May 28, 2007
Preseason Top 25 Roundup
As the college football preseason magazines come out and the websites assemble their preseason lists, here's a quick look at some of the higher profile college football preseason top 25 lists.
| Lindy's | Athlon | FoxSports | Rivals.com | AJC |
| 1. USC | 1. USC | 1. USC | 1. USC | 1. USC |
| 2. LSU | 2. Texas | 2. LSU | 2. Michigan | 2. West Virginia |
| 3. Michigan | 3. LSU | 3. Texas | 3. LSU | 3. Oklahoma |
| 4. West Virginia | 4. Wisconsin | 4. Florida | 4. West Virginia | 4. Ohio State |
| 5. Texas | 5. West Virginia | 5. Wisconsin | 5. Florida | 5. Florida |
| 6. Wisconsin | 6. Florida | 6. Ohio State | 6. Ohio State | 6. LSU |
| 7. Tennessee | 7. Oklahoma | 7. Oklahoma | 7. Virginia Tech | 7. Texas |
| 8. Virginia Tech | 8. Michigan | 8. Arkansas | 8. Oklahoma | 8. Michigan |
| 9. Louisville | 9. Virginia Tech | 9. UCLA | 9. Texas | 9. Arkansas |
| 10. Oklahoma | 10. Rutgers | 10. Michigan | 10. Wisconsin | 10. Virginia Tech |
| 11. Florida | 11. Cal | 11. West Virginia | 11. Louisville | 11. Louisville |
| 12. Cal | 12. Ohio State | 12. Georgia | 12. Georgia | 12. Wake Forest |
| 13. Ohio State | 13. Louisville | 13. Virginia Tech | 13. Nebraska | 13. Wisconsin |
| 14. Arkansas | 14. Georgia Tech | 14. Auburn | 14. Auburn | 14. Auburn |
| 15. TCU | 15. UCLA | 15. Nebraska | 15. Cal | 15. Nebraska |
| 16. Rutgers | 16. Georgia | 16. Tennessee | 16. Arkansas | 16. Georgia |
| 17. Georgia | 17. Penn State | 17. Florida State | 17. Tennessee | 17. Tennessee |
| 18. Texas A&M | 18. Nebraska | 18. Cal | 18. Penn State | 18. Rutgers |
| 19. Hawaii | 19. Hawaii | 19. Boston College | 19. Rutgers | 19. South Carolina |
| 20. Wake Forest | 20. Tennessee | 20. Texas A&M | 20. Florida State | 20. Florida State |
| 21. Florida State | 21. Auburn | 21. Rutgers | 21. Texas A&M | 21. Notre Dame |
| 22. UCLA | 22. Oregon State | 22. Georgia Tech | 22. Notre Dame | 22. Texas A&M |
| 23. Auburn | 23. Texas A&M | 23. TCU | 23. Hawaii | 23. TCU |
| 24. Boston College | 24. Miami | 24. Penn State | 24. Boston College | 24. Boise State |
| 25. Nebraska | 25. TCU | 25. Oregon State | 25. Clemson | 25. Oklahoma St. |
From the list above, here's some things I think I think:
- What in the hell is going on with the UCLA rankings? Fox has them in the top 10, Athlon at number 15 and Lindy's at number 22, while Rivals and the AJC don't even have the Bruins ranked. That's a pretty wide disparity. UCLA is the only team that cracked the top ten in one poll, that didn't make it onto everybody's top 25 list. For my part, I can't get the FSU ass-whipping out of my mind. If UCLA intends to play the way they did last year (and I haven't really seen enough to think that this year's team would be better), then I think the Bruins are #24 or #25-ish projection, if they make the list at all.
- By the same token, what the hell with West Virginia? The 'Eers are getting mucho amor in all the polls except Fox. WVU gets a #2, two #4s, a #5 and.... a #11 ranking? Who exactly is doing the Fox rankings? UCLA makes the Fox top ten and West Virginia can't manage to crack it? Is there anyone (outside of UCLA homers) who doesn't think WVU would hang half-a-hundred on the Bruins?! WVU got hosed in the Fox poll, plain and simple.
- My how the mighty have fallen. Notre Dame doesn't make the Lindy, Athlon, or Fox pre-season top 25s... and I couldn't agree more.
- Put Rutgers in the "no one knows" category. The Scarlet Knights (and don't forget to say they're from New Jersey) are ranked as high as #10 (Athlon) and as low as #21 (Fox). I'm inclined to think that Rutgers may go the way of Biz Markie... another one hit wonder.
- Best unranked team - Although the crack the Rivals list (barely) the best unranked team in has to be Clemson. The Tigers have some transitions to make on both sides of the ball, but you can't argue their talent level and team speed. Clemson is perfectly capable of landing in a BCS game this year as ACC champ (and that would be a hell of an accomplishment with strong VTech, awakening FSU, Georgia Tech, Boston College, and South Carolina on the schedule, plus an ACC championship game!)
Comments:
TrojanHorse said:
posted on May 28, 2007 11:10 AM — 12.145.144.66 — link — abuse?
Kev
my two cents on your comments.. I think that you are right to bring up the WTF is with the wide disparity.. but unlike the major polls that seem to see what everyone else is doing then pick the same order... these guys actually try to do their best and don't have anyone elses rankings to piggy back on.. so from that aspect I enjoy their rankings..
re: UCLA, caveat.. my biased opinion of course :).. is that UCLA high rankings are based on two things.. and two things only.. 1.. that they return close to everyone.. isn't something like 20 starters or close to that.. and 2.. the way that the defense stuffed SC last year.. however re the Bruins, no one remembers that they still have the same offensive issues (they did nothing against sc.. one TD and two FG's on offense.. this was a basically 500 team that might be 8-4 this year tops.. they do have a friendly P10 schedule other than at SC all the good P10's come to the RB.. but still this team is top 25 but still 3rd or 4th in the P10... don't base these high rankings on the SC win alone as that was a pure fluke.. see the FSU game in the who gives a crap emerald bowl.. again a biased opinion
the couch burners on the other hand are probably highly ranked purely based on schedule where it comes down to playing no one OOC and having all the tough BE games at home.. their one tough game is at one hit wonder (your words... which I agree) RU.. it is a very workable schedule where being 11- should have them ranked in the top 5..
RU.. one hit wonder.. what can I say.. they are another team with an OOC schedule that would embarrass the globetrotters.. one tough BE game at LVille and the ease of schedule should make them 9-3 or 8-4.. so top 25 yeah.. top 10... NFW
M GO BLUE said:
posted on May 28, 2007 11:55 AM — 216.46.211.129 — link — abuse?
The Fox rankings are reeaally bad!
Listen up Fox buddies, here is what the Big Ten is gonna look like.
#1 - Michigan 12-0
#2 - Penn st. 11-1
#3 - Wisconsin 10-2
#4 - Ohio st. 9-3
#5 - Iowa 10-2 (very weak schedule) Iowa plays N.illinois, Syracuse, Iowa st, and W. Michigan OOC, and they don't play Michigan or Ohio State this year...........so I give a Buckeye 9-3 over a Hawkeye 10-2GO BLUE !!!
posted on May 28, 2007 12:02 PM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue said:
Miami is going to have to earn it in my book. There's no question that they have talent, but (much like FSU) they haven't produced despite some good recruiting classes.
I believe that this is a rebuilding year for the Hurricanes, with four to five losses being a very real possibility. There are just too many question marks for me to say they're the "best of the rest".
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on May 28, 2007 12:14 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
I wouldn't argue with that Kev, UM has a pretty tough schedule ahead of them. While Clemson's is much easier.
