October 22, 2007
Team A > Team B: Absurd Victory Chains
CFR has what might be the most absurd victory chain of the year, brought about by the Big 10 conference's second loss to a DI-AA school this year.
North Dakota State > Minnesota > Miami (Oh) > Syracuse > Louisville > Cincinnati > Rutgers > South Florida > Auburn > Florida > Kentucky > LSU
And for our friends on the Left Coast:
North Dakota State > Minnesota > Miami (Oh) > Syracuse > Louisville > Cincinnati > Oregon State > California > Oregon
Of course, my favorite absurd victory chain of the year takes a slightly more circuous route across the country:
Elon > Wofford > Appalachian State > Michigan > Notre Dame > UCLA > Stanford > Southern Cal > Washington > Syracuse > Louisville > Cincinnati > Rutgers > South Florida > West Virginia > Mississippi State > Auburn > Vanderbilt > South Carolina > Kentucky > LSU
Comments:
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on October 22, 2007 4:24 PM — 67.97.209.36 — link — abuse?
It's also fun to include the scoring offset in this theory. For instance, Florida beat Tennessee 59-20 (+39) and Tennessee beat Georgia 35-14 (+21), so Florida should beat Georgia by 60 points, right? :-)
It's fun for discussion purposes, but it rarely works out this way, especially in a wacky season like the one we're in.
Zac said:
posted on October 22, 2007 5:14 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
Hey, Tomcat! See wachya stahted?!?
What I find odd is the resistively to the parity theory, and the impact limited scholarships has had on college football.
It's been at least 20 years since I read an article by Street & Smith, regarding parity in a year Notre Dame was upset by MI St, who was upset by somebody, who was upset by somebody else, who was upset by some Div-2 team, who was upset by another Div-2 team, who was upset by some NAIA team, etc, and whether or not that meant that the NAIA team was better than ND. This year, that might be arguable, but for the most part, it's absurd.
There are many factors involved with team which win or lose on a given day. Here are just a few.
Time between games: Some teams have played games on 5 days rest.
Preparation: Some days don't go well; entire weeks don't go well either.
Weather: Rain & snow are considered the universal equalizers; wind, especially if it changes direction during the course of a game, can be a factor.
Time of day: Some teams like it under the lights; some prefer it in ambient light, and others play under domes; shadows cast on the field can be a factor.
Which team a given team just played & which team they're about to face: Some teams can't handle 2 consecutive emotionally packed games, and some spend too much time looking ahead to emotionally packed games; some not only play up to their competition, some play down to it
Depth & Injuries: We often read about the one, but don't always hear about the other.
Turnovers: They can impact games big time.
Travel: The farther a team has to travel, the greater the disadvantage; sometimes the accommodations can have an impact as to how a team feels come game time.
Officiating & BAD CALLS: It doesn't look as if play review has saved any teams from penalties called the wrong way, no-calls which should have been made, and calls which should not have been made.
Decision Making: Some players and coaches do things in the course of a game that make ya wanna scratch your sac.
Acts of (insert deity here): Sometimes, $hit happens, and nobody knows why. But, az day say in da Bronx, “dems da breaks”.
Zac said:
posted on October 22, 2007 5:16 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
Hey, Tomcat! See wachya stahted?!?
What I find odd is the resistively to the parity theory, and the impact limited scholarships has had on college football.
It's been at least 20 years since I read an article by Street & Smith, regarding parity in a year Notre Dame was upset by MI St, who was upset by somebody, who was upset by somebody else, who was upset by some Div-2 team, who was upset by another Div-2 team, who was upset by some NAIA team, etc, and whether or not that meant that the NAIA team was better than ND. This year, that might be arguable, but for the most part, it's absurd.
There are many factors involved with team which win or lose on a given day. Here are just a few.
Time between games: Some teams have played games on 5 days rest.
Preparation: Some days don't go well; entire weeks don't go well either.
Weather: Rain & snow are considered the universal equalizers; wind, especially if it changes direction during the course of a game, can be a factor.
Time of day: Some teams like it under the lights; some prefer it in ambient light, and others play under domes; shadows cast on the field can be a factor.
