October 14, 2007
College Football Top 25 Polls - Week 8 - 2007
Here are the college football top 25 polls for week eight - games played through October 13, 2007.
Bowl Championship Series
1. Ohio State
2. South Florida
3. Boston College
4. LSU
5. Oklahoma
6. South Carolina
7. Kentucky
8. Arizona State
9. West Virginia
10. Oregon
11. Virginia Tech
12. California
13. Kansas
14. USC
15. Florida
16. Missouri
17. Auburn
18. Hawaii
19. Virginia
20. Georgia
21. Tennessee
22. Texas
23. Cincinnati
24. Texas Tech
25. Michigan
AP Top 25 College Football Poll
1. Ohio State (50)
2. South Florida (11)
3. Boston College (1)
4. Oklahoma (1)
5. LSU (1)
6. South Carolina
7. Oregon
8. Kentucky
9. West Virginia
10. California
11. Virginia Tech
12. Arizona State (1)
13. USC
14. Florida
15. Missouri
15. Kansas
17. Hawaii
18. Auburn
19. Texas
20. Tennessee
21. Georgia
22. Texas Tech
23. Cincinnati
24. Michigan
25. Kansas State
USA Today Coaches College Football Top 25 Poll
1. Ohio State (56)
2. Boston College (1)
3. South Florida (3)
4. Oklahoma
5. LSU
6. Oregon
7. West Virginia
8. South Carolina
9. USC
9. California
11. Virginia Tech
12. Arizona State
13. Kentucky
14. Florida
15. Kansas
16. Hawaii
17. Missouri
18. Texas
19. Auburn
20. Georgia
21. Texas Tech
22. Tennessee
23. Cincinnati
24. Virginia
25. Penn State
Harris Interactive
1. Ohio State (110)
2. Boston College
3. South Florida (2)
4. Oklahoma
5. LSU (1)
6. South Carolina
7. Oregon
8. West Virginia
9. USC
10. California
11. Kentucky
12. Arizona State (1)
13. Virginia Tech
14. Florida
15. Kansas
16. Hawaii
17. Missouri
18. Texas
19. Auburn
20. Georgia
21. Texas Tech
22. Tennessee
23. Cincinnati
24. Virginia
25. Michigan
Master Coaches Poll
1. Ohio State (16)
2. Oklahoma
3. Boston College
4. (tie) LSU
4. (tie) South Florida
6. USC
7. Oregon
8. California
9. South Carolina
10. Florida
11. West Virginia
12. Kentucky
13. Virginia Tech
14. Arizona State
15. Kansas
16. Missouri
17. Hawaii
18. Texas
19. Auburn
20. Tennessee
21. Michigan
22. Texas Tech
23. Penn State
24. Illinois
25. Cincinnati
Comments:
T-Mac
posted on October 14, 2007 3:31 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
said:
T-Mac gives mad props to Kentucky!
Great game.
Where is tigereducated?
He used words like, destroy and beatdown regarding LSU's opponents since the spring.
T-Mac thinks he got educated not to do that from now on!
T-Mac is not saying, he told you so.
Just a life lesson.
LSU can still get in.
It's gut check time no doubt.
T-Mac sends a shout out to all his Doggs on Fanblogs.
T-Mac will post when he can.
*T-Mac approved this message.OU-Ron
posted on October 14, 2007 3:46 PM — 72.198.24.199 — link — abuse? said:
By the way the undefeated teams are dropping like infected fly’s, I like where Oklahoma and LSU is sitting. I think it’s a big possibility that OSU, S Fla, and BC will drop one by the end of the season. The balance of LSU’s games all look winnable and OU should beat Iowa St, ATM and Baylor with trouble at Tex Tech and Okla St, but I think we will win out. We may not get to the NC game, but it will be interesting
Lennie Collins
posted on October 14, 2007 4:04 PM — 67.67.223.182 — link — abuse? said:
Hey OU Ron it is going to be very interesting the rest of the season. Boston College next game is a loss at Virginia Tech. They also have to play Florida State and at Miami. I believe Ohio State will lose at Penn State or at Michigan. South Florida has to play at Rutgers and have Cincinnati and Louisville at home. Louisiana State could have trouble at home against Auburn and they have to go to Alabama. Oklahoma could have a possible loss at Texas Tech and I already know Oklahoma State is coming to Norman ready to fight! The media "beloved" Southern California has to play at Oregon, at California, and at Arizona State. To make a long conversation short...all the Top 10 teams can lose some more games.
Jon said:
posted on October 14, 2007 4:15 PM — 68.84.19.20 — link — abuse?
I'm predicting South Carolina rises from the ashes to win the SEC and goes on to throttle Ohio State*.
South Florida has got a loss coming up. Cincy and/or Louisville are going to get pumped up and remind them of their pecking order.
and
Boston College will get sniped by an FSU team that can play very well if motivated (by playing a top ranked school).
and
Chokelahoma will burn vs. any misc. random team they have remaining.
and finally
LSU will burn in the rematch vs South Carolina in the SEC championship game.
Either way, look for a repeat of top SEC team molesting Ohio State, unless they put the bag over their heads and lose to Penn St to save the embarrassment.
GatorGreg said:
posted on October 14, 2007 4:17 PM — 67.8.90.124 — link — abuse?
Why is it that Kentucky takes down the number one team in the country but can only move up 4 spots is the coaches poll to number 13? The thing that chaps my ass the most is that the Wildcats have lost only one game to the #8 ranked gamecocks yet USC loses in the biggest upset in college football to a UNRANKED Stanford and they are #9, many spots above KY???? Just really unbelievable.
Bleed Crimson
posted on October 14, 2007 5:29 PM — 130.160.146.164 — link — abuse? said:
yea. umm. gatorgreg is right.
just a quick question for all of you...do you really see any of the top 5 teams beating LSU???
didnt think so.another quick question...do you really see anyone in the country besides LSU beating Florida if they were to play tomorrow???
didnt think so.South Florida will play in the National Championship game because their season is over. they wont lose another game. Same with Ohio State. The Big 10 doesnt have any good teams this year anyways. so they are D-O-N-E. ill tell ya right now, i will NOT watch a national championship game between south florida and ohio state. i can name 4 or 5 teams in the SEC that can beat both of them RIGHT NOW. (florida, lsu, kentucky, south carolina, tennessee)
LSU will most likely lose one more. Maybe Florida will too. but there is no doubt that florida and lsu are the two best teams in the country this year and it will be a shame if both dont play in a bcs game.
this all brings up the age old question: are polls based on who people think the best teams are, or are they based on who have the best records??
if theyre based on who the best teams are regardless of records, then i would love to meet the clown that thinks boston college can beat lsu. even better, meet all those people that think virginia tech or boston college could beat florida. i would just love to meet them.c-dogg said:
posted on October 14, 2007 5:50 PM — 76.188.148.131 — link — abuse?
This has to be the most exciting year in college football thay I have ever seen! Everybody is in the hunt. (except my Canes) :O)
Go Canes!! Get some recruits so that we can have fun too!!
I dare anybody to predict the national title game this early. Chances are....you will be wrong. That's what makes this year so great. NFL can't compare to this.
grcunning said:
posted on October 14, 2007 6:11 PM — 71.72.42.64 — link — abuse?
Bleed Crimson @9
really??? Kentucky over tOSU?
lets see now, any common opponents? oh yes, the much maligned Kent State, the so called "pretender" scheduling all you SEC fanatics are blaming on OSU.
hmmmm..Kent State racked up almost 500 yards of offense, and 20 points on your wonderful Kentucky, and the game was even TIED at halftime....