Kev, what's your email address? There's been yet another coaching change on the FSU staff. Have you heard anything about it? If not I was going to give you a shout. Sorry, I know that's not related to this thread.
mark williams said:
posted on May 28, 2007 3:37 PM — 68.225.36.129 — link — abuse?
m go blue:
You have got to be kidding me?!? The buckeyes will be 10-1 when they go against (Carr better have) a 12-0 wolverine squad. You know the deal from there after 104 meetings...all bets are off.
Ohio State's defense and kicking game will be stellar this year, and the offense will have a 5 year junior at the helm with an experienced (4 x letterman) offensive line. Plus with Beanie Wells whom I predict will have a 1200+ yard season. The similarities to the 2002 team are uncanny.
Expect a heavy dose of the "i" this year with a lot of clock control. Maybe if they would have played more "woody ball" against Florida it would've been a better game. Oh well, can't dwell on the past can "we".
IrishRobotGenius said:
posted on May 28, 2007 3:55 PM — 64.105.55.186 — link — abuse?
Notre Dame started out last year ranked anywhere from 24th or 29th depending on the poll. They were significantly better and surprised many people with their performance through the year. This year will be no different. In fact, this year will be even better. The Irish prefer being rated as the underdogs. Please keep underestimating them and continue ranking them as unworthy opponents, then see how the Irish do againt Athlon's #14 ranked Georgia Tech on September 1st.........
hokie4life said:
posted on May 28, 2007 5:00 PM — 67.72.98.102 — link — abuse?
#1 there you go again with the "coaching changes" FSU and Miami are exactly where they need to be at or near the bottom of the top 25. I'm gonna go ahead and buy my Orange Bowl tickets and book my flight to Hell oops I mean Miami perhaps this week. But really people the pre season rankings mean absolutely nothing but is a good debateable subject. Vahh Tech Hokies baby!!!
Tygerbate said:
posted on May 28, 2007 5:08 PM — 168.143.123.86 — link — abuse?
Sure glad to see my Tigers picked 2nd or 3rd by everybody but the AJC but then with wild eyed left-winger Cynthia Tucker heading their editorial policy why should I be surprised. Seriously though getting back to the important thing, football, my question is when did the AJC become one of the higher profile college football magazines?
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on May 28, 2007 6:03 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
Miami does not even know where they will be playing their games in a year. The last i saw they will have to drive 30 minutes or so to play where the Dolphins call home. They had a horrible season last year and a new coaching staff this year..... Lucky to even be mentioned in anyone's Top 25
I do not think the Shamecocks are getting enough "love." Why wouldn't they be in everyone's top 20? One of the SEC leaders at tailback, a senior starter at quarterback and a solid defense. They play Vandy, Kentucky, Louisina-Lafayette, SC State, Miss. State and UNC; all games they will be favored to win. Take care of buisness and spring and upset in Athens or at home against the Gators and this team could be playing for the SEC title.
I like Maryland in the ACC. The have many starters back.... they simply need to find a quarterback. No one seems to notice this team. Can you say Wake Forest?
goodolnuma5 said:
posted on May 28, 2007 6:09 PM — 65.24.221.145 — link — abuse?
mark williams post # 7
Thanks man(sarcasm), like every Buckeye fan needs to hear that.
BTW, wheres Bama? Cmon y'all, they should be better.
Regan+Tygerbate, I'm with y'all. Cards? Welcome back to mediocrity. AJC?...... What the hell? ESPN busy?
Zac said:
posted on May 28, 2007 11:54 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Well, at least Rivals agrees with my top 3, and that's about as close as it gets. WVU shouldn't be ranked 4th anywhere, let alone 2nd. Fox Sports comes about as close as where I think they'll eventually wind up, but I was thinking more like 8th or 9th, maybe 10th. WI should be right around the same spot. Though, I don't know how Fox managed to leave Louisville out altogether. I still think TN should be ranked higher; FL should be ranked lower, and in spite of McFadden, AR should be in the 2nd 10. I agree; Miami should earn it; so should FL St. Thing is, I think both will, to what extent is what remains to be seen, just like the rest. It'll be fun to see how it all plays out. Can't Wait!!!
Tomcat said:
posted on May 29, 2007 2:00 AM — 70.243.164.75 — link — abuse?
Face it folks -pre-season polls are just like elbows and a-holes everybodys got one. Some teams overated and some underated, nobody really knows whats gonna happen.Last year I purchased 6 different magazines or publications they were all wrong, every one of them.
Some of them had Oklahoma ranked real high!
What a joke OU aint nothing 3 loss team
Face it folks OU sux
Hookem-Hornsgatorhippy said:
posted on May 29, 2007 8:11 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Breaking it down...
Loaded Trojans are right where expected...
True contenders? LSU, Wolvies...
Overrated? Florida, Texas, UCLA, Hawaii...
Should be there but will shoot themselves in the foot with stupid/upset losses... WVU, Badgers, Sooners...
Surprise upswings of the year... South Florida (BE Champs), South Carolina (in the mix for the SEC East)...
OU-Ron said:
posted on May 29, 2007 10:26 AM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse?
# 18 Tomcat
Correct me if I’m wrong, Texass is a 3 loss team last year---Does that mean the cow horns is a JOKE, or in your words “ aint nothing “. This must be another one your lame ass attempts of TEXASS humor. You need to stick to fishing, your better at that, maybe.
Texass sucks
Nub’em horns
GO OU
badgerballer said:
posted on May 29, 2007 12:15 PM — 70.57.175.246 — link — abuse?
@ #25
Sorry bro, but I have to disagree with your parting statement. As has been debated on this board many times and at great length - Norte Dame will ALWAYS be in the Top 25. A 6-6 ND team will still finish the season in the top 25. We will never see #32 Norte Dame v. #45 East Carolina at seasons end, playing in the Tidy Bowl.
Eric said:
posted on May 29, 2007 12:28 PM — 208.65.57.92 — link — abuse?
If you think that Rutgers is a "one hit wonder" then you haven't been paying attention to the Scarlet Knights. While graduation has thinned the nation's 4th best defense, the offense looks to be much improved, thanks to QB Mike Teel discovering that he has some receivers who can both catch and run. It seems than only Athlon is aware of the depth building in Piscataway. It is worth recalling that RU would have won the Big East last year, had a poor officiating call not negated a Steve Slaton fumble that RU ran in for a TD. This year, look for USF, Louisville, West Virginia, and Rutgers to all finish in the top 25 and thump their bowl opponents. All four teams have improved from last year.
Don V said:
posted on May 29, 2007 2:06 PM — 204.128.192.4 — link — abuse?
WV has the weapons, no question. My concern is the loss of Trickett. My belief is that he put the finishing touch on the offense by being able to coach the linemen effectively. A lot of that may carry over this year, but I think there will be a decline. Add the fact that WV is breaking in new LBs and I can buy them at #11 - if you're predicting end-of-year records. I could see them losing two out of three to USF (away), Louisville (home) or Rutgers (away). Wouldn't bet the house on it, but well within the realm of possibility.
The Mayor said:
posted on May 29, 2007 2:56 PM — 24.7.49.173 — link — abuse?
Here's a great article about a new policy Coach Paterno has started at PSU. Check it out!
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=dw-paterno052207&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Eye of the Tiger said:
posted on May 29, 2007 3:17 PM — 138.163.0.43 — link — abuse?