Which team a given team just played & which team they're about to face: Some teams can't handle 2 consecutive emotionally packed games, and some spend too much time looking ahead to emotionally packed games; some not only play up to their competition, some play down to it
Depth & Injuries: We often read about the one, but don't always hear about the other.
Turnovers: They can impact games big time.
Travel: The farther a team has to travel, the greater the disadvantage; sometimes the accommodations can have an impact as to how a team feels come game time.
Officiating & BAD CALLS: It doesn't look as if play review has saved any teams from penalties called the wrong way, no-calls which should have been made, and calls which should not have been made.
Decision Making: Some players and coaches do things in the course of a game that make ya wanna scratch your sac.
Acts of (insert deity here): Sometimes, $hit happens, and nobody knows why. But, az day say in da Bronx, “dems da breaks”.
1st_and_NOLE
posted on October 22, 2007 5:20 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
said:
If Elon plays LSU...
Give me Elon by 1 after they recover and onside kick, lateral it, reverse field, and score a TD. Then, despite knowning a XP would send the game into OT they use Les Mile's own medicine against him and go for two, convert, and win by 1 in Death Valley despite kick off being at 8:00 pm
Tomcat said:
posted on October 22, 2007 6:19 PM — 69.152.139.75 — link — abuse?
Thanks Kev #4 Zac good post. I feel like Sgt Friday just the facts man. I havent seen any Elon games.I had never heard of Elon prior to this season. Just a few years ago I wouldnt have been interested in RU vs S Fla or UConn vs Louis now those are big time- same goes for S. Car vs Vandy. Zac how bout those Pitt Panthers over those Bearcats. Are we haven fun yet?
Zac I enjoyed reading the different determining factors that you included.
The game I attended was a real close game, and in the 4th quarter was 17-10 BU drove the ball down the feild was about to tie it up, threw a couple of picks and lost 31-10.
Hookem-HornsTomcat said:
posted on October 22, 2007 6:43 PM — 69.152.139.75 — link — abuse?
#10 War EaglATL Na man, wasnt me,I had a couple on another thread about a week ago.Looks like those Tigers sqweezed by those Tigers.Cant beleive that last few seconds-Thats purty close.
How about those Commodores ?
OBC was lookin kinda red, or I need to adjust the tint on my set?
Hookem-Horns
IA St Cyclones- yall will getem next timegrcunning said:
posted on October 22, 2007 9:06 PM — 71.72.42.64 — link — abuse?
I was pretty shocked at the App St thing, but with Minn, I don't know...We've got a State Champ High School team here in Erie that might give the Gophers a run for their money.
I guess with the Big10, the chain is no stronger than it's weakest link.U. of S. C. 1978 said:
posted on October 22, 2007 9:18 PM — 97.82.188.250 — link — abuse?
I'm finally ready to agree that talent parity is a something of a reality. Assuming that is the case, what does it mean?
A). The best coaches have the best records?
B). Injuries, and thus luck, are a huge factor?
C). Schedules, this should be (A) now that I think about it.
Definitely schedules should be (A).Big Tide said:
posted on October 22, 2007 9:40 PM — 12.208.88.211 — link — abuse?
Over at the College Football News website, Pete Fiutak (yeah, that's how you spell his last name) gives his 5 Thoughts For The Week and he gets this entire SEC thing right. Check it out at http://cfn.scout.com/ Regarding U. of S.C. 1978 #17, yes it is going to take better coaching and every aspect of your team comes into the equation. I think more and more teams will be playing "starters" on special teams as time goes by because it is just too important. Regarding schedules, with teams like North Dakota State, Troy, South Florida, App State, etc. all making their presence felt this year, how do you really determine schedule strength anyway????
jonsey said:
posted on October 23, 2007 9:02 AM — 167.197.127.130 — link — abuse?
This blog is a waste of time. It's obvious BS. Why isn't there a blog about something more important? like Alabama blowing Tennesse away. did anyone realize they did it with one of there running backs suspended, and two of there lineman? - there actually should be a blog about how D.J Hall got left out of the All SEC line-up this year, despite him closing in on records at Alabama.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on October 23, 2007 11:42 AM — 198.211.223.194 — link — abuse?
