November 11, 2007
College Football Top 25 Polls - Week 12
College football top twenty-five polls for week twelve (through November 10, 2007).
Bowl Championship Series Poll
1. LSU
2. Oregon
3. Kansas
4. Oklahoma
5. Missouri
6. West Virginia
7. Ohio State
8. Arizona State
9. Georgia
10. Virginia Tech
11. USC
12. Florida
13. Texas
14. Virginia
15. Clemson
16. Hawaii
17. Boston College
18. Boise State
19. Illinois
20. Tennessee
21. Michigan
22. Cincinnati
23. Kentucky
24. Connecticut
25. Wisconsin
AP College Football Top 25 Poll
1. LSU (40)
2. Oregon (22)
3. Oklahoma (1)
4. Kansas (1)
5. West Virginia (1)
6. Missouri
7. Ohio State
8. Georgia
9. Arizona State
10. Virginia Tech
11. USC
12. Texas
13. Hawaii
14. Florida
15. Clemson
16. Virginia
17. Boise State
18. Boston College
19. Tennessee
20. Illinois
21. Cincinnati
22. Kentucky
23. Michigan
24. Wisconsin
25. Connecticut
USA Today Coaches Top 25 Poll
1. LSU (35)
2. Oregon (13)
3. Oklahoma (4)
4. Kansas (7)
5. West Virginia (1)
6. Missouri
7. Ohio State
8. Arizona State
9. Georgia
10. Virginia Tech
11. Texas
12. Hawaii
13. USC
14. Florida
15. Boise State
16. Clemson
17. Virginia
18. Boston College
19. Tennessee
20. Kentucky
21. Illinois
22. Penn State
23. Michigan
24. Wisconsin
25. Cincinnati
Harris Interactive
1. LSU (73)
2. Oregon (22)
3. Oklahoma (9)
4. Kansas (8)
5. West Virginia
6. Missouri
7. Ohio State
8. Arizona State
9. Georgia
10. Virginia Tech
11. Hawaii
12. Texas
13. USC
14. Florida
15. Boise State
16. Clemson
17. Virginia
18. Boston College
19. Tennessee
20. Illinois
21. Kentucky
22. Michigan
23. Wisconsin
24. Cincinnati
25. Penn State
Master Coaches Poll
1. LSU (14)
2. Oregon (3)
3. Oklahoma
4. Kansas
5. Missouri
6. Ohio State
7. West Virginia
8. Georgia
9. Arizona State
10. Virginia Tech
11. USC
12. Texas
13. Hawaii
14. Florida
15. Boise State
16. Clemson
17. Tennessee
18. Virginia
19. Illinois
20. Boston College
21. Michigan
22. Cincinnati
23. Wisconsin
24. Kentucky
25. Penn State
Comments:
LSU-PATS said:
posted on November 11, 2007 2:21 PM — 216.79.208.84 — link — abuse?
LSU is #1 again and deserve to be there. I believe LSU wins out to stay at #1, as for the rest of the top 5, i think OREGON, OKLAHOMA, or KANSAS plays LSU for "CG"! Thanks OHIO ST. for playing a good team for a change, and you see what happens, but don't feel too bad, it needed to happen before they got beat by LSU! OHIO ST. still has the ROSE BOWL unless they blow that against MICHIGAN! KEEP ROLLIN LSU
gOSU27 said:
posted on November 11, 2007 2:49 PM — 207.74.25.36 — link — abuse?
i hope tOSU pulls this out against michigan
i would be mad if it went from NC to non-BCS bowl
sadly, it could happenyes, ill admit it, LSU is #one....i dont like it but its true
i want to see oregon against LSU in the NC game now
one thing that will change soon (if tOSU wins) is misourri
i think that they will lost to kansas or oklahoma
im glad to see 5 big 10 teams in there
for the big tens sake, that illinios game may have been goodnow what we need is to get back on track and take out meechigan!!
SoonerKastl said:
posted on November 11, 2007 2:51 PM — 65.77.66.73 — link — abuse?
I tend to agree with the rankings after a venting of anger on my part for my team's position(Oklahoma). I do think it's bunk that they take past BCS losses into account. I see the logic in the action, however these are different teams than they were last year. Everyone talks about how bad the Big 12 is, yet they have 4 teams in the top 12, not to mention one of the only two undefeated 1-A teams now... Kansas should be considered more than they are. Other than that these standings are satisfactory!
