August 21, 2007
ESPN ranks the most over-rated teams
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Mark Schlabach of ESPN.com has assembled his list of the most over-rated college football teams of the last decade. Schlabach compared each teams pre-season ranking to its final poll ranking each season to determine teams that were over-rated, as well as those teams that never catch a break in the polls.
At the top of the over-rated list - Florida State.
Florida State, which dominated college football during much of the 1990s, has been the sport's most overrated team during the last 10 seasons. In seven of the 10 seasons, the Seminoles finished with a lower ranking than they started with. FSU's biggest drop came during the 2002 season, when it started No. 3 and finished No. 21. Last season, the Seminoles were ranked No. 11 in the preseason and finished unranked in the AP poll for the first time in two decades.
The most under-rated team? Washington State
Washington State, which has won only 15 games the last three seasons combined, was still the most underrated team during the 10-year stretch. The Cougars were ranked in four preseason AP polls since 1997 and finished significantly higher three times. The Cougars climbed from the ranks of the unranked to the final top 10 three times: No. 9 in 1997, No. 10 in 2001 and No. 9 in 2003.
Mark Schlabach of ESPN.com
Most overrated teams in last 10 years:
1. Florida State (-63)
2. Tennessee (-58)
3. Washington (-42)
4. Miami (-35)
T5. Ohio State (-34)
T5. Nebraska (-34)
7. Florida (-33 1/2)
8. Michigan (-25)
9. Texas (-24)
10. Clemson (-22)
Mark Schlabach of ESPN.com
Most underrated teams in last 10 years:
1. Washington St. (+51)
2. Boise State (+48)
3. Oregon (+32 1/2)
4. Arkansas (+26)
5. Wisconsin (+23)
6. Louisville (+20)
7. TCU (+18)
T8. Boston College (+17)
T8. Iowa (+17)
T8. Maryland (+17)
Schlabach's system - which is by no means scientific - is finds the biggest poll choke jobs. Of course, the inherent assumption is that the polls were themselves accurate. ((I'll give you a moment to form your own opinion on the AP Top 25 poll).
There's probably a better way of determining the most over-rated teams, however, since eight of the last ten national champions end up on Schlabach's over-rated list. I wouldn't exactly consider a national championship over-rated. Ditto for the under-rated list... it's hard for me to believe that teams climbing less than two positions in the poll per year are terribly under-rated.
But, maybe I'm wrong. Y'all discuss and show me the light.
Hat Tip: Gatorhippy
Comments:
oklahomasteve21 said:
posted on August 21, 2007 12:34 PM — 56.0.143.25 — link — abuse?
First of all.....notice how Oklahoma is NOT on either list? take that HATERS!!!!
I honestly cannot argue with the top 4 teams in either poll. Spot on! And as far as Notre Dame? NO they are not over or under rated...they just have one HELL of a television contract people. I'm not going to bash Nebraska BUT they just aren't the same since Osborne left. Solid? yes. Championship contenders? no.
Looks like the majority of the overated programs also have high television and marketability power. That could be a element factor in being overated also. Never count out the power of exposure.
I also agree that the BIGXII has been highly overated the last 10yrs. Just look how we fold in bowl games. Pathetic.
BOOMER!!!!KLnoles said:
posted on August 21, 2007 12:52 PM — 146.201.125.50 — link — abuse?
I think Schlabach's theory on how to judge the most overrated teams is a little bogus.
Granted FSU has had a few lousy seasons, but in the 10 year span they went to three straight NC games, '98-'00. In 1997 they finished 3rd and whooped Ohio State in the Sugar.
Sure if they go on a run like that they will be given the benefit of the doubt in the polls and be ranked a little higher than maybe they should. They still managed to go to 3 BCS games in the 2000's, '02, '03, and '05.
I'm sure there are many teams that would like that resume.
Go Noles!
David said:
posted on August 21, 2007 1:39 PM — 70.112.186.207 — link — abuse?
David ranks the most over-rated sports networks:
1. ESPN
...Seriously, this is stupid. You get ranked high because you performed well. You have a higher chance of dropping when you are ranked high so therefore the teams that perform well are generally going to get "overrated" from time to time.
SEMINOLE_NATION said:
posted on August 21, 2007 2:04 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
Well his method is very flawed.
Take a school like FSU, Tenn, or UM - they all used to start every year in the top 5. So if you're starting in the top 5, you have no place to go but DOWN.
On the other hand, if you're always outside the top 25 you have no place to go but UP.
On a side note, I'm kinda glad FSU is at the top of this bogus method of rating teams. If we're the #1 overrated team that means we have no place to go but down (in this ranking) and can only improve.
Mike's Dogs said:
posted on August 21, 2007 2:06 PM — 208.51.17.2 — link — abuse?
I agree that Notre Dame should be number one on the most overrated teams list. They seem to parlay their annual (over) rating to a bowl game every year where they get to prove how overrated they really are.
Is Maryland really underrated or just bad?
IrishJT said:
posted on August 21, 2007 2:18 PM — 71.207.207.83 — link — abuse?
Imagine that...no Notre Dame. I guess they aren't considered the most overrated team in the last decade. They aren't even in the top 10. A couple of SEC & ACC teams are though. Hmmm. Can you say "southern sportswriters?"
Bill said:
posted on August 21, 2007 2:22 PM — 216.47.220.182 — link — abuse?
Notre Dame should have top this list as the number one , but ESPN has alway kissed this schools butt . Case in point , last year and we all saw what LSU did to this middle of the road team . Second should have been the "U" of Miami . FSU should be third and Tennessee forth .
Mike's Dogs said:
posted on August 21, 2007 2:53 PM — 208.51.17.2 — link — abuse?
I can only laugh now when I think of Charlie Weis complaining about Notre Dame not getting a chance to play for the BCS championship game. They should worry about beating Boston College and stop worrying about BCS championships.
Cane Mutiny said:
posted on August 21, 2007 3:31 PM — 65.12.247.141 — link — abuse?
This system doesn't really make any sense, because it only takes into account the preseason polls. Preseason polls are just guesses, nobody ever knows how a team actually does when they compile these. So being overrated in a preseason poll isn't really reflective of anything. What I think is wrong is when a team is overrated in the middle or end of the regular season, like Ohio State last year or Notre Dame every year. Miami, my team, may occasionally be over-ranked in the preseason by sportswriters who really have no idea what they're talking about, as was the case last year. But if the Canes screw up, they're generally re-ranked to the right spot. Nobody was complaining about Miami's final ranking (or lack thereof) last year, and that's because we deserved it. Notre Dame and Ohio State, however, were proven to have been over-ranked all along when they got destroyed in their bowls.
gatorhippy said:
posted on August 21, 2007 4:35 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
These ratings are about expectations and if teams meet, exceed, or fall short of those expectations...
Even more so they are about the accuracy of the AP poll and it's voters predictions...
On the overrated list, these teams were expected to be better than they actually proved to be over the last ten years...
This could be a fall of only 5 spots or all the way out at season end...
