September 10, 2007
Week 2 College Football Polls
College football polls for week 2 (ending September 10, 2007)
Associated Press College Football Top 25 Poll
1 Southern Cal (40) 1-0 1594 1 at Nebraska (2-0)
2 LSU (25) 2-0 1582 2 vs. Middle Tenn. (0-2)
3 Oklahoma 2-0 1418 5 vs. Utah State (0-2)
4 West Virginia 2-0 1408 3 at Maryland (2-0)
5 Florida 2-0 1370 4 vs. Tennessee (1-1)
6 Texas 2-0 1290 7 at UCF (1-0)
7 Wisconsin 2-0 1171 5 vs. The Citadel (2-0)
8 California 2-0 1126 10 vs. Louisiana Tech (1-1)
9 Louisville 2-0 1097 8 at Kentucky (2-0)
10 Ohio State 2-0 962 12 at Washington (2-0)
11 UCLA 2-0 910 13 at Utah (0-2)
12 Penn State 2-0 896 14 vs. Buffalo (1-1)
13 Rutgers 2-0 820 15 vs. Norfolk St. (1-0)
14 Nebraska 2-0 693 16 vs. Southern Cal (1-0)
15 Georgia Tech 2-0 590 21 vs. Boston College (2-0)
16 Arkansas 1-0 537 18 at Alabama (2-0)
17 South Carolina 2-0 477 33 vs. South Carolina St. (1-1)
18 Virginia Tech 1-1 382 9 vs. Ohio (2-0)
19 Oregon 2-0 367 29 vs. Fresno State (1-1)
20 Clemson 2-0 349 25 vs. Furman (1-1)
21 Boston College 2-0 323 26 at Georgia Tech (2-0)
22 Tennessee 1-1 284 24 at Florida (2-0)
23 Georgia 1-1 261 11 vs. Western Carolina (0-2)
24 Hawaii 2-0 247 20 at UNLV (1-1)
25 Texas A&M 2-0 243 23 vs. La.-Monroe (0-2)
USA Today Coaches Football Top 25 Poll
1 Southern Cal (42) 1-0 1476 1 at Nebraska (2-0)
2 LSU (11) 2-0 1437 2 vs. Middle Tenn. (0-2)
3 Florida (7) 2-0 1353 3 vs. Tennessee (1-1)
4 West Virginia 2-0 1269 4 at Maryland (2-0)
5 Oklahoma 2-0 1264 6 vs. Utah State (0-2)
6 Texas 2-0 1156 7 at UCF (1-0)
7 Wisconsin 2-0 1141 5 vs. The Citadel (2-0)
8 California 2-0 1038 10 vs. Louisiana Tech (1-1)
9 Louisville 2-0 1020 8 at Kentucky (2-0)
10 Ohio State 2-0 972 11 at Washington (2-0)
11 UCLA 2-0 837 14 at Utah (0-2)
12 Penn State 2-0 804 15 vs. Buffalo (1-1)
13 Rutgers 2-0 699 16 vs. Norfolk St. (1-0)
14 Nebraska 2-0 677 17 vs. Southern Cal (1-0)
15 Georgia Tech 2-0 582 21 vs. Boston College (2-0)
16 Arkansas 1-0 493 18 at Alabama (2-0)
17 Virginia Tech 1-1 371 9 vs. Ohio (2-0)
18 Texas A&M 2-0 325 23 vs. La.-Monroe (0-2)
19 Boston College 2-0 315 25 at Georgia Tech (2-0)
20 Clemson 2-0 311 26 vs. Furman (1-1)
21 Oregon 2-0 309 30 vs. Fresno State (1-1)
22 Hawaii 2-0 308 22 at UNLV (1-1)
23 South Carolina 2-0 294 31 vs. South Carolina St. (1-1)
24 Tennessee 1-1 237 24 at Florida (2-0)
25 Georgia 1-1 199 12 vs. Western Carolina (0-2)
Comments:
1st_and_NOLE
posted on September 10, 2007 8:54 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
said:
I think early on teams should be moved up and down accordingly.
USC may very well be the best team in the country, but they haven't done anything to EARN the #1 ranking on the football field. The #1 ranking was GIVEN to USC due to their talent ON PAPER.
However, last weekend LSU flat out EARNED the #1 spot ON THE FIELD. They completely destroyed a top 10 team and the #1 defense the past two years running.
#1 LSU
#2 OU
#3 USCNow if USC destroys Neb, I say move them up to #2. I think early on teams should move based on what they've done to date on the football field, not on paper.
Demille said:
posted on September 10, 2007 9:14 PM — 63.246.174.180 — link — abuse?
The polls are weekly and voted weekly, yes LSU did their job and should be #1, this is no slight on USC, it is how polls should work. USC is off, so what, LSU was playing a top ten team, POLLS are what you did this week!!!
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on September 10, 2007 9:57 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
Little Cock and mis-fire,
Curious why would you say Clemson is not deserving of their ranking. One could easily make the argument that the Shamecocks win over Georgia was an upset and could not happen again. Then when one looks at the stats and sees that Geogia had more rushing yards and passing yards; you realize that South Carolina is over ranked.
The Georgia quarterback missed open receivers THREE times for touchdowns. Keep it up Cock and Misfire, you scored 16 points against Georgia and 28 against La. Lafayette. I do not suppose those numbers are going to get it done against teams that can score.... say LSU. And I have seen your 31-17 prediciton of a Shamecock victory at LSU I am just surprised the LSU folks have not started to make fun of you.Seminole Jack said:
posted on September 10, 2007 10:26 PM — 71.226.133.103 — link — abuse?
This is my big beef with the polls. The polls should come out about week 3 or 4 when the voters have had a chance to look at the teams a little bit.
The preseason rankings are half guessing and are half based upon the past performance of teams. But for some reason about week 2 or 3 of the season, the preseason rankings of teams near the top become set in stone as long as no one loses. How can they explain that.
Now I think that USC has amazing talent and may be the best team when all is said and done, but at this point in the season LSU has a better body of work than anyone in the country. If USC is truly a better team they will rise to the occassion and climb over LSU. THE POLLS SHOULD BE BASED UPON WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, NOT WHAT THE POLLSTERS THINK YOU WILL DO LATER IN THE SEASON!!
Seminole Jack said:
posted on September 10, 2007 10:27 PM — 71.226.133.103 — link — abuse?
This is my big beef with the polls. The polls should come out about week 3 or 4 when the voters have had a chance to look at the teams a little bit.
The preseason rankings are half guessing and are half based upon the past performance of teams. But for some reason about week 2 or 3 of the season, the preseason rankings of teams near the top become set in stone as long as no one loses. How can they explain that.
Now I think that USC has amazing talent and may be the best team when all is said and done, but at this point in the season LSU has a better body of work than anyone in the country. If USC is truly a better team they will rise to the occassion and climb over LSU. THE POLLS SHOULD BE BASED UPON WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, NOT WHAT THE POLLSTERS THINK YOU WILL DO LATER IN THE SEASON!!
David said:
posted on September 10, 2007 10:45 PM — 66.69.219.144 — link — abuse?
Things that I disagree with:
1. Texas A&M at 18th in the Coaches Poll
They barely beat Fresno St. in triple overtime yet they moved up a bunch of spots...