Ill tell you this, every single one of OSU's starters was sipping a coke on the sideline by halftime. We had 4th string walk on tailback Marcus Williams running in the 4th quarter.
And I noticed that Kentucky had to keep Woodson and the starters in the game DEEP into the 4th.
Tennessee?? let me clue you in to something..THEY LOST TWICE!!! and not only lost, but got smoked by a suspect cal team.
As for South Car, LSU, and Fla, (and Oklahoma), I'm not saying anything about them...those boys can play some ball.
I think SFla should be ranked 1
2 OSU
3 OU
4 LSU
5 BC
6 SC
7 Ky
8 ASU
9 FL
10 Oregrcunning said:
posted on October 14, 2007 6:36 PM — 71.72.42.64 — link — abuse?
myself@11
actually that is too harsh on Ky...they played a great game and beat a great defensive team in LSU. On a neutral field, though, I would match up OSU against anyone in the country.
and as for our weak schedule, I hate that as much as any SEC fanatic. All we can do is win all the games we are supposed to win (which NO team in the preseason top 10 has done)
And if you want to see OSU fall, you'll get your chance. The rest of OSU's opponents have a combined 25-8 record. Penn State at night in the Happy Valley whiteout, and in the Big House. If the Buckeyes are pretenders, it will show in the next month.
Hey, how bout this....an 8 team playoff, with 6 teams automatically chosen from the SEC? cause you know, even an SEC team that finishes 2-9 could stomp any undefeated Big10 team, right?
Zac said:
posted on October 14, 2007 7:15 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
I am thoroughly amazed with some of the play I witnessed this weekend.
KY/LSU - There was a key 3rd down made by KY late in the game where they settled for a FG to tie it. On that play, following the catch, Steve Johnson turns and in an attempt to juke a defender facing to the inside, he looses his footing. I don't know who made the crushing block for KY on that same play, but if Johnson keeps his feet and runs for the left pile-on, he scores. Instead, they go to OT, where in OT #3, Flynn hands off to Scott who needed to only make 2 yards. On every previous play where Scott carried, it took at least 3 KY defenders to take him down. On this play a single LB, Braxton Kelly, enters the hole, challenges Scott to go farther, and holds him to 1 yard. A hero is born.
CA/OR St - The Bears are at the Duck's 12 yard line with 12 ticks left, no time-outs, it's 3rd down, and a Red-Shirt Frosh is calling the signals. Following the snap, he can't find a receiver. Instead of throwing it away, he wastes precious time RUNNING WITH THE BALL. For what seems like an eternity, if you're a Beaver, he's still on his feet running East & West, but is finally brought down with THE BALL. With no time outs remaining & 4th down, they can't spike the ball, they can't even get their FG unit on the field in time. A Goat is born.
AR/Auburn - Auburn's defense was absolutely phenomenal. AR couldn't get a thing going, and they dare not pass. That is, until Auburn gave them one more chance to pull it out by missing a 2nd FG, inside 40 yards no less. How did they score? A Dick to Miller pass for 13 yards & a TD. Now, if that's not enough to frost you, a penalty is called on AR on the ensuing kick-off. Not only are they farther away, they kick it short, and Auburn gets an additional 22 yards on the return. So, after making 2 of 4 attempts, here's Byrum to attempt his 5th FG. Without so much as loosing a drop of sweat, he casually puts it through the uprights like he has been doing it in his sleep. A hero turned goat turns hero.
That was just 3 games. As for the polls, I'm with you guys. Who cares?!? Though, they could impact the final outcome, if left unchecked. Here's something I would like everyone to consider. It's from an article out of MSNsportsNET.
"Ohio State shows wins over Youngstown State, Akron, Washington, Northwestern, Minnesota, Purdue and Kent State that have a combined 23-24 record. Take out non-Division I-A Youngstown State’s 5-2 record and it drops to 18-22.
Boston College, which had little trouble with a bad Notre Dame team on Saturday, has seven wins against Wake Forest, North Carolina State, Georgia Tech, Army, UMass, Bowling Green and the Irish. Those seven are a combined 21-24. Again, take out non-division I-A Massachusetts’ 5-1 record and it falls to 16-23.
Then there is South Florida, a program that wasn’t even around 12 years ago. The Bulls thumped Central Florida 64-12 in a big rivalry game Saturday afternoon to run their record to 6-0. USF beat Elon, Auburn, North Carolina, West Virginia, Florida Atlantic and Central Florida, which have a combined 22-16 record. Take out non-Division I-A Elon’s 4-2 record and the record is 18-14.
South Florida’s case for being No. 1 is as strong as anyone’s this year."
Right now, while arguably a decent team, OSU is arguably NOT the #1 team, though proclaimed so. That, however, could change either on the field or in our minds as they further prove themselves, or not, or as they or others fall from the ranks of the unbeaten. With the rest of October, all of November, and a little of December left to go, we'll all find out soon enough. The question is, Will the pollsters have gotten it right by then? We can only hope.
posted on October 14, 2007 8:09 PM — 68.19.110.146 — link — abuse?War Eagle Atlanta
said:
T-Mac: Tiger Ed is a bit pre-disposed right now. In a freak accident Saturday, he somehow managed to swallow his own 'lesticles'. I'm sure he'll cough them back up in time before this week's game with Auburn.
I'm sure the trash talk will be at a minimum, however, lest he have to swallow them again...
posted on October 14, 2007 8:12 PM — 68.19.110.146 — link — abuse? said:
Zac: Wasn't that a boring game, Arkansas and Auburn? Sure it had great defense, but it was mostly because both offenses were inept. Auburn's playcalling was so mundane, it almost put me to sleep. They better spice it back up before this weekend against Lesticles State University.
U. of S. C. 1978 said:
posted on October 14, 2007 8:34 PM — 97.82.188.250 — link — abuse?
Some of you may have seen an idea I posted in earlier threads where teams leave weeks 5 and 7 open and then play #1 vs #2, #3 vs #4, straight down the AP poll. I can simplify the idea, only one week is left open, next week. There are some pretenders lurking in the top 25, they ought to be flushed out before the bowl games. I'm not saying OU or S. Fla are pretenders. But, based on schedules, should they play for the NC, no one in here but their fans would respect the result.
Bleed Crimson
posted on October 14, 2007 10:04 PM — 130.160.146.164 — link — abuse? said:
war eagle atlanta:
haha you are right. that was the worst close game ive ever witnessed. i thought auburn's defense did an excellent job, however, their offense looks absolutely TERRIBLE! even worse than ours. i still cant believe arkansas' defense couldnt figure out that yall ran the ball 95% of the time. seriously though, arkansas just doesnt know how to win. are you kidding me? kicking the last kickoff out of bounds??? haha. they practically gave yall the game.
as for our game...wow. we did not deserve to win. but, like arkansas, ole miss just doesnt know how to win.
we got a punt blocked (7), we fumbled on ole miss' 3 yard line (7), we missed a 30 yard field goal (3), and our fake field goal got stuffed for a 5 yard loss (3). thats 20 points right there that we GAVE ole miss. although they did capitalize on the blocked punt, they had so many mistakes of their own that they blew the game.
can anyone tell me why we played nothing but a prevent defense on that last drive?? we almost blew the game. we blitz once, sack the QB, make it 4th & 16, and then we go back to prevent and almost lose on the last play of the game.Texas Zack said:
posted on October 14, 2007 10:40 PM — 69.92.27.21 — link — abuse?
I agree with South Florida being a ranked team, But are the really worthy of being number 2? They play in the big east and have beaten 2 ranked teams ( a decent Auburn team and an overrated WVU). Could they hang with an Ohio St., LSU and etc.?
