September 23, 2007
Week 4 College Football Polls - 2007
College football polls for week four - games through September 23, 2007.
Associate Press - AP College Football Top 25 Poll
1. USC (43)
2. LSU (22)
3. Oklahoma
4. Florida
5. West Virginia
6. California
7. Texas
8. Ohio State
9. Wisconsin
10. Rutgers
11. Oregon
12. Boston College
13. Clemson
14. Kentucky
15. Georgia
16. South Carolina
17. Virginia Tech
18. South Florida
19. Hawaii
20. Missouri
21. Penn State
22. Alabama
23. Arizona State
24. Cincinnati
25. Nebraska
USA Today Coaches Football Top 25 Poll
1. USC (44)
2. LSU (8)
3. Florida (4)
4. Oklahoma (4)
5. West Virginia
6. California
7. Texas
8. Ohio State
9. Wisconsin
10. Rutgers
11. Boston College
12. Oregon
13. Clemson
14. Virginia Tech
15. Kentucky
16. Georgia
17. Hawaii
18. South Florida
19. Penn State
20. Missouri
21. South Carolina
22. Nebraska
23. Michigan State
24. Alabama
25. Purdue
Master Coaches Poll
1. Southern Cal
2. LSU
3. Oklahoma
4. Florida
5. West Virginia
6. California
7. Ohio State
8. Wisconsin
9. Texas
10. Oregon
11. Boston College
12. Clemson
13. Rutgers
14. Georgia
15. Virginia Tech
16. Penn State
17. Kentucky
18. South Florida
19. Hawaii
20. South Carolina
21. Alabama
22. Missouri
23. Michigan State
24. Arizona State
25. Miami
Harris Interactive College Football Poll
1. USC (91)
2. LSU (19)
3. Oklahoma (1)
4. Florida (3)
5. West Virginia
6. California
7. Ohio State
8. Texas
9. Wisconsin
10. Oregon
11. Boston College
12. Rutgers
13. Clemson
14. Kentucky
15. Georgia
16. Virginia Tech
17. South Carolina
18. Hawaii
19. Penn State
20. South Florida
21. Missouri
22. Alabama
23. Arizona State
24. Nebraska
25. Michigan State
Comments:
badgerballer
posted on September 23, 2007 7:40 PM — 71.34.152.11 — link — abuse?
said:
Yup, Florida is wearing the same anchor as my Badgers. If ever there were a situation that demonstrates "style points DO count", its Wisconsin. We keep on winning, and keep on sliding down in the polls. Its not enough to just win - ugly wins aren't worth as much. You have to accummulate those style points. Not saying I necessarily disagree; its just the way that it is.
badgerballer
posted on September 23, 2007 8:46 PM — 71.34.152.11 — link — abuse? said:
Of course its relative to competition - that much is needless to say. If someone goes out and beats LSU or USC or Oklahoma in the coming weeks, it doesn't matter if they beat them by 2 points or by 30. For such wins style points do not matter. Florida knocking off LSU on the road by 2 is a quality win, regardless. All that matters is the win.However, if USC, Florida, Oklahoma, etc. play Tulane - style points DO matter. If they just slip by on a field goal with 5 seconds left on the clock, that's going to hurt. A 49-7 shlocking is going to help. Don't believe it, just ask a Texas fan.
Lennie Collins
posted on September 23, 2007 9:23 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse? said:
Hey War Eagle Atlanta...texas beatdown Rice like the LAPD did Rodney King 58-14. Texas Tech and Oklahoma State has no defense. Oklahoma State defense caught their second wind and stop Texas Tech in the last 30 seconds and won 49-45.
Zac said:
posted on September 23, 2007 9:23 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
It's nice to see Cinci finally made one of the polls. The hard part will be they're staying in them.
Speaking of style points, I'm surprised to see NE still in any of them, given their showing at home against Ball St. Which brings to mind a question: You have AS St, IA St, NC St, PA St, to name a few. So, what's this Ball St thing? Where is the "State of Ball"? Is that the state of mind as the Ball drops on New Years in Times Square, as in, people are haveing a...? Ya wanna field that one, GH?
Lennie Collins
posted on September 23, 2007 9:58 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse? said:
Hey Zac my friend...Ball State University is located in Muncie, Indiana. It was named Indiana Normal Institute but was about to go out of businesss and these 5 brothers(Business Gurus of that era) whose last names were Ball bought it for $35,000. Of course it was renamed after them.
Bevo Boy said:
posted on September 23, 2007 10:08 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Lennie, how do you know that? I know it living in the area and since I am related to them because of my step-grandma (if you consider that related to someone). But if you (Zac) want to ask about a state of ball or something like that, what about San Diego State? There is no state of San Diego. That's one I don't get.
cock'n'fire south carolina 101 said:
posted on September 24, 2007 1:34 AM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
my gamcocks dropped to # 16
thats not too bad but i mean we played frigin LSU what do you expect? we put a good game against them and beat the spread...i think beating the spread should get some credit and we put up some numbers that havent been done on LSU this year including the first sack on matt flyn...if we manage florida im looking forward to a rematch in the georgia dome
GO COCKS! #16 3-1 (1-1) SEC
OU Fan said:
posted on September 24, 2007 3:19 AM — 139.139.51.70 — link — abuse?
The team that is impressing me the most right now is Kentucky. Beating Louisville and Arkansas are huge for that program. And watching South Carolina trying to generate an offense this weekend against LSU was sad, but what can I say, LSU's defense to me looked stout. And Spurrier should have seen that fake field goal coming from a mile away, but oh well. And the Oklahoma State-Texas Tech game was ridiculous. Texas Tech had 718 total yards of offense. 718 yards is a lot of freaking yards to earn only to leave Stillwater with a loss. Also, I strongly believe that Hawaii should not be a top 25 team. Now, Oklahoma defensive coordinator Brent Venables had better get his head in the game. There was no reason Tulsa should have had 354 passing yards. I give Tulsa credit, they're a good program with a good quarterback and are probably the best team in the Conference USA, but I blame 354 passing against Oklahoma on their defensive schemes. I don't mean to sound a little cocky, but thats just my opinion. I miss Mike Stoops as defensive coordinator. BOOMER SOONER!
Lennie Collins
posted on September 24, 2007 3:33 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse? said:
Hey OU Fan too bad the Sooners do not have a TOUGH team to play to correct it. The Bisons(Colorado) are terrible. The defensive backs are going to be their downfall if the problem don't get fixed like two days ago! Michael Stoops might be returning after this year. Miami deserves that #25 slot! Texas Tech and Oklahoma State have no defense.
gatorhippy
posted on September 24, 2007 9:14 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
K-Hue (#25):
Be assured, with LSU & UF squaring off in two weeks...
OU will slip into that #2 spot across the board as long as they don't slip up...
LSU/UF will be close with a LSU win given it's in BR...
I won't be letting that ruin my trip to NOLA though...
GatorGreg said:
posted on September 24, 2007 10:04 AM — 66.89.151.21 — link — abuse?
Im still at a loss for words with USC sitting soundly at #1. How many top 15's does LSU have to beat to move into that spot. I mean, really, USC has only beaten a soft Nebraska team, the rest are cupcakes.
I pray my Gators don't look ahead to the death valley game before preparing for Auburn, that would be typical Florida football.
gatorhippy
posted on September 24, 2007 10:21 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
Gator G (#27):
I wouldn't worry about that...
Meyer will have them ready and focused...
Annual Gator Choke looks more to happen at Lexington or Columbia...
Possibly Jacksonville, though I don't think that would necessarily be a surprise or could be considered a choke...
posted on September 24, 2007 10:35 AM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue
said:
LSU/UF is the same day (I believe) as OU/TX. So... if OU rips through a top 10 Texas (20+ point win) and a narrow win for UF/LSU... you may be right.
@GatorGreg - I have thought USC should be #3 all year. I have no idea why they are rated #1. They shouldn't be.
gatorstud said:
posted on September 24, 2007 11:04 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
i wonder how long it will be before ball state knocks down a "big time" team....this is twice in two years that ball state almost came up with a big victory away from home.....michigan last year and this year nebraska......
ball state's qb nate davis..throwing for 422 yards....atta-boy nate...
c'mon ball state...you can do it....
go gators...and hokies
TampaGator said:
posted on September 24, 2007 11:28 AM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Gatorgregg/Gatorhippy/Gatorstud:
I was just glad we made it out of Mississippi with a W--hasn't happened I believe in like the last 5 times we've gone there, before Sat (although 4 of those were in Starkville).
