November 4, 2007
College Football Top 25 Polls - Week 11
College football top 25 standings as of Week 11 (November 4, 2007).
BCS Top 25 Poll
1. Ohio State
2. LSU
3. Oregon
4. Kansas
5. Oklahoma
6. Missouri
7. West Virginia
8. Boston College
9. Arizona State
10. Georgia
11. Virginia Tech
12. Michigan
13. Connecticut
14. Texas
15. Florida
16. Hawaii
17. USC
18. Auburn
19. Virginia
20. Boise State
21. Clemson
22. Alabama
23. Penn State
24. Tennessee
25. Kentucky
AP College Football Top 25
1. Ohio State (60)
2. LSU (5)
3. Oregon
4. Oklahoma
5. Kansas
6. West Virginia
7. Missouri
8. Boston College
9. Arizona State
10. Georgia
11. Virginia Tech
12. USC
13. Michigan
14. Hawaii
15. Texas
16. Connecticut
17. Florida
18. Auburn
19. Boise State
20. Clemson
21. Alabama
22. Tennessee
23. Virginia
24. California
24. Kentucky
USA Today College Football Poll
1. Ohio State (55)
2. LSU (1)
3. Oregon (2)
4. Oklahoma (2)
5. Kansas
6. West Virginia
7. Missouri
8. Boston College
9. Arizona State
10. Georgia
11. Virginia Tech
12. Hawaii
13. Michigan
14. Texas
15. USC
16. Connecticut
17. Auburn
18. Florida
19. Boise State
20. Clemson
21. Virginia
22. Kentucky
23. Alabama
24. Tennessee
25. Penn State
Harris Interactive Top 25 Poll
1. Ohio State (112)
2. LSU
3. Oregon (1)
4. Oklahoma
5. Kansas
6. West Virginia
7. Missouri
8. Boston College
9. Arizona State
10. Hawaii
11. Georgia
12. Texas
13. Virginia Tech
14. USC
15. Michigan
16. Connecticut
17. Florida
18. Auburn
19. Boise State
20. Clemson
21. Virginia
22. Alabama
23. Kentucky
24. Tennessee
25. California
Master Coaches Poll
1. Ohio State (17)
2. LSU
3. Oregon
4. Oklahoma
5. Kansas
6. West Virginia
7. Missouri
8. Arizona State
9. Boston College
10. Michigan
11. Georgia
12. USC
13. Texas
14. Virginia Tech
15. Hawaii
16. Auburn
17. Florida
18. Connecticut
19. Alabama
20. Tennessee
21. Boise State
22. Clemson
23. Virginia
24. California
25. Illinois
Comments:
posted on November 4, 2007 7:40 PM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue
said:
I think we're headed towards an Oregon-LSU game (with the implied tOSU loss). I could justify that in my mind - definitely two of the top teams in the country. LSU aka Cardiac Cats need to get back to playing a complete 60 minutes, rather than getting into a pattern pulling games out with superior talent.
I am a little surprised to see FSU just outside the top 25. I thought the game against BC was the Noles best outing of the year... on the road... in a storm.
1st_and_NOLE
posted on November 4, 2007 8:48 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse? said:
Kev #2:
I'm kinda glad we ARENT ranked. Every time we make our way into the polls we lose the next game.
However, if we beat VT next week there's no doubt we'll be back in the polls. IF that happens, hopefully we can hold our ranking against Maryland.
FromVT said:
posted on November 4, 2007 8:52 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
#1, why do you think that? I had heard before this week that when the BCS factors in strength of schedule, and following the SEC Championship that LSU would most likely overtake Boston College (assuming both teams had won out). Not sure how Oregon could over take LSU.
That being said, I think Oregon should be in the National Championship game based on what I have seen from them. They look like a very deserving team.
FromVT said:
posted on November 4, 2007 9:08 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
Wait, SOS is not a factor in the BCS, it is however figured into the computer rankings. So maybe that is where some people thought LSU could overtake BC.
Rivals.com has a "THE BCS: A CLOSER LOOK". Sked is Strength of Schedule used by the computers.
Team (Last week) Harris Coaches Comp. Sked
1. Ohio State (1st) 1st 1st 1st 57th
2. LSU (3rd) 2nd 2nd 2nd 13th
3. Oregon (5th) 3rd 3rd 3rd 3rd
4. Kansas (8th) 5th 5th 4th 84th
5. Oklahoma (6th) 4th 4th 7th 44th
6. Missouri (9th) 7th 7th 8th 48th
7. West Virginia (7th) 6th 6th 12th 88th
8. Boston College (2nd) 8th 8th 6th T-40th
9. Arizona State (4th) 9th 9th 5th T-53rd
10. Georgia (10th) 11th 10th 9th T-18th
11. Virginia Tech (11th) 13th 11th T-10th T-18th
12. Michigan (12th) 15th 13th 13th 45thI thought that Oregon and LSU had two of the tougher SOS this year, which this shows. No idea how they figure that out though.
gOSU27 said:
posted on November 4, 2007 9:14 PM — 207.74.25.36 — link — abuse?
who is ohio state gonna lost to??
no, im confident that they could beat LSU. if anyone watched that game, les miles is an idiot and they will get about as far as notre dame under weis
i like oregon but i just havent seen enough to say much
1st_and_NOLE
posted on November 4, 2007 9:14 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse? said:
@ Ramblin' #5:
Thanks man. Boy, that win sure makes me feel A LOT better about the rest of the season. Granted, it's still a LONG season with two insanely tough road games (including a trip to your Swamp) but that win really helped our confidence going down the stretch.
Now, if we can pull out back to back big road wins we'll be sitting pretty. But... lets not get ahead of ourselves.
gOSU27 said:
posted on November 4, 2007 9:20 PM — 207.74.25.36 — link — abuse?
and kansas gets all this hype and no one says anything about their SOS!
idk but it seems like if espn says something enough, everyone believes it.
and i just noticed something about 3 powerhouses. Texas has vince young. then they get colt mccoy and espn says hes gonna be amazing. USC gets matt leinart. then espn says john david booty is gonna be amazing. ohio state gets troy smith. then all they talk about is how ohio state is gonna struggle without troy smith.
i know they r all over todd boeckmann now, but espn controls the sports world right now. they can make everyone believe almost anything
Geauxtigers0107 said:
posted on November 4, 2007 9:45 PM — 144.5.224.142 — link — abuse?
#7
"they will get about as far as notre dame under weis"
..........are you huffing Liquid Paper again? LOLThose two programs are about as far apart as they could possibly be. C'mon man..relax. Stop with all the hate-n.
My favorite:
"somebody in the SEC east is gonan have to step up and take out LSU"LOL
Sounds like you don't want any part of the Tigers in the NC game...or maybe it's just the SEC (thx Fla...lol).
#10 and #12:
Well Said.
Geaux SEC
Geaux TigerstheBUCKEYEstopshere said:
posted on November 4, 2007 9:51 PM — 72.154.100.102 — link — abuse?
#12 GaytorMatt
Learn what? What are you implying? I hope you don't expect Ohio St. fans not to have confidence in their team and make comments suggesting that confidence. If that's what we don't seem to learn, don't hold your breath cause that isn’t changing, bud.
gOSU27 said:
posted on November 4, 2007 9:58 PM — 207.74.25.36 — link — abuse?
lol maybe ur right
u guys came to play last year
but i still think osu has it in them this year
this LSU team cant even match floridas team last yeari think if florida got another go, they could beat LSU also
so SEC fans, do u think ohio state could take oregon??
