August 27, 2007
Rivals rolls out the Hot Seat
The team at Rivals.com have compiled their list of the Top 10 Hot Seat Coaches for 2007. Some of the old hot-seat faithful are (yet again) on the list, but there are some fresh faces on the 2007 list as well.
The 2007 Rivals.com list, with a few of the highlights:
1. Bill Doba, Washington State
The Cougars like to point out that since 2001 they've posted 40 wins, which is more than any Pac-10 team except USC or Oregon. But only 15 of those have come in the last three years. Washington State boasted three consecutive 10-victory seasons from 2001 to 2003, with one of those coming in Doba's first year as head coach. Now, the streak is three seasons in a row without a winning record, though the Cougars did manage to break even a year ago. Still, boosters that grew accustomed to double-digit victory totals don't find much consolation in a 6-6 finish.2. Al Groh, Virginia
3. Ed Orgeron, Mississippi
The Rebels haven't suffered three consecutive losing seasons under the same head coach since 1980-82. Orgeron, who is hoping to avoid a similar trifecta, has recruited well - though it hasn't shown in the results. Ole Miss has posted records of 3-8 and 4-8 in his two seasons in Oxford. David Cutcliffe, Orgeron's predecessor, posted five winning seasons and then was canned after one bad year. How much more slack will Orgeron be given?4. Sylvester Croom, Mississippi State
5. Mark Mangino, Kansas
6. Greg Robinson, Syracuse
History shows Syracuse boosters don't take losing lightly. The Orange has lost 13 of 14 Big East Conference games under Robinson. Paul Pasqualoni, whom Robinson replaced, only endured one losing season in 14 years. Pasqualoni was fired three seasons after directing the Orange to a 10-3 finish and a bowl appearance. Syracuse, which is 5-18 in Robinson's brief tenure, has never had a coach preside over three consecutive losing seasons. Perhaps the Orange progressed with four victories in 2006, but Syracuse still ranked 110th nationally in total offense and 107th in total defense.7. Guy Morriss, Baylor
8. Tommy Bowden, Clemson
9. Tyrone Willingham, Washington
10. Mike Stoops, Arizona
It's a solid list, but I think Orgeron is seriously under-rated at #3. I can easily see the Ole Miss faithful stringing up their coach at the end of the season. Orgeron lacks a signature win and hasn't done the Rebels many favors off-the-field, either. One gets the impression that his schtick is starting to wear a little thin.
And, of course, Hot List record holder Tommy Bowden... ((sigh)) ... so many years, so many bowls... and yet still, Tommy's on the hot seat. I have to wonder if Tommy's fate isn't directly related to Spurrier's success at USC. If the OBC gets things moving for the Gamecocks, don't expect the Tigers boosters to sit idly by.
Comments:
Gatornation said:
posted on August 27, 2007 7:57 PM — 76.110.204.119 — link — abuse?
No mention of Lloyd Carr? 0-8 against tOSU and in Bowl games is last two years is not going to cut it at one of the proudest college football programs in the country.
For those who think that a NC a full decade ago and a winning record will keep Carr at that seat, just look at John Cooper at tOSU. While he didn't have a NC, he did have a .715 winning pct over 12 years and 3 BigTen titles. But 2-10-1 against Michigan was enough to show him the door.
One more loss to tOSU (especially with that talent) and the boosters will force Lloyd into early retirement.
Tomcat said:
posted on August 27, 2007 8:22 PM — 207.193.30.194 — link — abuse?
#9 Ty Willingham Come on guys didnt he just start out there.Seems like a guy ought to have a few years to establish their program.
#3 Orgeron Same kinda argument seems as though the recruiting and attitude have improved and they compete in one of the toughest conferences.
#7 Morris has had some shining moments and some huge victories,including victories over Texas A&M, OK State,Colo, Iowa St, K-State,SMU and Kansas.
When looking at their schedule its purty tough
This year UT in Austin , OU in Norman, TCU in Ft Worth, Texas A&M in College Station. Thats 4 top 25 teams on the road.They also face TTech and Ok state every year.
I actually think that coach Fran-Texas A&M
would be on the list too after the three close losses TTech, OU and Neb and they got killed by Cal in their Bowl, but the Aggies beat the Horns so their season was deemed successful.