Cane Mutiny
posted on November 11, 2007 4:28 PM — 65.12.247.141 — link — abuse?
said:
If Ohio State was able to sit pretty at #1 for all these weeks despite a cupcake schedule, Kansas should get that same benefit of the doubt. Neither "the" Ohio State nor the Jayhawks have played good schedules, but the voters gave the Buckeyes the 1-spot for their stretch as unbeatens - so why not Kansas? This is why the polls are a load of crap. Just because "the" Ohio State has a nice brand name, they get 3 spots over a hoops school.
I've heard Ohio State fans say that the media is biased against them. Ha - the media should be biased against them, considered how they pretty much went and proved their mediocrity last year, and have played glorified high school teams this year. But that Buckeye brand name got them the #1.
I'm not saying Kansas really deserves to be #1, but if the pollsters are gonna be idiots, they should at least be consistent.
ATL-ien said:
posted on November 11, 2007 4:34 PM — 160.10.220.195 — link — abuse?
Damn hahahahahahahahahahahahaha(still laughing)
The mighty Alabama Dark Red Tide and War Chicken Auburn Tigers have a combined 0-4 record against any team named the bulldogs in the SEC.
I guess bulldogs just don't like teams from the state of Alabama.ps. Teams from the state of Alabama are a combined 0-6 against any SEC team named the bulldogs if you count TROY and UAB
baivie said:
posted on November 11, 2007 5:56 PM — 209.169.32.242 — link — abuse?
So Kansas is undefeate, oklahoma has a lost. Kansas beats a better team (oklahoma state). Oklahoma beats (baylor) who doesnt beat baylor. and oklahoma leaps over kansas. I dont like either but hope kansas beats ok in big 12 title game haha
Jason said:
posted on November 11, 2007 6:48 PM — 74.182.58.249 — link — abuse?
Oklahoma didn't leapfrog Kansas. Oklahoma has lead Kansas in the AP and Coaches poll all year long. Kansas leapfrogged OU last week in the BCS because the computers keep ranking OU pretty low. If I remember right, at one point the computers had OU ranked 23rd in the nation.
GA Boy said:
posted on November 11, 2007 7:25 PM — 97.89.26.241 — link — abuse?
Where is WE ATL? He must have spent the weekend up in Athens. I can't believe an AU fan would have stayed there too long.
WE ATL, don't be too down. You still can salvage the season by whipping up on Saban and the boys.GO DAWGS!!
Ross said:
posted on November 11, 2007 9:18 PM — 69.254.250.85 — link — abuse?
I agree with Cane Mutiny to an extent, KU should get the same treatment as OSU. I feel the BCS is screwed up anyway, and the NCAA should switch to a playoff type format. And i feel that if KU goes undefeated, they should get a chance at the BCS championship game.
Ross said:
posted on November 11, 2007 9:22 PM — 69.254.250.85 — link — abuse?
But i feel that Kansas is deserving to be in the Chapionship game if they go undefeated and win the Big 12, the BCS cant punish them because of a weak schedule, its not their (KU's) fault. They just go out and play the next team on the schedule and win, whoever has they best record when its all said and done should get into the CG, not the teams that are the most popular or are a "brand name" school.
hrposon said:
posted on November 12, 2007 12:23 AM — 98.200.123.115 — link — abuse?
@15 gOSU27 - Who are you kidding???
A playoff of eight conference champions would not shaft anyone. The only vote would be to select the eight strongest conferences. The playoff would pit 1 vs. 8, 2 vs. 7, etc.
Weak conferences numbering less than 12 teams that don't have a conference championship game might eventually wind up as the 9th strongest conference and be forced to improve.
Teams would then want to play a stronger non-conference schedule to better condition their team to big games with no penalty to their team in terms of their National Championship hopes.All schools would have a fair chance at the National Championship game. The regular bowl games would continue as they do today. Schedule the last of the playoff games on Tuesdays as not to conflict with the NFL.
gatorstud said:
posted on November 12, 2007 8:04 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
didn't watch much football the past ten days....had stuff to deal with....life kinda grabbed my by the jewels there for a while...but i'm back....
well, i watched the replay of the auburn-georgia game...and wow...stafford has got skills....damn good game dawgs....
you let auburn back in it , but then stepped it up to seal the deal......sec football...you gotta love it...happy to see my gators hit the gamecocks hard....nothing against the gamecocks or it's fanbase...stickin it to steve is what makes it sweet....
tommy b.....what happenend......the fighting zookers took it to ya'll....i havn't seen the game yet so i can't really comment on it....but, damn.....were they looking past illinois to michigan or what....and with michigan getting beat by wisconsin....this weeks game lost a lot of hype.......
go gators...and hokies
Tom Blogical
posted on November 12, 2007 8:51 AM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
"tommy b.....what happenend......the fighting zookers took it to ya'll...."
