May 28, 2007
Preseason Top 25 Roundup
As the college football preseason magazines come out and the websites assemble their preseason lists, here's a quick look at some of the higher profile college football preseason top 25 lists.
| Lindy's | Athlon | FoxSports | Rivals.com | AJC |
| 1. USC | 1. USC | 1. USC | 1. USC | 1. USC |
| 2. LSU | 2. Texas | 2. LSU | 2. Michigan | 2. West Virginia |
| 3. Michigan | 3. LSU | 3. Texas | 3. LSU | 3. Oklahoma |
| 4. West Virginia | 4. Wisconsin | 4. Florida | 4. West Virginia | 4. Ohio State |
| 5. Texas | 5. West Virginia | 5. Wisconsin | 5. Florida | 5. Florida |
| 6. Wisconsin | 6. Florida | 6. Ohio State | 6. Ohio State | 6. LSU |
| 7. Tennessee | 7. Oklahoma | 7. Oklahoma | 7. Virginia Tech | 7. Texas |
| 8. Virginia Tech | 8. Michigan | 8. Arkansas | 8. Oklahoma | 8. Michigan |
| 9. Louisville | 9. Virginia Tech | 9. UCLA | 9. Texas | 9. Arkansas |
| 10. Oklahoma | 10. Rutgers | 10. Michigan | 10. Wisconsin | 10. Virginia Tech |
| 11. Florida | 11. Cal | 11. West Virginia | 11. Louisville | 11. Louisville |
| 12. Cal | 12. Ohio State | 12. Georgia | 12. Georgia | 12. Wake Forest |
| 13. Ohio State | 13. Louisville | 13. Virginia Tech | 13. Nebraska | 13. Wisconsin |
| 14. Arkansas | 14. Georgia Tech | 14. Auburn | 14. Auburn | 14. Auburn |
| 15. TCU | 15. UCLA | 15. Nebraska | 15. Cal | 15. Nebraska |
| 16. Rutgers | 16. Georgia | 16. Tennessee | 16. Arkansas | 16. Georgia |
| 17. Georgia | 17. Penn State | 17. Florida State | 17. Tennessee | 17. Tennessee |
| 18. Texas A&M | 18. Nebraska | 18. Cal | 18. Penn State | 18. Rutgers |
| 19. Hawaii | 19. Hawaii | 19. Boston College | 19. Rutgers | 19. South Carolina |
| 20. Wake Forest | 20. Tennessee | 20. Texas A&M | 20. Florida State | 20. Florida State |
| 21. Florida State | 21. Auburn | 21. Rutgers | 21. Texas A&M | 21. Notre Dame |
| 22. UCLA | 22. Oregon State | 22. Georgia Tech | 22. Notre Dame | 22. Texas A&M |
| 23. Auburn | 23. Texas A&M | 23. TCU | 23. Hawaii | 23. TCU |
| 24. Boston College | 24. Miami | 24. Penn State | 24. Boston College | 24. Boise State |
| 25. Nebraska | 25. TCU | 25. Oregon State | 25. Clemson | 25. Oklahoma St. |
From the list above, here's some things I think I think:
- What in the hell is going on with the UCLA rankings? Fox has them in the top 10, Athlon at number 15 and Lindy's at number 22, while Rivals and the AJC don't even have the Bruins ranked. That's a pretty wide disparity. UCLA is the only team that cracked the top ten in one poll, that didn't make it onto everybody's top 25 list. For my part, I can't get the FSU ass-whipping out of my mind. If UCLA intends to play the way they did last year (and I haven't really seen enough to think that this year's team would be better), then I think the Bruins are #24 or #25-ish projection, if they make the list at all.
- By the same token, what the hell with West Virginia? The 'Eers are getting mucho amor in all the polls except Fox. WVU gets a #2, two #4s, a #5 and.... a #11 ranking? Who exactly is doing the Fox rankings? UCLA makes the Fox top ten and West Virginia can't manage to crack it? Is there anyone (outside of UCLA homers) who doesn't think WVU would hang half-a-hundred on the Bruins?! WVU got hosed in the Fox poll, plain and simple.
- My how the mighty have fallen. Notre Dame doesn't make the Lindy, Athlon, or Fox pre-season top 25s... and I couldn't agree more.
- Put Rutgers in the "no one knows" category. The Scarlet Knights (and don't forget to say they're from New Jersey) are ranked as high as #10 (Athlon) and as low as #21 (Fox). I'm inclined to think that Rutgers may go the way of Biz Markie... another one hit wonder.
- Best unranked team - Although the crack the Rivals list (barely) the best unranked team in has to be Clemson. The Tigers have some transitions to make on both sides of the ball, but you can't argue their talent level and team speed. Clemson is perfectly capable of landing in a BCS game this year as ACC champ (and that would be a hell of an accomplishment with strong VTech, awakening FSU, Georgia Tech, Boston College, and South Carolina on the schedule, plus an ACC championship game!)
Comments:
TrojanHorse said:
posted on May 28, 2007 11:10 AM — 12.145.144.66 — link — abuse?
Kev
my two cents on your comments.. I think that you are right to bring up the WTF is with the wide disparity.. but unlike the major polls that seem to see what everyone else is doing then pick the same order... these guys actually try to do their best and don't have anyone elses rankings to piggy back on.. so from that aspect I enjoy their rankings..
re: UCLA, caveat.. my biased opinion of course :).. is that UCLA high rankings are based on two things.. and two things only.. 1.. that they return close to everyone.. isn't something like 20 starters or close to that.. and 2.. the way that the defense stuffed SC last year.. however re the Bruins, no one remembers that they still have the same offensive issues (they did nothing against sc.. one TD and two FG's on offense.. this was a basically 500 team that might be 8-4 this year tops.. they do have a friendly P10 schedule other than at SC all the good P10's come to the RB.. but still this team is top 25 but still 3rd or 4th in the P10... don't base these high rankings on the SC win alone as that was a pure fluke.. see the FSU game in the who gives a crap emerald bowl.. again a biased opinion
the couch burners on the other hand are probably highly ranked purely based on schedule where it comes down to playing no one OOC and having all the tough BE games at home.. their one tough game is at one hit wonder (your words... which I agree) RU.. it is a very workable schedule where being 11- should have them ranked in the top 5..
RU.. one hit wonder.. what can I say.. they are another team with an OOC schedule that would embarrass the globetrotters.. one tough BE game at LVille and the ease of schedule should make them 9-3 or 8-4.. so top 25 yeah.. top 10... NFW
M GO BLUE said:
posted on May 28, 2007 11:55 AM — 216.46.211.129 — link — abuse?
The Fox rankings are reeaally bad!
Listen up Fox buddies, here is what the Big Ten is gonna look like.
#1 - Michigan 12-0
#2 - Penn st. 11-1
#3 - Wisconsin 10-2
#4 - Ohio st. 9-3
#5 - Iowa 10-2 (very weak schedule) Iowa plays N.illinois, Syracuse, Iowa st, and W. Michigan OOC, and they don't play Michigan or Ohio State this year...........so I give a Buckeye 9-3 over a Hawkeye 10-2GO BLUE !!!
posted on May 28, 2007 12:02 PM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue said:
Miami is going to have to earn it in my book. There's no question that they have talent, but (much like FSU) they haven't produced despite some good recruiting classes.
I believe that this is a rebuilding year for the Hurricanes, with four to five losses being a very real possibility. There are just too many question marks for me to say they're the "best of the rest".
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on May 28, 2007 12:14 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
I wouldn't argue with that Kev, UM has a pretty tough schedule ahead of them. While Clemson's is much easier.
Kev, what's your email address? There's been yet another coaching change on the FSU staff. Have you heard anything about it? If not I was going to give you a shout. Sorry, I know that's not related to this thread.
mark williams said:
posted on May 28, 2007 3:37 PM — 68.225.36.129 — link — abuse?
m go blue:
You have got to be kidding me?!? The buckeyes will be 10-1 when they go against (Carr better have) a 12-0 wolverine squad. You know the deal from there after 104 meetings...all bets are off.
Ohio State's defense and kicking game will be stellar this year, and the offense will have a 5 year junior at the helm with an experienced (4 x letterman) offensive line. Plus with Beanie Wells whom I predict will have a 1200+ yard season. The similarities to the 2002 team are uncanny.
Expect a heavy dose of the "i" this year with a lot of clock control. Maybe if they would have played more "woody ball" against Florida it would've been a better game. Oh well, can't dwell on the past can "we".
IrishRobotGenius said:
posted on May 28, 2007 3:55 PM — 64.105.55.186 — link — abuse?
Notre Dame started out last year ranked anywhere from 24th or 29th depending on the poll. They were significantly better and surprised many people with their performance through the year. This year will be no different. In fact, this year will be even better. The Irish prefer being rated as the underdogs. Please keep underestimating them and continue ranking them as unworthy opponents, then see how the Irish do againt Athlon's #14 ranked Georgia Tech on September 1st.........
hokie4life said:
posted on May 28, 2007 5:00 PM — 67.72.98.102 — link — abuse?
#1 there you go again with the "coaching changes" FSU and Miami are exactly where they need to be at or near the bottom of the top 25. I'm gonna go ahead and buy my Orange Bowl tickets and book my flight to Hell oops I mean Miami perhaps this week. But really people the pre season rankings mean absolutely nothing but is a good debateable subject. Vahh Tech Hokies baby!!!
Tygerbate said:
posted on May 28, 2007 5:08 PM — 168.143.123.86 — link — abuse?
Sure glad to see my Tigers picked 2nd or 3rd by everybody but the AJC but then with wild eyed left-winger Cynthia Tucker heading their editorial policy why should I be surprised. Seriously though getting back to the important thing, football, my question is when did the AJC become one of the higher profile college football magazines?
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on May 28, 2007 6:03 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
Miami does not even know where they will be playing their games in a year. The last i saw they will have to drive 30 minutes or so to play where the Dolphins call home. They had a horrible season last year and a new coaching staff this year..... Lucky to even be mentioned in anyone's Top 25
I do not think the Shamecocks are getting enough "love." Why wouldn't they be in everyone's top 20? One of the SEC leaders at tailback, a senior starter at quarterback and a solid defense. They play Vandy, Kentucky, Louisina-Lafayette, SC State, Miss. State and UNC; all games they will be favored to win. Take care of buisness and spring and upset in Athens or at home against the Gators and this team could be playing for the SEC title.
I like Maryland in the ACC. The have many starters back.... they simply need to find a quarterback. No one seems to notice this team. Can you say Wake Forest?
goodolnuma5 said:
posted on May 28, 2007 6:09 PM — 65.24.221.145 — link — abuse?
mark williams post # 7
Thanks man(sarcasm), like every Buckeye fan needs to hear that.
BTW, wheres Bama? Cmon y'all, they should be better.
Regan+Tygerbate, I'm with y'all. Cards? Welcome back to mediocrity. AJC?...... What the hell? ESPN busy?
Zac said:
posted on May 28, 2007 11:54 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Well, at least Rivals agrees with my top 3, and that's about as close as it gets. WVU shouldn't be ranked 4th anywhere, let alone 2nd. Fox Sports comes about as close as where I think they'll eventually wind up, but I was thinking more like 8th or 9th, maybe 10th. WI should be right around the same spot. Though, I don't know how Fox managed to leave Louisville out altogether. I still think TN should be ranked higher; FL should be ranked lower, and in spite of McFadden, AR should be in the 2nd 10. I agree; Miami should earn it; so should FL St. Thing is, I think both will, to what extent is what remains to be seen, just like the rest. It'll be fun to see how it all plays out. Can't Wait!!!
Tomcat said:
posted on May 29, 2007 2:00 AM — 70.243.164.75 — link — abuse?
Face it folks -pre-season polls are just like elbows and a-holes everybodys got one. Some teams overated and some underated, nobody really knows whats gonna happen.Last year I purchased 6 different magazines or publications they were all wrong, every one of them.
Some of them had Oklahoma ranked real high!
What a joke OU aint nothing 3 loss team
Face it folks OU sux
Hookem-Hornsgatorhippy said:
posted on May 29, 2007 8:11 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
Breaking it down...
Loaded Trojans are right where expected...
True contenders? LSU, Wolvies...
Overrated? Florida, Texas, UCLA, Hawaii...
Should be there but will shoot themselves in the foot with stupid/upset losses... WVU, Badgers, Sooners...
Surprise upswings of the year... South Florida (BE Champs), South Carolina (in the mix for the SEC East)...
OU-Ron said:
posted on May 29, 2007 10:26 AM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse?
# 18 Tomcat
Correct me if I’m wrong, Texass is a 3 loss team last year---Does that mean the cow horns is a JOKE, or in your words “ aint nothing “. This must be another one your lame ass attempts of TEXASS humor. You need to stick to fishing, your better at that, maybe.
Texass sucks
Nub’em horns
GO OU
badgerballer said:
posted on May 29, 2007 12:15 PM — 70.57.175.246 — link — abuse?
@ #25
Sorry bro, but I have to disagree with your parting statement. As has been debated on this board many times and at great length - Norte Dame will ALWAYS be in the Top 25. A 6-6 ND team will still finish the season in the top 25. We will never see #32 Norte Dame v. #45 East Carolina at seasons end, playing in the Tidy Bowl.
Eric said:
posted on May 29, 2007 12:28 PM — 208.65.57.92 — link — abuse?
If you think that Rutgers is a "one hit wonder" then you haven't been paying attention to the Scarlet Knights. While graduation has thinned the nation's 4th best defense, the offense looks to be much improved, thanks to QB Mike Teel discovering that he has some receivers who can both catch and run. It seems than only Athlon is aware of the depth building in Piscataway. It is worth recalling that RU would have won the Big East last year, had a poor officiating call not negated a Steve Slaton fumble that RU ran in for a TD. This year, look for USF, Louisville, West Virginia, and Rutgers to all finish in the top 25 and thump their bowl opponents. All four teams have improved from last year.
Don V said:
posted on May 29, 2007 2:06 PM — 204.128.192.4 — link — abuse?
WV has the weapons, no question. My concern is the loss of Trickett. My belief is that he put the finishing touch on the offense by being able to coach the linemen effectively. A lot of that may carry over this year, but I think there will be a decline. Add the fact that WV is breaking in new LBs and I can buy them at #11 - if you're predicting end-of-year records. I could see them losing two out of three to USF (away), Louisville (home) or Rutgers (away). Wouldn't bet the house on it, but well within the realm of possibility.
The Mayor said:
posted on May 29, 2007 2:56 PM — 24.7.49.173 — link — abuse?
Here's a great article about a new policy Coach Paterno has started at PSU. Check it out!
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=dw-paterno052207&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Eye of the Tiger said:
posted on May 29, 2007 3:17 PM — 138.163.0.43 — link — abuse?
I don't know what to think on these polls. Too early to tell, and all of these teams are worthy. One thing I think everyone can agree on is USC is the clear favorite with LSU close behind. Also, I would raise serious doubts to any poll that doesn't have at LEAST 3 teams from the SEC in the top ten. That's just the way life works, and this year will be no different with a possible 4 SEC teams in the top ten by seasons end.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on May 29, 2007 3:36 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
K Donny, the losses on the West Virigina O-Line were major. Thats gonna affect the White/Slaton production.
Im thinking FoxSports will prove to be closer to what West VU is gonna turn-out to be this year (beware of So Flo in the BEast). There are pleanty of Major-Program schools that are gonna bounce back from a lack-luster 2006 season.
... having said all that, I still like/root for Coach Rich Rodgriguez.And Kevin, your projection of "half a hundred" that WestVU would score on FUCLA is Mis-Guided (in light of recent developments). WestVU didnt score 50 on any opponent last year (in Div1A), and UCLA didnt allow 50 to any opponent. Also, West VU is DEPENDENT upon the Run-Game... UCLA had the 9th best Rush-Defense in the Country, and they return practically everyone for 2007 (though, they do lose one of their All-American DLs, Justin Hickman). "Styles make Fights"... well, "Matchups make CFB Games" (genearlly speaking, ofcourse).
Tomahawkeer said:
posted on May 29, 2007 3:44 PM — 69.43.42.16 — link — abuse?
Things that stand out to me:
1. UCLA is way overrated in the fox poll. I see them somewhere around the #15 to #18 range
2. Leaving Louisville out of the top 25??? What is fox thinking. Yes they have a new coach, but the core of thier potent offense is back. They may not win the Big East, but they will play anybody close in the nation, including WVU, Rutgers, and South Florida, which will all be tough close games for them.
3. Arkansas, extremely overrated in the Fox and AJC polls, hell they may even be overrated in the others as well. I think by the end of the season, Arkansas is going to have a very difficult time making the top 25 due to thier schedule. I also belive that because of this, Mcfadden doesnt win the Heisman.
4. Texas, at #2, #3, #5, #7, ok? I realize that they are "Texas", but they dont play hardly anybody, and how many games did they lose last year playing basically nobody (with the exception of Ohio State)? Exactly! Do I think they are a good team, sure, do I think they are top 10? Possibly, but I think I would rank them somewhere between 10-13 at the end of the season, depending on how they handle the entire season.
5. Since im a WVU fan, ive got to put at least some type of blurp in here for them. Being ranked #11, as well as #2 are both kind of rediculous. Do I think that WVU is good enough to be #2, absolutely, do I think they are bad enough to be #11, no I dont. Do I think #2 is correct, no I dont, at least early in the season. WVU has 3 huge tests, 2 of which are on the road (Rutgers and Fouth Florida), with Louisville at home. There are some questions about how good is Rutgers going to be after losing a big chunk of thier #4 defense, as well as Brian Leonard. If Mike Teal plays an entire season like he played the end of last season, they will certaily be difficult to beat, espically with Ray Rice and his running style. South Florida runs a very fun version of a spread offense with a very athletic QB, and with thier overall team speed, they can hang with anybody in the country. Louisville is just that, basically everybody coming back except the coach, there isnt a good reason why they shouldnt be considered, unless its just that, a new coach. It should be a fun and exciting year, and I will be hoping that WVU pulls it out in the end. I guess we will have to wait and see.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on May 29, 2007 3:50 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
SEMINATION, Rivals has Arkansas at No. 16
K-Donny, like Regan(9) and Adam (21) have pointed out, Louisville is another team that "cracked that top ten in one poll, that didnt make it onto everybody's top 25 list".