Zac said:
posted on October 14, 2007 10:57 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
War Eagle (Post 18), I didn't get board. I got frustrated! It seemed to me, throughout the game, though not faring that much better than AR, Auburn was the better team. They kept blowing opportunities to prove it. I was so concerned their inability to get into the EZ when they had the chance was going to come back and haunt them, and it did. The good news, in spite of the one let-down, they re-grouped, moved back down the field, and won the game. I would have been very disappointed if it had ended 7-6, not that 9-7 is much better.
Texas Zack (Post 25), I wish I could argue with you about WVU having come into the pre-season polls over-rated. I argued that repeatedly in a number of threads, and repeatedly predicted they would finish somewhere around #10. Did I HOPE they would do better? Darn tootin! I didn't happen that; so, they'll likely have to settle for less. Consider one thing regarding their legitimacy as to where they are as compared with some others. WVU is currently one of 2 teams which fell from the ranks of the unbeaten to teams ranked at the time it occurred.
Now, does this mean WVU should be ranked higher or S FL should be ranked #1? To be honest, I don't know the answer to that. In this regard, I can't imagine my opinion being any better than the next guys. The only thing I can't argue with is how much fun it is to debate the subject. Enjoy!!!
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on October 15, 2007 12:07 AM — 76.114.231.180 — link — abuse?
TexasZack,
You're being a typical homer....throwing out opinions and zero facts to try and back a claim.
One things for sure UCF could hang with Texas, we've already seen that. Although I wouldn't say UCF looked too hot against USF......would you?
Overrated how?....Please explain yourself.....
Ohio St. has probably the weakest schedule around besides Kansas. You really think Ohio St. resume is better than USF's........if so you're in the minority and should maybe stop looking through rose colored glasses.
Tomcat said:
posted on October 15, 2007 12:09 AM — 69.148.173.234 — link — abuse?
#11 I enjoyed ready you're comparison between two teams with common opponents.Contrary to what some may beleive there is alot of so-called parity involved and this year is very exciting and disappointing for some and just because you lose against somebody doesnt mean that you would not match up favoritable against common opponents.
Now I'm going to throw out some crazy stuff.
OU beats Miami
Miami beats A&M
A&M beats OK State
Ok State beats Nebraska
Nebraska beats Wake
Wake beats FSU
FSU beats Colo
Colo beats OU
Kinda like full circle right guys
Are We having fun yet- theres alot more and
Guys I tend to reference XII teams
here is another weird one- not full circle yet
OU beats Missu
Missu beats ILL
ILL beats Wisc
Iowa beats ILL
Iowa st beats Iowa
Tex beats Iowa St
K State beats Tex
Auburn beats K State
S Fla beats Auburn
Auburn beats Fla
This never ends-- one more guys this is fun
Stanford beat USC
TCU beat Stanford
Texas beat TCU
TCU beat Baylor
Baylor beat Rice
Rice beat S Miss
S Miss beat E Car-who beat NC who beat UM beat A&M that beat Okst that beat Neb that beat Wake that beat FSU that beat CU that beat OU that beat UT
Houston beat Rice
Oregon beat Houston
Houston beat E Car
Cal beat Oregon
Oregon St beat Cal
Now we Know that
UGA beat Ok State
Missu beat Ole Miss
Bama beat Houston
Yall have fun now
Na aint no parity
Tomcat said:
posted on October 15, 2007 12:25 AM — 69.148.173.234 — link — abuse?
Sorry guys
This continues from #29
Oregon st beat Cal
Cal beats Tenn
Tenn beats UGa
UGa beats Ok State
Full circle again guys
Ok State beats TTech
TTech beats A&M
A&M beats Ok state
Miami beats A&M
NC beats Miami
E Car beats NC
S Miss beats E Car
Rice beats S Miss
Houston beats Rice
Bama beats Houston
UGa beat BamaTomcat said:
posted on October 15, 2007 12:34 AM — 69.148.173.234 — link — abuse?
Na Lennie, maybe later theres alot of this, I just come up with this junk outa my head.I'll look up some schedules in the futute cause this never ends and you will notice that teams from alot of different confences were connected somehow.
Hookem HornsEye of the Tiger said:
posted on October 15, 2007 2:21 AM — 68.107.107.40 — link — abuse?
Congrats to Kentucky and their phony a__ refs. Does anybody have any idea what they were paid? Well, regardless of the ref situation LSU looked sloppy in the second half and that's why they lost. I won't blame the crooked refs taking away huge momentum calls.
OU Fan said:
posted on October 15, 2007 2:43 AM — 139.139.51.70 — link — abuse?
U. of S.C. 1978, I noticed you stated "I'm not saying OU or S. Fla are pretenders. But, based on schedules, should they play for the NC, no one in here but their fans would respect the result." I would love to see Oklahoma play I mean beat the South Carolina Gamecocks. I would even put money on Mizzou and Texas to beat South Carolina in Columbia. BOOMER SOONER!
Diggs the Mountie said:
posted on October 15, 2007 2:47 AM — 76.114.231.180 — link — abuse?
Eye of the Tiger #34,
Oh the "irony", a LSU Fan calling out the officials? Unbelievable.....
If the refs did make a bad call it was reviewed....How about that Pass Interference call that went against Kentucky that helped give LSU the lead.......
I for one am glad the Officials called a good game.....I was sick and tired of seeing LSU get away with Blocks in the back, throwing punches, spearing players in the back of their heads while they're down.
There's actually a video of the South Carolina vs. LSU game on YouTube showing all the thuggish behavior and missed calls.....I don't have a link...but it is there I promise ya.
I think South Carolina may have won that game against LSU if the refs would've called half of the infractions that LSU committed during the course of that game.
That's what I think......anyone else got a link for that vid?
If so post it......I can't seem to find it....
Tomcat said:
posted on October 15, 2007 5:19 AM — 69.148.173.234 — link — abuse?
OUFan #37 & #38 Thanks dude,For those who think these no parity and those who cry that their conference is tougher Bla Bla Bla. I just couldnt help myself with post like #29 and #31.You will see that even teams with multiple losses from non BCS conferences are included, as well as so-called top 25 teams.Does that mean that Rice would beat Texas-No Texas hammered Rice.
Every team every game better play their best because just about anybody can beat anybody.
Yall hold on
Syracuse beat Louisville
Louisville beat Cinn
Cinn beat Oregon St
Oregon St beat Cal
Cal beat Oregon
Oregon beat Stanford
Stanford beat USC
TCU beat Stanford
Wyoming beat TCU
New Mex beat Wyoming
BYU beat New Mex
UCLA beat BYU
Notre Dame beat UCLA
Ya I guess there aint no parity
This all started when some Ohio St fan started comparing their Kent St game with Kentucky's Kent st game.
One thing is for sure there are still alot of games to be played and this is gonna be one heck of a bowl season, withalot of really good 9-3 and 8-4 teams that could beat just about anybody.
For the LSU fan, blaming refs
Face it dude yall lost- get over it
BTW as a Horns fan I would love to see a
Texas vs LSU or Texas vs Kentucky
Whoever wins, dont blame the refs what comes around goes around.You kinda have to admit the Tigers have won a few close ones.
Hookem-Horns 5-2
we suck schedule the Horns then bitch about refs
Big Tide said:
posted on October 15, 2007 7:06 AM — 12.208.88.211 — link — abuse?
Remember that buddy you had back in high school that had that kid sister with the thick glasses that was a pain in the ass brat and then one day about 6 years later you saw her somewhere and couldn't believe how HOT she was!! Remember that? Well that bratty girl with the glasses is the Kentucky football team.