I don't know what to think on these polls. Too early to tell, and all of these teams are worthy. One thing I think everyone can agree on is USC is the clear favorite with LSU close behind. Also, I would raise serious doubts to any poll that doesn't have at LEAST 3 teams from the SEC in the top ten. That's just the way life works, and this year will be no different with a possible 4 SEC teams in the top ten by seasons end.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on May 29, 2007 3:36 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
K Donny, the losses on the West Virigina O-Line were major. Thats gonna affect the White/Slaton production.
Im thinking FoxSports will prove to be closer to what West VU is gonna turn-out to be this year (beware of So Flo in the BEast). There are pleanty of Major-Program schools that are gonna bounce back from a lack-luster 2006 season.
... having said all that, I still like/root for Coach Rich Rodgriguez.And Kevin, your projection of "half a hundred" that WestVU would score on FUCLA is Mis-Guided (in light of recent developments). WestVU didnt score 50 on any opponent last year (in Div1A), and UCLA didnt allow 50 to any opponent. Also, West VU is DEPENDENT upon the Run-Game... UCLA had the 9th best Rush-Defense in the Country, and they return practically everyone for 2007 (though, they do lose one of their All-American DLs, Justin Hickman). "Styles make Fights"... well, "Matchups make CFB Games" (genearlly speaking, ofcourse).
Tomahawkeer said:
posted on May 29, 2007 3:44 PM — 69.43.42.16 — link — abuse?
Things that stand out to me:
1. UCLA is way overrated in the fox poll. I see them somewhere around the #15 to #18 range
2. Leaving Louisville out of the top 25??? What is fox thinking. Yes they have a new coach, but the core of thier potent offense is back. They may not win the Big East, but they will play anybody close in the nation, including WVU, Rutgers, and South Florida, which will all be tough close games for them.
3. Arkansas, extremely overrated in the Fox and AJC polls, hell they may even be overrated in the others as well. I think by the end of the season, Arkansas is going to have a very difficult time making the top 25 due to thier schedule. I also belive that because of this, Mcfadden doesnt win the Heisman.
4. Texas, at #2, #3, #5, #7, ok? I realize that they are "Texas", but they dont play hardly anybody, and how many games did they lose last year playing basically nobody (with the exception of Ohio State)? Exactly! Do I think they are a good team, sure, do I think they are top 10? Possibly, but I think I would rank them somewhere between 10-13 at the end of the season, depending on how they handle the entire season.
5. Since im a WVU fan, ive got to put at least some type of blurp in here for them. Being ranked #11, as well as #2 are both kind of rediculous. Do I think that WVU is good enough to be #2, absolutely, do I think they are bad enough to be #11, no I dont. Do I think #2 is correct, no I dont, at least early in the season. WVU has 3 huge tests, 2 of which are on the road (Rutgers and Fouth Florida), with Louisville at home. There are some questions about how good is Rutgers going to be after losing a big chunk of thier #4 defense, as well as Brian Leonard. If Mike Teal plays an entire season like he played the end of last season, they will certaily be difficult to beat, espically with Ray Rice and his running style. South Florida runs a very fun version of a spread offense with a very athletic QB, and with thier overall team speed, they can hang with anybody in the country. Louisville is just that, basically everybody coming back except the coach, there isnt a good reason why they shouldnt be considered, unless its just that, a new coach. It should be a fun and exciting year, and I will be hoping that WVU pulls it out in the end. I guess we will have to wait and see.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on May 29, 2007 3:50 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
SEMINATION, Rivals has Arkansas at No. 16
K-Donny, like Regan(9) and Adam (21) have pointed out, Louisville is another team that "cracked that top ten in one poll, that didnt make it onto everybody's top 25 list".
If youre gonna add your personal editorials to these articles, Donny, you might wanna double-check your work.
OU Fan said:
posted on May 29, 2007 4:05 PM — 84.146.63.18 — link — abuse?
OU-Ron post 24, good point. Tomcat, I just have to comment on OU-Ron's post. "What a joke OU aint nothing 3 loss team," OK Smartguy, what about Texas?? Were they not also a 3 loss team?? Tomcat, that was a very intelligent and persuasive post. SYKE! What an idiot! And wasn't TEX-ASS ranked like number 2 or 3 at the beginning of last seasons preseason polls?? And what did they finish at? GO SOONERS!!
M GO BLUE said:
posted on May 29, 2007 4:15 PM — 216.46.211.106 — link — abuse?
#7 Mark Williams - My reason for predicting a 9-3 season for the Buckeyes, is based upon them losing their QB,RB,#1 and #2 WR, that my friend is a HUGE loss, and no matter how good the bench warmers are, we really don't know how they will perform.
As for the Buckeye defense, I was not impressed with the Buckeye D in their last two games of the season.
Here is the Buckeye schedule and my humble predictions.
Youngstown state - W
Akron - W
at Washington - W
Northwestern - W
at Minnesota - W
at Purdue - W
kent state - W
Michigan state - W
at Penn state - L
Wisconsin - L
illinois - W
at Michigan - L 9-3I feel that a 9-3 season would be good having lost most of their big playmakers.
BayouBengal said:
posted on May 29, 2007 4:29 PM — 72.149.254.106 — link — abuse?
Well it looks like we might finally get to see that LSU & USC matchup that everybody wanted back when LSU won Natn'l Chmpshp in 03'. Your going down Pete Caroll, the mighty LSU deffense will again reign over college football and bring the Natn'l Chmpshp back to the "RED STICK" where it belongs!!!!
R.I.P. Marquise Hill, we love you, and we thank you for everything you gave to LSU.
Longhorn Mike said:
posted on May 29, 2007 4:33 PM — 65.30.44.104 — link — abuse?
I'd have to agree with the pundits: USC IS the team to beat......and that's tough to admit when you are a Longhorn fanatic, like I am. The program that has been built (maybe the word "bought" is more appropriate- See Reggie Bush) is simply the best in NCAA Div I. They are the gold standard, especially when you consider all of their national football championship trophies and Rose Bowl victories. However, it might be wise to look over your shoulders, Trojan fans, because that team of under-achievers in South Bend will be salivating to play you this year. As for UT, I think it will be tough for us to finish the season undefeated. A&M will have something to say about that; and Stephen McGee seems to save his best games of the season for when he plays us. I would also expect that Bob Stoopes' eternal "smirk" will disappear when OU gets beaten three times this season. As for the woeful Big XII North....well, once again they are the WEAK LINK in the BIG XII. They say these things run in cycles. It looks to me like the Big XII North is suffering through a 7 year down-cycle in football.....eerrghhh... make that ALL SPORTS. The South has, indeed, risen again. At least, the Big XII North has a permanent franchise on the men's basketball trophy with KU's juggernaut. Now, that's what I call an impressive program. As for the other "North" teams......sorry. Maybe, it would be wise for Mizzou; Colorado; Iowa State and K-State to form a cluster and apply for the Mountain West or WAC. Those conferences need more schools and your teams MIGHT be on parity with regard to talent, funding and facilities to participate in the non-BCS conferences. I know, that's harsh. OK, you can take Okkie State, as well.
pip said:
posted on May 29, 2007 5:25 PM — 69.155.122.39 — link — abuse?
Jarred, every since last year (and I have to assume before) you are just so anti-hawgs yet you claim to be a razorback.. show some school spirit man.
we will beat bama and SC. (bama will be strong by the end of season.. but they won't have their kinks lined out yet)
SC will be strong, but it's a home game for us if I'm not mistaken.. it's our game.
our team is strongest mid-season .. both Tennessee and Auburn fall into that stretch.. we won't lose both of those and have a good chance of winning both.
we LITERALLY have the easiest schedule in the SEC with 8 home games.
