home page, big guy. ;)
Gatorboy 40 said:
posted on April 6, 2007 8:48 PM — 61.87.32.25 — link — abuse?
Hottie Toddy post 205,
I hear big dog, but I am referring SEC wins, it only takes a 7-6 record to get in a bowl game, and if you are the Irish, you can have less of a record than that to get a bowl. I don't measure an SEC as a power by, if they get in a bowl, the Gators would be much to many to list. Any how, just for the Gotors to get a bowl don't impress me at all, SEC titles at minimum. Just to get a bowl game seem to make you happy, but i guees some folks like yourself are content with that, boy, when read your bowl history, it makes me so proud to be a true Gator, from Gainesville. GO GATORS.gatorhippy said:
posted on April 6, 2007 9:51 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
SoCal (#206):
Technically the moniker "Ole Miss" is trade marked thus making it an official name of the University...
http://www.olemiss.edu/info/copy.html
This is why you won't find any print media in which it is ever referred to as "Old Miss" or hear any broadcasters refer to it as such either...
But, as far as I'm concerned you can pronounce or type it any way you like since this site isn't any type of high media source and you aren't a broadcast journalist...
It isn't offending me...
Hotty Toddy said:
posted on April 6, 2007 11:07 PM — 65.7.1.85 — link — abuse?
I didn't put any SEC titles in my post because we simply didn't have any in the past 20 years. I wasn't trying to hide anything, I was simply stating what we did have. I will lay the facts out for you and present them as they are, i'm not gonna add or subtract anything to try to get at you, bro.
When you read our bowl history? We have a WINNING bowl record, while Florida I believe has a LOSING bowl record. Just stop with the attempts to discredit something that can't be, you're only making yourself look more and more ignorant by every post, sonny-boy :) Because I sit here and throw history at you all day. But either way, I don't think it'll satisfy your thirst to try to bring Ole Miss down. So when the Gators come to Oxford.. you can betcha every Rebel in that stadium, including me.. will be chanting "Hotty Toddy" until the final score. And send your precious Gators back to the Swamp with like I said before, an "L" plastered on their foreheads. Only that will apparently shut you up, since i've backed up everything I have said so far, and nullified your attempts to discredit Ole Miss.
posted on April 7, 2007 9:03 AM — link — abuse?
No worries, Zac Man. Got you down for the BE page.
Gatorboy 40 said:
posted on April 7, 2007 10:52 AM — 61.87.32.25 — link — abuse?
Hotty Toddy 217, I believe that you know as well as I do, that your Rebs don't stand a chance in hell against the Gators. But I feel your pain, you must try to think positive. Oh yeah, as for your (sonny boy), I am not him. Those kind of phrases could get you in much trouble, if you ever said them when you was not hiding behind a computer screen. Sound just like something, that might come out of MS back in the day. You stick your foot in mouth every chance you get.
Now, you did admit that you had no SEC titles in the past 20 years. I think, in my blog, that got you started, I said that, as of late Ga, Au, Tenn, Bama, Fla, and LSU, has been the powers of the SEC. I never said that all the other teams did not have a bowl win, or an SEC win, hell a blind squirrel will find a nut once in a while. But if you check your history, see you has won the majority of the SEC titles for the past 25 years. I never tried to dis-credit your school, I was speaking what I know was true, in what I meant. No NC's, NO SEC titles, in the past couple of decades. You can't spend these facts, regardless of your facts and figures. My statement was, or let me re-phrase it for you. CURRENTLY (MS-ST is not one of the super-powers of the SEC), regardless of who they creep up on, and steal one from time to time. There are about 6 teams that comes to mind, who will play for the SEC title,,,you know who they are.
Gatorboy 40 said:
posted on April 7, 2007 11:01 AM — 61.87.32.25 — link — abuse?
Hotty Toddy post 217
I will leave all the personal stuff alone, anyway I knew you did not have any SEC titles. The only point that I was originally making was that, there have been just a few teams that comes to mind, AS OF LATE, that comes to mind when you think of an SEC winner. Nothing personal to you school, or anybody else's. I think that, that statement is very truthful. Done with it BrGatorboy 40 said:
posted on April 7, 2007 11:01 AM — 61.87.32.25 — link — abuse?
Hotty Toddy post 217
I will leave all the personal stuff alone, anyway I knew you did not have any SEC titles. The only point that I was originally making was that, there have been just a few teams that comes to mind, AS OF LATE, that comes to mind when you think of an SEC winner. Nothing personal to you school, or anybody else's. I think that, that statement is very truthful. Done with it.Hotty Toddy said:
posted on April 7, 2007 4:18 PM — 65.7.0.74 — link — abuse?
Gatorboy 40,
I want you to take out a strip of paper and a pen, and write this down..
"Any team can win on any given day. Any "powerhouse" can lose.. on any given day."
It is a football game, and I won't take it to a level its not supposed to be. But I have no problem saying anything to your face that I say on here, just so you know.
Now, you can take what I just said about the any team can win, and turn it around and use what appears to be your new catch phrase, "even a blind squirrel will find a nut every once in a while," if an unexpected team like Ole Miss downs your Gators. Well, lets say they go on to win a couple of more games. And then a couple of more.. and then, whats that? They happen to go big-time. I'm not saying just yet an SEC title, but a bowl game. Even a winning season. You would still then, probably, call it a fluke. Anything short of a SEC title or a NC... would probably fall short to your standards. Well don't be surprised if the Gators fall short of even an SEC title, and bring you back down to ground zero. So there's no point in arguing with you about that anymore. (Because.. GOD FORBID someone other than the teams YOU think should win, actually win and get somewhere! Gasp! Oh noeess!111!!!!!)
Gatorboy40 said:
posted on April 9, 2007 2:36 AM — 138.163.160.41 — link — abuse?
Hoddy Toddy Post 222, No pen and paper needed here, it is what it is. I know that any team can win, that's quite understandable. Yeah the Gators may not win an SEC title, but if they don't I will guarantee you that one of the other teams that I mention earlier will pick it up, which is what I originally stated. For the past 38 year, it was all the 6 teams that I mentioned earlier, except for Georgia & Kentucky tie (1976), and Kentucky (1950). Other than that it was: Fla, Ga Tenn, Bama, AU, AND LSU. This is fact, it does not matter if you like or dislike someones team, it fact. I am sure that eventually some dark horse will rise from the pack, but CURRENTLY, those are the backbone of the SEC, in football.