Tom Blogical
posted on November 4, 2007 10:05 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
GatorMatt: (#12):
"Ohio State fans just don't seem to learn do they?"
Actually, it's a lot of commenters around here that don't seem to learn. It started around the Minnesota game, where OSU fans heard how Minnesota was going to beat OSU up in the Metrodome, a place where they've never lost (and never will, since it'll be torn down).
To quote gatorhippy, "And we all know how that turned out..."
Then, it was how Purdue was going to bring OSU back to earth in West Lafayette.
"And we all know how that turned out..."
Heard a little rumbling about Michigan State and that they'll give OSU a lot of problems.
"And we all know how that turned out..."
Then, it was all about how Penn State was going to "expose" Ohio State in Happy Valley.
"And we all know how that turned out..."
Go ahead. Keep up the disrespect. It'll just add to all the disrespect they've been getting from everybody all year long, and the motivation they get from it will just continue to build. They've had a giant chip on their shoulders since January 9th, and it gets bigger every week, so please continue to talk about that game.
I'm personally glad to see all the naysayers. You're helping. (:-D)
Tom Blogical
posted on November 4, 2007 10:18 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
gatorhippy (#16):
"Actually, I believe this is shaping up like a classic Buckeyes season...Undefeated until losing to Michigan..."
You're stuck in the John Cooper era. This is the Jim Tressel era. He's actually 5-1 against Michigan...including 2-0 when his teams are undefeated.
But, you could be right this year. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. ;-)
theBUCKEYEstopshere said:
posted on November 4, 2007 10:21 PM — 72.154.100.102 — link — abuse?
Another thing, why are there so many SEC homers? You don't hear Pac10 or Big12 people proclaiming how great their conference is every year. And the conference in which the Buckeyes play I will defend but I don't exactly promote it and either do fans from the ACC or the Big East when it comes to their respective teams. No, us here in the rest of the country seem to just pick a team and support them. Fans of teams in the SEC seem like bigger fans of their conference than their team. If the SEC is truly so great then why does it have to be said all the time? It's just funny how delusional and arrogant some SEC fans can be. They put themselves in a bubble, tell everyone their the best, dismiss or don't acknowledge when they lose, and then gloat when they win. By the way I live in Jax, FL and listen to local sports talk radio most of the day while working, I can speak for how the fans of the south are.
gOSU27 said:
posted on November 4, 2007 10:22 PM — 207.74.25.36 — link — abuse?
wow tom us ohio state fans arent liked much around here lol
i may have started that one but SEC people will get on us as soon as they have a chance. i think people need to get over last year and on to this year, except for the osu team...
Tom Blogical
posted on November 4, 2007 10:31 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
gOSU27 (#21):
Well, they don't really hate us...after all, who else would they pick on? We did have it coming after January 8th after all.
Oh, that's right...Notre Dame fans. I'd rather get hazed for getting blown out in the NC game than hear stuff about a 1-win season at this time of the year. Did I say that? Sorry ND fans...
gatorhippy
posted on November 4, 2007 10:36 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse? said:
Tom B (#19):
I actually hope the Nuts can win out...
My best friend and business partner is a huge tOSU fan that attended the LSU game with me and the BCSCG last season...
And we've already decided to make the return trip if the Nuts win out...
Unfortunately, I just got a feeling that Michigan is hungrier and looking to prove more with their early losses and their tight loss last season to tOSU...
Tom Blogical
posted on November 4, 2007 10:45 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
gatorhippy (#24):
Unfortunately, I just got a feeling that Michigan is hungrier and looking to prove more with their early losses and their tight loss last season to tOSU..."
Yeah, that's possibly true. I disagree somewhat with the "hungrier" statement but agree with the "looking to prove more statement". That will be OSU's toughest game of the season by far. You also forget another factor going in Michigan's favor...OSU has won 3 straight against them. Hart and Henne have never beaten OSU. With the game in Ann Arbor it's going to be tough to beat them this year. However, if Michigan can beat MSU 5 straight times...
But it would be sweet revenge if they did win up there (sorry mgoblue). The 90s was a painful decade. Thankfully, the John Cooper era is starting to fade away.
Zac said:
posted on November 4, 2007 11:05 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
I would like to put the ND/Navy game in perspective. Earlier this season Navy played Rutgers in Piscataway. Navy ran up & down the field; put up almost 300 yards rushing. They attempted 6 passes; 5 were intercepted. Had they done nothing but run, they might have might have made it closer, if not have won.
Now, here they are against the Irish, and what happens? They throw 9, complete 6, one for a TD, the other for the wining 2pts in OT, and NO INT's. What's up with that?
Bama fans I know & feel your pain. C-Dog & Cane Mutiny can tell you about a Miami miracle in Morgantown some years back. Now, imagine OK St fans. What's this, 3 years in a row TX has come back to win that one after they were down big? That's something PA St did to my Mountaineers more than once.
I'm not at all surprised to see AS St or BC go down. I like Matt Ryan, and BC's defense still doesn't get enough respect, but the Eagles have been fortunate on occasion, even Doug Flutie said so. AS St, on the other hand, lost AT #4 OR. In fact, if you look at the Top 10 teams which have lost a game, only AS St, LSU, and WVU lost on the home field of a team ranked at that time. OK, S FL, & UConn lost away games, but they were to unranked teams. The rest lost at home……to unranked teams.
The NE situation, I would say has reached a head. This once proud and nationally dominant program is in a shambles. It's a crying shame when great programs become "once-great-programs". AL is one program that comes to mind. (Worry not, Bama faithful; games like this past loss will soon become wins.) They, at least, look finally to be on the mend. NE needs big time help, and fast.
As for the polls, Cowbell05(Post 23) asked who could beat LSU. Frankly, AR can. If McFadden & company are sharp, and their "D" comes to play, it could happen as easily as KY having done it. If not AR, there's always the SEC Championship. If not there, hey, that's college football, folks.
gOSU27 (Post 7) asked who OSU could loose to. With IL & MI remaining, one might think the only stumbling block is MI. IL just might surprise them. In this wacky season, all bets are off. Again, if neither IL nor MI, then who knows? The point is they earned their place. What with all this OSU bashing going on, does anyone know if Hart will be ready to play when OSU arrives at the Big House?
As far as what has to happen for a 2 loss team like TX or GA to get to the NC game, I read the SEC East scenario and got a headache. If nobody minds, I'll just sit back and see what happens.
russnrvr said:
posted on November 4, 2007 11:14 PM — 75.131.230.151 — link — abuse?
OK, Let's do a quick look at some schedule comparisons.
Question to ponder: How many CURRENT TOP 25 teams have the current TOP 5 beat.
Ohio State -- 0-0, Has not played a current top 25 team!
LSU -- 4-1, Has beat 4 outright and lost to a then ranked #17 UK on the road in triple OT.
Oregon -- 3-1, Has beat 3 outright and lost at home to a then ranked #6 Cal.
Oklahoma -- 2-0, Has beat 2 outright, but lost to an unranked CU team on the road.
Kansas -- 0-0, Has not played a current top 25 team!
Clearly as it stands right now, the two teams that have had the strongest schedule and have been successful with their schedule are LSU and Oregon. In my view, Ohio State and Kansas have not proved as much about their team as Oregon and LSU. Oklahoma would be ranked third on my list. How can Ohio State and Kansas be valued in the same breath as teams that have played against and won against current top 25 teams?