Tampa Hurricane
posted on October 15, 2007 8:26 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse? said:
Texas Zack, how can you ask if USF can hang with Ohio State because USF has only played two ranked teams (Auburn and West Virginia)?
Shouldn't the true question be can Ohio State who has only played shitty teams hang with USF? Out of the following: Youngstown State, Akron, Washington, Northwestern, Minnesota, Purdue, and Kent State....which teams that Ohio State has played can compare to the teams that USF has played. I understand that some fans may believe that Akron for a home game with their 3-4 record may be just as tough an opponent to face as Auburn on the road, but the rest of the nation doesn't believe it. Look at the computers that are unbiased, and you will see that USF should be ranked 1 not Ohio State!
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on October 15, 2007 9:08 AM — 216.10.193.20 — link — abuse?
Okay, I'm getting dizzy. This has been the wildest, weirdest college football season I can remember.
I guess I'll have to change my handle to acknowledge the fact that I went to grad school at USF. That was before USF had a football team, so I've never been a fan before this year, but that's all changing now. Ramblin' BULL Gator?
Regarding my other two favorite teams...
The Yellow Jackets proved once again that they are the most Jeckyl/Hyde team in America with a quality win to follow up a poor loss. I'm going to Atlanta for homecoming this week, so I guess I should anticipate Army will beat GT this week.
Florida is going to have their hands full with KY this week. I hate to admit it, but the Gators are very likely to be 4 and 3 by this time next week.
OU-Ron
posted on October 15, 2007 9:11 AM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
@20 U.of S.C.1978, if two other teams names were in place where OU and S Fla is ranked, I bet you would say the same thing about those two teams unless SC were ranked above them, in that case I doubt you would even post.
Tampa Hurricane
posted on October 15, 2007 9:23 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse? said:
Ramblin' Gator, from your post, you can't call yourself a fan. You just jumped on the bandwagon like everyone else. Living in Tampa I am amazed at all the people claiming to be Bulls fans now that they have a winning team.
Also what is up with the two favorite teams? A true fan only has one favorite team, but bandwagon fans can have multiple favorite teams as long as one is winning at time. When will you be changing your name to Ramblin' Tiger Bull Gator Eagle Buckeye Sooner fan? (expect it to change when any of these teams lose and another team jumps them in the polls)
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on October 15, 2007 10:10 AM — 216.10.193.20 — link — abuse?
#47 Tampa Hic - I reject your definition of what a "fan" is and further reject your assertion that I can't call myself a fan. Everyone starts being a fan of a team at some point in their life. It's not genetic. You're not born a fan of a team. And I'll further assert that few people "jump on the bandwagon" to cheer for a losing team, so your argument has no accuracy and no gravitas at all. By your definition, one must be born an "X" fan and they are naturally precluded from cheering for any other team the remainder of their lives!
My entire family went to Florida except for me, so I grew up a Gators fan. I got my BS at GT, so I'm a Yellow Jackets fan. Why do you think a "true fan" can only support one team? I'm a college football fan, so I support numerous teams (even your Canes, sometimes). One could argue that you are not a "true fan" of the game as you only support one team. Stop being such a homer!
As opposed to the other fair weather fans you describe, I did go to grad school at USF; however, they didn't have a football team at the time. I have long been a fan of Bulls basketball and if this were a basketball blog I would include the Bulls in my handle.
Lennie Collins
posted on October 15, 2007 10:17 AM — 67.67.223.182 — link — abuse? said:
Hey Tampa Hurricane (Comment #44) that is why I hope that strength of schedule is put back in the equation. Ohio State is ranked higher than South Florida because the Big 11 is considered a "better" conference than the Big East. I am not saying it but that's how the voters see it. South Florida did beat two ranked opponents.
Lennie Collins
posted on October 15, 2007 10:38 AM — 67.67.223.182 — link — abuse? said:
Hey Tampa Hurricane(Comment #47) if Ramblin' Gator wants to be a fan of many teams then who are we to say that he can't. I am Crimson and Cream true. I buy and wear only Oklahoma Sooners football gear. I cheer for other teams BUT I will not wear their team gear. For example I cheered for Kansas State to get all up in texas (beep) but I am not gone run out and buy purple and silver gear. I do understand your point because there are "fans" that just jump on the "bandwagon" of teams because they have to be associated with winning (teams) to feel good about themselves. I AM NOT SAYING THAT IN REGARDS TO RAMBLIN" GATOR. Example: My ex-wife cousin stated to me back in 2001 that she was a Diehard Lakers fans. She wore Purple and Gold Lakers shirts and hats while they were on top. After 2005 I never seen her wear or mention anything about the Lakers. I am almost sure she hasn't watch a Lakers game since. Before my divorce to her cousin(my ex-wife) she was wearing San Antonio Spurs gear. Some fans do like multiple teams and are true. There are some who get on the bandwagon cause they have to be "close" to winning to feel good about themselves.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on October 15, 2007 10:43 AM — 198.211.223.194 — link — abuse?
Man what a season this is turning out to be! I think when its all said and done, there are going to be a number of schools that are going to have a good case as to why they should be up there in the BCS rankings. There may even be 4 or 5 teams with an argument for playing in the NC game. Unfortunatley, everyone is going to be left out with the exception of #1 and #2.
I love this game. The fact that this is the year of the upset makes college football even more fun to watch. I am as guilty as anyone else about disputing the rankings on a week to week basis, but to be honest, I have no idea who the best team in the country is now, or who was last week......, or who will be next week. Regardless how it all ends up, there are going to be alot of upset fans at the end of the season.Geauxtigers0107 said:
posted on October 15, 2007 11:09 AM — 70.156.76.75 — link — abuse?
Congratulations to the Kentucky Wildcats for taking it to my Tigers on Saturday night. What I did get to see of the game was a dissappointment. Speaking on the Wildcats though, they were more physical and executed better. Bottom line is LSU got outcoached and outplayed. Why Les Miles didn't play Charles Scott more in the second half is a mystery to me. He ran up and down the field on Kentucky but only got one carry in the second half. And Matt Flynn was very inaccurate (again). Which brings up another question: Why didn't Les put Perilloux in more and give him the chance. Kentucky should definitely be higher in the polls IMO. Their receivers were very good and their O-line did an outstanding job in containing the LSU front four. Just another day in the life of an SEC football team. Any given Sat vs. any given opponent....and, this year, in any given conference.
Again, hats off to the Kentucky Wildcats.
Geaux SEC
Geaux TigersGatorGreg said:
posted on October 15, 2007 11:16 AM — 66.89.151.21 — link — abuse?
Let me preface this statement by saying I graduated from Florida and live in Tampa.
The fan base of USF disgusts me. Not only is this entire town trashy bandwagon fans, but every USF fan acts like they have been Bull fans for all 12 years of its football existence. They buy the shirts, put the flags on their car and do the stupid hang-loose sign while Lil Jon plays between possessions to a crowd most of whom never graduated from high school. All of these so call "fans" are only cheering for USF because they can watch a game on Saturday while enjoying the copious amounts of beer served at RayJ. Only about 10% of these Bull fanatics can actually document ties to the University. Let’s just say these "fans" are so classy, you have them selling fake tickets to home games.
Maybe Rutgers fans can give USF a lesson on how to ride the bandwagon seeing as how most of them have jumped off since last year.
TE
posted on October 15, 2007 12:04 PM — 70.180.45.10 — link — abuse? said:
Well, well, well...
Here I am...