2. Oklahoma at 3 in the AP poll
They played North Texas who was using a basic high school offense and Miami who is more of a name than a real program. Who exactly have they beaten that makes them deserve to shoot up so much? They started somewhere around 7th...
3. Texas at 6 in both polls
I understand why we were dropped last week and had no problem with it. We proved we deserved to be where we were ranked at the beginning of the season after the TCU game. Put us back where we belong!
Tomcat said:
posted on September 10, 2007 10:54 PM — 69.148.173.234 — link — abuse?
#1 Kev Ya your right. I was surprized that TCU fell out after a good game in Austin. I was also surprized that Hawaii gave up over 40 points to La Tech and didnt drop.
Really impressed with Oregon and Washington.
Next week the Louisville vs Kentucky
G Tech vs Boston C
Akansas vs Alabama
USC vs Neb
Tenn vs Fla
OSU vs Wash
After these games the polls will change
Louisville at Kentucky ---Wildcats
They are at home, defense is probably better than Mid Tenn and they have a good QB as well.Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 10, 2007 11:08 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey David...here are some facts for ya! ut opened their 2006 season with 'em. Where UNT better than or worse now? ut opened up their 2007 season with Arkansas State which is in the same conference as UNT. Does that make Arkansas Stae better or UNT worse? ut struggled against ASU in their season opener and OU had no real scare. Does this make ASU better or UNT worse? OU has been consistant in their 2 games even if the ooponents were unranked. If I am ot mistaken some ut fans stated that Miami was gone give OU a game. Where they wrong or stupid? ut plays well for 2 quarters so does that make them better than LSU, OU, or West Virginia? Think before you response!
David said:
posted on September 10, 2007 11:42 PM — 66.69.219.144 — link — abuse?
Lennie you need to learn how to make a point because there are none in either of your posts. Apparently the OU extension course you took didn't teach that.
I know UT played UNT last year... I was at the game... Texas blew them out like y'all did. We didn't move up in the rankings above Ohio State after the game and UNT was a lot better last year than they are this year. They are in a transition stage with their new coach and they were running one defense the entire game which is a high school defense (My above post should say defense instead of offense).
Just to show you how bad UNT is, they lost to SMU this week 45-31. This is the same SMU that struggled to score 9 against a pretty bad Tech defense and gave up 49 to Tech.
Just because UNT and Arkansas State are in the same conference doesn't make them equal. That's like saying Texas and Iowa State are equally challenging opponents.
I do not disagree that Oklahoma has been consistent (with an e) in their 2 games but that's just further proving my point. They have done nothing to show that they should jump all these teams they have jumped. Some UT fans did think Miami would give OU a better game than they did but I don't think anyone kidded themselves that their offense could do much against OU's defense.
You are being overly defensive and anti-Texas (which isn't surprising from a Sooner). I think y'all have a pretty good team this year and will give us all we can handle at the Cotton Bowl but I just don't agree with the amount y'all have jumped up in the polls. You jumped 2 spots after beating a horrible North Texas team, and then another 2 spots after beating Miami. I don't see how you can claim OU is the 3rd best team in the nation 2 weeks after claiming they were the 7th best team in the nation without really proving anything.
My beef with Texas' ranking is that we dropped (and deservedly so) after not playing a great game against Arkansas State because it raised some question. Both our defense and offense dominated top 20 TCU and I think that we deserve to be back where we started (4th) because we answered all those questions. If you think we only played 1 good half, you didn't watch the game or look at the box score.
Let's not forget OU lost to TCU a few years ago...
My top 5 would be:
1. LSU (VTech was overrated but they still look great)
2. USC (If they blow out Nebraska they might deserve #1)
3. WVU (Not sure I think they're the 3rd best team in the country but their chance of going undefeated is pretty high)
4. Texas
5. OUThe point is moot because it will all be decided on October 6th
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 10, 2007 11:54 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah...When no one bows down to worship ut then they are considered foolish. I don't like ut because the university, teams, and fans think everyone should do what they are doing to praise them. You still did not answer all my question because you can't. Your arguement about the polls are just as foolish. ut fans can't handle the truth. We played 2 good quarters of football all season so far we should be #1. What is moot? When ut gets beat by OU please go away for another 36 years please.
Tomcat said:
posted on September 11, 2007 12:15 AM — 69.148.173.234 — link — abuse?
Polls really dont mean much at this point of the season just ask Michigan.
Right now UT 2-0
OU 2-0
After the Red River Shootout the OU fans can cry again after loosing to a far inferior underanked UT team.Or will OU pull off an upset over the far superior Horns. Kinda doubt it
Talk noise after you defeat a top 20 opponent like UT
Hookem-HornsLennie collins said:
posted on September 11, 2007 12:34 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
ut fans keep contradicting themselves. I noticed some are saying preseason or polls don't mean anything yet they are talking junk about beating TCU which was ranked #19 by the polls. Which is it silly ut fans, do they mean sumethin or not?
cock'n'fire south carolina 101 said:
posted on September 11, 2007 1:25 AM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
ok mr total tiger
im ok with u calling me cock n misfire, but making fun of my name the little cock and prefire crap like that doesnt sound very cool so just stick with cock and misfire or just say cock and fire or even if u feel like calling me my real name just call me seth but this is starting to get weird...now getting to what i was gonna say, did u even read the comments i was posting about the predictions...spurrier isnt playing with his maximum effort yet on purpose...you know what a spurrier coach team looks like and that was not it...spurrier is more of an offensive guy and so far all weve been showing is speed on our defense and a few good plays on offense nothing big...and those 3 missed passes were because of extremely nice play on defense...captain munnerlyn who no doubt will be an all american next year broke up 2 of those and zone passes where one he jumped above the georgia receive and smacked that ball right out of his face and another he hit the guy so hard the ball got knocked out of his hands and another 2 passes that werent to the endzone HE ACTUALLY DROPPED THE INTERCEPTION so they were more intended to him than the georgia receiver and the last end zone catch was an executed defensive play by carlos thomas who left the feild limping after it...so they didnt drop those it was the defense that executed in those plays...our defense stopped them everywhere so u cant say they messed up anywhere however they did get some good completions but we still didnt let them score a touchdown so our defense dominated...and last thing i have to say about the domination did u see how badly we executed on reading the trick play georgia tried...they were lucky to get the ball thrown away before a HUGE 40 yard sack...if u have the chance look over our games again and ull notice what steve spurrier was trying to do...he knows what hes doing and i think hes going to start coaching to his maximum potential come time to play LSU...so that is why i predicted a 33-10 win over sc statet and a 31-17 win over LSU...south carolina has a really good team this year and on september 22nd all the cards will be put on the table and youll see exactly whats going on with our team
and clemson doesnt deserve that spot because look at how crappy of a team florida state had and that win against LA monroe wasnt too impressive either
and the gamecocks deserve the spot they have because be beat #11 georgia who had already proved themselves of being worthy of the spot by beating oklahoma state
if clemson loses to furman i am going to be laughing so hard at all my clemson friends at skool
probly wont happen but im pulling for furmam this year as i am a paladin fan behind the gamecocks...but next yeer we play furman and i wont be a paladin fan that game
GO COCKS!(2-0) and GO CHARGERS!(1-0)
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 11, 2007 1:43 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
FACT is the majority of voters feel OU is the better team right now. So ut fans cry, whine, lie, call names, make fun, bring up the past, moan, complain, commit suicide, whatever! We will all see who is better HEAD ta HEAD on 10/06.