Gatorboy40 said:
posted on April 9, 2007 3:04 AM — 138.163.160.42 — link — abuse?
Zac post 223, You know I could really tell you who's stuck, and what they are stuck on, and what they can feed on. But I will keep it all football as much as I can. It's not like you will ever come face to face with the person that you are bickering with, in case someone may want to settle their issues personally, I truely won't entertain something that simple. But I wonder if people that make crazy comments, and personal attacks on the internet, have the slightest bit of guts to make those same type of comments in person,,,,,,Some people are so vicious, when they're on the net.
Zac said:
posted on April 9, 2007 12:57 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
Gatorboy40: I can assure you of two things. #1. There's no viciousness intended from my posts. I get a little passionate at times; I get a little judgmental; I even do a little name calling. I swear; it's all in good fun. Think of yourself as being in my living room with a bunch of these guys drinking brews, chomping chips, and watching a game on the big screen. (I don’t have a big screen right now, but that's how I imagine this.) Even the best of friends get upset over one point or another, but in the end, we're all still friends here. While not everyone will agree with me, this is just my take on it. #2. There's nothing I've printed that I wouldn't say in person. I agree with T-Mac whole-heartedly on that score. If you're going to print it, at least have the guts to stand up to it. Again, and as you've already pointed out, some folks will say anything. Which is why, when it gets to the point one guy obviously disagrees with another, it's best just to agree to disagree and move on. Pax Vo Bis Cum!!!
So Cal Athlete said:
posted on April 9, 2007 6:23 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Oh-Lay Miss never has won a National Title.
If you people ~believe~ they have, well then do you believe USC has just 5-Peated ?!?
2002
1. USC: Dunkel, Matthews, Sagarin2005
1. USC: Harris*2006
1. USC: Sagarin POWER Rating
Like I said, lets not get silly.
O'leah Miss doesnt have a National Title.Zac said:
posted on April 9, 2007 9:23 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
So Cal Athlete: Instead of "Oh-Lay" or "O'leah", you should have said, "Check", cause this game's not over yet. Despite my having no emotional, logical, physical, or monetary attachment to Ole Miss, I do believe in truth, justice, and even stepping on a bully now and then.
Google "College Football National Championships". Select "NCAA Division I-A national football championship - Wikipedia…" In your travels there, you will find a list of every nationally recognized forum which had been accepted for their selection of college football's elite for each year. One of them, the Football Writers Association of America (selected champions from 1954-1997), in 1960 selected Mississippi (10-0-1, winner of the Sugar Bowl) as NC over Minnesota (8-2, lost the Rose Bowl). Despite its over-all record and Rose Bowl loss, MN was selected NC by the Associated Press & United Press International. The NCAA recognizes all three of these forums, voting bodies, or otherwise groups of those who think they know it better than the others. What the NCAA does not do is sanction a NC of it own. See the following quote from the same web site:
"The NCAA Division I-A national football championship is the only Division I NCAA-sponsored sport without an organized tournament to determine its champion; in fact, while various other organizations (as described below) designate a national champion at the Division I level, the NCAA itself does not award a championship for Division I-A football."
We've all argued at one time or another which team(s) was/were NCAA champion(s) in any given year(s). The point is; none were. In other words, those champions (so designated by those groups recognized by the NCAA) are no more or less champions than any of the others. If that means USC has, as a result, won more championships than they had been originally hailed, then, so be it. More power to ya & your "U". Otherwise, in 1960 Mississippi earned its 1st, and apparently only, college football National Championship. That's not only "Ole'", or "touché", that's Check & Mate.
T-Mac said:
posted on April 9, 2007 10:11 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
So Cal Athletic Supporter, post 227. You almost got it right, but not quite. You are making progress in learning how to spell Ole Miss. At the end of your post 227 you spell it O'leah Miss. You got the first 3 letters right this time. O'leah. All you have to do now So Cal Athletic Supporter is take off the ah off of O'leah and BAM, you got it. You are progressing. I'm pround. It doesn't matter how YOU pronounce a word on a KEYBOARD!!! WE ARE typing HERE BRO. Example, for those who are hard-headed, meaning So Cal. Many people say ya'll down south where I'm from. Many people in other parts of the country say you guys. I type either ya'll or you guys. Has nothing to do with how I say it. I type it the way it is SPELLED. OLE MISS. Alright, now that I've schooled So Cal in English class I really need to do something important.
I'd like to give props to my cousin Pookie. He just got out of surgery. He had a condition called "Elephantitis of the nuts" and he had to have 1 of his balls removed!
I need to send a shout-out to all my boys on Fanblogs!!! What's Up VOLPIMP??? Holdin it down and Keepin it Real. T-Mac
So Cal Athlete said:
posted on April 10, 2007 7:26 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Zac,
... Huh?
"you should have said 'check'... game's not over"
"stepping on a bully now and then"
... Wha ???Uh-Oh, what is this?... someone's slippin...
Before people get carried away any further, this business about (widely) Recognized National Champs in College Football is a Debate all on its own. Old Miss is a footnote in that greater issue... I dont know why/how Miss'ipi was first brought up, but I simply pointed out that NONE of the premiere Selection Orgs has named Old Miss the National Champs.
No offense to Wikipediaddicts but I'll stick to the standard.So Cal Athlete said:
posted on April 10, 2007 8:15 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
TMac, seems youre flying on "keyboard courage" yourself (post 229).
Mac, so what's the matter here exactly? Old Miss. What about it? Its just an idiom, like you were eluding too - If it doesnt matter how we type things (if its about getting the point across), Why is it an Issue with people ???
I spell it out, "O-l-d"... I dont use the idiom that Y'all use for "Old"... so what about it?
(try "So Cal Athlete's Foot" in the next post TMac - it rolls easier than "Athletic Supporter" dont you think?)