If youre gonna add your personal editorials to these articles, Donny, you might wanna double-check your work.
OU Fan said:
posted on May 29, 2007 4:05 PM — 84.146.63.18 — link — abuse?
OU-Ron post 24, good point. Tomcat, I just have to comment on OU-Ron's post. "What a joke OU aint nothing 3 loss team," OK Smartguy, what about Texas?? Were they not also a 3 loss team?? Tomcat, that was a very intelligent and persuasive post. SYKE! What an idiot! And wasn't TEX-ASS ranked like number 2 or 3 at the beginning of last seasons preseason polls?? And what did they finish at? GO SOONERS!!
M GO BLUE said:
posted on May 29, 2007 4:15 PM — 216.46.211.106 — link — abuse?
#7 Mark Williams - My reason for predicting a 9-3 season for the Buckeyes, is based upon them losing their QB,RB,#1 and #2 WR, that my friend is a HUGE loss, and no matter how good the bench warmers are, we really don't know how they will perform.
As for the Buckeye defense, I was not impressed with the Buckeye D in their last two games of the season.
Here is the Buckeye schedule and my humble predictions.
Youngstown state - W
Akron - W
at Washington - W
Northwestern - W
at Minnesota - W
at Purdue - W
kent state - W
Michigan state - W
at Penn state - L
Wisconsin - L
illinois - W
at Michigan - L 9-3I feel that a 9-3 season would be good having lost most of their big playmakers.
BayouBengal said:
posted on May 29, 2007 4:29 PM — 72.149.254.106 — link — abuse?
Well it looks like we might finally get to see that LSU & USC matchup that everybody wanted back when LSU won Natn'l Chmpshp in 03'. Your going down Pete Caroll, the mighty LSU deffense will again reign over college football and bring the Natn'l Chmpshp back to the "RED STICK" where it belongs!!!!
R.I.P. Marquise Hill, we love you, and we thank you for everything you gave to LSU.
Longhorn Mike said:
posted on May 29, 2007 4:33 PM — 65.30.44.104 — link — abuse?
I'd have to agree with the pundits: USC IS the team to beat......and that's tough to admit when you are a Longhorn fanatic, like I am. The program that has been built (maybe the word "bought" is more appropriate- See Reggie Bush) is simply the best in NCAA Div I. They are the gold standard, especially when you consider all of their national football championship trophies and Rose Bowl victories. However, it might be wise to look over your shoulders, Trojan fans, because that team of under-achievers in South Bend will be salivating to play you this year. As for UT, I think it will be tough for us to finish the season undefeated. A&M will have something to say about that; and Stephen McGee seems to save his best games of the season for when he plays us. I would also expect that Bob Stoopes' eternal "smirk" will disappear when OU gets beaten three times this season. As for the woeful Big XII North....well, once again they are the WEAK LINK in the BIG XII. They say these things run in cycles. It looks to me like the Big XII North is suffering through a 7 year down-cycle in football.....eerrghhh... make that ALL SPORTS. The South has, indeed, risen again. At least, the Big XII North has a permanent franchise on the men's basketball trophy with KU's juggernaut. Now, that's what I call an impressive program. As for the other "North" teams......sorry. Maybe, it would be wise for Mizzou; Colorado; Iowa State and K-State to form a cluster and apply for the Mountain West or WAC. Those conferences need more schools and your teams MIGHT be on parity with regard to talent, funding and facilities to participate in the non-BCS conferences. I know, that's harsh. OK, you can take Okkie State, as well.
pip said:
posted on May 29, 2007 5:25 PM — 69.155.122.39 — link — abuse?
Jarred, every since last year (and I have to assume before) you are just so anti-hawgs yet you claim to be a razorback.. show some school spirit man.
we will beat bama and SC. (bama will be strong by the end of season.. but they won't have their kinks lined out yet)
SC will be strong, but it's a home game for us if I'm not mistaken.. it's our game.
our team is strongest mid-season .. both Tennessee and Auburn fall into that stretch.. we won't lose both of those and have a good chance of winning both.
we LITERALLY have the easiest schedule in the SEC with 8 home games.
In summation there is little chance of us going 8-4.
LSU will be tough to beat.. we'll have to play at the top of our ability and have a near perfect game.. but they are beatable.
we should be ranked top 20 preseason.. those giving us the 8 and 9 ranking are too kind.. you don't lose your bowl game and get a ranking like that.. 15-20 is where it should be.. and that's perfect.. if we win threw the Auburn game we will probably break into the top 10, at least the top 12 which will put us in a great spot for the hunt for a BCS bowl game.. and that's all you can ask for.
Have faith in your Hawgs!
pip said:
posted on May 29, 2007 5:39 PM — 69.155.122.39 — link — abuse?
I just wanted to quickly back up my claim that Arkansas has the easiest schedule this year in the SEC.
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=212492
A decent team with an easy schedule means there is no way we are going 8-4Tomcat said:
posted on May 29, 2007 7:29 PM — 70.243.164.75 — link — abuse?
Hey Guys found another one CSTV preseason poll
One thing in common USC #1 on all of them
1.USC
2 LSU
3 Mich
4 W Vir
5 Wis
6 Tex
7 Cal
8 Fla
9 Louis
10 V Tech
11 OU
12 RU
13 A&M
14 PSU
15 Ark
16 AU
17 UGa
18 BC
19 TCU
20 Neb
21 Ohio st
22 Tenn
23 KY
24 UCLA
25 S Car
#35 Tomahawker Texas plays hardly anybody, well depending on which poll you use according to this one the Horns play 4 top 25 teams
looks like the Gamecocks have one of the toughest schedules
Ul Laf
@ UGa
SC St
@LSU
Miss st
Ky
@ NC
Vand
@ Tenn
@ Ark
Fla
Clem
6 or 7 top 25 opponents depending on which polls you use 4 on the road
Ok St 2007
@ UGa
FAU
@ Troy
TTech
SHSU
@ A&M
@ Neb
K St
@ OU
UT
KU
@ BU
5 top 25 teams 4 on the road
Notre Dame 2007
GT
@ PSU
@ Mich
Mich st
@ Purdue
@ UCLA
BC
USC
Navy
Air F
Duke
@Stanford
5 top 25 teams 3 on the road
Hogwild said:
posted on May 29, 2007 8:58 PM — 66.177.101.205 — link — abuse?
No Hogs on the Athlon Poll?Are they serious?Our schedule is weak and we have the best running game in the SEC hands down.We lost 4 games Last year USC, LSU, WIS, and Florida all of which where top ten teams. and 3 of those loses were by less than a touchdown.
GO Hogs!!!
GA Boy said:
posted on May 29, 2007 9:57 PM — 66.110.197.20 — link — abuse?
IrishRobot. Notre Dame did not suprise anyone who watches college football. They played exactly like we all thought they would. Won the ones they should have one and lost the ones that they should have won if they were really at top 10 team.
EaglesNest Post 29. You have lost your mind, but since you are acting knuts, I will join you. UGA wins the NC this year and Stafford wins the Heisman. Oh yeah and I am going to get the Republican nomination for President. Get real dude!
Hey tomcat, what's the scoop on the Cowboys? I think the Dawgs will put about 200 yards rushing on them and handle them easily. One thing we have is a good secondary and I don't see them getting the passing game going on us. What do you think?Jarred said:
posted on May 29, 2007 10:38 PM — 12.178.128.76 — link — abuse?
I'm trying to be realistic. We almost lost to Bama and Vandy. Ainge was hurt in the Tenn game, probably wouldn't have mattered, and Mitchell almost got us in the second half of the South Carolina game. Arkansas has lost 4 straight in Baton Rouge, 3 of 4 in Tuscaloosa, and 3 straight in Knoxville, under Nutt.
Muley said:
posted on May 29, 2007 11:06 PM — 65.171.115.223 — link — abuse?
For Longhorn Mike - K-State beat you last year and may do it in Texas this year!!!!!!!! They are rebuilding - But definatly are better than several of your south cronies!!!!!!!!! I agree with So Cal USMC that K-state is one of the best unranked - and will be rank by the end of the year.
DONALD said:
posted on May 29, 2007 11:07 PM — 68.9.235.17 — link — abuse?
Rutgers a one hit wonder? Unlikely, given that one evaluation ranks this year's offensive line as number 5 in the nation and the defensive line as number 3 in the nation. And the offense is still amazing.
Rutgers is here to stay.
T-Mac said:
posted on May 30, 2007 2:08 AM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Arkansas has a VERY favorable schedule this season. Arkansas has their toughest SEC games at home. Arkansas has a strong running game.
Good things to have.
Arkansas doesn't have a Quarterback.
D-Mac will not get it done alone on offense.
He will face 8-9 man fronts all season.
2007 will be a year of Defense in the SEC.
Many SEC teams had young defenses last year.
This season SEC defenses will kick it.
LSU, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn.
Not necessarily in that order.
Arkansas goes 7-5 in 2007.
2006 is OVER.
Yes, Arkansas won the West in 2006.
2006 is a Memory. It's 2007.
D-Mac can't win the SEC West by himself.
Not gonna happen.
With even mediocre QB play Arkansas wins 8.
Captain Save The World Mustain is Gone.
Mustain is gone...to USC.
Arkansas is back to being a Mid-Tier SEC team.
Not hatin. Droppin notice.
2007. Stop D-Mac. You stop Arkansas.
Simple as that. It's not rocket science.
Coach Nutt lost his franchise player.
I'm sorry he did.
Arkansas had a shot at winning the West.
Winning the West with Mustain and D-Mac in 2007.
Not gonna happen now though.
LSU wins SEC West in 2007.
SEC West 2nd place is a toss-up.
Auburn and Alabama.
Bama has the best Rec Corps in the SEC.
One of the best in the Country.
DJ Hall, Keith Brown, Nikita Stover.
To name a few.
Counting Bama out at this point is foolish.
SEC games will be fun again this season.
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McDuck said:
posted on May 30, 2007 7:26 AM — 198.237.180.60 — link — abuse?
What nimrod at Athlon dared to stick the OS Beavers as high as 22? C-mon, man, you're killing me. Ya, sure...they (barely) beat USC...and they barely beat the Ducks in the Civil War...and they barely beat Mizzou in the Sun Bowl last year...all those barely beatings does not a #22 ranking make!!! They shouldn't be ranked at all!!!
posted on May 30, 2007 8:42 AM — link — abuse?
@38 SoCal - No disrespect to the corporate overlords, but -- of the five -- I really give the least sway to the Rivals poll, especially in terms of distribution. And thus my statement that Clemson was the best unranked.
McDuck said:
posted on May 30, 2007 10:55 AM — 198.237.180.60 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy (posting #40)...OS (as they're calling themselves now) are ranked...twenty-fricking-two by Athlon, and twenty-fricking-five by Fox Sports...but you're a Gators fan, man...why would you even consider wanting the Rodents ranked?
go blue said:
posted on May 30, 2007 11:57 AM — 192.212.253.17 — link — abuse?
Everybody that's hating on Texas-you do realize Colt got hurt for the last two regular season games right?
Michigan has also been suffering some pretty random problems throughout the offseason. They looked good earlier this year, but now they have a bunch of question marks. I think they would need to earn their way up by beating Wisc and OSU. Plus, who really wants Trent as their star CB? Nonetheless, go blue!
TampaGator said:
posted on May 30, 2007 12:08 PM — 64.12.116.77 — link — abuse?
Re. CU Tiger's #12:
_________________________________________________
"...Miami does not even know where they will be playing their games in a year. The last i saw they will have to drive 30 minutes or so to play where the Dolphins call home...."
_________________________________________________Are they tearing down the OB? Buiding a new stadium? I haven't heard a damn thing about this. Can anyone verify this? Add details?
Thanks.
GO GATORS!!rlsecret said:
posted on May 30, 2007 1:36 PM — 168.216.188.148 — link — abuse?
wv will score 50 per game...there backs ave.4.27 in 40 and there future draft pick,schmidt,a 250 lb 6-3 back is being moved to tight end to make room for a 4.125 frosh back to go with slaton and white...unbelievable!!!!south fla or rut. wont surprise them this year and they will handle l-ville at home...not bad for a team that represents a state with maybe 2 div 1 players...texas,so cal,etc have maybe 400 to pick from..wv gets leftovers...how good is rodriguez...wv is the cinderella team last two years in america in both football and bb
Gerbs said:
posted on May 30, 2007 2:04 PM — 75.111.222.214 — link — abuse?
I find it incredibly stupid that a team would/could be ranked high beacuse of who they play. You can't judge how good one team is because they play a weak schedule. That makes no sense. If anything, you have no idea how good they are because they don't play tough competition. That being said, watch some film from last year and you'll know that Steve Slaton and Pat White are the real deal. WVU should be #5 until they start winning by 7 over Cincy, Uconn, etc. The 17 point comeback win over Georgia Tech and their "vaunted defense" in the Gator Bowl should speak louder than their schedule of games.
J Boe said:
posted on May 30, 2007 2:15 PM — 209.192.119.136 — link — abuse?
I just got to say something about WVU, I know that they have been hyped to death by seemingly everyone, but I just can't believe they are a top 10 team. First of all, as mentioned by a WVU fan, they have "3 huge tests this year". He was speaking about Rutgers, South Florida and Louisville!!!! These might be huge tests in the Big East, but give me a freaking break. These teams would qualify as homecoming opponents for some teams. I know that they had decent 2006 seasons, but show me some quality wins before you qualify them as "huge tests". Putting teams with weak ass schedules in the top 5 just makes preseason polls even more of a joke. I am sorry to all the Louisville, Rutgers and WV fans on this site, but noone outside of the Big East will ever want you in a National Championship, period! You won't deserve it.
maurice said:
posted on May 30, 2007 2:27 PM — 204.117.78.97 — link — abuse?
Here are The BCS Preseason Predictions
pip said:
posted on May 30, 2007 2:27 PM — 69.155.122.39 — link — abuse?
T-Mac post 56. For the last 2 years all I have heard is we are going to stop Dmac and shut you guys down and we are going to win... it hasn't happened yet and they have known what is coming.. and f they slow him down Jones takes off around the outside. Granted this will all be a lot easier if our passing game comes along.. but if for two years they haven't been able to stop our backs, do you really think their defense has gotten so much better that they will stop them this year?
So Cal USMC said:
posted on May 30, 2007 2:34 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
The So Cal USMC Pre-Season Tier-Rankings:
1 - USC
2 - Texas, Michigan, LSU, VTech
3 - Wisconsin, Florida, Cal Berkeley, aTm, Ohio St, Tennessee, Geo
4 - Rutgers, Miami, FUCLA, Clemson, Auburn, FSU, WestVU
5 - Boise St, Maryland, Oregon, Alabama, Oklahoma, Arizona, Nebraska, Hawai'i, USF, Mizzu, S Carolina, Arizona St, Louie, Notre Dame
6 - Iowa, Utah, So Miss, TTech, Boston, BYU, Purdue, Oregon St, TCU, Arkansas, Kansas St, UNC, Penn St, Kentucky, Virginia
7 - Fresno St, Colorado, GTech, Michigan St, Wazzu, San Diego St, Wake Forest, Mississippi, San Jose St, Washington, Illinois, W Michigan, Stanford
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 30, 2007 2:49 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
TampaGator: Miami is in contract talks to have their home games moved to Dolphins Stadium (aka Joe Robbie Stadium, Pro Player Stadium, or what ever it will be know as by the time 2008 comes around) starting in either 2008 or 2009. Dolphins Stadium officials have drawn up the official contract, but no move is going to be made before the board of trustees meetings that are scheduled for the upcoming weeks.
The City of Miami is not willing to upgrade the Orange Bowl, so UM is looking for a newer stadium to host their games.
Some people are opposed to the move which will add an additional 45-60 minutes of travel time, but as UM has pointed out the number of alumni within 20 miles of both stadiums is nearly equal (41,000 for the OB; 40,000 for Dolphin Stadium).
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 30, 2007 2:53 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
I can't believe that only one of these would have the Hurricanes in the top 25. On a side note, not being ranked in the preseason top 25 might be a good thing for the program as it will put a chip on their shoulder and they should play like they have something to prove. With the returning players they have, there should be no way that the Hurricane defense doesn't finish in the top 5 and that should give Miami enough to be a top 25 team even without an offense.
So Cal USMC said:
posted on May 30, 2007 3:18 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
The Best Teams not "ranked" in these 5 selective rankings (correct me if any of these are ranked Kevin)...
Maryland - over-achieved in '06, now good/experienced in '07
Oregon - RB Stewart/QB Dixon make-up for lack of depth
USF - quality Coach, improving talent, good timing
Mizzu - the team's on the back of QB Chase Daniels
Arizona - Stoops is really putting things together
So Miss - solid, like always; experienced
ASU - depending on Erickson's imediate impact
Kansas St - I might be a year early on them, but watch QB Freeman & Coach PrinceTeams that are probably "Over-Ranked" in these Preseason Rankings...
Wake - less of the extraordinary depth/exp of '06
WestVU - it all depends on that O-Line
Oklahoma - Who is in their Backfield???
Arkansas - key losses on Defense, coaching turmoil
posted on May 30, 2007 3:42 PM — 205.188.116.201 — link — abuse?
So Cal: The AJC poll (Atlanta Journal and Constitution, aka Atlanta Urinal and Constipation) is put together by Tony Barnhart, AJC college football writer and contributer to various TV networks. He's respected in the South for his views, I'm sure few have heard of him elsewhere. He's pretty even-keeled, though.