Yep, that pretty much sums it up. Major punking at home on Senior Night. Boeckman threw 3 picks, Illinois was on the field 13 out of 15 minutes in the 4th quarter. No NC Title Game, so season's over. Fun while it lasted though. Still a great time to be a Bucks fan. Rah rah, sis boom bah.
"....this weeks game lost a lot of hype......."
What game? Ohhhhh--yeah, yeah. That game. I saw a video on MGOBLOG back in September just prior to their Notre Dame week. I'd link to the post but they've screwed up all the links on the posts--it's the Notre Dame Open Thread from 9/15/2007.
This video I'm referring to pretty much sums what it's going to be like watching this game completely, and I think it perfectly captures my feelings, and possibly does for all UM and OSU fans, at the end of the 37 second clip. Enjoy!
*- Now before anybody freaks out--this comment is tongue-in-cheek, and I'm just having some fun, OK?
(:-D)
FanoftheGame said:
posted on November 12, 2007 9:18 AM — 198.211.223.194 — link — abuse?
It's looking as though the BcS rankings are going to go down to the wire. Last year the Big12 was not a very strong conference, but this year it seems as though the cream has risen to the top and the Big12 has 3 of the top 5 teams. Congrats to KU! The Jayhawks are having a cinderella season and look to be for real. The rest of the country isn't accustomed to seeing KU play at this high level, so the Jayhawks will have to live(for now)with getting only moderate credit for their achievements so far this year. They are not a mainstay in the BcS talk every year, so the writers are going to be more inclined to give a big name football power the nod over KU.
If KU runs the table, which will be very tough to do, then I think there should be no question that they will deserve the #1 ranking. They may not be as good as Oregon or LSU, but they will have as many quality wins over top opponents, and they would have completed their schedule with the "loss" column still empty. They would almost certainly be the underdog in a NC game, but they would at least deserve the shot. Much like Boise State last year, I think the majority of the country would be pulling for them. The BCS will not be as forgiving if KU losses a game as they have been with some of the other schools in the top 25.my $.02
gOSU27 said:
posted on November 12, 2007 10:39 AM — 24.236.157.132 — link — abuse?
tom b,
i seem kind of relieved that we lost that one
i didnt want to lose it at all, but i think if it went to NC, oregon could take care of the defense pretty easily.....
hopefully we go to the rose bowl and see usc waiting, i think that would be a better gameas for the fighting illini....that gave me flashbacks of florida last year
Spartacus
posted on November 12, 2007 1:19 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
Lot o' ball left to be played. Nobody has to panic yet. Anything could still happen - even Ohio State creepin' back into the dance. It's possible!
My Top Twelve:
1.) L.S.U. - should win out. The Pigs and Vols offer some competition - but not much. Style points are important for LSU from now on.
2.) Oregon - has the easier schedule left, only having to play Oregon State, and will probably be overtaken by a Big 12 member before it's all over.
3.) Kansas - Can't put them over Oregon right now, but if they beat both Missouri and Oklahoma, I have no problem with them meeting for the National Championship.
4.) Oklahoma - A dilemma for me if Oklahoma wins out. It would be real tough to not want to put them into the game.
5.) Ohio State - still got the "Fighting Sweater Vests" in this position. Illinois is a solid team and the Bucks got caught looking forward. Happens all dayum day long.
6.) West Virginia - Mounties are a real good team. Too bad that they didn't play any good OOC competition. They could have went.
7.) Missouri - Could go if they beat Kansas and Oklahoma. Although, I'd be inclined to send Oregon instead.
8.) Arizona State - A convincing win over U.S.C. is what it's gonna take. Not likely! Might get a BCS shot even with a loss to So Cal.
9.) Florida - This team should finish up at (9-3) and recieve a BCS game, unless LSU should falter in the SEC title game, finishing up at (11-2).