Yeah we could've looked better...but we also could've lost...
As for LSU and UGA--recent history favors UF--though LSU's Offense v. UF's D matchup favors LSU (our O v. LSU D is a wash--IMHO). UGA has a bye week before FL-GA (I believe we usually had that). That could be the deviation necessary to thwart the recent historic trend...
...so damn much football left, we could stumble on any of those games left: SC, AU, Vandy (very experienced), of course UK looking BA--and we can never discount FSU...
Let's just enjoy the ride, and savor each W we're able to get!
GO GATORS!!
gatorhippy
posted on September 24, 2007 11:37 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse? said:
T-Gator(#31):
That's the thing...
I wasn't that disappointed witht he way UF looked this past weekend...
It was right on expectations defensively...
The offense still produced, but with Cooper nursing a sore ankle and Bubba still on the sidelines...
I think they played well...
We got to see Tim and Percy step up when needed to carry the load...
And finally saw Murphy and Ingram step up as well after playing more of a bit part...
As I have been saying since the pre-season polls came out...
I'm still not sold on UF being a top ten team because of the defense...
But as long as the pollsters want them there I'll take it...
TampaGator said:
posted on September 24, 2007 11:53 AM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Gatorhip:
I agree entirely--except that I stopped paying attention to the polls years ago; I simply enjoy the game for what it is--let the results take care of themselves.
I'll also add that this team looks like the old Spurrier teams more than any since. While not quite the "fun & gun", there's a whole lotta' scoring going on, and it's a whole lot of fun to watch. Yeah with the young guys on D., we're not scaring anyone with our Defense, but it's fun to watch!
GO GATORS!!
gatorstud said:
posted on September 24, 2007 12:09 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
our offense wasn't that explosive this weekend, but what really impressed me was the 98 yard drive.....after meyer made them kick it over again and it was downed on our 2 yard line....tebow kept his composure and led HIS team down the field......very impressed w/ tebow's ability to manage a game
on the road.....young team.....98 yards, time consuming, touchdown drive.....it was a thing of beauty....
go gators...and hokies
Lennie Collins
posted on September 24, 2007 12:14 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse? said:
Hey fellow college football fans, remember margin of victory DOES matter...unless you are the Soutern California Trojans. Before USC fans attack me with conspiracy accusations I would like a non-bias person to examine the polls over the last few weeks. texas, louisville, and Florida all dropped a few spots after not meeting the point spread BUT USC did not drop after they did not cover the spread against Idaho(38 points). Check it out!
gatorhippy
posted on September 24, 2007 12:20 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse? said:
g-stud (#35):
The thing that impressed me the most on that drive was with the number of carries Tim had...
Tebow wasn't even breathing hard...
In fact, on the closing drive of the game he looked like he was stronger than on the 98 yarder...
On the flip side, Tim definitely had a laser site on Percy and had a little trouble figuring a few schemes out occasionally...
Sometimes it's hard to remember he's only a sophmore...
But he is...
M GO BLUE said:
posted on September 24, 2007 12:23 PM — 216.46.211.231 — link — abuse?
Penn State should not be ranked. Any team that cannot manage even one TD on the Michigan D should not be ranked.
I never thought I'd say this, but a 6 foot 7 inch 250 pound Texan QB is exactly what Michigan has lacked since Tom Brady graduated.
GO BLUE
TE
posted on September 24, 2007 4:40 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
So...I have to take my medicine from T-Mac...Our OC's decision to be cute and pass the ball, even when it was apparent that USC's run defense from the starting gun was somewhat akin to France's border security circa 1941...
It cost our defense in the 4th quarter those cheap 9 points USC put up on us late, and if you can't tell that was a garbage opening drive where we got caught with two 15 yard penalties plus one where we were simply out of position before the snap...Then you're a USC fan...
They got their yards and their garbage points late, after our winded defense got put back out onto the field after three lackluster drives where we doggedly stuck to the pass at the end, and a wide receiver who had the drops...
But, having said that...They Cocks did enter the red zone twice in the 4th quarter...Both with less than 8:00 left, and both after the game was no longer in doubt...
My prediction was 33-7 or 41-7, and we left at least a field goal out there, and those scores late were garbage...So I was pretty accurate...
But, props to you, T-Mac...
Oh, and to all of you Gator fans...You saw us dominate in the slop, against a tough opponent, and look fierce doing it...
You saw us do that looking like complete and total sh!t on offense, and getting tired late on defense...
We're going to embarass you Gator fans...Straight up...The Emperor's got new clothes, and no defense...and we'll put you on the runway soon...
gatorstud said:
posted on September 24, 2007 4:59 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
hey te....# 39....your sounding awful cocky after a 12 poit win at home....
heres a question...if lowly south carolina put up 16 pts on you...how many points do you think tebow and harvin are going to put up on you....lol....you guys better score more than 28.....i mean if s. carolin can move the ball on your "VETERAN" defense....we should have no problem....
......and if i am not mistaken....weren't you guys favored in the florida game last year...and how did that work out for you....that is what i thought.....
keep talkin out your ass......cause in two weeks, your gonna get your asses handed to you....
go gators......and hokies
cock'n'fire south carolina 101 said:
posted on September 24, 2007 5:45 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
WOW post 39 TE
that is the most biased comment anybody could possibly make...u sound just like Les Miles did on the radio "er well our defense played terrible at the end and we just completely gave 1 drive up to them but im not gonna take anything away from south carolina they played well" that made no sense when he said that...not only was he bending the truth to make his team look good but then he said he wasnt going to take anything away from south carolina after he just did
what is this world coming to? LSU wins by 12 points that is a good win why were the LSU fans so pissed? i sure wasnt happy after getting soaked in the LSU stadium and then assholes yelling tiger bait at me
so yall didnt beat the spread...so what yall still won against a good team
Although we were using our 3rd string quarterback in the second half...i dont know why tommy beecher wasnt put in after blake mitchell was benched...and if im not mistaken that 3rd string quarterback chris smelley threw a touchdown pass against LSU...nice veteran defense yall got there...we had a bunch of freshys and sophomores and still held yall to 28 because jasper was hurt however casper was in there
anyway good game GO COCKS!
cock'n'fire south carolina 101 said:
posted on September 24, 2007 6:00 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
post 42 war eagle atlanta
no youre wrong about that thats how to be a sore winner...they won, why do they have to bend the truth to make it look like they killed us "oh we should of and we didnt and we couldnt because of and we werent doing this right and those bad calls" thats what LSU fans need to stop saying because they won and everybody saw it because it was on national tv...and if u wanna talk about the calls your saying it was a bad call when #99 ripped off chris smelleys helmet and started yelling in his face...im suprised they didnt start fighting but # 99 got kicked out of the game and he deserved it for almost breaking our 3rd string qbs neck...and notice all the holding and passing interference LSU was doing yet they didnt call it a single time...except the punt return where they woulda lost their job if they didnt call it because it was so obvious and dirty and unsportsmanlike
anyways good job GO COCKS! #16 3-1 (1-1) SEC
Clemson Joe said:
posted on September 24, 2007 6:13 PM — 24.168.208.54 — link — abuse?
Two things to say about the polls:
Is it just me, or does the Master Coaches Poll seem to make so much more sense than any of the others do?Boston College is getting ripped off. They should be much higher.
Cock'n'fire:
Your best defensive player, Jasper Brinkley, is out for the season. Your starting QB is not good at all. Welcome to our world (in 2006). At least your coach is smart enough to take the QB out though.