I notice T-Mac's the only one that took a shot...Wow...All I can say is...I said Friday that Kentucky had no defense...
When it was all said and done, we left-easily-at least 10 points out there, not including overtime...
I turned this one over in my head again and again, after watching the replay last night, and again this morning...What I took from it is this:
1.) You can't blame the coaches for the playcalling. Les Miles called the plays to win the game. We missed open receivers, we overthrew, underthrew, threw picks, and generally didn't execute. I have to say, that last weekend, we gave that game to the team, and the team responded. This week, we gave the game to our quarterback, tight ends, and receivers, and unlike last week, they simply did not make the plays necessary to win the game.
2.) Defense...defense...defense...Who would've thought that LSU scoring 27 points on the road wouldn't be enough for our defense to pull out the W? Kentucky played a tough, TOUGH game on offense, and for the 2nd straight week, a spread offense gave this D problems. Having said that, a lot of you were mentioning officiating, etc., but all I'll point to is the fact that before Tyson Jackson's undressing was called late in the game, LSU's previous five opponents-including the 'Cats-hadn't been called for offensive holding one time. They may have missed some calls both ways, but I just don't see all those offensive lines doing such a flawless job against our defensive front.
Having said that, Chevis Jackson getting hurt with a cut eye and having to insert a RS Freshman corner in Jai Eugene hurt us. We use mainly safeties in our nickel and dime packages, and Zenon & Jackson never leave the field as corners, so he hasn't had a lot of snaps at all. He fell down on one play, was lined up on the wrong side of the field in the redzone on another...Jonathan Zenon looked like a schoolkid corner in the final overtime on the touchdown from Woodson.
Craig Steltz not only got lit up on a downfield block, but he also didn't force the tight end to the outside on a 4th quarter touchdown reception by Tami...That's basic defensive secondary technique, for a safety not to give up the interior on a tight end...But, that's the 2nd straight week we've given up a busted play for a score from this defense.
It turns out-in fact-that our defense is very much human. It's good, but it's human.
To think that Kentucky's #1 running back didn't even play this game is even more amazing.
3.) Personnel...and this is the one that may cause the most consternation here...I'm never going to lay the blame for a loss on a single player's mantle, but Matt Flynn played his worst game of the year on Saturday, and was severely outplayed by his counterpart in Andre Woodson. He overthrew Keith Zinger for the winning touchdown on 3rd and goal in the 3rd quarter, forcing us instead to settle for a field goal and a 27-14 lead (that again the defense should've easily made stick, but I digress). Later in the game, after Kentucky had gone down and scored to make it 27-21, he threw a pick on what should've been a sure touchdown pass to a wide open Brandon LaFell, who slipped past the Kentucky defender he had in one-on-one coverage. Instead, it's underthrown badly, picked off, and Kentucky goes back down the field and scores, and we've got a game on our hands, 27-24.
On our final drive, he underthrew Lafell again on a big gainer down the field that was incomplete, and then heaved a shotput to nowhere when he had both LaFell (for 30 yards) and Superfrosh Terrance Tolliver (for six points) wide open beyond the secondary.
Now, I'm not going to say that Matt was the only one on offense who didn't play well. Our receivers consistently inconsistent right now, and Early Doucet's absence for a 4th straight game (though he did line up wide in overtime as a decoy) finally bit us in the butt. But, in crunch time, those players like Zinger, LaFell, Tolliver, and others were open to help win the game for the Tigers, and Matt did not make the plays to win the game.
Which leads me to my point...What is this staff's issue with Ryan Perrilloux? He runs the option, he hands off, he runs reverses, he runs draws, but he really doesn't throw a heckuva lot of passes. Is it the offense? Does he not understand it yet? Are they not completely sold on his ability to read defenses? To go through his progressions? His timing with the receivers?
Why is it that an obviously struggling Matt Flynn wasn't taken out and replaced by a player that obviously lends a spark to our offense? I won't blame Matt, and I won't call out the coaches, but it was obvious that we could've won the game, even as poorly as we executed late in the game, but, we may not have been in the position had we just sat Matt for a series or two, and let things slow down for him...
But, be that as it may, having said my peace, I'm here to eat my crow...Though not from the likes of T-Mac...Dude...Pot meet kettle, man...You were talking about Luther Davis "handing out sack sandwiches" before the year started after Saban "stole" him from us, LOL!
You guys "held on" to beat such stalwarts as...Houston & Ole Miss? Congrats on being tied with LSU in the West...for now...But, come November 3rd, you'll see just what Les Miles is, and just what Nick Saban isn't...
Till then, LSU will just bow its neck, prepare for an always tough Auburn team, lick its wounds, and take solace in that while it no longer controls its own destiny in the hunt for a national title, the road to the SEC Championship Game runs straight through Baton Rouge still...
Fire away...
Tom Blogical
posted on October 15, 2007 12:16 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
TE (#54):
Welcome back and great post. I agree with your analysis of the game; I saw the same things you did. Concerning your question with Ryan Perrilloux, I would bet the issue has to do with reading defenses and coverages if he doesn't throw too many passes. Checking down to a different play would be impossible if he isn't skilled at that yet. If he's involved in almost every other aspect of the offense, then I don't think it's his understanding of it, or he wouldn't be in there at all, IMHO.
Eye of the Tiger said:
posted on October 15, 2007 12:31 PM — 138.163.0.41 — link — abuse?
Hey Diggs, Fair game my a__. I'm not saying LSU is the cleanest team on defense. In fact their defense in just sick, but they didn't deserve to get some of those plays taken from them on offense. 3 examples to your 1
1) pass interference call on 3rd and long(no pass interference)
2) Illegal formation from the reciever(no illegal formation)
and last but definitely not least:
3) They did not get in the end zone that was called a touchdown.(and yes it was reviewed and still obvious he didn't get in)Look, I even said LSU still had their opportunities and still shoulda came out with a W, but calls like that on either side of the ball make me sick.
posted on October 15, 2007 12:37 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Sour Grapes Alert in post #34!!!! Come one, Eye of the Tiger, paying refs?? They don't allow any referee officating a game to have any connection with the schools playing in that game.
That excuse fell out of fashion in the 1960s...
posted on October 15, 2007 12:42 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Tiger Ed: Where's my props? I clearly took a shot at you in post 17. Where are those lesticles now?
No, I'm not going to rub it in, but if there is one guy on here worthy of eating a crow feast, it is you, my friend. You obviously know your football, but I've never been able to understand why you carry on the way you do.
Any predictions for Auburn this weekend???
Bleed Crimson
posted on October 15, 2007 1:12 PM — 68.62.129.185 — link — abuse? said:
ryan perilloux, kodi burns.
the reason these QBs never throw the ball is because they suck at it. like the majority of dual-threat QBs coming out of high school today, they can run the option, throw some short passes, etc. but when it comes to reading defenses, calling audibles, accuracy, etc. they cant do it. the reason they played QB in high school is because they could throw the ball like a very average high school QB, BUT they could run a 4.45. the problem is, when they get to college, coaches realize that the 4-star high school stud QB cant read a zone and has no accuracy whatsoever.
TE
posted on October 15, 2007 1:12 PM — 70.180.45.10 — link — abuse? said:
I predict we're going to come out pretty damn p!ssed off, and looking to make a statement...
Which may not bode well for your chances...
I can tell you one thing...Rolling the pocket and going vertical and/or running deep outs is a beautiful attack against a Bo Pelini defense...You also ought to run a few draws if you take my advice, because the middle of our field is seriously exposed after a few of those plays...
Dragging the tight end to the wide side of the field on a rollout to the same side of the field would seem to be a very good idea, as well.