My Point: If LSU wins out (they may play 1 or 2 more top 25 teams by the end of the season)and Oregon wins out (very probable), I do not see how these two would not play for a national championship. Ohio State is NOT the indisputable #1 team in my book.
Tom Blogical
posted on November 4, 2007 11:35 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
"Question to ponder: How many CURRENT TOP 25 teams have the current TOP 5 beat. Ohio State -- 0-0, Has not played a current top 25 team! Kansas -- 0-0, Has not played a current top 25 team!"
You can look at it that way if you want to. I look at it this way--OSU has played Top 25 teams at the time they played them, but when they clobbered them they dropped out of the Top 25. I guess it depends on the perspective you choose, doesn't it?
Also, you're point says the pollsters are full of crap to have OSU at #1 and Kansas #5, so basically the Top 25 is garbage. Well, you can't logically sit there and use the same garbage Top 25 to "prove" OSU doesn't deserve it's #1 ranking and Kansas' its #5 ranking.
That's cherry picking at it's finest. You've built quite the straw man, though. Keep beating it up if you want.
It's the same deal every year, and it's really simple. Run the table and beat the scrubs of your conference, or run the risk of not getting to the BCS Championship Game.
GatorMatt
posted on November 4, 2007 11:50 PM — 70.171.18.91 — link — abuse? said:
I for one would like to see a NC where the game is close, like 2 years ago (I did like last years game however). If OSU makes it to the game, I seriously doubt they will be prepared for what they could face. If it's LSU, that team looks a lot like Florida's last year, winning with defense and getting penalized left and right. OSU could be a great team, I don't know. But from the teams they've played, you can't really tell that. And I don't consider Penn State that great of a team, and Wisconsin isn't exactly a power either. If they go undefeated, then I think they should be allowed to play. However, I don't think it will be pretty for the Buckeyes
TE
posted on November 5, 2007 12:14 AM — 70.180.45.10 — link — abuse? said:
Ohio State fans...Your conference is weak. The constant "talk" isn't by fans, but by the media, who are trying to prop up their own straw man...
That man being your team, the one that's undefeatede yet untested, and is one loss away from once again proving that the class of your conference doesn't stand a chance outside of your conference...
Witness your bowl game losses, witness your precious Michigan's start this year, and let's see how you play against them. You could impress, and at the least, validate your place in the National Title conversation.
At worst, you're going to be the standard bearer of your conference that-two years in a row-will be humbled, embarassed, and serves to sober up a media that for some reason (historical bias, perhaps?) continues to prop up your conference at a national level.
The SEC beats the crap out of itself, just like you do...Let's throw out the Top 25 argument, and look at the brass tacks here.
LSU is at the top of a conference that could very easily get ELEVEN teams bowl eligible. We have beaten the standard bearers of our conference, and stumbled once on the road in triple overtime.
You are at the top of a conference that is average at best, and aside from yourselves, has seen everything from the ignominious and often lamented facts that are now a sad corner of college football lore (you know I'm talking about Meeshegan here), to the improbable (a media ranked Top 5 'Sconsin team that was a -5 point DOG to an unranked Illinois squad)...
Yet you beat your chest because...what? You're undefeated? Because historically you're good?
Show us your wampum belt here? What great teams have you beaten? Tell me what they've done...Tell me who they are...Tell me how talented they are...
Purdue? Oh, really? Wow! Wait...Penn State and Joe "Weekend At Bernie's Meets Fox's When Road Rage Attacks" Paterno, the Absentee Landlord of College Football? Who exactly are you hanging your hat on? What sort of body of work are you bringing to the table?
Again, valedictorian awards are not given out to the kids who had perfect attendance. They don't award honor graduate degrees for General Studies Majors (Though they often do get on the Dean's List to show mom & pops)...
You are not the best team. You're just undefeated. Whether Michigan, Illinois, or LSU has to show you, we don't mind...One of your also-ran conference members will prove it, or we will.
But, we'll issue it out...With extreme prejudice.
Ya'll make plans for 'Nawlins...If you come, I promise I've got the first Hand Grenade at Tropical Isle on Bourbon...
Tom Blogical
posted on November 5, 2007 12:18 AM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
GatorMatt (#30):
That's a fair statement to make. I hope you're wrong, but it will be a tough 2 games and the bowl game for the Buckeyes.
I'm very pleased with the 10-0 record so far, 20 straight conference wins, 32-3 record since the beginning of 2005, 5-1 record against Michigan and 4-2 record in bowls since 2001, back-to-back Big 10(11) championships, NC appearance last year (this year), 2002 National Championship...
It's a great time to be a Buckeye fan...
Zac said:
posted on November 5, 2007 12:39 AM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
TomB, I for one, feel your pain. The exact same arguments used against your OSU Buckeyes were used last year against WVU. They all revolved around strength of schedule. While I must admit, strength of schedule should be a consideration; it should not be THE consideration.
WVU Head Coach, Rich Rodriguez, not to mention a number of coaches in the Big East, has said repeatedly how difficult it is now-a-days for teams to go undefeated in college football. The best team can have all of the wrong things happen on just the right Saturday (or Wed, Thur, Fri, etc.) and blam-o, you have an upset.
Rightly or wrongly, if OSU goes undefeated, I don't care what the rest of the college football world does, OSU should be in the NC game. Make the case using last year's Boise St. OSU is NOT Boise St., and the schedule OSU plays is far tougher this year, than that of Boise St's last year. It may not be to everyone's liking, but I don't see too many ACC or Big East teams doing much better with it than OSU. Just a thought.
Geauxtigers0107 said:
posted on November 5, 2007 12:41 AM — 144.5.224.142 — link — abuse?
@#15
"so SEC fans, do u think ohio state could take oregon??"hhmmmmm....THAT would be a good game. Oregon's offense is smooth but OSU is, well, OSU....a tough, talented football team with (to quote TomBlogical) "a chip on their shoulder". Well said BTW, TB.
And I disagree with OSU fans not being liked also. I've got no problems with any of them and can understand their passion for their team..as it should be. Maybe it's got something to do with everyone else always hearing the media tell us how great they are...aaalllllll theeeeeeee tttiiimmmmeeeee. LOL. You have to give credit were credit is due though and they deserve it. I guess we could argue "till the sun comes up" about who's played who and strength of schedule and this and that, blah blah blah. Most everyone here could bring up points about their fav team and be right but "that's why they play the games". So here's looking forward to another bowl season and hoping the Tigers of LSU can take care of their remaining games (and hopefully slow down McFadden), then win the SEC.
If that happens, of course it's off to the neutral site (LOL) of N'awlins, La and another shot at the big one.
Geaux SEC
Geaux Tigers
(now where did I put that defibulator)Tom Blogical
posted on November 5, 2007 12:46 AM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
TE (#31):
The only people beating their chest around here is you and other SEC fans. The second an OSU fan says something in defense, we're beating our chests? Please.
You can say what you want, I really don't care. I'm personally glad that it kills you OSU is the #1 ranked team in the nation right now by all polls and the BCS. The big, bad SEC was 1-2 against the Big 10(11) last year in the Bowl games, and the Big 10(11) was 0-4 against every other conference. What does that mean? Absolutely nothing. It was last year with different rosters.
Quite honestly, I hope OSU wins out and they get LSU or Oregon, whichever team survives. They look like the strongest teams other than Ohio State, of course.