And what is this?... sounds like a line from a movie, is this a real "shout-out" Mac? :
"... I'd like to give props to my cousin Pookie. He just got out of surgery. He had a condition called "Elephantitis of the nuts" and he had to have 1 of his balls removed! "
Tomcat said:
posted on April 10, 2007 8:36 PM — 68.89.128.237 — link — abuse?
T-Mac sorry to hear about your cous Pookie. There is a guy here in Austin that also lost a nut. He went on to win seven tour de France bicycle races.
Mississippi one of top teams in the history of college football. Go Ole Miss Rebels
Wheres Tommie T ? hes got all the Ole Miss statsZac said:
posted on April 10, 2007 8:50 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
"Take a step back Zac, your on a blog/website."
Right you are, So Cal Athlete. We're all blogging fools here. Or should I say, "You're all right. The world's all wrong." Seriously, though, I'm just picking on you. It's just too easy.
I have to agree with you on one point, there's a great deal of room for debate as to which forums or national bodies are worthy of championship selection, in any sport within which it is done. That being a given, and in effect the ultimate truth to this argument, I'll take a step back as you recommended and agree to disagree. After all, that's what this blog is for: Express ourselves, express our opinions. Thanks to K-Hue, and the US Constitution, we have that right.
Now, will somebody tell me why USC would even think to consider giving up JD Booty for Mustain?
So Cal Athlete said:
posted on April 10, 2007 9:21 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Zac,
Im speaking from research, looking at various sources. My stance is that we not only have to be consistant but we also have to be discerning with which Selection Orgs we recognized in determining the National Champs. (Ive looked over the NCAA site, NCAA Record Book, various sports almanacs, etc).
The Dickinson System pre-dates em all - its the first un-official Official National Champion Selection Org. It's first Champion was Stanford in 1926... Knute Rockne (of Notre Dame) asked Prof. Dickinson (the man would created the system) to apply the system Retro-Actively to the 1924 season, Dickinson did; the system selected Dartmouth as the Champs of the 1925 season, and Notre Dame Champs of 1924.
This was The Premiere Selection Org of its time (a true National champ was selected) -- the selected Champs were awarded a Trophy and the whole bit.A decade later, the AP showed up with its own up-start Selection system... a few years later the U.S. Govt requested/required Dickinson's expertise (Mathematician) for Military purposes or something... the Dickinson System selected its last Champ in 1940. The next season, he Helms Foundation would Select a Champion (prominant Selection System in Basketball).
A decade after that, the UP decided it would have its own Selection system that Polled Coaches... then the INS... the FB Writers Assn... the National FB Foundation... FB News, etc... and along the way, there were also various mathematical-based selection systems (w/varying degrees of prominance/recognition).Then there's the National Championship Foundation (NCF) which retro-actively selected the "Champs" back to 1869. There's also the College Football Research Association (CFRA) that went back to 1919, I believe. Helms chose to go back as far as 1883, when College Football first adopted the Point-Scoring system.
All-n-all there is an arguement to be made for the recognition of many selection orgs, but I think there is one strong lineage.
T-Mac said:
posted on April 10, 2007 9:37 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, post 234. I was just jokin. I do have a cousin we call Pookie though. We don't talk much these days. The last time I saw Pookie he called me a " nappy-head-Ho "!!! Tomcat, I turned around and said to Pookie," hey, I might be a Ho, but my hair sure aint nappy "!!! LOL.
On a serious side I keep my head shaved most of the time anyway. It's just easier.
So Cal, post 233. In my post 229 that wasn't keyboard courage bro. I didn't bring a specific career/job into the conversation. You know what I'm talkin about.
So Cal Athlete said:
posted on April 10, 2007 9:40 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Zac, the more lee-way we allow in this debate/process, the more we cheapen things.
The AP Poll has been a standard.
The Coaches Poll(now BCS) has been a standard.
The Dickinson System has been a standard.
Helms, NCF, and CFRA have served well as fillers, so to speak. These other Orgs - INS, Dunkel, NFF, FB Writers, FB News, NY Times, etc are in effect, 2nd-rate.So Cal Athlete said:
posted on April 10, 2007 10:33 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, yeah some people are hard-headed... and other people are malleable.
Now lemme ask you for your opinion on the matter... do you have an opinion?
Ask yourself, or better yet ask Zac why he says Mississippi only has 1 Title (post 228): "... in 1960 Mississippi earned its 1st, and apparently only, college football National Championship."
Then ponder the claim that Clemson81 and HottyToddy make, that Mississippi has Won FOUR Titles. Which is it ? Why the dissent?
(Hint: see posts 208, 210, 236)T-Mac said:
posted on April 10, 2007 11:58 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Post 239. See everybody. This is what I'm talking about exactly about this keyboard courage thing. This So Cal guy ALWAY'S has to bring the Military into it. WHY IS THIS??? It's almost funny. I can't seem to imagine a guy who has seen combat getting on a COLLEGE FOOTBALL FANBLOG and keep talking about his combat Valor. For some reason he now calls me out as a fool when I did nothing to him. Keep the Military stuff off of a College FB Blog. Didn't we just have this talk last week. So Cal strikes again. Keep the thread topic at hand So Cal Clippers. I'm not on here poppin off at the mouth about the things I've done in the service. Nobody else is either bro. So Cal, THERE ARE PLENTY OF GUYS ON HERE WHO HAVE SERVED THEIR COUNTRY!!!
Who are you trying to impress anyway? Yourself....Hotty Toddy said:
posted on April 11, 2007 12:12 AM — 66.156.174.99 — link — abuse?
So Cal,
Its all about opinions, apparently. But Ole Miss officially claims to have 3 National Championships, via selections in the past. We don't care if you or anyone else agrees, its what was selected. End of story.
TampaGator said:
posted on April 11, 2007 11:17 AM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
Hotty Toddy/#243:
I have a question for you--more like a request.
As you know, the Gators are traveling to Oxford this year--September 22, I believe. I've heard good things about Ole Miss tradition and tailgating, but I've never had occasion to par take. I'm going to try to make it up there this year for that game.So here's my request: can you talk a little about the Ole Miss's tailgating traditions, so I can get an idea what to expect, what to do, where to go, etc.? (e.g.--what's the "hotty toddy" deal?)
