November 12, 2007
The BCS Championship Race: A Fan's Rooting Guide
ESPN's resident BCS expert Brad Edwards has his work cut out for him in attempting to handicap this year's race to the BCS Championship and predicting the field for the Bowl Championship Series games.
So... who's going where? At this point, it's anyone's game.
And that means Dec. 1 is setting up like an old-school New Year's Day. With LSU playing in the SEC title game, Oregon hosting Oregon State and two of the Big 12 teams squaring off in a championship tilt on that date, there should be at least three matchups of great significance in the waning hours of the regular season. And if the upset bug starts biting, West Virginia's rivalry game with Pittsburgh that day also could be important.
If Kansas gets past BCS #5 Missouri, then the outcome of a Kansas - Oklahoma game for the Big XII championship is going to hold a lot of weight in the minds of the voters. It would be very difficult for the polls to deny an updefeated Jayhawks team a spot in the BCS championship. By the same token, a one-loss Sooner team that just knocked off a team with Kansas's resume probably looks pretty good, too.
Either way, Oregon could end up on the outside looking in, as we said in our post last week regarding style points.
Perhaps no team has more need to earn style points than Oregon. The Ducks (8-1) have remaining games at Arizona (4-6), at UCLA (5-5) and versus Oregon State (6-4). Simply winning those games will not be overly impressive to voters. With Kansas, Oklahoma and Missouri all having the chance to beat at least one top-10 team down the stretch, Oregon might need to win big just to hold on to its No. 2 position.And even that might not be enough.
At this point, it appears that LSU just needs to win out. If the Tigers falter, then Oregon probably ends up in the BCS Championship - provided the Ducks take care of business.
Kansas, by most indications, will get a shot at the BCS championship if they win out.
If the Jayhawks falter on their way to the Big XII Championship, then Oregon likely gets the #2 spot. But if an undefeated KU gets knocked off by one-loss Oklahoma, it is very likely that the Sooners will end up in the BCS Championship.
Unless all heck breaks loose, Missouri will not be in the BCS Championship. Even wins over Kansas and Oklahoma wouldn't lift Mizzou to the big game if both Oregon and LSU win out.
So... let me try my hand at a quick-y rooting guide:
LSU - Tigers to win out, no SEC teams upset, VaTech to win out
Kansas - KU to win out, an Oregon loss, higher ranked Big XII teams win in conference, an LSU loss
Oregon - Ducks to win out, no Pac10 upsets, against LSU & Kansas, root against higher ranked Big XII teams
Oklahoma - OU to win out, root for higher ranked BigXII teams & Pac10 upsets, root against Oregon
Pretty bare bones, but that's the essentials. Of course, the way this season has gone, it's just as likely that every top team will pick up one more loss and then it will really be a twisted mess.
There's a little little clarity when you get to the BCS games, in general.
As I said last week, an Ohio State loss has all but eliminated the Buckeyes from the National Championship picture. The annual Michigan-OSU rivalry will set the Big 10's spot in the annual Rose Bowl Game -- most likely against Oregon. Upsets within the Big 10 may have capped the conference at just one BCS bowl bid.
Hawaii's chances of even sniffing a BCS game hinge on the status of QB Colt Brennan for their remaining three games. Brennan took a nasty shot in the 4th quarter and left the game with a concussion. It goes without saying that a loss would elimiate Hawaii from BCS consideration.
Edwards says that Hawaii needs more help than most pundits may realize.
Both [Hawaii and Boise State] could be relying on the provision that allows a non-automatic-qualifying conference champion to earn an at-large bid by finishing in the top 16 AND ranking higher than an automatic-qualifying conference champion. For that to happen, the Warriors and Broncos need help this weekend. If Michigan beats Ohio State or Cincinnati beats West Virginia, the opportunity could be there. If neither of those take place, Cinderella might be at home scrubbing the floors during the BCS ball.
As I've said all season long, I don't think Hawaii will be in a BCS game this year.