Tomcat said:
posted on September 11, 2007 3:28 AM — 69.148.173.234 — link — abuse?
#25 Hey Lennie I was refering to UT as top 20 team.Putting a whuping on N Tex and UM aint the same. After another defeat in Dallas then yall can talk noise, complain about the refs whatever.
Texas owns Oklahoma always has and always will.
You know Texas is superior, thats why the Okies hate the Horns so much.
#27 Who cares what the voters think, yall still havent beaten UT.Are these the same voters that had Mich #3? Looks like another victory for UT
Lennie I'm looking foward to a three-peat 10/6/07
Hookem-Horns
OU suxOU Fan said:
posted on September 11, 2007 8:13 AM — 139.139.51.70 — link — abuse?
Tomcat post #28, I noticed that you do not like to give credit where credit is due. But before I get to that, first I want to state that I've noticed in the past that you enjoy seeing the Aggies win. Well, I got news for you bud, but I think Miami will stomp Texas A&M. ATM is struggling and they will not be able to beat a pissed off Miami Hurricane team. Now, in your post #28 you said "Texas owns Oklahoma always has and always will." "What the hell does that have to do with how well OU is playing football so far? If thats your state of mind, Oklahoma has more Conference Championships, National championships, Heisman trophy winners, and owns the current longest winning streak in college football, always have and always will. Tomcat, on your post #23 you keep stating that Texas is a far superior team than Oklahoma, but how do you figure? Texas has looked like absolute crap these past 2 games, while the Sooners have exceeded expectations. Just look at Sam Bradford's stats, and this guy is only a freshman. Tomcat, those are pretty impressive stats for a freshman who has only played 2 games. Now in my opinion about this upcoming RRS, I think Sooners offensive line will keep the Longhorn D-line in check. I also think McCoy, Sweed, Cosby, and the Texas offense will struggly against a strong Oklahoma defense. Texas will not be able to establish a running game against Oklahoma, so you will get to see McCoy throw a lot of interceptions. And I almost forgot, the Sooners offense will make a joke out of the Texas defense. Tomcat, I know you can't stand it, but I think Oklahoma has the better team. Deal with it. BOOMER SOONER!
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 11, 2007 9:18 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Ou FAN...Why do you try to talk facts with ut fans? Talking facts to some ut fans is like trying to get a drug addict to admit that he or she has an addiction! I gave Bobby, Bevo Boy, and Tomcat some credit before about giving some facts but now that texas has beaten TCU I knew the non sense talk would come out again. Bobby is probably the only one so far that hasn't talked so much junk. Before the season started Sam Bradford was not given a chance to play his first game before he was already being compared to Cult McCoy. Fact is that his first two freshman starts where excellent compared to Cult McCoy. The ut fans can't say much except the teams he played against were no good. Fact, Cult McCoy first start was against North Texas. North Texas is not a good team. Okay, were they a good team in 2006 against ut then? FACT, ut fans bragged that Miami DEFENSE was gone bring Sam Bradford back down to reality. In order for that to have happen Miami had to have a good team, correct? When it did not happen, Miami was not a good team. This David fellow argues that the polls don't mean anything cause of Michigan BUT that same poll put TCU at #19. So which is it? You cannot used the polls to say that a team is overrated then in the same sentence say that it is good to show that a team is good. Tomcat, I knew it would not take long for you return to your silly ranting. ut has beaten OU 18 more times, yeah they own 'em alright! OU biggest margin of victory is 52 points over ut and ut biggest margin of victory is 33 points, okay they own 'em. Most ut fans again have shown me that they are arrogant and the ranting that they should be ranked #3 are higher just proved that! The team played two good quarters of football and should be the team to beat now. ut fans you all should thank Notre Dame fans because if it was not for them you guys would have my vote for the most arrogant and rude fans!
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 11, 2007 9:25 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Nolen 1999...just for the record, state facts and your favorite team. ut fans think that there is a conspiracy to keep 'em down. They should be ranked #3 cause they played a solid half of football against TCU. I noticed they like to use history to discredit an OU win. Fact, TCU has not won in Austin since 1967. TCU has never played that great against texas even when they were in that joke of a conference called the Southwest. Hey does Kansas State own ut, Tomcat? Does Ohi State own 'em. How about Vanderbilt?
scott51 said:
posted on September 11, 2007 9:32 AM — 74.133.153.234 — link — abuse?
The reason S. Florida didn't make the top 25 this week?
Their performance against Elon to open the season (where, who is Elon?).They'll make it in within the next couple of weeks - and the Big East's resurgence will continue.
GO CARDS!EER10 said:
posted on September 11, 2007 9:34 AM — 129.71.238.252 — link — abuse?
Not really worried about my Mountaineers going to #4. I am more worried about getting pressure on the QB with that three man front in the sorry @$$ 3-3-5 stack ! Should have never got rid of Steve Dunlap in 2000 Rich. We love ya, but Dunlap alwyas had WVU's "D" as a top 5 defense under Nehlen. Sorry, I am done now, had to vent.
Tampa Hurricane
posted on September 11, 2007 9:36 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse? said:
Why should USF be a top 25 team? Look at their first two games, they beat Elon (DI-AA) by only 15 points, and needed overtime to beat a now unranked Auburn team. Are these two performances that scream of a top 25 team? NO!
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 11, 2007 10:03 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Tomcat...I can't speak for Oklahoman or all Oklahoma fans. I don't like ut because their sports teams think that college sports cannot exist with ut. Some of the fans are arrogant such as yourself. Yeah ut is superior to OU. OU have 7 National Titles to ut 4. Yeah you right OU footall should be jealous. OU has more Conference Titles than ut and that includes ut's titles from that inferior conference called the Southwest. Yes, I said it the Southwest Conference was lame. Arkansas bailed on it. SMU and Houston basically are a superior high school still because texas could not stand getting beat by them so they told on 'em. Yeah you right. OU had a lot of distractions last year and still WAS THE BIG 12 CHAMPIONS. If ut was so GREAT why could they not beat Kansas State? Texas A&M? Can you say pop, ouch goes Cult McCoy! When he got P-OPPED did he call his grand-uncle Doctor McCoy? If texas is so much superior than OU why did ut have to go hire Darrell Royall a former OU player has coach? Could you say desparation after getting beat in the 50's by BUD WILKERSON? That is not owning a team Tomcat! OU still own the longest win streak in College football HISTORY, 47! What is ut longest? Sports annoucers outside of Norman are now taking notice of OU and ut fans can't stand it. When the college football world look at other Big 12 teams especially OU, man ut fans can't deal with the attention not directed on ut.
gatorstud said:
posted on September 11, 2007 10:16 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
this weeks game against tenn. should give us a good clue as to where the gators stand.....i can undestand their drop in the poll because of who they have played, and with oklahoma and w.v. winning, it was bound to happen.....but now we get into the "meat" of our schedule.....then it should get interesting....
o.k here goes this weeks games
kentucky over louisville
washington over ohio state
boston coll. over georgia tech
and heres the big one....nebraska @ home over usc...go gators...and hokies
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 11, 2007 10:24 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
I hope USC gets beaten by NU so all this preseason poll talk will go away. Florida will beat Tennessee cause they are playing at home! I hope Washigton beats Ohio State so Ty can say to Notre Dame fans, alumni, boosters, and coaching staff: "How ya like me now, chumps!".