So, didn't you predict quite a massive upset this weekend? Have you said anything yet to atone for that? I watched the game in its entirety with quite a few USC fans. I didn't see any pass interference, and they didn't say anything about it during the game either. I'm not sure what you're talking about there. Holding goes uncalled in every single game in college football, so that's just something you'll have to learn to live with. What I saw was an LSU team that let off of the gas pedal at the end, and let the final score swing 7 points back in favor of the Gamecocks. USC played a good game, but I don't feel like the score was indicative at all. It should be interesting to see how the rest of the season pans out for Carolina.
cock'n'fire south carolina 101 said:
posted on September 24, 2007 6:29 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
post 45 clemson joe
i know exactly what happened because i was there...i was one of those barely 200 gamecock fans there...and when i predicted that win i didnt know we would be playing in a frickin waterfall...also jasper may be out but we had players steeping up with better game before he got hurt and this is our world actually...proctor sucked all year and blake mitchell didnt however this year we have smelley to replace blake instead of syvelle...smelley had a medical redshirt last year but if he didnt he woulda played instead of syvelle and he will be good...the problem is blake mitchell cant scramble but he has quite an arm
anyways im sick of typing GO COCKS!
Clemson Joe said:
posted on September 24, 2007 6:46 PM — 24.168.208.54 — link — abuse?
Cock'n'fire:
Blake Mitchell didn't suck all year? Really? Then where has the passing game been? Smelley is much better. The right call was made.
Jasper Brinkley being out will hurt Carolina, and if you don't think it will, you have a world class drug dealer.
So, what you're saying is, being there equates to knowing what happened, and watching it on television with the benefit of replays and closeups means that you don't. I'll keep that in mind.
FANofFLA said:
posted on September 24, 2007 7:24 PM — 72.69.2.100 — link — abuse?
hey war eagle...how you feelin about this weeks game...i'm hoping that my gators don't have a let down......auburn is one of those teams that always give us a hard time....too many close games......
your team has looked pretty shaky so far this season....no consistency in offensive play......is it a qb. problem.....or off. line problem....
just curious......
cock'n'fire south carolina 101 said:
posted on September 24, 2007 9:13 PM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
post 47 clemson joe
blake mitchell did have a good passing game its just he doesnt have all the receivers he used to anymore so hes not as affective...chris smelley was alot better because he could scramble and avoid sacks better
and were getting a medical redshirt on jasper and well have him again next year and yes he is that loyal to the gamecocks that hell take a redshirt instead of go to the NFL...last year we had a season ending injury with marquee hall early in the season and jasper had one too but we had our backups step in and do a good job last year notice nathan pepper came in and took right over last year even though hes out too we still got marquee hall to put in his spot...our defense has enough depth
plus i had alot better close up than u did unless u were there too...i had good seats and i could see the plays very well and i did see some things that never got called
GA Boy said:
posted on September 24, 2007 10:09 PM — 97.89.29.93 — link — abuse?
Cock n Fire.
You still talking that crazy sh!t after you get beat. Man, I can't say enough about your dedication to your Gamecocks. You picked the gamecocks to beat LSU 51-something. What is your pick on the Mississippi St game this weekend, 75-3. Give us something just for laughs.GO DAWGS!!!
Autigerman said:
posted on September 24, 2007 10:58 PM — 72.205.222.229 — link — abuse?
Does it seem strange to anyone other then me that all these polls have very little differences?
Shouldnt the different polls show a different angle on things?Prehaps use strenght of schedule or some other factor.Even just that someones opion might be different. I hate to see so many clone polls. The top of the polls is bad enough but look at the simalarities even lower in the polls. Its obvious they dont have a unique thinking bone in there bodies.Kentucky 14,15,14 in all three polls.Clemson 13,13,13 and the list goes on and on. Seems almost laughable. I put almost no stock at all in any polls and I for one wish they would do away with all of them.
Let each conference put a champion out there and settle it on the field.TE
posted on September 25, 2007 12:09 AM — 70.180.45.10 — link — abuse? said:
LOL@Gatorstud...Is this the best the Gator nation has on this site?
Surely not...
They were ranked 12th in the nation, and they beat Georgia, which just beat a nationally ranked Alabama team (T-Mac? Anyone seen T-Mac around here today?)...
Again...16 points...If you're talking like they put up huge numbers, I've got some oceanfront property in Baton Rouge to sell you, doophis...
They went into our redzone three times...THREE times...and we gave up 16 points...
We left plenty on the field in terms of points, with a missed field goal, and a bunch of stalled out drives, miscues on special teams, shanked punts that forced us to turn over field positions, etc...
We played our worst game of the year, in terrible conditions, with a quarterback that still wasn't quite 100%, and our defense took their starting quarterback out for the 4th straight game-WHICH I PREDICTED, by the way!
Talk all you want, crow all you want about that Waterford Crystal you won last year...You got it fair and square...But, just remember whose the only defense that made your precious Urine Oscar Meyer Weiner cry-and I do mean literally CRY-after our 2005 win in Tiger Stadium...
This ain't no Ole Miss defense you're going up against, Sizzlechips...You got no defense, and you are going up against the most Darth Vadar-like defense you've ever seen...You better pray for a weather situation like the monsoon we had Saturday...That's the only way your doors won't get blown off...
Oh, and as for the @sshole comment regarding our fans...Wow...You mean, our fans Tigerbaited you? Have you NEVER heard UF fans Gatorbait you? Or perhaps the Cowbells in Starkpatch? Or any opposing team good naturedly taunt opponents or their fans?
I'm sorry your virgin ears were violated, as was your ballcoach and his team after this past Saturday...Good luck in the East...I'll take you in Atlanta ANYTIME...
TE
posted on September 25, 2007 12:27 AM — 70.180.45.10 — link — abuse? said:
FSU_FearTheSpear...
I know it's a foreign concept to you...Usually, you have to have an alma-mater, team, or program you avidly follow that is successful to be able to talk smack via the net...
(Kevin, take it easy on me...Just defending myself!)
cock'n'fire south carolina 101 said:
posted on September 25, 2007 1:00 AM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
post 50 GA (bo)Y
dood i was joking when i said 51-17...notice after that i kept saying 31-17 was my prediction...however when i made that prediction i didnt know we would be playing in a frigin waterfall of rain...i know blake mitchell cant play worth crap on a wet feild...were lucky we took him out because hes bad with snaps and just think of snaps with a wet ball...he fumbled 2 snaps be4 he got taken out...plus we played very well against LSU and beat the spread so theres not much bad you can say about the gamecocks in that game except our rushing attack sucked
GO COCKS! #16 3-1 (1-1) SEC
DMANLV said:
posted on September 25, 2007 1:22 AM — 68.224.30.32 — link — abuse?
Lennie, post 31
What does the spread have to do with anything? The spread is "not" what a team should win by, it's the "middle" used by the sports books. When a line is set it's not that they are saying LSU or USC will beat a team by that number. What they are trying to do is set a number that will entice half the betters to take the under and the other half to take the over. If the line increases or decreases it's not because they suddenly had a change of heart, it's simply more of the action is going one way so they change the line to get the bets to start going the other way. In Pete Carroll's case, do you think he's standing on the sideline saying " what was the spread on this game? Oops, We need another T.D. to cover the spread, "booty" get back in there! We need to convince "Lennie". Are you kidding me!
Regarding style points, I agree that there are some teams who need to put up some style points in hopes of jumping some other teams. Pete Carroll understands that as long as he wins out he's going to the title game and is coaching as such by using so many players in case he needs to call on them as the season unwinds. As long as USC goes undefeated he knows he's not dropping to #3.
Clemson Joe said:
posted on September 25, 2007 1:24 AM — 24.168.208.54 — link — abuse?
Cock'n'fire:
Scrambling and avoiding sacks is part of the QB position. Again, where has the passing game been if Blake is so good? Did everything just miraculously align to improve the passing game when Smelley came in? To me (and most people) that says that Mitchell sucks. This is why your beloved coach has benched him.
About Jasper, let's get one thing straight. I'm sure he is a devoted Gamecock. I don't doubt that. However, Jasper is more devoted to not being a 4th round draft pick (like Anthony Waters was, after his season ending knee injury) and actually having the opportunity to improve his stock. Each pick higher is more money. If you don't think that is the main reason, again, you have a world class drug dealer. It is good news for the Gamecocks though, as we didn't get Waters back (since he was in his last season).
I'll have to disagree with you there buddy. I've been to many games, and even on the sidelines for a few, but I've always felt that you see more when watching on TV. That's why I so love the box seats, complete with live action and TV. I hope you get the opportunity to check it out.