#21 Jonsey
You might get a better response if you tell us how you really feel about the blog. And please, feel free to use your best Al Pacino impersonation to get your point across. I agree with you, this entire blog is out of order!
Congrats to Alabama on a big win. The Crimson Tide was simply amazing. By far, one of the most dominating performances of the year. And to think that backups had to start and were able to play at that level for four quarters. Again, simply amazing! .......okay enough, I can't keep this up. Good Job Saban, now lets move on.
posted on October 23, 2007 11:58 AM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?War Eagle Atlanta
said:
I agree. Let's start by renaming it "The BAMA fanblogs.com" You know, this blog was co-founded by Bama Homer Pete Holiday, so I'm sure the thought crossed his mind.
On second thought, let's not. There's already another Bama Blog out there. It's called the Paul Finebaum column...
Bham Tiger said:
posted on October 23, 2007 5:02 PM — 67.78.225.112 — link — abuse?
Jonsey, when you say Bama is talked about most, do you mean because Bama's 2 loss team is ranked below Auburn's 3 loss team in the BCS? Not to mention the USA Today Poll, Harris Poll, and the Coaches Poll. And just bearly above Auburn in the AP? Because, if that is what you meant...then you have a good point.
OU Fan said:
posted on October 24, 2007 6:21 AM — 139.139.51.70 — link — abuse?
jonsey post #21, not to take anything away from Bama's big win, but Tennesse has been wooped by different teams multilple times this year. And remember Tennesse lost to Cal, and Cal lost to UCLA and Oregon State. And UCLA got destroyed by Utah and lost to Notre Dame. BOOMER SOONER!
Lennie Collins
posted on October 24, 2007 11:11 AM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
Jonesy (Comments #28 & #31) please define tough? It seems that that word is used a lot with: Overrated, Parity, Confidence, Momentum, and Tradition in College Football. As with everything else in life we all have different opinions on what something(s) means! I personally hate these words.
OU-Ron
posted on October 24, 2007 12:26 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
Jonsey, Yes I would say Texas and Missouri are both good and tough teams. Alabama is a much improved team and getting better, but just because they’re getting better doesn’t mean that they’re now the greatest thing since sliced bread. They have to play LSU next, I personally think LSU will beat Alabama like a drum. Beat LSU and you might get some support. TE will say it better in his next book.
Lennie Collins
posted on October 24, 2007 12:46 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
Ou Ron let's look at some "parity" comments. Mississippi State beat Auburn, Alabama beats Mississippi not by a lot, Vanderbilt beats South Carolina, Kentucky beats Louisiana State...THAT IS PARITY. I call it the SEC is not that tough! Arkansas State loses to texas by 8 and texas "needed" that to get ready for Oklahoma? Oklahoma beats Iowa State by 10 and they are overrated? Oklahoma beats texas so what does that make texas? I will admit that Oklahoma should have beaten Iowa Mistake by more. Oklahoma needs to stop this trend....get up for good teams but play down to not so good teams.
OU Fan said:
posted on October 24, 2007 4:07 PM — 84.146.54.79 — link — abuse?
Jonsey post #28, does the University of Miami ring a bell? You know, the Miami team whom the
Sooners hung 51 on but those Canes rebounded and recently beat the Noles who beat your Tide. Jonsey, I would put money on OU, Mizzou, Texas, and Kansas to beat the Tide. The OU-Bama series: 2-1-1 OU. BOOMER SOONER!Tomcat said:
posted on October 24, 2007 6:18 PM — 69.153.89.33 — link — abuse?
Okay OU Ron Gotta add some SEC,XII,ACC into the mix
OK st > TTech > A&M > NEB > WAKE > FSU > Bama > Tenn > UGA > Ok St
tryed to start & stop with the same team
short one
A&M > Ok St > TTech > A&M
Hookem Horns
UT only 6 turnovers away from #1Tomcat said:
posted on October 24, 2007 8:30 PM — 69.153.89.33 — link — abuse?
Ya Ron Thank goodness BU had some turnovers Saturday, even though the Horns won by 21 points it was 17-10 in the 4th.
Absurd chains?