With three teams in the BCS top five, the Big XII conference certainly looks like a lock to get two BCS game bids; however, there are several schools of thought as to which two teams would get the call.
If Kansas or Missouri win the conference, then it would be a near certainty that Oklahoma would be headed to the Fiesta Bowl. But if the Sooners win the Big XII championship, the conference's second team is likely to be Texas as an at-large team. Why? It's a simple matter of economics. Texas - perhaps more than any other potential at-large team - travels well. If you put the Longhorns in any BCS game, you're guaranteed a sellout, whereas a Kansas-Virginia matchup... not so much.
As for other at-large bids, I think it's likely that the Pac10 and SEC pull in two teams - meaning Arizona State and Tennessee/Georgia. After that, you have to go further down the list to find the next big draw, because you couldn't take another SEC/Big XII/Pac10 team. That leaves one BCS game picking Virginia Tech. And given the year the Hokies have endured and strength of their season, that would seem like a solid, marketable selection.
So... what does all this mean? With so many at-large teams in the mix this year, there's no telling where any team might end up, with the exception of the Rose Bowl. The at-large picking order this year is Orange, then Fiesta, and then Sugar.
Here's my best guess:
BCS Championship: LSU v Oklahoma
Rose Bowl: Oregon v Ohio State
Fiesta Bowl: Arizona State v Virginia Tech
Sugar Bowl: Georgia v West Virginia
Orange Bowl: Texas v Clemson
Comments:
posted on November 12, 2007 3:52 PM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue
said:
@#2 - You probably didn't catch it in my post last week, Joe, but... Mizzou needs to win out and have everyone else lose at least one more game. And -- even then -- they may not be one of the best one-loss teams when you crunch the numbers.
Realistically... Missouri is not going to a BCS game.
Duckman said:
posted on November 12, 2007 5:41 PM — 24.237.195.228 — link — abuse?
(Repost)SEC fans,
What are the odds of Kentucky loosing there next two games? I would say slim. I think that GA crushes Kentucky and Kentucky comes back to beat Tennessee the next week. That would make an LSU vs GA SEC championship game. My money is on GA.Unfortunately, that knocks any SEC team out of contention for a NC. Assuming Oregon wins out, that would put Oregon against whoever wins the Big 12.
It could happen:).
Spartacus
posted on November 12, 2007 5:54 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
Prediction: Oregon gets hosed out of the BCS National Championship game for some non-deserving Big 12 team. I have gone back and reviewed all records of all Big 12 teams against other BCS conference schools. The Big 12's best and only wins: Missouri 40 Illinois 34 and Oklahoma 51 Miami (Fla.) 13. Even Virginia spanked this team by 48 points. Sprinkled in are many loses to any good team that any of them have played. How bout Miami mauling Texas A&M? Auburn beating Kansas State? USC destroying Nebraska and Arizona State doing the same to Colorado? Well, Iowa State did nip Iowa 15-13. Does that even count?
Fact is: Arizona State 33 Colorado 14. Oklahoma loses to Colorado and Oklahoma beats Missouri. How in the world do both Oklahoma and Missouri outrank Arizona State when the Devil's only loss is at Oregon? Guaranteed: when it all shakes out, every moron who votes, is gonna somehow think that these Big 12 teams deserve something. They haven't played and beaten any good team except for maybe Illinois. That's it. One decent team. Well, if they do move on to play LSU - I'll be taking the Bengals no matter what the line is.
Tommie Trojan
jeepdad said:
posted on November 12, 2007 6:02 PM — 207.119.95.244 — link — abuse?
Kevin, seriously, this is too easy ...
If a 1-loss Oklahoma team can win out and have a chance to play in the championship game, then so should Mizzou.
OU's best wins would be Kansas and Texas and their one loss would be to unranked Colorado.
Mizzou's best wins would be Kansas and Oklahoma and their one loss would be to ranked Oklahoma earlier in the season.
Please tell me how a 1-loss OU team would be more "championship worthy" than a 1-loss Mizzou team in that scenario?
jeepdad said:
posted on November 12, 2007 6:03 PM — 207.119.95.244 — link — abuse?