#5 Mark Mangino They beat K-State and S.Fla
not too bad-lost to Baylor XII tough conference
Sicem Bears beat the Frogs
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on August 27, 2007 8:23 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
Lennie,
Are you nuts?????????? Croom may be the worst coach in college football. Certainly the worst in the SEC. He is 9-25 in three years! His wins have come against Tulane(twice), Murray State, Ole Miss, UAB and Jacksonville State. His first year he did beat Florida and Kentucky and last year au upset over Alabama. HOT SEAT... You bet!
Zook is 4-19 afer two years. He has recruited quite well, but the record is horrible. 4-8 this year and he is gone.
I do agree with you about Morris because you simply can not win at Baylor. They should be greatful anyone wants to coach there.cock'n'fire south carolina 101 said:
posted on August 27, 2007 8:25 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
post 1, i agree TB should be higher, however if they fire TB they will be in worse condition then they are in already...and i just LOVE watching clemson fall apart especially when it comes to feild goals, at the liberty bowl the whole parking lot listened to clemson play kentucky and every missed kick u could hear horns sounding all over the parking lot its just so funny...pretty much it doesnt matter who is the coach is at clemson...until spurrier is gone clemson is in bad shape because at clemson its losing to sc that can cost you your job
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on August 27, 2007 8:34 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
Kevin,
Interesting you equate Tommy Bowden with Steve Spurrier's success. Steve is 15-10 in the last two years, 1-1 in bowl games and 1-1 against Clemson. Tommy is 16-9 in the last two years, 1-1 in bowl games and 1-1 against South Carolina.
Don't you think Tommy is on the hot seat, because how Clemson finished? Certainly over the last two years it has little to do with comparing the success of one agaisnt the other as you sugesst; regular season, post season or against each other. Now you could make the argument of expectations.CUTotalTiger said:
posted on August 27, 2007 8:38 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
1st and Nole..... If Clemson upsets the Noles..... Who are you going to blame? With what you have coming back Jeff could have hung around and had a good year. But if the UNTHINKABLE HAPPENS, and you drop three in a row to the lowly Tigers..... Who are you going to blame. Jeff is gone. Are you going to blame Bobby?
Granted, for Clemson to win 4 of 5 should never happen... but all I have heard is that FSU is back because of the new coacehs.
Makes interesting food for thougth!!! See you Monday.OU-Ron
posted on August 27, 2007 8:41 PM — 72.198.24.199 — link — abuse?
said:
I don’t know if Mangino should be on the list or not, he has had some good games against some very good opponents. I think with a few class recruits, they could be a threat. It was just a few threads back talking about Kansas being the sleeper team in the 12 North. I hope he stays a while.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 27, 2007 9:24 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey fellow college football fans...these coaches are on the hot seat because of historic winning or their A.D. 's got what I call the "Florida Gators Vapors". Now that the Gators have won National Titles in basketball & football you are going to have more programs saying "Why can't we do it?" The majority of the money college sports make are from basketball and/or football programs.
posted on August 27, 2007 9:36 PM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue
said:
I don't put TB on the hot seat for any comparison to Spurrier per se. Obviously, TB has been much more successful at CU than the OBC has been at USC.
That said... if Spurrier is successful at USC and CU is not competing for the ACC title & beyond, then the CU fans WILL MAKE TB SWING.
Nolen1999 said:
posted on August 27, 2007 10:10 PM — 65.33.112.116 — link — abuse?
CUTotalTiger Post #9:
First of all, if Clemson beats FSU, I don't think that would be considered an upset. Had that been about 10 years ago, it would have.
With all that we have coming back, I don't think Jeff would have had a good year, point blank. With this year's schedule, we would have been in the same situation as we were last year. Our defense is usually good, our offense, sucked and very inept.
If BB has given each coach the right to run the show and we lose, then the blame will go to them. If BB takes over the reigns and we continue to lose, then it might be time for BB to hang it up and step down.
I will also say this, Clemson has a lot of talent and should never be taken lightly. TB could lose his job if he has a losing season, trust me.
FSU is not back... not yet at least. We have a great coaching staff but they'll have to prove that on the field. Time will tell... one thing I do know, we're in a better situation now than we were a year ago. I just hope to see my Noles play football like they once did when I was a student in the late 90's.
Football is almost here!!!
1st_and_NOLE
posted on August 27, 2007 10:10 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse? said:
CUTotalTiger #9:
I won't engage you on this topic due to it not being relevant at all to the thread.