Aurb > K St > Colo > OU > Missu > Ole Miss > Memphis > Rice > S Miss > UCF > Tulsa > BYU > Wyoming > UVA >Maryland > G Tech > Miami > FSU > Bama > Tenn > UGA > Vandy > S Car > KY > LSU > Aurbprediction
Texas A&M over KU at Kyle Feild
Hookem-HornsOU Fan said:
posted on October 25, 2007 1:26 AM — 139.139.51.70 — link — abuse?
Rammer Jammer, you're 100 percent correct. Mistakes and a last second field goal cost the Sooners the game against CU. And I was simpily letting Jonsey know whom OU has played this year ie Miami, Mizzou, and Texas. The OU-Bama series: 2-1-1 OU. BOOMER SOONER!
jonsey said:
posted on October 25, 2007 2:05 PM — 167.197.127.130 — link — abuse?
OU Ron
i know who Oklahoma has played. But why do you want to down-grade the significance of a blow out over a rival team that has never been done before to that magnitude? fact is-Tennesse is still a SEC team.
I think Tennesse,GA,UF,LSU,Vandy,MSU,Bama,AU,SC,KU would all give OU a run for there money. i think 5-6 could possibly beat yall.I know how OU stays ranked every year-yall don't play anyone all season. Reason not to like Oklahoma- Alabama beat them in 2003, but the ref's made a bad call.
And in 2004, Auburn should have been in the national championship, not OU. Simply because yall got BLOWN OUT by USC.
OU is very lucky to have a lead on the series. I'm glad yall have refs like LSU. IF you don't know what im talking about, just ask Steve Spurrier.
OU Fan said:
posted on October 25, 2007 3:24 PM — 84.146.5.84 — link — abuse?
OU-Ron, Jonsey is confused as I assume you have noticed by reading his post. Jonsey says OU plays nobody. What planet are you from Jonsey? Lets see, OU played and beat Miami this year. In 2009, Oklahoma plays Miami at Miami. Oklahoma plays Florida State next year in Tallahassee and Florida State will return the favor in Norman. The word on the street is OU will possibly play Tennessee or Ohio State in future upcoming matchups. Oklahoma has a future upcoming matchup with Notre Dame and Cincinatti. Last season, Oklahoma played Oregon at Oregon and hosted the Washington Huskies, 2 BCS teams from the Pac-10. I'm sure you haven't forgotten about the home and away series OU had with Bama a few years back, you know one of the games where you stated Oklahoma only won because the Refs cheated Bama. Jonsey, do you remember that fake punt Oklahoma ran against Bama in Tuscaloosa?? I'm sure you haven't forgotten. Jonsey, I forgot to mention UCLA and TCU, 2 respectful Div 1 opponents whom the Sooners played in 2005. Jonsey, you're ridiculous to say Oklahoma plays nobody. Jonsey, didn't the mighty Tide lose to Oklahoma State last year?? The OU-Bama series: 2-1-1 OU. BOOMER SOONER!
Lennie Collins
posted on October 25, 2007 9:34 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
OU Fan(Comment #15) Oklahoma does not play Florida State until 2010(Home) and 2011(Away). Oklahoma does not play Tennessee until 2014(Home) and 2015(Away). Oklahoma plays Cincinnati at home and Washington on the road so far in 2008. Rumor has it that Texas Christian will be visiting Norman or Oklahoma will be visting Fort Worth 09/13/2008, that is if Stanford will agree to move their game with TCU from 09/13/2008 to 09/20/2008 at TCU. So far Oklahoma is looking for someone "easy" to open the season at home with. Don't be surprised if New Mexico State is the season opener. Tulsa, North Texas, and Arkansas State won't be available! You can go to: www.nationchamps.net to look up many teams future schedules. Oklahoma oddly has their 2010 schedule completed (Utah State, Florida State, Air Force, at Cincinnati) but their 2008 and 2009 isn't? Over the last two years I have heard "rumors" that they want to play Michigan, Ohio State, Southern California, California, and Pennslyvania State. These are all rumors now! NOT A THING HAS BEEN CONFIRMED. I know I gonna hear "they are scared of USC" because of the National Title Game in 2004 and so on but yes I read in 2005 on an "UNOFFICIAL" Oklahoma webpage that they do wanna schedule USC.