Kevin, seriously, this is too easy ...
If a 1-loss Oklahoma team can win out and have a chance to play in the championship game, then so can Mizzou.
OU's best wins would be Kansas and Texas and their one loss would be to unranked Colorado.
Mizzou's best wins would be Kansas and Oklahoma and their one loss would be to ranked Oklahoma earlier in the season.
Please tell me how a 1-loss OU team would be more "championship worthy" than a 1-loss Mizzou team in that scenario?
posted on November 12, 2007 6:07 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Personally, Tommie, I think Oregon is probably the best team out there right now, but they could get left out, considering they don't have any big teams left to play, like the article mentions.
Pac10 fans are always talking about their new 9-game conference schedule and how each team gets to play the others. Boy, wouldn't a Pac10 championship game sure come in handy right now so Oregon could prove themselves by beating USC or someone else again? That would be all the push they needed.
posted on November 12, 2007 7:06 PM — link — abuse? said:
@ Jeepdad - Tell ya what... buy me an officially licensed Mizzou shirt from a BCS bowl, OK? In the meantime, have fun playing God with the computer rankings simulator.
I think running Oregon, LSU, Mizzou, Oklahoma and Kansas through your hypothetical should answer your question quite nicely.
GA Boy said:
posted on November 12, 2007 8:56 PM — 97.89.26.241 — link — abuse?
As bad as I hate to say it, I don't care if an SEC team is in the NC game. What good does it do the DAWGS if LSU is in championship game? Some of my buddies want it to go like this:
LSU win out. VA Tech
GA win out.
TN win out and go to SEC champ game and lose to LSU. LSU goes to NC game and GA goes to Sugar Bowl. Yeah it's a BCS bowl, but no title at all associated with this scenario. This is the easy way to the Sugar Bowl, not to mention if FLA blows out FLA Atl and FLA St (which they will), they might jump the DAWGS to the Sugar invite if they have unimpressive wins against KY and GA TECH.I want it to go like this:
LSU wins out. VA Tech wins out.
GA win out.
TN lose to Vandy or KY. GA go to championship game and beat LSU. GA goes to Sugar Bowl as SEC champions. 3rd one in Richt era. Leads us into next year preseason top 5 (possible #1) for National Championship run.
Go luck to all you guys with a team still in the hunt for National Title.
GO DAWGS!!gOSU27 said:
posted on November 12, 2007 9:09 PM — 207.74.25.36 — link — abuse?
i would like to see oregon go to the NC game simply b/c tOSU could not handle them.....
would they match up UM against oregon if UM beat tOSU???it would end up just like last time probably except basically a home game for oregon
GA Boy said:
posted on November 12, 2007 9:37 PM — 97.89.26.241 — link — abuse?
Cowbell
I should have clarified. I meant win out against Ole Miss and Arkansas. I stated later in the blog that GA go to championship game and beat LSU. Only want them and VA Tech to win out to keep LSU ranked #1 going into the SEC championship game.Go DAWGS!!
LSU-PATS said:
posted on November 12, 2007 10:03 PM — 216.79.208.38 — link — abuse?
I believe LSU will win out,but that SEC game with which i think is GEORGIA WILL BE TOUGH. GEORGIA is playing good football right now and it's not going to be easy for LSU. LSU stops GEORGIA'S running game, then they should win. I think all of those close games LSU has played actually helps them for upcoming SEC championship and "NC" game! They know how to come back from being behind in games against good teams. I don't know if any other teams have done that? GO LSU - ROLL WITH IT
posted on November 13, 2007 10:05 AM — 150.176.192.1 — link — abuse? said:
Last week I was bold in my claims about the WAC's chances of a BCS bid. The outcomes of this week show that I am not a BCS expert.