I bet there will be 300 posts on this thread debating who's ranked what. See ya once they play them out!
So Cal USMC said:
posted on May 30, 2007 3:45 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Pip, post 47,
Your right about Arkansas' schedule, I pointed that out weeks ago, myself.
I think they want to join the Sun Belt Conference or something...
Arkansas' OOC:
Troy (Home)
NoTexas (Home)
Florida International, "FIU" (Home)
*Chattanooga (Home)TampaGator said:
posted on May 30, 2007 3:51 PM — 64.12.116.77 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane/#69-70:
I apreciate the info. That's a shame; I loved the Ob; whole lotta' character. As for the area--I don't think it's that bad. Great Cuban food around there; pork on a stick, things like that...no where but the OB. And dolphin stadium is in the middle of no where; one of the most generic stadiums....
Oh well; all great traditions come to an end...
(I wonder what would become of the OB, if no one uses it?)
GO GATORS!!So Cal USMC said:
posted on May 30, 2007 4:01 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
McDuck, Id say O State is right below the Top 25. QB Matt Moore seemed to really 'lead' that team, but they isnt RB Yevenson Bernard is still around? WR/PR Stroughter? That LB-crew -Doggett, Darlin- might be 2nd best in the conference.
ssortsguy said:
posted on May 30, 2007 4:16 PM — 69.247.108.224 — link — abuse?
USC # 1 yea right they don't even play defense in there conference. Bama will be better then most expect LSU probably has the most talent in the nation but they also have Les Miles and he will lose at least two games on his coaching alone and i think Arkansas will flop
Bleed Crimson said:
posted on May 30, 2007 4:55 PM — 72.146.1.47 — link — abuse?
WHAT!!!
ARKANSAS DOESNT DESERVE A TOP 25 SLOT. THEY BLOW!!! Sure they have Darren McFadden. As for the rest of the team, i would prefer Rice as a supporting cast.
Also, LSU and Florida are overrated. In the top 25 from the SEC, it should be:
Auburn
Tennessee
LSU
Georgia
(maybe) Florida
(maybe) Alabamain that order, scattered throughout.
OU Fan said:
posted on May 30, 2007 5:02 PM — 84.146.34.153 — link — abuse?
So Cal post 72, whos's in Oklahoma's backfield?? Only the 2 running backs who picked up the load after Peterson got hurt last season. And then there will be another RB from the Vegas area named DeMarco Murray who is an absolute stud. OU is set at RB. As far as QB, like OU-Ron said on a different blog that I cannot recall, its the talent that will surround OU's new QB that will help him to become a better player and that talent will also help the Sooner offense to achieve great things. About 90 percent of that talent who surrounded Paul Thompson last season will surround OU's new QB this season. And OU's new QB will have plenty of time to prepare. Just look at what Paul Thompson accomplished, and he had 1 month to prepare. Give credit to Coach Heupel. GO SOONERS!!
'Cane Mutiny said:
posted on May 30, 2007 5:51 PM — 65.9.252.92 — link — abuse?
Man, I hope the Canes don't leave the OB...by far the most unique football stadium in the planet. Where else can you walk five minutes and grab a Cuban coffee? But they will be in the Orange Bowl for next year for sure, last I heard.
..It's great to be a Miami Hurricane..
gatordstud said:
posted on May 30, 2007 6:33 PM — 71.115.15.107 — link — abuse?
ok..i'm back from vacation....WHAAAAAT.....three of these polls have florida in the top 5....interesting.....as much as i love the polls...i really believe florida is going to have to earn that high ranking......we lost a lot of talent last year, and tebow really isn't battle tested yet.....the third week of our season will tell us gator fans exactly where we are at....tennessee will give us a stern test....
and fsu is in in four of the five.....miami is only in one......they boths should be in all five......and ohio state shouldn't be in the top ten...they lost too much talent....
so, all-in-all, these polls suck...don't mean a thing, cause it's all gotta be played out on the field.....it's not where you start that matters...IT'S WHERE YOU FINISH, BABY......
and for the hurricanes to even think about leaving the ORANGE BOWL.....that would be a travesty...an injustice to the fans of that school, and alum of that school......
miami hurricans--orange bowl.....it's like peanut butter and jelly...it's just natural that they go together....
go gators...and hokies
Boilermaker said:
posted on May 30, 2007 7:19 PM — 128.146.93.87 — link — abuse?
M GO BLUE
I agree with you for the most part. Except I believe the Buckeyes should have a goose egg in the loss column going to ann arbor. Their schedule is very promising. Penn state will be non factor, morelli isn't the answer there, a win against wisconsin at home will be a must for OSU since they have owned tressel. Should be another classic OSU vs. UM battle for the title game!! Gotta love the rivalryT-Mac said:
posted on May 30, 2007 7:24 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Bleed Crimson, post 79. Bro, I'm a Tide fan also, but you gotta be realistic. LSU isn't overrated dogg. If Flynn stays healthy and with that defense they have coming back this season, LSU wins the SEC and I see it as an LSU/USC National Title Game. Now, much could happen from now til then, but LSU is gonna be strong.
On a side note. Let's not get ahead of ourselves with where Bama is ranked. They should be much improved, but they are coming off a 6-7 season. They also have FSU as an OOC opponent this season. There wont be anymore 6-7 seasons, but it will take a little time. Their schedule is great. The passing game will be off the hook. The defense should be much better. BC, the thing I have questions about on Bama is the running game and special teams. Bama will go bowling this season...it's just a matter of how many games they win.
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eagle said:
posted on May 30, 2007 8:05 PM — 69.124.138.94 — link — abuse?
The Boston college Eagles will win the ACC Championship game against VaTech. then, they'll go against West Virginia in tha Orange Bowl. They'll win that too. They have a potential sleeper in the Heisman race with QB Matt Ryan, who played on a broken left foot ankle last season and still managed to get almost 3,000 yards passing and be first team ACC quarterback. On Defense, they're lead by 5-star recruit, senior linebacker Brian Toal and Dejaun Tribble who got 7 INTERCEPTIONS last season and returned 3 for touchdowns, as well as future first team acc safety Jamie Silva. Also, did I mention that they return 18 starters on a team that lost its 3 games last season by 2,3, and 7 points.
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on May 30, 2007 8:25 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
Tampa Gator post 61
The Canes are going to have to get in a bus for their home games and drive 30 to 40 minutes to a stadium completley on the other side of town. How many students are going to make it for a 12:00 or 1:00 start? Not to mention, of the big 3 Florida teams, they pale in comparison to FSU and Florida when in comes to attendance and fan support in the Orange Bowl.
Since they joined the ACC, we were told to beware of the Canes. Yet they have not won an ACC title. Since the inception of the championship game, they are yet to make it there. The record last year was 7-6. The wins were againts Florida A&M, Florida International, Duke, a 3-9 UNC team, a 1 point win over Nevada, another 1 point win over Houston and a solid victory over Boston College.
Now there is a new coach in town and there are always adjustments to make. Look, they should not be in the top 20 any more than my beloved Clemson team should be. They are a team on the decline. Other teams talk about upgrading facilites and Miami talks about renting a stadium. If a recruit narrows his choices down to FSU, Miami and Florida. How much of a chance does Miami have? The facilities are going to decimate Maimi in a recruiting battle against the other Florida schools.
I hope they find a way to stay in the Orange Bowl, but I am afraid it will not happen. And I hope the Canes prove me wrong because it would help the image of the ACC. But facts are facts. They have a long way to go... a new coach, poor facilites and they must rebound from a very average year. And by the way look at that schedule; Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Georgia Tech, FSU, Virgina (beat them last year), Virgina Tech and Boston College.Hawkfan2010 said:
posted on May 30, 2007 8:57 PM — 66.43.243.196 — link — abuse?
The Hawkeyes will go 12-0 or 11-1. They have a easier schedule this upcoming season, they loose Michigan and OSU. They gain michigan state and Penn State. MSU is at Kinnick Iowa win! Iowa will win at Penn State, becuase Penn States players can't stay out of trouble. Iowa had success at Camp Randall Stadium (Wisconsin) last time, Iowa won 20-10. Iowa has played bad at night games but that game was so rainy it was pertty much dark, Iowa will win or share the Big Ten Championship, And with the great hawk fans as myself they will go to the Rose Bowl. On Iowa, and GO HAWKEYES!!!
Hawkfan2010 said:
posted on May 30, 2007 8:58 PM — 66.43.243.196 — link — abuse?
The Hawkeyes will go 12-0 or 11-1. They have a easier schedule this upcoming season, they loose Michigan and OSU. They gain michigan state and Penn State. MSU is at Kinnick Iowa win! Iowa will win at Penn State, becuase Penn States players can't stay out of trouble. Iowa had success at Camp Randall Stadium (Wisconsin) last time, Iowa won 20-10. ??? Iowa has played bad at night games but that game was so rainy it was pertty much dark, Iowa will win or share the Big Ten Championship, And with the great hawk fans as myself they will go to the Rose Bowl. On Iowa, and GO HAWKEYES!!!
Hawkeyes2007 said:
posted on May 30, 2007 9:07 PM — 66.43.243.196 — link — abuse?
Iowa will do well, not 12-0 maybe 11-1 or 10-2, I agree they will share the Big Ten, maybe a Capital One Bowl, but there is no way in hell Gene Cizik will beat Iowa, Remember it's a Hawkeye State, On Iowa and Go Hawkeyes!
Hook em' baby said:
posted on May 30, 2007 10:09 PM — 74.224.75.22 — link — abuse?
M Go Blue,
i have to agree w/ u on the fox ratings being crap
but i see ohio state more like 10 - 2, at the best 11- 1 because there is no way that theyre gonna beat michigan w/o theyre key offensive players but they still have a strong defenseMcDuck said:
posted on May 30, 2007 11:05 PM — 71.34.97.141 — link — abuse?
Hey, SoCal USMC, regarding post 77, Yve Bernard is still around...Matt Moore had a really shaky start last season (OS fans hated him)...while he did seem to turn it around...especially against USC...although OS almost lost that game...I still think that they don't deserve a Top 25 ranking..."just below 25..." way below 25...of course, I'm a Ducks fan, and so I am having a real hard time being objective...You know, InState rivalry and all that. I do agree with the postings that think Oregon is one of the Top 5 unranked teams...and Oregon has more depth than people think on both sides of the ball...and if Jon Stewart (under new Offensive Coordinator Chip Kelly) has a break out year...don't laugh if you hear the pundits mentioning his name for a Heisman!
McDuck said:
posted on May 31, 2007 6:55 AM — 198.237.180.60 — link — abuse?
Just a postscript to my comments on posting #93...Matt Moore was a senior last year...I don't think any NFL team drafted him...he probably went the way of Free Agency...don't really know tho' since he played for the Rodents...
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 8:34 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
CUTotalTiger maybe you shouldn't discuss rumors that you obviously don't know the facts behind. To begin with, Dolphins Stadium isn't on the other side of town when compared to the Orange Bowl. The Orange Bowl in near downtown Miami, while Dolphin Stadium is located Miami Gardens (located in Broward County). There is no way that you would be able to get from the UM campus to Dolphins Stadium in the 30 minutes you state on game day. If you have ever tried to make the trip, you are lucky to make it in an hour.
As for the upgrading faciliies, the only facilities people keep talking about needing upgraded is the stadium that they play in. In 2001, Miami build a new athletic complex for their student athletes to train in, and no one is complaining about it. With the City of Miami being too cheap to keep the Orange Bowl in good repair, there was no other choice but to look for another home for Hurricane football.
As for a Clemson fan having the nerve to think they have the right to try to bash the Hurricanes as a program, lets look at a comparison for the past 5 years (when Miami was on a decline). UF has a record of 45-19, FSU has a record of 43-22, Clemson has a record of 38-24 (included in the comparison because it's your program(?){don't know if Clemson can really be called a football program}) and Miami has a record of 48-15. I will be the first to admit that Miami did have a bad year last year with 6 losses, but it was the only year in the past five that fans for most major programs would consider bad (Hurricane fans also consider the 3 loss seasons in 04 and 05 terrible, but for the comparison, UF is the only other school in this comparison to have one single season that they didn't have at least 3 losses. Of the past 5 years the number of seasons each program had less then 3 losses: FSU 0, UF 1, Clemson 0, and Miami 2.)
gatorhippy said:
posted on May 31, 2007 8:53 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#95):
"With the City of Miami being too cheap to keep the Orange Bowl in good repair, there was no other choice but to look for another home for Hurricane football."
Maybe "da U" should stop relying on the city to foot the bill for their stadium and just build their own....
JMHO...
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 9:04 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, have you been near the Miami campus recently. With the new construction that is going on to add classrooms and parking, there is no location near campus that is a good fit for trying to add a stadium (best bet would have been the space they wasted for the on campus basketball stadium).
Also, UM isn't relying on the city to foot the bill for their stadium, they are renting a stadium from the city. I don't know if this is above the intelligence of a gator, but if UM is paying rent to use the Orange Bowl, how is the City footing the bill for a stadium? As part of the rental agreement, the city is supposed to keep the stadium in good condition, and which the city is not doing.
gatorhippy said:
posted on May 31, 2007 10:01 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#98):
Nope...
I stay the hell away from Miami whenever possible...
Not one good thing about that city in my opinion...
Yes, I realize that the school is RENTING the stadium from the City of Miami...
The reason (more than likely) that the stadium is not being kept up is that the city wants to phase it out...
Hell, the Orange Bowl isn't even played there anymore...
If the U wants to continue using city facilities then they are at the whim of the city...
I guarantee there is NOTHING in the rental agreement that requires the city keep the OB in "such-n-such" a state...
To do so would be a bad decision on the part of the city administrators that are in charge of the lease and surely would have drawn some kind of civil suit from the school if the city had in some way violated their rental agreement with "da U" far sooner than the present...
The City of Miami IS footing the bill for the upkeep of a stadium that the University of Miami has been historically to cheap to build...
Perhaps the school should pony up some funds and PARTNER with the city to keep this historical moument to college football in better working order...
Works good for both sides as the city has a tenant and the U can keep a stadium closer to campus...
Or better yet why doesn't the school just purchase the OB and handle the retrofit themselves...
After all Miami has all those former players that were drafted in the first round...
Surely they would lay down some cash to help the "U" family...
You claim that there is no room on campus now for it to be built, but yet the space would have been there 20 or 30 years ago...
Rick Freakin H said:
posted on May 31, 2007 10:40 AM — 207.200.116.69 — link — abuse?
I swear, some of you guy's are so inept, bleeding your school colors so much that it actually blinds you from seeing that other conferences can infact have great football teams! How about the Big Easy...they suck, no compitition, not the SEC! Well how about setting a NCAA record for bowl wins @ 5 last season. What about Louisville whipping up on ACC CHAMPS Wake forest. What about WVU beating SEC big dawgs Georgia on there home turf in 05 Sugar Bowl and GTech in last years Gator Bowl. I'll take the top three From the Big Easy against the top three from any conference. Do you actually think that all the experts that crunch all the numbers are that far off? Do you think that they just pick teams off the top of there head like you and I? How much money did you guy's lose last year betting against the Big Easy in Bowl games? If the Mountaineers are not the most exciting team to watch this year, as in the past couple, then stick with your "run up the gut for five" conferences and watch WEST VIRGINIA and similar style teams pass you in the polls every year! GO LSU!!!
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 10:41 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, I guarantee that there is always a clause in rental contracts like this to keep the location in good working condition.
I can tell from your response that you are too stupid to see the difference between renting the building and living there free. When a city owns a stadium that they rent out to teams, they always are in charge of the upkeep. If the team wants something extraordinary, then they will be in charge of upgrading it; however, this is not the case. What type of business sense would it make for the University to purchase the Orange Bowl then have to spend millions to get it in good repair? If the University wanted to have a stadium close to campus, it would have nothing to do with the City of Miami. You, like so many other people, are unable to realize the the University of Miami is in Coral Gables, FL, not Miami. The land around campus was even there 10 years ago; however, the City made it sound like they were going to greatly upgrade the Orange Bowl, which UM would then keep renting out. When it became obvious that the city was not going to make the much needed upgrades to the Orange Bowl is when UM started to look for a new stadium.
pip said:
posted on May 31, 2007 11:47 AM — 75.0.201.38 — link — abuse?
So Cal USMC post 75
Yeah.. my only defense for my Hogs is that we played USC for two years and the Long Horns for several years as our opener before that.. and we are going back to the Horns next season.. we have a tradition of a tough opener.. it just didn't happen this year.
gatorhippy said:
posted on May 31, 2007 11:49 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#101):
Yes, I fully realize the location of the campus in relation to the city...
As for your clause...
More than likely the only obligation the city has is to provide and maintain an "operable environment"...
Which the OB is operable...
It just isn't up to date and palatial...
I seriously doubt that the city of Miami would provide the Canes with any other promises differing from those that they would provide any other tenat of the OB...
It wouldn't make good business sense for the city...
Why should the city pump "millions" into the Orange Bowl just to satisfy the minimal number of fans that show up for an actual UM game...
Makes better business sense to force the Canes into submission and send them even further away from their Coral Gables campus...
Then they can demolish the OB, sell that land and make a cash windfall while continuing to charge the Canes for rent which will surely be many tiers above the amount they receive for the decrepit OB...
Makes sense for the city to have the Canes move to DS...
Just as it makes sense for the U to explore the possibilities of purchasing the OB demolishing it and building a new stadium that could be used and is still closer to campus...
Of course all of this could have been avoided had the University of Miami planned more carefully and had the insight to reserve land on campus for a modest size stadium...
Rather than depending on a city to provide them with a facility that the owner has no interest in keeping up to date...
What's really puzzling to me is that you think that LEASING space is more business savvy than actually OWNING the property...
Please explain that one...