Cane Mutiny
posted on September 11, 2007 10:28 AM — 65.12.247.141 — link — abuse? said:
Do the Texas fans really think that beating TCU is more impressive than beating Miami? I give credit where credit is due - Oklahoma killed the Canes, and that performance made me feel they deserved AT LEAST the number 3 spot. The Sooners made a very talented Miami defense look bad - that's way better than beating Texas Christian, no matter how hyped the TCU-over-Texas-upset-special was. Oklahoma looks championship caliber, I'd give them the #2 spot after LSU, and let USC prove to me that they're worthy of being in the top 2. Texas fans, if you can even come close to beating Oklahoma, then we'll see.
..It's great to be a Miami Hurricane..
Bobby said:
posted on September 11, 2007 10:50 AM — 146.6.158.10 — link — abuse?
Cock n Fire I gotta say I disagree with you on your Clemson post. You seem to have more of just a general dislike for Clemson than them actually being overrated. EVERY team or top team has not played completely up to par during one of their two games, except ou as far as I can tell. FSU was a good win, not as much pizzazz on offense but had one of the better defenses in college football. Towards the end of the game it started getting away from them but they stepped up and won. They have a good game with GT in Atlanta, that will probably tell college football fans if Clemson can be in the top 15. They have VT, WF, and BC @ home and a closer @ you Gamecocks. They have a quality schedule. They have good and great players at the skill positions, and a real solid defense. I argue that they could hang with anyone in the country. time will tell... I'm still not completely sold on SC.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 11, 2007 10:53 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Cane Mutiny...are you high? Are you stupid? How dare you talk bad about texas' victory over TCU. So what OU beat Miami. The last time ut played Miami you know that 46-3 beatdown in 1992 ut players had the flu, yeah that's it they had the flu and did not play up to par. Don't you know who we is? WE texas, man. We played the best second half of football than any of the Top 5 teams this year combine. We will play Miami any time as long it is not in the Orange Bowl because there are some shady people livin' round there. Just because our players are getting arrested and acting like thugs does not mean we want to be around thugs. Oh, I forgot Miami will be playing in Dolphin's Stadium next year. Well we can't put Miami on the schedule anyways cause we got a tough schedule already you know Florida Atlantic, the team Miami fought last year cause they were givin' them a game. UTEP, Rice, Arkansas, Central Florida, Mississippi, and UCLA. Man, let me see Miami play that schedule!
Sincerely,
William Mack Brown
P.S. Do you know why this silly Lennie Collins person call me "Whack" Brown?Bobby said:
posted on September 11, 2007 11:20 AM — 146.6.158.10 — link — abuse?
Lennie like i've said before lets not get too ahead of ourselves with Bradford. You made a comment that Bradford has better numbers than McCoy, while that is true I think it's worth looking at who they played. They both played UNT for openers both won, Bradford had the better numbers. Second game Bradford-Miami, little offense to speak of but real good defense, but Miami was unranked, but still quality win for ou and Bradford. McCoy second game #1 Ohio state had a great offense and good defense. Bradford got Miami at home McCoy had Ohio State in Columbus. I think that Bradford looks to be the real deal, IMO ou looks to be as complete as LSU and USC and so deserves it's #3 ranking. My comment was in response to post #22.
jc in SoCAL said:
posted on September 11, 2007 11:20 AM — 208.57.88.168 — link — abuse?
Does anyone else think there is a repeat of the 2003 season brewing? I have no problem with LSU taking the number one spot. I wish the polls were more fluid that allowed teams to move up and down based on a solid performance or a mediocre performance or having a bye week. The preseason poll shouldn't be everyone's starting point and if the people above you don't lose then you can't move up. Also, I think for any team its easier to motivate players that are chasing the number one spot rather than holding onto it. So go ahead and rank USC below LSU and OU. USC will need all the motivation they can handle to get through a PAC-10 that is looking more difficult every week. As long as USC in 1 or 2 on the final poll I am happy. This should be a really good season and may end up with a more compelling argument to add the plus one if USC, OU, LSU, and WVU go undefeated. Very unlikley but the table is setting up that way.
Bobby said:
posted on September 11, 2007 11:47 AM — 146.6.158.10 — link — abuse?
Cane Mutiny, alot of you Canes fans were talking alot of noise before the ou-Miami game about how good Miami was and how the Canes were up and coming. Now look at what your saying now that ou slapped ya'll around for three hours. Now your pissed because you see ou and UT fans are arguing over who was more quality and the best you can do now is side with ou because they kicked your ass and embarassed you in every way. I guess talking Miami football is off the table now? TCU had one of the best defenses in the country and the top ranked rushing defense. Of course UT fans are gonna view our win as a better quality win, and ou fans are gonna think theirs was more quality. All polls had Miami outside of 25 and then some. TCU had to be ranked for some reason. Coaches in college football have taken notice of TCU's defense for some reason ask Steve Spurrier. You pissed Miami lost ..I'd be pissed too. If Texas would have been the one to beat Miami and ou TCU would you be siding with Texas?
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 11, 2007 11:51 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Bobby...WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. That 24 - 7 lost was here in Austin. Ohio State were in the white jerseys and ut was in the burnt orange ones. Last I checked Ohio State wears Scarlet jerseys at home. I am 100% cool that Sam Bradford is going to have ta put up those numbers against ut to get ut fans to acknowlege. There will be an excuse: weather, injuries, bad call(s) I do not know. You yourself said Sam Bradford will not put up Cult McCoy numbers and you were right! They are so far B-E-T-T-E-R! I think ut needs to play another quarterback if they have the chance to beat OU! The next 3 games for OU will not mean anything as far as ut fans are concern! When the polls rank ut high or above OU they are GREAT but when they rank OU above ut they are whack. When the polls say Michigan is good they are whack BUT when the polls say TCU is good then they are gospel. Miami is not the team of the past BUT TCU sure is. They were ranked #1 LAST YEAR against the run. Not this YEAR. The past only means something to validate ut fan claims. Bobby I ain't gots anything against ya' but I am just confused with ut fans way of breakin' down things! I will give you, Bobby, a pat on the back. Out of all the ut fans on this blog, you are probably the coolest and less bias. I can call you a friend. Tomcat can be cool when he wants to. Bevo Boy he's al'ight! David???? Take care, man!
Bobby said:
posted on September 11, 2007 12:11 PM — 146.6.158.10 — link — abuse?