Hotty Toddy said:
posted on April 11, 2007 3:34 PM — 216.78.67.11 — link — abuse?
Tailgating on the Oxford campus is one of the best experiences you'll ever have. We always welcome other team's fans to come join us.. its just a feel-good have-fun time. The campus will be LOADED EVERYWERE with tailgaters and the Grove'll be packed. There's plenty of food, drinks, there's tv's in some tents if you want to chill out and watch some ESPN or past football games. When you step on the campus on gameday you can literally feel the electricity in the air. Its just a warm welcoming feeling.
(Granted there are some fans that don't want enemy fans in the Grove at all, but thats mostly with LSU and Miss. St fans)
Its just a fun time, man. I've known people that have parked at and tailgated at the same tree for 30 years.
If you want you can bring a grill or you can buy one in Oxford i'm sure, and cookout with us. BBQ, hotdogs, hamburgers, whatever you want.
gatorhippy said:
posted on April 11, 2007 4:05 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Toddy tells no lies, Tampa...
I have been to Oxford a few times and might go again this year just because of the atmosphere...
The people at Ole Miss will welcome you right under their tree in the Grove, slap a sandwhich in your hand and toss you a cold beer to chase it down with...
The last time I went was the first Zooker meltdown against Ole Miss...
On our way to the stadium, we were stopped by an older gentleman in coat and tie...
(He noticed we were dressed accordingly which set us apart from the majority of Gator visitors...but I'll get to that in a second...)
Who subsequently invited us to sit and relax with his tailgate party before the game...
We had fully intended to walk around campus as I was with some people that had not been before and it was my first trip back in years...
But instead sat around a tent for three hours pre-gaming with the most hospitable SEC people I have ever been around...
When we were making a return trip through the Grove after the game, we were promptly invited to join them again and stayed until well into the evening swapping road stories and enjoying free bourbon until I almost couldn't walk...
Class act people...
PAY ATTENTION TO THIS NEXT BIT OF INFO...
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT...
When attending a game in Oxford, you should definitely follow the Ole Miss tradition and "Dress it up"...
That is think about wearing slacks and a Button down oxford shirt at the very least...
If you really want to match up with the class of the Ole Miss faithful you should put on a tie...
Cool thing is you can still wear your ball cap or visor...
I learned this at an early age from my grandfather and is something I do for special home games now from time to time...
It will really set you apart from the "average" Gator visitor when in Oxford and really up your chances for an invite to a great seat in the Grove...
TampaGator said:
posted on April 11, 2007 6:12 PM — 64.12.116.77 — link — abuse?
HT/#245; HP #246-7:
Gentlemen:
Thank y'all for the info. "The grove" huh? I read an article in Sporting News last year where they listed Oxford as one of the best places to catch a game; that's what piqued my interest, and prompted my plan to travel to that game. So I'm just piecing things together bit by bit; plenty of time yet (Ole Miss really doesn't get alot of play around here, since they split the SEC in 2).
As for dressing up for the game--man, I wear a coat & tie 5 very LONG days a week. When the weekend rolls around, I'm in shorts (except for going to church). With all due respect, slacks and tie at a game--ain't happening. CFB is about BBQ and beer; not looking pretty...I'm just not wired that way. Though I do appreciate the insight.
Anyway, thanks again for the info, and I look forward to partaking in some of that fine tradition (...and please excuse my casual orange and blue attire in advance).
GO GATORS!!
Tomcat said:
posted on April 11, 2007 7:00 PM — 68.89.128.237 — link — abuse?
In response to #241, Hey man what I know is that the way that champions are determined over the years leaves plenty of room for debate, split titles, undefeated teams not getting a shot Etc. etc. If an Ole Miss fan says his team has three or four titles then thats cool with me. Ive heard you argue with Bama fans bout how many titles they have, really kinda silly, isnt it?
Sometimes National titles are really overated like the Trojans title in 04, Big deal you beat Oklahoma, so what, we play them every year.I honestly beleive that Auburn should be crowned #1 that year. Just like the 1964 Alabama Nat Champs lost the Cotton Bowl to The Texas Longhorns, so Bamas #1? guess so.
Until things change there will always be disscussions and debates over who's #1. I wouldnt run a guy or his team down, just because I may not happen to agree. Ole Miss 4 titles okay whatever. Hookem-Horns
Zac said:
posted on April 11, 2007 9:02 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Hey, Tomcat, did I hear a plug for a play-off in there somewhere?
"A national football championship is the only Division I NCAA-sponsored sport without an organized tournament to determine its champion... the NCAA itself does not award a championship for Division I-A football." (from my post 228)
Maybe it's high time they did. As we've said before, a play-off won't end the complaining. It certainly won't end sour grapes or debate. It will end any question as to which team was crowned NC in a given year. For that reason alone, it's worth having.
So Cal Clipper NATION said:
posted on April 11, 2007 9:10 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, well thats the thing - "room for debate"... Im on the side of the debate that keeps a tighter view of thing, closer to the standard. I think there's a bit too much "room" for debate.
And like I said, this is an issue all on its own. Anyway, its not "running a guy/team down" to say Mississippi hasnt won a Title. Im representing THAT side of the debate. (and thats even another issue for discussion; Pleanty of Talent in that state, but No Titles in any sport-- or ~few~ Titles)Btw, "I" didnt beat Oklahoma in 2004, USC beat Oklahoma... and what does it matter that "you" (Baylor?/Texas?) play Oklahoma every year or not? I dont get the relevance.
Anyway, Auburn 2004 woulda got beat by USC for the 3rd staright year had they played in the BCS game... and thats coming from a realist (ei, 2006 I said UCLA wont be a "gimmie" game for USC, that the way USC was playing mid-season, teams like Clemson, Mizzu could beat em {Before Oregon St did}, etc)
So Cal Clipper NATION said:
posted on April 11, 2007 9:31 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, even including the looser standards (non-AP, Coaches/BCS), there wasnt much dissention in 2004. Just offering this as a reference...
2004
- Southern California : AP, BCS, Berryman, Billingsley, Colley, DeVold, Dunkel, Eck, FACT, FB News, FW, Massey, Matthews, NFF, NY Times, Sagarin, Seattle Times, Sporting News, USA/ESPN, WolfeThe only other times there have been quasi-unanimous Selections prior to USC 2004 (since 1920)...