Which means they just weren't as good as voters thought they were before the season started...
Can anybody really argue that FSU has not met pre-season expectations in a big way almost every year since 2000...
UF? UCG? Tenn.?
Even with each winning a title within the time frame?
This isn't necessarily saying anything about the prowess of FSU football...
It says that the voters did not judge their capabilities correctly and continued to vote them higher than where they were destined to end up at the season's conclusion...
For more of these figures and ratings...
http://preseason.stassen.com/over-under/
IBleedOrange said:
posted on August 21, 2007 6:43 PM — 71.52.46.154 — link — abuse?
Wow, UT at #2 and ND isn't even on the list. I really value this terd's oppinion! When you win championships, people tend to rate you pretty high.
Oh well, ESPN has never given us any credit or respect. I'll site them launching a full-fledged investigation into our athletes' tutors (which turned up nothing substatial) as case in point. When we lose a big game, there's a 10 minute breakdown of the game. When we have a great win, there's one highlight and a box score. I just wish there were other decent sources for sports news on TV.
Cock'n'Fire South Carolina 101 said:
posted on August 21, 2007 6:52 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
i think my gamecocks are kind of underrated because when i think about it...say LSU had the exact schedule we had last year and the scores of the games were the exact same and they finished 8-5 they would still be ranked 19th or 18th...every team we lost to was in the top 10 when we played them and every loss was by a touchdown or less except for georgia which was gay
and once again nobody agrees with me geogria is overrated? just think they lost to kentucky and vanderbilt who both were ranked like 80th in preseason polls
BlueGold95 said:
posted on August 21, 2007 9:08 PM — 24.7.238.54 — link — abuse?
All right, people. I think we get the message that "ND should be listed as overrated." Anyone care to offer a better methodology than the ESPN author?
Gatorhippy #18, thanks for sharing the link to the Stassen site. The folks here should be pleased that Notre Dame does indeed top the overrated list when it's calculated since 1989. More important to me, it shows why -- ND was most overrated, by this AP poll measure, during Lou Holtz's last seasons. Since ESPN used a 10-year window, those are left out. Conspiracy? Doubtless.
The other thing that strikes me is that ND is one of the most inaccurately rated. It looks like the Irish have had the most double-digit swings in ranking, especially this decade. So while ND was "overrated" substantially in 1999, 2001, 2003, and 2006, they were substantially "underrated" 2000, 2002, and 2005. And 2007. :-)
I do think that the Irish are "overhyped", and that their hype (i.e. popularity) often gets them into bowl mismatches. I'm not sure what objective measure would show that, though.
Thanks again for that link, gatorhippy.
Cock'n'Fire South Carolina 101 said:
posted on August 21, 2007 9:17 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
post 22
i have no idea what u mean by laying eggs...that expression makes no sense whatsoever but then again im not good with sarcasm either
however that day you are talking about in the begginning of ur second sentence will be sept 8 2007 and then well have a fairly nice discussion about it...u have no idea how good our defense will be this year...i think everybody will overlook how good our defense will be...9 letterman returning on defense and we got the dangerous and vicious jasper brinkley at linebacker who chose USC over UGA last year...the only thing we have to worry about right now is our offensive line...and yes i do beleive kentucky will get another win against georgia this year too
Rusty said:
posted on August 21, 2007 9:21 PM — 67.191.195.117 — link — abuse?
Cock'n'Fire...seriously, if your team regularly whips someone then you might be able to talk about them being overated. Saying UGA is in the top five might be overating them, but they are usually put within the top 10-15. Pretty legitimate I would say. They have some great wins every year and them some lousy losses. However, south cackalacky doesnt yet have their number.
cardman steve said:
posted on August 21, 2007 9:38 PM — 74.131.212.190 — link — abuse?
THE IRISH AND GA BULLDOGS SHOULD BE ON THE LIST.
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on August 21, 2007 9:52 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
Cock and Misfire,
i think what Post 22 was saying is that you are 0-5 against Georgia in the lasy 5 years.
The topic at hand.... where are the fighting Irish of ND? The fact they are not on this list makes this list NOT Valid.
gatorhippy said:
posted on August 21, 2007 10:00 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse?
BlueGold95 (#23):
What's interesting about the Stassen site is the manner which the rate the most frequently rated...
Note that ALL the teams listed on that part have a negative or overrating...
The higher the perception of a program the harder it is to live up to expectations...
Cock'n'Fire South Carolina 101 said:
posted on August 21, 2007 10:36 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
well mr total tiger
the only reason your stopping at 5 games back is because the year before that georgia lost to us back to back years
if you havent noticed we are 13-44-2 against georgia not 0-59-0, so yeah we can beat georgia
and as for the other dude we have had our numbers before...check out 2000-2001 and also our biggest number was in 1984...plus take notice to the 2002 outback bowl how we beat ohio state the year before the won a national title and with spurrier improving our program the numbers are increasing
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on August 21, 2007 11:16 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
Cock n misfire... Just trying to explain to you why the Post number 22 was saying, you must beat Georgia; it has been six years since you have done that.
The win over Ohio State was good, but you used a player who was academically inelligble at the time. Got hit with stiff NCAA sanctions because of that. I belive they referred to it as "Lack of institutional control."
1984 was 23 years ago! You may have only one or two players, from your present team, who were alive back then and certainly none of the even know who Morrison was.
gotta agree with post 22, beat Georgia and then come back.Cock'n'Fire South Carolina 101 said:
posted on August 22, 2007 12:01 AM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
mr total tiger
oh we will...we will, and it will be even greater because it will be on their turf so to them they will suffer bitter defeat when trying to defend their turf...however the point im trying to make is that sometimes a team isnt as good as the other team but they beat them...like navy in '84 and also last year talk about wofford...if our defense didnt open their eyes at the end of the game like they did and turn the ball over then we would have a loss to a division which is embarrasing considering the days of sparky woods when we lost to the citadel in 1990...so no doubt u have to agree with me when i say the score should of been alot closer last yeer at the georgia south carolina game...but ur right about one thing...in the end all that matters is who scores more points and sometimes has to do with prestige if we start talking about the bcs
c-dogg said:
posted on August 22, 2007 9:16 AM — 76.188.148.145 — link — abuse?
Attn: Rupert Murdoch
NEWSCORP
555 Wall Street
Manhattan, NY 10010Dear Mr. Murdoch,
My name is Chris. Also known online as C-dogg. Will you please create a sports network that can actually compete with ESPN so that I can have a decent option? ESPN forces us to watch 'who's now' segments, Lou Holtz slobbering, Stewart Scott (enough said), Notre Dame highlights, replays of Miami's brawl, and this silly over-rated teams list. A list by the way that inludes 9 national champions out of 10 teams.
If you take on this challenge, I promise to watch all of your 20th century fox movies and take all of my friends with me. You can contact me at www.ESPNREALLYSUCKSUNLESSMIAMIISPLAYING.com
Good Luck Rupert....I believe in you.