In summation there is little chance of us going 8-4.
LSU will be tough to beat.. we'll have to play at the top of our ability and have a near perfect game.. but they are beatable.
we should be ranked top 20 preseason.. those giving us the 8 and 9 ranking are too kind.. you don't lose your bowl game and get a ranking like that.. 15-20 is where it should be.. and that's perfect.. if we win threw the Auburn game we will probably break into the top 10, at least the top 12 which will put us in a great spot for the hunt for a BCS bowl game.. and that's all you can ask for.
Have faith in your Hawgs!
pip said:
posted on May 29, 2007 5:39 PM — 69.155.122.39 — link — abuse?
I just wanted to quickly back up my claim that Arkansas has the easiest schedule this year in the SEC.
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=212492
A decent team with an easy schedule means there is no way we are going 8-4Tomcat said:
posted on May 29, 2007 7:29 PM — 70.243.164.75 — link — abuse?
Hey Guys found another one CSTV preseason poll
One thing in common USC #1 on all of them
1.USC
2 LSU
3 Mich
4 W Vir
5 Wis
6 Tex
7 Cal
8 Fla
9 Louis
10 V Tech
11 OU
12 RU
13 A&M
14 PSU
15 Ark
16 AU
17 UGa
18 BC
19 TCU
20 Neb
21 Ohio st
22 Tenn
23 KY
24 UCLA
25 S Car
#35 Tomahawker Texas plays hardly anybody, well depending on which poll you use according to this one the Horns play 4 top 25 teams
looks like the Gamecocks have one of the toughest schedules
Ul Laf
@ UGa
SC St
@LSU
Miss st
Ky
@ NC
Vand
@ Tenn
@ Ark
Fla
Clem
6 or 7 top 25 opponents depending on which polls you use 4 on the road
Ok St 2007
@ UGa
FAU
@ Troy
TTech
SHSU
@ A&M
@ Neb
K St
@ OU
UT
KU
@ BU
5 top 25 teams 4 on the road
Notre Dame 2007
GT
@ PSU
@ Mich
Mich st
@ Purdue
@ UCLA
BC
USC
Navy
Air F
Duke
@Stanford
5 top 25 teams 3 on the road
Hogwild said:
posted on May 29, 2007 8:58 PM — 66.177.101.205 — link — abuse?
No Hogs on the Athlon Poll?Are they serious?Our schedule is weak and we have the best running game in the SEC hands down.We lost 4 games Last year USC, LSU, WIS, and Florida all of which where top ten teams. and 3 of those loses were by less than a touchdown.
GO Hogs!!!
GA Boy said:
posted on May 29, 2007 9:57 PM — 66.110.197.20 — link — abuse?
IrishRobot. Notre Dame did not suprise anyone who watches college football. They played exactly like we all thought they would. Won the ones they should have one and lost the ones that they should have won if they were really at top 10 team.
EaglesNest Post 29. You have lost your mind, but since you are acting knuts, I will join you. UGA wins the NC this year and Stafford wins the Heisman. Oh yeah and I am going to get the Republican nomination for President. Get real dude!
Hey tomcat, what's the scoop on the Cowboys? I think the Dawgs will put about 200 yards rushing on them and handle them easily. One thing we have is a good secondary and I don't see them getting the passing game going on us. What do you think?Jarred said:
posted on May 29, 2007 10:38 PM — 12.178.128.76 — link — abuse?
I'm trying to be realistic. We almost lost to Bama and Vandy. Ainge was hurt in the Tenn game, probably wouldn't have mattered, and Mitchell almost got us in the second half of the South Carolina game. Arkansas has lost 4 straight in Baton Rouge, 3 of 4 in Tuscaloosa, and 3 straight in Knoxville, under Nutt.
Muley said:
posted on May 29, 2007 11:06 PM — 65.171.115.223 — link — abuse?
For Longhorn Mike - K-State beat you last year and may do it in Texas this year!!!!!!!! They are rebuilding - But definatly are better than several of your south cronies!!!!!!!!! I agree with So Cal USMC that K-state is one of the best unranked - and will be rank by the end of the year.
DONALD said:
posted on May 29, 2007 11:07 PM — 68.9.235.17 — link — abuse?
Rutgers a one hit wonder? Unlikely, given that one evaluation ranks this year's offensive line as number 5 in the nation and the defensive line as number 3 in the nation. And the offense is still amazing.
Rutgers is here to stay.
T-Mac said:
posted on May 30, 2007 2:08 AM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Arkansas has a VERY favorable schedule this season. Arkansas has their toughest SEC games at home. Arkansas has a strong running game.
Good things to have.
Arkansas doesn't have a Quarterback.
D-Mac will not get it done alone on offense.
He will face 8-9 man fronts all season.
2007 will be a year of Defense in the SEC.
Many SEC teams had young defenses last year.
This season SEC defenses will kick it.
LSU, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn.
Not necessarily in that order.
Arkansas goes 7-5 in 2007.
2006 is OVER.
Yes, Arkansas won the West in 2006.
2006 is a Memory. It's 2007.
D-Mac can't win the SEC West by himself.
Not gonna happen.
With even mediocre QB play Arkansas wins 8.
Captain Save The World Mustain is Gone.
Mustain is gone...to USC.
Arkansas is back to being a Mid-Tier SEC team.
Not hatin. Droppin notice.
2007. Stop D-Mac. You stop Arkansas.
Simple as that. It's not rocket science.
Coach Nutt lost his franchise player.
I'm sorry he did.
Arkansas had a shot at winning the West.
Winning the West with Mustain and D-Mac in 2007.
Not gonna happen now though.
LSU wins SEC West in 2007.
SEC West 2nd place is a toss-up.
Auburn and Alabama.
Bama has the best Rec Corps in the SEC.
One of the best in the Country.
DJ Hall, Keith Brown, Nikita Stover.
To name a few.
Counting Bama out at this point is foolish.
SEC games will be fun again this season.
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McDuck said:
posted on May 30, 2007 7:26 AM — 198.237.180.60 — link — abuse?
What nimrod at Athlon dared to stick the OS Beavers as high as 22? C-mon, man, you're killing me. Ya, sure...they (barely) beat USC...and they barely beat the Ducks in the Civil War...and they barely beat Mizzou in the Sun Bowl last year...all those barely beatings does not a #22 ranking make!!! They shouldn't be ranked at all!!!
posted on May 30, 2007 8:42 AM — link — abuse?
@38 SoCal - No disrespect to the corporate overlords, but -- of the five -- I really give the least sway to the Rivals poll, especially in terms of distribution. And thus my statement that Clemson was the best unranked.
McDuck said:
posted on May 30, 2007 10:55 AM — 198.237.180.60 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy (posting #40)...OS (as they're calling themselves now) are ranked...twenty-fricking-two by Athlon, and twenty-fricking-five by Fox Sports...but you're a Gators fan, man...why would you even consider wanting the Rodents ranked?
go blue said:
posted on May 30, 2007 11:57 AM — 192.212.253.17 — link — abuse?
Everybody that's hating on Texas-you do realize Colt got hurt for the last two regular season games right?
Michigan has also been suffering some pretty random problems throughout the offseason. They looked good earlier this year, but now they have a bunch of question marks. I think they would need to earn their way up by beating Wisc and OSU. Plus, who really wants Trent as their star CB? Nonetheless, go blue!
TampaGator said:
posted on May 30, 2007 12:08 PM — 64.12.116.77 — link — abuse?