AUTigerman (# 51):
Well said. Bravo. I couldn't agree more.
RoverDawg said:
posted on September 25, 2007 1:36 AM — 67.191.195.117 — link — abuse?
Cock n Fire....I would like your opinion and i guess anyone else's too. Ol Steve Spurrier is well known for coaching up QB's right? I have for years noticed that NO Florida QB he coached had had ANY success at the next level. Also its peculiar to me why he yanks the QB's around like he does. Confidence goes along way at that position and none of them from Doug Johnson all the way to Rex had any clue if they would ever step on the field from one series to the next. Im now seeing it with Mitchell and Stinky. Now consider Im a dawg fan so my dislike for Spurrier is natural. But this is no attack on UF or South Carolina. Im just curious to know if anyone has thought the same and if it annoys the actual fans of his schools.
Lennie Collins
posted on September 25, 2007 1:37 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse? said:
DmanLV...are you kidding me? You are not even answering the question I asked in Comment #36! I asked am I the only one who has noticed it. Again here comes the defense of USC. Can I get someone non-bias PLEASE! By the way DmanLV I noticed you changed your handle and I still want to know what is PUDDY PIE?
DMANLV said:
posted on September 25, 2007 1:46 AM — 68.224.30.32 — link — abuse?
Who should be #1. USC is a 5/2 to win it all. If the people who put their money where their mouth is say USC is the #1 team in the country then what everyone else thinks is kind of mute. Who am I going to believe, They people who "lay" their hard earned money or everyone else who are speaking from emotion!
RoverDawg said:
posted on September 25, 2007 1:51 AM — 67.191.195.117 — link — abuse?
Not a big USC fan, but from everything I see they show up when they need to. I cant stand the schedule they play, so I feel like theyll get trounced when they play someone new, but theyve never not shown up for their bowl games. Until someone pounds them they are my #1. I dont think LSU can score enough points to beat em. Maybe Florida though.
DMANLV said:
posted on September 25, 2007 2:08 AM — 68.224.30.32 — link — abuse?
Lennie, I"ll answer your question. You keep bringing up the "spread". Again, the spread in not the bible as to what a team "will" or "should" win by and if they don't then they are not what people think they are. The coaches and the A/P vote based on a whole host of factors. If a team drops in the polls it's because that team did not play very well regardless if they did or did not cover the spread.
Hotty Toddy said:
posted on September 25, 2007 2:30 AM — 75.105.128.38 — link — abuse?
I agree with FSU_FearTheSpear.
Competitive spirit is always good, but know the limits. You can't beat anyone up with a keyboard. Not pointing anyone specifically out, because there are alot who do it. We don't live and die by college football... time doesn't stop just because your team loses.
Ole Miss hasn't got anything to show for since 2003, and yet i've kept my sanity. Haha. Amazing, huh?
SBTN Guys
posted on September 25, 2007 3:46 AM — 84.169.211.171 — link — abuse? said:
OU has moved up in the polls, but I can't see them breaking into the top two slots unless USC or LSU falls. After four weeks, we still have plenty of undefeated teams. We could easily have four unbeatens by the end of the season.
But for now, this is why Oklahoma is No. 3
Sports By The NumbersTM - University of Oklahoma
September 21, 2007 - Tulsa, Oklahoma
University of Oklahoma vs. Tulsa
4 - The number of times (4) this season that Oklahoma has scored over 50 points a contest. The most recent, a 62-21 dismantling of in-state foe Tulsa. 35,452 Oklahomans witnessed OU rack up 553 total yards versus Tulsa's 398.
18 - The number of times (18) in Oklahoma history that the Sooners have played a Friday game. OU is 10-8 overall in Friday games.
27 - Number of first downs (27) collected by OU's offensive unit. The Sooners held onto the ball for just over 30 minutes during the contest while converting on 8 of 13 third down attempts. Tulsa, which came into Friday Night's game ranked fourth in the nation in total offense, was held to 17 first downs of their own.
68 - The height in feet and inches (6'8") of OU offensive lineman Phil Loadholt. The 352-pound junior from Fountain, Colorado is the tallest player in Oklahoma history and thus far has kept his freshman quarterback Sam Bradford happy and healthy. Bradford threw for three touchdowns vs. Tulsa.
142 - Receiving yards (142) gathered in by Juaquin Iglesias on 8 receptions, which included 2 touchdowns for the junior wide receiver from Killeen, Texas. The way Iglesias is going, he is projected to haul in 1,332 yards during this season.
520 - Time left on the clock (5:20) when Mossis Madu scampered in for a 5 yard TD run. After Kicker Garrett Hartley added on the extra-point, it marked the last score of the contest . . . another victory for the 3rd ranked Sooners.
The SBTN team has recently released a new OU book entitled University of Oklahoma Football: An Interactive Guide to the World of Sports.
To see more University of Oklahoma Sports By The NumbersTM entries, visit http://www.sportsbythenumbers.com/
gatorhippy
posted on September 25, 2007 6:39 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse? said:
TE (#39 & 52):
Your comments are starting to sound eerily like the noise coming out of BR in 2003...
Surely you remember that...
When the Tigers got Zookered by a freshmen QB in the midst of their co-MNC run...
There sure was a lot of talk leading up to and all around the stadium that day...
But...
Not a Tiger soul around to do the talking afterwards...
For some reason, I'm betting you were spouting the same vitriolic blather that year as well...
But were hiding with the rest afterwards...
Nice to see you standing tall right now though...
Assuredly you'll be here if the Tigers win...
But will you be bold enough to step back in if they get Tebowed?
I'm betting not...
Lennie Collins
posted on September 25, 2007 7:26 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse? said:
Hey DmanLA(Los Angeles) or DmanUSC is more like it. Seriously though DmanLV, you said USC doesn't have to put up "STYLE POINTS" and other teams do. What are "style points"? You are right DmanLV in that statement. I would pat you on the back and buy you lunch if you were here next to me. I agree with you 100% on the statement. USC could lose a game and will still get in. LSU is the only team if you agree or not that has beaten 2 Top 15 teams yet still trail USC. I hate to disappoint everyone BUT I have not and will not fall deeply in love with USC! USC is in because the voters are going to put them there. If USC earn their way I gots no problem BUT don't put them there because the voters believe that is the game people want to see. Remember Miami and Nebraska when Oregon earned their way there to play. So basically you are saying USC is favorite 5/2 to win it all. What does that have to do with it? Who do you think gave USC those odds? The same people who make the point spread! Las Vegas! It should be determine on the field!
gatorstud said:
posted on September 25, 2007 7:47 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
some of us try to be humble and post honest thoughts about the college games..but when people like TE # 39 come on and make EXCUSES for the way his team played...
"oh, the weather was bad" (sniff, sniff) or
"the recievers got the drops"..(sniff,sniff) &
"we played our worst game of the year..(sniff, sniff)....he just cant accept that his team didn't perfom up to standards...he has to make excuses for them....
but that's ok....lsu is the one that has to live up to the hype....florida wasn't supposed to be good this year, so all the pressure is on lsu...just like it was on ohio state last january, and we all saw how it worked for them...
so go ahead..te....keep making excuses...
anyway...we have auburn this week, and that is not a game to look past....meanwhile..."MIGHTY" lsu has to play tulane......well TE, i wonder what excuses you will use next week....
go gators...and hokies
gatorstud said:
posted on September 25, 2007 11:17 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
kev.....you should have that ((cough)) looked at....looks serious...could fester into something worse that makes you cry when your team wins but doesn't perform how you like.....just ask TE.....
and you don't want that.....
go gators...and hokies
posted on September 25, 2007 12:42 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Boy, Tiger Educated, you sure are sounding like an arrogant prick on here lately. What other possible reason could justify the smack you're talking? So LSU has a good team this year. Win it all and I'm sure we'll agree. But these little diatribes expunging how great your team is and how bad they're going to blow out their next opponent is synonymous with having an inferiority complex. Quite a bad one, too.
"I think you'll also note that Kevin can vouch for the smack I run...I usually back it up, as does my team..."
You mentioned that last quote a few days ago. I'm curious: Do you yourself back it up on the field because you're an LSU player? Or does Miles motivate his team by extolling the need to back up some cheez-ball fan's online bravado?