God Bless,
C-dogg
P.S. Congrats on buying Myspace for the bargain price of $580 million. Those idiots could have got $3Billion for it if they would have held out for 2 more years. Tom is not my friend. :O)
oklahomasteve21 said:
posted on August 22, 2007 11:59 AM — 56.0.143.23 — link — abuse?
post#4
Just wanted to point out something about ND. I had stated that they have powerful t.v. contract and exposure. Next comes a deluge of stupid post wanting ND to be the most overated team while at the same time complaining about t.v. coverage (ESPN), popularity and bowl mis-matches. The way the dumb post are listed prove my EXACT point. YOU'RE ALL COMPLAINING ABOUT PERCEPTION AND EXPOSURE ISSUES BASED ON POPULAR (OR NOT) VIEWS OF THE MEDIA AND T.V. CONTRACT / EXPOSURE THE PROGRAM HAS!!!!! WTF!!!! wake up. ND is a P.R. and marketing machine that is kicking the pants off of everybody else. NO I'M NOT AN IRISH FAN--I'm just merely stating that, they are very clever because they have everyone here fooled, and they get paid for it =]
It is what it is people.....they are right where they should be by RECORD and performance on the field---NOT THE HYPE AND BITCH FEST ON THIS BOARD
Rusty said:
posted on August 22, 2007 5:04 PM — 67.191.195.117 — link — abuse?
Hey Cock n fire,
the point of this discussion is teams that are way overated as in the top ten of the NCAA. Georgia isnt and never really has been. Its just that SC isnt hardly ever even rated. I think its just some bitterness. Trust me cause I hate UF and UT the same way. I can be irrational too.Sallie said:
posted on August 22, 2007 5:04 PM — 204.253.245.126 — link — abuse?
university of texas should be # 1 on the over-rated list. They do not have Vince anymore. They will lose at least 4 games this season. They are so busy trying to take miami's crown as criminal u that they do not have a football TEAM anymore.
OU is not on either list because nobody cares about this team. The only way they can get attention is to annoy others with the horrible boomer song
HUSKER DENNIS said:
posted on August 22, 2007 6:20 PM — 207.224.109.136 — link — abuse?
What happen to NEBRASKA OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS. AND OTHERS ie TEX ETC I feel was we were comming off of a NC, 3rd one in the 90s so far. Osborne retired to congress. We had a lot of momenion? we got a free pass for afew years ( to high of a preseason rank)at about this time we tanked. New coach fired (SOLICH) after 1 year, for going 9 & 2 beating A GOOD MichiGAN TEAM in a bowl game. Ohio U. REALLY LIKES OLD frANKEY fROM WHAT i hear. Any how: everybody was beating us After that. Iowia state even KANSAS AFTER SO MANY YEARS AND MO. we still got high preseason rateing for a while. NOW , NEW coach and offence West coast. reloaded and ready to rock and fire GO BIG RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
texas tiger said:
posted on August 22, 2007 7:24 PM — 72.48.34.97 — link — abuse?
Press bias is obvious. ND #1 and texas A&m #2
Cock'n'Fire South Carolina 101 said:
posted on August 23, 2007 12:21 AM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
post 38
this blog is about opinions...at least thats what i though...in my opinion UGA seems very overrated...being ranked 13 preseason and losing to both kentucky AND vanderbilt in that same season that seems overrated to me...and ur right south carolina isnt ranked alot and within this century have only been a few times...however we have had votes to be in the top 25 very many times just not enough...but i just have to say after last year going 8-5 with that very tough schedule...we are underrated and just think about how strong our defense will be...we have so many letterman returning this year practically all our starters except fred bennet will be there for defense
Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 23, 2007 8:53 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
If there is a real poll on overrated conferences then the SEC is it! For years commentors/announcers have tried to sale the SEC as the toughest well let me break it down. The SEC conferences have scheduled more Division 1-AA than any other conferences, FACT! Let me compare it with the BIG 12. Contenders: Big 12 Teams - Oklahoma, Texas, & Nebraska SEC Teams - LSU & Florida. Teams on the rise : Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Kansas State, Kansas, and Colorado. SEC - Auburn, Alabama? & South Carolina. Teams on the downfall - Texas A&M? and Missouri. SEC - Tennesse, Georgia & Arkansas. Teams that can improve but are terrible right now - Big 12 - Baylor & Iowa State. SEC - Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Mississippi, & Mississippi State. If there is a level-headed and non-bais fan out there look this info up and post the results I will be thankful. The SEC as 4 terrible teams in it that has had losing records for I don't know how & the Big 12 two losing teams are going to improve. I know CBS & ESPN try to spread that SEC propaganda about it being the best conference...I dont see it. Both conference have had 3 National Champions but if you look at the overall wins...the Big 12 conference has won more games. I am not taking a shot at the SEC doggone it I was born in and raised in SEC country (Meridian, Mississippi). In my opinon there is not a best conference or best rivalry. It is what the individual choose or think. It amazes me when you don't agree with someone you are quickly insulted. If someone who can be neutral in researching this can get back with the FACTS then let me and all the readers view it then we will all see! So come with facts not jokes/insults. Show me some facts and I will apologize if I am wrong. I am NOT saying the Big 12 is better by no means I am just using it to compare and show my facts. Yes, Big 12 schools do schedule Division - 1AA opponents. My thinking if you want to be the best you play the best. Now don't get me wrong these D-1AA can get ya...ask Stanford, Colorado, and Mississippi State. Doggone it, Texas State almost got Texas A&M! I know SEC fans are going to comment on the pre-season polls but there have not been games played. IT IS NOT WHERE YOU BEGIN...or voted in IT IS HOW YOU FINISHED! Take care and be cool!
Bobby said:
posted on August 23, 2007 1:58 PM — 146.6.158.10 — link — abuse?
Hey Lennie here I am I'm a UT fan. I'll comment on this. I think UT was put on this poll because we lost to unranked K-state and at home to aTm. We did not live up to expectations at all. I agree with oklahomasteve on the power of exposure. I think had we won those two games UT would have been left off IMO . Oklahoma was left off because they are usually as billed, not always ..last year everyone thought ou was in the toilet when Bomar was gone but hello big 12. Sallie I have to say that you saying UT should be #1 is typical UT hatred with no thought and is behind it and is absolutely ridiculous. I hear what you are saying about Vince but most NC teams have a stud or two or three. Vince had alot of talent around him but no doubt he was the catalyst. Think about it no Lienert no NC, no Bush no NC. If no A.P. or Allen Patrick no big 12 IMO. Please set aside you hatred before you start typing.
gatorstud said:
posted on August 23, 2007 3:25 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
oh lennie...you just don't get it do you.....none of what you just wrote is fact...it is all an opnion......if you actually think that nebraska is a contender...then i can truly understand where it is your coming from....FANTASY LAND......
but i will agree with your last comment....IT IS NOT WHERE YOU BEGIN...or voted in IT IS HOW YOU FINISHED! now tell me again where florida finished compared to your spooners....
remind me again where your top three big twelve teams finished last year...compared to the top three in the sec....
yeah that's is what i thought.....you got nothin......
go gators....and hokies
bulldawgface said:
posted on August 23, 2007 7:11 PM — 76.108.216.136 — link — abuse?