And talk about sucking hog--that's exactly what LSU was doing against Alabama last Saturday night. Kind of a pattern with them lately. They better stop screwing around with the scrub teams in the SEC, or they're going to find themselves somewhere other than 'Nawlins. Like it or not, you have to beat all the teams on your schedule, even the below average teams like Kentucky.
Now, this is my final response as far as your comment goes. I've said my piece and the season is far from over. You could prove me wrong, or I could prove you wrong. We'll just have to see.
I will say this--Glenn Dorsey is a rare talent that shows up once a decade--maybe once every 25 years. That kid is beyond stud, beyond beast. I love watching him play. I hope his knee gets healed up, and fast.
Tom Blogical
posted on November 5, 2007 12:54 AM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
Zac and Geauxtigers0107 (#33 and #34):
Well said from both you guys. I watch, with plenty of enjoyment, games from the Big 10(11) PAC 10, ACC, Big East, MAC, WAC, and yes--the SEC.
The SEC games have had the closest, and most entertaining, games to watch the entire year. And that's coming from a Big 10(11) fan.
"(now where did I put that defibulator)"
LMAO!! After watching those games, I can see why! OSU had that issue in 2002. That team turned out OK.
Tom Blogical
posted on November 5, 2007 1:06 AM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
TE (#37):
I just like getting my shots in...
Yeah, I can tell...you almost appear to have anger management issues, so I'm glad you eased up a little, bro! ;-) Tell you what, if the moon and stars align, I'll look you up for that Hand Grenade, and I'll get every other round. Never been to 'Nawlins, that would be a fun trip.
Oh, and thanks for the compliment about the "scrub" teams in our conference. Bama's Top 25, and in 2nd place in the East...
I really don't believe Bama will make it to the championship game. Hence the term, "scrub". In my opinion, anyone not in the top 2 of the entire conference is a scrub team in their conference.
"I'll put our scrubs (Kentucky, Arkansas, South Carolina, Auburn, etc.) against yours (Indiana, Purdue, 'Sconsin, etc.) any day, bud..."
It's a deal. Now which teams are playing, who, LOL!! Although, our "top scrubs" are Illinois, Penn State and Purdue--but I'm betting you'd still be game for that.
Same as BC...Until they lost, they were going to get slated in..."
Yeah, after getting to watch BC play V-Tech--it was a matter of time before they got beat by someone. I thought FSU would pull it off. I told my wife (who watches all the games with me) that Ryan would get picked if they're not careful on that last drive.
Kirston Pittman and Tyson Jackson had dominant performances because of the focus on Dorsey.
Quite honestly, I think your left DE could do pretty well without Dorsey in the game. And...I wouldn't be surprised if Dorsey isn't the #1 pick, given the Mario Williams example.
OK, I gotta get to bed now...
TE
posted on November 5, 2007 1:11 AM — 70.180.45.10 — link — abuse? said:
Tom,
I just like getting my shots in, and by the way...I am in NO way eaten up that OSU is Numero Uno...I sorta kinda like being #2...You guys are undefeated, and have the "name" and the track record...
Same as BC...Until they lost, they were going to get slated in...It worked the same way for LSU in '03...We kept winning late in the year, and kept methodically moving up, much like Florida last year...
Oh, and thanks for the compliment about the "scrub" teams in our conference. Bama's Top 25, and in 2nd place in the East...One of five teams in our Division in Bowl Contention, and-by the time we play them-Arkansas may actually be ranked to give us four out of six teams in our division ranked that way...
I'll put our scrubs (Kentucky, Arkansas, South Carolina, Auburn, etc.) against yours (Indiana, Purdue, 'Sconsin, etc.) any day, bud...
Oh, and thanks for the comments about Dorsey...The constant attention paid to him last night was a testament to the results of the defensive ends in that game. Kirston Pittman and Tyson Jackson had dominant performances because of the focus on Dorsey. Two men on every play made the safety/secondary blitz work all night (though SJJPW did throw a beautiful touchdown off his back foot in the face of a withering one in the 4th)...
We have Al Woods to replace him next year, and Charles Alexander-who tore his ACL early-will be back as well, so our interior is okay. But, we will miss that kid.
Since Anthony "Booger" McFarland back during the DiNardon't Days, we've had great D-lineman...Lavalais continued that trend...Kyle Williams & Claude Wroten continued that tradition, and now Glen sees an absolutely outstanding career coming to an end.
He's an ultimate warrior, as well...Hit again on a dubious play, goes to the lockerroom, and then emerges to come out and lead the way...still making plays...
Unbelievable...He's from Gonzales, which is about 10 minutes outside of Baton Rouge...Great human being...
Duckman said:
posted on November 5, 2007 1:28 AM — 24.237.195.228 — link — abuse?
What a weekend!
Convincing win by OSU. The more I watch them play, the better I think they are.
Thankyou FSU!!!!Good job LSU. What a great game by two very talented teams. I expected LSU to be a little more dominant, but a win is a win!
Oregon is very good on both sides of the ball. They have a lot of weapons and a great gameplan.
OSU and LSU are incharge of there own destiny at this point in time. IF they win out, we will see a LSU vs OSU NC game. I really want to see a LSU vs Oregon NC game, but I would be almost as happy with a OSU vs Oregon NC game. I am praying that one of those teams slips up!
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 5, 2007 3:02 AM — 75.120.237.127 — link — abuse?
LSU still has two conference games left including a date with Arkansas in a couple of weeks. Last night against Spurrier's South Carolina team, Darren McFadden rushed for 323 yards and Felix Jones rushed for 175 yards in a 48-36 win. South Carolina lost to LSU by 12.
It will be interesting to see how their defense handles Arkansas's running backs.
OU Fan said:
posted on November 5, 2007 7:06 AM — 139.139.51.70 — link — abuse?
3 Big 12 teams in the BCS top 6. WOW! At the beginning of this season I never saw this coming. If Mizzou loses, I doubt they will fall out of the top 10 and if Texas keeps making heroic 4th quarter comebacks, we could see 4 Big 12 teams in the BCS top 10, which will be crazy. How bout them Sooners! OU hold wins over #6 Mizzou and #14 Texas. Hopefully, Kansas wins out and Oklahoma will then hold a win over #4 Kansas. However, that is if Kansas beats Mizzou and I really can't predict the winner of that game. BOOMER SOONER!
gOSU27 said:
posted on November 5, 2007 7:16 AM — 207.74.25.36 — link — abuse?
duckman #39,
i agree that would be fun to see oregon against either LSU or OSU (preferably OSU)
now what we need is michigan to lose to wisconsin to guarantee a rose bowl berth if we were to stumble (which is probably more likely than LSU).
but again. if we make it, the last team i want to see on the other side of the field is LSU. They are obvioulsy the biggest threat and if we lost we would never hear the end from SEC fans (rightfully so)
GO BUCKS, LETS WIN OUT THIS SEASON!!!
Tom Blogical
posted on November 5, 2007 8:11 AM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
TE (#37):
I just like getting my shots in...
Yeah, I can tell...you almost appear to have anger management issues, so I'm glad you eased up a little, bro! ;-) Tell you what, if the moon and stars align, I'll look you up for that Hand Grenade, and I'll get every other round. Never been to 'Nawlins, that would be a fun trip.
Oh, and thanks for the compliment about the "scrub" teams in our conference. Bama's Top 25, and in 2nd place in the East...