1943 Notre D, 1948 Michigan, 1963 Texas, 1971 Nebraska, 1972 USC, 1995 Nebraska, 1999 FSU, 2000 Oklahoma, 2001 MiamiSo Cal Clipper NATION said:
posted on April 11, 2007 11:44 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
TMac, youre talking on a website/blog... YOU are the one trying to call people out on sh!t as if you were out in reality... YOU are the one with the "keyboard courage" injection...
And the first time this was brought up was when you were talking about how Tough you were, "playing thru pain", etc...make the connection Tmac.
TampaGator said:
posted on April 12, 2007 12:03 AM — 216.78.67.11 — link — abuse?
Yeah you don't HAVE to dress nice for the game. Actually, thats mostly intended for the students who attend the game, kind of a tradition for them to dress up for the game. But there are some that aren't students who like to dress up too. Personally, i'm not dressing up for a game. I'm going in shorts and a t-shirt, so I can be comfortable and enjoy the game.
Hotty Toddy said:
posted on April 12, 2007 12:06 AM — 216.78.67.11 — link — abuse?
TampaGator,
Yeah you don't HAVE to dress nice for the game. Actually, thats mostly intended for the students who attend the game, kind of a tradition for them to dress up for the game. But there are some that aren't students who like to dress up too. Personally, i'm not dressing up for a game. I'm going in shorts and a t-shirt, so I can be comfortable and enjoy the game.
(btw I think I might've accidently put TampaGator's screenanme in the username box on a first attempt to post this.. I meant to put it at the beginning in the comment box.. tried to hit "stop" on my browser real quick before it sent.. dunno if it worked or not)
T-Mac said:
posted on April 12, 2007 12:36 AM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC, I couldn't care less about what you have to say from this point on! As long as it doesn't involve YOU and your Military Bravado talk! I've served, many men on here have served. YOU are the one who seems to have to prove how long your d*ck is all the time bro. Not me. KEEP IT COLLEGE FOOTBALL. Anymore of YOU posting anything about YOUR Military service and I will not respond. So Cal, YOU are talking on a website/blog...YOU need to stick with COLLEGE FB. This isn't a War Blog, but YOU keep bringing it up over and over and over again.
BTW-I wasn't trying to call people out.
So Cal, I CALLED YOU OUT!Reality check, So Cal, this is a College FB Blog. Are YOU slow or something???
I have yet to hear any of the other guys on here poppin off about their Combat Valor!
So Cal, the world doesn't revolve around YOU!
Many men on here have seen combat and been in the Military!Who are you trying to impress anyway?
What do you have to prove if you really have accomplished the things you claim???I thank you for your service, but I've been there also bro. Many men have. This isn't the place to discuss that.
The way YOU keep bringing this up, It's like you are trying to prove something to YOURSELF.
You might need to go talk to a professional. I'm serious. I'm not fugkin around. You could have post-tramatic stress brother.
YOU keep talking about War and the Military all up in the middle of a College FB Fanblog.
Anymore War, Military, talk and T-Mac will not address it So Cal. Stick to Football.
Good Luck Brother! T-Mac
T-Mac said:
posted on April 12, 2007 12:49 AM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
So Cal, You don't think I know what it's like to wake up shaking, sweating, heart racing, and hearing the sh*t goin off bro??? I do. I have that often. I exercise as much as I can to try and reduce my stress bro. It helps me. I don't know how much physical activity you get, but I hope you try bro. Many men I was with have post tramatic stress and it is very hard man. I know how hard it is at night trying to sleep and the anger. I got ya. I'll get you my email if you would like to talk.
So Cal Clipper NATION said:
posted on April 12, 2007 4:11 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
This is what I said about Florida & Joakim Noah, even before they reached the Final Four.
So Cal Athlete says:
posted on March 24, 2007 06:52 PMTMac, Florida is too good, too balanced, there's no discernable weekness with that team, statistically speaking (their FT Shooting % may be average at worst)... and they're the Defending Champs, theyre as experienced as any team out there. Joakim Noah is bad-ass, he's a Big with the attitude of a gritty Guard or something.
The only thing "wrong" with them is that they've seemed a bit over-confiedent, and maybe 'thinking ahead' at certain points... I thought they might be the UConn of last year.
So Cal Clipper NATION said:
posted on April 12, 2007 4:18 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Here you are, TMac, wired-up, making ~big talk~. Watch for the silly-ness throughout...
T-Mac says:
posted on April 2, 2007 11:30 PM
So Cal, how come you couldn't answer a question bro??? I asked you Florida or OSU. You never replied bro. What's the problem? Are you bitter because UNLV Rebels aren't playing in the game or USC??? Maybe you are jealous because Florida is going to be back-to-back Natl Champs. Florida is in the SEC. We all know how much you like the SEC! LOL. SEC BABY BABY HOLDIN IT DOWNT-Mac says:
posted on April 3, 2007 12:17 AM
So Cal, a week or two ago YOU were making fun of the Florida center Noah. You were poppin off at the mouth when the UNLV Rebels were still in it. All YOU were talkin about was basketball at that time. YOU said that Noah looked like a transexual or something like that. So Cal, I have 2 questions for YOU bro. First, how do YOU know what a transexal looks like??? TWO, Noah is heading for the NBA Draft. What the hell are YOU doing??? What Up Keyboard Courage??? Hit Me Up??You choose to get on here and poke fun at people. Be man enough to get on here and take responsibility for what YOU say bro!
I find it almost comical that YOU had such an interest in College Basketball until your team got eliminated. If YOU were a true fan of CBB then YOU would have watched til the end. Man Up Bro! Get At Me Dogg!
I know some of you guys on here might think I'm droppin it a little bad on So Cal, but I'm not. This is nothin. All you guys that are true fans of College FB watch the National Title Game right? You don't just tune out if your team isn't in the game do you??? I know I sure as h*ll don't!!!
Keyboard Courage-So Cal, let me know when YOU have had enough time to prepare your next post. Then, post it dogg!
So Cal Clipper NATION said:
posted on April 12, 2007 4:47 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
TMac - Come on, I mean, What Was THAT ?!