Everything I stated in my post was completely relevant to TB being on the hot seat.
In your post #9, I saw nothing regarding anything about a coach being on a hot seat.
However, since you deviated from the topic of the thread and asked me a direct question, I'll offer a brief response (relative to what it could be).
I personally won't "blame" anyone for a loss at Clemson (should it happen). Clemson is a quality opponent and no one claimed winning in Death Valley was an easy task. It's a new system and new staff so first game jitters and mistakes will probably be amplified, making the task of winning harder. However, consider this:
Bobby Bowden is 28-3 in season-openers since taking over as head coach in 1976. This will mark the tenth time in the last 16 years FSU has opened the season with an ACC opponent. The only time FSU has lost a season-opener against an ACC opponent was 2004 versus Miami. Florida State is 4-0 versus Duke, 1-0 versus Virginia, 1-0 versus North Carolina and 2-1 against Miami in those games. The Seminoles are 13-2 all-time in ACC openers, with the only losses to NC State in 1998 and Miami in 2004. In FSU's previous 14 ACC openers, FSU has averaged 37.4 ppg while giving up 15.7 ppg.
I'll end this little side discussion with that and I'll get back to the original topic of the thread.
See you Monday, I'll be there.
cock'n'fire south carolina 101 said:
posted on August 27, 2007 10:43 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
mr total tiger
u would think that tommy bowden would look better than steve spurrier but if u look at the improvement rate then youll see that steve spurrier is outrunning TB, but tommy bowden deserves a higher spot on that list and also after this season well see if kentucky really is improving to a better football program because that loss to them was kind of unexpected to me even though i was cheering on kentucky
cock'n'fire south carolina 101 said:
posted on August 27, 2007 10:44 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
mr total tiger
u would think that tommy bowden would look better than steve spurrier but if u look at the improvement rate then youll see that steve spurrier is outrunning TB, but tommy bowden deserves a higher spot on that list and also after this season well see if kentucky really is improving to a better football program because that loss to them was kind of unexpected to me even though i was cheering on kentucky
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on August 27, 2007 10:45 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
1st and Nole,
sorry if I deviated,,, but in your post you predicted a win for FSU, "..... for TB, him losing on Labor Day will not help his cause." I guess i was trying to point out, that if BB and the boys get upset, and it would be an upset, does Bobby find himself on the hot seat.
you may not want to acknowledge it, but the title is your's to lose, with Jeff or with Jimbo. You simply have too much talent this year. What you did not have was leadership.
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on August 27, 2007 11:01 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
Cock n Misfire,we are getting off the topic a bit, but the fact of the matter is that Holtz out recruited Tommy every year but one. So, it is not like a great rebuilding job needs to be done.
IF.... and that is a big IF... clemson beats South Carolina this year. then the record against Clemson for Holtz in his first 3 years is 1-2..... and that would be matched by Spurrier.
I was simply pointing out to Kevin that Tommy is on the hot seat because how Clemson finished, not becasue South Carolina won a divisonal title, conference title or national title.Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 27, 2007 11:15 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey CUTotalTiger...You are misquoting me. I never said he was going to lead Mississippi State to the National Title or a winning record. This is my thinking and my thinking only. When a new coach is hired he has the former coach players to deal with and old way of doing things. All I am saying is give a new coach 5 years because THEN he will have all HIS RECRUITS in his system. Now he has no ifs, ands, or buts!
1st_and_NOLE
posted on August 27, 2007 11:26 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse? said:
CUTotalTiger #20:
Should FSU lose (it's a very real possibility) I don't think BB would be on the hot seat. Why?
#1: One loss won't put BB on the hot seat (no matter who it's too). After all, to be frank, he's lost 3 NCs and those didn't cost him his job.
#2: It's a very real possibility FSU can lose. Clemson is a solid team and playing @ Death Valley is tough. Would anyone be totally shocked if FSU stumbled in that game? I doubt it.
BB won't be in the hot seat unless something drastic happens. Plus, it's important to note, the "hot seat" for BB is different then for other coaches. For most coaches the "hot seat" means you're going to get fired. For BB the "hot seat" means he gets e-mails from upset people. That's easy enough, e-mails are easily deleted.