I expected Hawaii to gain about .07 BCS points. Although they gained .013 points, they will need more than that to get to #12. One should have about .50 BCS points to expect a #12 rating. ( It is possible for a team with a .76 rating to be #13, but that would require a 13 way tie for the top 13 spots.) Hawaii did move up by as much as 9 spots in the computers and is now sitting about #30 in all but one of the BCS computers. They will need to get to the top 20 in the computers to get to a #12 BCS standings.
Although Boise State gained the two spots I said they needed, they did not get the .32 BCS score I said they needed with a Hawaii win. They gained the expected amount in the human polls. I expected them to gain a few points in the computer polls due to attrition, but they actually lost ground due to the quality wins of teams below them.
Unlike last week, Hawaii and Boise State have little hope of teams around them losing. Many teams near them in the standings don't even play this week.
Hawaii still has an outside shot at #12 Boise State is looking like #14 or #15 is in reach. It is looking like thier best BCS hope is to be higher than one of the BCS conference champions.
This can happen in several ways. The losses by Michigan and Ohio State open the door for Michigan to end up below them even if Michigan wins this week. It would be hard to argue that an undefeated Hawaii is less deserving of a BCS bowl than a team that lost to a Championship Subdivision team. The actual argument would be why should one sub par team get a loop hole because another sub par team got one?
If Michigan wins I would expect then to jump just ahead of Hawaii, but close enough that wins by Hawaii over Boise State and Wahington would jump them over Michigan.
Boise State will not be ahead of the Big 10 champion in any case. Their hopes are on Clemson winning the ACC with a loss to South Carolina or Florida winning the SEC with a loss to FSU. Even those senarios are close calls and might not be suffecient. Georgia winning the SEC with a loss to Georgia Tech might be sufficient for Hawaii but no help to Boise State.
The most important games for these two teams, as always, are the ones they play. A Michigan win is the best chance they have for usurping a BCS bid. A Tennessee loss opens many doors for them. They will get BCS points from the BC Clemson loser, helping them in any case in all the other scenarios, but a Clemson win increases their odds the most.
While the non-BCS teams are not what the BCS buster of the past have been, I could argue that the BCS eligible teams as a whole are not what they have been in the past either.
2007 will be rememebred as the year anyone could beat anyone.
Game of the week: Notre Dame vs Duke. I pick Duke.
Jason said:
posted on November 13, 2007 11:09 AM — 68.225.123.194 — link — abuse?
Hey Tommie Trojan,
Who did Oregon beat? an un-ranked Michigan who lost to Appalachian State? An overrated Arizona State who played nobody all year long? A USC team that lost to Stanford? Didn't Oregon lose to overrated and now unranked California? Pac10 is a powderpuff conference.
Spartacus
posted on November 13, 2007 11:40 AM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
Jason,
Why don't you go and try and find anybody that any Big 12 school beat instead. I can tell you that Missouri's win over Illinois (in the 1st game of the season) was that conference's best win. Oh, that unranked Cal team smoked Tennessee, who it looks as though may play for the SEC Championship. Get a clue!
The very fact that Kansas is unbeaten in conference play, and winning by +30 point margins, is proof enough of how bad the Big 12 really is. Can you imagine a 6-6 team from any other conference, rising up, to do what Kansas has done this year? USC did it in 2002. Does Kansas really have the talent that USC has had? Didn't think so. I guarantee that any of the Pac 10's top ranked teams would beat any of the Big 12's. We saw what happened to TAM last year when they played Cal. We've seen Nebraska gety blown out twice by USC. Oklahoma is a good team and Oregon did struggle with them last year. Other than Oklahoma, I think that the conference is probably pretty weak this year. They were weak last year. There is no reason to think that some "miracle happened" and all of a sudden Kansas and Missouri became Top Five teams. These teams still have the sub-standard players that they have always had. And, it's a 22 man game. While these teams have good QB's - they'll get waxed in most other areas of the field against top competition. Mark it down! Just like the Big Ten last year - the Big 12 will lose most of their bowl games.Tommie Trojan
Spartacus
posted on November 13, 2007 11:50 AM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
Ben Prather:
Your getting all locked onto the notion that Hawaii could even beat Boise State and Washington. There is no way they get through these two teams. Hawaii really is not that good of a team. For a fact - they have played the softest schedule in the country. And, they will not get past Boise and Washington. We don't have to even consider Hawaii. They won't be there at the end anyway.