Well???
I'm sure you'll retort by saying that LSU will beat Auburn by 50 on 10/20/07. It'll probably be up to 60 by gametime.
BTW: France and the low countries were invaded by Germany in 1940, not 1941. I guess history isn't included in the 'Educated' curriculum...
Autigerman said:
posted on September 25, 2007 1:06 PM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
Who does these polls anyway. The AP poll consist of sports writers (underline writers),from around the country.Not nessasrily experts, maybe not even former players but writers. The same guys that while we were knocking heads on friday nights in high school were home studing for a midterm. During peewee games they were on the side lines watching wishing they could go read a book.
The coaches poll you would think could be better but school and conference loyalty would certainly play a part and could never be a fair analysist.It would definatly be plaqued by bias even as fans have bias.
The harris interactive poll is conducted by a research company.....lol
Hey heres an idea. Lets play football and the winners of each conference will represent that conference. Where would i get such a novel idea you ask? From when i was knocking heads around on friday nights while these same bozos were figuring out how to get a date for prom.Its the way its done everywhere except in college football. Thats why we didnt let them (the writers)on the team,this is just their cruel way to get back at all college fans for not letting them play ball and missing the prom.
TE
posted on September 25, 2007 1:32 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
First off, you guys are weak...If you had been here back in 2003, you'd have known I was here the ENTIRE time prior to and after our defeat, and I never...never EVER make excuses...
I was here before the game, and I told everyone that we'd play poorly on defense without Jack Hunt, though I had NO CLUE that Ed Zaunbrecher and a freshman quarterback named Chris Leak, who would go on to win a national championship and set total offense records in the SEC, would outsmart, outcoach, and totally outmanuever Saban and his vaunted #1 defense that Saturday...
It didn't help matters that our offense played very poorly against what no one was calling a great defense. Mike Clayton, Matt Mauck and Co. were definitely out of sorts...
I made no excuses then, and I don't make excuses now...
FACT: The weather on Saturday was total crap. It negated an obvious skill position player advantage we had, though our depth and superior talent along both lines was apparent, as Charles Alexander-the starter at DT opposite Glen Dorsey-tore his ACL and was lost for the year the week leading up to the USC game, and our All-American Guard Will Arnold is also now gimpy and possibly might have seen his career come to a close against MTSU with a bad set of wheels, knees and ankles (I saw him on Vespa-ing up to the Football Ops Center Saturday in streetclothes; his is the gnarliest knee I've seen...ever...Imagine a scar the size and shape of a coke can as if it were inserted slightly below the kneecap...That's what Will's right knee looked like on Saturday)...
So, we lose some of our best talent along the lines, and we still dominate...We had 200 yards rushing in the 1st half...and we left points on the board...our starter at QB had a terrible game, his worst in his young history at the position...These are all indisputable facts...
We went away from the run late, which the Cocks couldn't stop...This is fact...born out by stats (300+ rushing offense), and tried to force crucial conversions late via the pass...and that was just not smart football. Les Miles said so himself yesterday on the innaugural Mike Tirico show...
So, none of those are excuses...those are FACTS. We dominated while playing poorly. Straight up. If you don't like the facts, them lump them...
Just get ready for your fashion show down in Death Valley...7:30pm...That stadium's going to ROCK...
Rammer Jammer said:
posted on September 25, 2007 2:09 PM — 199.89.170.92 — link — abuse?
TE
Seriously, your infatuation with Nick S. is getting old (actually, you are starting to weird me out a little bit). You always seem to mention him in every one of your posts. Maybe you should seek help??? I'm sure there are plenty of witch doctors in the N.O. area ready to make some extra cash.
We understand that you don't like him. We understand that he is the root cause of everything evil in this world. Oh yeah, I almost forgot; he also curses. (Ooooohhhhhh)
For crying out loud, GET OVER IT
TE
posted on September 25, 2007 2:13 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
Dude...He got outcoached, and gatorhippy and gatorstud and the other gatorflunkies were referencing our upcoming game and when we beat them...he was our coach at that time...Am I supposed to get the past?
As a history major, I was always taught that those who do not learn from it are doomed to repeat it...the past, that is...
Trust me, I could take or leave the guy, but I've got perspective when the subject comes up...and I'm far from fixated...I think that was all of about two sentences worth of the post anyway...
In other words, thanks for noticing the sapling at your feet there...Care to look up and notice the Black Forest spreading out in front of you?
GatorGreg said:
posted on September 25, 2007 2:23 PM — 66.89.151.21 — link — abuse?
@78. Gatorflunkies? If only I had majored in History I might have graduated. Damn the Computer Science BS and my MBA. The regrets I have from college, to think, I could have become a history teacher thats talks sh*$ on his lunch break
Rammer Jammer said:
posted on September 25, 2007 2:29 PM — 199.89.170.92 — link — abuse?
"Care to look up and notice the Black Forest spreading out in front of you"?Sure...
How about you? Go back and look at your posts. At least 70% of them have Nick Saban's name in there somewhere.
Whether it's 1 sentence or 10; the common denominator is still there.
Spartacus
posted on September 25, 2007 2:58 PM — 71.103.225.30 — link — abuse? said:
Peeps:
My Top Ten:
1. So Cal
2. L.S.U.
3. Oklahoma
4. Ohio State
5. Florida
6. West Virginia
7. Texas
8. Oregon
9. California
10. RutgersTrojans are rollin' and look like they cannot be stopped on offense. LSU did not play a bad game against the Cocks. The only concern was that Smelley lit that secondary up somewhat - and Flynn had an off game. Sometimes a team just does not want to show all it's cards too soon though. In this case it was Hester (the FB) getting the ball seventeen times. Oklahoma looks monstrous still - but continues to beat up on cupcake teams. Miami has redeamed themselves somewhat though. Of all the top teams - Oklahoma will play the softest schedule. The Bucks are starting to come on. I figured they would have something to prove this year. They may be better than they really were last year. The Gators cannot be "up" for every game. Florida was terrible against the spread last year. They only seem to just win games. West Virginia does not play anybody with any defense whatsoever. Since they refuse to schedule any decent OOC games - I refuse to take them very seriously (meaning that I would never give them a Title shot). Texas has been hot and cold. It's very possible that this is the team that could beat Oklahoma. Oregon has been playing very well offensively - but does not have the defense to contend with USC. Same goes for California. Oregon may beat California this weekend in Eugene. Rutgers is the most amazing program in the land. I think this team is for real. They play tougher defense than any other Big East team. They will probably take that conference.
Tommie Trojan
Eye of the Tiger said:
posted on September 25, 2007 3:04 PM — 138.163.0.43 — link — abuse?
Cock-N-Fire,
I heard some of your thoughts on the game, but you didn't mention if you thought the game was as close as the score showed. Can I hear something else besides all your excuses such as, LSU's defense is a lot better than you thought, or maybe, USC's offense really might not be that good? Let me hear it..."Yeah but the wet field, blah, blah, blah, and I got soaked, blah,"LOL. I was fine with the score be/c you could see we were just toying with them in the 4th quarter, or 2nd quarter through the 4th quarter for that matter. Well, hope your feelings weren't too hurt by the name calling(Tiger Bait!), and I hope you at least managed to have a good time while in the great state of Louisiana.
BTW: I truly hope we get to meet USC in the Georgia Dome. I like your optomism.
Spartacus
posted on September 25, 2007 3:53 PM — 71.103.225.30 — link — abuse? said:
Tiger Eye:
No, Oregon has given up 21 to Fresno and 31 to Stanford. It's the same old lousy defense that they have always had. The offense is better - but the key is to never let them have the ball. The Trojans will run all over them and they'll never have the pig. I think that the quacks may beat Cal this weekend though. I'm not overly impressed with either team though. I see the PAC as being business as usual this year. I will say that it looks as if Stanford might be the surprise team this year. They look to be improved over last year. Cal and Oregon always get out to fast starts and then fade out as the year rolls on.
Tommie Trojan
TE
posted on September 25, 2007 4:06 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
Dude...I meant Gatorflunkies not as people who didn't receive their degrees from Gainesville, but as fans of the Gators...Like a low-level office flunky...Like the characters off of Office Space...