10.) U.S.C. - This team could vault all the way up to #5 in the country with wins over Arizona State and UCLA in the next three weeks.
11.) Virginia Tech - Likely ACC winner (or Clemson) in this spot.
12.) Cincinnati - 2nd Big East team to finish BCS eligable. Not likely (or impossible) that two ACC teams finish with only two losses.
The SEC, Pac 10, Big 12 and Big East could all have two BCS teams. It's not likely that the Big 10 or ACC could get more than one. I hope for the sake of all that is holy and righteous that Ohio State does beat Michigan. I'd hate to see a Big 10 team with two straight losses back into a BCS game at someone else's expense. The only other possibility, in my mind, is that if Boise State could beat Hawaii - they could muster enough to creep into the Top Twelve.
My best shot:
NC Champ Game = L.S.U. vs Oklahoma
Rose Bowl = Oregon vs Ohio State
Sugar Bowl = Florida vs Missouri
5th Bowl (unknown) = USC vs West Virginia
Orange Bowl = Virginia Tech vs Notre DameYes, it's true, Notre Dame will set yet another record in futility - as they go down to the worse loss in BCS series history.
Tommie Trojan
Spartacus
posted on November 12, 2007 3:22 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
Usually I can't bring myself to ever pass out a compliment to the Cal Bears. But, they impressed me on Saturday night. I knew we were in trouble when it was raining in like monsoon conditions. This would negate the Trojan speed all over the field.
The most amazing thing was how good that Justin Forsett was. I've never seen a back hit a hole as fast as that guy was. Also, since it was so wet, the Trojans (usually sure tacklers), could not get a grip on this guy. Time after time this little guy was breakin' tackles all over the place. The other thing that was most impressive was that Cal offensive line. The Trojans didn't get near Nate Longshore the whole game. I would attribute that to the extremely soggy field - not allowing the Trojan pass rushers to get the push that they needed. Nevertheless, an extremely great job by that Cal line.
But, the most awsome display was by Chauncey Washington of the Trojans. While Forsett was running for an unheard of 164 yards on USC - Washington dismantled Cal to the tune of 220 yards on the ground. He benifited from all the same conditions that Forsett did. Although being bigger and stronger than Forsett - Cal never had a chance to bring this guy down in those slick conditions. All in all - it was a great game. For awhile in that 4th quarter I almost thought the Trojan's might find a way to lose it. But, rather, they just ground Cal down for the rest of the game and made all the big plays at the right times. What a storm. Never saw anything like it.Tommie Trojan
Bevo Boy said:
posted on November 12, 2007 10:06 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Spartacus #27, why don't you have Georgia at 9 instead of Florida? They beat Florida and Florida won't even make it to the SEC championship game (though UGA might not either, depending on how Tenn. does). Florida doesn't deserve the top 10, maybe not even the top 15. And if this conference is so "deep," what makes you think that they won't lose again? Hook'em horns, the rightful #12 in the BCS.
Cowbell05 said:
posted on November 12, 2007 10:35 PM — 70.152.96.146 — link — abuse?
#30 Bevo Boy,
The SEC has 10 of its 12 teams "bowl eligble" meaning 6 wins or more, excluding Vandy who needs 1 more win to be "bowl eligible" makes it 11 of the 12, only leaving out Ole Miss...are you trying to say that the SEC isn't the deepest conference in the nation? Or are you just being a smartass? No disrespect
Ethan said:
posted on November 13, 2007 12:36 PM — 75.89.200.200 — link — abuse?
Spartacus #27. How could you possibly leave out Georgia? They have to be in there around 8 or 9? Even if Tennessee wins out and makes it to the SEC championship game, assuming we can pull it out over KY and Ga Tech, it looks like we'll be heading to the Sugar bowl to possibly face Hawaii. If Tennessee slips up and loses one, we'll be headed to the SEC championship game, and quite honestly the way the dawgs are playing now, I just don't see LSU beating us. Now if UGA finishes 11-2 with wins over Alabama, Florida, Auburn, Kentucky, and LSU... I'd like to see them considered for the NC game.
jonsey said:
posted on November 13, 2007 12:48 PM — 167.197.127.130 — link — abuse?
i agree with you ethan. GA could be the best team in the country right now. i would hate to see them in a bowl game with Hawaii. that's just a waste of time. GA vs. Duke would be more interesting than that. This is when a playoff would help.