Good God.
If i were a filthy gator fan i feel like a mob witness waiting for the hit squad to arrive. NO one in the country has more hated enemies then the swamp thangs. I mean it just unreal how many teams in 07 will be gunning for the pukes in blue! All hopes are pinned on a QB who is no doubt one dementional and a pathetic defense with no experience, especially when it comes to the D.B's...absolutely horendous. Good news for the rest of the sec who will get a sure crack at the disputed chumps of 07.. Maybe Meyer should worry about x's and o's instead of over priced dinners with moronic puke blue fans. GOOD luck FLA ...lol... revenge is not what we seek its a reckoning of changing times...sorry no dice on a dynastyCock'n'Fire South Carolina 101 said:
posted on August 23, 2007 8:40 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
post 44
are you serious? you really think the only good teams in the sec are Florida and LSU? and first thing i gotta say that you need to get through ur skull...sec teams schedule div 1-AA teams because the teams that they schedule that are div-1AA weve been playing for about 100 years...way back then they used to beat our asses all the time but its tradition...and if u think sec schedules are easy take a look at the 2007 south carolina schedule...plus if i may recall u didnt list auburn as one of those good teams yet you listed nebraska...DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE FRICKIN COTTON BOWL LAST YEAR?? yeah thats what i thought...last year the sec sent 9 teams to a bowl and 6 of them were victorious...also colorodo on the rise? u have got to be kidding me and kentucky isnt one of those crappy teams...they went 8-5 last yeer...they are one of the on the rise teams...and they did not just beat out div 1-aa schools they had some good wins especially their bowl i liked against clemson...well u have anything else bad to say about the sec think before you say it
2turbo2 said:
posted on August 24, 2007 11:52 AM — 72.154.99.209 — link — abuse?
A lot of confusion comes from there not being a clear definition of the label “best conference.” Many would argue the SEC to be the toughest conference simply because the competition from top to bottom is on an even keel. That’s a legitimate argument not many would dispute that, but I will. So basically the train of thought goes like this; competition equates to toughness, toughness equates to strength, and strength leads to the label “best.” The fundamental flaw in this thought process is the perspective that competition makes your conference tough. The second flaw is that the toughest or strongest conference is the best
ALLmightyCANES said:
posted on August 24, 2007 1:09 PM — 74.166.168.10 — link — abuse?
PLEASE GO BACK TENS YEARS. MIAMI WAS UNDER PROBATION
UNTIL 1999, HOW THE HELL IS THIS GUY IS GOING TO COUNTS THOSE YEARS, 97,98,99. BUT ONCE MIAMI CAME BACK FROM THE PROBATION THEY WENT TO 4 STRAIGHT BCS
CHAMPIONSHIP 2 WHICH WHERE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS. MIAMI WON 3 OF 4 BCS CHAMPIONSHIPS INCLUDING THE 01 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. THIS GUY ISN'T A PROFESSIONAL HE'S A MIAMI HATER AND A FLORIDA TALENT HATER. NO ND AND OU
THAT TELLS ME SOMETHING ABOUT HIM. HATER!! MIAMI IS NO WAY OVER-RATED.Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 25, 2007 1:11 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Cock N Fire South Carolina 101...like James Brown would say about your comments they are like a dull knife just ain't cuttin' you're talkin' loud but ain't sayin' nothin'! Gatorstud...I ain't got nothin' to say in regards to your comments. Yes Florida won the Championship but you have not answered the question. Compare ALL the Big 12 school teams over the last 10 years with the SEC teams win totals and schedules and you will see the Big 12 has had more wins and have scheduled less D-1AA schools than the SEC. Does that make the BIG 12 STRONGER and BETTER, HECK NO! So do some research then get back to me!
Tomcat said:
posted on August 25, 2007 1:50 PM — 70.249.41.135 — link — abuse?
# 46 gatorstud good post
Most underated Kentucky Wildcats
Remember were you heard this
KY over Louisvile
Most Overated
Oklahoma even with some of the best recruiting in the Lone Star State Thompson,Peterson Etc.Etc.
They lose to the Longhorns-overated team 2 yrs in a row
They lose to Oregon Ducks-middle Pac-10 team
They lose to Bois St--WAC team
This year should be embarassing for those sooners
Go Mean Green
Go Tulsa
Sicem-Bears
Gigem-Aggies
Hookem-Horns
Go Red Raiders
Go Cowboys
And whatever WAC or C-USA team in their Bowl if they make it to a BowlBobby said:
posted on August 25, 2007 3:36 PM — 198.147.139.184 — link — abuse?
lennie lennie lennie...man you got alot of anger in you! I can just imagine you ...veins bursting out of your head, salivating everywhere, pounding your keyboard, chunks of hair missing out of your head...your a wild man! But seriously you said on another thread you were gonna be nicer and respect others opinions or is that unless it's a UT fan? C'mon lets relax and play nice.
soonerfanatic28 said:
posted on August 25, 2007 5:01 PM — 64.136.49.227 — link — abuse?
Tomcat ou isn't overrated because they were picked by Kirk Herb., Lee Corso,Mark, and Lou to win the Big XII.3 of them picked who they thought would win the national championship Herbie picked ou to make it to LA. and Lou picked them to win a rematch of the orange bowl. YEP not 1 picked Texas to win the BIG XII
1st_and_NOLE said:
posted on August 25, 2007 6:43 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
ESPN's Biggest Hits
#1: Rock-Paper-Scissors National Championship
#2: Darts
#3: Competitive Cup Stacking
#4: Dominoes
#5: Spelling Bees
#6: Poker
ESPN is a joke and they continue to discredit themselves on a daily basis. They put whatever they want on TV assuming the rest of us will bow down and worship everything they do. ESPN is drowning in their own arrogance.
Chris said:
posted on August 25, 2007 9:15 PM — 65.190.19.93 — link — abuse?
ok ive noticed how all the fsu fans hate this article. i really dont see how you can argue with fsu being on this poll. my argument is for those teams who start high at the start of the season and slip a bit. for example florida, the averaged 3 1/3 spots down per season in the last 10 seasons. thats less spots than a team suffers from one late season loss. For example Michigan dropped from 3 before last years bowl season to 9 after their bowl loss. that six spots. its hard to claim a team is overrated just because theyve dropped 3 spots per year. thats one loss. 3 spots does not make a team overrated. the 2002 and 2004 seasons account for 28 of the 33 1/2 in the last 10 years. that means without those two seasons the gators average a drop of about .7 spots for the other 8 years. thats not a big drop. fsu on the other hand averages 6 1/3 spots a year. obviously they havent dropped every season since they dropped 18 spots in 2002. if they had dropped every year the average would be alot higher. fsu is definately overrated but idk if they are the most overrated. numbers arent they only factor to figure in. ND is definately more overrated.
Tomcat said:
posted on August 26, 2007 12:32 PM — 70.249.41.135 — link — abuse?