Tommie Trojan
posted on November 13, 2007 3:26 PM — 150.176.192.1 — link — abuse? said:
Spartacus:
Last week I was trying to argue that Boise State is the best hope of a BCS buster this year. This weeks BCS standings prove this is not the case.
I was analysing both Hawaii and Boise State as if they defeat the other. As Hawaii is currently higher than Boise State, and have a remianing schedule that is significantly more difficult that what they have played up until now, so their potential maximum is higher than Boise State's.
I think I made clear last week that I agree with the 5 BCS computers, and your ranking, that have Boise State ahead of Hawaii. Hawaii's expected value is lower than Boise State's.
JoeFromMO said:
posted on November 13, 2007 3:32 PM — 68.60.105.225 — link — abuse?
Time for a rant. I'm tired of the TV shows (Sports Center, FSN Game Day, etc.) keying in on their golden childs. Namely: How Kansas is going to run the tables and how the SEC is the dominant conference in the country.
Kansas is a fluke. There 30+ margin points came at the expense of 2nd & 3rd tier teams at home in the first four games of the season. In conference, outside of a +48 margin against Baylor? & +39 against Nebraska?, they beat Kansas State by 6, Colorado by 5, and Texas A&M by 8. But as they say: a win is a win.
In contrast, Mizzou beat then ranked Nebraska 41-6, beat Texas Tech (at the time the No.1 offense in the country) 41-10 and went in to Colorado and beat them 55-10. Give credit where credit is due.
Now for the SEC. Is it a conference of strength and parity? Or mediocrity where any one team can beat the other?
gatorhippy
posted on November 13, 2007 5:26 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
I'm calling it now...
Champs Sports Bowl...
December 18, 2007...
For the "All Time Coaching Wins" title of CFB...
Battle of the "State" old timers...
Florida State vs Pennsylvania State...
Bowden vs Paterno...
Bob vs Joe...
Winner takes All...
Retirement for the loser...
THE "Death" Match...
Buy your tickets now...
Zac said:
posted on November 13, 2007 6:00 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
There have been a lot of scenarios bantered about on this thread. With every scenario is a boat-load of "if's". When it comes down to it, there's nothing like the facts. Unfortunately, since the regular season isn't over, the facts in-of-themselves don't completely alleviate the "if's".
Bottom line, championships not withstanding: Of the 5 teams currently in consideration (LSU, KS, MO, OK, & OR), without question, LSU, OR, & MO in that order will have played the toughest competition. The following are each team's schedule's aggregate won-loss record, as of week 11, followed with how things may play out (Yes, there's lots of conjecture, not to mention "if's", involved.)
LSU: 68-55/79-64
OR: 66-53/78-65
MO: 68-59/75-68
OK: 60-65/68-75
KS: 51-70/59-81That having been said, IF LSU wins out, including the SEC Championship, AND IF KS wins out, including the Big 12 Championship, the NC game has to be KS/LSU. Too many coaches have said repeatedly how difficult it is to go undefeated during the regular season. To remain undefeated, KS will have had to defeat a 10-1 team and 11-1 team in consecutive weeks. Sorry, that's good enough for me.
Now, IF KS falls to MO or OK, AND LSU still wins out, including the SEC Championship, then, it has to be LSU/OR as each of these have played the toughest competition throughout the regular season.
Only IF KS falls and OR looses its 2nd, should MO or OK be considered. In that case, my vote is in favor of MO, IF they were to beat OK, as MO has the better record. Only IF MO beats KS in Lawrence, and OK beats MO a 2nd time, should OK be considered for the NC game.