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 12:06 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, when you factor in how much it costs to build a stadium and compare that to the cost that teams have to pay to rent a stadium, that is how you come up with rental being good business sense. Taking a step back from college football in which a lot of colleges have their stadiums on campus and looking at the overall sports venue, the majority of teams are leasing their stadiums from cities. Is it better business sense to pay 100 million for something that is outdated in a couple of years and has no other use, or to let someone else pay for the building and your team just rent it?
FlintMaize said:
posted on May 31, 2007 12:07 PM — 24.247.135.214 — link — abuse?
Mark Williams, I think OSU will have a good defense but I think this is MICHIGAN'S year. It will be hard to overcome some of the key personnel losses the Bucks suffered, particularly on offense. I suspect Michigan will give up it's share of points with a rebuilt defense, but the WOLVERINES offense is going to put up a ton of points. I say Michigan 11-1 and OSU 10-2.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 12:37 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy does that look like what the fuck I said? That is not what I said. I specifically said "Taking a step back from college football in which a lot of colleges have their stadiums on campus and looking at the overall sports venue". For UM with their campus being almost build out with the construction they have going on now or scheduled to start to increase classrooms, dorms, parking, etc. there is no place on campus for Miami to build a stadium now. That is why I have compared their present situation to non-college athletics in which it is a better situation to have a city make the huge financial decision of building a stadium and have the team rent it out. If UM could find land around campus, then I think they should build a stadium near campus; however, the only place that would suit it is frat row, and as of right now there is no other place to put the frats. It would be a terrible financial decision for UM to build a stadium in Miami or purchase the Orange Bowl!
gatorhippy said:
posted on May 31, 2007 12:50 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#109):
Wow, must've struck a chord there...
First, I don't think there is any reason for such strongly profane language here...
Secondly, if the University of Miami had planned properly they could have built a modest sized stadium on campus in the late 70's/early 80's and then subsequently renovated in accordance to growing fan base, advancing technology, etc...
Rather than continually wasting tax dollars RENTING space to play football games...
In the end,this would have been the cheaper and more sensible option...
Rather than putting themselves at the whim of a city where the campus isn't even located and has more concern over tenants that bring twice the revenue in professional sports franchises...
TampaGator said:
posted on May 31, 2007 12:58 PM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane/Gatorhippy 100-101:
Apparently Miami has committed to pay $100 million to improve OB; UM wants $180. See article below.
I hate to say this, because I have a soft spot for Miami (my bro is UM alum), but I honestly believe that moving to Dolphin stadium will be the end of the Hurricanes as a competitive program, and subsequently, quite possibly the end of 'cane FB altogether.
Dolphin stadium is a disgrace. Shiny, new, and all that, but it is in the middle of nowhere (yes, I've been there--several times). It's a painfully agonizing drive. Once inside the stadium, it is the most generic and boring stadium I've ever been in--other than most domes, which--as a general rule, basically flat out suck--but that's a topic for a different day (especially painful for baseball).
Miami has a hard enough time filling in the OB, which--while not in Coral Gables, is centrally located.
The bottom line: if UM moves to Dolphin stadium, you can expect them to go the way of the Tulane Green Wave, Minnesota Golden Gophers, Pittsburgh Panthers, and most any other team that shares a stadium with an NFL team; ie.--formerly great programs that are perpetually mediocre now, and can't fill their--'er, the stadiums they rent--even if they didn't charge admission.
I'm all about $$$$ in CFB, but moving to Dolphin stadium would be a colossal short sell, and a huge catastrophe for Hurricane football. Those extra sky boxes that Dolphin stadium offers--will be freak'n VACANT, because no one wants to see an empty stadium. I know this, b/c I was in the Bull Gator Deck when the Gators spanked Auburn so badly in the first half, that the students' section was empty for the 2nd half (right after they disallowed re-entry). It wasn't good. No one's going to pay luxury suite prices for tickets to the 'canes, in 'fish stadium--when it's empty. They might turn a profit in the first 2 years or so, but they will lose their ass afterwards. I'm tell'n ya, it will be a catastrophe.
...oh well; better for the Gators, I guess (especially the ramifications in terms of recruiting).
On that note: this is GREAT NEWS!! Tear down that rickety ol' Orange Bowl, by golly!!! It's time Miami--time to trade up, and move into Dolphin Stadium!!
GO GATORS!!__________________________________________________
'Canes consider leaving Orange Bowl
By TONY BARNHART
Cox News Service
Tuesday, May 15, 2007AMELIA ISLAND, Fla. — Miami athletics director Paul Dee said Monday that the school is close to a decision on whether to move its football games from the old Orange Bowl Stadium to the newer Dolphin Stadium in Fort Lauderdale.
Miami's current lease with the downtown Orange Bowl, built in 1937, goes through the 2009 season. But if Miami strikes a deal with Dolphin Stadium, which could come as early as June's Board of Trustees meeting, it could move for the 2008 season.
Some Miami fans and those from opposing schools have complained about the condition of the Orange Bowl and the surrounding neighborhood. Other fans say the stadium is a big part of Miami's tradition and do not want to move. It would also be a pretty long haul (roughly 33 miles) to Fort Lauderdale for students at the Coral Gables campus.
More than $100 million has been committed for improvements to the Orange Bowl, but it will take about $180 million in renovations for Miami to sign a long-term lease to remain.
Financially, Miami could make more money by moving north of the city. The renovation plan for the Orange Bowl would include 30 luxury suites. Dolphin Stadium, formerly known as Joe Robbie Stadium, has 200.
"The Dolphins' stadium has all the tangibles but tradition plays a role in this," said Dee, who will retire on June 1, 2008. "The Orange Bowl has a lot of intangibles that are very important to our fans."
"It's going to be a tough decision no matter what we do," Dee said....
gatechdr said:
posted on May 31, 2007 1:07 PM — 74.38.122.110 — link — abuse?
yellow jackets will surprise quite a few people this year with most of offensive line and defense back.Throw in return of veteran backfield and with surprise win over over-rated Notre Dame,then Tech should win at least 10 games this year.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 1:14 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, please explain how UM is "wasting tax dollars RENTING space to play football games"
gatorhippy said:
posted on May 31, 2007 1:15 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
T-Gator (#111):
Thanks for the heads up with that article...
As I stated earlier, UM would be better off partnering with the city for improvements to the OB in exchange for the rent they have been paying...
Rather than continually dumping cash into promises of priorities that change with every city council election to a school that isn't even within the city limits...
Take the 80 mill that UM expects the city to pay for improvements (i.e. "footing the bill") and place their own interests in the faciltiy by ponying up their own money to make up the difference in what the city wants to spend and what UM wants to be spent...
I'll bet that behind doors somewhere the city is hoping that UM will make the jump to DS in order for the OB to be razed and make way for some type of revitalization project or other type of CRA division...
gatorhippy said:
posted on May 31, 2007 1:20 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#112):
Because when something is leased/rented, the tenant gains no equity or stake in said property...
Simple economics really...
As I said in #110...
"if the University of Miami had planned properly they could have built a modest sized stadium on campus in the late 70's/early 80's and then subsequently renovated in accordance to growing fan base, advancing technology, etc..."
Hence the U would have owned their own stadium and used the money that they haved paid in rent annually to further upgrade their stadium as the years passed by...
"
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 1:25 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
TampaGator, UM has pointed out the number of alumni within 20 miles of both stadiums is nearly equal (41,000 for the OB; 40,000 for Dolphin Stadium), so you can't say that the Orange Bowl is a more centralized location. However, there have been no polls or studies released as to what would happen with student attendance at the games. Will it decrease due to the added distance from campus? Will it increase due to some students not going to games now because they don't want to go to the ghetto that the Orange Bowl is located in? Or will these factors offset each other.
It doesn't matter where the Canes play their home games, athletes that have dreams of reaching the pros know that UM is a pipeline to the NFL and they will continue to got to UM wether the home games are played at Dolphins Stadium, the Orange Bowl, or at a new stadium.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 1:33 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy are you retarded?
re: post 114 Why would UM pay $80 million for renovations to the Orange Bowl? What would you say if I made you this offer: you can purchase me a new car, and in exchange for it, I will allow you to look at it. There is no difference between that and what you are suggesting. UM would have no legal title to the $80 million in leasehold improvements, the City which owns the stadium should pay for the much needed improvements!
re: post 115 Your simple economics are being too simple. Yes, if UM owned their stadium their rent (loan) payments would go towards building equity. However, in you simplistic example you are not factoring in the life of the stadium, the time value of money, the interest expense associated with the purchase of a multi-million dollar stadium, etc. When you factor all that in it is obvious that for a stadium that would not be located on campus, it doesn't make economic sense to purchase.
TampaGator said:
posted on May 31, 2007 1:33 PM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane/#116:
'Canes travel poorly; that's pretty well established. Moving them to 'lauderdale (actually in bef$%'n-twee FTL and MIA) won't help matters. It's almost as much a hike from FTL to downtown MIA as it is to freak'n Dolphin Stadium--except there's more to do in and around OB than there is around DS.
Anyway, in all honesty--I think we're wasting our time discussing this matter. I honestly don't think the Board of Trustees of Miami is that short sighted or stupid. They're using Dolphin stadium as a bargaining chip, trying to negotiate more $$$ out of Miami. They won't move; they know what the OB means to UM football...
...but it was nice dreaming about it for a bit.
GO GATORS!!Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 1:39 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
TampaGator, I agree that they will not move. They are using the proposal from Dolphin Stadium to get the City of Miami to ante up the additional $80 million. It leaves the City with an easy choice: 1. pay the additional $80 million to keep the Hurricanes in the Orange Bowl with the tax revenues for the games going to Miami or 2. don't agree to the $180 million in improvements and be stuck with an empty Orange Bowl and lose all the tax revenues from the football games (they would go to Broward due to Dolphin Stadium being in Miami Gardens)
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 1:43 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
I know that Gatorhippy will have trouble making the decision in post 119, and will decide to save the $80 million and have a useless stadium. However, people with knowledge of financial matters will easily decide that it is in the best interest of the city to pay the extra money in order to be able to keep receiving the rent and tax revenues.
TampaGator said:
posted on May 31, 2007 1:44 PM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane/#117:
You're sadly mistaken. A stadium would have paid for itself by now...
...my bad; that's when you can sell tickets consistently. Nevermind.
/#119:
I'm guessing the City of Miami's attorneys went to law school too. They'll see the tactic, and call the bluff.
They should meet somewhere in the middle; that's usually the way it plays out.
GO GATORS!!
GO GATORS!!
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 1:51 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
TampaGator, great knock on the attendance at the Orange Bowl. However, I will gladly let UF keep having higher attendance than UM as long as we keep dominating you in national titles. Do athletic programs measure their success on how many fans are in the stands or how many championships they win? Last count was UM 9, UF 4, so it doesn't look like your larger crowds are doing you any good does it?
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 1:55 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
re: 121
Don't be too overconfident with the City of Miami attorneys. I don't live in Miami so I don't know who their attorneys are; however, the typical city attorney is from the lower level of legal knowledge and UMs attorneys should be able to get what they want from them. There is no way UM will pay the $80 million, or even half like you suggest. I can't see them paying more than $20 million for the improvements if even that.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 2:02 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
I can't see UM paying 45% (80 of 180 million) of the total for improvements like gatorhippy believes, but I could see UM throwing Miami a little bone and agreeing to cover between 10 and 15% (between 18 and 27).
TampaGator said:
posted on May 31, 2007 2:05 PM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
TH/#122:
I'll take a stadium full of loyal fans, friends, boosters and alumni. The results of the games are secondary (except to the extent that they keep folks coming back for more). CFB is a celebration of comraderie, and an opp to market your school; the more "consumers" (or potential consumers)exposed to your marketing, the better.
As I've stated before, Championships are merely a higher form of marketing; they bring more consumers to your brand.
/#123:UM paying $$ was Gatorhippy's suggestion. Not altogether bad, either--if you can negotiate to get value back for your investment.
"Meeting in the middle" means City/Miami increasing its commitment from $100 mil to say $120-140, depending on how much the OB meanst to them.
UM oughtn't overplay it's hand; the OB may not be worth much vacant, but the land beneath is worth a fortune; and if UM comes out looking greedy, they give Miami politicians a free pass to demolish it, with no consequences (come on now; $100 Mil.; that ain't punk change son; that's real jack! You could almost build a stadium for that kind of $$$).
GO GATORS!!
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 2:12 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
TampaGator post 125 sounds like it comes from a loser school. You don't play sports to lose. I can't believe someone would actually say that the outcome of the game is secondary (that might be true in kids games, but not anything higher than junior high).
As for the value of the land beneath the Orange Bowl, if it was in just about any other part of Miami it would be worth a fortune. However, it is in the slums. The costs to destroy the Orange Bowl, and get the land ready for use would be huge especially when you factor in the neighborhood that the land is located in.
gatorhippy said:
posted on May 31, 2007 2:50 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane:
#117: You got that wrong with the car thing...
it's more like : I invested in refurbishing and customizing your car in exchange for my use of it as I saw fit free of charge...
The economics are not too simplistic, it's exactly what has happened at schools all over the country: Michigan, Ohio State, Florida, LSU, Florida State, Wisconsin all have LONG had on campus stadiums and grown and upgraded through the years as times, technology and fan bases have increased...
Again Miami dropped the ball 20, 30 even 40 years ago by not building an on-campus stadium then...
#119: I addressed what I believe is the City of Miami's intentions and how they would handle an empty OB in #114...
Tearing down the stadium and designating it as a CRA would be a much larger economic boon to the City of Miami than the change that UM leases te OB for...
#122: If we are going to talk overall titles and athletic progam prowess...
UF has won at least one individual or team national title every year since 1972...
Miami?
#123: You obviously have no experience whatsoever in municipal politics and government to make a statement as such...
I suggest attending the city council meetings there in Tampa and pay better attention to what's happening around town...
I think you'll see the city gets its way the majority of thime, largely because of their legal arm...
#124: The idea of paying into the renovation of the OB is no different than the Bucs kicking in money for the Big Sombrero, the Robbies dropping dough for DS, the Magic anteing up for a new arena in Orlando...
But the Canes would have to come stronger than the amount you're proposing...
As both, T-Gator and I pointed out the area and land potential on which the OB sits is worth
more than what the Canes are paying for use of the OB and the proposed 10 mill renovation...
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 3:08 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy,
#122 As I have stated on many previous posts, I could care less how many times UF has won a title in dodgeball, hop scotch, ugly women contests, etc. The only titles that should count are for major mens team sports.
#123 With my job, I can guarantee that I have a lot more knowledge about local governments than you do.
As for believing that Miami dropping the ball 30 and 40 years ago by not building a stadium on campus is crazy. Their football program didn't take off until the 80s so why would they have made a major investment in the 60s and 70s. A great comparison for this is do you believe the USF has dropped the ball by not building themselves a new stadium yet? Their program isn't successful enough now to handle the huge financial burden of a stadium, so they are just renting out Raymond James Stadium. (that is also a program that is better now than the Hurricanes we in the 70s). They had to make a choice with the available land that they had on campus the past few years and correctly decided it would be better for a University to build additional classrooms and parking than a football stadium.
As for the value of the land that the Orange Bowl stands on, I will agree that land is worth a lot in Miami, but the Orange Bowl is in the ghetto. If it was located just about any other place in Miami than it would be worth tearing down the Orange Bowl to build on, but with its location, its not that appealing.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 3:11 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, I don't know how many time I have to point this out for your brain to understand, but there is a big difference between stadiums being build on campus and stadiums being build off campus. Maybe with one of your weak responses you will realize that you shouldn't use examples of stadiums that are on campus while we are discussing ones off campus.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 3:25 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
To all fanblogs users...does anyone in here really believe that it doesn't matter if a program wins or loses, the true determination of a programs success is how many fans they can get into the stands?
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 3:30 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy,
Thanks for showing off that great UF edumacation. Gotta love the math that you were learned in which 10-15% of 180 million is $10 million.
I realize that you were trying to do the math and ran out of fingers and toes to count. So you don't tax your brain too much you should have stated it was an investment of between $18 and 27 million that I proposed.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 3:33 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, I'm still waiting for your response as to how UM is "wasting tax dollars RENTING space to play football games"
J Boe said:
posted on May 31, 2007 3:56 PM — 209.192.119.136 — link — abuse?
#131, TH
I love and enjoy supporting my team whether they win or lose. I prefer that they win every game and I am happier when they do win, but that won't change how I feel about my school. Alabama hasn't been winning for nearly a decade, but they are certainly still successful finacially. If you count championships we have not been successful lately, but we are still a commercially viable product.
Personnally if I had to choose whether I would prefer to win another national championship and attend games in an empty stadium with a generally apathetic fanbase or attend games in a packed stadium with a passionate (sometimes overly passionate) crowd, I would choose the latter.
What good is winning championships when you can't enjoy it?
I think the saying "Quality over Quantity" says it all.gatrohippy said:
posted on May 31, 2007 4:12 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane:
#129: "The only titles that should count are for major mens team sports."
Are you saying then we should just scrap all athletics period in favor of only of the men's sports of football, basketball and baseball...
Or is it because Miami's athletic department has no claim that can even compare with those such as USC, Stanford, Texas, Florida...
That's either convenient or antiquated thinking depending on which way you're leaning...
And as for city government knowledge...
I worked in city government for over ten years in a departmental leadership position and have served two terms as a city commissioner including a two year stint as mayor...
I'd say I'm pretty well versed in the nuances of city government...
How bout you?
As far as UM missing out on not building a stadium on campus...
UF football wasn't even a blip on the radar until around the same time as the Canes and yet their has been an on campus stadium in Gainesville since 1930....
Compared to Miami who began playing in the Orange Bowl in 1937 moving there from a 6,000 seat stadium in the Miami area...
You give the USF comparison...
I offer two counterpoints...