Hopefully, it will be something along the lines of GA Vs. Oklahoma for a bowl game.
Spartacus
posted on November 13, 2007 1:35 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
Bevo Boy + Ethan:
Good question: How could you leave Georgia out? Well, I'm only trying to use conjecture in figuring out who will be left. I list Cincinnati because I think that they have a shot at West Virginia. I have West Virginia down as a "trendy pick" and may get picked even if they lose.
On to the SEC. Florida has no chance to lose against either Florida Atlantic or Florida State. Therefore, they will finish at 9-3 and are already rated 12th in the BCS standings. They will go upward and be "a choice" should they qualify. Tennessee must play Vanderbilt and at Kentucky. I think that it is likely that Tennessee loses to Kentucky - therefore launching Georgia into the SEC Championship game. So, Georgia has to get through Georgia Tech, Kentucky and LSU to qualify. I think that it is unlikely that that happens. It is possible that the SEC could get three representatives - but very unlikely. The voters are quick to condemn the team that last lost - that will not be Florida. It's much more likely that Georgia is dropped if they lose one more game.Tommie Trojan
Bevo Boy said:
posted on November 13, 2007 3:28 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Spartacus #37, the reason that it's unlikely that the SEC gets three BCS bids is because no conference is allowed to get three BCS bids. If you don't believe me, ask some Wisconsin fans why they were left out last year with just one loss.
Bevo Boy said:
posted on November 13, 2007 3:40 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
OU-Ron #31, if you want to get into the whole chain of victory thing, then you might want to look at that thread. Some teams (including Texas earlier in the year) were completely unpredictable; you didn't know if you'd be playing a top 5 team or if that team could just barely beat a D-1AA team. Texas showed that they were better than Nebraska just playing the fourth quarter well. We would likely have beaten OU if it wasn't for a fumble on the goalline by Jamaal Charles. And didn't OU lose to Colorado? They aren't near as good as K. State. Hook'em horns, the rightful #12 in the BCS.
OU-Ron
posted on November 13, 2007 6:26 PM — 166.214.230.73 — link — abuse? said:
O Boy of Bevo #39
"if you want to get into the whole chain of victory thing"
"if it wasn't for a fumble"
"if you'd be playing a top 5 team "
If Texas could have beat OU and not got thumped by K State at home, you wouldn't be bragging about being # 12 LOLZac said:
posted on November 13, 2007 9:43 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Welcome, kiddies, to Fanblogs. Today's guest letter is "h", in lower case for humble, happy, and hippy... OK I'll stop.
I don't think picking WVU anywhere in the BCS picture should be considered "trendy". WVU, as with AS St, KY, LSU, MO, and VA Tech, was ranked Top-10 at the time they lost an away game to a ranked team.
Now, consider the following: #5 MI lost to Appy St; #10 Rutgers lost to MD; #7 TX lost to KS St; #4 FL lost Auburn; #1 USC lost to Stanford; #2 BC lost to FL St; #10 Cal lost to OR St; #1 OSU lost to IL. These teams were all undefeated and ranked in the Top-10, when they lost at home to an unranked opponent. Other than OSU, all have at least 2 losses. Yet, WVU having lost only at then #18 S FL is considered a "trendy" pick for the BCS.
I will say this; I would be satisfied if the Top-10 currently looked like this.
1. LSU
2. Oregon
3. Kansas
4. Oklahoma
5. Missouri
6. Arizona State
7. West Virginia
8. Ohio State
9. Georgia
10. Virginia TechAs I don't have a vote in the matter, it's probably just as well.
Spartacus
posted on November 16, 2007 4:01 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
Ethan:
Georgia has played two of the last three games like a Top Tier team. They did not play that well against Troy State - but didn't need to. In fairness, they may be gellin' at exactly the right time. I won't say that they are not. But, Stafford is gonna have to play error free football from here on in. That is a pretty tough road that they may face. They certainly have always had talent. I won't be surprised to see another great Bulldog team emerge. Stafford has all the ability to take that team back to the top. My only question is if he isn't a bit young yet.
Tommie Trojan
hrposon said:
posted on November 11, 2007 1:54 PM — 98.200.123.115 — link — abuse?NCAA Division I College football uses the same system for crowning a champion as Women's Figure Skating.
The Russian, Cuban and East German judges still have their biases.