Of course, this is all predicated upon the IF revolving around LSU winning out and winning the SEC Championship, not to mention OR winning out. Were GA or TN or whoever upset LSU, AND were OR to loose their 2nd, as K-Hue has already said, "… it will really be a twisted mess." I guess time will tell.
Pheew!!! That sure gave me a headache.
gatorhippy
posted on November 13, 2007 11:18 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse? said:
GA Boy (#14):
All I can say is, IF the Dawgs do end up in the Sugar Bowl; whether under your scenario or another...
Please. Please. PLEASE!!
Don't let them embarrass the SEC like they did the last time they went to the Sugar Bowl...
gatorstud said:
posted on November 14, 2007 8:30 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
SHA...#35 & 36.......yeah we have lost our share of sugar bowls...that is because we have been to more than two sugar bowls since 84...unlike your dawgs......
but if florida can't go...then georgia is my pick to get to atlanta....as long as it isn't tennessee....but i am picking lsu to win the sec champ. game.....just trying to keep that national title trophy in the sec...
go gators...and hokies
gatorhippy
posted on November 14, 2007 8:41 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse? said:
SHA (#35):
Well, yes, Florida did lose the Sugar Bowl to the Miami Hurricanes that year in 2001...
A team that was on track for a MNC the next season...
Meanwhile, UGA lost to a team in their last trip that; despite the hype; still hasn't been able to put together a complete season in WVU even with their all-galaxy backfield...
It was questionable whether UF had the better team heading in to the Miami matchup in 2001...
The Dawgs however were without a doubt a better team, came in with an air of superiority and subsequently got their heads beat in for much of the entire first half...
BTW - When was the last time Bama took a trip to NOLA?
It seems to have slipped my mind...
But I'm thinking it was possibly back when the Tide was relevant...
Like maybe 1993...
gatorhippy
posted on November 14, 2007 8:48 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse? said:
SHA (#39):
I would say its better to go and lose...
As simply being there is a mark of the accomplishment of your current season...
When was the last time Bama was there again?
Hell, the Tide has only represented the SEC in the BCS one time since its implementation...
How did that turn out, Sweetie?
gatorstud said:
posted on November 14, 2007 8:57 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
SHA....six one way...half dozen the other........i'll take the 96-97 win over florida state for the national title as my favorite sugar bowl...that one makes all the other sugar bowl losses easier to take.....
but here are the numbers:...in sugar bowls
team.....appearances.......won.......loss.......
georgia......8................3.........5....lost 16-2 in 69 & 27-3 in 77
florida......7................2..........5
pretty similar......
go gators...and hokies
Brushpile Bill said:
posted on November 14, 2007 9:05 AM — 70.138.228.38 — link — abuse?
Joe,
What Kevin is saying is that if Mizzou wins out they would likely join the long list of teams that have gotten screwed out of a shot at the MNC game. Do they deserve a shot if they beat two top 5 teams in successive weeks and have wins over 3 other teams who were ranked when they played them? Of course they do. Will it happen? Not likely unless someone else loses. The bigger travestiy would be beating kU, losing the B12 game to OU and then losing a BCS bid to a Texas team who has zero quality wins, looked bad against mediocre teams and lost to KSU at home. It ain't about who deserves it. But there's still way to many 'ifs' in all of this discussion to get bent out of shape about it right now.Foiled said:
posted on November 14, 2007 10:34 AM — 70.234.244.0 — link — abuse?
I'm a Sooner and I hate to say it but I really don't see OU beating Texas Tech. OU has not proven themselves as a good road team and it's not easy playing in Lubbock. We almost lost to Iowa State! I know high school teams that can beat them.
Lennie Collins
posted on November 14, 2007 10:45 AM — 67.67.197.165 — link — abuse? said:
Foiled (Comment #44) What high school teams can beat the Oklahoma Sooners? Oklahoma will beat Texas Tech because Texas Tech has NO RUNNING GAME. Texas Tech has no defense. Texas Tech WILL PASS for over 400 yards on Oklahoma and still lose!
posted on November 14, 2007 11:13 AM — link — abuse? said:
@Brushpile Bill - Exactly. Thanks for saying it better than I could.