UCF: Building their own on campus stadium after playing out of the Citrus Bowl for over 20 years in order to reap all the revenue and develop on campus culture for their no where near as successful(by UM standards) program....
FIU: Will be the Hurricanes roomates at the OB this year as they EXPAND their current on-campus facility to 21,000 by 2008 and to 45,000 by 2010 and yet they aren't a bug on the windshield of CFB with the exception of their brawl with UM last year... This facility has been on the FIU campus since 1995; SEVEN years before the school even had a football team...
If these schools can do it, certainly UM can NOW and SHOULD have then...
gatorhippy said:
posted on May 31, 2007 4:23 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane:
#132: That was a typo at the end of #128...
Should have read "100 mill"...
I was referring to the value of the land and the 100 million dollars the city has proposed for renovation of the OB versus the value of the Canes and their paltry amount of rent they pay to use the Orange Bowl...
Had nothing to do with what Miami might be willing to pay in for renovation...
However, upon further investigation I came across a few articles that state the city is more interested in building a baseball specific stadium for the Marlins on the OB site with exactly the type of community redevelopment district surrounding it that I proposed earlier...
#133: Learn to actually read the posts...
My post at #115 addresses it...
Or in other words: Money paid to rent is wasted dollars...
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on May 31, 2007 4:28 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy you might not know this, but the last time I checked, UM was still a private university. i.e. tax payer dollars do not go to it. Maybe you should learn how to read posts before commenting on them, otherwise you look like you lack common knowledge while saying that a private university is wasting taxpayer money.
gatorhippy said:
posted on May 31, 2007 4:31 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#130):
You're right...
There is a lot of differences with on-campus stadiums versus off-campus stadiums...
Mostly in revenue/cost difference...
It costs a school more in the long run to play off campus and miss out on totla revenue as opposed to having the campus on stadium and collecting ALL the revenue...
Maybe the real problem with UM athletics are the boosters and alumni...
The ones that are willing to cough up cash and/or give freely are few and far between when the collection hat comes out...
But wanna be the first ones to chest thump when the school does something great...
Which are you, T-Cane?
gatorstud said:
posted on May 31, 2007 4:47 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
t-hurricane.....why should the four major sports be the only ones counted towards national champ...doesn't tennis, volleyball, or even wrestling teams deserve a national trophy..i mean , if we go by your statement...... "The only titles that should count are four major mens team sports"....the we should just scrap all of college sports except for the major four....
does anyone else on this blog think this is the stupidest statement anyone has written??????????.....hey i've got an idea..why don't we get all the "OTHER" sport athletes together and tell them that they are all losers and not real athletes because they don't play a real sport, and we can take all their hard work and dedication, as well as their achievments and trophies, in their respective sports that are very rarely watched and throw it all down the drain.....
and what four sports are you talking about...football, basketball, baseball....is your fourth......hockey?.....because i thought the frozen four tournament was freakin awesome this year....
t-hurricane...i have liked your posts because their are straight to the point and insightful...but your last one (#129) was over the top....
jmo.....
go gators and hokies
TampaGator said:
posted on May 31, 2007 4:54 PM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
Tampa 'Cane/#131:
"...does anyone in here really believe that it doesn't matter if a program wins or loses, the true determination of a programs success is how many fans they can get into the stands?..."
I'll field that one, since I provoked it.
First, funny how YOU discount the value of those "other" NC's or non-major sports--then fail to understand what makes them "major". What separates the "major" sports from the others?
Can you say "attendance?" That's where the $$$ comes from; that's what gets the TV guys interested. (See Notre Dame).
Second: Do you strap on the pads and hit someone? No? then those victories are the fruits of someone else's work.
Win, lose or draw, it's still "...great to be a Florida Gator..." I'm there to support my team, and celebrate being a Gator, because "...in all kinds of weather, we all stick together...". When they win--gravy. When they lose--I still have my education, my memories...
Apparently UM Fan wants to take credit for the team's work, but not do their part (i.e.--show the f*%$k up, and spend some damn $$$!).
Here I was comparing UM to Pitt, MN, and Tulane. Look at what UM has come to--being compared to USF, UCF, FIU...
I think I'll scalp me a ticket for about $5 next year, and take in a 'canes game at the OB....have me some pig on a stick, drink me some cafe Cubano, smoke me a big 'ol fat cigar...while I still can.
...I'll be EZ to spot; I'll be the guy decked out loudly and proudly in glorious Orange and BLUE!!
GO GATORS!!
TampaGator said:
posted on May 31, 2007 5:10 PM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy:
"...Tearing down the stadium and designating it as a CRA would be a much larger economic boon to the City of Miami than the change that UM leases te OB for..."
I was chewing on this one for a while to see if I could figure it out--I'm drawing a blank. Pardon my ignorance, but what's a CRA?
GO GATORS!!5o Cal USMC said:
posted on May 31, 2007 6:25 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
OU Fan,
Well you know about "DeMarco Murry" cause your an OK fan/insider, but how many Yards did he Average this past year??? Potential is still only potential, OU Fan. So his impact is YTBD (though I heard a lot about the guy; Bishop Gorman HS, Las Vegas). But they didnt you NAME "the 2 running backs" who stepped in for an injured Adrian Peterson l/y?
Some JUCO backup, and a Freshman who got about Half his season's Total Yards against Baylor.Anyway, everything being relative, even being optimistic, OK's Backfield isnt very impressive heading into the season compared to other teams' out there (they'll have to rely on their veteran O-Line a lot).
5o Cal USMC said:
posted on May 31, 2007 6:32 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
OU fan,
DeMarco Murry didnt play last year. Its still only 'potential' were talking about with him (promising RB from Bishop Gorman HS, Las Vegas). The other two RBs are... some back-up JUCO, and a Freshman who racked up half his Yards against Baylor. The point is, compared to other teams' backfields, OK's isnt really impressive.
(this might seem repetative, but I dont know if my previous post went through or not)
50 CAL USMC said:
posted on May 31, 2007 6:50 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
McDuck (93), I personally have RB Jonathan Stewart as my Pre-Season 1st Team All-American, All-Purpose Runner(RB/KR)... so I dont think that "Heisman" speculation would be that unreasonable.
There's only a handfull of returning players that averaged more A-P Yds/Game than Stewart did (Slaton, McFadden, Rice...).Anyway, O State will probably end-up in the middle of the pack, in the PAC. I expect a lot of parity in the Conference this year.
Oregon, ASU, Arizona, Washington, Oregon St... any of those teams could end-up in the top 25. Wazzu is probably the only team thats gonna have a major drop-off, cause even Stanford looks to be improved.50 Cal USMC said:
posted on May 31, 2007 7:59 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
The only REAL issues here...
- Winston Justice; "suspicion of felony assault" was actually only 3 misdermeanors on exhibiting a rplica firearm. It was one of the FEW cases that ended with a player actually being Sentenced.
... USC/Carroll Suspended him for a Year.
- Eric Wright; caught with drugs (regarding the other allegations, the Los Angeles D.A. did not press charges, Not Enough Evidence!)... USC/Carroll essentially booted him from the team, a Year and a half Suspension. Eric Wright NEVER played another Down for USC after that.
None of the other Allegations proved to be anything more than a-l-l-e-g-a-t-i-o-n-s.
ei, Rey Maualuga; Punching a guy. No Charges were filed... USC/Carroll initially demoted Maualuga to the scout team... and I believe the guy later attended anger management training (N-o. C-h-a-r-g-e-s)...
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on May 31, 2007 11:10 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane post 95
thanks for making my point about the drive to Joe Rob..... Now I am sure the wonderful fans will make it in time for a 12:00 or 1:00 kick off. I mean all the students will be there. Poor Clemson and FSU will not have anyone show up for their games. I mean it so so far from campus.
We can talk about what you did five years ago, or even talk about your last national title. But let't talk about THIS year. Let's talk about what you did in 2004, 2005 and 2006..... Players from those teams will be on the 2007 squad. Players from those teams are 1-1 against that pathetic Clemson team. Players from those teams are 1-2 against FSU. Players from those teams are 1-2 against Va. Tech, Players from those teams are 1-2 against Ga. Tech and Players from those teams are 0-1 against Maryland. Since 2004, Clemson has a .542 in coference winning percentage..... Miami has .583 I hardly think 4 percentage points is domination.
Sorry you are so sensitive about it. Miami has a wonderful tradition, but the point of my post was..... Looking at last year's results and the fact that you have a new coach coming in....I do not think Miami deserves to be in the Top 20 preseason..... i hope they prove me wrong. I hope they do this for the conference... we need the old Miami back.
T-Mac said:
posted on May 31, 2007 11:24 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Question...were these polls compiled before or after Mustain left Arkansas? They are #8 and 9 in 2 of these polls. With Mustain I think they had a shot, but now I don't think so. Arkansas will go bowling, but they wont win the SEC West this season. Any feedback?
*T-Mac approved this message.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 8:00 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, you are doing a good job of coming up with so called comparisons that make you warped way of thinking sound correct; however, if you looked at the universities you are trying to compare stadiums with against UM, you will see you have two glaring problems. In all your responses you keep coming up with public schools that have been able to build stadiums on campus. If you remember, UM is a private university that doesn't have room for an oncampus stadium. Try to actually find some comparisons that have the same facts instead of switching the key components to meet your thoughts.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 8:11 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
TampaGator,
re:145 when discussing major athletics compared to minor, the difference is revenue producing. It has a lot more components than your simplistic view of only attendance. I don't expect a gator to be able to comprehend the impact of different sources of revenue producing, since UF has managed to lose money by going to the championship game.
Also if you try to read the original post that is comparing UM to FIU, USF, and UCF, it is comparing UM in the 60s and 70s to those programs now. Please try to actually read the entire post before you comment on one small part of a large post.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 8:20 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
tampagator and gatorhippy,
You seem to be quick to blame UM for not looking ahead in the 60s and 70s and building a stadium on campus. Have you taken the time to consider that maybe UM decided that they had better uses for the money? Last time I checked the reason the universities were in existance was to give a quality education to students. This is a quote per the UF website: "The University of Florida's student-faculty ratio, 21/1, places it third from last out of 120 institutions surveyed, according to the figures provided by US News and World Report (March 2007). This compares unfavorably with peer public AAU universities." Could it be time for UF to remember what it means to be a university and place some of the funding they receive from my taxpayer dollars into giving students a quality education.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 8:28 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, you can't truthfully state:
"the real problem with UM athletics are the boosters and alumni...The ones that are willing to cough up cash and/or give freely are few and far between when the collection hat comes out..."
UM historically rates high in the alumni contribution rates, so your statement is just plain wrong!
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 8:40 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
CUTotalTiger UM is still playing in the Orange Bowl this year, so they won't have to worry about the extra drive this season. Punishing UM in the polls due to the fact that they have a coaching change is crazy. Coker didn't know how to use all the talent the team had so any coaching change should improve UM. Factor in what Shannon has done with the defense since he was added to the UM staff, and that UM didn't lose too many players to the draft and you are looking at a much improved team. As I previously stated, I am glad that UM isn't in the top 25 for preseason polls because it should give them a chip on their shoulder that they haven't had since Coker took over. A disrespected UM team historically has been a dangerous UM team to face.
cctke455 said:
posted on June 1, 2007 8:41 AM — 168.216.24.38 — link — abuse?
How did this blog turn into a conversation about the University of Miami??? The football program is dead...D.E.A.D. The facilities suck, the allumni support sucks, and now the team sucks. They will lucky to make a bowl game this year. Go Florida State and Virginia Tech!!!!
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 1, 2007 8:53 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#157):
You don't like those and want private schools...
Here ya go...
Rice: Built in 1950 seating 70,000; after a few renovations now only seats 45, 000 for football but can be converted back to 70,000 when needed...
Duke: Wallace Wade built in 1929; house football and track and seats 33,941...
Stanford: Stanford Stadium built in 1921 and renovated through the years to now seat 50,000
Notre Dame: I don't think any explanation is necessary here...
All have on campus stadiums...
Note that two Duke and Rice have NEVER had the success that UM has...
And stop using campus size as an excuse for not OWNING a stadium...
Both Wake Forest and Vanderbilt OWN off campus stadiums...
WFU: Groves Stadium built in 1968 seats 31,500
Vandy: Vandy Stadium at Dudley Field built in 1922 seating 20,000 currently seating 34,000
Again note that neither has had anywhere near the success that UM has had...
From what I see...
The glaring difference between UM and these other private schools is the annual endowment size...
All of the above have annual endowments in the billions...
While UM's annual endowment is usually around 150 to 200 million...
Again...
If UM had planned properly years ago AND their alumni and boosters would've ponied up a long time ago the Canes would have a stadium to call their own...
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 9:06 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, thanks for finding two programs that are private and have built their own stadiums off campus. WFU and Vandy are glaring success of why a small private school should build a stadium off campus. How successful has that been for them in terms of winning? If you believe that UM should follow in the footsteps of WFU and Vandy to have a successful program, then you are crazy.
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 1, 2007 9:15 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Gator (#146):
CRA has two different meanings that are conducive to each other in relation...
Comunity Redevelopment Area which is usually governed and managed by a Communtiy Redevelopment Agency formed by a municipality...
A few examples:
www.uptownaltamonte.com
www.crala.org
http://www.tustinca.org/tcra/index.htm
http://ci.ftlaud.fl.us/cra/index.htm
http://www.ci.miami.fl.us/cra/about_us.HTMAnd one that hits close to home for T-Cane and yourself...
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 1, 2007 9:22 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#164):
So are you saying that WFU and Vandy haven't had success because they own off-campus stadiums?
Or just attempting to deflect from the fact; in face of limited success; both have the endowment funding to allow them to pursue such endeavors?
Again...
With proper planning and alumni and boosters ponying up, UM COULD HAVE built their own stadium...
ON or OFF campus...
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 9:28 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, I'm just stating that owning a stadium isn't as big a deal as you are making it out to be. There are successful programs that rent, there are successful programs the own, there are losers that rent, and there are losers that own. I'm just reminding you that you can't find any applicable examples to support your opinion. The only two examples that you have given me (WFU and Vandy) were unsuccessful football programs that own their own stadium.
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 1, 2007 9:41 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#167):
When a program is looking at the prospect of driving an HOUR to play HOME games...
The fact that a school COULD have owned their own stadium NEAR campus is a VERY BIG DEAL...
Leasing a stadium takes a lot of REVENUE out of the pockets of the school that does so...
Revenue which benefits the ENTIRE school in both the athletic AND academic areas...
Let me just put it this way...
Had UM planned accordingly they could have a terrific 50,000 seat stadium that would be up to date (instead of dumping money into rent), historical (given their success), and a big revenue producer (not just through football, but side events as well) for the entire institution of the University of Miami as a whole...
Instead they have become a revenue producer for the City of Miami and, possibly, Broward County next...
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 1, 2007 9:48 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#167):
Only TWO examples!!??!?!???
I gave you FIU and UCF...
Which you whined weren't private U's...
So I provided you with 5 more examples of PRIVATE U's that either have on campus or off campus facilties of which 4 have nowhere near the success and traditon that UM has...
But yet were still able to establish their own facilities either on or off campus in the face of that limited success...
The sucess of the program has nothing to do with it...
However...
Given the success that UM has had in the last 25 years it certainly OCULD have been a viable option to leasing the OB...
But UM just doesn't seem to have the finacial support...
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 10:22 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy...you only gave two examples that fit the key facts. A private university that would have to purchase an off campus stadium. I could careless about how many public universities you can show me have wasted taxpayer money such as FIU and UCF to build a stadium for a program that is losing money. If you want to prove you factless opinion, then you need to be able to show me more than WFU and Vandy.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 10:22 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy...you only gave two examples that fit the key facts. A private university that would have to purchase an off campus stadium. I could careless about how many public universities you can show me have wasted taxpayer money such as FIU and UCF to build a stadium for a program that is losing money. If you want to prove your factless opinion, then you need to be able to show me more than WFU and Vandy.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 10:29 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, if the revenue from the stadium is supposed to help academics as you claim, then why is the following true about UF which owns its own stadium and supposedly has lots of alumni donating money to the university? "The University of Florida's student-faculty ratio, 21/1, places it third from last out of 120 institutions surveyed, according to the figures provided by US News and World Report (March 2007). This compares unfavorably with peer public AAU universities."
Unlike your claim, (at least at UF) it doesn't look like the revenue from owning your own stadium is helping your academics!
More from your school:
"First, the student-faculty ratio is a rough indicator of the resources put into the university's educational mission...Second, faculty size is connected with the research productivity of the University of Florida..." looks like with all the resources that UF has they could careless about the university's educational mission according to their website. Where are all these resources that owning your own stadium contributes to academics?gatorhippy said:
posted on June 1, 2007 10:33 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane:
A couple of other points here...
T-Cane said in post # 131:
"As for believing that Miami dropping the ball 30 and 40 years ago by not building a stadium on campus is crazy. Their football program didn't take off until the 80s so why would they have made a major investment in the 60s and 70s."
That even makes my examples of WFU and Vandy even more viable...
Neither has had the success that Miami has enjoyed but yet still had the foresight and financial ability that apparently the UM admin, boosters and alumni do not...
Also from #131:
"A great comparison for this is do you believe the USF has dropped the ball by not building themselves a new stadium yet?"As we see here YOU opened up the discussion of comparisons with a public university and then decided that since it didn't hold water; as I pointed out with the UCF and FIU examples; that you wanted a focus on private schools instead...
Which I supplied...
Then when I give you examples of 5 private schools; two of which OWN off-campus facilites; you want to dimiss their viability because their programs have historically sucked...
In reference to your post #157...
It appears your the one warping things in an attempt to fit your side of the discussion...