Lennie it's obvious that anything UT sends you into an absolute psychological meltdown. It's hard for people on these threads to take you serious because anywhere anyone mentions Texas and we can expect atleast three long tirades and a letter from Mack Brown to be posted. My ou/UT hate doesn't extend past the Red River Shootout. I don't have a general dislike or hatred for ou players, coaches or fans. David thank you for getting him going this morning.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 11, 2007 12:25 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Bobby call it what you want. Fact, ut fans on this blogs have stated that Miami is not the team from the past which is very true. Even you said that Miami was gone give OU a game. Did you, Bobby, say that because you felt Miami were a good team or you just "went along with da crowd"? Can the same be said about TCU which was great against the run LAST YEAR BUT NOT THIS YEAR? One ut fan stated that the polls had Michigan ranked #5 and Michigan showed that it did not deserve that. Could the same be said about TCU? If I do not get on my knee and praise ut or kiss their behinds then I do not know anything about college football or I sound foolish. I can't stand ut BUT I believe they should be ranked higher than Florida. Did you read where I said that or are you gone focus on my dislike more. DO NOT COMMENT on what I type. Go back to that BLOG about the fool that attacked that man and read some of your comments and other ut fans comments. As I said Bobby before I don't have anything against. But I will be doggone if you think I gone stand by has you play yourself off to be the "Dean Martin" here and me the "Jerry Lewis". Can't let it happen.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 11, 2007 12:31 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Oh and Bobby why is it when someone makes fun of OU IT IS FUNNY? (Check your comments in regards to longhorn posting that picture of the little boy crying before you comment). But if I make fun or anyone else make fun of ut they should not be taken seriously? Questions that wanna make ya say uuuuummmmmm!
Bobby said:
posted on September 11, 2007 12:43 PM — 146.6.158.10 — link — abuse?
Lennie my mistake Colt did have Ohio State at home. You appear IMO completely unable to handle opinions from UT fans. You have to be able to deal with others opinions. Even if you don't agree with them it's still their opinion. So far David is the only UT fan that has said UT should be above ou. And your description of ou fans goes way beyond obsurd. EVERY UT fan I've talked to says the same thing about UT as I do, and you know my opinion well because we've talked at length. I work @ UT and I've never heard any of the blind optimism that you claim ALL UT fans have. You get down right hostile when someone disagress with you or expresses an opinion you don't like. No one on the rivals fanblog goes off more on an oposing team than you on UT. Now i'm pissed because the last thing i wanted to do was talk ut/ou football.
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on September 11, 2007 12:54 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
POST 29 Eye of the Tiger
Beware, Cock and Mis-fire has stated that Spurrier, deliberately almost lost to Georgia, so he could hide his offense. They are going to hang 33 points on you. This is the same team that scored 28 on La. Lafayette. Apparently Cock and Misfire does not think much of teams from the state of Lousianna.
But you should know that, USC/Columbia will be playing next Sundady against the Bills. They are that good!Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 11, 2007 12:55 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Bobby I don't understand what you mean about hostile. I don't hate or dislike you. I definitely don't want ta fight ya. There is too much fighting in the world today, RIGHT NOW! Young against old, Male against Female, Majority against Minority, Rich against Poor, texas against Oklahoma! I guess you have your opinion about me and I have mine about you. But I still have not got the answers to my questions I asked. I guess I am not the only one having a mental meltdown today! I can take the opinions now I want to see answers.
CUTotalTiger said:
posted on September 11, 2007 1:00 PM — 68.59.7.45 — link — abuse?
Gator Stud post 39,
your upset picks....
I do not agree with the KY game. In a rivalry game you can not sneak up on someone. Plus the Cards defense will come to play this week.
I like Washington over Ohio State. Ty has done a good job out there and has the talent.
I am not sure BC over GT is an upset. I agree that the Eagles win. They may be the best team in the ACC.
Sorry, not sold on Nebraska, They played even with Wake, a decent team, and should have been able to handle them physcially. Apparently they could not do this.
Bobby said:
posted on September 11, 2007 1:03 PM — 146.6.158.10 — link — abuse?
Lennie, about the picture of the ou kid crying and me saying that's funny, your wrong i never posted that. That was Longhorn. I DID say Miami was gonna give ou a game because of their defense, I NEVER said that I thought Miami was better than TCU..NEVER. And if TCU doesn't have the best or even one of the best run defenses in the nation then Fox Sports Net goofed up because they brought it up several times. Noles fan sorry this happens often. UT did start off real sluggish but they rebounded nicely against TCU and I think we will continue to get better. Noles fan what do you think of Clemson? Cock n Fire seems to think they're a joke.
Nolen1999 said:
posted on September 11, 2007 1:09 PM — 207.203.238.6 — link — abuse?
Bobby: Clemson is a great team with a lot of talent and speed. They did great last year and ended terribly. Cock n Fire feels that way because of past experiences??? If Clemsons QB can kick it up a notch, they'll be a force.
Hate to admit it, FSU appears to be more of a joke than Clemson. I just hope that my Noles get on the right track and get better.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 11, 2007 1:13 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Nolen 1999 when you made the comment that ut started off sluggish. In ut fans eyes that is making fun. They gone attack you with Clemson remarks as long as you stay on this blog. You are now Public Enemy #1 in their eyes! Bobby man I am gone call a truce. I am an OU fan, you are an ut fan! OU is not gone get NO respect from other ut fans, I AM NOT SAYING YOU, even if they beat ut. I am almost sure ut fans will state at least we (ut) gots 17 mo'!
Bobby said:
posted on September 11, 2007 1:25 PM — 146.6.158.10 — link — abuse?
Lennie please tell me your talking about some other UT fan. I was not taking a jab at Nolen. Cock n fire post #7 made it sound like clemson was overrated. FSU and Clemson played a good game. I watched the entire game on ESPN. Both teams were good FSU nearly came back. I thought nolen would have a accurate opinion on clemson. Nolen I agree with your comment on Harper. I like FSU i'm a BB fan. I'm ready to see FSU mixing it up again. Lennie I give ou more respect more than I'd like to, but ou is good i'm not gonna make myself look dumb to play up UT when ou is obviously the better team. I will reserve my thoughts on the RRS until after the K-State game.
Nolen1999 said:
posted on September 11, 2007 1:31 PM — 207.203.238.6 — link — abuse?
Bobby n Lennie: Both UT and OU are great teams... what it boils down to is, I think OU looks better as a whole. Again, thats just my opinion.
My opinion on the Noles is... we have a lot of work to do! I'm a realist.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 11, 2007 1:32 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Bobby man I don't have no problem with you. You are alright with me has far as I am concern. You are right OU and ut really don't have a difficult game until they play each other. So you are right, all this talk doesn't mean JACK until they play each other! I know other ut fans are gone attack Nolen 1999 BUT Florida State did not give up. They actually had a chance to win that game. But it seems Nolen 1999 has a problem with me.
gatorstud said:
posted on September 11, 2007 1:33 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
CUTotalTiger...andre woodson has played well for kentucky....they have put up 50+ points in both games, i know that it was against a couple of creampuffs but it is still impressive.....loiusville better come to play....or that kentucky speed will get them.....
now for the nebraska game.....i'm kinda gettin the feeling that this is going to be a statement game for the huskers....#1 team coming to town.....i don't know what it is, call it a hunch if you will....but i see an upset coming......
oh , and i forgot one...arkansas over alabama.....
jmho...
go gators....and hokies
Nolen1999 said:
posted on September 11, 2007 1:36 PM — 207.203.238.6 — link — abuse?
Lennie: dunno who you're talking about. Why are other UT fans going to attack me? For saying they started off sluggish??? It's the truth. Hell, my Noles have been sluggish all season, but you don't see me sayin, FSU fans "gone attack you" for talking about our inept offense. People have some growing up to do.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 11, 2007 1:42 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Since I joined this blog I guess it is a SIN to talk bad about ut or the SEC Conference. Hey your opinion is your opinion despite what someone thinks of me I could careless what someone opinion(s) is(are). I have no problem with one here but what do you mean I have diarrhea of the mouth?