In response to #56 Ever heard of a flood.I didnt respond for two days because I was operating the gates on a dam-no access.Please correct my spelling and try to find some other type of negative BS.Texas is always overated, thats the way it is when you have a program that is consistantly winning 9 to 13 games a year for 9 years.When a team has a minimum of a least 10 wins 6 years in a row and wins 5 outa 6 bowls they tend to get overated.Thats okay, and after they beat OU again for the third straight year the world will know who's overated.
Kinda funny you mention placing a bet because just the other day, I guy that I bet with every year-didnt want to bet this year. Then he rambled on about how they are playing Miami and the Horns dont play anybody.
As far as my location
Im from Gander Slough where the wind blew and the sh-t flew and I aint been whuped in a week or two.
FWI Gander Slough is a real small oil feild community in Guadalupe County
Hookem-Horns
Adios TomcatLennie Collins said:
posted on August 26, 2007 3:55 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Tomcat...I never heard of a FLOOD so inform me!!! I don't care about the spellin'! I think the poll was based on where you are ranked pre-season in finish...NOT BOWL GAMES. I cannot control what someone else does but I live in Travis County and I would LOVE to met you halfway. I want to place some bets with you for sure. I will say right here right now...Oklahoma WILL BEAT ut, go undefeated, and REPEAT as Big 12 Champions!
Tomcat said:
posted on August 26, 2007 4:49 PM — 70.249.41.135 — link — abuse?
Bobby # 64 Youre right seems as if this fellow is unhappy with his current enviroment.Why is he in Austin? Who cares? If you[ Lennie} are unhappy in Austin move back to Mississippi or relocate to Norman.
Why is Lennie an OU fan?
Why not a fan of Golden Eagles, Rebels or Bulldogs?
Hookem-Horns
Austin, Texas
Lone Star State CapitolLennie Collins said:
posted on August 26, 2007 5:13 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Tomcat...it seems like everytime you say something cool...you say 5 things dumb! I live in Austin by choice! I am a OU fan by choice! I am glad I have not told you I am an African-American, you probably would have said go back to Africa! If you love ut so much why isn't your sorry butt living in Austin? Why are you a longhornfan? Why not an Aggies, Redraiders, Bobcats fan? Why is the sky blue? Why is water wet? Tomcat you should be a comedian! You do not need someone to write your jokes because you are a live one. Where did you go to school? Did you graduate? Were you a dropout? Are you on drugs? Were you abuse has a child? Do you suffer from low self-esteem? Tomcat...I love you man. If you are like this on the computer you gots to be 100 funnier in person! You must care if you asked the questions! Remember Tomcat do not take it personal, It's only COMEDY! Take care man!
Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 26, 2007 5:41 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Bobby man, get Tomcat's e-mail address, home/cell phone number, something! Help this man with his responses! Comment #67 is gots to one of the bizzare ones yet. Hey Tomcat should I move to Oklahoma City since it's the state's capital? You know there are more college teams in the state of Mississippi. What about the one Jerry Rice went to...Mississippi Valley State? Walter Payton went to Jackson State, how 'bout that one? AHHHHHHHHHHHH! Why are the Sooners colors crimson & cream. Why ask why, BUD DRY! Can't we just all get along?
Tomcat said:
posted on August 26, 2007 10:37 PM — 70.249.41.135 — link — abuse?
Hey Lennie I'm laughing right now.I love Mississippi Football, but not as much as Texas Football. I cant help it I'm from Texas you just cant understand. It just kinda seemed odd to me, like Bobby says earlier why OU?
Look you live in Austin by choice right?
The University of Texas is located in Austin right?
You dont like UT right?
If you were to relocate to Norman Ok would you become a UT fan? perhaps?
I've lived in Austin before on two different occassions, first time was when my Dad was a student and my cousin was a coach. Second time was when I got back from overseas and worked construction downtown.
In other words if I was to relocate I'd still be a Horns fan, but could very possibably be a Middle Tenn Fan if I lived in Murphysboro, or I could very well be a Tigers fan if I lived in Memphis.I've been to Oxford and like Ole Miss.
If I lived in Pittsburgh Kansas I'd be a Gorilla fan.
I'm a Horns fan, but I still like any team from the old SWC, and any team that is playing against OU.
We like to see OU get beat whether its TTech, TCU, UT, BU,Bois, UO whatever I'm even a N-Tex fan if they are playing OU.
Hookem-Horns
P.S. I also like Texas A&M, Baylor, Rice,TCU,SMU, Houston and Texas st Bobcats
Go Tulsa
Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 26, 2007 11:10 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Tomcat, you said somethin' cool somewhat...Now $100 bet to anyone out there that the next blog from Tomcat will be off the wall! Tomcat...all joking aside. You seem sound like a decent man, WHEN you type something that is somewhat reasonable! Life is about choices and decisions. I do not want to say why I left or why I will not return to Mississippi or why I don't cheer for their teams because I am afraid you will say some off the wall junk and come off sounding like a racist! I am a Sylvester Croom fan! I gots to be me and I can't let people tell me how I should live or think. I can't go with the crowd or flow. The majority of my friends "switched" over to being ut fans and if that's what they want then who am I to say what they should or should not do! I joke around yeah but I will be 100% serious if you were right here in Austin I would not care if you were a ut fan or not. If you are my FRIEND it will be based on love, nothing else! Race, politicial and/or social views, age, gender, and so on do not mean JACK to me. When I was young...I acted like a fool, talked like a fool, and reasoned like a fool. Now I am a little older it is time to put foolish ways behind me! If friendships are based on common interests thats cool but friendships based on different interests in MY opinion are real! I have friends that can't stand OU, football in general, old school R&B, and other stuff I dig but that's cool. I have friend that have interests that I don't like and that's cool too. Take care man!
NEIrishFan said:
posted on August 27, 2007 12:05 AM — 208.53.223.111 — link — abuse?
Ok, obviously texas and oklahoma fans are going to be so busy ARGUING over who is going to win the big 12 they forgot about the other sleepers in their conference. I am a die hard Notre Dame fan and I agree they should be in that poll for being most overrated...being from Nebraska and growing up around these fans I have come to dislike them highly but I will warn the Big 12 South, Nebraska is going to be damn good this year with Keller slinging for them. Everyone claims they HATE ESPN on here but do you realize you are doing the exact same thing as they do? Mark May a perfect example of the gibberish I see in this post, this team is going to win for sure or that team is, that is bullshit, this is college football ANYONE can WIN on ANY GIVEN NIGHT!!!! This is a perfect example of how very few of you know a thing about football, spit all the statistics you want, it don't mean a damn thing. (UCLA--USC) (BOISE ST--OKLAHOMA) I could go on and on.
GO IRISH!T-Mac said:
posted on August 27, 2007 12:41 AM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, what's up bro?
Can you tell T-Mac anything on a QB named Greg McElroy?
He is from Southlake,TX.
Carroll High School.
His stats are out of control bro!
He is a RS Fr at Alabama.T-Mac was just curious if you had any info?