Re. CU Tiger's #12:
_________________________________________________
"...Miami does not even know where they will be playing their games in a year. The last i saw they will have to drive 30 minutes or so to play where the Dolphins call home...."
_________________________________________________Are they tearing down the OB? Buiding a new stadium? I haven't heard a damn thing about this. Can anyone verify this? Add details?
Thanks.
GO GATORS!!rlsecret said:
posted on May 30, 2007 1:36 PM — 168.216.188.148 — link — abuse?
wv will score 50 per game...there backs ave.4.27 in 40 and there future draft pick,schmidt,a 250 lb 6-3 back is being moved to tight end to make room for a 4.125 frosh back to go with slaton and white...unbelievable!!!!south fla or rut. wont surprise them this year and they will handle l-ville at home...not bad for a team that represents a state with maybe 2 div 1 players...texas,so cal,etc have maybe 400 to pick from..wv gets leftovers...how good is rodriguez...wv is the cinderella team last two years in america in both football and bb
Gerbs said:
posted on May 30, 2007 2:04 PM — 75.111.222.214 — link — abuse?
I find it incredibly stupid that a team would/could be ranked high beacuse of who they play. You can't judge how good one team is because they play a weak schedule. That makes no sense. If anything, you have no idea how good they are because they don't play tough competition. That being said, watch some film from last year and you'll know that Steve Slaton and Pat White are the real deal. WVU should be #5 until they start winning by 7 over Cincy, Uconn, etc. The 17 point comeback win over Georgia Tech and their "vaunted defense" in the Gator Bowl should speak louder than their schedule of games.
J Boe said:
posted on May 30, 2007 2:15 PM — 209.192.119.136 — link — abuse?
I just got to say something about WVU, I know that they have been hyped to death by seemingly everyone, but I just can't believe they are a top 10 team. First of all, as mentioned by a WVU fan, they have "3 huge tests this year". He was speaking about Rutgers, South Florida and Louisville!!!! These might be huge tests in the Big East, but give me a freaking break. These teams would qualify as homecoming opponents for some teams. I know that they had decent 2006 seasons, but show me some quality wins before you qualify them as "huge tests". Putting teams with weak ass schedules in the top 5 just makes preseason polls even more of a joke. I am sorry to all the Louisville, Rutgers and WV fans on this site, but noone outside of the Big East will ever want you in a National Championship, period! You won't deserve it.
maurice said:
posted on May 30, 2007 2:27 PM — 204.117.78.97 — link — abuse?
Here are The BCS Preseason Predictions
pip said:
posted on May 30, 2007 2:27 PM — 69.155.122.39 — link — abuse?
T-Mac post 56. For the last 2 years all I have heard is we are going to stop Dmac and shut you guys down and we are going to win... it hasn't happened yet and they have known what is coming.. and f they slow him down Jones takes off around the outside. Granted this will all be a lot easier if our passing game comes along.. but if for two years they haven't been able to stop our backs, do you really think their defense has gotten so much better that they will stop them this year?
So Cal USMC said:
posted on May 30, 2007 2:34 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
The So Cal USMC Pre-Season Tier-Rankings:
1 - USC
2 - Texas, Michigan, LSU, VTech
3 - Wisconsin, Florida, Cal Berkeley, aTm, Ohio St, Tennessee, Geo
4 - Rutgers, Miami, FUCLA, Clemson, Auburn, FSU, WestVU
5 - Boise St, Maryland, Oregon, Alabama, Oklahoma, Arizona, Nebraska, Hawai'i, USF, Mizzu, S Carolina, Arizona St, Louie, Notre Dame
6 - Iowa, Utah, So Miss, TTech, Boston, BYU, Purdue, Oregon St, TCU, Arkansas, Kansas St, UNC, Penn St, Kentucky, Virginia
7 - Fresno St, Colorado, GTech, Michigan St, Wazzu, San Diego St, Wake Forest, Mississippi, San Jose St, Washington, Illinois, W Michigan, Stanford
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 30, 2007 2:49 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
TampaGator: Miami is in contract talks to have their home games moved to Dolphins Stadium (aka Joe Robbie Stadium, Pro Player Stadium, or what ever it will be know as by the time 2008 comes around) starting in either 2008 or 2009. Dolphins Stadium officials have drawn up the official contract, but no move is going to be made before the board of trustees meetings that are scheduled for the upcoming weeks.
The City of Miami is not willing to upgrade the Orange Bowl, so UM is looking for a newer stadium to host their games.
Some people are opposed to the move which will add an additional 45-60 minutes of travel time, but as UM has pointed out the number of alumni within 20 miles of both stadiums is nearly equal (41,000 for the OB; 40,000 for Dolphin Stadium).
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 30, 2007 2:53 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
I can't believe that only one of these would have the Hurricanes in the top 25. On a side note, not being ranked in the preseason top 25 might be a good thing for the program as it will put a chip on their shoulder and they should play like they have something to prove. With the returning players they have, there should be no way that the Hurricane defense doesn't finish in the top 5 and that should give Miami enough to be a top 25 team even without an offense.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on May 30, 2007 3:18 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
The Best Teams not "ranked" in these 5 selective rankings (correct me if any of these are ranked Kevin)...
Maryland - over-achieved in '06, now good/experienced in '07
Oregon - RB Stewart/QB Dixon make-up for lack of depth
USF - quality Coach, improving talent, good timing
Mizzu - the team's on the back of QB Chase Daniels
Arizona - Stoops is really putting things together
So Miss - solid, like always; experienced
ASU - depending on Erickson's imediate impact
Kansas St - I might be a year early on them, but watch QB Freeman & Coach PrinceTeams that are probably "Over-Ranked" in these Preseason Rankings...
Wake - less of the extraordinary depth/exp of '06
WestVU - it all depends on that O-Line
Oklahoma - Who is in their Backfield???
Arkansas - key losses on Defense, coaching turmoil
posted on May 30, 2007 3:42 PM — 205.188.116.201 — link — abuse?
So Cal: The AJC poll (Atlanta Journal and Constitution, aka Atlanta Urinal and Constipation) is put together by Tony Barnhart, AJC college football writer and contributer to various TV networks. He's respected in the South for his views, I'm sure few have heard of him elsewhere. He's pretty even-keeled, though.
I bet there will be 300 posts on this thread debating who's ranked what. See ya once they play them out!
So Cal USMC said:
posted on May 30, 2007 3:45 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Pip, post 47,
Your right about Arkansas' schedule, I pointed that out weeks ago, myself.
I think they want to join the Sun Belt Conference or something...
Arkansas' OOC:
Troy (Home)
NoTexas (Home)
Florida International, "FIU" (Home)
*Chattanooga (Home)TampaGator said:
posted on May 30, 2007 3:51 PM — 64.12.116.77 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane/#69-70:
I apreciate the info. That's a shame; I loved the Ob; whole lotta' character. As for the area--I don't think it's that bad. Great Cuban food around there; pork on a stick, things like that...no where but the OB. And dolphin stadium is in the middle of no where; one of the most generic stadiums....
Oh well; all great traditions come to an end...
(I wonder what would become of the OB, if no one uses it?)
GO GATORS!!So Cal USMC said:
posted on May 30, 2007 4:01 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
McDuck, Id say O State is right below the Top 25. QB Matt Moore seemed to really 'lead' that team, but they isnt RB Yevenson Bernard is still around? WR/PR Stroughter? That LB-crew -Doggett, Darlin- might be 2nd best in the conference.
ssortsguy said:
posted on May 30, 2007 4:16 PM — 69.247.108.224 — link — abuse?