Shtr Mkgvn said:
posted on September 11, 2007 1:58 PM — 206.15.203.10 — link — abuse?
Wisc is going to win it all...they play 2 games all year - ohio state and penn st. Should be a walk in the park. It's like you're dreamin' about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Cheeseheads win!
Bobby said:
posted on September 11, 2007 2:02 PM — 146.6.158.10 — link — abuse?
I think nolen was referring to one of my posts where I talked about your long posts Lennie. I'm not gonna touch the Limas Sweed/Malcolm Kelly talk. Opinion and reasons verses opinion and reasons. Sweed is a very good receiver as well. Alot of draft sites have him going between 10 and 20.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 11, 2007 2:04 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey it would great to see Wisconsin play for the National Title. They love them some footabll up there. Packers and Badgers. But I am not sold on the fact they can beat Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan in the same season. They look like the team in da Big 11 to beat.
Bobby said:
posted on September 11, 2007 2:49 PM — 146.6.158.10 — link — abuse?
Lennie I think the games I'm gonna pay the most attention to are USC/Nebraska and Florida/Tennessee. I want to see if florida is for real. I think Kellers play could hurt the Huskers, ther are gonna have to be razor sharp to get past USC.
gatorstud said:
posted on September 11, 2007 3:02 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
bobby, the florida/tennessee game should be a good game...most people expect florida to win this one big, but i just don't know.....we had a couple of injuries at key positions.....and our speedster harvin is still hobbling from tendanitis....so i expect it to be a closer game than people expect....florida by 14.....
mark it down people......nebraska game will be close going into the fourth quarter....and nebraska wins.....sorry trojan fans....but you heard it here.....
go gators....and hokies
Shtr Mkgvn said:
posted on September 11, 2007 3:14 PM — 206.15.203.10 — link — abuse?
Anyone see the Rutgers game? Saw this article about the fans laying into the Navy squad. Poor timing in front of Sept 11th.. going to get some bad press. I'm all for getting into the opponents head.. but i'm not so sure they used the best judgement.
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1189484859197200.xml&coll=1
By the way.. how about the first half schedule for Washington. Boise St, Ohio St, UCLA, USC... still have Oregon, Cal and Hawaii in the second half.. Would be the all time homerun to run the table.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on September 11, 2007 3:25 PM — 71.103.225.30 — link — abuse?
I'll go with LSU being #1 right now. My final power rankings last year had: 1. LSU 2. Louisville 3. Florida 4. USC and 5. Ohio State. Now, these rankings are only used to bet against the spread, as I have explained for a couple of years now. It means that LSU was probably the most powerful team last year. It does not mean that Florida did not win the National Championship - as they did! It means that LSU played consistantly better than any other team - week in and week out. It means that they were the best bet to play well on any given Saturday.
So, I have no problem with LSU holding #1 right now. It's a stupid argument to ask: who has USC beaten so far? Heck, they have only met Idaho. I don't consider that Virginia Tech is all that either. When have they ever been - really? No, fact is, LSU started out just as strong last year and managed to lose two games somehow. They do look like #1 right now.
I can't bring myself to put Oklahoma over USC right now though. Anybody remember 2004? Oklahoma has not improved enough, especially with a freshman QB, to ever beat the Trojans. I had Miami ranked #54 last year. What made them all of a sudden become good? They're not. It's not surprising that Oklahoma pasted Miami. Miami is not a great football team. I'm not so sure that they are even good. We'll see.
I'm afraid we're lookin' at a scenario similar to
2003, when Oklahoma met LSU, and USC was left out.
This time, if all three go unbeaten, the LSU and USC should face off. Oklahoma has been beaten handily the last two time they played for all the marbles - by LSU and USC respectfully. So, LSU and USC should be #1 and #2 for now. Now, if Florida (defending National Champs) can beat LSU - then they should ascend back up to the top. Either way - I'd like to see the SEC Champs play USC (should the Trojan's win out).My current Top Five:
1. LSU
2. USC
3. Oklahoma
4. Florida
5. Ohio State (great defense)So, that's it. As a Trojan fan, I'm not gonna stomp my feet, and make claims that the Trojan's should be #1. Just because they look good on paper
does not make them the best team. These games are still played on the field. There is no question that the SEC will be the strongest conference this
year. So, I have no problem with their best team claiming #1.My conference ratings:
1. SEC
2. Pac 10
3. Big East
4. Big 12
5. Big 10
6. ACCBig East has some big wins so far. Problem is and has been: Top teams don't have enough defense to win against the other great teams. So, I have downgraded them somewhat, because of that poorer defense.
Tommie T
gatorstud said:
posted on September 11, 2007 3:39 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
t-trojan...tha is a pretty good assesment and i like your top five except for ohio state....i would have wisconsin or w. virg. there.....
i will have to say that i am impressed with the pac-10 and its early victories.....i will be honest and say that i really thought that michigan would show up and actually play oregon.....and i had boise state over washington.....i have been doggin the pac-ten for being soft over the years but, i gotta say..so far..impressive....go ty go.......
and that goes for the big east also....big wins, but how long can they keep it going....
so, double t. give me your analysis on the trojans game against nebraska.....are you worried at all.....or do you think this will be a trojan walkover....sorry to say that i have already picked nebraska for the upset....i went with the gut feeling on this one....
go gators...and hokies
Bobby said:
posted on September 11, 2007 3:46 PM — 146.6.158.10 — link — abuse?
Tommy T #86 good post. What do you think about the USC/Neb. game? Gatorstud I know injuries are just the way it goes but sometimes injuries to key players really can impact a game or team. We have two players out that have to be ready when we face OU. Tommy why doesn't the NFL scouts give Booty any love. Alot os sites have him in the second round. I just realized I used give, booty, and love in the same sentence.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 11, 2007 4:04 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Thank you , Bobby. I am shocked at ol' Tommy Trojan's comments about OU & UM. Idaho is no were in Miamis range and USC was favorited by 45 points. I believe USC won by 28. Tommie Trojan usually don't clown but I guess there is a first time for anything!
Mr.McAteer said:
posted on September 11, 2007 4:20 PM — 71.206.247.138 — link — abuse?
post 87
those wins are gonna keep coming all season long and into the bowl games baby, starting with WVUs annahilation of those terrible turtles this Thursday on ESPN
make sure to tune in if u want to see the true definition of playmakers
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on September 11, 2007 4:33 PM — 71.103.225.30 — link — abuse?
Well Boyz!
The Trojans are currently a -10 pick to win the game. I think I'd give the Trojans maybe a -3 point edge in this one. But, I have seen USC beat down many a good team. In the Idaho game - they played darn near the whole roster after halftime. Against Neb - it's probably gonna be a different story. Nebraska will not be able to run the ball. That's over. They are gonna have to heave it. Keller might get it done - but I think he'll be on his back while the Trojans are pickin' off his balls. I can't see Nebraska moving the ball at all. Yet, I'm not so thrilled with the young runners and receivers on USC either.