Shout out to Pookie.
Get well soon Dogg!
T-Mac will post when he can.
*T-Mac approved this message.Tomcat said:
posted on August 27, 2007 3:54 AM — 70.249.41.135 — link — abuse?
Hey T-Mac The Southlake Carrol Dragons have produced alot of players. Sorry I really dont have any information on McElroy. There is a magazine called Dave Cambells Texas Football.
I havent got a copy this year and I usually do. It has alot of information about every team in the State High School and college.
Sorry I couldnt be more help
Adios TomcatBobby said:
posted on August 27, 2007 10:40 PM — 70.112.114.73 — link — abuse?
T-mac, I'm not aware of this McElroy kid the Southlake Carrol QB is Riley Dodge. His father is Todd Dodge the head coach at North Texas. Nate Newtons son Tre is the running back. You know that the state champs of Texas are playing the state champs of Florida on Sept. 15th right? This will be Carrolls first season without Dodge coaching. Number 1 in the nation Carroll going against number 2..should be great.
Buckeye said:
posted on August 28, 2007 8:46 AM — 131.183.74.45 — link — abuse?
Perhaps you should look at how many National Championships the teams on the "overrated" list have won compared to those that the teams on the underrated list have won. The fact that all of the teams on the overrated list are consistently top-ranked program allows for them to have a chance of getting negative points. think about this ... a team is ranked in the top 5 and they lose, depending on the team they lost to they are dropping five spots or more. A team which is outside the top 25 loses and it's not big deal or a team ranked 20 or less can lose three times in a season and not worry about really losing any ground in the rankings. Teams ranked higher are penalized more, so basically the only thing this fact says is that the programs on the overrated list are ranked high and sometimes lose. While, the teams on the underrated list are not highly rated because if they were, they wouldn't have much room to improve, so they are allowed the ability to start at a low rank or outside the top 25 and can only gain positive points for a good year. This means nothing.
Zac said:
posted on August 29, 2007 11:31 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Hey, Truth, how ya be??? Heard from Tommy T lately. I am surprised to see you're the 1st at Post 81 (and 82) to have anything to say about WVU. I was actually getting to the point I was almost believing my Mountaineers would escape this thread unscathed. Alas, twas not to be. Now, here's the funny part. I actually agree with you. I'm hoping against hope it works out that way, but my realistic guess is WVU will wind up around 10th like last season. This is neither unreasonable, nor is it bad. But, hey, I can still dream; can't I? I also find it probably a bit too funny; like everybody else, you've picked ND #1. Well, I guess we'll all see real soon, as in 24-72 hrs from now. Enjoy & welcome back!!!
Tomcat said:
posted on August 30, 2007 1:03 AM — 70.245.221.91 — link — abuse?
Bobby Ya Coach Dodge former UT QB is in his first year as head coach at UNT Mean Green.
He will bring his spread offensive attack that brought him so much sucess at the H/S level to the Div I-A level. Opening this season against OU
Go Mean Green
Hookem-HornsSooner Born said:
posted on August 30, 2007 2:17 PM — 216.37.193.133 — link — abuse?
Everybody hating on the Sooners! You know putting a team down with hatred like this is actually a compliment. It means you are scared of us or you wouldn't even pay attention to us! I like it when everyone doubts us, that is when we win championships! Oh and we have 7, how many do you have? I pretty sure the only ones that can compare are ND and USC! Sorry boys.
Sooner Nation will prevail!
Sooner Born said:
posted on August 30, 2007 2:20 PM — 216.37.193.133 — link — abuse?
Everybody hating on the Sooners! You know putting a team down with hatred like this is actually a compliment. It means you are scared of us or you wouldn't even pay attention to us! I like it when everyone doubts us, that is when we win championships! Oh and we have 7, how many do you have? I pretty sure the only ones that can compare are ND and USC! Sorry boys.
Sooner Nation will prevail!
shutr-mkgvn said:
posted on August 30, 2007 3:24 PM — 206.15.203.10 — link — abuse?
19. Gotta say, Notre Dame is highly overrated. Maybe if they got into a conference, they would be revealed for what they are.
Why would joining a conference be good for ND?
ND is over-rated more often than not...agree - but that doesn't make it easier to win games. 55% of the country hates ND. Try playing EVERY week against teams/fans + the rest of the 55% that hate you week in week out. Give credit where credits due - its harder to win at ND than any other school.
joseph said:
posted on August 30, 2007 4:51 PM — 206.254.48.17 — link — abuse?
Steve Megargee
Rivals.com College Football Staff Writer top 10 toughest schedules1. Washington Huskies
Washington Schedule
Date Opponent
Aug. 31 at Syracuse
Sept. 8 Boise State
Sept. 15 Ohio State
Sept. 22 at UCLA
Sept. 29 Southern Cal
Oct. 13 at Arizona State
Oct. 20 Oregon
Oct. 27 Arizona
Nov. 3 at Stanford
Nov. 10 at Oregon State
Nov. 17 California
Nov. 24 Washington State
Dec. 1 at Hawaii
Combined record of Division I-A opponents: 105-62 (.629)
Bowl teams: Nine
Home games: Seven
Teams that finished last year in the Associated Press Top 25: Five (four at home). Hawaii was a USA Today Top 25 team but didn't make the final AP poll.
Division I-AA opponents:None.
Why they're No. 1: An injury to quarterback Isaiah Stanback was probably the only thing that kept Washington out of the postseason last year, but it's tough to imagine the Huskies earning a bowl bid after facing this murderous schedule. No other school on this list faces more teams that played in bowl games last year. No team from a BCS conference has a non-conference schedule that even compares to the list of opponents Washington will face from outside the Pac-10. Washington opens with an always-tricky trip to the Carrier Dome. The Huskies better beat Syracuse because three of their next four opponents (Boise State, Ohio State and Southern California) played in BCS games last season. The only game on this schedule that looks like a breather is Stanford, until you realize Washington was the only team the Cardinal beat last season.2. South Carolina Gamecocks
South Carolina Schedule
Date Opponent
Sept. 1 La.-Lafayette
Sept. 8 at Georgia
Sept. 15 S. Carolina St.
Sept. 22 at LSU
Sept. 29 Miss. State
Oct. 4 Kentucky
Oct. 13 at North Carolina
Oct. 20 Vanderbilt
Oct. 27 at Tennessee
Nov. 3 at Arkansas
Nov. 10 Florida
Nov. 24 Clemson
Combined record of Division I-A opponents: 84-57 (.596)
Bowl teams: Seven
Home games: Seven
AP Top 25 teams: Five (one at home)
Division I-AA teams: One
Why they're No. 2: The Southeastern Conference features so many tough teams that its members dominate this list, but South Carolina's schedule is the toughest in the league. The Gamecocks must face Georgia, Louisiana State, Tennessee and Arkansas - all on the road. By the time the Gamecocks finally return home for good, they must welcome defending national champion Florida and rival Clemson in a pair of emotionally charged games. Steve Spurrier appears to have the Gamecocks on the verge of contention in the Southeastern Conference Eastern Division, but he could have a hard time challenging for a title this year because the schedule is so demanding.3. Florida State Seminoles
Florida State Schedule
Date Opponent
Sept. 3 at Clemson
Sept. 8 UAB
Sept. 15 at Colorado
Sept. 29 Alabama
Oct. 6 N.C. State
Oct. 11 at Wake Forest
Oct. 20 Miami (Fla.)