I really don't believe Bama will make it to the championship game. Hence the term, "scrub". In my opinion, anyone not in the top 2 of the entire conference is a scrub team in their conference.
"I'll put our scrubs (Kentucky, Arkansas, South Carolina, Auburn, etc.) against yours (Indiana, Purdue, 'Sconsin, etc.) any day, bud..."
It's a deal. Now which teams are playing, who, LOL!! Although, our "top scrubs" are Illinois, Penn State and Purdue--but I'm betting you'd still be game for that.
Same as BC...Until they lost, they were going to get slated in..."
Yeah, after getting to watch BC play V-Tech--it was a matter of time before they got beat by someone. I thought FSU would pull it off. I told my wife (who watches all the games with me) that Ryan would get picked if they're not careful on that last drive.
Kirston Pittman and Tyson Jackson had dominant performances because of the focus on Dorsey.
Quite honestly, I think your left DE could do pretty well without Dorsey in the game. And...I wouldn't be surprised if Dorsey isn't the #1 pick, given the Mario Williams example.
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on November 5, 2007 8:38 AM — 67.97.209.36 — link — abuse?
Looks like tOSU fans just LOVE the taste of humble pie with a side order of crow! Keep talking, Buckeyes! I remember well how quiet y'all got on 1/8/2007 at about 11:00 pm eastern time. We may get to hear that same pleasant silence this time around too!
FanoftheGame said:
posted on November 5, 2007 8:51 AM — 198.211.223.194 — link — abuse?
If we ever needed a playoff system in College football, this is the year.
If tOSU stays undefeated then they deserve to be in the NC game. If Kansas beats #6 Mizzou in their last scheduled conference game, then beats a 1-loss #5 Oklahoma team in the Big 12 Chmpionship game to remain undefeated, then they deserve to play in the NC game just as much. Are either teams as good as a 1-loss Oregon or LSU team? Maybe, maybe not? It's a tough call and it would be impossible to be completely certain. If the season plays out that way, the only certainty is that it won't be settled on the field. The BCS gets to decide who deserves the NC game and there will be plenty of fans left to argue the matchup. If nothing else, this season has been one for the ages.gatorhippy
posted on November 5, 2007 9:46 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
Tom B (#19):
"You're stuck in the John Cooper era."
I believe in the history of the series that Michigan has beaten tOSU more often than not predating Cooper by more than half a century...
And in this, the "Big Game" has had a hand in deciding the B-10 title around 50 times from what I remember reading...
And in those times, Michigan has either ruined tOSU's B10 champ bid and Rose Bowl berth or forced them to split the B-10 title in over half of those games...
Michigan just has a history of booting the Buckeyes in the "nuts" (pun intended) more than the other way around...
OU-Ron
posted on November 5, 2007 10:37 AM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
gatorhippy, I agree, if Kansas wins out, but they still have to play Okla State, Missouri, and OU if OU can beat Texas Tech and Okla State. Kansas looks for real, but I really think they will lose at least one. I think it will be LSU and Ohio State in the NCG
Tom Blogical
posted on November 5, 2007 10:42 AM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
"I believe in the history of the series that Michigan has beaten tOSU more often than not predating Cooper by more than half a century..."
Well, pre-Woody was definitely before each of our times, but from 1938 to 1950 UM was 9-2-2 against OSU. Then Woody came along for 28 years.
"Michigan just has a history of booting the Buckeyes in the "nuts" (pun intended) more than the other way around..."
It's true that Michigan leads the entire series. However, it's from the John Cooper era that the current "Michigan will ruin OSU's undefeated season" mantra came from.
From 1951-1987 (combining the Woody Hayes and Earl Bruce eras), the Buckeyes were 20-15-1 against Michigan. During those times, UM ruined OSU's seasons in 1964, 1969, 1976, 1977, 1980, 1986. However, it was pretty even in the "ruining" department as OSU ruined UM's seasons in 1954, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1974 and 1975. I call the seasons ruined because the winner of the game won the Big 10 and the loser finished in 2nd. In all the rest, the games were of the "throw the records out the window" variety for at least one of the teams.
From 1988 to 2000 John Cooper was 2-10-1 against Michigan and brought undefeated teams into the game in 1993, 1995, and 1996--and lost them all.
And now, of course in contrast, we have the Jim Tressel era. As we all know, that record is 5-1.
So, overall, I think the series is quite different from your perspective of it.
CFFan said:
posted on November 5, 2007 10:49 AM — 24.105.169.66 — link — abuse?
@#31
"LSU is at the top of a conference that could very easily get ELEVEN teams bowl eligible. We have beaten the standard bearers of our conference, and stumbled once on the road in triple overtime."
LSU is a very good team but it is hard to say it is best even in SEC. LSU did beat UF and Auburn in risk and luck plays at final seconds AT HOME. They did have a luck schedule this year, and otherwise they might not sit at top of SEC right now. Same to tOSU. They have a luck schedule this year too. However, they are not just ranked at top of Big Ten but at top of nation.
tOSU lost to UF in last year NC. However, that game is over. UF was better than tOSU in that particular game. People can not say Sanford better than USC, Kentucky better than LSU, LSU better than UF... based on the games Stanford-USC, kentucky-LSU, UF-LSU. They were just better in those games.
How can people say SEC better than Pac-10 or Big Ten? There is no base for comparison. Media? Voters? You will know clearly what the polls mean when you compare current ranking to preseason ranking. They are even not close. The correct ranking will coming out after NC game. At that time, nobody will argue with you to say which conference is better than others.Lennie Collins
posted on November 5, 2007 11:03 AM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
FanOfTheGame (Comment #45) you are wrong. There should have ALWAYS been a play-off system! College Football Regular Season is the best without a doubt! But out of all the sports, College or Pro, it is the only one that has crowned co-champions. It is the only one that has more arguments on which two teams should play for the National Championship! This season will be no different.
gatorhippy
posted on November 5, 2007 11:21 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
Tom B (#49):
"So, overall, I think the series is quite different from your perspective of it."
Is it, though?
You left out...
1950, 1978,, 1997, 2003 when Michigan wins cost tOSU outright or at least a share of B10 titles when both were in contention for conference titles...
Along with 1938, 1956, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1995, 1996 and 2000 when the Wolvies were not in the conference title race and forced the Buckeyes into shared titles or cost them even a share of the title when a tOSU win would have guaranteed the Buckeyes sole ownership of the B-10 title for the season...
Surely, sharing the title when tOSU can have it outright is not a good feeling nor a successful season...
"In all the rest, the games were of the "throw the records out the window" variety for at least one of the teams."
Aren't ALL great rivalry games considered this type of game regardless of each teams record?
That's why they are rivalry games and adds more fuel to the fire when the lesser team pulls the upset...
Which Michigan has done to tOSU more than the other way around...
posted on November 5, 2007 11:55 AM — 150.176.192.1 — link — abuse? said:
#6) The computers are exactly where LSU could have past BC, and where Oregon could have past LSU.
The computers usually use an average of their own results to measure strenght of schedule. The apparent circular definition is actually relitively straightforward to solve.
Tom Blogical
posted on November 5, 2007 11:55 AM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
gatorhippy (#52):
I don't think you read my comment very carefully. You need to go back and re-read it again. I didn't leave out 1938, 1950, 1989, 1990, 1995, 1996, 1997, or 2003.