"What's the problem? Are you bitter..."
"Maybe you are jealous because Florida..."
"Noah is heading for the NBA Draft. What the hell are YOU doing???"
"Be man enough to get on here and take responsibility for what YOU say bro!"
"Man Up Bro! Get At Me Dogg!"Listen to that...
I guess, at that piont, I was supposed to come back with asinine trash-talk of my own, huh?
Ive said it before, "Trash-Talk" is weak/worthless; particularly when its between non-rivals, per'se. I may crack a few jokes here-n-there (Joakim Noah looks like a Transexual, what can I say), but theyre Jokes - there's not much more behind em.The funny/strange thing about this is that, TMac, YOU come out with "What-up Keyboard Courage???" In The Very Same Post!!! The Irony. Hilarious.
The best part is..."I know some of you guys on here might think I'm droppin it a little bad on So Cal, but I'm not. This is nothin."
... Thats ~Real~ Courage, right TMac?
So Cal Clipper NATION said:
posted on April 12, 2007 5:01 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
"dropping it a little bad on So Cal"... and then coming up with "keyboard courage"...
Thats Gold Jerry, Gold!
... and by the way, I dont know How you knew TMac, but I sorta did end-up not watching chunks of the Ohio St-Florida Basketball Finals... we went to a Strip Club to watch the game, do the math. But I did watch it in its entirety at home, later, if you must now.
... and also, I was at the Thomas & Mack Center (UNLV's arena) to welcome the Rebels back home when they arrived in Las Vegas from their Sweet 16-run.T-Mac said:
posted on April 13, 2007 2:04 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Zac, I don't have a problem with So Cal. All I'm saying is leave the Military/War talk off of a College FB Blog.
Zac, me and So Cal will argue for a day or two then talk football for a long time then argue for a day or so. No big deal. That's what is great about it. Everybody has their own opinion.
Clipper NATION said:
posted on April 13, 2007 5:59 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
TMac (post 269) - then dont come on here with youre Play-Ground fight/argue tactics... look for ATLaien for that type of non-sense.
Fool's trying to call me out on "courage", ON A WEBSITE/BLOG !?!... Brahther_Please.
And HE says "~~keep it about football~~"
How about you keep the sand-box stuff off the board, or atleast Pay Attention! Youre not even getting sh!t straight in your instigating...
Tomcat said:
posted on April 13, 2007 6:03 PM — 68.89.128.237 — link — abuse?
Hey So Cal #251 When I refence you or we I meant the team you pull for, you have to excuse my lack of gramical expertize. For Example USC beat OU in 04 and not that we play them every year that the team that I support plays them every year. If you dont understand than I could clarify. Please try not to correct me if you understand what I'm trying to communicate. Okay dude ratings, rankings, press polls, coaches polls and the like do not necessarly always select the best choices for the Championship games, and it doesnt matter what your so-called strengh of schedule is or what computer says what. I respect your opinion and your veiwpoint even though it might differ from my own.
I understand that you do not beleive that Ole Miss has any Nat titles, ok thats fine and I recall you argueing with a Bama fan reguarding that teams # of titles I'm I not correct?
Remember the old saying that if its not broke than dont fix it? Its broke dude especially for teams in SEC, XII and ACC. Its also broke for teams in WAC, MtW, C-USA, Sun Belt and MAC.
For teams in PAc-10, Big 10/11 and Big East it aint broke they all have an unfair advantage over the others. If I was a USC or Ohio St. fan I would be happy with the current system.
Zac and gatorhippy seem to have some purty good ideas and or possible solutions, while others seem content on argueing against brickwalls.
I really enjoy this open forum where different ideas and thoughts are exchanged.
Any thoughts on some early season matchups?
V-Tech vs LSU ?
Tex A&M vs Miami ?
Clipper NATION said:
posted on April 13, 2007 6:34 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Best OOC Matchups (best, as in more interesting & potentially meaningful)...
1) VTech @ LSU
2) USC @ NotreD
3) Miami @ Oklahoma
4) Tenny @ Cal Berkeley
5) NotreD @ Michigan
aTm @ Miami... FSU @ Florida... USC @ Nebraska... NotreD @ UCLA... Oregon @ Michigan... Bama @ FSU... Utah @ Louie... Geo @ GTechClipper NATION said:
posted on April 13, 2007 6:56 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, "we/you" thing, it was nothing. Its only that try to refrain from using "we" and "us" when talking about "my" teams... its just one of those things (not about proper grammer).
As far as the Title Selection Orgs/Mississippi... Its not about Old Miss in 1960, its about which Selection Orgs we choose as the Standard. Some have a liberal interpretation, I dont. Im giving my stance; Im on THAT Side of the debate, is all.
Tomcat, it is a messy situation... there are some AP Titles and Coaches Titles that I'VE Brought-up, where I raised the question of their ~true~ validity; mainly on account that they LOST their Last Game of the season, and there were other teams deserving of the Title (Bama 1973, Texas 1970, Minnesota 1960, Maryland 1953, Tenny 1951, among others). But, opening things up to these other Selection Orgs would be too big of a "can-o-worms" in my view... so I keep true to the premiere Selection Orgs, despite the warts.
Clipper NATION said:
posted on April 13, 2007 7:06 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Tomcat - *corrections*
"its only that... *I*... try to refrain from yadda yadda..."
Now whats this about things being "broke" for certain conferneces and not others ???Brah, think things through. In the Conferences with Conf Title Games, the Winner of that Title game gets the BENEFIT of that ADDED Win on their Resume that other teams like USC, Ohio State Never Get a Chance At!
Think things thtough, CCGs cut both ways, Tomcat. And by the way, who's forcing those Conferences to Have CCGs ?! (unless the NCAA has a rule about it, those Confs are making a money-grab, for better or worse).Clipper NATION said:
posted on April 13, 2007 7:24 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
aTm @ Miami might go under the radar a bit, but Im looking forward to that matchup.
aTm - I just might put them on my "Sleeper" list for the 2007 season. They have lots of returning players... with a veteran O-Line, that Running attack just might be the Best in the Country. (Im still leary about Franch)
Miami - I just wanna see what happens with this team. New Coach... New Attitude??? The Talent hasnt dropped-off as much as some people would like to believe.