Lennie Collins
posted on October 25, 2007 9:58 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
Jonesy(Comment #46) Please, please, please explain to me what is a "nobody"? Fact, Oklahoma is the only team in the Big 12 that has not played a Division 1-AA schools since the league started 11 years ago. Fact, SEC has played more Division 1-AA schools than all the other BCS conferences combined! If you want to go by "name" only Colorado schedule over the next five years looks better than Oklahoma as far as the Big 12 is concerned. I know that teams are going to be different in the future. If you wanna compare your team schedule against Oklahoma's you can go to www.nationchamps.net. I am sure all the SEC teams got at least one Division 1-AA opponent on their future schedules, Fact!
jonsey said:
posted on October 26, 2007 8:28 AM — 167.197.127.130 — link — abuse?
Lennie Collins:
How about you compare how many ranked opponents OU play during their season. That's all anybody can go on. OU has played 2 ranked teams. ALabama will play 4 after they play LSU. 5 after they play Auburn.Lennie Collins
posted on October 26, 2007 2:38 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
Jonesy (Comment #53) first you say Oklahoma plays nobody but yet you bring up ranked opponents. So Oklahoma played 2 ranked opponents and Alabama played 4? So if you going to used that has a standard is texas ranked? Is Missouri? Then that's somebody! Oklahoma did beat Alabama head to head the last two times they played! OU! THE REAL CRIMSON AND CREAM TRUE!
OU-Ron
posted on October 26, 2007 4:21 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
@46 jonesy, Your comment "OU is very lucky to have a lead on the series. I'm glad yall have refs like LSU. IF you don't know what im talking about, just ask Steve Spurrier."
Since I can't seem to reach my old pal Steve, why don't you tell me what you're talking about, and also, don't Alabama have the same Ref's as LSU, I think they're all in the SEC...Tomcat said:
posted on October 26, 2007 7:48 PM — 69.153.88.179 — link — abuse?
@ jonesy You said that OU doesnt play anybody.I really like Alabama and their O.C. Major Applewhite. They play Texas every year.When Alabama won one of their Championships 64 they only lost one game Texas 21 Bama 17. Texas has played Bama 8 times and its Texas 7-0-1.
If you'll look into NCAA records you will find that UT all time win .715
OU all time win .761
Neb .710
Bama .706
Tenn .695
The XII has good teams and they have three with the most ten win seasons and so does the SEC
OK, Neb,TEX
Bama, Tenn, UGa
Texas against SEC
UT vs LSU 9-7-1
UT vs Ark 55-21
UT vs Tenn 2-1
UT vs Aub 5-3
UT vs O Miss 5-1
UT vs Fla 2-0-1
UT vs UGa 3-1
Dont say that OU plays nobody
Hookem-HornsLennie Collins
posted on October 26, 2007 8:16 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
Jonesy just remember it is people that rank teams not the teams that do it. I personally don't like saying Oklahoma has played a "ranked" texas or Missouri because they are conference opponents and you HAVE TO PLAY THEM! I judge teams' toughness on their nonconference schedules because the coaches and AD's pick who they wanna play. A few teams are gonna stick to the if you wanna be the best you gotta beat the best aka COLORADO. Some teams are gonna say why play the best if the voters are gonna look at wins/losses. I don't have anything against the SEC but I get confused when a Mississippi State beats an Auburn and I hear SEC fans say It's parity and that why the SEC is so tough! But when a Colorado beats an Oklahoma, boy is Oklahoma OVERRATED! You don't see the double talk? I will say it here right now there is no better or tough conference in College Football. All Conferences have 2 or 3 dominant teams, 4 or 6 average teams, and 2 or 3 terrible teams. No conference has never had all it's teams finished with winning records since I have been watching College Football.
Big Tide said:
posted on October 26, 2007 9:16 PM — 12.208.88.211 — link — abuse?
Tomcat #56, You bring up an excellent point with Texas. Alabama has losing records all time against Michigan and Notre Dame as well. But more than any other school I wish Bama would schedule Texas. I was out in Austin several years ago and I was blown away by that campus. The fact that you all have what amounts to a small stadium next to the big stadium is amazing. No shortage of money at that school. Hopefully we can have a home-home series with Texas one day.