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on August 28, 2007 12:17 AM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
Lenny,
do not see where i misquoted you. But if i did i am sorry. after three years he is 9-25 and if he can not muster a six win season this year then you have the wrong man. these are his players playing now. Six wins is not too much to ask when you Tulane, Garner Webb and UAB on the slate. I just think Miss. State hired the wrong man.
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on August 28, 2007 12:25 AM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
1st and Nole.... some good points. But certainly a loss to Clemson could have the players guessing themselves again. Most of the Nole fans on this blog and in general have accepted their place as conference champs by virtue of the new coaching staff.
But you are correct.... no one is going to fire Bobby... the heat may be so intense that he elects to step down... like his son.
But everything i am hearing from Death Valley is that Clemson has no quarterback this year. the talented freshman is not ready and the Harper has no arm. TB could be helping POP in 2008.IBleedOrange said:
posted on August 28, 2007 12:38 PM — 71.52.46.154 — link — abuse?
I like how the sports writers like to put Fulmer on the Hot Seat every year when his job really isn't in jeopordy. He's a great coach and a great recruiter with great assistants, and I think that sentiment is shared by the majority of our educated UT fans.
As far as other coaches in the SEC that I think should be on the hot seat, I'd say Croom, Orgeron, and Nutt should all be worried.
CUTotalTiger is right when he says, "Croom may be the worst coach in college football." Forget the rocord and just watch him during a game. He doesn't coach. He doesn't say a word to anyone. He shows no emotion. He doesn't get in his players' ears or yell at them when they're out of position or ANYTHING!! He just stands around like he won a contest to watch the game from the sideline.
Lennie -
Can you refute that??
Zac said:
posted on August 28, 2007 1:44 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
College football is sadly all about the money. Success on the field, success in recruiting, success in individual performance (Butkis, Heisman, Rimington, etc.), success in establishing the right schedule against the right teams, success in making the most of your fan base = Big Bucks!!!
So, a coach comes along, establishes his staff, recruits within the limits of his program and begins his carrier with 3 loosing seasons. OTD!!!
So, a famed coach who’s won a NC at 3 different programs in 3 different conferences comes along. He does what he’s always done, except his 1st 3 seasons don’t go so well. PYB’s!!! Similar things have happened (are happening) with formerly successful NFL coaches.
These 2 examples are bad enough. But when a coach comes into a place and builds something decent; i.e. 8, 9, 10 win seasons where 4,5,6 win seasons used to be, and he gets sent packing, something’s wrong. I also think it’s wrong, when an obviously good coach has a long streak of excellence followed by a couple of down years, and he’s kicked out. Then, there’s this ideology that if a coach should be fired because his team seems to have some bad luck against another team, despite 9, 10, & 11 win seasons. That’s absolutely ludicrous. Suppose FL lost to Auburn for the past 15 years. Do you think that would really make a difference to Gator fans now???
Too many college football fans don’t have their priorities straight. Too many of them are in positions of power, where-by the can have too much influence on a condition or an individual. (Consider AL & Auburn.) As a result, all too often, a decent individual isn’t really given the chance they deserve to do what they love the most. If you’re in the position to judge or influence, put yourself in their shoes, and imagine what that must feel like. Just a thought.
hokie4life said:
posted on August 28, 2007 3:32 PM — 216.89.164.100 — link — abuse?
I personally don't think Groh is on the bubble at UVA. UVA is a whole lot like Duke when it comes to who they let come to school there. Academics remains the top priority at these schools I think. Although VT is a great Engineering school, I think it's harder to get in to UVA than VT. Most of the top football recruits in the state of Virginia choose VT over UVA. I think that's why VT pretty much owns UVA on the gridiron. How bout that Virginia Lacross though, pretty darn good.
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on August 28, 2007 7:33 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
Hokie4Life... i would put UVA ahead of Duke.. but i understand the jab, being a Hokie fan. I tend to disagree, Groh needs to win. Groh has been able to recruit quite well, but keeping the kids in school and getting them qualified has been a huge problem.
How about Beamer's son to replace Groh at UVA if Groh does not get the job done this year? Another father/son match up; but it will be just a tad more intense than the FSU/Clemson game.Tomcat said:
posted on August 28, 2007 8:24 PM — 207.193.30.194 — link — abuse?
Hey Guys correction to my post #4, Sorry guys the UT vs BU game is in Waco this year,I ought to know that since I went to the game in Austin last year-sorry guys must of had some kinda memory lapse or something.