USC has had two weeks to prepare for this one - and we all know what happens when Carroll has time. Also, with the ineptness of Notre Dame, this will be the Trojans only non-con game to impress voters with. I think the Trojans might blow this team out. But, as usual, it's always good to take the home underdog. I'd take Nebraska and the ten points.Lenny:
The Sooners look great so far. The schedule is really easy with Texas at home. Oklahoma could very well go unbeaten. Keep in mind that the schedule really is easy. This will hurt Oklahoma in the final BCS standings. Unless USC and LSU lose - Oklahoma will not be playing in the "Big Dance". That's just the way it goes. They get all the harder games at home. Never fear - USC plays the #2 toughest schedule in the country. They'll probably lose one. All Oklahoma has to do is win them all and you'll probably get a chance to get pounded by either LSU or Florida.
Tommie T
gatorhippy
posted on September 11, 2007 4:39 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
"All Oklahoma has to do is win them all and you'll probably get a chance to get pounded by either LSU or Florida."
Probably just LSU...
If UF can win in BR, i wouldn't expect them to pull it off twice...
But stranger things have happened...
See 2006...
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on September 11, 2007 4:41 PM — 71.103.225.30 — link — abuse?
Bobby:
John David Booty will probably be picked as the 2nd
QB in the draft - similar to what Brady Quinn was. Brian Brouhm of Louisville, at 6'5, is the top prospect. Should Booty light it up (I doubt it cause the receivers are so young), and win the Hypesman, then he could be the top QB picked. But, he's only 6'3 and thin. He does not have the weight that the pros like either. He has a great arm and is accurate. But, he gets a little hurried on occasion and has made some poor choices. Yet, he does not take sacks and did not throw many Int's. So, his stock could rise. I'd say that height and weight are his biggest drawbacks at the pro level. He does have a tendancy to have balls batted away at the LOS.Tommie T
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 11, 2007 4:43 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Tommie Trojan...My name is Lennie. Oklahoma does not play ut at home, da game has been played at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas since 1929! LSU and UF might have 1 loss each. USC gone lose to one or all the following team(s): Nebraska, Oregon, California, and maybe Notre Dame? I guess I am yo' enemy or a fool now since I don't think USC is all that and a lot mo'!
cock'n'fire south carolina 101 said:
posted on September 11, 2007 4:46 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
ok post 29 eye of the tiger
i never said steve spurrier wasnt trying to score...all i was trying to say was that he wasnt gonna put on film a game against georgia thats showing exactly how our team is going to play this year...tyrone nix was doing all the work with our defense notice we played more of a defensive game against georgia
and post 42 bobby
your right it does have to do with a dislike of clemson but not all of it is...florida state hadnt proved themselves to be the #19 team when they played clemson yet georgia had proved themselves to be #11 after pummeling oklahoma state...and compared to south carolina, clemson has a cupcake schedule...they have 2 maybe 3 tough games which are definately GT and south carolina and then maybe boston college but thats at home...however south carolina played georgia IN ATHENS, and they will play LSU in baton rouge, and also play tennessee arkansas on the road and then play the defending national champions at home so yeah clemson has a cupcake schedule compared to us
and post 54 mr total tiger
you got it all wrong there we dont play the bills on sunday...we play the south carolina state bulldogs on SATURDAY...also thats not exactly what i said...what im saying is spurrier played a simple offense that he doesnt usually play, he usually plays alot more hardcore than that and against georgia we were getting it all done on defense so it didnt matter...spurrier hasnt tried running up the score on any team since hes been at south carolina...he doesnt have his 1st string offense on the feild and throw a hail mary to the end zone with a 30 point lead...mid tenn state was probly our highest scoring win last year and spurrier was playing everybody 2nd string 3rd string...all he wanted was a few scores and then he was ok...if we ran up the score on wofford last year we wouldnt have almost lost to them...maybe after the 22nd youll start to understand wut im saying
OU Fan said:
posted on September 11, 2007 4:52 PM — 84.146.56.186 — link — abuse?
Tommie Trojan post #86, Oklahoma losing back to back national championship games should have nothing to do with todays rankings or in determining who SHOULD get left out of the national championship game. If Oklahoma finishes this season at #2 and USC finishes at #3, then #2 Oklahoma should go to the big game, not #3 USC. Tommie Trojan, I don't care if Oklahoma lost back to back national championship games in 2004 and 2005. If the Sooners finish at #2 and the Trojans finish at #3, then #2 goes before #3. There should be exceptions, and past season games should definately not be a factor in determining if #3 should go instead of #2. And Tommie Trojan, during the 2003/2004 football season, USC and LSU both had one loss, while the Sooners went to the Big 12 championship undefeated. Then K-State delivered a brutal ass wooping and the Sooners earned their 1st loss of the season. I understand that Oklahoma got wooped by K-State, but it was Oklahoma's first season loss and the Sooners were much higher than the Tigers and Trojans were in the BCS Standings. So honestly, how do you determine who should go to the national championship game in that scenario? Should the 2 teams with one loss each surpass the team that finally received their first loss at the end of the season? And like I stated earlier, Oklahoma had such a high BCS ranking due to their regular season performance. Now for my opinion of the 2004/2005 season, thats where I think having the top 4 BCS teams in a playoff would have been great. On one hand, their is an undefeated Auburn team who went through the SEC undefeated and worked their way up the polls. But on the other hand, their is an Oklahoma team who started the season I believe to be at #2. Also, that #2 Oklahoma team respectfully maintained their ranking throughout the season. To me, the #2 Oklahoma team deserved to be in the national championship game, despite the outcome. Also in my opinion, in that case Auburn should have been able to split the national championship with the Trojans because after all, the NCAA's favorite team was able to share the national championship with LSU. I hope this makes sense. BOOMER SOONER!
Eye of the Tiger said:
posted on September 11, 2007 4:53 PM — 68.107.108.135 — link — abuse?
Tommie T,
I like your picks for the top five with the exception of FLA. I'd move them ahead of OU right now for the same reasons you mentioned why they wouldn't be a good match for the NC. Truthfully, I'm not that impressed with the win over a rebuilding Miami. One major difference I think you will find interesting is I actually think the PAC-10 is the best conference thus far. Here's how I stack up the conferences:
1. Pac-10
2. SEC
3. ACC
4. Big East
5. Big 12So far the only teams that have showed dominance in the SEC is LSU and FLA. However, in the PAC USC, Oregon, CAL, Washington, UCLA, Arizona St. have all shown dominance. It's still early, but this is how I see it for now.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on September 11, 2007 4:54 PM — 71.103.225.30 — link — abuse?
OK Lennie:
We can be enemies if you say so. If you were gonna be my enemy though - I just wish you would understand something about college football. I'll bet you that USC does not lose four games this year. Does a $1,000 sound okay? I'll give you a chance to get you money back or parlay it into more. I'll bet you that Oklahoma does not win the National Championship. Does a thousand sound okay to you? There you have a chance to pick up two grand. Does that sound okay for you? If you win either one of these - don't forget to rub it in on me at the end of the year. Somehow though, like all others, I doubt if we'll be hearing much of you after the Bowl season is over.
Tommie T
posted on September 11, 2007 4:59 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?War Eagle Atlanta said:
Tommie T.: I'll hold the money for you guys! However, I won't hold my breath--waiting for his, that is.
Lennie's one of those comic relief guys who blow through here every so often and types all these messages without ever really saying anything. Then the power company shuts off the juice for non-payment and he just can't handle having to go to the library to post anymore...