Lennie Collins
posted on October 26, 2007 9:50 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
Big Tide(Comment #58) that is what I would like to see one day. All the "big" name football programs play each other. I would watch Texas and Alabama. These schools should realize that's what most fans want, well at least I do! Oklahoma plays Cincinnati next year. No disrespect to the Bearcats but would THE OHIO STATE at OKLAHOMA brings more BANG, BANG, BANG, to it it? I think all big time programs nonconference schedules should all be marquee games. I can just imagine the exposure a team would get if they had the gall to do it?
Zac said:
posted on October 26, 2007 10:48 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Wait a minute; wait a minute. What's this in Post 56? A TX Long Horn is putting up for an OK Sooner?!?
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
It's chaos; it's anarchy; it's a precursor to the apocalypse!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Ahem, right on, Tomcat!!!
40 Acres of Burnt Orange
posted on October 27, 2007 2:25 AM — 192.94.94.106 — link — abuse? said:
@ #59 Yeah lennie i think everyone wants to see the big programs play each other, but nowadays schools hate to schedule non conference games with big name opponents. They would rather blow out a couple of no name teams and then concentrate on the conference games. You have to commend OU, Texas, and other schools who have the balls to schedule big name non conference opponents. I would love to see Tennessee, Cal, Alabama, Notre Dame, and Florida on our schedule in the future. Next year we got Arkansas which is one of the most underrated rivalries in college football. Well thats my 2 cents. Hook Em Horns!
Tomcat said:
posted on October 27, 2007 11:25 AM — 69.153.88.179 — link — abuse?
#58 Big Tide I would love to see a UT vs Bama or UT vs LSU game,and we as fans like the big time non-conference games.I remember a couple of home & home series with Auburn and that was purty cool.I would love to see the Horns face a team from the SEC in a bowl game.The Horns have another home & home series coming up against the Hogs an old ex-rival.The last time against Arkansas the series split 1-1 with the visiting team winning, same thing happened with the UT vs OSU series.
#60 Zac Na man, we all know that OU hates UT and we face each other every year, but I couldnt remain silent we a Bama fan claims that OU plays nobody or the XII is weak, bla bla bla.
I heard coach Rodriguez press conference this week and he said that you cannot determine strength of schedule until the season is over and I agree with the coach.For example todays UT vs Neb game is probably not a big game on a national scale to the media, but its still Neb vs UT a game that means alot to both programs. Nebraska has lost a few this year against some tough teams, USC, Ok St and A&M.Prior to the season starting alot of folks had this game circled as a markee matchup between two national powers and now this games importance is somewhat deminissed.
The Longhorns better bring their A game because the fans and the pubilic are gonna give them hell.
If the Horns lose they will say they suck and if they win, they will say they should have.
The expectations for a program like UT are ridiculas, for example last week they had a 21 point victory and were critisized.
Who would have ever thought that todays KU at A&M would be the spotlight game in the XII.
Its still KU at A&M and the Jayhawks are going down again.I beleive that the Aggies have beat the Jayhawks 7 times in a row and today will be no different at Kyle feild.
Hookem-Horns
Gigem-Aggies
Roll Tide
OU Sux
Lennie Collins
posted on October 31, 2007 6:11 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
OU Fan(Comment #49) and OU Ron, it looks like Oklahoma will be finalizing that deal to play TCU next year(09/27/08) and also for the 2012 season. According to www.soonerstat.com it looks like Ohio State, Michigan, Louisiana State, North Carolina, Army, and more games with Florida State will be on future schedules.
Lennie Collins
posted on October 31, 2007 6:27 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
OU Ron...you and TE as well as I might not care by then. The games are scheduled for 2018 and 2019. But it is possible they might move them up. Oklahoma AD stated that he is going to make sure Oklahoma plays a BIG NAME program at home and on the road the next few years. The Ohio State and Oklahoma games are scheduled for 2015 and 2016.
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Regan said:
posted on October 22, 2007 4:02 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?The Chain-of-Defeat is usually interesting, but sorry...it is just WAY too easy this year :-)