Oct. 27 Duke
Nov. 3 at Boston College
Nov. 10 at Virginia Tech
Nov. 17 Maryland
Nov. 24 at Florida
Combined record of Division I-A opponents: 82-72 (.532)
Bowl teams: Eight
Home games: Five (not including Alabama at Jacksonville)
Division I-AA opponents: None
AP Top 25 teams: Four (one at home)
Why they're No. 3: In an era when most big-time programs try to schedule at least seven home games, Florida State will play just five times at Doak Campbell Stadium. The Seminoles' demanding road schedule includes trips to Clemson, Boston College, Virginia Tech and Florida. Although the Seminoles face Alabama close to home in Jacksonville, we're expecting at least half the spectators to root for the Crimson Tide. Florida State also was the rare BCS team that didn't schedule a Division I-AA opponent. Critics might point to the relatively weak combined 2006 record of Florida State's opponents, but we're assuming Miami and Alabama will bounce back from disappointing seasons.4. Michigan State Spartans
Michigan State Schedule
Date Opponent
Sept. 1 UAB
Sept. 8 Bowling Green
Sept. 15 Pittsburgh
Sept. 22 at Notre Dame
Sept. 29 at Wisconsin
Oct. 6 Northwestern
Oct. 13 Indiana
Oct. 20 at Ohio State
Oct. 27 at Iowa
Nov. 3 Michigan
Nov. 10 at Purdue
Nov. 17 Penn State
Combined record of Division I-A opponents: 90-62 (.592)
Bowl teams: Seven
Home games: Seven
Division I-AA opponents: None
AP Top 25 teams: Five (two at home)
Why they're No. 4: Although Big Ten teams don't face a round-robin conference schedule, the Spartans will have to face all four of the conference's top teams (Ohio State, Wisconsin, Michigan and Penn State). The schedule also isn't arranged in the most favorable pattern. The Spartans make trips to Notre Dame and Wisconsin on back-to-back weeks in September. They also end the regular season with five games against teams that played in bowls last season.
5. Auburn Tigers
Auburn Schedule
Date Opponent
Sept. 1 Kansas State
Sept. 8 South Florida
Sept. 15 Mississippi State
Sept. 22 New Mexico St.
Sept. 29 at Florida
Oct. 6 Vanderbilt
Oct. 13 at Arkansas
Oct. 20 at LSU
Oct. 27 Ole Miss
Nov. 3 Tennessee Tech
Nov. 10 at Georgia
Nov. 24 Alabama
Combined record of Division I-A opponents: 80-61 (.567)
Bowl teams: Seven
Home games: Eight
Division I-AA teams: One
AP Top 25 teams: Four (none at home)
Why they're No. 5: What Auburn's road schedule lacks in quantity, it makes up for in quality. The Tigers' four away games this season are all against teams that finished in the Top 25 last season: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Georgia and defending national champion Florida. Auburn doesn't rank higher on this list because the Tigers should benefit from playing eight home games, including a I-AA opponent (Tennessee Tech) and a second-tier Western Athletic Conference team (New Mexico State).
6. Tennessee Volunteers
Tennessee Schedule
Date Opponent
Sept. 1 at California
Sept. 8 Southern Miss.
Sept. 15 at Florida
Sept. 22 Arkansas State
Oct. 6 Georgia
Oct. 13 at Miss. State
Oct. 20 at Alabama
Oct. 27 South Carolina
Nov. 3 La.-Lafayette
Nov. 10 Arkansas
Nov. 17 Vanderbilt
Nov. 24 at Kentucky
Combined record of Division I-A opponents: 92-63 (.594)
Bowl teams: Eight
Home games: Seven
Division I-AA opponents: None
AP Top 25 teams: Four (two at home)
Why they're No. 6: Tennessee's difficult season opener at California and its relatively tough matchup with Southern Mississippi compensate for the cakewalks against Arkansas State and Louisiana-Lafayette that make up the rest of the Vols' non-conference schedule. Tennessee avoids Auburn and Louisiana State from the SEC West, but a road trip to Alabama and a home game with Arkansas still offer quite a challenge. And this is an odd year, which means Tennessee must go to Gainesville for its annual showdown with Florida.
7. Florida Gators
Florida Schedule
Date Opponent
Sept. 1 W. Kentucky
Sept. 8 Troy
Sept. 15 Tennessee
Sept. 22 at Ole Miss
Sept. 29 Auburn
Oct. 6 at LSU
Oct. 20 at Kentucky
Oct. 27 vs. Georgia
Nov. 3 Vanderbilt
Nov. 10 at South Carolina
Nov. 17 Florida Atlantic
Nov. 24 Florida State
Combined record of Division I-A opponents: 84-56 (.600)
Bowl teams: Eight
Home games: Seven (not including Georgia at Jacksonville)
Division I-AA opponents: One
AP Top 25 teams: Four (two at home, one at neutral site)
Why they're No. 7: Remember that brutal midseason stretch last year when the Gators faced Kentucky, Alabama, Louisiana State, Auburn and Georgia in consecutive weeks? Florida doesn't have to worry about Alabama again, but the Gators will face Auburn, LSU, Kentucky and Georgia in a four-week span. Florida's traditionally tough SEC schedule and its season-ending showdown with Florida State compensate for the Gators' non-conference games with Western Kentucky and Florida Atlantic. Don't mark that Troy game down as an obvious blowout just yet. The Trojans gave Florida State and Georgia Tech all they could handle last year.
8. USC Trojans
USC Schedule
Date Opponent
Sept. 1 Idaho
Sept. 15 at Nebraska
Sept. 22 Washington State
Sept. 29 at Washington
Oct. 6 Stanford
Oct. 13 Arizona
Oct. 20 at Notre Dame
Oct. 27 at Oregon
Nov. 3 Oregon State
Nov. 10 at Cal
Nov. 22 at Arizona State
Dec. 1 UCLA
Combined record of Division I-A opponents: 82-71 (.536)
Bowl teams: Seven
Home games: Six
Division I-AA opponents: None
AP Top 25 teams: Three (one at home)
Why they're No. 8: The consensus preseason national title favorite will have to earn its way to the championship game. USC will play host to Oregon State and UCLA, but the rest of its toughest games are on the road. The Trojans have non-conference visits to Nebraska and Notre Dame along with conference road tests at Oregon and California. Each of USC's final six opponents played in bowl games last season.