Tomcat said:
posted on April 13, 2007 7:53 PM — 68.89.128.237 — link — abuse?
So-Cal I agree with #278 If Fran hadnt won in Austin he'd be gone for shure
#277 Ya its all about the denero, and I guess it does work both ways I just dont think the same teams ought to play twice in the same year, that kinda sux. Adios
HookemClipper NATION said:
posted on April 13, 2007 8:44 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, those Conferences should just as well become 10-Team Conferences, where every team faces Every Other team in the Conference (once).
SEC - LSU & Arkansas move to the SunBelt(8)
XII - TTech joins the WAC(9), Colorado joins the Mt West(9)
ACC - VTech & BC rejoin the BEast(8)
BTEN - Penn St becomes Independent again
MtWest - Air Force becomes Indy
CUSA - UTEP joins the MtWest, Rice becomes Indy/Non-D1A (low Attendance)
MAC - Buffulo and Kent become Indy/non-D1A (low attendance).
Zac said:
posted on April 13, 2007 10:41 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Clipper Ship - You may have hit a homer on the 10 team conference idea. Here's the problem. The NCAA (You know; that organizing body that won't commit to crowning a national football champion.) in their infinite wisdom will not allow (Yes, they determine if or whether.) a conference to have a play-off, unless there are 12 teams in the conference. This is why the ACC has their north & south; the SEC has their east & west; the Big 12 (You get the picture.). The ACC had been petitioning the NCAA to drop it to 10 team for some time, unsuccessfully, until the ACC wound up with 12 teams. However, if a conference only had to have 10 teams to have a play-off game, the PAC-10 & Big-10 (11) could join in the fun, not to mention the money. Those with 12 could afford to dump the dead wood, or leave things as they are. The Big East would only have to figure out a way to pick up two more teams with solid football traditions, and one of them could be Penn St. By the way, VA Tech would never agree to leave the ACC; they’d petitioned joining them for years before the Governor of VA made it possible. And, the ACC won’t give up BC; too big a TV market. Of course, Notre Dame will do what they want to do. One can only take progress so far...
So Cal Clipper NATION said:
posted on April 15, 2007 8:08 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Zac, the point of my proposed Conference realignment was to elimiated the, Eh hem, ~"need"~ for Conference Championship Games (as you refer to as "Conference playoffs").
When you have a Round-Robin type of format (each team faces EVERY OTHER team in their own Conf; 10-team Conf can do that), there's less ambiguity when it comes to comparing Strength of Schedules, or what have you - The Big East Conf in Basketball (16 teams!) is the extreme example on the other side of the spectrum. There was pleanty of controversy about which BEast teams were "deserving", when Tourney-Selection time came around.
No One plays a Conference Champ Game.
The sinister NCAA bamboozled some Confs into having CCGs in attemps to Add More Games to some teams' schedules, therefore strengthening its arguement that a National Playoff System would mean Too Many games that Over-Burden the Student-Athletes.So Cal Clipper NATION said:
posted on April 15, 2007 8:18 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Why did the NCAA go from 11-Games a Season to allow the addition of a 12th game this past season ?! Did anyone notice? ... hmmm, interesting dont you think...
... Why did they add a 12 Regular Season game if they were looking out for "the STUDENT-Athlete" ??? An extra game or two at the end of the season, under a Playoff system, would only affect a handful of schools...
Diggs, youre right, Im joking... Im not good at this Conspiracy Theory stuff.Rebel Chuck said:
posted on April 15, 2007 8:36 PM — 143.112.144.129 — link — abuse?
WOW!! I just got back from vacation. decided to check out what y'all have been writing. I can't believe all of the free press Ole Miss is getting on this blog! Hotty Toddy; Watched the Ole Miss spring game and Brent Shaeffer didn't look to good. Seth Adams looked great and so did Jevan Snead. I hate it for Shaeffer b/c he is so talented but he better get it together or he's going to be a blue chip bench rider. This may be the only post on this column that has anything to do with the original subject.
T-Mac said:
posted on April 15, 2007 10:19 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Rebel Chuck, post 288. Yeah, you are right about Schaeffer. I was never thrilled about him coming back to the SEC. I said last summer on another thread that the SEC defensive speed would probably overwhelm Schaeffer. My reasoning behind this is because he played out in Cali at the College of the Sequoias. He ran up very good numbers. That's not impressive in that arena. I said summer of 2006 that the SEC defenses would have him all out of his game. The speed in the SEC is crazy. Schaeffer went from driving an electric car out in the Sequoias to driving a Ferrari in the SEC. Defensive speed being the topic here! He could do something this season. I don't know. We'll have to wait and see on that. Best of luck to Ole Miss! T-Mac
P.S. Ask Ohio State about SEC Defensive speed!!!
Zac said:
posted on April 15, 2007 10:54 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
So Cal Clipper, etc. None of the current 12 team conferences are about to give up the multi-millions of dollars realized from a conference championship game. It's the reason the ACC went from 9 to 12 teams. They wanted in on that action. Now, there's no law to require a 12 team conference to have a championship game. Nor, should the NCAA allow it in 10 team conferences, would the Pac-10 or Big-10, etc. have to have one. But, you got to admit; given the money they generate, if your conference could, why not?
Hotty Toddy said:
posted on April 16, 2007 1:15 AM — 216.78.69.102 — link — abuse?
Rebel Chuck,
So I heard. I heard he only threw one touchdown pass, completed a few others, and had a good scramble. And I heard Seth Adams just EXCELLED and I believe he'll be starting most definately. I heard Snead did pretty good while he was out there, too
SEC DUDE said:
posted on April 16, 2007 10:51 AM — 76.107.127.94 — link — abuse?
Clipper-
Good call on LSU joining the Sunbelt. Despite years of tradition and the position of power they have in a top 3 conference, it probably wouldn't be too hard to get them to join the mighty SunBelt Conference. Screw the traditional rivalry games against Florida, Alabama and Ole Miss, they could start anew against directional Lousisana U. and Arkansas St. It would help recruiting too. Good call.