@Foiled - When Texas Tech can play defense or special teams, you can talk about beating this OU squad. The Sooners are becoming one of the best teams in the country.
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on November 14, 2007 9:15 PM — 75.120.246.143 — link — abuse?
gatorboys have a lot of hate for BAMA. Like everyone else, you know what is coming.
What the hell happened to Florida this year, from the penthouse to the outhouse in one year? Since gatorhippy is such a hot damn swell writer maybe he should do a book on that.
GA Boy said:
posted on November 14, 2007 9:34 PM — 97.89.26.241 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy
We will not embarrass the SEC, but we will embarrass the Gators again next year. That picture of Urban Meyer and Tebow with their mouths hung open after our unsportsmanlike display in the Cocktail party was priceless.GO DAWGS!!
Ethan said:
posted on November 14, 2007 10:09 PM — 68.16.14.202 — link — abuse?
I was just thinking about how obnoxious the Florida fans are on here... I have some friends that are Florida fans, and they arn't that bad. Maybe it's because they live in DAWG country and they know they better keep their holes shut.
Gator said:
posted on November 14, 2007 10:16 PM — 24.170.194.91 — link — abuse?
whenever people drive through georgia they better tighten their belts and lock their car doors cuz u never know when those horny rednecks are gonna attack. Remember the movie deliverance?? Yep, that's dawg country...
Squeal like a piggy!!
gatorstud said:
posted on November 15, 2007 8:25 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
SHA......i believe he went to florida state...as many times as i have seen him in fsu gear and posing with bobby....
and everyone new it would take a miracle for florida to get back to the champ. game......they are a good team, but very young....they need to learn to finish close games...
and ethan #51.....it's funny you guys call florida fans obnoxious.....i have read on here, you guys (dawg fans) tearing us gator fans up after a single win over a team you have only beaten 3 times in 15 years...but we are not allowed to do any talking after a national title....but you guys win one game, and you keep running you mouths, and already you have us beat next year too?????
pulease......your jealousy of our program shines through in every one of your posts.....three titles in two years and we are just supposed to be quiet.....you guys are real tools....but, you guys win one game and can't keep quiet....tools......
go gators...and hokies
Ethan said:
posted on November 15, 2007 6:02 PM — 68.16.14.202 — link — abuse?
Hey I havn't taken anything away from your recent success in the series between us, or the fact that ya'll have won some titles...all I'm saying is the gator fans on here are alot different from the gator fans I actually know. Ya'll are extremely obnoxious on here. And the way the GA/FL game has been lopsided, we're going to turn that around the other way...We are just as young as ya'll are, and we have a guy named Knowshon Moreno. And have you heard about our redshirted RB Caleb King? He's supposed to be as good if not better than Knowshon.
Zac said:
posted on November 16, 2007 11:08 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Welp, half of one of my "if's" came to pass last night. Watta wacky season it's been, and there's still more to come.
Another half of an "if" will be settled tomorrow, when KS hosts MO. That's about as tough a call as any have been all year long. While I'd like to see KS win it, IF MO wins in Lawrence, I'd have to vault the Tigers over the Sooners in the rankings.
"Why?" you ask. "After all, OK did beat MO earlier this year." you say. True, however, that was a home game for OK, a place where the Sooners tend to thrive. OK couldn't win in Boulder this season. Not only did they loose there, they lost to a team unranked at the time, a team that hasn't done all that well since. MO not only won in Boulder, they won BIG TIME!!!
Now, consider this. What difference does it make if MO beats KS and leap-frogs over OK or stays at #3 behind them? The Tigers will still have to beat the Sooners for the Big 12 Championship, IF they wanna move on to the National Championship. Sometimes playing the underdog has a hell-of-a-lot more incentive for a team to win than by playing the favorite. Just a thought.
OU-Ron
said:
posted on November 12, 2007 1:43 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse?Too many if's in that for me----But I vote for his best guess..
GO SOONERS