1938 and 1950 I covered in the pre-Woody part of my comment. And quite frankly, who cares? Honestly. We weren't even born then. Congrats to Michigan for being 9-2-2 from 1938 to 1950. Yip, yip, yahoo. Woody and Earle did a fine job turning that era, and the time before that, around.
1978--wow. I missed one year--a year where the Bucks finished 4th. So shoot me. Still very even during the Woody and Earle eras. That hardly detracts from my point.
1989, 1990, 1995, 1996, 1997, and 2000 I covered with the John Cooper era. I missed mentioning that '97 was an undefeated season, so yeah, that adds to my point. Thanks for helping me further solidify that the John Cooper era brought about that perception. Like I said, you're stuck in the John Cooper era.
The lone loss in the Tressel era--yeah, so? You seem to be forgetting 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, and 2006. You know--those 5 games he won? Especially 2002 and 2006--where they ended up going to National Title games as a result of beating Michigan in those years? In 2001, 2004 and 2005 OSU ruined Michigan's seasons. Thank you, again, for helping me make my point.
"Aren't ALL great rivalry games considered this type of game regardless of each teams record? That's why they are rivalry games and adds more fuel to the fire when the lesser team pulls the upset..."
Well, duh. I ignored those games because the favored team won. What's that got to do with your misguided impression of the series overall?
Which Michigan has done to tOSU more than the other way around..."
As I've quite clearly pointed out, outside of the John Cooper era, that simply hasn't been the case. Which was the main reason this entire discussion started.
Tom Blogical
posted on November 5, 2007 12:05 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
gatorhippy (#52):
When I said:
"In 2001, 2004 and 2005 OSU ruined Michigan's seasons."
I forgot that OSU ruined Michigan's season in 2006 as well. Oops--my bad.
FromVT said:
posted on November 5, 2007 12:12 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
#43 "In my opinion, anyone not in the top 2 of the entire conference is a scrub team in their conference."
OK, that is your definition.Big 10 scrubs - Illinois, Penn St, Purdue, Wisconsin
PAC-10 scrubs - USC, UCLA, Cal, Or St
Big-12 scrubs - Missouri, Texas, Ok St, (K St or Texas Tech or A&M)
SEC scrubs - Auburn, Alabama, Tennessee, FloridaThere are some real good scrub teams in there. I think the PAC-1 and the SEC beat the Big 10(11) in a face-off
gatorhippy
posted on November 5, 2007 12:50 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
Tom B(#54):
Bottom Line...
Michigan has 42 conference titles to tOSU's 31...
Of those, Michigan has beaten tOSU when their game was basically the deciding factor of the B-10 title 11 times...
While Michigan also knocked Ohio State out of the picture an additional 12 times when the game was a deciding factor in the B-10 title as a whole involving teams outside the rivalry...
If OSU wins half of those 23 games they equalize Michigan for B-10 titles....
Instead, Michigan has put boot to butt keeping the Buckeyes from acheiving the B-10 title and holding them from the Rose Bowl pre-BCS in those contests...
Again, Michigan has ruined the Bucks season more often than the other way around resoundingly...
It's practically tradition in which you are in the minority of Buckeye fans I have had this discussion with that would disagree with that statement...
Actually, the only one I can think of and I know alot of Ohio transplants down here...
grcunning said:
posted on November 5, 2007 12:59 PM — 208.51.85.57 — link — abuse?
Remember last year when all the experts told OSU they were almost gods, and unbeatable?
Remember how Troy Smith & Co. believed them?
Remember how the Buckeyes came in fat and happy after sitting around for 60 days?
Remember how Troy spent Dec polishing his mantle for the Heisman?
Remember how we got our asses kicked?
Remember, cause Tressel & Co haven't forgotten..A little note to you Ore and LSU fans...
PLEASE keep sitting around thinking you are all that.
PLEASE keep reading the experts that say OSU will get whipped again.
PLEASE talk about how all-powerful the SEC is.
PLEASE keep calling the Bucks over-rated
PLEASE keep calling it the Little10(11)
PLEASE keep talking about your awesome schedules
PLEASE keep picking OSU to lose, week after week.WHY? Because when the ball is snapped in Jan, all your fancy talk goes away.
Paybacks are hell, and somebody's gonna get steamrolled.
Lennie Collins
posted on November 5, 2007 1:06 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
Hey GrCunning...the Buckeyes are not an automatic National Champion yet! They have looked great the last two weeks but they still have to play Illinois and Michigan. I personally don't think they will lose BUT that's my opinion. The teams still got to play on the field(turf)!
Spartacus
posted on November 5, 2007 1:08 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
I, for one, do not see Oregon overtaking LSU - should the Tigers win out. Wins over ASU and USC do not make up for LSU having to wade through the SEC and then win the SEC Championship game. Oregon has a good team. But even the win over Michigan can be downplayed somewhat - as Michigan is not as good as they were last year. You can't leave a one loss LSU out of the NC Championship game. Too bad about Oklahoma, Kansas, Oregon and Missouri - but LSU does have the tougher road to go.
Tommie Trojan
Lennie Collins
posted on November 5, 2007 1:15 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
Tommie Trojan aka Spartacus please explain "LSU does have the tougher road to go". I agree that LSU has played the most "ranked" opponents BUT Louisiana Tech, Mississippi, and Arkansas does not consist of a tougher road. Doggone it the Razorbacks just won their second conference game this weekend!
grcunning said:
posted on November 5, 2007 1:24 PM — 208.51.85.57 — link — abuse?
Lennie,
I know, playing at the Big House won't be easy, despite the fact that Ore whipped them there.
OSU could be 10-0 and Mi 0-10 and it would still be a tough smashmouth game
Jim Tressel is pretty good at keeping the players thinking about the next game, even if all of us keep talking about more.
I guarantee that they are focused on Ron Zook this week. With the way the season has gone so far, no one can overlook any game.grcunning said:
posted on November 5, 2007 1:41 PM — 208.51.85.57 — link — abuse?
Lennie,
My first week on this forum (about the 2nd week of the season), I predicted OSU-OU in the NC game
OU will have to look pretty dominant from here on out, esp against Mizz or Kan, to leapfrog to 2nd.
That, or have OSU & either Ore or LSU to lose.M GO BLUE said:
posted on November 5, 2007 2:04 PM — 216.46.211.43 — link — abuse?
Well here is my humble opinion of Michigan.
We are so so so gut wrenching, hair pulling, brain blowing BAD BAD BAD BAD!!!!!!!!
If the Ohio State, Buckeye's cannot beat us then they don't even deserve a bowl game!!!!!!!
Don't buy the whole 8 game win streak.......the only reason we have won 8 games is totally because of the players on our team........we have won despite our coaches.
Our Offensive Coordinator came from Central Michigan, where he was a flop..........he had friends at Michigan...........enough said.
Tom Blogical
posted on November 5, 2007 2:06 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
gatorhippy (#58):
It's practically tradition in which you are in the minority of Buckeye fans I have had this discussion with that would disagree with that statement..."
Perhaps they should go back and look at the facts and numbers, as I did, and as I commented here previously. Everyone knows Michigan leads the total series--I made specific mention of it--but I know for a fact their perceptions weren't built from prior to 19-freaking-50. And their perceptions damn sure as hell not based from the 18th century--18-freaking-97 when the series started. A lot of these young pups around here probably weren't even born in the 70s--but that's an entirely different topic.
Hell, Cooper started coaching for OSU 19 years ago. Hence, my argument the perception started with him, since the Hayes and Bruce era, and the 10 year war, were very evenly matched--with OSU leading the series during that timeframe--as I documented in a very detailed fashion.