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on April 16, 2007 8:50 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Zac, with the NCAA expanding the season from 11 to 12 games last year, the PAC went from having 8 Conference games to having 9 Conference games. Now, I dont know the exact finacial effect, but I would imagine that if EVERY team in the conference has an Extra game against a team from their own Conf (compared to 8-games in other Confs), that would mean less "sharing" of the Revenue (from those 10 extra games) with teams from other Confs. So I think the PAC Did go for a Money-grab, in that respect.
Instead of scheduling 10 more games against teams like *Citedal, *Sacramento St, Monroe, Utah St (loading up on cupcakes), the PAC sacraficed that chance at easy Wins and decided to face 10 of their own (10 more BCS-level opponents), keeping the revenue "inhouse".
Rebel Chuck said:
posted on April 16, 2007 9:16 PM — 143.112.144.129 — link — abuse?
REBELS
Yeah Snead looked great. I was suprised by how many snaps he got. I later found out that we had alot of the countries top wide reciever recruits in the stands for the spring game and Coach O wanted them to see who would be throwing them the ball in the future. Seth Adams should be our starter unless Brent makes a HUGE turnaround. Adams didn't look amazing but he looked very efficent and smart which is just as good as gaudy numbers if you ask me. Another good point about Adams is that he grew up being an OLE MISS fan. It's always good to have someone who really cares about your school taking the snaps. Kinda like Stewart Patridge. Not huge talent but smart and passionate about winning.Tomcat said:
posted on April 17, 2007 2:43 PM — 70.249.44.209 — link — abuse?
#283 interesting post Jarred
After the breakup of the old SWC what happened?
All SWC schools with the exception of SMU & Baylor attended Bowl Games
Texas, Texas Tech,TCU, Rice, Houston,Arkansas,and Texas A&M
When looking at teams OOC schedules some XII teams schedule games with teams from non-BCS conferences, they are old SWC rivals, Examples
TTech against SMU & Rice
Baylor TCU & Rice
Texas TCU & Rice
Looking foward to the Texas vs TCU game and next year old foe Arkansas
Hookem-HornsTomcat said:
posted on April 17, 2007 2:59 PM — 70.249.44.209 — link — abuse?
So Cal post #280
How about a Texas Conference-Scary thought rightNorth Texas
SMU
TCU
Texas Tech
UTEP
Baylor
Texas A&M
Rice
Houston
Texas
Thats a 10 team conference
probably change the recruiting, to the point that teams like Oklahoma, Oklahoma St would lose alot of recruits not to mention Nebraska,K St
LSU and others
The Texas Conference would dominate the nationgatorstud said:
posted on April 17, 2007 3:38 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
very good question t-mac....let us go back to the beginning of the duke allegations...sharpton and jesse jackson stood at their podiums and condemned the WHITE athletes for what they allegedly did to that black dancer .....and then when the truth came out...sharpton and jackson were no where to be found....they should man-up and stand at their podiums again and appologize for their remarks.....it is truly amazing how much press they get when its a white person harming a black person...but, when its the other way around, or if they are wrong....you never hear from them...those two should not be allowed in front of cameras ever again...
Zac said:
posted on April 17, 2007 4:51 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
I'm amazed at how this particular blog has evolved. We began with the top 25 battles for the starting QB position, worked our way through WVU's uni-dimensional offense, the new coaching staff at FSU, whether or not Ole Miss has earned a NC (not to mention what's appropriate to wear at their games), a couple of different feuds between 4 or more of our bloggers, what opening season games look attractive, what bowl match-ups look attractive, whether or not conferences should consist of 10 or 12 teams (not to mention have a play-off), a little tid-bit on the tragedy at VA Tech, and eventually to our ole friends Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson. Fascinating!!! Now, where do we go from here???
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on April 17, 2007 7:03 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Zac, I didnt really get much reaction to my contribution here. I made an attempt at the Topic 120 posts into it (after jumping in and out of other discussions on this blog)... people just moved on... it happens. Thats what Ive been telling K-Hue?
121. So Cal Athlete says:
posted on April 2, 2007 07:29 PM
How did they rank these?
Id say the QB Battles that are most "riveting" and which carry national implications (in a combination of both) are:
1. LSU (what happens if you say Perripitzoplix backards?)
2. FSU (they may take our lives, but theyll never take our Freedom!!!)
3. VTech (poised for a big season)
4. UCLA (Ben Olson, we're still waiting)
5. Oregon (shouldnt be a battle; Dixon's the QB)
6. Miami (critical point in Miami's fate)
7. Utah (deep, solid Trio of QBs to choose from)[... the QB replacements at places like Ohio St, Notre Dame, Oklahoma are important... but the "battles" there arent necessarily "intriguing".]
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on April 17, 2007 7:09 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Zac - "where do we go from here???"
How about this for more far-out stuff...
Spurrier: [Confederate] Flag should come down from S.C. Statehouse -- The Confederate flag shouldn't fly at the Statehouse, South Carolina football coach Steve Spurrier said Saturday after the Gamecocks' spring game.
Rebel Chuck said:
posted on April 17, 2007 8:54 PM — 143.112.144.129 — link — abuse?
As an Ole Miss fan I can definatly comment on the Confederate Flag. It was long the unofficial symbol for our University. A extremly large one was brought out at halftime and almost every fan in the stands was waving one. Now personally I love the flag. It is a symbol of my heritage and the part of the Country that I am proud to be a part of. I also am 100% not a racist. When I was a Sigma Nu at Ole Miss some redneck ended up in our party and after I heard this idiot say the "N" word we kicked his stupid butt out. This is how most Ole Miss people feel. All of the Rednecks in Mississippi go to Mississippi State; not Ole Miss. Now unfortunatly racist groups around the country have adopted the Confederate flag as there own and have perminatly stained it's meaning forever. With this in mind everyone at Ole Miss has let the Flag go and you would be hard pressed to find one visible at a game. While I do love the flag I love Ole Miss much more and would never display anything to hurt it's reputation. Honor the flag privatly, display it in your home, but leave it out of the public eye. Times have changed and we need to respect our fellow man, even if he finds something offensive that we see as harmless.
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SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on March 27, 2007 10:21 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?I know which one I am following closely lol.