Nice shot, by the way...I actually dressed up as "Coach Lesticles" for one of my best friend's suprise costume party wedding shower's Saturday night...Brought out the clipboard, the high white hat, a headset, khaki's filled with two oversized nerf balls, and some kicks, but it started at 7pm, and I didn't have time to think of another costume before the party started...I got there late, & in a rather foul mood...I thought it'd be an amazing idea for a costume...
Yeah...not so much, LOL!
I can dish it out with the best of them, so I am more than happy to take it, especially when I realize that none of our goals are out of reach, when I realize our defense played terribly, and in crunch time without one of its most important parts (Chevis will be drafted no later than late 2nd round at corner; he was out for the 4th Quarter and OT. We had a RS Frosh in) against a team that was going to live & die by the pass. Or when I think about the fact that our offense left 10 points on the field before regulation was over...
Or that we just realized Colt David's got MUCH better range as a kicker than what we previously thought. Or that Charles Scott can more than pick up the load if Hester's injured. Or that late in the 4th quarter, another RS Frosh running back like Murphy can pick it up and gain crucial 3rd down conversions...
My gut feeling is that OU & LSU may very well be squaring off late in the season for the national title...and I hope that Kentucky wins out somehow-though I think Florida will run through them like Lindsay Lohan with a bag of coke-because I want that team-BIGTIME...We are better than they are, and I guess now I know what Florida must feel like...
SEC East is going to be pretty interesting coming down the home stretch, fellas...
TE
posted on October 15, 2007 1:14 PM — 70.180.45.10 — link — abuse? said:
Bleed Crimson...Could that have been a more uninformed post?
Ryan Perrilloux has an average arm, eh? The dude was mobile in high school, but he was a quarterback because he had a freaking CANNON for an arm, buddy...
LOL!
Dude...I could try to enlighten you, but I won't...You might want to push away from the keyboard for awhile...or better yet, only use it to post when you actually know what you're talking about.
Texas Zack said:
posted on October 15, 2007 1:26 PM — 71.96.68.76 — link — abuse?
Diggs (#28):
First of all, I wasn't saying USF couldn't be an elite team, I was merely asking what everyone thought.
Is it really that big of a stretch for someone to suggest WVU is overrated? Who have they beaten? Sure they can pound all of those opponents such as that extremely tough Western Michigan team, but the game where they have an actual opponent that is ranked and good (South Florida) they fold. Is WVU a good football team? Yes, they are a good team, but worthy of a top 10 ranking? Not in my opinion. I think that my point will be proven through the end of the year as they do get the brunt of the top Big East teams to close the season.
Also, where in my post did I bring up Texas? I never said anything to suggest I thought they were a top team. I'll be the first to admit they aren't among the elite this year. Sounds like you're being the Homer maybe? Rushing to the defense of your team the first second someone criticizes them. As far as the rest of your rebutal, I dont even like Ohio St. and I was merely throwing their name out there to suggest if USF could hang with the perennial powers that are always near or at the top.
posted on October 15, 2007 1:29 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
LSU's goals of a MNC still seem very much in reach considering they only fell 3 slots after losing to Kentucky. They still have to get by the other Tigers, the Saban-Aiders, and a rematch with Florida, South Kakalaki, or KY-jelly.
TE
posted on October 15, 2007 1:40 PM — 70.180.45.10 — link — abuse? said:
I can tell you one thing...I've watched a lot of college football in my life...and while I'm only 28...The past two weeks I've witnessed some of the most ferocious, intense, hard-hitting, physical games I've ever seen...
My only worry for Auburn is that we may be straight up worn out...The open date is going to do wonders for us. I think we come out on fire against the "other" Tigers, but I think we're going to run roughshod over everyone from here on out...
Kentucky was the wakeup call for us...Just inexcusable that it lead to an L...
Zac said:
posted on October 15, 2007 1:47 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, how dast you post text book examples of parity on this thread?!? Are you wanting Chaos to befall the BCS system? Why, the next thing ya know, you’ll be calling for a play-off system. ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS!!! (While you’re at it, do one involving Wyoming, VA, UConn, Pitt, etc.)
OK all you doubters & disbelievers out there, like it or not KY beat LSU fair & square. Nobody got paid; there were no more or less calls in favor of either team; there were no more or less non-calls the same way. The 2 teams met; they played football; KY won. End of story. TE got it right (great post as usual, BTW).
While I admit to being a little surprised at some of the play calling, I also contend, KY could have won it in regulation, had Johnson gone outside and not tried to juke a corner to the inside, which caused him to slip. So, look at it this way; we got to see a lot more football than we expected. Take the good with the bad.
posted on October 15, 2007 1:48 PM — link — abuse? said:
I'm really disappointed that Hawaii is still getting some very bogus rankings. The Bows trailed San Jose State state by 14 in the final four minutes and pulled it out in OT. AGAINST SAN JOSE STATE?!?! Hawaii was a 20 point favorite going into the game. Complete bogus.
Texas Zack said:
posted on October 15, 2007 1:56 PM — 71.96.68.76 — link — abuse?
#68 Kevin:
Completely agree. I think that a portion of the reason they keep getting such good rankings is becuase of the Heisman hype that Colt Brennan gets. As many int's as he's thrown recently I don't know how much longer the high rankings or the Heisman hype will stay up there. They have some tough games ahead with Fresno St. and Boise St. so it will definitely be interesting to watch.
Hotty Toddy said:
posted on October 15, 2007 2:57 PM — 75.105.128.38 — link — abuse?
Well the officials from the Ole Miss-Alabama game are rich this weekend.
What a sorry excuse for a group of officials. I don't blame the student section for throwing all those bottles and other mess onto the field after that terrible call to reverse the pass that got us on the 4-yard line, about to win the game.
Truly a disgrace. The Tide barely left with their hide.
BTW i'm glad that the SEC is reviewing that play... I hope something is done about it...for us Rebel fans its gut-wrenching. When we finally are about to pull a win, its stripped from us. Makes me sick.
posted on October 15, 2007 3:15 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Amen on the Hawaii rankings. I saw that whole 4th quarter against San Jose State, in the high school stadium. They don't impress me one bit. So what if they have a QB who can sling it 500 yards a game. Against who? San Jose?
I'm about tired of these little teams who get hot emerge from nobody conferences to get some sort of hype going. Let them play a real conference schedule and then see how many games they win.
posted on October 15, 2007 3:19 PM — link — abuse? said:
@ #70 - Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Anyone that is upset about the call needs to read Pete Holiday's expert analysis proving that the refs got it right.
In fact, I may go ahead and do a post because I'm tired of Ole Miss fans emailing to say they were hosed.
TE
posted on October 15, 2007 3:27 PM — 70.180.45.10 — link — abuse? said:
Hotty Toddy, while I dislike Bama fans just as much as you do-which is documentable fact up the board on post #61-you need to call the waaaaaaaambulance after that post...
That's laughable. You guys played a great game, and it was a close play, but it wasn't that close. Take it like a man, bucko.
Cane Mutiny
posted on October 15, 2007 3:50 PM — 65.12.247.141 — link — abuse? said:
Even though it gets annoying when SEC fans reason that their lack of tough OOC conference games is justified by the difficulty of their conference, it makes some sense...
The Big 11, however, has no right to this claim. I'm gonna put it right out there: that conference sucks. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Ohio State and Michigan last year claiming to be numbers 1 and 2?? Funny, how they both got brought down to earth in blow out losses to more talented, but - somehow - lower ranked teams.