USC # 1 yea right they don't even play defense in there conference. Bama will be better then most expect LSU probably has the most talent in the nation but they also have Les Miles and he will lose at least two games on his coaching alone and i think Arkansas will flop
Bleed Crimson said:
posted on May 30, 2007 4:55 PM — 72.146.1.47 — link — abuse?
WHAT!!!
ARKANSAS DOESNT DESERVE A TOP 25 SLOT. THEY BLOW!!! Sure they have Darren McFadden. As for the rest of the team, i would prefer Rice as a supporting cast.
Also, LSU and Florida are overrated. In the top 25 from the SEC, it should be:
Auburn
Tennessee
LSU
Georgia
(maybe) Florida
(maybe) Alabamain that order, scattered throughout.
OU Fan said:
posted on May 30, 2007 5:02 PM — 84.146.34.153 — link — abuse?
So Cal post 72, whos's in Oklahoma's backfield?? Only the 2 running backs who picked up the load after Peterson got hurt last season. And then there will be another RB from the Vegas area named DeMarco Murray who is an absolute stud. OU is set at RB. As far as QB, like OU-Ron said on a different blog that I cannot recall, its the talent that will surround OU's new QB that will help him to become a better player and that talent will also help the Sooner offense to achieve great things. About 90 percent of that talent who surrounded Paul Thompson last season will surround OU's new QB this season. And OU's new QB will have plenty of time to prepare. Just look at what Paul Thompson accomplished, and he had 1 month to prepare. Give credit to Coach Heupel. GO SOONERS!!
'Cane Mutiny said:
posted on May 30, 2007 5:51 PM — 65.9.252.92 — link — abuse?
Man, I hope the Canes don't leave the OB...by far the most unique football stadium in the planet. Where else can you walk five minutes and grab a Cuban coffee? But they will be in the Orange Bowl for next year for sure, last I heard.
..It's great to be a Miami Hurricane..
gatordstud said:
posted on May 30, 2007 6:33 PM — 71.115.15.107 — link — abuse?
ok..i'm back from vacation....WHAAAAAT.....three of these polls have florida in the top 5....interesting.....as much as i love the polls...i really believe florida is going to have to earn that high ranking......we lost a lot of talent last year, and tebow really isn't battle tested yet.....the third week of our season will tell us gator fans exactly where we are at....tennessee will give us a stern test....
and fsu is in in four of the five.....miami is only in one......they boths should be in all five......and ohio state shouldn't be in the top ten...they lost too much talent....
so, all-in-all, these polls suck...don't mean a thing, cause it's all gotta be played out on the field.....it's not where you start that matters...IT'S WHERE YOU FINISH, BABY......
and for the hurricanes to even think about leaving the ORANGE BOWL.....that would be a travesty...an injustice to the fans of that school, and alum of that school......
miami hurricans--orange bowl.....it's like peanut butter and jelly...it's just natural that they go together....
go gators...and hokies
Boilermaker said:
posted on May 30, 2007 7:19 PM — 128.146.93.87 — link — abuse?
M GO BLUE
I agree with you for the most part. Except I believe the Buckeyes should have a goose egg in the loss column going to ann arbor. Their schedule is very promising. Penn state will be non factor, morelli isn't the answer there, a win against wisconsin at home will be a must for OSU since they have owned tressel. Should be another classic OSU vs. UM battle for the title game!! Gotta love the rivalryT-Mac said:
posted on May 30, 2007 7:24 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Bleed Crimson, post 79. Bro, I'm a Tide fan also, but you gotta be realistic. LSU isn't overrated dogg. If Flynn stays healthy and with that defense they have coming back this season, LSU wins the SEC and I see it as an LSU/USC National Title Game. Now, much could happen from now til then, but LSU is gonna be strong.
On a side note. Let's not get ahead of ourselves with where Bama is ranked. They should be much improved, but they are coming off a 6-7 season. They also have FSU as an OOC opponent this season. There wont be anymore 6-7 seasons, but it will take a little time. Their schedule is great. The passing game will be off the hook. The defense should be much better. BC, the thing I have questions about on Bama is the running game and special teams. Bama will go bowling this season...it's just a matter of how many games they win.
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eagle said:
posted on May 30, 2007 8:05 PM — 69.124.138.94 — link — abuse?
The Boston college Eagles will win the ACC Championship game against VaTech. then, they'll go against West Virginia in tha Orange Bowl. They'll win that too. They have a potential sleeper in the Heisman race with QB Matt Ryan, who played on a broken left foot ankle last season and still managed to get almost 3,000 yards passing and be first team ACC quarterback. On Defense, they're lead by 5-star recruit, senior linebacker Brian Toal and Dejaun Tribble who got 7 INTERCEPTIONS last season and returned 3 for touchdowns, as well as future first team acc safety Jamie Silva. Also, did I mention that they return 18 starters on a team that lost its 3 games last season by 2,3, and 7 points.
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on May 30, 2007 8:25 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
Tampa Gator post 61
The Canes are going to have to get in a bus for their home games and drive 30 to 40 minutes to a stadium completley on the other side of town. How many students are going to make it for a 12:00 or 1:00 start? Not to mention, of the big 3 Florida teams, they pale in comparison to FSU and Florida when in comes to attendance and fan support in the Orange Bowl.
Since they joined the ACC, we were told to beware of the Canes. Yet they have not won an ACC title. Since the inception of the championship game, they are yet to make it there. The record last year was 7-6. The wins were againts Florida A&M, Florida International, Duke, a 3-9 UNC team, a 1 point win over Nevada, another 1 point win over Houston and a solid victory over Boston College.
Now there is a new coach in town and there are always adjustments to make. Look, they should not be in the top 20 any more than my beloved Clemson team should be. They are a team on the decline. Other teams talk about upgrading facilites and Miami talks about renting a stadium. If a recruit narrows his choices down to FSU, Miami and Florida. How much of a chance does Miami have? The facilities are going to decimate Maimi in a recruiting battle against the other Florida schools.
I hope they find a way to stay in the Orange Bowl, but I am afraid it will not happen. And I hope the Canes prove me wrong because it would help the image of the ACC. But facts are facts. They have a long way to go... a new coach, poor facilites and they must rebound from a very average year. And by the way look at that schedule; Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Georgia Tech, FSU, Virgina (beat them last year), Virgina Tech and Boston College.Hawkfan2010 said:
posted on May 30, 2007 8:57 PM — 66.43.243.196 — link — abuse?
The Hawkeyes will go 12-0 or 11-1. They have a easier schedule this upcoming season, they loose Michigan and OSU. They gain michigan state and Penn State. MSU is at Kinnick Iowa win! Iowa will win at Penn State, becuase Penn States players can't stay out of trouble. Iowa had success at Camp Randall Stadium (Wisconsin) last time, Iowa won 20-10. Iowa has played bad at night games but that game was so rainy it was pertty much dark, Iowa will win or share the Big Ten Championship, And with the great hawk fans as myself they will go to the Rose Bowl. On Iowa, and GO HAWKEYES!!!
Hawkfan2010 said:
posted on May 30, 2007 8:58 PM — 66.43.243.196 — link — abuse?
The Hawkeyes will go 12-0 or 11-1. They have a easier schedule this upcoming season, they loose Michigan and OSU. They gain michigan state and Penn State. MSU is at Kinnick Iowa win! Iowa will win at Penn State, becuase Penn States players can't stay out of trouble. Iowa had success at Camp Randall Stadium (Wisconsin) last time, Iowa won 20-10. ??? Iowa has played bad at night games but that game was so rainy it was pertty much dark, Iowa will win or share the Big Ten Championship, And with the great hawk fans as myself they will go to the Rose Bowl. On Iowa, and GO HAWKEYES!!!