9. Stanford Cardinal
Stanford Schedule
Date Opponent
Sept. 1 UCLA
Sept. 15 San Jose State
Sept. 22 Oregon
Sept. 29 Arizona State
Oct. 6 at USC
Oct. 13 TCU
Oct. 20 at Arizona
Oct. 27 at Oregon State
Nov. 3 Washington
Nov. 10 at Washington State
Nov. 24 Notre Dame
Dec. 1 California
Combined record of Division I-A opponents: 99-55 (.643)
Bowl teams: Nine
Home games: Seven
Division I-AA opponents: None
AP Top 25 teams: Five (three at home)
Why they're No. 9: Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh won't get a chance to ease into his new job. Washington – the lone team to lose to Stanford last year – is the Cardinal's only opponent that had a losing record in 2006. Stanford faces four teams (USC, Texas Christian, Notre Dame and California) that won at least 10 games last season. The only reason Stanford doesn't rank higher on this list is because most of the Cardinal's toughest games are at home. Then again, unless Stanford shows tremendous improvement this season, it really won't matter where the Cardinal plays these games.
10. Mississippi State Bulldogs
Mississippi State Schedule
Date Opponent
Aug. 30 LSU
Sept. 8 at Tulane
Sept. 15 at Auburn
Sept. 22 Gardner-Webb
Sept. 29 at South Carolina
Oct. 6 Ala.-Birmingham
Oct. 13 Tennessee
Oct. 20 at West Virginia
Oct. 27 at Kentucky
Nov. 10 Alabama
Nov. 17 at Arkansas
Nov. 24 Ole Miss
Combined record of Division I-A opponents: 85-56 (.603)
Bowl teams: Eight
Home games: Six
Division I-AA opponents: One
AP Top 25 teams: Five (two at home)
Why they're No. 10: As if Mississippi State doesn't have enough trouble dealing with the rigors of an SEC schedule, the Bulldogs also must travel to West Virginia in between games against Tennessee and Kentucky. Mississippi State could fall out of contention in the West by mid-September because the Bulldogs face LSU and Auburn in the first three weeks of the season. The Bulldogs later encounter a grueling five-week stretch in which they face Tennessee, West Virginia, Kentucky, Alabama and Arkansas.RB said:
posted on September 2, 2007 6:48 PM — 69.71.163.45 — link — abuse?
"This year should be embarassing for those sooners".
I don't hate the sooners but I do smile when I think about the '06 fiesta bowl. I was shocked they lost truthfully. I thought BSU was going to get killed 130-zip. They said by the end of the game even some of the Sooner fans were rooting for BSU.
It just goes to show what can be done if you want it bad enough.The crappiest thing about the BCS bowls is that its all about money. I mean ND can lose most of their games in a season and still wind up going to a big bowl game. The BCS is all about pooling everyones money in one place. If thats not a racket then just shoot me right here. If it was about what teams were the best ND would be the first to go.
It should BSC- Bull Sh!t Conference
Any help here.....
GA Boy said:
posted on September 2, 2007 10:49 PM — 97.89.29.93 — link — abuse?
I am going to do it. Can't believe it but I will. PAC 10 looks good this year. More than a one team show this year with USC, CAL, UCLA. We need more home-home series between PAC and SEC. This is two different styles of football that make for exciting games. That is one hell of an offense the Bears have.
I was really impressed with the DAWGS young players yesterday. What did the rest of you think? I know I am just a little biased seeing as how I bleed red and black. I think this could be a big year for the DAWGS.T-Mac said:
posted on September 3, 2007 12:24 AM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
GA Boy, post 100. T-Mac has to disagree with you on the Cal/Tenn game.
T-Mac has to disagree with you in the fact that you state that Cal has one hell of an offense.
T-Mac says the Cal offense is good!
Deshaun Jackson is a baller! No Doubt!
The Cal offense did look good!
T-Mac says the Tenn defense is terrible!
The Tenn offense played well.
Well enough to win that game for sure.
The Tenn offense put up 31 points!
The Tenn defense looked flat out LAZY!!!
Missed tackle after missed tackle!
All game long.
The Tenn front 4 got no pressure all game.
T-Mac can't recall a Tenn defense playing that sloppy in recent history.
Even in the 2005 season when they went 5-6.
T-Mac hates it for Ainge and the offense.
The offense played well enough to win.
The special teams played well enough to win.
Except for the one punt return by DJ!
After that, they didn't kick to him anymore!
Smart move on the part of Tenn.
That Tenn defense that played at Cal couldn't have stopped Vandy!
T-Mac doesn't know what the hell is going on up on Rocky Top, but if this defense doesn't improve DRASTICALLY there will be more L's in the loss column!
T-Mac doesn't understand this at all.
It's not like Tenn has been on probation or anything like that.
They are loaded with talent.
Tenn has great recruiting year in and year out!
T-Mac says there is absolutely NO EXCUSE for The University of Tennessee to have gone out to Cal-Berkeley where the Pac is known for GREAT offense and played so POORLY on defense!!!!!!T-Mac says the SEC is known for GREAT defense!
T-Mac says this is the bottome line!COACHING.
PERIOD.
It's no big secret that Fulmer and Chavis(def coor) haven't been seeing eye to eye in recent years!
Fulmer want's to have control of the D-side as well!
This in turn has made Chavis consider seeking a head coaching job and rightfully so!
Don't get T-Mac wrong. If you go into a def/off coor job KNOWING that the head coach has control over that then it's all good. If you take a def/off coor job KNOWING that the head coach depends on you during games for play calling specifically than you have nobody to blame but yourself!
T-Mac says the 45-31 loss out at Cal-Berkeley rests on nobody except for Fulmer!
T-Mac says let Chavis run the defense and get back to winning because the way that game was played, Tenn will not see a bowl if it continues!
This is why you have off and def coordinator's!!!
If T-Mac were Chavis he would be looking into the Miss State job next spring after Croom is let go!
T-Mac had Tennessee winning the SEC East.T-Mac now says Georgia.
What T-Mac does is that anytime an SEC school plays a game against a school outside the SEC he roots for the SEC school.
This game didn't help the SEC.
Unlike the BIG 10, the SEC sticks TOGETHER!!!!
We might get out and BANG every Saturday, but when we play a school OOC, we root for our SEC brother's!
Leave the def playcalling to Chavis.
*T-Mac approved this message.
z28doc said:
posted on September 4, 2007 10:02 AM — 65.189.40.243 — link — abuse?
Where is Notre DAme on this list? they have not been relevant for some 14 years but they still recieved 'gift' bowl games (where they have proven to be overmatched) ND is great at tradition and the 'business' of College football. but are by far the most overated team in recent memory - the other teams on the list at least have some big wins...the past two years unders Weis what is the big victory? an underachievig Michigan in '05 or the almost win (loss) against USC in '05...help me understand the hype on this team. Admire them for tradition, support and the business management but football...please.
Eye of the Tiger said:
posted on August 21, 2007 11:24 AM — 138.163.0.41 — link — abuse?Thank you for making this thread. Now I am taking notes of this Mark Schlabach of ESPN, so for future reference I will not to listen to sh__ he is saying. What's really amazing is Notre Dame didn't get a spot. Is this guy really an expert? Give me his job!