The point is, unless you're a Notre Dame fan, nobody talks about the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, or even very rarely the 70s and 80s. At least I don't hear anyone talking about those last 2 decades.
I've been paying attention to football since I was 9 years old--that's 32 years, my friend. (God, am I old.) The furthest back I seriously talk about 99% of the time with even Michigan fans about the series is 1988. That's 19 years. 1% of the time is the Woody era. I've never heard either Buckeye fans or Wolverine fans ever talk about the pre-10 Year War eras. If they did they'd be laughed out of the room.
You're not just stuck in the Cooper era--you're stuck in the era before TV was a common household appliance. ;-)
Tom Blogical
posted on November 5, 2007 2:13 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
M GO BLUE (#67):
Trying to pull out the hex are you? It ain't gonna work!! (I hope...) You know the deal--throw out the records--that game will be a knock, down, drag-out, low-down, street brawl.
And it will be glorious. (Yeah, that's a Star Trek reference--so I'm a Sci-Fi geek, too.)
You live in Michigan or no? You'd be fun to hang with during The Game.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on November 5, 2007 2:20 PM — 216.46.211.43 — link — abuse?
.............My cousin..........planned his wedding..........ON NOVEMBER 17 AT 2:00 P.M.............IN MISSOURI..........AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yes I live in Michigan..........but i will not be here for "The game".
We are getting snow tonight in Western Michigan..........I am hoping for feet of snow to fall in Ann Arbor, on November 17 =)
My previous post was no joke.........I have no confidence in Lloyd Carr.
FromVT said:
posted on November 5, 2007 2:25 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
Tom Blogical - I don't think you guys have to worry about that game. Michigan is playing well, but Ohio St is playing better. A couple weeks ago I wasn't convinced, but they have played some close games (into the second half, wasn't it 17-17 vs Wisconsin), but they pull away every time so far. That is what makes them so good IMO, they don't make mistakes, and play good defense.
I think I would like see them play Oregon in the NC game if the season ended now.
Tom Blogical
posted on November 5, 2007 2:44 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
M GO BLUE (#70):
LMAO!! Sacrilege!!!! LIE!! Tell your cousin you have Tuberculosis and you aren't allowed to travel! They'd find out the truth eventually--but what could they do to you, really? ;-)
I have to admit, I was best man for a friend who allowed his fiance to plan his wedding on the very same day as The Game--11/25/1995. I told him he was a dead man before The Game. He was off the hook by halftime, because we didn't want to watch it while getting ready for the wedding anymore. Then we all got back into our 1990's post-game habits and drank, partied and bitched about it all night. I forgot all about The Game though when the bridesmaids finally started drinking and letting their hair down, though...(:-D)
Tom Blogical
posted on November 5, 2007 2:55 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
FromVT (#71):
I understand where you're coming from, but you must understand that my psyche is driven by the horror of the John Cooper era record against Michigan. 2-10-1. I will never take The Game for granted...and even then the win he got in 1998 was a killer--where was that team against MSU earlier in the year? Oh, the pain and suffering...M GO BLUE was a very happy person in the late 80s, most of the 90s, and the year 2000. If you watched the VT-WVU games during the 80s, then you know the terror I speak of...
;-)
Jon said:
posted on November 5, 2007 3:17 PM — 68.84.19.20 — link — abuse?
grcunning - you are full of crap.
You better hope Ohio state doesn't meet LSU in the championship game. Mike Tyson once said, "Everybody has a plan until they get hit". Finesse football pusses out consistently when it comes up against the big, dirty, bad asses.
Florida proved is last year. And if LSU doesn't get sniped by their own, they are going to dismantle Ohio State.
Spartacus
posted on November 5, 2007 3:32 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
Lenny,
The reason why I say LSU has the tougher road to go: so far Oregon has played a Michigan team sans Brad Henne (using true freshman Ryan Mallett at QB) and looked overly impressive in beating a "down" Michigan team. Oregon was fortunate enough to get to play Cal, USC and Arizona State at home. Cal beat them there. USC outplayed Oregon except for four TO's and had John Booty been the QB rather than Mark Sanchez - USC wins that game. Jonathan Steward managed only 104 yds and Dixon threw for only 157 yards against So Cal. Hardly an intimidating performance against a USC team missing their starting QB and All-American OT Sam Baker. Arizona State is an upstart team not used to playing in that kind of pressure. Oregon outscored those three PAC-10 teams by a total of only twelve points. The only decent team left for Oregon is Oregon State. Oregon might even lose that game.
LSU on the other hand, has beaten Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Florida and Auburn all at home. On the road they have beaten Alabama and lost by six to a real good Kentucky team with a great QB. That's six real good teams that LSU has already played. LSU will finish off with Arkansas and the winner of the SEC East. That would be eight very good teams that LSU will have had to weigh through to get to the title game.
The only way that I see Oregon getting there is if Michigan can beat Ohio State - then Oregon's big win over Michigan takes precedent over some other teams. But, not LSU. LSU will have the toughest road, counting the whole year, to get to the NC Championship game.Tommie Trojan
Lennie Collins
posted on November 5, 2007 3:46 PM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
Hey Spartacus{Comment #77} you are right. Oregon and Oregon State is going to be tough. Tough to watch in the Ugly Uniforms Game! But I agree that LSU played the most "ranked" opponents! USC would have lost to UO even if John Booty was playing!
gatorhippy
posted on November 5, 2007 4:21 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
Tom B (#68):
So in the end you have just come full circle to my point...
Michigan has knocked tOSU out of a B-10 championship or forced them to share it more oftn than the Bucks have been able to do it to the Wolvies when the B-10 champ is on the line...
Unless we only look at the Tressel era...
But since we are only looking at the last 20 years...
The "perception" is actually reality...
Overall record aside...
Mich has booted the Bucks in the nuts on a consistent basis with the B-10 title on the line...
That's a fact, my friend...
It's okay though, Tom...
The poor Noles have the same type of complex with the Gators...
Minus the conference title heartache...
;-]
TampaGator said:
posted on November 5, 2007 4:33 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
M Go Blue#70/
Hysterical! I've attended several weddings on the day of big games. Two come to mind, worth relaying:1. Miami-VT in '01: Groom's family were huge Hurricanes. Groom's brother snuch a small TV into reception, and--no lie here--16 dudes crammed around this little TV set for almost the entire duration of the reception! It was pathetic--I felt bad for the Groom, and especially, the Bride! (...but it was just a little funny, too).
2. FL-FSU in '97: a couple of Gators scheduled their wedding AROUND that game...then the game was moved up a week that year--right on their wedding date. The entire wedding party was UF or FSU alulmi--and everyone was grumbling about it (most of us tix to boot--ouch).Turned out to be about the best game in the series ever--for the Gators--we pulled it off in final seconds, 32-29. (Fortunately I was able to catch that finish in a bar--between wedding and reception!)
...maybe you can find some useful tips in there...
GO GATORS!!Tom Blogical
posted on November 5, 2007 4:55 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
gatorhippy (#79):
"So in the end you have just come full circle to my point..."
Wow. Now you're just being plain silly. You either have a vivid imagination, or you're terrible at math. I focused on the last 56 years, not the last 20. From 1951 to 2007. Prior to 1951, it must've escaped your attention that OSU didn't really contend for very many Big 10 championships--not nearly as many as Michigan. But when they were in the running during that time, they usually clinched the deal.