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 10:42 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
re: 174 the quotes come straight off of the ufl.edu website, but I will have the exact page for you in a couple of minutes.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 10:47 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
http://www.president.ufl.edu/workPlan.html
The quotes come from the office of the president of UF in his workplan. It states "Goal: Design and implement a program for increasing the number of faculty to achieve parity with top ten public AAU universities in those departments and colleges most critical for the University of Florida's core mission and academic reputation." which based on UF's position of 117 out of 120 makes it sound like your president has to be stoned out of his mind.
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 1, 2007 10:49 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#172):
Nevermind...
I got it...
You failed to leave out the comparisons listed after along with dismissing the fact that this survey only covers 120 schools...
Wisco and tOSU: 13/1
UNC, Illinois, Mich, Cal-Berk, UVA: 14/1 to 15/1
Texas: 18/1Also all come from that same bit of info you provide...
Seems while UF might be behind they aren't far behind and the initiative has begun to correct that as per Dr. Machen...
More than likely the student pop has swelled and UF si making the adjustments to keep up and are able to do so because of various amounts of revenue generated through various endeavors...
Such as Tuition, Research grants and profits and ATHLETICS...
Nice try though, T-Cane...
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 10:57 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy thanks for pointing out that as far back as 157 I have been trying to allow you to come up with comparable examples for your point, and all you have come up with is WFU and Vandy.
There is no way that you can say that building a stadium in the 60s or 70s would have been a good use of money. Yes, if WFU or Vandy takes off then you can say they had the financial ability and foresight to make the investment early on. However, if they continue to be shitty programs, then you also need to say that they wasted their money that could have been put to better uses!
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 11:06 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
Eventhough FIU shouldn't be used in this debate, since you keep bringing them up here are some key facts that prove FIU is run by a bunch of idiots. "While the football program cost FIU $4.4 million to run in 2004-2005, the school sold a mere $112 thousand in tickets and garnered another $90 thousand in media rights, conference and NCAA distributions, and advertising and sponsorship revenues." Lets say that a typical stadium costs between 75 and 100 million to build...at FIU it will only take them between 669.65 and 892.86 years of ticket sales to cover the costs of an average stadium. Something tells me than anyone with business sense will see that that is a terrible decision. I hope that the other UF supporters on hear can at least admit that FIU as one of your chosen examples is terrible! At FIU students subsidize 75% of the costs of the athletics through student fees and tuition! Due to FIU having financial difficulties due to building their own stadium for a program that loses $4 million per year, FIU had to cut a "men’s soccer program that had won two national championships in the 1980s when FIU was still in Division II, and had lost in the NCAA Division I national title game in 1996 to St. John’s. The team is the only sports program in the school’s history to win a national title, and it has produced numerous professional players including Steve Ralston, a perennial Major League Soccer All-Star selection. In effect, FIU traded a highly successful men’s soccer program for a poor football team that loses roughly 4 times as much money as the soccer team did while bringing national disgrace to the university!"
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 1, 2007 11:07 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#178):
How have they wasted money?
They are both EXTREMELY successful academic schools that have had the foresight to invest in their own facilites with generous endowments generated through an obviously endearing and generous alumni and booster base...
IN THE FACE OF LIMITED SUCCESS...
Meanwhile, as UM has gotten more and more successful...
THEY HAVE LIMITED FUNDING FROM THEIR SO-CALLED SUPPORTERS...
That's the whole basis here, T-Cane...
As UNSUCCESSFUL as WFU and Vandy have been they have mustered the support to not only build their own facilites but have been able to up date and expand with limited program success...
Bottom line: UM could have done the same years ago but chose to pay rent...
Now the Canes face the prospect of an hour drive for home games in the near future...
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 11:11 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy since you are saying the both WFU and Vandy are successful, what kind of a profit are their football programs making? I used your example (even thought the facts don't make it comparable you want to keep bringing it up) to show FIU having to use tuition to cover the costs of a stadium. How can that be good for a university that is supposed to be about giving students a quality education?
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 11:15 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy
re:177Do you know how to read? This is an exact copy of what was stated in post 172 "The University of Florida's student-faculty ratio, 21/1, places it third from last out of 120 institutions surveyed, according to the figures provided by US News and World Report (March 2007). This compares unfavorably with peer public AAU universities."
As you should be able to tell when it states they were third from last out of 120 institutions surveyed, that there were 120 schools in the study. I don't know how in post 177 you can say "You failed to leave out the comparisons listed after along with dismissing the fact that this survey only covers 120 schools..." when if fact it clearly states it in my post. Please try to have someone else read the posts to you if you are unable to read for yourself.
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 1, 2007 11:26 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#179):
But according to you the only sports that matter in college are major mens sports...
So in regard to your philosophy covering college sports FIU is right in line...
So who is wrong here FIU or you?
Or maybe both?
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 1, 2007 11:32 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#182):
The survey only covers 120 schools...
How many colleges and universities are there in the US alone, T-Cane?
Speaking of reading...
Perhaps if you had continue to read Dr. Machen's article you would have also have seen that the faculty issue need to be lowered in order to provide more time spent on research as opposed to teaching...
Or in other words, add more faculty to better delegate teaching duties in order to continue to advance research options...
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 1, 2007 11:38 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#181):
Again perhaps YOU should work on your reading...
I said WFU and Vandy were successful ACADEMICALLY...
I don't know what there bottom line is as far as profit/cost ratio in regards to football...
But I can easily draw the conclusion that it must be better than UM's historically as they have been able to build, expand, update, and maintain their OWN facilities...
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 11:44 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, as I stated in the original post that it was survey of 120 schools. Something tells me that the US News and World Report isn't going to specifically select schools to make UF appear worse. It was a survey that supposedly included UF's peer public AAU universities, only to find out that UF was at the bottom of student ratio.
As for the sports quote, I stated for national championships the only ones that count are from the major mens programs. I didn't state that the other programs should be cancelled as some of them are fun to watch; however, the championships shouldn't count while comparing major college programs.
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 1, 2007 11:53 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane(#186):
It's becoming obvious you have no idea what you are talking about in regards to this whole student faculty ratio idea...
Again while UF is third to last out of the 120 schools selected by US News...
UF is only five to eight instructors out of whack with its AAU peers...
Not so grievous as you make it sound...
Read the entire article, T-Cane...
The faculty are needed to be added for RESEARCH purposes, not classroom instruction...
BTW, Is UM an AAU peer?
Thought not...
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 1, 2007 12:15 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane:
Just for fun let's compare Vanduy and WFU with UM in terms of student population, founding year and endowment size...
Vandy: 12,000, 1873, 2.92 Billion
WFU: 4500, 1839, 1.15 billion
Miami: 15,000, 1925, 620 millionAnd for fun lets throw Duke and ND in since they have comparable student body sizes and they're private...
Duke: 12,000, 1924, 4.5 billion
ND: 12,000, 1842, 5.5 billionDo you see where the glaring difference is?
In UM's endowment funds...
"da U" has alumni that DON'T give back to the school...
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 1, 2007 12:52 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane:
You can add Baylor to that list of PRIVATE schools that OWN their own stadium OFF campus...
Yet again another school that has seen limited football success (especially compared to the Canes) but yet can seem to work out on their own how to build, maintqain, update, and expand their own facilty off campus...
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 1, 2007 1:05 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane:
In thinking back...
You named Pitt as a school that leases a stadium...
However, Pitt is in a partnership with the City of Pittsburgh and the NFL's Steelers in use of Heinz...
In it, the Steelers and the Panthers are actually the co-operating body of the stadium while the city owns the facility...
The same thing I propose Miami do wiht the OB...
Put up half the cash for renovation, take the operation responsibilities over, and play there rent free...
That's not so bad...
Given the school is too cash and land poor to build their own...
TampaGator said:
posted on June 1, 2007 2:05 PM — 64.12.116.77 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane/#158:
"...It has a lot more components than your simplistic view of only attendance. I don't expect a gator to be able to comprehend the impact of different sources of revenue producing..."
The simplicity of that post was simply to drive home the point--ie., the importance of attendance. You don't get the importance of attendance? I promise you, you will--if the 'canes move to Dolphin Stadium.
Subtle suggestion: stop with the "...you don't know what you're talking about..." crap. You're not exactly coming off as the most learned scholar, nor as one of great business acumen.
Furthermore, I was going to let this one slide, but since you've climbed back on your pedestal, here's one for you--if you think those city attorneys are so stupid...why don't you go ahead and try to land one of those jobs; let us know how that one goes.
_________________________________________________"...since UF has managed to lose money by going to the championship game..."
Where the hell does this come from?? UF lost money by going to BCS game??? Please elaborate--i.e., cough up your sources. UF Football is VERY profitable when we don't even go to a Bowl; how the hell can you suggest we lost money when me went to the highest paying Bowl in the BCS????
I call Bullshit.
__________________________________________________Frankly, I think you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Where the hell do you stand????
I very clearly think it is in UM's best interest to stay in OB; therefore as a Gator, I'd like to see them move to Dolphin Stadium. (Though, sentimentally--I'd like to see them stay in OB, since, as I said b4, I got a weak spot for 'canes--and some good memories at OB, and b/c the OB has a lot of character...).
I can't even tell where you stand on the issue. The best I can discern, is that for you, whatever UM decides, is right (see post #102)--it must be, because they are the mighty UM. For all your smack, you ain't got the balls to predict now, whether it's better for 'canes be in stay in OB or move to DS; you're just waiting for your marching orders. That in my book, is chickenshit.
Gatorhippy and I have both, boldly and unequivocally shared our honest analysis--about a program we don't pretend to call our own. All you've done is attempt (rather weakly, I might add) to poke holes in our analyses, without offering your own. (Notice JBoe @ #185 even has to inquire where the hell you stand).
But please, tell us again how stupid we are, and how incapable we are, of comprehending all those profound economic concepts that you have such a great mastery over. We'll probably just get another good laugh at whatever you post anyway.
GO GATORS!!Wazthehokie said:
posted on June 1, 2007 2:24 PM — 192.44.136.113 — link — abuse?
IrishRobotgenious says "the irish prefer being underdogs" WHHHHAAAAATTTTT!!!!???? when has ND ever been UNDERrated.... need i remind you that they are WINLESS in their last 9 yes 9 bowl games That is almost a decade of failure in bowl games. You know why!? They are playing far superior competition that they dont deserve to play. A testament to them being OVERranked year in and year out. Cant wait until GT kills 'em. Although it is a matchup of who lost more talent and will most likely be a terrible game.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 3:21 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
TampaGator, have you ever heard of a news paper called the St. Pete Times. They did a story about 3 weeks ago(which was the main story on the front page of the sports section), in which broke down all the expenses that UF incurred for the title game (travel, meals, entertainment, rings, etc.) and compared it to the revenue that they received from the game. What they came down to and what the Florida athletic director discussed is going to the championship games has cost UF money. According to the AD, UF has lost money by going to the basketball and football championship games. If you want to call bullshit, then you have to call it against both the St. Pete Times and the UF athletic director. Also, you need to remember that while it is the highest paying bowl game, UF was paid less money than OSU to be there (BCS game proceeds are divided up among all the teams in the BCS conference not just the team that made the bowl game)
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 3:30 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
Here is where I stand on the stadium issue:
1. If Miami is willing to do the much needed improvements to the Orange Bowl of approx $160, then I believe that UM should stay there.
2. If Miami decides to continue to be cheap with the improvements, then UM should go to Dolphin Stadium.
Dolphin Stadium will be less convinent for students to attend, but for alumni according to UM surveys it will be equal distance. The Orange Bowl has been good to UM and I would love to see them stay there; however, without the much needed improvements, presently it is a dump. If Miami would do the improvements, than I believe that due to the history and it being a major part of the UM program, then UM should sign a long-term lease for the Orange Bowl.
You are correct in that you offered your opinion about the stadium situation; however, you are lacking on facts and data to support your claims. Anyone can claim that their opinion is correct, but without data it is shit. I have given you plenty of facts to prove that your point about it being in the best interest of a university to build their own stadium, is incorrect. When I do post these facts, and statistics and ask for your rebuttal, all that is received is silence! Please explain to me how it is in the best interest for a program like FIU to build a stadium in which it will take over 600 years to reach the break-even point.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 3:35 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
TampaGator
re: 193
Your are correct your peers are the AAU. Also that study by the US News and World Report, compared UF to 119 other AAU schools that are your peers and UF was the shit in that study. Try to taint it any way you want to but 118 out of 120 is terrible. Why don't you just admit that UF needs to hire more professors? It's that simple. There is no way that you can possible change the stat. 118 out of 120! There were only two of your peers that had a worse student to teacher ratio than UF!
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 1, 2007 3:46 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#196):
Yeah...
About that little figure you stuck up regarding the FIU stadium...
That stadium is being constructed for 54 million dollars...
Maybe you should check YOUR facts and educate yourself before you start throwing out inaaccurate conjecture...
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 3:50 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, actually according to their website there are 63. Without looking up the membership information, I misread when it was discussing the 120 universities and the AAU that all members of the study were AAU members. This still doesn't change that UF finished 118 out of 120 in the study that incluede AAU members and nonmembers.
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 1, 2007 3:51 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#196):
Here's the link in case you want to verify that...
http://www.miamiherald.com/588/story/119524.html
And what was that you were saying about posting sh!t?
I beleive in the last couple of posts you've thrown up we've established exactly who's been spouting poo...
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 3:54 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy
re:199 as I stated in my post it was an estimated cost for a stadium. Does it make a huge difference that at current ticket sales it will only take 482.15 years to break even instead of 669? Please explain how an investment with a break even point of 482 years is a good investment.
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on June 1, 2007 3:57 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, I'll admit when I am wrong. Will you? The figure for the stadium was an estimate. Why don't you just admit that it was a shitty investment for FIU. How long can a program that loses 4 million dollars per year stay in existance? I seriously doubt they will be able to stay in existance for the 482 years it takes to break even on the stadium.
SC Football Fan said:
posted on June 1, 2007 4:24 PM — 67.115.24.30 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane and gatorhippy, give it up.
USC is ranked #1 on all five of the preseason polls mentioned above. This could well be, Pete Carroll's best team ever (see Los Angeles Times, 5/25/07, http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke25may25,1,171309.column?ctrack=2&cset=true). They are extremely competitive and fired up. Last season's loss to UCLA was a fluke. The Trojans won't let that happen again. I predict this will be SC's year to go undefeated and be National Champions.
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 1, 2007 4:26 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane (#204):
Your ignorance is really starting to show more and more...
Your figures are way off base given inflation for the tickets, additional ticket sales generated by increased seating, increased booster contribution, etc, etc...
The bulk of funds for ANY type of University project is largely provided through bonds which are repaid through booster and alumni contribution along with estate endowments...
And in FIU's case...
If you had bothered to do a little research on FIU you would have seen in addition to their base funding from booster and alumni contribution, FIU is also receiving funds from the NCAA, existing vendors, and athletic fees (which you mentioned)...
As well as future revenue from naming rights, coporate sponsorship, vendor revenues, ticket sales and special events such as concerts and conventions...
As well as the fact that the 54 million dollar price tag will also include...
100,000 squarew foot Student Center which will relocate all student services (admissions, guidance, FA, etc.)...
So it seems even for the fees that you are trying to dog the school with tagging the students with FIU students will receive something that won't just serve the football team...
Maybe you should really try to do some more research before claiming your uniformed statements as gospel...
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 1, 2007 4:52 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
T-Cane:
Possibly of even more interest to you...
Louisville's Papa John's Cardinal Stadium was built with a booster and fan driven private funding of 63 million dollars...
Because the KY General Assembly refused to fund it...
5 million of which they got back after they sold naming rights to the pizza compnay...
That stadium has been regarded a boon to the university as it has aided in releiving lots of commuter parking issues that otherwise would have been problematic in developing new housing on campus...
Which with new housing has helped the school begin to move even further past its commuter roots...
Even more amazing is that EVERY seat in "the Oven" is a chairback seat...
Not one bleacher anywhere in the stadium...
So here we have a stadium that was built entirely on private donation at a school such as Louisville with hardly any type of football history what so ever and hardly matching any where near the Canes (other than the beat down UM received last season)...
But yet...
They can still pull it together and build a really nice stadium with a little planning and a terrific booster, alumni, and fan base...
How come "da U" can't do the same?
Well, I think I've answered that question enough, but what the hell one more time won't hurt...
Because UM doesn't have the support...
Plain and simple...
So it is obviously possible to build a modest sized stadium with out incurring any cost what so ever...
TampaGator said:
posted on June 1, 2007 5:54 PM — 64.12.116.77 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane:
"...According to filings college athletic departments make with the U.S. Department of Education...Florida is No. 5, with an operating profit of $32.4 million..."
see: http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/08/commentary/sportsbiz/index.htm
Also, below is a list of the top 15 most valuable CFB teams per Forbes; UF is #5 (valued at $77 mil); UM doesn't register (ND is #1--of course--at $97 (your welcome, Irish Fan)).See
http://newsinfo.nd.edu/content.cfm?topicid=20864.
for more legible presentation.
So I guess we do alright; but thanks for your concern.GO GATORS!!
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The most valuable college football teams
By: Jack Gage & Peter J. Schwartz
Date: December 22, 2006
From: ForbesOhio State and Florida may be playing for the national championship of college football on Jan. 8 in the Tostitos BCS championship game, but the real winner by our calculations is Notre Dame.
The Fighting Irish football program is worth $97 million based on what the team contributes to the university’s athletic department for non-football sports ($23.5 million), the University’s academic use ($23.2 million), and the incremental sales to South Bend, Ind., and the surrounding county when the team plays games at Notre Dame Stadium.
Big advantage for the Fighting Irish: A $9 million annual broadcasting fee from NBC, owned by General Electric, by far the most for any team. It also helps Notre Dame that it plays as an independent team, not belonging to an NCAA conference — so it doesn't have to share its broadcasting and bowl revenue the way other schools do.