Zac I enjoyed reading your post, however I'm not familiar with all the abreviations. Took me a long time to figure out BTW and FYI.
I understand OBC old ball coach WTF is OTD and PYB?? gotta kinda HMO on this BS.
Let me ask yall this, how long should a guy be given to establish his program 5 Yrs?
Hookem-Horns
Sicem-Bears beat the FrogsCUTotalTiger said:
posted on August 28, 2007 8:42 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
Tomcat,
i suppose it depends on the level of expectation at the school. It also depends on the AD and supporters
For instance, Ted Roof is in his fifth year at Duke. he is 5-34 and no one at Rivals has him on the hot seat. From a fan and alumni standpoint, there are no expectations.
Another example would be the coach who does not win big, but graduates players and is well liked by the fans and administation. He will take his team to bowls every year or so and people are happy. Chan Gailey is a good example. Every so often he is going to have a pretty good team and the Jackets are always competitive.
Then there are fans at most places. They think they can win a conference title every year!! And when this does not happen, the fans turn on the coaches. After all, fans know best.Zac said:
posted on August 28, 2007 10:19 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
This one's for you Tomcat. Tell me if you recognize it.
LBJ took the IRT down to 4th St USA. When he got there what did he see? The youth of America on LSD. LBJ, IRT, USA, LSD. LSD, LBJ, FBI, CIA. FBI, CIA, LSD, Eh-heh-hell Bee-he-he Jaaaaaaaaaay.
Sorry about the other acronyms. I'm all to used to using them at the Nuke plant. What with DWST, REC, TEC, SCST, DG's, RWCU, ODAM, et. al. It's too easy to get into the habit. Those two OTD & PYB were favorites when I was on staff at BSA camp. We had a camp director who loved (coincidently) firing acronyms. OTD = Out the door; PYB = Pack your bags.
And now, onto football. Hokie4Life, there's no question; Groh has to have a big season. I have a lot of friends in Charlotte, Roanoke, and Norfolk, and VA Beach who are UVA fans and can't stand the guy. They wanted him gone 2 years ago. If this is even so much as a mediocre year, expect them to send him packing.
Tampa Hurricane
posted on August 29, 2007 10:05 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse? said:
CUTotalTiger, it doesn't matter if Zook goes 4-8, he will not be fired this year. Even with his terrible record, the people up at Illinois are happy with him as a coach. I grew up in ILlinois and have friends that still live up there and went to U of I, and there is no discussion of any discontent with Zook as their coach. They realize that he had terrible players when he first started and are going to give him time to build a better team with his great recruiting.
cock'n'fire south carolina 101 said:
posted on August 29, 2007 4:38 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
post 40,
mississippi state used to be really good, there are coaches that can win at mississippi state like how south carolina got steve spurrier, but sylvester croom isnt gonna do crap, when he was being interviewed be4 halftime last yeer in the opener, after his team was bein shut out and just completely dominated he was starting to say stuff about them having a better team and coming back and then got shut out the second half too, i mean thats really funny that he thought he could actually beat south carolina after the performance he saw
Tomcat said:
posted on August 29, 2007 7:11 PM — 207.193.30.194 — link — abuse?
Zac Thanks for the info. I really dont know too much about UVA your probably right.
C-Dogg Didnt Jackie Sherrill win at Miss St.
#37 CUTiger Ya I guess some places the expectations are alot higher than others.
The competetion levels in some leagues make it almost impossible to go undefeated and there are alot of really good teams that finish 9-4 and 8-5 like Texas A&M and Nebraska. At Texas a 10-3 season is considered a disapointing season.
For a coach in Div-IA football your always just one or two games away from the hot seat.
Sicem-Bears beat the FrogsCUTotaTiger said:
posted on August 29, 2007 10:41 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane, if Zook goes 4-8 this year at Illinoois and he is not placed on the "hot" seat; then the University of Illinois does not care about football. Certainly another losing season would make the natives restless.
Tomcat said:
posted on August 30, 2007 12:55 AM — 70.245.221.91 — link — abuse?
Yes c-dogg He did well at Texas A&M too. Had a winning record against his biggest rivals Texas and Ole Miss.Both Teams were placed on probation by NCAA- Ya he recruited very well-also knew his opponents weaknesses and played against them, very savy CFB coach.