This year is no different. Michigan is ranked? Holy f*cking crap. There is nothing that hurts more than that fact right now. They lost to a 1-AA Team! There is no excuse for that. And no matter how many horrible Big 11 teams you can beat, you do not get to bounce back from that and a blowout loss to a pretty good Oregon team. You just don't.
Ohio State is number 1? Seems like nobody learned from last year. Remember that? How they were ranked the top team in the country the whole season and still lost 41-14 to Florida?
Now let's look at this year: They lost their Heisman trophy winning quarterback, several star receivers, and are playing an even MORE cupcakey schedule this year. And yet, lo and behold, number freakin' 1.
I'd put them at #9 at the highest, and that would only be giving them the benefit of the doubt for being undefeated.
South Florida has been the most impressive team of the year, no question. Say what you will, but USF has beaten Auburn and W.Va., both good competition. Let me know who Ohio State has beaten.
Even if "THE" Ohio State wins out, they will have beaten NOBODY of note. Listed as their biggest obstacle: MICHIGAN!! Hahahaha, the team that lost to a 1-AA team is their biggest challenge.
Holy crap, even in this amazing year of widespread parity, the pollsters have found a way to inject their bias into the sport and screw everything up.
I honestly hope "THE" Ohio State does make it to the MNC, because I'm very confident that whoever they play - be it USF, BC, Oklahoma, or especially LSU - will demolish them. Somebody save this post, because you can hold me to that.
Sorry for writing an essay, it's cool if you were too lazy to read it. I would probably skip right over it if I was looking through the thread. Just ranting...
...It's great to be a Miami Hurricane...and hey, get some recruits...
Eye of the Tiger said:
posted on October 15, 2007 4:02 PM — 68.107.107.40 — link — abuse?
TE,
Let's talk about those dropped passes instead of Matt Flynn's arm. First off, he hit Zinger in the frickn hands! The short throw you mentioned to Lafell, also, in his hands. I've seen waaaay too many drops to even consider it his problem and to start looking at Perilloux. Now, that INT he threw shoulda beena touchdown that he blew, but these things happen with QB's. Especially when he's not getting as many reps. I think we might be seeing some of the flaws with having a 2 QB system. Let Flynn do his thing. He's a senior who is more than capable. One thing I do regret when they put Periloux in is that they don't let him throw enough. I think he has a great arm and has been more accurate while Flynn's ankle has been bit. Still, those receivers need to catch those frikin passes when they have the opportunity. Not Periloux, not JaMarcus, not even Peyton Manning can make them CATCH THE BALL.
TE
posted on October 15, 2007 4:16 PM — 70.180.45.10 — link — abuse? said:
Eye of the Tiger,
We're both Tiger fans, but you must've left your Purple & Gold Ray Bans on...On my home site, I do it as well, sometimes, but this calls for a tad more objectivity.
Objectively speaking, it hit Zinger in his hands on his way out of bounds. Had he brought it down, neither foot was in. What this means is that Matt held onto it at least a two count too long. This is indisputable.
You could probably say the same thing about our starter last year, but the velocity that guy could generate made up for his slow trigger finger on his decision making.
As for hitting people in the hands...Say what you want, but when Lafell has to slide down to have it pop him in the hands, then that means Matt didn't hit him in stride. What was a touchdown pass-or at the least a 30 yard in the air catch-and-run, was turned into an incompletion. Bottom line: The starting quarterback for the #1 team in America needs to hit the man in stride. He did not.
On the Tolliver & LaFell deal, where either of them could've gotten our offense anywhere from 30 yards to six points...You have absolutely, positively no leg to stand on...To be honest, LaFell would've needed a 10 foot ladder and had to stand on the very last rung of it to haul in that shotput he heaved out there to no one in particular.
Bottom line is that if he hits any of those four passes in the 2nd half, we're not having this conversation here today. He had four shots, and three of them came after he misfired to Zinger on 3rd & Goal. Each time he had a chance to redeem himself with the next play. The coaches called play after play in which Matt was given an opportunity to be successful.
He was not able to make those plays.
As for the "flaws of a 2QB system", that's a nonstarter, since it's obvious that Perrilloux gets NO reps with the first team offense where he's allowed to throw a pass. I'm not opining there. It's fact. Look at the playcalling. As multiple, diverse, and creative as Crowton is, if there were anymore than 3-4 passing plays in this offense for Perrilloux to run, they would have.
They haven't.
So it's obvious that Matt's gotten PLENTY enough reps.
Bottom line...Matt's got four picks & four scores this year, and he hasn't shown any improvement from the South Carolina game. He locks on his receivers to a ridiculous degree, and when he stays in the pocket, there is no read progression whatsoever. He doesn't feel the rush well, when he does roll out to buy time, he doesn't trust his foot enough to make plays that he's capable of, and he generally looks tentative at this point in the season.
I think he can get healthy, and I think this offense can perform better around him, but I think that the staff needs to sit him down and let things slow down for Matt. He needs to breathe.
He is not playing well, at all. The defense, the personnel decisions...all of those can get blamed, along with him, but the fact of the matter is, he had four passes in the 2nd half. If he makes ANY of those four, we win the game in regulation.
None were made. Period.
posted on October 15, 2007 4:23 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
TE: I wasn't disputing the video, just the labeling of Holiday as an expert in anything other than Homerism--and we're not talking philosphy here. Let him edit the LSU fanhouse for a while and you'll see what I mean.
Colonel Reb is indeed crying. Yaw yaw yaw yaw, Nick Saban!
Eye of the Tiger said:
posted on October 15, 2007 5:10 PM — 138.163.0.44 — link — abuse?
TE,
I think you need to rewind the DVR, VHS, or whatever technology you have on that Zinger pass. He was in bounds.
For the most part I think your post is accurate, but for every over throw you mention I could call at least 3 drops. Hence, our real problem is inexperience at the WR position. BTW: I really think Tolliver should be starting and should be getting more throws his way. I have no issue with his hands.
T-Mac
posted on October 15, 2007 5:46 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse? said:
It isn't time to press the panic button on LSU.
T-Mac says they run the table, win the SEC Champ Game, and get in the title game.
T-Mac has been wrong before, but that is the way T-Mac see's it shakin out.
That was a great game.
LSU will be fine.
It is gut-check time though.
T-Mac does think that Les Miles will be the Michigan Head Coach this time next year.
It is an honor to Coach at your alma mater.
Bowden still dreams of Coaching the Crimson Tide.
T-Mac will post when he can.*T-Mac approved this message.
Bleed Crimson
posted on October 15, 2007 5:47 PM — 68.62.129.185 — link — abuse? said:
@77:
first off, you are absolutely right and you bring up some great points.
BUT, i just thought of something.
the computer polls are always gonna rank teams according to their record. THE REASON WE HAVE HUMAN POLLS IS TO ATTEMPT TO CORRECT THE COMPUTER IN THE FINAL AVERAGE!! the human polls are NOT supposed to rank teams like Ohio State #1. The human polls are doing a good job of handling Hawaii, but theyve gotta do a better job of ranking the better teams higher. There is not one person that knows football, that honestly believes Ohio State is the number 1 team. even OSU fans know theyd get demolished by lsu or florida. In order for the system we have in place to work properly, the human polls need to start accurately ranking teams.
...and im out.
FANofFLA said:
posted on October 15, 2007 6:03 PM — 72.69.2.100 — link — abuse?