Sure, college football pales in comparison to professional football, where the average team is worth $898 million. But there is still huge money pouring into college football. This season, sponsors like PepsiCo, FedEx, Allstate and Citigroup will help finance a $209 million payout through 32 Division 1-A bowl games this year. Fox, owned by News Corp., is paying $83 million to broadcast four of this year’s five BCS games.
We’ve ranked the 15 most valuable football programs based on their contributions to four important beneficiaries: the universities, athletic departments, conferences and communities with a vested interest in their financial success.
To do so, we calculated each football program's total revenues from tickets, sponsorships, premium seating and broadcasting. Then we subtracted expenses to derive the football program's profits. Next, we measured how much of each team's profits went for non-football scholarships and toward other sports, and was shared by other teams in its conference. We also looked at how much additional money the county generated when the team played a home game. In our scoring system the first two factors were given the most weight, while county revenue was given the least.
Success on the gridiron usually translates into more revenue for a team and a higher value. A total of $34 million is up for grabs at the Tostitos BCS national championship game alone this year. Those proceeds will be divided up equally between the Big Ten (Ohio State) and SEC (Florida) conference schools, net of a small travel allowance for the two bowl combatants.
Note that only teams from the Southeastern Conference, Big Ten Conference and Big 12 Conference made our list because of their lucrative television deals with CBS, and ESPN and ABC, which are owned by the Walt Disney Co.
Perennial powerhouse the University of Southern California, which is playing in the Rose Bowl this year, did not make our top 15 because the team’s profits were too low to contribute as much to their schools as did our 15 finalists.
Here are the 15 finalists (values in millions of dollars):
Institution Total Value University Athletics Community Conference
1. Notre Dame 97 23.2 23.5 57 0
2. Texas 88 1.3 41.1 59 2.0
3. Georgia 84 1.2 42.9 48 2.1
4. Michigan 81 2.4 35.1 53 4.1
5. Florida 76 1.1 31.3 44 14.9
6. Ohio State 71 1.5 27.0 42 15.5
7. Alabama 70 1.0 26.7 59 1.0
8. Tennessee 69 2.2 28.4 49 2.6
9. Oklahoma 67 3.0 16.9 53 15.6
10. LSU 66 5.1 20.1 53 4.1
11. Auburn 66 1.5 30.1 42 2.6
12. Penn State 63 1.9 24.5 48 2.7
13. S. Carolina 57 1.8 17.9 53 1.3
14. Texas A&M 53 1.1 21.3 40 2.0
15. Wisconsin 51 1.7 20.3 35 3.9
* includes $20 million of football program profit.
Figures for 2005-2006 fiscal year. Conference figures for 2006-2007
OU Fan said:
posted on June 1, 2007 6:53 PM — 217.7.14.3 — link — abuse?
50 Cal post 147, 148, I agree with you on DeMarco Murray's performance being YTBD. The season has not started and he's only had breakout performances throughout the spring and against only OU's Defense. I guess we'll have to see how does when its crunch time this season. As far as Chris Brown and Allen Patrick, both RB's had more yards combined than Peterson at the end of the season, but then again it took both of them combined to match and beat one man. However, they still did pull more rushing yards than Peterson. Now there will be 3 backs to carry the rock. And yes, Chris Brown did have 169 yards against Baylor, however he did have 84 against Texas Tech and 74 against Oklahoma State. And QB is what really worries me, and it sucks because for 3 years in a row now, OU will be breaking in a new QB. Bomar screwed the Sooners royally. I got to go now, its 12:49 AM in Germany, we are staying in a Hotel room in Wiesbaden near Frankfurt, I am with my wife, daughter, and her family, and tomorrow we will be sailing down the Rhein River. BOOMER SOONER!!
50 Cal USMC said:
posted on June 1, 2007 7:10 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
McDuck (93), I personally have RB Jonathan Stewart as my Pre-Season 1st Team All-American, All-Purpose Runner(RB/KR)... so I dont think that "Heisman" speculation would be that unreasonable.
There's only a handfull of returning players that averaged more A-P Yds/Game than Stewart did (Slaton, McFadden, Rice...).Anyway, O State will probably end-up in the middle of the pack, in the PAC. I expect a lot of parity in the Conference this year.
Oregon, ASU, Arizona, Washington, Oregon St... any of those teams could end-up in the top 25. Wazzu is probably the only team thats gonna have a major drop-off, cause even Stanford looks to be improved.(In case you missed the original post).
50 Cal USMC said:
posted on June 1, 2007 7:11 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
OU fan,
DeMarco Murry didnt play last year. Its still only 'potential' were talking about with him (promising RB from Bishop Gorman HS, Las Vegas). The other two RBs are... some back-up JUCO, and a Freshman who racked up half his Yards against Baylor. The point is, compared to other teams' backfields, OK's isnt really impressive.
(this might seem repetative, but I dont know if my previous post went through or not)
Zac said:
posted on June 1, 2007 9:15 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Hey, WarEagle, over 200 posts and it still hasn't degenerated into an SEC luv-fest. It has rather degenerated into a philosophical discussion regarding theoretical values, some involving construction costs, some involving program costs, some involving the value of entire universities. I guess the comments, as always, capture more attention than the polls.
Speaking of which, Marko, you contradicted yourself between posts 99 & 128. In post 99 you stated, "I think Lindy's is the most accurate." Then, in 128 you state, "Big "Easy" sucks. They are over-rated and will stay in the realm of mediocre teams for years to come." You were referring to the Big East as the "Big Easy", weren't you? The reason I ask is this. The poll you proclaimed as "…most accurate" ranks WVU 4th, Louisville 9th, and Rutgers 16th. Not bad for a conference of only 8 teams. While I think WVU and Louisville are ranked too high in that poll, I think Rutgers is ranked too low; not to mention, among this coming season's surprises, I think S FL will be one of them. So, at the risk of a repeat of post 128, which is it?
I see the "Eagle" has landed, back in post 22, with an interesting prediction. Eagle, you even qualify it later on; your basis being 18 returning starters (not bad, really), and BC having lost 3 games by a combined 12 pts (also not bad). What you've forgotten were the 5 games BC won by a combined 22 pts (2 by 1pt each). By the law of averages, BC overachieved by a couple of games. Still, though I didn't see it that way, I wouldn't object to BC having some success, right up to the time they play WVU in the Orange Bowl. That's where my best wishes for BC would end.
Post 64: So typical. WVU not only doesn't play a 1-AA club this year, in addition to playing 7 bowl teams, WVU has 6 road games, unlike a lot of the SEC teams with 7 and 8 home games. At least the Mountaineers, as are the rest of the Big East, willing to travel. Remember, S FL goes to Auburn, Syracuse is at IA, and WVU goes to MD.
Speaking of which, and I agree with So Cal USMC regarding the questions on WVU's line (not at center, however), I still think WVU's ground game will continue to churn. My big concern is that they may play true frosh, Noel Devine. With the talent WVU has in the backfield, they should red-shirt Devine and give him a chance to learn the system. Besides, there's another weapon which could be utilized, if Rodriguez would show a forgiving heart. Does anyone remember Jason Gwaltney? I'll bet you USC guys do; he's one that got away, went to WVU, played as a freshman after RB, Jason Coleson, got fumbleitis against Syracuse. We're talking 6'1" 230 lbs with Slaton-like speed. Slaton backed him up. He got injured, lost heart, and left for home. Now he's back trying to get back into the starting line-up. I want you to imagine this scenario: White at QB, Schmidt at TE, Slaton in the slot, Gwaltney at FB, and Devine at RB. OK, pundits, it's 4th and 3, in a must for a 1st. Who gets the ball? Can't wait to find out. Go Mountaineers!!!
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on June 1, 2007 10:51 PM — 68.48.90.248 — link — abuse?
Rick Freakin H #101,
There's no use in even attempting to try and make some of these guys see "the light". They're so hung up on SEC and ACC football that they'll never be able to see the BE coming until it's too late......but yet......they'll still have excuses as to why the BE doesn't deserve to be there..(of course they'll have no legs to stand on with every pot shot they attempt to throw....but why does that matter?........We are of course football Gods that know everything there is to know about Football..........period.) Thank God I'm a BE fan of a up and coming Conference...... instead of a so called Juggernaut that is about to be dethroned by a so called "jester", and be humiliated in the process.Seth loves the gamecocks said:
posted on June 1, 2007 11:30 PM — 24.88.19.209 — link — abuse?
you guys...im sitting here praying that south carolina will go for their first sec title and first national championship but i think theres about a 30% chance of that at most so im not getting my hopes up to much but why dont people focus on the sec more...the sec has just improved incredibly last year i mean especially having KENTUCKY going to a bowl and BEATING CLEMSON HAH i love that jad dean he made me happy in the usc vs clemson game...but my points is the sec is improving so much but people dont recognise it because all the sec teams just keep pounding each other to bring down their records...arkansas having a beautiful season then ends it losing to lsu and florida and florida WON THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP against ohio state which proves that ohio state needs to play hard teams before getting recognition...but the wolverines arent too bad even though their win against an sec team was against vandy one of the worst sec teams...and honestly CLEMSON? id be suprised to see even 7 wins from them i mean their kick bleugh and their qb troubles down the hatch they arent gonna do so well but they are in the acc which is gonna give a fairly easy schedule except for a few like bc and vt and stuff but give the sec some love really...the gamecocks deserve more than just a 19th rank in one of the polls...the season ending was incredible
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 2, 2007 9:08 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
T-Cane:
Back to post #179...
http://www.fiusports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=11700&KEY=&SPID=4758&SPSID=49050
Doesn't look like FIU dropped their soccer program...
Please get more informed instead of posting comments from your butt...
Zac said:
posted on June 2, 2007 8:55 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Pray away, Seth loves the gamecocks. S Carolina has a far better chance at winning the SEC title than WVU has at winding up ranked 2nd, 4th, or even 5th by season's end. Very much like you and your Gamecocks, I'd like to see my Mountaineers excel. That can only happen if they play to their potential and as a team. If they do, who knows? Instead of meeting BC in the Orange Bowl, maybe our teams will meet in the Sugar Bowl. Could happen. Best of luck all the same.
Gatorboy 40 said:
posted on June 2, 2007 11:35 PM — 61.5.239.105 — link — abuse?
This garbage means nothing, most people that place their rankings, are ranking teams the way that they WISH that it going to be, rather than who they really believe is going to win. How many times have the rankings ever panned out like the writers actually predicted it, actually they are never close. Who actually believe that Miami is not going to be ranked, is probably on crack, or wish that they were that bad. But this team has as much talent as anyone else, Croaker just lost control. But for the sake of arguement then believe that Miami won't be ranked, what seperates FL-ST from Miami?????? A totally new coaching staff, is that really an advantage. At minimum, this game is a toss up, but I will take Miami an upset (not really an upset). They are the under dogs, too much pride, too much talent, and too hungry. All the Maryland, Virginia, GT, continue to enjoy your 06 win, cause it won't happen twice. I see Miami 9-3 at worst.
pigskinpig said:
posted on June 3, 2007 4:58 PM — 72.235.129.108 — link — abuse?
Yeah, Hogs will be awful. They will be lucky to win a game in '07. They have no div.1 talent, shoulda dropped to div2 already, then they could compete for championships every year.
Unfortunately for them they will play this season against the big boys again, God help 'em.
Well atleast it's an automatic 'W' on their opponent's schedules. Poor Hogs, wallering in the slop of college football. OOOO PIG SOOOIE
PopsMich said:
posted on June 3, 2007 5:05 PM — 71.77.24.80 — link — abuse?
Yawn, waking up from the January-Spring slumber and getting ready....
Man, I need more sleep as the years go by. Why are you all paying attention to these rankings?
Hey, I read this morning that the SEC Presidents read some religion to the Playoff proponents (UF, Slive). Ain't gonna happen and won't be discussed any further. Something about "Bowl considerations" (meaning $$$).
So get ready for another decade of posting about "if we suck, you suck more...." without settling it on the field. At my age its time to say "not in my lifetime...."
Zac said:
posted on June 3, 2007 8:13 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
I was one of those who thought FL St, and possibly Miami, would crack the top ten by the end of this coming season. It's in another thread many moons back. Two things separate FL St from Miami, in my opinion. Last year's bowl results, and this year's coaching. An ever so slight edge goes to FL St in each category. You could argue a 3rd; i.e. FL St does have the home field advantage, but that's never had much impact between these two in the past. I think the defenses are just about equal; it's on offense I think FL St takes it. The talent and coaching are there. I don't think this will come down to wide right, left, or too damn short. I think FL St will go into the final seconds leading by 4; Miami will have the ball trying to pull it out. FL St will either stop them, or Miami gets the upset. This year, my money's on the Seminoles. If it were to happen the other way, I wouldn't be surprised in the least. Who ever wins, they'll have earned it. Best of luck to both teams.
Gatorboy40 said:
posted on June 3, 2007 9:12 PM — 138.163.160.44 — link — abuse?
Ramblin Wreck Post 230, You stand correct I have nothing bad to say about GT, they are on the up and up. However they have a long way to go before they reel Miami in as for wins and losses. That being besides the point. I just don't see it happening again. The talent down there is just too deep for the Canes to stay down. Some of those high Schools in south Fl, cut players that will start at other high schools. They just just need a coach who can control/relate to those players. I think that they have a home groan coach that the players will respond to, who fits the bill. But getting back to my point. I guarantee you that if most people on this blog, HAD to place a bet on wether Miami would be ranked, 99 percent would say yes, if they had no choice but to bet on it. Picking them not to be rank is not logical thinking. Why did most of the writers pick Miami not to be ranked again??? Because Miami is the team that most people likes to hate. They are a get in your face, smack talking, a_s kicking (most times), and they don't care what you think about it. By america's, so called standard, they are an OUTCAST team. Do they have talent,,,yes. Are they a great team,,,,yes. But if you really believe that they won't be ranked again, you are crazy. Hold me to this, and holler back Jan 08.
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on June 3, 2007 9:48 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
I live about 15-20 mins from Clemson, SC and I pull for them when they don't play my beloved Noles.
I'm curious about something.
I've seen it said this is a big year for the Canes and the direction of their program.
What about Clemson?
With Spurrier now at USC, them beating CU last year, and an improving ACC... is Tommy boy on the hot seat (again)? What would have to happen this coming season for Tommy to get canned? Or is his job safe?
Just curious how Tiger Town feels about this.
Gatorboy40 said:
posted on June 3, 2007 9:52 PM — 138.163.160.44 — link — abuse?
SC Football Fan Post 205,,,Do you really put that much faith in what a writer says. Your guess is as good as theirs. Your chances are probably better, when they don't pick you to win. You called the loss to UCLA a fluke, well that sort of thing happen with, in state rivals.
rlsecret said:
posted on June 4, 2007 1:10 PM — 168.216.206.163 — link — abuse?
what league could lose three top teams and still have three in top 15?...answer..."the big easy"...the acc still has a hard time even after taking our three teams...can you imagine the sec losing lsu,fla,ga.or the pac ten losing so.cal.,ucla,and oregon...of course the big two,little 10 - big 12 doesnt need to throw three out to weaken that over-rated conference...how about the big ten without mich,oh.st.or penn st...do you remember (without l-ville)when the big east, with miami,vpi,bc,wvu,pitt. syra., and rutgers ,never,ever got the recognition that other conferences got even with the big markets in ny,bos.,and miami...the media can cause this,also...a couple of years ago the media made utah the cinderella team in the country in fb and bb getting them the top draft pick in each sport,yet they called the wvu sugar bowl win a fluke and when pittsnogle and ganzy blew a 24 pt halftime lead to go to final four against l-ville ,the media made sure the mounties were not going to be cinderellas...analysts my butt...im convinced that 93.7% of sports analysts never ,ever came up with an original idea of there own...bring on bc in the sugar bowl...wvu is about 18-4 since flutie lost to them three years in a row....thanks and im out
Tomcat said:
posted on June 5, 2007 1:08 AM — 70.249.45.243 — link — abuse?
#235 rlsecret No offense to Big East fans Zac included, Hey man most of us all predicted yall to win yalls bowl games. You refer to the XII as the big 2 ? What XII teams did the BE teams face?
Lou vs K-St RU vs K-St any other ?
K-St lost to Baylor and KU
Baylor won 3 conference games in 06 against XII north teams, Baylor was a 4-8 team in 06 bottom of XII north if they were in the big E they would probably be 8-4.
This year the Big East will face no XII teams
They OCC schedule has a few interesting games against some good opponents
Cinn vs Oreg St Beavers
Louis vs KY Wildcats
Pitt vs Mich st Pitt?
RU vs Maryland RU ?
USF vs AU Auburn
Syr vs Wash Huskies
Syr vs Iowa Hawkeyes
WV vs Maryland Mountaineers
WV vs E. Carolina Mountaineers
When you look at these matchups, some look intertesting and what do you have 1 or 2 top 25 teams overall. After yall whup up on each other and somebody emerges undefeated and dominates somebody, then and only then, will folks give the Big E the apreciation that some feel they deserve.
Miss St vs WV Bulldogs ? Maybe
rlsecret said:
posted on June 5, 2007 9:32 AM — 168.216.164.63 — link — abuse?
to j boe...what the hell are you talking about wvu never worthy of playing for national title...in case you just got off the boat,wvu played for national title in '88(nd34-wvu21) and '93(mounties 11-0)ever hear of hostetller,major harris,amos z,jett,porter,bulger,pacman,henry...that boat must be full of water...9 wins a year past 10 years without a blue chipper...see im a mathematician from wv with 2 daughters who are doctors,,,so the corn-cob pipes,bare feet,sofa burning reputation of a mountie is only a writer and readers myth...anyway if they are not any good,why are so many people upset?
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 5, 2007 10:19 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
rlsecret (#237):
"wvu played for national title in '88(nd34-wvu21) and '93(mounties 11-0)"...
And that shows why the 'Eers haven't been worthy of playing for the MNC...