Hawkeyes2007 said:
posted on May 30, 2007 9:07 PM — 66.43.243.196 — link — abuse?
Iowa will do well, not 12-0 maybe 11-1 or 10-2, I agree they will share the Big Ten, maybe a Capital One Bowl, but there is no way in hell Gene Cizik will beat Iowa, Remember it's a Hawkeye State, On Iowa and Go Hawkeyes!
Hook em' baby said:
posted on May 30, 2007 10:09 PM — 74.224.75.22 — link — abuse?
M Go Blue,
i have to agree w/ u on the fox ratings being crap
but i see ohio state more like 10 - 2, at the best 11- 1 because there is no way that theyre gonna beat michigan w/o theyre key offensive players but they still have a strong defenseMcDuck said:
posted on May 30, 2007 11:05 PM — 71.34.97.141 — link — abuse?
Hey, SoCal USMC, regarding post 77, Yve Bernard is still around...Matt Moore had a really shaky start last season (OS fans hated him)...while he did seem to turn it around...especially against USC...although OS almost lost that game...I still think that they don't deserve a Top 25 ranking..."just below 25..." way below 25...of course, I'm a Ducks fan, and so I am having a real hard time being objective...You know, InState rivalry and all that. I do agree with the postings that think Oregon is one of the Top 5 unranked teams...and Oregon has more depth than people think on both sides of the ball...and if Jon Stewart (under new Offensive Coordinator Chip Kelly) has a break out year...don't laugh if you hear the pundits mentioning his name for a Heisman!
McDuck said:
posted on May 31, 2007 6:55 AM — 198.237.180.60 — link — abuse?
Just a postscript to my comments on posting #93...Matt Moore was a senior last year...I don't think any NFL team drafted him...he probably went the way of Free Agency...don't really know tho' since he played for the Rodents...
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 8:34 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
CUTotalTiger maybe you shouldn't discuss rumors that you obviously don't know the facts behind. To begin with, Dolphins Stadium isn't on the other side of town when compared to the Orange Bowl. The Orange Bowl in near downtown Miami, while Dolphin Stadium is located Miami Gardens (located in Broward County). There is no way that you would be able to get from the UM campus to Dolphins Stadium in the 30 minutes you state on game day. If you have ever tried to make the trip, you are lucky to make it in an hour.
As for the upgrading faciliies, the only facilities people keep talking about needing upgraded is the stadium that they play in. In 2001, Miami build a new athletic complex for their student athletes to train in, and no one is complaining about it. With the City of Miami being too cheap to keep the Orange Bowl in good repair, there was no other choice but to look for another home for Hurricane football.
As for a Clemson fan having the nerve to think they have the right to try to bash the Hurricanes as a program, lets look at a comparison for the past 5 years (when Miami was on a decline). UF has a record of 45-19, FSU has a record of 43-22, Clemson has a record of 38-24 (included in the comparison because it's your program(?){don't know if Clemson can really be called a football program}) and Miami has a record of 48-15. I will be the first to admit that Miami did have a bad year last year with 6 losses, but it was the only year in the past five that fans for most major programs would consider bad (Hurricane fans also consider the 3 loss seasons in 04 and 05 terrible, but for the comparison, UF is the only other school in this comparison to have one single season that they didn't have at least 3 losses. Of the past 5 years the number of seasons each program had less then 3 losses: FSU 0, UF 1, Clemson 0, and Miami 2.)
gatorhippy said:
posted on May 31, 2007 8:53 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#95):
"With the City of Miami being too cheap to keep the Orange Bowl in good repair, there was no other choice but to look for another home for Hurricane football."
Maybe "da U" should stop relying on the city to foot the bill for their stadium and just build their own....
JMHO...
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 9:04 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, have you been near the Miami campus recently. With the new construction that is going on to add classrooms and parking, there is no location near campus that is a good fit for trying to add a stadium (best bet would have been the space they wasted for the on campus basketball stadium).
Also, UM isn't relying on the city to foot the bill for their stadium, they are renting a stadium from the city. I don't know if this is above the intelligence of a gator, but if UM is paying rent to use the Orange Bowl, how is the City footing the bill for a stadium? As part of the rental agreement, the city is supposed to keep the stadium in good condition, and which the city is not doing.
gatorhippy said:
posted on May 31, 2007 10:01 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#98):
Nope...
I stay the hell away from Miami whenever possible...
Not one good thing about that city in my opinion...
Yes, I realize that the school is RENTING the stadium from the City of Miami...
The reason (more than likely) that the stadium is not being kept up is that the city wants to phase it out...
Hell, the Orange Bowl isn't even played there anymore...
If the U wants to continue using city facilities then they are at the whim of the city...
I guarantee there is NOTHING in the rental agreement that requires the city keep the OB in "such-n-such" a state...
To do so would be a bad decision on the part of the city administrators that are in charge of the lease and surely would have drawn some kind of civil suit from the school if the city had in some way violated their rental agreement with "da U" far sooner than the present...
The City of Miami IS footing the bill for the upkeep of a stadium that the University of Miami has been historically to cheap to build...
Perhaps the school should pony up some funds and PARTNER with the city to keep this historical moument to college football in better working order...
Works good for both sides as the city has a tenant and the U can keep a stadium closer to campus...
Or better yet why doesn't the school just purchase the OB and handle the retrofit themselves...
After all Miami has all those former players that were drafted in the first round...
Surely they would lay down some cash to help the "U" family...
You claim that there is no room on campus now for it to be built, but yet the space would have been there 20 or 30 years ago...
Rick Freakin H said:
posted on May 31, 2007 10:40 AM — 207.200.116.69 — link — abuse?
I swear, some of you guy's are so inept, bleeding your school colors so much that it actually blinds you from seeing that other conferences can infact have great football teams! How about the Big Easy...they suck, no compitition, not the SEC! Well how about setting a NCAA record for bowl wins @ 5 last season. What about Louisville whipping up on ACC CHAMPS Wake forest. What about WVU beating SEC big dawgs Georgia on there home turf in 05 Sugar Bowl and GTech in last years Gator Bowl. I'll take the top three From the Big Easy against the top three from any conference. Do you actually think that all the experts that crunch all the numbers are that far off? Do you think that they just pick teams off the top of there head like you and I? How much money did you guy's lose last year betting against the Big Easy in Bowl games? If the Mountaineers are not the most exciting team to watch this year, as in the past couple, then stick with your "run up the gut for five" conferences and watch WEST VIRGINIA and similar style teams pass you in the polls every year! GO LSU!!!
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 10:41 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, I guarantee that there is always a clause in rental contracts like this to keep the location in good working condition.
I can tell from your response that you are too stupid to see the difference between renting the building and living there free. When a city owns a stadium that they rent out to teams, they always are in charge of the upkeep. If the team wants something extraordinary, then they will be in charge of upgrading it; however, this is not the case. What type of business sense would it make for the University to purchase the Orange Bowl then have to spend millions to get it in good repair? If the University wanted to have a stadium close to campus, it would have nothing to do with the City of Miami. You, like so many other people, are unable to realize the the University of Miami is in Coral Gables, FL, not Miami. The land around campus was even there 10 years ago; however, the City made it sound like they were going to greatly upgrade the Orange Bowl, which UM would then keep renting out. When it became obvious that the city was not going to make the much needed upgrades to the Orange Bowl is when UM started to look for a new stadium.
pip said:
posted on May 31, 2007 11:47 AM — 75.0.201.38 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC post 75
Yeah.. my only defense for my Hogs is that we played USC for two years and the Long Horns for several years as our opener before that.. and we are going back to the Horns next season.. we have a tradition of a tough opener.. it just didn't happen this year.
gatorhippy said:
posted on May 31, 2007 11:49 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#101):
Yes, I fully realize the location of the campus in relation to the city...