Your comment was, "Actually, I believe this is shaping up like a classic Buckeyes season...Undefeated until losing to Michigan..."
"Undefeated until losing to Michigan" being the key part of that comment. You didn't say, "Michigan will win another Big 10 title to add to the list." Your focus was on the "undefeated season until Michigan" mantra. That reality was crafted during the John Cooper era. I'll give you an A for effort in your attempt to move that goalpost.
Go back and read my comment at #49 and #54 for the data from the last 56 years, since you refuse to believe it. Maybe it'll sink in the second time.
I'm sorry you don't like things like the truth or facts--but that's just the way it goes. ;-)
Tom Blogical
posted on November 5, 2007 4:58 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
TampaGator (#80):
Your 1st scenario is exactly what happened to us in 1995, and the 2nd scenario--wow. Tickets to the best game in the series. I'm glad I've never been in that situation.
Spartacus
posted on November 5, 2007 5:04 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
Lenny,
That was a tough start for Sanchez playing only his second game at Autzen. Arizona is a far cry from Oregon. Even though Sanchez tossed the rock for around 265 yards - he still appeared somewhat rattled. I don't think that I have ever seen JD Booty try and throw into triple coverage. Booty would have been a lot calmer than the high strung Sanchez would have been in that scenario.
My greatest concern is how USC gets to another BCS Bowl game right now. Of course, they'll have to win out. My dread is that Michigan beats Ohio State or the SEC East Champion somehow beats LSU. Other than that happening - the Big 12 and Pac 10 probably get two reps into BCS Bowl games. A one loss Ohio State team goes as well as a two loss LSU may go. I see West Virginia or Connecticut from the Big East. BC, Va. Tech or Clemson from the ACC - maybe Florida State. Ohio State from the Big 10. LSU from the SEC. Two of these three from the Big 12: Oklahoma, Kansas or Missouri. And, two of these three from the Pac 10: Oregon, USC or Arizona State. Only if LSU and Ohio State win out.Tommie Trojan
TampaGator said:
posted on November 5, 2007 6:23 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Tom B:
Re. first scenario: I wasn't one of the 16; I would have put my brother's wedding over a game--even UF-FSU, let alone UM-V Tech.
I spent a lot of time with the Groom and bride during reception, and dancing and the like, trying to play the spectacle down (even tried to pull some of those guys from the TV). I can laugh at it b/c it wasn't my wedding, and the groom wasn't that close a friend--but frankly, I thought it was pretty rude.
Re. 2nd: yeah, missing that game stung a bit-but I'd rather the Gators win in my absence, than lose in my presence (not saying there's a connection)--more importantly, I'd much rather miss a game with my closest friends, than catch a game without them.
Maybe it's just me and my skewed priorities.
Your Bucks are looking solid.
GO GATORS!!
gatorhippy
posted on November 5, 2007 7:21 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse? said:
Tom B (#81):
So using YOUR logic from your previous posts...
My initial stement was correct...
Since the "perception" has stemmed from the Cooper era which started 19 years ago and that if we were to discuss or count anything before it we would be "laughed out of the room"
Then all reasoning would indicate that...
This is shaping up to be a classic Buckeye season...
Undefeated until losing to Michigan...
Tom Blogical
posted on November 5, 2007 9:59 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
gatorhippy (#85):
"So using YOUR logic from your previous posts..."
OK, so back to my original, which was correct using MY logic as well. You're stuck in the Cooper era. Since 2000 was still 20th century, the Tressel era started in the 21st century, you're not even in the new millenium! Get back here in 2007 with the rest of us, bud! ;-)
Since the "perception" has stemmed from the Cooper era which started 19 years ago and that if we were to discuss or count anything before it we would be "laughed out of the room"..."
Now, to be fair, I said you'd be laughed out of the room discussing anything prior to the 10 Year War between Bo and Woody, not before the Cooper era. ;-)
Alright, enough of that stuff. You know, this season is going by waaaaaaayyyyy too fast. I cannot believe it's a few weeks from Thanksgiving. Where has the time gone, man?
Tom Blogical
posted on November 5, 2007 10:04 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
TampaGator (#84):
"Re. first scenario: I wasn't one of the 16; I would have put my brother's wedding over a game--even UF-FSU, let alone UM-V Tech."
That's the good choice. A lot of people don't have the right perspective. Good on you for entertaining the Bride and Groom.
"Maybe it's just me and my skewed priorities."
Yeah right--I think you've got your priorities straight. Have a great night, bro.
You too, gatorhippy.
GA Boy said:
posted on November 5, 2007 10:09 PM — 97.89.21.220 — link — abuse?
Sitting here reading all this gushing about LSU, it makes me want to beat AU and KY even more. TN can't beat AR. It will not happen. All the DAWGS have to do is beat AU and KY and we will show you what LSU is made of. There is no way they can handle the DAWGS on the turf of the GA Dome. When last we met in the Dome in 2005, a 9-2 GA team whipped a 10-1 and LSU team 34-14.
TE you can unleash on me now.
GO DAWGS!!Tom Blogical
posted on November 5, 2007 10:10 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
gatorhippy (#87):
Nice cherry pick and attempted twisting of words from that comment. Here's what I also said in comment #68 in the very next sentence:
"1% of the time is the Woody era. I've never heard either Buckeye fans or Wolverine fans ever talk about the pre-10 Year War eras. If they did they'd be laughed out of the room."
Come on gatorhippy. Get real.
Again, have a nice evening, bro.
Autigerman said:
posted on November 5, 2007 10:50 PM — 72.205.222.229 — link — abuse?
Are you guys forgetting Kansas?
If they win out they will jump Oregon and LSU.
They will have beaten 2 top ten teams in the last month of the season and remained undefeated.Not that i think that will happen but that offence is pretty good.
So the way i look at it LSU Oklahoma and Oregon need Kansas to lose.
In other words they dont control their own destiny
Tom Blogical
posted on November 6, 2007 12:27 AM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
Cowbell05 (#92):
I italicized that line in my comment for a reason. I was quoting what TE said in comment #38, third paragraph. I don't know how in the world my response to his comment at #38 came in at comment #37, but I guess there was a glitch in the comment system last night. That's a whole different conversation, but it sure is confusing looking back at it now.
TE is an LSU fan, and I think he just typed East by mistake, because I know he knows better. I didn't catch the mistake, but then it really wasn't the point of my comment...and I didn't actually say it myself anyhow.
So--what's that about someone sounding stupid? Just kidding, bro. ;-)
I'm a fan of all College Football, not just the Big 10(11).
L8r, have a good night.
gatorhippy
posted on November 6, 2007 7:42 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse? said:
Tom B (#90):
"Here's what I also said in comment #68 in the very next sentence:
"1% of the time is the Woody era. I've never heard either Buckeye fans or Wolverine fans ever talk about the pre-10 Year War eras. If they did they'd be laughed out of the room."
Which also indicates that you only want to discuss the last 19 years...
My suggestion would be to pick a standard and we'll look at it from there...
Doesn't matter to me...
I still styand behind...
This could shape up to be a classic OSU season...
Undefeated until losing to Michigan...
Tom Blogical
posted on November 6, 2007 8:26 said:
gOSU27 said:
posted on November 4, 2007 7:34 PM — 207.74.25.36 — link — abuse?oregon is gona overcome LSU in the next few weeks
somebody in the SEC east is gonan have to step up and take out LSU