In both chances they got...
WVU was shelled by teams with worse records but stiffer competition during the season...
BTW...
Why didn't you post the score from the 1993 Sugar Bowl...
1993 = WVU 11-1...
Zac said:
posted on June 5, 2007 2:31 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy: I'll never take away FL's solid, and yes lop-sided win over WVU back in '93. If I have it right, WVU looked like pro’s scoring on its 1st possession, stopped FL cold on their 1st possession, and was moving the ball well before FL flat out had enough and took over. Now, some writer said it was the FL St/NE score that resulted in that turn of events. I think FL decided at that time to play, and WVU for what ever reason, stopped.
As for ’88, that was one heck of a game between 2 decent teams. WVU spotted ND 21 pts before mounting an impressive come-back (Yes, WVU fell short.) with an injured Major Harris; injured on their 3rd play from scrimmage. Not to mention, that ND squad was referred to as one of the Top 10 college football teams of all time. WVU played another of those teams 1st game, the following year: NE.
The point is this: WVU didn’t earn their 11-0 records any differently than a lot of top tier teams earned theirs; with lots of hard work, blood, sweat, and yes, a little luck. I’ve seen the likes of AL, Miami, NE, OSU, Penn St, TX, USC, and yes, even FL turn what seemed like lousy situations into lucky wins, and later win the National Championship. I won’t take from FL or ND what they did to WVU in ’93 & ’88 respectively. Despite the results, you can’t take away from WVU what they did to get there.
gatorhippy said:
posted on June 5, 2007 6:36 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
Zac (#241):
Puh-leez...
In 1988 they played 1 ranked opponent in the regular season in Syracuse (#14)...
In addition, 8 of 11 reg. season opponents owned a LOSING record that year...
Even Penn State (considered a "big" win) had a LOSING record that year (5-6)...
In 1993, their regular season schedule did contain 3 ranked opponents in Louisville (17), Miami (4), and BC (11)...
In additon to 6 of 11 opponents in the reg season having a losing record...
I don't have to take anything away from the 'Eers in these years...
They did it to themselves...
Zac said:
posted on June 5, 2007 6:56 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Puh-leez thyself, gatorH. I'm not going to banter schedules with you. We've all been over that a dozen times already. No matter how you cut it, two teams still meet on the field and one has to come away a winner. (I'll have to check the Penn St data; I knew it wasn't one of their better years, in part because of WVU, but I thought they'd gone 7-5 that year. Do you have a link?)
I can't at all argue your last two points. In your own way, you've said what I've said already. It's a fundamental truth. In the end, each team is the keeper of its own destiny. They either play for a full 60 minutes, execute, and win, or they don't, and usually (not always in some cases) loose. Like I've said earlier, nothing against FL in '93 or ND in '88. They each played solid games, and beat a good team in earning their wins. Just like WVU did against GA in the Sugar Bowl, and showed they could come back against GA Tech in the Gator Bowl. In each case the team that played more of the full 60 minutes won.
greenwhite53 said:
posted on June 6, 2007 1:17 PM — 56.0.143.25 — link — abuse?
In my opinion there should not be any polls until October 1. By then you have had at least 4 weeks of football and then teams can be ranked on who they have beaten and not on just wins and losses. The way it is now if you are ranked high in pre-season polls you don't lose ground when you win regardless of who you have played. Too many times in the past teams have been over ranked in preseason and teams get credit for defeating them. This could all be worked out by October 1 and the rankings would be truer, not perfect, but closer to reality.
WVU MOUNTAINEERS said:
posted on June 7, 2007 4:59 PM — 216.12.106.199 — link — abuse?
i think wvu should be number 1 because they have the best talent and the best team no dought i think all of the people in the country underestimate wvu i mean they will win a national championship in 2007-2008 and also steve slaton will win the heisman if he does not get hurt everyone needs to watch for wvu this year because they will suprise you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LET'S GO MOUNTAINEERS!SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on June 7, 2007 6:51 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
The polls will ALWAYS come out in the pre-season. Most polls are done by media outlets and polls SELL. Look at all these magazines who's only existence is coming up with CF rankings in fricking JUNE.
If you want "truer" rankings...
Maybe voters in the polls should more drastically change their votes as the season goes on. If a team is ranked #1 pre-season and barely beats powderpuff programs the first few weeks - knock them down.
FloridaGator86 said:
posted on June 7, 2007 9:34 PM — 68.243.200.218 — link — abuse?
It's great to read all of the smack talking about CFB and it's only early June!! There are going to be some great teams (including my Gators) that can win it all. No one picked Florida to win the football or basketball titles this year, it's anyone's at this point!
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on June 7, 2007 9:54 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
FloridaGator86:
Dude, I think EVERYONE picked UF to win in BB this year. The defending NC returning all 5 starters is as much of a lock as there can be in CB.
No disrespect to UF cause their CF season last year was amazing but, they dont have much of a chance of defending their title. A 1st time starting QB and 9 new guys on defense will keep UF from getting through the SEC and having a shot at competing for a NC. With the losses from last years team UF would be fortunate to win their own division in the SEC East.
CommonManCommonSense said:
posted on June 8, 2007 1:38 AM — 72.8.77.80 — link — abuse?
Would any like to pitch in and get Tampa Gator and Tampa Hurricane a subscription for instant messaging so the rest of us can read something besides their rantings? Last year is over gator and the hurricanes just plain suck right now. As for the top 25 - Let's talk in October not June for hell's sake.
Greg said:
posted on June 8, 2007 12:15 PM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
FloridaGator86 says:
" No one picked Florida to win the football or basketball titles this year, it's anyone's at this point!"And they won't let anyone forget it for the next 20 years :o), FWIW, a lot of folks expected the BB title to come back to FL.
Greg
GA Boy said:
posted on June 8, 2007 9:20 PM — 66.110.197.20 — link — abuse?
GA's toughest games in this order
1. Gamecocks
2. Tennessee
3. GA Tech
4. Auburn
4. Florida (bye week for the DAWGS plays to our advantage this year)
6. Oklahoma St
7. Alabama
8. Kentucky
9. Ole Miss
10. Vanderbilt
11. Troy
12. Western Carolina
Besides the Carolina game, I really see the DAWGS winning them all. They get past South Carolina game and they will be playing LSU in Atlanta for the Championship. They won't get past that one. The Tigers are like rabbits on that GA Dome Turf. You just can't stop them. GO DAWGS!!
hokie4life said:
posted on June 9, 2007 2:19 PM — 67.72.98.113 — link — abuse?
#249 mountaineers fan, what rubbish!!! until wvu can stop choking like vahh tech they will get no respect. you all got stopmed by south florida for crying out loud. wvu will not win a nc this year nor will they win the big east. they choke way to easy. as for my boys, they'll win their conference and play in a bcs bowl.
Peter said:
posted on June 9, 2007 8:57 PM — 67.42.73.82 — link — abuse?
what in the hell is this? Boise state not even in the top 25. What more does this team have to prove? They have had two undefeated regular seasons in the past three years. They have won the WAC the past five years in a row. What reall pisses me off is that Hawaii, out of no where is fricken in the top twenty!!!! Boise State has not lost to them for 5 years. this is bull shit. Look at the teams. Boise stat is going to go down and beat Hawaii in Haawaii. !!!!!AGAIN!!!!!!!!
Zac said:
posted on June 10, 2007 12:16 AM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Hokie4life, you gotta cut some WVU fans a little slack. They've not seen a run like this even during the Nehlan years. On the other hand, don't be too down on my team. I agree, and have said as much; a #2 ranking, even a #5 ranking, is too high this year, let alone my colleague's dreams of them being #1. I won't say it won't happen; I just don't see it that way.
Now, let's talk about that "choke" crack for a minute. Yes, WVU did loose by 5 pts to a solid, up and coming S FL squad; a team that will likely crack the top 25 before season's end. In fact, they won 9 games last year. Funny, though, I recall VA Tech loosing in Blacksburg to another team that won 9 games: Ga Tech wasn't it, by 11? Now, WV did loose by 10 at Louisville, and arguably an injured Slaton fumbled some opportunities away, not to mention one for a score by Louisville's "D". We all know where Louisville wound up ranked, and they won their BCS bowl against Wake, the ACC champs. It seems VA Tech took a trip to Chestnut Hill, MA, where BC's "D" took Tech's "O" apart to the tune of 22-3. Finally, there's the bowl season, where WVU spotted GA Tech (You remember them?) 18 pts before taking over in the 3rd qtr, all without Slaton. Va Tech led GA 21-3 at the half, only to LOOSE by a score of 31-24. So, my Hokie friend, who choked? You can't look to the year before; WVU won the Big East and beat a better GA team (SEC Champs) in the Sugar bowl. In the words of Diego Montoya (Princes Bride - God, I'm doing it again.), "I do not think you know what that word means." But, hey, you're a Hokie; I'm a Mountaineer. Giving each other smack; it's what we do. Gotta love it!!!
Tomcat said:
posted on June 10, 2007 11:38 AM — 68.93.142.91 — link — abuse?
Look at Rivals top 25 they have ND at #22.Makes you wonder why? # 40 to #50 in other polls.They consistantly lose to other ranked opponents, go to a BCS bowl that they do not belong in and get blown away. They lose alot of starters including their QB and they still get a top 25 ranking? Rivals also has Oklahoma ranked higher than Texas? Texas beats Oklahoma two years in a row, OU losses their QB and is still ranked higher. These guys at Rivals have too much past glory in their system or their smoking too much herb.
Hookem-Horns
Viva Los SpursMagnum said:
posted on June 10, 2007 1:14 PM — 76.4.9.13 — link — abuse?
Where's Boise State? Only one of these polls has them listed. I think they've earned their place in the preseason poll.
More evidence that non-bcs teams have to play their way into the polls (each year), while BCS teams have to lose their way out of the polls.
hawgfan 101 said:
posted on June 10, 2007 7:02 PM — 65.170.37.220 — link — abuse?
everyone hated on the hawgs in 2006 until we proved we could play we did make a mistake by letting gus go but watch out for our running game every team tried to stop it last year and was unsuccessful
paul said:
posted on June 10, 2007 10:49 PM — 68.47.47.140 — link — abuse?
south carolina is underrated. they had the toughest schedule in the nation last year according to ratings. they lost to the national champs by 1, tennessee by 7, arkansas by 7. I think they deserve a little more credit dince they had the 6th best recruitimg class in the nation.
newduke said:
posted on June 11, 2007 4:48 AM — 71.193.208.36 — link — abuse?
McDuck's posts (no. 57, 59) only demonstrate his jealously over the fact that Oregon State is ranked in 2 lists and his little Duckies are not mentioned anywhere! All the "barely" wins he describes for OSU were all against pretty good teams, unless of coarse he doesn't think much of his own duckies. Less we not forget OSU ended USCs long standing Pac10 winning streak and dominated them for 3 quarters. Or the fact that OSU "barely" lost to WSU and played well against UCLA despite losing. I guess he would never want to mention that OSU also "barely" missed being 12-2, rather than 10-4 last year!
Michael M. said:
posted on June 11, 2007 11:28 AM — 72.184.171.14 — link — abuse?
FOR all the Big East fans,
Let them talk. I dont care. I am a graduate of the University of South Florida. In only 11 years we have meade it to a point that many analysts are talking about us being a top 25 team. We are recognized enough to sign a contract with the Miami Hurricanes for a 6 game deal with most games shown nationally on Thanksgiving day weekend. We just signed a $22 Million dollar deal with ISP and ESPN for multimedia rights. We have better equipment then Miami (which is a shame for a well respected and storied program to be left in disarray) AND we are still not respected at all....but I DONT expect to be. We go to Auburn this year, we play the Florida Gators and Canes in the same year in 2009. As our only coach, Leavitt has stated we will EARN the respect with wins. WV, Lousiville and even Rutgers deserve respect for many accomlishments. Many people talking here are reliving glories that are over 20 and 30 years old. I cant. Were new but dont underestimate us. Our quarteback is insanely good. His production rivaled almost all other quartebacks in the league. He was in the top three freshmen quarterback in the entire nation. We just signed a 5 star running back in Mike Forde, who was supposed to play at Alabama but came home to Tampa to play with his cousin. We signed 7 offensive adn defensive linemen that are over 300lbs and won our fist bowl game. For being 11 years old, I am a proud BULL. I see us coming in third or maybe second in the Big East and going to a more prominant bowl. Once we get the same TV time as the other older programs, watch out, we will be a presence in this league.btw...Sporting News has USF at 21st pre-season.
Bare said:
posted on June 11, 2007 5:04 PM — 167.159.1.2 — link — abuse?
Absolutely no mention of North Carolina on this page? We've got a guy touting USF as one of the best teams in the Big East but nobody has anything to say about how Butch Davis just had the best recruiting class at Carolina since Mack Brown was the coach and the Heels were consitantly in the top 10? I just had to throw that in there. It might take more than one season, but Davis will bring that program back to where it was in the 90s.
The Texas Longhorns have an easy schedule, with games vs. TCU, vs. Oklahomo and at TAMU to boost the strength a little bit. With all the reports of McCoy being 100% healthy, not to mention the fact that he has added 20 pounds of muscle in the offseason, plus the addition of a couple stellar freshman back-ups, there's no reason Texas won't go undefeated this year. Mack Brown and Greg Davis will do their best to lose a few games, but there won't be any good reason for a single loss this season.
These preseason polls are all nonsense, however. I won't even know anything about my school's team until the season starts, so any of the people picking these polls won't know anything about ANY of the teams until the season starts.
Hook 'em!
Jarred said:
posted on June 11, 2007 5:11 PM — 12.178.138.176 — link — abuse?
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/1213596
Is this sort of the new Fox poll plus analysis?
hokie4life said:
posted on June 11, 2007 6:44 PM — 67.72.98.114 — link — abuse?
mr. zac gt came to blacksburg and whipped us. they had an acc title game ticket in their future. besides we beat the hell out of them the year before in atlanta. they had much more to play for than when they played the mountain oysters gt was about an average team in a down acc last year. the oysters barely pulled out a win in the gator over a very mediocre jackets team. you all had the road paved with gold to a bcs game. da bulls came to morgantown and stomped you all. CHOKE!!! now if thats not choking nothing is. it took a surprise and very well executed and geniously called on sides kick in the 3rd for the dawgs to come back. if not for that on side kick our defense was in total control of the game and we would have won it no doubt about it. we gotta get the Black Diamond Trophy game back are you with me???
BIGPARK 803 said:
posted on June 11, 2007 7:47 PM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
MY top 25
1. USC
2. LSU
3. Michigan
4. Texas
5. Florida
6. Ohio State
7. Tennessee
8. Wisconson
9. Va Tech
10.Oklahoma
11.Louisville
12.UGA
13.West Virginia
14.California
15.Arkansas
16.Auburn
17.Nebraska
18.South Carolina
19.Georgia Tech
20.Rutgers
21.UCLA
22.Texas A&M
23.FSU
24.Boston College
25.KentuckyMy Toughest Conf.
1. SEC
2. Big 10
3. Pac 10
4. ACC
5. Big 12Biggest Suprises
1. Vanderbilt
2. South Carolina
3. Kentucky
4. Oklahoma
5. UCLAToughest Schedule
South Carolina or WashingtonBest Games
Week 1-FSU vs. Clem
Week 2-LSU vs. Va Tech
Week 3-FLA vs. Tennessee
Week 4-LSU vs. S Car
Week 5-FLA vs. Auburn
Week 6-TEX vs. Oklahoma
Week 7-PSU vs. Wisconson
Week 8-RUT vs. South Florida
Week 9-VT vs. Boston College
Week10-LSU vs. Bama
Week11-Cal vs. USC
Week12-OSU vs. Michigan
Week13-Clem vs. South Carolina
Champ.-SEC Championship
Bowl-BCS ChampionshipHeisman Trophy Winner
Brian Brohm (Louisville)Champions
SEC- LSU Tigers
Big 10- Michigan Wolverines
Big 12- Texas Longhorns
ACC- Boston College Eagles
Big East- Louisville Cardinals
Pac 10- Southern Cal Trojans
National- LSU TigersZac said:
posted on June 11, 2007 9:45 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Hokie4life, if we can get the Black Diamond Trophy back you can bash the Big East and my Mountaineers till the Gobblers come home. Damn straight, I'm with you!!! Go VA Tech! Go Mountaineers!! Go Black Diamond Trophy!!! May the best Mountain Men win!!!!!
GA Boy said:
posted on June 11, 2007 9:46 PM — 66.110.197.20 — link — abuse?
Hokie4 life. I think you are barking up the wrong tree here. From an impartial observer, I thought WV had the better year last year. You guys definitely know how to choke. Sure was good for the Bulldogs that you did! The errs got up on us and did not let us come back and win the year before in the Sugar Bowl. You boys folded like a card table! 31-24 in Chic-fil-a Bowl after we spotted you 18. That looked like choking to me.
Michael M. said:
posted on June 12, 2007 10:24 AM — 72.184.171.14 — link — abuse?
To Bare,
I did not tout South Florida as one of the best in the Big East but if I do remember correctly we did take care of North Carolina to the tune of 37 to 20 and that includes a very late touchdown by NC. Respect is given when we win. We will be the best in the Big East when we win it all but bare minimum North Carolina should be giving us our dues. Weve only beat WV once on their own turf and their fans have been very comlementary fo our progress. I look at everybodys to twenty five on this board and almost no-one has USF. If you include FSU or Miami over USF then you havent been watching football for the last few years.
Go Bulls!
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SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on May 28, 2007 11:03 AM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?Personally, I'd have to say Miami is the best unranked team. They only made it on Athlon's list at #24. Their defense is far and away better then Clemson's and I think they have great talent on offense. The coaching changes COULD shake things up in Miami. However, I do still question the hire of their OC. I do think Clemson would be right on Miami's heals though with their awesome running game. Only the season will tell.