As for your clause...
More than likely the only obligation the city has is to provide and maintain an "operable environment"...
Which the OB is operable...
It just isn't up to date and palatial...
I seriously doubt that the city of Miami would provide the Canes with any other promises differing from those that they would provide any other tenat of the OB...
It wouldn't make good business sense for the city...
Why should the city pump "millions" into the Orange Bowl just to satisfy the minimal number of fans that show up for an actual UM game...
Makes better business sense to force the Canes into submission and send them even further away from their Coral Gables campus...
Then they can demolish the OB, sell that land and make a cash windfall while continuing to charge the Canes for rent which will surely be many tiers above the amount they receive for the decrepit OB...
Makes sense for the city to have the Canes move to DS...
Just as it makes sense for the U to explore the possibilities of purchasing the OB demolishing it and building a new stadium that could be used and is still closer to campus...
Of course all of this could have been avoided had the University of Miami planned more carefully and had the insight to reserve land on campus for a modest size stadium...
Rather than depending on a city to provide them with a facility that the owner has no interest in keeping up to date...
What's really puzzling to me is that you think that LEASING space is more business savvy than actually OWNING the property...
Please explain that one...
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 12:06 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, when you factor in how much it costs to build a stadium and compare that to the cost that teams have to pay to rent a stadium, that is how you come up with rental being good business sense. Taking a step back from college football in which a lot of colleges have their stadiums on campus and looking at the overall sports venue, the majority of teams are leasing their stadiums from cities. Is it better business sense to pay 100 million for something that is outdated in a couple of years and has no other use, or to let someone else pay for the building and your team just rent it?
FlintMaize said:
posted on May 31, 2007 12:07 PM — 24.247.135.214 — link — abuse?
Mark Williams, I think OSU will have a good defense but I think this is MICHIGAN'S year. It will be hard to overcome some of the key personnel losses the Bucks suffered, particularly on offense. I suspect Michigan will give up it's share of points with a rebuilt defense, but the WOLVERINES offense is going to put up a ton of points. I say Michigan 11-1 and OSU 10-2.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 12:37 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy does that look like what the fuck I said? That is not what I said. I specifically said "Taking a step back from college football in which a lot of colleges have their stadiums on campus and looking at the overall sports venue". For UM with their campus being almost build out with the construction they have going on now or scheduled to start to increase classrooms, dorms, parking, etc. there is no place on campus for Miami to build a stadium now. That is why I have compared their present situation to non-college athletics in which it is a better situation to have a city make the huge financial decision of building a stadium and have the team rent it out. If UM could find land around campus, then I think they should build a stadium near campus; however, the only place that would suit it is frat row, and as of right now there is no other place to put the frats. It would be a terrible financial decision for UM to build a stadium in Miami or purchase the Orange Bowl!
gatorhippy said:
posted on May 31, 2007 12:50 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#109):
Wow, must've struck a chord there...
First, I don't think there is any reason for such strongly profane language here...
Secondly, if the University of Miami had planned properly they could have built a modest sized stadium on campus in the late 70's/early 80's and then subsequently renovated in accordance to growing fan base, advancing technology, etc...
Rather than continually wasting tax dollars RENTING space to play football games...
In the end,this would have been the cheaper and more sensible option...
Rather than putting themselves at the whim of a city where the campus isn't even located and has more concern over tenants that bring twice the revenue in professional sports franchises...
TampaGator said:
posted on May 31, 2007 12:58 PM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane/Gatorhippy 100-101:
Apparently Miami has committed to pay $100 million to improve OB; UM wants $180. See article below.
I hate to say this, because I have a soft spot for Miami (my bro is UM alum), but I honestly believe that moving to Dolphin stadium will be the end of the Hurricanes as a competitive program, and subsequently, quite possibly the end of 'cane FB altogether.
Dolphin stadium is a disgrace. Shiny, new, and all that, but it is in the middle of nowhere (yes, I've been there--several times). It's a painfully agonizing drive. Once inside the stadium, it is the most generic and boring stadium I've ever been in--other than most domes, which--as a general rule, basically flat out suck--but that's a topic for a different day (especially painful for baseball).
Miami has a hard enough time filling in the OB, which--while not in Coral Gables, is centrally located.
The bottom line: if UM moves to Dolphin stadium, you can expect them to go the way of the Tulane Green Wave, Minnesota Golden Gophers, Pittsburgh Panthers, and most any other team that shares a stadium with an NFL team; ie.--formerly great programs that are perpetually mediocre now, and can't fill their--'er, the stadiums they rent--even if they didn't charge admission.
I'm all about $$$$ in CFB, but moving to Dolphin stadium would be a colossal short sell, and a huge catastrophe for Hurricane football. Those extra sky boxes that Dolphin stadium offers--will be freak'n VACANT, because no one wants to see an empty stadium. I know this, b/c I was in the Bull Gator Deck when the Gators spanked Auburn so badly in the first half, that the students' section was empty for the 2nd half (right after they disallowed re-entry). It wasn't good. No one's going to pay luxury suite prices for tickets to the 'canes, in 'fish stadium--when it's empty. They might turn a profit in the first 2 years or so, but they will lose their ass afterwards. I'm tell'n ya, it will be a catastrophe.
...oh well; better for the Gators, I guess (especially the ramifications in terms of recruiting).
On that note: this is GREAT NEWS!! Tear down that rickety ol' Orange Bowl, by golly!!! It's time Miami--time to trade up, and move into Dolphin Stadium!!
GO GATORS!!__________________________________________________
'Canes consider leaving Orange Bowl
By TONY BARNHART
Cox News Service
Tuesday, May 15, 2007AMELIA ISLAND, Fla. — Miami athletics director Paul Dee said Monday that the school is close to a decision on whether to move its football games from the old Orange Bowl Stadium to the newer Dolphin Stadium in Fort Lauderdale.
Miami's current lease with the downtown Orange Bowl, built in 1937, goes through the 2009 season. But if Miami strikes a deal with Dolphin Stadium, which could come as early as June's Board of Trustees meeting, it could move for the 2008 season.
Some Miami fans and those from opposing schools have complained about the condition of the Orange Bowl and the surrounding neighborhood. Other fans say the stadium is a big part of Miami's tradition and do not want to move. It would also be a pretty long haul (roughly 33 miles) to Fort Lauderdale for students at the Coral Gables campus.
More than $100 million has been committed for improvements to the Orange Bowl, but it will take about $180 million in renovations for Miami to sign a long-term lease to remain.
Financially, Miami could make more money by moving north of the city. The renovation plan for the Orange Bowl would include 30 luxury suites. Dolphin Stadium, formerly known as Joe Robbie Stadium, has 200.
"The Dolphins' stadium has all the tangibles but tradition plays a role i
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on May 28, 2007 11:03 AM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?Personally, I'd have to say Miami is the best unranked team. They only made it on Athlon's list at #24. Their defense is far and away better then Clemson's and I think they have great talent on offense. The coaching changes COULD shake things up in Miami. However, I do still question the hire of their OC. I do think Clemson would be right on Miami's heals though with their awesome running game. Only the season will tell.