You won't find me denigrating anyone on here as some Tejas fans did earlier this year regarding education, relative hayseediness, etc...Not my style...I'm going to talk merely about the play on the field, and any pertinent issues relating to it that may occur off the field.
I am proud of your righteous indignation over my perceived sleight of you and all your fellow Gatorade Drinking fans here...But, as is all to often the case in life, perception and reality are usually two very different looking animals...
Like the perception that Florida will play with LSU, versus the reality you'll experience (though you may use a few more expletives as opposed to the aforementioned term after the fact) when the game's over.
LSU 35-Florida-17
Book it.
TE
posted on September 25, 2007 4:17 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
Touche, War Eagle Atlanta...Touche! I actually looked that up after you said it...The one thing in terms of an inferiority complex I'll admit to is getting corrected on military history...That was my favorite...
Anyway, as for the prickford allusions...They were talking about "backing it up" by asking whether I'd be here win or lose, and whether I was here after the 2003 Gators/LSU tilt in Tigre Stadium...Which I certainly was, and Mr. Donahue can vouch for that. We got outplayed that game...Our bread and butter on defense in that scheme (I can't mention the coach by name for fear that others will infer that I am fixated on him) at that time under that staff was wholesale substitutions based on down and distance...and Zaunbrecher went with a quick huddle, breaking for the line always with more than :20 on the clock, and had Leak doing check with mes at the lines since he couldn't even come close to reading those exotic blitz/coverage packages we were throwing at people at the time.
They also picked out the Achilles' tendon of that staff's defense. The only team all year that picked it and made it bleed...Ole Miss, Georgia (in both games), and OU all saw it but could not exploit it...But Zaunbrecher bled us to death on all of their scoring drives by hitting the running back out of the backfield and dragging the tight end.
I'll admit to what a good gameplan it was, and try to refrain from admitting it was one of the few times that an opposing coach did a better job at his job than our coaches did at theirs during the five year stretch that regime was here...
I ain't skeered to call a spade a spade...and I'm confident because this team makes me that way...
But, again...thanks for keeping me in check on the Historical references...'Preciate you...
Mr. McAteer said:
posted on September 25, 2007 4:32 PM — 71.206.247.138 — link — abuse?
hey spartacus
its not that WVU refuses to play good OOC opponents its that they refuse to play us
its all good though because we have already scheduled Florida St, Auburn and your team Mich St
so i hope Dantonio can bring your team up to our level because beating Pitt 17 to 10 just won't cut against my Mountaineers otherwise they will regret ever scheduling us
1GatorMatt
posted on September 25, 2007 4:53 PM — 68.101.66.219 — link — abuse? said:
TE,
You remind me of another ass that used to frequent this site. His name was IrishJT. He loved to post his nonsense last season when Notre Dame was "successful" I guess we'll call it. I'm wondering, where will you be when the Tigers slip?
Lennie Collins
posted on September 25, 2007 5:25 PM — 71.42.72.178 — link — abuse? said:
Post #81...That is why they play the games. With all these upsets over the last four weeks I am not gonna say USC, LSU, or OU are a lock to play in the National Title Game. I got this feeling that when conference play starts there are going to be some upsets. USC should beat UW, OU should beat CU, and LSU should no doubt beat TU. But the way things are going, upsets are possible. This week for the Top 3 that is unlikely!
S&G.bulletrain said:
posted on September 25, 2007 6:08 PM — 68.225.36.129 — link — abuse?
Tommie T,
I like your comments wrt West Virginia and the fact that they refuse to play any notable OOC teams. In my opinion they will not finish in the top 10 this year. Losing to Rutgers, and the dark horse which has looked great...Cincy.
In fact I'm actually surprised that Pete C. scheduled the Buckeyes for the next couple of years. It takes a lot of guts given the fact the Buckeyes could potentially return 19 starters from this year.
Regardless in my opinion you have to respect both programs for hanging it out that early.
Thoughts??
Geauxtigers0107 said:
posted on September 25, 2007 7:31 PM — 144.5.224.142 — link — abuse?
I'm happy that So. Cal is still ranked #1 and hope they remain there....it gives my Tigers something to shoot for. Complacency once on top can be a bitch. The fact remains that we still have a tough schedule to play. The game against the Gamecocks was a good win against a talented team, though their offense has had questions in the past weeks. Considering the weather killed anyones passing game, we adapted and ran the ball well. Are we unstoppable??? Absolutely not. The game against the Gators will be by far the toughest yet. The only consolation is that it's in Baton Rouge. IMO they should have been ranked #1 in all preseason polls. Tebow is the real deal. The questions eveyone had going into this season were 1)could he manage an entire game and 2)could he do more than run the ball every down? I think he's answered both questions completely. He's completed something like 75% of his passes. That's insane numbers...like him or not. Fact is, our defense will have their hands full with him but I do think we'll pull out a close one...(fingers crossed..lol). Looking for a 24-20 type game. Don't know what the line will be but it shouldn't be far from that. And don't care about the line...I care about W's. So if losing and still covering the spread satisfies you (cock n fire) then so be it. Humble pie doesn't taste too good after a loss so if you can put a little ice cream on it to help the taste, go right ahead. @TE, I appreciate your passion for the Tigers as mine is just as great but let's win graciously. Too many times I've seen die hards get on here and go off on folks after a win. I believe this is from never getting respected in the national media. But this is one of the things that fuels our team. Looking down the road at our schedule, you must agree that the toughest is yet to come.
Geaux SEC
Geaux TigersGeauxtigers0107 said:
posted on September 25, 2007 7:38 PM — 144.5.224.142 — link — abuse?
Oh and congrats to the Ga Dawgs on a sweet victory against the Tide. I honestly wanted the Tigers to be the one that handed them their first loss but, come to think of it, they would have had alot of momentum built up by then and sometimes Mo on your side (esp when you're at home) can overcome other deficiencies (sp?).
Thinkin - Never know what's gonna happen in the SEC!!!
Geaux SEC
Geaux TigersBevo Boy said:
posted on September 25, 2007 9:52 PM — 207.200.116.5 — link — abuse?
Honestly, nobody respects the Big 12. I know that they have had their problems in some of the bigger games (nebraska vs. usc, atm vs. miami), but Nebraska could contend with most teams, just they aren't quite ready for the top 5 or 10 teams. Texas is better than most people give them credit for, and I don't care who they're playing, OU looks as good as anyone. The SEC is a deep conference, but people think that no other team (exception USC) can play with them. If they played head-to-head with the Big 12, OU over LSU, UF over Texas, then the sec would win most of the rest because of their depth. The SEC doesn't always have the top team like most people think, but they are easily the deepest.
1GatorMatt
posted on September 25, 2007 10:27 PM — 68.101.66.219 — link — abuse? said:
#91,
Looking a bit far ahead aren't you? There's still 8 games left (probably 9 for LSU and Florida). The date you should be the most concerned about is October 6th. Caldwell will be back by then. Let's see how good LSU's secondary is. They will be tested
Geauxtigers0107 said:
posted on September 25, 2007 11:04 PM — 144.5.224.142 — link — abuse?
1GatorMatt:
Very true. Caldwell will try and stretch the defense with his speed and great hands though Percy is the guy I'm worried about. Question is, will Tebow have time for him to get down field? Also, let's not forget about Craig Stelz in our secondary...He's got 4 pix on the year and the team as a whole has 9...in 4 games. Couple that with the fact that your passing offense is ranked 28th in the country and our passing defense is #1...but you know what they say....that's why they play the games. I respect the Gators passing game and the team as a whole so it should be a great match up. Don't get caught looking past Auburn though. Tuberville is due for a good win, though his team doesn't play like they want one. You should definitely blow these guys out but the Ole Miss game has me wondering....hhmmmmmm. Another testament to the SEC is what I say. Good luck this weekend, though you won't need it. But the following weekend may be a different story.
Geaux SEC
Geaux TigersGeauxtigers0107 said:
posted on September 25, 2007 11:07 PM — 144.5.224.142 — link — abuse?
Another thing to worry about for my Tigers is after facing a capable Florida offense, we have to travel to pass-happy Kentucky and check out there Heisman candidate QB, Andre Woodson. Damn, who's next...the Patriots??....LOL. No doubt they will be up for the game.