I saw some of coach Croom's press conference and he sounded very positive.Opening the season against LSU is a very demanding test of his teams abilities. I really dont know much about coach Croom and wish him well. It takes time to develop a program and his team is competeing against some of the best in the nation.
Sicem-Bears beat the Frogs
Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 30, 2007 12:29 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey c-dogg I strongly disagree. Yes, Mississippi did win under Jackie Sherrill but I believed the last 2 years Jackie was at Mississippi they were losing seasons and facing NCAA violations. I believed he resigned because rumor had it he was going to get fired! Remember Jackie Sherrill left Texas A&M under similar situations.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 30, 2007 11:16 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey...after seeing Mississippi State play against LSU. I guess I was wrong. Croom will be gone at the end of the year. 2 shutouts at home and on national tv, he gone! I guess he should have thank Jackie while he was on the sideline talkin'. The state of Mississippi is down in football this year, AGAIN!
Dr. J. said:
posted on August 31, 2007 4:41 PM — 68.155.69.32 — link — abuse?
I don't think Sly Croome is a bad coach; he just doesn't have anything to work with. Why would a kid go to Starkville to play ball. Certainly not for the acedemics. Mississippi State has a tradition of loosing. Sure they had a few good years with Jackie Sherrell and Emery Bellard. For the most part, they have a tradition of being doormats. For years they didn't even have a mascot. They were known as the "maroons." What's a maroon?
Tomcat said:
posted on August 31, 2007 7:17 PM — 69.148.173.234 — link — abuse?
When you look at this so-called hot seat list you will find some simularities. Particularly
Ole Miss
Miss St
Baylor
These teams are competeing in the toughest leagues in the country against top 25 opponents and in many cases top 10.
#54 Lennie good point about recruiting and now with Miles, Saban and Spurrier in the SEC.It makes it tougher for the Mississipi schools to compete at the same level. Same thing for coach Morris at Baylor.There are alot of great recruits in Texas just look at the UT, OU , Texas A&M and Ok st rosters.Even LSU and Neb recruit heavily in Texas not to mention the other Texas schools TTech,Houston & TCU. TCU has had alot of success in recent years playing in non-BCS conferences. Alot of kids would rather play for a winning program as opposed to a team with 4-8 record.
I liked what I saw from Miss St last night, they have a good team.When looking at their schedule it doesnt look too favoritable, simular to Baylor's situation. Coah Morris is a good coach and he has had success at KY, he has some great Assistant coaches and BU is a great school.
The Bears play TCU in Ft Worth, OU in Norman, Texas A&M in Aggieland, thats 3 ranked teams on the road, they also play UT, OK st and TTech.
Kinda Hard to establish a winning record with that type of competition. The same could be said for Ole Miss and Miss St.vs LSU,Tenn,Ark Etc
Sicem Bears-Beat the FrogsLennie Collins said:
posted on August 31, 2007 7:28 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Tomcat just remember you do not go to Baylor if you want to play in the NFL! I do not know when but Baylor will lower their standards for enrollment to get the players they need to play against OU, ut, and so forth. I hope they don't but they will!
C Tiger said:
posted on September 4, 2007 10:45 AM — 75.120.236.166 — link — abuse?
What you said sounded really good until you destroyed your credibility by predicting a Clemson loss.
Shame on you!
1st_and_NOLE said:
"Due to OBC being @ SC I'd figure TB would be much higher on the list. Especially after how Clemson finished (losing to SC & KY). It won't take much for TB to lose his job.
Unfortunately for TB, him losing on Labor Day won't help his cause."
aubie said:
posted on September 4, 2007 10:52 AM — 75.120.236.166 — link — abuse?
Good recruiter or not, who in their right mind would want to live and play football in Mississippi?
c-dogg said:
posted on August 29, 2007 11:32 PM"Yes Jackie Sherrill won @ M.State. I didn't forget. Let's not forget that Coach Sherrill was a good recruiter. Coach Croom is not. Thus, he was doomed at his press conference."
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 4, 2007 2:36 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey aubie...Mississippi is a beautiful state. I was born there but now live in Austin, Texas. I returned there in 2004 for the first time in 27 years and was amazed at some of the (racial) changes there. Mississippi, Mississippi State, and Southern Mississippi can be good teams. It will take a while but I believe they will be good tems in the future!