FANofFLA (aka gatorstud)
TE...tough loss, man...tough loss
it will be tough for lsu this weekend..gettin back up emotionally....it's a brutal schedule....and that is why the sec is so tough...you know somewhere in the year you are gonna have a two or three in a row games that decide your season....lsu had florida, kentucky, and auburn....and oh yeah...throw south carolina in there before those games......i would like any team in the country to try that one.......good freakin luck....
the sec keeps bringing the best games each weekend....
and for my gators.....well, we have two, maybe three bcs teams in front of us that we still have to play..(lsu if we get to sec ch. gm.)
so we still controll our destiny to get to a bcs game.....so there is still something to fight for.....so get ready kentucky, your first.....
go gators...and hokies
TE
posted on October 15, 2007 6:07 PM — 70.180.45.10 — link — abuse? said:
Eye,
I've watched it three times now...The Zinger play at least five, including the two on the DVR right after the play...
The ball was not let go of at the right time. The ball should be out as he breaks open, not after he gets open...He got a paw on it, but that play is on Matt Flynn.
Period.
GA Boy said:
posted on October 15, 2007 6:31 PM — 97.89.24.88 — link — abuse?
Man I am glad that we get a weekend off. We need to regroup and get this ship turned around. We need A LOT of help, but we can be the 2 loss SEC team in the SEC championship game. If TN loses twice (very possible with AL, SC, AR, KY left with no off dates) and SC loses twice (very possible with TN, AR, FLA left with no off dates before they finish SEC schedule), then we are in. Of course we could lose all our SEC games but with the week off before the cocktail party, I like our chances against FLA this year. AU in Athens is always a bitch. KY in Athens is a good thing.
We were looking this bad last year going into FLA and we only lost to the eventual NC by 7. I know we've looked bad for those of you who have watched some games, but never count Mark Richt out. GO DAWGS!!Eye of the Tiger said:
posted on October 15, 2007 7:05 PM — 68.107.107.40 — link — abuse?
TE,
I'd hate to go back and forth with you on this one play, but I completely disagree with you as do other sports writers noted here:
Key Play: Following an athletic interception by Jones, the Tigers picked up a first down on a key third and six completion to LaFell. It looked as if LSU was driving for another touchdown when Flynn broke free on a 15-yard run on second 10 from the UK 41. But after the Tigers drove inside the Wildcat, the drive stalled and when Flynn’s pass skipped off the hands of Keith Zinger in the end zone, LSU had to settle for a field goal.
The point is, it was in his hands in the end zone and he shoulda caught it. Period.
TE
posted on October 15, 2007 7:19 PM — 70.180.45.10 — link — abuse? said:
Sportswriters...them always being right, huh Eye?
I tell you what...Gary Danielson agreed with me, both pre- and post game...Bottom line...The guy missed the plays on the field that could've helped us win the game, going away, in regulation.
You're arguing about one of FOUR plays he could've made that he did not. So, in essence, he only missed 100% of his opportunities on 75% of the chances I claimed he made, in actuality?
100% of 3 chances, or 100% of 4 chances is still more than a lot of good quarterbacks get an entire game to make a play that can win the game...
Say what you want, but you don't want me to compare status from the first three games of the year, and what I honestly feel like happened afterwards, but after facing good competition, RP's passer rating 238, while Flynn is 93rd of 100...
I'll leave it at that, because I think Flynn's our answer at quarterback, but I think this staff purposefully isn't letting RP throw it because it might cause a legitimate controversey.
Eye of the Tiger said:
posted on October 15, 2007 7:32 PM — 68.107.107.40 — link — abuse?
You're right I am noting one of four plays that coulda been made, but I didn't bring up all the other times the WR have dropped passes. I wouldn't mind you bringing up stats, that's fine, but be fair and let's make some stats on how many have been in the WR's hands and DROPPED. I can guarantee you it would be at least 3 to 1. Do you see what I'm getting at? I'm not saying Flynn is flawless, especially recently, but I am saying he has WR issues. Can you agree with that?
TE
posted on October 15, 2007 8:01 PM — 70.180.45.10 — link — abuse? said:
I try not to cover the same ground twice...it typically takes too much time...
I already talked about the receivers not getting any help...Or did you just focus on the rap on Flynn?
Flynn's lack of help doesn't mean he gets a pass for his lack of accuracy and poor play down the stretch...
Bottom line, he had guys in position to make plays-or perhaps drop some more-but he screwed the pooch on several occassions.
My opinion, and the one that's shared on our site by a few in the know: Look for an expanded intermediate passing game, and a shot for Perrilloux to prove his wares...
BTW-Perrilloux after the third game-where he saw his last meaningful passing action, was 27-33 for 6 scores & 1 pick...
Flynn-after SEVEN games-has a 4:4 ratio...
U. of S. C. 1978 said:
posted on October 15, 2007 8:25 PM — 97.82.188.250 — link — abuse?
#46 OU RON.
Really not an alumni thing. I'll name a pretender for ya, using my system Auburn gets an easy game against Hawaii, and all the fans get to holler ALOHA over, and over, and over....
Using my system in weeks 5 and 7, my opinion, this weeks top two, would not be this weeks top two. If this weeks top two were to play next week, I think Ohio would lose.
As to the chitty calls LSU vs SC game, I took them as bad calls during the game and yeah I was mad about it. But I've never seen anybody get a game overturned by whining about the zebras, so I don't do it. That video however, looks like indisputable evidence of a crew that the bookies reached out and touched.Zac said:
posted on October 15, 2007 9:09 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Eye of the Tiger, I've been reading you banter back and forth with TE over which of your players dropped what passes, which 1st down plays should have gone for TD's, and whether or not it was really Flynn's fault or his WR's, etc. Loosing sucks! Unfortunately, the game has been played; it's in the books; it's over.
Believe me; I know how you feel. WVU has now lost 2-in-a-row to S FL; 2-in-a-row!!! They could have won em both. Last year S FL snuck up on WVU in Morgantown, not to mention my boys looked flat from the get go. This year, there was no question what they were up against. S FL was even ranked. WVU dropped over 430 yards on em……and only came away with 13 pts. Why? T.O.'s, 6 of em!!! Bad snaps, bad hand-offs, poor decisions, poor execution on 4th down, and one hell of a S FL defense completely erased one of the better defensive performances by WVU over the past 2 years. They held S FL's offense to only 14 points and less than 300 yards, and they lost!
LSU has nothing to be ashamed of. The went into the lion's den (well, in this case "wild-cat's" den) against an nationally ranked team, gave it their best shot, and pushed it to 3 O.T.'s. Believe me; they've still got a realistic shot at a National Championship. WVU lost in similar fashion to a similarly ranked team, but if they win out, they'll be lucky to go to a BCS bowl. Them's the brakes. It's time to move forward and to look forward to what they'll do next. Try it; you'll like it.
S&G.bulletrain said:
posted on October 15, 2007 9:49 PM — 68.225.36.129 — link — abuse?
RE: post 77 cane mutiny.
I honestly hope "THE" Ohio State does make it to the MNC, because I'm very confident that whoever they play - be it USF, BC, Oklahoma, or especially LSU - will demolish them. Somebody save this post, because you can hold me to that.
CM,
I respectfully agree and disagee with you. We'll see where the Buckeyes are over the next few weeks...that's where I agree. I predicted that the buckeyes would lose 2 games this year after going 8-0. So we shall see.
Where i disagree with you is your pontification on how weak our conference is (THE BIG 10 / 11). LOOK AT THE FACTS PLEEEEZE:
Check for yourself (AND THIS INCLUDES EVERYONE ON THIS SITE)what the record is between the B-10 and SEC since 2000 - year by year.
Please let me know what you come up with...
R/ S&G
Kevin Donahue 
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posted on October 14, 2007 3:13 PM — link — abuse?Question - Are we having fun yet?