Geaux SEC
Geaux TigersDMANLV said:
posted on September 25, 2007 11:51 PM — 68.224.30.32 — link — abuse?
Lennie, We are talking about USC and yes I am a homer. Not because I grew up watching USC or went there for my education. I have become a fan of USC the last couple of years because I at times marvel at Pete Carroll's coaching philosophy. You can call me a bandwagon fan of all teams I've liked through the years whether It's been John Wooden, Mike Soccia, Augie Garrido or Jerry Tarkanian. It's the coaching style and philosophy of these coaches that causes me to become a fan of their respective institutions. Regarding the "voters", aren't the voters also the coaches?. So are you saying college coaches are voting for USC because they are just USC or could it be they understand the game as well as anyone and are voting USC #1 because in their opinion think they are the #1 team. Coaches around the country aren't going to use their vote for USC simply because they are USC. That seems to be what you are implying.
1GatorMatt
posted on September 25, 2007 11:54 PM — 68.101.66.219 — link — abuse? said:
#91,
Can we borrow one of your free safeties? Our starter, Kyle Jackson, can't seem to tackle. Major Wright will be the next Reggie Nelson....not this year though. Our secondary is way too young. Tony Joiner can't handle it by himself. I'm not too worried about Tebow being able to get a pass off. If he can't, much like in the LSU game, he'll take matters in his own hands. If your defenders try and tackle his upper body, they'll be feeling it in the morning. I'm somewhat nervous about it, but it will be a hell of a game nontheless
Lennie Collins
posted on September 26, 2007 1:10 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse? said:
Hey DmanLV...you are in control of your mind. The way you pick your teams there isn't a thing wrong with it. DmanLV you are alright by me. You are right in a sense that the voters are coaches. They are also former players, former coaches, and sports writers. Doing the USC/WSU game one of the announcers stated that Florida was going to go down in the polls because they did not "look good" in beating Mississippi. Soon after that he stated that it does not matter how USC plays the rest of the season "they are a lock" ta get in the National Championship. DmanLV I AM NOT QUESTIONING THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA TROJANS FOOTBALL TEAM. I AM NOT SAYING THAT THEY ARE NOT GOOD. I just think it is flat out silly that LSU, OU, UF, or any other TOP 8 team got to win impressive to leap one another to play USC which is in, REGARDLESS. The coaches are going to go by what is played on the field? You think that ALL coaches don't have biases against or for teams or conferences. Terv Alberts is actually one of the voters and I know he would not vote for OU to be #1 or #2. He said that he did not like Robert Stoops before he got fired from ESPN. Hey DmanLV you love USC and there is nothing wrong with why you like them. I am not ready to crown them the "Invincibles" of the 2007 college football season. You take care man. By the way I have a good friend in Las Vegas who also goes by the name Dman(7).
DMANLV said:
posted on September 26, 2007 5:56 AM — 68.224.30.32 — link — abuse?
Lennie, I agree that it is silly that teams need to put up style points. It I think has a very negative effect on sportsmanship and respect for your peers. But, under this system all teams to some degree are effected by it including USC. USC lost about 15 first place votes after the Idaho game because it didn't end 63-3 or whatever. Many people out there think that's what it should of been for USC to be #1. That is also why I like Pete Carroll so much. He decided it was better in the larger scheme of things to get as many players playing and not to run-up or keep the score down but to get some game exp. for some players he knows he'll need to call on as the season goes on. USC scored a T.D. easily the first three times it had the ball, while Idaho could barely move the ball their first three poss.'s. It was obvious after 2 min's had gone by in the second quarter this game could of been 63-3, but for Pete C. he completely understands the larger picture and knows nobody will remember the Idaho game if they go undefeated. I call this the Texas syndrome for Pete C.. he has so evolved as a coach and is coaching quite different than at the start with USC. The "texas" syndrome is Pete C. doesn't ever want to depend on a 3rd stringer and two walk-on's like he did against texas (John Walker & the Ting brothers). That situation is a story that I'd like someone to write about and the incredible impact that it's had on his change in recruiting and coaching style simply because of that game. That really is a very interesting story that is so obvious yet the ave. fan doesn't recognize.
Lastly, I'm more of a Pete Carroll homer than I am a USC homer. If Pete Carroll left USC tomorrow for say Montana than I'm sure I'd be watching "grizzly" football.
Lennie Collins
posted on September 26, 2007 9:03 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse? said:
DmanLV...you are correct when you said USC lost some first place votes after that game. They did not lose many. That's what I am getting at that mainly the preseason #1 team(I should have said instead of USC) gets more slack than #2-#10. It happen last year when Ohio State won against Northwestern and Illinois.
AUTigers03 said:
posted on September 26, 2007 11:42 AM — 74.239.251.222 — link — abuse?
Here my Top Ten
1 LSU
2 Oklahoma
3 USC
4 Florida
5 WV
6 Wisconsin
7 Cal
8 Ohio State
9 Rutgers
10 TexasNotice that no ACC team is in mine or any other top ten. What's wrong with them this year? I have seen BC and Clemson play this year and they are good teams but I don't think that they could compete with the elite teams this year. And what is going on in the state of Florida, FSU and Miami could you get any worse? Never would have thouht that South Florida would be the #2 team in that state with UCF a failing third.
LSU just has it all this year great defence and offence. The Sooners are beating down everone they play. USC is good but as usual are a little bit overratted, they are not unbeatable as ESPN would have us all believe. Florida is good as well and if they can get by LSU with a W then I will give them my top vote. But watch out you will be playing them twice and if they lose they can be spoilers in the SEC championship game.Spartacus
posted on September 26, 2007 2:50 PM — 71.103.225.30 — link — abuse? said:
Mr. McAteer:
Don't get me wrong dude (it's Spartacus aka Tommie Trojan). I think that the Spartans is a cool name - but I'm Trojan through and through. The play on Spartacus is because if he had ever seen the Trojans play ball - he would have thrown down his sword and became a citizen of Troy. I appreciate the fact that West Virginia has scheduled some tougher competition in the future - and I know that they have. It's just a little late is all. Better late than never. Actually, their program blasted off way sooner than they expected for it to. The game plan for building the program is solid and Rodriguez is a great coach. But the fact is that WVU just does not play any decent OOC competition. It's hard for voters and the computers to rank them any higher - because there is no yardstick to compare them with. It's a shame. With Slaton and White back there - they could have given many of the upper tier teams a tough game.
S&G.bulletrain:
Yep, great home and home: USC vs Ohio State. But, that is how National Championship's are created. The winner of each game has an inside edge in the polls. I think that the Bucks will be built to contend next year - with the Trojan's again primed for 2009. I don't think that it takes alot of guts - but I do think that it takes alot of brains. The Bucks and Texas enjoyed the same success with their home and home. Texas won the game in 2005 and eventually won the NC. Ohio State beat Texas early last year and rode that all the way into "the game". So, Tressel seems to know what he is doing and has found willing participants in Mack Brown and Pete Carroll. This is what it is all about. All Hail Ohio State, Texas and USC for scheduling these marquee OOC games!
Tommie Trojan
posted on September 26, 2007 3:33 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Hey Tommie: Spartacus was neither a Trojan nor a Spartan. He was basically a Roman, i.e. Italian, not Greek. Anyway, welcome back. I think Kevin should reclaim the Tommie Trojan moniker from the cyber-squatter who doesn't use it and return it to it's rightful owner.
Spartacus
posted on September 26, 2007 3:54 PM — 71.103.225.30 — link — abuse? said:
War Eagle Atlanta:
A roman? Well, don't that just beat all. Shows how stupid I am. Well, he would have renounced his citizenship also and joined Troy - had he only had the chance to watch the game.
Hey, I'm pullin' for your boyz this weekend in the "Swamp". In fact, it's my pick of the week against the spread: Florida will not cover against Auburn this coming weekend! Hope your guys bounce back. They did a great job of controlling that gunslinger from New Mexico State last week. I actually lost that one. I didn't think that the Tigers would cover in that one - but man, they sure smashed those guys. Hey, whose this RB Lester and how important is he to the team?Tommie Trojan
posted on September 26, 2007 4:23 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Tommie: Don't fret. We all confuse those ancient Romans and Greeks. I used to think that Spartacus was from Sparta, hence the name. I finally looked it up. Oh well...