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 11, 2007 5:04 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Tommie Trojan...I'll give your my address and you type up the bet and it's a deal. USC is not gone to lose ta Notre Dame or they should not but I will say it here that USC will have 2 LOSSES this year. Nebraska, Oregon, California, or Arizona State to be serious now.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on September 11, 2007 5:06 PM — 71.103.225.30 — link — abuse?
OU Fan:
Relax man! It's early yet. My opinion means exactly nothing in this universe. I'm only saying how I would vote (but I don't have one) if I did have a vote. Luckily, I don't have a vote. Your also lucky that I am not the President of the United States of America either. Things would really get different in a hurry. That would scare everyone.
Oklahoma is a fine team and I have them #3 for right now. I stated that: 1. Oklahoma has a redshirt freshman QB 2. Lost Adrian Peterson 3. Lost to Boise State just last year. 4. Lost to LSU and USC prior to that. So, my humble opinion says that Oklahoma has not become the best team in the land in the last couple of years. I do like the QB Bradford and the freshman runner Murray. We Trojans recruited Murray, and lost out, so we know how good he really is. No, Oklahoma is definately back on the rise - but not ready for "Prime Time" just yet. That is only my opinion. Youz guyz gotz to see if I'm wrong first - before youz startz to cry too much.Tommie T
"THE"BUCKEYE MARK said:
posted on September 11, 2007 6:04 PM — 70.62.161.114 — link — abuse?
Tommie T
Why do you have Ohio St #5 I'd say they are more like 12-15th they haven't played a good enouph team to know how good that defense is but the stats are good.Ohio St's defense will have to score this week to get a convincing win over an underated team
Clemson Fan said:
posted on September 11, 2007 6:04 PM — 65.183.99.20 — link — abuse?
Well there you have it everyone, Please read post #97 and you will see the mystery that is Gamecock football! According to their number one fan..... Spurrier is a defensive coach that would not run the score up on anyone. Have mercy on Florida, LSU and Tennessee!
QUOTE " Nix was doing all the work with our defense."
QUOTE " FSU hadn't proved themselves to be #19." This coming from a South Carolina fan.
QUOTE " What I am saying is that Spurrier played a simple offense that he usually doesn't play." I am so glad Spurrier decided not to take advantage of a poor Georgia team that had a chance to win in the end. The master plot is begining to make sense.
QUOTE " Spurrier hasn't tried running up the score on any team since he has been at South Carolina." That may be, but it is more of a reflection of the fact that he can not run up the score on any team. South Carolina is horrible.
QUOTE " maybe after the 22nd you will understand."
LSU better start coming up with reasons South Carolina is going to embarrass them. I believe Cock and Fire said a 33-17 win for South Carolina.Well we have learned from Cock and Fire that
1) Spurrier will not run the score up on anyone
2) Spurrier is a defensive coach
3) LSU will not win the game against South Carolina this year.
4) Spurrier allowed Georgia to hang around last Saturday as part of his master plan
5) The reason Spurrier does not run the score up on people is because they come back on him like Wofford did in 2006."THE"BUCKEYE MARK said:
posted on September 11, 2007 6:05 PM — 70.62.161.114 — link — abuse?
Tommie T
Why do you have Ohio St #5 I'd say they are more like 12-15th they haven't played a good enouph team to know how good that defense is but the stats are good.Ohio St's defense will have to score this week to get a convincing win over an underated team
posted on September 11, 2007 8:48 PM — 70.180.45.10 — link — abuse?
Much respect to Tommie Trojan for his ranking of LSU & the SEC...and to everyone who thinks LSU is #1...
I just heard Herbstreit basically defend his ranking of SoCal as Numero Uno based on the fact that he ranked them there in the pre-season...
Because the preseason rankings mean so much (Just ask Michigan, South Florida, Auburn, and Applachian State), right Kirk?
I honestly think that we can blow the doors off of any team in the nation...I was in Death Valley, so I didn't get a chance to hear Bret Muffgurgler and Kirkie-babee Saturday night, but we saw live and direct what the rest of the nation did...
This defense is fierce, the offense hasn't skipped a beat, and if anything, has added versatility and multiplicity, if you will, by adding Crowton as our OC...Our coaching staff is quite simply amazing...
From the aforementioned Crowton to the soon-to-be-a-head-coach-near-you in DC Bo Pelini, to guys like RB Coach Larry Porter, who had us scratching our heads wondering why Jacob Hester was starting over Keiland Williams, until we realized that all three of our backs will be nice and fresh come SEC Stretch Run...
You also can't forget about the new OL Coach, former Bowling Green OC Studrawa...The guy coaches from the booth, and the past few years, you wouldn't have dreamed of 150 yards rushing against Moo U, VT, and MTSU combined until at least the 4th or 5th game of the year, because of our former OL Coach Stacy Searles mix-and-match chemistry approach to gelling the OL. Coach "Stud" is making line calls from the booth upstairs, and is a defacto offensive coordinator...
Perhaps no other offense in America can boast that sort've talent on the sidelines, between Miles, Crowton, and Stud...
With our offensive line playing this well this early, and the bevy of fresh backs we have, and with Pelini getting this defense to play better than-dare I even mention his name-Saban's heyday of '03-'04...We're coming, Trojans...
Get ready...
hrposon said:
posted on September 11, 2007 9:00 PM — 98.200.123.115 — link — abuse?
Just a thought about Week 2 polls...
If Notre Dame or Michigan played the teams that Ohio State played in the first 2 weeks of the season, the Youngstown State Peguins and the Akron Zips, and OSU played either UM or ND's schedule, who would have the best record after week 2?
Who would the pollsters have ranked higher?
Try it substituting Texas A&M for tOSU
GA Boy said:
posted on September 11, 2007 9:01 PM — 97.89.29.93 — link — abuse?
Cocky Misfire
Your whacked out analasis of the game this past Saturday is only making the DAWGS look worse. I really wish you would stop with the ridiculous statements about Spurrier letting us hang around in this game as an attempt to save some of his secrets for LSU. Spurrier better have some secret weapons or LSU is going to smash you.
As for the Dawg-Cocks game, here is really why it was so close:
1. The game is a great rivalry that is always close (even last year's 18-0 game was not as bad as the score indicated.)
2. You guys played a good game defensively. Yes, you had some great play out of your defensive backs and the Brinkley boys. You tightened up when you had to and kept us out of the endzone. (This is more of a reflection on the DAWGS O than your D though. It is a symptom of why Richt has not moved into the upper echelon of coaches. We have serious issues in the red zone and on 3rd down conversions. Field goals don't cut it, prime example Kentucky and Vandy loss last year. I put this win by the Cocks in that same category.)
3. Contrary to your perception of it, we did have some poorly thrown passes from Stafford who just was not sharp on Saturday, and we had some mediorcre play from our 2nd and 3rd receivers. You covered Massiqua and Bailey very well in man to man and we did not get the play from Moore and Henderson at receiver to make up for it.
4. The youth of our defense got us. We played well defensively keeping you out of the endzone, but we could not stop B
Kevin Donahue 
said:
posted on September 10, 2007 8:40 PM — link — abuse?I think it's a damn shame that South Florida didn't get into the top 25 (let alone the top 20). I think they showed more than just a fluke win at Auburn and deserve some credit. Shame.