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 4, 2007 2:36 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey aubie...Mississippi is a beautiful state. I was born there but now live in Austin, Texas. I returned there in 2004 for the first time in 27 years and was amazed at some of the (racial) changes there. Mississippi, Mississippi State, and Southern Mississippi can be good teams. It will take a while but I believe they will be good tems in the future!
gatorhippy
posted on September 20, 2007 8:26 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse? said:
C Tiger (#61):
Good point...
There was ALOT of trash talk from some Noles on this board all summer long about how good they were going to be...
Quoting and regurgitating all the crap they were fed from their new coaches on how things were "more intense" in practice and how their O-line was vastly improved...
But it would seem much hasn't changed in Tally right now...
Maybe worse since we're now hearing about Fagg taking plays off...
The line can't seem to block anybody...
At least the defense finally showed up...
Or did it...
Haven't seen Seminole Nation latley...
Wonder if he is still "guaranteeing" a vastly different outcome in Gainesville this year when the Noles visit...
Swampthang41 said:
posted on September 20, 2007 8:22 PM — 138.163.160.42 — link — abuse?
cock'n'fire south carolina 101,,Post 42,,I think comparing Croom To Spurrier, is a poor example. First of all, Spurrier has a history of winning, he is a great recruiter, he is established. You stated that Mississippi was go at one time,,,,When, maybe 30 plus years ago. South Carolina is a fairly fertile recruiting ground, plus Spurrier has ties to alot of Florida High Scools for recruiting. Good High School QB's, and recievers know that Spurrier is going to air it out. There are alot of well established coaches that are very good, but the programs stuck with them, and they eventually turned the program around. I am not debating wether Croom is good or not, but some AD's and fans want instant success, when their school is not set up for success. Spurrier had to make some big changes to the facility when he got there. At the moment I just can't see a 5 star recruit going to Miss, and it's not Croom's fault. There are alot of programs like this. Success breed success, lot at the current top 20 teams, and most has a fairly good history of winning, and these are the teams that 5 star recruite look for.
Swampthang41 said:
posted on September 20, 2007 8:25 PM — 138.163.160.42 — link — abuse?
cock'n'fire south carolina 101,,Post 42,,I think comparing Croom To Spurrier, is a poor example. First of all, Spurrier has a history of winning, he is a great recruiter, he is established. You stated that Mississippi was go at one time,,,,When, maybe 30 plus years ago. South Carolina is a fairly fertile recruiting ground, plus Spurrier has ties to alot of Florida High Scools for recruiting. Good High School QB's, and recievers know that Spurrier is going to air it out. There are alot of well established coaches that are very good, but the programs stuck with them, and they eventually turned the program around. I am not debating wether Croom is good or not, but some AD's and fans want instant success, when their school is not set up for success. Spurrier had to make some big changes to the facility when he got there. At the moment I just can't see a 5 star recruit going to Miss, and it's not Croom's fault. There are alot of programs like this. Success breed success, lot at the current top 20 teams, and most has a fairly good history of winning, and these are the teams that 5 star recruite look for.
Swampthang41 said:
posted on September 20, 2007 8:59 PM — 138.163.160.44 — link — abuse?
cock'n'fire south carolina 101,,Post 42,,I think comparing Croom To Spurrier, is a poor example. First of all, Spurrier has a history of winning, he is a great recruiter, he is established. You stated that Mississippi was go at one time,,,,When, maybe 30 plus years ago. South Carolina is a fairly fertile recruiting ground, plus Spurrier has ties to alot of Florida High Scools for recruiting. Good High School QB's, and recievers know that Spurrier is going to air it out. There are alot of well established coaches that are very good, but the programs stuck with them, and they eventually turned the program around. I am not debating wether Croom is good or not, but some AD's and fans want instant success, when their school is not set up for success. Spurrier had to make some big changes to the facility when he got there. At the moment I just can't see a 5 star recruit going to Miss, and it's not Croom's fault. There are alot of programs like this. Success breed success, lot at the current top 20 teams, and most has a fairly good history of winning, and these are the teams that 5 star recruite look for.
1st_and_NOLE
said:
posted on August 27, 2007 6:43 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?Due to OBC being @ SC I'd figure TB would be much higher on the list. Especially after how Clemson finished (losing to SC & KY). It won't take much for TB to lose his job.
Unfortunately for TB, him losing on Labor Day won't help his cause.