Yea, I imagine Auburn will pick up a few additional fans this weekend. Quite a few teams in the hunt need the Gators to fall. We'll take all the support we can get. I'm betting that it'll be tough on you to root against the Gators this week but then root for them next week against LSU. The Auburn coaches are probably showing the kids film from that beat-down of Tennessee, trying to put the fear of God in them. Auburn usually does okay when expectations are low. 18 is quite a spread, but I won't even proffer a guess, because in 23 seasons of considering Auburn games with a spread, I don't ever recall having been right once!
Lester is a good back, but I'm not quite sure he has anything over the sophomore and RS freshman we have in there now, other than experience. We get him back next week, so we'll see.
Spartacus
posted on September 26, 2007 4:33 PM — 71.103.225.30 — link — abuse? said:
War Eagle Atlanta:
It's never too tough to hope that all SEC teams beat up on each other. In fact - it's great fun to watch the spectacle begin. That's why everybody hates my Trojans - because there just isn't anybody out here who can do the job regularly. But no, I do enjoy a complete SEC bloodbath on occasion. I agree with most points made by SEC fans though - it really is the "toughest" conference. I don't agree that the PAC "just sucks" though. I think we're just a bit behind the SEC with USC in complete control of the conference right now. I am hopin' for a USC vs SEC winner in the BCS National Championship this year. So, I don't know if I'd really like for Auburn to beat Florida or not. I'd prefer that an unbeaten Florida and LSU play for the conference championship - and that the winner go on to play the mighty Trojans. This would ensure that a one-loss SEC team cannot be left out - should Oklahoma, Ohio State or West Virginia run the table. So, I will root for Florida to win - but not cover on the points.
Tommie Trojan
Tomcat said:
posted on September 26, 2007 7:38 PM — 69.148.173.234 — link — abuse?
#105 AUTigers03 I completely agree with your top ten list and enjoyed your post.
Welcome back Tommie T kinda sucks that someone ripped off your handle.I beleive that Sparticus was a gladiator-hence a slave, coulda been from North Africa or Spain.
#106 You mentioned the big OCC games that we as fans what to see, unfortunately this did help the Huskers or the Hogs with their home & home series con USC.
Adios TomcatLennie Collins
posted on September 26, 2007 7:48 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse? said:
AUTigers03...if you were here next to me I would HIGH 5 YA and BUY YOU DINNER. Finally someone post a comment not praising USC and giving them the crown of "THE INVINCABLES". I do not agree with you about them being overrated. I have to pat DmanLV on the back because a team that beats good and decent teams in my book is not overrated! They have beaten Auburn, Virginia Tech, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Notre Dame when they were good.
Zac said:
posted on September 26, 2007 10:57 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
"West Virginia does not play anybody with any defense whatsoever. Since they refuse to schedule any decent OOC games - I refuse to take them very seriously (meaning that I would never give them a Title shot)… Rutgers is the most amazing program in the land. I think this team is for real. They play tougher defense than any other Big East team. They will probably take that conference."
Post 81, Spartacus, you call yourself. "I'm Spartacus!!!" Relax; it's just another movie quote. Of course, you know what happened to him. He was crucified. Odd thing, the Romans did to him. You seem bent upon doing it yourself.
You weren't around when Kevin posted a thread, where-by Rivals had rated WVU's schedule #21. (Did you ever make the move to KS?) Recently in another blog, I think it was Sporting News ranked their schedule #23. But, let's forget about that for a moment.
How many times have different bloggers argued about who sets schedules? While we're at it, where are the offers from the LSU's, MI's, or USC's of the world offering home/home series with WVU? No, one of them would rather play Syracuse. So much for scheduling strength.
But enough about WVU, who you don't take seriously. Let's talk about that amazing team, Rutgers. There's a team that knows how to pick a non-conference schedule. Let's see, we have Army, Buffalo, Navy, & perennial power Norfolk St. And defense??? In Piscataway, Navy ran for more yards on Rutgers than the total yards WVU allowed at MD.
It was last year that Rutgers had an awesome "D". WVU beat that with a 2nd string QB. What I find really funny is, last year you had more respect for WVU - weak schedule and all. But this, I don't understand where're you're coming from.
Oh, yeah, S&GBulletrain, "thoughts" (Post 93)? Since you asked, how about ya quit kissing Tommy T's butt. You're doing fine with your own thoughts without using his.
It just so happens you and I are about on the same page. The games at MD, S FL, and Rutgers were the 3 that scared me the most. That is, until Cinci proved they too are worthy. From the beginning I figured WVU to repeat last year's efforts: 11-2, ranked 10th. If their defense can continue to improve (We'll see Friday night.), they've got a legitimate shot at getting through the rest unscathed.
Does this mean I think they're better than LSU, USC, or even OK? Not at this point; I haven't seen enough; none of us have. If things continue as they are, I'd have no complaints with the rankings as they are. Question is, will they continue?
gatorstud said:
posted on September 27, 2007 8:22 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
ok fsu fans....here is a little tidbit that popped up this morning about cheating goin on at fsu....i hope for your guys sake there isn't more to this....
http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20070927/NEWS/70927008/1016
good luck....
go gators...and hokies
gatorhippy
posted on September 27, 2007 9:44 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
G-Stud (#118):
Here's a more detailed article from today's Orlando Sentinel...
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-fsu2707sep27,0,3377784.story?coll=orl_tab02_layout
Sheds new light on the academic suspensions on the FSU team before the start of the season...
AUTigers03 said:
posted on September 27, 2007 10:51 AM — 74.239.251.222 — link — abuse?
Thanks Lennie
Nice to have some support for my thoughts on here.DmanLV Well lets take last year for Example USC lost to O ST and UCLA but many believed that they should have gotten the title shot ahead of Florida. Now with out a single game against a good team,Nebraska doesn't count anymore because of Ball State ESPN still prays to them like some kinda GOD. Sorry I just don't see it. Not that they are a Bad team just not the Gods of CF.
DMANLV said:
posted on September 29, 2007 2:53 AM — 68.224.30.32 — link — abuse?
Look AUTIGER, First, after USC lost to UCLA I don't recall anyone saying they should of been in the NATL title game, so I"m not sure who these "many" people are. Second, USC has played as strong a schedule the last 5 years as anyone in college football and at 62-6 the numbers speak for themselves. As for Nebraska, they are still a ranked team. Should they be, No. but, neither should S. Carolina, Alabama or Georgia. These schools get ranked because of their reputation and conf. affiliation. I haven't found one person here at the books that think highly of those teams, while teams like Cinn, So. Florida and a host of teams that weren't ranked at that time were thought of as better teams. BTW, Wash St & Nebraska are good teams, not great teams, Just like Alabama, Georgia and S. Carolina. So don't get caught up in this "well my team beat a ranked team" and "your team did not". As of this point Teams like USC and LSU have only played some good teams (Virginia Tech like Nebraska both highly overrated), While Oklahoma has played two very poor teams and a Miami team that is a shadow of it's former self. As far as USC/ESPN are concerned, USC has a huge fanbase nationally and are an elite team. When you have the success USC has had along with their fanbase ESPN of course is going to make them a centerpiece of thier commentary. If it was turned around and it was your favorite team I'm sure you would have no problem with it, so at least don't be disingenuous about it. This last statement is not a dig at you, just trying be "real" about it.
S&G.bulletrain said:
posted on September 30, 2007 4:59 PM — 68.225.36.129 — link — abuse?
Post #115:
I'm not kissing anyone's butt. I hate the Trojan's, but I respect them as well. There's a lot of tradition between TOSU and TUSC. In the past 100 years (give or take) we have lined up against each other at the "G-daddy" a "few" times.
It's an OOC rivalry that has a lot of history, and it is simply grand that they will face each other again within the BCS era.
ZAC,
I'm sorry that you feel this way. Trust me...I was screaming with joy when U-Dub put the hurt on the Trojan's last night.
R/ S&G
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posted on September 23, 2007 5:10 PM — link — abuse?Wow. Florida's lackluster game against Ole Miss cost them all of their first place votes in the AP poll. Ouch.